Re: [Talk-us] Addressing Question

[Steven Johnson]

No, you're not too late...

I've been looking at addressing issues lately as well. Most of the
addressing resources I've found are on the relations page of the wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations#Addressing

The most important consideration here is that you are dealing with address
*ranges* that are related to linear street segments, not address *point*
which are related to individual parcels and/or buildings. This will affect
how you tag them in OSM. I haven't worked through the logic yet, but I think
the way forward is in some kind of a composite tag, because you have to
associate the way with the right/left polarity, the from/to range.

SEJ

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 20:13, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 I'm looking at some donated street centerline data that has addressing data
 in the form of Right/Left From Addr and Right/Left To Addr on each
 street centerline. Is there an accepted way of applying these tags to the
 road ways? It doesn't really make very much sense to create and store a
 separate way just for the addressing information.

 ...but I might have arrived too late in the argument to say that :-)...

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Re: [Talk-us] Thanks for a great call

[Steven Johnson]

Very good. I know several folks who have an immediate need for something
like this and I'm going to pass it on to them.

Nice work, Detectist!

SEJ

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On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:39, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Nakor nakor...@gmail.com wrote:
  Speaking of the after call, is there some place (wiki maybe) where the US
  SOTM effort is documented?

 Also on the after-call, there was a questions about one-page documents
 for beginners.  This arrived in my email this morning.

 OSM for Dummies
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Detectist

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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Zipcode Import

[Steven Johnson]

The USPS treats ZIP codes as an extension of address data and as such, they
should be treated as point data, since they are an attribute of the address
associated with a building or a property parcel. The problem with creating
polygons out of these points is that the ZIP codes don't cleave neatly along
natural geographic boundaries (e.g. roads, hydrographic features, etc.).
This doesn't prevent map publishers from aggregating them into polygons,
however published maps of ZIP polygons should be considered rough
approximations, rather than officially recognized ZIP code polygons.

I think it's best to keep the ZIP as part of the address tags rather than
try to shoehorn ZIPs into polygons which would be inaccurate and subject to
frequent change.

SEJ

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On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 16:00, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:

 On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.orgwrote:

 Still, the post codes are *commonly* used as a shortcut geo reference; it
 is a very popular way of doing e.g. a store finder on a web site - enter
 your post code and we'll show you the nearest store. Because of this, there
 is high demand for post codes to be available in OSM and I am certain that
 we will eventually either map or import them.


 I have responded to that, though.  A single point in the approximate center
 of the general area where a zip code is used is fine.  I don't think OSM is
 really the best place to store those (slightly less than) 9 points,
 because it so easily stands alone and isn't something that lends itself to
 public editing (you just import a database every so often, it's not really
 something individual OSMers can survey).  But I'll get over that - if you
 really get a kick out of importing 99,999 or so zip code centroids, fine.
 In fact, I can probably find a CSV file where the centroids have already
 been calculated for this.  It's quite a common application.  (You'll
 basically be converting someone's table of zip codes to lat/lon pairs into
 OSM nodes, so geocoders can then take those OSM nodes and convert them back
 to a table of zip codes to lat/lon pairs.  But, whatever, have a ball.)

 If you want to do more than that, as Katie said, It would be appropriate
 to attach zip code as attributes to addresses.

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Re: [Talk-us] openstreetmap.us

[Steven Johnson]

Sure, I'd be interested in what kind of hosting arrangements you're able to
line up. You can either reply directly or to the list.
SEJ

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On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 09:39, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:36 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:

 Hi

 I own openstreetmap.us

 There are other community sites like openstreetmap.nl and
 openstreetmap.de

 If anyone wants to set up something similar, just tell me the IP address
 of your box and I will point the domain at it.


 Just so the rest of the community knows, I'm working on lining up hosting
 for openstreetmap.us based on donated servers (from WIkimedia) and donated
 rack space.

 It's slow going, so I haven't really been detailing it to the list. If
 anyone is interested in knowing what's going on, I'd be happy to post more
 details here.


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Re: [Talk-us] US Chapter temporary Board Nomination

[Steven Johnson]

Alright then, I'm throwing my hat into the ring...

I accept the nomination to run for the temporary board of the U.S. Chapter
of OSM.

I have been active in the Washington OSM community since late 2008. I have
both helped organize and participate mapping parties in the Washington, DC
area, contributed to the local OSM-based MappingDC effort (with particular
attention to the Arlington County side of the metropolis). My particular
interest is on capturing hyperlocal features that may be useful at a
neighborhood or community level but aren't captured elsewhere. I believe OSM
is unparalleled as a platform for enabling citizens at every level of
ability to collect and use that data. Because of that interest, I have been
an active contributor to the conference calls to organize the US Chapter.

As a board member, I would act to stand up an OSM chapter that reflects the
unique needs of the US and remains faithful to the vision of OpenStreetMap.
I expect to launch an organization that will engage in community building,
outreach to government agencies, grass roots organizations, and inspired
individuals with a passion for creating usable public geographic
information.

Thanks for your consideration,

SEJ

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Re: [Talk-us] osm sign in los angeles

[Steven Johnson]

I'll bet it could be re-used at the OSM booth at the Where2.0 conference,
no?

SEJ

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 22:10, Blars Blarson 
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 After SCALE, I wound up with the OSM sign.  About 2 feet wide and 5
 feet high when deployed, retracts into its stand.  I fixed the zipper
 on its bag.  Does anyone want it for use at OSM events?

 --
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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Steven Johnson]

I like the way Jim has broken out the components of US OSM pages. Some of
these are probably better as wiki pages, others as more static pages. But
having it in 'bite sized chunks' makes it easier to divide the work and
manage the tasks.

SEJ

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On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 17:43, Jim McAndrew j...@loc8.us wrote:


 On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Jim McAndrew j...@loc8.us wrote:


 What are the goals for the openstreetmap.us web page?


 That's a good question that we should probably all discuss.

 My opinion is that it should be a one-stop-shop for growing the US OSM
 community. Not entirely sure what that entails, but I imagine it starts
 with:
 - a calendar
 - pages for specific communities both new and established (the DC and Bay
 Area folks come to mind)
 - resources for getting involved (for someone that maybe doesn't want to
 commit to a mapping party yet but still wants to be involved?)
 - ...I ran out of ideas

 Any others?

 I like the ideas that Richard Weait has of integrating it with more social
 networking tools.  I'm not entirely sure how that would be done without
 being too obtrusive.

 People coming to the openstreetmap.us website are going to be interested
 in:

- Events
   - Mapping parties
   - Meetups
   - Talks
- How people can help
   - Holding Mapping Parties
   - Doing Personal Mapping
   - Ideas
- Funding OpenStreetMap.us
   - at least it should be easy for them to do so
- Learning more about the organization
- How to get a hold of people
- Equipment needed to map
   - walking papers
   - GPSes

 There's really a lot that can go into it.  The wiki format would make it
 easy for the community to add these things as people wish to see them, but
 isn't as attractive to people that aren't used to technical webpages.

 -
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Re: [Talk-us] Can US OSM help with license upgrade? (was: Re: License Upgrade - Stage Two Begins)

[Steven Johnson]

Virtually all geospatial data obtained from government agencies in the US,
-local, state, or Federal is subject to either Federal or state public
records law, and therefore in the public domain. (Note however that some
states have stronger public records law than others). Of course, there are
exceptions for super secret security-related data sets, but generally
speaking virtually all geodata (e.g. TIGER, NHD, NAAP, USGS, local parcels 
real property info, survey monumentation, etc.) is in the public domain.
(Some agencies, particularly local governments, charge a fee for the data,
but this is almost always to recoup the costs of reproduction, packaging,
distribution, and so forth.)

Since the data are in the public domain, no explicit permission is needed to
use and improve these data sets, perhaps US OSM board resources could be put
to other licensing-related issues, such as how to funnel improvements made
by OSM mappers back to government agencies.

shameless plugIf you're interested in exploring these issues, please
attend the panel discussion on government agencies  OSM at this weekend's
US State of the Map conference. I'll be moderating the discussion and
welcome any and all participants./shameless plug

SEJ

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On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:58, Al Haraka alhar...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
  On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 10:23 -0400, Nakor wrote:
  My only issue is the first paragraph of the Contributor Terms. I do not
  have **explicit** permission from the various US government entities and
  do not feel comfortable accepting those terms.
 
  One of the mission of the US OSM could be to get explicit permission
  from those federal/state/local government entities that we derived data
  from.
 
  Or get a lawyer to tell you whether or not the license terms under which
  the various entities provided the data impact the relicensing.

 Is it particularly clear that OSMF, if I correctly understand it to be
 the umbrella organization, actually has their own attorneys?  I am
 under the impression they volunteer in a very limited basis, and it in
 unclear if they see themselves as OSM counsel, and not just working on
 the ODBL (I imagine the latter).  These are things that need clearing
 up, and will dictate what kind of resources we have and what we would
 need in the future.

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Re: [Talk-us] National Wetlands Inventory

[Steven Johnson]

I'm not an expert on either of these data sets, but I know enough to say
that USGS sponsored the development of the NHD, largely to replace the old
digital line graph (DLG) products. NHD serves as a multi-purpose inventory
of surface waters, grouped by watershed. OTOH, FWS sponsored development of
Natl Wetlands Inventory, largely as a basis for habitat suitability. The
data may overlap, but they serve two different purposes/missions.

SEJ

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On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:12, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wonder if our friends at the USGS know about this data. If they do, there
 must be a good reason why they aren't using it for NHD, since I was under
 the impression that NHD was the authoritative dataset for waterways in the
 US.


 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote:

 I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with the National Wetlands
 Inventory: http://www.fws.gov/wetlands/
 At first glance it looks like better-quality data than the NHD for
 both wetlands and water.


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Re: [Talk-us] Address Standard

[Steven Johnson]

Well, hang on a tic... I don't know if you can really say, ...no one will
manually enter in all those parts, especially since the distinction would be
meaningless to most people. Just like breaking out the prefix, I think
breaking out the address into a finer granularity makes the address more
useful all around. And I think there's plenty of latent demand for improving
address data in OSM.

I whole-heartedly agree with you though that a large part of the address
standard is beyond most OSM needs. So what parts of the standard can we take
and which can we ignore (for now)? Some months ago I did a quick cross-walk
of the address standard and the Karlsruhe schema. I'll try to dig it out and
update it.

SEJ

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On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 15:57, Kevin Atkinson ke...@atkinson.dhs.orgwrote:

 On Wed, 11 Aug 2010, Lord-Castillo, Brett wrote:

  I just want to point out that the federal address standard has passed
 through the public comment period and is now in committee review. It is
 expected to become a federal regulation in early 2011.

 http://www.urisa.org/about/initiatives/addressstandard

 ...


 The standard is presented as a tag based model expressed in xml. It
 would probably be a serious mistake to ignore it. It actually directly
 addresses (in address data content) all of the issues that are getting
 hashed over here, and quite a few that have not been brought up yet (like
 dual and quad number addresses).


 I looked it over.  If you really wanted to break out every last possible
 part of a street name it would be a good guideline to follow.  The problem
 is no one will manually enter in all those parts, especially since the
 distinction would be meaningless to most people.

 My main goal was to separate out the directional prefix because, which
 while important for mailing, did not really belong as part of the street
 name.  I thought I would take care of the suffix as well.

 However, since I now see that there are other, non-directional, prefix and
 suffixes. I might simplify my proposal to simply include any prefix and
 suffixes not included with the displayed street name.  I am also considering
 dropping the included provision until such time that all components are
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Re: [Talk-us] Address Standard

[Steven Johnson]

If you want to see the mother of all street naming trainwrecks, have a look
at Hickory, NC. Story goes that sometime back in the '30's, the city
fathers/mothers thought they would rationalize street naming. But what makes
sense on gridded streets makes an *awful* mnemonic device for wayfinding,
especially in the hilly, western piedmont of NC. You also have some really
perverse examples of streetnaming, like 19th Ave Pl NW.

Rather than look to paper maps and Google for how they map it, it may be
more useful to look at how local E911 services and USPS treat these
addresses. There are times when a street type (e.g. Ave, St, Ln, Pl) is part
of the name (e.g. 19th Ave Pl NW, where Ave is part of the street name)
and times when the directional prefix/suffix (e.g. N, S, E W) are part of
the street name (e.g. North Temple). I think only local knowledge is the
way to resolve these issues.

SEJ

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On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 16:55, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:

  On 8/13/10 1:27 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:


 Maybe Oregon's just weird, but that *IS* the way our streets are.  NW
 is a fundamental part of the street name.

 ditto for St Pete Florida, without the N/S/NE/SE directionals, you're lost.
 they're pretty fundamental. the avenues number north and south from
 Central Avenue:


 5th Avenue N
 4th Avenue N
 3rd Avenue N
 2nd Avenue N
 1st Avenue N
 Central Avenue
 1st Avenue S
 2nd Avenue S
 3rd Avenue S
 4th Avenue S
 5th Avenue S

 the N and S labeled versions  are completely different, parallel
 streets.if you suppress the directionals, you are losing critical
 information.

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Re: [Talk-us] sotm.us 2010 video uploads begin

[Steven Johnson]

Been on vacation and (mostly) unplugged the last ten days. What a treat to
return to the SOTMUS conference videos. Thanks for all your hard work, Dave.
SEJ

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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:20, David Carmean d...@halibut.com wrote:


 This is taking more processing power and wallclock time than I'd
 expected, but I'm beginning the editing/encoding/uploading of the
 2010 SotM.US videos, to:

http://vimeo.com/channels/128913

 The small test video gives an idea of the technical challenges
 faced :)   Clearly there are some things we can do better next
 time to improve the physical space for video recording.

 The collective size of all the videos may exceed my 5GB weekly Vimeo Plus
 quota, so expect to wait up to two weeks for all ten videos to appear.


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Re: [Talk-us] Venues for State of the Map US and International Conferences (Peter Batty)

[Steven Johnson]

Here's the wiki page for the Denver bid to host SotMUS. Much of the material
can probably be re-purposed for a SotM2011 bid.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM/BIDS/Denver

SEJ

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On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 22:34, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm digging this idea... is there anyone that would be interested in
 starting a bid document or page on the wiki for Boulder or Denver? Not that
 we have to officially submit it but it would be helpful to at least get
 these ideas down on paper somewhere.


 On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Hurricane Coast 
 hurric...@hurricanemcewen.com wrote:


 +1 on Denver location and FOSS4G timing




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4. Re: Venues for State of the Map US and International
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[Talk-us] upcoming Triangle NC mapping party

[Steven Johnson]

Hello list,

Just want to make everyone aware of an upcoming two-day mapping party in
Raleigh/Cary/Research Triangle (NC) next weekend (2 - 3 October). If you're
in the area, please bring your GPS (or Walking Papers) and come out!

 *Where are we going to be mapping? *There will be 2 main areas:
Saturday: Downtown Raleigh and close-in neighborhoods (NCSU, Meredith
College, Cameron Village, etc.)
Sunday: Research Triangle/Cary, including American Tobacco Trail
*
Meetup:*
Saturday: 11 AM at DH Hill Library on the NCSU campus (
http://osm.org/go/ZYRUudNUJ--) (Parking info:
http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/directions/dhhill/)

Sunday: 11 AM at Triangle J Council of Governments, 4307 Emperor Blvd,
Durham, NC 27703 (http://osm.org/go/ZS_oux0l)

We'll map in the field for a couple hours, return to the meetup locations
for upload and import, then adjourn in the late afternoon to a nearby
watering hole/restaurant.

*Do I have to attend on both Saturday and Sunday? *No, only do as much as
you would like.

*Where do I sign up? *Here:* **http://trianglemapping.eventbrite.com** *After
you sign up, EventBrite service will send you a ticket for the event that
you can safely ignore. We just want to get a head count.

Please contact me off list if you need more information. Thanks,
SEJ

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Re: [Talk-us] US highway tagging (was: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap)

[Steven Johnson]

Hi Brad  list,
Well, you mentioned working groups. Have you considered standing up a
US-based Tagging working group? Perhaps the WG could take on highway
tagging as a first project.
Here's where to go to get started:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States#US_Chapter_Activities
Best regards,
SEJ

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On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:00, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.comwrote:

 OK, a metaphorical gauntlet has been thrown down, and Richard makes great
 points.  That said, is there any chance the US community can find some
 agreement about highway tagging?  And once we do, we can broker the
 Israel-Palestine peace talks. :)

 But seriously, it seems like we need some sort of structured process for a
 group to look at the options, find compromises, make a decision, and then
 have a uniform scheme for US roads across the wiki (and hopefully the data
 will follow...).  What has happened up to now with wiki proposals on
 different pages and email discussions hasn't resolved the issue for whatever
 reason.  Maybe the OSMF-US (or a working group, or some organizationally
 smart person on this list) could come up with a process and timeline as a
 way to focus the conversation and move to a resolution?

 My $.02, Brad

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net
 Date: Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 3:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap
 To: Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com
 Cc: t...@openstreetmap.org


 Kate Chapman wrote:

 Point 1: I'm not denying that the data in the U.S. is messed up.  On
 the other hand I can't count the number of times people say things
 that I summarize to 'God, why are you Americans too stupid, lazy or
 import crazy to map your own country?  It really makes people want to
 continue mapping with the project.


 Understood absolutely.

 But put that out of your mind. No matter how I or anyone else phrase it, no
 matter whether it's accompanied by a helpful smile or a superior sneer, you
 do genuinely need to sort this shit out anyway. You do need to make sure
 that your data is as consistently attributed as Google's (or OSM's UK data),
 because otherwise people, like Mr 41latitude, will compare the two to your
 detriment.

 And you need to do that for yourselves. With the awareness of being part of
 an international project, sure, but it needs to come from US mappers. I
 mean, I personally dislike the overuse of relations to model absolutely
 everything, but you should take no bloody notice of me whatsoever and use
 route relations for your roads if you think it works well and will be
 reasonably in keeping with the rest of OSM.

 So if, say, you think you need eight levels of importance within your
 highway network, yet OSM only has seven (motorway, trunk, primary,
 secondary, tertiary, unclassified, residential), screw it. Invent another
 one. Quaternary or minor or something. The Germans have done that
 (motorroad=yes) and no-one has died as a result.



  Yes it appears when people compare OSM to Google/Bing/etc they seem to
  start in the U.S.

 Funnily enough only US people do that. :) Personally I'm more used to UK
 cyclists comparing OSM and Google. Google has no cycle paths or routes. The
 cyclists love OSM!

 I think, actually, you have an advantage in that the US community is quite
 small: it's easier to get agreement. Whereas over here, where the community
 is big and fractious, it takes forever to get anything done. You're still
 young. Use the advantage while you can.

 cheers
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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Importing Virginia road centerlines

[Steven Johnson]

Josh,
I like Katie's idea of breaking the data up into manageable chunks
(counties?) and importing in incrementally. I'd be interested in helping
with a few chunks. I'm in Arlington, too. Perhaps we'll meet at a DC area
event?
SEJ

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On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 17:13, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:

 Hi Josh,

 I've done a couple imports with varying levels of success.  I live in
 Virginia (in Arlington) and would like to help.

 -Kate

 On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote:
  I absolutely agree about preserving user contributions. For any given
  segment in the Virginia RCL Shapefile, there are any number of ways in
  OSM that make up that segment, with varying attributes. The reverse is
  possible as well. Merging this won't be easy by any means. However
  there's no reason we couldn't start importing (sooner) in areas that
  haven't been edited since the TIGER import
 
  As for RoadMatcher, though I haven't played with it yet, I don't see
  how OSM attributes are lost, it's just that you have to map from
  OSM-Shapefile-OSM.
 
  Remember, I'm just broadcasting my interest, I have a lot of learning to
 do.
 
  Regards,
  -Josh
 
  On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:
  I'm totally new to importing, so I first wanted to see if anyone else
  is interested in this project, though I am willing to take the time to
  learn the process myself. Is the process used for importing the
  Canadian database [1] the best method for doing this?
 
   The process for the Canadian database is best used only for adding new
  roads that don't exist in the OSM database.  As part of the upload
 process,
  plan on stitching them into existing roads, perhaps using JOSM.
 
   It would also be handy to be able to project the improved geometry onto
  existing roads of the same name, while preserving attributes and
 driveway /
  footpath / bridges that have already been added to the OSM data.That
  will preserve user's contributions and history.  This would require some
  new, yet-to-be developed tool to work directly with OSM data.  There is
 much
  interest in this because of the TIGER 2010 data and Arkansas state data
  sets.   It is not certain when there will be developer resources to
 develop
  such a tool.
 
   The limitation of Roadmatcher is that it works only with shapefiles,
 thus
  OSM attributes are lost when exporting to shapefiles.
 
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Re: [Talk-us] USPS Address Database

[Steven Johnson]

In the US, addresses are typically assigned by local (sometimes state)
governments and NOT by the USPS. The USPS is agnostic with respect to the
actual house number, as long as it is correctly encoded in their Delivery
Sequence Files (the DSF, which tells the postal worker where the delivery
point is). To my knowledge the DSF is not available as a public domain data
set; back in the '90's, the US Census Bureau had to get Congressional
permission to use it for creating the Master Address File (MAF).

Also, in most municipal street numbering and addressing schemes it is quite
common to assign addresses that increment by 4 (200, 204, 208, and so on).
In some areas,-particularly rural/exurban areas, addresses are assigned
based on the distance between the previous address so that you could
conceivably have house numbers 200, and 998 on the same 'block' (between
road intersections).

Hope this helps,
--SEJ

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On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 15:53, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
  On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Brian Wilson br...@wildsong.biz wrote:
  You'd be better off trying to get tax assessor data on a county by
  county basis and then create centroids from the parcels.
 
  I've tried that, and it works great for individual residences.  But
  it's useless for apartments and businesses, because there's only one
  address per parcel.
 

 On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
  My understanding is that
  the USPS maintains an extraordinarily up-to-date list of unique valid
  addresses.
 
  A copy of it would be extremely useful.

 Point being, with the USPS valid address database, when one parcel
 has an address of 740 Evergreen Terrace, and the parcel next to it has
 an address of 746 Evergreen Terrace, you'd know whether that means
 that one of the parcels has multiple addresses, or just that for some
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Re: [Talk-us] Civil War sites

[Steven Johnson]

I would definitely be interested. We had a mapping party at Manassas
Battlefield last June, but there are so many other battlefields within an
easy drive of WashDC that need greater visibility on the map. And now that
the weather is moderating, it would be a great time to do some historical
mapping.

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On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 05:00, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:

 Hi

 Anyone interested in mapping civil war sites, maybe with a mapping party? I
 mention because the anniversaries are all coming up.

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Re: [Talk-us] Civil War sites

[Steven Johnson]

FWIW, when we mapped at Manassas, we mapped what's on the ground now. Not to
say there couldn't be other approaches, but we didn't really have a plan in
hand to do historical mapping.

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On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 16:40, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:

  definitely. i've done some mapping of the Antietam Battlefield Park,
 and would love to do more.

 how do you (SteveC) envision this? there are numerous things that can be
 mapped, but some would seem pretty unreasonable to attempt in OSM
 as it is now (e.g., showing all the unit locations during the day at
 Antietam
 as they appear on the 1908 Cope maps).



 On 3/8/11 3:39 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:

 I would definitely be interested. We had a mapping party at Manassas
 Battlefield last June, but there are so many other battlefields within an
 easy drive of WashDC that need greater visibility on the map. And now that
 the weather is moderating, it would be a great time to do some historical
 mapping.

 On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 05:00, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:

 Hi

 Anyone interested in mapping civil war sites, maybe with a mapping party?
 I mention because the anniversaries are all coming up.



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Re: [Talk-us] Civil War sites

[Steven Johnson]

So, Steve - when you made your initial query, did you have something in
mind?

There are scads of sites scattered throughout the Mid-Atlantic area and, as
you can see, a number of us with both interest and experience with mapping
historical sites. If we can bring our resources to bear (I'm thinking
MappingDC...) I think it could be a really awesome project.

Cheers,

-- SEJ

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of jokes. -- Ludwig Wittgenstein



On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 17:09, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:

  historical mapping can be hard. i have the resources to do a bunch of it
 for
 the Civil War, but the tagging system doesn't support a lot of the data and
 it would just make a mess  of the map, i think, right now.

 but there are cases where we could tag historic road names where they
 differ
 in a significant way from current names without too much trouble. this
 wouldn't
 add clutter.


 On 3/8/11 5:05 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:

 FWIW, when we mapped at Manassas, we mapped what's on the ground now. Not
 to say there couldn't be other approaches, but we didn't really have a plan
 in hand to do historical mapping.

 -- SEJ
 t: @geomantic
 s: sejohnson8
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 of jokes. -- Ludwig Wittgenstein



 On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 16:40, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote:

  definitely. i've done some mapping of the Antietam Battlefield Park,
 and would love to do more.

 how do you (SteveC) envision this? there are numerous things that can be
 mapped, but some would seem pretty unreasonable to attempt in OSM
 as it is now (e.g., showing all the unit locations during the day at
 Antietam
 as they appear on the 1908 Cope maps).



 On 3/8/11 3:39 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:

 I would definitely be interested. We had a mapping party at Manassas
 Battlefield last June, but there are so many other battlefields within an
 easy drive of WashDC that need greater visibility on the map. And now that
 the weather is moderating, it would be a great time to do some historical
 mapping.

  On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 05:00, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:

 Hi

 Anyone interested in mapping civil war sites, maybe with a mapping party?
 I mention because the anniversaries are all coming up.



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Re: [Talk-us] Screw-up of borders

[Steven Johnson]

+1

Please discuss errors with users off-list first. There may be occasions for
publicly shaming someone, (e.g. deliberate vandalism) but honest mistakes do
not meet this threshold.

Thanks,

-- SEJ

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On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 14:03, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:

  On 3/25/11 1:53 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote:

 Also, before you post publicly that someone in OSM has screwed
 up, I think that, at the least, you should discuss the situation with that
 person off-list. Using terms, such as screwed up, is not helpful to our
 mutual effort of creating an open-source map of the world. I'm sure we all
 are trying to do our best and welcome feedback about mistakes, if it is
 given in a helpful and positive manner. I hope you will keep that in mind
 for the future.

 i'd like to bring this point out: in general, try to contact people off
 list before calling them out on a public list like talk-us

 things may not be what you think they are, or the situation may have a
 quiet, reasonable resolution that's easy to see and
 reach once you talk.

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Re: [Talk-us] Civil War sites

[Steven Johnson]

I, too, have been thinking that a core+layers approach would be useful in a
number of contexts, primarily conflation between different
databases/datasets. But the same qualities that make it useful for
historical (i.e. Civil War battlefield mapping) might also be useful for
mapping of ephemeral events such as Burning Man (
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.76684lon=-119.22824zoom=15layers=B000FTF
)

-- SEJ

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of jokes. -- Ludwig Wittgenstein



On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:36, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:

 I like this core+layers idea.  It would make it easier to render a series
 of overlays, for cases where one wanted to show changes over time.

 ---Original Email---
 Subject :Re: [Talk-us] Civil War sites
 From  :mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net
 Date  :Mon Mar 28 09:29:59 America/Chicago 2011


 On 3/28/11 10:21 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
  On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net
  wrote:
  i'm debating whether or not i want to set up a parallel database, using
  the OSM design, to contain historical data that can be used in a mashup
  with OSM, and opening it up for historically minded mappers to use as
  a laboratory for experiments in how one would tag this stuff.
  Actually, what might be really interesting is having a wikispaces type
  hosting environment where anyone could set up a separate OSM instance
  with a separate database, rails port, mapnik rendering with a custom
  stylesheet etc.
 
 i was thinking this could also be a model for how to do things like
 a separate boundary database, etc. i've long thought that some of the
 issues we argue about would be made much simpler if we had a
 core + layers model.
  This would be interesting to map historic data that's not appropriate
  for the main OSM database (for example, one OSM-space per
  battlefield), or to experiment with nonstandard tagging, or to create
  maps with non-OSM compatible licenses (although I would discourage the
  latter).
 
 we should try one or two of these to get a better sense of what a
 common solution ought to look like.

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Re: [Talk-us] Ideas for OSMF US Swag

[Steven Johnson]

I'd be glad to help out with pamphlets. And yes, we'll want to make tweaks
to localize the document for a US audience. I'd be happy to take a crack at
that.

Jim, perhaps we should consider eventually posting softcopy with GeoBus
materials?

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On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 14:54, Thea Aldrich theaglit...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have room at my house and plenty of experience mailing OSM swag out to
 people. I guess I should have been more clear. I totally would not have
 suggested we get swag and mail it to people if I wasn't willing to do the
 bulk of the heavy lifting. Though I do think it would be nice if we had a
 few volunteers from around the country shipping regionally. But we'll handle
 that farther down the road. Right now I just want to focus on picking
 awesome swag that people think will help mappers grow their local
 communities.

 Also, just to be clear, OSM-US can only afford to mail swag to people in
 the US. International postage rates end up making the cost of shipping more
 than the stuff we are sending.

 My two cents about the flyers. I really like the one produced by GeoFabrik.
 However, it might be nice to make a few tweeks to that model so its more US
 centric and plays better in this market. But thats just me...

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Re: [Talk-us] Who is mapping on the ground in US?

[Steven Johnson]

We're overdue to host a mapping party in the DC area. We'll organize one at
a meetup to be held sometime in the next two weeks (likely coinciding with
WhereCampDC, 10-11 June). So look for an event in WashDC before end of
June...

I helped organize and conduct a very successful mapping party at North
Carolina State University back in Feb. (Blogged here:
http://www.openstreetmap.us/2011/03/openstreetmap-goes-to-school-ncsu-mapping-party/)
but the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill area still lacks an organized focus for
OSM activities (which I find astonishing).

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On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 13:43, Jim McAndrew j...@loc8.us wrote:

 I've been to a successful mapping party in NYC, which was run by
 CloudMade.  The meetup.com group still exists, and someone is funding it.
 I don't know anyone specific who is still working with it though.

 I believe Lancaster, PA is still trying to have monthly meetups as well.

 --
 Jim McAndrew


 On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote:

 On 6/2/11 1:19 PM, Steve Coast wrote:



 Well.. it's chicken and egg. There wasn't anyone interested in the UK
 when I ran the first mapping parties there either.

 If you set up a group on meetup.com you'd be surprised how many people
 join and start to get interested once you have a group meeting monthly.

 We should really be aiming for one meetup per state. I think we have MA,
 WA, CA, CO now all have monthly meetups. How does NY, TX and the captiol
 look?

  i'm trying to get a group going in the Capitol District of NY; i think
 that NYC needs its own group, but i don't know of anything going
 on down there.

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Re: [Talk-us] Mapping party best practices

[Steven Johnson]

Two critical elements of a successful mapping party are the people and
publicity.

WRT publicity, I have learned (the hard way) that publicity materials need
to convey enough information to get people curious enough to show up. Also
you need to disperse publicity through as many channels as you can. If you
can target organized groups (e.g. boy/girl scouts, 4H, bicycling clubs,
sports clubs, etc.) you have a better shot at getting good participation.

And speaking of civic/youth organizations, in terms of people these groups
are more likely to show up and take enthusiasm in the project, partly
because they are naturally curious students, but also because they have
community service requirements easily filled by OSM contrbutions. I also
think retirees may be good candidates, though I haven't personally reached
out to those groups. (Sadly, my experience with my fellow GIS professionals
is that initially they show a great deal of curiosity about OSM, but they
tend to be less committed than amateurs and more dismissive of OSM on
accuracy grounds.)

I'll also second Jim's suggestion of the Mapping Weekend How To.  Good luck!

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On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 22:07, Jim McAndrew j...@loc8.us wrote:

 Hi,

 We're been trying to come up with ways to help people run mapping parties,
 and have come up with a very basic outline.
 You may find the best resource to be here:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_Weekend_Howto

 As far as focusing on people, we've have good response from GIS groups, and
 universities.
 If you can find a local Geography department, you can send them a flyer
 about the party.
 Community colleges tend to be a good source too, and a lot of places have
 GIS classes.

 The real hard part is to get the word out, and to the right people, but
 there are a few places you can start.

 --
 Jim McAndrew

 On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Hi,

 As I am preparing my first mapping party here in Salt Lake, I am
 wondering what works and what doesn't. I'm used to organizing events
 in The Netherlands, but geographical and cultural differences may
 require a different approach in the US so I'd like to poke your
 brains: are there formats that work particularly well or not at all?
 Particular types of venues to gather, interest groups to target, types
 of mapping to do... Any input welcome.


 I had a decent response when I sought out GIS user groups and university
 folks. They seemed to be most interested in what OSM is and how to change
 it. They were also the quickest to disappear once they heard what OSM is
 (back then it was you can't use ESRI? oh...), but a few stuck and helped
 find other groups to work with.

 As far as location, I looked for places with fast wifi and decent places
 to sit down. Zoos, libraries, outdoor mall/commercial districts, etc. are
 all good places to start.

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[Talk-us] Announcement: Address Improvement project

[Steven Johnson]

Hi all,

I'd like to announce a broad-based project to improve addresses in OSM. The
project page is here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address_Improvement

The purpose of this project is to improve the tagging and better reflect
local addressing practice, particularly in areas where the Karlsruhe schema
does not fit local practice. This includes Japan and United States, but
likely other regions as well. We've made attempts to consolidate a number of
addressing discussions and proposals from around the OSM wiki.

I'd like to invite anyone with an interest in addresses and addressing to
lend their talents to the project. Please add to the discussion.

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Re: [Talk-us] Announcement: Address Improvement project

[Steven Johnson]

Serge,
I don't have canned solutions, but I do think there needs to be greater
specificity and flexibility in address tagging. The page links to a
relatively new national (US) address standard and how we can adopt a
lightweight profile of the standard to gain that flexibility and
specificity.

HTH,

-- SEJ
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Einstein



On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 21:08, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I'd like to announce a broad-based project to improve addresses in OSM.
 The
  project page is here:
  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address_Improvement

 Can you summarize the project?

 All the Wiki page says right now is there's a problem.

 What is your proposed solution?

 - Serge

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Re: [Talk-us] US local chapter board election results

[Steven Johnson]

Would next Thu (20 Oct) work for an annual meeting/presentation from the
outgoing board? That would at least give us a chance to prepare (i.e. gather
our wits).

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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 19:22, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:

 On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote:
  Hey, cool!
 
  Thanks everyone. I'm excited to get started with Martijn, Randy, Jim,
 and Richard.
 
  According to the wiki page there is a monthly chapter meeting tomorrow,
 but the most recent one was six months ago. I'll dial the number tomorrow
 and see what happens. =)

 Perhaps the outgoing board can help you to put together an agenda,
 here on the list?  I'm sure they'll have some thoughts on a smooth
 transition as well.

 Also #osm-us is a low traffic irc channel that might work for you.
 #osm-us is on irc.oftc.net, and available from the browser at
 http://irc.openstreetmap.org/


 The outgoing board still owes the community an annual meeting and when we
 pulled together the dates for the election we thought the meeting could be
 online (maybe a fancy Google+ hangout? a conference call? IRC?) sometime
 next week. The agenda Thea suggested was:

 Topics at AGM: (preliminary)
 - Overall Report: Kate
 - Treasurer Report: Thea - will include swag and non hardware assets
 description
 - Membership Report: Richard and Steven
 - Hardware Report: Ian
 - New board member introductions
 - Other business dictated in bylaws

 I'm not saying we shouldn't meet tomorrow, but we might want to give more
 time for the rest of the members to get a chance to participate.

 -Ian

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Re: [Talk-us] One of the strangest TIGER screwups I've seen

[Steven Johnson]

 In my experience, railway data in TIGER is much less likely to be up
 to date than road data, presumably because census workers need to visit
 people that live along roads, but railways are just convenient reference
 points.  There are railroad rights-of-way in Maryland that were
 abandoned in the 1970s, complete with pulling up the rails, but were
 still listed as active in TIGER.



The problem is compounded by the fact that railway companies treat their
data as proprietary. Census frequently has to resort to secondary sources
for accurate and up-to-date rail data. Sometimes they rely on Dept of
Transportation for this data, but there is often a lag and differing views
depending on mission as to what constitutes 'active', 'abandoned',
'ownership', etc.

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Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

[Steven Johnson]

Doubt very seriously a FOIA request would work. Since the data are subject to 
Title XIII restrictions, it will likely take an act of Congress to make them 
available. 

Sent via telepathy. 

On Nov 5, 2011, at 17:13, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:

 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Val Kartchner val...@gmail.com wrote:
 As long as we have all of the addresses, we could use satellite data to
 align them with houses.  Is this the type of data we have in TIGER?
 
 It isn't, but I wonder whether or not a FOIA request for a list of all
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Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

[Steven Johnson]

Yaa, a FOIA request is very unlikely to yield results.

There is a glimmer of hope, though. State and local governments have been
asking the Census Bureau for their address data (Master Address File) for
years. The Census Bureau, through their partnerships and liaisons with
state  local govt, are acutely aware of the need and importance of address
data. They are in fact open to finding ways to make the data available and
still protect the privacy of individuals. It will likely take a while to
get a change in policy, stand up some mechanism to provide data, create
protocols for privacy protection, etc. but the fact that they're seriously
considering these changes is progress.

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 On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote:
  Any idea where I would send the request?
  http://www.census.gov/po/www/foia/foiaweb.htm
 
  Good luck.  Census will fight the request. Earlier comments about
  Title XIII apply.

 Based on that Supreme Court ruling, and the actual text of the law,
 I'm not going to bother.  Thank you, though.

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Re: [Talk-us] National Bridge Inventory

[Steven Johnson]

(Meant to send this to the list. Thanks for Martijn for bringing it to my
attention. -sej)

+1 I think it's a great idea, from the standpoint that it could be mutually
beneficial to OSM and to USDOT's National Bridge Inventory. In the past,
there are some data quality issues with the NBI and resources to maintain
the data have always been scarce. For USDOT to benefit from OSM efforts,
the data have to be useful to them. In that case, it would be good to start
with the specification to understand what tags/attributes they're would be
looking for.

Martijn points out that there are some specialized attributes that wouldn't
be available to the layperson, in which case I don't think there's much the
community can do about those. However, I think the community can update
those things that can be verified by observation (length, construction
type, matl, etc). I also think that USDOT probably has only a subset of
bridges (say, those in the US highway system) and probably lacks a number
of state- and locally-maintained bridges. If that's the case, the OSM
community can contribute from the standpoint of completeness and currency.

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On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 20:45, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oops! I meant to reply to the list, not off list! Sent in haste, I
 suppose...


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 On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 13:31, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  +1 I think it's a great idea, from the standpoint that it could be
 mutually
  beneficial to OSM and to USDOT's National Bridge Inventory. In the past,
  there are some data quality issues with the NBI and resources to
 maintain
  the data have always been scarce. For USDOT to benefit from OSM
 efforts, the
  data have to be useful to them. In that case, it would be good to start
 with
  the specification to understand what tags/attributes they're would be
  looking for.
 
 Steven,

 Any particular reason for sending this off-list?
 Looking at the attribute definitions in the PDF I linked to, there is
 basically three types of attributes in my view.
 1) specialized attributes that cannot be surveyed by a layperson
 2) attributes that could be surveyed by a layperson but are basically
 immutable (length, construction type, location, ...). That is assuming
 they are correct to begin with.
 3) attributes that could be surveyed by a layperson and are mutable
 (condition of the bridge surface, for example).

 Which route do you see as feasible? Importing may be tricky (because
 matching with existing OSM features is going to be tricky). I like the
 KeepRight-like idea that was mentioned.

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Re: [Talk-us] Using TIGER to find missing road segments in OSM after license change

[Steven Johnson]

It appears Josh and Ian are making incremental, but significant  advances
toward much-needed conflation tools. Echoing Martijn's comment, I look
forward to finding some spare time to test these out. Good going, guys...

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On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 09:48, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Josh,

 On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote:

 [..]

 I've actually just converted the conflation JOSM-plugin to use the
 Java Conflation Suite (JCS), which RoadMatcher is based on. I don't
 expect to have RoadMatcher-like capabilities in there for quite a
 while, but I should soon at least be able to find which segments don't
 have a match in OSM based on string similarity (e.g. Levenshtein) and
 curve similarity (e.g. Hausdorff, Frechet).

 That is exciting! I'd love to give that a try.

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Re: [Talk-us] flyers / brochures

[Steven Johnson]

Just FYI...

Re: the stuff Thea shipped to GeoIQ: it disappeared into the ether as far
as anyone knows. Andrew and I looked for it, but could never find it, so
that's a dead end. Better to concentrate on Steve C as a source.

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On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Hi,

 On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
 wrote:
 
 
  In my experience, the single most expensive bit about the flyers is
  distribution. Printing 10k flyers costs ~ EUR 130 or so here in Germany
 (so,
  1.3 cent per piece), but re-packaging them into easily shippable cartons
 of
  100 or 200pcs and mailing them to individual mappers or local groups
 costs ~
  1.8 cent per piece on average, not counting time spent.
 
  I had tried to find someone in the US to distribute the English flyer; I
 had
  someone willing to sponsor the cost of printing but nobody I spoke to
 felt
  able to actually handle distribution.

 Helpful info, thanks!

 I guess we should have one central distribution point here in the US.
 Shipping within the US is pretty cheap (shipping to and from Canada
 not so much, or so I've heard). I can do it if there's no central
 repository for these things yet. Steven mentioned he already has a few
 100 and SteveC may have more. I'll ping Steve and see if he has a lot
 of them. I also remember Thea sent a lot of stuff to the GeoIQ office
 when we had the hack weekend there back in Feb. What was that and
 where is it now?

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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US 2013

[Steven Johnson]

For those interested in putting together a bid, you may want to review the
bid criteria and some of the past bids to get a sense of content and level
of detail. The ones for 2012 are here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2012/BIDS


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On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 I'm going to go ahead and get it started by nominating beautiful Tulsa,
 Oklahoma for SOTM 2013.


 On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:

 Hey Kate -

 Good question. Given the fact that we're shooting for an early SOTM next
 year, we're really strapped of time for a formal bid process. I know this
 is not ideal but I think the ability to move SOTM-US to a better date in
 regards to the international conference is worth it. If you were plannning
 on bidding or if you know of anyone bidding I would suggest to make it
 known here or just get in touch with bon...@mapbox.com. We should
 absolutely open a formal bidding process at the SOTM-US 2013 conference for
 2014.

 On Nov 6, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:

  Hi Alex,
 
  Is there going to be a bid process as with previous years?
 
  Thanks!
 
  -Kate
 
  On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:
 
  OpenStreetMap US is kicking off planning for State of the Map 2013.
 With an international conference likely taking place in the fall of 2013
 (no confirmation from official places, this is an educated guess at this
 point), we are shooting for a first half of the year date - thinking around
 April, May or June. Not being too close to important international OSM
 dates will allow us to continue to build out the international appeal of
 the US SOTM.
 
  Bonnie Bogle, who did much of the organizing at this year's SOTM in
 Portland, is starting right now with researching viable locations and
 dates. We are looking for places that will allow for an affordable
 conference at a great location and date.
 
  If you'd like to help organize, I invite you to join the planning
 committee, please let it be known here on this thread or shoot Bonnie an
 email at bon...@mapbox.com.
 
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[Talk-us] Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

[Steven Johnson]

Hi all,
Following up on an action from SotM-PDX, I've posted a proposal for
expanded tagging for addresses, primarily in the US (though it may have
application in other countries). The intent of the tags is to 1) improve
the description of US addresses, and 2) provide greater flexibility for
local mappers. These tags are necessary because unlike other countries, the
US has no nationwide house numbering/street naming standard. These tags
provide more granularity for local mappers and hopefully, will reduce much
of the ambiguity and confusion with addresses in localities with widely
varying address schemes.

I invite your comments and discussion on the proposed tags. Thanks.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/UnitedStates

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Re: [Talk-us] Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

[Steven Johnson]

Bill,
That's good info; nice to have some local examples. There are numerous
examples like, South East Lake Drive where directionals could be confused
with names. A couple more that come to me off the top of my head...

1) Charlotte, NC has a road called, The Plaza.
2) Richmond, VA has a road called simply, Boulevard.

No, you wouldn't want those names broken up either, but you'd want the
ability to unambiguously specify whatever local convention happens to be.

Thanks for weighing in,


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On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Bill R. WASHBURN dygitulju...@gmail.comwrote:

 We have to be careful that the availability of this granularity doesn't
 insecure the road names, specifically in cases where part of the road name
 could be confused as a prefix or suffix. Let me throw a few usage cases for
 the metro Atlanta area out to illustrate.

 Cobb county uses the quadrant suffix system where everything in the part
 of the county closest to the city of Atlanta gets a SW suffix. Most of the
 time, locals ignore the suffix. Separating the suffix makes sense in this
 context since it is treated as secondary information by locals.

 One place where I can see a non-invasive goofing up our local roads is
 North Decatur Road. That road is named after the North Decatur area through
 which it runs, as best I can tell from my local knowledge, therefore making
 North part of the name of the road and not a prefix. Locals, when giving
 directions, treat the name as North Decatur, always including, North as
 part of the name. You'll never hear a local send someone to Decatur Road.
 Breaking North away from Decatur does not make sense in this context (and
 the local transit agency confuses locals, me included, by making this
 mistake on the time table charts on their website).

 Similarly, The By Way is a road for which separating the prefix, The,
 the name, By, and the road type, Way, doesn't make grammatical sense
 and the road is not mentioned without the while name. As a local mapper, I
 would not want this name broken up since, in our hyper-local context, it
 does not make sense to do so.

 (Compare the second and third cases to East Ponce de Leon Avenue, locally
 shortened to Ponce or Ponce de Leon. The directional prefix and road type
 are treated as secondary, discardable information in local speech.)
 On Nov 18, 2012 3:09 PM, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com wrote:

 Richard  Serge,

 Thanks for the comments. Let me see if I can clarify...

 The problem: Unlike other (mostly European) countries, there are at least
 4 street naming schemes, and 2 property numbering schemes in the US. This
 makes a set of one-size-fits-all tags for addresses both unwieldy,
 imprecise, and ambiguous. It forces local mappers to overload the
 addr:street tag with directional prefixes, suffixes, and street types. It
 perpetuates ambiguity and lessens the value of the data, as well as
 constraining mappers from adequately describing local conditions.

 The solution: splitting out the tags has several advantages:
 1) Increase the descriptive power of the tags. Specific tags make the
 parts of the address absolutely clear, and make it easier to distinguish
 places with similar addresses.

 2) Provide local mappers with greater specificity and ability to
 accurately tag local conditions. Lumping directionals and street types into
 addr:street obscures local characteristics of addresses. Since local
 conditions vary so widely across the US, having more tags gives mappers
 more flexibility to tag what they see.

 3) Remove ambiguity. Look closely at these streets in Hickory, NC and
 you'll see what I mean by ambiguous names and types:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=35.75139lon=-81.35898zoom=17layers=M


 4) Facilitates supervised imports of address data. I know imports are
 fraught with difficulty (and I'm not explicitly advocating address
 imports), but it is important to note that agencies that manage address
 data almost certainly will have prefix, name, type, suffix broken out.

 Thanks again for the comments. Hopes these comments help make the case
 for expanded tagging.

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 On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Richard Welty 
 rwe...@averillpark.netwrote:

 i'm sort of on the fence here. perhaps Steven could outline the use
 cases for this expanded format;
 what becomes possible with it that is not possible or is more difficult
 with the current schema?

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Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: expanded address tags for US

[Steven Johnson]

Thanks for all the constructive, if skeptical responses. I can't respond to
each of them individually, but I'll try to respond to the most pointed
comments here.

Bill R Washburn (dygituljunky) asked:
 Would you be opposed to just splitting off the directional prefixes and
suffixes, thereby leaving the road type and
 name prefix combined with the name? I think, to me, that it's important
to leave the information that uniquely identified the road together.  In
my never-humble opinion, only splitting out the directional would balance
my concern for keeping the name as complete as possible
 and splitting out the information which is, contextually, secondary
information.

In short, yes. I'm less concerned with a dedicated prefix for things like
The and Old. And as Serge asked, Will individuals contribute data in
this new, proposed format? Phil! Gold expressed a similar sentiment, as
well as echoing Bill R Washburn's sentiments:

 I do think there's a use case for directional prefixes that are not
 strictly part of the road name, but are instead for addressing.  Many
 parts of the US have roads with addresses of the form 10 North Something
 Street where the road signs emphasize Something Street and the North
 or South parts are less visible.

On the tagging list, Clay Smalley offered the example of a West Third
Street and East Third Street and suggested that they were easily
distinguished as separate streets. However, in most jurisdictions the
West and East are not considered part of the street name. The local
jurisdictions use West and East simply to designate whether the street
segment proceeds to the west or east of some arbitrary dividing street. The
street is named and indexed locally as: Third. So why would we include
directionals in addr:street rather than treating them as directional
prefixes (or suffixes)?

It's even more problematic for cities that use the Lyman, or coordinate,
system of street naming. User kevina has put together some excellent
guidance for Salt Lake City on why/where to include directionals in cities
using this system (e.g. Seattle, Portland, Salt Lake City,  others). I
take exception to some of kevina's criteria for directional
prefixes/suffixes, but in generally I think the proposal shows when and
where directionals make good sense:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Directional_Prefix_%26_Suffix_Indication
For those of you who asked how adding directionals removes ambiguity,
please see the examples from Salt Lake City, e.g.  East 200 South.

Thanks again to everyone who weighed in so far. Interested in hearing more
given what I've posted here. Cheers,

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Re: [Talk-us] Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

[Steven Johnson]

Hi all,

Two things:

First, thanks Mark, for a very useful suggestion. I need to think about it,
but I think it has merit from the standpoint of streamlining the address
assignment process, as well as keeping address points in sync with their
associated streets.

Second, Richard, please see Carl's post which talks about the proposal from
the standpoint of emergency services. Carl could likely say what the pros 
cons are of splitting the tags vs loading everything in the addr:street tag.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone,

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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote:

 ok, thanks, carl. this helps. i'm working on an emergency services related
 project
 right now and it's helpful to learn about these things.

 the next question is this. supposing we implement Steven's proposal, how
 does
 this help in emergency services mapping projects, that is, what does this
 breakout
 facilitate for us?

 richard


 On 11/20/12 10:05 PM, Carl Anderson wrote:

 All,

 This proposal is a good thing, provided that it does not deprecate current
 tagging uses.

 From my experiences in emergency services (911), emergency management
 (FEMA
 and State/County EMA), and location finding I find that it is often very
 important to know what the colloquial core phrase of an address is.

 A Colloquial core phrase is something we all use everyday.  We shorten
 names down to a useful, but still meaningful, core.
 If I were to say that I was at 14th and K, many of my DC friends would
 know
 that I was at the intersection of 14 St NW and K St NW.
 My friends who are not familiar with DC could guess the location given a
 bit of prompting.

 In easy cases it is easy to determine the colloquial core phrase of an
 address.
 Sometimes however, it is not easy to guess the correct local use for a
 street name or address.

 For instance my friends in Alpharetta, GA all know that North Point Mall
 Blvd is not the North version of Point Mall Blvd, but instead is the Blvd
 at North Point Mall.  My friends farther away from Alpharetta, GA probably
 don't know this.

 Additionally, many times I have seen St. Lo Dr. mangled by well
 intentioned
 people into Street Lo Drive or once and a while into Street Lo Doctor.  Of
 course Saint-Lô is is a well known place in France with a name derived
 from
 Saint Laud.
 Consider how often people mangle the intersection roads Boulevard and
 Boulevard Drive in Atlanta, GA.  It is about even how well intentioned
 people convert both names into one of the two valid choices.

 Steven's proposal creates a mechanism for local knowledge and local
 colloquial use to be added into OSM.  In turn this data, when present,
 will
 allow people who interact with the public to better understand the intent
 of the public in a more precise fashion.

 The parsing steps move the bits that are not part of the core into well
 known tags that can be unambiguously dealt with.
 The unambiguous aspect is equally important as abbreviation usage is often
 lossy.  For instance some US jurisdictions use BL as an abbreviation for
 Boulevard and others use BL for Bluff.  (In the emergency services world
 hilarity does not ensue).  If OSM had such names as Braided Blanket
 Bluff
 in the proposed tagging scheme


 If we were to use the proposal as additional tags to the current existing
 tags people could add to OSM data to the limit of their local knowledge
 and
 when they knew the common local usage could, correctly, completely and
 unambiguously fill out the parsed tags that Steven has proposed.

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Re: [Talk-us] Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

[Steven Johnson]

I understand what you're saying. It is a nice solution, but it's not
without trade offs.  In the very short run, relations are difficult for new
mappers, both conceptually and using the existing tools to create and
maintain them. In the longer run, I think our editing tools will improve,
hopefully in ways that remove the barriers for new users and make relations
less brittle.

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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Apollinaris Schöll ascho...@gmail.comwrote:

 relations seem to be a elegant solution for people with technology
 background. And all your arguments are good ones

 BUT they have quite some disadvantages. Too many non techies have problems
 to get the concept right. As a result they break existing relations or they
 are scared away from editing osm. osm should be easy to use for many and
 creating a technology barrier for newcomers is dangerous.
 On top of that many editors have limited or broken support. As far as I
 know only JOSM and P2 have solid and well tested relation support.

 For a data consumer it's a challenge too. relations are a lot harder to
 process. And even if an application adds relation support it still can't
 drop the other scheme(s)


 On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Mark Gray mark-os...@hspf.com wrote:

 The discussion about how to tag a street name is important
 whether the tags are on the street or in an address.

 Can we move toward using relations instead of tagging the street
 name in each address?

 Copying the street name into each address is problematic.
 If we hope to some day have all addresses in OSM, I hope we can
 come up with a more efficient and consistent way to store a street
 name, however many tags are used for it, only once per section of
 same-named street.

 There are some proposals for how to do this with relations:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:associatedStreet
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Street
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Collected_Ways

 All of these solve the street name duplication in each address and some
 also may solve name duplication across different ways of the street.

 In taginfo, I see there is already some use:
 86023 instances of associatedStreet
 14921 instances of Street
 This is still small compared with:
 15461897 addr:street

 Every time I tag addr:street, I wonder how well it works. What
 will happen when someone decides to expand the name of the street
 or edit a prefix or suffix? How does an address stay associated
 with a street when the link between them, the name, can be edited
 in either place while no change is made to all the other things on
 this street? Each addr:street could contain its own unintentional
 variation of the street name.

 Now that we have embraced relations for highway routes, can we do
 something similar for street names in addresses?

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Re: [Talk-us] Alaska CPD boundaries

[Steven Johnson]

I don't know if it's helpful in this particular case, but there is a
diagram of the hierarchy of the Census geography here:

http://www.census.gov/geo/reference/hierarchy.html

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On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

  From: Greg Troxel [mailto:g...@ir.bbn.com]
  Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Alaska CPD boundaries
 
 
The census bureau divided the unorganized borough into 11 census
  areas.
These have no legal significance but serve to sub-divided the state
  into
convenient parts. In spite of this they are in many ways like
  counties. I've
tagged them the same as counties (admin_level=6) but I'm not convinced
  that
this is the best tagging.
 
  If they're just a census division, it seems wrong to call them boroughs
  (treating them like counties with a different name).  Boroughs as
  counties seem right - it's the way the state divides things less than a
  state and more than a town.  The point of admin_level is government, and
  census boundaries (for the sole convenience of the census bureau,
  presumably) are not in any way governments.

 I must admit I've flipped back and forth on my views on this. I initially
 wasn't sure if they should be in but I've convinced myself that they should
 be and admin_level=6 is probably the best.

 In neither case are we tagging boroughs or CPDs as counties as counties.
 We're tagging them as admin_level=6 which is what counties in the other 49
 states are tagged as. admin_level=6 isn't automatically associated with
 counties.

 boundary=administrative is for administrative boundaries, not just
 government boundaries. Normally the government boundaries are the most
 meaningful ones but here there are no government boundaries. From a data
 consumer's perspective I think any analysis done is likely to treat the
 CPDs
 as equivalent to the boroughs. They have their own FIPS codes too.

 Now, if someone local were to come and say the CPDs are meaningless and
 irrelevant or I say I'm from a CPD the same way someone would say they're
 from a borough I'd be happy and we'd have a good answer but I don't
 believe
 anyone who's commented on the list is a local.


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Re: [Talk-us] US Addressing

[Steven Johnson]

I'm wholeheartedly behind this effort as address data have long been an
interest.

So I just had a quick look at obtaining data for Arlington, VA. The data
(current as of May 2012) are available on CD for cost of reproduction
($125) and includes address points, plus parcels, zoning, flood control
zones, etc. The data are furnished in ArcGIS *personal* database format
ONLY. (I have access to ArcGIS, so could theoretically convert them.) The
data are copyrighted and Arlington County owns all rights to the data and
allows use ...as an acknowledged source to produce maps or analysis but
you may not redistribute, resell, or copy the data (except for back-up
purposes).

Probably other jurisdictions out there that place similar conditions on
their data.

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On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote:

 The Iowa DNR has an ongoing project to provide statewide geocoding
 data.  As of this summer they had about 50% of the state covered:


 http://iagiservicebureau.blogspot.com/2012/06/first-batch-of-geocoding-project-points.html

 It would be fairly trivial to convert these shape files and import them.


 That is awesome. I'm adding data to the spreadsheet based on this listing
 here:
 ftp://ftp.igsb.uiowa.edu/gis_library/counties/

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Re: [Talk-us] Dual Carriageway?

[Steven Johnson]

Yes, in that the carriageways are effectively separated. But in a very
tortured sort of way.

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On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote:

 Found in Albany this morning:

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Re: [Talk-us] US Addressing

[Steven Johnson]

That was exactly my reaction as well. My understanding is that these data
are essentially in the public domain. I'll note it in the spreadsheet.

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On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Brian May b...@mapwise.com wrote:

 On 11/29/2012 1:11 PM, Richard Welty wrote:

 On 11/29/12 1:03 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:

 The
 data are copyrighted and Arlington County owns all rights to the data and
 allows use ...as an acknowledged source to produce maps or analysis but
 you may not redistribute, resell, or copy the data (except for back-up
 purposes).

  the redistribute clause is a real problem, as we don't attempt to
 control
 people taking copies of OSM as long as they honor the ODbL. i'd say this
 license is ODbL incompatible (not a lawyer, though.)

 richard


 Local governments may claim copyright, but whether they can legally is
 another matter. A very quick review of Virginia state law appears to show
 they have liberal open records laws.
 http://www.opengovva.org/**virginias-foia-the-lawhttp://www.opengovva.org/virginias-foia-the-law

 We should probably track these public records problems, e.g. counties and
 cities that claim copyright, etc but the state law says otherwise.

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Re: [Talk-us] US Addressing

[Steven Johnson]

Let me pose something to help clarify what we're talking about when we say,
importing addresses
First, are we talking about
1) Address *ranges*, which are linear features and apply to streets/roads?
TIGER has address ranges, useful for interpolation. But TIGER does not
contain individual addresses.
2) Individual addresses? Points, if you will, associated with buildings,
landmarks, postal addresses. These are more likely to come from state/local
data sources.

Both are important for routing and other applications. But I don't have a
good feel yet for how important the relationship is between the two, or how
we need to facilitate it.

Secondly, about Census data... The Census Bureau publishes ZIP Code
Tabulation Areas (ZCTAs, as polygons) but they are an approximation of US
Postal Service data and used for downstream analytical purposes. But as far
as USPS is concerned, the ZIP code is a point data feature that only exists
to deliver the mail. The USPS does not maintain ZIP codes as polygons.

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Re: [Talk-us] Imports

[Steven Johnson]

This speaks to the message I just posted to the list: I believe Richard F's
inspiration was SteveC's post suggesting we import TIGER (*range*) data,
and apply it to ways. OTHO, I believe Ian (also prompted by SteveC) is
suggesting importing local address (*point*) data, and applying it to
buildings and parcels.

Several people have responded with examples of state/local address data to
import into OSM. Are these address *points* or address *ranges*?

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On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 (Changing the subject because we seemed to have gotten side-tracked to
 imports rather than collecting address information)

 On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

  I really don't want to support a complete TIGER address import unless
 our
  effort at finding real local addressing data fails in some places.

 I believe that Richard was speaking about TIGER in the sense of the
 style of import, rather than about the dataset itself.

 The issues around TIGER were that it gave us a boost initially, but
 we've been also dealing with the consequences of that import for
 years, and I think Richard is suggesting that we consider our actions
 carefully.


 All actions have consequences. Did importing TIGER hamper the OSM
 community building in the US or did poor advocacy? Maybe it was the
 existing vast, free data ecosystem? Maybe it was simply the sheer size of
 the country?


  Just about all the data I've seen is unexpanded. We'll probably have to
 deal
  with that on a per-county basis (assuming we're not importing TIGER).

 Yes, but it's an excellent point- one that should go along with any data
 import.


 Yes, we can talk about an import process once we start talking about
 importing the addresses.

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Re: [Talk-us] US Addressing

[Steven Johnson]

Okay, so we're talking about importing address *points*. Good.

Now, are we talking strictly about *postal* addresses? Or *site* addresses?
In some cases (cities, typically) they're typically the same. But in rural
areas not always the case.

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On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:


  We certainly need to take our time before importing addresses.  I
 considered the problem of manually collecting the city and concluded that
 it is not possible short of opening mailboxes and reading the address on
 any mail (highly illegal), or knocking on every door to confirm the mailing
 address.   Much like boundaries, complete address information is possible
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[Talk-us] Obtaining local govt GIS data (was: King County, Washington authorization)

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On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sweet.

 I wish more local governments took this approach.



I agree. I'm looking at several local governments in Virginia (including
Arlington). Nearly all of them have some boilerplate language such as this,
from Lynchburg:

Data contained on this Web page/site is Copyright © City of Lynchburg,
Virginia. The GIS data are proprietary to the City, and title to this
information remains in the City. All applicable common law and statutory
rights in the GIS data including, but not limited to, rights in copyright,
shall and will remain the property of the City.

A quick scan of Virginia public records law suggest that local GIS data are
considered public records and therefore in the public domain. And I
understand the copyright claims are there to limit commercial marketing of
the data that might undermine the local govt. But it's beyond me how they
can claim the data are a) proprietary, and b) what downstream restrictions
the copyright places on the data.

Interested to hear what experiences other mappers have had in other parts
of the country.

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Re: [Talk-us] Obtaining local govt GIS data (was: King County, Washington authorization)

[Steven Johnson]

Jeff,
I think your approach is exactly right. It never hurts to ask, and the tone
of your note is pitch perfect. Thanks for drafting a template we can all
use.

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On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote:

 I would highly encourage anyone who's pursuing these types of datasets to
 not be deterred by these statements  force local authorities to confirm
 that this policy is indeed prohibitive. You can ask local authorities if
 the data will be opened or if they would release it for use in OSM under a
 license that is compatible with OdBL. You never know what people will say.
 And, even if you get an answer you don't like, the negative response can be
 a good reference for a follow on email to an elected commissioner, mayor,
 etc. asking how they view open data and the opportunity for greater public
 (yes, including commercial) use of publicly-funded data.

 I've started a very lame first draft of an email that could be used to ask
 for permission - please add to it, improve it, etc.:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sample_Data_Request

 - Jeff


 On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:

 On 12/11/2012 1:49 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:

 Interested to hear what experiences other mappers have had in other
 parts of the country.


   My county has virtually the same copyright, and sells a GIS DVD for
 $500.  For the time being, I have given up the idea of any import - the
 biggest gain for me would be addresses, but other than that, not much; I
 don't care about buildings at the moment.

   I am keeping an eye out for any state legislation that might make
 taxpayer-funded GIS data public domain so that I can prod my local
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Re: [Talk-us] Happy New Year from MapRoulette!

[Steven Johnson]

Martijn,
This is quite an achievement and I, for one, thank you for your ingenuity.
Beers on me, next time we meet!

Do you have any metrics/stats on the MapRoulette tasks? Like, how many
errors at the beginning, how many contributors, how long it took to
eliminate the errors? and so on? That would give us a useful benchmark for
other data quality efforts.

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On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:25 AM, SteveCoast st...@asklater.com wrote:

 This is awesome.

 Steve

 On Jan 9, 2013, at 9:36 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

  Hi all,
 
  We've seen some great progress from MapRoulette users fixing the
  almost 70,000 connectivity errors in the US. Returning from my
  Christmas break, they were all but eliminated! Great, but we did not
  really have the next challenge ready yet. So for now, we expanded the
  scope of the connectivity challenge to include Mexico and Canada, so
  we have over 57,000 fresh connectivity errors for you to sink your
  teeth into. So stop reading and start fixing, over at
  http://maproulette.org/!
 
  PS the next challenge is almost done, we could also do a parallel
  MapRoulette for that, what do you think?
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[Talk-us] Examples Gov using OSM

[Steven Johnson]

I think Alex' inquiry was meant the other way round. That is, governments
using OSM data for whatever purpose. The example I'm most familiar with is
TriMet in Portland, OR, which uses OSM as a basemap for their TripPlanner.
[1] Are there other examples?

[1]  http://trimet.org/go/cgi-bin/plantrip.cgi

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Elliott Plack elliott.pl...@gmail.comwrote:

 I can think of many examples of governments importing data into OSM, but
 none
 where they are using it actively. Is that what you are looking for examples
 of?



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Re: [Talk-us] New member

[Steven Johnson]

Hi Amy,

Great to have you and happy to see more educational institutions
contributing to the project. If you're looking for inspiration, you might
want to take a look at TerpNav [1] and see how Univ of Maryland has used
OpenStreetMap to create an interactive campus map. Looking forward to
seeing the contributions of your community soon!

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[1] http://terpnav.cs.umd.edu/map/


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:33 PM, amy.dani...@gvltec.edu wrote:

  Hi Everyone,

 I wanted to introduce myself – I am Amy Daniels and I am a GIS Instructor
 with Greenville Technical College in South Carolina.  I am interested in
 keeping OpenStreetMap Data for our college campuses as up-to-date and
 complete as possible.  I have a lot to learn about contributing and using
 OSM tools.  

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 We are working on embedding the live maps for each campus into our campus
 web site to enable visitors to locate our buildings and facilities.  I am
 excited to join the community.

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 Thanks,

 Amy 

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[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap outreach opportunity

[Steven Johnson]

Hi all,

(Cross-posting to talk-us  the *brand-spanking new* diversity-talk list...
Yay.)

I'm following up on our great discussion at #sotmus about diversity and, in
this specific case, outreach/education to broaden the community base. I
want to point out this upcoming National Youth Summit on Geospatial
Technologies[1]. It looks like a fantastic opportunity to expose young
mappers to the awesomeness that is OpenStreetMap...if we can get on the
program. (I have no idea if the program is set, nor how tightly scripted it
is.) Even if we can't participate, I'd like to draw attention to it as an
example of the kinds of events we should look to for outreach and community
development.

Thoughts on next steps? Please discuss...

 [1] http://www.nationalyouthsummit.org/


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Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow

[Steven Johnson]

Nathaniel Kelso  David Blackman's presentation at #sotmus on Quattroshapes
might offer some guidance, at least with respect to a method. They used
Foursquare checkins and geotagged Flickr photos to calculate some
boundaries. Now, I am more likely to check in at Arlington (my city) than I
am in East Falls Church (my neighborhood), but perhaps we could organize a
project around a similar method?

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On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 4:30 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote:

 OSM has pretty poor neighborhood coverage in the US. We have around 1100
 place=neighbo[u]rhood. Geonames has ten times that at 11,000 (feature class
 P.PPLX - not sure if all of those are neighborhoods) and Zillow has 7,000.
 Both these data sets are provided under (different) CC licenses. Could we
 use either Geonames or Zillow to drive improvement to neighborhood name
 coverage in OSM? I am not proposing an import, but a local MapRoulette
 challenge might work where people with local knowledge accept / reject
 proposed neighborhood points, or something along those lines.

 Martijn


 I don't use points (a POI with place=* or neighbourhood=* tag) but rather
 named polygons which surround/define a given named residential area.  These
 seem to work just as well:

 What I've done in my city is to get the (public domain) digital city data
 for how parcels are grouped together into polygons defining residential
 neighborhoods, with names in the name=* tag (and even numbers for each
 residential neighborhood, which I've put into the ref=* tag). These get an
 additional landuse=residential tag, and voilá, OSM (the database), mapnik
 and Nominatim all capture/display/index each neighborhood properly
 (Nominatim nicely and correctly as Residential area.)

 The same data sets also contain outer-parcel-edge boundaries for
 commercial and industrial districts, which of course get landuse=commercial
 and landuse=industrial tags (respectively), as well as THEIR name=* (and
 ref=*) tags.  As a result, our city displays very nicely, all
 neighborhoods/districts show up in Nominatim, and the OSM database contains
 definitive, correct polygons, straight from a public domain source (the
 city GIS department).

 There are a very small number (two, three?) of additional data points
 which my neighbors use as community names (like East Park or Midtown)
 which the city doesn't actually define, but people who live and/or work
 there do. For these, I use place=locality, name=* tags, and they render
 with a slightly different font (and smaller type size) than the
 neighborhoods/districts above.  For these, I place the point at a
 significant cultural centroid for those small sub-communities
 (place=suburb is too big, though I have also defined four of those in my
 city of 60,000 -- suburb points also display with distinct/different
 typeface/size, and at certain zoom levels which make it clear they are
 suburbs).  From both an in the OSM DB and a how does mapnik display
 this (in addition to how Nominatim indexes), I believe this is completely
 correct, and they look nice, too.   I sincerely believe anybody who lives
 in these neighborhoods would agree.

 I would guess many medium- and larger-sized cities have these sorts of
 datasets available: they are just big polygons that surround a neighborhood
 or commercial/industrial district: no single point required.  While these
 might take up more space in OSM's database, the extra points for the
 polygon-defining way makes them quite exact, and mapnik's rendering is in
 the very center of each polygon:  a nice way to do it.

 I invite you to take a look (within the City limits):

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?**lat=37lon=-122zoom=14**layers=Mhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37lon=-122zoom=14layers=M

 I don't think Zillow or Geonames should be leaned on too heavily (if at
 all) to define these: where neighborhoods begin and end is very much a
 local thing, and usually the City itself (or the County for unincorporated
 areas) or people who live locally are best at defining these.  That's why
 I'd say MapRoulette is a poor candidate for doing this:  you won't get
 local knowledge, you're just crowd-sourcing what effectively becomes an
 import among many, and they don't really know whether the data are high
 quality or not.

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Re: [Talk-us] Parking rendering

[Steven Johnson]

To amplify what Serge said about Washington, no distinction was made for
the behind-the-house, 1-2 vehicle private space versus large public lots.
So if you were to look at the WashDC map, you'd be misled into thinking
there is parking everywhere! I rather like the suggestion of addressing it
through capacity, public/private, and access. Scale-dependent display would
help, as well.

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On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 I agree this should ideally be addressed at the data level. If all parking
 nodes had some capacity / access information, the renderer could prioritize
 for larger public parking when zooming out, for example. And entering every
 strip of street parking spots as parking in OSM does not make sense to me.

 As it is, it's probably better to have mappers being exposed to this
 'over-parking' in some areas, so that we actually have this discussion.
 Whether that exposure should be on the main map or on a separate data
 dashboard is a non-issue until we actually have these data dashboards ;)

 Martijn


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 On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Nathan Mills nat...@nwacg.net wrote:
  (I switched to talk-us for this reply because it doesn't touch on
 import issues)
 
  I don't think it's so much a bug in the stylesheet as much as a bug in
 the world we're trying to map. Many cities simply have excessive amounts of
 parking and that shows up on the map.

 This is partially (though not entirely) a US problem, and while we
 can argue the issues around parking in general, the map clutter is due
 to a combination of rendering issues and other problems.

 For example, in the Washington, DC area, there are many small, narrow
 parking areas which are in reality just street parking that has been
 improperly imported.

 I suspect that if we examine many areas where parking is so cluttered,
 we will find some combination of rendering issues and data issues.

 The data issues will need addressing, then the rendering problems are
 likely going to be fairly solvable.

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Re: [Talk-us] what do we mean by geocoding?

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On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:


 At SOTM-US (State of the Map US) I spoke to Steven Johnson of the Census
 Bureau on the issue of what data USPS actually has internally (as the
 Census Bureau has some special licensed access to this data).

 Yes, just to amplify: the Census Bureau purchases the Delivery Sequence
File (DSF) from USPS on an ongoing basis (at least 2x/year). The use of the
DSF dates from 1994 and Congressional authorization was required for the
Bureau to use the DSF. The DSF served as the foundation for the Bureau's
Master Address File (MAF). The DSF is by far the largest source of address
data for the Bureau, in excess of 90%.

Apparently, the USPS does not even know the geocoordinates of most of their
 assets (e.g. post boxes, post offices, delivery addresses).  They do have a
 near perfect database of *what* these assets are, just not
 the coordinates.  And that itself is useful.  Knowing a postbox exists is a
 huge clue to geocoding it.  Knowing a postbox has been removed from service
 is a huge clue.


Actually, I think I was referring to ZIP codes (but you're forgiven for not
recalling the details. ;-) ). The USPS *does not* maintain ZIP codes as
polygon features, because the ZIP code is associated with a delivery
*point* (i.e. a postal address). The Census Bureau combines those into
something known as ZIP Code Tabulation Areas, which are an approximation
created by drawing boundaries around a collection of *points* that have ZIP
code in common. Many other commercial vendors create something similar. But
there is no official database of ZIP code polygons.

As to whether USPS has coordinates/geocoded coords for all of the postal
'furniture' out there, that I don't know.

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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports-us] Releasing my data into Public Domain

[Steven Johnson]

If the data are to be released under the terms and provisions of Maryland
public records law, you should probably cite the section of the code that
applies to the data. States often have conditions that specify which
records are in the public domain (e.g. real estate transactions) and which
are not (e.g. personnel records).

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On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

 Neither of those is public domain. I know for individuals there can be
 issues releasing data into the public domain, but if a government’s lawyers
 feel their data is public domain, I generally just take them at their word.

 If the data is public domain then a simple statement that the data is
 public domain should be enough. With PD you’re not actually licensing the
 data, you’re stating that it’s not covered by copyright and there aren’t
 any exclusive rights that need licensing.


 Sadly it's not that simple. Public domain can only be works of the US
 federal government (for use within the US specifically), or where copyright
 has expired, and I'm sure a few other edge cases. Whether you like it or
 not, in the US, unless you're an employee of the US federal government, you
 can't release works into the public domain. That's what CC0 is for. Read
 more here:
 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#PublicDomainSoftware
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain_software

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Re: [Talk-us] Burning Man old data, publicity opportunity

[Steven Johnson]

I'm almost certain that Mikel was involved in one, or both of those '08/'09
efforts to map Black Rock City. Worth contacting him about what it would
take to re-do it for 2013.

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 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  So Black Rock City is mapped on OpenStreetMap... twice. And both are old
 versions (the city as it was in 2008 and 2009). Anyone know why this is?
 Should the two old cities be deleted and replaced with the 2013 city?
 
  I have a feeling that this could be a fun publicity opportunity for OSM,
 if we're the first ones to map out Black Rock City during Burning Man. Not
 to mention that the kind of people who go to Burning Man would probably
 rather support OSM over Google Maps, given someone tells them about OSM. It
 brings in people from everywhere, so ideally they could go back to their
 respective communities and possibly get more involved in local OSM mapping.
 
  Just ranting a pipe dream. Does this sound realistic?
 
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Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

[Steven Johnson]

I am strenuously in favor of keeping whichever feature ID enables us to
know the lineage and provenance of the GNIS point. That bit of metadata can
be useful for downstream uses.

There are instances where the ele tag is useful, even if only as a rough
guide, but I don't have strong feelings about it.

But I agree with the general sentiment expressed here so far, that the rest
of the tags can safely be deleted.

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On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.comwrote:

 The ele tag is of unknown accuracy. It can be off by much more for
 mountains. This is the case when it's a real steep cliff between the
 sampling of NED data. found one peak where it was off by 300ft this is
 simply wrong and not useful.


 On Aug 21, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hi Serge,
 
  - If there are two tags for the feature id, we should pick one and
  change the other one.
  - I don't think the ele tag should be renamed just because it is only
  accurate to 60m. Everything in the database is an estimate.
  - I would be ok with removing all of the gnis:* tags except the
  feature id. There is no reason for us to maintain the other data.
  - You might want to keep the ele tags.
 
  Thanks
  Jason
 
 
 
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Kevin Kenny kken...@nycap.rr.com
 wrote:
  On 08/20/2013 04:54 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
 
  In addition, I suggest that we remove two other tags conditionally.
 
  I suggest we remove the ele tag unless the tag natural=peak is
  present and that we remove source if the value for that tag is USGS
  Geonames (which is just GNIS).penny stove
 
 
  ele= is certainly meaningful for aeroways. And I suspect that the
  UUID will be meaningful when trying to cross-reference back to the
  original data.
 
 
  On 08/20/2013 06:04 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
 
  go for it.
  actually the ele tag is quite wrong on peaks and should be removed too
 or
  renamed to something like estimated ele
 
 
  Please don't. If you want to add a tag like ele:status=estimated, that
 would
  be a better solution. There's always imprecision in elevations; even GPS
  usually has considerable vertical dilution of position. An elevation
 derived
  from photogrammetric contour lines is better than no elevation at all.
 
  --
  73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin
 
 
 
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Re: [Talk-us] Baltimore County GIS Data is now public domain

[Steven Johnson]

It does appear that these copyright clauses exist to protect the local
jurisdiction from any liability regarding (mis-)use of the data. Back in my
paleo-GIS days, we were always concerned that someone would mis-construe
the data and hold the County liable and were careful to put a disclaimer on
all maps and digital products. But I think in most jurisdictions a lot of
those concerns have gone by the wayside, just like the expectation of
generating revenue from the data, as Elliott mentions.

Cheers,
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Re: [Talk-us] 2013-2014 OSM US Election Results

[Steven Johnson]

Awesome. Congratulations to all. AFAIC, everyone is a winner in this
election. Thanks to our election observers for helping out.

SEJ

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On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote:

  The election for 2013-2014 is complete and the new board consists of:

 Mele Sax-Barnett
 Kathleen Danielson
 Ian Dees
 Martijn van Exel
 Alex Barth

 The formal roles (President, VP, etc.) will be determined by the new
 board during their first meeting, and will be announced shortly after
 that meeting.

 I served as the election manager and checked the vote. Our independent
 election observers were Henk Hoff and Michael Collinson, and they have
 confirmed that the vote was fair and correctly counted.

 Thanks to all who participated
 Richard Welty
 Elections for OpenStreetMap US Board of Directors 2013/2014

 Results

 Alex Barth  60
 Martijn van Exel54
 Ian Dees43
 Kathleen Danielson  41
 Mele Sax-Barnett34
 --
 Steve Coast 31
 Alyssa Wright   31
 Steven Johnson  29
 Jessica Breen   25
 Randy Meech 22


 This post may also be found on the OSM US blog:

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Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Question about incorrect data for an administrative area

[Steven Johnson]

When tagging boundaries, I think you'll find it worthwhile to look at the
US Census Bureau's 2012 Census of Governments[0], which lists all
incorporated governmental units by state. It's is a comprehensive listing
by state, of all governmental units. It's indispensable for understanding
the relationship between various units of government and how they are
established, and should be a big help in assigning the correct admin_level
for a particular set of boundaries.

HTH,
SEJ

[0] http://www2.census.gov/govs/cog/2012isd.pdf

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On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote:

  On 10/15/13 8:01 PM, Chris Lawrence wrote:


  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas

  Defining an alt_name or loc_name of Las Vegas on each of the
 surrounding CDP boundaries/relations may help Nominatim geocode these cases
 better.  But the CDPs are not part of the city (aside from any areas that
 may have been annexed, which should be reflected in the new TIGER 2013
 boundaries) and should not be conflated with the city boundary.

 right. whatever gets done with boundaries should be done on something
 that at least tries to reflect facts, and not based on notions. that's why
 i suggested going to TIGER 2013 as, while it may not perfectly reflect
 the exact legal boundaries, it should be pretty close, as the Census
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Re: [Talk-us] Fall Editathon Seattle Edition

[Steven Johnson]

Yes, another ringing endorsement for Battlegrid. I used it quite a bit at
yesterday's DC #editathon. It's very helpful in finding alignment needles
in haystacks of TIGER/OSM data.

Also, thanks to Mele for pulling together a great #editathon how-to. Lots
of good stuff there.
SEJ

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On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote:

 Battlegrid rules.

 Looking forward to seeing a clean area in the Seattle-Tacoma corridor!


 On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 4:49 AM, Kathleen Danielson 
 kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mele,

 That resource page is awesome! We should definitely put that into our
 toolkit to help future editathon organizers!

 DC's Editathon is happening later today!

 KD


 On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Melelani Sax-Barnett 
 saxb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Things went well in PDX too-- we had about 14 people who came and went
 throughout the day. Lots of newbies too! I did forget to take pictures
 though-- oops.

 Feel free to use/fork our resources page and slides here:
 http://pdxmele.com/editathon
 Repo: https://github.com/pdxmele/editathon

 Good luck to the other meetups this weekend!

 My best,
 Mele


 On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Good to hear you've been having a good time! Re: battlegrid: you're
 most welcome! I've shown it to the folks present at the SLC Editathon
 today, and everyone found it useful. Please don't hesitate to send any
 feedback or suggestions this way.

 We had a really good time here in Salt Lake. The turnout was good by
 our standards (5 people, 2 new). We did not accomplish a lot of
 mapping but we did discuss a potential Utah address points import
 extensively. Also, because we all agreed this is a pleasant way to
 spend a Saturday afternoon, we are introducing a new monthly event,
 the Saturday Mapternoon! If you're in the area, check us out:
 http://www.meetup.com/osmutah/

 On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
 wrote:
  We had a great first day of map hacking in Seattle. I'd like to
 especially
  thank Martijn van Exel for creating maproulette.org/battlegrid. Our
 group is
  attacking the misaligned roads in Washington State using Battlegrid.
 For
  those that haven't used battlegrid, it is a visual tool to find
 difference
  between OSM roads and current Tiger data. We are finding that the
 Tiger data
  is better than OSM, especially in rural/outstate locations. But Tiger
 data
  isn't perfect either. Hopefully down the road, the US Census Bureau
 can use
  our data to improve their data.
 
  I would also like to thank Tableau Software for hosting this weekend.
 
  --
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Re: [Talk-us] Admin borders in the US: CDPs

[Steven Johnson]

CDPs are used by Census and other Federal agencies, OMB in particular. They
are used as a tool to administer programs, for example Federal block
grants. I'm not sure they have much use beyond that.
State/tribal/county/municipal boundaries OTOH are much more useful and
likely to reflect a consensus between those branches of government.

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On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote:

 On 11/6/13 4:52 PM, Greg Troxel wrote:
 
 
  Are you aware of any regulatory impact of crossing a CDP boundary
  (ignoring impacts of crossing other boundaries that coincide)?  I am
  not, and I have no idea where the CDP boundaries are around me.
 CDP boundaries are worse, really, than that. i discovered in working
 through boundaries downstate (Rockland and Westchester Counties)
 that the Census Bureau had substantially changed a bunch of CDP
 boundaries between 2008 and 2013, downsizing a bunch of them
 quite a lot.

 i thought they were for comparing counts census to census, but now
 i really don't know what they're for if the boundaries can change
 that much.
 
  All in all, I think CDP boundaries should be either
 
removed from OSM, or
 
changed to have some boundary=census tag, if they are useful
 
 the latter, i think. there are parts of the US where the CDP
 boundaries do contribute to the map.

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Re: [Talk-us] take responsibility, not control.

[Steven Johnson]

Excellent post, Richard. +1 to your suggestion that we all assume good faith. 
We should all collaborate and encourage camaraderie between mappers.  

--SEJ

Sent from my electronic tether. 

 On Nov 18, 2013, at 12:12, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
 
 When you find a suspicious edit, try to be part of the solution,
 rather than merely a reporting system.  :-)
 
 If you are experienced enough, attempt to determine which account
 introduced the suspicious data.  Contact that account through the user
 mail system.  Presume good faith; they may well be a new and
 enthusiastic mapper with an incomplete understanding of OpenStreetMap.
 They might also be more experienced than you are and be making some
 form of advanced edit with which you are unfamiliar.  Your goal is to
 make contact with the mapper in question, and find out what they
 intended with their edit.  Ideally, either they will learn something
 and become a better mapper, or you will.  :-)
 
 If you aren't experienced enough to do this on your own, contact a
 more-experienced mapper who you trust for their judgement and ask for
 their assistance.  Follow along so that you can proceed with less help
 next time.
 
 If you aren't able to get a satisfactory response within a reasonable
 time, say a week or two, consider asking other mappers for their
 opinion on the edits.  Are they really a problem, or simply rare or
 idiosyncratic?  Consider as a group if the data should stay or not.
 Please note that a satisfactory response is not restricted to
 another mapper agreeing with you.  :-)
 
 Repair or revert data that is incorrect.  Get help from a
 more-experienced mapper if you haven't done this before.
 
 All of this should happen before you consider reaching out to the Data
 Working Group.  The DWG and the OpenStreetMap sysadmins, do have
 additional tools for dealing with spammers, vandals and persistent,
 umm, whackos.  But these tools are rather heavy and blunt
 instruments.  The DWG wield these tools with exquisite finesse and
 with surgical precision but you can help a great deal by solving
 problems before they require intervention from DWG.  Reserve the DWG
 for those things that you can not reasonably do for yourself.
 
 You can make the initial contact and do the basic research.  Please do.
 
 Take responsibility for improving the map (we all do), but also take
 responsibility for improving the mappers.  Temper this by
 understanding that the mapper who you improve may well be yourself.
 And that's just fine, too.  :-)
 
 Best Regards and Happy Mapping,
 
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Re: [Talk-us] Bing imagery update

[Steven Johnson]

Whoa, nice work, Martijn! Thanks for calling it out, Clifford. This is
really useful.

-Steven

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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote:

 Check out Bing Aerial Imagery Analyzer for OpenStreetMap,
 http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/. Someone posted a
 link about it on the Canadian talk list this morning. Another one of Martijn
 van Exel great contributions to OSM.


 On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Alexander Jones happy5...@gmail.comwrote:

 Mike N wrote:

  In my part of SC, Bing imagery has updated!   Seems to be from this
  year; within the last month or so.

 New imagery in Fresno, too. When you're remapping rail yards, it's a
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Re: [Talk-us] importing zip codes

[Steven Johnson]

Formally, the Census product is called ZCTAs - Zip Code Tabulation Areas,
and they are polygons. They are useful in a variety of operations internal
to Census Bureau, and externally as part of the transportation planning
program but, as others have pointed out, they are NOT official Zip codes.
The Zip codes maintained by the USPS are point features; attributes of the
postal address. They are often grouped in the Delivery Sequence File, and
in that sense, represent linear features.

I commend Charles for wanting to improve the Zip code data within
OpenStreetMap, but given the second-hand provenance, it's dubious currency,
and structure of the data, I would recommend against importing it. Like
others, I'd recommend contacting the Imports group and take up the issue
with them.

Best,
SEJ

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On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote:

 What exactly is the census data representing? Zip codes are not polygons
 (they are routes) so I'm curious what exactly they are modeling.

 But beyond that, I'm not sure zip code boundaries are all that useful in
 OSM. I think Nominatim already figures out zip code basics from
 addr:postcode values in the data although I'm not overly familiar with its
 internal workings.

 Toby



 On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 1:11 PM, o...@charles.derkarl.org wrote:


 Hi,

 I have a shape file from census.gov which contains the boundaries for
 all zip
 codes in the US. This data should not need licensing in that it comes
 from the
 us federal census.

 I would also like the community to answer this technical question: Each
 boundary obviously shares a border with another zip code. Should those
 shared
 boundaries have the same way, and then each zip code becomes a relation?

 Failing any negative replies, I will cook up an implementation and provide
 some .osm files for review before importing.

 Charles
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[Talk-us] Notes from TeachOSM BoF at SotMUS

[Steven Johnson]

Hi all,
I created a Hackpad[0] to consolidate my (loose) notes from Sunday's
birds-of-a-feather session at State of the Map. Surely there are things I
left out so please feel free to add your thoughts, make revisions,
clarifications, etc.

[0] https://hackpad.com/TeachOSM-Notes-from-BoF-at-SotM-US-hj1Irt3wmcf

It was a great discussion. Thanks to everyone who contributed. Best,

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Re: [Talk-us] Sidewalks as footpaths

[Steven Johnson]

Certainly your first move should be to contact the user, gently point
her/him to the consensus method for tagging sidewalks, and ask the mapper
to correct their work. Hopefully, an appeal to enlightened self-interest as
well as the quality of the map, will prevail.


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On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 11:38 AM, William Morris
wboyk...@geosprocket.comwrote:

 Is there a general OSM policy on marking sidewalks as highway=footway?
 User dolphinling appears to have gone crazy in downtown Burlington,VT
 tracing the sidewalks and calling them footways. Which wouldn't be a
 problem if footways weren't so cartographically distinct in everyone's
 stylesheets:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/44.47772/-73.21112

 Should I:

 1. Revert
 2. Get in touch with the editor
 3. Get over it

 Thanks!

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[Talk-us] Summer editathon: OpenStreetMap Summer Camp

[Steven Johnson]

It's not too early to start thinking about this summer's (July?) editathon
and I'd like to propose we turn this one be a family/youth-oriented event
and give it a theme: OpenStreetMap Summer Camp. The idea is simply to
conduct the editathons much like we have in the past, but make a concerted
effort to get parents to bring their kids or get kids to come on their own
to get more middle- and high-school kids started with OpenStreetMap.

I'm willing to serve as a mentor/organizer for a DC-based event, but it
would be great if we could maximize the impact by getting this going
nationwide. The basic format of the editathon would stay the same, but it
might require a little extra legwork locally to reach our target audience.
I haven't worked through those details yet, but want to put it out to the
community for discussion.

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Re: [Talk-us] Beach routing

[Steven Johnson]

A few years ago, I mapped beach access paths, too: http://ow.ly/yZT3G
But I did not map along the beach as there was no clearly defined path or
boardwalk, nor could I see a compelling case for doing so. I can see a
reason if driving, horses, bikes compete for access, or there are areas
that permit/restrict access to the beach.

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On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote:

 I say go ahead and add it, though `highway=track` (with appropriate access
 tag) might make more sense if vehicles drive along the beach.

 Here in NJ, people have also been mapping the paths that lead down to the
 beach from the boardwalks, but they generally aren’t connected.  I’m a
 runner, so I would find it useful to know which stretches of beach are
 passable and what the surface is like.

 Thanks, Bryan



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 OSM US:

 I've been using some routing engines to map fitness routes (e.g. Strava)
 that use OSM data. Along our US coasts, there are beaches. The beaches I'm
 familiar with are popular with walkers and joggers to go up and down the
 shore, since access is generally open to anyone along the water's edge. I'm
 considering adding a `highway=path` along the beach to facilitate this. I'd
 add the connections to the walking paths between parking lots and the beach
 as well.

 For uninterrupted strips of sandy beach, would a path be appropriate to
 indicate walkability?

 How the map looks now in iD: http://i.imgur.com/2EQ06BR.jpg
 What I'd propose to do (note the connections):
 http://i.imgur.com/i8dj6lQ.jpg
 Area of the examples:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/38.45143/-75.04957

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Re: [Talk-us] Teaching with OSM examples (for H.S. STEM class)

[Steven Johnson]

Hi Tanya,

Yes, there are good leads. Interest in using OSM to teach geography has
been growing of late and I've been devoting a larger share of my time to
establish a 'TeachOSM' capability, specifically to provide resources to
teachers who want to use OSM to teach geography.

First, timing is great to start planning for Geography Awareness Week.[0]
This year's theme is 'Food' and during that week we'd like to have students
adding food-related features to the map. I'm part of an organizing group
for this event and I'd be happy to coordinate off-list with your teacher
acquaintance, if you can put me in touch.

Second, Jeff Myer gave a talk at State of the Map US in Portland[1], which
has lots of ideas, particularly on using OSM to teach history. His
presentation also outlines some challenges related to using OSM in the
classroom.

Lastly, I'll also suggest you, your friend, and the high school teacher ask
for leads on the TeachOSM mailing list[2]. There are a number of teachers
on the list, as well as people who share an interest in using OSM to teach
geography. I encourage you, and anyone with an interest in TeachOSM to
subscribe to the list and contribute.

HTH,
Steven


[0]
http://education.nationalgeographic.com/education/programs/geographyawarenessweek/?ar_a=1
[1]
http://www.slideshare.net/gwhathistory/osm-k12-education-sotm-us-2012-pdx
[2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/teachosm



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On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 6:59 PM, TC Haddad tchad...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hi all,

 A friend has asked about resources for a high school teacher who is
 interested in using OSM in a S.T.E.M. class next fall. In particular
 examples of how others have used OSM in curriculum would be useful.

 Any good leads they can follow?

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[Talk-us] Announcement: WashDC mapping party, 6 Sept

[Steven Johnson]

Hello list,

Saturday, 6 September, MappingDC is collaborating with Great Streets DC,
the Georgia Avenue Business Association, and local community development
organization, MOMIES TLC to map the Georgia Avenue corridor.[1] This is a
great opportunity to use your OpenStreetMap skills for community
development.

See the Meetup link[2] for registration  all the details. Hope to see you
there,

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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Baltimore County Maryland Building and Address Import

[Steven Johnson]

This is really great seeing building footprints in some of the more rural
areas and I hope we see more imports of rural areas in the future. Great
job, Elliot.

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On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:


 On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 6:59 AM, Elliott Plack elliott.pl...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Quick update: The import is finished! I've been doing some QC and it
 really is great to look at, and so useful. OSM in Baltimore County has
 better addresses than any of the other online maps. Hooray for open source!
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/39.4379/-76.6223

 I'll write a diary post soon detailing some of the ins and outs of this.
 It was really fun.


 Congratulations Elliott.

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[Talk-us] (no subject)

[Steven Johnson]

Hello list,

Here’s a quick update on plans for this year’s Geography Awareness Week[1],
which kicks off on 17 Nov. This year’s theme is ‘The Future of Food’ and
we’re targeting colleges/university communities across the country to host
events. If you have an affiliation with a college/university and are
willing to serve as local coordinator for an event, please use the wiki
page[2] to

   1. Add yourself as coordinator, and
   2. Describe plans for your event.

This is a great opportunity for the OpenStreetMap community to foster
greater connections in the academic community to increase awareness of
OpenStreetMap both as a tool for geographic education, as well as social
science and community service.

Suggested activities include mapping groceries, farmers markets, community
gardens, food distribution centers, identification of food deserts. There
may also be things we can digitize for Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team or
US State Dept’s Mapgive. Your suggestions warmly welcomed.

Also, NGS has granted liberal use of their logos[3] for the event, so
please use them alongside OpenStreetMap logos in your promotional
materials.

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[Talk-us] OSM Geography Awareness Week

[Steven Johnson]

(Sorry for the re-post; forgot to include subject line.)

Here’s a quick update on plans for this year’s Geography Awareness Week[1],
which kicks off on 17 Nov. This year’s theme is ‘The Future of Food’ and
we’re targeting colleges/university communities across the country to host
events. If you have an affiliation with a college/university and are
willing to serve as local coordinator for an event, please use the wiki
page[2] to

   1. Add yourself as coordinator, and
   2. Describe plans for your event.

This is a great opportunity for the OpenStreetMap community to foster
greater connections in the academic community to increase awareness of
OpenStreetMap both as a tool for geographic education, as well as social
science and community service.

Suggested activities include mapping groceries, farmers markets, community
gardens, food distribution centers, identification of food deserts. There
may also be things we can digitize for Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team or
US State Dept’s Mapgive. Your suggestions warmly welcomed.

Also, NGS has granted liberal use of their logos[3] for the event, so
please use them alongside OpenStreetMap logos in your promotional
materials.
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Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

[Steven Johnson]

+1 Hear, hear! Thank you, Robin for an eloquent response. 

--SEJ

Sent from my electronic tether. 

 On Oct 4, 2014, at 12:42, Robin Tolochko robin.toloc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I considered not running for the board because of the low number of edits 
 that I've done, but ultimately decided that I have a lot to contribute to OSM 
 in other ways. It is anyone's prerogative to not vote for someone while 
 taking edits into account, but I want to explain why I decided to run despite 
 my low number of edits.
 
 I recently moved back to the U.S. after living in Bogota, Colombia, for the 
 last four years. While living there, I used OSM data regularly in my job as a 
 cartographer at an NGO and ran OSM workshops for local university students. I 
 just moved to Madison, Wisconsin, where I am starting up a Maptime chapter 
 and plan to do an introduction to OSM as our first session. I have been 
 wanting to get more involved with OSM, and I realized that I could put my 
 community outreach and organizing to use by running for the board.
 
 As I and many other nominees stated, it's important to get new people 
 involved. But editing OSM can be quite intimidating to a new person, and I 
 would make it a priority to improve the on-ramp. I also think that we should 
 take advantage of existing learning networks, like universities, to spread 
 awareness of OSM and recruit more contributors. I know that these are 
 ambitious goals, and they may take more than a year, but those would be my 
 priorities on the board.
 
 I don't think it would be wise for the OSM U.S. board to be comprised 
 entirely of inexperienced mappers, but I think it could benefit from having 
 someone on board who brings a fresh perspective and could even be considered 
 an outsider. The future success of OSM, after all, depends on bringing more 
 outsiders into the fold. Also, I did not make the decision to run for board 
 lightly. I recognize that it would be a serious time and energy commitment, 
 but serving on the board would take advantage of my strengths to give back to 
 an organization that I deeply believe in.
 
 I'm happy to talk with anyone, so please feel free to reach out to me via 
 email or Twitter. 
 
 Saludos,
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[Talk-us] Mapathon, Washington, DC

[Steven Johnson]

For those of you in the Washington, DC area, we're having a mapathon this
Saturday (18 Oct). The crucial details here:
http://www.meetup.com/MappingDC/events/211868782/

This is the second event in our series of collaborations with DC Great
Streets program and local community development group, MOMIES TLC to map
the Atlas District/H Street NE corridor and hope to accomplish two things:
1) attract a larger number of young adults to the event, thanks for MOMIES
TLC
2) use Mapillary to capture street views of the H Street NE corridor

Hope to see you there,

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Re: [Talk-us] New I.D Feature

[Steven Johnson]

I share Sarah's skepticism about importing ZCTAs. ZCTAs are generalized
polygons created by the US Census Bureau and derived from *point* data
furnished by the US Postal Service. Given the variability of ZIP codes in
general, and the fact that OSM is two steps removed from the source data
makes ZCTAs problematic.

Likewise, postal cities are a fiction of the US Postal Service and in many
localities, bear little relation to the actual, legally recognized
administrative boundaries. Similarly, CDPs serve as a place name for named
places that typically have no boundary, e.g. Tysons Corner in suburban
Washington, DC. I can see CDPs imported into OSM before postal cities. The
CDPs have a regular and well-understood update cycle and a centroid. The
same cannot be said of postal cities and I think that trying to map ZIP to
city on a one-to-one basis is fraught with difficulty all the way round.

Sort of related to this: I gave a presentation at SotM-US in Portland where
I tried (with very modest success) to argue that our addr:* tagging scheme
is overloaded, making it difficult to search for the 'Stone Brook Drives',
to disambiguate directional prefixes/suffixes, and so on. Might be
worth talking about the general addressing scheme in the larger context of
addresses.



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On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:


 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Sarah Hoffmann lon...@denofr.de wrote:

 If I understand you right then the 'secondary cities' are
 the actual cities/towns/villages already mapped as either
 place nodes or administrative boundaries. Those are already
 used by Nominatim.

 So it seems the primary cities are what I was thinking of when
 referring to postal cities and they can actually be inferred
 from the postcode. If that is right, it should be somehow
 possible to add that concept to Nominatim. I'd have to give
 it a bit of thought.


 I think that might solve a problem with Census Designated Place, CDP. If
 the CDP has a different name than the postcode city, Nominatim might have a
 problem today.

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[Talk-us] Case studies for TeachOSM

[Steven Johnson]

Hello listers,

As some of you know, we recently launched the TeachOSM website[1] to
provide resources  for the TeachOSM initiative. Because the aim of TeachOSM
is to provide teachers and instructors with resources to teach basic
geography using the OpenStreetMap platform, we're looking for
1) People to 'test drive' the materials on the site and provide feedback,
and
2) Case studies from teachers and educators who have incorporated OSM in
the classroom

Please have a look at the site, take a look at the sample workflow, and
give us your feedback. Contact me offlist or send a note to
i...@teachosm.org

Thanks,

[1] http://teachosm.org/

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[Talk-us] Next DC Great Streets mapping party

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Happy 2015, mappers!

We're returning to Minnesota Ave for the first mapping party of the year.
I've reserved space at the Benning Rd Library from 1pm - 4pm on 24 January.
We'll be mapping local small businesses and neighborhood institutions, as
well as refining our photo survey techniques using Mapillary[1] to create
an up-to-date, open source street view.

As always, no experience necessary. Parents, bring your kids. Everybody,
bring your friends, your laptop, and dress for the weather. Hope to see you
there!

[1] http://mapillary.com/

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[Talk-us] Reminder: Minnesota Ave Mapping Party this weekend (24 Jan)

[Steven Johnson]

Hi all,
Just a timely reminder that we're returning to Minnesota Ave this weekend
to map POIs and conduct a street survey using Mapillary.


Please sign up here: http://www.meetup.com/MappingDC/events/219960381/

See you Saturday,

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

[Steven Johnson]

Hi Harald,
It's great to see more events like this popping up all over. Is it due to
the spring thaw? Or greater community interest?

Generally, your plan sounds good. A few points that may help:
* I'm a vocal proponent of using local libraries from start to finish for
these events as they provide a central point from which to operate. It
makes the field work much easier if you don't have to lug all your stuff.
Most libraries now allow patrons to bring their own coffee and snacks.

* The ratio of surveying-to-editing sounds about right (1 hr of surveying =
roughly 2 hrs of editing in OSM).

* Consider using Mapillary during your survey. Here's a case study[2] of
how we're using Mapillary to conduct street surveys here in WashDC. See
also how Elliot Plack did it in Baltimore[3].

* Other tools: clipboards  pens (for recording data on Field Papers), a
power strip (older libraries sometimes lack enough electrical outlets)

Hope the weather cooperates. Have fun,
SEJ


[1] http://mapillary.com
[2] http://teachosm.org/en/cases/DCGreatStreets_survey_casestudy/
[3] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ElliottPlack/diary/26065


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On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote:

 With help from the wonderful folks at Maptime Madison, we're planning on
 hosting the first Madison (Wisc.) mapping party on the Spring Mapathon
 weekend. Nobody involved has ever organized or even attended a mapping
 party, so we wouldn't mind some advice. From reading on the wiki and
 various user diaries, I've come up with the following rough plan:

 - Meet at coffee shop, distribute Field Papers maps of the area to be
 surveyed, GPSrs , cameras, calibrate camera clocks. Mention non-obvious
 things that can be mapped, e.g. diet, payment method, collection times,
 opening hours, backrests on benches.
 - Depending on the number of participants, start surveying all together or
 in groups of three to four people. Plan on about one hour of surveying.
 - Group works it way toward the final meeting point at the local public
 library. Have a least two hours to process data and get it into OSM.
 Laptops are available at the library.

 Does this sound reasonable? Anything else I should be thinking of?

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Re: [Talk-us] Removing a CDP

[Steven Johnson]

The nodes w/ place names are good to have to support a healthy gazetteer 
function. Much harder to make a case for keeping CDP boundaries. 

--SEJ

Sent from my electronic tether. 

 On 2015年5月19日, at 20:47, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:
 
 On 5/19/15 8:35 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:
 I would like to remove Machias, Washington admin_level  8 since it does not 
 exist as a city in Washington. It has been there for a number of years 
 apparently added by a bot. I plan to leave it as a CDP locality node. There 
 doesn't seem to be any chance that it will become a city and will most 
 likely be annex by Lake Stevens.
 
 Before I do I'd like to hear people opinion about deleting these 
 admin_level=8 for CDP boundaries. 
 i think deleting CDP boundaries that don't make any sense is not unreasonable.
 
 i've deleted a couple on that basis.
 
 also, the boundary import that brought in the CDPs is kind of out of date;
 the census bureau has updated quite a few of them, which i noticed while
 cleaning up borders in eastern NY. 
 
 they probably shouldn't be in an administrative boundary category anyway,
 as they don't have any sort of local governance function.
 
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Re: [Talk-us] Removing a CDP

[Steven Johnson]

Yes, U.S. Census Bureau treats them as statistical, not aim boundaries. 

--SEJ

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On 2015年5月19日, at 21:33, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote:

 On 5/19/15 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:
 they probably shouldn't be in an administrative boundary category anyway,
 as they don't have any sort of local governance function.
 
 Agreed, +1.  I've been similarly locally blurring out (away from importance 
 or relevance in OSM) and/or diminishing CDP boundaries as I do listen here.
 
 Many of these are in OSM yet they might be seen as they are, especially 
 as/when combined with administrative boundary.  In short, census delineations 
 are not administrative, rather, more like a statistical approximation.  What 
 that particular census formula purports to denote might be debated, though 
 that seems tedious.
 
 At a certain point we start to do cartwheels around Monte Carlo simulations 
 regarding Constitutional questions getting asked.  Let's check that and 
 continue.
 
 SteveA
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Re: [Talk-us] Examples of OSM used in school curriculum

[Steven Johnson]

Hi Ian,
In a word, yes. Start w/ the case studies on TeachOSM[1] and Shawn Goulet's
presentation at this year's SOTMUS. More tomorrow...


[1] http://teachosm.org

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On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everybody!

 I'm thinking about presenting OSM at a local STEM Education conference:

 http://vmi.edu/Conferences/STEM/Call_for_Presentations/

 I think I can sell OSM as a technically interesting and useful project,
 I'd love to be able to talk about examples (both successful and
 unsuccessful) of OSM's use in the classroom. Does anyone have any leads,
 ideas, or thoughts?

 Thanks!
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Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US chapter board elections

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Thank you, Paul & Henk and congratulations to the board. It's going to be a 
good year. 

--SEJ

Sent from my electronic tether. 

> On 2015年10月21日, at 17:28, Paul Norman  wrote:
> 
> As one of the independent scrutineers for the OSM US Election, I have 
> completed counting votes, and Ian Dees, Alex Barth, Alyssa Wright, Martijn 
> van Exel, and Drishtie Patel have been elected to the OpenStreetMap US board.
> 
> The full announcement with a table of numbers is at 
> https://openstreetmap.us/2015/10/election-results/. There were 165 responses, 
> but 8 uncompleted ballots for a total of 157 people voting.
> 
> Vote tallies were obtained from the online service used for votes. Voter 
> information was spot-checked against the membership list provided by 
> OpenStreetMap US.
> 
> An average of 4.28 votes were cast per completed ballot.
> 
> Thanks to everyone who ran and was involved in the election, including the 
> other scrutineer, Henk Hoff.
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

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Hi Frederik,
Thanks for the suggestion and I appreciate the distinction. Because this is
our first outing, we're sure that the badge will evolve and the
requirements are terminology will evolve with them.
Best,

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On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> wrote:

> Steven,
>
> On 11/17/2015 02:45 AM, Steven Johnson wrote:
> > Just in time for #OSMGeoweek, TeachOSM with support from Mapstory.org
> > and American Geographical Society, has released the first OpenStreetMap
> > Surveyor I badge.[1]
>
> It's a great idea to make badges but I have a very big PLEASE: please,
> could you reserve the word "surveyor" for people who actually, you know,
> survey something, as in going out with a measuring device or even just a
> notepad and getting their boots dirty?
>
> And if you give people a badge for digitzing something off of a picture
> someone else has taken, give that badge a different name than "Surveyor
> badge"?
>
> I'm looking forward to there being proper surveyor badges in the future
> where the proof is your GPX trace or the paper you scribbled on in the
> field ;)
>
> Bye
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Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

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Hi Simon,
The developers selected the Credly platform specifically so that the OSM
community is not in the business of collecting and managing personally
identifiable information (PII). Also, we're doing two things to insure
GeoBadges users understand terms and conditions of the badging process:

1. We're adding language to the 'About' section of the site to clarify the
relationship: *"**For GeoBadge earning and issuing, we work with the
Credly.com platform. Credly manages all earner-level data and security. By
partnering with Credly, we can help earners increase the impact of their
achievements by sharing it on social media platforms and connecting to
other digital badging projects that also use Credly. To learn more about
Credly, visit credly.com <http://credly.com/>.*

*GeoBadges complies with the COPPA and DCMA laws of the United States. Only
individuals age 13+ are eligible to earn GeoBadges. If any content on the
site seems inappropriate or out of compliance, please contact us
immediately at geobad...@americangeo.org <geobad...@americangeo.org>."*

2. We're removing the Grade 3-5 option, since clearly that would be
marketed to under 13.

Thanks for your concern. Hope I've addressed your question. Best regards,


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On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:

>
> I assume that you have got legal advice on the COPPA related consequences
> of your activities and are willing to share this with the OSMF?
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 17.11.2015 um 02:45 schrieb Steven Johnson:
>
> Hello list,
>
> Just in time for #OSMGeoweek, TeachOSM with support from Mapstory.org and
> American Geographical Society, has released the first OpenStreetMap
> Surveyor I badge.[1]
>
> The badge is aimed at the newest open mappers of any age and is awarded
> for successful acquisition of basic editing skills on OpenStreetMap. We
> envision this badge to be the first in a constellation of more specialized
> badges based on skill sets, domains, area knowledge, and so forth. For more
> info on the mechanics of GeoBadges, see the AGS blog post[2].
>
> We have a special deal during OSMGeoweek: Anyone who maps in any of the
> #100Mapathons, #MissingMaps, #PeaceCorps, or #HOT events during OSMGeoweek
> will be eligible to claim the badge. Just make sure to comment your
> changeset with one of the 2015 OSMGeoweek hashtags so we can find it.
>
> Happy Mapping, everyone...
>
> [1] http://bit.ly/1NAhybF
> [2] http://bit.ly/1Pwsi0G <https://t.co/nfsoqNYFvW>
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Re: [Talk-us] Map Roulette Idea - GNIS "parks"

[Steven Johnson]

+1 Great idea. I would think USGS might even be interested in some sort of
collaboration to clean up all the GNIS points.

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incomplete data.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:

> A subset of the the US Geographic Names Information System (GNIS) data was
> imported into OSM [2]. I have discovered a systematic error in the GNIS. In
> the US there are at least two different meanings for the word "park" when
> it comes to things we might map in OSM. The first is a recreational
> facility (leisure=park), the second is  “a broad, flat, mostly open area
> in a mountainous region"[1].  In many cases the GNIS classified features
> with "park" in their name as recreation facilities, when in fact they fit
> the second definition. For example:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/356504183.  Examining these features
> against the USGS topo maps usually makes their true classification obvious.
> What do you think about a Map Roulette challenge to fix these?
>
> Proposed selection criteria:
> * Part of original GNIS import.
> * No manual edits
> * Tagged leisure = park
> * Name contains "Park"
> * Name does not contain "national" "state", "county", "city" or
> "recreation" (these are likely to really be a recreation facilities).
>
> Map Roulette Instructions to Mappers:
> * Examine USGS topo maps for the area where the feature is located.
> * Examine Bing and/or other imagery
> * If not correct classification isn't clear from above sources, consult
> city and county websites to see if they have a recreation facility with the
> given name in the given location.
>
> Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a OSM tag to describe  “a broad,
> flat, mostly open area in a mountainous region", yet I feel that these
> names are important pieces of information that should be preserved in OSM.
> Does anyone have any suggestions? GNIS classifies these "parks" as "flats",
> but "flats" were not part of the import [3]
>
>
> Mike
>
> [1] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/park?s=t
>
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue
>
> [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/USGS_GNIS#Feature_Class
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Re: [Talk-us] what happened to Sacramento?

[Steven Johnson]

I just like the surprise way in which the issue was resolved. Good work all
around!

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On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Minh Nguyen 
wrote:

> Jack Burke  writes:
>
> >
> > You're not crazy. Just using the regular OSM website interface, I can
> find
> the city node, and the county boundary, but not a city boundary. AFAICT, it
> isn't a consolidated city-County, so it should exist.
>
> Looks like the original TIGER boundary way got deleted back in 2010, and I
> can't find any traces of ways that superseded it:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/4084221
>
> As a first step, I undeleted that way using Potlatch 1:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/33135846
>
> Now it needs to be turned into a relation and integrated with the adjacent
> boundary ways.
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Re: [Talk-us] Local OSM groups in the US

[Steven Johnson]

Dale & list,
TeachOSM has initiated a project with the US Census Bureau we've been
calling 'Missing America', dedicated to mapping those marginal areas and
vulnerable populations. We're just getting organized, but anticipate local
communities playing a part in both mapping as well as community
organization. Happy to chat more off list.

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While Missing Maps is mostly internationally focused we always hoped to
> support local OSM communities in the US. We would love to find more ways we
> can support the mapping of vulnerable populations in the US. I'd like to
> participate when you have your next call.
>
>
> Great initiative and I look forward to helping out.
>
> Dale
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:08 PM, Martijn van Exel <
> mart...@openstreetmap.us> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> Eleanor, Clifford and I started talking about ways to make local OSM
>> groups more successful, and / or how to support more of them. See our
>> meeting notes here if you are interested:
>> https://gist.github.com/mvexel/ffefcbf2c3012af51f16
>>
>> Currently we are compiling a list of local groups that are active. Here
>> is what we have right now (after only a bit of searching Meetup by Clifford)
>>
>> Bay Area OSMToronto OSM EnthusiastsOSM ColoradoOSM SeattleOSM Salt Lake
>> CityOSM Tampa BayPhoenix GeoOSM St. Louis Mid America MappersOSM
>> Southern CaliforniaOSM OttawaMapping DCOSM Kansas CityOSM VancouverMapGive
>> mapathon (DC)
>> Do you know of any others, please let us know! With a link / contact
>> person if possible.
>>
>> We will meet again in a couple of weeks. If you want to help think about
>> and work on ways to support local OSM groups, let us know and we will make
>> sure you get on the next call with us.
>>
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>> Martijn
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Re: [Talk-us] Local OSM groups in the US

[Steven Johnson]

Yes, I'm participating in the HOT Training WG to provide overlap & continuity. 
Thanks,

--SEJ

Sent from my electronic tether. 

> On 2016年1月12日, at 17:16, Ray Kiddy <r...@ganymede.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 1/12/16 5:23 AM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>> Dale & list,
>> TeachOSM has initiated a project with the US Census Bureau we've been 
>> calling 'Missing America', dedicated to mapping those marginal areas and 
>> vulnerable populations. We're just getting organized, but anticipate local 
>> communities playing a part in both mapping as well as community 
>> organization. Happy to chat more off list.
>> 
>> -- SEJ
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>> 
>> "Wretches, utter wretches, keep your hands off beans!" - v.141, On Nature, 
>> Empedocles
> 
> This sounds like a project that HOT would do also. Have you thought about 
> connecting to them, perhaps using their tools? It may help.
> 
> -  ray
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> While Missing Maps is mostly internationally focused we always hoped to 
>>> support local OSM communities in the US. We would love to find more ways we 
>>> can support the mapping of vulnerable populations in the US. I'd like to 
>>> participate when you have your next call.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Great initiative and I look forward to helping out.
>>> 
>>> Dale
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:08 PM, Martijn van Exel 
>>> <mart...@openstreetmap.us> wrote:
>>>> Hi all, 
>>>> Eleanor, Clifford and I started talking about ways to make local OSM 
>>>> groups more successful, and / or how to support more of them. See our 
>>>> meeting notes here if you are interested: 
>>>> https://gist.github.com/mvexel/ffefcbf2c3012af51f16 
>>>> 
>>>> Currently we are compiling a list of local groups that are active. Here is 
>>>> what we have right now (after only a bit of searching Meetup by Clifford)
>>>> 
>>>> Bay Area OSM
>>>> Toronto OSM Enthusiasts
>>>> OSM Colorado
>>>> OSM Seattle
>>>> OSM Salt Lake City
>>>> OSM Tampa Bay
>>>> Phoenix Geo
>>>> OSM St. Louis Mid America Mappers
>>>> OSM Southern California
>>>> OSM Ottawa
>>>> Mapping DC
>>>> OSM Kansas City
>>>> OSM Vancouver
>>>> MapGive mapathon (DC)
>>>> Do you know of any others, please let us know! With a link / contact 
>>>> person if possible.
>>>> 
>>>> We will meet again in a couple of weeks. If you want to help think about 
>>>> and work on ways to support local OSM groups, let us know and we will make 
>>>> sure you get on the next call with us.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, 
>>>> Martijn
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for dealing with old TIGER tags?

[Steven Johnson]

I typically correct the geometry and delete the 'TIGER:reviewed=no', but
leave the rest because I'm superstitious...

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On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Russell Deffner 
wrote:

> Hi Kevin, I'll try to add some context. Here's a neat use for the new OSM
> Analytics tool developed by HOT:
> http://osm-analytics.org/#/compare/polygon:~lwbS}lpoFipQYwJawGbnQxD/2008...now/highways
>
> If you don't see 'blue' roads, zoom in until you do and then swipe
> left/right - you can see the original TIGER roads were 'relatively
> accurate', i.e. you can follow X road, turn left on Y, etc, etc. but
> position and geometry is 'horrible'. And yes, there's many 'ghost roads',
> etc. which maybe once was a track that the power company or someone used to
> 'get back into the woods/cut-across/etc.' but are not 'roads' as the
> average reasonable person would consider. Definitely take a look at
> Wandcrest Park for a 'what the heck happened there' that took a drive back
> in there to figure out.
>
> FYI, of course anyone is welcome to critique (and several have) my 'home
> area'; i.e. I realized from day 1 I would probably be one of, if not the
> only, OSM-er in Park County, Colorado:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/439376 - I am basically working it
> from north to south, but as Wolfgang said - some of the things/ways I
> mapped early on, I do very differently now and it will forever be a work in
> progress. One of those things was my first focus was on cleaning up road
> geometry; so no, I didn't add surface or smoothness, etc. tags. Around here
> I can show you a paved road that you might not want to drive your
> high-clearance vehicle down, and a dirt road that people drive their
> low-clearance 'race cars' down at high speeds. Point being, it's not a
> 'simple' equation to show 'quality' of roads.
>
> =Russ
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Re: [Talk-us] New MapRoulette now in early public beta

[Steven Johnson]

Martijn & all,
This is just an awesome tool and it keeps getting better. A happy
by-product of this: I'm finding this particular challenge useful in
cleaning up road misalignments left over from the 2008 import of TIGER. So
great to see this re-deployed. Thanks to you and the team.
Cheers,

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On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> Excellent, Steve. I am so glad you like it!
> As I mentioned in my announcement, the metrics part will still see
> significant expansion, so keep an eye out for new ways to slice and dice
> the data.
> Martijn
>
> > On May 26, 2016, at 10:53 AM, OSM Volunteer stevea <
> stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote:
> >
> > Martijn, the new MapRoulette is FANTASTIC!  I used the old one quite a
> bit, but I was amazed at how “drop dead easy” this new version is.  In
> fact, sort of by stumbling around and trying to figure it out, I did figure
> it out and before you know it (just a couple of minutes, really) I had
> completed several challenges.  Now THAT how good software should work!
> >
> > I especially like the “Metrics” feature, we see how quickly (or perhaps
> how “wrongly” or “more difficultly”) any particular challenge is going.
> Nothing like instant feedback!
> >
> > I might have more to say about this as I continue to play around with
> it, and indeed “play” is how this feels:  bravo!
> >
> > SteveA
> > California
> >
> >
> >> On May 26, 2016, at 5:00 AM, talk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote:
> >>
> >> Re: [Talk-us] New MapRoulette now in early public beta
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Re: [Talk-us] highway=service + landuse=residential

[Steven Johnson]

More suited to planimetrics than transportation.

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On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:20 PM, David Chiles  wrote:

> both the use of landuse=residential overall and highway=service for foot
> paths are a bit strange.
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Clifford Snow 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting - mapping curb to curb. I doubt it could be used for routing
>> but it sure renders [1] nice.
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/38868796#map=18/34.15966/-117.41187
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think this is a great combination of tags?
>>>
>>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/gNy
>>>
>>> Ideas? Is this mapper on this list?
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[Talk-us] Map St Lucia

[Steven Johnson]

Hi all,

The government of St Lucia is sponsoring their first ever Map St Lucia day
on 28 February. To encourage greater mapping activity in the Caribbean and
to support this emerging community, we'd like to encourage mappers with an
interest in the Caribbean basin to participate. TeachOSM will be supporting
the event live in Castries to offer training and technical support.

There are some efforts underway now to organize mapathons to support the
effort. If you're interested in organizing one, please let me know
(off-list) so I can add it to the list.

I'll send along updates as they occur. Happy mapping,

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Re: [Talk-us] DOT construction updates

[Steven Johnson]

+1.5 for the maproulette suggestion. 

--SEJ

Sent from my electronic tether. 

> On 2016年3月16日, at 19:47, Charlotte Wolter  wrote:
> 
> Martijn,
> 
> The Arizona Dept. of Transportation (ADOT, www.azdot.gov) has 
> extensive information on both proposed and completed projects, sometimes with 
> photos. Seems like a good resource.
> These could make good Mapoulette challenges.
> 
> --C
> 
> 
> At 11:20 AM 3/16/2016, you wrote:
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I was thinking about a good way for the community to get a feed of 
>> construction updates from state DOTs. Has anyone ever attempted this? A good 
>> start should be a list of state DOTs (I found 
>> http://www.dot.state.ak.us/transpo_resources.shtml, not sure if it's 100% 
>> current). But where to go from there? Every state DOT has its own mechanism 
>> / format to distribute updates. Do they all have an RSS feed? Or twitter?
>> At this point I am just curious to hear if anyone else has thought about 
>> this already and if so what you have come up with so far.
>> (What triggered this again for me: I heard someone mention that the work on 
>> the I-96/US-23 interchange in Michigan was complete, but could not find any 
>> confirmation. See this pretty cool video from MDOT for what they are doing 
>> there: https://Martijnyoutu.be/K9wQoIc2cLc?t=75.) The situation on OSM 
>> reflects the pre-construction reality —> 
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/359765#map=15/42.5227/-83.7526 )
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Re: [Talk-us] Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest (landuse=forest and US National forests again)

[Steven Johnson]

> does the landuse=forest assignment make sense on the National Forest
boundary,

No. The boundary indicated USNF ownership, not landuse/landcover.

or should it be on the forested areas within?

Yes, that's a more appropriate use for that tag.

Similar situation exists in the George Washington Natl Forest.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/38.8777/-78.4453 The boundaries here
represent the Lee Ranger district (an internal USFS admin boundary) do not
reflect surface ownership. I get why it's so ambiguous, but the boundaries
should reflect ownership on the ground.

Some efforts have made to import US Forest Service data:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Forest_Service_Data#National_Forest_Boundaries
Still much to be done. If there is interest, we should take the discussion
to the OSM-US slack, #imports channel.

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On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> I commented on http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/43314846 a few days
> ago - does landuse=forest really make sense there?
>
> For more details on the relation see http://www.openstreetmap.org/r
> elation/1447414#map=15/47.9626/-120.2074 and
> http://osm.mapki.com/history/relation.php?id=1447414 .
>
> All I know of the area is"lots of parts of it do have lots of trees", but
> does the landuse=forest assignment make sense on the National Forest
> boundary, or should it be on the forested areas within?  I mention this
> here rather because I'm sure there are people here familiar with the area,
> which I'm not.
>
> Cheers,
>
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