Re: Filtering [ was Re: Becky 2.05 V The Bat]

[Syafril Hermansyah]

On  Thu,  27  Jun 2002 at 07:51:19 GMT -0500 (27/06/2002 19:51 where you
think  I  live)  "Allie  C  Martin"=[ACM] wrote to Syafril Hermansyah on
TBBETA :

> Probably. But isn't this a comparison of Becky and TB!? :-)

No,  I  have  change  the subject before reply your posting (look above)
he...he...he...

> Also, I run Windows and not Linux/Unix. I'm quite convinced that I'm
> using the best solution that is available for Windows if you require a
> powerful, robust, flexible and configurable client.

Granted!

Sypheed  for  windows32  still  in  alpha state take a lot of resources,
sylpheed cygwin run much better but some features still not working well
:-(
Sylpheed will be challenger of TB! in the future (fast development, rich
feature and don't forget it is GPL License).

SH>> IMHO  Mail  Ticker  and  Template in TB! are the two beeing
SH>> discuss as a dream  in  linux  MUA.

> Can't do without them now. :-)

Ugh...ugh :-)

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Filtering [ was Re: Becky 2.05 V The Bat]

[Syafril Hermansyah]

On  Thu,  27  Jun 2002 at 05:21:11 GMT -0500 (27/06/2002 17:21 where you
think I live) "Allie C Martin"=[ACM] wrote to Daniel Hirning on TBBETA :

> I've been spoilt though and enjoy TB!'s superior filtering.

If  you everlook how Evolution or Sylpheed-claws filter (don't mentioned
about  procmail,  it  is  the top one but difficult for newbie) you will
feel different :-)

IMHO  Mail  Ticker  and  Template in TB! are the two beeing discuss as a
dream  in  linux  MUA.  I have trying to simulate Mail Ticker using bash
script  as hint by someone on Sylpheed list, but I am too stupid to make
it work :-(
Editor   is   another   one, but we have some alternative using external
editor such vim or emacs, no problem.


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Re: Let's Talk about the Next version

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:17:00 +0700 "Thomas F." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> What is SAN Storage Disk?

RAID Disk connected via network (Fiber Optic or others), that way all
servers can share same disk.


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Re: Let's Talk about the Next version [Re: Becky 2.05 V The Bat]

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On   Wed, 26 Jun 2002  at  11:28:45 GMT +0200 (26/06/2002 16:28
where you think I live) "Miguel A. Urech"=[MAU] wrote to Syafril Hermansyah :

>> Well...how  if  we  discuss about next version of TB!, talking about :

> What about making TB! fully MAPI compliant?

Can you elaborate more details ?
Does TB! already have MAPI support ?

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Re: Let's Talk about the Next version [Re: Becky 2.05 V The Bat]

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On   Wed, 26 Jun 2002  at  17:31:19 GMT +0900 (26/06/2002 15:31
where you think I live) "Yuki Taga"=[YT] wrote to Syafril Hermansyah :

SH>> - News Reader   Do we need separate program

> Separate or none, is my vote.

Okay, let's see what others thinking first :-)

How about your concern of Double Byte Character set support ?

I  myself  not  read/compose CJK character set but my sister did, when I
receive  such  message I forward to her for translation , and the bad
things I can not use TB! for this, it breaks somethings so my sister can
not read it well on her mailer.

Sylpheed  has  nice  features  for this, it can convert 2-byte to 1-byte
characterset or leave as is using "cell characterset " (I don't know the
equvalence  of this type of characterset in Windows, it is not monospace
an  sich  but  work  just like monospace, means using this the automatic
wordwrap in my mailer work just like using monospace character set).


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Re: Becky 2.05 V The Bat

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On Wednesday 26 June 2002 01:55, Tony Boom wrote:

> T> This may indeed be true, but would you care to elaborate?
>
>   Not sure where to start really. I can only speak about the requirements
>   and facilities I want from a client and It's mainly in the filtering
>   area that Becky falls way behind TB.

Yeah everyone having their main concern :-)

For me, Becky! makes me not productive every morning, because the POP 
retrieval message not multi threaded nor pipelining. Everymorning when arrive 
in office I get at least 1000 messages, while downloading Becky! will wait 
till all messages finish to download before starting filter process then new 
messages comes up in folder, hence I can not start to response any new 
message.

While at home, I check mail every 3-days sometimes 6-days, this more worst 
because I must start download Friday night and can using it Saturday morning.
I have compare the speed of download while using TB! 1.53d (dial up connection 
33 Kbps, around 7500 messages, 15 MB size), Becky lag around 50 messages per 
half hours compare to TB!, no wonder I feel not productive using Becky! at 
home :-(

>   Becky may be perfect for you depending on what you want from it. For me
>   though it's worse than useless.

:-)

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Re: Re[2]: Bug: SMTP dialog

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On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:02:46 +0600 Alexander Leschinsky
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> MS> So why the difference? 
> Bercause any from named MUA use delirium (sic!) as EHLO parameter, The
> Bat _tries_ to be RFC-compliant, and got  from
> stupid, lame, suxx 2000

If you want to know what correct HELO/EHLO commands, you can see RFC-2821
sections 4.1.1.1, in short there are 2 type HELO/EHLO command accepted by
MTA while asking Identity of sender :
1. Valid (as registered on DNS Server) FQDN host name
2. Address Literal [ ip address ]

According me TB! already use correct way in this regard, i.e. if user smart
enough to setting correct tcp/ip setting, TB! issue HELO FQDN_host, while he
is idiot or novice user, TB! issue HELO ip-address. Both are accepted per
RFC2821 (see also my previous mail about testing by my technicians at
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Re: RITlabs wake up!

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:01:00 -0700 Nick Andriash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > Don't work for Ritlabs but the current version release is 1.60h and
> > is an official release.
> 
> Problem is... it's a buggy version and should never have been
> released.

I have problem with %date macro, the name of day (Indonesian name of
day) not comes up with 1.60, no problem with %dateen.

Anyone who use local country have same problem ?


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Re: List footer (was Re: QP, 8 bit, sig delimiter, huh?)

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On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:25:49 + Marck D Pearlstone
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> > I agree for TBBETA, but TBTECH seems like TBUDL conditions.
> 
> I've actually removed it for all lists once I saw how much better it
> works - especially with the 1.60 change to recognize (and cut to) only
> the final signature marker in a message.

Never mind we can go ahead, later *if* the condition need it we can add it
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Re: List footer (was Re: QP, 8 bit, sig delimiter, huh?)

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On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:07:02 + Marck D Pearlstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] aka, Syafril, Flash and myself. I
> would change it right now, but the server isn't responding on the
> Admin channel. Syafril? You there?

Sorry I have been sick since Monday night, wake up from bed yesterday night :-(
 
> IOW I agree that on TBBETA and TBTECH the extra delimiter is
> superfluous. Perhaps it would be better to leave it there on TBUDL
> since that list is often written to by newcomers less familiar with
> the use of cut marks. Unless y'all think otherwise...

I agree for TBBETA, but TBTECH seems like TBUDL conditions.

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Re: To Rar or Not Rar

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:31:44 +0200
Stefan Tanurkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> D>   just a small compact thought. In saving bandwith, how much did we
> save in D>   discussing to Rar3 or Rar2;)
> 
>  In reality, it is about 200M bytes a day - I've just checked the Web
>  site log :-)  Not bad...

I never download through web/http, always use ftp :-)
Maybe later we can try *.tar.bz2 :-)

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Re: List Reply [ was Re: TB! quality (was: Re: 1.54 Beta/46)]

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On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:37:02 +
Marck D Pearlstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > After discussion, we found the culprit is my default account profile
> > in TB!, i.e I put Reply-To:  = From: . They (SF
> > list member) correct with their statement that Reply-To: 
> > should keep empty and only use for special purpose/reason.
> 
> Interesting that you should say that. I deliberately blanked mine and
> have kept them that way for the last two years.

My stupid, due I never have problem or complaint so far :-)
Next 1 hours after we discuss in Sylpheed-claws list, new patch coming
for removing reply-to field from account properties, very fast response
for valid bug/complaint, I very surprise.

Later I will tell to this list how sylpheed developer solve problem
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Re: wishes about Mail Ticker

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On  Mon,  10 Dec 2001 at 14:15:58 GMT -0600 (11/12/2001 3:15 where you
think I live) "Boris Golberg"=[BG] wrote to Syafril Hermansyah :

SH>> after I click one of
SH>> this message then all new ticker message will view on message list
SH>> (have you activate message list view ?).
BG>   I probably haven't. What is this? 8-)

This making all new ticker message view/listed.
Try  as  follow: if your mail ticker comes up, select/double click it,
then  you  will  view  one  message  only,  go to View Menu and select
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Re: Click "From" field marked or not ?

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On  Tue,  4  Dec 2001 at 16:37:42 GMT +0100 (which was 12/4/2001 10:37
PM) "Martin Schoch"=[MS] wrote to Syafril Hermansyah :

SH>> On  Tue,  4 Dec 2001 at Tue, 4 Dec 2001 GMT +0100 (which was 12/4/2001
MS> ^^^
MS> bug or feature :-) should be time!

Regex Typo, Fixed he..he..he..

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Re: Beta 10 / 10e

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On  Wed, 14 Nov 2001 at 10:50:40 GMT + (14/11/2001 17:50 where you
think I live) "Leslie Costar"=[LC] wrote to Leslie Costar :

LC> What is the difference please ?

At  least  more slow when POPing up messages from Server, others : the
font  at  "original  text  pane"  (while reply) more big size than the
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Re: Downloading mail - suggestion

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Hi All,

On  Fri, 5 Oct 2001 at 02:03:02 GMT +0800 (10/5/2001 1:03 AM GMT +0700
where you think I live) "Thomas F"=[TF] typed the following :

[ ... ]

TF> Ok, so I need to set "Leave" in order to not get the dupes?

I think so because only on this mode TB! will use UIDL approach.

TF> I  don't  use  a  crappy  dial-up network connection (C-DUN, as my
TF> previous  abbreviation  CDU  is  the  same as a political party in
TF> Germany  and  has  been critisised) now, so I cannot at the moment
TF> replicate  it.  But leaving the messages on the server in order to
TF> not get the dupes sounds to me like a work-around.

The   downside   is   if   later   you   change to normal mode (delete
messages after download), you will get duplicate :-(

TF> Maybe  someone else, who supports Silviu's suggestion as well, can
TF> help out here.

Till  now,  I  really  like the way MDaemon DomainPOP Engine to handle
this stuff :
- at  first,  MDaemon  will issue UIDL (instead of STAT as TB! did on
  normal mode), to get all message-id already on POPmailbox, then keep
  this on temporary file for the record.
- After that, MDaemon will download as normal.
- If  at  any  reason the internet connection failed, next connection
  MDaemon  issue  UIDL  command  again, but before downloading MDaemon
  will check/compare to previous record.
  If  the  record  match,  MDaemon  will  not redownload the messages,
  instead he re-issue DELE command for those messages.

Note:  STAT  is  old  fashioned POP protocol command, nowadays I never
find any POPServer not support UIDL command.

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Re: Duplicate messages [was: Re[2]: Whishlist: TheBat for Linux :)]

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Hi All,

On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 at 12:13:44 GMT +0200 (9/19/2001 5:13 PM GMT +0700
where you think I live) "Peter Palmreuther"=[PP] typed the following :

PP> Tamas . Wallner @ eth . ericsson . se on TBBETA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Yupe, same here.

PP> I think Allie must have received _a lot_ of bounces :-) (at least 10-11 ?)
PP> :-)

I think so...from his own MTA ^_-

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reply without quotation

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello tbbeta list member,

I don't understand what's the purpose of Reply without quotation
(Shift-F4) ?

IMHO, Reply without Prefix more useable for me (if any).

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Re: TB! and AV

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Hello Marck D Pearlstone,

On  Sun,  9 Sep 2001 at 15:29:59 GMT +0100 (which was 9/9/2001 9:29 PM
where you think I live) you told to the list :

SH>> On my PC at home, I have Pegasus, Eudora, Outlook and many others,
SH>> but they  can  running  well  (without  making  explorer.exe  take
SH>> 34% CPU resources).

> Another thought arises... TB tries to open THEBAT.IPC file in the .exe
> home folder repeatedly looking for automatic control commands - could
> that be anything to with the issue do you think?

I don't know; I will try reinstall AVG but I forgot that my license on
office archive :-(

SH>> Kapersky  AV  seems having more sensible engine,

> I'm going to take a look at that - as soon as I can find a link for
> it.

http://www.avp.ch

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Address Book Macro

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Hello tbbeta,

I am not remember if we already have Address Book Macro which refer to
specific address book (not default address book) ?

I want to create special Address Book, such "List Manager", in which
all of List Template refer to this address book, while the default AB
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Re: TB! and AV

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Hello Marck D Pearlstone,

On  Sun, 9 Sep 2001 at 11:06:01 GMT +0100 (which was 9/9/2001
5:06 PM where you think I live) you told to the list :

> I run AVG and can see zero CPU / resource overhead in task manager but
> I don't use it for mail scanning. Do you?

Yes I do.

> Is that the missing link?

On my PC at home, I have Pegasus, Eudora, Outlook and many others, but
they  can  running  well  (without  making  explorer.exe  take 34% CPU
resources).

> If  not,  I  have  no  idea.  As you say, the guys at Grisoft use TB
> themselves. Have you written to them about it?

No, not yet, I juts found last night.
I will write  message to them, thanks to remind me.

> IMHO mail scanning at source is a *bad* idea because of the frequency
> with which I have seen false positives. Attachments are vital to the
> way I work and I *hate* losing any :-).

> I  keep  attachments  in  message bodies and can usually recognize a
> virus  visually. I use AVG to find out what the virus actually is by
> saving it to a scratch folder. AVG always bleats and stops me. As it
> would if I was ever silly enough as to try to run a virus.

Kapersky  AV  seems having more sensible engine, even I set attachment
on  message bodies, it can detect it and report (note: only report, no
take  any  action,  this is mentioned on help). If I put attachment on
separate  directory, he will desinfect or take other action just after
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Re: Remove

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Nick Andriash,

On Sat, 08 Sep 2001 at 22:31:53 GMT -0700 (which was 9/9/2001 12:31 PM
where you think I live) you told to the list :

> Actually,  there  *are*  Mailing Lists that recognise "Unsubscribe",
> "Help",  and  "Remove" on the Subject line and addressed to the List
> itself.

I  know  ...  but  the  current  version  already  equip  with menu to
unsubscribe  from  the  list (ML support menu), and all mail from this
list  always  have  footer and RFC-2822 header to unsubscribe from the
list.   The   instruction   to   do   unsubscribe   also   on  Welcome
Message...isn't it more than enough ?

Should we put the instruction on top of message ?

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Re: Remove

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Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],

On  Sun, 9 Sep 2001 at 12:57:42 GMT +0700 (which was 9/9/2001 12:57 PM
where you think I live) you told to the list :

>> BTW.  I  have  set  Administrative  via  Regex  to recognize "remove",
>> "unsubscribe" etc on firstline of body text then route to List Owner, but
>> never think someone will put it on Subject :-(

> listar SHOULD recognize this administrivia-regexp on the subject
> line too.

> are you sure you already set 'remove' as a taboo word on THIS list?
> (it should not included by default, as you already know).

I think I already did...on tbudl.
I always think tbbeta member will not doing that...I will amde the
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Re: Remove

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Nick Andriash,

On  Sat, 08 Sep 2001 at 22:31:53 GMT -0700 (which was 9/9/2001
12:31 PM where you think I live) you told to the list :

> Hello Syafril Hermansyah,

> On Saturday, September 08 2001 at 09:40 PM PDT, you wrote:

>> It's  remember  me  how  Steve  Lamb  hate  "idiot  proof", perhaps he
>> right...so better the developer focus on productive things such fixing
>> bugs than new idiot proof :-)

> Syafril... ... the fellow is not an idiot. Actually, there *are*
> Mailing Lists that recognise "Unsubscribe", "Help", and "Remove" on the
> Subject line and addressed to the List itself. 




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Re: ISO-8859-15 for TB!?!

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Hi All,

On  Fri,  7 Sep 2001 at 12:25:35 GMT +0100 (9/7/2001 6:25 PM GMT +0700
where you think I live) "David Elliott"=[DE]typed the following :

SH>> If anyone else also need it, I can put on ftp site then.

DE> I have put it on my server now

DE> http://www.elliott.uk.com/Srvpack/

After  update,  on my TB! now having additional Font, i.e Andele Mono.
and the euro font look as expected.
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Re: ISO-8859-15 for TB!?!

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Hi All,

On  Fri, 7 Sep 2001 at 12:25:35 GMT  +0100 (9/7/2001 6:25 PM GMT +0700
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DE> I have put it on my server now

DE> http://www.elliott.uk.com/Srvpack/

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Re: ISO-8859-15 for TB!?!

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Hi All,

On  Fri, 7 Sep 2001 at 10:55:33 GMT  +0100 (9/7/2001 4:55 PM GMT +0700
where you think I live) "David Elliott"=[DE]typed the following :

DE> I have the patch as well as most of the others. (They come on PC PRO Cover
DE> DVD in this country). This patch is about 2.2Mb. If you want it I can sent
DE> to to you (off list).

Thanks, will wait.
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Re: ISO-8859-15 for TB!?!

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Hi All,

On  Fri,  7 Sep 2001 at 10:15:00 GMT +0200 (9/7/2001 3:15 PM GMT +0700
where you think I live) "Markus Kachel"=[MK]typed the following :

MK> That is correct. Win95 doesn't know the Euro sign, there are Patches
MK> for WinNT and Win98. So it is not a problem of The Bat!

Would you please give us the link ?

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Hi All,

On  Thu, 6 Sep 2001 at 11:44:23 GMT +0200 (9/6/2001 4:44 PM GMT +0700
where you think I live) "David van Zuijlekom"=[DvZ]typed the following :

ST>> [+] RFC 2369 Mailing List support (Specials|Mailing List)

DvZ> Why is this option blanket-out and what is it for?

Because I didn't activate RFC2369 header on TBBETA yet.

View any message on tbudl list, you will see the difference :-)


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Re: 1.54 Beta/8

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Hi All,

On  Thu,  6 Sep 2001 at 12:37:40 GMT +0300 (9/6/2001 4:37 PM GMT +0700
where you think I live) "Stefan Tanurkov"=[ST]typed the following :

ST>  1.54 Beta/8 is now available, the direct download URL is

ST> [+] RFC 2369 Mailing List support (Specials|Mailing List)

Yihaa...at last :-)

Well I think better to activate RFC2369 header on tbbeta as tbudl.

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Re: html that crash TB154b7

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Hi All,

On  Tue, 4 Sep 2001 at 13:16:48 GMT +0200 (CEST) (9/4/2001 6:16 PM GMT
+0700 where you think I live) "Marek Mikus"=[MM]typed the following :

>> DH> BTW, with so many fixes for the last three weeks, when are we to
>> DH> expect the next beta?

>> Ok, wait some hours.

> how many? :-)

Should I change the footer to 1.54 Beta/8 in advance ^_^ ?

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Re: List down ?

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hi Martin,

On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 at 13:30:02 GMT +0200 (8/29/2001 6:30 PM GMT +0700
where you think I live) "Martin Schoch"=[MS]typed the following :

> Yes, the message about SPAM came back to me two times.

Seems the message not sending twice by Listserver, but you sending it
twice on purpose,  look at this :

> 1st time header

> X-Track: 1: 40

this is yahoo internal loop detector.

> Received: from home.worldless.net (203.130.233.9)
>   by mta460.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2001 00:24:30 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=home.worldless.net)
> by home.worldless.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2001)
> id 15bzYO-0005QU-00; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:14:24 +0700
 
 this queue-id of my MTA.

> Received: from [216.136.173.30] (helo=smtp010.mail.yahoo.com)
> by home.worldless.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2001)
> id 15bzYK-0005QO-00
 
 this is queue-id of yahoo.com

> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:14:21 +0700
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  ^
  your message-id

> And second time header:

> X-Track: 4: 40
  ^^
  yahoo said this message looping 4 times.

> Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=home.worldless.net)
> by home.worldless.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2001)
> id 15c1nU-0006yz-00; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:38:08 +0700
 
 if the list resending, this queu-id must same as above

> Received: from [216.136.173.32] (helo=smtp012.mail.yahoo.com)
> by home.worldless.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2001)
> id 15c1nQ-0006yt-00
  ^^
  if yahoo resending, this id must same as above (first
  header)

> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  ^
  if you only send once, this must the same as above

> Perhaps you see the difference - but as said, I sent the message
> _once_ to the list.

Ghost :-)

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Re: List down ?

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Hi All,

On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 at 13:30:02 GMT +0200 (8/29/2001 6:30 PM GMT +0700
where you think I live) "Martin Schoch"=[MS]typed the following :

SH>> Pardon ? Can you explain more details, please ?

> Yes, the message about SPAM came back to me two times.

> 1st time header

> X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via web11006; 29 Aug 2001 00:25:07 -0700 (PDT)
> Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> X-Track: 1: 40
> And second time header:

> X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via web11007; 29 Aug 2001 04:18:27 -0700 (PDT)
> Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> X-Track: 4: 40

> Perhaps you see the difference - but as said, I sent the message
> _once_ to the list.

I know, sounds like Time Out problem that make Exim resending due not
receiving OK sign (Acknowledge) from yahoo.com
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Re: List down ?

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Hi All,

On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 at 11:46:17 GMT +0200 (8/29/2001 4:46 PM GMT +0700
where you think I live) "Martin Schoch"=[MS]typed the following :

MS>> Not only messages - SPAM too...

> ... an sent messages showing up two times...

Pardon ? Can you explain more details, please ?

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Re[2]: New mail server from RITLabs

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Hello Avenarius,

Friday,   August   10,   2001,   10:02:49  PM,  you  wrote  to  Thomas
F<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

MDP>>> It  may  be  that  dutaint is being selective - if RDNS doesn't
MDP>>> quite pan out, the messages may be bouncing. Just a thought.

TF>> Syafril,  do  you  know about bounces in realtion to batpost.com?
TF>> Maybe reverse lookup does work or so?

I check from here, the Reverse Lookup seems Ok, and IIRC I didn't
activate Reserver Lookup on my Server.
But I am activate MAPS-ORDB and MAPS-ORBL and Osiris-List_check, if
the sender listed there, my server will reject it.

What's the error ?

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Re: "Leave messages on server" strange behavior

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Hello Peter Gannushkin,

On  Wed,  6 Jun 2001 at 00:20:54 GMT -0400 (which was 06/06/2001 11:20
GMT   +0700   my   Local   Time)   "Peter  Gannushkin"=[PG]  wrote  to
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PG>   I noticed that this option works pretty weird:

PG>   1. Messages are deleted according on days, but not on hours. It
PG>   means that TB! deletes messages at the first mail check after
PG>   midnight, but not 24* hours after the message was
PG>   created or received.

PG>   2. If the mail was not checked for several days, then TB! will
PG>   delete really old messages at the first mail check after midnight of
PG>   the next day after the day I started to check mail. For example if I
PG>   have this option set to 1 day, and I didn't check mail for a week,
PG>   then the day I'll start to check mail TB! won't delete anything from
PG>   mail box and I'll have hundreds of messages. But on the next day it
PG>   will delete all the messages except ones from that day.

I  think  this  is  by  design,  but  I agree "Counting by hours" more
preferable, but to do that TB! *must* preserve his own UIDL.DAT.

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Re: The Bat! - suggestions

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Hello David Elliott,

On  Tue,  5  Jun 2001 at 20:54:28 GMT +0100 (which was 06/06/2001 2:54
GMT +0700 my Local Time) "David Elliott"=[DE] wrote to RITLABS :

DE> Problem

DE> Whenever I start up The Bat! it always asks me if I want to associate .eml
DE> files with The Bat!. This appears to be a feature of my setup and Service
DE> Pack 2.

DE> There is a feature I would like to see in your program:

DE> Can you set an option to associate all files selected with The Bat!
DE> silently so that I do not get asked every time I start The Bat!.

Weird,  it  happens to me only once, the first time install or upgrade
The Bat!.
Are you touch any registry ?

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Re: It's the normal behaviour - although very wrong, IMHO.

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Hello MaXxX,

On  Wed, 30 May 2001 at 09:31:25 GMT +0200 (which was 30/05/2001 14:31
GMT +0700 my Local Time) "MaXxX"=[M] wrote to A Curtis Martin :

>> For e-mail addresses clicked on within e-mail message bodies, a new
>> message will be created using the templates of the folder in which the
>> message resides.

M> Wrong  again.  Suppose  a user clicks someone's e-mail address in a
M> folder in which they have a folder template. The result is that the
M> new  message  is  addressed to both the folder template's recipient
M> and  the  clicked  one.  Again, I wonder, WHO would want the folder
M> templates to be used when clicking a [EMAIL PROTECTED] clickable e-mail
M> address??  This  is  just  plain  dangerous,  and  with no real use
M> whatsoever.

Agree.

M> Anyway,  I opt for using the default templates ALWAYS when invoking
M> a  mailto:  URL or a clickable e-mail address in a message. WITHOUT
M> the folder templates used.

I second that.

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Re: The Bat! - suggestions : List Response/Reply

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello David Elliott,

On  Wed, 30 May 2001 at 08:32:00 GMT +0100 (which was 30/05/2001 14:32
GMT  +0700  my  Local  Time)  "David  Elliott"=[DE]  wrote  to Syafril
Hermansyah on TBBETA :


>> Description :
>> List Reply will overwrite default Reply Template : *no* Reply Counter,
>> *not use* FROM Name and *not use* Quote Style.

DE> I have created a group in my address book to take care of this with AB
DE> templates.

You stripping out my quote :-) :

SH> ...for  TB!  Expert  will  have  no  problem  to  change the Template
SH> following Mailing List rule, but TB! newbie...

IMHO,  if   newbie  using  TB!  for  List  Posting,  and they get "bad
impression"  or  bashing  by  other  member, perhaps they will not try
anymore.
You are expert user :-)

and you strip this :

SH>   I  noticed  that Reply Counter giving Thread Problem for some Mailer
SH>   (such  Pegasus  3.x),  FROM  Name also give problem for Pine or Mutt
SH>   user, Quote Style also make color code not work for some Mailer.

Your  template  use  "Real  Name  on  List"  instead  of
 only :-)

>> If the ListServer follow RFC-2369, get the Reply-To: from List-Post:
>> header.

DE> That is a big if.

That's  why  make  it  as  options  (special  note), the default (main
suggestion)  is No FROM Name (just list address), No Reply Counter and
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Re: High-speed POP3 dialogue?

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Hello Syafril Hermansyah,

On  Tue,  22 May 2001 at 00:50:35 GMT +0700 (which was 5/22/2001 12:50
AM where you think I live) you told to the list :

>>>> that's  what I've always done. Why would it be wrong for TB! to do
>>>> the same to speed the connection up?

SH> As Alexander Leschinsky said, connect to POPServer using more than one
SH> using   same  username  is  against  RFC  (see  RFC-1939,  section  4,
SH> Authorization State).

SH> There  is  only  one  *TCP/IP*  connection  for  port  110 from one ip
SH> address,  and  after  Authorization State, it must be lock). Telnet is
SH> *not*  TCP  Protocol,  so  you  can have more than one connection from
SH> single ip.

Oops,  this  is wrong statement, sorry. I just want to say, we can not
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Re: High-speed POP3 dialogue?

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Hello MaXxX,

On Sun, 20 May 2001 at 00:08:50 GMT +0200 (which was 5/22/2001 5:08 AM
where you think I live) you response to Johannes Posel :

>>> that's  what I've always done. Why would it be wrong for TB! to do
>>> the same to speed the connection up?

As Alexander Leschinsky said, connect to POPServer using more than one
using   same  username  is  against  RFC  (see  RFC-1939,  section  4,
Authorization State).

There  is  only  one  *TCP/IP*  connection  for  port  110 from one ip
address,  and  after  Authorization State, it must be lock). Telnet is
*not*  TCP  Protocol,  so  you  can have more than one connection from
single ip.

I think, you agree with this :-)

>> I have an account on a server where the POP3d reacts badly to such an
>> attemp. He brings you back "-ERR you should not rush" :-) I will ask
>> what software it is. Anyway, I'll have a look at the POP3 RFC too...

This is what suppose to happen, due the client still in Authorization
State.

M> Please do.

M> But, for such servers it could be just an option, and of course it would
M> be off by default. I don't think it would do any harm for the users that
M> have (a) a bad network connection, and (b) a pipeline-capable server. On
M> the contrary, IMHO... :)

After Authorization State, Client will go to Transaction State.
You're  right,  there  is no statement on RFC-1939 section 5 mentioned
about  the  command  must  sending  on  sequence  and  must  wait POP3
response.

I  didn't see POP3 server who support PipeLining (interest to developt
?),  on  most  case  POP3  server will store the client command on the
buffer  (something  like  Latency Buffer) to force subsequence command
(which  not  response  yet)  to  delay  for a while. This mechanism to
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Re: High-speed POP3 dialogue?

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Hello MaXxX,

On  Fri, 18 May 2001 at 08:18:36 GMT +0200 (which was 18/05/2001 13:18
GMT +0700 my Local Time) "MaXxX"=[M] wrote to Syafril Hermansyah :

M>>> How  do  the  servers tell mail clients which is their behaviour? I
M>>> mean,  do  the  asynchronous  servers  have  any way of identifying
M>>> themselves as such?

>> No  need  actually.  As  my sample logs, in fact POPServer *knows* the
>> message already succesful tranfer/download. The QUIT command then will
>> be redundant.

M> No,  I  mean  that  the  mail  clients  _does_ need to know, when a
M> connection  breaks or something, whether messages have been deleted
M> from the server or not.

If  client  needs  it,  he  can  use  LIST  command  (if still in same
session),  but  if  he  need  to  know on next logon, he must use UIDL
command, and compare with last UIDL data (previous logon).

M> Right now, TB! expects the servers NOT to delete mails immediately,
M> and  thus  if  the  QUIT  command  isn't  sent  (because of various
M> reasons) TB! regets all mails next time.

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Hello Me :-)

On  Fri, 18 May 2001 at 10:47:16 GMT +0700 (which was 18/05/2001 10:47
GMT  +0700  my  Local  Time) "Syafril Hermansyah"=[SH] wrote to Stefan
Tanurkov :

SH> On  Thu, 17 May 2001 at 16:36:01 GMT +0300 (which was 17/05/2001 20:36
SH> GMT  +0700  my  Local  Time)  "Stefan  Tanurkov"=[ST] wrote to Syafril
SH> Hermansyah :

>>> 1. Most  POP  currently implement asynchronous mode, means if message
>>>successfully  download  by  POPClient,  it will delete by POPServer
>>>without waiting QUIT command.

ST>> This is bad practice and may lead to losing messages easily. For
ST>> example, if your PC suddenly gets switched off (power failure, a baby
ST>> pulled the plug out, etc).

ST>> Because  we  know  about  such  servers,  The Bat! sends the DELE
ST>> command only when it has messages stored in its message base,

SH> I notice that.

ST>> this  is  done  in parallel to the receiving process and it can be
ST>> slower  when  fast  connection  is  used.

SH> Sorry, I doubt this.

Oops, my answer too short, sorry :-(

>From  user  point of View, it will make no difference between sequence
of  DELE  in  context  Receiving  Speed,  because the message will not
listed  on  INBOX (or message base) before TB! successful sending DELE
comand  (and  getting  acknowledge  from POPServer), correct ? For the
time  being the msd/data store on Temp folder (hmmm..is this may cause
many Bat???.tmp on Temp Directory ?)

Because  TB!  seems  not  maintain  "last successful download message"
data,  the  behavior  above  is  useless.  TB!  still  redownload all
messages and makes msg duplication.
I never seen something like :
SKIP n (n=msg number n)
or
LIST n
DELE n
(skip command RETR n)
or
Suppress  3  messages  duplicate ...
(as I seen on Pegasus or Mercury POP module).

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Hello Peter Gannushkin,

On  Fri, 18 May 2001 at 00:00:35 GMT -0400 (which was 18/05/2001 11:00
GMT  +0700  my  Local  Time)  "Peter  Gannushkin"=[PG] wrote to Stefan
Tanurkov :

>>> 1. Most  POP  currently implement asynchronous mode, means if message
>>>successfully  download  by  POPClient,  it will delete by POPServer
>>>without waiting QUIT command.

ST>> Keeping messages on the server for at least one day always makes
ST>> me feel secure :-) And I never get duplicate messages if my
ST>> connection suddenly drops because downloaded messages UIDs are
ST>> always stored...

PG> BTW, TB! has the strangest behavior to download ALL messages again
PG> if  user switches from leave messages on server to delete messages
PG> from server mode.

I can confirm this.

PG> What about UIDs in this case?

Seems to me, TB! only use UIDL when "leave message on Server" active.

PG> What is the reason of doing that?

I would like to know too :-)

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Re: High-speed POP3 dialogue?

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Alexander Leschinsky,

On  Fri,  18 May 2001 at 01:47:52 GMT +0600 (which was 18/05/2001 2:47
GMT  +0700 my Local Time) "Alexander Leschinsky"=[AL] wrote to Syafril
Hermansyah :

SH>> My reason as follow :
SH>> 1. Most  POP  currently implement asynchronous mode, means if message
SH>>successfully  download  by  POPClient,  it will delete by POPServer
SH>>without waiting QUIT command.

AL> _Not_ most, some _stupid_ only (I can recall qmail and headache with
AL> users - mot my qmail and not my users)

Qmail actually is SMTP, we're talking about POPserver, try QPOP, Cubic
Circle CuciPOP in combination with Qmail.

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Re: High-speed POP3 dialogue?

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello MaXxX,

On  Thu, 17 May 2001 at 15:15:43 GMT +0200 (which was 17/05/2001 20:15
GMT +0700 my Local Time) "MaXxX"=[M] wrote to Syafril Hermansyah :

>> My reason as follow :
>> 1. Most  POP  currently implement asynchronous mode, means if message
>>successfully  download  by  POPClient,  it will delete by POPServer
>>without waiting QUIT command.

M> How  do  the  servers tell mail clients which is their behaviour? I
M> mean,  do  the  asynchronous  servers  have  any way of identifying
M> themselves as such?

No  need  actually.  As  my sample logs, in fact POPServer *knows* the
message already succesful tranfer/download. The QUIT command then will
be redundant.

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Re: High-speed POP3 dialogue?

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Philippe Gouillou,

On  Thu, 17 May 2001 at 15:02:57 GMT +0200 (which was 17/05/2001 20:02
GMT   +0700   my   Local   Time)  "Philippe  Gouillou"=[PG]  wrote  to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

SH More  than that, it would be nice if TB! can do download messages
SH base on message size (less size first)

PG>>> Do  not  agree :

PG>>> -  it  would be a mess to follow thread (order of reception is
PG>>>often   the   only   way   not   to   get lost, as order of
PG>>>creation is not still correct

SH>> Correct,  this  is the negative effect; I have to change sort of order
SH>> base on Creation instead of Reception in Threading Mode.

PG> And  the  problem is that it rely totally on the clocks of the
PG> senders (not very secure)

You're correct again :-(

PG>>> -  you  can  achieve  something  like  that  by using the mail
PG>>>dispatcher  and  choosing  wich  mails you want to download
PG>>>first

SH>> Too  slow  for  poor  Dial  Up  connection  and  a  lot of messages on
SH>> POPmailbox :-(

PG> Yes, that's the problem of this solution.

On  certain  condition, I prefer my Thread Mode not working correctly,
such  I was travel for long time enough and can not touch my Mail from
the location (such going to Haji (Pilgrim to Mecca for 40-days).
So make it as options.

PG> May  be  a  simple solution would be to add the option "Invoke
PG> mail  check  automatically  if  message superior than" X which
PG> would work as follow :

PG> #1 : Download message < X
PG> #2 : Invoke mail checker for remaining messages if exist

You mean Mail Dispatcher ?

PG> (of  course a mail received by pop mail box during #1 would be
PG> added to #2)

That could be other cool solution.

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Re: High-speed POP3 dialogue?

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Stefan Tanurkov,

On  Thu, 17 May 2001 at 16:36:01 GMT +0300 (which was 17/05/2001 20:36
GMT  +0700  my  Local  Time)  "Stefan  Tanurkov"=[ST] wrote to Syafril
Hermansyah :

>> 1. Most  POP  currently implement asynchronous mode, means if message
>>successfully  download  by  POPClient,  it will delete by POPServer
>>without waiting QUIT command.

ST> This is bad practice and may lead to losing messages easily. For
ST> example, if your PC suddenly gets switched off (power failure, a baby
ST> pulled the plug out, etc).

ST> Because  we  know  about  such  servers,  The  Bat! sends the DELE
ST> command only when it has messages stored in its message base,

I notice that.

ST> this  is  done  in parallel to the receiving process and it can be
ST> slower  when  fast  connection  is  used.

Sorry, I doubt this.

ST> Keeping  messages  on the server for at least one day always makes
ST> me  feel  secure  :-)

That's the work around, but if we use ISP's mailbox address we can not
do that, due mailbox quota limitation.

ST> And I never get duplicate messages if my connection suddenly drops
ST> because downloaded messages UIDs are always stored...

I  am  running  4 different MTA right now, and leave message on server
not  active on my TB!, from my experience since last January, the only
account  which  never  give me duplicate messages even connection drop
are  account  that  host  on  MTA  with "delete messages if succesfuly
download by Client".

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Re: 1.53 Beta/1

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Ahoj Marek Mikus,

On Thu, 10 May 2001 at 21:59:43 GMT +0200 (CEST) (which was 11/05/2001
2:59 GMT +0700 my Local Time) "Marek Mikus"=[MM] wrote to All :

>>   1.53 Beta/1 is available for download from
>>   http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/beta/tb153b01.rar
>>
MM> I can't run it - when is TB started, it is placed to START toolbar, but
MM> nothing happens and I must kill it by task manager (with no responce).

MM> I have no such problems with 1.52. I'm running on OS Win98 & 96 MB
MM> RAM.

I can confirm this on my W2K Pro SP1.

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Re: 1.53 Beta/1

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Hello Thomas,

On  Fri, 11 May 2001 at 11:12:49 GMT +0800 (which was 11/05/2001 10:12
GMT  +0700  my  Local  Time)  "Thomas"=[T] wrote to Stefan Tanurkov on
TBBETA :

ND>>> Does it overcome the problem of all users accessing the same
ND>>> address book?

ST>> Could you describe it in more details off the list please?

T> I'd rather he wrote it on-list. ;-)

Me too :-)
Let me explain my own :
- I am running The Bat! on Multi O/S Platform (I run more than one PC
  in  front  of  me  on  daily  work,  and each running Multi O/S, and
  sometimes  work on "server" or other workstation on LAN). That's why
  I put all of folder on Network Drive, especially The Address Book.
- For all those account, I share address book, set as Default Address
  Book.

This  condition  simulate more than one The Bat! users running his own
(single) TB! on his own PC on the LAN (not real TB! in Networking Mode
as Nick describe).
  
The problem are :
- If for certain account I made change, such adding contact or delete
  contact,  other  account (on other PC) must exit from The Bat! first
  before he can look the changes.
- I  have  to  set  sharing  drive  as "full read/write" to make this
  happen, "read only" user can not use this share address book.

So, my suggestions :
- TB! periodically check the address book.
- Have ability for TB! user to "read only" some address book.

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Re: 1.52 Beta/12

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Hello MaXxX,

On  Sat,  28 Apr 2001 at 22:36:20 GMT +0200 (which was 29/04/2001 3:36
GMT +0700 my Local Time) "MaXxX"=[M] wrote to Chuck Smith :

[ ... ]

M> NowTHISwouldbe   VERY   useful!   Especially   if   the
M> delete-all-previously-downloaded  function  was  utilized somewhere
M> else,  if for example your connection is broken on message #37, and
M> The  Bat!  realizes  it  has  already  downloaded  #1  through  #36
M> correctly,  it  could  delete  them immediately without downloading
M> them for the second time...

Nowadays,  I  saw  this kind of feature has built on POPServer (can be
active  or  deactive). If TB! already sending DELE #xxx, the POPServer
will  delete  without  waiting QUIT command. Some people said, this is
better than UIDL method.

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Re: TB freezes when trying to open new mail

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Hello Alexander Levenetz,

On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 at 13:15:26 GMT +0200 (which was 4/21/2001 6:15 PM
where you think I live) you told to the list :

SH>>>> Anyway, I found the other problem for all version of 1.52 Beta
SH>>>> (till beta 7) that may cause this problem, i.e : The Bat!
SH>>>> *always* counting *wrong* message number,

T>>> This bug in the Connection Center is already known.

AL> Well,  the  bug  is  known but it's an interesting idea to connect
AL> this to the tmp-files and the crashes.
AL> For  the  problem  with accumulating tmp-files, this makes perfect
AL> sense to me.

AFAIR this kind of problem onlt relate to Win9x, while W2k not having
such problem (at least I don't).

AL> For TB! this is a failed import of a message (that in reality does
AL> not  exist and therefore the file does not contain any information
AL> =  0  bytes).  But  I  don't  really  see  any connection with TB!
AL> crashing.

Perhaps  not  really  crash, only freeze. I noticed when there is some
message   index  broken,  TB!  will  automatically  try  to  fixed  it
(sometimes with notifying first, sometimes not), and in the process of
"reindexing" TB! tend to freeze.

AL> It just happened again that it crashed when I tried Ctrl-F4 (reply
AL> to sender). Not every time, just sometimes...

Have you tried revert back to 1.51 ? whap happen then ?

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Re: BAT freezing up

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Hello Susanne,

Responding  to  your article on Tue, 10 Apr 2001 at 13:30:10 GMT -0700
(which was 11/04/2001 3:30 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

S>  just ran into a little problem I hadn't encountered before:

S> during  folder  compacting  TB froze and I had to restart it. Going
S> into  one of my folders after this, I got a window telling me there
S> was  an  error  reading  the message base and asking if I wanted to
S> repair it.
S>  I chose "yes" and TB froze again.
S>  This happens every time I try.
S>  I can use TB, if I choose "no", but can't access any
S>  messages in the affected folder.

S>  What to do?

Exit TB! then from Windows Explorer, delete *.TBI file from folder you
guess having such problem, start TB!

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List Administrator Note

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Hello All,

This  message  to  clarify  some confusing after the ListServer activate
Reverse Lookup Anti Spamming.

Currently  I  have  activated "domain name checking" lookup only, either
the  sender/poster  or  HOST  sender (as claim on HELO/EHLO command), if
failed the ListServer will reject (terminate the connection at once).

Even  I activate Reverse Lookup and MAPS-RBL/ORBS (open relay) checking,
but  if  this  checking  will  *not*  reject  the  message,  only make a
note/flag.

If  ListServer  failed to Reverse Lookup sender ip address, you will see
(additional) header as follow :
X-Lookup-Warning: reverse lookup on original sender failed

And,  if  ListServer  find that your MailServer listed on MAPS-RBL/ORBS,
you will see something like this :
X-RBL-Warning: mail from xx.xx.xx.xx refused by ORBS, see http://www.orbs.org


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Re: ! v2.00 beta/1 Release :)

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Marck D. Pearlstone,

Responding  to  your  article  on Mon, 22 Jan 2001 at 04:00:50 GMT +
(which was 22/01/2001 11:00 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

>> No,  this  message  is  fake.  Someone decided to sent a april fools
>> message a little too early.

MDP> Quite  right  and  pretty  despicable.  I  should  have  read  it more
MDP> carefully.

MDP> Syafril  -  can  we  put  a  block  on  the  source  domain  please  -
MDP> localhost.localdomain

Will find and put on screen filter ASAP.

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Re: ! v2.00 beta/1 Release :)

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Max Masyutin,

Responding  to  your  article  on Sun, 21 Jan 2001 at 22:08:51 GMT -0500
(which was 22/01/2001 10:08 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

MM> TheBat! v1.50 is the last version of TheBat! v1.xx

MM> ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/beta/V2/tb200b1.rar

Can not find the directory .../V2.

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Re[2]: TB! Lists

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hi Thomas,

On  Monday,  December  18,  2000,  10:40:54 AM, you whispered someting
about "TB! Lists" and this is my answer inline your quote:

TF> (On  second thought, I'm crossposting this to TBUDL and TBBETA, as
TF> I think this is very ON-topic, and those who are not subscribed to
TF> TBOT  should  know  that  TBUDL/TBBETA are OK again and it was not
TF> their  POP  server  that  didn't  let  them  receive messages; the
TF> moderators  are sleeping due to their time zones and I hope nobody
TF> will mind me doing this.)

LOL

TF> On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:31:28 -0500GMT (18/12/2000, 07:31 +0800GMT),
TF> Brian Clark wrote:

MDP>>> Let's  make  this  semi-official.  The  list  server  went down
MDP>>> sometime  around  25  hours  ago. It will be back up in about 2
MDP>>> hours  once  Syafril (or his representative) physically gets to
MDP>>> the server to reboot the darned thing!

Yupe, sorry about that, my Logs Server grow up very fast lately so I
run out Harddisk Space on the List Server partition :-(

TF> I am receiving messages again (like everybody else I guess). :-)

TF> Question  (for  TBUDL): what happened to the message posted during
TF> downtime: are they in some queue and will reach us at a later time
TF> or did they go to the Big Cyber Void?

No, it's queue on the MX backup and back to the main List when the
main ListServer up.

I would also inform that our List now having facility to change
membership.
To change your address you can send message to
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update [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
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Re: 1.48 Beta/4

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Hello Maxim Masiutin,

Responding  to  your  article  on  Thu, 9 Nov 2000 at 23:29:30 GMT +0200
(which was 10/11/2000 4:29 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

MM> [*] Improved Mail Dispatcher - it is now possible to select multiple messages and 
sort by clicking the column header. At last :-)
MM> [-] Fixed a few memory leaks.
MM> [*] ISO-8859-2 table put back as it was before 1.47

[*] MD5 POP Authentication now active :-)

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Re: suggestion and bug

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Hello Damien,

Responding  to  your  article  on Fri, 13 Oct 2000 at 15:40:04 GMT +0200
(which was 13/10/2000 20:40 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

D>   - In a reinstallation, when you (re)create your mail account, the
D>   bat! import all settings (mail, login, password) but if your SMTP
D>   require a login/password different from the login/password of POP
D>   account (for a same account), he replace the POP settings
D>   (login/password) by SMTP settings.

I am not sure, but it seems happens once here if memory serve.

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Re: tb147b5

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Hello Thomas Fernandez,

Responding  to  your article on Thursday, September 21, 2000 at 11:22:58
GMT +0800 (which was 21/09/2000 10:22 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

JA>>>  What program are you using to download?  I think Netscape can give
JA>>>  problems with some types of downloads.

C>> netscape .. reckon I should try  (ick) IE.

TF> Netscape messes up rar archives, that's true. However, why don't you
TF> try Windows Commander: www.ghisler.com. You can download with it from
TF> the ftp server, and you can open or pack all kinds of archives
TF> (including zip and rar). There is a 30-day trial period, during which
TF> you can use it for free.

My  favourite  is ArjFolder, it's support zip, rar and tar (which mostly
use by me lately), it's *free*. I forgot from where I downloaded it, but
IIRCI   put   on   ftp://ftp.dutaint.co.id/freeware/filecompression/
directory either Dos and Windows (GUI) version).

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Re: New TB FAQ site

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Andreas Schwartmann,

Responding to your article on Friday, September 15, 2000 at 19:35:42 GMT
+0200 (which was 15/09/2000 0:35 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :


MDP>>> Please let me know of any problems you have accessing the site or with
MDP>>> the content.

AS> http://www.marckp.redhotant.com/thebat/shortcut.eng :

AS> The page cannot be found
AS> The  page  you are looking for might have been removed, had its name
AS> changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

Weird,   I   just   tried   either  <http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com>  or
<http://www.marckp.redhotant.com/thebat/faq.html> work fine from here.
What happen ? Why you point out to :
http://www.marckp.redhotant.com/thebat/shortcut.eng  ?  (this  page  not
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Re: New TB FAQ site

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Hello Marck D. Pearlstone,

Responding  to  your  article on Tuesday, September 12, 2000 at 15:01:24
GMT +0100 (which was 12/09/2000 21:01 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

MDP> Since  Leif  is going off-line for a while, we have taken the decision
MDP> to move the TB FAQ web site. It can now be found at the following URL:

MDP> http://www.marckp.redhotant.com/thebat/faq.html

MDP> Please let me know of any problems you have accessing the site or with
MDP> the content.

I've made simple link : <http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com> which forward to
that site.

BTW.  IMHO  better  if using Virtual Host, and mirror on some locations,
and I can make Round Robin between it.

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Re: bug report - allow 8 bit chars in msg. header

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Hello Ming-Li,

Responding  to  your article on Wednesday, July 12, 2000 at 03:09:35 GMT
-0700 (which was 12/07/2000 17:09 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

[ ... ]

ML> BTW, does any know whether we should still file an official bug
ML> report after a series of discussion like this?

Yes, that's help Developer to remind, and don't forget to cc: ing to the
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Re: Attachment/Body Text not visible

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Hello Alexander V. Kiselev,

Responding  to your article on Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 19:06:58 GMT
+0400 (which was 27/04/2000 22:06 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

>> I  got  strange  message,  I  can't  saw  any  text  on  "body text", no
>> attachment appear, even the size not zero.
>> This happen only if the message came from one person.
>> 
>> The snniped message header as below :

AVK> 

AVK> Seems to me that the following header fiels are the problem:

AVK> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="BDY.TXT"
AVK> Content-Disposition: inline; filename="BDY.TXT"

AVK> Usually, this should be:

AVK> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

I think so.
Regarding  the  content  disposition  (I  don't know what's purpose this
header), I got another message with this header :

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X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:11:35 +0700
From: "Sugiharta Natanegara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: MDaemon
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inline
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No problem.

AVK> and  nothing  more. Nontheless, I've tested this stuff with Pegasus
AVK> and it shows the message with no problems.

AVK> I'd  think that the headers above are illegal from the POV of RFCs,
AVK> although I just can't prove it stricktly;-(

Yeah, it just annoying me a bit (due that person not much posting to the
list, no private mail).

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Re: Server turnaround time (was: Re: UTF encoding)

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Hello Marck D. Pearlstone,

Responding  to  your  article  on Monday, April 24, 2000 at 09:52:14 GMT
+0100 (which was 24/04/2000 15:52 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

MDP> On  24  April  2000  at 16:26:33 GMT +0800 (which was 09:26 where I
MDP> live)  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote and made these points on the subject
MDP> of "Server turnaround time (was: Re: UTF encoding)":

TF>>> Received: from ns2.dutaint.com [203.130.233.13] by in1.prserv.net
TF>>> id 956560460.184186-1 ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 07:14:25 +

TF>>> Received: from ho.bhakti.co.id by thebat.dutaint.com with SMTP
TF>>> (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 24 Apr 2000
TF>>> 14:06:36 +0700

MDP> ^^ Here's the time lapse in this jump. The message was
MDP> stuck on a routing server in Indonesia.

[Sorry for late reply, I was going to out of town
]
Thebat  List  Server  was down this morning (around 07:00 AM GMT+07:00),
due DNSServer problem ("laming"), so all messages spool on the MX backup
(i.e. ho.bhakti.co.id).

TF>>> Received: from ms10.hinet.net by ho.bhakti.co.id with SMTP
TF>>> (MDaemon.v2.8.6.0e.R) for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 24
TF>>> Apr 2000 09:55:57 +0700

TF>>> Received: from 00284 ([210.242.5.6]) by ms10.hinet.net
TF>>> (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14275 for
TF>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:49:15 +0800
TF>>> (CST)

>> I had a trunaround time of roughly 5 hours on this message. If I am
>> the only one, then it must be my server and it is time to change ISP.
>> Can anybody confirm the long turnaround time or not?

MDP> We don't have too :-) it's clearly visible in the headers.

No problem at your site Thomas.
I just realize the problem 5 hours after the server down.
Sorry to all for inconveniences.

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Re: attachment deletion

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Hello SyP,

Responding  to  your  article  on Sunday, April 16, 2000 at 21:33:38 GMT
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S>   I'm using The Bat! Version 1.42 Beta/17
S>   Serial Number 507E4166
S>   under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6
S>   and would like to report a bug

S>   The bug description:
S> I can't delete attachments from messages in this version. It
S> doesn't work with the DEL button, it doesn't work from the
S> context-sensitive menu (it is greyed out)

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Re: Flags

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Hello Nick Andriash,

Responding  to  your  article  on Friday, April 14, 2000 at 20:51:31 GMT
-0700 (which was 14/04/2000 10:51 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :


>> I  got  new  glyphs.zip  file from Stefan this morning, and I've already
>> upload to our FTP site, you can download from here :

>> ftp://ftp.dutaint.com/the_bat/util-options/classic.zip
>> ftp://ftp.dutaint.com/the_bat/util-options/new-glyphs.zip

NA> I can't seem to connect to the FTP Server... I keep getting an error
NA> message stating the FTP Server can't be found?

Well, try from the mirror :

ftp://ftp.dutaint.co.id/the_bat/util-options/classic.zip
ftp://ftp.dutaint.co.id/the_bat/util-options/new-glyphs.zip

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Re: SOT : HTML Filter [was Re: No Attachments]

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Hello Thomas Fernandez,

Responding  to your article on Wednesday, April 12, 2000 at 12:01:17 GMT
+0800 (which was 12/04/2000 11:01 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

SH>> Talking  about  HTML  message  on Mailing List, I was seeking the way to
SH>> convert  any  HTML  message  to  plain  text  (for List purpose) without
SH>> success.

SH>> Anyone can give me the clue ?

TF> If that's possible, I would like to do that for all my incoming mail
TF> (albeit  not  automatic but manually). I have HTML autview disabled,
TF> and  when  I  forward an email, I have the possibility to delete the
TF> HTML  attachment  like  any other old attachment. I would like to do
TF> that in Viewer, too.

Yes, I hope :-)
For   now   I just success for SHTML messages, i.e if in The Bat! we saw
either  plain  text  and  HTML format (as attachment). If all plain text
"blank", I can't do that (because the filter stripe out the attachment).

You can try this as follow
Condition string : if message header content (any)
multipart/alternative
multipart/mixed
text/html

on the RFC-822 header, then stripe out the attachment.

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Re: Wish List : support RFC 2369

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Leif Gregory,

Responding  to your article on Wednesday, April 12, 2000 at 14:44:04 GMT
+0900 (which was 12/04/2000 12:44 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :
LG> 
SH>> As I saw on Pegasus 3.x, every message came from this list will
SH>> add "a link" on top of body text, and if we click the link, we
SH>> will inform how to unsubscribe, how to find help (list command)
SH>> etc etc.

LG> Try right clicking on this message and selecting "RFC-822 Headers".
LG> You'll see all sorts of list related info in the headers.

Yes of course.
Have  you  tried  Pegasus 3.1.x yet ? Try it, then you will now what's I
mean  perfectly  (or  perhaps  Alexander  V.  Kiselev can explain it, as
always better than me).

SH>> Another wish is "automatic disable Read Receipt/Return Receipt and
SH>> autoresponder" if message have header "precedence: bulk". That
SH>> header is indication the message distribute by List, so just
SH>> incase one of the stupid poster activate "request of return
SH>> receipt", all The Bat! user will not sending the confirmation by
SH>> accident.

LG> This functionality exists already on a folder-by-folder basis. Select
LG> the properties of your list folder, click the Confirmation Tab, put a
LG> check in the "Override account's reading confirmation settings", and
LG> then select "Ignore".

LG> This will set your folder to ignore any confirmation requests.

I know it, this is intended for Novice user.

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Re: Wish List : support RFC 2369

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Hello Thomas Fernandez,

Responding  to your article on Wednesday, April 12, 2000 at 11:58:14 GMT
+0800 (which was 12/04/2000 10:58 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

SH>> Anotherwish   is   "automatic  disable  Read  Receipt/Return Receipt
SH>> and  autoresponder"  if  message  have  header  "precedence: bulk". That
SH>> header  is indication the message distribute by List, so just incase one
SH>> of  the stupid poster activate "request of return receipt", all The Bat!
SH>> user will not sending the confirmation by accident.

TF> As an option on, say, folder level. But I have "ignore" set anyway. so
TF> what's the difference?

This is useful for newcomers, I feel "shame" if I saw
---
Hello %OFromName,

Your message to %OToName, dated %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, has in fact been read.
If your message requires an answer, %OToFName will answer when time permits.

  The Bat! - automatic mail servant of %FromName.
---

on some other List :-)
My  Mail  Server  having  this feature too (auto responder not active if
message came from ListServer).

BTW.  On  this TBUDL/TBBETA list, I will activate filter to stripe out any
RR request.

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Re: Flags

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Hello Thomas Fernandez,

Responding  to your article on Wednesday, April 12, 2000 at 12:30:45 GMT
+0800 (which was 12/04/2000 11:30 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

>>> Yes, you can: find the "flag" in the glyphs.bmp file (or any other one
>>> of your choice, like the "P", the attachment icon, etc) and replace it
>>> with your skull & crossbones. Send me a screenshot. ;-)

NA>> Thomas, where can you find this glyphs.bmp file? It doesn't exist on my
NA>> Hard Drive, and I see no mention of it on RITLabs FTP Site.

TF> I'll look it up tonight at home on my home machine. A "find" search on
TF> my HD here wasn't successful either. However, I remember that Max or
TF> Stef sent us a glyph16.bmp file which we were to put somehwere in the
TF> TB directory and it showed the "old" glyphs. I have to dig out the
TF> email with the instructions.

TF> Anyone else has it handy, maybe?

I still have it, I will upload to
ftp://ftp.dutaint.com/the_bat/util-options/glyphs.bmp

wait for next 5 minutes

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

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Hello Marck D. Pearlstone,

Responding  to  your  article on Tuesday, April 11, 2000 at 09:49:59 GMT
+0100 (which was 11/04/2000 15:49 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

>> Are you running any proxy ? If yes, try again with the proxy service
>> disable.

MDP> I  am  ...  and I have previously. No change in behaviour. However,
MDP> the  bizarre  non-cancellation  of  the transmit dialog is surely a
MDP> clue  to  something  going  wrong at the TB end. I should add that,
MDP> once  the TB transmit session hits *its'* timeout limit, the dialog
MDP> box /does/ go away.

Are  you  using WinGate ? IIRC someone on "Mdaemon open forum" mentioned
to  connect  via  WinGate Proxy, this will solve "tcp/ip buffer problem"
(he also run Mdaemon on Win98, but use Pegasus for client).

Client --- POP3 proxy --- Mdaemon

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Re: conting replies in Subject

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Marek Mikus,

Responding  to your article on Wednesday, March 29, 2000 at 15:01:37 GMT
+0200 (which was 29/03/2000 20:01 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

MM>   can somebody tell me, if is counting of replies in Subject (Re[12]:)
MM>   standard function?

AFAIK no.

MM> Some  friends  with  UNIX  mailers  and  threading  of  messages has
MM> problems  with  it  (Mailer  don't  sort  these mails to thread, but
MM> create new thread).

That's  because his mailer using thread by subject (the easy one), if he
tried by message-ID, no problem.

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Re: Serious Database Problem

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Hello Keith Russell,

Responding  to your article on Wednesday, March 22, 2000 at 09:56:23 GMT
-0700 (which was 23/03/2000 23:56 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

KR> After reading on the beta list that the serious problems had finally
KR> been  solved, I decided yesterday to finally upgrade my version 1.41
KR> TB  to  1.42 Beta 5. I have a LOT of messages. A while ago, based on
KR> the  suggestions  on  the  TB  mailing  list,  I created and Archive
KR> account and copied many of my messages there, but have unfortunately
KR> gotten behind, and my main account has far too many messages.

KR> In any case--I did back up my messages, but only the MAIL folder, to
KR> save space. I downloaded the beta and executed it; it hung while
KR> converting folder 44 of 114. I tried again, with the same result.

KR> This  morning,  I  freed  up  some  more  space on the hard disk and
KR> downloaded  the  beta again. When I ran it, I got the same result as
KR> before: hanging in folder 44.

As  my  experience in the past, before I move The Bat! from one Computer
to another, at first I change setting of file attachment from "separate"
to  "message bodies", then after exit, start and exit again I'm ready to
go to 1.42 beta.

Try it, perhaps some of your attachment making problem in conversion.

KR> Could this be a virtual memory problem?

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Re: Text Attachments Test

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello phil,

Responding  to your article on Wednesday, March 22, 2000 at 04:01:07 GMT
-0800 (which was 22/03/2000 19:01 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

>>> I have a problem reading .txt attachments using TB 1.42/b5. When I
>>> receive an email with a .txt attachment TB appears to recognise that an
>>> attachment is present (The little attachment indicator is shown in the
>>> message list), but there is no file icon displayed to enable me to
>>> open/save the file. Other file types appear to attach OK.

>>> I  noticed  a  thread earlier relating to *sending* txt attachments.
>>> Sending  appears  to  be  OK  -  I can send an attachment from TB to
>>> another mail client, but TB cannot *receive* them.

t>> I have one DOC attachment not showing me anything... if someone wants
t>> to see it to see whats wrong...

p> Personally I don't use the DOC format anymore, but I can confirm that
p> the txt file is actually sent, but there is no icon to *save as* once
p> you receive it.  It is however in a second window and still can be
p> saved..   maybe an example is needed .. ;o)

p> Echelon.txt  Base64 12470 bytes

p> Notice  how  you wouldn't know the Original Filename once you receive
p> this...

Aha   that's  is  the  answer,  why  I received *.log file as plain text
(it is ASCII text actually).
Humm...but  after  I  ask  resending to him, I receive it correctly ( as
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Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Member,

I saw that Reference Field already use "fine" format, see this :

From: Syafril Hermansyah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.42 Beta/5)
Organization: Duta Integrasi Pratama - Indonesia
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: P . Y . di pau-mikro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In-reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Congratulation !
Well, from now on, we can expect better "Thread Mode" :-)

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Re: kludges seem to have disapeared...

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Hello phil,

Responding  to your article on Wednesday, March 22, 2000 at 20:51:17 GMT
-0800 (which was 22/03/2000 11:51 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

t>>  1.41 latest v5
t>>  Any idea what may have happened to the kludges to see the headers??

p> I assume it's part of the same problem reported with the RFC-822
p> headers not showing until you click on another message.

p> Try  the switch, click on another message (ANY message other than the
p> one your reading.)

p> It still there.   A glitch perhaps.

Yupe, as you mentioned on other thread.

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Re: Problem Beta/5

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Hello phil,

Responding  to your article on Wednesday, March 22, 2000 at 19:55:30 GMT
-0800 (which was 22/03/2000 10:55 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

MM>>>1.42 Beta/5 is available from http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

SH>> I  got  error  "Resource  IDR_TIPGRP  not  found"  at start up, but
SH>> everything fine.

p> I think they left that RCD Resource out.  Theres an IDR_LOGO(splash
p> screen), IDR_HOWREG(HOW-TO register thebat), IDR_WELCOME(Description
p> etc)  No IDR_TIPGRP .  Perhaps it was left out for simplicity on the
p> BETA I bet.There wasn't one in the last beta either.
p> I wouldn't worry about it.  It's just a Resource.

I tend to agree with you.

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Re: Version Confusion?

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Hello Chuck Mattsen,

Responding  to  your  article  on Friday, March 10, 2000 at 20:46:53 GMT
-0600 (which was 10/03/2000 9:46 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

NA>>> I just downloaded TB version 1.41/Beta 5a and I noticed that thebat.exe is
NA>>> close to 3 times the size it was in Beta 5... 1056KB vs 3117KB?

Thomas>> Here, thebat.exe is 1,051,136 Byte long.

CM> I'm afraid I must agree with Nick here ... my 1.41b5a downloaded today
CM> is, indeed, 3,191,296 bytes, dated March 8, '00 ... that's the
CM> executable size.

Uh  weird,  in  mine 1.41b5a = 1.051.136 bytes, as Thomas have (English,
run on NT2K Pro).

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Re: Fwd: Re: Re[2]: Priority Level - TOTEM TECHNOLOGY???

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Hello tracer,

On Monday, February 14, 2000 at 23:09:09 GMT +0700 (which was 15/02/2000
23:09 GMT +0700 my Local Time) you told to the list:

>> OTOH- if you set a filter... ;o)

t> Phil, acc to my server I had a bad email and they killed it.
t> 1. however they are still coming in, all the same, and yes I know it
t> isnt you doing it or the mailing list.  id's are identical.

Look  after,  not only the message-ID but the "flow" of message, perhaps
one or more your relayer are "open relay".

t> 2. any ideas from anyone why I should get ONE email repeated all over
t> would be welcome so I can get rid of it.

If your server is OK, check the upstream.

t> 3. I havent seen any email on the betalist for 2 days, did I miss
t> something?
t> sorry, getting 60 - 100 times or more per day this same email is
t> damned frustrating! (g)

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Re: Window positions messed up after crash - followup

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Hello Markus Gloede,

On  Thursday,  February  10,  2000  at  13:37:23  GMT  +0100  (which was
10/02/2000 19:37 GMT +0700 my Local Time) you told to the list:

>> The  Bat  crashed  on  me  (I  guess  the SMTP server went down while
>> receiving  a  message) and now the dialog that pops up when I empty a
>> folder  is in the lower right hand corner of my screen (where usually
>> my  delivery  status windows appear). Which registry key do I need to
>> delete?

MG> It  turned  out  that now all dialogs (from other apps as well) that
MG> usually show up in the center of the screen appear in the lower left
MG> corner. What can I do?

Are you running other application ?

What  happen  if  you  refresh  copy The Bat! program (I mean install by
overwrite the old directory) ? Perhaps some file corrupted.


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Re: Window positions messed up after crash

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Hello Markus Gloede,

On  Thursday,  February  10,  2000  at  10:58:03  GMT  +0100  (which was
10/02/2000 16:58 GMT +0700 my Local Time) you told to the list:

[ ... ]

MG> BTW: delivery interruptions or connection to server interruptions are
MG> something the Bat has yet to learn to handle more gracefully. When
MG> something during the connection goes wrong clicking the cancel button
MG> won't help, I have to kill the Bat through the task manager.

I  confirm,  but  only for receiving (Connection via NAT/Router to ISP),
seems  like  The  Bat!  not  response  well  for  "winsock  error 10053
(connection  abort  by  software).

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Re[2]: Priority Level

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Totem/Jimmy Tong,

On  Thursday, February 10, 2000, 2:37:42 PM, you told me about "Priority
Level", this is my answer in line your quote:


TJT> please  remove  my  name  &  e-mail  address  from  your  mailing  list
TJT> a.s.a.p.,  because,  this  was  a  mistakes  to  send  this  message  to
TJT> me, I didn't  ask  for   it.

Already did.
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Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Re[2]: Priority Level - TOTEM TECHNOLOGY???

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Syafril Hermansyah,

On  Thursday,  February  10,  2000, 2:07:37 PM, you told me about ": Re:
Re[2]:  Priority Level - TOTEM TECHNOLOGY???", this is my answer in line
your quote:

SH> - I  have point to send blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
SH>   but no response.

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Re[2]: Fwd: Re: Re[2]: Priority Level - TOTEM TECHNOLOGY???

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello TOTEM TECHNOLOGY CO.,LTD.,

On  Friday,  February  11,  2000, 1:25:25 AM, you Cried Out about ": Re:
Re[2]:  Priority Level - TOTEM TECHNOLOGY???", this is my answer in line
your quote:

[ ... ]

I don't understand this people :
- I  have point to send blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
  but no response.
- I   have  sent  invitation  to unsubscribe from list, just reply that
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- But why responding any message came from the list.

Do you *read the footer* (in the bottom of message) ?


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Re: problem with displayed date

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Hello Marek Mikus,

On dated Friday, January 01, 1999, 13:34:49 you told to the list:

>> There  is  a  problem with displaying date. I am not sure whose problem is (the
>> bat or windoze) but as you can see in the attached picture:
>> Mail send with v1.33 has created time 01:50
>> Mails send with v1.37b1 and 1.38b4 display 1 Éáí 1999. Éáí mean Jan in greek. I
>> also have this problems in incoming messages. The headers have the correct date
>> but the bat displays them in wrong date.

>> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:25:55 +0100
>> but the bat shows that the created date is 1st Jan 1999 01:25

MM> confirmed 

MM> When have mail in filed "date" format  "1 Dec 1999", TB display in
MM> "created" column "1 I 1999".

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Re: Unable create filter and use spellchecker.

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Hello Fredrik Bergström,

On dated Wednesday, November 24, 1999, 1:53:25 you told to the list:

FB> Well,  I  tried some different designs of The Bat! turning off and
FB> on   things   in   the  View-menu.  And  i  found  out  that  when
FB> "View/Message  Auto-view"  is of, you can't right click on e-mails
FB> and use "Specials/Create Filter".

If  "message  list"  menu still active, I (still) can use "right click
menu" as well.

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Re: Winmail.dat

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Hello Thomas Fernandez,

On dated Wednesday, November 24, 1999, 14:18:57 you told to the list:

SH>> It work !

TF> :-D)))

TF> You just made my day (even though the solution is not from me, but I
TF> was starting to worry.) ;-)

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Re: Winmail.dat

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Hello Thomas Fernandez,

On dated Wednesday, November 24, 1999, 12:08:12 you told to the list:

SH>>>>>>>> Ouh..  all  of  my  browser  installed  in  my machine give up to read
SH>>>>>>>> enriched  attachment  (Netscape  4.7,  Internet  Explorer  5.01, Opera
SH>>>>>>>> 3.60).
SH>>>>>>>> Any other ideas ?

TF>>>>>>> I have Netscpae 4.7 and it opens .ENRICHED files.

SH>>>>>> How come lucky man !
SH>>>>>> I will try Alexander's advise later, are you having a tip for me ?

TF>>>>> This is how I did it:
TF>>>>> 1.) click on an .enriched attachment in TB.
TF>>>>> 2.) the software will ask you what .exe programme to open this
TF>>>>> application with. It will show you all possibilities.
TF>>>>> 3.) select Netscape and click "OK".

SH>>>> I  did  exactly  as that, but "<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" etc still
SH>>>> comes up.

TF> I am confused. OK, let's start from scratch: somewhere in Windows
TF> Explorer there is a list where you can see which file extensions are
TF> related to which .exe application. (As I cannot read Chinese and
TF> therefore cannot tell you where that is. If you don't know it, someone
TF> on this list may be avble to ehlp you.)

TF> You  check whether you find "enriched file" there - if yes, delete
TF> the entry.

No entry there.

TF> Close explorer, go to TB and click again on the attachment, and the
TF> question window "How I should I open this file" should come up again.
TF> Choose Netscape.

Not work :-).

TF> This should have nothing to do with any email address.

Yes, now I'm trying Alexander trick as follow :

Create  the  association  (via  Windows  explorer)  with the following
properties:

Description: message enriched

Type (MIME): text/enriched

Standard extension: .enriched

Action: open by netscape.exe (no commandline qualifiers!)
Application to use to perform action : point to netscape.exe

Confirm opening: unchecked

Allow quickview: unchecked

Always show extension: checked.

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Hello Thomas Fernandez,

On dated Wednesday, November 24, 1999, 11:07:10 you told to the list:

SH>>>>>> Ouh..  all  of  my  browser  installed  in  my machine give up to read
SH>>>>>> enriched  attachment  (Netscape  4.7,  Internet  Explorer  5.01, Opera
SH>>>>>> 3.60).
SH>>>>>> Any other ideas ?

TF>>>>> I have Netscpae 4.7 and it opens .ENRICHED files.

SH>>>> How come lucky man !
SH>>>> I will try Alexander's advise later, are you having a tip for me ?

TF>>> This is how I did it:
TF>>> 1.) click on an .enriched attachment in TB.
TF>>> 2.) the software will ask you what .exe programme to open this
TF>>> application with. It will show you all possibilities.
TF>>> 3.) select Netscape and click "OK".

SH>> I  did  exactly  as that, but "<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" etc still
SH>> comes up.

TF> Where exactly does this email address in Cambodia come up - in the
TF> browser?

Yupe ! Any setting in Netscape related ?

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Created : Wednesday, November 24, 1999, 11:48:18 (GMT + 07:00)

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Re: HTML mail

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Thunder Byte,

On dated Monday, November 22, 1999, 19:55:08 you told to the list:

TB> 1o - Sorry by my bad English!
TB> 2o - I don't like HTML mail, but I received two. one from Netscape
TB> Netcenter and the other by www.elefante.com.br
TB> The pictures on html don't work. Is this a option in The Bat! or a
TB> problem?

Have you activate HTML view (options|HTML-Autoview) ?


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Created : Monday, November 22, 1999, 19:00:15 (GMT + 07:00)

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Re: Winmail.dat

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Thomas Fernandez,

On dated Monday, November 22, 1999, 17:43:52 you told to the list:

TF>>> I have noticed that I can now delete attachments named winmail.dat
TF>>> (was not possible in earlier versions).

SH>> Never pay attention on it.
SH>> Question : what happen if you delete winmail.dat in the past ?

TF> Error  message came up: "This is an Inline attachment". It was not
TF> possible to delete.

I  see.  This  means  TB now can separate it from main message. I like
that,  most of Exchange user generate this TNEF attachment if replying
MIME messages.


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Created : Monday, November 22, 1999, 18:04:21 (GMT + 07:00)

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Re: Winmail.dat

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Thomas Fernandez,

On dated Monday, November 22, 1999, 17:15:07 you told to the list:

TF> I have noticed that I can now delete attachments named winmail.dat
TF> (was not possible in earlier versions).

Never pay attention on it.
Question : what happen if you delete winmail.dat in the past ?

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Created : Monday, November 22, 1999, 17:30:33 (GMT + 07:00)

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Test

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Please ignore !


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Re: beta 12 out

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Marek Mikus,

On dated Thursday, October 07, 1999, 15:30:39 you told to the list:


MM>  repaired error after change resolution :-))

MM>  ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/beta/thebat.zip

Lucky me, 1.36Beta/11 never running in mine. At startup allways error:
Access Violation at address 0041C768 Read Address 02000335.

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Created : Thursday, October 07, 1999, 18:41:39 (GMT + 07:00)

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Created : Thursday, October 07, 1999, 18:41:39 (GMT + 07:00)

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Alexander Drunin,

On dated Wednesday, October 06, 1999, 12:54:06 you told to the list:

AD>   I'm using The Bat! Version 1.36 Beta/10
AD>   under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5
AD>   and would like to report a bug

AD>   The bug description:

AD>   I can't view .JPG attachments in beta 10, beta 9 was free from
AD>   this bug

I can't confirm this, it's OK here.

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Created : Wednesday, October 06, 1999, 13:05:58 (GMT + 07:00)

I am using The Bat! 1.36 Beta/10  at
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Created : Wednesday, October 06, 1999, 13:05:58 (GMT + 07:00)

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Re: The Bat! - bug report - Copy to clipboard does not work in Original-Text panel

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Konstantin Gonikman,

On dated Tuesday, October 05, 1999, 23:36:17 you told to the list:

MG>> Also, copying text from displayed HTML messages doesn't work.

KG> it  doesn't  work  if  you use shortcut. But it works with the right
KG> pull-down menu. BUG?

Affirmative !

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Created : Wednesday, October 06, 1999, 12:37:30 (GMT + 07:00)

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Re: new beta 10

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Ali Martin,

On dated Wednesday, October 06, 1999, 0:21:27 you told to the list:

SH>> BTW. How about the "cut and paste bugs" at your end ?

AM> I can copy paste from the 'Original text' pane in the message editor but

Aha, I found now.
If  using  "edit  menu"  I can copy/cut and paste, but if using "right
click menu" I can't cut and paste.

AM> I can't copy paste from HTML messages using this current beta.

For  this case, I can copy and paste (from other msg in HTML format to
current edit message).

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Created : Wednesday, October 06, 1999, 11:31:45 (GMT + 07:00)

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Re: Follow Up Field

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Aha, it's change something, look at this :

SH> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
SH> TO: Marek Mikus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
SH> Subject: Re: Follow Up Field
SH> In-reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Testing
SH> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Testing
 
 look at this

Marek,
How about this at yours ?

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MM>> You can't edit this field.

SH> Really  ?  Just  for  test, I am adding word Testing to the field,
SH> look what happen !

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I am using The Bat! 1.36 Beta/4  at
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