Re: 5.0 showstoppers - Hang on sendng mail - mail NOT sent
Hello Dwight, Monday, January 17, 2011, 5:09:45 PM, you wrote: On Monday, January 17, 2011, 6:32:37 AM, Tony Hoare wrote: TB Connection Centre sometimes hangs on sending an email. The mail is actually sent but CS shows as still sending. Confirmed. You can't close TB! in that case and after killing it and restarting it still shows the task for sending. Reported: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8350 I believe that is the same problem as https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8285 OK, I now have the situation where the email was NOT sent. I can see that this send do not have the log message expected; 27/01/2011, 10:17:50: SEND - connection finished - 1 message(s) sent Can anyone confirm this? This is now URGENT as we cannot tolerate an email client that only randomly sends mail. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.0.132 BETA Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers - Hang on sendng mail - mail NOT sent
Hello All, Snip... This is now URGENT as we cannot tolerate an email client that only randomly sends mail. Another failed send. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.0.132 BETA Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers - Hang on sendng mail - mail NOT sent
On Thursday, January 27, 2011, 4:25:41 AM, Tony Hoare wrote: OK, I now have the situation where the email was NOT sent. I can see that this send do not have the log message expected; 27/01/2011, 10:17:50: SEND - connection finished - 1 message(s) sent are you sure it was not sent? (Have you confirmed non-receipt with the intended recipient?) -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.0.132 BETA on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers - Hang on sendng mail - mail NOT sent
Hello Dwight, are you sure it was not sent? (Have you confirmed non-receipt with the intended recipient?) I am waiting on his call. It's quite embarrassing to have to call a person when you really would like to converse with them by email. The worry is that I have just assumed that previous emails have been sent but I am starting to have doubts especially emails to those people who you would like a response from but need to let them do it their own time. I hope RIT address some of these total showstoppers before rolling a nice-to-have extra feature. An email client that you cannot trust is useless. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.0.132 BETA Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 5.0 showstoppers - Hang on sendng mail - mail NOT sent
Hello all, Thursday, January 27, 2011, Tony Hoare wrote: Hello Dwight, are you sure it was not sent? (Have you confirmed non-receipt with the intended recipient?) I am waiting on his call. It's quite embarrassing to have to call a person when you really would like to converse with them by email. open account properties and in Transport section, enable SMTP protocol logging, TB will log complete connection between client and server, You will see everything there. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.132 BETA under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.3 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers - Hang on sendng mail - mail NOT sent
Hello Marek, Thursday, January 27, 2011, 7:30:02 PM, you wrote: Snip... open account properties and in Transport section, enable SMTP protocol logging, TB will log complete connection between client and server, You will see everything there. Doh! I'll try that. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.0.132 BETA Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi, Just realized that that also happens if you start in a subfolder of an IMAP account. this one is driving me nuts. So In an IMAP account, you have a long list of entries all parked. Then I deleted tehm all and some of them come back... Obviously because the folder is refreshed while deleting the mails. -- Best regards Raymund Using 5.0.0.132 BETA on Windows 7 (64 Bit) Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Dear List, @15-Jan-2011, 12:31 Marck Pearlstone [MP] in mid:91785809.20110115123...@silverstones.com said to Stefan: ... snip MP Not sure if this one is reported or what the BT reference is, but MP while not a crash is a major usability impediment: TB *never* checks MP my IMAP account for new messages unless done manually. Not even MP sending command line /CHECK or /CHECKALL makes it happen. Further information: when I select another IMAP folder in the account, any waiting mail appears in the Inbox. So, I tried using the /FOLDERF= command to see if that would trigger a mail collection automatically. What I got when this command was invoked from a Powerpro timer was a blank un-closable window opened from within the TB process with a random title. I saw Address Book, Connection Center and Dummy. The only way of getting rid of these windows was to shutdown TB. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.0.132 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600 ' pgpxeG6cjXeHv.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi Marck, Further information: when I select another IMAP folder in the account, any waiting mail appears in the Inbox. That behaviour is consistent with what I see if I resume after hibernate. I need to switch to another folder to push TB! into reconnecting. I think the problem is the 'When *online*, refresh the folder every 1 min' setting. As after the resume, TB isn't online but disconnected. The setting should be treated like in POP account, try refreshing every 1 minute and if needed connect first. -- Best regards Raymund Using 5.0.0.132 BETA on Windows 7 (64 Bit) Current beta is 5.0.0.133 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi, - Don't even think about sending a mail from a common folder with identity set (to an IMAP folder?). Because you end up with several parked messages that obviously contain drafts. See attached picture. Just realized that that also happens if you start in a subfolder of an IMAP account. -- Best regards Raymund Using 5.0.0.129 BETA on Windows 7 (64 Bit) Current beta is 5.0.0.131 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Stefan, So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! TB Connection Centre sometimes hangs on sending an email. The mail is actually sent but CS shows as still sending. If this message is a reply to another message and you try to reply to the original message again, TB says the message is being replied to and offers to open the editor which no longer exists. Sometimes, the Sent Mail filter does not run in this case, sometimes it does. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi Tony, TB Connection Centre sometimes hangs on sending an email. The mail is actually sent but CS shows as still sending. Confirmed. You can't close TB! in that case and after killing it and restarting it still shows the task for sending. -- Best regards Raymund Using 5.0.0.129 BETA on Windows 7 (64 Bit) Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Raymund, Monday, January 17, 2011, 9:47:42 AM, you wrote: Hi Tony, TB Connection Centre sometimes hangs on sending an email. The mail is actually sent but CS shows as still sending. Confirmed. You can't close TB! in that case and after killing it and restarting it still shows the task for sending. Reported: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8350 -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.0.129 BETA Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Snip ... After TB reads incoming mail and filters it to Inbox Known (that's what my test filter does), TB then selects Inbox Known because it knows there is a new mail to read(?), then IDLEs in Inbox Known. After this, new mail arriving in Inbox is not noticed because TB is watching Inbox Known. Reported: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8351 -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.0.129 BETA Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Stefan, So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! The adjusted screen layout preference (such as the vertical delimiter on the right side of folder list) returns on every start of The Bat. Changes do not seemed to be saved (ore reloaded?) correctly. Details section of connection center is transparent on the second (and every following) call. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8215 When quitting The bat, sometimes entries in exceptions log appear. Seems to be related with Folder compression or purge on exit... https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8225 Best regards, mse -- Using The Bat! v5.0.0.129 BETA with German language file [4.2.x_de – Rev. 2010-02-01] Operating system: Windows XP 5.1.2600 with Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
I know that there is still a lot of things to do and to fix, but we need to make a milestone release - there are just too many reason to do it and the main one is psychological - it's really difficult to (re)write code for more than a year and not to make a release, it's just too much of pressure. IMHO, it's very early for such release. Current release is very low beta stage, in my comprehension of releases. So excuse my boldness, but looking from aside I wouldn't even think about it Cheers Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
On Monday, January 17, 2011, 6:32:37 AM, Tony Hoare wrote: TB Connection Centre sometimes hangs on sending an email. The mail is actually sent but CS shows as still sending. Confirmed. You can't close TB! in that case and after killing it and restarting it still shows the task for sending. Reported: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8350 I believe that is the same problem as https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8285 -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.0.129 BETA on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Dwight, Reported: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8350 I believe that is the same problem as https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8285 Yup. Sorry, didn't see it. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.0.129 BETA Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Howdy, On 1/15/2011, 10:02 AM, Dierk Haasis wrote in mid:712517927.20110115160...@dh2publishing.info So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! In short: almost everything reported for the UI. The sheer number of error messages I get - i.e. closing TB leads to AVs, error messages on HTML message links, Message Browser windows not closing automatically when last messages is deleted - is a showstopper for anybody, especially potential new users [even if they are aware of what 'beta' means]. I can confirm the enormous amount of AVs that I get. I've consistently had to back down to 5.0.0.112 because of them. These have been the show-stoppers for me. -- Art Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands. __ The Bat! Pro v5.0.0.112 BETA on Windows 7 Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virtual folders (was:Re: 5.0 showstoppers)
domingo, 16 ene 2011 at 21:36, it seems you wrote: how could they work, if they do not refresh? ;-) The show the messages they should show on each start but do not refresh. So they're semi-working ;-) -- /\/ Using The Bat! 5.0.0.129 BETA Professional OTFE with iKey1000 / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 3) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 3.2.6.3 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Spanish Translator of The Bat! Current beta is 5.0.0.130 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Marck, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 12:31:10 PM, you wrote: Dear Stefan, @15-Jan-2011, 09:55 +0200 (15-Jan 07:55 here) Stefan Tanurkov [ST] in mid:715772315.20110115095...@thebat.net said to All: ... snip Not sure if this one is reported or what the BT reference is, but while not a crash is a major usability impediment: TB *never* checks my IMAP account for new messages unless done manually. Not even sending command line /CHECK or /CHECKALL makes it happen. TB now uses IMAP IDLE to wait for the server to notify for new messages which very good for push email. The problem is that TB idles in the mailbox you last looked at. If it idled in the inbox, then it would be notified of new mail and then inbox filtering is done. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Stefan, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 9:55:37 AM, among other things, you wrote: ST So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we ST will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. ST Thank you! I understand your wish to make a new issue but IMHO it would be catastrophic for Ritlabs to issue version 5 in its present form. As others have said, it is really no more than an alpha in its present state -- full of bits which do not work properly. My personal situation does not warrant using imap, I only use POP3. Showstoppers: 1. The virtual folders are not working properly. 2. The Read filters do not work. -- Best regards, Roger :flag-SouthAfrica: The Bat! v5.0.0.129 BETA (Home) POP3 , on Windows 7, version 6 1, build 7600 and Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Dear Tony, @16-Jan-2011, 13:05 Tony Hoare [TH] in mid:1506961616.20110116130...@parkinch.co.uk said to Marck: ... snip ... TB *never* checks my IMAP account for new messages unless done manually. Not even sending command line /CHECK or /CHECKALL makes it happen. TH TB now uses IMAP IDLE to wait for the server to notify for new TH messages which very good for push email. The problem is that TB TH idles in the mailbox you last looked at. If it idled in the TH inbox, then it would be notified of new mail and then inbox TH filtering is done. I only use the inbox for reading, so my TB is certainly idled in inbox but no new mail is ever notified unless I do a manual check for new mail. Inbox filtering cannot be done automatically because since build 114 I have been unable to use that functionality without completely crashing IMAP. The Do not use filters IMAP fine-tune option was added to allow me to continue functioning. Filters work perfectly when executed manually. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.0.129 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600 ' pgpd6q3vZNYfT.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Marck, Sunday, January 16, 2011, 2:19:56 PM, you wrote: Dear Tony, @16-Jan-2011, 13:05 Tony Hoare [TH] in mid:1506961616.20110116130...@parkinch.co.uk said to Marck: ... snip ... TB *never* checks my IMAP account for new messages unless done manually. Not even sending command line /CHECK or /CHECKALL makes it happen. TH TB now uses IMAP IDLE to wait for the server to notify for new TH messages which very good for push email. The problem is that TB TH idles in the mailbox you last looked at. If it idled in the TH inbox, then it would be notified of new mail and then inbox TH filtering is done. I only use the inbox for reading, so my TB is certainly idled in inbox but no new mail is ever notified unless I do a manual check for new mail. Inbox filtering cannot be done automatically because since build 114 I have been unable to use that functionality without completely crashing IMAP. The Do not use filters IMAP fine-tune option was added to allow me to continue functioning. Filters work perfectly when executed manually. I am on build 128 with filtering turned on. With inbox selected, and TB partially hidden behind another application, I can send myself email from another program e.g. Gmail web. I have a test filter (filtering by subject) and the mail shows up in the target folder. Perhaps, you can now turn on automatic filters in v128. I have also successfully tried this with a content filter. BTW, my email server has these capabilities showing IDLE : 14/01/2011 08:42:47 C: 1 CAPABILITY 14/01/2011 08:42:47 S: * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE AUTH=PLAIN ACL ACL2=UNION] Courier-IMAP ready. Copyright 1998-2008 Double Precision, Inc. See COPYING for distribution information. 14/01/2011 08:42:47 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE AUTH=PLAIN ACL ACL2=UNION -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Marck, Snip ... I am on build 128 with filtering turned on. With inbox selected, and TB partially hidden behind another application, I can send myself email from another program e.g. Gmail web. I have a test filter (filtering by subject) and the mail shows up in the target folder. Perhaps, you can now turn on automatic filters in v128. I have also successfully tried this with a content filter. BTW, my email server has these capabilities showing IDLE : 14/01/2011 08:42:47 C: 1 CAPABILITY 14/01/2011 08:42:47 S: * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE AUTH=PLAIN ACL ACL2=UNION] Courier-IMAP ready. Copyright 1998-2008 Double Precision, Inc. See COPYING for distribution information. 14/01/2011 08:42:47 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE AUTH=PLAIN ACL ACL2=UNION After much experimenting, I have discovered a problem though... After TB reads incoming mail and filters it to Inbox Known (that's what my test filter does), TB then selects Inbox Known because it knows there is a new mail to read(?), then IDLEs in Inbox Known. After this, new mail arriving in Inbox is not noticed because TB is watching Inbox Known. See the log below. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA 16/01/2011 16:56:31 C: 01541 IDLE 16/01/2011 16:56:31 S: + entering ENHANCED idle mode 16/01/2011 16:56:51 S: * 665 EXISTS 16/01/2011 16:56:51 S: * 1 RECENT 16/01/2011 16:56:51 C: DONE 16/01/2011 16:56:51 S: 01541 OK IDLE completed 16/01/2011 16:56:51 C: 01542 UID SEARCH 1:* DELETED 16/01/2011 16:56:51 S: * SEARCH 74410 74411 74412 74413 74414 74415 74416 74417 74418 74419 74420 74421 74422 74423 74424 74425 74426 74427 74428 74429 74430 74431 74432 74433 74434 74435 74436 74437 74438 74439 74440 74441 74442 74443 7 74445 74446 74447 74448 74449 74450 74451 74452 74453 74454 74455 74456 74457 74458 74459 74461 74462 74463 74464 74465 74466 74467 74468 74469 74470 74471 74472 74473 74474 74475 74476 74477 74478 74479 74480 74481 74482 74483 74484 74485 74486 74488 74489 74490 74491 74492 74493 74494 74495 74496 74497 74498 74499 74500 74501 74502 74503 74504 74505 74506 74507 74508 74509 74510 74511 74512 74513 74514 74515 74516 74517 74518 74519 74520 74521 74522 74523 74524 74525 74526 74527 74528 74529 74530 74531 74532 74533 74534 74535 74536 74537 74538 74539 74540 74541 74542 74543 74544 74545 74546 74547 74548 74549 74550 74551 74552 74553 74554 74555 74556 74558 74559 74560 74561 74562 74563 74564 74565 74566 74567 74568 74569 74570 74571 74572 74573 74574 74575 74576 74577 74578 74579 74580 74581 74582 74583 74584 74585 74586 74587 74588 74589 74590 74591 74592 74593 74594 74595 74596 16/01/2011 16:56:51 S: 01542 OK SEARCH done. 16/01/2011 16:56:51 C: 01543 UID SEARCH 1:* UNSEEN 16/01/2011 16:56:51 S: * SEARCH 61980 61990 61995 62013 62015 62016 62035 62036 62061 62103 62116 62121 62146 62156 62174 62176 62177 62178 62181 62190 62215 62225 62234 62259 62280 62284 68309 71623 73579 73844 74030 74057 74067 74084 74103 74113 74129 74154 74162 74163 74176 74225 74251 74258 74304 74339 74343 74358 74362 74364 74367 74381 74385 74395 74412 74413 74416 74417 74418 74419 74420 74421 74422 74423 74424 74425 74426 74427 74428 74429 74430 74431 74436 74437 74438 74439 74440 74441 74442 7 74445 74446 74447 74448 74449 74451 74453 74456 74457 74458 74459 74460 74461 74462 74463 74464 74465 74466 74467 74468 74469 74470 74471 74472 74473 74474 74475 74476 74478 74479 74481 74482 74483 74484 74485 74486 74488 74489 74491 74492 74493 74494 74495 74496 74497 74498 74499 74501 74502 74503 74504 74506 74508 74509 74510 74512 74513 74514 74515 74516 74517 74518 74519 74520 74521 74530 74532 74533 74535 74536 74537 74538 74540 74542 74543 74548 74549 74550 74551 74552 74553 74554 74555 74556 74559 74560 74561 74563 74564 74565 74568 74569 74571 74572 74573 74574 74575 74576 74577 74579 74580 74582 74583 74584 74585 74586 74587 74588 74589 74590 74591 74592 74593 74594 74595 74596 74597 16/01/2011 16:56:51 S: 01543 OK SEARCH done. 16/01/2011 16:56:51 C: 01544 UID SEARCH 1:* (DELETED UNSEEN) 16/01/2011 16:56:51 S: * SEARCH 74412 74413 74416 74417 74418 74419 74420 74421 74422 74423 74424 74425 74426 74427 74428 74429 74430 74431 74436 74437 74438 74439 74440 74441 74442 7 74445 74446 74447 74448 74449 74451 74453 74456 74457 74458 74459 74461 74462 74463 74464 74465 74466 74467 74468 74469 74470 74471 74472 74473 74474 74475 74476 74478 74479 74481 74482 74483 74484 74485 74486 74488 74489 74491 74492 74493 74494 74495 74496 74497 74498 74499 74501 74502 74503 74504 74506 74508 74509 74510 74512 74513 74514 74515 74516 74517 74518 74519 74520 74521 74530 74532 74533 74535 74536 74537 74538 74540 74542 74543 74548 74549 74550 74551 74552 74553 74554 74555 74556 74559
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Dear Tony, @16-Jan-2011, 16:29 Tony Hoare [TH] in mid:05805245.20110116162...@parkinch.co.uk said to Marck: ... snip TH Perhaps, you can now turn on automatic filters in v128. Okay - that's a resounding no. I couldn't even survive sending the previous reply with filtering turned on. Looks like that's never going to work for me. This still doesn't explain why I can only get new messages by manually polling. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.0.129 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600 ' pgp6LCneD33HB.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Marck, Sunday, January 16, 2011, 12:25:38 PM, you wrote: Okay - that's a resounding no. I couldn't even survive sending the previous reply with filtering turned on. Looks like that's never going to work for me. This still doesn't explain why I can only get new messages by manually polling. What is your setting under Account/Properties/Mail Management/Connect to the server. Mine is set for When The Bat starts. I then have Account/Properties/Mail Management/Imap Fine Tune/When online refresh every set to 1 minute. -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Dear Stuart, @16-Jan-2011, 12:53 -0600 (16-Jan 18:53 here) Stuart [SC] in mid:148141903.20110116125...@fastmail.fm said to Marck: ... snip This still doesn't explain why I can only get new messages by manually polling. SC What is your setting under Account/Properties/Mail Management/Connect to the SC server. Mine is set for When The Bat starts. I'll try that. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.0.129 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600 ' pgpGIqVGUuOVa.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virtual folders (was:Re: 5.0 showstoppers)
sábado, 15 ene 2011 at 21:10, it seems you wrote: please fix virtual folders, they are not working during whole alpha and betatest. They work, but they do not refresh until you restarts TB! -- /\/ Using The Bat! 5.0.0.129 BETA Professional OTFE with iKey1000 / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 3) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 3.2.6.3 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Spanish Translator of The Bat! Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Virtual folders (was:Re: 5.0 showstoppers)
Hello all, Sunday, January 16, 2011, NetVicious wrote: sábado, 15 ene 2011 at 21:10, it seems you wrote: please fix virtual folders, they are not working during whole alpha and betatest. They work, but they do not refresh until you restarts TB! how could they work, if they do not refresh? ;-) -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.129 BETA under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.1 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
... snip This still doesn't explain why I can only get new messages by manually polling. SC What is your setting under Account/Properties/Mail Management/Connect to the SC server. Mine is set for When The Bat starts. MP I'll try that. It didn't help. Still no auto-retrieval of waiting mail. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.0.129 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600 ' pgpkUsGHPJ2uC.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Stefan, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 2:55:37 AM, you wrote: During the last year, most of the program's code was completely rewritten because of the architectural changes to make IMAP working properly. I know that there is still a lot of things to do and to fix, but we need to make a milestone release - there are just too many reason to do it and the main one is psychological - it's really difficult to (re)write code for more than a year and not to make a release, it's just too much of pressure. I hope you're understand what I'm trying to say. I do understand and appreciate the hard work on the code to date. I'll do my best to summarize my bugs this weekend and get them posted to the tracker. Jerry -- Ethan J Mings President, The Desk Consulting Group Inc Oakville, Ontario Canada. L6L 3B7 Write to me at: qualityoff...@consultant.com Skype me at : ejmings Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello all, Saturday, January 15, 2011, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! well I understand You completely, but did You really tried new Image download Manager? It does not works completely! Non-working parts must be removed if they will not work before release. It is better to confuse users, they are waiting long time to see non-working things... And Virtual folders are not updated correctly, You must fix this too. And I am one who has problems with View modes? :-( Every start produces strange results, menu and context menu displays different VM than folder has and BTW do You really want to publish build with current Hints system and current templates? some showstoppers from BT: After upgrade from 4.2, message date of old messages is +2 hours https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8295 Received attachments can not be deleted since 5.0.0.127 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8330 Sending message is not possible via MAPI account in 5.0 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8329 Sometimes preview of IMAP message is empty since 5.0.0.127 beta https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8312 Menu entry Special | Open reply does not work https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8314 Menu group Special | Remind later does not work https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8313 Sometimes message preview is not displayed from begin https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8306 Smartpad allways reverts selected Character set to default https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8211 -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.1 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi Stefan, difficult to (re)write code for more than a year and not to make a release, it's just too much of pressure. I hope you're understand what I'm trying to say. I see your point, but make sure that you don't add new functionality then that isn't working yet (to name but a few: hints, image manager). So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. I'll try to check for BT later this day, but here are the annoyances for v.5 that really bother me: - No update of a common folder after a message from an IMAP account was filtered into it. The folder count gets updated though. Switch to a different folder and back shows the updated content okay. - Mailticker ages not working. Therefore I switched off Mailticker completely. As I tend to leave messages unread till I worked on them. - Tabs not correctly refreshing. If you have a quick search tab and switch to unread the content stays. Only 'All' triggers a refresh. - With a quick search filter active and a message displayed in the message window if you switch to another folder with no results for the quick search the message is still shown. Very confusing. - IMAP folder management needs to be reworked for release. Currently everyone tries to set there preferences there to no avail. -- Best regards Raymund Using 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows 7 (64 Bit) Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi all, ah, I forgot my top one: - Don't even think about sending a mail from a common folder with identity set (to an IMAP folder?). Because you end up with several parked messages that obviously contain drafts. See attached picture. -- Best regards Raymund Using 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows 7 (64 Bit) attachment: parkedmessages.png Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Sveiki, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 9:55:37 AM, you wrote: Hello All, During the last year, most of the program's code was completely rewritten because of the architectural changes to make IMAP working properly. I know that there is still a lot of things to do and to fix, but we need to make a milestone release - there are just too many reason to do it and the main one is psychological - it's really difficult to (re)write code for more than a year and not to make a release, it's just too much of pressure. I hope you're understand what I'm trying to say. That milestone release shoud be BETA. Current state of client is Alpha and really not ready for general public. So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! 1. Syncronization complete doesn't work. 2. Browse deleted messages shows only messages deleted from local cache and only for current session. All other messages flaged as deleted before or from other clients doesn't show up. Also preference for this doesn't stick after program restart. 3. When deleting multiple emails some messages are not deleted from local cache. You can still see them in the list and they disappear when switching folders. 4. Message list is not refreshed if emails are deleted from another client. 5. New thread sorting doesn't work most of the time. 6. Moving messages to Trash and marking them as read setting doesn't work. 7. Window split mode sizes are not remembered after restart in this version. 8. Image Manager is complete mess. Doesn't remember size window. Some buttons doesn't work as expected. Though I don't use it at all. 9. Links in mouseover overlay still appear even if hints are disabled. This is very annoying. I saw Marek Mikus filled a lot of major bugs in BT too. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Stefan and everybody, I've just downloaded 5.0 for the first time yesterday, so I have a fresh look at how it is different to 4.0 (as that is the version I normally use). I tested 5.0 for a few hours yesterday, and I definitely see some progress. I certainly hope that infrastructural changes will allow for faster development in the future — this is a good direction. Also I hope that architectural changes will make The Bat! less prone to bugs and regressions — this has been a major problem up to date. I hope for a cleaner, less-cluttered and more intuitive interface to appear during 5.x series (I already see some progress in this area too!). What I want to say is, it seems to me you've taken a good path. Having say the above I must also say this: current state of 5.0 is alpha. There is a number of features not working at all or misbehaving in an obvious way. If you want to make a “release”, which I understand (the “pressure thing you wrote about”) you may consider cutting out the misbehaving features first and then calling a release “an official beta”, a “preview” etc. This will allow you to close, summarize a certain period of work, without sending your audience a false message that 5.0 is actually ready to completely replace 4.x series. As for a list of bugs I absolutely agree with Raymund and Marek! Let me just draw your attention to some of them that are particularly annoying to me: * view modes misbehaving heavily, for example new thread sorting doesn't work at all, * selecting folders for IMAP and making them synchronize is a nightmare — I had to look in three different places: account properties, IMAP folder management and folder properties. What I ended up with is far from perfect: I see the usual folders and a folder [Gmail] below them in which there are all my gmail folders. I'd like to have things in the same way as I have them in Gmail; * there is annoying something appearing every now and then as I hover messages; it looks like a scaled-down message preview, but it is of no use; I'd keep that off by default * view modes are not saved at all This brings me to another point: one particularly nasty recurring issue in TB is not saving or not applying settings (this existed in 4.2 message list tabs; exists now in viewmodes). I mean that you may have two objects set up in the same way (for example two message list tabs) which have exactly the same checkboxes checked etc. but yet they work differently. You may fix these bugs on a more general level by doing two things: creating an abstraction layer for saving/reading settings and switching to a text-based settings storage. This last step would greatly facilitate bugs diagnosis, since also end users could see what's wrong. Regards, KT Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Dear Stefan, @15-Jan-2011, 09:55 +0200 (15-Jan 07:55 here) Stefan Tanurkov [ST] in mid:715772315.20110115095...@thebat.net said to All: ... snip ST So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we ST will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. o Some embedded images do not display in this version https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8323 o 5.0.0.12 Alpha Mailticker Virtual Folder Viewmode not saved https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7972 o Auto filtering crashes IMAP in use with MDaemon 8.0.3 (no BT ref) o Cannot edit redirected mail https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8197 o Error TMailMessage released before its use. in program window https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8319 Not sure if this one is reported or what the BT reference is, but while not a crash is a major usability impediment: TB *never* checks my IMAP account for new messages unless done manually. Not even sending command line /CHECK or /CHECKALL makes it happen. IMAP fine-tune settings are set to refresh folders every 90 seconds. This does not happen. Until this works, TB doesn't actually match minimum expectations for an email client. I think these are my main problems with v5. Having said that, it has been my only mail client here for 6 months. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600 ' pgpL5JFa1Lc2Q.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Marek, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 2:56:11 AM, you wrote: And I am one who has problems with View modes? :-( Every start produces strange results, menu and context menu displays different VM than folder has and No I have the problem as well. Am I the only one with filter problems? -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Stefan, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 1:55:37 AM, you wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! Mostly reported already, but: 1) Sync does not work https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8278 2) Filtering in IMAP does not work properly https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8123 3) View Modes not working https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8191 4) Image Viewer is unusable 5) Hints need to be addressed. Especially the hint while reading a message. At least the rest of them can be turned off. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
sábado, 15 ene 2011 at 08:55, it seems you wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. I created a lot of BTs, but from my list the only showstopper it's this: 5.0.0.x Alpha. Deleting attachments works but you need to press ESC for refresh the message or change the current folder https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8032 It evolved from not refreshing the deletion of the attachments, to show one error message each time you try delete one attachment and one chump at TB! closing, and now with 5.0.0.128 it's not possible to delete any attachment. This other it's not showstopper but it's very easy to fix: 0008179: 5.0.0.x Alpha - Make button zone of Image Downloader Manager bigger https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8179 -- /\/ Using The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA Professional OTFE with iKey1000 / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 3) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 3.2.6.3 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Spanish Translator of The Bat! Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
On Saturday, January 15, 2011, 8:55:37, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. New hints are a serious annoyance: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8189 (they're bad enough that I only tolerate them because this is not a finished version; if they make it to a release version without fixing the issues, I will start looking for another e-mail program). Ctrl+Shift+M marks all messages as read: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8336 -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600. ] The longer the title, the less important the job. -- McGovern's Law Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
On Saturday, January 15, 2011, 13:04:29, Krzysztof Trybowski wrote: * there is annoying something appearing every now and then as I hover messages; it looks like a scaled-down message preview, but it is of no use; I'd keep that off by default That's one of the new hints you're seeing. They can be disabled in preferences, but they still show up sometimes even if you disable them. See this bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8189 -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600. ] A good place to start from is where you are. -- Wolf's Law of Planning Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
On Saturday, January 15, 2011, 8:55:37, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. This one is very annoying as well: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8337 (next unread message in a new folder doesn't start displaying from the beginning of the message). -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600. ] The minute you sign a client is the minute you start to lose him. -- Public Relations Client Turnover Law Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Stefan! On Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 8:55:37 AM you wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! In short: almost everything reported for the UI. The sheer number of error messages I get - i.e. closing TB leads to AVs, error messages on HTML message links, Message Browser windows not closing automatically when last messages is deleted - is a showstopper for anybody, especially potential new users [even if they are aware of what 'beta' means]. Then there is filters which don't work correctly [several reports from different users], which I'd say is pretty important for an e-mail client: http://www.screencast.com/t/4eh3vJLV This may be because the messages get not marked read as thy should. These, too: - http://www.screencast.com/t/kky6QPWqm - http://www.screencast.com/t/BVxVH1nbRpLE - http://www.screencast.com/t/Os3TgJb1jKT1 - http://www.screencast.com/t/Vj3pr4eeRy - http://www.screencast.com/t/9uFNv3UfVP BTW, all this is with POP3, not IMAP! -- Dierk Haasis [DH² Publishing] The Bat 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info upon request We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. [Thomas Jefferson] Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi, DH The sheer number of error messages I get - i.e. closing TB leads to DH AVs, error messages [...] Do keep in mind that errors like this also exist in the current v4. Plus, v4 has modules that hardly work at all (IMAP). The question of a v5 release therefore is not whether v5 at this point in time is perfect, but whether it's better than the current v4 release. -- MfG, Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de The Bat! 4.2.18 Christmas Edition Windows 7 6.1 build 7600 pgplp0ixDiUdf.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
On Saturday, January 15, 2011, 9:11:27 AM, Alto Speckhardt wrote: Do keep in mind that errors like this also exist in the current v4. Plus, v4 has modules that hardly work at all (IMAP). The question of a v5 release therefore is not whether v5 at this point in time is perfect, but whether it's better than the current v4 release. This is a point worth considering. It has been a number of editions of v5 since I felt the slightest temptation to revert to v4. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Alto! On Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 4:11:27 PM you wrote: The question of a v5 release therefore is not whether v5 at this point in time is perfect, but whether it's better than the current v4 release. I beg to differ. First of all, I do not have any unforeseeable errors with v4, nothing out of the blue. Quite honestly I don't remember any showstoppers. Mind, I do not use IMAP. That is not to say that v4 is perfect but it works quite well for what it was originally programmed - and it does not throw unexplainable errors at the user. The last point is vital! IME it is the little nags which put off people a lot easier than one biggie [as long as the program functions at all, which for v4 is not necessarily the case for IMAP]. At the current stage v5 looks a lot more like a lab case, to try out how developer's ideas would work in general. A case in point is the - in my view completely superfluous - new 'hints', getting in the way instead of improving handling of TB. Contemplate a potential new user of TB happening upon a program that constantly reports errors, that loses [much touted!] view modes, obstructs my reading of mails with unnecessary hints*, shows non-existing messages, does not move deleted messages to the Trash folder but simply lets them vanish, annoyingly leaves open empty Message Browser windows, does not filter correctly. Be sure, this potential user will uninstall TB within an hour or two, probably actively do negative marketing. I would probably be a little more confident if I had seen any of the reported problems go away but they stay while the release notes are rather short with many a headscratcher. Currently v5 is ALPHA, I would be slightly disappointed to see it as a BETA. It is definitely not a good idea to make this a public release. *i.e. a hint containing a link my mouse hovers over when the link in the mail is already fully shown in the mail. -- Dierk Haasis [DH² Publishing] The Bat 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info upon request A good bookshop is just a genteel Black Hole that knows how to read. [Terry Pratchett] Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Alto, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 10:11:27 AM, you wrote: AS The question of a v5 release therefore is not whether v5 at this AS point in time is perfect, but whether it's better than the current AS v4 release. Several times each day I consider going back to v4 knowing that: 1) my adjusted screen layout preference will return every time I open TB 2) my cursor will be in the right position to add an address when forwarding an email 3) where filtered messages that are to be marked as read are actually marked as read -- Best regards, Richardmailto:newmangr...@gmail.com -- Using The Bat! v5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows XP6 Build 7600 Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Missing progressbar (was: Re: 5.0 showstoppers)
Hello all, Saturday, January 15, 2011, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! as I already reported, in 5.0 there is no progressbar when copying/moving messages between remote or local folders and when compacting folder, this is not maybe showstopper, but for basic users, this will be very missing feature to see what happens, https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8143 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8269 -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.1 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Corrupted Search bar (was: Re: 5.0 showstoppers)
Hello all, Saturday, January 15, 2011, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! since Quick search was removed from Smartpad and new buggy Search bar was introduced, I am really missing working search feature, since it has following issues: Smartpad: Focus is not placed in search field when is Ctrl+F used https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8141 Smartpad: Clipboard is pasted to Smartpad window, even cursor is placed in search field https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8142 Smartpad: Button Search left in new Search bar do not work https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8146 -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.1 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi Marck, Not sure if this one is reported or what the BT reference is, but while not a crash is a major usability impediment: TB *never* checks my IMAP account for new messages unless done manually. Confirmed here. I always thought that was an issue with hibernation... Having said that, it has been my only mail client here for 6 months. Same here. It's interesting what you can bear if it comes to The Bat! :-) -- Best regards Raymund Using 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows 7 (64 Bit) Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Stuart, On 15-01-2011 14:39, you wrote in mid:15410022090.20110115073...@fastmail.fm: Mostly reported already, but: 1) Sync does not work https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8278 2) Filtering in IMAP does not work properly https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8123 3) View Modes not working https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8191 These are my main three - and the reason why I cannot use the 5.x series. Also if the View mode changed bug has not been ironed out, this need to be fixed as well. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 4.2.36.4 Pro /thebat version extras MyGate, RSS /extras env. 4 IMAP (Courier) 1 IMAP (Fastmail), 1 POP3 MyGate, 350K+ msgs. /env. os Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
properly. I know that there is still a lot of things to do and to fix, but we need to make a milestone release - there are just too many reason to do it and the main one is psychological - it's really difficult to (re)write code for more than a year and not to make a release, it's just too much of pressure. I hope you're understand what I'm trying to say. No. If I am not ready with the scientific paper, I dont publish. If the carmaker is not ready with the steering wheel, the car is not sold. So, please post your showstoppers Read your mail. I know... to fix. Period. We are here not to change diapers. No, I dont get what you try to say. Come out with a flawless version for a change. Vili Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi, DH That is not to say that v4 is perfect but it works quite well for DH what it was originally programmed - and it does not throw DH unexplainable errors at the user. Good one. If I wrote a report for every runtime error or other failure v4 is giving me in daily use, you'd have trouble finding the few messages on this list that did not originate from me. DH [as long as the program functions at all, which for v4 is not DH necessarily the case for IMAP]. You said it. Please don't think that since you don't see too many issues with limited use (as is POP3 only) that all is well with v4. DH A case in point is the - in my view completely superfluous - new DH 'hints', getting in the way instead of improving handling of TB. At this point in time I couldn't care less if the vehicle that is v5 is sporting 500 PS or 550 PS. I'd be quite satisfied if it had four wheels. DH Contemplate a potential new user of TB happening upon a program that DH constantly reports errors [...] Which is the current v4. Thanks for proving my point. -- MfG, Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de The Bat! 4.2.18 Christmas Edition Windows 7 6.1 build 7600 pgpplAk7CECPG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Alto! On Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 8:39:06 PM you wrote: At this point in time I couldn't care less if the vehicle that is v5 is sporting 500 PS or 550 PS. I'd be quite satisfied if it had four wheels. Yes, and v5 might have some night ideas for an airbrush paintjob but it lacks doors, the hood comes of easily, three of the four tyres installed are either flat or rim only, the steering wheel goes left only, the passenger seat is a beer crate ... Sorry, it might be that v4 has severe problems, too*, but that is not the point. We are talking about v5 and its honours or shames. Just because A is nearly as bad or even worse than B doesn't make B good [enough]. BTW, many people are already leaving classical e-mail clients behind, they use Google Mail, Facebook mail, Twitter, IM. Let's not *try* putting off the few remaining folks [most of them in a businss contxt]. *And back when we talked a lot about IMAP being just retrofitted. -- Dierk Haasis [DH² Publishing] The Bat 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info upon request Statistics are like bikinis: What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Alto, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 8:39:06 PM, you wrote: DH Contemplate a potential new user of TB happening upon a program that DH constantly reports errors [...] AS Which is the current v4. Thanks for proving my point. Not this beta!... -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.33.1 Beta MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (0 days 12:43:25) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Virtual folders (was:Re: 5.0 showstoppers)
Hello all, Saturday, January 15, 2011, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! please fix virtual folders, they are not working during whole alpha and betatest. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.1 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello All, During the last year, most of the program's code was completely rewritten because of the architectural changes to make IMAP working properly. I know that there is still a lot of things to do and to fix, but we need to make a milestone release - there are just too many reason to do it and the main one is psychological - it's really difficult to (re)write code for more than a year and not to make a release, it's just too much of pressure. I hope you're understand what I'm trying to say. So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! Stefan - I have no IMAP accounts and can not even load the beta. -- Rick Few will have the greatness to bend history; however, each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope... and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. - Robert F. Kennedy v4.2.42 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi Stefan, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 12:55:37 AM, you wrote: ST Hello All, ST During the last year, most of the program's code was completely ST rewritten because of the architectural changes to make IMAP working ST properly. I know that there is still a lot of things to do and to ST fix, but we need to make a milestone release - there are just too ST many reason to do it and the main one is psychological - it's really ST difficult to (re)write code for more than a year and not to make a ST release, it's just too much of pressure. I hope you're understand ST what I'm trying to say. Yes, I understand that. I would have melted down long ago faced with your tasks (I am 68 years old, but I might have melted down even with this task even when I was 40). You all must have the patience of Job and have the mentalities of research scientists looking for disease cures for many years, bit by bit. I hope your family lives haven't suffered too much. ST So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we ST will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. ST Thank you! I don't exhaust all the features, so don't have any showstoppers to write about. But I will say that for my Gmail account with the IMAP option, versions 5 have worked better than versions 4.2xx ever did. There has been no problem handling an inbox queue (unlike versions 4). I am about to return to using TB as my primary, instead of Thunderbird. It is only a matter of time (and that is based upon my schedule of tasks, not based upon what more work you're doing). Thanks to Maxim and you and the team at Rit Labs for your work. And may the new year bring forth gifts and joy THROUGH you and TO you. -- Take Care, Bob -- Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me. This is our function, our challenge, our fulfillment - and our inheritance, to accept, embrace and share beyond all manmade boundaries. Using The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA Windows 7 6.1 build 7600 Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers - P.S.
Hi Stefan, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 12:55:37 AM, you wrote: [snip] ST So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we ST will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. ST Thank you! My P.S. to my last message - my inbox filters are working perfectly with Gmail's IMAP and TB! -- Take Care, Bob -- Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me. This is our function, our challenge, our fulfillment - and our inheritance, to accept, embrace and share beyond all manmade boundaries. Using The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA Windows 7 6.1 build 7600 Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi Stefan, On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:55:37 +0200 UTC (1/15/2011, 1:55 AM -0600 UTC my time), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: S So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we S will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. S Thank you! Certainly others have posted their stoppers, but mine is simple. I am still getting AVs when moving to a different message. This does not happen often, but often enough to be bothersome. Once the AVs start in a TB session, they continue. I am sending exception log to you off list. Regards, -- Gary Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Dear Gary, @15-Jan-2011, 15:40 -0600 (15-Jan 21:40 here) Gary [G] in mid:446197423.20110115154012@localhost said to Stefan: ... snip G getting AVs when moving to a different message. This does not happen often, G but often enough to be bothersome. Once the AVs start in a TB session, they G continue. I am sending exception log to you off list. I class this as part of the behaviour I see when I get the TMailMessage released before its use. error. So - confirmed! -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.0.129 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600 ' pgpWJP6ZGMiTo.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.0 showstoppers
Hello All, During the last year, most of the program's code was completely rewritten because of the architectural changes to make IMAP working properly. I know that there is still a lot of things to do and to fix, but we need to make a milestone release - there are just too many reason to do it and the main one is psychological - it's really difficult to (re)write code for more than a year and not to make a release, it's just too much of pressure. I hope you're understand what I'm trying to say. So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! -- Best regards, Stefan ...As you ramble on through life, brother, whatever be your goal: keep you eyes upon the doughnut, and not upon the hole! - Frederick Philip Wertheimer, marketing director for the Doughnut Machine Corporation (1927) Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
