Re: [New feature] Missing attachment reminder
Ian A. White wrote on 12/04/2010 at 07:52:48 +1100
subject [New feature] Missing attachment reminder :
Personally, such features sound nice originally, but end up being more
of a nuisance. It is like the boy that cries wolf. You simply stop
believing the program after false alarms and turn the feature off.
As an example, Firefox has an add on called NoSctipt. This is designed
to stop malicious scripts from running, thereby compromising your
system. The problem is that it makes browsing impossible as EVERY
script gets flagged and you have to make the decision. In the end you
keep picking allow so much that the function becomes essentially
useless. You end up disabling it. The same goes for the URL Manager in
The Bat!. Those who use HTML rendering end up allowing all as if you
don't, you may as well not have it. Funny thing is that many who don't
allow URL's to be accessed end up viewing the particular message in a
browser which accesses the URL's anyway.
It would be a pity of effort was put into this feature only to have
most people disable it.
I agree with this.
I would much rather see a macro where it would print a list of
attachments with the name of one attachment per line rather than the
current macro which shows them as a paragraph with one after the other
separated by a comma.
You can already obtain this feature using the XMP Macro Plugin coded
by Gaijin and adding a quick template:
%_A=%XMP_StrTrim('%ATTACHMENTS')%-
%IF:|%_A|=|none|:|%_A=|:||%-
%IF:|%_A|||:|PJ:
%_AC=%XMP_StrItemCnt('%ATTACHMENTS',', ')%-
%XMP_For('i',1,'%_AC',' %%_i) %-
%%XMP_StrItem(%ATTACHMENTS,, ,%%_i)%-
%XMP_StrC(\n)')%-
|:||%-
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Sincerely
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Re: [New feature] Missing attachment reminder
Google Mail has this feature too ! http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=143085 ;-) -- Mackley Italy Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[New feature] Missing attachment reminder
Hello TBBeta list members, How many of you forget to add attachments to messages? :) What do you think of a new feature in The Bat! (similar to one of the Linux e-mail clients) which reminds you of the fact that you forgot to attach files if you had written certain words, such as attach, attached or attachment? Any further suggestions? -- Sincerely, Alexander Petrari RITLabs Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [New feature] Missing attachment reminder
Hello all, Friday, April 9, 2010, Alexander Petrari wrote: How many of you forget to add attachments to messages? :) me :-) for example yesterday, last week, last month, well, very often :D What do you think of a new feature in The Bat! (similar to one of the Linux e-mail clients) which reminds you of the fact that you forgot to attach files if you had written certain words, such as attach, attached or attachment? Any further suggestions? this is cool, but of course there must be definition for different languages. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.2.33.9 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.3.7 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [New feature] Missing attachment reminder
Hi Alexander, Any further suggestions? nice. Also add an option to disable this feature. -- Best wishes Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [New feature] Missing attachment reminder
Hello Alexander, Friday, April 9, 2010, 8:16:51 AM, you wrote: AP What do you think of a new feature in The Bat! (similar to one of the Linux AP e-mail clients) which reminds you of the fact that you forgot to attach files if AP you had written certain words, such as attach, attached or attachment? Great idea! -- Best regards, Richardmailto:newmangr...@gmail.com -- Using The Bat! v4.2.33.9 on Windows XP6 Build 7600 Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [New feature] Missing attachment reminder
Hello Alexander Petrari, On Fri, 9 Apr 2010, at 15:16:51 [GMT +0300] (which was 14:16 where I live) Alexander Petrari wrote: How many of you forget to add attachments to messages? :) What do you think of a new feature in The Bat! (similar to one of the Linux e-mail clients) which reminds you of the fact that you forgot to attach files if you had written certain words, such as attach, attached or attachment? Nice idea for the feature. But it should allowed to be disabled by user in config settings. -- Kind regards GwenDragon Webmistress Using The Bat! 4.2.35 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 Website: http://www.gwendragon.de/ E-Mail: g...@gwendragon.de == PGP == E-Mail mit GnuPG signiert/Signed with GnuPG GnuPG-Signatur DSA/1024 Key-ID: 0x6E56AC7D4492AD16 Fingerprint: 0BC8 DDF7 E381 190B AF7D A327 6E56 AC7D 4492 AD16 == PGP == pgpeDjn3T5bqW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [New feature] Missing attachment reminder
How many of you forget to add attachments to messages? :) What do you think of a new feature in The Bat! (similar to one of the Linux e-mail clients) which reminds you of the fact that you forgot to attach files if you had written certain words, such as attach, attached or attachment? Nice idea for the feature. But it should allowed to be disabled by user in config settings. Have a checkbox and an editbox: Checkbox: Remind to attach files if the following words exist in the text Editbox: attach (and the user can edit this box by mellekel, ubereinstellungshwefelsaurescluss, tourdefrance, niktoneotsustvuyet.. etc. depending on his language) Be sure, TB only checks the text the user entered, not the quoted text. -- Vili Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SmartBat, new feature should be revoked
Hello Kertész, Thursday, October 02, 2008, 3:24:33, you wrote: PLEASE remove those X-es from the tabs. OK, we will remove it in the next beta. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 4.0.34.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: SmartBat, new feature should be revoked
PLEASE remove those X-es from the tabs. OK, we will remove it in the next beta. Thank you. I would not ask if it would not be really problematic. Also: could you tell me how could I change the order of the tabs easily? (Ok, I can close all of them and open them in the right order, as a workaround. I have like 20 tabs :) Passwords, banks, to do, one for each software we resell, etc.) -- Vili Current beta is 4.0.34.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SmartBat, new feature should be revoked
Hello all, Friday, October 3, 2008, Vili wrote: PLEASE remove those X-es from the tabs. OK, we will remove it in the next beta. Thank you. I would not ask if it would not be really problematic. Also: could you tell me how could I change the order of the tabs easily? (Ok, I can close all of them and open them in the right order, as a workaround. I have like 20 tabs :) Passwords, banks, to do, one for each software we resell, etc.) You can wait if will be moving tabs implemented in Smartbat od change order in SmartBat.INI (if You do not use OTFE) -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.0.34.13 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.0.1.2 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.0.34.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: SmartBat, new feature should be revoked
PLEASE remove those X-es from the tabs. OK, we will remove it in the next beta. Thank you. I would not ask if it would not be really problematic. Also: could you tell me how could I change the order of the tabs easily? (Ok, I can close all of them and open them in the right order, as a workaround. I have like 20 tabs :) Passwords, banks, to do, one for each software we resell, etc.) You can wait if will be moving tabs implemented in Smartbat od change order in SmartBat.INI (if You do not use OTFE) Actually, I use Voyager, so I cannot edit that... :(( -- Vili Current beta is 4.0.34.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SmartBat, new feature should be revoked
For some beta, the pads in SmartBat has an X (close) beside their names. I use SmartBat extensively, and I already closed two pads in a week. Problem is, even if I reload, the order of the pads cannot be changed. PLEASE remove those X-es from the tabs. -- Vili The Bat 4.0.24.13 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2 Current beta is 4.0.34.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New feature
Hi Stefan, On Sun, 6 Jul 2008, at 20:24:26 [GMT +0300] (which was 19:24 where I live) you wrote about: 'New feature' Looks interesting and does not look like a stretch from some of TB's capabilities. But IMAP first. :) Actually, Address History implements many of those functions. And yes, IMAP first :-) I suggest you have a closer look at Xonbi before comparing it with Address History. There are more differences than similarities. For example: Xonbi sits beside your message. You do not have to switch from a folder tree to another tree and back. Xonbi also automatically follows the current message: it automatically displays the history for the sender of the current message. It also shows what they call 'network', iow: a list of to and cc addresses from recent emails from the person, and much more. Please understand me: It is not that I am not happy with TB, but adding something like this to the product seems a logical thing to me. Much more logical than for example a feature as 'mail chat' -- Robert van der Hulst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 4.0.24.25 on Windows Vista.6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 4.0.24.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: New feature
Hi Robert! I suggest you have a closer look at Xonbi before comparing it with Address History. There are more differences than similarities OK, we'll check it out :-) -- Cheers! Stefan Current beta is 4.0.24.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: New feature
Hi Stuart! Looks interesting and does not look like a stretch from some of TB's capabilities. But IMAP first. :) Actually, Address History implements many of those functions. And yes, IMAP first :-) -- Cheers! Stefan Current beta is 4.0.24.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
New feature
I recently saw an Outlook add-in that I really liked. It is called 'xobni' (inbox reversed) and what it does is analyze your message base and display some information from the sender for the current selected mail message. This includes: - That persons network (recent addressees as seen in the message base) - phone number (when found in either the contacts list or a message footer) - recent messages - recent attachments - time of day (in the form of a small bargraph) that the sender usually writes messages - it (optionally) checks for the existence of a Linked In account for the sender and displays some of that profile info, including the senders picture when available. Has anyone else seen this, and would you like to see something like that in TheBat ? http://www.xobni.com/learnmore/ -- Robert van der Hulst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 4.0.24.25 on Windows Vista.6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 4.0.24.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New feature
Hello Robert, A reminder of what Robert van der Hulst typed on: Saturday, July 05, 2008 at 21:54:27 GMT +0200 RvdH Has anyone else seen this, and would you like to see something like RvdH that in TheBat ? Looks interesting and does not look like a stretch from some of TB's capabilities. But IMAP first. :) -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.24.24 On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current beta is 4.0.24.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New Feature Wish
Hallo Mary, On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:10:35 -0500GMT (10-10-2006, 0:10 , where I live), you wrote: MB === MB Warning - the TO address uses a different message template than the one MB that was initially applied. Do you want to discard any changes in the MB editor and apply the new template? YES/NO MB === I definitely wouldn't like to be bothered by this kind of things after editing the new message. Editing fixes the template, altering or adding addressees shouldn't mess with this. The reasoning behind this feature is to make sure that the computer takes care of your not making mistakes, but you're the brains of the pair not the computer. -- Groetjes, Roelof Postscript: The only thing of interest in some letters. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.85.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpyDpP2oO7PF.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.86.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: New Feature Wish
Hello Roelof! On Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 5:53 AM, you wrote: MB === MB Warning - the TO address uses a different message template than the one MB that was initially applied. Do you want to discard any changes in the MB editor and apply the new template? YES/NO MB === I definitely wouldn't like to be bothered by this kind of things after editing the new message. Editing fixes the template, altering or adding addressees shouldn't mess with this. Roelof, two things: 1) Would you ever even see this Alert box? Since you never make a typo in a header field? 2) Do you 2a) Use manually typed handles to invoke addresses in the To: field? 2b) Have %ENCRYPTCOMPLETE in the AB templates of any contacts for whom you regularly use manually typed-in handles? The reasoning behind this feature is to make sure that the computer takes care of your not making mistakes, but you're the brains of the pair not the computer. And I should be a letter-perfect typist, never make a typing mistake in the To: field, always notice if I do, and be it on my head if my entire bank account is emptied because of this kind of mistake? No, thank you. For myself, I simply abandon manually typed handles for those contacts whose AB templates include %ENCRYPTCOMPLETE. But--it's an academic question now. I get no sympathy for being human and making typos. And neither do other potential TB! user victims of this trap. So, forget it. As far as I am concerned, this thread is closed. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.86.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: New Feature Wish
Hallo Mary, On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 06:21:33 -0500GMT (10-10-2006, 13:21 , where I live), you wrote: MB 1) Would you ever even see this Alert box? Since you never make a typo in MB a header field? Your feature would be triggered when addressing an edited template to an addressee with an AB template. So if I want to use my account template for a contact with an AB template I start editing a message and afterwards set the addressee. Apart from that I never claimed that I don't make typos in header fields, but merely that that I check the recipient after typing. Check my new messages to the tb-lists and you'll see that I make plenty of typos in the subject header, that's why I'm in favour of spell control for the subject. MB 2) Do you MB 2a) Use manually typed handles to invoke addresses in the To: field? Hardly, my tendency to check the address before leaving the To: field causes the autocomplete to be triggered with my most common handles. But when your wish would be implemented I've no illusions whatsoever that the question will be triggered by handles only. TB makes no difference between handles and other addresses. MB 2b) Have %ENCRYPTCOMPLETE in the AB templates of any contacts for whom MB you regularly use manually typed-in handles? I don't %EncryptComplete for any of the contacts in my AB, nor did your wish state that you only wanted the alert triggered for just those cases. I could live with that, though I'd prefer an AB option like 'always encrypt messages to this contact' above an alert about templates. The reasoning behind this feature is to make sure that the computer takes care of your not making mistakes, but you're the brains of the pair not the computer. MB I get no sympathy for being human and making typos. And neither do MB other potential TB! user victims of this trap. You got lots of sympathy and you were offered ways to prevent your problem within TB's current possibilities. But there's no way to make these things absolutely fool proof. Next somebody (not necessarily you) types siss in stead of sis and starts complaining that it got send to a user siss at the same ISP (because that's the way these things work), so the suggestion comes that TB shouldn't send to addresses without a domain. There's always an extra safety wish and somebody who's bothered by it. -- Groetjes, Roelof Nobody notices when things go right, and I'm noticed. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.85.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp1eXDGFaWGq.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.86.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: New Feature Wish
10/10/2006 8:46 AM Hi Mary, On 10/10/2006 Mary Bull wrote: MB I get no sympathy for being human and making typos. And neither do MB other potential TB! user victims of this trap. Is it TB's responsibility to remind us when we forget to turn the coffee maker on too? At 64 I am still waiting to meet the person who wears out the lead in their pencil before the eraser. When convenience usurps function it bodes experiences that bless no one. Much better that we learn our limitations and implement management techniques that work for us rather than expecting those around us to subscribe to something that is not pertinent. You are not a victim of anything and TB has not set a trap. For your sake I hope you can accept this. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.85.03 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.1.2600 No IMAP OTFE Opera 8.5 Current beta is 3.86.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
New Feature Wish
Hello Everyone! Here are the steps to replicate the problem that I think will be helped by having my feature wish implemented: 1) In your address book put a nickname for one of your entries. 2) To the New Message properties for that entry include in the template the macro: %SIGNCOMPLETE. 3) Start a new message to this contact by typing the nickname (the handle) 4) But deliberately make a typo. NOTE: the handle has no domain with it; until you tab down, the address called by the handle is not in the To: field; if you make a typo, no address will be called. EXAMPLE: The handle is sis. Type siss in the To: field and tab down. 5) You will see that the default Account template is called, which does not include $SIGNCOMPLETE. And, unless you have previously modified it, the greeting will appear as you tab into the message body: Hello siss, 6) Delete the extra s. 7) Go back to the To: field and delete the extra s there. The address of your contact will then appear as you tab down. 8) Proceed to compose and send the message. Send it. Off it will go, unencrypted. Now, of course, if I had noticed that the address had not been invoked by my handle with the typo in it, I would have corrected it in the To: field before tabbing on into the message body and correcting the greeting. But, for four years this template has worked, and until today, I had never made a typo in the handle. For some reason I had an attention lapse. I cannot guarantee to myself that I will not have another lapse of attention. Therefore, my feature wish is for an Alert Box, which, when I change the handle in the To: field, after typing in the message body because my attention was distracted, will pop up. It might say something like (and a big thank-you to Alexander Kunz for this suggestion): === Warning - the TO address uses a different message template than the one that was initially applied. Do you want to discard any changes in the editor and apply the new template? YES/NO === Now, I do not plan to use handles with contacts for whom I have the macro %SIGNCOMPLETE in the New Message template--not any more. My safety will lie in bringing up a previous message, highlighting the address of that contact, and choosing Write a message to this address. However, this truly is a trap--albeit an esoteric one. The alert box might prevent some newbie (or not-so-newbie) TB! user from sending unencrypted sensitive material to his/her banker or accountant, when he/she intended to send it encrypted. All comments to this idea for a feature wish are welcome. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.86.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: New Feature Wish
Howdy Mary, Monday, October 9, 2006, 11:10:35 PM, Mary wrotened: MB Therefore, my feature wish is for an Alert Box, which, when I change MB the handle in the To: field, after typing in the message body because MB my attention was distracted, will pop up. MB It might say something like (and a big thank-you to Alexander Kunz for MB this suggestion): MB === MB Warning - the TO address uses a different message template than the one MB that was initially applied. Do you want to discard any changes in the MB editor and apply the new template? YES/NO MB === I've been watching this topic in this thread and the other for a while. And to be honest I am not sure on which side of the fence I sit. However if it is a problem, then we are missing a large part of the argument. I know Mary's point of view is focusing on the security aspect (which I believe to be a slightly erroneous aspect of the argument as I don't believe any security will be able to prevent anyone determined enough from reading your mail, but then I have not really looked into or read up about the security aspect and this is not on the topic we are here to discuss), however the point about template being applied after editing the message body is interesting. Personally having several accounts with slightly different templates for each one I have noticed this problem previously. If I have one account currently selected, and viewing from the mail ticker select a message, that has been sent to another account, TB will invoke the template that responds to the account selected in the main TB window. Now as far as I can see this is a similar situation to Mary's, where TB invokes the wrong template, or rather a template that we didn't want. I haven't really thought of whether this behaviour is feature or bug. I'm just used to it. Just my (largely irrelevant) 2p. -- Have Fun, Ben Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.86.02 falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 The dyslexic theorist suffering insomnia is still up all night pondering if there is a Dog. Current beta is 3.86.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: New Feature Wish
Hello Ben! On Monday, October 09, 2006, 5:54 PM, you wrote: Personally having several accounts with slightly different templates for each one I have noticed this problem previously. If I have one account currently selected, and viewing from the mail ticker select a message, that has been sent to another account, TB will invoke the template that responds to the account selected in the main TB window. Yes, I have struggled with this behavior, also. I found that the only thing I could effectively do was delete the message, move to the account whose From template I wished to appear in the new message headers, and start over. Now, one can do that in this situation. However, I had an attention lapse last week and sent a message to my nephew while I was in my account with the dutaint domain. Of course, he hit Reply and replied to me in that domain, and of course it was filtered to that collapsed account's Inbox. Took me a minute or so to realize where the message from my nephew that I saw on the server was hiding. So, I have attention lapses more often than I used to. And it would be nice if TB! could be coded some way that I could Customise it to protect myself. If not, I shall just go on living with it. But I shall certainly not invoke the address of new messages by typing in manually the handle any more, for my contacts in whose Properties I have %ENCRYPTCOMPLETE in the New Message template. Now as far as I can see this is a similar situation to Mary's, where TB invokes the wrong template, or rather a template that we didn't want. I haven't really thought of whether this behaviour is feature or bug. I'm just used to it. I'm used to it to. And I think it is the same sort of coding which produces it, as produced my really bad experience today. Just my (largely irrelevant) 2p. I think your 2p is right on the money, Ben. And now I'm used to this ignoring of my PGP template. The Bat! does it in two instances: 1) If I save a message as Draft, with the %ENCRYPTCOMPLETE macro in the contact's Properties, it goes into the Outbox--the only folder where you cannot modify Folder Properties. 1a) When I open that saved message in an editor to work on it a little further, the Privacy settings are changed. If--and actually I never save as draft any more, for messages I encrypt, because of this--I forget to pull down the Privacy menu and check the Encrypt when complete box, out it will go, unencrypted, when I press the Send button. 2) The second instance in which The Bat! disregards my PGP template settings for a contact is the subject of this thread. Thanks a mil for joining the discussion, Ben. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.86.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: New Feature Wish
Howdy Mary, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 12:21:12 AM, Mary wrotened: Personally having several accounts with slightly different templates for each one I have noticed this problem previously. If I have one account currently selected, and viewing from the mail ticker select a message, that has been sent to another account, TB will invoke the template that responds to the account selected in the main TB window. MB Yes, I have struggled with this behavior, also. MB I found that the only thing I could effectively do was delete the MB message, move to the account whose From template I wished to appear MB in the new message headers, and start over. There is another work around for this. Before you edit the message body go to optionsactive account and select the account whose default template you wish to use, and TB will change the message body to that template. However if you do it after you have edited the message body the template stays as initially selected, even though it will send through the other account. MB So, I have attention lapses more often than I used to. And it would be MB nice if TB! could be coded some way that I could Customise it to MB protect myself. MB If not, I shall just go on living with it. I agree, that it would be handy to have a warning message so that I could change the template that is being used, but I feel it should be turned off by default. Though having said that I normally hate warning messages, and I would most likely turn it off or ignore it. As I said before theres for and against then theres me on the fence. MB But I shall certainly not invoke the address of new messages by typing MB in manually the handle any more, for my contacts in whose Properties MB I have %ENCRYPTCOMPLETE in the New Message template. I don't use either of those features anyway, so I am not in a position to comment. Now as far as I can see this is a similar situation to Mary's, where TB invokes the wrong template, or rather a template that we didn't want. I haven't really thought of whether this behaviour is feature or bug. I'm just used to it. MB I'm used to it to. MB And I think it is the same sort of coding which produces it, as MB produced my really bad experience today. I think that user friendliness is a valid thing for programmers to go for, without sacrificing the functionality. If adding something makes the program easier to use then I am for it, having said that though we don't want TB to become so bloated with additional things that don't add real substance. So to sum up. I don't know whether I am in favour or against. Plus I am babbling. Just my (largely irrelevant) 2p. MB I think your 2p is right on the money, Ben. MB And now I'm used to this ignoring of my PGP template. Again not using security I can't give an informed opinion about this. MB Thanks a mil for joining the discussion, Ben. Always a pleasure M'Queen Trill. -- Have Fun, Ben Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.86.02 falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Im not only weird. Im gifted too. Current beta is 3.86.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
SOT exchabge of civilities between Ben A. and Mary B. [was Re: New Feature Wish]
Hello Ben! On Monday, October 09, 2006, 6:46 PM, you wrote: MB Thanks a mil for joining the discussion, Ben. Always a pleasure M'Queen Trill. Your humble servant, Alpha Ben. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.86.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
New feature (bug) with 3.63.09
Hi, It appears as though a new confirmation dialog has been introduced with this beta. The only problem is that the save confirmation now appears whenever the message editor is closed, even if the message has been saved. As a result, when you send a message and the message editor closes, you are asked if you want to save the message. Of course, this ends up putting another copy of the message in the outbox. As a result, you see the message there, believe there has been a problem and send it again. The problem is that when you send that you are asked if you want to save the message and the message gets put in the outbox yet again. What has been done to cause this behaviour? I find it hard to believe that this is spontaneous. -- Regards, Ian A. White, CPEng \ |\ | 2 Cumberland Street \ |_\ | Blacktown. NSW. 2148 \| \| Australia :Australia_Flag: Ph:0418 203 229 (Int'l: +61 418 203 229) Fax: (02) 9622 0450 (Int'l: +61 2 9622 0450) Home Page: www.wai.com.au mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] callto://waiwhite on Skype e-mail address not to be provided to any other party except with written permission of Ian A. White, CPEng. Using The Bat! 3.63.09 (Beta) Professional with MailWasher Pro Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 On Pentium M - 1.4 GHz, 1 GB RAM and 60 GB HDD Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
tb new feature : choosing a ldap address book as as the default address book of an account
Hi, I think it would be very interesting if we could choose as ldap address book as the default one from our accounts, just we can do with regular personal address books. IF you are interested in, please vote for it at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4275 And just a quick note : Does someone know if the wishlist is maintained ? I ask this question because I saw in the wish part of the bugtracker two of my previous wishes which are now almost three years old and whose status is still marked as new ! fun... -- Greetings, Claude Renaud Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
So...Yuki, what will you use that is competitive and fully supports DBCS? I've been waiting a long time, too. :-( P.S. Feel free to reply to me off list Current beta is 2.11 Beta/8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 10:02:41 AM, George M. Menegakis picked up a feather, dipped its tip in ink, and began scribbling: but surely you do not suspect betatesters of such idiocy? Yes, of course Thank you very much for your detailed answer. I think that solves the problem. I have nothing more to say. Is this irony? If it is there is a misunderstanding between you and Alexander. If it not irony, please disregard my reply ! If Alexander indeed yes of course suspects betatesters of such idiotic behaviour as complaining about the software when the phone cable is out of its socket, then I indeed have nothing more to say. No irony on any level. -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Japanese T-shirt collection: SPREAD BEAVER - Showing the Vaginal Area (on a teenaged girl) Flyin' high with The Bat! v2.01.7 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 2.03.10 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Wednesday, December 17, 2003, 12:27:15 PM, MaXxX wrote: If Alexander indeed yes of course suspects betatesters of such idiotic behaviour as complaining about the software when the phone cable is out of its socket, then I indeed have nothing more to say. No irony on any level. There is a misunderstanding. Your exact question was -but surely you do not suspect betatesters of such idiocy? And he replied -yes, of course to your question, or in other words - yes, of course I do not suspect betatesters of such idiocy You asked Is NOT A ? He replied Yes, NOT A If he though that we are idiots then he would answer NO NOT A thus A It has to do with the language interpretation of two negations. -- George M. Menegakis, System Network Administration Using The BAT! v2.03.10 on Microsoft Windows XPService Pack 1 v5.1 Build(2600) Current beta is 2.03.10 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Wednesday, December 17, 2003, 2:12:19 AM, Lourdes Jones wrote: All the bug reporters appear to be using the native mode. For example I would type ctrl + ` followed by a to get the same character as above. And it is THIS mode which is broken in the HTML editor. Yes, exactly. I cannot insert by pressing `;' and then `'. Instead of that, when I press `;' I got with the cursor between them. -- George M. Menegakis, System Network Administration Using The BAT! v2.03.10 on Microsoft Windows XPService Pack 1 v5.1 Build(2600) Current beta is 2.03.10 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Monday, December 15, 2003, 9:46:39 PM, Alexander Leschinsky wrote: Hello George, On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:03:20 +0200 (15.12.2003 18:03 my local time) you wrote about another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?, at least in part: GMMNo way. For example I cannot write accented greek characters using HTML GMM editor. Jesuis désolé pour ce Français stupide, mais c'est seulement exercice et essai d'exemple Whatever. If i try to write an accented letter in html editor, the accent itself and then the letter (without accent) are inserted. -- George M. Menegakis, System Network Administration Using The BAT! v2.03.6 on Microsoft Windows XPService Pack 1 v5.1 Build(2600) Current beta is 2.03.6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Hello Frank,
Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 08:44, you wrote:
FW Hello Jernej, hello tbbeta,
- AltGr+key doesn't work (eg. I can't enter any of these
characters: @{}[] in any other way than pasting them,
FW Confirmed, seemed that it doesn't matter witch Charset you're using
Not confirmed here.
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Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Hello MaXxX, hello tbbeta, Everyone complains? Whatever, they must be stupid users anyway, they don't understand how it was supposed to work, There must be someone who should explain it! e.g. the view-modes. As Dierk already wrotes, nearly everybody here has problems to adjust and to Understand the View-modes. Sometimes it seemed, that the betatesters do some kind of reengineering, and due to this, we very often interpreted things wrong, but how should we know the right way, if there is no description? It would be better, for all, when there is a new feature implemented that there is not only something like: [+] View Modes for message list There should also be a short description how it work's. like 1. Parameter Name 2. Where could I find it, 3. What's the meaning of the parameter 4. How could it be adjust If this would be done, the job of the engineer's and the betatesters would be much easier. -- Regards Frank The Bat! 2.03.6 / Windows XP Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.03.6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday, December 16, 2003/10:46:46 AM RE: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !? Greetings Matt, On Monday, December 15, 2003, 1:12:13 PM, you wrote: MT Wow...I just love the talk on this list. It's a freaking beta with all MT the requisite disclaimers associated with it. It isn't supposed to MT work. If you don't like it use the stable release. Yes, 2.02.3 isn't MT perfect but come on, name any piece of software that runs perfectly. MT Some of you have sooo many suggestions on how to run _their_ MT company...if you have all the answers, why don't you just start your MT own company and compete with them? I agree 100% Matt. If the version being run is not available from Ritlab's main download area and must be obtained through the beta pages then it SHOULD be clear to any experienced computer user that they are running a version that may contain bugs and some critical. Anyway ... - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr.®© Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 9.0b1 Comment: KeyID: 0x839F51C7 Comment: Fingerprint: 3ACA 8299 2605 96B7 98FB D71E F8C9 F22C 839F 51C7 iQA/AwUBP98pfPjJ8iyDn1HHEQIoGwCg2xp5iqsuX3DGkkOyIigCw3NJRAcAn1Ns rLGFBuWvzL5Mxyf6yDKEc5aN =mVBE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 2.03.10 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Hello DG,
A reminder of what DG Raftery Sr.®© typed on:
16 December 2003 at 10:49:17 GMT -0500
MT Wow...I just love the talk on this list. It's a freaking beta with all
MT the requisite disclaimers associated with it. It isn't supposed to
MT work.
No but the idea is we tell them what's not working and then they fix it
ready for the release. Well, that's the theory anyway!
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Re[2]: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Hello Jernej, On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:07:20 +0100 (16.12.2003 16:07 my local time) you wrote about "another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?", at least in part:JS How did you write them - while still in plain text editor, or afterJS switching to HTML?J'ai commut au HTML, ai crit le texte, Alt+numpad utilis pour les caractres spciaux-- Best regards, Alexander LeschinskyPowered by ? The Bat! 2.03.10 ? POP3 Catcher 1.3.718.1120 ? MyMacros 1.07Weakened by Windows 98 4.10. A - MOTD:The human race is faced with a cruel choice: work or daytime television.Unknown Current beta is 2.03.10 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Hello MaXxX, On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:49:32 +0100 (16.12.2003 15:49 my local time) you wrote about another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?, at least in part: M You seem to insist on a scenario wise programmer - stupid user. No, because I'm user too... But my experience and health teach me use position How I can use this tool, what is behind the scene, how adopt it to my specific tasks, which habits can be slightly changed for better result, because I'm interested in result, not in action... Well, it's lyrics :-) M Of course, there ARE degrees of stupidity beyond that ... M but surely you do not suspect betatesters of such idiocy? Yes, of course M WHO are you writing the software for, anyway? If the users claim that M this and that is unwieldy/unreliable/unfriendly/inconsistent, then M their wish should be your command, as they're your customers! When and where I said It will be so forever, because it must be so? Two times I wrote my vision of some parts of VM-interface (message-list header context-menu), which is unused toy now Other parts work now?... M View modes DON'T WORK AS EXPECTED. Where and under which conditions? Let's imagine I read nothing about VM and try to find problems DON'T WORK AS EXPECTED is not problem description, it's sensation, mood, impression, frustration, disillusionment, noncomplacency, insult There ARE still problems in VM, but spot of balance can be found -- Best regards, Alexander Leschinsky Powered by The Bat! 2.03.10 POP3 Catcher 1.3.718.1120 MyMacros 1.07 Weakened by Windows 98 4.10. A - MOTD: The cost of living is going up and the chance of living is going down. Flip Wilson Current beta is 2.03.10 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Monday, December 15, 2003, 2:09:10 PM, Kenneth S. Rhee wrote: Has HTML editor been fixed. Spelling check problems and other issues need to be resolved. No way. For example I cannot write accented greek characters using HTML editor. -- George M. Menegakis, System Network Administration Using The BAT! v2.03.6 on Microsoft Windows XPService Pack 1 v5.1 Build(2600) Current beta is 2.03.6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Hi, Please see below... On Monday, December 15, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does *your* TB! hang all the time and if so, are any reports submitted to the BT? trtdc What kind of answer is this!? Do I have to be personally able to trtdc reproduce every single bug others confirm, to be eligible to talk trtdc about it!? Please! I can confirm the at least one very annoying hanging problem. When I am collecting messages using the Message Dispatcher, about 1 time in 5, my Bat hangs. Let's say I get the information that I have 5 messages. I mark the ones I want to receive and those I want to delete. Then I click the Start Transfer button, and that's when TB hangs. I get a message Waiting for the dispatcher, but the dispatcher never starts. This has been going on for the last several releases, including all of the CEs. Currently I am using the latest - 6 or 06, whichever it is. -- Avi Current beta is 2.03.6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
On Monday, December 15, 2003 @ 10:55:41 AM [-0700], Dierk Haasis wrote: This is simply wrong, betas *are* supposed to work. If they were not, what to test? I should have said that betas don't usually work as advertised. And the original message you cited, and further messages by various ML members, were just pointing out what is a shame lately: We beta test, we find bugs - and they stay even through more than one release version. Instead of fixing known bugs RITLabs seems to be more interested in adding new features with not just possible but real new bugs. That's simply not good policy, neither technically nor from a marketing PoV as Maxxx and Allie pointed out. This is true. I just think that some of the discussions get way to accusatory toward Stefan. Maybe he gets paid handsomely to be the programmer-that-has-to-do-the-beta-announcements-and-gets-attacked...I don't know. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar as they say... -- Matt Current beta is 2.03.6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Hello George, On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:03:20 +0200 (15.12.2003 18:03 my local time) you wrote about "another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?", at least in part:GMM No way. For example I cannot write accented greek characters using HTMLGMM editor.Je suis désolé pour ce Français stupide, mais c'est seulement exercice et essai d'exemple-- Best regards, Alexander LeschinskyPowered by The Bat! 2.03.6 POP3 Catcher 1.3.718.1120 MyMacros 1.07Weakened by Windows 98 4.10. A - MOTD:Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.Dale Carnegie Current beta is 2.03.6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Hello Matt! On Monday, December 15, 2003 at 8:55:24 PM you wrote: This is true. I just think that some of the discussions get way to accusatory toward Stefan. Maybe he gets paid handsomely to be the programmer-that-has-to-do-the-beta-announcements-and-gets-attacked...I don't know. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar as they say... Actually Stefan *is* RITLabs, if nothing has changed over there. From my experience he knows how to take some of us, like Maxxx (Stefan's answer to him showed that explicitly), Marck, Allie, me, to name just a few. All in all I am still very satisfied with TB, but I am miraculously spared by all the serious bugs, the ones I encounter are mere annoyances. Nonetheless, lately there are more and more bugs, some grave (Jonathan Angliss couldn't even start TB), some core (IMAP still isn't working correctly), most annoying (View modes). Add to that some new features that are bells and whistles as Maxxx put it (UI cosmetics) and I really see what all the fuss is about. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 2.03.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Das 11. Gebot: Du solltest vertrauen auf Deines Nachbarn Dummheit. (Aleks Papst) Current beta is 2.03.6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Hello Alexander, On Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 00:54 GMT +0500, crowds cheered as Alexander Leschinsky [AL] unveiled: AL It doesn't happen at all, misunderstanding from user's side is NOT TB AL bug AL Context menu change VM always globally, changing VM in folder's AL properties change only one folder, also always. This one isn't a bug, but it is a rough edge. In every other respect, manipulating the column bar directly is a local change (well, it changes the current view mode, but that is sort of local). All of a sudden, right clicking on the column headers changes global options. That is counter intuitive. If the discrepancy is desired, then it should be made clear by the menu's wording. Otherwise it should change *local* settings. I suppose the third alternative is to add options to the menu so that *both* local or global changes can be made. For a feature that is otherwise so nice and reasonably easy to use, this is a huge stumbling block. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 2.03.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.03.6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 00:46:39 [UTC+0500] (Monday, December 15, 2003 20:46 my local time) Alexander Leschinsky wrote: GMMNo way. For example I cannot write accented greek characters using HTML GMM editor. Jesuis désolé pour ce Français [...] ^^ This is an example of one of the bugs in HTML editor. Of course, it is still impossible to enter accented ISO-8859-2 character as well. -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v2.03.6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4) Current beta is 2.03.6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Hello Alexander, On Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 00:54 GMT +0500, crowds cheered as Alexander Leschinsky [AL] unveiled: AL It doesn't happen at all, misunderstanding from user's side is NOT TB AL bug AL Context menu change VM always globally, changing VM in folder's AL properties change only one folder, also always. This one isn't a bug, but it is a rough edge. In every other respect, manipulating the column bar directly is a local change (well, it changes the current view mode, but that is sort of local). All of a sudden, right clicking on the column headers changes global options. That is counter intuitive. If the discrepancy is desired, then it should be made clear by the menu's wording. Otherwise it should change *local* settings. I suppose the third alternative is to add options to the menu so that *both* local or global changes can be made. For a feature that is otherwise so nice and reasonably easy to use, this is a huge stumbling block. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 2.03.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.03.6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
On
Monday, December 15, 2003, 20:46:39, Alexander Leschinsky wrote:
Je suis dsol pour ce Franais stupide, mais c'est seulement exercice et essai d'exempleHmm, lt me test this... Yup, seems to work...BTW, I just noticed a few bugs:-
Shift+Del doesn't cut the text; other cut/copy/paste keyboard shortcuts (Ctrl+X; Ctrl+Ins, Ctrl+C; Shift+Ins, Ctrl+V) seem to work though-
AltGr+key doesn't work (eg. I can't enter any of these characters: @{}[] in any other way than pasting them, since they're all AltGr+key combinations on Slovenian keyboard).-- Jernej Simoni, [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/http://deepthought.ena.si/[The Bat! v2.03.6 on Windows NT Clone 5.2.3790.]Only someone who understands something absolutely can explain it sono one else can understand it. -- Nobel Principle
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Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Hi Alexander On Monday, December 15, 2003 8:54:44 PM you wrote: It doesn't happen at all, misunderstanding from user's side is NOT TB bug Context menu change VM always globally, changing VM in folder's properties change only one folder, also always. This does not work over here. To change VM in folder's properties change does nothing. But if you think that all is a misunderstanding from user's side it would be great to give a exact description how to use all these different View Modes - Folder - Folder view mode - Folder - Copy columns setting to... - Folder - Properties - General - Columns settings - View - View threads by - View - View mode - Options - Preferences - Messages - View Modes (New from / Used by) - Right click menu: . Manage view mode . Create view mode . Setup view mode There are now *too many* places where View Mode can be set - it is not a misunderstanding from user's side - it's a mess... -- Best regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat! 2.03.6 on Windows 2000 5 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 2.03.6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Hi Alexander On Monday, December 15, 2003 8:54:44 PM you wrote: It doesn't happen at all, misunderstanding from user's side is NOT TB bug Context menu change VM always globally, changing VM in folder's properties change only one folder, also always. This does not work over here. To change VM in folder's properties change does nothing. But if you think that all is a misunderstanding from user's side it would be great to give a exact description how to use all these different View Modes - Folder - Folder view mode - Folder - Copy columns setting to... - Folder - Properties - General - Columns settings - View - View threads by - View - View mode - Options - Preferences - Messages - View Modes (New from / Used by) - Right click menu: . Manage view mode . Create view mode . Setup view mode There are now *too many* places where View Mode can be set - it is not a misunderstanding from user's side - it's a mess... -- Best regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat! 2.03.6 on Windows 2000 5 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 2.03.6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Hello Januk, On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:52:42 -0800 (16.12.2003 01:52 my local time) you wrote about another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?, at least in part: JA This one isn't a bug, but it is a rough edge. Yes, agree And I wrote some (days, weeks) ago about my _own_ vision of View Modes in message-list headers context-menu. Maybe, it's also unnecessary complex, but, from my POV, more logical and usable Short remake: 0. It must be not global, but folder-specific, with some possible extenders 1. Changing with menu in folder with Account default... change VM for all folders in _current account_ with Account default 2. Changing VM from one to another will change VM for all folders in account with this VM (and another folders will show after it new VM in properties) 3. Changing to VM from Use folder's specific change nothing in other folders -- Best regards, Alexander Leschinsky Powered by The Bat! 2.03.10 POP3 Catcher 1.3.718.1120 MyMacros 1.07 Weakened by Windows 98 4.10. A - MOTD: I hate mankind, for I think myself one of the best of them, and I know how bad I am. Samuel Johnson Current beta is 2.03.6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Hi Alexander On Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:28:05 AM you wrote: MS But if you think that all is a misunderstanding from user's side it MS would be great to give a exact description how to use all these MS different View Modes Yes, it will be, when we'll get some final status of VM, I think Better would be to tell us *now* which and where you wanted to implement this different view modes - then we can test and see if this really works or not. It's quite difficult to test a feature when there is no information what it should do and the only answer is that there is a misunderstanding from user's side... -- Best regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat! 2.03.6 on Windows 2000 5 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 2.03.6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: another new feature, with the old ones still unfixed !?
Hello Alexander! On Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 2:12:31 AM you wrote: If it's bug - but if it's misinterpretation? Context menu _not_ intended for changing View modes on folder-level basis, it _has_ different reason (fast test of VM), at least for current state of art. I don't say that it is always the fault of the sender (in this case: the one issuing a statement) when a misinterpretation occurs. But in this case it obviously is. Not one of us did understand the current View Modes feature correctly. Simply put: The programmers invited misinterpretation. Instead of - and that's what Maxxx wrote - blaming us, Alexander, it would be easier and better, particularly from a marketing perspective, to just think about it again and then change it. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 2.03.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Paying for movies is like paying for sex - if it's free it feels better. Current beta is 2.03.6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Next Unread Msg - New Feature
SM Thanks to all who responded. I have tried the various suggestions but SM basically I believe this is still a problem. SM [anip] . but I repeat my request :- SM Please go to the unread msg in all cases. If necessary automatically SM expand the parent. I am very pleased to report that I have tried TB! 1.53b3 and this is now fixed. An excellent new feature! Thank you ... the Bat Boys!! Best regards, Steve Mullarkey. Tascom Pty Ltd. Berry, NSW 2535, Australia. Tel : (61)-(2)-4464-3328 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Next Unread Msg - New Feature
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Steve On 10 May 2001 at 12:07:05 +1000 (which was 03:07 where I live) Steve Mullarkey escreveu I warmly welcome the new feature where Ctrl [ opens the next unread msg across multiple folders. Excellent! However, I keep getting a msg :- Parent must be expanded. I have found that you need to have both the account and the inbox expanded to get this. (I have all my folders under the inbox) - -- HAND, ___ David | MUA:- The Bat! 1.52f | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2000 Server 5.0.2195 SP1 | International | | * * * * * * * * * --- Tribbles 'n Bits | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 05) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBOvpQb/mK8eZlD0U0EQKSkwCfRiPWjqvbhYSlMTJuGdAKztpX+HEAn3Ux 8bkJ6F5RNVPsHzhq6iPjQXYi =4/4u -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Next Unread Msg - New Feature
Hi Tbbeta, I warmly welcome the new feature where Ctrl [ opens the next unread msg across multiple folders. Excellent! However, I keep getting a msg :- Parent must be expanded. I can manually expand the parent but why not doesn't TB! do it automatically. I have several hundred folders. Some of them are several levels deep. Expanding them manually is a pain and negates the value of this otherwise excellent new feature. So, my request :- Please go to the unread msg in all cases. If necessary automatically expand the parent. Thanks. Best regards, Steve Mullarkey. Tascom Pty Ltd. Berry, NSW 2535, Australia. Tel : (61)-(2)-4464-3328 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Next Unread Msg - New Feature
Hello Steve, On Thu, 10 May 2001 12:07:05 +1000GMT (10/05/2001, 10:07 +0800GMT), Steve Mullarkey wrote: SM I warmly welcome the new feature where Ctrl [ opens the next unread SM msg across multiple folders. Excellent! SM However, I keep getting a msg :- SM Parent must be expanded. I use crtl-] and don't get this error message. BTW it is an old feature and has been there for a while. What is new is that is has been expanded to work across folders. ;-) SM So, my request :- SM Please go to the unread msg in all cases. If necessary automatically SM expand the parent. Does if you use crtl-]. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.51 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 with a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Next Unread Msg - New Feature
Hello Steve, Thursday, May 10, 2001, 6:07:05 AM, you wrote: SM However, I keep getting a msg :- SM Parent must be expanded. Upgrade to the latest release of The Bat! You are using beta/14, and several fixes for the Ctrl+[ were introduced in the final version (the version number is at least 1.52f). -- Best regards, Andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
New Feature?
Hello, I just noticed that at the bottom of the editor, the account I'm using to compose the message is listed. It is right next to the Character Set being used. If I right click on it I can change the account immediately. Is this a new feature for the 1.42 Betas, or have I had my eyes sewn shut until now? In either case, it is a very convenient feature. -- Thanks, Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/17 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: New Feature for The Bat
Hello List Members, on 27.11.1999 at 13:29, Ali Martin wrote: Wie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your suggestion. and I want to give suggestion to You my new friend,... "See The World, Please !! :-P" [Not flame :-)] Zoom, zoom, zom! :) Things are not as they seem eh? Somewhere somewhen I was told that TLD's have to have more than 2 chars in name times are changing, sigh. Sometimes an obvious issue turns into opposite ...and: shit happens :-) Regards Dieter Hummel Running TheBat! 1.38 Beta/4 on Windows NT v4 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 ...Milkmen deliver twice a week. -- Dieter Hummel, FRA/GER 65931 - EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fingerprint: 0CFC 7D1C 1D53 E341 593A 4C32 F723 0CB6 PGP-Key: send email with 'send public keys' in subject -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: New Feature for The Bat
Hello List Members, on 27.11.1999 at 12:18, Wie wrote: This is my real email address [forwarder email of course :-)] and Wie is my real name...[not my formal name,.. Wie is my Home name] And @i.am is a correct domain,.. and that is a very cool I've learned that rules changed silently. Thanks. Regards Dieter Hummel Running TheBat! 1.38 Beta/4 on Windows NT v4 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 ...Real men don't lift weights, they lift women. -- Bryan Pitts -- Dieter Hummel, FRA/GER 65931 - EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fingerprint: 0CFC 7D1C 1D53 E341 593A 4C32 F723 0CB6 PGP-Key: send email with 'send public keys' in subject -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
