Re: TBALPHA - or just calm the heck down?
Hello MaXxX, Friday, August 13, 2004, 18:54 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you never been pissed off by your own bugs being left unfixed for what seems like millennia? Sure, I'm sitting on 6 bugs now and waiting and waiting. Maybe Rit gives after the NFS another bugfixing beta, where the old bugs have priority ... *hope* even a bug, discussed and identified and repeated in a 100-message thread, sometimes simply gets ignored. How true. And if you complain you hit the wrong: 9Val - he seems at the moment the only one which lives and helps this list. Sad but true. What I'd like is a list on which each bug found gets its thread, which ends in the devs saying okay, seems to be fixed, try it now, the testers replying okay, seems to be fine, wham, thread closed. Agree here totaly. I hate it, when the bug was fixed and beta testers still confirm the bug, not knowing that it was fixed. Thats waste of time. But I also dislike it, if a bug in BugTracker has the state verify wait and the reporter doesn't close it. I hope Stuart Hemming will close his reports after Beta 5 is out ... -- Regards, Richard Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 2.13 'Lucky' Beta/4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug: Order of actions in NFS
Hello Allie, Wednesday, August 18, 2004, 21:39 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So I think the best solution is, that TheBat! do its action like they are listed in NFS: flag message copy message park message means, that the copies are flagged, but not parked. I disagree. All three should be done since the message is still available for all three actions to be carried out. I'd certainly want all three to be done if I set them up to be done as such. Well, all three are carried out to the original message. The original message is flagged, and parked. But the copie isn't parked, because at the moment, the coppy was created, the orginal message wasn't parked. If this will be realized, it would be good, if TheBat! check (before saving the filter) if there are actions after delete message and move message and remind the user that these action will never be done: delete message run external program play sound Are you saying the latter two actions shouldn't be carried out? I disagree again. Yes, with the my first suggestion, maybe the second is better: Another solution would be, that TheBat! move these action at the end of the list. So TheBat! would sort: run external program play sound delete message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] These bugs are simply bugs that need to be fixed. And how? They aren't symptoms of filter actions needing to be nullified or preventing from occurring because of a prior action. I disagree! The filter is: delete message read message If you run that filter, the message disappear (deleted) and appear again, because its marked as read. There are two possibilitys (which i can imagine) to solve this: Sort read message delete message and do it in that sequence or ignore the filter options after move or delete message (with a warning, so the user know what has happend) Crippling filter action sequences is a bad way of fixing the problem. The problems are made by design - so correct the design, the problems will disappear. The NFS works the same as MDaemon's filtering system. The actions are carried out as they're described in the filter rule. The rule itself, makes it seem to the user that the actions will be carried out in the sequence described. Then the first sentence is wrong: NFS don't go in the sequence but random - in NFS it doesn't matter if you select delete message copy message or copy message delete message Or miss I something? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 2.13 'Lucky' Beta/6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NSF: Editing a filter, doesn't stick
Hello Stuart, Friday, August 20, 2004, 01:38 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I created a filter with four conditions and saved it. Found I needed to delete one of the conditions, but when I did and reopened the filter the change did not stick. Confirmed. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 2.13 'Lucky' Beta/6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS Bug: Filters moved-in as sub-filter not sticky between sessions
Hello MAU, Monday, August 23, 2004, 11:13 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm moving-in some filters as sub-filters and if I exit and start TB the changes (the moved-in filters) have not been saved. It looks like the new setup is not saved if the only change is some filters moved-in as sub-filters. Confirmed. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 2.13 Beta/7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS Bug: YES as a sub-filter but NO as a filter
Hello MAU, Monday, August 23, 2004, 11:25 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TB! Message Filter beginFilter UID: [6FBF6861.01C48838.255F0232.619556FE] Name: Lista\20SIG Filter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MoveMessage folder \5C\5CMAU\5CMailing\20Lists\5CRed\20Iris\5CSIG endFilter If I use it as a filter, the log shows that some messages have produced a match but the move action is not carried out Can't confirm. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 2.13 Beta/7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Some minor Bugs in NFS
Hello list,
UI Bug: Only 1. Subfilter is shown when opening NFS
Create a filter with 2 subfilters.
Close NFS
Open NFS: Now you can only se the filter with the first subfilter (but
not the second one).
See 01.gif
Re-Filter ignores filter with hotkeys
If a filter has a hotkey it's not executed by Refilter messages.
BTW: It would be greate if the NFS had the option This rule is
executed only by pressing the hotkey like the OFS had.
Read filter doesn't work
Filter:
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [86F8A966.01C489B2.4EC6AF90.00F031D5]
Name: Test\20Read
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`21\0D\0A}
Park
endFilter
But if a mark a message as unread, and read it, the message isn't
parked.
Confirmations?
--
Regards,
Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de
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Yet another feature-request list (for NFS)
Hello all, I think it would be a good idea, to collect the feature request in this thread. I want to start with 11 FR, have you any supplements or criticism? 01. Common Filter Wish you could say for each common filter, whether it has higher or lower priority then account filters. 02. Remember Focus TheBat! should remember for account, which filter was selected. So if you select Common Filters the focus should jump e.g. to the third read messages. 03. New Condition: Address Book Contact Should check, whether From-Address is one of them, which are in the Adress Book Contact of (e.g) 9Val. Sense: If 9Val change his E-Mail adresse, I must only change the address in the address book (and not in the three filters in NFS and in his VF) (I think I suggested this alread :-) 04. Re-filter messages The order of rule set to apply should be the same as in NFS and contain the possibility to filter with common filter: [ ] Common Filters [ ] Outgoing mail [ ] Read messages [ ] Replied messages 05. Action: Delete There should be following options: [ ] delete parked message also [ ] move in trash [ ] Compress folder after deleting 06. Action: Move There should be added the option: [ ] move parked message also [ ] unpark message 07. If you press a letter e.g. a then the focus should jump throw the filters,which starts with a. Worked in the OFS just fine - miss it in NFS, yet. 08. Selectiver Download I'm missing them ... 09. There should be a hotkey, which opens the context menu of the condition. With space you can jump throw the options but I think, it can't be too hard, to set the arrow-down to open the context menu. 10. Condition Address group should have a select box (like source folder has already). 11. Action Run External program With %1, TheBat! gives the message to the external program, but why not according to a template? Default, %1 should give the message in RFC-822 format, no question, but if I want, I should have the possibility, to give the message in my template format. Guess this can be easily realized (and %From,%ToList is not needed any more). But of course: Bugfixing must have priority :) -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 2.13 Beta/7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Yet another feature-request list (for NFS)
Hello MAU, Monday, August 30, 2004, 15:46 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03. New Condition: Address Book Contact There is an 'Address Book contains/does not contain sender/...' condition. Isn't this what you want? No, I don't mean this. I want to have a condition: address book contact is MAU This should check, whether the message comes from mau (does the adress book entry of mau contain the e-mail adresse of the message?) or not. of course I could say: sender contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] But this is lot of work, if you have serveral E-Mail addresses: sender contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] or sender contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ... and its work, if you have a new email address - especially if there are several filters (VF or view modes) for this address book entry. Did you get the point or should a try to explain (better) again? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Cut/Copy in new sorting office
Hello MAU, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 18:23 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, if we consider Cut = Copy + Delete Feature request 17 (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) could solve this ... This is one of the many reasons why I strongly believe the Sorting Office should have a fully operational CANCEL button to disregard any changes made (no matter how many). Added to my list ... mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I suggested this during beta testing. MID? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Yet another feature-request list (for NFS)
Hello Boris, Monday, August 30, 2004, 14:09 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Did I miss some feature request? Seems that nobody cares, but I'll continue it anyway ... 18. Cancel button The changes from opening NFS until now are NOT saved and NFS is closed. Very useful I think ... mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val
Hello Krzysztof, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 18:58 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't tried exactly that yet. But following my logic the copy/move _should_ do nothing. Wouldn't that be much easier for everyone to follow and understand? Why should I be forced to flag a message before moving, when it can as well be done after that? There's no confusion here. I agree with this! I also see nothing bad in a filter that has two move actions -- the message would be moved twice and end up in a B folder. I agree with this! I can also imagine a practical reason to do that. I can't imagine - can you give me a reasion? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val
Hello Alexander, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 19:32 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Park the message, and then _copy_ it to folder a Try to _move_ add write additional note log Message parked, thus - copied if move action impossible Can't understand you. Should this happen or does it? I can reproduce it. and at last flag it. Expected result: The message is parked in inbox, and a parked and flagged copy is in folder a. No... Yes... They are now two different objects, Are or should be? There is only one! and parking is attribute of inbox-message, not folder_a-message ? At least _this_ be awaited behavior But read what I wrote: Real result: The message is parked and flagged in the folder a For expected you results action (I think) must be 4.- Park Message Flag Message Move message to folder A Park Message No. My expected result can only work with a copy action, because 9Val: if filter has parked message it continue execution like it wasn't parked and as result you'll get parked message in destination folder -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val
Hello Krzysztof, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 18:45 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyway, would you think that would be easier to understand for any user? Of course. I failed to understand the logic in the four variants you described in your initial post. I believe actions should, no, MUST be carried out even if the message is moved. Agree with you! And actually no moving should be done after parking. If wish 06 (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) is realized I'll agree ... -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val
Hello MAU, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 14:30 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Since there can be a lot of copy actions, for which order is important. I think you may be wrong here. If you consider _only_ the copy actions (i.e. I want to copy a message to folders A, B and C), what different does it make in which order they are copied? No one - and so it should be copied in the order. Because: The order _does_make_ a difference if there are some other actions (like flagging a message, for example) in between a copy and the next. Thats why 9Val wrote there can be a lot of copy action, for which order is important. only the message in B should appear as flagged, not in A. Will you agree to that? Of course. This is why I would say that *only_one_move_action* should be allowed in a filter. Why this limitation? It might be ther exist a reason to have several move actions. I could expand a bit considering if perhaps other actions should also be greyed out on the list when the move one is, but I will not do so now. Delete message and delete message from server maybe - but again: Why this limitation? That is, the move should _delete_ the message from the source folder (i.e. make it unavailable for further actions on the message) Yes, it should be delete from source folder but NOT make it unavailable for further actions. This would be a senseless limitation! As you self wrote: There are actions that can be perfectly be executed after the move is done, like for example playing a sound or sending some kind of auto-reply, etc. What if the user adds an impossible action after the move one and leaves it there? There is no impossible action, because all actions are allowed because the message could be tracked without any problem! -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Big question for 9Val
Hello MAU, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 16:04 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The big question is: If the actions in a filter are, and should be, executed in the order they are listed. Answer is: Yes, the should be executed in the order they are listed. snipped Thanks for replying :) No problem. You are a great beta-tester, so why not reply? I think I have covered most of what I would reply to your comments in my (lengthy?) replies to 9Val. Let me know if not. Sorry, but you don't. To 9Val you explained why you think that - there should be only one move filter - there should some actions don't work after a move filter - some other things which I agree :-) You see, I don't agree with your first two points - but I explained that on direct reply. But you didn't comment this one: Park Message Move message to folder A Flag Message Problem: How to filter a parked message? 1. Move it and leave it parked 2. Move it and unpark it 3. Don't move it 4. Copy it and leave it parked 5. Copy it and unpark it TheBat! accutally seems to do the 4. possibility - but I think it would be good if user could define how it should work (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wish 06) Nevertheless: TheBat! Copy it and leave it parked so we would expect: Park the message, and then _copy_ it to folder a and at last flag it. Expected result: The message is parked in inbox, and a parked and flagged copy is in folder a. Real result: The message is parked and flagged in the folder a. Bug: TheBat! doesn't execute in the order here. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.0 QTs - Can't edit or add.
Hello Leif, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 22:27 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Just an update... It's not a corrupted ACCOUNT.QTN file But maybe you have no access to it? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Problems with native lng versions...
Hello 9Val, Thursday, September 9, 2004, 23:19 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To translate from English to German is his work :)) And he does a really greate job - when he can. The problem is, that he often can't because you don't give the strings to him. Is it really so hard? Does it need so much time? And why you always give him the half of strings. That's only more work for him and you, and wastes time of all - time that everybody needs! -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.00.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB3.0.0.11 - Address Picker Buttons (English Language) Still Corrupt
Hello Avi, Friday, September 10, 2004, 00:12 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject line says it all. Hm, why can't I reproduce it? English selected or german - the bug doesn't appear. Do you want to have my lng file? ;-). (Or can I get yours, to reproduce it?). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.00.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Where filter action order might matter a lot? + suggestion!
Hello 9Val, Monday, September 13, 2004, 23:10 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmm, could any programmer live without variables? ;) Done. Are you leaving Pranayama-zone? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.00.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: What does Verify wait on BT mean?
Hello Alexander, Tuesday, September 14, 2004, 08:05 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Which status must BugReport have, that reporter can resolve it? Verify Wait Sure? Which status must BugReport have, that reporter can close it? There are no possibilities to close for today Hm? And why can mgr close his BugReport? (https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3574) -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.00.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Yet another feature-request list (for NFS)
Hello Boris, Monday, August 30, 2004, 14:09 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Updated list - supplements or criticism sill welcome. Did I miss some feature request? 01. Common Filter Wish you could say for each common filter, whether it has higher or lower priority then account filters. 02. Remember Focus TheBat! should remember for each account, which filter was selected and whether the filter folders (Incoming messages, Sent messages, Read messages and Replied messages) where opend or closed. So if you select Common Filters the focus should jump e.g. to the third read messages. 03. New Condition: Address Book Contact Should check, whether From-Address is one of them, which are in the Adress Book Contact of (e.g) 9Val. Sense: If 9Val change his E-Mail adresse, I must only change the address in the address book (and not in the three filters in NFS and in his VF) (I think I suggested this alread :-) 04. Re-filter messages The order of rule set to apply should be the same as in NFS and contain the possibility to filter with common filter: [ ] Common Filters [ ] Outgoing mail [ ] Read messages [ ] Replied messages 05. Action: Delete There should be following options: [ ] delete parked message also [ ] move in trash [ ] Compress folder after deleting 06. Action: Move There should be added the option: [ ] move parked message also [ ] unpark message 10. Condition Address group should have a select box (like source folder has already). 11. Action Run External program With %1, TheBat! gives the message to the external program, but why not according to a template? Default, %1 should give the message in RFC-822 format, no question, but if I want, I should have the possibility, to give the message in my template format. Guess this can be easily realized (and %From,%ToList is not needed any more). 12. New Condition: Spam score is higher than value is lower than see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 13. Buttons Move In/Move Out buttons. 15. Move-up and Move-Down for conditions A option for conditions, just like there is for actions. see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 17. Ask before delete Sub-Filters If you delete a filter with Sub-Filters, I'd like to have the following asking box filter name has got sub-filters. Do you want to delete it? [Yes] [Yes, but keep Sub-filters] [No] If you select Yes, but keep Sub-filters the sub-filters shouldn't be deleted but, moved out, while the original filter is deleted. 18. Cancel button The changes from opening NFS until now are NOT saved and NFS is closed. Very useful I think ... mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fulfilled: 07. If you press a letter e.g. a then the focus should jump throw the filters,which starts with a. Worked in the OFS just fine - miss it in NFS, yet. 09. There should be a hotkey, which opens the context menu of the condition. With space you can jump throw the options but I think, it can't be too hard, to set the arrow-down to open the context menu. Alt + arrow down does it. 14. Buttons Move Up/Move Down 08. Selectiver Download I'm missing them ... 16. Highlighting accounts using OFS (or NFS) see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.00.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Where filter action order might matter a lot? + suggestion!
Hello Marcus, Tuesday, September 14, 2004, 09:48 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm thinking about more powerfull options and using mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]? Can you post the list again? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.00.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Send a wireless message action
Hello Prezes, Tuesday, September 14, 2004, 14:00 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I discovered that in 3.0.0.14 beta there is no Send a wireless message action in NFS. Any confirmations? Confirmed. Why? Because it didn't work :). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.00.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Shortcut to trigger filter lost in .14
Hello Peter, Tuesday, September 14, 2004, 13:49 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This shortcut doesn't do anything in 3.0.0.14. Confirmed. Bug in 3.0.0.14 ... -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.00.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Where filter action order might matter a lot? + suggestion!
Hello Stefan, Tuesday, September 14, 2004, 21:31 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Done (it took about 3 minutes) :-) Wow, not bad. From now on, QTs can be called with parameters: %QT(QT Name, parameter 1, parameter 2, ...) To obtain the parameter value, use %_N where N is the number of the parameter. Wow, this is such a greate improvement - I still can't imagine the whole improvments and the meaning for my templates ... -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.00.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Yet another feature-request list (for NFS)
Hello Peter, Tuesday, September 14, 2004, 14:58 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 01. Common Filter Wish you could say for each common filter, whether it has higher or lower priority then account filters. Hmm, that might not be too transparent, i.e. what will actually happen. What do you mean with might not be too transparent? Actually all common filter has higher priority then account filters - means, first common filters, then account filters. Do you have an example? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03. New Condition: Address Book Contact Good point. I'd like to see additional (_secondary_) addresses for the same contact. These addresses would still be filtered Yes, thats the point: All addresses of one contact matches. 11. Action Run External program With %1, TheBat! gives the message to the external program, but why not according to a template? Good. I have no use for it but it is probably useful. I've no use for it either, but I think that better (less work but more powerfull) then than C:\test.exe %From %To (If this work?). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS feature wish, selective refiltering
Hello Marcus, Sunday, September 19, 2004, 12:06 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Comments? You mean something like attached? Yes, but I'd rather like tick boxes like in for example the maintenance center. Not being able to select more then one filter at a time would make the feature a lot less powerful. Agree totally, but it was to much work too fake the boxes :-). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Yet another feature-request list (for NFS)
Hello Boris, Thursday, August 26, 2004, 11:10 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Updated list - supplements or criticism sill welcome. Did I miss some feature request? Change: 19 is added 02 is fulfilled 10 is fulfilled 01. Common Filter Wish you could say for each common filter, whether it has higher or lower priority then account filters. 03. New Condition: Address Book Contact Should check, whether From-Address is one of them, which are in the Adress Book Contact of (e.g) 9Val. Sense: If 9Val change his E-Mail adresse, I must only change the address in the address book (and not in the three filters in NFS and in his VF) (I think I suggested this alread :-) 04. Re-filter messages The order of rule set to apply should be the same as in NFS and contain the possibility to filter with common filter: [ ] Common Filters [ ] Outgoing mail [ ] Read messages [ ] Replied messages 05. Action: Delete There should be following options: [ ] delete parked message also [ ] move in trash [ ] Compress folder after deleting 06. Action: Move There should be added the option: [ ] move parked message also [ ] unpark message 11. Action Run External program With %1, TheBat! gives the message to the external program, but why not according to a template? Default, %1 should give the message in RFC-822 format, no question, but if I want, I should have the possibility, to give the message in my template format. Guess this can be easily realized (and %From,%ToList is not needed any more). 12. New Condition: Spam score is higher than value is lower than see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 13. Buttons Move In/Move Out buttons for filters. 15. Move-up and Move-Down for conditions A option for conditions, just like there is for actions. see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 17. Ask before delete Sub-Filters If you delete a filter with Sub-Filters, I'd like to have the following asking box filter name has got sub-filters. Do you want to delete it? [Yes] [Yes, but keep Sub-filters] [No] If you select Yes, but keep Sub-filters the sub-filters shouldn't be deleted but, moved out, while the original filter is deleted. 18. Cancel button The changes from opening NFS until now are NOT saved and NFS is closed. Very useful I think ... mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 19. Suggestion of Thomas F. : The suggestion is to make only one kind of filters, with checkboxes whether this is an [X] Incoming [X] Outgoing [ ] Read [ ] Replied Fulfilled: 07. If you press a letter e.g. a then the focus should jump throw the filters,which starts with a. Worked in the OFS just fine - miss it in NFS, yet. 09. There should be a hotkey, which opens the context menu of the condition. With space you can jump throw the options but I think, it can't be too hard, to set the arrow-down to open the context menu. Alt + arrow down does it. 14. Buttons Move Up/Move Down 08. Selectiver Download I'm missing them ... 16. Highlighting accounts using OFS (or NFS) see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 02. Remember Focus TheBat! should remember for each account, which filter was selected and whether the filter folders (Incoming messages, Sent messages, Read messages and Replied messages) where opend or closed. So if you select Common Filters the focus should jump e.g. to the third read messages. 10. Condition Address group should have a select box (like source folder has already). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.00.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test
Hello Marcus, Friday, October 15, 2004, 16:38 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My VF set to use advanced filtering looking for colour groups does NOT auto refresh. After which action VF should be updated? I create a VF, same condition, but when I change the color group of a message VF is updated. Can someone confirm? Not yet. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.1 (Beta/1)
Hello Victor, Friday, October 15, 2004, 17:57 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] May I suggest using some standard easy-to-filter way for these? Like including something in the subject? You get my vote. If Ritlabs uses a good MUA (like TheBat!) it can't be hard to have a standard easy-to-filter way. Maybe in subject, maybe a additional header field (X-NewBeta)? Doesn't matter, but please ... -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test
Hello Marcus, Friday, October 15, 2004, 17:15 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My VF set to use advanced filtering looking for colour groups does NOT auto refresh. After which action VF should be updated? I create a VF, same condition, but when I change the color group of a message VF is updated. When receiving a message. The problem seems to be the VF does not list newly received messages matching the search criteria. Can't confirm. I created a filter, which marks any message with a color group, and a VF which filters this or another color group: It works fine here. I receive nearly 300 mails and played arround with different conditions - I can't reproduce it. But maybe 9Val can? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test
Hello Marcus, Friday, October 15, 2004, 23:06 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] When receiving a message. The problem seems to be the VF does not list newly received messages matching the search criteria. Can't confirm. I created a filter, which marks any message with a color group, and a VF which filters this or another color group: It works fine here. Automatically updating your VF at once when the mails are received. Yes. Strange, as I said, I can reproduce on two different machines (both running W2K, but I suspect this isn't OS dependent). I don't think either. But maybe? I'm running WinXP SP1. But AFAIK 9Val has done something with updating (to get manual refiltering of a lot of messages quicker) - this maybe causes your problem? Don't know, maybe Ritlabs/9Val can say something? Or another one can test? I suppose you are running v3.0.2.1? I tested it with this, yes. Your signature doesn't reveal, neither does your headers. Would only confuse - I test mostly on current betas - but use still 2.12.03 Final (and write to list also with this version). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.01 RC4 is now available
Hello Stefan, Tuesday, October 5, 2004, 21:57 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The search works the same way as in the main window's message list - Should it works also in filter list? Then I have something: 3 Filters: abc (1. Filter - selected) bcd (2. Filter) gfh (3. Filter) If abc is selected, and I typ b in search window, nothing happens. If I typ bc nothing happens, only if I typ bcd and wait 2 seconds (too long, I think) it works. If abc is selectd, and I type g in search windows, nothing happens. I must type gf to jump to third filter, but g should be enough, right? If gfh is selected, I must type abc to get to the first filter, a should be enough, right? BTW: Can you give me a few word about https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3676 -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.1 RC/3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Help feature request
Hello Valerye, Tuesday, October 5, 2004, 11:41 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] btw, any design suggestions are welcome. Someone reported several icon-bugs in the german board (http://www.batboard.de): 1. Icon Message Search in main-toolbar (row 1; column 9) uses the icon Search Text from editor (row 3; column 9) 2. Icon Create a new contact in addressbook (row 2; column 13) uses the icon from a normal entry (row 4; column 17). 3. Icon Create a new group in addressbook (row 2 column 14) uses the icon from a normal group entry (row 8; column 7). Can you say some words about these? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.1 RC/3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug - 3.0.2.2 - Common Filters no longer shared
Hello Paul, Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 22:45 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In the Sorting Office, the 'Share With...' tab shows all my accounts unchecked or deselected. If I select them all, close the Sorting Office then reopen it the accounts are again deselected. Here, bug appears only after a restart of TheBat! (Maybe because I've to kill it because of the hang on exit?). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Tray icon has incorrect message count
Hello Martin, Sunday, November 7, 2004, 20:15 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone confirm? I can confirm. BTW, I use virtual folders... just in case this is relevant. Seems to be relevant (good guess)! It appears here only, if the unread messages are in a VF in which the [X] Count in upper level setting is checked. I have not enough time to make a BR - so would you create one and send the url to list/me. Thanks and good night. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
OT: Official post (WAS: Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.6 beta)
Hello Stuart, Monday, November 8, 2004, 19:08 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] See whether you've got mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, I received that. Was that an official post? Not up to the usual standards. :) What usual standards? Is there one? Which? Can I set a filter to this? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: How to add KAV anti-virus plugin
Hello Bobi, Tuesday, November 9, 2004, 23:37 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There used to have a add KAV com-based plugin push-down option in the anti-virus add button, but now it's not there any longer, how can I add KAV anti-virus plugin now. Go back to a older version (e.g. 2.10.03 Final) add the PlugIn and go to your current version again. HTH? Nor Ritlas neither Kaspersky shows the will to support the PlugIn longer. IMHO: Very stupid - and Kaspersky will maybe lose me as user. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Tray icon has incorrect message count
Hello Martin, Sunday, November 7, 2004, 21:00 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll submit a BR tonight or first thing tomorrow. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4043 -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: erratic behaviour with subfilters
Hello Maurice, Maurice Snellen wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Is there a but here or have I constructed my filters wrongly? Can't see a logical error. Your filter seems to be correct else it wouldn't work on refilter. Further more, I heard from (one or two) other user(s) similar problems (filter doesn't filter some mails, but re-filtering work). But nobody (including you) could fine a system or pattern yet. So maybe you can post (or send me a pm with) your three filter here and two mails: one which was filtered correct and one which wasn't filterd correct (if the virus-alter mails are not that private). Maybe I or somebody else can reproduce the bug or (even) find the pattern? (And if the pattern is known 9Val isn't that far away, I hope ... :-). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: erratic behaviour with subfilters
Hello Maurice, Maurice Snellen wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Is there a but here or have I constructed my filters wrongly? Can't see a logical error. Actually, in total there are really a whole lot of filters there, and it proved that I did make an error in the logic. So there is/was no bug in NFS? 1) Filters should 'collect' all actions-to-be-taken and perform only the last move on multiple moves. Don't know, but I think 9Val would have a lot of work to fulfill this wish, because I think this is a design problem/wish. Further more the advantages seem to be small - means only someone one with a simalar filtering and a lot of message would profit from it. And at last, if your second wish would be fulfilled you could avoid the duplicate in changing filter system. So I can see the sense of this wish, but wouldn't support it. 2) It should be possible to create a purely organizational container level (sub)filter where processing of filters further down the list occurs automatically if none of the subfilters yielded an action. Yes, this is a nice wish. I have the same problem like you. A filter as container filter (with all messages condition) can make problems. So a container filter would be nice. But I think there are workarounds - I use the first one and in this moment I think there is a second one. Imagine: Filter A - container filter Filter A1 - condition: From Maurice Filter A2 - condition: From Boris Filter B Filter B1 Filter B2 First, I set the condition of A to all message - but this brought troubles, because then Filter B will never touched. Also the solution continue filtering isn't that good, because then changes from A, A1 and A2 could undo by B, B1 or B2. The first solution is: Set the condition of A not to all messages but Conditions A1 or Conditions A2. In this example, condition of filter a should be From Maurice OR From Boris. The disadvantage of this solution: For every change/addition in a Subfilter condition must be done in container filter too. But: It works, at least for me. :-). The second solution (which is not yet tested) is, to introduce a control filter: Filter A - container filter Filter A1 Filter A2 Filter A3 - control filter Filter B Filter B1 Filter B2 In this case, in Filter A [X] continue filtering must be checked. Filter A3 has condition All messages and action set user param. Filter B has condition user param is. E.g. A message receive, and is catched by Filter A (because all messages). If A1 or A2 matched, A3 doesn't and the param is emtpy - as a result of this Filter B doesn't match and therefor not undo actions of A, A1 or A2. But if A1 and A2 doesn't match, A3 matches and set the param (e.g.) Continue to 1. And because param Continue is 1 Filter B matches. I don't know if there is a logical error in my idea, but I try this immediately after send this message. The advantage would be clear: You don't have to modify container filter if subfilter changes but only create once one more subfilter. Of course, if we had a container filter, it would be best and easiest :-). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Strange address behaviour
Hello Zygmunt, Zygmunt Wereszczynski wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): In the message overview window the sender is displayed as Daßke, Detlev but in the message window (header pane) it is displayed as \\Daßke, Detlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also observed such double escaped double quotes in addresses with QP encoding. Same here. It was in last versions of The Bat!. It was a 2.x Version of TheBat! and the adress did contain a umlaut (ä, ö or ü). Messages were created in MS Outlook. Yes, it was MS Outlook here too - so I'm not sure, if we can speak about a bug in TheBat! ... -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Params-Bug in NFS? (was: NFS: erratic behaviour with subfilters)
Hello Boris,
Boris Anders wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]):
I don't know if there is a logical error in my idea, but I try this
immediately after send this message.
Ok - I faild. But I think because of a bug in set user params and
additional params since (including) 3.0.16: So here is my BugReport:
Since version 3.0.16 set user params doesn't work. While following
filter works fine in 3.0.15, it fails in (and higher than) 3.0.16:
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [F5AA0302.01C4CE84.0AF9A79C.1230F80E]
Name: A
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`21\0D\0A}
UserParam param A value 1
MarkRead
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter
1
beginFilter
UID: [07DA539C.01C4CE85.5354944A.3B79D379]
Name: B
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`27`A`0`1\0D\0A}
MarkUnread
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter
Can you confirm or tell my where my error is? I also opend a BR:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4063
--
Regards,
Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de
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Re: Access Violation in sorting office after undo
Hello Roelof, Roelof Otten wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Anybody confirms? Confirmed - can you make a bugreport? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: erratic behaviour with subfilters
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): 2) It should be possible to create a purely organizational container level (sub)filter where processing of filters further down the list occurs automatically if none of the subfilters yielded an action. If I have understood correctly what you want to do I would also oppose to this wish because I think there are ways of doing what you want. Yes, there are ways of doing so - but how comfortable and difficult are they? In generals there seems two ways of doing this: With params (color groups, ...) or with spezial condition in container filter. Second solution is not good, because you have make changes twice (in subfilter and container filter) and first solution is better but difficult (I think that not everybody realize that container filter could be done with this solution). So this wish wouldn't reduce the possibilities of NFS, but make them more comfortable. In fact of this, I would say implement it if it's less work, implement it later if its much work. Maybe one word about implementation: I think it could be done in two different ways: 1) A option in sub-filter: [X] Stop continue processing with other filter 2) Make it possible, to add container filter which has the condition (by design) one of the subfilter-condition matches. This condition maybe shown in conditions (Subfilter(s) matches) - and must be auto-updated. I don't know what is easier to implement, but 1) seems to be more powerfull? Boris has already pointed the use of parameters I might ask you if you had the same idea independent of me? there is some bug in the use of parameters. I don't know, I have not tested. :-( - it wouldn't take much time: Import my posted filter, check if it's correct (did I make a mistake?), select a message and test filter. A short notice (maybe in bugtracker) would be nice. What I would do is: Filter A (set to continue processing) Sub-Filter A1 (whatever action + set parameter P) Sub-Filter A2 (whatever action + set parameter P) Filter B (whatever condition + parameter P NOT set) Sub-Filter B1 Sub-Filter B2 Hm, interessting. In this way you save one filter (A3), right? But on the other side, you have to add one action per subfilter. Did I miss something? I there is a bug in the use of parameters, then a I would use a colour group instead. I have not tested but it should work. Wow, good idea. Why didn't I have it? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Memo field and VFs, BEWARE!!!!
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): You may add your own experience to my BT report at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4069 Isn't https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3870 the same? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: erratic behaviour with subfilters
Hello Maurice, Maurice Snellen wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): 2) It should be possible to create a purely organizational container level (sub)filter where processing of filters further down the list occurs automatically if none of the subfilters yielded an action. If I have understood correctly what you want to do I would also oppose to this wish because I think there are ways of doing what you want. They way that things are now that processing of a filter depends _only_ on the previous filters triggering or not and on the continue processing status of previous filters is the correct way of doing things. Making the processing of a filter depend on the triggering or not of filters in a lower hierarchy would break the whole purpose of the hierarchy structure. While I don't support Boris' suggestion to solve this problem with yet another checkbox (I agree with you that this would needlessly complicate things), It might be more complicate than a container only filter - but also more powerfull. As a result, there is no set of criteria (short of adding all subfilter-criteria to the parent) that allows me to group them. Well, you can add all subfilter-criteria to the parent. A solution based on parameters and/or colorgroups feels to me like dragging something in there that doesn't belong. So what? It's a workable solution, I can't see the problem. And according to (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) parameters does belong to the topic :-). Having to do something to the messages (colour group) or using a parameter that gets checked in a completely unrelated filter(tree) sounds like making things more complex than they should be. I agree with you, that it /could/ be easier ... Moreover: the only reason why a colourgroup or parameter is necessary is to avoid an unwanted situation that would not have existed if we had 'container-only' parent filters. I strongly disagree here. I think colorgroups hasn't to do anything with making it possible to create a container filter. I hope that parameters can be used one day in templates and might give a few people a greate improvement. And at least, the unwanted situation is, that sub-filter is used for container filter, but they aren't coded to fulfill that function. Params give you the possiblity, to use sub-filter for container filter - which is not a bad thing at all. The fact that the only way to get filters further in the list processed if an earlier filter has an 'all messages' criterium is to set 'continue processing' on it which then introduces the problem that messages already handled by earlier subfilters might get re-handled by later filters. Solving this by using additional actions to every subfilter of the earlier 'all messages' filter as well as having to complicate the later parents in my opinion needlessly complicates matters, requires additional work for each new filter and is also error-prone because if you forget to add the additional actions to a newly created filter, thing might get broken again and you'll be bughunting in your own filters. The problem wouldn't exist, if you won't abuse sub-filter to container filter - or if you do so - why not set (logical) correct conditions (and not a simply catch all). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: FREQ: selecting more than one account
Hello Peter, Peter Hampf wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): wouldn't it be great to be able to select more than one account using shift+cursor or ctrl+mouse-click? Yes, but maybe this workaroud would also be nice?: http://www.batboard.net/index.php?act=Attachtype=postid=31682 -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.8 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Questions about filter conditions in TB 3.x
Hello Peter, Peter Hampf wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): - when a message has been moved by a filter but a SUBfilter also matches, will this subfilter apply to the moved message? Yes. Further more Sub-Filter can move the message a second time. Great, right? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.8 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Questions about filter conditions in TB 3.x
Hello Peter, Peter Hampf wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Great, right? Yep! And can you answer one or more of my other questions as well? 9Val answered and so only one question is left: - how is a filter processed that has this conditions: sender match data or text match data and recipient match data or text match data and recipient match data That way: (sender match) or (text and reciepient match) or (text and recipient match) The correct migration from SB to TB should have been sender match data or (text match data and recipient match data) or (text match data and recipient match data) I guess the TB generated filter will not work as expected, right? I think you are wrong - I tested it a bit and found out, that it works the way I described above. But you can use Add Block to make the filter (more) clear. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.8 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: erratic behaviour with subfilters
Hello Thomas, Thomas Fernandez wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): 2) It should be possible to create a purely organizational container level (sub)filter where processing of filters further down the list occurs automatically if none of the subfilters yielded an action. Yes, this is a nice wish. I have the same problem like you. A filter as container filter (with all messages condition) can make problems. So a container filter would be nice. But I think there are workarounds - I use the first one and in this moment I think there is a second one. Imagine: Filter A - container filter Filter A1 - condition: From Maurice Filter A2 - condition: From Boris Filter B Filter B1 Filter B2 First, I set the condition of A to all message - but this brought troubles, because then Filter B will never touched. Also the solution continue filtering isn't that good, because then changes from A, A1 and A2 could undo by B, B1 or B2. True. But A and B are catch-all filters. Let's assume A' and B' are the action performed by these filters (for example moving the message to a default folder). The logic is this: 1.) continue processing disabled A(True) + B (True) = A' (Since A matched, B is not processed. It could also be false) All messages are matched with the catch-all. 2.) continue processing enabled A(True) + B(True) = B' Here it doesn't matter whether A is matched, as the B will always be processed and it will always match. What you are looking for with these container filters are not filters at all, I would think. You need a group name functionality. Yes, container filters aren't filters, but dummy filter. They should be there, to keep order, but don't work as filter. The second solution (which is not yet tested) is, to introduce a control filter: I would consider this far too complicated to be acceptable. Maybe you feel it as a (too complicated) workaround - but since container filters or group name functionality isn't implemented it's the only way to do so, right? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Common vs account filters
Hello Thomas, Thomas Fernandez wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Common filters don't work at all on this machine (running The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush under Win98). Reason: Share with settings for common filters are not sticky. Can anybody reproduce this with this beta? If I remember right, there was long time ago such a problem - why don't you use the current beta (and look, whether bug still exist): http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb30210.rar -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Common vs account filters
Hello Thomas, Thomas Fernandez wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): However, I can reproduce the problem now: When the common filter catches, the account-level filters are not triggered any more. Yes, I can confirm this behavior, but can't say whether this is a bug or wanted. But I think this is wanted, because if a filter matches a message, filtering stops (if not [X] Continue processing with other filters is set). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Target of outgoing filters not adjusting when moving folders
Hello Marcus, Marcus Ohlström wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): When I move a folder, incoming filters pointing to this folder are automatically adjusted to point to the new location. Outgoing filters are not but should be. Can't confirm - works for me for all (incoming, outgoing, read and answer). Can you post filter and test it with 3.0.2.10? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Maxim, Maxim Masiutin wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): I will give a little technical update. Thanks you very much. Feel free to ask questions. I've a lot of questions, but maybe one short (because they can be answered with yes, no or maybe) one: Are you planing another BugFixing-Beta cycle after the current cycle? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Eddie, Eddie Castelli wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Have there being any changes in the AB? I agree that in the AB there is much potential for improvements: (Here my favorite ones) https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1861 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2202 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2666 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2333 More than one subfolder (couldn't find BR). However I'd prefere bugfixing ... -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some complementary questions
Hello Thomas, Thomas Martin wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): The Kapersky Plugins don't work anymore with KAV 5.x, only with 4.x Not here: works nice with KAV 5.x Personal - but it don't work with the professional version (interesting, isn't it?). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Should we use acronyms in TBBETA or not?
Hello Peter, Peter Hampf wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): The viewer can display the acronyms underlined and if the user places the mouse over it, it can display the meaning in a bubble near the mouse cursor. Nice idea, but please not now or in near future. We all are waiting for new beta - and after the release I think there is enough work with bugfixing (logical, because of the heavyset changes) so IMHO no time for feature requests. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available
Hello Stefan, Stefan Tanurkov wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha :-) is now available thanks a lot. It's an Alpha, so please be aware of the numerous bugs and omissions - please feel free to mention them here or at the BT. Want to let you know, that I can't run TheBat! any more as another (Windows)user. The splashscreen appears but then TheBat! don't start any more. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.0.9.1 - cannot run it under another windows user
Hello Tony, Tony Boom wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Want to let you know, that I can't run TheBat! any more as another (Windows)user. The splashscreen appears but then TheBat! don't start any more. Try running it direct from the main directory. I did: Throw all files from the Archive into the Bat directory. Throw the batskin.xml into the Bat directory. Browse to the dirctory of TheBat! (via Total Commander ;-). Right click on the TheBat.exe Choose Run As... Choose User and give Passwort Splash Screen appears, but TheBat! don't start :-( Works it for you? TIA. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.1 - cannot run it under another windows user
Hello Tony, Tony Boom wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Works it for you? Right click your desktop icon and make sure the Start In box points to your Bat directory... C:\Program Files\The Bat! or wherever you have it installed. Works now for me, too. Thanks a lot. I hope developers has seen this bug/read our messages :-). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.1 Pre-Beta is now available
Hello Mogens, Mogens Holst wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): it is an info for translators only. I don't understand what you say. Is the beta list or a translator list? Of course its a beta list, but maybe some beta testers are intressted about this informations too - other can ignore it :-). If it is beta list, I would like to know how it should be installed. What should be installed? Just ignore this message from Stefan. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.2 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: installing plugin will not work
Hello Cees, Cees wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Mark Partous told me about a plugin. Which version (maybe with direct download link)? UMC 1.8 works fine over here. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.2 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.1 Pre-Beta is now available
Hello Stefan, Stefan Tanurkov wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Please feel free to send your comments/reports about other issues not listed above. - counter of threads do not work (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Filter's efficiency in per cent is still wrong (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) - kontext menu (menu which appears if you do a right click) of the accounts offers entries which don't work with accounts (e.g. refilter, browse, compress) - NFS: Hot Key Only isn't updated when Hot Key is disabeld - NFS: Statistics - Every time a message triggered, it's also displayed as tested - Can't find test filter in kontext menu (what's the english word for?) of a message. - NFS: Whats the Tag: for? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.2 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: installing plugin will not work
Hello Cees, Cees wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Which version (maybe with direct download link)? UMC 1.8 works fine over here. first link from this page: http://www.thebatworld.de/modules/download/index.php?op=viewlinkcid=16 2.0.1042 Can confirm - plugin can't be added. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.2 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: macro miseries turning me into a zombie
Hello Cees, Cees wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): But THIS gives me a headache... : I'll try. Die im Nachfolgenden aufgeführten Makros schreibe in eine Schnellvorlage, you have to write the following listed macros into a quick template und rufe diese dann innnerhalb der Nachrichtenvorlage mit %QINCLUDE=Name_der_Schnellvorlage auf. and call it with %QInclude=Name_of_Quicktemplate in a template up. Alternativ kann man auch den Namen der Schnellvorlage an entsprechender Stelle im Nachrichteneditor schreiben, Alternative you can write the name of the quick template in the right position of the (message)editor und mit der Tastenkombination Ctrl + Leertaste bzw. Strg + Leertaste ausführen lassen. and run it with the hot key ctrl + space I've been reading this and rereading must be technical german. Fear that my translation isn't better? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.2 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug with the message editor
Hello Tony, Tony Boom wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Can't confirm - if they once disappear they're lost until a restart of TheBat! And - I reached it this time, only by create new message reply create new message. I wasn't actually asking for confirmation however, Please excuse me. I didn't have to close TB! down to get them back. lucky you. I agree it shouldn't happen but, So I don't see the problem. the fact some people just open and then close things X amount of times just to see what happens is beyond me. Maybe a hint: Maybe some people didn't open and then close things n amoutns of times just to see what happens but for another reason. Your supposed to be alpha/beta testing it under normal working conditions, Must read over it. Can you show me the part again please? If not, please don't tell me what I have to do, or not. Especially how I have to test TheBat! I can't even begin to imagine what your normal working conditions are You can be sure, that this is not your problem. Hope a mod can donate this thread a dead horse - don't know when I become really angry about such mails ... -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.2 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return (pre-beta) is now available
Hello Michael, Michael Schneider wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): it seems that TB! splits up messages although the option is disabled. Confirmed. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Parameters in Filters
Hello 9Val, Friday, October 15, 2004, 11:58 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Zygmunt, ZW How beautiful would be to use values of these parameters in filter ZW message templates (e.g, in a form %_prm1, %_prm2, etc.), or more general ZW - in invoking of quick templates as %QT(QTname, %_prm1, %_prm2,...)! Did ZW you considered this? Sure, but it needs a lot of time :) -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.4 dies on wrong cwd
Hello Dimitry, Dimitry Andric wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Has anyone noticed, anyone? :-). that if you make a shortcut to The Bat!, that doesn't specify its installation directory as a working directory, it will die horribly? Yes, see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return (pre-beta) is now available
Hello Matt, Matt Thoene wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Friday, March 4, 2005 @ 10:50:53 AM [-0700], 9Val wrote: The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return (pre-beta) is now available from http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tbb30904.rar Still cannot change who the email is from in a reply/forward. I used to be able to right click on the account identifier in the bottom info area of a reply or forward window and select one of my other accounts. Confirmed. Moreover the whole bottom info area of the editor don't work. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Attachment button no longer works
Hello Allie, Allie Martin wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): I normally do not display my attachments using the pane view. I use the button. Button? Which button? *search* That attachment button doesn't respond to clicks and attempting to change to another method of displaying attachments doesn't work. If you mean, that View - Attached Files don't work, I can confirm and say, that it isn't an IMAP issue. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Folder tree fields widths
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Same thing happens if I make the changes in any tab other than All, the width of the Name field is _always_ wider that in the other tabs. Confirmed. Width of name in folder Tab all is always bigger than in other folder tabs. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Is there, or will there be, any way to reset to 0 the statistics for specific filters? Otherwise it may not be that useful. There is currently a way (workaround) to 0 the staistics: CopyPaste the filter and delete the old one :-). But of course it would be better to have a reset funktion. But what do you think about copying filter - should it also copy statistics or not? (I think copy statistics would be more powerfull.) -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: View menue does not show all selected option
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): When TB is started View menu does now show which are the selected (configured) options for: Confirmed. Was reported for themes only in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], so thanks a lot for completing the list. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Reply quoting selected text
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Works fine when using F4 but not when Shift+clicking on the Reply button on main toolbar, which is what I mainly use. Confirmed. (Hey, didn't know that - but logical our mouse orientated boy did ;-). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: No auto Quick Search
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): In 3.0.2.10 and previous version and while focus is on messagelist pane, I could start typing and the Quick Seart (floating) toolbar would appear and the search was performed. With 3.0.9.4 this doesn't happen any more, the Quick Search toolbar does _not_ auto show. Confirmed. But, even if I am showing the toolbar, I can only search if prior to start typing I place the cursor (i.e. set focus) in the quick search window. Confirmed. Further more, if you searched, I can't delete the search word - if I select it and delete it, it reappera if I select another message. Is this a new and intended behaviour or can it be considered a bug? I (h|v)ote for bug ;-). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: splitting messsage
Hello Chris, Chris wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): I have unchecked in account properties 'split outbound messages that are larger than...' but when I send messages larger than what is says in the default size it still splits them. Anyone confirm this? https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4293 or mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Can't manually refresh VFs
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Can anyone confirm? Confirmed here. Furthermore shortcuts like Ctrl+r or ESC don't work. :-(. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Kaspersky Anti-Virus (KAV) PlugIn
Hello, KAV-PlugIn worked in Version 3 with KAV 5 Personal (or 4.5) even it wasn't supported any more. But few day's ago, it stopped working. Some other user could confirm in german batboard.de. I'd like to have more details about new KAV PlugIn, as Maxim Masiutin mentioned in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Kaspersky currently works on the plugin for The Bat!, we are in close contact with the developers of this antivirus. They want to make Kaspersky Installer to modify the INI files of The Bat! to automatically activate the plugin. - can Ritlabs give us the information or must we ask Kaspersky? - when will the new plugin probably ready? - which versions (of TheBat! and Kaspersky) will it support? - will (and if yes how much) it cost? Can anyone (especially Ritlabs) bring us light into the dark? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Search panel - List Index out of Bounds
Hello Allie, Allie Martin wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): If I open the message finder and do a message search, I get a 'List Index Out of Bounds' error on closing the panel. The error occurs everytime. Can't confirm this one. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: To BT or not to BT, that is the question.
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): I am assuming that during this alpha, pre-beta and perhaps early beta phases, when there are so many errors and problems, it is not necessary to open a BT report for each of them. I am assuming that developers are looking at this list and just taking note of reported problems. Or am I wrong in my assumptions? Well, Stefan wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's an Alpha, so please be aware of the numerous bugs and omissions - please feel free to mention them here or at the BT. The only thing, I'm afraid of, is, that there are many bugs and nobody knows/remembers all of them (as a result some bugs will be reported x-times while other will be forgotten). I asked about a bug-list in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] but didn't got an answer, yet :-(. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Vertical scroll bar misalignment
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): If vertical scroll is done by clicking on the lower arrow icon, or by using the down arrow key or even using the End key, the scroll is done correctly and it stops when the last message (or folder or account) is displayed at the bottom of the pane. But look at Scroll_1.png attached. In theses cases, the slider button does not move to the very bottom of the slider and, if you drag this button further down, the pane will scroll further showing some white space at the bottom (see Scroll_2.png). Confirmed :-). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Can't delete attachments in new or Fwded messages
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Open editor for a new message and attch any file. Then say Hey, that is not the file I wanted to attach and try to delete it. You can't. Confirmed. Moreover the context menu which appears after a right click on the file doesn't seem to work. Maybe similar bug: You can't delete an attachment from a received message by using the del key - but only with the mouse. Same thing in NFS: You can't delete action with the del-key. Confirmations? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reverting back to 3.0.2.10 till next (pre-)beta
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): I now need to go back to normal production work and v3.0.9.4 is still quite far from being usable. So, I will revert now to v3.0.2.10. So the todo list won't grow every half an hour? I nearly can hear the assuaged sighs of developers ;-). However I thank you very much for your greate testing, have a bugfree time - we'll see on next beta/alpha. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Can't delete attachments in new or Fwded messages
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Same thing in NFS: You can't delete action with the del-key. Confirmed. Did it work with previous versions? Yes, at least with the 3.0.1 RC6 (which I'm using). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: What's the difference between 'None' and 'Generic' colour groups?
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): I have noticed that both in message list pane context menu and in Messages/Colour Group menu there are now entries for 'None' and for 'Generic Group' while this last one wasn't available (displayed) in previous versions. Can't confirm - I see both 'none' and 'generic group' in 3.01 RC6. If I understand you correctly. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: What's the difference between 'None' and 'Generic' colour groups?
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): I have noticed that both in message list pane context menu and in Messages/Colour Group menu there are now entries for 'None' and for 'Generic Group' while this last one wasn't available (displayed) in previous versions. Confirmed. I had looked to View Modes (where both, none and generic have ever exists), but not to color group. Sorry. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: What's the difference between 'None' and 'Generic' colour groups?
Hello Miguel, Miguel Urech wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Here they are, Argh. Can confirm your bug. I always watched the view modes instead of color groups. Sorry. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: AV in 3.0.9.5
Hello Stefan, Stefan Tanurkov wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): The Bat! version 3.0.9.5 Return is now available Thanks. Basically, it has many cosmetic fixes related to the new interface system and IMAP fixes. Sorry, but this changelog doesn't satisfy me. And here a stupid (because not always reproducable) bug: Start TheBat! Select a message with memo Ctrl + Shift + I (to see the memo window) Esc (to close the memo window) Select another folder Select old message again Ctrl + Shift + I (to see the memo window) Esc (to close the memo window) - become an AV. Any confirmations? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.5 Return is now available
Hello Krzysztof, Krzysztof Kudlacik wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): After F6 or menu Tool smartBat I get attached error, and The Bat! takes 100% CUP and freezes. The process must be killed :( Can't confirm. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.5 (non)fixed issues
Hello Peter, Peter Ouwehand wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Edit Mail Message window status bar: - context menu concerning confirmations has two times Reading confirmation, one should be Delivery confirmation. Confirmed. - context menu concerning column:row position shows blank. IMHO it's not needed al all. Confirmed. Same thing with the column right of charecter set. mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.0.9.2 Pre-Beta attachments Not fixed. Confirmed as not fixed. - contextual menu of account is still the same as the menu of folders. Confirmed as not fixed. This means, that you can select in account menu browse, compress empty, refilter, delete duplicates, browse deleted messages, purge+compress - but without any effect. For both of them: Synchronisation | last option without text Not fixed. Confirmed as not fixed. Can't move folders Fixed. - MicroEd / Shift-Ctrl-F Fixed. Both confirmed as fixed. - Edit Message window using Plain text MicroEd or Windows: Format | Table menu has no entries (isn't this HTML related anyway?). Confirmed. (BTW JFYI: Was reported already) - Edit Message window using any message format: Format | Alignment and Utilities | Format block are multiple entries with the same functionality ??? Confirmed. - Ins key to create a new folder doesn't function. Confirmed. Furthermore: - Can't find test filter in contextual menu of a message. - paddings beetween window areas are still inconsistent - Entries (Show as a Pane, Show as a Button, Hide, Large icons ...) of View - Attached Files don't work - Problems with switching editor several times mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (bug1) @Peter: Thanks a lot for your list. Let's hope developers find the time to fix many bugs. At the moment it's a lot of work to update the list. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.5: Can't trust statistics (Was: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics)
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Statistics are not correct and can't be trusted, at least in 3.0.9.5. It looks like Tested starts with a random value. Can't confirm. Maybe value is stored from last time? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Not fixed in 3.0.9.5 (Was: 3.0.9.4: Vertical scroll bar misalignment)
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Not fixed in 3.0.9.5 Yes, not completely fixed in 3.0.9.5 but in the new version bug has (at least here) nothing to do with mouse: Scroll bar only disappears, if you are up (in the scroll bar) and minimize folder tree. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.0.9.5 (non)fixed issues (Confirmation of Mau's Bug's)
Hello Peter, here a list of bugs (from Mau) which I can confirm: - No indicator for continue processing with other filters mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Width of name in folder Tab all is always bigger than in other folder tabs. mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - View menue does not show all selected option mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Reply quoting selected text using Shift+clicking on the Reply button don't work mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - No auto Quick Search mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 'None' and 'Generic' entries in colour groups mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Bugs in 3.0.9.5
Hello Boris, Boris Anders wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Basically, it has many cosmetic fixes related to the new interface system and IMAP fixes. Sorry, but this changelog doesn't satisfy me. Maybe I must insert why: Because the details are missing (which bugs were fixed? Which not? Which aren't bugs but features/wanted behaviour?). And here two more bugs of the message editor (hope they were not reported already): - insert/overwrite can't be change with the mouse (using the columns at the bottom) - automatic checking icon is only updated, if you change language or format -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Lost my receive mail button
Hello Peter, Peter Ouwehand wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): That helps, but: it is inconsistent. Here the Send icon is the first to drop off, see attachment. More logical would be, as in other programs, to start dropping icons from right to left. Fully confirmed. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.5: Can't trust statistics (Was: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics)
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Maybe value is stored from last time? This is what 9Val said: Actually filter statistics is correct for that session only, since saving is too expensive operation to be done every time it was tested/triggered. If I understand it correctly, it's not true for me - filter statistics are saved after a reboot of TheBat! Confirmations? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Lost my receive mail button
Hello Stuart, Stuart Cuddy wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): That helps, but: it is inconsistent. Here the Send icon is the first to drop off, see attachment. More logical would be, as in other programs, to start dropping icons from right to left. Fully confirmed. Are you using the icon sets that come with the beta. Yes. If not this may be the problem. Also if you have tried to resize the icons you may see things like this. Don't understand you here. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.5 (non)fixed issues
Hello 9Val, 9Val wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): - paddings beetween window areas are still inconsistent I know, that you gave examples of that, No, it wasn't me :-). but can't find that message, mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] may I ask you to resend screenshot? Of course, send by PM. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
