Re[2]: Model/view design for text editor
Hello Thomas, Sunday, December 29, 2002 you asked: I'm no expert on text editors, so I'd best ask. Can other editors: Change text from All Caps to All Lower Case or First Letter Caps with a 2 key keystroke combo? TF How do you do that? (Another feature I never knew of... ;-)) On my Latin American Spanish Keyboard, All Caps = crtl+? (second last key on right, top row), All Lower Case = ctrl+¿ (last key on right, top row) First Letter Caps = ctrl+] (last key on right, second row from bottom). See Marck's silverstone website for the equivalent English keyboard commands. -- Douglas Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Victor B. Gonzalez [VBG] wrote:'
VBG In actuality I have 2 AVs. pccillin Norton fully updated. I
VBG manually choose to disable their running active on purpose.
You'd have to do this anyway since having both doing realtime
scanning could crash your system and even render it unbootable since
the real time scanner startup at boot time would lead to conflicts.
VBG One thing then I would need help with if someone would be so
VBG kind. One, I understand The Bat! supports the AVG plugin, but
VBG do I need AVG running all the time or can AVG simply launch
VBG unnoticeably when I hit send to send mail out then just stop?
No. You don't need AVG running all the time. The plug-in uses it as
needed.
VBG I would like AVG to only scan outgoing mail at all other
VBG times remain inactive not scanning anything else.
The plug-in is your friend then.
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Re: Feature Request I'd Like To See in The Bat!
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Spyder [S] wrote:'
S I use multiple email accounts (like 15 or so) with TheBat and would like some
S better ways to manage them:
S- make changes to the preferences on a global scale
S- make filters (anti spam mainly) that can reach all
Saccounts with out having to make them for each account. -
Shave the email checking sequential-able so all the
Saccounts don't check at the same time
You've hit on one of TB!'s main shortcomings, i.e., there's no easy
way to make changes globally, across accounts. You have to configure
each account separately.
Currently filters cannot be created that will work for multiple
accounts.
The only way to make the accounts be checked sequentially is to
adjust the automatic check interval for each account in a way that
will prevent checks occurring at the same time.
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Re: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
Hallo Victor, On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:18:41 -0500GMT (29-12-02, 6:18 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: VBG I would like AVG to only scan outgoing mail at all other VBG times remain inactive not scanning anything else. That's rather useless. Most viruses use their own smtp-client to deliver themselves at your outgoing smtp-server. Those that don't do that, use Outlook or OE to deliver their stuff. Therefore it won't do you any good to scan TB's outgoing mail. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[Feature request] Check mail every ... when offline.
Hello, this is a old question: when I`m offline and TB is configured to check mail every x minutes, i get a `beep` error every `x` minutes. An offline-mode? workarounds? (maybe I`ve lost something in MLs) tnx! -- Ciao! Gian Matteo icq:3946333 The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
Hello Mike, On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 04:48:14 + GMT (29/12/02, 11:48 +0700 GMT), Mike Alexander wrote: JA Could you please enlighten me as to what viruses TB! is susceptible JA to? You'll only be infected with a virus through TB! if you were JA foolish enough to launch the file without checking it first, or JA trusting the source explicitly, and still launching it. I agree. Except for Trojans of course. How can you ben infected through TB with a trojan? And as long as you keep all your mail incoming to text only. No, TB's HTML rendering engine does not allow code to run. And as long as you don't click on something sent to you by a friend. And as long as you don't click on something by accident. In both these cases, you have to either actually switch off the Warning feature in TB, or ignore the warning. so, accidents are not really possible, and TB will allow you to open the file sent to you by a friend, because TB assumes you know what you are doing when you click the warning away. I would not like TB to nanny me that far. And as long as you have AV software to make sure none of the above happens if you don't take the necessary precautions for one reason or another. There are enough people who don't run AV software for email, as long as they run TB. It is pretty difficult to start a received malware by accident from within TB. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Important warning for aircraft pilots: Teeth that have been improperly filled cause problems with altitude or rapid decompressions. The higher pressure under the filling will cause excruciating pain and in rare instances can cause the tooth to explode. An exploding tooth would be distracting. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [Feature request] Check mail every ... when offline.
On Monday, December 30, 2002, 1:23:36 AM, Giamma wrote: Hello, this is a old question: when I`m offline and TB is configured to check mail every x minutes, i get a `beep` error every `x` minutes. An offline-mode? workarounds? (maybe I`ve lost something in MLs) tnx! You can prevent TB! from trying too hard to make a connection. That's what I do. Gavin Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Check mail every ... when offline.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Giamma, @29-Dec-2002, 15:23 +0100 (14:23 UK time) Giamma [G] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: G this is a old question: when I`m offline and TB is G configured to check mail every x minutes, i get a `beep` G error every `x` minutes. G An offline-mode? workarounds? (maybe I`ve lost something in G MLs) Are you using dial-up or LAN routing? You don't say. The only work-around is for dial-up usage and involves setting the Options | Network administration options to do No automatic dial for periodical checking... and Use existing dial-up connection That will stop it checking while you're off-line. As for LAN connection, that's a bit tougher. You can't stop it checking because you're supposed to be always on-line in that environment. What I have done is to reprogramme the Windows Sound for Exclamation to (none). That cures the beep but not the event :-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+DwrSOeQkq5KdzaARAqWPAKDr2AICvzyoD0w2H7whpuqg4mIKlwCgye1V 29iD/WX88f+yhN2/LzlPgnA= =Znf3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Feature Request I'd Like To See in The Bat!
Hello Spyder, Sunday, December 29, 2002, you wrote: S I use multiple email accounts (like 15 or so) with TheBat and would like some S better ways to manage them: I too use a lot of accounts and have asked for global Manager features for the ticker, columns, filters etc. S - make changes to the preferences on a global scale S - make filters (anti spam mainly) that can reach all accounts S with out having to make them for each account. You can do this with the Selective Download Filter in that (under the Advanced tab) you can link it to an external file. It's not fully cross-accounts, but using a text file, you only have to enter the strings once. S - have the email checking sequential-able so all the accounts S don't check at the same time Why would you want to do that? Simultaneous downloading is a real time-saver (and one of the reason I much prefer TB! to programs like Calypso). -- Douglas Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, December 29, 2002, Roelof Otten wrote... VBG I would like AVG to only scan outgoing mail at all other times VBG remain inactive not scanning anything else. That's rather useless. Most viruses use their own smtp-client to deliver themselves at your outgoing smtp-server. Those that don't do that, use Outlook or OE to deliver their stuff. Therefore it won't do you any good to scan TB's outgoing mail. Depends on how you have it setup. Yes, it's rather useless if you have it as a plugin, as you said, some viruses contain their own smtp-engine. However, Norton 2002 (and maybe 2000) doesn't scan in the same way. It actually listens for connection attempts to port 25, and puts in an intermediary 'wall' to scan all the outgoing mail. IE: Before: TheBat - ISP SMTP After: TheBat - Norton - ISP SMTP So even if a virus such as klez was caught, Norton would probably catch it trying to send. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPg8cGCuD6BT4/R9zEQKTJgCfUSUpwHG42PRwf7Bpab9n5LeuodwAoOrw uSqCVyIqgJYbeXXAJhxIxg5U =iW/8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problem uninstalling The Bat! v1.62 (Please, help)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I've tried to uninstall The Bat! v1.62 but I get an error when I try to remove it from the Control Panel, the uninstaller says there was an error while cleaning the program directory, please how can I remove it? Thank you very much -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0 iQA/AwUBPg8gxPbIVBb5XVpqEQLw8gCdFoKabDOYJ8nmstrQzcUH1/2dm8QAnA7q GHHMeJI9xL+3JlY2VtqUWrXT =/IJN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters
Well, I've tried all the great suggestions given and nothing has resolved the issue, although I still have yet to find updated video drivers, which I'll do momentarily. Actually I'm quite disappointed as I thought I had found a great email client for an older computer... maybe mine is just too old! I did discover that it only occurs in plain text mode, which the composer only uses. I have it set to Rich text/HTML to read incoming messages and everything looks normal there, but if I change it back to plain text mode, all incoming mail looks just as horrible. -Sue Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem uninstalling The Bat! v1.62 (Please, help)
I've tried to uninstall The Bat! v1.62 but I get an error when I try to remove it from the Control Panel, the uninstaller says there was an error while cleaning the program directory, please how can I remove it? Most likely, the uninstaller doesn't remove any files that it did not originally istall - this means your email, i.e. files that were created in the course of using the program. This is normal and correct behavior; uninstallers shouldn't delete files created by the user. (Also, the uninstaller will not be able to remove the program's directory if a file in that directory is kept open by any application.) If that is the case and if you do want to delete all those files, you should be able to remove TheBat's directory using Windows Explorer. .marek jedlinski -- No ads, no nags freeware: http://keynote.prv.pl (KeyNote, PhoneDeck, KookieJar, Oubliette) I've noticed that the press tends to be quite accurate, except when they're writing on a subject I know something about. (Keith F. Lynch) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Model/view design for text editor
Change text from All Caps to All Lower Case or First Letter Caps with a 2 key keystroke combo? TF How do you do that? (Another feature I never knew of... ;-)) I use one text/rtf editor which provides a plethora of options that do allow manipulation of text in many ways. It is called keynote 1.5.8 and you can get it at the following address: http://keynote.prv.pl/ Why, thanks! (And it's been 1.5.9 since yesterday ;) You can send mail direct from the program and it is quite amazing being it is a free application :) KeyNote's editor is the standard Windows rich text control; I don't think I would have been able to write one from scratch. But the upcase/lowcase/Proper Case are entirely homegrown :) .marek jedlinski -- No ads, no nags freeware: http://keynote.prv.pl (KeyNote, PhoneDeck, KookieJar, Oubliette) So tell me, just how long have you had this feeling that no one is watching you? (Christopher Locke: Entropy Gradient Reversals) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
AVG (Grisoft) Plug-in for theBat!
I have been looking all over the place on both sites (Grisoft Ritlabs) and I cannot find the AVG Anti-Virus plug-in for theBat. Could someone help me out with this link, so I can download it. Thanks I'm still using and promoting theBat! --- ~John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters
Hi Sue, on Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:30:34 -0700GMT (29.12.02, 18:30 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : S Actually I'm quite disappointed as I thought I had found a great email S client for an older computer... maybe mine is just too old! I did S discover that it only occurs in plain text mode, which the composer only S uses. I have it set to Rich text/HTML to read incoming messages and S everything looks normal there, but if I change it back to plain text S mode, all incoming mail looks just as horrible. Don't despair. You even found a work-around. :-) What's wrong about using the RTV? I prefer it anyway, so I can see signatures or quotes in a predefined way. *S* About old computers: I use Win98SE on a Pentium II, 200 MHz machine, 64MB RAM... The Bat! works fine. :-) -- Cheers Peter The irony of life is that no one gets out alive... Winamp currently playing: - silence - Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG (Grisoft) Plug-in for theBat!
Hallo ~John, On Sunday, 29. December 2002, at 12:06:33 [GMT -0600] you wrote: I have been looking all over the place on both sites (Grisoft Ritlabs) and I cannot find the AVG Anti-Virus plug-in for theBat. Could someone help me out with this link, so I can download it. ftp.grisoft.com/pub/softw/thebat/avgbat10us.exe -- Ciao Thomas Mailer: TheBat! 1.62 Christmas Edition System: Windows XP Service Pack 1 PGP:PGP 6.58ckt Build 08 | Key: 0xABBB7287 ICQ:121117424 (hardly ever there) HP: http://mirror.at/thebat CCOUNT=WEB.DE Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem uninstalling The Bat! v1.62 (Please, help)
I had the exact same problem yesterday when I was uninstalling and reinstalling. It seems to be a glitch. The program didn't even attempt an uninstall due to some error, as you mentioned. What I did was go in and manually deleted the Bat folder, with everything in it. Then I used RegCleaner (or manually editing the registry will also do) to uninstall any remaining Bat registries, and of course deleted all shortcuts on the menu and desktop. It was an unorthodox method for deleting a program but it seemed to do the trick. The Bat uninstall feature does seem to be a problem though -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I've tried to uninstall The Bat! v1.62 but I get an error when I try to remove it from the Control Panel, the uninstaller says there was an error while cleaning the program directory, please how can I remove it? Thank you very much -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0 iQA/AwUBPg8gxPbIVBb5XVpqEQLw8gCdFoKabDOYJ8nmstrQzcUH1/2dm8QAnA7q GHHMeJI9xL+3JlY2VtqUWrXT =/IJN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters
Hello Sue, Sunday, December 29, 2002, 5:30:34 PM, you wrote: S Well, I've tried all the great suggestions given and nothing has S resolved the issue, although I still have yet to find updated video S drivers, which I'll do momentarily. S Actually I'm quite disappointed as I thought I had found a great email S client for an older computer... maybe mine is just too old! I did S discover that it only occurs in plain text mode, which the composer only S uses. I have it set to Rich text/HTML to read incoming messages and S everything looks normal there, but if I change it back to plain text S mode, all incoming mail looks just as horrible. Just a thought. Is all your incoming mail in the same character set? I.e. in Windows, for instance, unless you install things like Chinese, Arabic etc (non-Latin characters) all the mail you get in those languages will be garbage. Indeed, that's one of the ways I spot spam, a lot of which comes with a .tw (Taiwan) country identifier in the sender address. -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Questins related to the log
1. Any idea how I can do a search inside the log? I can invoke the log with CTRL-SHIFT-A and see the activity, but if I want to do a search to find out which filter processed a particular message (which I need to do when I can't figure out why something was moved to, say, my Spam mailbox), there's no way I can search for that particular message. I'd at least like to be able to search for the words processed by so I can find those messages which were processed by filters. If I try to use CTRL-F, nothing happens. I guess I can copy the whole log into my word processing program and then search, but I don't understand why I can't search within the log. 2. Also, I can't go back and forth between the log and TB. When the log is open, I can't do anything else in TB until I close it. Why? 3. One other log-related question. What do the green and blue arrows mean or do? Can't figure them out. The working of the log seems a bit awkward, but perhaps I don't understand its purpose. Mike -- JANUS BOOKS, LTD. Post Office Box 40787 Tucson, AZ 85717 Phone: 520-881-8192; toll-free voice-mail: 800-986-1165 Fax: 815-333-2938 http://janusbooks.com Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover, and PayPal accepted. Member: IOBA (Independent Online Booksellers Association) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Questins related to the log
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michael, @29-Dec-2002, 14:54 -0700 (21:54 UK time) Michael S. Greenbaum [MSG] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MSG 1. Any idea how I can do a search inside the log? ... snip MSG I guess I can copy the whole log into my word processing MSG program and then search, but I don't understand why I can't MSG search within the log. It's not that kind of interface - *but* - the log exists as an ASCII text file called ACCOUNT.LOG and can be found in the account folder. You can easily open that in notepad (or better) and search it however you may wish. MSG 2. Also, I can't go back and forth between the log and TB. MSG When the log is open, I can't do anything else in TB until I MSG close it. Why? It seems to be what is known as a modal window. MSG 3. One other log-related question. What do the green and blue MSG arrows mean or do? Can't figure them out. Send and Receive respectively. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+D3qOOeQkq5KdzaARAq33AJ42RLS3gWtFAX8VE8Rezxgq7DWQYgCfU/bF VJR6RSxiCbxVfvmERIx+yXw= =nJ4K -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Questins related to the log
Hallo Michael, On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:54:25 -0700GMT (29-12-02, 22:54 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: MSG 1. Any idea how I can do a search inside the log? Open the account.log file with notepad or something like it and use those facilities. The account.log file can be found in the directory where you store the files and folders for the account in question. (The default is c:\program files\the bat\mail\blablabla) MSG 3. One other log-related question. What do the green and blue MSG arrows mean or do? Can't figure them out. A blue arrow pointing down means that a message has triggered an incoming filter. Currently I've no green arrows, but I suppose those are messages that triggered a filter from a different set (outgoing, read, replied or selective download) MSG The working of the log seems a bit awkward, but perhaps I don't MSG understand its purpose. The icons show what filter set was used, so that might help you with a search. For the rest I suppose the log is intended to follow what TB has been doing. Easy for debugging filters etc. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
Hello Victor, Sunday, December 29, 2002, 5:18:41 AM, you wrote: VBG -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- VBG Hash: SHA1 VBG Hello Mike, VBG I have no Virus plug ins that work with The Bat! and no VBG Anti-Virus scanner running active. VBG In actuality I have 2 AVs. pccillin Norton fully updated. VBG I manually choose to disable their running active on VBG purpose. I like my system to run quicker faster do not VBG appreciate the lag these types of programs create. I can appreciate that, but the faster systems these days hardly even hiccup with a real-time virus scanner working away. Right now I'm running Kaspersky AVP, which is set to scan all files all of the time, as well as 3 distributed computing programs plus a host of other background stuff ( 21 icons in the system tray !! ) and not a glimmer of a stutter as I type away and send mail lol BTW - as Roelof says, having 2 AV's real time scan is not a good idea even if your system is the fastest - they fight for control !! -- Best regards, Barry2 Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The Bat! feature requests
Some observations: When you create a new address book, an appropriate storage file should be suggested (based on the name). I shouldn't have to naviage through TB! dungeons and define my own file. I love being able to scroll one line or one page of a message when the focus is on the message list. Being able to scroll *half* a page would be the icing for me. And, as always, having the ability to edit emails in an external editor... Regards, Gavin Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Questins related to the log
Thanks to all who replied. I hadn't realized I could access the log other than through the CTRL-SHIFT-A. By opening it in notepad, I was able to search for just what I needed. Thanks again. Mike -- JANUS BOOKS, LTD. Post Office Box 40787 Tucson, AZ 85717 Phone: 520-881-8192; toll-free voice-mail: 800-986-1165 Fax: 815-333-2938 http://janusbooks.com Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover, and PayPal accepted. Member: IOBA (Independent Online Booksellers Association) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! feature requests
Hello Gavin, On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:10:46 +1100 GMT (30/12/02, 06:10 +0700 GMT), Gavin Sinclair wrote: I love being able to scroll one line or one page of a message when the focus is on the message list. Being able to scroll *half* a page would be the icing for me. One line: alt-up or alt-down One page: space bar. HTH. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Always try to be modest. And be proud of it! Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
Hello Victor, Sunday, December 29, 2002, 5:18:41 AM, you wrote: VBG In actuality I have 2 AVs. pccillin Norton fully updated. VBG I manually choose to disable their running active on VBG purpose. I like my system to run quicker faster do not VBG appreciate the lag these types of programs create. Er, don't :) That is, don't have 2 AVs as they will tend to crash your system if you run them both at the same time, and don't turn the AV you do have off. On any modern computer the the lag will be so small you won't notice it in terms of machine use. I use Norton and I don't even notice it's there on an Athlon Thunderbird 800 machine with 1.3 Gb of RAM. A Seriously, you absolutely should have a scanner. You could be one of MA the people passing on viruses to people. VBG Even if I had executed the virus and it be one of the worst VBG viruses in existence it really wouldn't have affected me in VBG the least. How do you know? And how do you know it won't affect someone else? VBG I've built my systems to be +virus proof and I can literally VBG catch over 400 different viruses in one shot and it wouldn't VBG make a difference to my information or OS boot stability. Victor, you really need to read the literature. There is no such thing as 100% virus/worm/Trojan proof. There is only a very high degree of protection. That's because each new incursion will result in a virus/worm/Trojan which you don't know about and which executes code you may not be protected against. VBG To be honest I don't even need my currently updated AVs. Yes, you do. :) MA Not having a scanner not only means you can get infected, it also MA means you can pass it on to other people. VBG You're right! you got me there. I know not every one has VBG systems plans in place like I do to fend off viruses, VBG Trojans worms. You may fend off most, but basically, even you if a triple-cycled sheep dip machine, you can till miss something. VBG I have plans on writing a report on how to operate VBG maintain a safe and healthy OS after I finish my spam report VBG and to be honest you've made a point I really didn't stop to VBG think about. I should check out what's already on the Net before leaping into writing something. I'm not saying you don't know enough or can't help people to learn some tricks, but your attitude to new threats and to passing on nasties seems a little naive. And that's not meant in any way offensively. VBG One thing then I would need help with if someone would be VBG so kind. One, I understand The Bat! supports the AVG plugin, VBG but do I need AVG running all the time or can AVG simply VBG launch unnoticeably when I hit send to send mail out then VBG just stop? You'd be much better off with the excellent Norton engine that you already have, running all the time. -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
Hello Jonathan, Sunday, December 29, 2002, 5:33:26 AM, you wrote: JA I was after a specific example of a virus that affects TB!, as from JA the statement, it'd appear that you think there are viruses that are JA propagated via TB!, I'm not saying there are any, but I've not seen JA any. Of course, there are methods of getting viruses from websites, JA iframe and javascript for example, but none of those are specific to JA TB! I'd like to hear of an example that specifically affects TB! and JA doesn't require that you make some kind of user interaction, because JA if user interaction is required, then again, it's not specific to JA TB, but could be included in a floppy disk, CD, website, download, JA or whatever, at which point you'd have to run it anyway. Unlikely. Most viruses/worms/trojans are not program-specific. It's only the cr*p from the script kiddies that usually is, and that's just because they're using virus engineering software they've downloaded off a site and don't know any better. JA Not that I am worried, I run Sophos on our mail servers, so I'm JA not too worried about getting infected, but I'd still like to JA know which viruses you think affect TB! Yeah, Sophos is generally good, particularly in it's corporate form, as I said. Which viruses/worms/trojans? Any that are targeted at mail generically as opposed to OL/OE specific. TB is still software like any other and anything that would target the underlying mail engine i.e. that targets pop3, smtp etc will have an effect on TB. So, a generic which distributed itself by attaching to any sent message would affect TB as much as any other mail program. At least TB has it's own address book which solves one of the current problems :) Good. Actually, people cause far more problems these days by transmission rather than by their own misfortune :) -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
Hello Thomas, Sunday, December 29, 2002, 2:21:19 PM, you wrote: TF How can you ben infected through TB with a trojan? Through an attachment for example. Even from a trusted source. And as long as you keep all your mail incoming to text only. TF No, TB's HTML rendering engine does not allow code to run. Code doesn't have to run in TB. You can download mail from a trusted source, save it to disk and run it from there. And you may never know you have the trojan as a good trojan will not affect your machine until, for example, the time comes for your machine to be used in a DDOS attack. And as long as you don't click on something sent to you by a friend. And as long as you don't click on something by accident. TF In both these cases, you have to either actually switch off the TF Warning feature in TB, or ignore the warning. so, accidents are not TF really possible, and TB will allow you to open the file sent to you by TF a friend, because TB assumes you know what you are doing when you TF click the warning away. I would not like TB to nanny me that far. And there is a good example of a security hole. How do you know your friend isn't passing on an infection, whether it be worm/virus or trojan? And as long as you have AV software to make sure none of the above happens if you don't take the necessary precautions for one reason or another. TF There are enough people who don't run AV software for email, as long TF as they run TB. It is pretty difficult to start a received malware by TF accident from within TB. If you're not convinced by my trusted source argument: It wasn't that long ago that Microsoft distributed a CD to 2000 developers at a Developers Conference which contained a virus/worm. And it was only a couple of years before that that Novell sent out 50k copies of it's what was then it's current networking product also containing a worm. ;-) -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! feature requests
On Monday, December 30, 2002, 12:16:16 PM, Thomas wrote: Hello Gavin, On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:10:46 +1100 GMT (30/12/02, 06:10 +0700 GMT), Gavin Sinclair wrote: I love being able to scroll one line or one page of a message when the focus is on the message list. Being able to scroll *half* a page would be the icing for me. One line: alt-up or alt-down One page: space bar. I'm enthusiastically aware of these keyboard commands. However, scrolling *half* a page (instead of a full one) is something I would really like to see. I find that scrolling a page at a time makes it difficult to maintain context. Gavin Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Model/view design for text editor
Why, thanks! (And it's been 1.5.9 since yesterday ;) For those of us who already have 1.5.8 installed, do we have to uninstall and reinstall to get 1.5.9, or can we just install over top of 1.5.8? Mark Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Changing sender's address for reply
I sometimes receive e-mail from a person with many e-mail addresses, depending on her context and location. Some, unfortunately, are private and some are not. Occasionally, I receive an e-mail from this@dress but need to direct my reply to that@dress. I'm drawing a blank on how to do this. Any suggestions? -- JN Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE:[Changing sender's address for reply][30/12/2002-4:08 GMT]
Edit the message for reply, goto view and click on Return-path and/or Reply-to and change them/it to the address you like. Also, you can view other fields which you can change. Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Ø©Eªnº - þªT®iª - NØsT®ª] Las Palmas, Canary Islands [30/12/2002, 4:08 GMT] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 [Original message, 30/12/2002, 4:00] Joseph N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JN I sometimes receive e-mail from a person with many e-mail JN addresses, depending on her context and location. Some, JN unfortunately, are private and some are not. Occasionally, I JN receive an e-mail from this@dress but need to direct my JN reply to that@dress. I'm drawing a blank on how to do this. JN Any suggestions? --- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Mike, MA Sunday, December 29, 2002, 5:18:41 AM, you wrote: VBG In actuality I have 2 AVs. pccillin Norton fully updated. MA Er, don't :) That is, don't have 2 AVs as they will tend to crash MA your system if you run them both at the same time A Seriously, you absolutely should have a scanner. You could be one of MA the people passing on viruses to people. VBG Even if I had executed the virus and it be one of the worst VBG viruses in existence it really wouldn't have affected me in VBG the least. MA How do you know? And how do you know it won't affect someone else? It could take me a long time to explain and is why I am writing the report. I have measures of methods that I've been following for a long time and they have proven well. VBG I've built my systems to be +virus proof and I can literally VBG catch over 400 different viruses in one shot and it wouldn't VBG make a difference to my information or OS boot stability. MA Victor, you really need to read the literature. There is no such MA thing as 100% virus/worm/Trojan proof. The answer is in your own statement. No such thing (AV) that is 100% malware proof. Day 1 - You update your AV with day 1 signature. Day 2 - New malware on loose. Next AV update is day 4. Day 3 - Malware infects your OS, melting your ice cream. MA There is only a very high degree of protection. That's MA because each new incursion will result in a MA virus/worm/Trojan which you don't know about and which MA executes code you may not be protected against. I've read somewhere that human error is 77% responsible for system failures. Human Error Vs. Malware If that is the case then I am willing to bet (just a bet) the remaining 27% who protected against a virus but catches one fall into the 77% of human error. VBG To be honest I don't even need my currently updated AVs. MA Yes, you do. :) MA Not having a scanner not only means you can get infected, it also MA means you can pass it on to other people. I agree, I apologize. Though my smarts and methods might prove great against an attack on my OS, I only agree because I wasn't thinking about everyone else when it came to my OS. VBG You're right! you got me there. I know not every one has VBG systems plans in place like I do to fend off viruses, VBG Trojans worms. MA You may fend off most, but basically, even you if a triple-cycled MA sheep dip machine, you can till miss something. what? VBG I have plans on writing a report on how to operate VBG maintain a safe and healthy OS after I finish my spam report VBG and to be honest you've made a point I really didn't stop to VBG think about. MA I should check out what's already on the Net before leaping into MA writing something. I'm not saying you don't know enough or can't help MA people to learn some tricks, but your attitude to new threats and to MA passing on nasties seems a little naive. And that's not meant in any MA way offensively. No offense taken what so ever :) A good debate is the father of a good report. I was though for the record not mentioning writing a report about AVs but a report on good system maintenance. The future report is mainly aimed at protecting yourself and not others; but what is safety with a disregard of it towards others? You're right and I am not upset. I can only thank you for your point of view on the subject. VBG One thing then I would need help with if someone would be VBG so kind. One, I understand The Bat! supports the AVG plugin, VBG but do I need AVG running all the time or can AVG simply VBG launch unnoticeably when I hit send to send mail out then VBG just stop? I do still prefer a plug-in VS. full system watch AVs. Which is the best freeware version out? I don't really like the idea of paying for another anti-virus scanner :( MA You'd be much better off with the excellent Norton engine that you MA already have, running all the time. NAV is a part of my NSW2002 Pro package and I don't have it installed. Does it have plug-in support because then maybe I'll pull it out of the box? I do have MicroTrend PC-cillin 2000 installed and it is actively updated but it fails to catch incoming outgoing virus attachments :( - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPg/c/13LB35+TCg0EQLEfQCg3dtk5+3kCQYUmJAqYtDYR17Xxe0AoND9 z1ZysyRUORxbtMG1OrrWm2Ms =NOhf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, December 29, 2002, Mike Alexander wrote... JA I was after a specific example of a virus that affects TB!, as from JA the statement, it'd appear that you think there are viruses that are JA propagated via TB! Unlikely. Most viruses/worms/trojans are not program-specific. It's only the cr*p from the script kiddies that usually is, and that's just because they're using virus engineering software they've downloaded off a site and don't know any better. Blah, some of the most recently ones are easily coded in delphi, and would take no more than 30mins to make. I still seem to be missing your point though, from your statement, you made it seem like there were viruses that specifically targetted TB!... but now you're saying all programs in general? A rather obvious statement, and something most people that watch the news would probably be aware of. Any that are targeted at mail generically as opposed to OL/OE specific. Which are? TB is still software like any other and anything that would target the underlying mail engine i.e. that targets pop3, smtp etc will have an effect on TB. Not really... I've not seen one that specifically uses TB!'s mail handling to do its work, and in fact have only seen ones that use Outlook (Express) to do that, or have their own custom handler to do so (see Klez again). So, a generic which distributed itself by attaching to any sent message would affect TB as much as any other mail program. Er, only if you were foolish enough to execute the attachment from a trusted point of view. If you are 100% sure of the source, and trusted it explicitly, you're bound to cause yourself problems. At least TB has it's own address book which solves one of the current problems :) Not really. The addressbook files are readable in notepad, and I can grab email addresses that way. The mail base files (.tbb) are also readable in notepad, which would also contain addresses. Just as a point on this: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugbear reads .tbb files for email addresses ;) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPg/fiiuD6BT4/R9zEQIAxwCggsWPoT5R3+pdu/rVxdljMwL4EPwAnjDa RxDMXa3rESkuSK6L/HjiPKDT =HwAE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: [lost 500 messages][27/12/2002-13:59 GMT]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Scott Johnson wrote: Ok. I stand corrected. Everything has a limit at least in theory. In my particular case though, I am and will be for some time to come, limited only by total disk space on any given volume. Microsoft talks in terabytes and I am barely into triple digit gigabytes... The largest volume on my system is under 40 GB. ;) Well, to be fair it is, currently, effectively unlimited. I don't know anyone that has anywhere near that large of a volume (or hard drive either). But unless there was some pressing need for it, even if I could have a volume that large, I wouldn't. The defrag time would be horrible. :-/ - -- Best regards, Jonathan Chattin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+D+WwryIAwRrDgYwRAkpHAJ9IIfhlVRJAbmi7/Z+5EBaf/XPTYgCgoLDM BtKPZ/8vIjAoBeiof8L4Teo= =KcLu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing sender's address for reply
Hello Joseph, On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:00:21 -0600 GMT (30/12/02, 11:00 +0700 GMT), Joseph N. wrote: I sometimes receive e-mail from a person with many e-mail addresses, depending on her context and location. Some, unfortunately, are private and some are not. Occasionally, I receive an e-mail from this@dress but need to direct my reply to that@dress. I'm drawing a blank on how to do this. Any suggestions? I have a friend like this. He always sends from his office email address (using OL), but wants me to reply to his private email (GMX, which he checks via the web interface, but writing via the web interface is troublesome to say the least). I have an addressbook entry for him, with both addresses mentioned. The reply template contains this macro: %TO= %TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED]%- So, whichever address he uses to write to me, the reply will always go to his private GMX address. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wachskerzen wachsen gar nicht, sondern werden im Gegenteil immer kleiner. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Changing sender's address for reply
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: MD5 Hi Thomas, that makes me think... is there any way to trigger a menu setting from a template macro? Basically I'm looking for a way to always set encrypt when completed option to true when sending to a particular users or list of users... cheers, Toby Monday, December 30, 2002, 5:31:45 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Joseph, TF On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:00:21 -0600 GMT (30/12/02, 11:00 +0700 GMT), TF Joseph N. wrote: I sometimes receive e-mail from a person with many e-mail addresses, depending on her context and location. Some, unfortunately, are private and some are not. Occasionally, I receive an e-mail from this@dress but need to direct my reply to that@dress. I'm drawing a blank on how to do this. Any suggestions? TF I have a friend like this. He always sends from his office email TF address (using OL), but wants me to reply to his private email (GMX, TF which he checks via the web interface, but writing via the web TF interface is troublesome to say the least). TF I have an addressbook entry for him, with both addresses mentioned. TF The reply template contains this macro: TF %TO= %TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED]%- TF So, whichever address he uses to write to me, the reply will always go TF to his private GMX address. --- Life is poetry - write it in your own words. --- Toby Tremayne Technical Team Lead Code Poet and Zen Master of the Heavy Sleep Toll Solutions 154 Moray St Sth Melbourne VIC 3205 +61 3 9697 2317 0416 048 090 ICQ: 13107913 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUAPg/sN0YhrxxXvPlFAQH56gP/b3PppQKOuIIncVfAKZJBRrciRnX26sLj iuGPq63eH+moeyhK4cMVCc+8ERo/c7zgGVUi2gzOf+N8JDMuZ8HP3k7pSuJC3TSs mozUF+dTfXMJR/rVHuk0QkUvOwbGBhJSGA3nVOl+dNVRWPL54R88+uJb6rvtnjsK /4GQjiwZ3AM= =QqsR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing sender's address for reply
Hello Toby, On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:48:23 +1100 GMT (30/12/02, 13:48 +0700 GMT), Toby Tremayne wrote: that makes me think... is there any way to trigger a menu setting from a template macro? Not really. Basically I'm looking for a way to always set encrypt when completed option to true when sending to a particular users or list of users... But there is a solution for your wish: use the %EncryptComplete macro. Also check out Help / Template Macros (the complete list of). ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. You should never kiss a girl unless you have enough bucks or buy her a big ring and her own VCR, 'cause she'll want to have videos of the wedding. (Jim, 10) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Changing sender's address for reply
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: MD5 Hi Thomas, excellent - thanks very much. Monday, December 30, 2002, 5:58:10 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Toby, TF On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:48:23 +1100 GMT (30/12/02, 13:48 +0700 GMT), TF Toby Tremayne wrote: that makes me think... is there any way to trigger a menu setting from a template macro? TF Not really. Basically I'm looking for a way to always set encrypt when completed option to true when sending to a particular users or list of users... TF But there is a solution for your wish: use the %EncryptComplete macro. TF Also check out Help / Template Macros (the complete list of). ;-) --- Life is poetry - write it in your own words. --- Toby Tremayne Technical Team Lead Code Poet and Zen Master of the Heavy Sleep Toll Solutions 154 Moray St Sth Melbourne VIC 3205 +61 3 9697 2317 0416 048 090 ICQ: 13107913 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUAPg/xLkYhrxxXvPlFAQHYXQP/fnHhTFZSk+OCQTE6hLSciaQM+9EwoV4b 071/TdPGHiJjZsTtQHvz7ElhkwUcoxVzUijol1aLdF9wdjUHRlC7qRHJUDhFIR1t gxm3lwgqZlgrNQyCRtkyudD02tyqK+pL6Zf0pwgIsLdQyJ/D2rOWtGDFgNMMJW73 2hcpvmxkYCE= =/nLU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters
Okay, so here's the scoop about the jumbled letters: I searched the Internet for newer video card drivers and the only one I found was one that was slightly newer than the one I already had installed. Since I had tried all other options, I decided that downloading and installing the drivers was my last and only hope. After installing, I opened The Bat and (surprise, surprise!) my compose screen finally works! It looks and acts exactly the way it is supposed to. I am writing this message and actually seeing what I'm typing! So I guess the drivers *were* the culprit after all. Okay... I'm keeping TB for sure now. ;-) Thanks everyone for all your help and suggestions! Sue Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
