Re[2]: Mass Exporting Messages
Hello Roelof, On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, at 14:38:40 [GMT +0200] (which was 13:38 in my TimeZone) you wrote: MT -- RO BTW Your signature delimiter is broken. It should be RO dashdashspaceenter fixed?? -- Best regards, Michael http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0x402A090F When their numbers dwindled from 50 to 8, the dwarfs began to suspect Hungry Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Coloring in the message list
Hello Rafi, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 00:38:54 -0500 GMT (27/07/03, 12:38 +0700 GMT), Rafi Avital wrote: My objective: Color the title (in the message-list pane) of any encrypted message. I can enter something like --BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-- as the string to look for, but the only place in TB! where I can specify an action on such a condition is in the Sorting office when defining a new filter. I don't want to filter or move the message anywhere, I just want the title to be a different color, and the Color Groups option don't depend on the contents of a particular field. Filtering does not necessarily mean moving. So, the Sorting Office and New Filter are the right places to go. You were almost there. The first filter in your Incoming list could be a new filter, which uses Inbox as both source and target folders (so the messages is not being moved). String: --BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-- Presence: Y Location: Text Actions / Set the Colour Group to... Any incoming messages with that string will now be colour-coded as you desire, but not moved anywhere. Under the Options tab, tick on Continue Processing with Other Filters, as you might have filters that move messages and that should be applied to an encrypted message. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mass Exporting Messages
Hello Michael, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:39:16 +0100 GMT (27/07/03, 13:39 +0700 GMT), Michael Thompson wrote: RO BTW Your signature delimiter is broken. It should be RO dashdashspaceenter fixed?? Works fine over here. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Coloring in the message list
27-Jul-2003 08:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first filter in your Incoming list could be a new filter, which uses Inbox as both source and target folders (so the messages is not being moved). This works for new messages, but could it be done for existing messages that are in different folders? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) History contains no facts but those that are the most thoroughly improbable from the standpoint of probability theory. -- Stanislaw Lem Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Coloring in the message list
Hello Alexander, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 08:58:15 +0200 GMT (27/07/03, 13:58 +0700 GMT), Alexander wrote: The first filter in your Incoming list could be a new filter, which uses Inbox as both source and target folders (so the messages is not being moved). This works for new messages, but could it be done for existing messages that are in different folders? TB's filtering system for some reason does not have an option don't move, or leave in source folder. While I hope this is being fixed, this is what will happen if you what to colour code existing messages: 1.) Activate the folder in which they are. 2.) Go to Folder / Re-Filter The mails will be colour-coded, but are moved back to Inbox. so, activate the Inbox. 4.) Go to Folder / Re-filter (in your Inbox) The mails are now back where they belong, provided they were moved there by a filter in the first place. If they were moved manually, this won't work. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If you don't pay your exorcist, you get repossessed. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hello Thomas, on Sunday, July 27, 2003, 3:22:24 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I discovered that my mail provider GMX provides IMAP4 access too. I have configured a new account with setting imap.gmx.de for incoming mail. But ... where's the difference to pop3? The Bat still downloads all my mail, and with the mail dispatcher I still only see my inbox and no other folder. When they started their IMAP server, they advised that it works with OL/OE and Netscape Mail (IIRC). They said support for other clients will follow shortly. I don't have that GMX Info any more, so I cannot look up the details. IMAP is IMAP and it should work in every Client. And as far as I understand Andreas he only asked why The Bat is not having a real IMAP functionality. What the Bat offers is a functionality that is like POP3 only that it uses the IMAP protocol for fetching mails. So, Andreas, you are right this is a problem found out not only by you. The developers of The Bat already are working hard to implement that feature in the new version (2.0). The first Beta-Versions where the new IMAP functinality is included should come out in the next days. So wait for a while - and soon you will be able to handle your GMX account by IMAP with The Bat. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hello ravi, on Sunday, July 27, 2003, 2:51:26 AM, ravi wrote: Nope, not yet. Look out for version 2 though. It's supposed to have proper IMAP support. Correct. The developers already confirmed that and announced that in the next days the new Beta-Version with the full IMAP functionality should come out. When the Beta-Test is finished then a new release (2.0) comes out. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hi Martin, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, at 11:10:12 [GMT +0200] (which was 19:10 where I live) you wrote: Correct. The developers already confirmed that and announced that in the next days the new Beta-Version with the full IMAP functionality should come out. When the Beta-Test is finished then a new release (2.0) comes out. Will version 2.0 have news group reading capabilities as well? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 43rd Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr... Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP?
Hello, sorry if this has been asked before: I discovered that my mail provider GMX provides IMAP4 access too. I have configured a new account with setting imap.gmx.de for incoming mail. But ... where's the difference to pop3? The Bat still downloads all my mail, and with the mail dispatcher I still only see my inbox and no other folder. For comparison I also set up my IMAP account with OE6, and it let me download a list of folders, all of whom I can now access without downloading my mails. I guess the Bat still does not fully support the IMAP protocol. Or did I miss something important? The help file is no big help in this. Take care, Andreas -- My homepage: www.andreas-schwartmann.de | ICQ#: 23060752 PGP 8.0 key: www.andreas-schwartmann.de/pgpring.asc - Mailed with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 - You can hide `neath your covers and study your pain Make crosses from your lovers, throw roses in the rain. - B. Springsteen Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hello John, on Sunday, July 27, 2003, 11:41:43 AM, John Phillips wrote: Correct. The developers already confirmed that and announced that in the next days the new Beta-Version with the full IMAP functionality should come out. When the Beta-Test is finished then a new release (2.0) comes out. Will version 2.0 have news group reading capabilities as well? Well, I didn't read nothing about that in the upcoming release. In the past they once told that they plan that. But more important was the IMAP support for them (and in my eyes for everyone). I personally would also like if a Newsreader function would be included - even I found a quite good newsreader (which is free): 40tude Dialog. But of course, when The Bat offers the Newsreader functionality, then I immedialtely will use The Bat for that. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hello Martin, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:09:09 +0200 GMT (27/07/03, 16:09 +0700 GMT), Martin Schneider wrote: When they started their IMAP server, they advised that it works with OL/OE and Netscape Mail (IIRC). They said support for other clients will follow shortly. I don't have that GMX Info any more, so I cannot look up the details. IMAP is IMAP and it should work in every Client. Should. I searched again, but that mail is definitely not in my message base any more. And as far as I understand Andreas he only asked why The Bat is not having a real IMAP functionality. I just saw that he can use IMAP on GMX with OE (as advertised by GMX), but does it also work with other clients? Why did they mention a few clients and said IMAP functionality for others will be implemented soon? I didn't get it at the time, but maybe you can shed some light. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If life deals you lemons, make lemonade; if it deals you tomatoes, make Bloody Marys. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP?
Hello, The Bat User Mailing List, on Sun, 27 Jul 2003 at 17:56:43 GMT +0700 (which was 27.07.2003, 12:56 where I live) you wrote the following lines regarding IMAP?: TF Hello Martin, TF On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:09:09 +0200 GMT (27/07/03, 16:09 +0700 GMT), TF Martin Schneider wrote: And as far as I understand Andreas he only asked why The Bat is not having a real IMAP functionality. TF I just saw that he can use IMAP on GMX with OE (as advertised by GMX), Yep, and I cannot use it with the Bat. Sorry for double posting, but my GMX spam filter must have rejected my list mail since friday. I changed my list subscribtion to another address now. I have not received any answer on my initial posting, but I take it that The Bat has not yet fully implemented complete IMAP functionality, right? Take care, Andreas -- My homepage: www.andreas-schwartmann.de | ICQ#: 23060752 PGP 8.0 key: www.andreas-schwartmann.de/pgpring.asc - Mailed with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 - Well, the moral of the story, the moral of this song, Is simply that one should never be where one does not belong. So when you see your neighbor carryin' somethin', help him with his load. And don't go mistaking Paradise for that home across the road. - Dylan Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: QT woes
Good afternoon Thomas, It was foretold that on 27-7-2003 @ 11:15:53 GMT+0700 (which was 6:15:53 where I live) Thomas Fernandez would mumble: snipped a bit TF Hello Luc, TF On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 05:03:16 +0200 GMT (27/07/03, 10:03 +0700 GMT), TF Luc wrote: TF Is it in the same account as the template, or is it a sharted QT? It's in the same account. TF Well, rename it again and then use the renamed handle. Just because TF there could be an invisible character in there. Done that. No success -:( -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. My mother used to say: the older you get, the better you get -unless you're a banana. - Rose, The Golden Girls. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hello Andreas, on Sunday, July 27, 2003, 1:13:53 PM, Andreas Schwartmann wrote: Yep, and I cannot use it with the Bat. Hmmm, that is strange. Sorry for double posting, but my GMX spam filter must have rejected my list mail since friday. I forwarded you all the mails to your name-account. I changed my list subscribtion to another address now. I have not received any answer on my initial posting, but I take it that The Bat has not yet fully implemented complete IMAP functionality, right? Yes, that is correct. But soon it will also have that function. Anyway you should be able to retrieve the mails with IMAP of The Bat in the moment. The difference is only that with The Bat in the moment you can't move mails on the server in another folder - or things like that which are basic IMAP features. But reciving mails should work anyway, if GMX uses standard IMAP. Or do they only offer SSL-IMAP? Then it could be a reason why it is not working. I didn't put so much attention to the GMX-IMAP yet (because it only is offered in the most expensive version of that account. And I have a very good account where my mails are forwarded to). So if IMAP with GMX is not working with The Bat, then the reason (in my eyes) is a different encryptet authentification or a encryptet data transfer (SSL). -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat Help file
Hello Thomas, On Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 2:33:01 AM you [TF] wrote (at least in part): GS Anyway my point is not to single your comment out, but to raise an issue GS with regard to the help file. If certain language versions of the help GS file are better than others, than are some of the negative comments in GS the past about the help file due to the language conversion, or what? I guess you're right with this assumption. At least the German help file Dieter Hummel maintained I never heard any negative comments about. TF CMIIW but Dieter didn't translate the English help file but wrote a TF new one. Correct. I never said he 'translated', I said he 'maintained' it :-) TF So this is not about language conversion. A long time ago, someone TF suggested to translate the German help file into English. ;-) Not necessarily a bad idea, IMHO :-) TF However, this would have to be discussed with Dieter first, for TF copyright issues. Correct :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1) Sometimes a man will tell his bartender things he'll never tell his doctor. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP?
Hello, Martin, on Sun, 27 Jul 2003 at 13:55:38 GMT +0200 (which was 27.07.2003, 13:55 where I live) you wrote the following lines regarding IMAP?: MS Hello Andreas, MS on Sunday, July 27, 2003, 1:13:53 PM, Andreas Schwartmann wrote: Yep, and I cannot use it with the Bat. MS Hmmm, that is strange. Sorry, ich habe mich mißverständlich ausgedrückt ... My message was formulated a bit confusing: MS Anyway you should be able to retrieve the mails with IMAP of The Bat MS in the moment. The difference is only that with The Bat in the moment MS you can't move mails on the server in another folder - or things like MS that which are basic IMAP features. That's what I meant to say. It works, but not in the intended way (accessing online folders, moving messages between folders on the server), but only in the good old fashioned download'em way. Take care, Andreas -- My homepage: www.andreas-schwartmann.de | ICQ#: 23060752 PGP 8.0 key: www.andreas-schwartmann.de/pgpring.asc - Mailed with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 - Happily, Europe and Japan have remained mostly impervious to this dumbing down thing that engulfs the states. Audiences there are better informed, more enthusiastic and maybe most exciting of all, younger than ever before. - Pat Metheny Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Where do dupes come from?
Hello: I was just wondering, what causes dupes? Coming from Eudora, I never had to deal with them before. And when TB encounters the same message twice but in different folders, for example, how does it know which one to remove? TIA, -dZ. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Hello all, Sunday, July 27, 2003, DZ-Jay wrote: I was just wondering, what causes dupes? Coming from Eudora, I never had to deal with them before. And when TB encounters the same message twice but in different folders, for example, how does it know which one to remove? duplicates are removed in folders only, no between folders, so if is the same message included in to folders, no of them will be removed. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi John, JP Will version 2.0 have news group reading capabilities as well? Not in version 2.0. However, because of similar nature of mechanisms used for IMAP support, adding news reading capability should not take much effort. It all depends on the priorities we are going to set when the 2.0 release comes out... :-) - -- All the Best! Stefan ...I am not afraid of tomorrow, for I have seen yesterday and I love today. - William Allen White, American journalist (1868-1944) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQIVAwUBPyPdlBdVrmjoEBv9AQHyFw//SS5S+pLESe3U26DrdKKrGr+cZaH3xe8H LJfN7cnLjSkwAWEg3mx8ooXFExeQZT+nu/G20MmEL92zvn3pGNWpWLxilWf5Yk60 ewgq/9ldxG0rZtnEFxhUFA93rljuHbrqsaVKSg1G8APVFNckuAH2EOooyu32qYz7 u26Dq6PM+4LE3zEhtz/NkEVJmAm5dXG3yPSN+zptp0h0dE9FiIW63PsC4g1Nl8ot zhEh3us57V/39+ewRmdQGDhO+jC0tQ9kaS5rOYf3Z8h4GUDCXw/7N0zbTtU8tPhh og01R6/+NpbQYKhFKgN6u3SzxRFppsGBajqhjXxqzUZkeP2oPn64NFwPzw1N7FDR oOHael6HTRaGSsBXlOAwPjy2AVI8iYR4DmKpSSFxCFJkbMwCVpfxdGIoRyf0cnFe 2RV0PJrIHML/0Nc51eZdU2YrvlLxplcaJw//YaKHeKxmlHcujlYnBYGIgmsvotTG 5F6LVuVc2B7ixo22hUHBnivgqGHhRX+/CvC1caHLLnf0hWgPq2JhbtZUhIyW/EI8 EoFe3JmB5ndgbspKx2v7t/6ZmV9FcvZQRf8uwyJWyiQgyjPYYxZA6unEzqjAkN6P xdGVoa8zcdJ6DEWjy9bFf01TewxPshg5dJhjbOR9SZAWzUunk17R1cqJugsbo7Zb 8A3EsZkxW6U= =ClOP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: IMAP?
Hello all, Sunday, July 27, 2003, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: JP Will version 2.0 have news group reading capabilities as well? Not in version 2.0. However, because of similar nature of mechanisms used for IMAP support, adding news reading capability should not take much effort. It all depends on the priorities we are going to set when the 2.0 release comes out... :-) what about public voting about new priorities? :-) BTW Stef, what You think about cuting text after - -- PGP-changed signature delimiter? -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Coloring in the message list
On Sunday, July 27, 2003, 1:58:15 AM, you wrote: A 27-Jul-2003 08:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first filter in your Incoming list could be a new filter, which uses Inbox as both source and target folders (so the messages is not being moved). A This works for new messages, but could it be done for existing messages A that are in different folders? Hi Alexander, Yes, I tried just that and it works, you just need to refilter from the folder menu, with the folder you want to refilter selected. Best regards Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Coloring in the message list
On Sunday, July 27, 2003, 1:39:50 AM, you wrote: TF Filtering does not necessarily mean moving. So, the Sorting Office TF and New Filter are the right places to go. You were almost there. Hi Thomas, Thanks, I eventually figured that Moving from inbox to inbox, redundant as it may seem, works fine. I got it working. Thanks again and best regards Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Some time around 7/27/2003 10:02:40, I think I heard Marek Mikus say: duplicates are removed in folders only, no between folders, so if is the same message included in to folders, no of them will be removed. Oh, that's good to know. But still, can you tell me *how* they happen? TIA dZ. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Marek, @27-Jul-2003, 16:27 +0200 (15:27 UK time) Marek Mikus [MM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MM what about public voting about new priorities? :-) MM BTW Stef, what You think about cuting text after - -- MM PGP-changed signature delimiter? Actually, there's no problem with '- -- '. It cuts just fine. The problem is with the '- --' (no space) that comes from using plug ins instead of tray tools to sign. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPyPnhjnkJKuSnc2gEQLxYQCfUfNNMnucX/7WRgGm0DpG2x1h4T8AoMeW lETnu77AluwHC0mtTSO+sKOM =cvoJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Oh, that's good to know. But still, can you tell me *how* they happen? Look up the headers - messages with equal Message-IDs are duplicates. / St Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Some time around 7/27/2003 11:05:37, I think I heard St - Musaic.Net say: Oh, that's good to know. But still, can you tell me *how* they happen? Look up the headers - messages with equal Message-IDs are duplicates. Aww come on. I know what a duplicate is. What I want to know is *how* the come into existence. I used Eudora for many years and have never had to deal with dupes. I'm also using Opera's M2 and have used other mail clients, so please forgive me, but I don't understand what causes dupes to exist in TB and not in other mail programs. dZ. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Where do dupes come from?
Hello DZ-Jay, Sunday, July 27, 2003, 11:13:53 AM, you wrote: Oh, that's good to know. But still, can you tell me *how* they happen? A very uneducated guess, but I've seen dups come into existance when, for whatever reason, TB can't finish receiving mail from the mail server. In this case, it redownloads messages again during the next check. Certainly that doesn't happen often, but when it does, dups seem to result. Also, when I migrated from OUtlook to TB, I wound up with a ton of dups -- presumably OUtlook hadn't deleted messages off the mail server properly. THe only other way I can think this might re-occur is if the original sender resent a message? Just a thought, Steve Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP?
Hello Thomas, Sunday, July 27, 2003, 6:56:43 AM, you wrote: TF I just saw that he can use IMAP on GMX with OE (as advertised by GMX), TF but does it also work with other clients? Why did they mention a few TF clients and said IMAP functionality for others will be implemented TF soon? Imap must be difficult to implement -- the Depart of Education within the state of Maine uses an Email server/client called First Class and Imap functionality there doesn't work well either. I had asked the developers about this and they claimbed that there are inconsistancies within the Imap protocol therefore making it difficult to implement. I found this a bit hard to believe, but in truth, most mail clients seemed to have gone through a difficult time when attempting to incorporate Imap functionality. I also want to comment that the problem is not specific to GMX -- I'm running a Linux mail server here with Imap access and am getting the same results as the original poster. Guess we'll just havg on for version 2. Steve Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
27-Jul-2003 17:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used Eudora for many years and have never had to deal with dupes. I'm also using Opera's M2 and have used other mail clients, so please forgive me, but I don't understand what causes dupes to exist in TB and not in other mail programs. Do you know why you haven't had any dupes in these programs? Maybe you should look how these programs handle dupes? And has it come to you that maybe these programs delete dupes automatically, without you interfering (or rather, ever knowing)? Dupes itself are not a TB problem (well, most of the time), but rather how TB handles them. What I mean is - I've been using AK-Mail before I migrated to TB. I've never seen any dupes back then, either. Why? AK-Mail handled dupes itself (it kept a log of the last downloaded messages' ID and identified dupes automatically this way). Though it would be nice to have auto-dupechecking in TB too, of course. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: IMAP?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Marek, MM what about public voting about new priorities? :-) It is a long-time-ago-planned facility. :-) We will make it possible to vote for certain features soon, but there are things we cannot afford to let them to be decided for us, if you know what I mean :-) MM BTW Stef, what You think about cuting text after - -- PGP-changed MM signature delimiter? Well, I guess we should deal with this. As Marck mentioned, there is no problem with - -- , and now... there is no problem with the - -- delimiter anymore :-) - -- Cheers, Stefan ...Shell to DOS... Come in DOS, do you copy? Shell to DOS... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQIVAwUBPyPyNhdVrmjoEBv9AQERAw/+I+Em83v57rJkBuyLuHQlavfhNuAlzUEW VO2krKdijrEo9dkZfvuYGvKGrFKw9GpttTKLfaUzko1hgdOIlcWayqmF6ZooXW+0 7B1LxA68NpEWZ68wtxtvOh9O4eAmdreY1aQ2WK2xtM66c2bPaT9BmYuhRV3SRa2Y kOaG50Wj/Y4Wg4vkQTf30exKJDl+kYesrZXFmdObyx/cIOm/dXemWIWCF51CgXll 3e02irvWoUnDpHSj0T2d998PB5SP4Dvamyw7PM21Ef7r3QJIP3AjIEtPHi158C+3 UGHKsnCseicqTK5LmGzZHAx/PDzzoiSRhuJiFXYM2GiA97kjB8AGEhNXyhl6du6t vH33VRRKOVUTIQ4etJl48vg6HeRWA8I6UYBnSwcByvwymZwvx3xoFdCHDXOZORNV Gn1DwXHG82dgVmlWz3hgme8tPG8iQnlS7uFPdNj+uJdU0ke9RTskoqIwcw3Qi4O0 98HQUzX3HPF+BsmOuzXt9Qg72jdw7R8ERzrAZB3AeNWLbXDVRz1JLDYfV7DNV7TK QmiiK6xnEgY6LNXVdTIE9jxXrgDMpkd7krD4Hcloo/1J4u+HiMOe+4L/qlgWAPTK btaN7FQZVe79tIyxW+GSMWCPTQK2VZZuyTheGK5eRxnIE3QR7ToM71FYDFwPvzKw q6FUVDm/XmI= =PDab -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
27-Jul-2003 17:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had asked the developers about this and they claimbed that there are inconsistancies within the Imap protocol I believe its rather an inconsistency in the IMAP servers... I think we all can VERY WELL imagine that - for example - m$ has a certain interest in which client software will be able to use IMAP with or server software (I mean Exchange) ...remembering how m$ behaved like a hord of vandals (m$ is to business ethics what food is to airlines, if you get me) it wouldn't surprise me if they already had made a little influence here and there so that big public mail providers will support O/OE first... ...ouch... too many twisted little conspiracy theories... sorry... ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The Party Law: The more food you prepare, the less your guests will eat. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Can I copy views?
Hello Stefan, Saturday, July 26, 2003, 7:25:50 PM, you wrote: ST You can set a folder to use account's default column settings. If you ST change column layout/sorting of any folder with such setting, default ST column settings will change accordingly... Problem is that I don't want to change the view of my Inbox folder i.e. I don't want my inbox threaded like I do my list folders. Can I have a default account view and somehow exempt the inbox folder from it? Steve Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Some time around 7/27/2003 11:34:25, I think I heard Alexander say: Do you know why you haven't had any dupes in these programs? Maybe you should look how these programs handle dupes? And has it come to you that maybe these programs delete dupes automatically, without you interfering (or rather, ever knowing)? Dupes itself are not a TB problem (well, most of the time), but rather how TB handles them. Thank you for your comment. I never implied that dupes is a TB problem, nor any type of problem at all. I was merely curious as to why they should happen. What I mean is - I've been using AK-Mail before I migrated to TB. I've never seen any dupes back then, either. Why? AK-Mail handled dupes itself (it kept a log of the last downloaded messages' ID and identified dupes automatically this way). Though it would be nice to have auto-dupechecking in TB too, of course. I see. By your brief explanation I can assume that dupes occur when TB downloads the same message from the server more than once, is this accurate? If it is, then *thank you*, that's all I wanted to know. If this is the case, then I agree with you that TB should have an automatic mechanism to handle dupes. Most mail clients keep track of all UIDL (or Message-IDs) of the messages downloaded and use this to avoid re-downloading, and still offer some advance mechanism to allow this messages to be downloaded in the special case the user wants them to (i.e. Download *all* messages on server, as opposed to *new* messages). Why TB does not have this already surprises me, being the best mail client I've used so far and so feature rich. Thanx, -dZ. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Some time around 7/27/2003 11:22:42, I think I heard Steve M. Sawczyn say: Hello DZ-Jay, Sunday, July 27, 2003, 11:13:53 AM, you wrote: Oh, that's good to know. But still, can you tell me *how* they happen? A very uneducated guess, but I've seen dups come into existance when, for whatever reason, TB can't finish receiving mail from the mail server. In this case, it redownloads messages again during the next check. Certainly that doesn't happen often, but when it does, dups seem to result. Also, when I migrated from OUtlook to TB, I wound up with a ton of dups -- presumably OUtlook hadn't deleted messages off the mail server properly. Thanks. Then may I suggest as a new feature that TB keep a list of UIDLs of messages downloaded to avoid this situation, as other less-advanced mail clients do. THe only other way I can think this might re-occur is if the original sender resent a message? Does this actually happen and count as a dupe? I mean, my guess would be that if the original sender resent the message, both messages would have different server-arrival dates and different (unique) Message-IDs. dZ. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: help selecting multiple recipients
Hello Krister, Saturday, July 26, 2003, 8:01:17 AM, you wrote: KE And i'll have to correct myself. In an earlier message, i said that KE hitting the spacebar in the address picker didn't work for me either, KE after investigating this again, i found that for me using Hal 5.20 as KE my screen reader, the address picker works as it's supposed to do. For reasons probably unknown to anyone, I can get the address picker working fine if I enter it with shft-enter. When I click the icon, things don't work. Very odd as, either way, I seem to be getting to the same address picker screen. I still can't get the buttons to read, but that's something I should be able to fix relatively easy with the use of labeling in the screen reader. Thanks again to everyone who helped me resolve this issue. Steve Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
I see. By your brief explanation I can assume that dupes occur when TB downloads the same message from the server more than once, is this accurate? If it is, then *thank you*, that's all I wanted to know. Another way dupes frequently occur with me is when people send the same message to several of my addresses. They do this sometimes because they don't know which I actively check. When all the messages are downloaded and filtered - the dupes are there and can be killed. I prefer to do this myself rather than have a client decide which dupe to kill. What if I want to verify that both my accounts receive the same msg properly? -- Ravi (http://shell-shocked.org) I think, therefore I am ... I think.. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I copy views?
Hello Steve, Problem is that I don't want to change the view of my Inbox folder i.e. I don't want my inbox threaded like I do my list folders. Can I have a default account view and somehow exempt the inbox folder from it? Yes. In the Account/Folder pane select the Inbox folder. With the inbox selected hit Alt+Enter to view the properties of the Inbox folder. Alternatively you can use the mouse to select the Inbox folder, then right mouse click and select properties. Once you are in the Edit folder properties un-select Use the account default column settings. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hello Steve, on Sunday, July 27, 2003, 5:30:54 PM, Steve M. Sawczyn wrote: Imap must be difficult to implement -- the Depart of Education within the state of Maine uses an Email server/client called First Class and Imap functionality there doesn't work well either. I had asked the developers about this and they claimbed that there are inconsistancies within the Imap protocol therefore making it difficult to implement. I found this a bit hard to believe, but in truth, most mail clients seemed to have gone through a difficult time when attempting to incorporate Imap functionality. Well, it can be that there are some things that are not defined clearly. However there exist enough very well working IMAP clients that are even freeware / OpenSource. One of the well working IMAP client is KMail and the other is Mozilla-Mail. IMAP is a standard protocoll where maybe some details are not defined so precisely. But at least the standard unix IMAP servers should be supported by The Bat. I guess that these are the one that are mostly in usage. I also know that e.g. Exchange 2000 is not answering everything correctly when you access by IMAP. E.g. IMAPassassin (a spam filter who finds spam on the server and can move the messages in a specicif folder) can't move the mail to a specific folder when using Exchange 2000. It copies it in that folder but is unable to delete the mail. So you have a as read marked mail still in the inbox... This could be one of the situations where the IMAp protocoll is misused (by Microsoft). I also want to comment that the problem is not specific to GMX -- I'm running a Linux mail server here with Imap access and am getting the same results as the original poster. Guess we'll just havg on for version 2. Yes, and it is quite near. The Developers already use Version 2.0 alpha 1 in their latest mails... :) -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hello Alexander, on Sunday, July 27, 2003, 5:48:50 PM, Alexander wrote: it wouldn't surprise me if they already had made a little influence here and there so that big public mail providers will support O/OE first... When they offer IMAP they support every IMAP client. If you use Mozilla, KMail or Outlook Express is not a difference for the provider. Important for them is only that their IMAP server is a satndard one and can be used by standard clients. And Outlook Express keeps the standard (as well as Mozilla and KMail (and hopefully soon The Bat)). :) -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dz-Jay, [DJ] wrote: DJ If this is the case, then I agree with you that TB should have an DJ automatic mechanism to handle dupes. Most mail clients keep track of DJ all UIDL (or Message-IDs) of the messages downloaded and use this to DJ avoid re-downloading, and still offer some advance mechanism to DJ allow this messages to be downloaded in the special case the user DJ wants them to (i.e. Download *all* messages on server, as opposed to DJ *new* messages). Why TB does not have this already surprises me, TB! does have this feature or else using the Account option to leave messages on the server would be quite chaotic. If a POP session ends unexpectedly, then TB! will be able to correctly tell which mail was previously downloaded and will, at the next POP session, work as if the mail downloaded during the previously interrupted POP session hadn't been downloaded. - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBPyP+P1fJ62ArBxfiEQK3cQCgxPK6aIYuGVKWwgwWSi9fj4NuMxkAoKOR Cr1AA8kfXSO7uCbz3XBVkFTm =EgrO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dz-Jay, [DJ] wrote: DJ Thanks. Then may I suggest as a new feature that TB keep a list of DJ UIDLs of messages downloaded to avoid this situation, as other DJ less-advanced mail clients do. TB! already does this. However, if the POP session is suddenly disrupted before this is done, then it's not. - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBPyP+qlfJ62ArBxfiEQLxlwCfTLIdkvzc1OQ9AYhnlrbuT/NbHSQAoM1T ql4TkPz7Gi95KbfxkSw7ejwW =4HJu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hello Steve, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:30:54 -0400 GMT (27/07/03, 22:30 +0700 GMT), Steve M. Sawczyn wrote: Imap must be difficult to implement -- the Depart of Education within the state of Maine uses an Email server/client called First Class and Imap functionality there doesn't work well either. I used to be on FirstClass conferences (mailing lists). They had their own protocol, not related to POP or IMAP. Have they evolved? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ist der Chef da? - Dumme Frage! Wuerden wir dann hier sitzen und Karten spielen? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: QT woes
Hello Luc, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:24:55 +0200 GMT (27/07/03, 18:24 +0700 GMT), Luc wrote: Done that. No success -:( I'm out of my wits. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons. -- Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949 Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hello Stefan, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:39:33 -0400 GMT (27/07/03, 22:39 +0700 GMT), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: Well, I guess we should deal with this. As Marck mentioned, there is no problem with - -- , and now... there is no problem with the - -- delimiter anymore :-) Good! :-) But one question remains: why do the plug-in and the tray behave differently? ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ich bin ferner mit meinen Nerven am Ende und habe mit einer schweren Kastritis zu tun. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Allie Martin, [AM] wrote: AM If a POP session ends unexpectedly, then TB! will be able to ^^^ that should have be 'TB! will not be able' AM correctly tell which mail was previously downloaded and will - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBPyQAyVfJ62ArBxfiEQK9CwCg9KNsI0BiTGgFnVSczE/2grKu4EAAoPKV zd/gMqfOWazX1QIBXtXIcYTr =wJDQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Hello Allie, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:32:41 -0500 GMT (27/07/03, 23:32 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: DJ Thanks. Then may I suggest as a new feature that TB keep a list of DJ UIDLs of messages downloaded to avoid this situation, as other DJ less-advanced mail clients do. TB! already does this. However, if the POP session is suddenly disrupted before this is done, then it's not. TB will re-download already downloaded messages, if the connection is broken *and* have have set Delete messages on server. If you set Leave message on server for 1 day (or longer), those messages don't get downloaded again. I used to leave messages on server for this very reason when I had an unstable connection. So I think TB should also keep the UIDs of message that have already been downloaded if you set Delete from server. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The only person getting his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Hello DZ-Jay, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:57:14 -0400 GMT (27/07/03, 22:57 +0700 GMT), DZ-Jay wrote: THe only other way I can think this might re-occur is if the original sender resent a message? Does this actually happen and count as a dupe? I mean, my guess would be that if the original sender resent the message, both messages would have different server-arrival dates and different (unique) Message-IDs. TB counts messages as dupes when both the Message-ID *and* the time stamp are the same. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If you don't like the news, go out and make some. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Where do dupes come from?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Good [morning|afternoon|day|evening|night] DZ-Jay, DJ I see. By your brief explanation I can assume that dupes occur DJ when TB downloads the same message from the server more than once, DJ is this accurate? That *happened* in versions prior to 1.63 Beta and only when messages should be deleted from the server right after downloading them (UIDs were not downloaded in that case). The logic is changed now. But this won't save you from receiving dupes because they appear due to numerous reasons, the most frequent was already mentioned - when people send copies of a message to different instances of yours :-) Another frequent reason is badly configured mail servers. - -- Read you later Stefan ...Every thing in this world is an idea acted on. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQIVAwUBPyQEvhdVrmjoEBv9AQHBoQ/9ED2bCk1ML+GDmEDB9nX8Y19E0lwTOwlC AFQsD+8O50W117rdMWXiuTT3GHWYAC1bSjGfx2oRv6iaG+fzQEpqKduT7l75Xd8o iMBrYCKvPe3rmL09pVBnoShpIbr1U3GeT3LrZClI+nx3CYzI1u7OVZ9+1C4ikOeT 4bvGaykdBEvpxfeq8MLM9d41gmLitmJkj1GliH6Eqn+eLRLFt3RB4n4qxuQyOvTh WhYSxiMlSu1HIb2KqoKEaMKo+cwb5gHCfp1WBihzAFIvCJ3OvJ0OUv88YuF+7XCr gUxA8TOTKK0F959m5yCJiE0fArmTfnMT6bloiwKBHtFzCCY8M2PtO/4VMZW1ODKk tfDN5zHTsAhexA8h2oumAaOTRKUh02eszdKtnje1sWP35fyPclatvcD83hcgcR1P ++67wtdYQWBIbcPqZcVhxgFyv86YYcmzu18+iV3TdT8gRljppXlTF2lep4j418MG OJc8s81od3lvcSzIsTvHe/psAFq8443R07L8cZzjlSAy22Xls4YRs/2dVSwXhUA9 tXEiAhWTVxXYyR2TjnEkcSfMWuVt+vCOks1LbnHpcNe4HX7TXihMy/znwfQMTtTR AiQmqdS15RmAtnlIH32MYth8QT/V0wU2hbdzA3oYhLvoaA2XmK/9TPPkfvzDh2J+ Ez6ZziR0qV0= =8ByS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Where do dupes come from?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello DZ-Jay, DJ Thanks. Then may I suggest as a new feature that TB keep a list of DJ UIDLs of messages downloaded to avoid this situation, as other DJ less-advanced mail clients do. TB! already keeps UIDs of downloaded messages but only when you keep them on the server for a certain period. It was always recommended to use this way because it is safe and gives more flexibility. - -- Sincerely, Stefan ...Pi R squared. Nooo! Pie R round, cornbread R square! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQIVAwUBPyQFOxdVrmjoEBv9AQHt4w//WXR2MdPSuiKAFQUC4v1CszkXkL6EGqAg 7VcPdqlEiVS+IWJrhJsTro1TXe7irmgncu5JSW0S3YhkX23UjXyIemrk3qcleTe2 xmzcUCyLZXUqyCahQJdICaqJ/RT9B4JV6Et0UcLC7u3vKgGpXlj/GsgF8YZdBJJk SnwEzt46dvQ+pONLw1pK4Ytzb95falhfKPIlg9i6MZBDFkZrkJYnRGjAQFDkpG1d mwuD8AI2Ov8fAX44oryhvYPMIhBwtMOTeciu2SfktEsktKODsItkK533QMtoM7/n PDGNesup/y+ZfVWMeS1LPG06NPzlCkrXlwyvzdyqnHVcK/nlpMJgrts5WrHl0MUQ OmshpQzos8874TlHxFOisYvuTQ5/vPEFgHPNrZI46qnlv1pw2E/usOFt1doo4JKa P9NUpF20+NQIBMmJNXMTFcSLF4qKPuXFj8hKNf5ypWUUHD+jAb/n9eTxfqnL+ox0 UpniFQTQAvzsvF8RCjIs2OsoXxguskIfG0hgBDPGcngw5QYP58BiFK2XgfSsv89O KcNVDCn0zYVpyF/tGMM2PkRkrOFajWBGlCZp2zrSUKKuuJZ16zCczeezF2V0tcEi SsaXzMQprONNrtsP3kWD8aKuK6N4laFyUyYfma9pWkcFK2Xvu5OYaszsqkKhOnM3 E84eUWJoV+w= =tWZ0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Hello Stefan, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:00:42 -0400 GMT (28/07/03, 00:00 +0700 GMT), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: TB! already keeps UIDs of downloaded messages but only when you keep them on the server for a certain period. It was always recommended to use this way because it is safe and gives more flexibility. Sorry, I don't understand this. If I have an unstable connection, and certain mails were downloaded successfully, why do I have to download them again if I don't want to keep them on the server? I understand that they will be deleted only if the session terminates with a QUIT command, but why do I need to leave them on the server in order to not re-download them again when the connection is instable? I mean, if someone is in the jungle in Africa and downloads mail with an instable and slow and expensive mobile phone connection, and he has a small mailbox (I'm not making this up, this is a real case), why does he have to re-download all those already received messages again? I suggested to the user to leave the messages on the server for one day so he doesn't receive all those dupes, but I don't understand your logic. I suggest the UIDs also be kept if Delete from server is chosen. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ist der Chef da? - Dumme Frage! Wuerden wir dann hier sitzen und Karten spielen? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Some time around 7/27/2003 12:11:08, I think I heard ravi say: When all the messages are downloaded and filtered - the dupes are there and can be killed. I prefer to do this myself rather than have a client decide which dupe to kill. What if I want to verify that both my accounts receive the same msg properly? But wouldn't the messages have differing Message-ID and recipients, not to mention different server UIDLs? Why would they be treated by TB (or any other mail program for tha matter) as a dupe? I have had this situation before in other mail clients and the multiple messages would be treated as different messages, yet the client still does not download the same exact instance message more than once -- even if transfer was interrupted. In fact, this is on of the reasons *why* UIDLs are kept in other mail clients, so if a session fails to delete the messages from the server, they are not downloaded over and over again; a situation that is common in TB -- at least v 1.62r which is what I am using. dZ. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Some time around 7/27/2003 13:00:42, I think I heard Stefan Tanurkov say: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello DZ-Jay, DJ Thanks. Then may I suggest as a new feature that TB keep a list of DJ UIDLs of messages downloaded to avoid this situation, as other DJ less-advanced mail clients do. TB! already keeps UIDs of downloaded messages but only when you keep them on the server for a certain period. It was always recommended to use this way because it is safe and gives more flexibility. Stefan, Thanx for your explanation. This method might be more flexible, and I can trully appreciate its use, but IMHO is a nuisance when the POP3 session is interrupted, which, at least to me, happens quite often. Couldn't there be a happy medium by keeping UIDLs always and deleting them only if the messages where properly deleted from the server and the session had no errors -- which is, I think, the mechanism used by Eudora. dZ. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Hello Stefan, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:58:36 -0400 GMT (27/07/03, 23:58 +0700 GMT), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: That *happened* in versions prior to 1.63 Beta and only when messages should be deleted from the server right after downloading them (UIDs were not downloaded in that case). The logic is changed now. Oh! Scratch my previous message, and kudos to you! :-) BTW the previous message was sent, even though I parked it, but apparently, I didn't catch it in time. It is still marked parked/draft in my Outbox, as if it hadn't been sent. Confusing. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wanted: $10,000 reward. Schroedinger's Cat. Dead or Alive. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Some time around 7/27/2003 12:46:55, I think I heard Thomas Fernandez say: Hello Allie, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:32:41 -0500 GMT (27/07/03, 23:32 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: DJ Thanks. Then may I suggest as a new feature that TB keep a list of DJ UIDLs of messages downloaded to avoid this situation, as other DJ less-advanced mail clients do. TB will re-download already downloaded messages, if the connection is broken *and* have have set Delete messages on server. If you set Leave message on server for 1 day (or longer), those messages don't get downloaded again. I used to leave messages on server for this very reason when I had an unstable connection. And I believe that to do the need for this work-around shows that it could be improved in the program itself. So I think TB should also keep the UIDs of message that have already been downloaded if you set Delete from server. I agree. I further agree with Stefan that if messages have been deleted from the server then there is no need to keep their UIDLs, so the proper method would be to delete them *only* if the session was not interrupted and messages were in fact deleted properly. P.S Thanx to everyone who participated on this thread :) dZ. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Where do dupes come from?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Good [morning|afternoon|day|evening|night] DZ-Jay, DJ Thanx for your explanation. This method might be more DJ flexible, and I can trully appreciate its use, but IMHO is a nuisance DJ when the POP3 session is interrupted, which, at least to me, happens DJ quite often. IF YOU LEAVE MESSAGES ON THE SERVER, A MESSAGE WON'T BE DOWNLOADED FOR A SECOND TIME EVEN WHEN THE PREVIOUS SESSION FAILED TO FINISH CORRECTLY BECAUSE UIDs OF DOWNLOADED MESSAGES ARE STORED. I hope, big print would help to understand ;-))) - -- Best regards, Stefan ...You've got to hand it to the IRS. If not, they'll come and take it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQIVAwUBPyQTqBdVrmjoEBv9AQGt3Q/+M/VLIUp8BScdCEsSXXjNrpFZA5xUlg2l 3iR7DeWTMrzMzEiskpUmohtkwYSCz+V20/4LGG/o7gfa86oXjhTrRIU8St0hHRIe SDnyYI9hmx8qFPi/mS/PX1kKLhMHMv+C4UO0g4jZ2ZDYur4bfqNIMhqUkXNZpn7M P4vWR+u9bUZxUnNHHLlkpssTSwClH0jJnZH3SP5v3khNI6mywnpENFOxlYMbkdAq thxO+5xVrfMMpSVnFRW7ns4GPYwPm2SbG6ifzlNnz3RhP/GHQUkQYcEJfLmQ82K0 wPvegWiOeXxVxezD9NkK47TWeLVylm13BTSe1BUvEBZfiIBDOfPYtyWUzsfnfagX uXWudA2E936GR3oTJrOpQw/FsVcN7XjxtV47qQBntBYW+xepgfZrjmefjo9UzzqS RKNa8/1wXcc3Q42n0Lsg7WbqzBK10Beqo3QuBBHVSQj8J396tfybus7n/MZWxD02 kmS7Di44Nfqsc1/gQJLakwdHtlLAoOR4GkDmu+Q+ixY76jv5T8YktPrlWtVDO0vq 7Wyo8r+sxI8r9PQAB5wGzegqQj2sOaSPuWm/ujgEM9Ml0MVF+xAxkBhtm7kv5QKq aSPhgievkZsq/KhmyTdqgR8gt7Cp4nn1nmqlaU0Ywhf2IfyrgpQCGFN64WgsGCmC ZoGRjCZ5DrY= =1VNj -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Good [morning|afternoon|day|evening|night] Thomas, TF But one question remains: why do the plug-in and the tray behave TF differently? ;-) This is because the plug-in strips trailing spaces before signing accordingly to recommendations - because some MTAs/MUAs may strip then from the signed content making the signature invalid. When you do it using PGPTray, TB! does not know that you are pasting some secure material :-) Anyway, using PGP/MIME is recommended to avoid many problems (however, some other problems are expected, it's no surprise :-)) - -- Regards, Stefan ...Every heart that has beat strong and cheerfully has left a hopeful impulse behind it in the world, and bettered the tradition of mankind. - Robert Louis Stevenson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQIVAwUBPyQRnxdVrmjoEBv9AQFggQ/+MDfXq0zIG137efbbNWvGJrkNvP+i02wc mHdqchztQCTTvxSHjhrTyS4R2GnoOLWj4UE9qxokjDtqY0+apipHSUe8nBgM3HVl znbmXaZzBoROYRkxS2UKwnyXXTs+XrrAb1jAyT7BQnYbEV9UmvYWWniA/Co23LK3 I5TwIJFd7J8aOiermp6CDpTu0uPkN0Z9oab4BgOTseKZjCQZE74yCsLVCt4Yvcbp FDoLWo0mtdI+2yDGvsInMEK5OuEsh7CxA3Yy25LPSopODIdSFk3msexsyJWL7YyF rPfKvXdQl73sGr9+vNZx7huFF7v22VlYL6CHlGnVESLtHs2KKSeqPFGBHnQ+iak5 m55ivZNXnIA0FdXa4DTemi0bXsUwW3RTvEdhZBFXv2djEhnnSonCWlJ8dh3PTVOK VrppDGV0oNXi2DTaD7UddC9gSknOWIgtzX6Scitf5K4mqxc/OP1oABfLo4DK7HPf pYG70CatRJp86e+FTb/8USIP9w6pwNoII6O2yhzrHm/JwxTxPQs08Eh81zIJYrp5 qP7rXpsKenynlDuhus92eCTe0hYswovljscGtdRHxXv7QG1a/sTta3RDArEvoBgr Qiey9IxIEbRC1RpmdS6oj2mq4C3N4CqEqKxZfjYQmHFDk+j0all0gK4NCDaUzPCw 8vC9VqiqLdg= =EHet -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Where do dupes come from?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear DZ-Jay, DJ But wouldn't the messages have differing Message-ID and recipients, If CC was used - no, a single Meessage-ID is used and this is right because it is exactly the same message. DJ not to mention different server UIDLs? UIDs are different and that makes those messages different for a downloader, thus leads to producing dupes. :-) - -- Cheers, Stefan ...WindowsError:042 This virus requires Microsoft Windows. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQIVAwUBPyQS3xdVrmjoEBv9AQEziA/9FwSvhyVIfEEIXApgUMUaO13pW4C+MM/N aMeVsnT2BocZwmgLBG0lDFSMpV5FXUvBiivCDTtbKE/fOlnVgBYXUGLwYtrgDhvm tS2Yda1ueH7P4DS8gvrF+9mrDytvN/XxXcev5KOJPaDuEZYOMimK7Q+wb/a4OaFT 0JLiMV+scD5UCFPWgYUSxWqZ4LGyhmyo3xcdBACTZeGH2l761m49XZqLe5EddLjm G1Zw4B2BgjvOy4QpHQ8L2QsH51rpAjyJ7/ZVCT4mh5dspk7LtTzXbvvk6tJokNFO 0/TUTYw0xjkncgfJMz760S5698AUkJn7ah1460+8IsKdUUbp8qpaqw8+l8XdryMH UMIUr3rgyTqBE1Vj0lMay1ZZiOgkdzpZ5jul7F0YHMyQNiK9pirwPJbezvIx3IvR v1crcMwdjcFU1HPoF7PvjPGHn6hikvzMOySAiRRfxguV3/uPPEE8OiVXrQdx7hT0 ZnYPanT160XL+cbwBjo3uzPNCxg1+OGdbJB+jcJQVFs43Tcrokq9BC7MkTfeQ+83 F06JUv4sZAhfU74DqiiYK2WpcyNPhNIjJdHL8byOOhDUfuNAEaDzd2B44HwTbHM9 yVpLpj22LGb3BASbktKATGO4QRmOM3LuDsbxtpxNXpMX6pM6ziTbsSZauCGTyBSW q8XvjPI/dv4= =PLLS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Where do dupes come from?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello Thomas, TF So I think TB should also keep the UIDs of message that have already TF been downloaded if you set Delete from server. I do not remember when the behaviour was changed (because that was not added to the changelog), but I think it works this way even in the (old) Beta you have. - -- Best regards, Stefan ..Put knot yore trust inn spel chequers. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQIVAwUBPyQVJhdVrmjoEBv9AQH09Q/+JSMqhzdS09BPEdidRv7E4EM9lmUob9EZ KELXNjGj31ohjBCFysCiabnyfHVGLiunxnZfcKKn4V6tXKEHOVFJK4CROGnvNWuQ XpSXoHX7GlNWt6R3IQJjZI4SgkXxs9ycj7SfO9bJDGomhXvQKQ6V5sMUF7J18hVm 2FnBQqrMNH7qhsxlxZEnvI1oZsAo1bN/GpWyJCzGxFuxMVyzig0rW09vq3Bjlt4E bP892A250naiOC3Eo8j8twCTrP/8CZsjbGf050eVbRVqSJLIx2b7ri97SxyKN6dY YeQpbwuFVGwZnrJJ+xGURPoEKJritwcvWExYiheMh2/6Q3mVrs+KHh7s+aBEPTdL dNUh3fqmiCS1geJgowpM1o6vtTl5lZZr74QsegUF0HHsAO6SvuEeVBvECnKvh6iG L8EWdsy3sATH8TFM3QelWUDXiZ5NWskYQhCvbpo52mFQGZMrMvtRNlxpjyLssTb8 Y+ss1JBlwhi/c72Ie9iyLGmtI0ira0NWZbDOOINOqKsT7CnJ1L7CuW/tC2XHGNSF qZD+9ZkCoPTexOMqMCNtqxjUjqz/5S7HeT2oAceiFabsRCCDTRlWyaEGqku7UTnO RudZqzwKBEjkLfa84WYrVo965xUHB9g6LTWIvjy7fR+rD9ygxR/grSKdEW9Qs9oG p31Qz5E8H28= =33vf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: help selecting multiple recipients
On Sat 26-Jul-03 9:54pm -0400, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: BM How does one get to the address book picker from the keyboard? I've BM looked around and don't see a way. Press the Enter when you are in the address field and the field is empty. When the field is not empty, press Shift Enter (it's working in either case, actually). Thanks, Stefan, the Enter works great in both 1.62r and the Beta/11. I'm sorry I missed this in my search of the shortcuts. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filters don't work
Hello tbudl, All my filters ceased to work. Strange enough the only filters that are still working are the TB's lists filters.. I removed the rest of the filters and made them again (made some new ones too) in my 4 accounts. Tried sender, kludges etc. Without result. Nothing filters anymore. This week I intend a new install of TB after making a backup. Or is there something else I can still try? -- Best regards, Jos Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
All my subfolders have vanished!
I've been using The Bat with very few problems for years now and then today my machine crashed. When I restarted it all the subfolders have vanished. They're still in the directory structure on my hard drive and have the appropriate files in them they just don't show up at all in The Bat. For example under Inbox I had folders for various categories and I can't see them at all now. I've reinstalled The Bat, but no joy. I do have a backup from last Monday, but am loath to restore it as I'd then lose all the e-mails I have received and dealt with over the past week. Any help would be MASSIVELY appreciated. Thanks Paul Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters don't work
On Sun 27-Jul-03 3:29pm -0400, Jos Klaassens wrote: All my filters ceased to work. Strange enough the only filters that are still working are the TB's lists filters.. I removed the rest of the filters and made them again (made some new ones too) in my 4 accounts. Tried sender, kludges etc. Without result. Nothing filters anymore. This week I intend a new install of TB after making a backup. Or is there something else I can still try? How about an example of a filter that doesn't work along with the appropriate fields of an email that it didn't work on. BTW, make sure you test it at the top of the list of filters so you are sure other filters are not causing the problem filter to not be reached. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All my subfolders have vanished!
On Sun 27-Jul-03 3:57pm -0400, Paul Smithson wrote: I've been using The Bat with very few problems for years now and then today my machine crashed. When I restarted it all the subfolders have vanished. They're still in the directory structure on my hard drive and have the appropriate files in them they just don't show up at all in The Bat. Did you try The Bat!'s famous 4 finger salute? Shift-Ctrl-Alt-L -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters don't work
Hello Bill, Sunday, July 27, 2003, 10:00:15 PM, you wrote: BM How about an example of a filter that doesn't work along with the BM appropriate fields of an email that it didn't work on. BTW, make sure BM you test it at the top of the list of filters so you are sure other BM filters are not causing the problem filter to not be reached. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mxzilla4.xs4all.nl (mxzilla4.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.48]) by maildrop8.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h6RHxr8w060675 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:59:53 +0200 (CEST) X-XS4ALL-DNSBL-Checked: mxzilla4.xs4all.nl checked 66.135.197.9 against DNS blacklists X-XS4ALL-Pad: empty Received: from mx6.sjc.ebay.com (mxpool03.ebay.com [66.135.197.9]) by mxzilla4.xs4all.nl (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h6RHxp0i046973 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:59:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from india.sjc.ebay.com (india.sjc.ebay.com [10.6.172.78]) by mx6.sjc.ebay.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id h6RHxm0s004519 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:59:48 -0700 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-eBay-MailTracker: 10003.309.146.596 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary===_MIME-Boundary-1_== Subject: Bod bevestigd: 2313 Poul Winslow C without filter unused (Objectnummer 3233605311) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:59:51 PDT X-UIDL: 1059328793.maildrop8.60677 The filter is today a kind of a mess g, because I tried yesterday several ways. And it's the second filter after the 'Known' filter which is not active. BeginFilter Name: eBay Active: 1 Source: \\xs-joskla\Inbox Target: \\xs-joskla\Inbox\eBay CopyFolder: none MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actions: AddGroups: DelGroups: ForwardTemplate: ConfirmTemplate: ReplyTemplate: FwdAddr: RedirectAddr: NewAddr: NewTemplate: ExtCmd: ExtFile: ExtractDir: ColourGroup: default AddAddrItems: DelAddrItems: HotKey: 0 IsOfColour: default SizeBigger: 0 SizeSmaller: 0 AgeOlder: 0 AgeNewer: 0 InAddrPos: 0 OutAddrPos: 0 InAddrGroups: NoAddrGroups: KillFile: KillMethod: 0 SaveTemplate: SndFile: SysSound: 0 SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 EndFilter -- Best regards, Jos Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Editor doesn't wrap when pasting long lines
Hi, When I paste a long line (say a paragraph from Word) the editor doesn't wrap the line and form a paragraph. I have to Alt-L to make the line wrap. Is this correct behaviour? When I past a number of paragraphs its tedious to have to Alt-L for each paragraph. -- William Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters don't work
27-Jul-2003 22:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The main set is always AND. You won't receive an email that contains all of the addresses you've specified. You have to specify the other addresses on the Alternatives tab with the Add set button. It will look like... MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AltSet:1: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AltSet:2: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since you wrote your filters ceased to work... well, I doubt this one ever worked. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The known is finite, the unknown infinite. Intellectually, one could stand on an islet in the midst of an illimitable ocean of inexplicability. Our business in every generation is to reclaim a little more land, to add to the extent and solidity of our possessions. -- Thomas Henry Huxley Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: All my subfolders have vanished!
Hello Bill, Sunday, July 27, 2003, 9:04:47 PM, you wrote: BM On Sun 27-Jul-03 3:57pm -0400, Paul Smithson wrote: I've been using The Bat with very few problems for years now and then today my machine crashed. When I restarted it all the subfolders have vanished. They're still in the directory structure on my hard drive and have the appropriate files in them they just don't show up at all in The Bat. BM Did you try The Bat!'s famous 4 finger salute? Shift-Ctrl-Alt-L Thank you so VERY much. The 4 fingered salute worked like magic Bill. I can now go to bed in peace :))) -- Best regards, Paulmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editor doesn't wrap when pasting long lines
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi William, @27-Jul-2003, 21:50 William Sigmund [WS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: WS When I paste a long line (say a paragraph from Word) the editor WS doesn't wrap the line and form a paragraph... WS Is this correct behaviour? ... Yes, and it is the reason that Paste formatted was added. Paste unformatted, the default behaviour, is intended to allow the exact paste of pre-formatted text. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPyRC7TnkJKuSnc2gEQKJ6QCcDfC1VOL/jAf9nMvQAIuZnc69kKoAniBL IgpDSKcNeQb3ZAoFvUOVH4ea =vVUq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters don't work
Hello Alexander, Sunday, July 27, 2003, 11:05:34 PM, you wrote: A The main set is always AND. You won't receive an email that contains all A of the addresses you've specified. A You have to specify the other addresses on the Alternatives tab with the A Add set button. It will look like... A MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A AltSet:1: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A AltSet:2: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A Since you wrote your filters ceased to work... well, I doubt this one A ever worked. :-) Indeed, this one never worked g. And I believe now I made the same big mistake, because of my ignorance, with the other ones (added strings the same way). Tomorrow I'll test this Alternatives tab.., and so far many thanks. -- Best regards, Jos Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters don't work
On Sun 27-Jul-03 5:05pm -0400, Alexander wrote: The main set is always AND. You won't receive an email that contains all of the addresses you've specified. You have to specify the other addresses on the Alternatives tab with the Add set button. It will look like... MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AltSet:1: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AltSet:2: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or he could keep them all in the MainSet as: [EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editor doesn't wrap when pasting long lines
Hello Marck, WS When I paste a long line (say a paragraph from Word) the editor WS doesn't wrap the line and form a paragraph... WS Is this correct behaviour? ... Yes, and it is the reason that Paste formatted was added. Paste unformatted, the default behaviour, is intended to allow the exact paste of pre-formatted text. I learned a new one. Thanks! -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Some time around 7/27/2003 14:02:14, I think I heard Stefan Tanurkov say: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Good [morning|afternoon|day|evening|night] DZ-Jay, DJ Thanx for your explanation. This method might be more DJ flexible, and I can trully appreciate its use, but IMHO is a nuisance DJ when the POP3 session is interrupted, which, at least to me, happens DJ quite often. IF YOU LEAVE MESSAGES ON THE SERVER, A MESSAGE WON'T BE DOWNLOADED FOR A SECOND TIME EVEN WHEN THE PREVIOUS SESSION FAILED TO FINISH CORRECTLY BECAUSE UIDs OF DOWNLOADED MESSAGES ARE STORED. I hope, big print would help to understand ;-))) Stefan, I think that was rather rude. I understand exactly what every one has said. I was merely stating that it *might* be a good thing to add to TB so that people that choose to *not* leave messages on the server don't have to work around the nuisance by leaving messages on the server. But if the answer to every suggestion is we don't care, just work around it, then fine. I guess this is not the helpful forum I thought it was. dZ. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters don't work
Hello Bill, Or he could keep them all in the MainSet as: [EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED] So are you saying in one String field in the filter on the Rule tab I can use the following? and = or = | I use these in the Search for field of the Message Finder, but didn't know you could use them in filters -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: QT woes
Hello Thomas, It was foretold that on 27-7-2003 @ 23:34:05 GMT+0700 (which was 18:34:05 where I live) Thomas Fernandez would mumble: TF I'm out of my wits. Me too Thomas. I even created a whole new one, but still no go. Strange thing is that when evoked manually, it works. -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. It is better to be faithful than famous. - Theodore Roosevelt. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Hello DZ-Jay, On 28 Jul 2003 at 18:04:03 -0400 GMT [00:04 CEST] you wrote: DJ Stefan, I think that was rather rude. I understand exactly what every DJ one has said. I was merely stating that it *might* be a good thing to DJ add to TB so that people that choose to *not* leave messages on the DJ server don't have to work around the nuisance by leaving messages on DJ the server. But if the answer to every suggestion is we don't care, DJ just work around it, then fine. I guess this is not the helpful DJ forum I thought it was. I'm sure Stefan didn't mean it to sound that way. But as it seems the behaviour has already been changed: ,- [ mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] | TF So I think TB should also keep the UIDs of message that have already | TF been downloaded if you set Delete from server. | | I do not remember when the behaviour was changed (because that was not | added to the changelog), but I think it works this way even in the | (old) Beta you have. `- -- Cheers, Andre I hate racial discrimination most intensely and all its manifestations. I have fought all my life; I fight now, and will do so until the end of my days. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: QT woes
Hello Luc, Me too Thomas. I even created a whole new one, but still no go. Strange thing is that when evoked manually, it works. You are using v1.63 Beta/7. Why don't you upgrade to the latest Beta and then, if you still have problems, bring them up in TBBeta? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: QT woes
Hello MAU, Me too Thomas. I even created a whole new one, but still no go. Strange thing is that when evoked manually, it works. You are using v1.63 Beta/7. Why don't you upgrade to the latest Beta and then, if you still have problems, bring them up in TBBeta? He should be aware starting with Beta/8 changes effect how templates work. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: QT woes
Hello Greg, It was foretold that on 28-7-2003 @ 18:06:27 GMT-0500 (which was 1:06:27 where I live) Greg Strong would mumble: snipped a bit GS He should be aware starting with Beta/8 changes effect how templates GS work. I have used the latest beta and downgraded: the latest beta always crashed on exit because i'm using the AVG plugin. Until that is fixed i don't plan on upgrading. Besides, since using beta 7 i added and deleted several accounts thus creating new QT's without a problem. But maybe it's the wrong place to post indeed: i'll move it over to the beta list :-) -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. You have not really failed or been defeated unless you believe it. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Where do dupes come from?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear DZ-Jay, I hope, big print would help to understand ;-))) DJ Stefan, I think that was rather rude. I am sorry if you felt rudeness, I specifically put the smiles to show that I don't want to sound rude. It could be the order of reading/replying forced me to use the big print :-) DJ I understand exactly what every one has said. I was merely stating DJ that it *might* be a good thing to add to TB so that people that DJ choose to *not* leave messages on the server don't have to work DJ around the nuisance by leaving messages on the server. And I already replied that the logic was changed already in the current Beta series. This could be the actual reason of this mishap - you did not read my message before you replied to my pre-previous message and I was not aware of that. DJ But if the answer to every suggestion is we don't care, just work DJ around it, then fine. Hmmm. I *always* consider *any* suggestion as a valuable one. This is the general approach used by our company. DJ I guess this is not the helpful forum I thought it was. Again - I am sorry if I hurt you. I really am. And this forum is one of the best forums in all regards - I rarely see people not finding solutions to their problems here. So, please accept my apology. - -- Regards, Stefan ...Socialism is the equal distribution of poverty. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQIVAwUBPyRgChdVrmjoEBv9AQFsYA/8CDg32zK4Wh4JRVAxl0QLbNo0J+h121iv XobXLBpwGU46TlvkWzMaBnUQ1PXd/zGRCxVOWOqBrbaP4Ptr8vKDeZdfaSQJhaUN 8HmPFmhDa+G5DV8sqkOjiOCjP2MfoUAwqEyHEkt3a++AnlbpqpTYdYY8eH8nj+zU ZxCY/I3fv9bSSoT9KwzSDHPf8EEc4fS1TnR0P2nHX9NG6bgoWU88myU7WkKaUKdw 6tcow9vCZ0jYDXa9bOgAtBnUWIrcrQENYd7OmkIlC5dW17Z3nebYz+VO/KtQt1XS iwVTYHvZ1u/ILB0FQAgq31jKtDXSmE+IiMWFFTxY/hntmzppjfihJg9RJJYuUxv+ /vk3xUFaqOKxUEPMczUwC8S/Ho1w1RC+16I35BbvJSyc/xHtCkSnE4mWytCVqv9i DcLsDvf4UTaxY/3gqdTk1NK+CSeUD9VFczatOzWlqfhaYRnfHAGaj4WPHmGmou2l CH0GddWUdAFA04MaUX+YKLpLegyhR3f7PtGq5Pnk2dz+bfW2ItE/CTuAKEp5yKSJ WI8cvIRC+vHgSkeIJWz+NtDQoSDPqRB7y782hxkBJZIsd6RXWpKrSyWdjk73kz25 ioFCeXTZB4le4HwsCtM3C0qa5VFGCtxxnWO+IPLRFm1OKrjsWv2oQ6SmPjWGYnQZ 2V8pUWIvotU= =14oG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Some time around 7/27/2003 19:28:06, I think I heard Stefan Tanurkov say: !SNIP! And I already replied that the logic was changed already in the current Beta series. This could be the actual reason of this mishap - you did not read my message before you replied to my pre-previous message and I was not aware of that. I guess I missed it. But if the behaviour has changed then that's great! Again - I am sorry if I hurt you. I really am. And this forum is one of the best forums in all regards - I rarely see people not finding solutions to their problems here. So, please accept my apology. No problem, I guess it was just a misunderstanding :) I appreciate your help in any case. I think TB is the best mail client out there (and I have tried a lot of them). Keep up the good work! dZ. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do dupes come from?
Hello Stefan, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:08:37 -0400 GMT (28/07/03, 01:08 +0700 GMT), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: TF So I think TB should also keep the UIDs of message that have already TF been downloaded if you set Delete from server. I do not remember when the behaviour was changed (because that was not added to the changelog), but I think it works this way even in the (old) Beta you have. Thanks for the info. :-) I have just set one account from leave on server to delete, and if I get I will try to manually break the internet connection during download next time there is a bunch of messages there. I will report back. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. 13. Los Angeles's full name is El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de los Angeles de Porciuncula and can be abbreviated to 3.63% of its size,L.A. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters don't work
Hello Greg, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:04:00 -0500 GMT (28/07/03, 05:04 +0700 GMT), Greg Strong wrote: So are you saying in one String field in the filter on the Rule tab I can use the following? and = or = | You can (at least I know about |, never tested ). But I find it more human-readable if I use extra lines in the same rule for and, and alternatives for or. Matter of taste, probably. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Top 10 Reasons To Go To Work Naked: 10. Your boss is always yelling, I wanna see your butt in here by 8:00. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Lost Smart Bat Entries.
Hello TBUDL At the weekend I re-formatted/partitioned my hard-drives, re-loaded software and data without too much grief. I changed the partition structure so when I restored TB! files I had to point TB! to the new paths. No problem. Unfortunately I seem to have 'lost' all my Smart Bat entries :-( TB! is still looking for them on (and trying to write new ones to) the old partition path. The entries are still in TB! directory (in .txt) but TB! is not looking for them there. Any ideas? -- Regards William http://www.residues.info and http://www.magiric.com Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
