Re: Tool tips
On Monday, September 8, 2003 @ 10:55:07 PM [-0700], Neal Laugman wrote: I haven't found a way to turn off the tool tips in the message window. These tool tips show message counts for the folder and can be annoying. Can they be turned off? If you mean the columns that show the unread and total messages, you'll need to just adjust the column to zero, so to speak. Click and hold the line next to the Total at the top of the column and drag it over till it's gone. -- Matt Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Connection Centre grabs full screen
Hello John, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:59:43 +1000 GMT (09/09/2003, 11:59 +0700 GMT), John Phillips wrote: Options / Preferences / Display Connection Center / choose Always Thanks for the tip, but can't seem to find that in 2.00.6 I use the same version. Options / Preferences opens in the General section. If not, click on General (top item in the list). You have a number of tick boxes on that page. Below these tickboxes there are two drop-down boxes, one for display connection center and the other for display mail ticker. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tool tips
Matt, If you mean the columns that show the unread and total messages, you'll need to just adjust the column to zero, so to speak. Click and hold the line next to the Total at the top of the column and drag it over till it's gone. No, not the columns. These are the [yellow] tooltip windows that you get when mousing over a header line. They show up if if display is set to Show unread only and apparently not when all messages is the display mode. -- Neal Laugman Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Monday, September 8, 2003, 6:50:12 PM, Alexander wrote: Can you for just a *moment* think of how you would feel if you registered TB 1.x about 2.01 months ago (like danger h), please? Can you answer me, then, if it maybe seems unfair, or if you feel ripped off? Come n... I was hired in my new job on March 1 2003. According to greek low, If I was hired until Feb 28 I was entitled for vacations in 2003. Although I am entitled for vacations (just few days) I was not entitled for vacation benefit. That is 1000 Euro. Life sucks. Got to live with it though. If a company forgets that updates to their products are actually worth money and then suddenly charge each and every user the same... ungh, how many times did I repeat this, enough... If I understand correctly you prefer to pay, even if it is a reduced amount for every upgrade? You would be alone that, because a reason for Bat to be popular ,except being so powerful, is that Ritlabs constantly updates Bat and NOT charge a cent. -- /\/\ || George M. Menegakis - System Administrator || || Centre of Communications and Networking|| || Iraklion Campus - University Of Crete || || mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], icq: 4557532 || || phone: +30 81 393 306, fax:+30 81 39 3318 || \/\/ Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Invalid HTML is back (2.00.6)!
Hello Thomas, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] rant Once I'm at it, box quotes are also a bad idea for quotes; with this I mean quoting from the previous email. You diodn't do it here, but I have seen some people do it because it looks nicer. Tell you what, it messes up the coloured viewing of quote levels, and if I reply, the quoting is all messed up anyway. Reserve box quotes for the very rate occasion where they make sense, please. Thanks. /rant I was going to say exactly that but you beat me to it. I think most people use box quotes 'cos it gives them the power of using an impressive looking macro! I hate them!! (box quotes that is, not the people). -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.00.6 SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 | and using the best browser: Opera7 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
George M. Menegakis wrote: If a company forgets that updates to their products are actually worth money and then suddenly charge each and every user the same... ungh, how many times did I repeat this, enough... If I understand correctly you prefer to pay, even if it is a reduced amount for every upgrade? You would be alone that, because a reason for Bat to be popular ,except being so powerful, is that Ritlabs constantly updates Bat and NOT charge a cent. Hear hear. I always read here that people were willing to pay for updates and that they use TB because of its unique features... -- l8er Alex. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
User-Agent vs. X-Mailer
Hello, in an article http://www.landfield.com/usefor/drafts/draft-ietf-usefor-article-11.txt I read that X-Mailer etc. headers are obsolete (in News Articles) and that the defined standard for that header information is User Agent: NOTE: This header supersedes the role performed redundantly by experimental headers such as X-Newsreader, X-Mailer, X-Posting- Agent, X-Http-User-Agent, and other headers previously used on Usenet and in Email for this purpose. Use of these experimental headers SHOULD be discontinued in favor of the single, standard User-Agent-header. Are news and email treated the same, and should TB adapt to these changes? If so, is it already planned and/or on the wishlist? (and no, I'm only using Thunderbird for testing right now, I have not abandoned my trustworthy TB 1.62r, but there that user agent field came to my attention) -- Gx Alex. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Invalid HTML is back (2.00.6)!
* Thomas Fernandez: Peter Fjelsten wrote: ,- [ Error message ] | Invalid HTML ! | Please forward this message to developers. | Thanks. | EConvertError '1012101210121012101210121012' is not a valid integer value `- ,- [ Message that caused it (running MyGate news-to-TB) ] Unfortunately, you use the boxes quotes. So I cannot just cp the message into my text editor, save it, and open it with TB to check your error. I would have to spend a lot of time editing. Come on ;) This time could be saved but... Press reply, set mark mode from stream to column und copy what you need. Everybody whines .. me because Ritlabs doesnot answ... *argh* -- Have a nice day Torsten Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello MAU, On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 10:04:41 +0200 GMT (07/09/2003, 15:04 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mygate/ OK, I'm too stupid. I have subscribed to a newsgroup, using MyGate. TB connects fine to localhost but find 0 messages in the mailbox. I thought when I hit Receive New Mails in TB, MyGate should get the messages/postings from the NG. And I do see internet activity in my DUN icon in the systray. There is no error message in the log. Number of messages is set 100 (default). Server: news.cis.dfn.de Group: de.alt.comp.the-bat I also subscribed to what looked like a high-traffic list, something starting with comp. just in case there were no postings in that NG. With the same result: no messages. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The real question for 1988 is whether we're going to go forward to tomorrow or past to the--to the back! --V.P. Dan Quayle. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello Thomas, Server: news.cis.dfn.de That server requires a username and password, are you sure they are correct on the Authorization tab of the gate? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello MAU, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:31:06 +0200 GMT (09/09/2003, 15:31 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: Server: news.cis.dfn.de That server requires a username and password, Oh! are you sure they are correct on the Authorization tab of the gate? No, I don't have any username and password for the server. Just for testing purposes, could you name a server that does not require authorisation? - If MyGate works here as expected, then I can go and find out how to get auth for the desired server, or what other servers carry the target NG. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. You know that little indestructible black box that is used on planes; why can't they make the whole plane out of the same substance ? Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why base64 encoding in 2.0?
Hello Jernej Simoni, On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 21:37 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: JS They aren't (unless the sender chooses so). Well, I've spent some time Testing how The Bat! v2 behaves with this base64 and PGP signing stuff. Well, results are: - the Bat! always coverts to base 64 if Sign when complete option is enabled in Account properties and Use OpenPGP is disabled. - When signing to PGP/MIME The Bat! is always converting to base64. Even in cases when message body consist entirely of 7 bits characters and should not be converted. - in case when mail headers contain 8 bits characters and and body consists only from 7 bit characters The Bat! instead of marking contents us-ascii and 7 bit marks it with the same charset, used in headers. I also put very detailed results of my tests, maybe somone will be interested :) 8 bits 8 bits PGP SignPGPin headers in contentsSignature Result Off Off No NoNone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CORRECT Off Off Yes NoNone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 WRONG! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WRONG! WRONG! only 7 bits used in body should be us-ascii and 7 bits Off Off No Yes None Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit CORRECT Off Off Yes Yes None Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit CORRECT On Off No NoNone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 WRONG! charset is correct but why is us-ascii converted to base64? On Off Yes NoNone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 WRONG! No 8 bits in body, charset should be us-ascii and no conversion to base64! On Off No Yes None Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 WRONG! Charset is correct, however no signing here, so there should be no conversion to base64! On Off Yes Yes None Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 WRONG! Charset is correct, however no signing here, so there should be no conversion to base64! Off On No NoNone Content-Type: texxt/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CORRECT Off On Yes NoNone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WRONG! Only 7 bits used in body should be us-ascii and 7 bits Off On No Yes None Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit CORRECT Off On Yes Yes None Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit CORRECT On On No NoNone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello Thomas, Oh! Ah! :) No, I don't have any username and password for the server. See http://news.cis.dfn.de/, they have changed names. Just for testing purposes, could you name a server that does not require authorisation? You can find a few here: http://freenews.maxbaud.net/newspage.html?date=2003-09-09 -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Invalid HTML is back (2.00.6)!
Thomas, On 09-09-2003 06:29, you [T] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: T On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 01:29:04 +0200 GMT (09/09/2003, 06:29 +0700 GMT), T Peter Fjelsten wrote: ,- [ Error message ] | Invalid HTML ! | Please forward this message to developers. | Thanks. | EConvertError '1012101210121012101210121012' is not a valid integer value `- ,- [ Message that caused it (running MyGate news-to-TB) ] T Unfortunately, you use the boxes quotes. So I cannot just cp the T message into my text editor, save it, and open it with TB to check T your error. I would have to spend a lot of time editing. Sorry about that. T Box quotes may make sense when you quote somebody, like Shakespeare or T so, or for the error message above it's OK - but not when you want T people to cp and test your source. I didn't think of that. Here it is without box quotes (again I have removed the @s/archives): = Path: nntp02.dk.telia.net!nf04.dk.telia.net!news103.dk.telia.net!cleanfeed.dk.telia.net!cf01.dk.telia.net!newsfeed101.telia.com!nf02.dk.telia.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!uninett.no!news.opera.no!not-for-mail From: fuxs fuxs-at-RemoveRemove.nikocity.de Newsgroups: opera.beta Subject: Re: Filter changes are not dropped on Cancel Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 01:20:13 +0200 Organization: none Lines: 45 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] NNTP-Posting-Host: a064182.dialin.hansenet.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: mail.opera.no 1063062933 5966 213.191.64.182 (8 Sep 2003 23:15:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet-at-opera.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2003 23:15:33 GMT User-Agent: Opera7.20/Win32 M2 build 3106 Xref: nntp02.dk.telia.net opera.beta:30906 To: All opera.beta Reply-To: fuxs opera.beta On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 20:43:26 +0200, Toman toman-at-www.com wrote: On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:11:00 +0200, fuxs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:04:06 +0200, Toman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Changes to filters in m2 are not dropped when hitting cancel. Not sure if this is the case with 7.11 too. Windows xp. Cannot confirm (luckily!) but maybe I am doing something wrong? Create view, apply filter. Edit filter and cancel the properties window. Nothing happens. Reopening the filter - dialoque does not contain my changes... hm, when I: 1. Add a filter to an existing view, fill in some bogus text Cancel. result: The new filter entry remains, but without the bogus text. Ah, see what you mean. Did not realize this, as after creating a new view M2 always shows this filterbody 'where subject contains' whithout further text. Not quite sure, whether this is simply ignored. Try this: 1. create a new view (Safety first! :). ever! But: no risk... 2. Add two or more rules OK. 3. Remove one of the rules Cancel. result: The rule is removed. Yep! You might want to report it, as every editing should be saved /after/ hitting OK. So, it seems the only thing that can really escape careless editing are existing views. -- fuxs = T Once I'm at it, box quotes are also a bad idea for quotes; I agree. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.00.6 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Connection times out
Hi Alexander, @9-Sep-2003, 06:57 +0200 (05:57 UK time) Alexander [A] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Doug: ... or are you using a local spam-catching proxy that times out? Opening the mail dispatcher to sort it out manually on the server. A So it sounds like the connection to the server times out. ... ... or the RAS/DUN connection hits its inactivity timer limit. A I am not aware of a setting in TB to keep the connection alive A (something like NOOP in FTP or IMAP, I don't know if it exists A for POP3)... POP3 protocol has the capacity for NOOPs - I've seen them on the server here. Perhaps that's what should happen...? -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thread +,- indicators
Hello all, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, Steve Mary King wrote: Version 2.00.6 doesn't show the thread indicators, +-, in the message list Subject column. Can this be turned on/off, if so how, or is this a bug in this version? no problem here, can You create screenshot and send us link to it?. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 2.00.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML in the editor
Hello all, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: While that may be true, bugs are explored on TBBETA and expunged by use of the BugTraq system (I don't know if that's back up yet). yes, BT is up and running. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 2.00.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The URL prefix
I'm using The Bat V2 (although this appeared to be the same in V1.X) and I've noticed a problem with embedded URL's in messages. If the message contains a URL in this format http://foobar.com then The Bat correctly identifies it as a URL and makes it a hot spot. But if it is sent in this format URL:http://foobar.com then it is not. RFC 1738 discusses this format and while support for this method of doing things isn't required it is one of the more common methods of quoting URLs in plain text. Am I missing a switch or does The Bat just not support this? Hopefully it's the former as cutting and pasting URL's is getting to be a pain! Regards Mark -- Mark Adams | Computer Systems Acemake Computers | Network Support Taming Technology | Bespoke Programming You mean we're not gonna score? We came all this way and we're not gonna score? It's not fair; we never score. I'll bet this old dude scored, like, a million times. But we never score. (Beavis, from Beavis and Butthead Do America) Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Am I missing something, or is it not possible for the HTML editor in v2.00 to be set as the default? I was expecting much fuller HTML editing support in v2.00 ... i.e. HTML default editor HTML templates. I don't want to open a can of worms here (or maybe I do) but what is wrong with using HTML in email? what is behind TB's relegation of HTML to the backburner? I've heard the purists talk of 'bloatmail'/bandwidth issues, but why is this such an issue? Surely the enormous formatting flexibility available with HTML email outweighs the bandwidth issue. After all, we're not on the brink of bandwidth rationing, are we? I appreciate some of us pay for the bandwidth we use, but text only HTML emails will use a negligible amount of extra bandwidth compared to plain text ones. Isn't this correct? Is it a reaction to the practices of spammers the influence of MS? or something more technical? I can make plain text messages look OK in TB! but I'm aware whenever I send mail that the P.T. usually looks pretty dreadful on recipient's machines. woops! ... gone a bit OT. -- David Boggon [EMAIL PROTECTED] The International Centre for Nonviolent Communication: http://www.cnvc.org Using The Bat! 2.00 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Reply template oddity - any thoughts please?
AA So far so good - but when he receives a mail from one user and replies AA using the template above the reply has the word Message before the AA quoted text. So it would appear like this: AA MessageHi Fred...blah blah blah... I've noticed the same thing when I reply in plain text to an html message. Message appears at the very beginning of the quoted original message text. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Edit incoming messages shortcut?
Sean H., [SH] wrote: SH Thanks Allie! That's not the exact message I was looking for (the SH one I remember was from over 6 months ago at least) but I think I'll SH be able to get it to work using your instructions. Just need to SH translate it to Win9x speak... If you're having problems please tell so we can sort it out here. With PowerPro, I've created a toolbar that appears at the bottom of View Folder Windows and the main window. Two of the buttons control the export/edit and import filters using the shortcuts for them. Works a charm. I hit the edit button and the message source auto-magically appears in my editor. When finished, I hit save, close the editor and then hit the import button. The altered message is now in my import folder. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thread +,- indicators
Hi Steve, on Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:15:51 -0700GMT (09.09.03, 03:15 +0200GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : SMK Version 2.00.6 doesn't show the thread indicators, +-, in the message list SMK Subject column. Can this be turned on/off, if so how, or is this a bug in SMK this version? Not confirmed. Maybe threaded view is turned off by mistake? Just a thought... -- Cheers Peter Who the is General Failure and what's he doing on my computer? Winamp currently playing: Leonard Cohen - Democracy Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message list headings
Thomas Fernandez, [TF] wrote: I would like to add color groups to all my headings with out having to define in each folder. TF I'm not sure I know what you mean, but try the above. TB! has supported a column that displays the message colour group for quite some time now. You can then easily sort messages according to their colour group. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why base64 encoding in 2.0?
Edvinas Matiuaitis, [EM] wrote: EM - When signing to PGP/MIME The Bat! is always converting to base64. EM Even in cases when message body consist entirely of 7 bits EM characters and should not be converted. Another trigger for conversion to base64 is the presence of trailing spaces. One such trailing space is in our signature delimiter. Are you testing with all messages containing a signature delimiter? -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: enhanced IMAP support
Hello pk, Monday, September 8, 2003, 9:28:37 PM, you wrote: i am using hotmail account presently configured in Outlook express , is it possible to configure my hotmail account to bat v2.00.6 which is reportedly having enhanced IMAP support Hotmail doesn't use IMAP. But, you can use Hotmail Popper to help The Bat connect to your hotmail account. I use it, it works great and it's free. Here's the website: http://www.boolean.ca/ -- Best regards, Daniel Rail Senior System Engineer ACCRA Group Inc. (www.accra.ca) ACCRA Med Software Inc. (www.filopto.com) Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why base64 encoding in 2.0?
Hello Allie Martin, On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 14:27 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: AM Another trigger for conversion to base64 is the presence of trailing AM spaces. One such trailing space is in our signature delimiter. Any reason why those trailing spaces trigger that? AM Are you testing with all messages containing a signature delimiter? Yes, I did that. -- Edvis Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why base64 encoding in 2.0?
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 7:27:58 AM, Allie wrote: A Another trigger for conversion to base64 is the presence of A trailing spaces. One such trailing space is in our signature A delimiter. Apparently not all the time. F9 on your message showed the sig delimiter as '--=20' - that's dash-dash-equal-two-zero. So that's not always a trigger. The encoding was: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why base64 encoding in 2.0?
Dave Kennedy, [DK] wrote: DK Apparently not all the time. F9 on your message showed the sig DK delimiter as '--=20' - that's dash-dash-equal-two-zero. I have forced TB! here to use quoted printable. I did so via the account options encoding. I prefer quoted printable to base64 since it's readable in raw format. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
David Boggon, [DB] wrote: DB Am I missing something, or is it not possible for the HTML editor in DB v2.00 to be set as the default? It's not possible. DB I was expecting much fuller HTML editing support in v2.00 ... i.e. DB HTML default editor HTML templates. HTML mail really aught to be composed only in exceptional circumstances. In those circumstances, manually enabling it isn't tedious. I think Ritlabs likely supports a similar view. The problem with HTML mail is its overwhelming abuse. The ability to make it the default editor encourages such abuse. DB I've heard the purists talk of 'bloatmail'/bandwidth issues, but why DB is this such an issue? The default use of HTML mail does increase bandwidth use. If one person does so it's negligible. When the whole internet community decides to do so, it's an enormous increase in bandwidth use. DB Surely the enormous formatting flexibility available with HTML email DB outweighs the bandwidth issue. In all but a few exceptions, I'd think not. DB After all, we're not on the brink of bandwidth rationing, are we? For many, bandwidth is still a serious consideration in terms of cost and in terms of download speeds. DB I appreciate some of us pay for the bandwidth we use, but text only DB HTML emails will use a negligible amount of extra bandwidth compared DB to plain text ones. Isn't this correct? In the main, yes, but there are other problems. DB Is it a reaction to the practices of spammers the influence of MS? DB or something more technical? HTML formatted mail takes away the control from your readers. I hate when HTML mail forces me to read it with a particular font and font size. Not to mention that HTML mail is notorious for looking different from what the sender intended. There are a lot of past threads looking at this issue of HTML mail. I suggest running a search for them on the TBUDL archives. DB I can make plain text messages look OK in TB! but I'm aware whenever I DB send mail that the P.T. usually looks pretty dreadful on recipient's DB machines. Would you explain this further? -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why base64 encoding in 2.0?
Edvinas Matiuaitis, [EM] wrote: AM Another trigger for conversion to base64 is the presence of trailing AM spaces. One such trailing space is in our signature delimiter. EM Any reason why those trailing spaces trigger that? It's done in order to preserve those trailing spaces, maintaining them exactly as sent. TB! tends to strip trailing spaces upon sending, one of the exceptions being the trailing space after the signature delimiter. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
David, On 09-09-2003 12:59, you [D] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: D I've heard the purists talk of 'bloatmail'/bandwidth issues, but why D is this such an issue? Because an HTML mail is at least 3 times the size of a plain text mail. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.00.6 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello David, On 09/09/2003, 12:59:41 (My Time), you wrote: DB Surely the enormous formatting flexibility available with HTML DB email outweighs the bandwidth issue. After all, we're not on the DB brink of bandwidth rationing, are we? Some users connect their laptops using GPRS Phones, and they pay for received/sent packets, not for connection time. They *hate* HTML because it increases their bills, and that outweighs formatting flexibility for sure. -- Chema Berian ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Moderator, Spanish The Bat! User Discussion List (GDUTB) More info Here: http://www.gdutb.org Using SecureBat! 1.62s on Windows XP Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hi Allie, DB I can make plain text messages look OK in TB! but I'm aware whenever I DB send mail that the P.T. usually looks pretty dreadful on recipient's DB machines. AM Would you explain this further? I was thinking back to my Outlook Express days ... plain text messages looked, well, plain. I either didn't know or didn't care that I could configure the display font, and the different colours for lines of reply which TB is capable of was not so in OE, for instance. Many end users don't know enough/have enough time/have the inclination to delve into the plain text display settings of their client, and so plain text messages with fixed width fonts and no bold italics and font sizes/colours look very plain indeed beside their HTML counterparts. AM The problem with HTML mail is its overwhelming abuse. The ability to AM make it the default editor encourages such abuse. Hmmm. While some people who use HTML mail may abuse it, it is the spammers etc themselves who are at fault, not HTML, I think. AM I hate when HTML mail forces me to read it with a particular font and font AM size. Well yes, that's precisely my point. TB too makes it difficult for people to exercise the choice of HTML over plain text, for those prefering HTML who are also responsible users. But this is a political issue as well as a preferential one. Having said all this, if it really is an issue of principle, I applaude TB! for not selling out. The purist attitude to me does seem a little groupy, though ... and I wonder how sustainable it is in reality. -- David Boggon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Narcissism is a necessary transitional phase during the consolidation of the ego. - Eric Neumann Using The Bat! 2.00 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spam
Hello Thomas, Friday, September 5, 2003, 12:04:17 AM, you wrote: TF Hello Paul, TF On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:18:08 +1000 GMT (04/09/2003, 12:18 +0700 GMT), TF Paul Berger wrote: I am receiving allot of spam. When the messages arrive which I do not want I have set up filters to deal with them. All that happens is that the senders just change their names of some other element of the address and then the messages continue to get past my filters. Can the Bat! deal with this kind of Spam or is it necessary to get another programme to do this work. TF A long thread ensued, and I haven't read all of it. But it is a good TF idea to use another program to do this, as spammers do tend to change TF their address, and it wouldn't be feasible to add all to the filter. As Thomas says below this line, try other products like spampal, they enable you to virtually remove all the crap. I tried it, works great but feed that whitelist and filte3r out mailing lists... Obviously having your own filters first to grab known receipients to their own folders is a smart way so that you spot incorrectly labelled spam Now incase anyone wonders why it says I am thomas as registered user, its due tos some computerised monkey taking the reservation from Thomas to enablee me to use my v2 as I upgraded a NON registered version due to a system crash, donot do this (g), I had 3 days left(!). Can someone please provide training with suitable bananas???(g) While I havent seen the bill yet as far as I am concerned the upgrade is cheap as if I go out in the evening in the place I live, I could spend half or all that subscription on beer and other stuff. Or more to the point being in Thailand I likely if I wanted could find myself walking off with 2 nice girls for that price (g). Anyway, jokes aside, I am happy not to have to worry for another serial change for v3 (g) if ever... TF There are now some plug-ins available for TB, but they are in beta TF status. I don't use them, as my email-provider offers an option to do TF this server-side. The key word is bayesian spam filtering, which TF also the TB plug-ins attempt. You couldn't do that with just the TF filters in TB. -- Best regards, tracermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.0 RC1 Windows 98 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
It seems that David Boggon said ... D Many end users don't know enough/have enough time/have the inclination D to delve into the plain text display settings of their client, and so D plain text messages with fixed width fonts and no bold italics and D font sizes/colours look very plain indeed beside their HTML D counterparts. If the goal is COMMUNICATION, plain text wins. If the goal is making it pretty, HTML wins. I receive a lot of HTML messages that look like ransom notes. If I have 557 fonts, then I'm going to use every one of them in every message, the user seems to think, and at least 7,000,000 of the 16.7 million available to me. Yecch. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 9/9/2003 at 8:56 AM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: Trust I seek and I find in you, everyday to eat something new. Featured speaker at PowerPoint Live - Tucson, Arizona October 12-15, 2003 - http://www.pptlive.com/ Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 6:59:41 AM, David Boggon wrote: DB I don't want to open a can of worms here (or maybe I do) but what is DB wrong with using HTML in email? what is behind TB's relegation of DB HTML to the backburner? DB I've heard the purists talk of 'bloatmail'/bandwidth issues, but why DB is this such an issue? It's an issue for those who have to pay for it. That means those who pay for internet access by the bandwidth used, or who have a limit placed on their bandwidth usage by their ISP, or who pay by the minute (because more bandwidth = longer download times). DB Surely the enormous formatting flexibility available with HTML email DB outweighs the bandwidth issue. After all, we're not on the brink of DB bandwidth rationing, are we? I appreciate some of us pay for the DB bandwidth we use, but text only HTML emails will use a negligible DB amount of extra bandwidth compared to plain text ones. Isn't this DB correct? An email in HTML is always at least twice the size of the same thing in plain-text, since it includes both the plain-text version the same message with HTML tags. So while it might be negligible for each small, individual email, it's certainly not negligible for large emails or for lots of emails added together. Other disadvantages of HTML: - HTML slows the recipient's computer - not always noticeably, but it always does. - HTML email doesn't work for all recipients - HTML email can connect to the internet by itself. If an email in HTML includes reference to external pages, the user's computer will try to download those images as soon as the message is selected, unless the software allows the user the option not to do so, the user has selected that option. - The images within HTML can be used to set and retrieve cookies. - HTML email renders slowly. In some email readers, the page can take a long time to render. Some people won't wait. - If you send HTML email to an email list, it may appear on some systems, or in digests, with all its HTML tags - which makes it virtually unreadable. - HTML cannot be forwarded intact. Advantages of HTML: - You can put pretty pictures backgrounds font-colours in your messages. -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
Hello Vishal, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 12:22:01 PM, you wrote: V Hi Robyn V Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 9:09:56 PM, you wrote: A I used TB! 1.62 with ZA Pro 2.6 until recently using automatic mail A checking on one mail account and it worked fine. I've now switched to A TB! 2 and ZA Pro 4 and it still works just fine. RW I use TB! 2 (and v1.62 before upgrading) with the free version of ZA (as well also RW behind a hardware firewall) using automatic mail checking on two mail accounts and have RW had no problems. RW Nor do I remember having to go to any great lengths to get the automatic mail RW checking to work. V Hmm, so there's hope :) Did you do *anything* special at all in ZA to make it work V with TB apart from saying Yes to ZA's questions about whether to let TB access V the internet and send mail? Like add an SMTP server to the trusted zone or V something? What antivirus do you have running? There was a problem in the past that in Zonealarm you had to make the internet connection itself trusted. Due to a very flakey connection I see not all posts or see them very late but on MY system, not this crummy box I use I have latest ZA 4 PRO, with latest bat and essentially havent had any nproblems during a year. Before that there was a known zonealarm problem as mentioned above, not the bat... AV shouldnt matter, I use F-secure as Norton and Mcafee are useless.. -- Best regards, tracermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.0 RC1 Windows 98 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Why users are receiving my email as a txt file ?
Hello ! Since yesterday, when I upgraded from 1.62 to 2.00.6, outlook express users are now receiving my messages with no text in the main part, my message in a text file, and my pgp signature in .dat file ? It does work perfectly with the 1.62... Is it a bug ? -- Cedric - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.haute-vitesse.org (DH/DSS)PGP-key Server ID: 0xBDD6E604 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hi Dajabo, @9-Sep-2003, 13:39 David Boggon [D] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Allie: D Many end users don't know enough/have enough time/have the D inclination to delve into the plain text display settings of D their client, and so plain text messages with fixed width fonts D and no bold italics and font sizes/colours look very plain D indeed beside their HTML counterparts. ... so, for the (possible) aesthetic pleasure of those (few) users, you want to wrench the capability from the hands of all others by imposing your preferred formatting on *their* mail? No fair! AM The problem with HTML mail is its overwhelming abuse. The AM ability to make it the default editor encourages such abuse. D Hmmm. While some people who use HTML mail may abuse it, it is the D spammers etc themselves who are at fault, not HTML, I think. That is not correct. The fault lies in the ability to write over-formatted messages. It's like Kid + Candy store = dog's dinner. One man's meat is another man's poison. Just because a puce background with bright green text and an orange polka-dot margin looks *great* to Ian when he sent the message, trust me, most recipients are gonna throw up! HTML was *never* developed or intended for use as a formatting system for email. It is a presentation system for served pages, intended for transmission with the HyperText Transfer Protocol (HTTP, yes?). Mail is simple text intended for transmission with the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP, yes?). The fusion of the two has led to over-use of bandwidth, bad taste and imposition on the recipient, whose choice it *should* be! AM I hate when HTML mail forces me to read it with a particular AM font and font size. Precisely. D Well yes, that's precisely my point. It's not. It's the opposite of your point! D TB too makes it difficult for people to exercise the choice of D HTML over plain text, for those prefering HTML who are also D responsible users. On the whole, no. Most people who write HTML mail do so to impose formatting and presentation on the recipient. That is already an abuse of responsibility. D But this is a political issue as well as a preferential one. Not really. The HTTP vs SMTP is political, maybe. The HTML allows me to present how *I* want is a violation of the receiver's right to read with the presentation *I* want. D Having said all this, if it really is an issue of principle, I D applaude TB! for not selling out. The purist attitude to me does D seem a little groupy, though ... and I wonder how sustainable it D is in reality. Very. There are enormous swathes of folk that subscribe to the many Keep it ASCII campaigns. Having said that, I will dive straight for HTML format when I want to send a map or two and directions to someone. But *never* when I just have a textual message to write. *Bold* /Italic/ and _underline_ text is a simple convention, just a couple of keystrokes of overhead and very clear and easy to read. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 8:59:49 AM, Bill wrote: B If the goal is COMMUNICATION, plain text wins. If the goal is You are trying to emphasize COMMUNICATION, right? That's why it's capitalized? I wonder if HTML would have been able to present that across better by using italics or bold font? B making it pretty, HTML wins. That's kind of a simple-minded view. Presentation counts. There have been a few snipes recently about how FoxMail does a lousy job at wrapping lines, etc. That's presentation and it clearly matters to even us plain-text techy types. B I receive a lot of HTML messages that look like ransom notes. Great simile! B If I have 557 fonts, then I'm going to use every one of them B in every message, Agreed. It's just like the early days of the Apple LaserWriter and all those hideous print newsletters that came out with 557 fonts all over it. Still, we survived those days. I'm disappointed to learn that the HTML editor on TB is as weak as being presented and that you can't make it the default. These discussions kind of remind me of Mac users defending their black white screens when Windows came out with color screen. Who needs color? It just slows things down and doesn't add anything! Having gone through many of these cycles, it's clear there will always be some who fight the progress that is inexorable and others who adapt. Lest you think that I'm a big HTML fan, I'm really not. I made out quite well with nroff/troff. However, there is this thing called momentum that HTML surely has. Even the fact that RIT has provided, however reluctantly, an HTML editor shows how much demand there is for it. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why users are receiving my email as a txt file ?
On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 14:58:18, Cedric Fontaine wrote: It does work perfectly with the 1.62... Is it a bug ? It's a bug. In Outlook Express. You can work around it by disabling PGP-MIME. -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ http://deepthought.ena.si/ If at first you don't succeed, transform your data set. -- Law of Computability Applied to Social Science (Brook's Law) Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
David Boggon, [DB] wrote: DB Having said all this, if it really is an issue of principle, I DB applaude TB! for not selling out. The purist attitude to me does DB seem a little groupy, though ... and I wonder how sustainable it is DB in reality. The direction of conventions/standards as these are largely based on user demands. This is why, despite all the problems, HTML mail is here. I'm not really against rich text formatting. HTML is just not the way to go about it. It causes problems and it's not efficient. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Deleting Quote sign Macro for TB 2.x
Hello TB List, this was the old QT for deleting quote signs, can somebody write it new for TB 2.x ,- [ QQ ] | %REM=_Nachricht in Kommentarmakro kopieren_%- | %COMMENT='%text'%- | %REM=_Vorlage QQ2 aufrufen_%- | %QINCLUDE=qq2%- `- ,- [ QQ2 ] | %IF:%- | %- | %SETPATTREGEXP='(?is).*?[\n](.*)'%- | %REGEXPMATCH='%COMMENT'xx%- | :%- | %SETPATTREGEXP='(?is)([ ]*\w*#*\|*)*[ ]*\|*#*[ ]*(.*?)[\n]'%- | %REGEXPBLINDMATCH='%COMMENT'%SUBPATT='2' | %- | %COMMENT='%- | %SETPATTREGEXP=(?is).*?[\n](.*)%- | %REGEXPMATCH=_%COMMENT_'%- | %QINCLUDE='qq2'%- | :%- | %SETPATTREGEXP='(?is)([ ]*\w*#*\|*)*[ ]*\|*#*[ ]*(.*?)[\n]'%- | %REGEXPBLINDMATCH='%COMMENT'%SUBPATT='2' | %COMMENT=''%- `- Thanks.. -- Ciao Thomas Mailer: TheBat! 2.00.6 OS: Windows XP Service Pack 1 PGP:PGP 8.0 | Key: 0xABBB7287 HP: http://home.arcor.de/thebat/ Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
It seems that Dave Kennedy said ... D That's kind of a simple-minded view. Presentation counts. There D have been a few snipes recently about how FoxMail does a lousy D job at wrapping lines, etc. That's presentation and it clearly D matters to even us plain-text techy types. That's because I'm a simple-minded curmudgeon, but I'm also a marketing guy and I contend that MOST messages can be communicated at least as well with plain text (and without the double or triple overhead) as with HTML. When presentation requires HTML, I use it; most of the time, it's needed and wanted about as much as my cat needs and wants a tuxedo and top hat. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 9/9/2003 at 9:51 AM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan. Featured speaker at PowerPoint Live - Tucson, Arizona October 12-15, 2003 - http://www.pptlive.com/ Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[7]: Amnesty ...there is none!
Hello Danger, Monday, September 8, 2003, 10:37:48 AM, you wrote: D Hello Danger, D Friday, September 5, 2003, 3:30:28 PM, you wrote: D Hello Christopher, D Friday, September 5, 2003, 2:51:12 PM, you wrote: CB Hi Julien, dh I have not found posted the Amnesty policy for newly registered 1.x dh uses to obtain a new key for Ver. 2.x CB At any rate, they seem amenable to the free upgrade. I was told to CB include my v1.x order number when requesting the free upgrade. D I sent an e-mail to that address lets see what happens! D As of now I have still not received any e-mail back from that address. AS of 9/09/03 no reply I will send one more kind email -- Best regards, Dangermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
something wrong with thebat tech mailing list?
Hello, Is there something wrong with [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list ? I have no traffic there, posted a few days a question on it, and got no answer, but no other traffic as well ? Also I heard of some colleguas they get regulary unsubscribed over there ? Can someone clarify ? -- Rgds, Wilfried http://www.mestdagh.biz Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello David, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 11:59:41 AM, you wrote: DB I don't want to open a can of worms here (or maybe I do) but what DB is wrong with using HTML in email? I'm a broadband user so I don't care about bandwidth so it's a most point for me. Most people are never going to be graphic designers because they have no artistic ability or colour sense. However, these people feel a terrible urge to inflict their eye destroying fonts and colours on me. It's usually the case that the less ability a person has to choose colours, the more likely their mails are to have them. I'm also terribly prejudiced against fonts, if you want me to think you're a 5 year old feel free to use Comic Sans, otherwise use a businesslike font. It's a pain for me to have to set things up so that stupid unreadable fonts are displayed correctly. The next point is the fact that e-mails don't need fancy formatting 99% of the time. Most of the non mailing list mails I receive are devoid of punctuation and are usually written in one CASE OR THE OTHER. Oh, html mail, not I can see some AOLer shouting in blue text on a fluorescent pink background. If you mail isn't important enough to be written correctly, why do you need formatting? I know not everyone misuses html mail, but enough do and I can see no real benefits for it. If you're formatting is so wonderful, convert it to a pdf and send it as an attachment, then I won't lose any of it's wonderfulness. -- Jamie Dainton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Leaders of the world's richest nations meet in Cancun on September 10th 2003. Oxfam is presenting them with a petition to make trade fair. Be sure your voice is heard. Sign the 'Big Noise' petition to make trade fair at: http://www.maketradefair.com/go/join/?p=omf1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[8]: Amnesty Happy ending!
After two emails and one phone call I received my new bat key! -- Best regards, Dangermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: something wrong with thebat tech mailing list?
Hi Wilfried, @9-Sep-2003, 16:05 +0200 (15:05 UK time) Wilfried Mestdagh [WM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: WM Is there something wrong with [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing WM list ? I have no traffic there, posted a few days a question on WM it, and got no answer, but no other traffic as well ? It's working just fine. I saw your posts there. It's just a low traffic list. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Wrapping recieved mail correctly
Hi All, It seems some mail clients are incapable of wrapping mails at a sensible limit. Now as I'm viewing TB! at 1600x1200 an unwrapped mail line is very long. Is it possible to set the viewer to force the mail to wrap at 80 columns? -- Jamie Dainton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Leaders of the world's richest nations meet in Cancun on September 10th 2003. Oxfam is presenting them with a petition to make trade fair. Be sure your voice is heard. Sign the 'Big Noise' petition to make trade fair at: http://www.maketradefair.com/go/join/?p=omf1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hi Marck, on 9/9/03 we wrote: AM I hate when HTML mail forces me to read it with a particular AM font and font size. MDP Precisely. D Well yes, that's precisely my point. MDP It's not. It's the opposite of your point! My point is freedom of choice D TB too makes it difficult for people to exercise the choice of D HTML over plain text, for those prefering HTML who are also D responsible users. MDP On the whole, no. Most people who write HTML mail do so to impose MDP formatting and presentation on the recipient. That is already an MDP abuse of responsibility. With respect, the way a thing is presented is never usually the responsibility of the person to whom it is presented. We are always presenting ourselves and what we do in a particular way, whether we (or anyone else) likes it or not. The power the recipient has is in choosing to receive it or not. This seems like a complex issue, and I appreciate the technical background to it, but the widespread usage and general appeal of HTML messaging means it isn't going to go away in a hurry. The more relevant question, which Allie has just alluded to, seems to me how we can make HTML-type mailing better, addressing the issues some of us have raised here. -- David Boggon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.00 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Hi Steve Saturday, September 6, 2003, 12:29:23 PM, you wrote: SMK I'm beginning to feel that the standard 30-day trial SMK period just isn't enough, and that maybe users should push for 60 to 90 days. For TB? How about one year? It might be enough :) Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
Hi Allie Thursday, September 4, 2003, 4:57:25 AM, you wrote: AM The thing with TB! is that if you wish for it to behave just like some AM of the mainstream clients, you'll get frustrated and think it's flaky. Partly. My main reason to consider it so is the bugs I've experienced and the usability lapses. Not to take anything away from TB's power - I know it has it. And it has greatly improved usability too recently, so I'm still holding out hope for it. But you do make valid points, see below :) AM The editor will drive you nuts, Check. AMthe interface may seem to be without flare AM etc. :) Check! very emphatic check. I'd love to see flat toolbars, if nothing else. AM If all you do is download mail to your inbox without much filtering, Yep. AM use AM a single signature Kind of. Most don't even have one. But I've been experimenting a little. AM and a single set of templates, Same situation as with the signatures. AM always use only the main AM window with a single address book group and no address book templates AM then TB! may not seem more useful than other solutions except from a AM security POV. Excellent roundup. I'm impressed :) You summed up my feelings very accurately. The main reason I'm sticking with TB is the security and the fact that I've got so many addresses in its address book. Plus the feeling that I know I can get this to do so much more. V Out of interest, could you list a few features of TB that you find V especially unique/indispensable/valuable? AM - TB!'s 'pesky' editor (microEd) that produces such a love/hate AM relationship among users is one. It gives me unrivaled pleasure to use AM an editor that I'm confident is *always* displaying the format of the AM message as it will be sent. Well, as it will be sent, yes. At the other (receiving) end, messages written in microEd using, say, Courier New, appear different when viewed with a default font such as Verdana. I've had problems with this. And since a number of people reading my mail use HTML viewing, and therefore usually not Courier or other fixed-width fonts, I can't be guaranteed that anything I send them will look identical on their machine. AM It's really frustrating to receive poorly AM formatted mail and the sender is unaware of this since it looked good on AM their screen before sending. Happens with TB too like I said above. AM The editor's text reflowing options also AM makes possible, what would otherwise be tedious. What do you mean by text reflowing options? Auto-format, Alt-L and the like? AM Since most of MicroEds AM actions are keyboard shortcut triggered, using it in conjunction with a AM Macro makes it a real pleasure to use and makes it possible for me to AM use it with other clients like my newsreader. This sounds interesting. Could you elaborate? Maybe an example of a macro or usage with the newsreader.. AM Quick templates are very useful in that they AM centralize your templates. What I mean here is that you may have a macro AM that you use in multiple templates in your address book or folders. You AM can create this macro as a quick template and call it in your other AM templates using the %Qinclude=quick template macro. The advantage here AM is that if you wish to modify the quick template, its modification would AM affect all templates which uses the quick template. Ah, I never really figured out what quick templates were for. This helps. AM I also use quick templates for specific things like box quoting, Ok, I've seen the box-quote QT on the site. AM pasting AM in my message blocks of text I use frequently for example, moderatorial AM stuff, Yes, seems like a useful trick. AM to manually change my signatures Now *that* I find really interesting. How do you do this - by having different quick templates for different signatures? If so, doesn't remembering all those keyboard combinations get to be a pain after a while? AM or quoting what's on the clipboard AM which is a little different from pasting as a quotation using the AM editor. Could you make this a little clearer? AM - You can browser folders in separate windows. In this way, you can AM actually be browsing multiple folders concurrently. This is impossible AM with other clients where you're bound to viewing messages only via the AM main window. It's not unusual that you'll be reading a particular AM message and then wish to review another message. With TB!, you can open AM this other message in a separate window if you like without disturbing AM where you had reached in the other message. Another useful trick. I've never used it, mainly because I'm never sure what to expect by clicking the 'next' and 'previous' buttons? What do they normally jump to? Also, you can't view the account pane in two separate windows can you? From what I've seen, it can only be visible in the main window. AM - The ticker virtual folder has profoundly changed my new mail handling AM style. The ticker virtual folder displays all
Re[4]: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Hi Jack Saturday, September 6, 2003, 10:56:16 AM, you wrote: JM Many of TB's features go unused by me because: JM 1. I don't even know some of them are there JM 2. I don't know how to put them to good use Hear hear. I'd *really* like to see some nice complicated things that people do with TB. I'm sure there are people here who can us better ways to handle our email. Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas, Monday, September 8, 2003, 12:58:21 AM, you wrote: TF I also haven't read this. Or I must be getting old - let me find my TF Gingko Biloba. Hm. Can you point me to a mid saying that anybody got TF a free key because he registered within two months from the release of TF v2? Finally after two e-mail and a phone call my new Ver 2.x serial number arrived. Thanks for every ones support. - -- Best regards, Dangermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP13jDHrWNKgp50M4EQIR8wCfeVivAFAV6n6Ca2Bk1JvcXvQwPUIAnifT ZJOQNL1AVL0tJp12biCglDPy =kRJP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 10:08:21 AM, Jamie wrote: I'm also terribly prejudiced against fonts, if you want me to think you're a 5 year old feel free to use Comic Sans, otherwise use a businesslike font. It's a pain for me to have to set things up so that stupid unreadable fonts are displayed correctly. Interesting, I happen to really dislike left/right justification of fixed-width fonts. It's very distracting to read. Actually, it's only mildly annoying, kind of like that Comic Sans, which I also dislike. The point is that different people have different preferences. I would _never_ send out a left right justified e-mail, you must think it's kind of cool. (Wrong! :) ) I like TB!'s handling of HTML e-mails where it strips out the meat of the message and ignores the rest. If I want to see the message in all its glory I click on a tab and there it is (minus the dangerous stuff). I'd still like for TB! to allow me as the end-user to select the HTML editor as my default editor. I mean. really, there is an option to turn on/off the little menu navigator thingy that I ignored for at least a year until learning to how turn it off yesterday. Can't we have one little-itty-bitty check-box that says Use HTML Editor as Default? 'Nuff said. -- Dave Kennedy Where is nroff when you need it? Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
some threads not sorted as threads
Hello, Can someone tell me wy the thread: Re[3]: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone? is not sorted as thread ? I see only 1 reference every time and the Re[x] is always incremented. I saw same fenomene in other mailing lists also with persons using The bat. -- Rgds, Wilfried http://www.mestdagh.biz Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
Hello Vishal, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 2:56:30 AM, you wrote: AM to manually change my signatures Now *that* I find really interesting. How do you do this - by having different quick templates for different signatures? Yes. If so, doesn't remembering all those keyboard combinations get to be a pain after a while? When in the mail editor, you can select the quick template from the menu as well(look in the Utilities menu for Insert Quick Template). -- Best regards, Daniel Rail Senior System Engineer ACCRA Group Inc. (www.accra.ca) ACCRA Med Software Inc. (www.filopto.com) Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hi Deborah Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 9:01:10 AM, you wrote: DW - HTML slows the recipient's computer - not always noticeably, but it DW always does. Would you elaborate on this? Rendering might be slower, but the computer as a whole? The rendering does not take up so much extra CPU power that the computer as a whole would be observed to slow down. Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[9]: Amnesty Happy ending!
Bonjour Danger, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 4:18:06 PM, j'ai pu lire: D After two emails and one phone call I received my new bat key! I'm happy for you. But I have not received any answer yet. I'll try sending one more mail, because it is about a week since my first email. Thanks for the news. -- / _.'\ \Julien RANC / _.'\ \ /_.-'\___\ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\_\ `` .- \ _/| ICQ# : 36623205 | _\___. | | / \ | |/\| |__| Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 s/n 96299A48 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Amnesty ...there is none!
Hello Danger, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 8:08:02 AM, you wrote: ,-- [ Is this really necessary to quote? ] | D Hello Danger, | | D Monday, September 8, 2003, 10:37:48 AM, you wrote: | | D Hello Danger, | | D Friday, September 5, 2003, 3:30:28 PM, you wrote: | | D Hello Christopher, | | D Friday, September 5, 2003, 2:51:12 PM, you wrote: | | CB Hi Julien, `-- moderator This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Danger. Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text. Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Invalid HTML is back (2.00.6)!
The bat does not show quoted text properly in this message by the same poster in the same NG (showing it here without boxquote! :) I know it shows correctly here, but the original message doesn't. As always, I have replaced @ with at = Path: nntp02.dk.telia.net!nf04.dk.telia.net!news103.dk.telia.net!cleanfeed.dk.telia.net!cf02.dk.telia.net!newsfeed101.telia.com!nf02.dk.telia.net!news-stoc.telia.net!news-stoa.telia.net!telia.net!nntp.inet.fi!inet.fi!fi.sn.net!newsfeed1.fi.sn.net!uio.no!uninett.no!news.opera.no!not-for-mail From: fuxs fuxs at RemoveRemove.nikocity.de Newsgroups: opera.beta Subject: Re: M2: Mailing list messages not recognised Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:37:23 +0200 Organization: none Lines: 28 Message-ID: opru8f0lo6m9a6hp at news.opera.com References: opru8bihn3kwkflp at news.opera.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.209.108.114 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: mail.opera.no 1063111050 24889 213.209.108.114 (9 Sep 2003 12:37:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet at opera.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Sep 2003 12:37:30 GMT User-Agent: Opera7.20/Win32 M2 build 3106 Xref: nntp02.dk.telia.net opera.beta:30933 To: All opera.beta Reply-To: fuxs opera.beta On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:00:07 +0200, Jor darkelf-AtSign-operamail-fullstop-com at 127.0.0.1 wrote: I am subscribed to a lot of mailing lists, many of which M2 recognises. However, almost 3/4 of the messages in my mailboxes are not associated with the list in any way: they do not show in the mailing list view, and appear in Received when I deselect 'Show mailing lists'. Is there some way I can force M2 to reindex my mailbox other than deleting my index.ini? I have over 60 views I'd rather not lose again. Rename index.ini, let M2 reindex and put the old one back. Hence you will not loose all views... But your custom views won't be reindexed. My install is 7.20 build 3106 (beta9), which was an upgrade from beta8, which was a clean install. The mails were imported by dropping the 'mail' folder from 7.11 in the 7.20b8 directory, except for the accounts.ini, index.ini files, and /index/ folder, because I wanted a fresh start. -- fuxs === -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.00.6 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HTML Spell Checker
Hello tbudl, Is it my imagination, or does the spell checker not work with the HTML editor? -- Best regards, Freddie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Invalid HTML is back (2.00.6)!
I think this may be the offending header (for the problems with marking quotes): Content-Type: (text/plain; format=flowed;)* charset=utf-8 * My parantheses. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.00.6 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Amnesty ...there is none!
Hello Danger, Monday, September 8, 2003, 10:37:48 AM, you wrote: D Hello Danger, D Friday, September 5, 2003, 3:30:28 PM, you wrote: D Hello Christopher, D Friday, September 5, 2003, 2:51:12 PM, you wrote: CB Hi Julien, Important to quote all of these to get your in-line reply in context, yes sir! -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Amnesty ...there is none!
Hello Leif, Please trim replies to context. Ooops! I should have waited before replying to Danger :( -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Invalid HTML is back (2.00.6)!
On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 17:02:19, Peter Fjelsten wrote: I think this may be the offending header (for the problems with marking quotes): This should be already known... -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ http://deepthought.ena.si/ The shortest distance between two points is under construction. -- McGregor's Revised Maxim Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Killing sobig on the server
Sunday, September 7, 2003, 2:34:06 AM, Gordon wrote: G I have been trying the Selective Download filters to avoid G downloading the SoBig infected files I've been keeping an eye on this, but haven't seen any responses. Did you figure out how to do it? -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
Hi Thomas Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 12:49:19 AM, you wrote: TF Hello Vishal, TF On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 00:34:14 -0400 GMT (09/09/2003, 11:34 +0700 GMT), TF Vishal wrote: It can check email automatically? No need to press Alt+F2? It looks like everyone who can do this properly is not running Win2k..connection somewhere? TF Account / Properties / Options / Periodical Check every xx Minutes. That's what my original post was about. ZA doesn't allow this to happen. Only manual mail checks using alt-F2 or the 'check mail' button work. Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hi Marck Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 9:11:20 AM, you wrote: D Hmmm. While some people who use HTML mail may abuse it, it is the D spammers etc themselves who are at fault, not HTML, I think. MDP That is not correct. The fault lies in the ability to write MDP over-formatted messages. I think it *is* correct. The ability is not at fault. If someone chooses to take it over the edge, that's his prerogative, and his fault, not the system's. HTML provides a capability - either use it or abuse it. That said, I'm a fan of plain text email myself. Most tasks can be accomplished easily with it and it definitely seems cleaner. Very rarely do I see the need for HTMl mail. The only reason I'd want to do something like that would be to change the font to, say, Verdana which has great on-screen legibility. Nothing outlandish. Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Broken threads and general threading question
Hi Jeffrey Monday, September 8, 2003, 1:30:46 PM, you wrote: JAS I notice that many of the threads in this group end up broken. This JAS seems especially obvious when The Bat! is threading based upon JAS reference (Alt-1). I would have thought that since the bulk of us are JAS using The Bat!, we would be able to maintain a consistent thread. Yes, same problem here. And no it shouldn't be a fastmail problem as you mentioned elsewhere since I don't use it. Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
Hi tracer Monday, September 8, 2003, 9:01:52 PM, you wrote: t There was a problem in the past that in Zonealarm you had to make the t internet connection itself trusted. Ridiculous. And this has been fixed, you say? t Due to a very flakey connection I see not all posts or see them very t late but on MY system, not this crummy box I use I have latest ZA 4 t PRO, with latest bat and essentially havent had any nproblems during a t year. t Before that there was a known zonealarm problem as mentioned above, t not the bat... I wonder what the problem is then. I tried BlackICE last night and automatic mail checks *still* don't work for me. I've asked Allie about it since he uses BlackICE too - let's see what happens. t AV shouldnt matter, I use F-secure as Norton and Mcafee are useless.. How do you figure that? Norton, Symantec and F-Secure all have Virus Bulletin's approval. I'm sure you know what that means since VB is widely acknowledged as the world's best name in this field along with ICSA. Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
Hi Daniel Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 10:40:14 AM, you wrote: Now *that* I find really interesting. How do you do this - by having different quick templates for different signatures? DR Yes. If so, doesn't remembering all those keyboard combinations get to be a pain after a while? DR When in the mail editor, you can select the quick template from the DR menu as well(look in the Utilities menu for Insert Quick Template). Idon't see such an option. I remember seeing it in 1.62r though. TB doesn't require you to actually *have* any quick templates before displaying the option, does it? I don't have any. Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: some threads not sorted as threads
Hallo Wilfried, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:16:54 +0200GMT (9-9-03, 16:16 +0200, where I live), you wrote: WM Can someone tell me wy the thread: Re[3]: zonealarm and automatic mail checks WM - works for anyone? is not sorted as thread ? I see only 1 reference every WM time and the Re[x] is always incremented. I'm viewing threads by references and the whole thread is threaded as one. As can be seen in: www.krakeel.cistron.nl\thread.jpg Only reason I can imagine it isn't threaded at your place is that you're purging your messages too soon. WM I saw same fenomene in other mailing lists also with persons using The bat. Only times I encounter messages from TB that don't thread properly is when they're posted by someone who's reading that list in a (non-mime) digest format or when the list server sends different message-ID's to every subscriber. (Yep, there are list servers that carry that 'feature') -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Spell Checker
Hallo Freddie, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:03:46 -0700GMT (9-9-03, 17:03 +0200, where I live), you wrote: FF Is it my imagination, No. FF or does the spell checker not work with the HTML editor? -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: some threads not sorted as threads
Hi Roelof Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 11:39:58 AM, you wrote: WM Can someone tell me wy the thread: Re[3]: zonealarm and automatic mail checks WM - works for anyone? is not sorted as thread ? I see only 1 reference every WM time and the Re[x] is always incremented. RO I'm viewing threads by references and the whole thread is threaded as RO one. As can be seen in: www.krakeel.cistron.nl\thread.jpg RO Only reason I can imagine it isn't threaded at your place is that you're RO purging your messages too soon. I'm having the same problem. I don't purge the messages, but I do delete them quickly. I also have it set to delete from server, but it doesn't always do that. Does that help you any? I've never used the purge option. Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message list headings
Hello Allie, TB! has supported a column that displays the message colour group for quite some time now. Please take a look at: http://perso.wanadoo.es/murech/threads.htm Does this happen also on V2.0? Thanks. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Amnesty ...there is none!
Hello Danger, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 10:11:37 AM, you wrote: D Sorry Leif I was overcome with Joy. No problem. It happens to all of us! grin -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Amnesty ...there is none!
Hello Leif, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 10:54:13 AM, you wrote: Sorry Leif I was overcome with Joy. -- Best regards, Dangermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hi Dhrakol, @9-Sep-2003, 11:03 -0400 (16:03 UK time) Vishal [D] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: D Hmmm. While some people who use HTML mail may abuse it, it is D the spammers etc themselves who are at fault, not HTML, I D think. MDP That is not correct. The fault lies in the ability to write MDP over-formatted messages. D I think it *is* correct. You believe the statement HTML spam is the reason that HTML mail is despised is correct? Surely not! D The ability is not at fault. I didn't say it was. The ability to *write over-formatted messages* - thus to *use* the facility /freely/ - is at fault, not the ability itself - the provision of the facility. The selective quote is leading to a misunderstanding. I should probably have made myself clearer. D If someone chooses to take it over the edge, that's his D prerogative, and his fault, not the system's. That's a paraphrase of what I actually said. Although I don't consider it his prerogative, since his intent is to impose it on me. There is a responsibility issue there. D HTML provides a capability - either use it or abuse it. The problem is that more abuse than use, when even just the use is widely unwelcome. Widely? Well, ISTM the truth of the matter is the vast majority are *completely indifferent* on this issue - they use OE - it gives them HTML - they use it and have no idea whether they like to or not. Of those expressing a preference you will find the majority of them *against* the indiscriminate use of HTML in email. D That said, I'm a fan of plain text email myself. Most tasks can D be accomplished easily with it and it definitely seems cleaner. Precisely. D Very rarely do I see the need for HTMl mail. As I have already said, I have had such occasion myself. But that's one mail in maybe a couple of hundred. D The only reason I'd want to do something like that would be to D change the font to, say, Verdana which has great on-screen D legibility. Nothing outlandish. I would never do that. The person receiving my message has a favourite reading font. They have told their mail program Display my incoming mail in this way. Note: My incoming mail. Not Your message. Once he's received it, it's his, to view as he considers optimal. That's the main point that HTML mail (oxymoron) ignores. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE:HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello Dave, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 4:31:02 PM, you wrote: I'd still like for TB! to allow me as the end-user to select the HTML editor as my default editor. I mean. really, there is an option to turn on/off the little menu navigator thingy that I ignored for at least a year until learning to how turn it off yesterday. Can't we have one little-itty-bitty check-box that says Use HTML Editor as Default? 'Nuff said. I would also like an option to choose which editor is to be used (HTML or not), but not as a 'default for everything' editor, rather I'd like to see that in my address book. I have some family members I always write in HTML, since they like doing the same, and when I send serious mail, usually I wouldn't want to send HTML, so just a general default wouldn't help me one bit. But a per address book entry setting would be great! _If someone from Ritlabs is reading my 2 cents: Can't we have that???_ About everyone screaming about HTML mail, I don't really get that. Like, especially from us BAT users! TB is stripping the HTML mail of anything bad, I thought? Linked images and other stuff like that doesn't work here anyway. I'd say no one (or at least only very few) wants THAT much of HTML. What we want is to have the ability to choose the color, style, background, font, and add pictures WITHIN the text. As with everything, it's a question of how it's used, and certainly there will always be the guys that add purple background with violet clouds to the pinkish text! Certainly there will always be specialists that will have animated background even. But I'd expect that to be sorted out rather quickly (DEL key is never that far). It's just that I don't like to see how something, that is (not necessary, but) nice has to be abolished, because of those few jerks. It should be a free choice, and all the negative fallout that *might* happen can be sorted out. After all, I *can* already switch manually to HTML, add all the nasty things, ugly font, disgusting colors, and a tasteless background, and mail that to you guys via this mailing list. The point is, if something *is* already there, and it *can* be useful, why forbid it? If someone is so eager to send _you_ a 'vomit-mail' (TM), and the Bat doesn't allow it, then this someone will happily switch to Incredimail (TM, too ;-), and then what did we win? We are still restricted (and I think we are mostly reasonable guys anyway), and the tasteless guys are NOT restricted! -- Regards, Jurgen It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind. For men it's called lying. Using The Bat! v2.00.6 http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/index.html Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Invalid HTML is back (2.00.6)!
Hello Jernej, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:13:40 +0200 GMT (09/09/2003, 22:13 +0700 GMT), Jernej Simoni wrote: I think this may be the offending header (for the problems with marking quotes): This should be already known... Yes, it has been reported, and once again I confirm that the message displays (without an error), but in the RTV instead of a plain text. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The difference between a king and a president is that a king is the son of his father but a president is not. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello David, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:17:11 +0100 GMT (09/09/2003, 21:17 +0700 GMT), David Boggon wrote: MDP It's not. It's the opposite of your point! My point is freedom of choice Your choice is costing me money. But I'm still lucky; the days of paying extremely high prices per minute of internet online time at 33K modem speed with unreliable connections are finally over, the internet has become affordable in Thailand. Nevertheless, a mail in HTML is 2-3 times bigger than a plain text mail, and I have got 56K speed on my modem only recently. But my friend is in Mozambique, and if his internet connection wasn't on company cost... If you send messages only to countries in which broadband flatrates are the norm, I don't care (except that HTML mails are ugly, and if there is no formatting on your side, I really don't see any point at all. And if you choose to highlight in pink with a yellow background, I won't be able to reply before puking). But only a minority of internet users has broadband anyway. so why do you advocate HTML mails? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. 10. A computer program will always do what you tell it to do, but rarely what you want it to do. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Broken threads and general threading question
Hi Vishal, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:19:54 -0400 you wrote: V Yes, same problem here. And no it shouldn't be a fastmail problem as you V mentioned elsewhere since I don't use it. Good to hear that someone else is seeing it with The Bat!. I think that Thomas' point was that it was our providers fault. He indicated that the delay in receipt is breaking the threads. If you are using myrealbox.com, I have heard that they are having terrible issues lately. Not totally sure what is causing it at this point, but the provider idea might have some merit. Jeff -- Jeffrey A. Shumway Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: something wrong with thebat tech mailing list?
Hello Marck, MDP It's working just fine. I saw your posts there. It's just a low MDP traffic list. Thank you. Do you think I should repost it here ? I hade the impression this list was more for _use_ problems, the other one more for _tech_ problems. If that's right, then I should not repost here of course. -- Rgds, Wilfried http://www.mestdagh.biz Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam
Hello tracer, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 07:42:53 +0700 GMT (09/09/2003, 07:42 +0700 GMT), tracer wrote: Now incase anyone wonders why it says I am thomas as registered user, Nobody is seeing this, unless he hits alt-F1 on your computer. Happy to see that you have gotten granis to work again. But why do you use TB RC1 instead of v2.00.6? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Bei Vollmond spricht man nicht. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
Hello Vishal, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:06:30 -0400 GMT (09/09/2003, 22:06 +0700 GMT), Vishal wrote: TF Account / Properties / Options / Periodical Check every xx Minutes. That's what my original post was about. ZA doesn't allow this to happen. Only manual mail checks using alt-F2 or the 'check mail' button work. Isn't that an indicator that ZA has outlived its usefulness? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I earn a seven-figure salary. Unfortunately, there's a decimal point involved. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML in the editor
Hello Marek, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:59:15 +0200 GMT (09/09/2003, 16:59 +0700 GMT), Marek Mikus wrote: yes, BT is up and running. Hm. I tried to report a bug and got this message: Maintenance Time - 07 Sep 2003 04:17 - ray Bughtracker will be offline for maintenance from 4:30 CDT (11:30 GMT) some hours -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Pray: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. (Ambrose Bierce) Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: some threads not sorted as threads
Hallo Vishal, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:55:43 -0400GMT (9-9-03, 17:55 +0200, where I live), you wrote: V I'm having the same problem. I don't purge the messages, but I do delete them V quickly. That amounts to the same. When you delete messages from the beginning of a thread, the rest won't thread properly. They will appear as separate thread, because the root they ought to have in common is gone. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hi Thomas, on 9/9/03 you wrote: My point is freedom of choice TF Your choice is costing me money. And exactly how much extra is it costing you? TF so why do you advocate HTML mails? I never said I did. -- David Boggon [EMAIL PROTECTED] The UN estimates that the world's poorest countries are denied $700 billion because of unfair trade rules. (source: Christian Aid) http://kickaas.typepad.com http://www.maketradefair.com Using The Bat! 2.00 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Odd mini Bat2 Bug with window minimisation
Dear Bats Here is an odd bug. Can anyone verify. I have the bat set to minimise to the taskbar (rather than the system tray) although I doubt this makes a difference. The standard windows keyboard shortcut for minimising all open windows in Winkey-M. All programs I have except the Bat main window respond to this. Open messages in separate windows do respond. Irritates me a bit. Mark Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
It seems that David Boggon said ... TF Your choice is costing me money. D And exactly how much extra is it costing you? Does it matter? Doing something that you know costs someone else money is rude, even if it's no more than one cent. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 9/9/2003 at 1:50 PM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: Bureaucrat, n.: A person who cuts red tape sideways. Featured speaker at PowerPoint Live - Tucson, Arizona October 12-15, 2003 - http://www.pptlive.com/ Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
P Oh, I can't do that here... Eh? -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:56:15 PM (GMT -05:00) RE: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone? Greetings Thomas, On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 1:31:19 PM, you wrote: TF Account / Properties / Options / Periodical Check every xx Minutes. That's what my original post was about. ZA doesn't allow this to happen. Only manual mail checks using alt-F2 or the 'check mail' button work. Thomas Isn't that an indicator that ZA has outlived its usefulness? I use ZonaeAlarm Pro 4 here with e-mail checking on and The_Bat! polls at it's expected intervals. Anyway ... - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. Where there's a will, there's an attorney. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 9.0b1 Comment: KeyID: 0xECFE3F95 Comment: Fingerprint: 8ABE 6728 1CB9 E231 B2C8 C29D BC22 D3D1 ECFE 3F95 iQA/AwUBP14Unrwi09Hs/j+VEQLuRQCfd+ISrZbmfADdX1U/n+h1WAoYi3sAnjwp W8SB1i6vMo1cQsK4KIG5Bj55 =CP5G -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Odd mini Bat2 Bug with window minimisation
--- Original Message From: Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday September 09 2003 10:51AM PT M Here is an odd bug. Can anyone verify. M I have the bat set to minimise to the taskbar (rather than the M system tray) although I doubt this makes a difference. M The standard windows keyboard shortcut for minimising all open M windows in Winkey-M. All programs I have except the Bat main M window respond to this. Open messages in separate windows do M respond. Irritates me a bit. I've noticed something similar, and it was present in 1.6x and still present in 2.0. I noticed when I minimize or restore The Bat! window, I don't get the associated Windows system sound. I think they might do something different or funky with minimize and restore. -MikeD Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 5:09:16 AM, Vishal wrote: V It's all part of another problem I was having with some messages V being delayed a lot before arriving here. I got her reply to you V before your original message. Seems that there's a lot of messages being affected that way - I keep seeing replies before the originals as well - and messages arrive in big batches after hours of nothing but one or two... crazy! V Are you using Win98/Me? Yes Win98SE, and the ZoneAlarm is ZA Pro v4.0.123.012 V Yep. I even tried adding my mail servers to the Trusted zone but it didn't work. Shouldn't need to do that... just as a thought - if you're using ZA4 I wonder if it's the Program Control settings causing the problem...? On the Control Centre window click on the Program Control option and then the Program tab on the right and there's a list of Programs with their permissions... these can be Allow (tick) Block (X) Ask (?) - what settings are shown there for TB!? V Check at startup. Periodic checking every 8 minutes. That should do for TB! so it must be a ZA problem not a TB! problem (she said stating the obvious! ;-) -- Cheers, Anne Flying high with The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply template oddity - any thoughts please?
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 5:48:33 AM, Alexander wrote: A ... I may not be of help with the initial problem (which looks incomplete A HTML filtering to me since the TITLE tag itself is filtered while its A contents remain)... Yes but is that a TB! bug or something to do with the generating Outlook do you think? A ...but I think it would be a wise idea to not put the original quotes A *under* the sigdash, as it is in the template now. :) Agreed but that is his choice... ;-) -- Cheers, Anne Flying high with The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 4:16:21 PM, Vishal wrote: t There was a problem in the past that in Zonealarm you had to make the t internet connection itself trusted. V Ridiculous. And this has been fixed, you say? Yes this is no longer the case in ZA4 - internet connections go in the Internet zone not the Trusted zone - I think it was only in ZA3 that this happened - it certainly didn't in ZA2.6 which is what I used before switching recently to ZA4. It was because of the above that I wouldn't use ZA3 at all. -- Cheers, Anne Flying high with The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The URL prefix
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 11:20:33 AM, Mark wrote: MA But if it is sent in this format URL:http://foobar.com then it is MA not. Even if it's not clickable, if you highlight the URL - the http://foobar.com bit only - and right click there's an entry in the context menu that says Open URL - select that to open the URL anyhow.. works for me - I use this quite a bit. -- Cheers, Anne Flying high with The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply template oddity - any thoughts please?
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 12:00:56 PM, Coyle306 wrote: C I've noticed the same thing when I reply in plain text to an html C message. Message appears at the very beginning of the quoted C original message text. Is this a bug that needs reporting then? -- Cheers, Anne Flying high with The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
