Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)
Dwight Corrin wrote: DC On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, Volker Ahrendt wrote: Why should I not move parked messages and keep the Parked flag? DC You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It DC would be like having a door locked and open it the same time. I think what people, myself included, are looking for is something like the Agent newsreader's Keep flag which just prevents against accidental deletion/purging. Just because I want to protect a message doesn't mean I don't want to organize it. The Park flag is especially ill-suited for this as currently implemented. -- George Using The Bat! 4.0.16.2 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting office filter for GTD
Andrew Diederich wrote: AD I'm trying to build a set of filters to better track emails I'm AD waiting to get an answer back. I currently have a folder AD @WAITING FOR that I copy things from my sent folder, or drag AD emails I've forwarded to someone else to work on (delegated). Another approach is to use a Virtual/Chat/Watch Replies folder to track such emails. Create a new Chat folder somewhere convenient and call it 'Waiting For Reply' or whatever. Then, for each email you want to track, select it and from either the main or context menu choose 'Specials-Watch Replies In' and you should see a flyout with your new Chat folder. Select it and the email should show up in the Chat folder. Any replies to it should automagically appear there too. Note that the menu is a toggle. To remove an email from the watch folder, select the email and untick that folder from the 'Watch Replies In' menu. This approach is nice because you don't have to move or copy the emails anywhere special - just file them wherever you normally would. -- George Using The Bat! 3.98.3 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Subfilters
Marek Mikus wrote: MM Saturday, February 17, 2007, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: MAU provided a very descriptive bugreport of the problem: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4021 - unfortunately, it is set to verify fail which means that RL can't reproduce the error... ?! MM verify fail means, that Ritlabs fixed it, but reporter/updater failed to MM verify this bugfix, so this is correct status. On this particular one, multiple people have verified it as *not* fixed, going back close to two years now. One gets the impression that there are bugs RITLabs has no intention of fixing. IMHO this is one they should look at. It's a pretty basic feature that simply doesn't work and is reproducible. It comes up on these lists often enough that it's clear folks are affected by it. -- George Using The Bat! 3.95.2 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys (was: bat and router)
Mary Bull wrote: MB So I hope the upcoming release will fix your txt2html.regexps MB function, since it seemed to be associated with the Smiley-display MB malfunction. I was waiting for them to fix the crash on exit before I tried the latest beta. I grabbed it last night and the images do indeed work again. Unfortunately, I just had a crash on exit so I'll probably go back to the version I was on before. My unattended backup process shuts down TB! and a crash on exit would likely mess that process up. -- George Using The Bat! 3.96.03 (BETA) on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys (was: bat and router)
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK on Friday, January 26, 2007 at 00:19 you (George Mitchell) wrote: I'm using the txt2html.regexps trick to turn some external image links into links to images on my hard drive. This quit working along with the smileys, so it's not just the .msl mechanism that broke. ASK I'm using the txt2html.regexps to render text styles *bold* etc., ASK and its still working, just like the smilies. I wasn't very clear. I didn't mean to say that txt2html.regexps wasn't working - it's still converting the external links to local ones. It's those local links that no longer work, just like the smileys. It shows the Alt text in a box. -- George Using The Bat! 3.95.2 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Code 2 wrote: snip C2 ...a situation could arise where I receive an infected e-mail C2 which NOD32's IMON module does not yet recognize (as happened to C2 me last week with the Fuclip.A worm). That infected e-mail would C2 sit undiscovered in my inbox despite several NOD32 on-demand C2 scans. Since NOD32's IMON module does not scan outgoing mail, I C2 could unwittingly forward it to, and infect, an unsuspecting C2 recipient. I've disabled the POP3 checking in IMON and use the NOD32 Plugin for TB!: http://ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/plugin/plugins.php With the Plugin there's an option to scan outgoing mail. Plus, you can initiate an on-demand scan from within TB!. If it all works as advertised, the Plugin seems like a pretty good way to go. -- George Using The Bat! 3.95.2 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Code 2 wrote: C2 You're right, George, we can use the plug-in to scan outgoing C2 mail. I notice that the plug-in is a test version (version 0.1) C2 and appears to have been developed several years ago for NOD32 C2 version 1. The plug-in seems to work with NOD32 version 2.7 C2 except it generates unexplained, periodic bong noises. Is there C2 a newer version. No idea. I got my version from a link someone posted on one of these lists a while back and it works fine (though I think I had to restart TB! and maybe my system before it worked right). I'm not sure what version it is - from within TB! the plugin displays the latest virus signature db version as the version. The .bav file was created on Jul 02, 2004 and was digitally signed by Ritlabs on that date. FWIW, I appear to have v2.51.26 of NOD32. C2 While the plug-in helps fill the gap, we still have the problem with C2 NOD232 being unable to scan our messages.tbb files. Since the plugin will catch a virus coming, going, or when I try to do anything with it I guess I don't see that as a problem. In fact, it seems like I'd just have to exclude those files from NOD32's view so it didn't freak out in cases where the plugin had it handled. That said, it does worry me a bit that the plugin doesn't seem to be getting updated. I'd probably focus my energies on making sure someone's gonna keep that going rather than adding the ability to scan TB!'s .tbb files. -- George Using The Bat! 3.95.2 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys (was: bat and router)
Mary Bull wrote: Does that one work and it's just the uber common smileys that got the different look? MB None of them work. Neither the PCWIZE collection nor the DEFAULT MB collection. MB It's as if the .msl's ability to call the image were broken. I think that's it exactly. My guess would be that smileys breaking is the result of a half-finished feature. I'm using the txt2html.regexps trick to turn some external image links into links to images on my hard drive. This quit working along with the smileys, so it's not just the .msl mechanism that broke. If Ritlabs is really working on enabling selected external image links, perhaps smileys will resume working when they're done. Strange they've been silent on this topic. -- George Using The Bat! 3.95.2 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail ticker
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Shame the ticker cannot monitor virtual folders... ASK I asked for that on TBBETA a while ago but got no response. ASK msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ASK Seems like its not so important. I'd like that. That and/or a Show on Ticker filter action. -- George Using The Bat! 3.95.2 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Organizing Filters
MFPA wrote: M (Using v3.80.06) I have a (recently-created) subfilter that is M misbehaving in that it is triggered regardless of whether the M condition for its parent is met. M Any ideas? Is it a common filter? I'm pretty sure this bug isn't fixed yet: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4021 -- George Using The Bat! 3.95.2 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: html fonts resize
Gunivortus Goos wrote: GG my e-zines are coming in in html, that's a must, 'cause they weren't readable when they're displayed in text-only. GG But the fontsize of the zines is so damm small, is it possible to get GG the fontsize of html messages get resized while tossing? Possibly, if you're willing to enable smileys (and depending on what you mean by tossing). It's an undocumented feature of The Bat! that it will look for and parse a file named txt2html.regexps in TB!'s program directory. That file can contain a list of regular expression search items and their replacement values. TB! will apply these replacements to any message body it displays. For details of that file see the thread at: http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg92290.html This only works in the rich text/HTML viewer and only if you have smileys enabled. So, if you can find the font specifications in the raw HTML of your e-zines you can probably devise txt2html.regexps entries to replace them with more readable values. It could be something as simple as: (?i)font-size: 8px=font-size: 12px though you'd probably want to make it more robust than that. It's possible that you can't devise a specific enough RegExp to alter your e-zines without screwing up other unrelated emails, but that seems unlikely. I know this method works generally because I'm using it to alter some HTML emails I receive. If this isn't enough to get you going but you want to give it a try, I'd be happy to try to help. Folks that know regular expressions better than I do will probably chip in as well. We'd need to see specific font specifications from the raw HTML. -- George Using The Bat! 3.85.03 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: html fonts resize
Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Put your cursor in the mail and hit crtl+. This will increase TF the size. Well. That's much easier than what I proposed. I actually tried variations like that but they don't work on my laptop. Unless I hold the Function key and use the numeric keypad equivalents. Which it never occurs to me to do. Reverting to lurk mode... -- George Using The Bat! 3.85.03 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: txt2html.regexps
Konrad Szkudlarczyk wrote: KS Since a few days Alexander S. Kunz and me exchanging mails about KS file txt2html.regexps and undocumented feature in The Bat!. Wow, this is the coolest TB! trick I've seen in a good long while. Thanks to all for your efforts on this. I found I was also able to use it in one specific case as a workaround for TB!'s current inability to display external images. I get weather forecasts emailed to me and the forecasts include links to images representing the forecast conditions. Seeing the images makes it a lot easier to see at a glance what's coming (although here in San Diego county there are few weather surprises). Since the set of possible images is small it was easy to download them all to a local subdirectory, and I added the following line to txt2html.regexps: (?i)img src.http:\/\/icons\.wunderground\.com\/graphics\/conds\/2005\/([a-z_\.]+)[^]*=a href=#internal_img#img src=.\wunderground\\1 alt=\1/a TB! takes the first equal sign as the end of the regexp, hence the . to represent it. In testing this I also discovered that TB! appears to read and parse this file before it displays each message, so it isn't necessary to close and restart TB!; just select a different message. -- George Using The Bat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Good Concept for manipulating a message with one keystroke
Martin Schuster wrote: MS Problem #2: The filter has a subfilter. When I assign a keystroke MS to the filter the subfilter also gets executed. Is it a common filter? If so, subfilters won't work right: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4021 -- George Using The Bat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter: Add Block?
Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF The only way I can think of is adding a subfilter to all (over TF 100) common filters. That isn't practical. It's good you're leaning away from a solution that involves common subfilters, since it probably wouldn't work: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4021 -- George Using The Bat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Aletrnatives to AVG?
Jack S. LaRosa wrote: JSL Which makes me wonder... Anybody know a way to test the JSL functionality of whatever AV is being used? There's the eicar virus test files: http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm There used to be a web site where you could go to get a variety of harmless security tests emailed to you to test your email client's vulnerability, but I don't seem to have the link handy. Maybe someone here knows? -- George Using The Bat! 3.70.07 Qigong (Beta) on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A QT inside a QT
Robert D. wrote: RD Recently, Alexander S. Kunz squawked: You can't use TBs macros in cookies, RD :cry: You can do it with the %Eval macro from MyMacros, available at: http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mymacros/ I use it for exactly what you want to do: %Eval(%Cookie(%MailDir\TagLines.txt)) -- George Using The Bat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Please has someone got the energy to settle this?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aacu I can use the Tools-Import sequence to manually import files, aacu but this doesn't work. aacu C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /IMPORTU=AK Info;F=Inbox;I=C:\Temp\Message2Edit.msg The account name has a space, so I think it needs to be quoted. Try: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /IMPORTU=AK Info;F=Inbox;I=C:\Temp\Message2Edit.msg -- George Using The Bat! 3.61.11 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Please has someone got the energy to settle this?
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK I would think that everything after /IMPORTU= is *one* parameter (that TB ASK internally divides at the ; char) so, if the parameter contains a space, ASK the entire string should be in quotes. ASK C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /IMPORTU=AK Info;F=Inbox;I=C:\Temp\Message2Edit.msg I suspect in that case TB! would interpret the entire quoted string as the account name with no other parameters specified. The help file seems pretty clear about the syntax: ,- [ From the help file ] | Examples of the use of the /IMPORT command: | | /IMPORTU=My account 1;FOLDER=Friends and relatives\Sam;IN=C:\InFiles\Sam\*.MSG | | /IMPORTF=\\My account 1\Business\Unsorted;UNIX;FILE=C:\InFiles\Unsorted\*.mbx;READ `- -- George Using The Bat! 3.61.11 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Account Log
Robert D. wrote: RD Was wondering if I am crazy You should probably see a professional about this. RD ...take a look at any Account Log ctrl-shift a snip RD Well, I am nutso because I've tried, for Clear, control-e; Alt-e; RD control-Alt+Shift+Spin-my-charWave Wizards Wand at Grue, and they are RD never activated It looks like the keyboard commands are being processed by TB!'s main window. For me, Alt+H when the log window has focus switches to the main window and brings up the Help menu. -- George Using The Bat! 3.61.11 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is there a VAT field in The Bat! v3.5 Addressbook
qe3ee wrote: q In New Message i pasted: q %QInclude(ab_memo_item,VAT,) So you want to use the VAT info in the body of outgoing messages, correct? Try putting: %QInclude(ab_memo_item,VAT,)%- in a QT called vat. Then compose a message to someone who you've added the vat item to the AB memo. In the body of the email type vat (without the quotes) and press Ctrl+Space. The vat should be replaced by the value of the memo item. If this works, then you can add this to the appropriate message templates if you want to automatically generate output. What is the output you're looking for? q In memo I pasted the VAT number and the VAT=yes code: VAT, q SE1234567890 (not a real VATnumber) Are you going to want to use the VAT number programmatically as well? q I would be most greatful if this could be practicaly usable. Hopefully we can get it working. Unfortunately, I don't have a v2 TB! handy to test with so if there are v2 vs. v3 differences it could get sticky. -- George Using The Bat! 3.60.03 Forerunner (Beta) on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is there a VAT field in The Bat! v3.5 Addressbook
qe3ee wrote: q A small question: Is there a VAT field in The Bat! v3.5 q Addressbook snip q OR is there a smart way to create new formfields in the addressbook? You could always use the address book memo field. If you need to access the value programmatically, the following QT might help. I *think* it uses a syntax available in v2, but I'm not 100% sure. This QT is a generalization of a technique I saw used by Robin Anson. It allows you to specify INI file like key/value pairs in the AB memo field. In your case, you might have a line like: VAT=yes It can occur anywhere in the field - I put them at the end. The QT to access it is as follows (call it ab_memo_item): %Rem( Usage: %QInclude(ab_memo_item,item_name,default_value))%- %- %SetPattRegExp((?im)^%_1\s*=\s*(.*?)\s*$)%- %RegExpBlindMatch(%ABToMemo)%- %_ABI_Value=%SubPatt(1)%- %If:%_ABI_Value%- :%_ABI_Value%- :%_2%- To get the value, you could use something like: %QInclude(ab_memo_item,VAT,) or %QInclude(ab_memo_item,VAT,no) As written, the QT uses the AB entry for the To field of new messages or replies. You might have to change the ABToMemo to something else to use it in another context. I use this technique to customize my signature for certain individuals. My Friends AB group message templates contain the line: %QInclude(%QInclude(ab_memo_item,sig,default_sig))%- I have a QT called default_sig that contains my normal signature. For any individual I want to use a different signature for, I include a line in the memo field of that person's AB entry that names a specific signature QT, such as: sig=tagline_sig I hope this makes sense. -- George Using The Bat! 3.60.02 Forerunner (Beta) on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter processing
Robin Anson wrote: RA 14/06/2005, 09:16:48: FETCH - Received message from monzon_car [EMAIL PROTECTED], size: 4011 bytes, subject: [EDI-L] Help on 810 Version 5010 RA 14/06/2005, 09:16:48: FETCH - received message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (4011 bytes) (processed by ACPL (Popfile), ACPL (Popfile), ACPL (Popfile), EDI-L), URL: RA msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] RA What is it that would have caused the ACPL (Popfile) filter to be RA applied 3 times? A bug. In 3.0.1.33 every time you modify a common filter, it triggers an additional time. That was fixed by 3.0.2.8. -- George Using The Bat! 3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] An image catalogue app with VF ???
Martin Schuster wrote: MS Sorry for this clearly 90% OT post, but I was searching the web up MS and down for an image catalogue application that works just as MS perfectly as the virtual folders in the bat: MS - Mark some folders on the harddrive as watched MS - Specify some IPTC or EXIF fields in the images as filter (most MS needed would of course be the IPTC Keywords) MS - As result see only those images in a thumbnail view that match the MS settings MS Maybe someone found something like this? Thanks for any hints... I don't know if it will do exactly what you want, but you might want to check out IMatch: http://photools.com/products.php Not cheap, but very powerful. -- George Using The Bat! 3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal for spam filters
Steve Lee wrote: SL In order to easily identify emails from this group trapped in our SL spam filters can all subject fields please be prefixed with [The SL Bat!] if you have control over the emailer software used? Please, no. IMO it's a waste of horizontal space. There are plenty of headers that can be used to positively identify list mails. -- George Using The Bat! 3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mailwasher Pro
Mica Mijatovic wrote: MM I mean, I can't see what's wrong if you delete automatically *all* MM SPAM right from the server, without doing anything else, including MM the rummage over and over over downloaded garbage, in order to MM possibly find a misinterpreted jewel. (-: My take on spam filtering is that it is unacceptable for me to lose a single legitimate message to an overeager filter. POPFile rarely misclassifies a legitimate message as spam, but it does happen. I gave BayesFilter about a week, and it didn't do a very good job at all. No way would I trust it to make a decision to delete a message. -- George Using The Bat! 3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mailwasher Pro
Mica Mijatovic wrote: MM I may affirm too, that K9 is really fine and effective, but am MM just wandering why people use any additional software for such MM purpose, when TB already has very good filtering means. Flexibility. I played with BayesFilter for about a week, and as I recall my only options for spam were to delete them or move them to a Junk Mail folder. With POPFile, I have filters set up such that if I get a message from a contact of mine that's misidentified as spam, it ends up in the correct folder for that contact (mailing list, etc.) but with a struck-through font in the message list. This greatly reduces the chances I'll overlook such a message, but makes it obvious it was misclassified. -- George Using The Bat! 3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Common vs account filters
Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF So I have a problem. You need two accounts to reproduce this: snip TF The message will end up in the main account (that's correct) but the TF filter in the sub account (assinging the colour group) will be TF ignored. This is confirmed by the log file, even though the common TF filter moving the message has Continue Processing... checked. I just replicated this as carefully as I could, and it works as expected. The message is moved to a folder in account A by a common filter, and then assigned a color group by an account B filter. I'm at a loss. You've already answered just about all the questions I could think to ask. You don't indicate what version of TB! you're using, but a message from a few days ago indicates you're on 3.0.2.4. I know at least one common filter bug has been fixed without being mentioned in the release notes, but I don't remember when. If you're brave you could try the latest. -- George Using The Bat! 3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Common vs account filters
Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:58:39 -0800 GMT (24/12/2004, 01:58 +0700 TF GMT), George Mitchell wrote: GM I just replicated this as carefully as I could, and it works as GM expected. TF You mean it the message was colour-coded? (Not sure whether you mean TF you expected it to be coded or not.) Yes, it was assigned the specified color group. GM The message is moved to a folder in account A by a common filter, TF The message first arrived in account B and was then moved by common TF filter to account A, right? Yes. GM I know at least one common filter bug has been fixed without GM being mentioned in the release notes, but I don't remember when. GM If you're brave you could try the latest. TF No betas in the office, thanks. ;-) Smart move! TF I will post my previous message on TBBETA, and if it gets confirmed TF there, will open a bugreport. Can you reproduce the problem at home with 3.0.2.4? -- George Using The Bat! 3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %Account question
Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF I understand that if I move a mail by way of common filter and TF then apply a colour group in the account filter, this should work. TF The idea is to sort the mail into common folders, but indicate by TF colour group which account they were originally sent to. This TF should work, shouldn't it? If you change the common filters to allow subsequent filters to execute, you can move the message again with the account filters instead of assigning a color group. That may do what you originally wanted, though in a somewhat back-asswards fashion. I just tried a double move with filters and it seems to work. Hmmm, that technique may solve a problem of mine... -- George Using The Bat! 3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anyone Use this?
Darrin Rich wrote: DR http://www.lkcc.org:8500/index.php I just found it reading other DR articles. Trying to figure out what to use. I tried it and wasn't that impressed. I'm a long time user of POPFile, and thought I'd give one of the plug-ins a try. I tried Bayes Filter with Bayesian filtering and DNS blacklists enabled. My problem with Bayes Filter specifically is that it wasn't that accurate. I tried it for about a week, and it never detected more than about 80% of my spam. It *was* good at identifying non-spam. I seeded it with the recommended number of spam/hams, and from that point just trained on error. After a few days it seemed to plateau, and wasn't getting any better. In fact, it was gradually starting to identify more non-spam email as spam. My problem with the anti-spam plug-ins in general is that they don't offer the flexibility of a proxy like POPFile or K9. The proxies write a header field, and you then have the full power of TB!'s filters to deal with spam. -- George Using The Bat! 3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %Account question
Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:04:49 -0800 GMT (14/12/2004, 03:04 +0700 TF GMT), George Mitchell wrote: GM Common filters execute before account-specific ones. TF Can you point me to some documentation? Hee hee, good one. TF The German website says that account-specific filters are executed TF first: TF http://www.thebatworld.de/system/sections/index.php?op=viewarticleartid=127 I think that's wrong, at least for Incoming mail filters. It's easy enough to determine empirically. For instance, I have a common filter that sets a user parameter that I later check in account-specific filter conditions. Everything works as I expect it to. -- George Using The Bat! 3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %Account question
Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF There are also some filters in the Personal account that I want to TF maintain, so these filters need to be executed first before the TF common filters kick in for the rest of the mails (that now stay in TF the Personal Inbox). Common filters execute before account-specific ones. There's an enhancement request for the order to be specified: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3494 Also note that common sub-filters don't work correctly. They're treated as regular filters: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4021 -- George Using The Bat! 3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Licence unhappiness?
Bryan Anderson wrote: BA Butwhat has happened? I buy the software, install it and sign BA up to the mailing list only to discover dissent in the BA rankswhat is the score with the licence and why are so many BA people unhapy with the new version? I think there's a feeling that a lot of features were promised for 2.x. With the sudden announcement of 3.0 before these features were fully implemented folks feel they are being forced to pay again for features they already paid for. And, it's easy to argue that the major version bump and upgrade fees were purely a marketing move, unwarranted by the feature set. There's also been growing dissatisfaction on the beta list with Ritlabs' development process. They appear to ignore existing bugs to implement new features. Also, the releases, both beta and official, are getting sloppy. BA Have I made a guff in deciding to stay away from Outlook and stay BA with/invest in The Bat!? It depends. Go into it with your eyes open and you'll probably be OK. As I see it, the good stuff is: It's a powerful product. Spend some time learning to use it, and it will pay off. It's pretty safe. It does its own HTML rendering, refusing to download external images or execute code. It'll work hard to prevent you from launching an attached virus. Good support from these lists. This is a great community; treasure it. The bad stuff: The company has a history of poor customer relations. The 3.0 fiasco is pretty much a repeat of 2.0 a year ago. Really bad documentation. It's obviously not a priority, and it'll make you glad these lists exist. Sloppy development. IMO their betas are really alphas, and their releases are betas. What is being pitched as 3.0 is arguably 2.13 beta 10. In fact, I think the 3.0 release version had *no* external testing before release. Don't upgrade as soon as you see a new release. Monitor the lists and learn from the experience of the early adopters. I've tried to be fair here, but to give you some idea of where I'm coming from I'm one of the people who was really pissed about the 3.0 release. I went ahead and paid for it, but in retrospect feel pretty sick about it. Final advice: pay for features, not promises. -- George Using The Rat! 3.0 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with BayesIt tuning
DZ-Jay wrote: DJ Some time around 08/15/2004 11:13:49, I think I heard Stuart Cuddy say: What is Graham? What is Spam-grade? DJ AFAIK, spam-grade would be the probability of it being spam, and DJ Graham, I suppose, means the probability of it being not-spam (I DJ suppose, non-spam-grade ham-grade graham ?) It might be coincidence, but Paul Graham has written much about Bayesian filtering. I'd guess it has something to do with his methodology. Even if I'm wrong, there's some interesting reading at: http://www.paulgraham.com/antispam.html -- George Using The Bat! 2.12.00 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Word wrap problems
9Val wrote: 9 Hmm, may be I don't know some preferences, but TB! wraps it on 9 the window edge and on high resolution and wide viewer to follow 9 line is un-comfort for my eyes. Agreed. I'd like to see an option to specify a virtual right margin for wrapping purposes. -- George Using The Bat! 2.12.00 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and POPFile and more than one account
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aacu Is anyone using TB 2.12.00 and POPFile and multiple accounts and a aacu broadband connection and WinXP Pro? Yep, all those things and it works fine. I check 4 accounts through POPFile v0.21.1. -- George Using The Bat! 2.12.00 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
Robin Anson wrote: RA When I first start up TB! 2.12 it takes roughly 80 secs from RA opening the TB! window until numbers start to appear next to RA folders indicating numbers of messages. snip RA Has anyone else experienced either of these problems? Do you have many virtual folders? I don't recall the exact symptoms, but I had startup delays in The Bat! related to VFs. I had one VF filter set to look for text anywhere in the message which was really slow at startup. I've changed that one and made sure the Store state between sessions is checked for each VF without a time related selection filter. Seems to have helped. -- George Using The Bat! 2.12.00 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Autoformat leaves those extra spaces after periods.
Allie Martin wrote: AM Just for those who wish to preserve those extra spaces after AM periods. AM Though Alt-L will remove them when reflowing text, Autoformat will AM not. Toggle on auto-format and try it, i.e., CTRL+Shift+F. That works OK, but will still remove spaces if you edit a paragraph so that a periodspacespace combination moves from one line to another. For example, if I start inserting text at the beginning of: Sentence one. Sentence two. When one. wraps to a second line the second space will be gone. Auto-format also has some unexpected side-effects. Try editing a Quick Template or a SmartBat pad with auto-format on. Fortunately, Ctrl+Z will put things right. -- George Using The Bat! 2.12.00 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Subfolders using main folder properties...
Thorvald Neumann wrote: Is there an easy solution so the subfolders use the same templates and identity as their main folder? I am asking this because I use a lot of filters for my ebaystuff which filter specific messages to specific folders: ebay |- Overview |- Search ... |- etc. etc. I want each subfolder to use the properties of /ebay. You could put all your ebay stuff into the ebay folder and recreate the subfolders as virtual folders. That might simplify your filters too. -- George Using The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adding macros as I write-on the fly
Carsten Thönges wrote: It would be nice if we had a set of build-in Quick Templates that did nothing more than sort of »mirror« the available macros. Like typing AbToLastName+Ctrl+Space executes the macro %AbToLastName. You can sort of do that with the %Eval macro in MyMacros. Create a QT consisting of: %Eval(%Clipboard) Then, copy whatever you want to execute to the clipboard (e.g. %AbToLastName) and type QT name+Ctrl+Space. For those who don't know, the MyMacros plug-in is available at: http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mymacros/ -- George Using The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Leif Gregory wrote: Mail chat, I don't know, but Smileys were added during personal time by 9Val.. He was not on the RITLabs clock when he did it. Whether or not you believe it to be a useless feature is up to you, but bug fixing and whatnot wasn't hurt by 9Vals work. He was on personal time. Nothing is free. As a result of 9Val's off the clock efforts, several bug fixes had to be made to the smiley feature before the release. I'm willing to bet they ate into real development time. Also, their UI guy spent time converting the .ico files to GIFs, and someone built them into the installer. If Ritlabs bothered to document The Bat! there would be additional documentation tasks. Testers were distracted by them in an already painfully short beta period. And we still ended up with an initial public release that turned a common notation for the copyright symbol into a coffee cup. I like the smileys, but they really should have waited. -- George Using The Bat! 2.11 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Definitive list of Smilies.
Allie Martin wrote: Chris Weaven, [CW] wrote: CW Apologies if I've missed it somewhere or if I'm OT, but is the a CW definitive list anywhere of what combinations produce what smilies, or CW is it a case of trial error/suck it and see? There's a folder called 'Images' in the TB! installation directory. In it are all the smileys and a file called pdsf.msl. Open that file in a plain text viewer. I added it as a pad in SmartBat for ease of reference/tweaking. -- George Using The Bat! 2.11 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automate selection of From/Reply-to based on the To address?
rich gregory wrote:
The REPLY macro below:
1) Uses the message's TO: as the reply's FROM:
NOTE: If there are other names on the TO: line the 1st name there will
become your FROM address so watch that! (I monitor this by having this
template also put the FROM address in the message's signature so you
can see what it did as you edit!)
snip
%From=%From=%OTOADDR%-
more snip
To minimize the chance of replying as someone else, I use something
like the following in my reply templates:
%SetPattRegExp((?i)[EMAIL PROTECTED])%-
%_To_Addr=%RegExpMatch(%OToList, %OCCList)%-
%If:%_To_Addr:{%From=%From=My Name Here %_To_Addr}%-
This will look in the To and CC fields of the message I'm replying
to for an email address that matches the regular expression defined in
the regular expression pattern. If finds one, it will use that address
for the From address of the reply. Otherwise, it will use the
account's default address.
The success of this template is dependent on the quality of the regex.
You must be able to define a pattern that will match all the possible
addresses you want to reply from. If it matches a string you didn't
intend for it to, you could reply using a bogus address.
For some protection against that, you could use:
%SetPattRegExp((?i)[EMAIL PROTECTED])%-
%_To_Addr=%RegExpMatch(%OToList, %OCCList)%-
%If:%_To_Addr:%-
#%-%_O_From=%From%-
%-%From=%From=%_To_Addr%-
%-%If:%ABFromEmail:%-
%-{%-%_To_Addr=Your Name Here %ABFromEmail%-
%-%-%From=%From=%_To_Addr%-
%-}:%-
%-{%-%From=%From=%_O_From}%-
#%-
This will ensure that the matched address exists somewhere in your
address book before using it as the From address. For this to work, of
course, you must have all your email aliases defined in your address
book.
I don't think you can limit it to a specific address book group, but
it's still perhaps an improvement on the first macro.
--
George
Using The Bat! 2.10.03 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1.
Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gmane does NOT recognize X-No-Archive: Yes
Allie Martin wrote: [Referring to GMane:] To prevent your messages from appearing at all, use the header: X-Archive: expiry=0 Use that header alone. Combining it with 'X-No-Archive: Yes' is unnecessary and can actually cause problems in that these switches are applied as they're encountered. The X-No-Archive header could nullify the expiry header if the former appears after the latter. Isn't 'X-No-Archive: Yes' what you need to avoid being archived on the mail-archive.com archives? So unless you can control the order of the headers, can you only choose to be excluded from one or the other? -- George Using The Bat! 2.05 Beta/1 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gmane does NOT recognize X-No-Archive: Yes
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: @14-Mar-2004, 10:45 -0800 (14-Mar 18:45 UK time) George Mitchell [GM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: GM So unless you can control the order of the headers, You can - it's part of the Header editor dialog. That's good to know. I wasn't sure if that affected message generation or just header display, and since the Help button doesn't work from there... GM can you only choose to be excluded from one or the other? No - I have set up for both. It might be a good idea to provide an overview of archiving on the list info pages, with instructions on how to control it for both archives. The current GMane information page is well done, but doesn't address the mail-archive.com archives. BTW, I noticed the headers from a moderator's message of yours earlier today (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): X-Archive: expiry=0 X-No-Archive: yes In this case the X-Archive header does nothing, correct? Actually, that might be good. GMane users will see the trouting for 14 days, but it won't clutter either long-term archive. As an aside, there's a pleasing redundancy in this header pair. Kinda makes me want to add an: X-No-No-Archive: no header, just for fun. -- George Using The Bat! 2.05 Beta/1 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gmane does NOT recognize X-No-Archive: Yes
Greg Strong wrote: I think what Allie is trying to say is that you have options, and by combining more than 1 option the result may NOT be what is intended. My concern was that by following Allie's instructions to avoid archiving on GMane, users would ensure their messages *would* be archived on mail-archive.com. Apparently it's possible to reliably have your messages excluded from both archives. Recent discussion has indicated that it's probably easier to harvest addresses from mail-archive.com than from an encrypted GMane group, so this might be of interest to the more cautious here. Personally, I'm not wild about folks excluding their messages from the archives. Kinda defeats the purpose of having archives. -- George Using The Bat! 2.05 Beta/1 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMane - here we come
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: As such, we (the mods) are giving notice that we intend to enable the GMane feed on Wednesday. That still gives you folks 2 days to either brace yourselves, object strongly or look forward with eager anticipation. My reaction isn't exactly any of those things, but I do have concerns. Since I won't use GMane, I see no benefit to me personally and perhaps a few drawbacks. My biggest concern is that it will encourage more people to add the X-No-Archive: Yes header, decreasing the usefulness of even the web archive. Also, rational or not, the list will undoubtedly lose some posters. Perhaps we will gain others through GMane, but my gut tells me it will be a net loss. And, I'm not convinced people's fears are completely irrational. For example, it appears that GMane only encrypts the domain part of the address. For my posts the domain is available from the Message-Id. So, all the parts are there in the clear and some pretty trivial parsing could reassemble it. Whether this would be worthwhile for a spammer to attempt is certainly questionable, but it raises enough doubt in my mind about security to give me pause. I don't have the time or inclination to carefully consider the implications of their security model. Who knows what I'm missing? -- George Using TB! 2.04.7 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message not sent
Martin Webster wrote: I attempted to send a message to TBBETA today and received the following message: | Message has not been sent. Server reply - r mail, end with . on a line | by itself What does this mean, and what could have caused it? I've seen this when TB! has sent the entire message to my SMTP server, but timed out waiting for a response. Instead of reporting a timeout, TB! reports a truncated version of the last thing it heard from the server. With my SMTP server, the message gets sent anyway. I've upped my Server Timeout setting to 300 seconds (I think it was 60) and haven't seen this since. -- George Using TB! 2.04.7 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keeping address the same in a reply
Sharon Stiles wrote: %From=May Own Text %OTOADDR%- Thank you. I'm now a happy bunny. Not to make your life more difficult, but as someone else pointed out earlier in this thread you have to be *very* careful with this in a reply template. If your address is in the CC field, or not the first address in the To field, you can end up replying using someone else's email address in the From field. A pretty major faux pas IMO, especially with your own name stuck in front of it. -- George Using TB! 2.03 Beta/51 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keeping address the same in a reply
Sharon Stiles wrote:
I have different names set up in my main account so I can keep tabs
on where things come from (eg admin@, maillist@ etc). I don't want
to set up separate accounts. I change the address when I send the
message. However when I receive a reply to one of these messages the
address I use to reply automatically becomes the main account name.
Is there any way I can make the message default to replying from the
original address?
I use a QT something like:
%SetPattRegExp((?i)[EMAIL PROTECTED])%-
%_To_Addr=%RegExpMatch(%OToList, %OCCList)%-
%If:%_To_Addr:{%From=%From=Your Name Here %_To_Addr}%-
which I QInclude in my reply templates. This will look in the To and
CC fields of the message you're replying to for an email address that
matches the regular expression defined in the regular expression
pattern. If finds one, it will use that address for the From address
of the reply. Otherwise, it will use the account's default address.
The success of this template is dependent on the quality of the regex.
You must be able to define a pattern that will match all the possible
addresses you want to reply from. If it matches a string you didn't
intend for it to, you could reply using a bogus address.
For protection against that, you could use:
%SetPattRegExp((?i)[EMAIL PROTECTED])%-
%_To_Addr=%RegExpMatch(%OToList, %OCCList)%-
%If:%_To_Addr:%-
#%-%_O_From=%From%-
%-%From=%From=%_To_Addr%-
%-%If:%ABFromEmail:%-
%-{%-%_To_Addr=%ABFromFirstName('DefaultFirstName')
%ABFromLastName('DefaultFirstName') %ABFromEmail%-
%-%-%From=%From=%_To_Addr%-
%-}:%-
%-{%-%From=%From=%_O_From}%-
#%-
This will ensure that the matched address exists somewhere in your
address book. For this to work, of course, you must have all your
email aliases defined in your address book. As written, it will grab
the first and last names from the matched address book entry and use
those in the From address. To prevent that, replace the appropriate
line with:
%-{%-%_To_Addr=Your Name Here %ABFromEmail%-
Still not perfect, I don't think you can limit it to a specific
address book group, but better than the first one.
--
George
Using TB! 2.03 Beta/51 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1.
Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: more than one macro
Henk de Bruijn wrote: I use the macros Smart Quote Prefixing and Quote Extraction. But now I read about the macro Re Wrap and I don´t know what to do. I made the two quicktemplates but where do I put: %QINCLUDE=wq I'm assuming you're using the macros from the QT Library: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html If you use the v2 version of the Re-Wrap QT, the following should work: %Qinclude(prefix)%- %_Wrap_Text=%Qinclude(qe)%- %Qinclude(wrap) To guard against quoting random clipboard text in the remote case you reply to a message without *any* text: %Qinclude(prefix)%- %_Wrap_Text=%Qinclude(qe)%- %If:%_Wrap_Text:%Qinclude(wrap) That said, Re-Wrapping quotes may not work that well. For example, it will wrap: List: - Item 1 - Item 2 - Item 3 Like: List: - Item 1 - Item 2 - Item 3 In the Editor settings section of the Preferences dialog there's a Smart Wrapping of quoted text option. I can't find any description of it in the help, but it may do a better job than the Re-Wrap QT depending on what you want. -- George Using TB! 2.03.10 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Aargh - new macro problem with 2.0!
Edgar wrote: Is there a way to put more then one header in the macro? Something like %ModifyOnce(To, BCC, Subject) Yes, though I'm not sure of the syntax. I suspect with multiple fields you have to enclose each field name in delimiters (e.g., quotes) like: %ModifyOnce(To, BCC, Subject) Like many things Bat!, the documentation is sketchy. The macro is mentioned on the beta page and on the What's New page: ,- [ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=389 ] | %ModifyOnce(header1, header2, etc) macro to prevent headers to be set more than once `- -- George Using TB! 2.03.10 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Aargh - new macro problem with 2.0!
jwayne wrote: In 1.x I regularly used a quick template when replying to messages in one of my folders. It filled in the To: header by grabbing it from the text: %TO= %TO='%setpattregexp=(?i-s)(Buyer\:+)(.+\:)(.+)%RegExpBlindMatch=%Text%SUBPATT=3' The replies are eBay confirmations, but occasionally I file other related messages in the folder that don't have the text the TO macro is looking for. So I just filled in the To: field by hand. But now, with 2.x, I can't do this! It keeps blanking out the To: contents if I move off the header into the body text! Add the macro: %ModifyOnce(To) to your template before you set the To field. That should prevent TB! from overwriting your changes to that field when it reevaluates the template. That macro was added in 2.00.7. -- George Using TB! 2.03.10 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Training (download)
John Morse wrote: I have uploaded my entire Bayesit directory, so that anyone can download it and have the pleasure of using one of the finest spam filters anywhere. You will not have to train it with so many emails, snip Don't worry about training Bayesit with a bunch of messages, just go through the motions, because this will replace all the training anyway. Nice gesture, but a bad idea IMO. The beauty of Bayesian filtering is that it learns from an individual's email. Other users may well get spam of a different nature than yours and, aside from TB! mailing lists, will almost certainly receive a different assortment of good mail. Here's an excerpt from an interesting article on Bayesian filtering: ,- [ http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html ] | Ideally, of course, the probabilities should be calculated | individually for each user. I get a lot of email containing the word | Lisp, and (so far) no spam that does. So a word like that is | effectively a kind of password for sending mail to me. In my earlier | spam-filtering software, the user could set up a list of such words | and mail containing them would automatically get past the filters. On | my list I put words like Lisp and also my zipcode, so that | (otherwise rather spammy-sounding) receipts from online orders would | get through. I thought I was being very clever, but I found that the | Bayesian filter did the same thing for me, and moreover discovered of | a lot of words I hadn't thought of. `- I haven't used BayesIt, but the training period for POPFile was remarkably short. Well worth the effort to have it know *my* mail. -- George Using TB! 2.02.3 CE on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: mailto: behaviour
rich gregory wrote: Is there a way to tell TB to use a specific template if the user clicks on a mailto: link in a web page? At present the email client begins a new message BUT blindly uses the template for whatever folder you may have open at the time! In the General section of the Account Properties dialog, there is an option to set the selected account as the default for mailto links. If this is selected for an account, it appears that TB! will use the account level template even if a folder with its own template is currently selected. YMMV, we are on different versions. -- George Using TB! 2.02 CE RC2 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: individual template - wrapped at different position
Melissa Reese wrote: This is one of the QTs involved in my multiple paragraph re-wrapping template, and it does specify a wrap limit: %_Wrap_Text=%Quotes%- %Rem=This line is optional%___%_Wrap_Limit=70%- %QInclude(wrap)%- For this to work, you need the v2 wrap template available at: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html#rewrap -- George Using TB! 2.01.50 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Inconsistent use of sort indicators?
Hi all, Someone on another list I read pointed out that The Bat! uses the sort indicator graphic on the message list column headers in an inconsistent way. For a date sort, the triangle is oriented point up for an ascending sort. For an alphanumeric or numeric sort, the triangle is oriented point down for an ascending sort. Most other apps appear to use point up for ascending sorts of any kind. The person who posted this info was using TB! v1.54 Beta/40, so I guess it's been that way for a while. This seems like a bug to me. Opinions? -- George Using TB! 2.01.50 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: no certificate button
Paul Cartwright wrote: when I check the properties for any account, under the general tab should be 2 buttons ( on the right). one for vcard, the other for certificates. I only have one button, for the vcard, I don't have a button to add or modify certificates ( like my thawte certs..) any idea how to fix this?? In the S/MIME Preferences dialog do you have Internal Implementation selected? The Certificates button is not available for me if I select Microsoft CryptoAPI. -- George Using TB! 2.01.50 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
Thomas Fernandez wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:19:57 +0100 GMT (23/11/2003, 02:19 +0700 GMT), Mark Partous wrote: Resulting in something like the above? Is this allowed? Why should it not be allowed? Assuming Mark was referring to his User-Agent header, which was: User-Agent: Ritlabs' De Vleermuis 2.01.26 Business Edition Carsten mentioned in the root of this thread: ,- [ mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] | A correct (conform with RFCs) User-Agent header looks like mine ;-) | i. e. User-Agent: Software/Version (Comment) `- I'm having a hard time finding an RFC that covers this. The best I've come up with is a draft RFC for News articles: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-usefor-article-11.txt The definition of the User-Agent field (section 6.18) seems to exclude the use of whitespace (among other things, including double-quotes) within a product name and would have the product version follow a /. The atoms are defined in Appendix B.1. Anyone know of a more authoritative source for the proper use of the User-Agent header in mail or news? -- George Using TB! 2.01.49 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Marck's SpamCop filters : (
Antje Lehmann wrote: I have put the filters into my sorting office and they seem to work fine. However, I'm encountering one problem: Whenever the spamcop.bat file is executed to start the browser it won't close by itself, and as long as it is still open TB! does not work properly. I have to close the DOS window by hand every time. Is the filter meant to be like that? Any idea how I could fix the problem? Thanks for your help! Try adding: start in the save template before the call to your browser. The modified save template would be: start c:\Programme\mozilla\mozilla.EXE %- http://%REGEXPTEXT=spamcop.net/sc\S*; cls It seems to work in XP, I don't know about Win98. -- George Using TB! 2.01.26 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?
ken green wrote: Is there a way you could reply privately to me without some method of copying and pasting or deleting an address? There is always going to be an extra step. In other words, there is no *direct* method to reply to the list sender only. Menu item Specials-Reply to the Sender (or Ctrl+F4) should do it. I just learned that a few days ago on one of these lists. -- George Using TB! 2.01.26 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?
Thomas Fernandez wrote: On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:46:30 -0600 GMT (21/11/2003, 04:46 +0700 GMT), ken green wrote: Maybe with version 2, but Specials-Reply to Sender and Ctrl+F4 both produce a message with [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the To: field. Not here. Crtl-F4 creates a message to your PM account. But you're also running 2.x, Ken's on 1.62. Since I can't find an option that controls this behavior I'm wondering if this was a change in v2. If I'm reading RFCs 822 2822 correctly, the v2 behavior would seem to be correct. -- George Using TB! 2.01.26 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?
ken green wrote: So, as I posted, to send you a message privately, I would have to use Reply All, then delete the address entered in the Cc: field. So... think about that for a minute... In order to reply to someone privately and not send a message to the list, I have to jump through the hoops above. In 2.x you can right-click on the From address in the header area of the message preview pane and select Reply to this address. Might work in 1.62 also. It doesn't do selective quoting though. -- George Using TB! 2.01.26 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Template code question
rich gregory wrote:
Yes that's exactly what I want to do. REPLY using as my FROM
address the same address that the sender used to write TO me.
The obvious approach, which I failed to mention in my last message, is
just:
%FROM=%FROM=%OTOADDR%-
%REPLYTO=%REPLYTO=%OTOADDR%-
But, if the message you're replying to was sent to multiple
recipients and your address wasn't the first one in the To list,
you'll end up replying as someone else. That's why I don't like it as
a solution, but it is easy. That said...
Below, readers, is a discussion of the example code suggested as a possible
solution...
GM ... use something like (version 2 syntax):
GM %SETPATTREGEXP((?i)[EMAIL PROTECTED])%-
GM %_TO_ADDR=%REGEXPMATCH('%OTOLIST, %OCCLIST')%-
GM
%IF:%_TO_ADDR:%FROM=''%FROM='%_TO_ADDR'%REPLYTO=''%REPLYTO='%_TO_ADDR':%-
How do I decode what this does? I will try it w/o knowing that
answer, but I would like to know this stuff!
I'll explain it as best I can. One of the big weaknesses of TB! is its
lack of good documentation. All the macros are defined in the help
file, but there aren't any examples of their usage. The Macro and QT
repository:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html
is a good resource, but doesn't offer much in the way of explanations.
This stuff can look quite confusing, especially when regular
expressions are involved, but usually isn't so bad. Here's how this
code works:
%SETPATTREGEXP((?i)[EMAIL PROTECTED])%-
This line defines the regular expression (regex) pattern that will be
used pick out your address. This is the key to this method. In my
case, all of the possible addresses are similar so I can match them
with a relatively simple regex. Your case may be harder. There's a
good regex tutorial (with some TB! applications) at:
http://www.regenechsen.de/regex_en/regex_1_en.html
Under the heading 3. Simple Patterns, the author gives a link to a
dll that will let you test regex patterns. If you plan to mess with
this stuff I would encourage you to get it. I find it *very* helpful
in tinkering with matching strings. Folks in TBTECH may also be of
help.
Turning back to the first line of code, you'll have to replace
(?i)[EMAIL PROTECTED] with a string that'll match any one of your
addresses.
%_TO_ADDR=%REGEXPMATCH('%OTOLIST, %OCCLIST')%-
'%OTOLIST, %OCCLIST' concatenates the contents of the To and CC fields
from the original message. This is fed to the REGEXPMATCH macro, which
uses the match string previously defined to look for a match. The
result of the match is assigned to the _TO_ADDR variable for use in
the next line. With any luck, it will contain one of your addresses.
If there was no match _TO_ADDR will contain an empty string.
%IF:%_TO_ADDR:%FROM=''%FROM='%_TO_ADDR'%REPLYTO=''%REPLYTO='%_TO_ADDR':%-
This line says: If _TO_ADDR is not an empty string, set the From and
ReplyTo fields with its contents after clearing any existing values.
If _TO_ADDR is empty do nothing, which will leave the account defaults
in place.
The %- at the end of each line simply allows the code to be broken
into multiple lines without adding newlines to the message. Try
leaving them off to see what I mean.
GM It will use the first matched address from the To and CC fields in the original
GM message, or the account's default if nothing matches.
By first matched I hope this means I can process, with this
filter, unlimited (wildcard) addresses at 7 (or more) different
domains.
I'm no expert on regular expressions, but you might be able to use
something like:
(?i)[^\s,;]+@(domain1|domain2|domain3)\.com
(?i) = case insensitive
[^\s,;] = any character that's not whitespace, , ; or
+ = one or more of the above
(domain1|domain2|domain3) = domain1 or domain2 or domain3
\. = match a literal . character.
Alternatively:
(?i)[^\s,;]+@(domain1\.com|domain2\.net|domain3\.com)
You may have to tinker with this, especially the [^\s,;] part. This
was off the top of my head.
This behavior needn't be restricted to the Inbox BUT MUST allow
folder templates to over-ride this with their identities.
If you do this at the account level, then any folder templates should
automatically take precedence.
GM Out of curiosity, why would you use a ReplyTo that's identical to the
GM From field?
Why not? It seems like less work setting one parameter as a
slave of the other so that every time I needed to change the FROM
address I could count on the REPLYTO not being additional typing!
I've blanked out the ReplyTo information from all my accounts, so my
messages don't have a ReplyTo unless I add it. I figure that makes my
life easier when I'm doing stuff like this. Anyone know if this is a
bad idea?
Anyway, I hope this is helpful.
--
George
Using TB! 2.01.20 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1.
Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Template code question
rich gregory wrote:
If I hit REPLY to an email I'd like for the FROM REPLYTO to use
the TO address that was used. I'm sure it is easy code to add to
the template, but it is still a little Greek to me. Anyone? (PS I
may want to restrict this behaviour to the in-box only... Not sure
yet.)
Are you referring to a case where you use several different addresses
within a single account, and want to reply using whatever address the
original email was sent to instead of the account's default? If so, I
use something like (version 2 syntax):
%SETPATTREGEXP((?i)[EMAIL PROTECTED])%-
%_TO_ADDR=%REGEXPMATCH('%OTOLIST, %OCCLIST')%-
%IF:%_TO_ADDR:%FROM=''%FROM='%_TO_ADDR'%REPLYTO=''%REPLYTO='%_TO_ADDR':%-
For this to work as written, you have to be able to match any of your
addresses with a single RegEx specified in the first line. It will use
the first matched address from the To and CC fields in the original
message, or the account's default if nothing matches. The only issue
I've found using it is if I reply to all and the From address is
different than the account's default I will CC myself. No big deal,
and a bit more code could probably prevent that.
I'm not sure how you'd restrict this behavior to the inbox - it
doesn't seem to have the capacity for its own templates. An %IF
statement with the %FOLDERNAME macro might work, but I haven't tried
it.
Out of curiosity, why would you use a ReplyTo that's identical to the
From field?
If I misunderstood your question... nevermind.
--
George
Using TB! 2.01.20 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1.
Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question about account template execution
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
@24-Oct-2003, 19:14 -0700 (01-Nov 02:14 UK time) George Mitchell
said to TBUDL:
I didn't realize you guys were a week ahead of us! ;-)
... snip
%SETPATTREGEXP=(?i)[EMAIL PROTECTED]%-
%_TO_ADDR=%REGEXPMATCH='%OTOLIST, %OCCLIST'%-
%IF:%_TO_ADDR:%FROM=''%FROM='%_TO_ADDR':%-
... snip
The quote matching looks a bit dubious to me here. Particularly in
the IF statement where (CMIIW) the quoting for the clauses needs to
be established in the conditions and in the REGEXPMATCH where there
are literal single quotes being included in the string - although
they will just be ignored for matching purposes. It could all be
affecting the logic of the macros though. The '-' in the character
class must be escaped. Here's what it should really be.
%SETPATTREGEXP=(?i)[EMAIL PROTECTED]%-
%_TO_ADDR='%REGEXPMATCH=%OTOLIST, %OCCLIST'%-
%IF:%_TO_ADDR:%FROM=''%FROM='%_TO_ADDR':%-
My template actually uses the new macro syntax. I tried to convert it
to the old syntax in case folks wanted try it. I guess I botched it a
bit, though I'm pretty sure I tested it some before posting. What I'm
actually using is:
%SETPATTREGEXP((?i)[EMAIL PROTECTED])%-
%_TO_ADDR=%REGEXPMATCH('%OTOLIST, %OCCLIST')%-
%IF:%_TO_ADDR:%FROM=''%FROM='%_TO_ADDR':%-
Per your suggestion I've added double-quotes to the first part of the
IF conditional. Regarding the '-' in the character class, TB!'s help
file (and my limited experience with various RegEx implementations)
indicates it's OK unescaped at the beginning or end of the class. It
is perhaps clearer to escape it though.
Is there a way I can have TB! automatically remove the new
contents of the From field instead of the default?
Only with a recursive macro. That may need some TBTECH input to get
it right.
I may give it a try. At this point what I have works pretty well.
The only problem is with reply to all, and the worst that happens
is that I CC myself. Getting it just right would be pretty much for
fun experience (I do enjoy this stuff). I will take further
questions on this to TBTECH.
Thanks for your help on this.
--
George
Using TB! 2.01.20 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1.
Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter question
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: You don't need this degree of separation with TB. Keep them all together and segregate by folder and use an account reply template that sets reply-to and from addresses according to the original recipient of the message: %REPLYTO=''%REPLYTO='P. Johnson %OTOADDR'%- %FROM=''%FROM='P. Johnson %OTOADDR'%- Isn't that pretty dangerous? Using that template, suppose you reply to a message that was CC'd to you, or one where your address wasn't the first one in a list of address in the To field. Wouldn't you be replying using someone else's address? I posted a question about my attempt at a workable template for this a week ago, but got no replies. :-( -- George Using TB! 2.01.20 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter question
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: I posted a question about my attempt at a workable template for this a week ago, but got no replies. :-( It's probably too advanced for the UDL forum. I will have another look at it and see if I can offer any helpful hints. Much appreciated. I was going to try TBTECH, but got a bit distracted this week by the fires here in the San Diego area. I have since tried variations of the ToAll macro you posted in the Macro and QT repository with some success, but am having trouble handling all cases. -- George Using TB! 2.01.20 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing focus by clicking
rich gregory wrote: Assume my focus is on, say, the message preview pane. When I click on either the scroll bar or the header to sort the folders or the messages the focus remains in the preview pane and not where I have just decided I want to start working. I can click to resort (or to scroll) and having done that one would assume that other pane is now where I intend to focus, but it doesn't switch. Regarding the scroll bar, that behavior seems normal (and for me, desirable). Try it with two paned a Windows Explorer window. Manipulating the scroll bar will not cause the focus to change. Clicking on a column header to sort the file list will shift focus to the file pane however. In TB!, I often scroll the preview pane without wanting to shift focus away from the message list. -- George Using TB! 2.01.15 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Question about account template execution
Hi All, I have an account that multiple email addresses route into. When I reply to a message in that account I want the From address of the reply to be the address the original email was sent to, which is not necessarily the account's default address. I use the following reply template: Begin Template %SETPATTREGEXP=(?i)[EMAIL PROTECTED]%- %_TO_ADDR=%REGEXPMATCH='%OTOLIST, %OCCLIST'%- %IF:%_TO_ADDR:%FROM=''%FROM='%_TO_ADDR':%- Hi %OFromFName, %CURSOR%- %QUOTES%- signature End Template It appears that the recipient list of the reply is being calculated before the From address change. For example, assume the account's default address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I get an email: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I do a reply to all, the From field of the reply will be correctly set to [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED]. However, the CC field will also contain [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Had the default address been in the CC field, it would have been stripped from the reply. My questions are: Is there a way I can have TB! automatically remove the new contents of the From field instead of the default? Is there a better/easier way to go about this? If you made it this far, thanks. It's about as coherent as I could make it. -- George Using TB! 2.01.7 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
