Re: Folder Inaccessible
On 2/26/2021 3:12 AM, MAU wrote: Hello Keith, Thank you, Miguel. I'll do that. Much better replying here at the list than by PM. Sorry, I didn't realize I had replied to your personal address. Keith Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder Inaccessible
Hello MAU, > > > I suggest that you open a bug report at https://bt.ritlabs.com. > Obviously, specify which version of TB you are using. If it is not > that last one, you may need to upgrade. > > Thank you, Miguel. I'll do that. -- Regards, Keith Russell Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Message Bodies Not Downloading
Hello again everyone, It seems I'm getting off to a really bad start with my return to The Bat! I was having some unresolved problems when I left, and when I purchased my update, I assumed they had been fixed. However, the biggest problem (which I'd forgotten about) is still there. The first day or two using the program, things seemed to be working fine. However, now, when I click on a message in the list, the body text does not download. Sometimes, if I wait long enough, it will eventually download, but it takes at least several seconds, if not minutes. I did make some changes in the settings, and it's possible I screwed things up. But I thought I was telling it to download the complete message, including the body. I wondered if the problem was that I had too many messages and that was slowing things down, but Thunderbird has never had a problem with downloading everything. I do have a bad habit of leaving things in my inbox, but moved all messages up to a week ago into another folder to see if that would make a difference. It hasn't. Notably, though, I did this an hour or two in Thunderbird and it's still not reflected in The Bat! My TB inbox still has messages going back to the first of the year. Why is it taking so long? I hope someone has a solution for me, because The Bat! is pretty much unusable as is. -- Regards, Keith Russell Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Folder Inaccessible
Hi again, everyone. The day after I started using The Bat! again :-(, I clicked on one of my most commonly used folders and got the following error message: Access violation at address ...01D56328 in module 'thebat64.exe.' Read of address ...04. Can anyone help me with this? I have to read my messages in that folder using Thunderbird, which has no problems with it. I ran Maintenance Center on the folder and it didn't find any problems. On an unrelated topic...Do the TBTech and TBOT lists still exist, or is it just TBUDL and TBBETA? Thanks! -- Regards, Keith Russell Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Newbie Again: Layout Question
Hi everyone, I decided to give The Bat! a try again after a LONG break. I've looked around, but haven't seen an answer to this question. Please tell me where I can find it. How can I change the screen layout? I don't want the message list at the left of the viewer pane; I prefer it to be on top. Thanks for your help, Keith Russell Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The Bat! Plug-In Availability
Hi TBUDL, As I've used TB! off and on through the years, I have never been successful in getting anti-spam and anti-virus plug-ins working. Now that I'm back to seriously using it again, I'm trying to track good plug-ins--preferably free ones. Is Regula the only free anti-spam plug-in? If so, is there English documentation available anywhere? Similarly, is Clam AV the only free anti-virus plug-in? -- Thanks a lot for your help, Keith Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Importing an Address List
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Monday, June 23, 2008, 3:55:30 AM, MFPA wrote: You could create a new message, paste the list into the to field and save it to the outbox. Then go to the outbox, right-click the message and select Specials Add recipient to address book. For each one on the list, you would have to click OK. Wow! Great idea! I used Marten's suggestion, but I think this method would have worked very well also, and I'll definitely keep it in mind. Thanks. -- Keith Russell Using The Bat! 4.0.24 under Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 on a 2.4 GHZ Pentium IV with 4 GB RAM Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Importing an Address List
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Monday, June 23, 2008, 3:18:14 AM, Marten wrote: I have inherited a mailing list with over 300 subscribers... Convert this: Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED], to this: Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... and import it Thanks, Martin! I'm embarrassed to say that I had tried this with Thunderbird (and couldn't get it to work), but (for whatever reason) hadn't tried it with The Bat! It took me a few tries to figure out which type of file and which type of import to use, but I did get it to work. (The answer to the question is to save as a .txt file and then use Import from Address List (plain text)). -- Keith Russell Using The Bat! 4.0.24 under Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 on a 2.4 GHZ Pentium IV with 4 GB RAM. Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Importing an Address List
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. I haven't posted for some time, but I need your help. I have inherited a mailing list with over 300 subscribers. The person previously in charge maintained the mailing list as a text file that he just pasted into the address field to send. I'd like to create a real email group in The Bat!; I think it would be a lot more easy to work with. The text file is a string of names and addresses in standard format separated by commas, e.g., Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED], Is there a way I can import this into a group? If, in the import dialog, I specify Address list (plain text), just the first list is imported. If I specify Comma-separated (plain text), the addresses get imported correct into a dialog which I am then expected to complete, like this: FieldImportAddress Book field Keith RussellNo(none) Joe SmithNo(none) There is a drop-down list associated with each of the last two columns. I can change Import to Yes and select a field from the Address Book field list. If this would even work, however, I would have to change every one of the 300+ lines. Does anyone know of a better way? Thanks! -- Keith Russell Using The Bat! 4.0.24 under Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 on a 2.4 GHZ Pentium IV with 4 GB RAM. Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How Do I Find the Address Book?
Hi, all. The FAQs don't appear to be available tonight. Somewhere in the process of performing numerous beta and release upgrades, my address book has vanished. Can anyone tell me what to look for to see if I can recover an old version? Thanks in advance. -- Keith Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is Anyone Able to Send Korean Email?
MFPA wrote: I get none when composing. When viewing a message, all 7 are under other character sets. Assuming that ISO means ISO-2022, the first 3 are common encodings. Conspicuously missing, however, is KSC, which is very common, and standard. Is that one of the ones you have? My other three are listed as:- Korean ks_c_5601-1987 That's the one I'm missing. Can anyone else tell me why I don't have KSC-5601 in my list, and how I can get it? IBM EBDIC Korean Extended IBM EBDIC Korean And Korean Extended EBCDIC characters I don't need -- Keith Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is Anyone Able to Send Korean Email?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 at 00:10:53GMT +0100 (which was 5:10 PM where I live) MFPA wrote and made these points on the subject of Is Anyone Able to Send Korean Email?: Hi On Tuesday 25 July 2006 at 5:49:45 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Russell wrote: As you can see from the following, it seems to work just fine: ьЭ+ъ-ГьЭ+ эХЬъжнызРьЮЕыЛИыЛд. This is readable in both The Bat! and in Thunderbird. Here it does not display in any of the 7 Korean character sets listed under more character sets: some show squares, some question marks and others message and most of headers blank. However, using auto-detect it displays in Cyrillic (DOS)- cp866. Thanks very much for your reply. After receiving it, I checked my original message again, and was puzzled to see that it no longer displayed hangeul, but just a string of boxes. Then I realized that I had been running NJStar Communicator when I viewed it the first time. So it appears that The Bat! still does not allow the viewing of Korean hangeul. Interesting, viewing it in the quote above, it displays natively as Cyrillic characters; with NJStar running, it displays garbage Chinese characters mixed with hangeul. Where did you find 7 Korean character sets? I only see 4 when viewing a message (EUC, ISO, Johab, and Mac)--none at all when composing a message. Assuming that ISO means ISO-2022, the first 3 are common encodings. Conspicuously missing, however, is KSC, which is very common, and standard. Is that one of the ones you have? -- Keith ...What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about? Using The Bat! 3.81.11 Beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on a 2.4 GHZ Pentium IV with 512 MB. Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is Anyone Able to Send Korean Email?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Sunday, July 23, 2006 at 22:53:19GMT -0400 (which was 8:53 PM where I live) Chris W. wrote and made these points on the subject of Is Anyone Able to Send Korean Email?: Which editor are you using? MicroEd doesn't support Unicode input at all. The Windows editor supports it to some degree (i.e., I cannot enter text using Keyman, but I can at least copy and paste it). Thank you, Chris! A simple solution. I have never had any desire to use the Windows editor, have never experimented with it, and didn't even think of testing it for Korean. As you can see from the following, it seems to work just fine: 이것이 한국말입니다. This is readable in both The Bat! and in Thunderbird. Whether other clients will be able to handle it remains to be seen, but it is a step forward. -- Keith ...Give: Support the helpless victims of computer error. Using The Bat! 3.81.11 Beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on a 2.4 GHZ Pentium IV with 512 MB. Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is Anyone Able to Send Korean Email?
Hello, Chris and fellow Bat-lovers. On Tuesday, July 25, 2006 at 21:30:07GMT -0400 (which was 7:30 PM where I live) Chris W. wrote and made these points on the subject of Is Anyone Able to Send Korean Email?: Keith Russell @ 2006-7-25 12:49:45 AM Is Anyone Able to Send Korean Email? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have never had any desire to use the Windows editor, have never experimented with it, and didn't even think of testing it for Korean. As you can see from the following, it seems to work just fine: ??? ??. Except, I don't have the aforementioned ISO-2022 DLL. Try Unicode: Hmmm...so you need to have the DLL to view it? I set the encoding to Unicode (since there are no Korean choices), but I suspect that that has no effect. Ĉiu morgaŭ havas sian zorgon. (hopefully, that shows up...) Yes, it looks good. Your native language? ;-) How did you enter it? On issue, however, is that The Bat! no longer hard-wraps the lines to a reasonable width (which seems to be the preferred style here on TBUDL). You lost me here. Are you saying that's the result of using the Windows editor, or something else? Is there a way in the Windows editor to get the effect of a Ctrl-L to reformat a paragraph? -- Keith ...I'm not lost, I'm locationally challenged. Using The Bat! 3.81.11 Beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on a 2.4 GHZ Pentium IV with 512 MB.. Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Is Anyone Able to Send Korean Email?
Hi, everyone. After years of waiting for this feature, I thought I'd try again to input some Korean text. Although I have downloaded and installed the ISO-2022 DLL, when I try to enter Korean hangeul letters, I get nothing but question marks. The list of encodings includes a couple of Japanese encodings, but Korean is not in the list. Selecting UTF-8 does not help, either. Using Thunderbird, I can enter Korean text using either EUC-KR or UTF-8 (although it appears that ISO-2022 is not supported). Interesting, Thunderbird messages sent using either of these encodes appear to display just fine in The Bat; I am just unable to enter Korean. -- Regards, Keith Russell ...I'd rather argue with my wife than a moderator. Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Getting My Email Accounts Back
Okay, everyone...I haven't had to do this for a while; can someone help me? I just had to reinstall Windows, and as a result, reinstall The Bat!, as well. I have my email stored in a nonstandard location, which I indicated during my installation. Despite my having numerous accounts stored in my MAIL folder, the installation required me to set up a new account. The new account has been added to my MAIL folder, but none of my other accounts are showing up. How can I get The Bat! to recognize them and add them to the folder list? Thanks in advance for your help! -- Keith Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting My Email Accounts Back
I wrote: I just had to reinstall Windows, and as a result, reinstall The Bat!, as well. I have my email stored in a nonstandard location, which I indicated during my installation. Despite my having numerous accounts stored in my MAIL folder, the installation required me to set up a new account. The new account has been added to my MAIL folder, but none of my other accounts are showing up. How can I get The Bat! to recognize them and add them to the folder list? It appears that my email has been bouncing. :-( If anyone has responded to my message, would you mind either reposting or sending your response by private email? Thanks! -- Keith Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Can't Find My Registration
Hi, everyone. I upgraded to version 3 a few months ago. I am currently trying to reinstall TB!, but can't find my registration email. I'm sure I have it somewhere. Can someone tell me what to search for? Who would be the sender, and what would be the subject? Thanks. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Localhost Help Needed
Hi, everyone. I posted my problem to the Microsoft networking newsgroup and didn't get any help, so I thought I'd try here--since several others have received good help with network issues. I'm running Windows XP SP2. A few weeks ago, I installed the SpamBayes antispam program. When I tried to access the SpamBayes user interface at http://localhost:8880 (SpamBayes comes with a script to do that), I found that I got a page unavailable error. When I ran it, it generated all the correct messages with no errors, but the browser page didn't open. If I entered the URL manually, I got The page cannot be displayed. In doing some further checking, I found that I could ping localhost, but I could not telnet to it. When I checked the event logs, everything looked fine; in fact, the latest entries were from four hours earlier. This had all been working a few days earlier. I had made some changes to my system to improve performance, so there's a chance that I might have done something to affect this, so that the next time I started the script, it didn't work. As I continued my testing, I found that the results are the same regardless of port, whether 23, 8000, 8080, or 8880. I get an error message saying, Connecting to localhost...Could not open connection to the host, on port : Connect failed. When I learned about the new new Google Desktop Search, I was excited to try it out, but found that I can't use it, because it's all browser based. If I right click on the icon in the status tray and make a selection, whether About, Status, Preferences, or Search, it fails. For example: http://127.0.0.1:4664/abouts=3406709409 ERROR The requested URL could not be retrieved While trying to retrieve the URL: http://127.0.0.1:4664/abouts=3406709409 The following error was encountered: Connection Failed The system returned: (111) Connection refusedThe remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again. Your cache administrator is webmaster. Generated Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:57:34 GMT by proxy.xmission.com (squid/2.5.STABLE6) Can anyone tell me what's wrong? Is there a service I need to start, or something else? Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Localhost Help Needed
My apologies, Marck (and all subscribers). You're right, of course. This is ABSOLUTELY off topic! I intended to post this to another list. I wondered why it hadn't appeared there, so I finally did a search and discovered it in TBUDL. I don't know HOW I managed to do that, but I do surprise myself sometimes Off to TBOT to check for followups. :-) -- Keith ...Never mind the facts - I know what I know. Using The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on a 2.4 GHZ Pentium IV with 512 MB. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Cut mark
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. Ouch! First time ever (I think), and now twice in one day! Things are smelling awfully fishy here. :-( I've been having email problems today and switching back and forth between clients, and somehow my signature got deleted. Sorry! -- Keith Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default Columns
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. Thanks, Code and Thomas. Exactly what I needed. Re: The FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBFAQ.html gives me a blank page in NetCaptor, native IE, and Firefox. -- Keith Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Default Columns
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. I just begain seriously using The Bat again and am finding that I'm having to relearn a lot of things--either because I've forgotten or they've changed. One of the reasons I've delayed coming back for so long is that I liked the look of Thunderbird so much better. Since TB is so flexible, I decided to see if I can make it look like Thunderbird. In so doing, I've found that I've had to set the message list columns individually for every folder. I seem to recall that there used to be a checkbox to make your column settings the default, but I no longer see that option. Is this something I now have to accomplish using view modes? And can anyone point me to some good information on how to use them? I tried to access Marck's FAQ page, but all I'm getting is a blank page, in two different browsers -- Keith Russell ...You can't go home again, unless you set $HOME. Using The Bat! 2.12 Beta/1 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on a 2.4 GHZ Pentium IV with 512 MB. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit better than K9?
Michael L. Wilson wrote: On Saturday, July 24, 2004 , at 20:32:52[GMT -0700](which was 8:32 PM where I live) you wrote (at least in part): I've messed with popfile and k9 and spampal. Got me which is best. BayesIt is the fastest Has anybody used any of these products with IMAP? I've been using mostly Thunderbird with its built-in Bayesian filter, while I wait for the POPFile IMAP capability to be officially added. The ability to do IMAP Bayesian filtering with The Bat would be a major factor in getting me back to TB -- Keith Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit better than K9?
Allie Martin wrote: Spam fighting moved you away from TB!??? This is so sad. :((( Damn that spam. Hi, Allie. :-) Actually spam was just one of several factors, including all the IMAP issues and concerns about the haphazard direction of development. Let me rephrase it: I'm almost at the point where the recent emphasis on IMAP and fixes of long-term bugs (thanks, 9Val!) has me thinking about coming back, and the ability to use something like POPFile with IMAP and TB would help in that decision. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Monday, September 29, 2003, 4:46:01 AM, David wrote: So these are the solutions mentioned which are working well for some of you: Popfile, SpamPal, K9 and the Bat's Known filter approach. Any other final thoughts or suggestions, anybody else? David, I missed your earlier request. I Just switched from PopFile to SpamBayes ( http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ ). It's been kind of a pain to set up--for me, at least--but I finally got it working today and it has great possibilities. The thing that I like about it is that it doesn't just have the Spam and Ham (or nonspam) categories of PopFile, but it has a third: Unsure. I don't get a lot of spam, but with PopFile, after 3 months I was still getting false positives dumped into my Spam folder, so I was still checking it regular--defeating the whole purpose of the filter. Presumably, after a little training (and I got a good start with about 250 spam messages I'd collected previously), I will only need to occasionally check my Unsure folder, and VERY rarely my Spam folder. -- Keith Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on a 2.4 GHZ Pentium IV with 512 MB. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help! POP Drop Locks
Hi, Peter. On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:06:26 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Friday, December 27, 2002, 3:06 AM -0700 GMT here, you wrote: * Replies will be sent through Spamex to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * For additional info click - http://www.spamex.com/i/?v=410414 Hello Keith, On Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 2:03:28 AM you [KR] wrote (at least in part): KR Is there a way I can monitor the communications with the server to KR determine what exactly is going on? http://www.ethereal.com/ http://www.ethereal.com/distribution/win32/ Thanks. Great link! -- Keith ...Best diet: Eat as much as you want, but don't swallow it. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help! POP Drop Locks
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:56:14 +0700 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 10:56 PM -0700 GMT here, Thomas wrote: Pit, once again this list has proven to be a lot more educational that I had expected, thank you. You should be protected by the UN - a member of the endangered species of really knowledgeable postmasters. I agree. Thanks a lot for the good explanation. I'm still trying to get this resolved. Is there a way I can monitor the communications with the server to determine what exactly is going on? -- Keith ...Diplomacy is saying nice doggy until you find a rock. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Help! POP Drop Locks
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. I recently upgraded to 1.62, shortly after which I started getting numerous locks set by my server. It thinks that I still have another session active and refuses to download my email. Thinking the problem was caused by the upgrade, I installed Beta 17. Same problem. I'm now back at 1.61, and the problem is only getting worse. I have spoken with two tech support reports at my ISP, and neither of them has a clue as to what might be causing it on their end. And my ISP's is tech support is normally first rate. Has anyone seen this? Can you tell me what's causing it? I'm really getting tired of having to call tech support to have them clear the lock. Thanks. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Useless Invention: Kickstand for a tank. Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on a Pentium IV 2.4 with 512 MB. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keeping Address Book Current
Since no one replied to my earlier message I assume no one is using any of these programs. So how about my last question? Can anyone tell me why I was unable to move my address book from TB to Outlook Express? Thanks. -- Keith ...A day for firm decisions! Or is it? Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keeping Address Book Current
Hi, Roelof. On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 01:55:01 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, November 23, 2002, 5:55 PM -0700 GMT here, you wrote: * Replies will be sent through Spamex to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * For additional info click - http://www.spamex.com/i/?v=410414 Hallo Keith, On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:57:56 -0700GMT (24-11-02, 0:57 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: KR So how about my last question? Can anyone tell me why I was unable to KR move my address book from TB to Outlook Express? Export from TB to ldif, import from ldif to OE. Thanks, Roelof, but as I explained in my first message, this was what I tried to do, and as far as I could tell, the OE address book was still empty -- Keith Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keeping Address Book Current
Hi, Marck. On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 01:57:51 + GMT your local time, which was Saturday, November 23, 2002, 6:57 PM -0700 GMT here, you wrote: KR So how about my last question? Can anyone tell me why I was KR unable to move my address book from TB to Outlook Express? You should at least be able to do this as vCards. Did you try that? vCard doesn't seem to be an option in OE import, Marck -- Keith ...DEFINE: De ting you get for breaking de law. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Keeping Address Book Current
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. I've just discovered some very interesting-looking applications that greatly simplify the task of keeping your address-book entries up to date. (Examples are GoodContacts, Plaxo Contacts, Addressender.com, and Everfound.com.) Unfortunately, as might be explected, none of these interacts directly with The Bat! (All work with Outlook, and some with Outlook Express, ACT, Hotmail, Yahoo, and AOL.) Anybody using any of these? Any suggestions for how one might do so? I thought I might be able to export my address book in LDIF format and then import it into Outlook Express. I could then use OE ONLY for this single purpose. Once my address book is updated, I could then import it into TB. (I couldn't see any straightforward way to move addresses between TB and Outlook at all.) However, when I tried this, as far as I could tell, my OE addressbook was still empty. Has anyone successfully moved addresses between TB and OE? Thanks. -- Keith Using The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Character Set Problems
Hi, Thomas. On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:07:00 +0700 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, November 05, 2002, 7:07 PM -0700 GMT here, you wrote: Hello 8o4q-skup, On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:23:24 -0700 GMT (06/11/02, 03:23 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As some of you know, I have a particular interest in using Korean with The Bat! I don't remember that, but maybe it's because I find your name so difficult to pronounce and to remember. ROTFL! I did sign my message, didn't I? (Sorry--forgot to put my full name in the template 8-).) I got all the new character set options when I installed 1.61, I believe. I have also installed a new version of the intpack.exe somewhere a long the line, but I am not sure whether this has only to do with the interface language or also with the encodings. Try downloading and installing the new intpack onto the computer where Japanese is missing, and see whether it helps. I went to the Web page and read the description and it looked like it was just the interface language; but it's worth a try! Thanks. -- Keith Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Status on 2.0?
Hello, Marck. On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:20:45 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Monday, June 10, 2002, 2:20 PM -0700 GMT here, you wrote: BTW - Yuki - I've seen confirmation that DBCS *will* be a main feature of the forthcoming V2. HOORAY (Shouting intentional 8-)) -- Keith ...Does killing time damage eternity? Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Alternatives to Mailwasher
Hello, Keith. On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:12:51 -0400 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, June 04, 2002, 11:12 AM -0700 GMT here, you wrote: My question: I've been using Mailwasher this week and I really like it. Is there an alternative that some of you guys would recommend? Maybe some filters or something? Just curious...If you really like it, why are you looking for an alternative? Mailwasher also lets you easily set up filters. I have them set up for all my mailing lists so that messages to those lists are not flagged as spam. This is necessary because Spamcop, especially, has blacklisted so many domains (even Marck's, for example!). I've reached the point where MailWasher finds almost all the spam and I get very few false positives now. -- The Other Keith ...The longer the title, the less important the job. Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Alternatives to Mailwasher
Hello, Keith. On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:58:13 -0400 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, June 04, 2002, 12:58 PM -0700 GMT here, you wrote: Sometimes there are better programs and I don't know anything about them. I had no idea TB existed until I started asking around, checking out Google, CNet, etc. Fair enought. Sounds like MW might be just fine for me... but you never know! MailWasher and SpamPal (which I've seen recommended but haven't tried) take quite different approaches to the problem. Feel free to try them both and let us know what you think! -- Keith Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Consolidating Accounts
Hello, Batters. I'm still looking for creative ideas on how to archive old messages 8-). In the meantime, though, I have another question. Through the years that I've been using The Bat!, I've had to switch ISPs several times. I've also tried out several free email servers for shorter periods of time. Some of the messages in the various accounts are unique, of course, but some are duplicates, due to the fact that I would sometimes receive messages in two accounts simultaneously so that I could compare them, or when I thought one was having a problem. The problem is that the messages in most of these separate accounts really belong together. I have used the same folders and filters in each account; only the source was different. I think that in the future, I will rename my current ISP to Main, and when I switch, I will just change the settings on Main and continue to use it. That will ensure that most messages come to the same account. Right now, however, I have hundreds or thousands of messages in each of several different accounts (I save a lot of messages 8-~), and in each account, sorted into 30 or 40 folders. I would like to bring them all together into the same account. What do you think would be the best way to do this? I'm currently thinking that within each account, I could drag the messages from each folder into the Inbox; then I could drag all the Inbox messages into the Main account's Inbox; I could then apply my filters; and finally, I could remove duplicates from all folders in Main. This, I think, would be easier than having to drag messages from each individual folder into the corresponding Main folder. Or would it? What does everyone think? Does anyone have a better idea? Thanks again for your help. -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Drive C: Error, (A)bort (R)etry (I)gnore (K)ick (S)cream -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Message Archives
Hello, Carren. On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:02:33 +1300 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, November 01, 2001, 3:02 AM -0700 GMT here, you wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, November 01, 2001, 10:46:34 PM, William wrote: DH Another way would be MailbagAssistant, which didn't really DH convnce me (but that's just me). WM Any particular reason(s) why not? I've just installed it and about WM to evaluate it. William, I too have just installed Mailbag Assistant and so far it is a wonderful utility. It makes searching for mails and archiving a very simple operationand now that I have sorted some initial glitches (nothing to do with mailbag itself), it is working like a charm. JMHO! I just installed it, as well. One big issue for me is that it does not appear to have any way to do threading. Of course, you can sort by subject, but this isn't the same. Or am I missing something? Also--It colors quoted text, but not if the lines begin with initials, as is often the case with TB mail. Those are the two things I noticed in just just my first few minutes -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Famous last words - You and what army? -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Message Archives
Hello, tbudl. I know this has been discussed before, but I have lost a lot of my old messages and searching is difficult in the Web-based archives. So I hope you won't mind if I ask again: What good methods have you all found for storing your old messages? I know some of you just delete them; pack rat that I am, I have a tendency to keep everything just in case. This is especially true for some mailing lists that have no online archive. I know that Karin saves her old messages in annual folders and monthly folders below those. Any other good techniques? Thanks. Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
WARNING!!! (Was: Re: PIM/e-mail solution)
Hello, Doug and List Members. On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:50:46 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Monday, September 17, 2001, 11:50 AM -0700 GMT here, you wrote: Hello others on this TB! list following this thread, Following up on jlaikan's tip I found that ftp://ftp.netmanage.fr/pub/demos/ has ftp://ftp.netmanage.fr/pub/demos/eccopro4/ and the following files are there: 401e16.exe5.86 MB 09.04.97 00:00:00 401e32.exe7.00 MB 09.04.97 00:00:00 getstart.pdf 13.82 kB 19.04.97 00:00:00 readme.txt1.11 kB 28.04.97 00:00:00 usergd.pdf2.98 MB 09.04.97 00:00:00 I just checked the site and downloaded all the files I saw in this directory. One of the files there now is desktop.eml (not listed by Doug). I thought it was strange to see an eml file there, but without thinking, I double clicked on it. Fortunately, THE BAT! SAVED ME! It told me the message was unreadable, but listed two attachments: one of which was readme.exe! Checking the dates on the server, I discovered that desktop.eml was created late last night. Running McAfee confirmed that the file contains the Nimda virus. DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS FILE! To change the subject...I am unable to view the getstart.pdf file. If anyone has a good copy of this file, would you mind sending it to me? Thanks. -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...CODING: AN addictive Drug. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: WARNING!!! (Was: Re: PIM/e-mail solution)
Hi, Doug and other interested parties On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:33:51 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, September 19, 2001, 2:33 PM -0700 GMT here, you wrote: KR ... desktop.eml was created late last night. ... the file KR contains the Nimda virus. KR DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS FILE! Do we have a mole on this list? My guess is that the NetManage ftp server was hit and the file created by the attack software. The same file is present in both the echo4 and echopro4 directories (and probably others as well, although I didn't check). KR ...I am unable to view the getstart.pdf file. If KR anyone has a good copy of this file, would you mind sending it to me? I searched on it don't have it. I suggest you download it again, and that we take discussing PIMs off list. I tried downloading it again and it was still unusable. I found the same file in the ecco4 directory and it worked. I posted here only because I thought others who had seen your message might go to the download page, and this is a very serious virus. I think both TBOT and Andrew's list are appropriate for continuing discussion. I have already joined powertoolssoftware and posted a warning there, as well, but the last time I checked it hadn't shown up. -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: OT: GMX
Hello, Thomas. On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 01:29:15 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, July 31, 2001, 11:29 AM -0700 GMT here, you wrote: Hello Keith, On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:10:15 -0600 GMT (01/08/2001, 01:10 +0800 GMT), Keith Russell wrote: KR (Sorry for the crossposting. There seem to be quite a few GMX users KR posting to one list or the other, but not both, and I wanted to reach KR all of you.) This is so OT, you should have posted it on the OT list. ;-) 8-) Wasn't my question about how to get The Bat! to work with GMX at least SOMEWHAT related to the TB lists? 8-) Seriously, though, thanks to you and the others who reminded me of TBOT. I'd forgotten I was subscribed, in fact, had even forgotten about the existence of the list. I subscribed long ago to follow a topic of interest and haven't checked back since--I have more than enough of a problem following ON-topic subjects! Thanks also to those who have posted helpful information to TBUDL, TBBETA, TBOT, and to me personally. Other than the personal messages, all other followups are now on TBOT. If you're interested, follow me there -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...I have a magnetic personality - keep me away from diskettes. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SMTP SPA for MSN
Hello, Mark. snip If The Bat! works with SMTP SPA on GMX, I *presume* it will work on MSN's SMTP mail servers. FWIW: SPA is currently being discussed on the Agent lists. Let me say first that I am NOT an expert in authentication, and this is the first I had heard about SPA. As I understand it, though, SMTP Authentication (as supported by The Bat! and GMX) is NOT SPA. SPA was apparently developed by Microsoft, who recently changed their means of authentication, and is unique to them. I would guess that The Bat! does not support SPA; perhaps one of the developers can clarify -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...If it jams, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Frustrating Account Problem!
The other day, I installed Windows XP Preview and proceeded to reinstall my applications. I have my mail data stored in a different logical drive than the application. My goal was to have TB accessing the same data from both Windows ME and XP. Unfortunately, my inexperiences with multi-user Windows caused me problems. I first installed successfully as Administrator. I then switched to user Keith and TB wasn't listed in the Start menu. So I reinstalled again to the same directory (first mistake). When I was prompted for the mail directory, I entered the wrong directory (second mistake!). I added my main account (XMission) and, of course, got an account with just the default folders. (I somehow managed to get a few messages as well, but only about 20.) When I realized what I had done, I changed the default mail directory and added my other accounts; everything went fine. I've tried everything to get TB to display my XMission folders and messages properly, but all to no avail. Worse yet, if I switch to my Administrator account, now TB shows just the 4 default folders and the 20 messages. I even rebooted in Win ME mode, and got the same 4 folders and 20 messages! My data is still all there in the proper location. Why is The Bat! not finding it??? Help! Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
No Subject
Hi, everyone. I just changed ISPs and created a new account. I would like to use the same configuration I used with the old account, but am not sure which files I would need to copy. (Marck, I am unable to access your Web page to view the FAQ. Are you having problems?) I have the following files in my account folder. The purpose of some of these is obvious (I know I don't want to copy the .LOG file), and others I recognize from previous experience. Some, however, mean nothing to me. Can anyone tell me the purpose of each of these files, and tell me which ones I need to copy to the new account? Thanks! -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Copying Account Properties
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. Sorry about the lack of subject. I had to use Web mail (which I hate!) and the message got out without one -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Why do they put Braille dots on the keypad of the drive-up ATM? -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Copying Account Properties
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. Ouch! Not only that...but I just noticed that I forgot to list the files! Here they are: ACCOUNT.CFG ACCOUNT.FLX ACCOUNT.HIS ACCOUNT.LOG ACCOUNT.M_D ACCOUNT.M_R ACCOUNT.PFX ACCOUNT.SCE ACCOUNT.SRX ACCOUNT.VCF -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Managing programmers is like herding cats. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: proper english or not?
-- Original Message -- From: Lija [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:18:09 +0100 Hello TBUDL subscribers, This question is very simple one and related to TB!, of course :) What is the correct form: Organisation or Organization? 's' or 'z'? It depends on where you are: 's' is the British spelling, 'z' is the American. I ran a spell-checker on this and it suggested me form with 'z' letter Your spell checker has an American English dictionary. which, AFAIK, is proper in english, but why then RIT guys use %oorganiSation and similar in templates? They're apparently using a British English dictionary (or have been taught British English. IOW, both are correct -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, February 23, 2001, 4:48:37 PM, Allie aka Curtis wrote: A disk defrag seems to be a common precursor to folder disasters. The FAT based file system is very likely a weakness as well. FWIW, I had not run a defrag for some time, so this was not a factor. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, February 23, 2001, 4:37:46 PM, Marck wrote: YT It would seem to me that if there is something unstable about the YT Inbox, then there is a horrible bug that needs addressing right YT *now*. Maybe, but it's not up to RITlabs to cure OS errors. M$ sure aren't going to. Every report I've seen of folder contents being lost have revolved around compressing the folder and an OS sneeze of some sort. Well, as much as I like The Bat, and as much as I dislike the instability of Windows, one fact remains: In 8 years of using email, I've never lost an entire folder of messages, except with TB--and it's happened 3 times in the past year and a half. Granted, the first year or two were using Pine on a Unix system, but other than that I used Pegasus, Eudora, and Becky (and a couple of others briefly), all under Windows. I don't know if compression is the problem, but it isn't OS errors alone that are the problem--it's the interaction between TB and Windows. No RIT can't be expected to cure OS errors, but I wish they would protect from them, as far as our email is concerned. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...If a program is useful, it must be changed. Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 7:26:31 AM, Karin wrote: You could consider to create chronological folders for this. That's what I do: apart from separate folders for some people, I store my mail per year amd within that, per month. When the month is done I move my sent mail to that folder too. The problem with that is that then searching becomes a nightmare. I also wonder how Marck handles this, with several hundred of folders. If I can't remember who wrote a particular message, or in what context, I have a problem, because, as far as I know, TB has no ability to search across folders (just down into subfolders). And the more separate archives I have, the more the problem is magnified. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...You never finish a program, you just stop working on it. Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 9:13:20 AM, Karin wrote: I just search in the "year" folder, while checking the Check subfolders. That covers all months of the year. I see. That sounds like it would work. If needs be, you can check your whole account for a specific mail. I have just under 90.000 messages stored, and TB goes through them *real* fast. How do you search a whole account? Last time I checked, I couldn't manage to do that. Clearly, I missed something. Thanks. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Diets are for those who are thick and tired of it. Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 8:59:48 AM, Marck wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Keith, On 24 February 2001 at 08:34:11 -0700 (which was 15:34 where I live) Keith Russell wrote and made these points: If neither of these methods reveals your missing mail, then sadly they have been vaporised. KR That's what I didn't want to hear 8-(. My sympathies are with you. Thank you. It is appreciated. KR All my mailing list messages go into their own folders. Most KR personal mail does not. The reason is that I don't want to miss KR it. I don't want to have to check dozen of folders every time I KR read my mail, just to make sure I don't miss something important. Now that's where the ticker really comes into its own. All new messages - *one virtual folder* - wherever that new message may have ended up being filtered to. I keep TB in the tooltray most of the time. All new message reading is done from the ticker virtual folder. KR What I do need to do is set up more rules to filter mail when it KR is read (I have a few). Even then, I prefer to filter some types KR of mail manually; that way, I can put it in an "Action", KR "Pending", "Important", or similar folder, if necessary. That's another way, but when the ticker VF is as good as it is, why bother? Even if you don't want to *see* the ticker, move it off screen and assign as system-wide hot key to it to open the VF when you know there is new mail to read. Okay--guess it's time to look into the ticker again. You've convinced me! Of my 92000+ messages on file here, *zero* reside in the inbox. Then again, I'm a level 4.5em so no wonders there ;-). KR You're a what? Level 4.5 Email-aholic :-). Ah...missed the "em" reference. I've forgotten how I tested out, but I know my level would be super-high, as well. But one can be an Email-aholic without being as organized as you apparently are 8-). -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Useless Invention: Cordless plumb line. Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, February 23, 2001, 10:20:32 AM, Keith wrote: I logged into TB this morning and my Inbox was empty. Of course, I've been busy and had not gotten around to cleaning up the folder, nor had I backed up recently. As a result, I've lost several hundred messages, including many of my most important ones. One more question: I do have a backup from a couple of months ago. Can anyone tell me if there is a way I can restore my Inbox from there without losing messages from the other folders? Will it overwrite existing messages, overwrite the entire folders, create duplicates, or what? -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 10:00:35 AM, Karin wrote: On 24-02-2001 at 17:33, Keith Russell kindly wrote: In the first screen that comes up when you search, there's a small list: Look in: O Folder O Include subfolders O Curent account O All accounts Boy, do I feel stupid now! Thanks. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Where there's a will, there's an inheritance tax. Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
I logged into TB this morning and my Inbox was empty. Of course, I've been busy and had not gotten around to cleaning up the folder, nor had I backed up recently. As a result, I've lost several hundred messages, including many of my most important ones. Can someone please remind me of what I need to do to get them back? Thanks. Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: %COOKIE
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Tuesday, August 29, 2000, 8:11:29 AM, Nick wrote: On August 29, 2000, at 4:18:24 PM, John Phillips Wrote: Having trouble with %COOKIE macro. Works ok in folder if I press F5 for new message, however if I reply to a message the tag always shows as Cannot open file "C:\My Documents\tags.txt". Happens in a few folders only; However this problem does not arise when I reply to Bat! mail. Queer.. It's a little confusing the way you explain it, because on one hand you say you run into the problem when replying, and then you go on to say the problem does not happen when you reply to Bat! mail. Probably because he has TB mail filtered into its own folder, and has a folder-specific reply template set up for that folder, and it is set up and working properly. Nevertheless, it sounds like you have %COOKIE="C:\My Documents\tags.txt" somewhere in a Reply Template, either at the Folder, Account, or Address Book level. You will have to check the reply/message templates in all three sources and make sure your %COOKIE macro, if present, is correct. If it's happening in several folders, John, I would guess that probably the reply template for the account has the old path. The account template will be used if you don't have a folder or address template that is being used for the reply. On the other hand, if each folder has its own template, you will need to determine which folders have the problem and check them -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...H lp! S m b d st l ll th v w ls fr m m k yb rd! Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Configuration Transfers
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Sunday, August 27, 2000, 11:34:52 PM, Gerd wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 28.08.00: Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. snip Can anyone see any problems with my just copying account.cfg, account.flx, and account.srx into the account directory? Yes, because the configuration is saved in the registry. You have to export all RIT entries in the registry @home and to import them @work. Furthermore you have to modify some entries due to the fact that you have different folder names on the two systems.. I'm not sure what to do if you already have a setup @work with mails stored on that system. I doubt that you may import your home-setup-registry without causing some trouble (Please correct me someone if I'm wrong) ! Good point. I guess I need to clarify. When I said "configuration", I was referring to account and folder configuration: such things as folder names and organization, templates, and filters. Yes, such things as directory paths, fonts, etc., are stored in the registry, but I'm not too concerned about them matching up in the two locations--especially since many of these settings are going to be machine specific. On the other hand, if I simply just copy over the three files I mentioned, is there a chance that there might be a conflict between their contents and the registry settings? I guess that might be a concern. Thanks for the reply, Gerd! -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...BUFFERS=20 FILES=15 2nd down, 4th quarter, 5 yards to go! -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Problem Importing from Unix Mailbox
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. In keeping with my determination to finally "clean up" after several months of familiarizing myself with all the ins and outs of TB, I decided to export several months' worth of Becky! messages and import them into TB. My first test involved 19 messages. I exported them in Unix format and then imported them to TB. Most of them appear to have come across perfectly. However, 3 messages (all from the same sender) have no bodies. The headers specify: Content-Type: multipart/mixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is no boundary specification. When I look at the exported file, the body is there. In The Bat!, there is no body and no attachment. Can anyone tell me how to make this work right? Thanks. -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...You cannot achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Problem Importing from Unix Mailbox
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Monday, August 28, 2000, 11:33:14 AM, Ming-Li wrote: Hi Keith, In keeping with my determination to finally "clean up" after several months of familiarizing myself with all the ins and outs of TB, I decided to export several months' worth of Becky! messages and import them into TB. Congratulation! I also tried out Becky and decided on TB, and have not for a minute regretted it. Thanks, Ming-Li. I actually switched some time ago. I started trying out Becky in May of last year, I think. A couple of months later, I downloaded The Bat and used both, off and on, for several months as I compared them. I finally registered TB last Christmas, but never found the time to import all my Becky messages. Coincidentally, in doing a search this morning for "Becky" (hoping to find some export/import help), I came across some messages you posted in June about TB's lack of true CJK/DBCS support. I think I missed that thread at the time, because I don't remember it. Thomas, John De Hoog (where are you, John?), and I (and others) had discussed some of these problems at length several months earlier, and it was this (along with TB's poor threading) that resulted in my waiting several months to register. These two issues have still not been resolved, and I really have my fingers crossed waiting for version 2. However, 3 messages (all from the same sender) have no bodies. The headers specify: Content-Type: multipart/mixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is no boundary specification. When I look at the exported file, the body is there. In The Bat!, there is no body and no attachment. If I understand you correctly, the messages are listed on the message list but are without bodies, right? I didn't run into this when I tried to export some messages from Becky to TB, but I would suggest you to save those messages (in Becky) as .eml or .msg files (they're the same format with different extension names) and import them as such. Because I assumed that msg format wasn't standard and wouldn't work well, I hadn't tried this. On your suggestion, I did so--i.e., in Becky Export, I unchecked "Unix standard mailbox" and gave the file a .msg extension. In looking at the file, I couldn't immediately see a difference from the Unix mailbox-formatted file, but I imported it into TB anyway. The result was the same as before. I then decided to try with a single message, rather than several messages in a single file. I exported one of the problem messages in both Unix and .msg format, then imported both files into TB. Again, no body, although I could clearly see the body in both exported text files! I can only assume that there is something nonstandard about the message headers, but what? Thanks for the reply. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Why build a wall round a cemetery when no one wants to get in? Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Problem Importing from Unix Mailbox
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Monday, August 28, 2000, 11:56:13 AM, Allie wrote: It could be that the blank line between the kludges and the message body is not there and the message body is assumed to be a part of the kludges. No, there clearly is a blank line separating the body from the headers If you toggle the message header display and see the message body then this is likely what has occurred. Opening the exported file in a text editor and inserting the blank line may be all that's needed. Show Message Header and Shift-Ctrl-K, toggled either direction, still show no message body. I see the headers or nothing. I even tried inserting a second blank line after the headers, with no result. Thanks, anyway 8-(. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Detour: The roughest distance between two points. Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SOT: PGP bug squished (was Re: Gaping hole in NAI PGP)
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, August 26, 2000, 10:18:54 PM, Thomas wrote: If it came free wih McAfee, I would try and ask them. I am sure they can direct you to the correct web page or whatever at pgp. I do suspect that the freeware version upgrade will do, though. ;-) Thanks, Thomas. I will do so, but of course, there's no one there till Monday. And I get more and more leery of trying to get any kind of response from customer/tech support departments, the more time I waste trying to find someone who cares 8-(. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..put knot yore trust inn spel chequers. Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Configuration Transfers
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. I'm tired of duplicating my setup in two different places, so I would like to copy my home configuration to my PC at work. Can anyone see any problems with my just copying account.cfg, account.flx, and account.srx into the account directory? The only problem I have been able to think of would be if my work PC has a folder that my home PC doesn't. In that case, I don't know what would happen to the messages in that folder. Assuming that I make sure this isn't the case first, do you foresee any other problems? Thanks. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Printed on 100% recyclable phosphor. Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SOT: PGP bug squished (was Re: Gaping hole in NAI PGP)
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, August 26, 2000, 10:28:43 AM, Deryk wrote: It's all sorted now. The nai PGP servers (ie certserv.pgp.com) now filter out keys with bogus ADK packets, and there's a new version 6.5.8 available from www.pgpi.com I'm sure anyone who's serious with PGP keeps it updated anyway, so it should be fine ;) Okay, I have a question. I've used PGP Freeware forever, but recently bought McAfee VirusScan Deluxe for almost nothing, and PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 was included. I went to www.pgp.com and read NAI's PGP ADK Security Advisory there, which says, "The MIT web site should have a new PGP 6.5.x freeware release early Friday, and the NAI/PGP web site should have patches out for the commercial releases at about the same time." However, I can find no mention of PGP for Personal Privacy on the Web Product page. And if I go to the generic upgrade section, I'm asked for "grant number" or a login and password. All I have is VirusScan serial number. Does anyone know where I can find an upgrade for PGP for Personal Privacy? Or is this just PGP Freeware under a different name and with a couple of additional components? Will upgrading to the freeware version do the job? FWIW, I don't feel a lot of urgency to this, since I don't use ADK; like Deryk, I just always try to stay current. From the press releases I've read, if my key is compromised, I will have to "acknowledge a warning dialog that an ADK is associated with the certificate", and will know not to use it. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Never use a preposition to end a sentence with. Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Catalyze: To lie while looking cute. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Fwd: Re: TheBat and Spam
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. I know there are other Pobox users on this list, and I'm curious to know whether anyone has expanded on the methods described by Allie and others, to incorporate sub-filtering of messages already prefiltered by Pobox. For those who haven't seen the way Pobox handles this, they run a message through their filters, and if it's identified as potential spam, a string such as "[spam score 10.00/10.0-pobox]" or "[spam score 3.04/10.0-pobox]" is prepended to the subject. Up until now, I have not used these spam "ratings", other than as a quick clue before I look at the message more closely--largely because I have gotten a lot of false positives attached to messages I wouldn't want to lose. However, I would like to begin using this information more effectively. In just checking the Pobox Web page, I discovered that they have now fine tuned the spam settings at the server level, so that I can choose a threshold above which messages will be flagged, and another above which messages will be deleted from the server. That way, I might only see messages flagged if the rating is above 5, and never see those rated above 9. (When they first started this service, it was essentially limited to "filter" or "don't filter".) Alternatively, I could choose a wider range and further filter them with TB into various mailboxes. The extreme, of course, would be to filter all 1's into one mailbox, 2's into another, and so on through 10, but that would clearly be overkill--and plain ridiculous. Another way would be to send 10.00's only to a "Spam" folder (or delete them), and send all others to a "Potential Spam" folder. I haven't completely thought this through, and it will take some experimentation and fine tuning to get it working the way I want it, so I've simply been brainstorming with some of the above thoughts. I hope my ramblings have made some sense. Has anyone tried anything like this? What have been your experiences? Suggestions? And for you regular expression gurus out there, what could I use to select, for example, all messages with ratings between 5.01 and 9.99, for example? TIA -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...I tried to daydream, but my mind kept wandering. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: TagLines ....
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, August 25, 2000, 10:22:38 AM, Allie wrote: I was using Taglines before using TB!. I was using Forte' Agent for mail before TB!, and used an application called TartII http://dragon.acadiau.ca/~031233v/TaRT.html to periodically update my remote signature file. It came with about 3000 taglines. My base of taglines comprises a mixture obtained from this application and others that I acquired along the way, i.e., via leisurely internet searches. Allie, In all my years with e-mail, taglines are something I've never gotten into, but this thread has finally motivated me to do so. I downloaded TaRT II and have been looking it over, but I'm not exactly sure how you're using it. Are you using it with TB simply to maintain the tagline file (or, for that matter, are you even using it any more?)? Are there other features of the program that are useful? Do you know of any way to incorporate the specific-date feature into TB cookies? Thanks. -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Friction can be a drag sometimes. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TagLines ....
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, August 25, 2000, 5:07:48 PM, A wrote: On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:23:29 -0600, Keith Russell wrote: KR In all my years with e-mail, taglines are something I've never KR gotten into, but this thread has finally motivated me to do so. LOL! Really? That's nice. KR I downloaded TaRT II and have been looking it over, but I'm not KR exactly sure how you're using it. Are you using it with TB simply to KR maintain the tagline file (or, for that matter, are you even using KR it any more?)? I'm not using it at present at all. I suspected as much It's not even installed on my system. I had to go find the link to the website to post it today. :-) Ah! KR Are there other features of the program that are useful? Not with TB!. All I'm using that's from the program is the great tagline base it has. There's a text file there with over 3000 taglines. 2143, actually. You must have added A LOT of taglines! I can't remember the name of the file. It uses a non-standard extension but it's a text file. There are not many files to the app so you can go through the likely ones. It may have been tag.trt or something so. That's the one. Just convert the name to a .txt extension, and point TB!'s %Cookie macro to it. It actually works just leaving the name as is, and pointing to tag.trt in the TaRTII directory. KR Do you know of any way to incorporate the specific-date feature into KR TB cookies? I'm not sure what you mean. If you simply mean inserting the date, TB! already does this with the %date macro. No, it doesn't. That's not what meant, but I used the wrong term. They're really called SPECIAL date. What this feature allows you to do is specify a particular tagline that will ALWAYS be used on the specified date. For example, I could enter the URL for a Web page with April Fool's jokes and associate it with April 1, so any messages created on April 1 (and only on that date) will use that tag. I think TaRT does other things that TB doesn't do, but I haven't studied it that carefully yet. The Special Date feature did appeal to me, though. TB!'s template macros does everything this app does Not quite 8-). and more making it redundant and this is why I uninstalled it. I only scrapped it, taking the tagline file and modified it, deleting the taglines I disliked and adding ones I found elsewhere. Yes, the first thing I did was start deleting taglines that are inappropriate for my personality. There are some good ones in there, though! Thanks for the suggestion. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Fwd: Re: TheBat and Spam
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, August 25, 2000, 4:58:27 PM, Allie wrote: You seem to have a serious spam problem. For me about 10-20 spam messages reach me per week. Not too much different from me. Out of literally hundreds of messages per day, 2 or 3 are spam. Of all of them 1 will hit my inbox per month! This is the difference. All of my spam is showing up in my inbox 8-(. My list messages are filtered to their own folders, so the percentage of my Inbox messages (supposed to be the ones I read first) is high. This is what I'm dealing with now. That's how good my method works for me. It's simple. Doesn't require the use of regular expressions and other external anti-spam apps that can make you lose potentially legitimate messages and even moreso, cause a headache to get working properly. :-) Exactly! Who knows, maybe I can get by without Pobox's filtering. I'll have to see what kind of success I have with my new TB filter structure. Thanks. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! %THEBATVERSION under %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Question About Nicknames/Handles
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. I have nicknames set up for several people in the address book. The only way I can seem to get TB to accept them is to type a single nickname in the "To:" field and tab into the next field, at which time the nickname is expanded to the full name and address. Even entering the nickname and pressing return doesn't expand it. I would like to enter a list of nicknames and have them all expanded, but I can't figure out how to do it. If I enter, for example: smr, ldr and click the Send icon (or tab or return out of the field, then click Send), it tells me smr is invalid. It seems to me that a major advantage of nicknames would be in sending to multiple people that don't belong together in a group. Their advantage with single entries is minimal, since it's not that much harder to type in a single complete address; but if I have ten nicknames to send to, it could save me a lot of effort. What am I missing? -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Question About Nicknames/Handles
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, June 09, 2000, 2:13:19 PM, Miguel wrote: KR I would like to enter a list of nicknames and have them all KR expanded, but I can't figure out how to do it. If I enter, for KR example: KR smr, ldr KR What am I missing? You are missing the ; (semi-colon) instead of , (comma) If you put for instance: nr; pf; hildemar and then press the down arrow all the address will expand. Actually, what I was missing was the down arrow--and I see now that a tab will work as well. When commas didn't work, I tried semicolons, but I must have tried Send immediately or pressed return. Thanks to you and SyP for the help. Mystery solved! (But I still wish it would work with a comma, and with a cr as well as a tab or down arrow.) -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
1.41 Hangs System, Too 8-(
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. FWIW, I downloaded and installed 1.41 over the top of the beta with no problems. However, one of the first things I wanted to do was test simultaneously opening TB1.41 and another program. I started up TB, and when the splash screen came up, I started Agent. The hourglass came up and everything hung right there. I had to reboot. It appears this problem is still not fixed. Like others who have run into the same problem, I am running the original Win98. Sigh -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.41 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Leave Messages on Server Issues
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, March 11, 2000, 10:08:41 AM, István wrote: Hello Keith, Saturday, March 11, 2000, 5:06:36 PM, you wrote: KR I try to use "Dispatch mail KR on server" nightly Doing the same here (with a lot less mail). In addition to your points, I sorely miss the option to sort the mail list by clicking on a heading. Yup! -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.41 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Leave Messages on Server Issues
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, March 11, 2000, 10:43:40 AM, Thomas wrote: I have "leave messages on server" checked on my office machine for my private account, and my home machine "delete(s) messages on server". And vice versa. Almost all the mail I receive via TB is personal; it all comes to a single account. Work messages come via Lotus Notes. While I see no reason to have all messages on both machiens, people work differently. Steve Lamb has a system by archiving all mails on a zip drive and carrying them back and forth - ftp would do it too. This way, all messages are on both machines. Yes, I know. I've tried doing that with other types of data; it's a real pain in the neck. Even the way I do it is easier than that! However, your question concerns the despatcher. KR I used the menu option Global/Toggle flag/Delete (shortcut Ctrl+3) KR to mark all messages for deletion. Then I had to find the last KR message I remembered reading at work, and UNCHECK Delete for all KR following messages (about 50 last night, but there might be several KR hundred if it takes me very long to get to my email). It is really annoying having to click on a couple messages, scrolling down, clicking on the next couple,... I did this once. Once? 8-) Yes, another problem is that, as far as I can tell, there is nothing like Ctrl-Click or Shift-Click; it's always one at a time. KR Is no one else dealing with this problem? Can you tell me if "Leave KR message on server until retrieved at both my sites" has been KR requested for version 2? Not that I know of. In that case, I'll definitely submit a request. KR Also, can anyone tell me how to find out more about how Message KR Dispatcher works? And how do the rest of you use it? Sometimes; rarely. As it requires an online connection, I use pine right on the server when I need to delete messages without downloading. Part of my problem is that my new ISP only allows POP3; no pine or elm. It's one of the things I gave up for a permanent 10 Mbps connection directly into the Internet backbone; I think it's worth it! Thus, I think, a keyboard shortcut that deletes a message and moves the cursor to the next message would come in handy in the despatcher. Yes, that would definitely help I mean "D" in pine; this would probably be "crtl-shft-alt-F12-enter-numlock-esc-D" in TB - but only if you use a US keyboard g. ROTFL! Thanks, as usual, for your comments, Thomas. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.41 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Leave Messages on Server Issues
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, March 11, 2000, 2:19:00 PM, Paula wrote: On Saturday, March 11, 2000, Keith Russell wrote: ... Now, I find the "dispatch" option very difficult to use. You're not alone. Thanks. Sure glad it's not just me! [snip] I hope that they are sorted in the order received by my server, but I'm not sure that is the case. Seems to be. Wish we could tell for sure At any rate, this is how my cleanup procedure looked last night: snip Ugh! If you are only concerned about having 'important messages' available at both places, might not it be easier to forward important messages to yourself at your work address. So, you could check messages during the day, leaving them on the server. Then, from home, download and delete all messages, including any new ones that have arrived since you last checked at work. Then, forward to your work address any messages you want to have available at work, assuming that "important" doesn't mean tons of messages. If you get a few duplicates at work, they'd be pretty easy to delete. Seems less work to me than what you do now. I've actually considering doing it this way. The problem is that a standard forward loses the sender information; a redirect will lose other header information. I thus lose a lot of my searching capability. Agent, which I used for my email for several years before switching to The Bat!, has an option called "Leave message on server until retrieved at both my sites", which allowed me to avoid all this. I used to read email at both work and home with never any worry about receiving all messages both places, or about messages piling up at the server. What happens if a user has more than 2 sites? You're out of luck 8-). At various times last year, I used Agent, Becky!, The Bat!, Eudora, and probably others I've forgotten, as I tried to decide on a new client. I would download the same messages several times before I wanted them deleted from the server. Obviously, in this situation, that feature was no help; I had to delete them from the server manually. However, I usually used Becky's mail dispatcher for this; it's much easier to use than TB's. I know that TB has the option "Keep messages on server for x days". I prefer not to use this option because a couple of my mailing lists only get read once a week or so, and I can't wait that long to clean up the server. I don't understand what you mean here. If you've downloaded the messages at both work and home, why can't you set TB to automatically delete messages from the server every 2-3 days? Or, are you selectively downloading? No, you're right, of course. Must have been super tired when I wrote that one The real problem is that the messages really have to be deleted every day or two, so if I set this option, I need to remember to disable it before I leave on a trip for several days. Constantly changing it back and forth is a nuisance. Is no one else dealing with this problem? Yes, but they use other solutions, like transporting the message base back and forth on zip disks. As I mentioned in my response to Thomas, I don't consider this a solution. Can you tell me if "Leave message on server until retrieved at both my sites" has been requested for version 2? Don't think so. Thanks. I'll submit it. Also, can anyone tell me how to find out more about how Message Dispatcher works? You seem to have uncovered about all there is to the Mail Dispatcher with a POP account. And how do the rest of you use it? Before using TB, I used Calypso, which despite its other limitations, handles dealing with messages on a POP server about the nicest way I've ever seen in a mailer. So, I used to always review messages before downloading, since downloading my e-mail can take quite a bit of time and I'm not interested in most messages I receive. With TB, however, the Mail Dispatcher is such a limited tool that I quickly abandoned trying to preview messages. It ends up taking more time than downloading all the messages. It sounds like it isn't getting much use. Hopefully, 2.0 will have a much better-thought-out dispatcher. Thanks for the reply. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.41 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Success with Japanese
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.
On Saturday, January 29, 2000, 7:20:49 PM, John wrote:
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I actually managed to translate this, finally.
Speak for yourself, pal 8-).
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Re: Success with Japanese
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.
On Monday, January 31, 2000, 7:43:30 PM, John wrote:
JDH Keith Russell wrote...
JDH ú{êÎͯµÄïµÈ¢B
KR I actually managed to translate this, finally.
KR Speak for yourself, pal 8-).
JDHJust in case, the "taiou" part means "support" as in supporting
JDHJapanese in The Bat! What's encouraging is that the Japanese made
JDHit round trip and is still readable (though not to most of our
JDHreaders; sorry about that).
Okay, thanks for the clarification. The dictionary said something like
"deal with" or "handle," which I guess could go along with support
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Re: Success with Japanese
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.
On Monday, January 31, 2000, 1:16:31 AM, Thomas wrote:
TF Hi Keith,
TF On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 00:52:45 -0700GMT (31/01/2000, 15:52 +0800GMT),
TF Keith Russell wrote:
JDH Just for
JDH fun I've added it to this message, and here's some Japanese for you.
JDH ú{êÎͯµÄïµÈ¢B
KR Thanks. It looks good, and I can actually "read" it. Of course,
TF I'm seeing nothing (empty line).
Very interesting that you're not seeing anything at all
KR In return for your Japanese, here's some Korean for you!
KR ÀÌ°ÍÀº ùÛÏÐåÞÀÔ´Ï´Ù.
KR Let me know how both the Korean and Japanese come through in this
KR message.
TF I see nine Chinese characters. Actually, my secretary just said, these
TF aren't really existing Chinese characters, they only look to me like
TF they were.
Yes, that's kind of what I see when NJWin is set to Japanese as well
(but just 8 strange characters).
KR Thomas and those of you running NT and 2000 with CJK support, what are
KR you seeing?
TF See above. This is not surprsing to me, as C-Win will override your
TF header information and always use Big5 for display
Yes, the headers don't seem to help as all. With NJWin, you have to
select the proper encoding before it will work. A Japanese header and
NJWin/Korean, or Korean header and NJWin/Japanese, gives garbage.
TF (even though my own
TF headers suggest that my charset is us-ascii).
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Re: Datula
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Thursday, January 27, 2000, 2:56:11 PM, John wrote: JDH Keith wrote... KR On Thursday, 27 January, 2000, 7:35:11 AM, Mark wrote: Checked out Datula from the link on your site, very nice MUA, just need to learn Japanese now:-) Do you know if they plan an English interface? KR Agreed. I also enjoyed the rest of your Web site; it made me very KR envious. JDH Thanks. Datula will be arriving in English later this year. It was JDH supposed to be out last month, but I was able to convince the author JDH to work on improving the news reader side of things before releasing JDH it. If he does so successfully, it's going to be a killer program. KR By the way, where did the "wonmug" come from? JDH The Alley Oop comic series, which goes way back in time. The scientist JDH who created the time machine in that comic was Doc Wonmug (one mug, JDH ein stein, get it?). Ah, yes, I remember Doc Wonmug well. Brings back memories of Daisy Mae and the schmoos 8-). Funny I didn't think to associate your alias with him.... -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Success with Japanese
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.
On Saturday, January 29, 2000, 7:20:49 PM, John wrote:
[snip]
JDH To get the charset header, open the Xlat manager under Options, add an
JDH entry for Korean, and put the char set in Character set name. Then
JDH make Korean your default character set or the one you define for
JDH specific folders or templates. You can also select it individually
JDH when you compose a message, under Options | Message encoding.
Ah. I had assumed there was more that needed to be done, such as
setting up mapping tables. Apparently all we're doing, though, is
telling TB what charset to put in the header; I don't think it affects
how TB actually handles the message.
JDH Just for
JDH fun I've added it to this message, and here's some Japanese for you.
JDH ú{êÎͯµÄïµÈ¢B
Thanks. It looks good, and I can actually "read" it. Of course,
"understanding" is another matter; it's been 30 years, and once I got
past the initial kanji
JDH There's a problem here, though. Perhaps since The Bat! won't let me
JDH change the transfer encoding to 7 bits (since ISO-2022-JP is a 7-bit
JDH transfer encoding scheme that uses an escape sequence to encode 8-bit
JDH characters), or perhaps because of a weakness in NJWin or in my
JDH understanding of it, the text is actually sent as Shift-JIS, not the
JDH encoding in my header.
Ouch! Not good; that's a pretty major difference.
Note that I received the following header in your message:
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by coral.ocn.ne.jp id LAA14050
JDH As a result, if you were to view the above in a
JDH Japanese font, you should be able to read it even without a program
JDH like NJWin, and in fact it will look better than with NJWin's fonts.
But probably not in English Win95/98
JDH But at the same time Shift-JIS is not really recommended for Internet
JDH mail use, although many Web sites use it. It can get mangled in some
JDH systems and even will crash some older systems.
Right.
JDH On the font issue, it seems that NJWin uses its own fonts, which are
JDH kind of ugly.
Are you sure they're NJWin fonts? I'll have to try viewing your
Japanese with the various viewers I have and see if there's a
difference, I guess.
JDH I've ordered the official version, which is supposed to
JDH have better font support. But The Bat!, as you noted, does not seem to
JDH have a way to change fonts outside the editor and viewer, such as
JDH those in the header display.
Can you really effectively change fonts in the editor and viewer?
Granted, I can change them; it just doesn't same to make any
difference--I always get the same Korean font displayed.
In return for your Japanese, here's some Korean for you!
ÀÌ°ÍÀº ùÛÏÐåÞÀÔ´Ï´Ù.
Let me know how both the Korean and Japanese come through in this
message.
Thomas and those of you running NT and 2000 with CJK support, what are
you seeing?
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Re: Success with Japanese
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, January 29, 2000, 3:49:53 PM, John wrote: JDH Hello, Bat users, JDH Using The Bat! in conjunction with a program called NJWin (also JDH known as NJStar CJK), I am now able to use the program acceptably JDH with Japanese. I can read Japanese messages in both the preview and JDH popup windows, can read most subject lines and other header JDH information, and can compose and send Japanese messages. I have JDH defined a new Japanese encoding for ISO-2022-JP, and have managed to JDH get that information into the charset header of my messages. You must have missed my suggestion to this effect the other day, John. Sorry...it might have saved you some time. I would very much like to see your Japanese encoding, if you don't mind sending it to me and telling me how you got it in the headers. Although I have been able to successfully display and compose CJK for some time, I hadn't reached the stage of manipulating the headers. My main interest is Korean, but given your ISO-2022-JP encoding, it should be pretty straightforward to create one for ISO-2022-KR. Next will then be EUC-KR and EUC-JP 8-). JDH The only thing I noticed along the way is that the %charset=" " JDH macro when inserted in a message does not successfully override the JDH charset header. Also, my messages are identified as 8 bit even JDH though iso-2022-jp is a 7-bit scheme. Yes, I had noticed these two problems, as well. JDH I'm now happy to be using The Bat! full time. The more I get to know JDH this program, the happier I am with it. I have a few small issues JDH I'd like to see improved (e.g., the old user-defined key assignments JDH thing that is supposedly coming in Ver. 2 within most of our JDH lifetimes, and one-key viewing across folders in preview mode), but JDH in so many ways this program blows away the competition. Glad to hear I made the right decision 8-). JDH I look forward, still, to the day when The Bat! has real built-in JDH Japanese support, since NJWin when active interferes with some other JDH programs that I need to use in my work, requiring that it be JDH switched in and out frequently. I don't know if it will help, but you might want to try UnionWay and TwinBridge to see if they work any better. Like NJStar, they both have Web pages with downloadable trials. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Won't check for new messages automatically
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.
On Thursday, 27 January, 2000, 6:46:19 AM, Thomas wrote:
Hallo John,
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:21:55 +0900 GMT (27.01.2000, 21:21 +0800 GMT),
John De Hoog wrote:
JDH always had a place in my heart for The Bat. The main problem being
JDH that it doesn't do Japanese. So I arranged to have all Japanese mail
JDH sent to a different account, and use The Bat for the rest.
Mine does Chinese. Do you have a Japanese Windows? In that case, it
should display the Japanese characters.
Or have you tried it with third-party display software, such as NJStar
or UnionWay? I've done my testing mostly with Korean, but I'm pretty
sure I saw it working with Japanese and Chinese at one point.
The Bat still has definitely problems with CJK. For example, you can't
change the font, and the headers are mangled, but viewing seems to
work.
Otherwise, TB still has a
problem with CJK, but I hope that Unicode will be in the upcoming
version 2 ("it will be ready in six months").
Unicode will make it possible to communicate in CJK IF your
correspondents are using Unicode and it's supported by your OS
I hope the developers will also support the older encodings in version
2.
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Re[2]: Won't check for new messages automatically
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Thursday, 27 January, 2000, 7:35:11 AM, Mark wrote: Hi John, Thursday, January 27, 2000, 1:21:55 PM, you wrote: JDH Well, I finally gave in to my Bat fantasies and registered this JDH software. I'm basically a mailer collector, being the proud JDH registered owner of Datula, EdMax, DinoX, King of Mail, Akira32Gold JDH and other obscure programs (all reviewed on my Web site). Checked out Datula from the link on your site, very nice MUA, just need to learn Japanese now:-) Do you know if they plan an English interface? Agreed. I also enjoyed the rest of your Web site; it made me very envious. By the way, where did the "wonmug" come from? -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Receiving Mail Dialog
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. Recently, the box that had been opening up in the middle of my screen as I downloaded messages, giving me a very helpful message count, has stopped displaying. I see only an icon on the task bar. I'm sure it's some obvious (to everyone else 8-)) setting that accidentally got changed, but I can't find it for the life of me. Can someone tell me what's going on? Thanks. -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Receiving Mail Dialog
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Wednesday, 26 January, 2000, 12:55:10 PM, Allie wrote: AM Try going to Account|Properties|Options and uncheck the option "Sticky AM send/fetch windows' positions". Thanks, Allie. As usual, you came through! Looks like I'll have to do without that option Thanks for your suggestion, also, Tom. I'd already tried that, though.... -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Question About Filters
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. Has anyone found a straightforward way to merge filters from two different PCs (e.g., home and work)? TIA. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Newsreading with Bat?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Monday, 24 January, 2000, 12:00:47 AM, tracer wrote: t Hello Keith Russell, t On Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:54:19 -0700 GMT your local time, t which was Monday, January 24, 2000, 10:54:19 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, t Keith Russell wrote: Keith It frustrates me that I and several others have asked you to put lines Keith between quotes, and that even in responding to such a request, you Keith don't put a line! Please don't take this personally, because you've Keith been really helpful to me and to many others on the list. t I am willing but problem is that in working through loads of mails its t very hard to remember doing it.. That's better! Once it becomes a habit, you won't have to think to remember 8-). Seriously, I do it without thinking t Also in corresponding with people one to one it was never a real t problem. t On the other hand the cure is simple, optionally have the system t FORCE that blank line or separator. t Since when editing its shown as a different colour the bat knows its a t quoted text and should be easily able to force this blanc line. t It would besides fix peoples bad habits maybe also make sure that t those new to the net donot get them Might be a possibility. Have you submitted the suggestion? Thanks for trying 8-). -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Newsreading with Bat?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, January 22, 2000, 5:07:34 AM, tracer wrote: t Hello Jast, t On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 05:36:20 +0100 GMT your local time, t which was Saturday, January 22, 2000, 11:36:20 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, t Jast wrote: Jast Not every (net) community has the same standards and rules, and in some good Jast message trimming and formatting might not be so important. But it is here, Jast and I'd prefer if sir tracer would trim his mails a little and put a line Jast after the quotes . . . please? t Spmeone told me that one really should have a separator line as a t feature of the bat when quoting, or a blank line. t Anyway, I donot see lines after quotes in your msg so I do t musunderstand it? t I thought its obvious when quoting since the name of the person quoted t is still there... Tracer, it may be "obvious," but it's still hard to read. This is all about making e-mail reading more convenient for list subscribers, all of whom, I am sure (if they're at all like me), are struggling to keep on top of truckloads of messages. Look at the line (two, actually) separating the four 't' lines and the quote from Jast, versus the lines from Jast and your response, which are just jammed together. Sure, you can tell by looking closely that these were written by different people, but it isn't obvious at first glance; it takes a little extra mental effort. And if someone doesn't have sender information enabled in their quotes, the difference between , , and is even harder to see. It frustrates me that I and several others have asked you to put lines between quotes, and that even in responding to such a request, you don't put a line! Please don't take this personally, because you've been really helpful to me and to many others on the list. But e-mail is so time consuming as it is, that when I see messages that are hard to read, whether it be because of poor formatting, numerous spelling errors, failure to use mixed case, or overuse of "shorthand" terms, I tend to skip over them. And this is a shame, because sometimes I miss good content; but I just don't have the time. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, January 14, 2000, 3:49:28 PM, Syafril wrote: [snip] I am back from long vacation, and I found more than 6000 messages in my (dutaint.co.id) account. Download using Personal Dial from my Server broke every 50 messages, it's really annoying!. Ouch! I thought mine was bad! I curious TB! is the culprit, because next download fail every 30 messages, then 20 messages ..., sound like virtual memory or memory leak problem, even I still have 150 MB free space. Yes, exactly my situation, except that at its worst, mine was failing every message, or downloading a max of 4 or 5 at a time. So I search all *.tmp file, delete it all (I have around 10,000), after that re-download again...voila...everything fine! Yes, you found the solution independently. My directory had about 14,000 when tracer suggested I check for temp files! KR This is happening every night now when I get home and download my KR email. It's getting old fast. Time to send a bug report, I KR guess Check out *.tmp file on your Harddisk, delete it, try again. Yes, it's been working great for a couple of days now. Sorry I didn't get to you in time to save you all the frustration. I had been intending to post to the list, but wanted to make sure it really was fixed and do a little more testing first. See my other message, which I will post later tonight. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File - Update
Well, I tried to install The Bat! in a different directory (twice) and it hung my system both times. The program was not listed in Add/Remove Programs, so I made a copy of my TB directory, ran Quarterdeck Cleansweep to uninstall, then manually deleted all the RIT subtrees in the registry. Then I reinstalled in a different directory, totally clean with no data. I started a downloaded, and it immediately hung with the FETCH error Keith -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Re[2]: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File - Update
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:13:00 +0700, tracer wrote: Seems more likely a file maintenance/os error then a bat error Keith It actually seems to be a file maintenance error caused, or at least facilitated, by The Bat! No, its 99% sure a file the bat is trying to write to/create and cannot. You could run a find over your system, search for files modified the last day and see whats there impacting the bat. Unfortunately, this started a week ago (approximately). Files change all the time on my system; this would be really hard to track down. I may give it a try when I have more time. Check the drive on space available (!!!), First thing I checked. I cleared lots of space and defragged. files being write protected (unlikely). Maybe even a temp directory being corrupted/filled up. Well, that's a thought. Don't know how a temp directory fills up; isn't that limited only by disk space? I will try clearing the temp directories, though, and see if it helps. [snip] rtsp://24.94.117.6/encoder/cameraX.rm If you have realaudio maybe THIS makes you feel better and at least you can watch something(g) Thanks. Good thing I have a fast connection; it's been downloading for almost 12 minutes now! Any other crashes from other programs??? Keith Sure, all the time. I am runing Windows, right? ;-) Well, but depending on what crashes you might be able to see whats happening. How much space left, swapfile how big and what drive? Lots of space, swapfile is being managed by Windows. I have only one physical drive. Swap file is on logical c:, 766 MB free. Keith ALL my directories? You don't know how many directories I have! in the bat obviously, the mailfolders. Oh, okay. Just check for write protection? as it is, your error seems to say what it is, a file is being created and cannot. So its something, no space, write protected, too many files in a box which prevents it. Keith Yes, that is what it sounds like, isn't it? But then why does it work the second (or third, or fourth) time I try? Attachments?? Huh? Please elaborate. [snip] Ok, call it an Os/user related error (g) Uh 8-) (I think) Keith -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: [spam score 3.48/10.0 -pobox] Re[2]: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File - Update
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 1:13:00 AM, tracer wrote: [snip] Keith It actually seems to be a file maintenance error caused, or at least facilitated, by The Bat! No, its 99% sure a file the bat is trying to write to/create and cannot. You could run a find over your system, search for files modified the last day and see whats there impacting the bat. Check the drive on space available (!!!), files being write protected (unlikely). Maybe even a temp directory being corrupted/filled up. It appears that you might have hit the nail squarely on the head here, tracer. c:\temp had Bat-related files, and c:\windows\temp had nearly 14,000 (yes! You read right!) batxxx.tmp files. I cleared both directories and, so far, everything seems to be working. Downloads are also very fast. The acid test will come later when I have a large volume of messages waiting for download. I do wish I knew what caused the problem in the first place. Thanks to the several people who posted lengthy and helpful responses both on the list and privately. Maybe next time, I'll need to be appearing to bash The Bat! from the beginning--it seems to bring out its defenders 8-). Seriously, there are a lot of things I like about The Bat!, and if this problem really is resolved, I will be a very happy camper. Thanks again. [snip] -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
mailto: in Signatures
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. As I recall, the default templates that come with The Bat! include a "mailto:" in the signature, as you see below. I've noticed that many list subscribers use this format. Is there really any good reason for including the "mailto," since, as far as I can tell, most email clients will recognize an email address without the prefix? (In other words, won't "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" work as well as "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" and be less confusing to non-techies?) Thanks. -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: mailto: in Signatures
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 3:59:39 PM, Steve wrote: Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 2:42:55 PM, Keith wrote: address without the prefix? (In other words, won't "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" work as well as "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" and be less confusing to non-techies?) Yes. :) Thanks. It's great to have Steve Lamb agree with oneself! 8-) -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: mailto: in Signatures
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 3:51:04 PM, Angel wrote: On Wednesday, January 12, 2000 at 14:42:55 ,Keith scribbled: KR Is there really any good reason for including the "mailto," since, KR as far as I can tell, most email clients will recognize an email KR address without the prefix? I may not have the correct answer, but I don't use the mailto: in my TBUDL-list templates simply because I know the readers will be using TB! (or they should be LOL) But, Angel, you don't have either in this message, either! But when writing email using my "regular" template, I use mailto: as well as a href="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"Angel/A simply because some people I write to users who use various email clients, such as AOL.. which isn't configured for a clickable link such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] . (At least thats what I heard) I implement the same theory when typing URLs. Actually, I just sent a message to an AOL address and included both email link formats; neither one was highlighted. So I think I'd choose the simpler form in that case, too. Unless someone points me to some email clients that recognize only the "mailto:" format, I plan to stop using it. Thanks for the reply. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: mailto: in Signatures
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 8:50:14 PM, Nick wrote: [snip] Not necessarily Keith. There are some very popular Programs that do not recognize [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a 'clickable' E-Mail address. Angel pointed out AOL as one of them, and I know that Eudora and MS Outlook Programs do not, while Agent and OE do, so I don't know why some do, and some don't. Ah...that's what I was looking for. You're sure that Eudora and Outlook don't? If so, that puts a new light on things. You've brought up a good point though, and as Angel has suggested, I've since taken my MailTo:'s out of the templates I use for TBUDL at least. :o) Good idea -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Scoring
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:36:21 -0800, Nick Andriash wrote: On Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 9:09:34 PM, tracer wrote: Why do you think that? For no other reason than a feeling I get from talking to other Agent users and reading the Agent Newsgroups. There hasn't been any official word from the developers, aside from hearsay, that there is ongoing development. I've been using Agent for years, but unless I hear something definitive, and soon, I'll be migrating over to Gravity. Nick, there IS ongoing development. There have been a couple of official recent releases, and many beta releases. The big cause for concern is that Mark Sinn is doing all this on his own, with no corporate support support. It's very unclear what might or will happen to the product in the future. Cautionary note: I have only read the rare Agent-related message recently, because I've been focussed on e-mail clients, but I don't think the situation has changed. Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File - Update
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:53:24 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I believe you have received little feedback from the list, as nobody could duplicate this behaviour. I'm sure that's true. Of course, that's what makes this so frustrating. Syafril seems to be the only one who has experienced this, and he seems to have a much milder case I certainly haven't had it, and I have had a thousand message to download once after a vacation. If someone comes up with another idea, you'll hear from them as soon as the sun rises in their time zones. ;-) Yes. I thought I would hear from you and tracer; you are both always very helpful. But then, it's mid-afternoon tomorrow there 8-). I wish this had happened earlier so everyone else wasn't still in bed by the time I posted KR Have any of you registered users had experience with RIT technical KR support? Have they been helpful, or have you been left on your own KR to figure things out? We get the best technical support right here on the list. :-) Well, I know that's true to a large extent. One of the things I have enjoyed the most about The Bat!, as with Agent, is the active mailing list and the extremely knowledgeable users. On the other hand, I'm sure the developers could tell me exactly what the error messages mean and what I should be looking for, whereas those who haven't seen them can only guess. KR Sorry to have rambled, but I'm pretty upset right now. Does anyone KR have any ideas? If not, can you tell me which of TB's great features KR I will be giving up to switch to: Haven't used any of those other programmes. My TB is also not instable, to the contrary. Tell us again about your system configuration. I think someone on this list had problems which suddenly disappeared when he upgraded from 64MB RAM. Pentium II 333 with 64MB RAM Thanks for the reply. Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File - Update
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:20:20 +0700, tracer wrote: Seems more likely a file maintenance/os error then a bat error It actually seems to be a file maintenance error caused, or at least facilitated, by The Bat! secondly if your mail is stuck, use anything else to download so at least you get your mail and feel better. Yes. As you can see, I am using PMMail. I downloaded it the other day but haven't had a chance to learn any thing about it, no nothing is being filtered and I haven't figured out the navigation. Help doesn't seem to be any better than The Bat's, so I'm drowning in email. Not sure how much better I feel; maybe a little 8-). Any other crashes from other programs??? Sure, all the time. I am runing Windows, right? ;-) Nothing like this, though. I've never seen this kind of problem with any of the many other clients I've used and tried. And no problem downloading with PMMail or Becky tonight. Thirdly, have you checked all your directories?. maybe a file is present which is supposed to be overwritten and which is write protected. ALL my directories? You don't know how many directories I have! I guess this is a possibility, but I don't know how I would determine this. I have scanned my disks, defragged, and run various troubleshooting programs; they found nothing. Or a Anti virus program being triggered while downloading. No AV programs running. I disabled them, along with everything else, so I could confirm to Syafril that nothing else was interfering. (But I have scanned for viruses with a couple of different programs; no real hits.) as it is, your error seems to say what it is, a file is being created and cannot. So its something, no space, write protected, too many files in a box which prevents it. Yes, that is what it sounds like, isn't it? But then why does it work the second (or third, or fourth) time I try? You could install the BAT in a different place and download from there and see if it works. That's a VERY good suggestion. I will give it a try. As said above, to me its an OSfile maintenance error Don't know Thanks. Keith -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: RITLABS interview almost...
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.
On Monday, January 10, 2000, 7:58:28 AM, Douglas wrote:
All I can say is that if the same developers working on TB v 2 are
involved, I would much prefer to know they are hard at work perfecting
TB's existing shortcomings, rather than developing new products in
markets that require additional options to a much lesser degree.
And fixing bugs and supporting the existing application
I realize that as a trial user, I'm not entitled to official support.
But the problem I reported here the other day ("Unable to open output
file") is still there. Tonight it took me 8 tries and over 20 minutes
to download about 100 messages. I submitted a bug report several days
ago, but of course, no response.
While I can understand the policy of not directly supporting trial
users, I would still prefer the developers to be spending their time
fixing problems like this rather than developing new products; I am
sure that eventually registered users will be affected, as well. And
it's awfully hard for me to justify buying the program as long as it's
so time consuming (and frustrating) to use.
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