Re: Alternate Threading Options?
Oops. I found that I somehow got the threaded view setting turned off. However, I would still like to strip the annoying " " from incoming subject lines so that the subjects in the threaded view don't become hundreds of characters long. Is that possible? -- Steven Vallière | tb 8.8.2 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Alternate Threading Options?
I am working with a customer that insists on prepending the string " " to the subject line of every message received from an address outside their own domain. This destroys message threading by subject so I am hoping and praying that this is some other way for TheBat to thread messages that is independent of and more reliable than similarity of subject lines. In the absence of an alternate threading option, is there a way to have TheBat remove the " " string that the customer's mail system prepended to the subject when I receive replies? Actually, it will probably be more like Subject: Re: Original Subject and I would want to get rid of the external tag and the space before (or after) it. Are either of these things possible? Thanks! -- Steven Vallière | tb 8.8.2 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Access Violation with v8.3
I generally leave TheBat! running on my desktop 24x7. Sometime over the past weekend (while I was away and no one was using my computer) it displayed a message box showing that it caught an access violation. If interested, you can see the message at https://www.svalli.com/files/batbug3.png FWIW, my system is a Dell Precision 490 running Win 7 Pro x64 with all updates available and I am using the 64 bit version of TheBat! This was NOT a fatal bug since TheBat! continued running. However, I assume that the message means something to someone, so I am sharing it in the hope that it may prove useful. It certainly doesn't help me, as a user of TheBat! -- Steven Vallière | tb 8.3 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Default New Message Editor
Is there any way to change the default editor that TB! uses when creating new messages? I went into Options|Preferences to the Viewer/Editor item and tried all four possible settings for the Default editor for text setting, but TB! always gives my MicroEd and plain text. I even tried each setting, saving it, stopping TB! and restarting, but the setting is apparently not used. I've searched, but I've been unable to find any other place where I might be able to choose the default editor and/or message format for new messages I create. Is my bat just broken, or is this a known problem or (most likely) have I missed something critical? PS: What I'd REALLY like is to be able to set this preference per email address in my address book as well as a system default for destinations not in my book. This is a very nice feature that Thunderbird has and it is very handy, because I no longer need to remember what format each and every person in my address book prefers (or requires.) -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.4 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Create Message Drop List Missing
I recently upgraded from the 4.x version to 5.1.x and the Create a new Message drop-list has gone empty again (except for 'Quick Template'). This has happened before but all I remember is that there's some magic file I need to delete so that TB! will re-create the drop-list content (or something like that.) I have everyone correctly checked as a favorite in the address book, but they no longer appear on the drop-list. I've restarted the program several times and it is not fixing itself, so I'm hoping someone knows how to get them back. Help? Please? -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.3 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPAM Filter
Jeff, If the TB4 plug-ins are compatible with TB5, you might want to take a look at the Regula Anti-spam plug-in. I've been using it ever since my mail server went to STARTLS (which broke POPfile) about six months ago. After a bit of training Regula seems to be doing a good job of catching the spam that gets through the mail server's filters. http://www.gaijin.at/en/tbpregula.php -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.2.44.2 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures in html?
Susanne, Monday, June 13, 2011, 12:13:50 PM, you wrote: S is there a way to make them visible in TB? I'm assuming you mean pictures embedded within your message... FWIW, I've found that embedding images in email is rather inconsistent, especially between Thunderbird and TheBat! (my two main email clients.) Those two often refuse to correctly display messages sent by the other one, though both programs can send the same messages to a GMail user who can see them both fine using Google's web mail interface. Basically, until there's a standard for how to handle HTML mail, especially with embedded images, we users will just be forced to suffer differing interpretations of the RFCs that cover those things. After all, RFC /does/ stand for (R)equest (F)or (C)omments. If there is an actual STD document for this, then it must allow too much interpretation and have too many optional things to enforce interoperability. Sorry for the rant, I've been complaining about this issue to RIT Labs for a couple years and have always been told that TB is right and the others are wrong. Not in so many words, but that's the essence of all the replies I've ever received on the subject. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.2.44.2 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost Favorites Drop-List
Jos, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 2:48:28 PM, you wrote: JK So, now back to the previous JK version and everything is working fine as before.. Was there any special procedure for that or did you just run the 4.x installer to replace the 5.x? Did you [need to] uninstall TB 5.x before rolling back? I'd like to go back, too, but I'm concerned about losing messages received in the couple weeks or so I've been using TB5. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.0.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost Favorites Drop-List
Jos, Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 8:56:58 AM, you wrote: JK Hello Steven, JK Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 1:46:54 PM, you wrote: SPV Was there any special procedure for that or did you SPV just run the 4.x installer to replace the 5.x? Did SPV you [need to] uninstall TB 5.x before rolling back? SPV I'd like to go back, too, but I'm concerned about losing SPV messages received in the couple weeks or so I've been SPV using TB5. JK First I made a 5.0.8 backup, which I did not need later on. JK I deleted 5.0.8 with the control panel Windows remover. JK After this removal there was still a folder C:\Program Files\The Bat! with JK a few items, I deleted thebat.exe in this folder. JK Then I run the 4.2.44.2 installer, which did not ask for a backup. JK Worked perfectly here and no message was lost. THANK YOU! Your instructions worked perfectly (except for one odd thing) and I'm back to 4.2.44.2 without losing any mail! The odd thing was a problem that occurred during the install when there was an apparently error due to a missing install resource. The missing resource turned out to be the installer for TB 4.0.16 which hasn't been on my system for quite some time. I also thought this was a good time to remove old, leftover TB entries from the Add/Remove software list, so after I ran the 5.0.8 uninstall, I ran the uninstall for The Bat! (no version number) which actually did /something/ and ended with a message box saying The Bat has been removed from your computer. Sad but true. There was a reference to the 4.0.16 installer in the database, but Control Panel would not show any options (like 'uninstall') for it, so I just deleted that entry with another tool. Regardless, I'm happy again. TB is working correctly for the first time in a couple weeks! Thanks again! -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.2.44.2 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Lost Favorites Drop-List
When I upgraded from 4.2.42 to 5.0.8, the drop-list that normally shows the people I have marked as Favourites [i.e. Add this address to the instant address (Favourite) pop-up menu] vanished. When this happened once before, I was told to stop The Bat, delete some magic file and restart The Bat and the list was restored. I'm really hoping someone can remind me what file that was because I really, REALLY miss that feature! Also, if there's any way to make the tooltips look better and, perhaps, appear *ABOVE* the things they are explaining, I'd love to know that, too. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.0.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Just tried 5.0.0.132 for a few minutes...
...it was not the best experience I've had with TB. There seem to be annoying popups all over the place and no option (yet?) to disable them or at least have them appear only when requested. * There was one at the lower right that seemed to tell me how many messages were in a thread or folder -- but the numbers rarely ever matched the thread or folder my mouse was over or that I had selected. * There was one that first appeared when I hovered over someone's picture that showed me some other message content. The message content popup would reappear if TB thought I was hovering over a message, but only the briefest pause was necessary to trigger it. When when expanded to what seemed to be its largest size, it still cut off the right hand end of every line of the message being displayed. * The first tooltip that came up when I hovered over the 'REPLY' button contained text like Send queued mail and looked different than all other tooltips that appeared. The first one looked standard and all of the others looed custom, with the same background and font that I have set for the defaults for plain text message viewing. Also, the tips seemed confused about whether they should be visible or not, fading in/out of existence apparently at random. I also immediately lost the drop-list that belongs on the 'Create new message' button that shows all of the addresses I want listed there. Was there a special procedure for installing 5 over 4? Am I missing something else? I don't use any of the fancy features, but I generally expect the most basic things to work. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.2.42 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Response Format
Stuart, Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 9:03:30 AM, you wrote: SC In Options/Preferences/Viewer/Editor there is an option to Reply to HTML using SC Text. If this box is not checked then you will be able to reply to HTML in HTML SC and Text as Text. Thanks, but I do NOT have that option checked, yet when I reply to an HTML message from the HTML tab (or the text tab) the indicator at the bottom on the 'Edit Mail Message' window still shows 'Plain Text (MicroEd)' regardless of that check box's setting. It isn't difficult to switch, but sometimes it seems like I've lost some of the original message's formatting. That's what prompted my original query and probably should have made that more clear. But, I hadn't tested the checkbox until now, either, I just assumed it worked -- but for me it doesn't. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.24.26 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Response Format
I often receive messages in HTML (or both HTML and Text) format. I rarely bother with the HTML formatted message, since The Bat! usually renders the plain text well enough. And normally when I reply I just want to use plain text, but... It occurred to me that it would be nice if I could configure TB to compose my response in plain text (by default) when I respond to a message from the plain text tab or in HTML when I respond to the message from the HTML tab. Right now it is set to respond in plain text mode in either case. Is there a way to do this or is this a feature worth suggesting/requesting? -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.24.26 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Feature Request (or help?)
There are times when I would like to open a previously sent message, make a few changes and send it again, sometimes to the same person(s), sometimes to others. In Thunderbird, I'd just pick 'Edit as New' from the Message menu, but I cannot find a similar option in TB. The closest I can see is 'Re-send', which prompted me about resending (I didn't) without ever offering any opportunity to edit/adjust. One can work around this shortcoming by creating a new message and cut'n'pasting from the old one, but it seems like it should be easy enough for the application to further simplify this task, as Thunderbird has done. If I'm missing something, please help... If not, please consider this a feature request... -- Steven Vallière | tb 3.99.29 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
BitDefender 2008 Plug-in?
Does this exist? If so, does anyone know where I may obtain/download it? -- Steven Vallière | tb 3.99.29 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Find a message by number?
My anti-virus program keeps telling me that several of the messages in one (or more) of my .TBB files is infected with the Generic.Peed virus. When I ask it for details, it will tell me which .TBB file, and the message number. Is there some way to use that info to look at the message in TheBat! so that I might delete it and/or the attachment? -- Steven Vallière | tb 3.99.29 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Message #947?
My anti-virus program keeps telling me that several of the messages in one (or more) of my .TBB files is infected with the Generic.Peed virus. When I ask it for details, it will tell me which .TBB file, and the message number. Is there some way to use that info to look at the message in TheBat! so that I might delete it and/or the attachment? -- Steven Vallière | tb 3.99.29 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Please support BT wish 5275
MAU, Sunday, October 22, 2006, 6:49:48 PM, you wrote: M For TB lists I use 1 filter with 4 sub-filters. These: M [-- nuch snippage --] M If you copy and paste them in your Sorting Office, the only thing you M will have to change is the folder the messages are moved to. Please elaborate. When I open my Sorting Office/Filters from the Account menu in TB, paste is disabled when a copy of your filters is on the clipboard. -- Steve Vallière | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: View Threads by...
Alexander, Monday, September 25, 2006, 4:18:50 PM, you wrote: Sometimes, I truly believe that a thing can be TOO configurable... ASK ...and I surely wouldn't want to NOT have this feature. :-) I wasn't saying that any particular config option should be removed. Instead I intended to express a bit of frustration at my feeling that it seems to be getting to the point where almost *ANY* thing that I can click on (menu, list, column, folder, item, icon, widget, etc.) seems to have its own private config that secretly overrides the default, common config (if any) for that item. For the current discussion, I've no quarrel with view modes. However, it is much more obvious (to me, at least) to have a global option to have either (A) All folders use the same view mode or (B) all folders use their last selected view mode. The additional step of [externally] selecting a view mode and then applying it to a folder seems completely counter-intuitive when there's a very clear menu item to choose the view mode available. I've committed these same types of errors in my own software, so I know how easy it is to imagine that the user will grasp all of these conflicting options ... and I, too, have been wrong about that EVERY TIME. -- Steve Vallière| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Electronic Visions, Inc. | http://www.e-visions.com 1650 Barrett Dr | Voice (321) 632-7530 Rockledge, FL 32955 | Fax (321) 632-3396 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: View Threads by...
Roelof, Wednesday, September 20, 2006, 8:15:45 AM, you wrote: SPV I'd like to view some folder message lists threaded SPV and others NOT threaded. RO Create folder view modes according to your wishes and assign them to RO your folders as your preferences go. I'll see if I can figure out enough of the view mode stuff to make it work. It certainly is NOT intuitively obvious... smile Oh, FWIW, *ALL* of my current folders have (no view mode) checked when I right click the subject field and I have no view modes defined at all -- yet I still have some folders showing messages threaded and other (most of them) showing unthreaded. So, if view modes are the only way to do this, how are my current configurations working? Sometimes, I truly believe that a thing can be TOO configurable... -- Steve Vallière| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Electronic Visions, Inc. | http://www.e-visions.com 1650 Barrett Dr | Voice (321) 632-7530 Rockledge, FL 32955 | Fax (321) 632-3396 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
View Threads by...
I'd like to view some folder message lists threaded and others NOT threaded. In fact, I have FOUR folders whose messages lists are ALWAYS threaded. But all of the other folders seems to use the last threading option I've chosen. I've looked at the folder properties and not found any threading settings there, only on the main menu (and Alt+1, Alt+0, etc.). If this is possible, where is it hidden? If it is NOT (supposed to be) POSSIBLE, then how did I manage to alter this setting for four of my folders? Help? -- Steve Vallière | tb 3.85.02 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
.MSG files
I seem to be collecting more and more .MSG files in my default attachments folder. I've searched TB's help system and none of the hits for MSG seem to have anything to do with these files. They seem to contain email message bodies, and therefore that are, by definition, *NOT ATTACHMENTS* ! ! ! So I must ask: 1. Why are they collecting in my attachments folder? 2. How do I stop TB from doing this silly thing? 3. If I delete these .MSG files, will I lose access to the body of the message from inside TB, or does it save another copy somewhere else (as it should be doing)? (The messages.tbb files seem to have not only all of the message bodies, but attachments as well, so one would assume the neither the body NOR the attachment is lost if these stupid .MSG files are removed.) Please help, a directory with many thousands of files in it is nearly unusable in Windows XP (too [EMAIL PROTECTED]$ SLOW!). Thanks! ? -- Steve Vallière | tb3.82.05 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: .MSG files
Roelof, Friday, September 8, 2006, 9:33:13 AM, you wrote: RO Hallo Steven, RO On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:07:03 -0400GMT (8-9-2006, 14:07 , where I live), RO you wrote: SPV(The messages.tbb files seem to have not only all of SPVthe message bodies, but attachments as well, so one SPVwould assume the neither the body NOR the attachment SPVis lost if these stupid .MSG files are removed.) RO This implies that you're not storing your attachments in an attachment RO folder. Are you putting your attachments in that directory with a RO filter? If so could that filter (or maybe another one) export your RO messages to that directory too? I was storing all attachments to the same folder (C:\Download\Attachments). The .MSG files appear to be plain printable ASCII and contain an entire message BODY, plus all HEADERS. I'd really like to find out why TB thinks it should save all my email message bodies in my attachments folder. -- Steve Vallière | tb3.82.05 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: .MSG files
Thomas, Friday, September 8, 2006, 9:27:15 AM, you wrote: TF This would usually only happen if these .msg files are TF attachments to messages you received. If you are sure you TF didn't receive MIME-attached messages this would be weird. The files look like plain printable ASCII of the complete message header and body -- minus any attachment(s). TF Do you receive a lot of look at this forwards? Not that I'm aware of. TF Account / Properties / Options / Keep attachments TF in Message Body. (If these files are attachments, that is.) I didn't find that setting under Options. In my version it has moved to 'Files directories' ... but I changed it anyway, to see what happens. TF Try moving these .msg files (all of them) to a temporary TF directory you create for this purpose, while TB is closed. TF Then reopen TB and see whether you have problems reading TF the message bodies. Good idea. Don't know why I didn't think of it. I'll give it a try. -- Steve Vallière | tb3.82.05 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: .MSG files
SPV Thomas, SPV Friday, September 8, 2006, 9:27:15 AM, you wrote: TF This would usually only happen if these .msg files are TF attachments to messages you received. If you are sure you TF didn't receive MIME-attached messages this would be weird. SPV The files look like plain printable ASCII of the complete SPV message header and body -- minus any attachment(s). TF Do you receive a lot of look at this forwards? SPV Not that I'm aware of. TF Account / Properties / Options / Keep attachments TF in Message Body. (If these files are attachments, that is.) SPV I didn't find that setting under Options. In my version it SPV has moved to 'Files directories' ... but I changed it SPV anyway, to see what happens. TF Try moving these .msg files (all of them) to a temporary TF directory you create for this purpose, while TB is closed. TF Then reopen TB and see whether you have problems reading TF the message bodies. SPV Good idea. Don't know why I didn't think of it. I'll give it SPV a try. I tried a few things: moving the .MSG files does not seem to have affected my ability to read the bodies of recent messages that I didn't want to lose. GOOD I changed the 'Keep attachments' setting to 'in message bodies' and send myself a message from my RoadRunner account using their web mail. No .MSG file appeared. I changed the 'Keep attachments' setting back to 'in a separate directory' and sent myself another message from my RoadRunner account. Still no .MSG file. Apparently, these must be some sort of unnamed attachment or something (since TB names them all using an 8 digit sequential number.MSG) that is coming in with some (or most?) of the SPAM I am receiving. If the TB developers are reading this, it sure would be nice if I could define my own list of attachment types to save or NOT save. Better yet, have both options and allow the user to choose which way to go: list the only extension types to be saved OR save all EXCEPT the listed extension types. Heck, maybe even a file type table allowing different extensions to be saved (or not) to different folders! I know, I'm probably asking too much, but what the heck, the worst they can do is nothing, right? smile Thanks for the ideas. I guess I'll just manually delete all the stupid .MSG as often as I notice them. -- Steve Vallière | tb3.82.05 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
