Bat calls home?
TheBat accesses 198.63.208.135 when it starts running. Anyone know why it does that, who that might be, and what info is sent there? Thanks, ztrader Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat calls home?
On Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 3:39:47 PM, Volker Ahrendt wrote: VA [Reply to: »ztrader« · 2009-02-24 · 23:19 h (CET)] VA Moin, Ztrader! TheBat accesses 198.63.208.135 when it starts running. Anyone know why it does that, who that might be, and what info is sent there? VA Maybe the automatic check for updates? VA = Options|Preferences...|Updates Ah - that looks like what it probably is. Just updated, and perhaps that's the installed default - I usually update manually. I'll see what happens when I start the Bat again. I didn't want to see theBat become yet another call-home program... Thanks for the info! ztrader Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to get MicroEd to use us-ascii?
On Thursday, May 8, 2008, 11:45:04 AM, Dwight A Corrin wrote: DAC On Thursday, May 8, 2008, 1:33:59 PM, ztrader wrote: How can I set an option to have MicroEd use us-ascii [or some font that Outlook can handle absolutely reliably] for a particular folder and still keep the editing features? DAC Your message shows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit H that's odd. When I compose a note from this folder and save it to the outbox, then look at the headers in the outbox, I get Subject: test font MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit which sounds right since I have Western European (ISO) set for this folder. I also checked the previous note I sent, and it had the same coding in the headers before I sent it. The headers for THIS EMAIL copied from the OUTBOX, before sending, are Subject: Re[2]: How to get MicroEd to use us-ascii? In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Let me send it and see what gets received... ztrader Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: How to get MicroEd to use us-ascii?
On Friday, May 9, 2008, 11:24:20 AM, ztrader wrote: z On Thursday, May 8, 2008, 11:45:04 AM, Dwight A Corrin wrote: DAC On Thursday, May 8, 2008, 1:33:59 PM, ztrader wrote: How can I set an option to have MicroEd use us-ascii [or some font that Outlook can handle absolutely reliably] for a particular folder and still keep the editing features? DAC Your message shows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit z H that's odd. When I compose a note from this folder and save z it to the outbox, then look at the headers in the outbox, I get z Subject: test font z MIME-Version: 1.0 z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 z Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit z which sounds right since I have Western European (ISO) set for this z folder. I also checked the previous note I sent, and it had the same z coding in the headers before I sent it. z The headers for THIS EMAIL copied from the OUTBOX, before sending, are z Subject: Re[2]: How to get MicroEd to use us-ascii? z In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] z References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] z [EMAIL PROTECTED] z MIME-Version: 1.0 z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 z Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit z Let me send it and see what gets received... Hmmm... interesting this email has Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit which does not seem to be what was in the outbox before sending. Why are these different? ztrader Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to get MicroEd to use us-ascii?
On Friday, May 9, 2008, 1:15:53 PM, Roelof Otten wrote: RO Hallo ztrader, RO On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:30:33 -0700GMT (9-5-2008, 20:30 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Z Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Z which does not seem to be what was in the outbox before sending. Why Z are these different? RO What is in the Sent Mail folder after sending? Good question - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit is in all 3 sent headers. RO And the mail server might change something... An interesting possibility. I'll check on that. Would the list software perhaps change such things? This email, in the outbox, is different [Latin 9] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Let's see what gets sent... :-) ztrader Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to get MicroEd to use us-ascii?
A couple of Outlook users have reported that my emails to them look 'messed up'. This seems to happen when TB uses the windows-1252 font and 8-bit coding - the result of having Plain Text (MicroEd) selected. If I select Plain Text (Windows) instead, I get 7-bit us-ascii and all seems to be OK. If I set Plain Text (Windows), though, I seem to lose some editing/formatting features. How can I set an option to have MicroEd use us-ascii [or some font that Outlook can handle absolutely reliably] for a particular folder and still keep the editing features? I don't seem to see that as a choice, and windows-1252 does not seem to be there either. I am interested in plain text only - no HTML. Thanks, ztrader Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Moving TB to a new computer
On Saturday, November 22, 2003, 3:01:50 AM, Tony Boom wrote: TB Hello ztrader, TB A reminder of what ztrader typed on: TB 22 November 2003 at 22:03:08 GMT -0800 z What do I have to move to the Win2000 computer z to keep everything I have 'as is'? TB Zip up the whole TB! folder and move it over to the same place on the TB new PC. z If I just duplicate the C: and D: z directory structures I have, and copy all the files, will it work? TB Run this little batch file which will save all the registry settings TB and then run the reg file on the new PC. Assuming you have the same TB folder structure, C: D: eyc, it should work OK. Thanks VERY much!! It worked well. ztrader Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Moving TB to a new computer
I'd like to move TB from a win98 computer to a Win2000 computer. I have a dozen or so accounts and a couple of hundred folders, with lots of custom settings and filters. Some of the accounts are in different directories, on disk D. What do I have to move to the Win2000 computer to keep everything I have 'as is'? If I just duplicate the C: and D: directory structures I have, and copy all the files, will it work? Thanks, IA, ztrader Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Blanking Reply-to: field for a folder?
On Saturday, May 31, 2003, 1:22:16 PM, Roelof Otten wrote: RO So your only option would be to empty the account reply-to and RO fill in those that are necessary for good behaviour. A good suggestion, but I just wanted to do that for one folder. Thanks. ztrader Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Blanking Reply-to: field for a folder?
On Saturday, May 31, 2003, 5:14:58 PM, Carsten Thönges wrote: CT You can use %REPLYTO= in your templates. That blanks the CT Reply-To: field. Aha - an excellent idea. I'll have to try that. In the meantime, since this folder is for a list, and the replies always go to the same place, I put the list address in the field. Thanks. ztrader Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!: vampire
You might find this interesting - your email is thought to be spam according to a good spam filter. :-) I've included the filter analysis part so you can see why. ztrader On Sunday, March 2, 2003, 6:39:16 AM, Task Control wrote: TC SPAM: Start SpamAssassin results -- TC SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered TC SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future. TC SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. TC SPAM: TC SPAM: Content analysis details: (7.60 hits, 5 required) TC SPAM: IN_REP_TO (-0.8 points) Found a In-Reply-To header TC SPAM: REFERENCES (-0.5 points) Has a valid-looking References header TC SPAM: USER_AGENT_THEBAT (0.3 points) X-Mailer header indicates a non-spam MUA (The Bat!) TC SPAM: SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 (0.8 points) BODY: Spam phrases score is 00 to 01 (low) TC SPAM:[score: 0] TC SPAM: SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE (-0.3 points) Long signature present (empty lines) TC SPAM: RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM (0.4 points) RBL: Received via a relay in relays.osirusoft.com TC SPAM:[RBL check: found 49.58.62.200.relays.osirusoft.com., type: 127.0.0.4] TC SPAM: RCVD_IN_RFCI (2.3 points) RBL: Received via a relay in ipwhois.rfc-ignorant.org TC SPAM:[RBL check: found 49.58.62.200.ipwhois.rfc-ignorant.org., type: 127.0.0.6] TC SPAM: RCVD_IN_SBL(3.2 points) RBL: Received via SBLed relay, see http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/ TC SPAM:[RBL check: found 49.58.62.200.sbl.spamhaus.org.] TC SPAM: X_OSIRU_SPAM_SRC (2.7 points) RBL: DNSBL: sender is Confirmed Spam Source TC SPAM: AWL(-0.5 points) AWL: Auto-whitelist adjustment TC SPAM: TC SPAM: End of SpamAssassin results - TC Estimados seguidores del tbudl arroba thebat.dutaint.com: TC En relación a lo que Paul en su momento posteó: PC very nice, but what is it TC It is a plug'in for the new The Bat 1.63+ Series, and this the bat TC versions are in beta testing now. (currently Beta7) PC and what does it do? TC Scan yours mail message and if it find any spam, it kill it. The User TC need configure and define the rules to know when some mail is spam. TC Some mail can be suspect to spam, the user define it's again. And this TC mails will be puted in a junk mail folder (you can rescue it). PC The web page said to download it, but there was no info on the PC product, TC When you was installed it, you can see a readme file. PC and the authors web page was in Spanish ( Chilean?). TC Yeah, Chilean, The southest country in america (pacific ocean side) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!: vampire
On Sunday, March 2, 2003, 11:14:57 AM, Miguel A. Urech wrote: MAU Hello ztrader, You might find this interesting - your email is thought to be spam according to a good spam filter. :-) I've included the filter analysis part so you can see why. MAU Well, then the filter perhaps is not that good :-) It wasn't flagged as MAU spam by my POPFile which is running on 99.43% accuracy. I get 500-600 emails a day, and it typically misplaces only one email every 1-3 days - not bad, I'd say. Also, I have it set 'tight' so it is more likely to have a false positive (as this was) than to pollute an otherwise good folder. I just sent it along to let the writer know the items that were causing it to get flagged. There was a bit of humor because the writer was talking about an anti-spam program. ztrader Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!:vampire
On Sunday, March 2, 2003, 1:22:55 PM, Task Control wrote: TC Estimados seguidores del tbudl arroba thebat.dutaint.com: TC En relación a lo que ztrader en su momento posteó: z I've included the filter analysis part so you can see why. TC I analzie this but o do not understand why. z SPAM: SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 (0.8 points) BODY: Spam phrases score is 00 to 01 (low) z SPAM: RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM (0.4 points) RBL: Received via z SPAM: RCVD_IN_RFCI (2.3 points) RBL: Received via a z relay in ipwhois.rfc-ignorant.org z SPAM: RCVD_IN_SBL(3.2 points) RBL: Received via z SBLed relay, see http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/ TC The route that follow the mail? can i change this? i think not. It seems as though most of the 'score' is from your routing. Without the routing, your email would be a rather low score and would get through easily. You might ask your ISP why they are using a confirmed spammer route, and forward the above headers to them to help them check it out. ztrader Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!:vampire
On Sunday, March 2, 2003, 2:54:50 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP FYI - Osiris also BLs Dial-up users like me Why do they do that? MDP so this message will MDP get a positive score from them too. It's a *bad* test! The score for your message was only 0.7, with 5.0 as the trigger - reasonably low. It would seem as though there were enough other factors to compensate for the Osiris factor. Some factors are negative, and subtract from an otherwise high score from routing. There was a rather big discussion about including Osiris, etc in the scoring. Many seemed to be innocent users who had an ISP that was not good about curtailing spam. Most people thought it would, overall, be a good idea to keep it, and so I left the usual BL suspects in. This was in part because I wanted a 'tight' scoring, but it seems to work very well even with these included. ztrader Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!:vampire
On Sunday, March 2, 2003, 4:24:59 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP Because the *nix propeller heads that think they own the Internet MDP don't think that any serious mail server user should hide behind MDP a dial-up connection. I can believe that. An unfortunately large number of *nix people are not known for having open minds. :- ztrader Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to copy message to 2 folders?
Is there a way to use sorting (or something else) to copy certain incoming emails so it ends up in two different folders? Thanks, ztrader Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to copy message to 2 folders?
On Monday, January 13, 2003, 1:20:58 PM, ztrader wrote: z Is there a way to use sorting (or something else) to copy certain z incoming emails so it ends up in two different folders? Thanks much for the two responses - I found it. ztrader Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
email on CD ROM - how?
Is there a way to get TB to *easily* read archived email that is on a CD ROM, without transferring the files off the CD? The CD would NOT always be in the drive, and the contents of the CD might be quite different for different archives. It would be nice if TB would not crash or otherwise object, no matter what is on the CD. Is there a way to do this easily? (I know I could import files to a folder - I'm looking for an even easier way to just plug it in and read 'em.) Thanks, ztrader Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: TB phones home, sends spam?
On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 9:11:30 AM, Peter Palmreuther wrote: PP To the 'The Bat! is phoning home and causing UCE' problem: TB! is PP _not_ phoning home (have tested this with network capture!) and it PP seems you (ztrader) in fact only got the 'welcome' message, PP hardcoded into the program. Thanks much for the explanation for how it got there. My confidence in TB privacy protection has gone back up. :-) It might be better if there was a mention of this in the 'welcome note', to take care of the worries of us paranoid people. ztrader Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
TB phones home, sends spam?
I recently moved TB to another computer, and in the process of setting it up, I get an *unsolicited* email to the account that I was setting up. The only way that could have happened is that TB called home (*without* asking), reporting that address, and then sent a spam email. This does not sound as though TB is respecting privacy at all. I am VERY disappointed! ztrader Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
GIF blank in TB 1.60c
I have a few .gif graphics attachments that appear blank in TB, but are visible in other apps. Looking at the first few chrs in hex, the blank files start with GIF87a. Most gif's seem to be GIF89a and display OK in TB. Is this a limitation in TB viewer? Any fix for this? Thanks, ztrader Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Virus in TB!
On Wednesday, May 23, 2001, 2:49:34 PM, Byron Steckel wrote: BS Norton can identify it but can't do anything to clean this problem BS out. Other posts explain what is happening - I will not repeat them, but - Be careful. On my setup, NOrton SAYS it has deleted/cleaned the file, but if I then examine the file, the virus is STILL there. I have been deleting them manually to make sure they're gone, so they will not be detected on the next virus scan. ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[7]: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
On Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 6:12:59 PM, Ben Mills wrote: BM But the problem is Ritlabs lack of response to known security BM issues. Hackers will have a heyday with TB if Ritlabs continues to BM bury its head in the sand instead of promptly addressing these BM issues. True, but only if it rises above the semi-obscure level it is at now. In part, we are secure because of 'obscurity', but that is not the same as real security. BM Ritlabs should have notified its clients and had a reg edit BM executable on its site for download. I look to TB as a relatively 'secure' and privacy-respecting email client. I appreciate ANYTHING that Rit does to make these two better, and your suggestion is a good one. BM I'm very glad you did mention it. Your bringing this security BM issue out in the light of day could save many folks a bunch of BM grief. True. In many ways, we are an accident(attack) waiting to happen. BM They need to break into the US corporate market to get much BM attention and become a major player. If they do this, they will become a major target as well. It would be good for the security strengths, including fast patches, to keep up with the popularity - we'll need more, and faster, as it get more popular. ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Help avoiding accidents. Was: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
On Sunday, April 29, 2001, 10:41:34 AM, Rob wrote: R of course. but accidents do happen ... 1 click too much or too fast R and it's over :-( So do I. I appreciate the warnings TB gives now, and would like to have an option to enhance them. For example, would it be possible to give a stronger or more persistent warning if an attachment has a double extension (.gif.exe, for example)? This would give an extra warning to be a bit more careful. I'm sure there are other enhancements that would help, too. Some people want only raw speed. If it is an option, those who wish to avoid the extra popups would not see them if the so wish. STRONG security and privacy are the most important features of TB, in my view, and enhancing them would make it even better. ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
NAV does NOT delete viruses in TB temp files.
Norton AV does NOT seem to delete viruses that it finds in temp files created by TB. NAV SAYS they are deleted, but they are not. Be careful. ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: FAQ's and sealing wax
On Tuesday, April 17, 2001, 11:47:27 AM, David Robert Austen wrote: DRA Makes sense that "newbies" be asked to contribute some special DRA FAQs for other newbies. "Old pros" can "look over the shoulder" DRA and be sure the facts are right. DRA But the newbie's own descriptions and labels (nomenclature) will DRA likely be more appropriate for the other newbies that have general DRA questions. Very good idea! TB really NEEDS better documentation, especially for newbies. Would it make sense to post the FAQ sections, as they are completed, to a special list - BatFaqs, for example? In emails, the idea would be to build a FAQ section instead of simply answering a question. The form of emails would be different, with answers placed within or at the end of an already-existing answer, without quotes, instead of the usual separate add-on to the previous email. When all the answers have been combined into a single Q and A form,it would be forwarded to the special list. Granted, this might mush together answers from several people, and make it a bit harder to see who said what, but the final result would be a question and answer pair that could become part of a FAQ directly. What do you think? ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Tuesday, April 10, 2001, 1:19:46 PM, Anton Sommer wrote: AS there are dozents of temp files in the temp-dir. They are still AS there when I close TB. AS Is that usual? Yes. With ver 1.51, I usually get 1000 files! I just checked, and over the last two weeks or so, I have 1170 temp files from TB. ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: When are we going to see true type fonts in TB?
On Wednesday, April 11, 2001, 1:56:56 PM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: PGH When are we going to be able to use something else than PGH fixed-width fonts in the Bat? MDP Never, I hope. I'll second that! I really LIKE these fonts, too, for the reasons you mentioned, and others. TB makes it easy to use them also. If anything, I'd like to see any possible improvements in handling/editing/filtering text much before adding fancy fonts or HTML. But, I'm mostly interested in the information content of messages, not how pretty they look. :-) ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: The Bat! and AVG Anti Virus
On Tuesday, March 27, 2001, 1:02:47 PM, syv wrote: s Actually, you are mistaken. Viruses can be spread through RTF s files. RTF files and documents are supposed to be ASCII only, and s there can be macro viruses. How can this happen? AFAIK RTF does not have 'dangerous commands'. Is this just an odd behavior of Outlook? Could you give an (innocuous) example? Thanks, ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Filter question (was: Regex question)
On Monday, March 19, 2001, 11:09:31 PM, Thomas wrote: z This structure is sometimes prefixed with another word or two as: z [pre1.. pren] Startword stuff in the middle Endword T No prob, as long as both keywords are in the subject somewhere, it'll T work. Thanks for the suggestion. Actually, the reason for the regex is that I want to filter ONLY if Startword is the FIRST word and Endword is the LAST word. If they are in any other positions, or if one is missing, the message is not filtered. The positions are important. It is actually a bit more complex - Startword and Endword can be one of about 3 words each. I first wanted to see if the pre part could be eliminated, and Startword recognized as the "start". Thanks, ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Not view HTML mail?
Is there a way to set TB to view text, not HTML, as the 'default', even when there is a HTML message there? Thank, ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Not view HTML mail?
On Monday, March 19, 2001, 4:04:55 PM, A Curtis Martin wrote: z Is there a way to set TB to view text, not HTML, as the 'default', z even when there is a HTML message there? ACM In the main window, under 'options' untick the option 'HTML-autoview'. Thanks, ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Not view HTML mail?
On Monday, March 19, 2001, 7:42:29 PM, Thomas wrote: T On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:58:04 -0800GMT (20/03/2001, 07:58 +0800GMT), T ztrader wrote: z Is there a way to set TB to view text, not HTML, as the 'default', z even when there is a HTML message there? T Why would you want to do that? T duck run You better! This might open up the text vs HTML wars again. :-) I was trying to be as discreet as possible so as not to do that. If I mentioned I like text better, we'd have 50 replies defending HTML. Keep the peace, brothers and sisters. :-))) ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Regex question
I'd like to filter on a subject line. The structure is: Startword stuff in the middle Endword This structure is sometimes prefixed with another word or two as: [pre1.. pren] Startword stuff in the middle Endword The 1-3 words in the beginning are always surrounded by square brackets [ ]. What I'd like to do is ignore the brackets, and any words in the brackets, and still be able to filter on Startword and Endword. How can I do that? T much IA, ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: How to NOT get messages for an account?
On Tuesday, March 13, 2001, 3:33:07 PM, Dave Gorman wrote: z Question: how can I set TBat to NOT get mail for an account when z alt-f2 is pressed? DG In Account Properties go to Options and check "Ignore 'Check all accounts' DG Request". That seems to do the trick for me. Thanks much, ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to NOT get messages for an account?
I have a number of accounts that I get with alt-f2, but some are 'fake' accounts that can send mail OK but are unable to get mail. Older versions of TBat ignored the 'get', and timed out, and alt-f2 got all the mail without intervention. The new version presumably wants to update the fake accounts with a password, since it can't connect. Trouble is, a message box requiring a response comes up and needs a response to go away. Question: how can I set TBat to NOT get mail for an account when alt-f2 is pressed? Thanks, ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
BAT and freedom.net?
Is anyone running TheBat with a freedom.net proxy? If so, any problems in using the two together? Thanks, ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Bat Bug - temp files?
I noticed there were a very large number of temp files still in my Win/temp dir. It seems TheBat does not delete them when it is done using the temp files. No big deal, but does fill up the drive if it goes on for long. ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: how use The Bat for news...?
On Monday, January 08, 2001, 2:01:24 AM, David Buntenbroich wrote: DB Since it is partly in German I suggest a couple newsservers to you DB which seems to carry all or most of hamster.* (and DB hamster.en.misc): I found it on a .nl server. The English groups are: hamster.en.scripts - For discussions of scripts/modules hamster.en.config - details on the basic configurations hamster.en.misc - anything else Thanks much for the leads, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: how use The Bat for news...?
On Sunday, January 07, 2001, 8:46:14 AM, Kari Jakobi wrote: KJ The newsgroup is Hamster.en.misc it's english speaking and Hamster KJ is supposed to handle the job. I don't seem to have this NG available, although I do have many under the misc.z hierarchy. Could it be misc.hamster.en perhaps? If not, do you know a news server that carries it? Thanks, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: how use The Bat for news...?
On Sunday, January 07, 2001, 4:12:58 PM, Urban wrote: U There is a list of servers and a couple of at nice links at U http://www.nethamster.org. I did not see mention of hamster.misc.en at this site, or on any of the links listed at this site. Still looking. :-) Thanks for the reply, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT: Re: news lists Opera
On Sunday, December 10, 2000, 10:35:56 PM, Douglas Hinds wrote: ACM It would therefore seem that if you're a registered Opera 4 ACM user, the adware is not installed. I installed version 5 on top ACM of my registered version 4. Did you do the checks AFTER you installed ver 5? DH I wonder if the same would be true for my registered version 3.6x? My understanding is that this is new with ver 5 only. ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: OT: Re: news lists Opera
On Monday, December 11, 2000, 3:00:21 PM, A. Curtis Martin wrote: ACM It would therefore seem that if you're a registered Opera 4 ACM user, the adware is not installed. I installed version 5 on ACM top of my registered version 4. z Did you do the checks AFTER you installed ver 5? ACM Yes I did. Good news. Perhaps they really don't do a full spyware install if you are already registered. Can anyone verify that they don't contact the 'registration server' during the install? Thanks, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: news lists
On Sunday, December 10, 2000, 1:06:09 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote: JRThanks for educating me. I'm currently fooling around with JROpera v5 as well which seems to have a news reader. Opera is now spyware. See alt.privacy and alt.privacy.spyware and see also http://accs-net.com/smallfish/cydoor.htm ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Can't stop looking for mail
Sometimes, when I do an alt-f2 to get all my mail, one of the accounts hangs and will refuse to stop. As I write this, I am looking at a "Receiving Mail" box that has been open for about 45 minutes. Clicking on cancel or close does not get it to stop. It does not time out. How can I get it to stop? Thanks, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Can't stop looking for mail
On Monday, December 04, 2000, 12:50:40 PM, Manfred Ell wrote: ME On 04-12-2000 at 20:36:31GMT + (which was 20:36 where I live) ME Marck D. Pearlstone wrote regarding the subject of "Can't stop looking for mail" MDP I can't confirm it as a bug. I used to suffer from the original bug MDP that was fixed in 1.47 but haven't seen the problem Paul mentions MDP since the problem was fixed. ME Neither can I, though I have been bitten by the former bug. Might have to look for quite a while to be sure. Even in the old version with the bug, it only happened to me on a very intermittent basis. It worked OK *almost* all the time. ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Which header line sets Created date/time?
I'm getting some strange "Created" dates (in 2026) for a few messages, and would like to know which header field sets this date. If I save the message as an .mbx file it does not seem to have this date anywhere. Sure messes up the sorting :-). Thanks, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Missing folder
On Thursday, November 02, 2000, 11:39:30 PM, Januk Aggarwal wrote: JA Close down TB and rename the .tbi file of the offending folder. JA This should recreate the index, and hopefully your messages will JA come back to life. I tried that earlier (saving a copy of the original file, too) but it did not seem to help. Thanks, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Missing folder
On Friday, November 03, 2000, 5:36:24 AM, Ming-Li wrote: ML 1. Go to the folder, and check deleted messages (from the menu ML "Folder | Browse deleted messages"). If they're there, they were ML accidentally deleted. You may move all or some of them back by ML using drag-n-drop. I tried this, but only the 'new' messages appear to be in the folder. ML 2. Do a global search for a message that you're sure to be in that ML folder, and see if it turns up elsewhere. They might have been moved ML accidentally. Tried that, but did not find any errant messages. ML The re-indexing trick as Januk suggested is quick and effective, but ML please be reminded it has a couple of side effects: I appreciate that there might be some things that will happen, but at this point, I'd just like to get the messages back. Thanks much, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Missing folder
On Friday, November 03, 2000, 12:24:46 PM, ztrader wrote: z On Friday, November 03, 2000, 10:42:30 AM, Ming-Li wrote: ML I'm out of tricks and out of wits. :( z I know the feeling. I had an idea and tried it. The message file looks almost like a unix format file, so I tried editing it to make it look like a unix file. I removed the initial binary header which is long, and the later headers which are smaller and all the same size. I added a fake From line at the top of each message to conform to the unix format, and it DID import successfully! I now am able to see ALL the messages again! They don't have the index info to go with them, but at least I can see them. I still don't know what might have happened to make them 'invisible' even though they were in the file. A rather brute force 'undelete', but it did work :-). Thanks to all for your help, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Missing folder
On Thursday, November 02, 2000, 9:25:20 PM, -= Ana Paula =- wrote: AP CTRL + ALT + SHIFT + L Says "no lost folders found". Sounds right - the folder is not lost, it is big enough to have many msgs, and it is a file on the disk, in the right place. Not lost, but only showing one msg (now two :-). Any other ideas? It would seem that all the msgs were marked as deleted. I can see them by viewing the file directly, but they don't show up in TB. Is there an UNDELETE command to restore deleted msgs in a folder? That might fix it, but I'd have to see what's really there to make sure. Thanks, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Missing folder
On Thursday, November 02, 2000, 9:57:35 PM, Ming-Li wrote: ML So the folder isn't missing, but messages in it are, right? Yes. ML My first instinct is that you unintentionally "set up" a display ML filter. Do you know that you may click on any field of a message ML in the message list pane while holding down the Alt key, and ML create an instant display filter? ML E.g., in your TBUDL folder (if you have one), find a message by ML yourself, and click on your own name while holding down the Alt key, ML then TB would show only messages from you. This is one of my ML favorite feature about TB. ML To undo it, just hit ESC or "Ctrl =". Hey - that's nice! Just tried it. But that does not seem to be the problem in that folder. Even tried a restart of TB, and it still has only a few msgs. I can see much more looking at the file directly with an editor. They're there, just not showing up in TB. Thanks for the help, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
[OT] Relliable backup tape system
I have a pair of 8 Gig HP Colorado tape drives that I've used for some time. One has quit entirely, and the other is getting quite unreliable. HP suggests 'discarding them' - can't be fixed. I have about 12 Gigs on the computer with the tape drive, and about 20 Gigs on the local net. I'd appreciate any suggestions for a 20-30 Gig tape drive and good backup software. Don't want to clutter the list - please reply direct (unless you have a super solution all would like to hear :-). TIA, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Epilepsy and computer programs
On Thursday, October 05, 2000, 8:09:25 AM, you wrote: ND It doesn't show ignorance, it shows a sense of humor - the best ND way to deal with any situation. U the other way might be to offer some useful information or ideas. For example, are there different colors used in the different programs, or is the effective 'flicker frequency' different because there are large areas of the screen in alternating dark/light shades? An interesting research topic, perhaps. Just a thought... ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Regex?
On Wednesday, September 27, 2000, 9:55:17 PM, you wrote: M I made a 'little' typo. The URL should be: M http://physlab.sci.ccnv.cunv.edu/%7Eorvcc/vim-regex.html I can't get that to work either. Even the http://physlab.sci.ccnv.cunv.edu part does not work. ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: EMACS feature for TB!
On Wednesday, September 27, 2000, 12:20:53 AM, you wrote: JD Last night Deryk and I sat down and worked out a few strategies. JD We decided that a LISP style adaptive scorer would not easily work JD for this application so we adapted the /. and k5 style scoring. JD Altough designed for web based forums I think they can be adapted JD for mail. Can you use this for scoring spam, as is done now with procmail/Unix? This might be quite interesting to all of us, especially if it could be done with Win-based tools. ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Can Americans speak English? Tonight of TBUDL you decide!
On Tuesday, September 26, 2000, 3:40:46 AM, you wrote: RBBC And finally, folks who buy it in Europe, it's not like you're RBBC paying for it with real money. ;-) JD And finally for folks living in America it's not like you're speaking JD proper English. In, like, America, it's, like, teenage English, and with time, like, most people will, like, get over this, like, disease :-). (Seems to be worst in the San Fernando valley of California - watch out for it if you visit there, and take a translator :-). ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: filter problems and questions.
On Thursday, September 21, 2000, 2:11:15 PM, you wrote: KS I'm not so sure that it's a good idea to add a rule for each and KS every spam address: there are simply to many addresses from which True - I currently have a filtering list of 3081 addresses, and it still misses some :-). ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: scripts languages, was Re[4]: filter problems and questions.
On Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 4:12:35 AM, you wrote: z But, when TB allows external filter scripts... can't wait :-). KE Let's hope they will never come, or if they do, that it's so KE simplistic that even a total idiot when it comes to programming in any KE shape or form like me can use it. heck i can't even make web pages KE without using Microsoft Frontpage... 'Nuff ranting.:-) I was NOT suggesting replacing the current rules with scripting. The current rules are quite good and MUCH easier than a script. I, too, could not program the code in Spam Bouncer - I just use it. But, consider another possibility - suppose scripts were available. This list would be a perfect place to cooperatively develop some VERY effective spam filtering scripts - people could do parts and add them, updates could be done as needed, new spammer techniques could be brought up for discussion, etc. I believe all of us would benefit from this. Your thoughts? A good idea? ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: scripts languages, was Re[4]: filter problems and questions.
On Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 9:54:42 AM, you wrote: z But, consider another possibility - suppose scripts were z available. This list would be a perfect place to cooperatively z develop some VERY effective spam filtering scripts - people could z do parts and add them, updates could be done as needed, new z spammer techniques could be brought up for discussion, etc. I z believe all of us would benefit from this. KE Maybe it's ok for a screen reader that has to deal with very KE complex non-standard windows, controls etc, but i'd hate to se it KE in a good mailer like this, if the scripting language weren't KE made in a simple yet powerful way. What I'm referring to is ONLY a filtering script, which would be completely OPTIONAL. This would not affect anything about the screen or anything else in the program, and could be ignored if you desire. In Spam Bouncer, I just copy the file and use it - I don't have to do ANYTHING to it, although there is a very small additional file that has one's account information in it. I was thinking of something similar for TB. I'm not sure I understand why you are objecting to having an option that would not affect you in any way, unless you choose to use it. Regarding power and simplicity, to get a lot of power often requires a bit of complexity. This complexity can be 'transparent', as it tends to be with Visual Basic, or relatively 'opaque' as it is with many Unix-style tools, such as RegExp's. The 'transparency' is more often a larger problem for beginner/occasional users than the complexity. ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Sort on attachment?
Is it possible to sort files in a window so that all the emails with attachments would be grouped together? Also, is there a way to filter emails with attachments so that they will all go in a folder? Thanks, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Sort on attachment?
On Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 6:05:42 PM, you wrote: snip some good answers Thanks much, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: SMTP - what is sent?
On Monday, September 18, 2000, 9:25:16 PM, you wrote: JT In addition to what Syafril said, you might also want to check for JT any %from macros in your templates, and folder-level identities. Do these change the user name, or just get the user name from properties? How could they change the name? Appreciate your help... ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: SMTP - what is sent?
On Monday, September 18, 2000, 11:20:39 PM, you wrote: TF Of course: 1.) Go to the send box, selexct your message and take a TF look at the headers (shft-ctrl-K). 2.) Go to the log and see what TF had been sent This found the problem. I had generated a message, placed it in the outbox, could not send it, and left it in the outbox. Then I heard about the lower case problem. I changed all the 'properties' to lower case, and tried tosend the message again - but the OLD message still had the ucase user name, and of course, would not send. Well, DUH, now that I checked the actual message that I was trying to send, the problem is very obvious :-). Thanks for rattling my braing... ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: SMTP - what is sent?
On Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 9:33:42 AM, you wrote: JT ...then you can use this macro: %from="" %from="Xtrader JT [EMAIL PROTECTED]" Thanks much - didn't realize one could do that... ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: filter problems and questions.
On Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 8:28:29 PM, you wrote: j That's all I want to do. Sort through the mail just exactly like I j do it with snail mail. It sounds easy, and humans do it with little apparent effort, but it is actually a complex problem. You want to do what I, and many others, want to do. I played with this for a while and the best solution I could find was a free program (Spam Bouncer) that runs under Unix (I'm not recommending this to you, just illustrating what it seems to take). Anyway, if you look at this code it is MANY pages of rather complex stuff (hint re complexity - almost every line is filled with regular expressions :-). And this code is updated every few weeks to keep up with the latest spammer techniques. The good news is that it works quite well - I get a very high rate of correct filtering for this - but to do that well takes quite a lot of code. I don't believe it is reasonable to expect this level of performance with the simple filtering in TB. But, when TB allows external filter scripts... can't wait :-). ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Replying to your message dated Thursday, September 14, 2000, at 9:54 AM
On Sunday, September 17, 2000, 11:12:31 PM, you wrote: TF Wait a minute. Whether I get a link sent to me whcih points to a file TF or I get the file as an email attachment, is the same security risk: TF either I click on it or not. I thought you were advocating sending a 'hollow' message with only a link, then TB AUTOMATICALLY gets the content and opens/executes it with no operator intervention. This would make it look to the operator as though the link were the message. Convenient and transparent, but a hazard. As long as the viewer knows that it is a download and can intervene, it is essentially the same as what TB does now. Not a problem. TF Only, with the FTP, I have to download (duplicate) it onto my TF designated drive first. Best for checking the file. TF No, the link idea is good. I have never seen it work, but I like it TF and see no special security reasons to forbid it. As long as it is not opened/executed automatically. Probably was not as clear as I could have been on the objection. ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: Replying to your message dated Thursday, September 14, 2000, at 9:54 AM
On Monday, September 18, 2000, 10:03:59 AM, you wrote: DH But, it can only work when sender *and* receiver DH have access to the used hard drive (so both can open the file) - Sorry to be one of the "illiterate", but I've never used this. Always good to know more, though, so I am trying to understand it. I'm a bit unclear about 'access'. Are you saying that the file is not sent over the net as a file, but opened as though it were a regular local net file? DH no DH one can bring in a virus this way. If the document is a Word document, for example, could it not contain a virus, and thus 'bring it in' when the doc is opened? DH And can only come from within the DH company's network. Could I reference a readable file on any computer, anywhere? Why only within the company? Thanks, ztrader the illiterate -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re[3]: Questions (I'm still too new a user)
On Monday, September 18, 2000, 4:10:19 PM, you wrote: ACM You may associate a memo with each message and there is a ACM column that you may add to your message list to view the memos. Where are these stored? If I archive messages, does this go along with each message? ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Adding header line for TB-processed mail?
Is there a way to add a header line to mail that is read with TB? I save some mail, and would like to distinguish mail read with TB from mail read another way. The mail of both kinds would be archived together. Something like: X-readby: TheBat Thanks, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
SMTP - what is sent?
I have a mail account that I can no longer send mail to. There is supposedly an issue which now requires all lower case characters in the user name. When I set up the account in TB, it was set up as U, with the first char in upper case, the rest lower case. I went to properties and changed everything (I think :-) to lower case. However, when I try to send mail, I still get an error that says: [EMAIL PROTECTED] no such user. The error message still has the name with a leading Ucase letter. I can receive mail, so there is such an account. Question: How can I be sure TB is not sending out an SMTP request with U? Did I not find all the places where it needs to be changed? Is it stored in the registry, perhaps? Any ideas to check this out to see if the problem is at my end or theirs? Thanks, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re[3]: Replying to your message dated Thursday, September 14, 2000, at 9:54 AM
On Sunday, September 17, 2000, 10:57:57 AM, you wrote: DH No. Links as in Windows 9x. The company I write for wants us to send DH just links to documents and not the documents itself to hold net DH traffic down (good idea). As with everything, there is the good and the bad. DH Problem with TB!: It is handled just as another file, if you double DH click it, it does not do anything Thank heavens! I, for one, do NOT want TB to download and open/execute some unknown file from wherever. This looks like a massive security hole, ala M$ programs. If you want to do these kinds of things, use OE. Please do NOT put these kinds of capabilities in TB. Why not send it as a web reference? These are OK in TB, plus, they are of use to people NOT using M$ products :-). Let's not help M$ tighten their strangle hold any more by spreading their non-standards. ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Scanning for Duplicate Emails - A 'proper' TBUDL discussion! :)
On Sunday, September 17, 2000, 6:49:36 PM, you wrote: JA Folder - Kill Dupes or Folder - Kill Dupes in All Folders What is a dupe? If I get the same message but with different headers, is it still a dupe? ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: New user, lotsa questions
On Saturday, September 16, 2000, 7:57:18 PM, you wrote: KS Please do not use language like this here. KS In that case, please inform subscribers via the majardomo welcome message. Most people do not need this spelled out for them, they just don't do it as a matter of course in a polite group. KS So I came here. And now you say I can't say chili peppers? Fuck. And even after being asked nicely, you still persist. KS KS There's no discussing taste. In your case, perhaps not. I, too, prefer to have a forum that is free of profanity. I do hope you find another email client and support list that pleases you. (quickly jumps in fireproof suit, awaiting the flamers attack :-) ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reasons why html mail shouldn't be used
On Friday, September 15, 2000, 12:29:09 AM, you wrote: JD TB! still doesn't support bold and underline because it's *plain* Hey - somebody else can put emphasis in plain text :-). *I* understood it just fine. JD Note the use of PDF, Word JD documents are not a universal format. Thank the heavens :-). JD It is impolite to force people JD to use Word just to view your mail. Agreed! JD Also JD word files are real bloatware. And can be dangerous to open :-(((. ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: HTML mail
On Friday, September 15, 2000, 2:03:27 AM, you wrote: JH I shall watch for version 2 with interest - I certainly don't /always/ JH want to send in HTML, but I like to have the choice. You could always fire up the M$ bloatware :-). That *is* a choice. JH My other irritation with TB's handling of multiple accounts is that JH there is no easy button/key combination to collect email from all JH accounts. Try alt-f2. JH John Hinson (in plain text, I hope!) Plain as can be - love it :-). ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: Replying to your message dated Thursday, September 14, 2000, at 9:54 AM
On Friday, September 15, 2000, 7:50:31 AM, you wrote: DH "Flash" reminds me: I just happened to have to read a homepage that DH was written totally in Flash. And actually all of it could have been DH made in HTML. Yep - more of that wrong-way trend. DH I gather that in not too long a time someone wants to have Flash DH e-mail. Or whatever multimedia "standard" will come ;-). Maybe mpeg movies. Then we'll have a 23,000,000 byte email file whose real content is "I agree". But - you'll be able to see his smiling face say "I agree" :-). (Shivers at the thought this might actually happen...) ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: HTML mail
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 10:10:51 AM, you wrote: SL has better sorting What is better? ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Saving old mail?
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 1:49:42 PM, you wrote:
PS To be sure that TB! doesn't get confused, replace the little header
PS just after the boundary line with
PS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
PS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
PS After these two lines leave an empty line and then you can put as many
PS commentary lines ("here was attachment xxx.yyy which i have deleted")
PS as you wish.
Good idea - thanks for the tip. THis is done by a program, not 'me',
so it would not have notes (unless I come up with a really smart
program :-).
ztrader
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Re[2]: Replying to your message dated Thursday, September 14, 2000, at 9:54 AM
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 12:55:09 PM, you wrote: DTS What is it about HTML that DTS scares people so much. Doesn't scare me at all - just a PITA :-). DTS It does not mean that I could put a jscript in DTS a message and nuke your system (well unless you run a windows product DTS :-). Security is a big issue for me - hard to put something bad in just text :-). Can't wait for all the new extensions - neither can the hacker kid down the streetg. DTS I cant understand the bandwidth argument. I store messages of interest in a data base. Adding 12,000 bytes to a 970 byte message (the REAL content) takes up a lot of space. DTS Having the ability to send a message to our users with a toc at the DTS beginning of the note and links to other spots in the note is a great DTS feature. Why not put in a link as text - works OK. DTS So why not just have it optional. Do you think that because some TB DTS users don't like HTML it will stop? Of course not - there are way too many people who value flash over content. Besides, as we dumb-down the population, the pictures will become even more important :-). "Mommy, what's a book?" DTS Isn't going to happen. AND if you want TB to be successful and always DTS be at the top of the reviews it will be an important add-on. If you want flash, get another product. I abandoned them to get TB because it concentrates on things relating to CONTENT, not 'flash'. Keep improving that, and keep security in mind, and it will be an even better product. DTS In fact DTS .. maybe it could be a add-on. I'd rather the developers concentrate on things relating to CONTENT, not 'flash'. No bloatware, please. DTS I do have one question though. When email started there was no bold, DTS underline etc. Should these simple features be removed? Naaahhh - just use *this* for emphasis :-). I take it you understand what that means, no? ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: HTML mail
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 3:30:04 PM, you wrote: SL On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 03:26:33PM -0700, ztrader wrote: On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 10:10:51 AM, you wrote: SL has better sorting What is better? SL That is not enough context to go by. For example, can it do numeric weighting for sorting (if 'zzz' is in the body, add +100 to ProbableSpam variable, and so on...)? Can it sort, then place headers in the mail, then resort to refine the sorting? Can it compare a file of 1-line text strings against the From: header and see if there are any matches? Any of these would be improvements over TB. What sorting functions or operations does it do better? I'm always interested in better sorting :-). ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: HTML mail
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 4:02:43 PM, you wrote: SL PMMail has nicer filtering, Oops - there's that word again :-). I'm very interested in good filtering. What does PMM do better re filtering? ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: HTML mail
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 4:14:06 PM, you wrote: SL With TB! the SL configuration of filters is quite cryptic. I'd have to agree there, although good help files and examples could have answered many of the questions I had. SL limited scripting capabilities in advanced SL mode. Hey - now you're talking. How can I find out more about the scripting? Does it really do useful things? ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Filtering - a big wish
For the wish list: A way to be able to run a script file on a message to do sorting, instead of having built-in functions that get more and more complex. Procmail, for example, can be made to do fantastic things with mail - even if all the functionality of procmail can't be done, a subset would be a major improvement. Or perhaps perl or VB might be used. The idea is to run a script/program instead of placing information in boxes. This would not necessarily replace the boxes, as RE's have not replaced the boxes, but would give a very powerful capability to TB. Just a thought... ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Saving old mail?
I'd like to save old mail messages in TB format. (1) If I do that, is it possible to save only the message file and not the index file? If I then try to read the message file by itself, will it work without the index? (2) The files would be renamed (date, etc added to name). If I do this, can this file be read back easily, or does one have to set up another folder for it? (I DON'T want to mix old and new messages at a later time - just look at old ones only). (3) Is it easier to save as a Unix file instead? I'd prefer this as I then could strip off extra headers and save a bit of space. (4) In a Unix file format, what are the MINIMUM required headers so TB can read it OK? (5) If I strip out the base64 coded part of attachments in the Unix file, but leave the 'boundary' lines to show that there was an attachment, will TB get confused by the 'boundary' lines still being in there, without the base64 part? Last, but not least, is there a better way to manage old Bat mail :-)? Thanks, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Security first, please
I like the Bat because it does NOT tie everything together as does M$. This adds a degree of security that is important to me. I am less vulnerable to the hoards of hackers who want to make yet another virus so they can boast to their friends how good they are. I don't really need to see my email in 16,000 ever-changing colors - plain ASCII text is just fine for delivering the message. In many years of reading email, I can't think of ONE instance where the fancy formatting has added to the 'information content'. People who want to have all this should use M$, not the Bat. Easy choice for me. Security first... ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: External filter kludge?
On Saturday, September 02, 2000, 6:27:26 PM, you wrote: JA You want TB to fetch your mail from the server, export it, have an JA external program process it and then import it back into TB? Yes. The sticking point is to get TB to process the import as though it were coming from my ISP via POP3. JA If that's the case, do you already have the external program, or are JA you planning on writing one for this task? I was going to write one. I'm using Spam Bouncer now and it is VERY good at classifying spam. If any of you run with a shell account or on *nix, you might check this out. It does so by using a numeric weighting of many different rules and detection techniques. Unfortunately, this is a procmail script, and I have not been able to find a way to run it under Windoze. I was considering using the same techniques in a pgm I could run in Win. JA Either way, there may be JA a less complicated solution for what you want. I'm all ears :-)... JA My suggestion would be, get a program that will act like a local mail JA server (Hamster springs to mind, but I'm sure there are lots of other JA ones). Hopefully you can find one that will store the messages in a JA plain text file format. This is a bit of a problem. I have not seen one in my search that looks like it produces text files. M$ seems pervasive :-((. JA Once you do that, have your filtering program JA run on this server file. When that's complete, TB could just JA download the mail like normal, except it would get it from your local JA server instead of your ISP. Would I have a conflict with other proxies? I now run Proxomitron (and like it a lot) on localhost. How would I run both? JA If this is not acceptable, then how about creating a second account JA (account B)in TB. SNIP Also, under JA Networking and Administration, select "Allow Local Delivery." This JA just bypasses your ISP's mail server. I was thinking of using the 2-account technique in my original post; one to download and send to the external pgm, and the second to be my 'real' account that would get the processed mail as an *input*. From Help: When "Allow Local Delivery" is on, the outgoing messages addressed to local users, are dispatched directly and put into appropriate message bases instead of sending them to SMTP server. Is a "message base" another account folder? If so, could I make a rule that just 'puts' it in the other account folder, or do I actually have to 'forward' the message to the other account? JA In fact, you can make it so JA Account B can not access your ISP's mail server, and this should JA work. This would be a good idea. JA Run a manual filter on this subfolder. This JA manual folder should redirect your messages to the address specified JA in account A (eg [EMAIL PROTECTED]), and delete them from the JA subfolder. I'm a bit confused - why do I have to run the filter manually? JA Now your messages will be processed as though you were JA downloading them off of your mail server. This is what I was looking for! If so, all the many rules will still work. JA Hope this helped. This helped a LOT Thanks VERY much!!! Ever closer to the spam filter... ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: External filter kludge?
On Sunday, September 03, 2000, 6:15:10 PM, you wrote: t Is this bouncing spam back with all the correct headers like the t address is wrong so they remove you off the list Nope - I have mine set to not bounce anything. But, you can set it up to bounce, to bounce with a nasty message, to report spam to abuse-whatever, and a whole host of other options if you want to get really detailed about what to do. (You could even have it send an email to your local congressman, with the offending post attached :-). It's quite flexible... ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Vanishing email?
I have noticed several times that the number of emails being recovered does not seem to match the number of new emails shown. For example, TB just got '1 of 1' emails, but no new email shows up! I do not have any filtered to 'mark as read' in this account. Any idea what is happening? Thanks, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
External filter kludge?
I was trying to find a way to get TB to work with an external mail filtering pgm. What I was considering was: 1. External pgm writes a batch file for TB. 2. TB sees this file and executes: /check dummy (this gets the POP3 mail) 'dummy' filter puts all mail in a Unix file /export flag file (this tells the external pgm it is done) 3. External pgm process the Unix email file, then writes another batch file for TB 4. TB sees this file and executes: /import processed file to 'real' mail account inbox But - at this point, I can't think of a way to get TB to run the new mail through the 'real' account filters, and thus sort everything into the right folders. I'm trying to do this as automatically as possible. I realize I could repeat the kludge for each folder, but this gets eaaallly kludgy :-). Any way to get TB to run this folder through the filters? OR - is there a better way to do this? As a beginner, I'm still learning about TB :-). Any ideas/solutions much appreciated. ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: External processing of TB files?
On Friday, September 01, 2000, 5:19:51 AM, you wrote: OZ /IMPORT command allows batch importing of e-mail messages into a specified folder Thanks for the tip! Again, from help: Note that you can run only one copy of The Bat! at your PC at a time, but if you try to start another copy of The Bat!, all Command Line parameters will be seamlessly passed to the running copy of the program and executed. I assume this means one could do the import without having to start up TB each time? For those who are familiar with programming we give a hint: The Bat! checks the file called TheBat.IPC which is located in the same directory where The Bat! executable (TheBat.exe) file is located. When does TB do this check? Only at startup :-((? To ensure that a copy of The Bat! is running on a computer, a program which wants to interact with The Bat! must check whether the mutex called The Bat! is owned by a process and if it is not, The Bat! must be started. How does one do this from a batch file? Ever closer to a good filtering solution :-)... ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: External processing of TB files?
On Friday, September 01, 2000, 5:51:39 AM, you wrote: BTW, what is "Selective Download" intended to do in the filter list? MR It`s for applying a filter rule directly on the mail server, just MR before downloading new messages. Aha. The actions are kill or ignore - does kill remove the message from the server without downloading it? Does ignore leave it there undeleted? Given a (hopefully) small fraction of spam, why is this preferred over simply sending the msg to a spam folder, and catching those false positives? Thanks for the info, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: External processing of TB files?
On Friday, September 01, 2000, 5:57:28 AM, you wrote: z BTW, what is "Selective Download" intended to do in the filter z list? MDP It used to be called "Kill Filter". snip Good, clear explanation. I still say you should write this stuff in the help file :-). Thanks much, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: External processing of TB files?
On Friday, September 01, 2000, 6:28:15 AM, you wrote: z Good, clear explanation. I still say you should write this stuff in z the help file :-). MDP It's not up to me. I don't work for RIT (although I have helped Maxim MDP with some documentation before now). I realize that - it was a semi-joke :-). I was suggesting that there have been a number of good explanations on the list, even in the short time I've been here. If these were collected and organized, it would be a most helpful document, IMHO. Could actually be outside the help file, and might be easier to produce that way. ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
External processing of TB files?
Is it possible to modify, perhaps extensively, the mail files produced by TB without 'damaging' them in a way that would cause problems in TB? For example, if I run a pgm to remove ads, some headers, etc from TB email files, would TB still be able to use them as if nothing had happened? These would be for the .tbb files only, not the .tbi's (index files?). The binary top header and message headers would not be changed by the processing. If the processing gets more extensive and entire messages are removed, including the binary header, would this still be OK? Thanks, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
TB add-ins?
What's involved in building a TB add-in? How does one go about doing it? What is it, exactly, and how does it tie in? Thanks, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Filter bug(s)?
On Tuesday, August 29, 2000, 9:46:20 PM, you wrote: JA Remember the main rule page is connected by OR functions to the JA alternate sets. JA Main Rule String OR Alternate Set 1 OR Alternate Set 2 OR ... Aha - I see. I'm afraid I didn't get that impression from either the help files or the interface layout. I was interpreting "Delete" on the rule tab to mean "don't use this condition", not "match anything". Perhaps Delete should remove the condition from the screen, and then not use anything on the rule tab. That would seem a bit more clear, at least to me. Thanks, ztradermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: RE checkbox in 'options'?
On Tuesday, August 29, 2000, 9:52:16 PM, you wrote: JA One has to check Regular Expressions when one is using regular JA expressions. Check out the help file, it does deal with regular JA expressions fairly well. It has a nice summary of RE's, I agree. The confusion, for me, comes from mixing RE chrs with other concepts. For example, the [ ] and | chrs are RE chrs as well. Since these are used in 'signal strings', and so are RE's, I wondered if one had to check the RE box to actually get []| to work correctly. What do you do to use BOTH "special syntax", as seems to be required, AND RE, for example, since both use the same chrs? Thanks, ztradermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Filter notation
On Tuesday, August 29, 2000, 10:12:14 PM, you wrote: ML I think you misunderstood what's said in the help file. Apostrophes ML (or single quotes as used in the help) are used when you want TB to ML treat those special characters *literally*. In your example, TB ML would try to search for [X-SBClass: Bulk] or [X-SBClass: Block], ML INCLUDING the square brackets, which is not what you want judging ML from the example you gave in your earlier post. From the help file: The text containing special characters mentioned above, must be embraced in single quotes, like this: ["New" generation mailing list] Are you suggesting that would mean that they were looking for the string: ["New" generation mailing list] (including the ""[]'s)? That is not what I thought the help section was saying, but maybe I'm still a bit confused. Actually, the help file is really this list :-). I would not have been able to get this far (some things are working) with only the TB help. Thanks, ztradermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: RE checkbox in 'options'?
On Wednesday, August 30, 2000, 6:37:23 AM, you wrote: MDP They are mutually exclusive :-). Either you use special characters for MDP simple logic or you use regular expressions (which do everything the MDP specials do and *then* some) for more complex pattern matching. A reworded version of the above would be a nice addition to the help file :-). From the many helpful replies on this list, the concept behind TB is becoming clear to me. I assume that the and/or relationship between 'rules' and 'alternatives' also holds when using RE's - true? An interface thought... If the RE box is checked, the 'rules' and 'alternatives' tabs are replaced by a single RE tab. This might be more clear and avoid confusion between the two. Also would give a larger area for complex RE's to be seen and edited. Thought 2... Would it be possible to use an add-on to do part of the filtering? I now have a procmail script (not mine) that does a great job of 'scoring' spam by numeric techniques. It will spot spam, even when addressed directly to me, perhaps 80-90% of the time. If this could be included in TB it would be a killer add-on, IMHO. Would it possible to run perl, or VB, or ??, for example, "inside" TB? Thanks, ztradermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
