Re: mass mailing using group name

[Avram Sacks]

Thanks, Paul and MFPA for your suggestions, which were very helpful.  

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Re: mass mailing using group name

[MFPA]

Hi


On Sunday 4 November 2012 at 10:10:29 PM, in
, Achdut18 wrote:

>
> Unfortunately, this merely hides the list of recipients.  It does
> not get the group name in the header to be seen by the recipients.  
>
> Any other suggestions?

The second sentence of my suggestion covered this. That is, generate
an appropriate address to use in the "To" field, if you do not want it
left blank.



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Re[2]: mass mailing using group name

[Paul Van Noord]

11/4/2012  5:27 PM

Received From: Achdut18  achdu...@gmail.com
   On: 11/4/2012  5:10 PM

M>> Put it in the "BCC" field instead. And generate an appropriate address
M>> to use in the "To" field, if you do not want it left blank.

A> Unfortunately, this merely hides the list of recipients.  It does
A> not get the group name in the header to be seen by the recipients.  

A> Any other suggestions?

Create a contact using the group name and use this in the To: field

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Re: mass mailing using group name

[Achdut18]

I had asked:

>> Now, I wish
>> to send a mass mailing in which only the group name
>> appears in the "to" field.   How is that done?
 
To which MFPA replied:

M> Put it in the "BCC" field instead. And generate an appropriate address
M> to use in the "To" field, if you do not want it left blank.

Unfortunately, this merely hides the list of recipients.  It does not get the 
group name in the header to be seen by the recipients.  

Any other suggestions?

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Re: mass mailing using group name

[MFPA]

Hi


On Sunday 4 November 2012 at 3:57:01 AM, in
, Avram Sacks wrote:


> Now, I wish
> to send a mass mailing in which only the group name
> appears in the "to" field.   How is that done?

> I have the group, but when I put the group name in the
> "to" field, every recipient's e-mail address is placed
> in that field for the recipient to see.  

Put it in the "BCC" field instead. And generate an appropriate address 
to use in the "To" field, if you do not want it left blank.
 

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mass mailing using group name

[Avram Sacks]

Earlier this year I requested help in sending mass mailings that were 
customized with only the recipient's e-mail address appearing in the "to" 
field. Now, I wish to send a mass mailing in which only the group name appears 
in the "to" field.   How is that done?  

I have the group, but when I put the group name in the "to" field, every 
recipient's e-mail address is placed in that field for the recipient to see.  

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Re: Embedding jpeg image into mass mailing template

[Achdut18]

This is a much belated public thank you to Rick and Marck for their helping me 
to learn how to embed a jpeg image into an outgoing mass mailing template.   
Ultimately, I learned that my older version of The Bat did not allow me to do 
what I wanted to do and I needed to upgrade, which I did, from 4.0.18 to 
4.2.44.2.  This made a huge difference.   

Being able to set up a template that allows for me to send a personalized 
e-mail via a mass mailing, using my contact list, highlights the beauty of The 
Bat.  I am not sure I would have been able to do this with another e-mail 
client that is so readily accessible.

Once again, thanks!

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Re[2]: Embedding jpeg image into mass mailing template

[Avram Sacks]

Hello Rick,

Sunday, July 15, 2012, 1:31:19 PM, you wrote:


R> Do you have the template formatted to HTML?

[snip]

R> I  am  using version 5.1.6.6 I set the template to HTML and all worked
R> as  I  said.  I  don't  remember  how v4 worked as I never made a mass
R> mailing back in those day - sorry

 How does one set the template to HTML?  The Edit Template box does
 not seem to have any option for HTML.  There are two tabs: general
 and options, and, a drop down box for macros.  Nothing, anywhere
 that I can see says anything about "HTML."

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Re: Embedding jpeg image into mass mailing template

[Rick]

R>> I  JUST  sent  out a mass mailing - I dragged and dropped the JPG into
R>> the  template  that  was  going out and it worked perfectly (Insert an
R>> image  will  do  it  just  as  well.

> This is not happening for me.  Here is what I do to send out a mass
> mailing:

> 1. open address book and highlight group to receive mass mailing
> 2. Click on file/mass mailing using template/[specific template file
> that has previously been created, let's call it "X"]
> 3. The "Create Mass Mailing" dialogue box opens up
> 4. With "X" highlighted in the drop down window, I click on "Edit..."
> 5. The "Edit Template" box for "X" opens up.


> At this point I tried to both drag and drop my jpeg into the Edit
> Template box as well as copy and paste.  Neither works.  When I try
> to drag and drop, the mouse icon turns into the international stop
> sign  (circle with a line).

Do you have the template formatted to HTML?

> What I CAN do is click on "OK" after the "Create Mass Mailing"
> dialogue box opens up which will automatically put all outgoing
> e-mails into the outbox and insert, one by one, the jpegs into these
> outgoing messages. But there will be about 150 and inserting the jpegs
> one by one will be very tedious.

> Could it be that what you are doing is only possible with the newer
> version of the The Bat?  (With me using ver 4 and you using ver 5?)

I  am  using version 5.1.6.6 I set the template to HTML and all worked
as  I  said.  I  don't  remember  how v4 worked as I never made a mass
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Re[2]: Embedding jpeg image into mass mailing template

[Avram Sacks]

Hello Rick,

I previously asked as to how I may insert a jpeg into the body of a
mass mailing template and on Sunday, July 15, 2012, 12:47:08 PM, you wrote:

R> I  JUST  sent  out a mass mailing - I dragged and dropped the JPG into
R> the  template  that  was  going out and it worked perfectly (Insert an
R> image  will  do  it  just  as  well.

This is not happening for me.  Here is what I do to send out a mass
mailing:

1. open address book and highlight group to receive mass mailing
2. Click on file/mass mailing using template/[specific template file
that has previously been created, let's call it "X"]
3. The "Create Mass Mailing" dialogue box opens up
4. With "X" highlighted in the drop down window, I click on "Edit..."
5. The "Edit Template" box for "X" opens up.


At this point I tried to both drag and drop my jpeg into the Edit
Template box as well as copy and paste.  Neither works.  When I try
to drag and drop, the mouse icon turns into the international stop
sign  (circle with a line).

What I CAN do is click on "OK" after the "Create Mass Mailing"
dialogue box opens up which will automatically put all outgoing
e-mails into the outbox and insert, one by one, the jpegs into these
outgoing messages. But there will be about 150 and inserting the jpegs
one by one will be very tedious.

Could it be that what you are doing is only possible with the newer
version of the The Bat?  (With me using ver 4 and you using ver 5?)

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Re: Embedding jpeg image into mass mailing template

[Rick]

> Hi,

> I recently posted this query, but it was buried inside another thread
> and may have escaped notice, so I am re-posting to a new thread:

> I need to send an email that has an embedded jpeg to everyone in an
> address group. It is an invitation, that I created in MS Publisher and
> saved as a jpeg file. In a prior thread it was established that in
> order to send a mass mailing to an address book group so that
> individual recipients see only their own address in the "to" field and
> have individualized salutations, I needed to create a mass mailing
> template. However, I want that template to have as its body the
> salutation, followed by an image that is the jpeg file.

> In a regular message, I can just copy and paste the image, so long as
> I have the regular message set to HTML and not plain text. But, the
> mass mailing template appears to be text-only. How do I insert my jpeg
> invitation into the body of the mass mailing, so that when the message
> is opened by the recipient, the recipient sees the image of the
> invitation? Note, I do NOT wish to send the jpeg as an attachment. I
> understand how to do that. I want the message itself to display the
> jpeg image as part of the message. Can this be done with a mass
> mailing template? If so, how?

I  JUST  sent  out a mass mailing - I dragged and dropped the JPG into
the  template  that  was  going out and it worked perfectly (Insert an
image  will  do  it  just  as  well.  The mailing template should look
exactly  like  what you are going to send out (not counting the macros
of course)

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Embedding jpeg image into mass mailing template

[Avram Sacks]

Hi,

I recently posted this query, but it was buried inside another thread
and may have escaped notice, so I am re-posting to a new thread:

I need to send an email that has an embedded jpeg to everyone in an
address group. It is an invitation, that I created in MS Publisher and
saved as a jpeg file. In a prior thread it was established that in
order to send a mass mailing to an address book group so that
individual recipients see only their own address in the "to" field and
have individualized salutations, I needed to create a mass mailing
template. However, I want that template to have as its body the
salutation, followed by an image that is the jpeg file.

In a regular message, I can just copy and paste the image, so long as
I have the regular message set to HTML and not plain text. But, the
mass mailing template appears to be text-only. How do I insert my jpeg
invitation into the body of the mass mailing, so that when the message
is opened by the recipient, the recipient sees the image of the
invitation? Note, I do NOT wish to send the jpeg as an attachment. I
understand how to do that. I want the message itself to display the
jpeg image as part of the message. Can this be done with a mass
mailing template? If so, how?

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Re: mass mailing and AB

[Roger Phillips]

Hello monsell,

Wednesday, May 23, 2007, 7:56:32 AM, among other things, you wrote:

msl> mass mailing identifies only the first address of the entry even
msl> though the 'automatically add secondary addresses to the BCC field' is
msl> ticked.

msl> can a macro be developed to insert the email addresses in the TO and
msl> BCC fields automatically when this particular HANDLE is called
msl> upon? this could be for single messages or mass mailing.

I am not into the mass mailing scene, but it *is* possible to enter a number
of  names into BCC by creating a 'Group' in your address book and then using
the  macro below in the group 'New message' template. To make it general for
use in any group you always send the 'first' one back to yourself.

%BCC="%TO"-
%TO=""-
%TO(your address)

You have to enter them in the order I have used.

I hope this will help.

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Re: mass mailing and the AB

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Monsell,

I have divorced this topic from the thread into which it was
misplaced.

@23-May-2007, 17:34 +0530 (23-May 13:04 here) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [M] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Roelof:

M> i had posted the following on TBUDL and have no reply from members.
M> can you please assist me on this matter?

It is probably better practice not to ask questions of a specific
individual. We are all here to help, and all help is unpaid. We are
fellow TB users rather than employees. (Of course, some of us are more
equal than others ;-) )

... 

M> if more than one email address is entered in a single 'edit address
M> entry' window (one below the other), how can i make all the
M> addresses to appear when this particular entry is selected for mass
M> mailing? can someone help me with a macro?

This is pretty complicated and I don't think that a macro can see past
the first address in the list. I am completely unsure as to why you
would want to send a single individual multiple copies of the same
message to each of that person's known addresses. I know I'd hate to
receive such a mailing.

M> mass mailing identifies only the first address of the entry even
M> though the 'automatically add secondary addresses to the BCC field'
M> is ticked.

That's not something I'd have guessed would happen. Then again, as I
say above, it's not something I would have wanted to do.

M> can a macro be developed to insert the email addresses in the TO
M> and BCC fields automatically when this particular HANDLE is called
M> upon? this could be for single messages or mass mailing.

I could think of ways to do it by subverting other fields in the
address book - like the Memo field. I do it often. But I'm still not
clear about why you need it and what you really need to achieve.

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[monsell]

dear mr roelof,

i had posted the following on TBUDL and have no reply from members.
can you please assist me on this matter?


=quote=
good day to all,

if more than one email address is entered in a single 'edit address entry'
window (one below the other), how can i make all the addresses to
appear when this particular entry is selected for mass mailing? can
someone help me with a macro?

mass mailing identifies only the first address of the entry even
though the 'automatically add secondary addresses to the BCC field' is
ticked.

can a macro be developed to insert the email addresses in the TO and
BCC fields automatically when this particular HANDLE is called
upon? this could be for single messages or mass mailing.

thanks in advance for your help
=unquote=


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Re: mass mailing and AB

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Vernon,

On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:26:32 +0530GMT (23-5-2007, 7:56 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

M> can a macro be developed to insert the email addresses in the TO and
M> BCC fields automatically when this particular HANDLE is called
M> upon? this could be for single messages or mass mailing.

The only way to use the other addresses as BCC used to be when you're
picking a single address book entry from the AB and create a new
message.
I wrote 'used to be' as I haven't used this for ages.

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mass mailing and AB

[monsell]

good day to all,

if more than one email address is entered in a single 'edit address entry'
window (one below the other), how can i make all the addresses to
appear when this particular entry is selected for mass mailing? can
someone help me with a macro?

mass mailing identifies only the first address of the entry even
though the 'automatically add secondary addresses to the BCC field' is
ticked.

can a macro be developed to insert the email addresses in the TO and
BCC fields automatically when this particular HANDLE is called
upon? this could be for single messages or mass mailing.

thanks in advance for your help

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Re: looking for a mass-mailing makro

[Peter Fjelsten]

Jurgen,

On 24-05-2005 09:42, you [JH] wrote in
:
JH> I was trying that out now, and that really works (after figuring out
JH> that I have to close the address book first, I never saw any
JH> template to pick from :-)).

OK, maybe I should have written that... :-)

JH> I thought I could set up a specific folder and then just have TB
JH> attach anything it finds in that folder? I would then just have to
JH> copy the PDF(s) into it first. Would that be possible? Or would I
JH> have to always give a full path with filename?

I think you need to provide a path to a file - like:

%PUT="path\to\textfile.txt"

Here, the content will be shown in the body of the mail.

Or %ATTACHFILE = "filepath" which attaches the file specified in the
path. Of course, you need to overwrite the old file with a file with the
same name but with the new contents.

I think it is probably more elegant to have contents in the body of the
mail, but that's just me.

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RE: looking for a mass-mailing makro

[Jurgen Haug]

Hello Peter,

Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 3:31:27 PM, you wrote:


> Jurgen,

> On 17-05-2005 15:26, you [JH] wrote in
> <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
JH>> Is there a makro running on some helpful soul's PC that I could use?
JH>> Something like reading the recipients from an external list and then
JH>> sending independent mails to each recipient or so?

> You could make a new address book (group), import all your addresses
> into it and then make a quick template to use for the mass mailing.

> Then, in the address book, focus on the relevant book (group) and select
File >> New mass mailing from template...

I was trying that out now, and that really works (after figuring out that I 
have to close the address book first, I never saw any template to pick from 
:-)).

One question. The mail body itself will always be the same, just some 
announcement that a new info is coming along. But how could I automate the 
progress of attaching the PDF I want to sent along? I thought I could set up a 
specific folder and then just have TB attach anything it finds in that folder? 
I would then just have to copy the PDF(s) into it first. Would that be 
possible? Or would I have to always give a full path with filename?


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RE: looking for a mass-mailing makro

[Jurgen Haug]

Hello Perry,

Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 4:03:39 PM, you wrote:



>   It appears today is my day to reply to messages from you, Jurgen. ;)

well I have no objections to that ;-)



>  As you'll see it is very rudimentary and I'm sure
>   not very sophisticated, but it works and it may help you get started
>   with something more elegant.


thank you for the little macro. I will try it out and when it works I might 
actually try to adjust it a bit to my needs.

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Re: looking for a mass-mailing makro

[Perry Nelson]

Hi Jurgen,

Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 9:43:48 AM, you wrote:

JH>>> Something like reading the recipients from an external list and
JH>>> then sending independent mails to each recipient or so?

PF>> You could make a new address book (group), import all your
PF>> addresses into it and then make a quick template to use for the
PF>> mass mailing.

PF>> Then, in the address book, focus on the relevant book (group) and
PF>> select File - New mass mailing from template...

JH> I will try that out when I get to work, thanks for the tip!

  It appears today is my day to reply to messages from you, Jurgen. ;)

  I do exactly what Peter recommends for the mass mailings I send out
  intermittently to a large group of my friends. Each receives an
  individual copy of the same message. The template I use for the mass
  mailings follows. As you'll see it is very rudimentary and I'm sure
  not very sophisticated, but it works and it may help you get started
  with something more elegant.

,--- ( My QT for mass mailings )
| Hi %ABToFirstName,
| %SUBJECT='%PUT="c:\Notes\MassMail\subj.txt"'
| %PUT="c:\Notes\MassMail\current.txt"
| -- 
| Regards,
|  Perry
`---

  You'll note that it requires two text files: one called "subj.txt"
  that is merely a one-line subject and the other called "current.txt"
  that contains the body of the message that is sent. The path to those
  files would have to be tailored to your own situation, of course.

  HTH

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RE: looking for a mass-mailing makro

[Jurgen Haug]

Hello Peter,

Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 3:31:27 PM, you wrote:


JH>> Something like reading the recipients from an external list and then
JH>> sending independent mails to each recipient or so?

> You could make a new address book (group), import all your addresses
> into it and then make a quick template to use for the mass mailing.

> Then, in the address book, focus on the relevant book (group) and select
File >> New mass mailing from template...

I will try that out when I get to work, thanks for the tip!


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Re: looking for a mass-mailing makro

[Peter Fjelsten]

Jurgen,

On 17-05-2005 15:26, you [JH] wrote in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
JH> Is there a makro running on some helpful soul's PC that I could use?
JH> Something like reading the recipients from an external list and then
JH> sending independent mails to each recipient or so?

You could make a new address book (group), import all your addresses
into it and then make a quick template to use for the mass mailing.

Then, in the address book, focus on the relevant book (group) and select
File > New mass mailing from template...


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[Jurgen Haug]

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Hallo Fledermäuse,

I am still labouring with a solution for a problem at work, where I use TB to 
connect to an Exchange server. I cannot use BCC but certainly wouldn't want my 
customers to see each others addresses (and I doubt that they would want theirs 
to be published like that either).

Is there a makro running on some helpful soul's PC that I could use? Something 
like reading the recipients from an external list and then sending independent 
mails to each recipient or so?

merci

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Re: Mass mailing in html

[Scott Frederick]

Hello Roelof,

Saturday, November 20, 2004, 9:40:57 AM, you wrote:

RO> You can't use HTML in templates and you need a quick template for a
RO> mass mailing, so I think it can't be done.

Thanks for the help.

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Re: Mass mailing in html

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Scott,

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:11:23 -0800GMT (20-11-2004, 18:11 +0100, where
I live), you wrote:

SF>   I have an address book set up that I would like to mass mail an html
SF>   message to. Is this possible? I don't have any problem mass mailing
SF>   text only messages.

You can't use HTML in templates and you need a quick template for a
mass mailing, so I think it can't be done.

SF>   At the very least I would like to mass mail a text only message with
SF>   attachments.

That's easy, use the %AttachFile= macro in your mass mailing template.

SF>   Could I compose an html message and paste it into a template?

Yep, but it won't do you any good.

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Mass mailing in html

[Scott Frederick]

Hello TBUDL,

  I have an address book set up that I would like to mass mail an html
  message to. Is this possible? I don't have any problem mass mailing
  text only messages.

  At the very least I would like to mass mail a text only message with
  attachments.

  Could I compose an html message and paste it into a template?


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Re: Mass mailing and chats folder

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello Jimmie,

Thursday, June 24, 2004, 6:43:39 PM, you wrote (possibly edited):
> Can someone help me figure out why when I do a mass mailing I end up
> with a copy of each mailing in the chats folder?

I  think  that  you  have to set the X-MAIL-CHAT settings in Options |
Preferences | Message Headers to "No".

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[Jimmie Toney]

Can someone help me figure out why when I do a mass mailing I end up with a copy
of each mailing in the chats folder? The mailing goes out in fine shape but
deleting the messages out of the chats folder is a pain. I would delete the
chats folder but I think it would just appear at the next mailing.

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[Jimmie Toney]

TBUDL

Can someone help me figure out why when I do a mass mailing I end up with a copy
of each mailing in the chats folder? The mailing goes out in fine shape but
deleting the messages out of the chats folder is a pain. I would delete the
chats folder but I think it would just appear at the next mailing.

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Re: Mass mailing with BCC

[Greg Strong]

Hello Bill,

Friday, July 18, 2003, Bill McCarthy wrote:

> The BCC approach will work fine but is a bit impersonal.  Why not just
> use the mass mailing feature to individually address each email?

I agree, but Mary stated:

"I was trying to do it with a Quick Template. Actually I spent ages
looking in the Help and the FAQ, and didn't find that simple solution."

So here is a quick Sample.


,- [ Sample ]
| %REPLYTO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"%SUBJECT="Greg's email changes"Hello %TOFNAME,
| 
| Because of new ISP service I have a new email address. Please make the
| corrections noted below:
| 
| New email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 
| Closed email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 
| If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me.
| 
| -- 
| 
| Sincerely,
| 
| 
| Greg
| 
| %-
`-

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Re: Mass mailing with BCC

[Bill McCarthy]

On Fri 18-Jul-03 1:00pm -0400, Mary Cassidy wrote:

> Jonathan Angliss wrote:

>> Well, you have half the steps done by the looks of it. ...

> Now why didn't I think of that?

The BCC approach will work fine but is a bit impersonal.  Why not just
use the mass mailing feature to individually address each email?

Just set mail delivery to deferred (so you can check out the results
before they're sent).  Then from the AB, click on the group you want
to mail to and click on File; Mail Mailing using Template; pick your
template and click OK.  Your Outbox will be filled with the results -
if you don't like them, delete, revise your template and repeat.

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Re: Mass mailing with BCC

[Mary Cassidy]

Jonathan Angliss wrote:


> Well, you have half the steps done by the looks of it. You created
> them as groups, which will probably save you a fair bit of time. Start
> a new message, make sure the bcc field is visible. If it is not, go to
> View, and check the BCC option. You now should have two choices from
> this point. If you right click in the BCC field, and address menu will
> drop down, you should see your groups at the bottom, move your mouse
> over the group, and it should expand, notice the top option should be
> "Listname ". The other option is to click the little
> address card icon on the end of the line, from the drop list in the
> top right, select the group, and press the ">>" icon, and click okay.
> Now write your message :)


Now why didn't I think of that? I was trying to do it with a Quick
Template. Actually I spent ages looking in the Help and the FAQ, and
didn't find that simple solution.

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Re: Mass mailing with BCC

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, July 18, 2003, Mary Cassidy wrote...

> I want to send a message to all my clients with my holiday dates.

> I've set up two groups, so I can send the message in two different
> languages to various clients.

> However, I want all the addresses to appear in the BCC field so that
> the clients don't see each other's addresses.

> I can't find a way to do this automatically, even using macros; any
> suggestions?

Well, you have half the steps done by the looks of it. You created
them as groups, which will probably save you a fair bit of time. Start
a new message, make sure the bcc field is visible. If it is not, go to
View, and check the BCC option. You now should have two choices from
this point. If you right click in the BCC field, and address menu will
drop down, you should see your groups at the bottom, move your mouse
over the group, and it should expand, notice the top option should be
"Listname ". The other option is to click the little
address card icon on the end of the line, from the drop list in the
top right, select the group, and press the ">>" icon, and click okay.
Now write your message :)

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Mass mailing with BCC

[Mary Cassidy]

I want to send a message to all my clients with my holiday dates.

I've set up two groups, so I can send the message in two different
languages to various clients.

However, I want all the addresses to appear in the BCC field so that
the clients don't see each other's addresses.

I can't find a way to do this automatically, even using macros; any
suggestions?

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Re: Macro/Mass Mailing/File Input/Group for Email address change?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Greg,

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, at 12:44:51 GMT -0600 (1/24/2003, 12:44 PM -0500
GMT here), you wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Is the best way to accomplish this by setting up a separate group for
> each quick template to be mailed for the respective address?

Yes!  I've answered my own question.  Just Cntl + Drag & Drop onto
additional group.  Just make sure when you clean up your groups that you
do NOT delete the address when you deleting from the temporary group.

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Macro/Mass Mailing/File Input/Group for Email address change?

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUDL,

I wanted to put together a mass mailing to individuals & organizations
about a change in my email address.  The issue is that I do NOT want to
send an email to every address in AB. The issue is that various
individuals & organizations have different addresses, so I would expect
to have multiple quick templates depending upon the address.

Is the best way to accomplish this by setting up a separate group for
each quick template to be mailed for the respective address?

If the above answer is no, is it possible to use an input file, CSV or
otherwise, for the source? I expect the answer to this would be no, but
thought I'd ask.

Thanks!

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Re: Mass mailing template

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Januk.

At 7:27 PM on Saturday, August 17, 2002 you [JA]
wrote the following about Mass mailing template:

JA> Remove the spaces for this to work.
JA>   Ie: %SUBJECT="text"

  So right you are. Thanks for pointing it out. It
  must be the drugs... :-\

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Re: Mass mailing template

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello jan,

On Saturday, August 17, 2002 at 11:16 GMT -0400, Jan Rifkinson [JR]
heard voices say:

JR>   Have you tried %SUBJECT = "text"
 ^ ^
  Remove the spaces for this to work.
  Ie: %SUBJECT="text"


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Re: Mass mailing template

[jan rifkinson]

Hi Brian.

At 11:08 AM on Saturday, August 17, 2002 you [BS]
wrote the following about Mass mailing template:

BS> I want to use the mass mailing template but
BS> but this does not seem to allow for a subject
BS> line in the e-mail.

  Have you tried %SUBJECT = "text"

,- [Macro Help Excerpt]
| SUBJECT = "subject"   set a new subject for the message
'-

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Mass mailing template

[Brian Stephenson]

Dear TBUDL,

  I want to use the mass mailing template but but this does not seem
  to allow for a subject line in the e-mail.

  Is there a way to enter a subject line without editing each
  individual mail?
  

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Deborah,

@18 July 2002, 11:03 +0100  Deborah W [DW] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

DW> With the "hide items..." option selected, they too are hidden -

DW> ... Or am I missing something blindingly obvious to everyone else?

Yes - they're not hidden if "explicitly selected" (i.e., members of
non-hidden groups). You only need one entry that is a member of any
number of groups. Members of *only* the trekker group (and no others)
are hidden. Members of multiple groups (including trekkers) are only
hidden if *all* groups they belong to "Hide ..." their members.

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Re[2]: personalised mass-mailing?

[Deborah W]

On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 12:19:34 PM, Marcus Ohlström wrote:

MO> Not necessarily. Right click on your address group, select Properties
MO> and mark "Hide items if not explicitly selected". If I'm not
MO> misinterpreting your intentions this should do the trick.

ButI don't want *all* of them hiddenthere are some people in
the trekker ab who also appear in my personal ab, for a different
reason. With the "hide items..." option selected, they too are hidden
- unless I make two entries for them & link only one entry to the
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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Marck,

on Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:52:20 +0100GMT (17.07.02, 21:52 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM>> I looked at the message's headers. Some servers seem to have
PM>> received it with a wrong dateline.

MDP> No - the message has crossed the dateline and come back again.

...

MDP> Having spent TWO DAYS languishing at mrelayng0.kundenserver.de

MDP> Does that help?

Yes, it does. *vbs*

So, should I tell them to adjust their calendar? ;)

I'm glad they now seem to work properly again. :o)

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

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Hi Peter,

@17 July 2002, 21:20 +0200 (20:20 UK time)  Peter Meyns [PM] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Peter Meyns on
TBUDL:

PM> I looked at the message's headers. Some servers seem to have
PM> received it with a wrong dateline.

No - the message has crossed the dateline and come back again.

PM> It was sent on July 16, and some responses show July 18:

PM> ,- [ [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
PM> | Received: from [203.130.233.9] (helo=home.worldless.net)
PM> | by mxng03.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2)
PM> | id 17UtWc-0006tV-00
PM> | for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:27:47 +0200

This evening it arrived back at your place.

PM> | Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=thebat.dutaint.com)
PM> | by home.worldless.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2001)
PM> | id 17UtQ9-8Q-00; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:21:05 +0700

Having left Indonesia at 01:21 tomorrow morning.. that's 20:21 this
evening local time a.k.a six minutes earlier. No mystery there!

PM> | Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.176] 
helo=moutng2.kundenserver.de)
PM> | by home.worldless.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2001)
PM> | id 17UtQ6-88-00
PM> | for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:21:03 +0700

Having arrived in Indonesia from your ISP two seconds before it went
out again.

PM> | Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng0.kundenserver.de)
PM> | by moutng2.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #2)
PM> | id 17UXc2-lW-00
PM> | for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:03:54 +0200

Having spent TWO DAYS languishing at mrelayng0.kundenserver.de

PM> I'd really like to know why those delays happen. :-)

Does that help?

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

[Thomas F]

Hello Peter,

On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:28:30 +0200 GMT (18/07/02, 02:28 +0700 GMT),
Peter Meyns wrote:

PM> So you suggest it's in kundenserver's responsibility? I'll
PM> complain to them! *S*

I don't suggest. I *know*. ;-)

PM> Have a good night, Thomas :-)

Thanks. I'll be hitting the sack soon.

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Thomas,

on Thu, 18 Jul 2002 02:13:22 +0700GMT (17.07.02, 21:13 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM>> Is this on DutaInt's behalf or somewhere else?

TF> Looking at the headers of that "missing" message:

PM>> Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.176] 
helo=moutng2.kundenserver.de)
PM>> by home.worldless.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2001)
PM>> id 17UtQ6-88-00
PM>> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:21:03 +0700
PM>> Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng0.kundenserver.de)
PM>> by moutng2.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #2)
PM>> id 17UXc2-lW-00
PM>> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:03:54 +0200

TF> ... well, you can figure it out. ;-)

So you suggest it's in kundenserver's responsibility? I'll complain to
them! *S*

Have a good night, Thomas :-)

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Peter,

on Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:59:59 +0200GMT (17.07.02, 20:59 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM> Wow, great! my message of yesterday has arrived! ;o) I wonder where it
PM> spent the time in between. *G* Now there's only one more missing...

PM> Is this on DutaInt's behalf or somewhere else?

I looked at the message's headers. Some servers seem to have received it
with a wrong dateline. It was sent on July 16, and some responses show
July 18:

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| Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.176] 
|helo=moutng2.kundenserver.de)
| by home.worldless.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2001)
| id 17UtQ6-88-00
| for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:21:03 +0700
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| Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:04:31 +0200
| From: Peter Meyns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
`-

I'd really like to know why those delays happen. :-)

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

[Thomas F]

Hello Peter,

On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:59:59 +0200 GMT (18/07/02, 01:59 +0700 GMT),
Peter Meyns wrote:

PM> Is this on DutaInt's behalf or somewhere else?

Looking at the headers of that "missing" message:

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... well, you can figure it out. ;-)

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Peter,

on Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:04:31 +0200GMT (16.07.02, 21:04 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM> There is a mass mailing feature in TB!, but I haven't used it yet. You need
PM> an address book group for it, so much I followed the threads. :-)

Wow, great! my message of yesterday has arrived! ;o) I wonder where it
spent the time in between. *G* Now there's only one more missing...

Is this on DutaInt's behalf or somewhere else?

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Deborah,

on Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:01:39 +0100GMT (16.07.02, 19:01 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

DW> You know that junk-mail you get?

Oh yeah... *sigh*

DW> I need to do that with emails.

Oh heavens! ;-)

There is a mass mailing feature in TB!, but I haven't used it yet. You need
an address book group for it, so much I followed the threads. :-)

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

[Thomas F]

Hello Marck,

On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:26:06 +0100 GMT (17/07/02, 18:26 +0700 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

DW>> Is there a time wheen you *would* recommend the use of more than
DW>> one AB then?

MDP> Me? No. I don't bother. I suppose if I sat down and thought about it I
MDP> could come up with a valid scenario. No. I can't.

Here is one: When I used TB in the office, I had one AB for business
contacts and another one for private contacts.

The accounts (office versus private) had different settings under
Account / Properties / General / Default Addressbook.

This makes a lof of sense when you click on the mini-AB icon at the
right-hand side of the TO/CC fields, or when you use autocomplete. The
email addresses from one addressbook will simply not come up when you
use the other account, if you know what I mean.

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

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Hi Deborah,

@17 July 2002, 11:31 +0100  Deborah W [DW] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

DW> Is there a way to make TB use a specific AB in a macro? Something
DW> like %Ab*trekker*TOLastName, eg?

No :-(.

DW> That still leaves me with the extra entries in the main view of
DW> the personal AB though.

So make the trekker group one which will "Hide items unless
explicitly selected". The extra entries are then hidden from the main
view of the personal AB. It works well and is a system I use all the
time.

DW> Is there a time wheen you *would* recommend the use of more than
DW> one AB then?

Me? No. I don't bother. I suppose if I sat down and thought about it I
could come up with a valid scenario. No. I can't. That's because I
have invested a lot of invention into my AB group and individual (of
which there are less and less as time goes by and as my group
templates and AB field subversion gains in sophistication) templates.

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 12:31, Deborah W wrote:

> That still leaves me with the extra entries in the main view of the
> personal AB though.

Not necessarily. Right click on your address group, select Properties
and mark "Hide items if not explicitly selected". If I'm not
misinterpreting your intentions this should do the trick.

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Re[2]: personalised mass-mailing?

[Deborah W]

On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, 9:54:00 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> You have a default address book. That's what's used for
MDP> resolution of the macros.

Is there a way to make TB use a specific AB in a macro? Something like
%Ab*trekker*TOLastName, eg?

DW>> I suppose it would work better if I had the people in the
DW>> "Trekker" book in the same AB as everyone else, & then created a
DW>> Trekker group, rather than a Trekker AB -

MDP> Yes, yes, YES! That's by far the best way to do it.

DW>> but that has drawbacks of its own :-(

MDP> It needn't. Subvert one of the unused fields (the AB has *many*)  to
MDP> provide the extra information used by the Trekker group and use the
MDP> appropriate %AB macro to pull it out into your mass mailing. You'll
MDP> love it! ;-).

That still leaves me with the extra entries in the main view of the
personal AB though.

Is there a time wheen you *would* recommend the use of more than one
AB then?

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Re[2]: personalised mass-mailing?

[Deborah W]

On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 5:35:24 AM, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA> In your trekker group properties, select "Hide items if not explicitly
JA> selected."  That will prevent the members of the trekker group from
JA> showing up in your main AB list.

Problems with that: I don't want all of them hidden in the main AB
list - some are people I correspond with generally. Those are the ones
who are currently in both the personal & trekker abs.

I could make two entries for those, and link only one to the trekker
group, but that gives me 2 entries for the same email address, &
the info for my QT will be pulled from the first entry, which may or
not be the complete entry - iow, back to the original problem :-/

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Deborah,

On Tuesday, July 16, 2002 at 22:00 GMT +0100, aliens probed Deborah W
[DW] and found:

DW> Wellsome of the people who are in the Trekker AB are also in
DW> my personal AB, but most aren't, so it's more cluttered with them
DW> all in one place

In your trekker group properties, select "Hide items if not explicitly
selected."  That will prevent the members of the trekker group from
showing up in your main AB list.

DW> plus some of them use a different email address for the
DW> Trekker project than they do for personal emails,

The above suggestion isn't perfect as you'll see if you play with it
a bit.

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Re[4]: personalised mass-mailing?

[Deborah W]

On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, 9:41:51 PM, Joseph N. wrote:

JN> What sort of drawbacks? I used to have a separate AB the way you
JN> describe it, and opted instead to make those entries a group
JN> within my personal AB. I've found no disadvantages, and several
JN> advantages, so I'm interested in your thinking.

Wellsome of the people who are in the Trekker AB are also in my
personal AB, but most aren't, so it's more cluttered with them all in
one placeplus some of them use a different email address for the
Trekker project than they do for personal emails, so for me it's
easier to just generally use my personal AB without thinking about
*which* entry I need, or which email address to use...I realise these
things also work using AB groups but it just makes more sense in *my*
brain to have them as separate ABs...LOL

Besides, what's the point in having the option of several ABs if you
only use one? ;-)

I think I've got it all worked out now anyway, though the mass-mail
won't be going out tonight (as I'd planned) as discussion of the
project on a couple of email lists has led to another surge of
volunteers; I'll wait for a day or two so I don't have to do multiple
mailings :-)

It still makes more sense to me that TB would pick up the details from
the AB I'm using for a mass-mailing, rather than pick up details from
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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

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Hi Deborah,

@16 July 2002, 20:54 +0100  Deborah W [DW] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

DW> When I click on the icon for the AB, the AB window appears. In the
DW> left pane there are several book icons, the first of which is
DW> "Personal address book". I then have a couple of others - one of
DW> which is the one I'm trying to use (sending the mass email to
DW> every entry in that AB) - called Trekker.

Aha. Therein lies a problem methinks. It may be that the %AB macros
are only using the default address book while the records you are
using actually come from another.

DW> IOW, there's only one entry for each recipient in the list shown
DW> when I click on "Trekker" in the left pane.

DW> Does each of those little blue book icons represent a different
DW> AB?

Yes.

DW> It seems that although I have one AB open, it's taking the info
DW> from a different AB? This seems a truly odd way for it to work
DW> s:-/

You have a default address book. That's what's used for resolution of
the macros.

DW> I suppose it would work better if I had the people in the
DW> "Trekker" book in the same AB as everyone else, & then created a
DW> Trekker group, rather than a Trekker AB -

Yes, yes, YES! That's by far the best way to do it.

DW> but that has drawbacks of its own :-(

It needn't. Subvert one of the unused fields (the AB has *many*)  to
provide the extra information used by the Trekker group and use the
appropriate %AB macro to pull it out into your mass mailing. You'll
love it! ;-).

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Re[3]: personalised mass-mailing?

[Joseph N.]

   On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, Deborah W wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

DW> I suppose it would work better if I had the people in the "Trekker"
DW> book in the same AB as everyone else, & then created a Trekker group,
DW> rather than a Trekker AB - but that has drawbacks of its own :-(

Deborah,

What sort of drawbacks?  I used to have a separate AB the way you
describe it, and opted instead to make those entries a group within my
personal AB.  I've found no disadvantages, and several advantages, so
I'm interested in your thinking.

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Re[2]: personalised mass-mailing?

[Deborah W]

On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, 8:39:36 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> This is a symptom of there being two address book entries for the
MDP> email address. 

Hnow I'm getting confused. I understand what you're saying,
and it does indeed seem to be doing exactly what you say, in a
sense...perhaps you can explain to me how the AB works.

When I click on the icon for the AB, the AB window appears. In the
left pane there are several book icons, the first of which is
"Personal address book". I then have a couple of others - one of which
is the one I'm trying to use (sending the mass email to every entry in
that AB) - called Trekker. IOW, there's only one entry for each
recipient in the list shown when I click on "Trekker" in the left
pane.

Does each of those little blue book icons represent a different AB? Or
does it consider everything that's available to be all part of one
great big AB?

It seems that although I have one AB open, it's taking the info from a
different AB? This seems a truly odd way for it to work s:-/

I suppose it would work better if I had the people in the "Trekker"
book in the same AB as everyone else, & then created a Trekker group,
rather than a Trekker AB - but that has drawbacks of its own :-(

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

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Hi Deborah,

@16 July 2002, 20:32 +0100  Deborah W [DW] in
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DW> ... There seems to be a problem with how the macros collect info
DW> from the AB - they're picking up old information, ... it doesn't
DW> pick up the new info, & instead puts "John & Jane" in the field
DW> for FirstName.

This is a symptom of there being two address book entries for the
email address. Although you and I know that the message is part of a
mass mail to the addresses in a specific AB group, the %AB macro
hasn't got a clue about that and initiates a fresh search from the top
of the address book looking for the address in the message it is
currently processing. If it finds a match before it gets to your
specific group, it will use the record it finds first.

Make sure that there are no spurious entries for people. A good tip
for doing that is to sort the address book listing by email address.

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Re[2]: personalised mass-mailing?

[Deborah W]

On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, 7:46:40 PM, Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH> Look for the %ABnnnPPP macro. With it you can put any information
DH> stored in any field of the AB into your mails just like %TO etc.

Okay, I've got that far, & my QT seems to be working - for *some* of
the recipients. There seems to be a problem with how the macros
collect info from the AB - they're picking up old information, so, for
example, if someone in my address book used to be called "John & Jane"
& is now called "John Smith" with "Jane" in the memo section, it
doesn't pick up the new info, & instead puts "John & Jane" in the
field for FirstName.

Likewise, for those recipients I've just added to the AB, it doesn't
pick up any information at all, other than the headers (ie the name &
email address of who it's going to) - there's no info included in the
body of the message. For those who were previously in the AB but for
whom I've added new information, it only picks up the old info. The
fields for the new info are blank.

I've exited the AB & opened it again; I've exited TB & opened it again
- still the same problem.

Any help appreciated

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

[Jan Rifkinson]

At 2:46 PM on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 Dierk Haasis wrote the
following about [personalised mass-mailing?]:

>> Can I do this without individually typing in information for each
>> recipient? I know I can do a Quick Template with First Name, Last
>> Name, Email Address - but can I put in other information from the AB?
>> If so, do I use a QT (& if so, what other macros do I need)? Or is
>> there another way to do it?

DH> Look for the %ABnnnPPP macro. With it you can put any information
DH> stored in any field of the AB into your mails just like %TO etc.

  And if its the same group of 30, you can create an AB
  group, a boilerplate template, calling any new info you
  want to include from a separate file & use the 'mass
  mailing' feature which addresses each person in the group
  individually w/o use of the cc or bcc.

  As Dierk suggests the ABnnnPPP macro can help personalize
  each email automatically as in

  Dear Harry
  Dear Ms. Jones
  Dear mom

  HTH

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Deborah,

On Tuesday, July 16, 2002 at 18:01 GMT +0100, clairvoyants were
mystified when Deborah W [DW] conjured:

DW> I need to do that with emails. I have about 30 people to send an email
DW> to, & I need to be able to put information from my address book in
DW> various "fields" in the email: name, address, email address etc. Each
DW> person is to get an email with their own information (gleaned from my
DW> AB) in it. (This is for checking & completion purposes.)

Use the %AB macros.  From the help file:

=[Begin Help File]=
AbnnnPPP   insert a field from the address book. The "nnn" part
   determines the address that is used to retrieve
   information from the address book, the "PPP" part is
   the name of the address book field to be used. 

Possible values for the " nnn " part are:

TO  use the address entry for the TO addressee of the current message
OFROM   use the address entry for the FROM address of the original message
OREPLY  use the address entry for the REPLY-TO address of the original message
OTO use the address entry for the TO addressee of the original message
FROMuse the address entry for the FROM address of the current message
REPLY   use the address entry for the REPLY-TO address of the current message

Possible values for the " PPP " part are:

Namethe full name
FirstName   the first name
LastNamethe last name
MiddleName  the middle name
Handle  the handle (alias)
NamePrefix  the name prefix (such as "Mr.", "Mrs.", "Dr." etc)
NameSuffix  the name suffix (such as ", Jr.", ", PhD", etc)
Birthdaythe date of birth
Email   the primary e-mail address
Addrthe home street address
Citythe home city name
State   the home state/province name
ZIP the home address ZIP/Postal code
Country the home address country name
Phone   the home phone number
Fax the home facsimile number
Mobile  the mobile phone number
Pagethe personal homepage URL
Company the company name
Job the job title
Deptthe department name
Office  the office number
BusAddr the business street address
BusCity the business address city name
BusStatethe business address state/province name
BusZIP  the business address ZIP/Postal code
BusCountry  the business address Country name
BusPhonethe business telephone number
BusFax  the business facsimile number
BusPagerthe business pager number
BusPage the business homepage URL
Gender  the person's gender
Charset the default character set
Memothe Memo contents of the address entry

AbnnnPPP = "text"   insert a field from the address book as above.
If there is no matching address book entry or
the field requested from the address book is
blank, insert text instead   
=[End Help File]=


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 Januk Aggarwal

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Deborah!

On Tuesday, July 16, 2002 at 7:01:39 PM you wrote:

> Can I do this without individually typing in information for each
> recipient? I know I can do a Quick Template with First Name, Last
> Name, Email Address - but can I put in other information from the AB?
> If so, do I use a QT (& if so, what other macros do I need)? Or is
> there another way to do it?

Look for the %ABnnnPPP macro. With it you can put any information
stored in any field of the AB into your mails just like %TO etc.



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personalised mass-mailing?

[Deborah W]

You know that junk-mail you get (snail mail, not email) that has your
name etc inserted in various places in the information? Says stuff
like "You, Deborah, may have won a million pounds! Just fill in this
form, Deborah, & send it back" etc?

I need to do that with emails. I have about 30 people to send an email
to, & I need to be able to put information from my address book in
various "fields" in the email: name, address, email address etc. Each
person is to get an email with their own information (gleaned from my
AB) in it. (This is for checking & completion purposes.)

Can I do this without individually typing in information for each
recipient? I know I can do a Quick Template with First Name, Last
Name, Email Address - but can I put in other information from the AB?
If so, do I use a QT (& if so, what other macros do I need)? Or is
there another way to do it?

TIA
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Re: Mass Mailing Unique problem

[Raj]

Hi,

On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, at 21:28:06 [GMT +0530] (which was 9:28 PM where I live) you
wrote:

R> I  checked  each  address  and  could  not  find  any thing wrong. No additional
R> characters..  I mean there is no difference in the entry for a mail in which the
R> name is generated and the one in which its not.

I  realized  the problem after checking out... If there is a space in the e-mail
id then the macros is not able to pick up correctly.

Bug 


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Re: PGP sign mass mailing using template

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello Marck,

Thursday, April 25, 2002, 9:37:02 PM, you wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1

> Hi Costas,

> @25 April 2002, 21:09:24 +0300 (19:09 UK time) Costas Papadopoulos
> wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 How do I do it, then?

>>> Try %USEPGP

>> Hmm...  I  placed  it  at  the beginning of the message, but it didn't
>> work. The message was sent out without a PGP signature.

> Add %SIGNCOMPLETE too.

I did; no luck. The message goes to the Outbox unsigned.

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Re: PGP sign mass mailing using template

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello Costas,

Thursday, April 25, 2002, 9:53:00 PM, you wrote:
> Hello Marck,

> Thursday, April 25, 2002, 9:37:02 PM, you wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1

>> Hi Costas,

>> @25 April 2002, 21:09:24 +0300 (19:09 UK time) Costas Papadopoulos
>> wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>>>> How do I do it, then?

>>>> Try %USEPGP

>>> Hmm...  I  placed  it  at  the beginning of the message, but it didn't
>>> work. The message was sent out without a PGP signature.

>> Add %SIGNCOMPLETE too.

> I did; no luck. The message goes to the Outbox unsigned.

Based  on further testing, I think it only works with the "new message
using  template"  menu, but not with the "mass mailing using template"
option.

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Re: PGP sign mass mailing using template

[Marck D Pearlstone]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Costas,

@25 April 2002, 21:09:24 +0300 (19:09 UK time) Costas Papadopoulos
wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> How do I do it, then?

>> Try %USEPGP

> Hmm...  I  placed  it  at  the beginning of the message, but it didn't
> work. The message was sent out without a PGP signature.

Add %SIGNCOMPLETE too.

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Re: PGP sign mass mailing using template

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello Dierk,

Thursday, April 25, 2002, 8:44:30 PM, you wrote:

> On Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 6:49:39 PM you wrote:

>> How do I do it, then?

> Try %USEPGP

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Re: PGP sign mass mailing using template

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Costas!

On Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 6:49:39 PM you wrote:

> How do I do it, then?

Try %USEPGP



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PGP sign mass mailing using template

[Costas Papadopoulos]

I  want to PGP sign messages that I send using the "mass mailing using
template"  feature  which  is  found in the addressbook menus. I tried
inserting  the %SIGNCOMPLETE macro in my template, but apparently this
doesn't work.

How do I do it, then?

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Re[2]: Mass mailing by macros + limits question

[Joern Barthel]

Hi Shahar, hi Dave!

Thank you very much for your quick and informative responses!

Monday, April 1, 2002, 3:24:24 PM, you wrote:

S> I sent once about 900 recipients and The But was freeze. Was on P133,
S> 64MB RAM. Never tried later. Since then I use a mass mailing software
S> that go directly to the Database and merges the data from there.

That does not sound like The Bat! is really capable of handling such
large amounts of messages. Did you use mass mailing or direct BCC? And
what software do you use now? I have only experience with majordomo
and ezmlm but my favorite would be a fit-the-purpose Windows
application which is stable enough to handle many users (+ automated
error-handling as well as un- / subscriptions) and not a configured
down mailinglist manager which requires a -ix os.

S> Have no idea about the BCC field limitation.

No RFC I know of states any limitation (ok, it was a rather quick
check) but I suppose most MTA's have a limitation of some kind.

DiPA> support told me I would "blow the bcc buffer", The result was
DiPA> E-mails were lost in Cyberspace with no bounce just receivers
DiPA> never received.

That's exactly the scenario I certainly do not want for my newsletter.
:*)

DiPA> If I send using my ISP (Cox cable) it takes an hour or so one
DiPA> message at a time, typically about 60k in size each. For the
DiPA> last month or so I started using PointCast Server Software.

Well - that should not be a limitation in my case. I have only ADSL
but a provider (www.t-online.de) who is featuring a quite good smtp
relay which is available only for it's customers but not very critical
about speed. Straight 128 kbit/s + a small message size should do the
job very well.

DiPA> Both ways using Bat to produce via mass mailing template 800
DiPA> (actually was 795) separate messages instead of bcc, solved the
DiPA> "missing in space" problem. The time required to send using ISP
DiPA> as smtp or my computer using Point Cast is about the same since
DiPA> I have to rerun Point Cast 4-5 times to overcome time outs. But
DiPA> I like Point Cast since I have more control and can see what is
DiPA> going on.

Hmm. Do you think that The Bat!'s maximum amount of emails stored in a
folder is limited in some fashion? Anyway I think there should be a
macro for mass mailing in a feature version. I really do not like the
approach to ...

 1. edit a file with the newsletter body
 2. select all receivers of the specific message
 3. select the mass mailing option from the Addressbook

These are waaay to many steps to make this feature foolproof.

DiPA> Good luck

Thank you very much for sharing your experiences with me!

Best regards from Berlin,


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Re[3]: Mass mailing by macros + limits question

[Joern Barthel]

Hi Marcus,

Tuesday, April 2, 2002, 11:22:42 AM, you wrote:

>> In the address book use the mass mailing to individual addresss
>> option with a Template.

MO> Must be blind. Where do I find that function?

Define a Quick Template, check "Use for new messages / mass mailing",
select receipants from your Addressbook, choose "File"-"Massmailing
using Template".


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Re[3]: Mass mailing by macros + limits question

[Dave in Phoenix]

> On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, 2:22:42 AM, Marcus Ohlström wrote:  >> In
> the address book use the mass mailing to individual addresss
>> option with a Template.

> Must be blind. Where do I find that function?

If I understand the question.. Address book...select all (not sure if
needed) and then still in address book:  FILE / MASS MAILING USING
TEMPLATE.

That seems to be only way to get individual addressed E-mails not BCC's
or CC's.

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Re[4]: Mass mailing by macros + limits question

[Marcus Ohlström]

>> Must be blind. Where do I find that function?

> If I understand the question.. Address book...select all (not sure if
> needed) and then still in address book:  FILE / MASS MAILING USING
> TEMPLATE.

Works now. I forgot to mark appropriate QT for mass mailing...

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Re[2]: Mass mailing by macros + limits question

[Marcus Ohlström]

> In the address book use the mass mailing to individual addresss
> option with a Template.

Must be blind. Where do I find that function?

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Re: Re[2]: Mass mailing by macros + limits question

[Dave in Phoenix AZ]

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:27:20 -0500, DG Raftery Sr. wrote:
>Take a look at it and I think you will be happier with Mercury/32 than
>Postcast and at the same price!

Thanks for sharing your experience.  I will try it. Price certainly is
right !

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Re[2]: Mass mailing by macros + limits question

[DG Raftery Sr.]

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Monday, April 01, 2002
11:19:50 AM
RE: "Mass mailing by macros + limits question"

Greetings Dave,

On Monday, April 1, 2002, 11:16:46 AM, you wrote:

Dave> If I send using my ISP (Cox cable) it takes an hour or so one message at a
Dave> time, typically about 60k in size each.  For the last month or so I started
Dave> using PointCast Server Software.

Have you looked at Mercury/32 from the authors of Pegasus?
http://www.pmail.com/downloads_maine_t.htm

Tried both Postcast and Mercury/32 here and settled on Mercury/32 which is
also freeware. Mercury/32 is as easy to set up as Postcast, multi-threaded
as well, an extremely faster than Postcast, IMHO, and handles Hotmail's smtp
handshakes flawlessly.

Take a look at it and I think you will be happier with Mercury/32 than
Postcast and at the same price!

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Re: Mass mailing by macros + limits question

[Dave in Phoenix AZ]

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:53:48 +0200, Joern Barthel wrote:
>I'd like to do a newsletter using The Bat! targeting 2000+ users.

I use to have a 2000+ subscribed to E-mail list before a website for
newsletters which were huge.  But I had to break down the list way down to
about 200 to send at a time since as ISP tech support told me I would "blow
the bcc buffer",  The result was E-mails were lost in Cyberspace with no
bounce just receivers never received.  That was before 1998.

More recently I now have a 800 name differenet subcriber Private E-mail
list.  I started to have same "lost in space" problem.  Bat has the perfect
solution.  In the address book use the mass mailing to individual addresss
option with a Template.  My Template simply sets the subject "Phoenix
Private E-mail List" and pastes the current weekly update from a file.  I
then have it send to outbox.  Takes maybe 30 seconds or so (using 2gig Dell
with WinXP) and all messages are in outbox.

If I send using my ISP (Cox cable) it takes an hour or so one message at a
time, typically about 60k in size each.  For the last month or so I started
using PointCast Server Software.  Instead of using your ISP's smtp server
it makes your own computer the smtp server.  In Bat in transport menue
change from ISP's smpt server to just "DELL" and set up PointCast to
receive from Dell.  PointCast opens 20 threads at a time multitasking 20
different sends at a time.  The negative of this is I get a lot of dns
server and end server timeouts (hotmail seems really bad).  While the first
run maybe takes 10-15 minutes to try and send the 800 E-mails, last night
for example it left about 160 unsent due to timeouts etc.  I rerun it 4-5
times (depending on how long  you set the timeouts to give up) and
eventually all but 7 got sent.  Of the 7 about 3 were either unknown since
since last week account had been closed or the infamous "mailbox full"
error.  I delete these each week.  The other 4 were just timeouts with no
reject reason.  I then manually send them regular way via Cox since its
smtp server will keep trying for hours or days if just a problem with
addressess server.   Of these 4  , I think I got rejects for mailbox full
or no account on 2 of them sent back the regular way and the other 2 seemed
to make it.  Or, at least no bounce so far.

Both ways using Bat to produce via mass mailing template 800 (actually was
795) separate messages instead of bcc, solved the "missing in space"
problem.  The time required to send using ISP as smtp or my computer using
Point Cast is about the same since I have to rerun Point Cast 4-5 times to
overcome time outs.  But I like Point Cast since I have more control and
can see what is going on.

If you have a slower than cable connection it may take longer.  But my
upload speed is only about 500kb or so vs about 3mb download.  But if
someone only has a 28K dialup it will take much longer.

Good luck

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Re: Mass mailing by macros + limits question

[Shahar]

Hello Joern

On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 3:53:48 PM, Joern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote to 
Shahar about:
Mass mailing by macros + limits question

>  in some way (if not by The Bat! then by my uplinks MTA) - so it'll be
>  better to use individually generated mail (=mass mailing). However I
>  was unable to do this using macros - is there some way around doing
>  mass mailing using Quick Templates / Addressbook?

>  - Has anyone on this list experience with such a large amount of
>  recipients?

> rgs/joern

Joern,
I sent once about 900 recipients and The But was freeze. Was on P133,
64MB RAM. Never tried later. Since then I use a mass mailing software
that go directly to the Database and merges the data from there.

Have no idea about the BCC field limitation.

Shahar.


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Mass mailing by macros + limits question

[Joern Barthel]

Hi List!

I'd like to do a newsletter using The Bat! targeting 2000+ users.
I've already tested The Bat!'s mass mailing functions a little bit but
there are a few things you people here have most likely already
experience with so I'd like to ask a few questions:

 - The max. number of recipients for a BCC: field is likely limited
 in some way (if not by The Bat! then by my uplinks MTA) - so it'll be
 better to use individually generated mail (=mass mailing). However I
 was unable to do this using macros - is there some way around doing
 mass mailing using Quick Templates / Addressbook? Instead I'd like to
 write an ordinary mail and then distribute it through any of my
 addressbooks ... is that possible?

 - If this is not possible - is there a The Bat! limit for BCC? And is
 there any way to make The Bat! split messages around this limit?
 
 - Has anyone on this list experience with such a large amount of
 recipients? Are there any pitfalls or known problems? The hardware
 I'll use this feature on will be a decent one (P4/265+ RAM, Win2k).

Thanks in advance and best regards,


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Re: Customized mass mailing TO: field

[Thomas F]

Hi Pit,

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:52:17 +0100GMT (07/01/2002, 15:52 +0800GMT),
Peter Palmreuther wrote:

PP> You should have known the Power of macros :-)

You know, while I am still amazed by the power within The Bat!, I am
using the following macro for this very list:

%TO=""%TO="""%OFromName on TBUDL"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

- I ignored your remark on my age in the German TB OT list, and there
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Re: Customized mass mailing TO: field

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Thomas,

On 7 Jan 2002 at 08:43:29 you wrote (at least in part):

CT>> It _can_ be done ;-)

TF> I stand corrected. ;-)

You should have known the Power of macros :-)
Albeit it were pure theory :-)
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Re: Customized mass mailing TO: field

[Thomas F]

Hi Carsten,

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 05:02:28 +0100GMT (07/01/2002, 12:02 +0800GMT),
Carsten Thönges wrote:

CT>>> Hm, I think Andy wants to send the mails to individual members not using
CT>>> their _real names_ but the _club name_ instead.

TF>> I see. No, I don't think that can be done.

CT> It _can_ be done ;-)

I stand corrected. ;-)

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Re: Customized mass mailing TO: field

[Andrew Aronoff]

Hi, Carsten.

Carsten> It _can_ be done ;-)
Carsten>
Carsten> ,----- [ mass mailing template ]
Carsten> | %TO=""%TO="Poker Club Members <%ToAddr>"
Carsten> |
Carsten> | Hi %AbToFirstName,
Carsten> |
Carsten> | bla bla bla bla

Thanks! That's _exactly_ what I wanted -- except for the "bla bla"
part. ;-)

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Re: Customized mass mailing TO: field

[Carsten Thönges]

Hi Thomas, hi Andy,

CT>> Hm, I think Andy wants to send the mails to individual members not using
CT>> their _real names_ but the _club name_ instead.

[ ... my first attempt was not worth quoting  ... ]

TF> I see. No, I don't think that can be done.

It _can_ be done ;-)

,- [ mass mailing template ]
| %TO=""%TO="Poker Club Members <%ToAddr>"
| 
| Hi %AbToFirstName,
| 
| bla bla bla bla
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Re: Customized mass mailing TO: field

[Thomas F]

Hi Carsten,

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 04:24:03 +0100GMT (07/01/2002, 11:24 +0800GMT),
Carsten Thönges wrote:

CT> Hm, I think Andy wants to send the mails to individual members not using
CT> their _real names_ but the _club name_ instead.

CT> 
CT> Does something like %TO="Poker Club Members <%ABtoAddr>" work?
CT> 

I see. No, I don't think that can be done.

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Re: Customized mass mailing TO: field

[Carsten Thönges]

Hi Thomas,

TF> for mass mailing, I assume you use TB's mass amiling feature.
TF> [...]

TF> I further understand all messages should be addressed to R. flush, and
TF> in addition to each group member. To achieve this, you use the
TF> following in your QT:

TF> %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" %TO="ABtoAddr"

Hm, I think Andy wants to send the mails to individual members not using
their _real names_ but the _club name_ instead.


Does something like %TO="Poker Club Members <%ABtoAddr>" work?


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Re: Customized mass mailing TO: field

[Thomas F]

Hi Andrew,

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 02:49:09 +0100GMT (07/01/2002, 09:49 +0800GMT),
Andrew Aronoff wrote:

AA> For instance, if my poker club has two members, R. Flush
AA> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, and S. Pair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, I'd like the
AA> letters to be addressed to "Poker Club Members" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
AA> and "Poker Club Members" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.

for mass mailing, I assume you use TB's mass amiling feature. For
this, you have created a Quick Template.

I further understand all messages should be addressed to R. flush, and
in addition to each group member. To achieve this, you use the
following in your QT:

%TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" %TO="ABtoAddr"

The TO marco is cumulative. This should do what you want. This should
also earn you the wrath of R. Flush, because he receives as many
messages as there are members in your poker club. ;-)

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Re: Customized mass mailing TO: field

[Raj]

Andrew,

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, at 02:49:09 [GMT +0100] (which was 7:19 AM where I live) you
wrote:

AA> I'd like to send a mass mailing message with the message custom
AA> written to each person in the group, but I'd like the TO: field to
AA> consist of a fixed string plus the group member's e-mail address.

While  I  have  used  TB's  mass  mailing  feature,  I  am  not  sure there is a
possibility  of a custom 'body' for each mail. Assuming that the majority of the
message  is  common,  what  I did was to use the mass mailing option and put the
mails  in  outbox  and then edit each mail which required customization and then
send them.

AA> How do I change the TO: field to a fixed string followed by each group
AA> member's e-mail address? Should this be done in the Quick Template or
AA> in the Group's New message template?

While  I  have  not  tried this, an option would be to create a separate address
book  for  all  the addresses which you want to mail and make the changes in the
addresses to achieve what you want.

If you do lot of mass mailing check out WorldMerge from Colaradosoft.

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Customized mass mailing TO: field

[Andrew Aronoff]

Hello,

I'd like to send a mass mailing message with the message custom
written to each person in the group, but I'd like the TO: field to
consist of a fixed string plus the group member's e-mail address.

For instance, if my poker club has two members, R. Flush
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, and S. Pair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, I'd like the
letters to be addressed to "Poker Club Members" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
and "Poker Club Members" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.

How do I change the TO: field to a fixed string followed by each group
member's e-mail address? Should this be done in the Quick Template or
in the Group's New message template?

regards, Andy

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Re: mass mailing question

[Scott Frederick]

Hello Marck,

Sunday, December 16, 2001, 4:15:43 PM, you wrote:

MDP> If you can pre-sweep the data, getting rid of all the "mailto:";
MDP> prefixes on the address and wrapping the lines together into the form:

MDP> http://www.forest.ca/browsesearchs/162/30/, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

MDP> Then you can import these into an address book group, putting the
MDP> email address into the address field and the web site into the Memo
MDP> field. You can then use the macro %ABTOMEMO to access the website
MDP> address in a standard Mass Mailing template. See the FAQ for details
MDP> of how to do a mass mailing if in doubt.

I will give that a try. Thanks for the ideas. If it works I will be
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Re: mass mailing question

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Hi Scott,

On 16 December 2001 at 15:51:31 [GMT-0800] (which was 23:51 where I
live) Scott Frederick wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these
points:

SF> http://www.forest.ca/browsesearchs/162/30/
SF> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

SF> And what I want to do is have 50 messages go out in the form :

SF> (addressed to second value)

SF> Dear webmaster, blah blah regarding your web page at (first
SF> value), blah blah blah.

SF> Although I see that forming a group will allow a message to be
SF> sent to all, I don't see how the urls can be included. Each url is
SF> specific to each address.

If you can pre-sweep the data, getting rid of all the "mailto:";
prefixes on the address and wrapping the lines together into the form:

http://www.forest.ca/browsesearchs/162/30/, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Then you can import these into an address book group, putting the
email address into the address field and the web site into the Memo
field. You can then use the macro %ABTOMEMO to access the website
address in a standard Mass Mailing template. See the FAQ for details
of how to do a mass mailing if in doubt.

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Re: mass mailing question

[Scott Frederick]

Hello Marck,

Sunday, December 16, 2001, 2:35:46 PM, you wrote:

MDP>>> You can import it to the address book and use it from there.

SF>>   Are you suggesting a single address book entry with 50 pairs of
SF>>   values?

MDP> No, I'm suggesting a single address book *group* with 50 entries in
MDP> it.

MDP> You can import CSV data directly to an address book group.

My data is like this:

http://www.forest.ca/browsesearchs/162/30/
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

And what I want to do is have 50 messages go out in the form :

(addressed to second value)

Dear webmaster, blah blah regarding your
web page at (first value), blah blah blah.

Although I see that forming a group will allow a message to be sent to
all, I don't see how the urls can be included. Each url is specific to
each address.

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Re: mass mailing question

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Hello Scott,

On Sunday, December 16, 2001, at 02:18:49 PM -0700, Scott Frederick wrote
the following in regards to "mass mailing question":

> Are you suggesting a single address book entry with 50 pairs of
> values? How do I call them up in order to create 50 individual
> messages?

Well, I don't know about a single entry... but a single Group works very
well. Create a new Group and then copy over any/all individual entries
you want as part of that new Group. That is exactly what I have done,
and when I want to send one message to the multiple entries, I simply
choose my new Group Name ... and the message goes out with only
the Group Name in the To: field.

One thing I forget is how I got the "" name in there as well.
Perhaps someone else can explain that part, but I think simply by going
to the Group Properties and checking the box about adding the items to
the Instant Address Pop-Up.

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Re: mass mailing question

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Hi Scott,

On 16 December 2001 at 14:18:49 [GMT-0800] (which was 22:18 where I
live) Scott Frederick wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these
points:

MDP>> You can import it to the address book and use it from there.

SF>   Are you suggesting a single address book entry with 50 pairs of
SF>   values?

No, I'm suggesting a single address book *group* with 50 entries in
it.

You can import CSV data directly to an address book group.

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Re: mass mailing question

[Scott Frederick]

Hello Marck,

Sunday, December 16, 2001, 3:28:36 AM, you wrote:

MDP> If you make it:

MDP> value1,address1
MDP> value2,address2

MDP> You can import it to the address book and use it from there.

  Are you suggesting a single address book entry with 50 pairs of
  values? How do I call them up in order to create 50 individual
  messages?

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