Always sending us-ascii (was: Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability)
Hello MFPA, On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:53:36 + GMT (28/Feb/09, 7:53 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit M However, my outgoing messages for this account are M sent using a local SMTP server and the copy in the M sent list of that app also says Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit M Surely that suggests it's not my machine that is M changing it? In that case, it looks like your SMTP server does that. I would find that strange. M I will give up trying to work out what happened to the character set M of mid:1496799133.20090225192...@my_localhost because I cannot M work out how to reproduce it consistently. Yes, you can. Read on. M My mid:747229546.20090226183...@my_localhost came M back via the list still in utf-8 No: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit M but M mid:1854458029.20090226185...@my_localhost came back changed to M us-ascii. It's consistent. Your messages all arrive as us-ascii over here. M mid:908317301.20090227222...@my_localhost in my sentbox has M charset=iso-8859-15 M but the copy I received via the list has M charset=us-ascii As I said, it's consistent. Points to your SMTP server, I'd say. M I am going a bit off-topic for the thread. I have adjusted the thread. You are not off-topic for the list. -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Always sending us-ascii (was: Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability)
Hi On Saturday 28 February 2009 at 1:52:08 PM, in mid:8710485007.20090228205...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de, Thomas Fernandez wrote: M came back via the list still in utf-8 No: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit M but mid:1854458029.20090226185...@my_localhost came M back changed to us-ascii. It's consistent. Your messages all arrive as us-ascii over here. I never really took much notice before. That is weird because they are sent in Latin 9, or in the same as the message they are in reply to (if available). M mid:908317301.20090227222...@my_localhost in my M sentbox has charset=iso-8859-15 but the copy I M received via the list has charset=us-ascii As I said, it's consistent. Points to your SMTP server, I'd say. Odd, because if I send to myself, the character set does not change (and the message is actually sent out and delivered via a POP server). Still, I'll try sending via Yahoo's server. This message leaves me with a character set of latin 9 (iso-8859-15). M I am going a bit off-topic for the thread. I have adjusted the thread. You are not off-topic for the list. (-; -- Best regards, MFPA During an eruption - move away from the volcano - not towards it Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability
Hello MFPA, On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:57:29 + GMT (27/Feb/09, 1:57 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: M Just noticed something odd about the character sets of my messages. M When composing mid:1496799133.20090225192...@my_localhost the bottom M of my editor window that it was Unicode (UTF-8). The headers from the M copy in my Sent box say Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit M but the copy I received back from TBUDL has Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Must be your machine, not the list server. It works fine for Dwight and me, and we outnumber you. Please check whether you have set charset override set anywhere. -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability
Hello Eddie, On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:00:26 +0200 GMT (26/Feb/09, 20:00 +0700 GMT), Eddie Castelli wrote: No, it's Arabic for Thank you. شوكرﴼ TF I think I got the correct word isolated above. The cursor goes TF left-to-write but internally deletes right-to-left. EC No you didn't. see below. A friend wrote it for me. IShe said EC something like you had a character to much. شوكرﴼ ECشكرا OK, I have one o too many. This is the problem with Arabic, sometimes the vowels are written, sometimes not. However, your last letter (the left-most one) looks wrong to me. The two little lines over the alif are missing, so it's shokra instead of shokran. Please ask her again. TF ขอบคุฌครับ! The last line is Thai. All three - English, Arabic, Thai - display correctly in my PTV. Provided that my Arabic spelling is correct, though. (My Thai spelling is indeed correct.) EC I see very well Arabic and Thai. English? How does this look like? You are right. I mean of course Latin script. But then, with English spelling. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability
Hello Dwight, On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:23:19 -0600 GMT (26/Feb/09, 7:23 +0700 GMT), Dwight Corrin wrote: DC On Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 10:42:06 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: شوكرﴼ TF ขอบคุฌครับ! DC come out fine in reply here Your reply is also looking good here, and in UTF-8. -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability
Hi On Friday 27 February 2009 at 2:39:24 PM, in mid:925553828.20090227213...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello MFPA, On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:57:29 + GMT (27/Feb/09, 1:57 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: M Just noticed something odd about the character sets M of my messages. When composing M mid:1496799133.20090225192...@my_localhost the M bottom of my editor window that it was Unicode M (UTF-8). The headers from the copy in my Sent box say Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit M but the copy I received back from TBUDL has Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Must be your machine, not the list server. It works fine for Dwight and me, and we outnumber you. Please check whether you have set charset override set anywhere. No idea where to look for that. However, my outgoing messages for this account are sent using a local SMTP server and the copy in the sent list of that app also says Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Surely that suggests it's not my machine that is changing it? -- Best regards, MFPA My mind works like lightning... one brilliant flash and it's gone Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability
Hello MFPA, On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:27:33 + GMT (28/Feb/09, 5:27 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Must be your machine, not the list server. It works fine for Dwight and me, and we outnumber you. Please check whether you have set charset override set anywhere. M No idea where to look for that. Options / Preferences / Viewe/Editor / Profiles I don't know whether it would actually override trhe charset, though. M However, my outgoing messages for this account are sent using a M local SMTP server and the copy in the sent list of that app also M says Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit M Surely that suggests it's not my machine that is changing it? In that case, it looks like your SMTP server does that. I would find that strange. -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability
Hi On Friday 27 February 2009 at 10:42:35 PM, in mid:905215704.20090228054...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Options / Preferences / Viewe/Editor / Profiles I have none of the boxes ticked there. [...] In that case, it looks like your SMTP server does that. I would find that strange. It would be. I tried sending the message to myself and the character set did not change. I wonder what will happen if I send one to the list and cc myself. -- Best regards, MFPA When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability
Hi On Friday 27 February 2009 at 10:42:35 PM, in mid:905215704.20090228054...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello MFPA, On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:27:33 + GMT (28/Feb/09, 5:27 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Must be your machine, not the list server. It works fine for Dwight and me, and we outnumber you. Please check whether you have set charset override set anywhere. M No idea where to look for that. Options / Preferences / Viewe/Editor / Profiles I don't know whether it would actually override trhe charset, though. M However, my outgoing messages for this account are M sent using a local SMTP server and the copy in the M sent list of that app also says Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit M Surely that suggests it's not my machine that is M changing it? In that case, it looks like your SMTP server does that. I would find that strange. I will give up trying to work out what happened to the character set of mid:1496799133.20090225192...@my_localhost because I cannot work out how to reproduce it consistently. My mid:747229546.20090226183...@my_localhost came back via the list still in utf-8 but mid:1854458029.20090226185...@my_localhost came back changed to us-ascii. mid:908317301.20090227222...@my_localhost in my sentbox has charset=iso-8859-15 but the copy I received via the list has charset=us-ascii I am going a bit off-topic for the thread. -- Best regards, MFPA When you're through changing, you're through Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability
Dear Thomas, --- Thomas Fernandez / Mittwoch 25.02.2009, 18:42:06 Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability Hello list, I am redirecting this from TBOT to TBUDL, because it's on-topic. I just played around with MicroEd, which is Unicode-capable. The thread on TBOT was about Thank you in different languages. I added Arabic and Thai. Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 10:58:10 PM, I wrote: [...] No, it's Arabic for Thank you. شوكرﴼ TF I think I got the correct word isolated above. The cursor goes TF left-to-write but internally deletes right-to-left. No you didn't. see below. A friend wrote it for me. IShe said something like you had a character to much. شوكرﴼ شكرا TF Hey everybody, do you see Arabic writing? Can somebody give me TF Stefan's email address, he coded the editor and I'm on a new TF computer and don't have his address in the history. I love TF Unicode, because you can mix scripts at will. TF ขอบคุฌครับ! The last line is Thai. All three - English, Arabic, Thai - display correctly in my PTV. Provided that my Arabic spelling is correct, though. (My Thai spelling is indeed correct.) I see very well Arabic and Thai. English? How does this look like? -- liebe Grüsse www.EddieCastelli.com Eddie :ec: on Tour Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability
Hi On Wednesday 25 February 2009 at 10:12:51 PM, in mid:1565691459.20090226051...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de, Thomas Fernandez wrote: The problem may have to do with the fonts chosen in your editor. Courier New -- Best regards, MFPA Ballerinas are always on their toes. We need taller ballerinas! Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability
Hi On Thursday 26 February 2009 at 6:31:48 PM, in mid:747229546.20090226183...@my_localhost, MFPA wrote: Hi On Wednesday 25 February 2009 at 10:12:51 PM, in mid:1565691459.20090226051...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de, Thomas Fernandez wrote: The problem may have to do with the fonts chosen in your editor. Courier New Just noticed something odd about the character sets of my messages. When composing mid:1496799133.20090225192...@my_localhost the bottom of my editor window that it was Unicode (UTF-8). The headers from the copy in my Sent box say Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit but the copy I received back from TBUDL has Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Best regards, MFPA The truth is out there. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability
Hello list, I am redirecting this from TBOT to TBUDL, because it's on-topic. I just played around with MicroEd, which is Unicode-capable. The thread on TBOT was about Thank you in different languages. I added Arabic and Thai. Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 10:58:10 PM, I wrote: [...] No, it's Arabic for Thank you. شوكرﴼ TF I think I got the correct word isolated above. The cursor goes TF left-to-write but internally deletes right-to-left. TF Hey everybody, do you see Arabic writing? Can somebody give me TF Stefan's email address, he coded the editor and I'm on a new computer TF and don't have his address in the history. I love Unicode, because you TF can mix scripts at will. TF ขอบคุฌครับ! The last line is Thai. All three - English, Arabic, Thai - display correctly in my PTV. Provided that my Arabic spelling is correct, though. (My Thai spelling is indeed correct.) -- Cheers, Thomas. Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability
Hi On Wednesday 25 February 2009 at 4:42:06 PM, in mid:625586198.20090225234...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 10:58:10 PM, I wrote: [...] No, it's Arabic for Thank you. ? When reading the message you posted, I saw what looked like Arabic writing. In this reply, I see question marks. [...] TF ??! The last line is Thai. The Thai shows in the incoming message here as a line of squares but is converted to a line of question marks when I reply. -- Best regards, MFPA It's better to feed one cat than many mice Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability
Hello MFPA, On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:27:22 + GMT (26/Feb/09, 2:27 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: No, it's Arabic for Thank you. ? M When reading the message you posted, I saw what looked like Arabic M writing. In this reply, I see question marks. Over here, when I reply to my message, it still shows as Arabic. M [...] TF ??! The last line is Thai. M The Thai shows in the incoming message here as a line of squares but M is converted to a line of question marks when I reply. I still see it in Thai when I reply to that message. The problem may have to do with the fonts chosen in your editor. -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thanks for MicroEd's Unicode ability
On Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 10:42:06 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: شوكرﴼ TF I think I got the correct word isolated above. The cursor goes TF left-to-write but internally deletes right-to-left. TF Hey everybody, do you see Arabic writing? Can somebody give me TF Stefan's email address, he coded the editor and I'm on a new computer TF and don't have his address in the history. I love Unicode, because you TF can mix scripts at will. TF ขอบคุฌครับ! come out fine in reply here -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.11.5 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Copy and Paste for Asian languages and unicode
Hello Jack, Friday, May 27, 2005, 9:08:44 AM, you wrote: J I have problem copying text from TB! editor. J If it's GB2312 or BIG5 (Chinese multi-byte encoding) J it displays OK as long as my windows supports it. J However, when I select and copy from TB! editor, when J pasting it to another editor, it'll be garbage code. If I copy J from other editors, I can paste to TB! without a problem. IMO, if full unicode/DBCS support of TB is not implemented, this problem would not be solved indeed. -- Best regards, Ming Changmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Translator of Chinese The Bat! The Bat! Chinese Website: http://www.thebat.cn/ The Bat! Chinese Forum: http://bbs.thebat.com.cn/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Copy and Paste for Asian languages and unicode
Hi, I have problem copying text from TB! editor. If it's GB2312 or BIG5 (Chinese multi-byte encoding) it displays OK as long as my windows supports it. However, when I select and copy from TB! editor, when pasting it to another editor, it'll be garbage code. If I copy from other editors, I can paste to TB! without a problem. I'm using 2.12. Is there any solution to this problem? These are plain text messages. -- Best regards, Jack Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Copy and Paste for Asian languages and unicode
Hello Jack, On Thu, 26 May 2005 21:08:44 -0400 GMT (27/05/2005, 08:08 +0700 GMT), Jack wrote: J However, when I select and copy from TB! editor, when J pasting it to another editor, it'll be garbage code. If I copy J from other editors, I can paste to TB! without a problem. Please send me a message in Big5 and another one in GB2312 by PM. I will try some things. J I'm using 2.12. Is there any solution to this problem? J These are plain text messages. I know that I had this problem with Big5 messages in v2, but that was on my old computer. I will try whether it still persists with v3.5 under XP. -- Cheers, Thomas. 10. A computer program will always do what you tell it to do, but rarely what you want it to do. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.0.17 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Need help for importing unicode UTF-8 characters set in TB3.
Hello, I've found that mails which are not well viewed in TB when they are HTML are those which are encoded in unicode UTF-8. I see in preferences that I can add a set. Someone could help me to find the table UTF-8 (web link or sending me the set by e-mail off-list), in the format of TB (XLT, XLAT ?) and say me how to import it in TB ? Thanks -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.0.1.33 BayesIt! 0.7.8 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I send messages in Unicode?
Hello Anthony, On Friday, April 15, 2005, at 19:57 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: AGA But TB _displays_ Unicode without any problem, it seems. So it just AGA can't generate it? Well it has big problems displaying Unicode in message list, MailTicker. And forget about writing using UTF-8 :( -- Edvinas Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I send messages in Unicode?
Hi On Saturday 16 April 2005 at 12:39:56 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: MFPA writes: At least one problem: TB! will not display it using the _plain_ text viewer. Annoying. It seems to be displaying it for me, Are you sure? It is acknowledged in Stefan Tanurkov's note to the bug report at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4067 that the plain text viewer does not support Unicode. although it uses a proportional font (Lucida Sans Unicode-- I understood that only fixed width fonts can be used with the PTV. Here, Lucida Sans Unicode is one of many fonts available in the rich text viewer but not in the plain text viewer. -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I send messages in Unicode?
Hello Anthony, On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:39:56 +0200 GMT (16/04/2005, 06:39 +0700 GMT), Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: AGA It seems to be displaying it for me, although it uses a proportional AGA font (Lucida Sans Unicode--I don't have any monospaced Unicode fonts). TB displays Unicode by switching to the RTV. That's an annoyance which has been addressed. To answer the original question: No, TB's editors still cannot create messages in Unicode. -- Cheers, Thomas. Warum hatte Bach so viele Kinder, Kant jedoch kein einziges? - Weil Bach sich auf die Kunst der Fuge verstand, waehrend Kant nur das Ding an sich betrachtet hat. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I send messages in Unicode?
Hi On Sunday 17 April 2005 at 7:25:43 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Fernandez wrote: TB displays Unicode by switching to the RTV. That's an annoyance which has been addressed. Is that in a beta? https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4067 has not been updated, even to say it was in work. -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I send messages in Unicode?
Hello MFPA, On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 19:58:46 +0100 GMT (18/04/2005, 01:58 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: TB displays Unicode by switching to the RTV. That's an annoyance which has been addressed. M Is that in a beta? The version I am using just has something that was fixed over the versin you are using (don't remember what), but nothing to do with Unicode. M https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4067 has not been updated, M even to say it was in work. It has not been updated, and I don't know whether they are really working on displaying Unicode messages in the PTV. Stefan says in the bug report you reference: PTV does not support Unicode and I doubt that it will. -- Cheers, Thomas. The save icon on Microsoft Word shows a floppy disk, with the shutter on backwards. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I send messages in Unicode?
Hi On Sunday 17 April 2005 at 8:06:51 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Fernandez wrote: TB displays Unicode by switching to the RTV. That's an annoyance which has been addressed. M Is that in a beta? The version I am using just has something that was fixed over the versin you are using (don't remember what), but nothing to do with Unicode. Sorry, I thought you meant displaying Unicode by switching to the RTV was the annoyance which has been addressed -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I send messages in Unicode?
Hello MFPA, On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 02:07:03 +0100 GMT (18/04/2005, 08:07 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: M Sorry, I thought you meant displaying Unicode by switching to the M RTV was the annoyance which has been addressed It was me that was unclear: This issue has been addressed by users and communicated to Ritlabs. Ritlabs has not addressed it properly yet, they are not doing anything about it. -- Cheers, Thomas. Finally 21, and Legally Able to Do Everything I've Been Doing Since 15. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I send messages in Unicode?
MFPA writes: Are you sure? It is acknowledged in Stefan Tanurkov's note to the bug report at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4067 that the plain text viewer does not support Unicode. Well, I see the special Unicode characters in the message, and it's only black-and-white text. And I have TB set to never display the HTML version of a message. Here, Lucida Sans Unicode is one of many fonts available in the rich text viewer but not in the plain text viewer. I don't know. I guess I'm not sure about what it is displaying. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Can I send messages in Unicode?
Is there a way for me to send messages in Unicode with TB? I need to send stuff containing characters from the International Phonetic Alphabet, and while I have the necessary Unicode fonts installed, I'm not sure if there's a way to send Unicode in TB. I send only plain-text messages with the built-in Micro-Ed. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I send messages in Unicode?
Hello Anthony, On Friday, April 15, 2005, at 09:33 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: AGA Is there a way for me to send messages in Unicode with TB? I need to AGA send stuff containing characters from the International Phonetic AGA Alphabet, and while I have the necessary Unicode fonts installed, I'm AGA not sure if there's a way to send Unicode in TB. I send only plain-text AGA messages with the built-in Micro-Ed. No, you can't Ritlabs ignore this Unicode issue :( -- Edvinas Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I send messages in Unicode?
Hi, On Friday, April 15, 2005 at 8:33:51 AM, Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: Is there a way for me to send messages in Unicode with TB? I need to send stuff containing characters from the International Phonetic Alphabet, and while I have the necessary Unicode fonts installed, I'm not sure if there's a way to send Unicode in TB. I send only plain-text messages with the built-in Micro-Ed. Maybe with Mime-proxy. Not sure of the URL but it may be http://www.lamaiziere.net/. Or try on Google. -- Ludovic LE MOAL The Bat! 3.0.1.33 on Windows 98 4.10 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I send messages in Unicode?
No, you can't Ritlabs ignore this Unicode issue :( But TB _displays_ Unicode without any problem, it seems. So it just can't generate it? -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I send messages in Unicode?
Hi On Friday 15 April 2005 at 5:57:19 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: But TB _displays_ Unicode without any problem, it seems. At least one problem: TB! will not display it using the _plain_ text viewer. Annoying. -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I send messages in Unicode?
MFPA writes: At least one problem: TB! will not display it using the _plain_ text viewer. Annoying. It seems to be displaying it for me, although it uses a proportional font (Lucida Sans Unicode--I don't have any monospaced Unicode fonts). -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[FWD/FYI] - [The Bat 0003765]: Unicode and The Bat!
Hello, everyone. If you are not receiving updates from The Bat! bugtrack list, I thought that you might find the attached report of interest. This bug has, at least, been assigned to a developer. Cordially, David -- Original Message -- Mon, 4 Oct 2004 04:31:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 04:31:18 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: PHPMailer [version 1.71] Keywords: [The Bat] Other MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 The following issue has been ASSIGNED. = = Reported By:Igor A. Vyatkin Assigned To:Stefan Tanurkov = Project:The Bat Issue ID: 3765 Category: Other Reproducibility:always Severity: major Priority: normal Status: confirmed = Date Submitted: 29 Sep 2004 09:27 CDT Last Modified: 04 Oct 2004 04:31 CDT = Summary:It is impossible to create Unicode (UTF-7, UTF-8 etc) messages. Description: The opportunity of creation of Unicode (UTF-7, UTF-8 etc) messages is not stipulated. Or I do not understand something? = Issue History Date Modified Username FieldChange = 04 Oct 2004 04:31Marek MikusAssigned To = Stefan Tanurkov 04 Oct 2004 04:31Marek MikusStatus new = confirmed 30 Sep 2004 09:14AndreasIssue Monitored: Andreas 29 Sep 2004 14:17David M. DickersonIssue Monitored: David M. Dickerson 29 Sep 2004 11:40drifthat Issue Monitored: drifthat 29 Sep 2004 09:27Igor A. VyatkinNew Issue = -- Original Message -- -- David M. Dickerson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://ddickerson.igc.org/ * * * In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness. - ELIE WIESEL :David_Dickerson: _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hello Thorvald, On Friday, October 1, 2004, at 08:53 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: TN That's what they told me when 1.xx was around... ;) Exactly! -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 2.12.00 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hi Thorvald Neumann - On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, at 07:53:03 [GMT +0200] (which was 10:53 PM where I live) you wrote: That's what they told me when 1.xx was around... ;) Exactly! -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.1 RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp7HCrwnlOkf.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hello, Edvinas. On Thursday, 30 September 2004, you wrote: EM I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support. EM It was promised for years, but promises just EM left promises. I realize that TBUDL is not a forum for complaining, ;-) but, in all candor, I share your pessimism about The Bat! ever supporting Unicode. In fact, the lack of Unicode support is the main reason that I still am evaluating The Bat! and cannot get off the fence and decide whether or not to register it, or to use another, less powerful, e-mail client, such as Thunderbird, which does offer Unicode support. I first used The Bat! in March 2000, when I was teaching an HTML workshop to teachers in Kiev (Kyiv), Ukraine. I had never heard of The Bat! before, but I liked the program, based upon this brief exposure to it. (In addition, I am drawn to ANY Windows e-mail client that offers security.) If I did not have so many friends in Ukraine and Russia, the issue of Unicode support would be of little importance to me, but these friends appreciate me using even a little bit of Russian (particularly, my fiancee, in Odessa), even if my Russian IS rudimentary and incoherent at times. :-) RANT I would register The Bat! immediately, if I thought that the program would actually support Unicode someday, but the few responses I have received from the developers lead me to be very pessimistic, indeed. /RANT Cordially, David (Tennessee, United States) -- David M. Dickerson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://ddickerson.igc.org/ * * * In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness. -- ELIE WIESEL _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Unicode support?
Will The Bat! support Unicode support? For example the very common UTF-8 codepage? Application that communicate with Unicode do not need to know any other code pages (such as ISO-8859-1, big5, shift-jis, etc). Unicode support allmost all current languages in the world, including Arabic, Japanese and Chinese with its Kanji characters. Many email applications such as Outlook, Evolution, Thunderbird and a lot of webmails support UTF-8. -- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hello Spam, On Thursday, September 30, 2004, at 16:51 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: S Will The Bat! support Unicode support? I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support. It was promised for years, but promises just left promises. -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 2.12.00 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hello Spam, On Thursday, September 30, 2004, at 16:51 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: S Will The Bat! support Unicode support? I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support. It was promised for years, but promises just left promises. Why so? About all OS'es support Unicode. Windows has since NT 4.0. I use it virtually everywhere. Is it notepad or the Linux console or in my Instant Messaging programs and on all my websites. It work perfectly fine and I can mix Japanese, Latin and other languages without the need to specify additional code pages/conversion tables. As long as programs support Unicode there is no need for users to ever bother with code pages again. I do not agree with you at all that Unicode is just a empty promise. -- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 18:11, Edvinas Matiuðaitis wrote: I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support. It was promised for years, but promises just left promises. That's what I am waiting for, too. *bumpthetopicuptothetoponthefeaturelist* -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Listening to: DeutschlandRadio Berlin Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 30 Sep 2004, @ @ at 19:11:50 +0300, when Edvinas Matiuaitis wrote: Hello Spam, On Thursday, September 30, 2004, at 16:51 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: S Will The Bat! support Unicode support? I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support. It was promised for years, but promises just left promises. Will be, will be... Willwillwill... We just have to be patient. Which is a Virtue. And then, someday at the Saint Never, we'll harvest the fruits of our ardent hope. [rest of the stage blacks out, and from the roof a shiny disklike object attracts attention of the many] A fossilly old man wearing fluorescent alga appears from the backstage deep blueness and murmurs: What is wo/man without a hope... - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 29 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBXD3g9q62QPd3XuIRAqGlAKCMh2P+f2w8whemcfoRNiPg23SMVwCfTCfs r+WxL9Lnu4LgW3FW8qCDquQ= =vt7G -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hæ! Please add your voice to the TB's bugtraq wishlist. Here is the wish for Unicode: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=234 -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Listening to: DeutschlandRadio Berlin Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support? aka Eying Infinity
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 30 Sep 2004, @ @ at 18:37:40 +0200, when Spam wrote to Edvinas: I do not agree with you at all that Unicode is just a empty promise. You just didn't wait enough. Watering your hope by the tears of yours. Or how the Artist would say: There's an unceasing wind that blows through this night And there's dust in my eyes, that blinds my sight And silence that speaks so much louder than words, Of promises broken -- Pink Floyd, Momentary Lapse of Reason Of promises broken... Of promises broken... Of promises broken... thud [Old Man decomposes; two garbage men wearing shovels approach from the left; lights fade-out; a female scream from the gallery] - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 29 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBXEaw9q62QPd3XuIRAqe2AKCCOlH8zJijs4K/gsSs7bK6jbQAPgCeOo1Y se3qH12GMDaFF0+r8Hvb0mw= =IOcr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hello Spam, You got a name? On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:37:40 +0200 GMT (30/09/2004, 23:37 +0700 GMT), Spam wrote: S I do not agree with you at all that Unicode is just a empty promise. IMHO Unicode is the future. What Edvinas meant is that *Unicode in TB* has been promised for a long time and still isn't there. -- Cheers, Thomas. Was ist das Problem der heutigen Gesellschaft - mangelndes Wissen oder mangelndes Interesse? - Weiss ich nicht, ist mir auch egal. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hello Spam, You got a name? On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:37:40 +0200 GMT (30/09/2004, 23:37 +0700 GMT), Spam wrote: S I do not agree with you at all that Unicode is just a empty promise. IMHO Unicode is the future. What Edvinas meant is that *Unicode in TB* has been promised for a long time and still isn't there. Ah. I understand. Sorry for my mistake. ´ -- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Unicode support?
Howdy Mica, Thursday, September 30, 2004, 6:09:53 PM, Mica wrotened: S Will The Bat! support Unicode support? I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support. It was promised for years, but promises just left promises. Mica Will be, will be... Willwillwill... We just have to be patient. Which is Mica a Virtue. Mica And then, someday at the Saint Never, we'll harvest the fruits of our Mica ardent hope. Mica [rest of the stage blacks out, and from the roof a shiny disklike object Mica attracts attention of the many] Mica A fossilly old man wearing fluorescent alga appears from the backstage Mica deep blueness and murmurs: What is wo/man without a hope... I am sensing unhappiness from Mica's end -- Have Fun, | | |en is |\ohop [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz 598 MHz 1.00GB RAM The voices may not be real, but they have some pretty good ideas. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:55:41 +0700, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:37:40 +0200 GMT (30/09/2004, 23:37 +0700 GMT), Spam wrote: S I do not agree with you at all that Unicode is just a empty promise. IMHO Unicode is the future. What Edvinas meant is that *Unicode in TB* has been promised for a long time and still isn't there. So, I send 2 or 3 emails to information request from TheBat's menu, and I get no response. I publicly ask about the lack of responses, and then I get something. Go figure... About unicode, the response is: On Tuesday, September 7th, 2004, at 08:47:55 GMT +09:00 (IRKST) (at the same time it was 07/09/2004, 02:47:55 my local time), you wrote (at least in part): W Specifically, will there be support for unicode in version 3? It will be added as soon as possible. WL -- . Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hæ! Friday, October 1, 2004, 05:23, WL wrote: It will be added as soon as possible. That's what they told me when 1.xx was around... ;) -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: thebat v3 and unicode
Hæ! Thursday, September 2, 2004, 06:44, WL wrote: Is unicode in in header/body of the email supported as well? I'm trying out v3 right now, but it doesn't seem like unicode characters are displaying correctly. No, it is not. I guess I am complaining about the miserable Unicode-support since v. 1.xx (can't remember which build). :( -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | aesir media http://www.aesir.de/ [The Bat! v2.12.03 without BayesIt on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: thebat v3 and unicode
Hi WL, on Thursday, September 2, 2004 at 06:44 you wrote in message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] among others: Hello, all. Just looking through the feature list on ritlabs.com and browsing through the mailing list. I see a reference to the anti-virus API now supports unicode in version 2.12. Is unicode in in header/body of the email supported as well? I'm trying out v3 right now, but it doesn't seem like unicode characters are displaying correctly. UNICODE is not supported in TB though it is promised more than 2 1/2 years! WL -- Best regards, Roland PGP-Key: 0x92A05704 (DH/DSS) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I use The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/8 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2! Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: thebat v3 and unicode
Hello Roland, On Thursday, September 2, 2004, at 08:31, you wrote: RB UNICODE is not supported in TB though it is promised more than 2 1/2 years! Right. First they promised it for 2.0, then they promised for 2.20 (big changes were promised). For version 3.xx they haven't promised unicode support yet... Nice progress. -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 3.0 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
thebat v3 and unicode
Hello, all. Just looking through the feature list on ritlabs.com and browsing through the mailing list. I see a reference to the anti-virus API now supports unicode in version 2.12. Is unicode in in header/body of the email supported as well? I'm trying out v3 right now, but it doesn't seem like unicode characters are displaying correctly. WL -- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: poor Unicode support (was: problems copying Russian text from email-body)
Hello Andre, On Saturday, July 3, 2004, at 12:55 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: AW Ritlabs said it is planned. That's all we know. RitLabs said it's planned two or three years ago. Version 2.00 was supposed to support unicode. Now we have 2.11.02 and still no unicode support. -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
poor Unicode support (was: problems copying Russian text from email-body)
Hello Edvinas, Saturday, July 3, 2004, 8:29:49 AM, you wrote: I am 100% sure that this is TheBat! problem. I've tried to paste Russian text from TheBat! to IE, Opera adress prompts, Outlook Express, UniRed (all these programs supports unicode) -- instead of Cyrillic characters I get question marks. Even when I try to copy/paste Russian text from one The Bat! window to another, I get question marks. And what happens with Baltic characters? I asked some time ago on this list, whether somebody knows what are Ritlab's plans for unicode/utf-8, but nobody seems to know... -- Best regards, Cyrille mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [ TB! 2.11.02, Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000, Pentium 233Mhz with 95MB ] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: poor Unicode support (was: problems copying Russian text from email-body)
Hello Cyrille, On Saturday, July 3, 2004, at 12:18 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: Even when I try to copy/paste Russian text from one The Bat! window to another, I get question marks. C And what happens with Baltic characters? With Baltic characters everything is correct. Problem occures when copy/paste is performed with characters from different charset than system default. -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: poor Unicode support (was: problems copying Russian text from email-body)
Hello Cyrille, On 3 Jul 2004 at 12:18:22 +0200 GMT [12:18 CEST] you wrote: C I asked some time ago on this list, whether somebody knows what are C Ritlab's plans for unicode/utf-8, but nobody seems to know... Ritlabs said it is planned. That's all we know. -- Cheers, Andre Let me assure you that to us here at First National, you're not just a number. You're two numbers, a dash, three more numbers, another dash and another number. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: poor Unicode support
Hi Edvinas, on Saturday, July 3, 2004 at 12:43 you wrote in message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] among others: Even when I try to copy/paste Russian text from one The Bat! window to another, I get question marks. C And what happens with Baltic characters? With Baltic characters everything is correct. Problem occures when copy/paste is performed with characters from different charset than system default. Unicode is also for me very urgent, because I cannot write Polish characters in the addressbooks and in all templates and quick templates! -- Best regards, Roland PGP-Key: 0x0D023C45 (DH/DSS) I use The Bat! v2.12 Beta/6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1! Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: poor Unicode support
Hi Andre, on Saturday, July 3, 2004 at 12:55 you wrote in message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] among others: C I asked some time ago on this list, whether somebody knows what are C Ritlab's plans for unicode/utf-8, but nobody seems to know... Ritlabs said it is planned. That's all we know. Ritlabs said this a very lon time ago and Ritlabs also had said that in version 2 it is included, but it wasn't!!! -- Best regards, Roland PGP-Key: 0x0D023C45 (DH/DSS) I use The Bat! v2.12 Beta/6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1! Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: poor Unicode support
Hi Roland Burger - On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, at 18:21:10 [GMT +0200] (which was 9:21 AM where I live) you wrote: Unicode is also for me very urgent, because I cannot write Polish characters in the addressbooks and in all templates and quick templates! If it makes you feel any better, I have the same problem with Chinese characters. I certainly don't have this problem with Outlook. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpPs9nlZ7Tgj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
write Central European characters in templates (was: poor Unicode support)
Witaj Roland, Saturday, July 3, 2004, 6:21:10 PM, you wrote: Unicode is also for me very urgent, because I cannot write Polish characters in the addressbooks and in all templates and quick templates! You can!!! My templates generate Polish text with plenty of beautiful , ,,,...etc. I suppose that the default codepage of your system is 'Western'. This is why TB displays instead of the Central European characters the characters which have the in the Western character table the same position. TB does this in the address book, the templates, and in the menus (if you switch TB's menu language to Polish), but not in the message editor if you choose the right charset for the message. If you switched you system's default codepage to Central European, you would not have this problem any more. (But other problems (-: ...) What I do is that I have (and type) Polish text in the templates, and I accept that it is displayed wrongly (I don't care because I want templates to work and not to look nice). As soon as these templates generate text in a message everything displays correctly. Of course, my Polish templates also set the charset to ISO-8859-2. This works also for Russian. But you are right. Everything would be easier, if TB supported unicode properly. -- Best regards, Cyrille mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [ TB! 2.11.02, Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000, Pentium 233Mhz with 95MB ] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: poor Unicode support
Hello Roland, On 3 Jul 2004 at 18:22:30 +0200 GMT [18:22 CEST] you wrote: RB Ritlabs said this a very lon time ago and Ritlabs also had said RB that in version 2 it is included, but it wasn't!!! The last time Stefan said it was 20 February. But right now imap seems to have priority. -- Cheers, Andre Geh nicht nur die glatten Strassen: geh Wege, die vor Dir noch niemand ging, damit Du Spuren hinterlässt,und nicht nur Staub. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB! and Unicode
Hi, Is there any way to enable TB for Unicode (so as to use Unicode for writing messages and to correctly display messages written in Unicode)? Just setting a Unicode font for the Viewer will not do, as it seems. Sorry if this topic has been discussed before; I am one of those who got trapped in the Yahoo registration process and thus cannot search the archives. Thanks and kind regards, Anselm __ Anselm Buehling - Translations EN/RU DE [EMAIL PROTECTED] +49 30 6950 4870 |phone +49 30 6950 4898 |fax +49 170 961 2072 |mobile Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! and Unicode
- Original Message - From: Anselm Buehling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:31 PM Subject: TB! and Unicode Hi, Is there any way to enable TB for Unicode (so as to use Unicode for writing messages and to correctly display messages written in Unicode)? Just setting a Unicode font for the Viewer will not do, as it seems. Unfortunately answer is No. The Bat! currently does not support Unicode. -- Edvinas Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB! and Unicode
Unfortunately answer is No. The Bat! currently does not support Unicode. Thanks. Anyone knows whether Unicode support is planned, then, and when we might expect it? Kind regards, Anselm __ Anselm Buehling - Translations EN/RU DE [EMAIL PROTECTED] +49 30 6950 4870 |phone +49 30 6950 4898 |fax +49 170 961 2072 |mobile Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! and Unicode
Hello Anselm, On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:31:11 +0100 GMT (28/02/03, 17:31 +0700 GMT), Anselm Buehling wrote: Is there any way to enable TB for Unicode (so as to use Unicode for writing messages and to correctly display messages written in Unicode)? Just setting a Unicode font for the Viewer will not do, as it seems. No, you would also need to choose Unicodee encoding. I hope this will be implemented in TB's version 2. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Dort wo jetzt die Truemmer ragen, standen einst stolze Burgfraeuleins und warteten auf ihre ausgezogenen Ritter. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Unicode
Hello Peter, 7. september 2001, 20:10:12, you wrote: PM in The Bat! I get the results Thomas has already described. In my browser PM (Opera 5.12) it is displayed as intended. Interesting, here Opera 5.12 doesn't seem to display the page correctly... (but it may be because I installed ISO-8859-2 unofficial patch) -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.53d on Windows 98 4.10.1998. ] A military disaster may produce a better postwar situation than victory. -- White Flag Principle -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Unicode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jernej Simonèiè, You wrote on 9/9/2001, 9:12 PM: Jernej Interesting, here Opera 5.12 doesn't seem to display the page Jernej correctly... (but it may be because I installed ISO-8859-2 Jernej unofficial patch) IE 5.5 shows it fine here... (the plaintext part of the mail had lost its charset= header, though) - -- Cheers, SyP Perfection is our goal, excellence will be tolerated. (J. Yahl) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 ckt build 5 iQA/AwUBO5vC9NkgnrcJiuwTEQKEHACfYK15cm3oSNIss3VX1dbFpa+J1MwAmgIb qOpjwNZ95dzR+/trbJQPLX8t =2bV5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Unicode
Hello, As I understand, currently The Bat! does not support Unicode. Am I right? If so - anyone knows if there are plans to add Unicode support for future versions of The Bat! ? -- Edvinas -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Unicode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Edvinas, You wrote on 9/7/2001, 3:04 PM: Edvinas As I understand, currently The Bat! does not support Unicode. Edvinas Am I right? There is already some (very limited) functionality present, so if you receive an UTF-7 or UTF-8 encoded email, TB! will try to display it - but internally converts it first to some 8-bit codepage. Han characters, characters from different codepages stand no chance being displayed correctly. IIRC this only applies to the plaintext part of the messages - the HTML/Rich Text Viewer doesn't know jack about Unicode. Edvinas If so - anyone knows if there are plans to add Unicode Edvinas support for future versions of The Bat! ? I really hope so. - -- Cheers, SyP Put knot yore thrust inn spel chequers... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 ckt build 5 iQA/AwUBO5jOEtkgnrcJiuwTEQKzEACfaXrFPqOM4Sv+AbzR4uT9rQ1MlqEAoLAE 3xR/+TbKQ/18wclhw32ZfrC2 =wKWQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Unicode
Hello SyP, On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:39:26 +0200 GMT (07/09/2001, 22:39 +0800 GMT), SyP wrote: S There is already some (very limited) functionality present, so if you S receive an UTF-7 or UTF-8 encoded email, TB! will try to display it - S but internally converts it first to some 8-bit codepage. Han S characters, characters from different codepages stand no chance being S displayed correctly. Do you have a way of sending me such a message? If it is UTF-encoded, and you have the fonts on your box, it should display correctly even if the languages are mixed. I didn't now about this internal conversion into an 8-bit encoding, where did you read this? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Auf einer Packung Nuesse von American Airlines: Anleitung: Packung oeffnen, Nuesse essen. [Schritt 3: Mit Swissair fliegen] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Unicode
This message is HTML on purpose, sorry about that. :) Let's see how TB! deals with UTF-8! katakana letter ZI: ジ o with double acute: ő o with tilde: õ a with grave accent: à the Euro sign: € Thomas Do you have a way of sending me such a message? If it isThomas UTF-encoded, and you have the fonts on your box, it shouldThomas display correctly even if the languages are mixed. Let's use that old dusty Outlook Express for something... Thomas I didn't now about this internal conversion into an 8-bit encoding,Thomas where did you read this? Nowhere, I just figured it out... If I wasn't factually correct, I hope RIT Labs will correct me, that's why I CC:-ed [EMAIL PROTECTED]in my letter. I guess they call WideCharToMultiByte with the current code page as a parameter, but I'm in wild speculation mode right now. Bye, SyP
Fwd: Re: Unicode
Hi Sorry I think my last message didn't look the same on the list as before I sent it out... Here it is MIME-attached. SyP This message is HTML on purpose, sorry about that. :) Let's see how TB! deals with UTF-8! katakana letter ZI: ジ o with double acute: ő o with tilde: õ a with grave accent: à the Euro sign: € Thomas Do you have a way of sending me such a message? If it isThomas UTF-encoded, and you have the fonts on your box, it shouldThomas display correctly even if the languages are mixed. Let's use that old dusty Outlook Express for something... Thomas I didn't now about this internal conversion into an 8-bit encoding,Thomas where did you read this? Nowhere, I just figured it out... If I wasn't factually correct, I hope RIT Labs will correct me, that's why I CC:-ed [EMAIL PROTECTED]in my letter. I guess they call WideCharToMultiByte with the current code page as a parameter, but I'm in wild speculation mode right now. Bye, SyP
Re: Unicode
Hello SyP, On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 19:08:13 +0200 GMT (08/09/2001, 01:08 +0800 GMT), SyP wrote: S Let's see how TB! deals with UTF-8! I couldn't find a Context-Type and charset= header in your message. Right clicking and choosing Charater Set on your message shows None. In plain text view, none of the characters displayed correctly. They show combinations of European characters (my default character set): S katakana letter ZI: ジ A lower-case a with a tilde, followed by a comma and a little hook I've never seen before. S o with double acute: ő Upper-case A with the (Swedish) circle on top, followed by accente grave, which hangs in the air. S o with tilde: õ Upper-case A with tilde, followed the Greek lower case letter mi (the one that is used as micro in physics). S a with grave accent: à Upper case A with tilde. S the Euro sign: € Lower-case a with accente circumflex, followed by comma, followed by a graphic character: upper right corner. With internal HTML engine (1.54 b8), the characters are not displayd, but I see rectangles instead. Some of these rectangles are preceded by question marks. Double-clicking on the attachment opens IE 5.5. Encoding is correctly identified as UTF-8. The first two characters are displayed as rectangles, the others correctly. I guess that is becuase I don't have the fonts to display the first two. Can we call this a bug? Or is UTF not officially supported, and we put it in the wishlist? S I guess they call WideCharToMultiByte with the current code page as S a parameter, but I'm in wild speculation mode right now. I don't know what this means, but in the HTML engine the word WideCharToMultiByte is displayed normal, while IE displayes it in bold. That's a beta-bug and does not belong on this list. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Vacuum: A large, empty space where the pope lives. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Unicode
Hallo Thomas, TF I don't know what this means, but in the HTML engine the word TF WideCharToMultiByte is displayed normal, while IE displayes it in TF bold. That's a beta-bug and does not belong on this list. ;-) In my version of TB WideCharToMultiByte is displayed as bold in the html-engine. For the rest my results are the same. -- Groetjes, Roelof -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Unicode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 19:08:13 +0200GMT (which was 19:08 +0200GMT where I live), SyP presented us with these thoughts about Unicode: S This message is HTML on purpose, sorry about that. :) S Let's see how TB! deals with UTF-8! Hi SyP, in The Bat! I get the results Thomas has already described. In my browser (Opera 5.12) it is displayed as intended. Cheers Peter -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGP-signed for better authentication :o) Comment: Key available at http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt Comment: Key-ID:0xE10774CE Comment: Have a lot of fun! :-) iQA/AwUBO5j/SQM2UgbhB3TOEQLjzgCg+2QGJ/O47N6xHRQ1Q4ONlpQGc5MAoNgb MzS/IHmH6g+toIkLJif9v571 =sQR/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Unicode
Hello Thomas, You wrote on 9/7/2001, 7:37 PM: Thomas I couldn't find a Context-Type and charset= header in your Thomas message. Thomas Right clicking and choosing Character Set on your message Thomas shows None. Sorry, this is my last try :) I think I know what happened: At first I saved the UTF-encoded message as EML from OE. Then I imported it to TB!. At this point, the charset=utf-8 was in their place. When I sent it out, and also when I sent it out MIME-forwarded from TB!, it seems to have lost this charset= header. Now I will try to send the message saved from Outlook attached as file. By the way, TBUDL now accepts attachments, sh! ;) -- Cheers, SyP Emacs is a decent OS, but its editor sucks. This message is HTML on purpose, sorry about that. :) Let's see how TB! deals with UTF-8! katakana letter ZI: ジ o with double acute: ő o with tilde: õ a with grave accent: à the Euro sign: € Thomas Do you have a way of sending me such a message? If it isThomas UTF-encoded, and you have the fonts on your box, it shouldThomas display correctly even if the languages are mixed. Let's use that old dusty Outlook Express for something... Thomas I didn't now about this internal conversion into an 8-bit encoding,Thomas where did you read this? Nowhere, I just figured it out... If I wasn't factually correct, I hope RIT Labs will correct me, that's why I CC:-ed [EMAIL PROTECTED]in my letter. I guess they call WideCharToMultiByte with the current code page as a parameter, but I'm in wild speculation mode right now. Bye, SyP
Re: Unicode
Hello Thomas, You wrote on 9/7/2001, 7:37 PM: Thomas I couldn't find a Context-Type and charset= header in your Thomas message. Thomas Right clicking and choosing Character Set on your message Thomas shows None. Sorry, this is my last try :) I think I know what happened: At first I saved the UTF-encoded message as EML from OE. Then I imported it to TB!. At this point, the charset=utf-8 was in their place. When I sent it out, and also when I sent it out MIME-forwarded from TB!, it seems to have lost this charset= header. Now I will try to send the message saved from Outlook attached as file. By the way, TBUDL now accepts attachments, sh! ;) -- Cheers, SyP Emacs is a decent OS, but its editor sucks. This message is HTML on purpose, sorry about that. :) Let's see how TB! deals with UTF-8! katakana letter ZI: ジ o with double acute: ő o with tilde: õ a with grave accent: à the Euro sign: € Thomas Do you have a way of sending me such a message? If it isThomas UTF-encoded, and you have the fonts on your box, it shouldThomas display correctly even if the languages are mixed. Let's use that old dusty Outlook Express for something... Thomas I didn't now about this internal conversion into an 8-bit encoding,Thomas where did you read this? Nowhere, I just figured it out... If I wasn't factually correct, I hope RIT Labs will correct me, that's why I CC:-ed [EMAIL PROTECTED]in my letter. I guess they call WideCharToMultiByte with the current code page as a parameter, but I'm in wild speculation mode right now. Bye, SyP
Re: Unicode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello all, I wrote on 9/7/2001, 8:11 PM: SyP Now I will try to send the message saved from Outlook attached as SyP file. It didn't exactly worked out... Now, sorry everyone for the torrent of HTML mail :) I just really liked TB! to properly handle Unicode. I put the original version, which still has the Charset= header, to this place: http://www.detim.hu/~syp/tb/unicode.eml - -- Cheers, SyP I once heard the voice of God. It said 'Vrrr.' Unless it was just a lawnmower. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 ckt build 5 iQA/AwUBO5kCddkgnrcJiuwTEQJCWACeOG+sN4IRIuBWUdd6WGZJ7fvx8fgAoJpt 1oFoGKIG9bpSxu8fVvad5kPL =MoHn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Unicode
Hello SyP, On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 at 20:11:51 GMT +0200 (which was 9/8/2001 1:11 AM where you think I live) you told to the list : By the way, TBUDL now accepts attachments, sh! ;) Oops, try it now :-) -- Best regards, - Syafril - -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Unicode ?
Hello NamNH, On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, at 06:47:47 [GMT +0700] (00:47 my local time), you wrote: N Pls let me know if The Bat supports character UTF-8 ? N I found that Becky 2.0 is suppoting this character set N so that I can send UNICODE fonts But, tell me, do you need to send it Unicode? Does your language require this for proper sending? -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Unicode ?
Pls let me know if The Bat supports character UTF-8 ? I found that Becky 2.0 is suppoting this character set so that I can send UNICODE fonts Cheers, -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
RE: Unicode ?
STOP SPAMING ME WITH THESE MESSAGES !! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of NamNH Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Unicode ? Pls let me know if The Bat supports character UTF-8 ? I found that Becky 2.0 is suppoting this character set so that I can send UNICODE fonts Cheers, -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: [Opera-users]: Unicode TB!'s Browser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas! On Saturday, December 30, 2000 at 4:24:11 AM you wrote: in the Middle East they have the year sixhundredsomething (after Muhammad) Shouldn't it be 1379?! AFAIR their calendar goes back to the 622, around which Muhammad "came" to Mekka. BTW, even if the calendar is based upon his death - how would he have to been when he died (whew, what a complicated grammatical construction, hope I got the tenses right). ;-) - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.48f Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Absurdity: A statement of belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion. (Ambrose Bierce) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOk2xt/To1oA8g8dLEQJU8QCgwjXrwvSUtXegG2qe02X36ETifwwAnAkY YeQQtcu5w5k+WQa9Cuu9tiRU =3DHj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: [Opera-users]: Unicode TB!'s Browser
Hello Thomas other Batmen women following this by now OT thread, Friday, December 29, 2000, you stated regarding : the purportedly upcoming Bat! coffee machine: TF I sure hope it will be integrated into v2, and my machine TF machine is also ready to be controlled by TBv2. I'm biting my TF nails and hoping that v2 comes out soon, as I'm running out of TF clean clothes Then: TF Are you drunk? This should be "washing machine", referring to an TF earlier mail of mine. ;-) It's the same fantasy (and joke) either (or both) way(s). (I DID think that adding the latter also, WAS funny). But: DH The chief developer DID specifically state that they did NOT want DH to over extend themselves (bite off more than they could chew). TF Who's chief? Stefan? Maxim? He who has the chief's hat on (it may be a big hat - ask one or both of them). TF I understand them as a team. (Sorry, this time I won't bite. And frankly, I'd rather you'd kindly refrain from trying to make me out to be in the wrong w/o grounds, once again. And that's a flat statement, to be taken as such no more). TF first beta for v2 was scheduled for Feb 2000, but they never TF said which counting. There have been a multitude of free upgrades since that was announced. TB! users haven't exactly been left out in the cold. So it all depends on what you want to count, or focus on. Personally, IMO I think this has gotten OT enough for the list. DH -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: [Opera-users]: Unicode TB!'s Browser
Hallo Dierk, On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:58:14 +0100 GMT (30/12/2000, 18:58 +0800 GMT), Dierk Haasis wrote: in the Middle East they have the year sixhundredsomething (after Muhammad) DH Shouldn't it be 1379?! AFAIR their calendar goes back to the 622, DH around which Muhammad "came" to Mekka. Gee, you're right, I mixed up the actual year and the difference between the Christian and the Muslim calendars. DH BTW, even if the calendar is based upon his death - how would he DH have to been when he died (whew, what a complicated grammatical DH construction, hope I got the tenses right). ;-) You didn't, but I get your point anyway. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. -When I'm good, I'm very good. But when I'm bad I'm better.--Mae West Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48h under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: [Opera-users]: Unicode TB!'s Browser
A Bat-fellow, Allie, wrote on Thursday, December 28, 2000 at 18:59:02 (GMT -0500), which was Friday 0:59 a.m. in Bratislava -- AM Have you seen the TB! homepage slogan? AM "Save your time - Extend your life! " AM AMSensational isn't it? Yeah, like extend your life by always manually adjusting the height of the preview window after toggling it off and on with CTRL+SHIFT+E ! (But we've all heard that song countless times before. I guess there'll be a Bat! web browser, a Bat! news reader, and a Bat! coffee machine before RITlabs ever fix the most aggravating bugs in our favourite mail program.) -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.net [processed by "The Bat!", Version 1.48f] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: [Opera-users]: Unicode TB!'s Browser
Hello Avenarius other Batmen women following this thread, Friday, December 29, 2000, you responded to ACM's saying: AM Have you seen the TB! homepage slogan? AM "Save your time - Extend your life! " AM AMSensational isn't it? That's typical TB! wry humor. A Yeah, like extend your life by always manually adjusting the A height of the preview window after toggling it off and on with A CTRL+SHIFT+E ! It WOULD be better, if you were able to resize it with your mind. A (.. I guess there'll be a Bat! web browser, a Bat! news reader, A and a Bat! coffee machine before RITlabs ever fix the most A aggravating bugs in our favourite mail program.) On the one hand, we don't know that. The chief developer DID specifically state that they did NOT want to over extend themselves (bite off more than they could chew). On the other hand, I for one WOULD certainly try out a TB! web browser, /or news reader (I don't drink coffee), if one were out there (and so would you). Do you know of any other email client that has been upgraded as often (and as substantially) as TB! has? DH -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: [Opera-users]: Unicode TB!'s Browser
Hi Douglas, On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:53:47 -0600GMT (30/12/2000, 05:53 +0800GMT), Douglas Hinds wrote: A (.. I guess there'll be a Bat! web browser, a Bat! news reader, A and a Bat! coffee machine before RITlabs ever fix the most A aggravating bugs in our favourite mail program.) DH On the one hand, we don't know that. I have *never* heard/read them deny that a The Bat! Coffee Machine is in the making. :-) I sure hope it will be integrated into v2, and my machine machine is also ready to be controlled by TBv2. I'm biting my nails and hoping that v2 comes out soon, as I'm running out of clean clothes DH The chief developer DID specifically state that they did NOT want DH to over extend themselves (bite off more than they could chew). Who's chief? Stefan? Maxim? I understand them as a team. And they would never overextend themselves... first beta for v2 was scheduled for Feb 2000, but they never said which counting. Over here in Taiwan, we will start the year 90 in two days (that's ninety, counting from the date of the founding of the Republic of China), in the Middle East they have the year sixhundredsomething (after Muhammad), but in Thailand, the year 2544 will start the day after tomorrow (counting after Buddha). So, according to two out of four countings, they are slightly behind, but far ahead for the otehr two. Evens out. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: [Opera-users]: Unicode TB!'s Browser
Hi myself, On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:24:11 +0800GMT (30/12/2000, 11:24 +0800GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF I sure hope it will be integrated into v2, and my machine machine Are you drunk? This should be "washing machine", referring to an earlier mail of mine. ;-) TF is TF also ready to be controlled by TBv2. I'm biting my nails and hoping TF that v2 comes out soon, as I'm running out of clean clothes -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[6]: Unicode TB!'s Browser
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Tuesday, December 26, 2000, Avenarius wrote to Opera Users about Unicode TB!'s Browser: A Thanks for the suggestions, David and Oleg, but the point seems to A be: in Internet Explorer you need to press A ALT A A A initial letter for a bookmark or bookmarks folder A initial letter for a bookmark A and the desired page opens: that's 3 or (maximum) 4 keystrokes. A In Opera you need to press A F8 [to access the data field to type into] A a few letters to distinguish your bookmark / bookmarks folder A F2 (or Shift+F2) [to start loading the page] No. Only Shift-F2 to get input line and start typing nickname. Loading starts automatically when what you type in identify only one bookmark. A How many keystrokes is that compared to IE? Time is a key factor in A browsing, and I'm wasting it whenever I need to access bookmarks in A Opera. 2 times less if there no other bookmark nicknames starting with this letter. If you don't know a product you shouldn't write so big letters blaming it things it is not guilty. -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.48f under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[7]: Unicode TB!'s Browser
A Bat-fellow, Oleg Zalyalov, wrote on Tuesday, December 26, 2000 at 12:59:04 (GMT +0400), which was 9:59 a.m. in Bratislava -- A How many keystrokes is that compared to IE? Time is a key factor in A browsing, and I'm wasting it whenever I need to access bookmarks in A Opera. O 2 times less if there no other bookmark nicknames starting with this O letter. If. O If you don't know a product you shouldn't write so big letters blaming O it things it is not guilty. I apologize if it offended you or others. Besides berating, I also praised Opera as the currently best browser; thanks for teaching me new tricks about it. To return to this thread's subject heading, what's more offensive than my partially misstated objections to Opera's handling of bookmarks is the fact that a web browser, in a Version 5.0, dares to call itself "The Best Browsing Experience That There Ever Was" while failing to display the national characters used by the eastern half of the European continent. Perhaps Opera should advertise itself, "The Best Browsing Experience That There Ever Was For Western Europeans Who Never Bothered to Learn an Eastern European Language". That would be less succinct but at least free from hypocrisy. -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.net [flying with The Bat! 1.48f under Windows 98 4.10 Build A amd k6-2 500 mhz processor with 128 mb ram] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Unicode TB!'s Browser
Hi Avenarius, On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 20:53:04 +0100GMT (27/12/2000, 03:53 +0800GMT), Avenarius wrote: A Perhaps Opera should advertise itself, A "The Best Browsing Experience That There Ever Was For Western A Europeans Who Never Bothered to Learn an Eastern European Language". LOL! And right you are. I was following this thread to see whether it comes back to TB, but it doesn't seem to. Oh well. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Unicode TB!'s Browser
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Wednesday, December 27, 2000, Thomas Fernandez wrote to Avenarius on TBUDL about Unicode TB!'s Browser: A Perhaps Opera should advertise itself, A "The Best Browsing Experience That There Ever Was For Western A Europeans Who Never Bothered to Learn an Eastern European Language". TF LOL! And right you are. Isn't Russian an Eastern European Language? Still Opera is the best browser experience for me. TF I was following this thread to see whether it comes back to TB, but it TF doesn't seem to. Oh well. Didn't you mention that Avenarius address his messages to Opera Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] while TBUDL only CC addressee? I think that this thread here only appeared by mistake. -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.48f under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Unicode TB!'s Browser
Hi Oleg, On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:51:00 +0400GMT (27/12/2000, 14:51 +0800GMT), OK3 wrote: O Isn't Russian an Eastern European Language? Still Opera is the best O browser experience for me. Sure is, but then, he could have made a list of the languages he means, which includes his. You know what he means, so. ;-) O Didn't you mention that Avenarius address his messages to Opera Users O [EMAIL PROTECTED] while TBUDL only CC addressee? I think that O this thread here only appeared by mistake. Yeah, you're right, I agree. Maybe TBUDL will not be copied in any more now, as this thread is no longer related to TB. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[5]: Unicode TB!'s Browser
Thanks for the suggestions, David and Oleg, but the point seems to be: in Internet Explorer you need to press ALT A initial letter for a bookmark or bookmarks folder initial letter for a bookmark and the desired page opens: that's 3 or (maximum) 4 keystrokes. In Opera you need to press F8 [to access the data field to type into] a few letters to distinguish your bookmark / bookmarks folder F2 (or Shift+F2) [to start loading the page] How many keystrokes is that compared to IE? Time is a key factor in browsing, and I'm wasting it whenever I need to access bookmarks in Opera. Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.net [flying with The Bat! 1.48f under Windows 98 4.10 Build A amd k6-2 500 mhz processor with 128 mb ram] A Bat-fellow, Oleg Zalyalov, wrote on Tuesday, December 26, 2000 at 10:04:36 (GMT +0400), which was 7:04 a.m. in Bratislava -- O Hello, the Bat! list recipients, O Tuesday, December 26, 2000, David Pascoe wrote to Avenarius about O [Opera-users] Re:Unicode TB!'s Browser: A Another awkward thing in Opera is its handling of bookmarks. I dislike A Internet Explorer, but it's great that once you press ALT+A (A for A Favourites) on the keyboard in Internet Explorer and then the first A letter of a bookmark's title, the bookmarked page immediately opens in A the browser window. DP going way OT here ... have you tried the nickname feature of a hotlist DP entry. I have assigned nicknames like `weather', and do a F2 and type DP weather and voila, that hotlist entry opens. O Yes, going, but not F2 but Shift-F2, loading starting when you type in O enough to distinct bookmark. And did you try to assgin a nickname to O bookmark folder? -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Unicode (was: Re: Digest (09/29/2000 04:51) Special Issue (#2000-368))
Hallo Ming-Li, On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 10:06:14 -0700 GMT (01/10/2000, 01:06 +0800 GMT), Ming-Li wrote: ML Thanks for the quote. Then how about viewing? It's not of particular ML importance to me, since I haven't received anything in such ML encodings. The possibility of reading/writing in Unicode always ML intrigue me, nevertheless. Didn't work in the beta on my box, maybe because Chinese was interfering, maybe because I didn't have the XLAT table. Anyway, it is disabled in the current versions. I hope they'll go back too exploring this. I think that Unicode is the future, and tracer said that in W2K, it's there as a standard. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Unicode (was: Re: Digest (09/29/2000 04:51) Special Issue (#2000-368))
On Saturday, September 30, 2000, 11:13:33 AM, Thomas wrote: I think that Unicode is the future, Agreed. and tracer said that in W2K, it's there as a standard. At least back to NT4, Unicode has been the internal system code, same with Office 97 (at least) and up. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/5 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
