[tw5] Re: tag icons stays lower than tag name

[Mohammad]

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 10:20:44 PM UTC+4:30, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> For me that seems to be a problem with the icons you use. 
>
> In TW SVGs should start like this: 
>
>  viewBox="0 0 128 128">
>
> That works well. If you use different widht, height, and especially a 
> different viewbox you'll probably have problems. ... 
>
> -m
>

Thank you! I did not change anything else!
By the modification I made in vertical-alignment it works now! 

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Re: [tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 6:07:55 PM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>
>
> 1) Unless I am mistaken, this doesn't improve that much on using the new 
> here button with the table of contents. You just title the child tiddler 
> before creating, whereas with the new here button you do the same in the 
> opposite order. It is slightly easier to grasp for newbies, though.
>

If it's working correctly, when you make the new tiddler it should appear 
inside the TOC "tree". If it's appearing outside the tree then you are 
probably using a slightly older version of TW. With this mechanism, you 
could quickly make the outline of whatever text you are preparing, drilling 
down layer by layer.
 

> 2) I don't think this will scale in TiddlyWiki like it does in Dynalist or 
> Workflowy.
>

I think many people would be able to get along with a couple thousand 
entries, and I expect it to scale to that.

 

> 3) The children are not present when opening the tiddler the way child 
> notes are visible when zooming in to a node in Dynalist and Workflowy.
>

Guess I'd have to take another look at WF and DYN.
 

> 4) What makes Dynalist and Workflowy so appealing is that every paragraph 
> of text is a separate node that can be reordered. And you can zoom into any 
> level of the outline to focus on that level.
>

Opening and closing the branches of the tree, you can get some level of 
granularity and focus. Obviously one guy working a few hours on a project 
can't do as much as entire teams of programmers. I'm sort of thinking it 
might inspire someone to take it to the next level.
 

> I don't write this to be nitpicky or negative. I just don't want to see 
> you wasting your time trying to make TiddlyWiki into an outliner. I don't 
> see that it could compete, but then Dynalist and Worklowy can't compete 
> with TiddlyWiki in many areas.
>

Let me try Diego Mesa's argument on you:

...if you buy into the TW philosophy that its your external brain - that 
>> you place all information that is somewhat important to you into TW - it 
>> only makes sense that it would have some mechanism to help you remember 
>> certain key pieces. 
>>
>
For me, Dynalist and WF are no-goes because they can't work offline. OK, I 
guess DL has a windows app, but it's kind of nice to get away from app's. 
Their Android apps unfortunately do not work on my aging mobile devices. I 
think images are important, and neither work with images without adding 
money.

Overall though, this was just an experiment. I probably won't take it 
further unless some interest is expressed. Meanwhile I'll be looking with 
interest at what zemoxian, JD and the others come up with.

Thanks!
Mark

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[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

[Mat]

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 8:46:04 AM UTC+2, Jel wrote:
>
> I'll expand on this from general principles, in fact.
> To make an operation work, management theory somewhat flippantly looks at 
> bringing a set of Ms together in a harmonious balance, inputs which produce 
> output. Men, Money, Machines, Materials, Methods, Marketing, Motivation, 
> Madness - the list goes on and on. Marketing's in there, for sure, but it 
> doesn't rule the roost as the MadMen would like. You use machines, tools, 
> to turn materials into product. The basic lifecycle is start>loop (Inputs, 
> Output, Storage)>end. Storage included things like all forms of asset, ie 
> bank balances, stock, you name it. It balances Output-Input, ie growth. 
> Marketing simply targets one part of the output, it isn't the output, nor 
> is it anything else, oither than a cost reducing the bank balances in hand.
> Never ever mix input and output up. That's a con-job, and illegal, it was 
> seen off in the early 1970s.
> Does TW need marketing? Not in the way you propose. Perhaps some of TW's 
> tools which focus on the specific sub-classes of what TW produces (the 
> ideas you list may do, but the most TW needs in the way of marketing is to 
> maintain presence. Your sub-instantiation shows you neither understand the 
> product, nor have the experience to correct your understanding yourself. 
> You should have asked WHY it doesn't do what you want. That would have 
> taught you something about yourself, that you have to put effort in to get 
> what you need. Instead, you want to take over the world so you don't have 
> to. Cruise missiles have just visited one of the more notable protagonists 
> of that argument. Let me in conclusion offer you another managemnt truism: 
> just as there's a triangle in physics, Speed=Distance/Time, so there is in 
> marketing, Speed=Cost/Beauty. If you want instant gratification, then it'll 
> cost you. As the Syrians have just discovered: I hope they feel it was 
> worth it.
> So how do you translate your marketing aspiration to your personal goal? 
> If the wheels aren't out there already, you do what the rest of us did, you 
> build one, or make a better one. And that doesn't mean sitting there hoping 
> someone will do it for you, it means rolling up your sleeves and learning 
> how to make something better, the message being that God helps those who 
> help themselves. Or in a more secular society, there ain't no such thing as 
> a free lunch.
> So as a final thought, here is a Round Tuit 
> .
>  
> Make the most of it.  
>

LOL!

...either what you say is true.
Or you've simply misunderstood what it is "I want" (probably from not 
reading my posts properly).

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

[Mat]

Jel, thanks for making me smile. 

If I felt the nature of TW was threatened, I'd react in the same way. But 
"marketing" TW - at least what I mean with it - simply means to put the 
product "out there" so that more people can use it and engage in its 
development. In fact,  
we need 
people here. Your contributions to TW, made even before TW existed, are 
clearly exceptional but the rest of us had to *find out* about TW in order 
to use and contribute to it today. We can have our little Mona Lisa hidden 
in our little closet or we can at least attempt to make it known to the 
world so more people can enjoy it. It is not *either* a beautiful product *or 
*a product that many people like - it is both.

if you're so brilliant in your omniscient knowledge, go play in your own 
> sandpit and produce something better. Tiddlywiki succeeds precisely BECAUSE 
> it isn't specific:to a need.


Yes! In my omniscient brilliance I am looking for exactly that; that we 
create specialized 'sandpits' and we make these easily found ("we market 
them"). That way, people have a chance to get to know about (real) TW which 
they probably would not do otherwise.

Now Jel, I'm REALLY curious what your ideas are for how we should get more 
people to use TW and to contribute to its development? Clearly, just having 
a "great product" is not enough in this time of information overflow. As 
you can tell, I'm not a professional marketer nor a competent coder, nor do 
I have as much experience as you do. So, please share your actual ideas how 
to make more people come to join the TW project. Or, better yet, don't jus 
hare ideas but help out with implementig them!

<:-)

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[tw5] [TW5] TiddlyWiki On Office 365/SharePoint Collaboration

[TonyM]

Folks,

As an IT Professional I have migrated, configured and Built SharePoint and 
Office 365 platforms for Businesses. Most of you will know how committed I 
am to TiddlyWiki,

Office 365 is an excellent cloud based hosting environment and I believe if 
TiddlyWiki was integrated it would be a great opportunity to implement 
TiddlyWiki in a business environment, and may provide a profitable return.


   - I would like to integrate TiddlyWiki if possible and have recently 
   uncovered some key pieces of understanding.
   - One of these is renaming tiddlywiki.html files to tiddlywiki.aspx to 
   open them within Office 365 Online.
   - Office 365 can serve files via webdav, out of libraries and other 
   methods but I would be keen to get it to save back to the SharePoint 
   library.
   - I am looking for collaborators who have TiddlyWiki Saver knowledge., 
   Microsoft aspx or  perhaps with SharePoint Coding experience.

Please Let me know here or at anthony.muscio at the domain psat.com.au if 
you are interested. Or share any knowledge you have relating to this.

Regards
Tony

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Re: [tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

[David Gifford]

Hi Mark

Sorry to be the sourpuss on this one.

1) Unless I am mistaken, this doesn't improve that much on using the new
here button with the table of contents. You just title the child tiddler
before creating, whereas with the new here button you do the same in the
opposite order. It is slightly easier to grasp for newbies, though.
2) I don't think this will scale in TiddlyWiki like it does in Dynalist or
Workflowy.
3) The children are not present when opening the tiddler the way child
notes are visible when zooming in to a node in Dynalist and Workflowy.
4) What makes Dynalist and Workflowy so appealing is that every paragraph
of text is a separate node that can be reordered. And you can zoom into any
level of the outline to focus on that level.

I don't write this to be nitpicky or negative. I just don't want to see you
wasting your time trying to make TiddlyWiki into an outliner. I don't see
that it could compete, but then Dynalist and Worklowy can't compete with
TiddlyWiki in many areas.

I am a fan of both TiddlyWiki and Dynalist, and tend to use both daily. I
tend to write notes and organize my thoughts and tasks in Dynalist, and use
TiddlyWiki for indexing and the creation of static htmls for web publishing.

BTW, while the Dynalist Pro version is a little pricey, as some have noted,
the free version is pretty generous (whereas Workflowy is stingy) and
Dynalist contains most of the features most people would want, unless they
are working with images and attachments.

David Gifford
Mexico team leader, Mexico City

*Resonate Global Mission*
*Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
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On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 7:42 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I should probably post this in a separate thread, "TW-Flowy"
>
> This version works mostly. Create a global macro tiddler and insert:
>
> \define tagascurrent() [[$(currentTiddler)$]]
> \define draft() Draft of '$(currentTiddler)$'
> \define draftcreated() Draft of '$(currentTiddler)$'!!created
> \define drafttrans() {{Draft of '$(currentTiddler)$'||$:/core/ui/
> EditTemplate}}
> \define toc-tabbed-external-nav2(tag,sort:"",selectedTiddler:"$:/
> temp/toc/selectedTiddler",unselectedText,missingText,template:"")
> <$tiddler tiddler={{$selectedTiddler$}}>
> 
> <$linkcatcher to="$selectedTiddler$">
> 
> <$macrocall $name="toc-selective-expandable" tag="""$tag$""" sort=
> """$sort$""" itemClassFilter=< selectedTiddler:"""$selectedTiddler$""">>/>
> 
> 
> 
> <$reveal state="""$selectedTiddler$""" type="nomatch" text="">
> <$navigator story="story" history="history" openLinkFromInsideRiver="top">
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]]" >
> <$reveal state=<> type="nomatch" text="">
> <>
> 
> <$reveal state=<> type="match" text="">
> {{||$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate}}
> <$button>
> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle={{$:/newitem}} tags=<>
> $savetitle="""$selectedTiddler$""" />
> New child<$edit-text tiddler="$:/newitem" tag="input"
> size="30" default="Child name here" placeholder="Child name here"/>
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
> <$reveal state="""$selectedTiddler$""" type="match" text="">
> $unselectedText$
> 
> 
> 
> 
> \end
>
> Then invoke, for instance if your top tag was "Root":
>
> <$macrocall
> $name="toc-tabbed-external-nav2"
> tag="Root"
> selectedTiddler="$:/temp/toc/selectedTiddler"
> unselectedText="Select a topic in the table of contents. Click the
> arrow to expand a topic."
> missingText="Missing tiddler."
> template="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate"
> />
>
> Note that it is called "toc-tabbed-external-nav*2*". Below is an example
> of it in action.
>
> There are anomalies. I haven't worked out the CSS, so you'll probably need
> to have your TW in full-column mode. You need to use the button and field
> at the bottom of each item rather than the "New Here" button. Changing the
> tiddler name will cause you to lose your place in the tree structure.
>
> This requires latest version of TW (actually, might be able to get away
> with 5.1.14, not sure) As always, be sure to have your TW backed up before
> trying this.
>
> Have fun,
> Mark
>
>
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[tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I should probably post this in a separate thread, "TW-Flowy"

This version works mostly. Create a global macro tiddler and insert:

\define tagascurrent() [[$(currentTiddler)$]]
\define draft() Draft of '$(currentTiddler)$'
\define draftcreated() Draft of '$(currentTiddler)$'!!created
\define drafttrans() {{Draft of '$(currentTiddler)$'||$:/core/ui/
EditTemplate}}
\define toc-tabbed-external-nav2(tag,sort:"",selectedTiddler:
"$:/temp/toc/selectedTiddler",unselectedText,missingText,template:"")
<$tiddler tiddler={{$selectedTiddler$}}>

<$linkcatcher to="$selectedTiddler$">

<$macrocall $name="toc-selective-expandable" tag="""$tag$""" sort=
"""$sort$""" itemClassFilter=<>/>



<$reveal state="""$selectedTiddler$""" type="nomatch" text="">
<$navigator story="story" history="history" openLinkFromInsideRiver="top">

<$list filter="[all[current]]" >
<$reveal state=<> type="nomatch" text="">
<>

<$reveal state=<> type="match" text="">
{{||$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate}}
<$button>
<$action-createtiddler $basetitle={{$:/newitem}} tags=<> 
$savetitle="""$selectedTiddler$""" />
New child <$edit-text tiddler="$:/newitem" tag="input" size="
30" default="Child name here" placeholder="Child name here"/>





<$reveal state="""$selectedTiddler$""" type="match" text="">
$unselectedText$




\end

Then invoke, for instance if your top tag was "Root":

<$macrocall
$name="toc-tabbed-external-nav2"
tag="Root"
selectedTiddler="$:/temp/toc/selectedTiddler"
unselectedText="Select a topic in the table of contents. Click the 
arrow to expand a topic."
missingText="Missing tiddler."
template="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate"
/>

Note that it is called "toc-tabbed-external-nav*2*". Below is an example of 
it in action.

There are anomalies. I haven't worked out the CSS, so you'll probably need 
to have your TW in full-column mode. You need to use the button and field 
at the bottom of each item rather than the "New Here" button. Changing the 
tiddler name will cause you to lose your place in the tree structure.

This requires latest version of TW (actually, might be able to get away 
with 5.1.14, not sure) As always, be sure to have your TW backed up before 
trying this.

Have fun,
Mark



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[tw5] Re: Create new tiddler from template fill title an jump to text field

[Stephan Hradek]

I do not fully understand your exampl.

Can you give full tiddlers so that we can recreate and test it on 
tiddlywiki.com?

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[tw5] Re: Transclusion in Markdown

[Martin Hähnel]

That's a pitty. But thanks anyways!

Am Samstag, 14. April 2018 18:43:28 UTC+2 schrieb Jed Carty:
>
> I believe that it would be very difficult to change this. Mixing the 
> different parser types may require rewriting both parsers.
>

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[tw5] Re: tag icons stays lower than tag name

[PMario]

Hi,

For me that seems to be a problem with the icons you use. 

In TW SVGs should start like this: 



That works well. If you use different widht, height, and especially a 
different viewbox you'll probably have problems. ... 

-m

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[tw5] Re: Transclusion in Markdown

[Jed Carty]

I believe that it would be very difficult to change this. Mixing the 
different parser types may require rewriting both parsers.

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[tw5] transclusion in html vs embedding

[Paul Netsaver]

Hi,
I'm trying to use TW5 as CMS with html parser.
I appreciate the capability to marge pure html, markdown and latex by 
mixing different types of content via transclusion.
Also this allow to reuse content (images, formulas) among different 
tiddlers.
The problems come when I try not to use wiki syntax and to rely on html 
syntax only.
If a try to embed a tiddler content (e.g. with object syntax), into another 
one (sort of html transclusion, by using the tiddler #name as anchor 
reference) I'm able to embed the whole tiddler only, together with all menu 
stuff, etc. No way to isolate the content.
If I try to tag the content (or even a tiddler section, e.g. a specific 
formula, without demonstration) by a div#id wrapper, then this is not 
visibile to other tiddlers... so I cannot recall a specific id from outside 
a tiddler, at least this is what seems to me.
Certainly I could use wiki parser and transclusion, but this would be not 
reusable if I would decide to export material outside TW5.
Moreover, by using html extension I'm able to enjoy codemirror facilities 
on the code, while in vnd.tiddlywiki extension (or none) codemirror does 
not recognize html code.
At this point I would think that three ways are possible:
1) use only TW wiki syntax - no code reuse after TW html export.
2) use html in TW syntax - partial code reuse (transclusion instead of 
object embedding), no codemirror facilities
3) use text/html syntax - code reuse, codemirror active, but neither 
transclusion nor object embedding

The last solution would be preferable to me, anyway the embedding problem 
extends also to links, because I'm not able to create intra-tiddler or 
inter-tiddler links, due to the fact that any id-tagged block cannot be 
used as target of a html link, as the # usage for tiddler referencing 
supersedes its html usage.

I'm not a TW expert, maybe I'm missing a lot of solutions, so any 
suggestion for using html inside TW5 as much as possible is welcome!

thanks and regards,
Netsaver
Rome, IT

  


 


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[tw5] Re: tag icons stays lower than tag name

[Mohammad]

For your information the TW is tried on
 - Windows 10
 - TiddlyDesktop 0.13 (also examined in Chrome 56)


If I change the CSS as bellow:

.tc-tag-label svg, .tc-tag-label img{
vertical-align:middle;  /* text-bottom */
}



 What do you think?

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 4:55:21 PM UTC+4:30, Mohammad wrote:
>
> @PMario
>
>  The followimg is a snapshot from TW 5.1.15. I also updated to 
> 5.1.16prerelease, the issue not resolved!
> I don't use any special plugins (I have only katex, highlight.js)
>
> See below screenshot.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 4:01:52 PM UTC+4:30, PMario wrote:
>>
>> Hi, 
>>
>> I don't see a problem: 
>>
>>
>>
>> -m
>>
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[tw5] Re: Transclusion in Markdown

[Martin Hähnel]

I see. Where would one go to request such a feature? Would it be hard to 
change this?

Am Samstag, 14. April 2018 17:34:46 UTC+2 schrieb Jed Carty:
>
> TiddlyWiki syntax won't work in a markdown tiddler because it doesn't use 
> the tiddlywiki parser. So I don't think it is possible to use transclusions 
> in a markdown tiddler.
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[tw5] Re: Transclusion in Markdown

[Jed Carty]

TiddlyWiki syntax won't work in a markdown tiddler because it doesn't use 
the tiddlywiki parser. So I don't think it is possible to use transclusions 
in a markdown tiddler.

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Re: [tw5] Transclusion in Markdown

[David A. Gershman]

Are you sure the "MyTiddler" case and syntax is correct?  I just ran a
test on my 5.1.5 and it worked fine under Linux/FF.  Also, which browser
are you using?  I only have Sierra, not High Sierra, but can test on it
w/FF or Safari if you'd like.

On 04/14/2018 05:26 AM, Martin Hähnel wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I'm not sure if this is even the right expression for it, but:
>
> As far as I can see it's not possible to include another tiddler into
> a markdown tiddler via the transclusion syntax: 
> |
> {{MyTiddler}}
> |
>
> Is this correct or am I missing something?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> -Martin
>
> P.S.: Not sure if this is needed, but: TW single file version 5.1.15,
> on macOS 10.13.4 (High Sierra)
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[tw5] Re: How to add a tag to a tiddler via a SelectWidget?

[LDL]

Thank you Jed,
doing it in two steps is fine for my purposes and works as expected, but 
I'll explore also your widgets.

Best wishes,
Lorenzo

Il giorno sabato 14 aprile 2018 14:40:20 UTC+2, Jed Carty ha scritto:
>
> I have worked on this a bit before but I don't think I ever got a good 
> solution. Doing it in two steps works but it isn't quite as nice to use.
>
> The widgets I made are available here, but I haven't tested them a lot.
>
> https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/InvokingActions/
>
>
> if you want to do two steps it is like this (select the tag from the 
> select and then click the button to add it):
>
> <$select  tiddler='$:/temp/AddTag/tags' field='text'>
> <$list filter='[tag[prj]]'>
> <$view field='title'/>
> 
> <$fieldmangler> <$button>Add tag<$action-sendmessage 
> $message='tm-add-tag' 
> $param={{$:/temp/AddTag/tags}}/>
>
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Re: [tw5] D3.js for knowledge mapping: how to automatize any tiddler update on the graph ?

[Jan]

Hi Silverfox, I have seen you have not included the tiny select trick to 
archpelago yet.
It was of course meant to be integrated, if the questionmark is about 
whether this is allowed.

Jan



Am 13.04.2018 um 07:07 schrieb Silverfox:

@Jan

Thank you it's great, I will integrate it? No  click after changing 
the selector is great

but it does not solves what I wanted (sorry if I was not clear)

All,

If a add or remove a tiddler, or if I update the colored status of one 
tiddler I would like the graph to be immediately updated without 
having to click on the button...
in other words how to automatize the generation of csv file from a 
Wikitext macro ?



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[tw5] Re: Care to beta test Tekkan One?

[Riz]

My general advice would be not to use it, it is an abandoned project. 

Standalone version creates its own titles using unique ID macro. That is 
why it is incompatible with the imported Tiddlers. 

On Saturday, 14 April 2018 10:51:50 UTC+5:30, MrsJB Wells wrote:
>
> Thanks so much for the quick reply. I've been using GSD5 for years and 
> decided on a change. I want to import all the open actions from GSD5 to the 
> Tekan One but when I do they don't appear anywhere on the board. That's why 
> I was going to try and go into the back and sort it out. I've read all 
> notes that can be found [if you google various versions of Tekan TW5] but 
> can't seem to find a way. Would you have any advice on how I could import 
> the tiddlers?
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[tw5] Re: How to add a tag to a tiddler via a SelectWidget?

[Jed Carty]

I have worked on this a bit before but I don't think I ever got a good 
solution. Doing it in two steps works but it isn't quite as nice to use.

The widgets I made are available here, but I haven't tested them a lot.

https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/InvokingActions/


if you want to do two steps it is like this (select the tag from the select 
and then click the button to add it):

<$select  tiddler='$:/temp/AddTag/tags' field='text'>
<$list filter='[tag[prj]]'>
<$view field='title'/>

<$fieldmangler> <$button>Add tag<$action-sendmessage 
$message='tm-add-tag' 
$param={{$:/temp/AddTag/tags}}/>

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[tw5] Transclusion in Markdown

[Martin Hähnel]

Hey everyone,

I'm not sure if this is even the right expression for it, but:

As far as I can see it's not possible to include another tiddler into a 
markdown tiddler via the transclusion syntax: 
{{MyTiddler}}

Is this correct or am I missing something?

Thanks in advance for your help.

-Martin

P.S.: Not sure if this is needed, but: TW single file version 5.1.15, on 
macOS 10.13.4 (High Sierra)

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[tw5] Re: tag icons stays lower than tag name

[Mohammad]

@PMario

 The followimg is a snapshot from TW 5.1.15. I also updated to 
5.1.16prerelease, the issue not resolved!
I don't use any special plugins (I have only katex, highlight.js)

See below screenshot.





On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 4:01:52 PM UTC+4:30, PMario wrote:
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> Hi, 
>
> I don't see a problem: 
>
>
>
> -m
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[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

[TonyM]

Jel,

I feel I have to respond to this, because it is somewhat harsh and projects 
onto members of this community things from elsewhere we are not responsible 
for.

We get tiddlywiki, and we want to share it with others, we know from 
experience there are many different ways people come to know what 
tiddlywiki is and that even once discovered it takes time to understand its 
many capabilities and possibilities.

All we want to do is spread the word and if the word marketing offends you, 
well sorry, but none of us felt it politically incorrect to use it.

We share the same passion for tiddlywiki written in your words by you, and 
many of us may share your contempt of hollow commercial marketeers that 
dumb down the most beautiful and complex things we love. 

I am simply not sure you should be projecting your disquiet about the world 
on to people you clearly do not seem to know. At least not well enough to 
risk insult, people who I would expect to be your friends.

I for one are building tools and plugins, and expect they will "promote" 
tiddlywiki, and perhaps even attract other passionate community members, as 
the plugins, adaptions, editions and solutions before me.

Perhaps the use of a fictitious straw-man would have being a good literary 
device. 

Regards
Tony 

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 3:43:15 PM UTC+10, Jel wrote:
>
>
> NO! Tiddlywiki is a tool, not a con. Sorry, marketeers, this tool is as 
> attractive as a lathe - and lathes can be very attractive to someone who 
> knows and appreciates their features and facilities. If you know how to use 
> a lathe, you can make something, or a tool to make something, which *is* 
> defined by a market need, the same here. But the market does NOT define the 
> tool. So clear off, marketing men, stop trying to take *everything* over 
> with your variants in The Kings New Clothes:if you're so brilliant in your 
> omniscient knowledge, go play in your own sandpit and produce something 
> better. Tiddlywiki succeeds precisely BECAUSE it isn't specific:to a need. 
> If I have a need, to meet, it firstly needs specification, by examining 
> thoughts, squeezing here, expanding there, filtering and sorting sheep from 
> goats, until my ducks are in a row and a complex network of interacting 
> considerations can be reduced to a linear explanation "because A then B". 
> TW allows that kind of network, so we can twist it, push and pull it, until 
> what we have on the screen is a series of tiddlers which make sense. This 
> sorts out the messes you specialise in creating 
> , 
> because it cuts through the rhubarb and allows the design team to correct 
> its targetting. A lathe is something simple which can have specialist 
> features added as needed: it spins something so something else can shape 
> it. If I need a toolpost, I bolt it on. Equally so with TW: it is at heart 
> simply a heap of conceptual memes, how you sort them out and what you do 
> with them is entirely up to you, with what you bolt on by way of add-ins. 
> In a way, even the Tiddler-Journal split's an error, journals are simply 
> derivative Tiddlers.
> Effectively, what you're doing is getting the tail to wag the dog. In pure 
> logic terms, marketing drills down towards a specific definition of an 
> instance of something needed - and that is as far as it goes, TW goes the 
> other way, generalising so it can handle as much as possible. That's 
> precisely why it's useful, and exactly what you hate. Well, hate yourself, 
> because that's where the error lies. TW does NOT need branding, or a 
> makeover, or any of the fancy-pants add-ons which will turn it into 
> functional candy-floss in time. And yes, I am a TW Classic User because the 
> TW5 makeover threw some parts of the baby I need out with the bathwater: 
> what you should have done was tidy up the OO structure, sure, but at the 
> same time with the extensions needed to preserve TWC interfacing. It's 
> exactly what MS has to do with Windows, keep a compatibility-mode until 
> orphaned code is eventually upgraded to become compatible. Just like the 
> TW5 coders, MS failed to do in the early versions, they've learned the 
> lesson and preserve backwards compatibility now, and that's a lesson to 
> keep in mind for the future.
> I date so far back in computing my surname's at the centre of all code 
> (I'm Jeremy Main, and MAIN() came from a bad joke 50 years ago, 
> contributing to the design of one of the first compilers which Bell Labs 
> picked over when planning how to write C). The quid pro quo of working in 
> OpenSource is that your work too is OpenSource, so although you should be 
> the person who defines how your code mutates over time, if you abandon it, 
> as LEWCID did, then it reverts to community property and it's one of the 
> functions of the community steering group to take orphaned code in hand and 
> find it a new stepfather. That's 

[tw5] Re: tag icons stays lower than tag name

[PMario]

Hi, 

I don't see a problem: 



-m

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[tw5] How to add a tag to a tiddler via a SelectWidget?

[LDL]

Hello everyone,
I would like to add a tag to the current tiddler via a SelectWidget that 
offers a filtered list of tags/tiddlers.

The filter selects all the tiddlers tagged with "prj" and I would like the 
current tiddler to be tagged with the selected item (one of the tiddlers 
tagged with "prj")

The solution I've come up so far is the following:

<$select  field='tags'>
<$list filter='[tag[prj]]'>
<$view field='title'/>



My current problem with this solutions is that all the tags are removed and 
substituted with the one derived from the SelectWidget. I would like, 
instead, to retain all the existing tag and just add the selection from the 
SelectWidget to the tags.

Any idea on how to achieve the desired behavior?

Thanks,
Lorenzo

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[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

[BurningTreeC]

lol

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[tw5] tag icons stays lower than tag name

[Mohammad]

*TW*: 5.1.15
*Theme*: snow white

When an icon is added to a tag, the icon is added at the left of tag name, 
but its position is lower than the text! Is this an issue with theme?

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