date:20200213

David Gifford,

For example, the arrow next to 'Table of contents' doesn't do anything when 
> pressed. Nor do the two middle icons to the right of 'Filter by fields'.
>

The arrow next to context items "opens their context". By default (in the 
demo) the context of TableOfContents is open, so clicking on the arrow next 
to it will reopen its context, no change appears. How can this be 
clarified? Should the arrow not appear next to the last element of the 
history (ie, the one that is "opened")?
 

> At first I missed the link to the tutorial because it was right above the 
> video surrouned by bold text. There is a LOT of bold text, which is 
> "noisy". Maybe you could separate the link to the tutorial visually from 
> the rest so it stands out.
>

I agree, I'll fix it.
 

> I am not clear on what the following means: "This sidebar is hidden when 
> the focus is on the search entry to increase responsiveness - see Locator 
> view  for the 
> code." What sidebar are you referring to? 
>

The Locator sidebar itself, or more precisely its contents. I will clarify 
the text.
 

> Anyway, those are not criticisms, but meant to help.
>
 
I welcome constructive criticism. :)

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

HC Haase,

the TOC counting l plugin adds a counter to the $:/core/macros/toc macro.
>

As I understand it, this plugin overwrites the ToC macro - the Locator does 
not use it at all, so overwriting it does not affect my plugin. 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

HC Haase,

At some point, maybe we should make an effort to combine different plugins 
> / find duplicates / consider if some plugin features could be included in 
> the core??
>

I'm afraid the core is very conservative. But it's laudable - if all the 
sudden ideas were put in, it could easily collapse in a few years. I can 
fully understand Jeremy doing so and appreciate him!

However, combining plugins is worth considering. Other open source projects 
have a lot of development collaboration, but I miss this (common coding) in 
TiddlyWiki.

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

HC Haase,

The video helps a lot. Thanks for taking the time to make it.
>

It seems like I should focus on the videos instead of the hard-to-read 
texts, because everyone understands that. :D 

>
>- colors. if you use a bit darker themes the text is hard to read some 
>palces ( see screenshot). if you (and every plugin) could choose colors 
>that follows the theme (like primary, links etc) instad of hardcoding the 
>colors, it would be great.
>
>  Occasionally it uses the colors of the theme. :) Try changing the palette 
in the demo: "Filter by fields" uses the same color as the page subtitle 
(just the sidebar's default text color).

>
>-  maybe I did something wrong but I get a limitd search result in 
>locator. how come (see screenshot)? 
>
> o_O Woah... I haven't seen such a case yet. What's interesting is that the 
counter in the Locator shows more elements than it displays. Is there 
anything special about these tiddlers? Do they have a caption field, these 
are system tiddlers?

>
>- context settings/show fields/transclusion etc. is not that usefull 
>if you have a narrow sidebar. maybe you could make a button to pup out the 
>view in a tiddler in the story river or something
>
> As many of you have indicated this, I have to find a solution. 

>
>- you write you can use it to "*Create mindmaps". *That sound exiting 
>but  I dont realy understand how. could you maybe give sime examples?
>
>  Doesn't this description tell you properly? (no offense, just hard to 
express myself in english) If it's not clear how can I improve it? 
https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/#TiddlyMap%20Activities%20example

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

Mohammad,

This is not crucial but may be interesting
>
>- you clicked on an entry, it gets highlighted in the TOC
>- then you clicked a link in the open tiddler which navigate to an 
>item it is again an entry in the TOC
>- do you think it worth TOC smartly scroll to that item?
>- please keep simplicity the first priority
>
> I'll see if it's feasible, but if the ToC is so long that it's not visible 
on one screen, you might need to split it into several sections 
(drag-n-drop works in Locator). But I understand the essence of the need 
and try to fulfill it. 

>
>- a button to expand all
>- a button to close all
>
>  I do not understand. Do you imagine, as in classic ToC, that you open all 
branches at once? The Locator only shows a single level of a single branch 
because it practically works like a ListWidget.

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

Mohammad,

One minor comment: how can I filter tiddlers have responder as Mrxsal OR
> bimlas
>

Sorry, but I just noticed this message.

There is no "OR" connection and although I feel its lack, this would
complicate the interface: probably I would have to put a drop down menu
where we can select the type of connection ("AND", "OR"). It could be
solved by using Shift + click as an "OR" connection, but that wouldn't work
on the phone, so I'm not thinking about it.

In another thread once I said it's not a good idea to do a graphical filter
builder (although I did) because Locator is good for finding fixed values,
for example, but if I want to filter by date ranges, I have to add new
input fields (start and end dates). If I were to look for what I changed in
February of any year, it would require a different input field (month
selector). So basic filtering can be done graphically, but the more complex
the filtering we want to perform, the harder it will be to create the right
interface.

I am afraid that the plugin can only perform simple filtering, more complex
conditions can be added in AdvancedSearch.

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[tw5] Re: My RPG Tiddlywiki

Great wiki!
Thank you for sharing!

Some small note
The contrast for my eyes is not suitable as I can read the text on the 
colored background hard! Needs to adjust the contrast or use readable color.

Regarding the tables, are all these created manually? for example: 
http://morgensharn.tiddlyspot.com/#Eriel%20-%20Armor%20Weight

I may recommend using dynamic tables. There few around now

Why the TW version is 5.1.15? I may recommend to use 5.1.21

Thank you

On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 3:46:41 AM UTC+3:30, Morgaine O'Herne wrote:
>
> Look what I did!
>
> http://morgensharn.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 3:10:14 PM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> HC Haase,
>
> I'll answer everything later.
>
> *Everybody,*
>
> Many of you wrote that you had to get used to the plugin before you could 
> really use it. What was it that made it unusual? Which operation was 
> difficult to understand? I wish I could make the plugin clearer, but I 
> can't see what's wrong with it because I can't look at it completely 
> objectively. I would appreciate any ideas that make it easy to use.
>
> Thanks for all the comments!
>

One of the complexity comes from the concept. As a usual user, I work with 
tags and fields differently. I got used to tags to categorize things. 
Locator says there is no difference between tags and other fields, while 
this is correct, when I work with Locator I still stuck with what I learnt 
from vanilla TW.

The other comes from logic, the example of Henry Ford family tree makes 
logic a bit clear! NOTE that your plugin itself is not that ambiguous, this 
is the logic and understanding it makes locator difficult to use plugin!

I recommend to start with small simple examples. (You added already a quick 
start part) and each feature taught through several examples. For now I 
partially mastered how use Fields in TW-Scripts and I found it quite 
powerful.

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

bimlas,
 Yep, it works great! I love it
 Now this make TW linear, when one likes read a long text from table of 
contents like a novel with many chapters.

This is not crucial but may be interesting

   - you clicked on an entry, it gets highlighted in the TOC
   - then you clicked a link in the open tiddler which navigate to an item 
   it is again an entry in the TOC
   - do you think it worth TOC smartly scroll to that item?
   - please keep simplicity the first priority


Another small goodies

   - a button to expand all
   - a button to close all

--Mohammad



On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 1:03:46 AM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>  
>
>> One comment is when you click a title (entry) from TOC it get highlighted 
>> so in reading long text one can find where he/she has started and continue.
>>
>
> I think I've realized your idea, please check if you thought so.
>
> I've attached the JSON plugin, DEVELOPER VERSION, DO NOT USE IN REAL WIKI, 
> etc.
>

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[tw5] Re: Query -- Changing creation date in a human actionable way? -- #creationDate

2020-02-13 Thread Eric Shulman

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 4:30:49 PM UTC-8, springer wrote:
>
> If I happen to create a tiddler in TW5 while timestamps are off, the 
> tiddler ends up without a create date. Once I've created it, it seems TW5 
> won't even back-fill the create date to coincide with the first recognized 
> modification date (once timestamps are back on). So the only way I've found 
> to give it a create date is to clone it and delete the original. That works 
> fine if I realize right away, but gives misleading results if I catch it 
> significantly later.
>
I do see these reasons not to make these fields easily modifiable (as they 
> were in TWC), but then there ought to be more options...  


Here's a little trick to changing the "created" date on an existing tiddler:

1) edit the desired tiddler
2) in the "add a new field" controls, enter "created" in the "field name" 
input (even though the field already exists!)
3) in the corresponding "field value" input, enter the desired date using 
format "MMDDhhmmssxxx" (i.e., a 17 digit number)

notes:
* if you are only concerned with the date (but not the time), you can enter 
a value using "MMDD" and the remaining digits will default to zeros.
* the date number uses UTC time zone, not the local time zone.

enjoy,
-e








>
> Perhaps someone can easily tweak the timestamps toggle so that it affects 
> modification timestamps but not creation timestamps? 
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 1:40:17 PM UTC-4, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Mark S.
>>
>> That was my feeling. Better manipulate the inbuilt system as primary if 
>> it gives all you need. Seems lightweight and doable.
>>
>> The input side was what my question was about. To do it in a reliable 
>> way--because I see issues if you don't change the dates accurately.
>>
>> Thanks for affirming I'm not entirely mad on this!
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>> On Tuesday, 9 April 2019 18:48:41 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 9:25:38 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

 But IN PRINCIPAL never ever changing creation date seems a tad OTT.


 I agree. The creation date field takes up at least 27 characters of 
>>> space (JSON isn't a compact way of storing info). It makes sense to use it 
>>> however you need it to work, and having it match the actual day a journal 
>>> was created, for instance, makes sense. That said, creating that accurate 
>>> date stamp might be tricky. There was a recent post about using dates in 
>>> 2019-04-09 format, and I think it has all the code you would need to set up 
>>> your dates correctly.
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Query -- Changing creation date in a human actionable way? -- #creationDate

2020-02-13 Thread springer

Reviving an old thread about timestamps here: 

Sometimes I turn timestamps off, to keep the "Recents" tab useful for 
students -- so they can see what's actually substantively new, without 
getting distracted by minor edits. (In TWC, I liked the ability to close an 
individual tiddler's edit session using some extra modification keystroke, 
so that the save registers as "minor" and not worthy of updating the 
modified timestamp.)

If I happen to create a tiddler in TW5 while timestamps are off, the 
tiddler ends up without a create date. Once I've created it, it seems TW5 
won't even back-fill the create date to coincide with the first recognized 
modification date (once timestamps are back on). So the only way I've found 
to give it a create date is to clone it and delete the original. That works 
fine if I realize right away, but gives misleading results if I catch it 
significantly later.

I do see these reasons not to make these fields easily modifiable (as they 
were in TWC), but then there ought to be more options... 

Perhaps someone can easily tweak the timestamps toggle so that it affects 
modification timestamps but not creation timestamps? 

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 1:40:17 PM UTC-4, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Mark S.
>
> That was my feeling. Better manipulate the inbuilt system as primary if it 
> gives all you need. Seems lightweight and doable.
>
> The input side was what my question was about. To do it in a reliable 
> way--because I see issues if you don't change the dates accurately.
>
> Thanks for affirming I'm not entirely mad on this!
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Tuesday, 9 April 2019 18:48:41 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 9:25:38 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> But IN PRINCIPAL never ever changing creation date seems a tad OTT.
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree. The creation date field takes up at least 27 characters of 
>> space (JSON isn't a compact way of storing info). It makes sense to use it 
>> however you need it to work, and having it match the actual day a journal 
>> was created, for instance, makes sense. That said, creating that accurate 
>> date stamp might be tricky. There was a recent post about using dates in 
>> 2019-04-09 format, and I think it has all the code you would need to set up 
>> your dates correctly.
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>

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[tw5] My RPG Tiddlywiki

2020-02-13 Thread Morgaine O'Herne

Look what I did!

http://morgensharn.tiddlyspot.com/

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[tw5] Re: ListWidget Bug?

Mark S. wrote:
>
> That explains formatting. It doesn't explain why double line feeds use the 
> default template. I think that goes back to legacy.
>

There is some very old issue about formatting when transcluding, causing 
things to end up as inline when one wants block. (Maybe someone can phrase 
this better, I'm unsure how to describe it precisely). Is the double line 
feed not required for block to show - and, if I recall, Jeremy is not quite 
sure of why? (I quite possibly don't remember this correctly.)

<:-)

P.S ...why the hey is there a "1." at the bottom of my posts in this 
thread I can't delete it in the google groups editor!?

>
1. 

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[tw5] Re: And the winner is... Tiddlywiki

When you get to 25 minutes, he says MkDocs is best for their needs
for posting a public wiki. But MkDocs doesn't really seem like a wiki
or information management system to me. Kind of a different 
category altogether.

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 9:25:41 AM UTC-8, Dave wrote:
>
> https://pca.st/episode/7ae37a28-460a-4b8b-ac9f-d905f89a9d8d?t=1186
>
> A podcast called self hosted, this guy goes on a wiki binge and ends up 
> with TW5 :)
>

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[tw5] Re: ListWidget Bug?

That explains formatting. It doesn't explain why double line feeds use the 
default template. I think that goes back to legacy.

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 2:33:05 PM UTC-8, Mat wrote:
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> The reason double-space works is because  hmm ... legacy reasons, I 
>> think.
>>
>
> There's also a practical reason: No space outputs something styled as 
> "display:inline" whereas double space outputs "display:block". For example 
> no space would give output
>
> aaabbbccc
>
> and double space
>
> aaa
> bbb
> ccc
>
> <:-)
>
>>
>>>1. 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: ListWidget Bug?

Mark S. wrote:
>
> The reason double-space works is because  hmm ... legacy reasons, I 
> think.
>

There's also a practical reason: No space outputs something styled as 
"display:inline" whereas double space outputs "display:block". For example 
no space would give output

aaabbbccc

and double space

aaa
bbb
ccc

<:-)

>
>>1. 
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: TW5 : Get unique values from nested lists output

Mat,

This example, where by another method, I avoided the problem
 

> This is not the pattern I was thinking of but it does what the original 
> request wanted?
>
> I call these values the namespace
>
> <$list 
> filter="[all[shadows]removeprefix[$:/]splitbefore[/]removesuffix[/]]">
>
> 
>
> Or you could add prefix at the end $:/
>

You say

> I don't quite understand your description here but you do mention 
> "nesting" a lot. However, a main idea with my proposal is to avoid manually 
> nesting stuff by enabling a "flat" filter so you can directly use it in e.g 
> a single listwidget. We'd achieve the same output by nesting listwidgets - 
> in fact that is exactly what we currently do - so when you talk about 
> adding macros to it, I suspect that this would only be another optional but 
> also complex solution - n 


I understand your desire to reduce the need for nesting when it comes to 
the list widget and filters,  the thing is sometimes; 

   - nesting can be avoided altogether to get the same result as in my 
   example and
   - in other cases we move the nesting inside the filter (perhaps like 
   your proposal)
   - In my example I am talking about a macro that automatically handles 
   the nesting of multiple filters (in this case you provide a flat set of 
   filters)

Of course with support perhaps such a macro could become a new widget or 
the list widget extended.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: And the winner is... Tiddlywiki

Dave,

Thanks for sharing that, do you enjoy the podcast as a whole?

There are lessons to be learned from listening to this. 

   - For one I do think we should have a standard edition that is different 
   from empty containing the TOC and a few other things as I raised before.
   - I also think instructions for deployment and a preconfigured docker 
   container would be good (single file and Node versions)
   - He mentions the value of the alternate on top of github, I am 
   confident this could be achieved as well.

Thanks
Tony

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>
> https://pca.st/episode/7ae37a28-460a-4b8b-ac9f-d905f89a9d8d?t=1186
>
> A podcast called self hosted, this guy goes on a wiki binge and ends up 
> with TW5 :)
>

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

Mohammad,
 

> One comment is when you click a title (entry) from TOC it get highlighted 
> so in reading long text one can find where he/she has started and continue.
>

I think I've realized your idea, please check if you thought so.

I've attached the JSON plugin, DEVELOPER VERSION, DO NOT USE IN REAL WIKI, 
etc.

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Re: [tw5] Re: More actions sub-menu

myfta,

Perhaps ask here what kind of change you are thinking of and we may have a 
better answer!

Tony

On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 7:06:47 AM UTC+11, myfta wrote:
>
> Thank you. I can see where to go now but might take a deep breath before I 
> think about making any changes!
>
> On Thursday, 13 February 2020 18:39:50 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> It's the items in the menu "More" that I am trying to edit, accessed by 
>>> the down arrow. It contains Info, New here, New Journal here, etc 
>>>
>>
>> You want to modify these items in the vIew toolbar?
>> If that's what you are after, you have to modify the buttons all tagged 
>> with $:/tags/ViewToolbar
>>
>> Create a tiddler containing <>
>> Click on the tagpill and you get a list of all tiddlers tagged with 
>> $:/tags/ViewToolbar
>>
>> But know what you are doing.
>> My Customization guide (http://tw5custom.tiddlyspot.com/) contains info 
>> about all kinds of buttons.
>> My Exploration guide (http://tw5exploration.tiddlyspot.com/) let you 
>> explore the core tiddlers.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: ListWidget Bug?

Jarard,

So something you can take from Marks point is you can make your own 
template which handles this however you wish (within limits).

use the template=tiddler  parameter on the list widget

For inspiration look at the one that is (most likey) used by 
default $:/core/ui/ListItemTemplate

<$link to={{!!title}}>
<$view field="title"/>


and make your own.

Also,

How were you inserting your special characters?

Did you try the html method described 
here https://tiddlywiki.com/#decodehtml%20Operator 


Regards
Tony



On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 7:22:39 AM UTC+11, Jared Lettau wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> When spaces or single return char separate <$list...> from , no 
> results or emptyMessage are returned. The widget documentation 
>  doesn't indicate that 
> this is expected behavior. Bug?
>
>
> See for examples: http://test7982374.tiddlyspot.com/#:[[List%20Bug%3F]]
>
>
> Example tiddler output: (in case the link ever dies)
>
> List Bug? 
>  13th February 2020 at 12:12pm 
>
>1. No whitespace:
>
><$list filter="[title[foo]]">
>
>foo  
>
>2. Single space (U+0020 : SPACE [SP]):
>
><$list filter="[title[foo]]"> 
>
>3. Two spaces (U+0020 : SPACE [SP]):
>
><$list filter="[title[foo]]">  
>
>4. Character return:
>
><$list filter="[title[foo]]">
>
>
>5. Double space (2 returns):
>
><$list filter="[title[foo]]">
>
>
>
>foo 
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [meta] discussion of tags vs links / relations in TW.

@tiddlytweet

>Just a footnote.

>On wider net, "tags" emerged as an alternative to "ranked categories".

>The point was to escape hierarchical placements with a cross-cutting labeling 
>system.

>Its interesting that TW frequently revisits this issue in many forms weekly :).

>A lot of TOC type things are reconstructing via tags what basic naming might 
>do better! Its an issue about "state of knowing" as much as "technique of 
>fulfillment".

How would basic naming be better? Can you give an example?

Please elaborate on the state of knowing" as much as "technique of fulfillment" 
thing.

>IMO, and my interest, is really HOW to you combine "emergent knowledge" (tags 
>good for that!) with "a nice logical user experience" (TOC good for that IF...)

Yes i agree. I am thinking that tags and links maybe could be collapsed to one 
thing to make connections and emergent knowledge structures more vissible. 

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[tw5] Re: [meta] discussion of tags vs links / relations in TW.

@tiddlytweet

Just a footnote.

On wider net, "tags" emerged as an alternative to "ranked categories".

The point was to escape hierarchical placements with a cross-cutting labeling 
system.

Its interesting that TW frequently revisits this issue in many forms weekly :).

A lot of TOC type things are reconstructing via tags what basic naming might do 
better! Its an issue about "state of knowing" as much as "technique of 
fulfillment".

How would basic naming be better? Can you give an example?

Please elaborate on the state of knowing" as much as "technique of fulfillment" 
thing. 



IMO, and my interest, is really HOW to you combine "emergent knowledge" (tags 
good for that!) with "a nice logical user experience" (TOC good for that IF...)

Yes i agree. I am thinking that tags and links maybe could be collapsed to one 
thing to make connections and emergent knowledge structures more vissible. 

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[tw5] Re: [meta] discussion of tags vs links / relations in TW.

2020-02-13 Thread David Gifford



> Yes that is why i use tags and links as i do. Tags are good for 
> multi-level toc (as alo noted by @tiddlytweeter), but would it not be 
> possible to use links for that also? Isn't that what you are doing David 
> with blink? 
>
> If not. Are you maybe no so interested in multi-level toc? 
>

I use an outliner (Dynalist) for toc's, or do them by hand if in 
TiddlyWiki. For TiddlyBlink I was more interested in seeing how linking and 
backlinking would help me jump back and forth between related tiddlers: a 
book, a note, a topic, a similar topic, a topic I would not have assumed 
would be related, etc.

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[tw5] Re: [meta] discussion of tags vs links / relations in TW.

So many exciting things happening on this forum, so little time. 

@david


>Links are better for sideways and one-level-up connections. Tags are better 
>for multi-level tables of contents.

Yes that is why i use tags and links as i do. Tags are good for multi-level toc 
(as alo noted by @tiddlytweeter), but would it not be possible to use links for 
that also? Isn't that what you are doing David with blink? 

If not. Are you maybe no so interested in multi-level toc? 

>As Mark noted, long tags are terrible.

Why? Many of my tags have space in them, and some are sentences long but i dont 
see the problem with that. I just seach for them and select. A d why would a 
long link be better?

And I hope my poor spelling isn't a threat to the discussion in this thread :) 

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[tw5] Re: ListWidget Bug?

It's a known anomaly. List widget uses whatever is between <$list> and 
 as a template. If there is nothing
(not even a space) then it uses it's own default template. But if there is 
even a single space, then it uses
"space" as the template.

The reason double-space works is because  hmm ... legacy reasons, I 
think.

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 12:22:39 PM UTC-8, Jared Lettau wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> When spaces or single return char separate <$list...> from , no 
> results or emptyMessage are returned. The widget documentation 
>  doesn't indicate that 
> this is expected behavior. Bug?
>
>
> See for examples: http://test7982374.tiddlyspot.com/#:[[List%20Bug%3F]]
>
>
> Example tiddler output: (in case the link ever dies)
>
> List Bug? 
>  13th February 2020 at 12:12pm 
>
>1. No whitespace:
>
><$list filter="[title[foo]]">
>
>foo  
>
>2. Single space (U+0020 : SPACE [SP]):
>
><$list filter="[title[foo]]"> 
>
>3. Two spaces (U+0020 : SPACE [SP]):
>
><$list filter="[title[foo]]">  
>
>4. Character return:
>
><$list filter="[title[foo]]">
>
>
>5. Double space (2 returns):
>
><$list filter="[title[foo]]">
>
>
>
>foo 
>
>
>

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[tw5] ListWidget Bug?

2020-02-13 Thread Jared Lettau

Hi all,

When spaces or single return char separate <$list...> from , no 
results or emptyMessage are returned. The widget documentation 
 doesn't indicate that this 
is expected behavior. Bug?


See for examples: http://test7982374.tiddlyspot.com/#:[[List%20Bug%3F]]


Example tiddler output: (in case the link ever dies)

List Bug? 
 13th February 2020 at 12:12pm 

   1. No whitespace:
   
   <$list filter="[title[foo]]">
   
   foo  
   
   2. Single space (U+0020 : SPACE [SP]):
   
   <$list filter="[title[foo]]"> 
   
   3. Two spaces (U+0020 : SPACE [SP]):
   
   <$list filter="[title[foo]]">  
   
   4. Character return:
   
   <$list filter="[title[foo]]">
   
   
   5. Double space (2 returns):
   
   <$list filter="[title[foo]]">
   
   
   
   foo 
   
   

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Re: [tw5] Re: More actions sub-menu

2020-02-13 Thread myfta

Thank you. I can see where to go now but might take a deep breath before I 
think about making any changes!

On Thursday, 13 February 2020 18:39:50 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> It's the items in the menu "More" that I am trying to edit, accessed by 
>> the down arrow. It contains Info, New here, New Journal here, etc 
>>
>
> You want to modify these items in the vIew toolbar?
> If that's what you are after, you have to modify the buttons all tagged 
> with $:/tags/ViewToolbar
>
> Create a tiddler containing <>
> Click on the tagpill and you get a list of all tiddlers tagged with 
> $:/tags/ViewToolbar
>
> But know what you are doing.
> My Customization guide (http://tw5custom.tiddlyspot.com/) contains info 
> about all kinds of buttons.
> My Exploration guide (http://tw5exploration.tiddlyspot.com/) let you 
> explore the core tiddlers.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: New plugin: Highlight searched text

I tried it.. The placement settings (work around) made it easy to adapt to my 
setup. Perfect
thank you 

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[tw5] Re: Summing values in fields

2020-02-13 Thread Jon

Thanks Eric, I really am going to have to start learning this stuff!

And thanks Mohammad, I can see your plugin is going to be invaluable.

Regards
Jon

On Thursday, 13 February 2020 08:35:26 UTC, Jon wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> is it possible to sum the values held in Field A wherever the field 
> exists, or do the individual tiddlers where it does appear, need to be 
> referenced?
>
> Regards
> Jon
>

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[tw5] Re: repeating Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'removeChild' of null

2020-02-13 Thread springer

Thanks bimlas! I haven't had the error since my post, perhaps because I did 
find a couple more plugins to take out of my active set. But it can't hurt 
to makes updates where possible.

-Springer

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 3:54:01 AM UTC-5, bimlas wrote:
>
> springer,
>
> I don't know if the bug still occurs, but if so, try updating my plugin as 
> it also caused RSOD (although it did conflict with the CodeMirror plugin 
> that you don't have installed).
>
> https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-highlight-searched-text/
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: More actions sub-menu

2020-02-13 Thread Ton Gerner

Hi

It's the items in the menu "More" that I am trying to edit, accessed by the 
> down arrow. It contains Info, New here, New Journal here, etc 
>

You want to modify these items in the vIew toolbar?
If that's what you are after, you have to modify the buttons all tagged 
with $:/tags/ViewToolbar

Create a tiddler containing <>
Click on the tagpill and you get a list of all tiddlers tagged with 
$:/tags/ViewToolbar

But know what you are doing.
My Customization guide (http://tw5custom.tiddlyspot.com/) contains info 
about all kinds of buttons.
My Exploration guide (http://tw5exploration.tiddlyspot.com/) let you 
explore the core tiddlers.

Cheers,

Ton 

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[tw5] Re: [meta] discussion of tags vs links / relations in TW.

Hi PMario,

The original topic was here:

  https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/U1ZKK8UIk94/Ee0LGEZiBAAJ

You posted to it as well. Jed made some comments that explained why it was 
happening.

I think this is fairly close to up-to-date:

  https://marxsal.github.io/EODICT/EO-DICT.html

Sorry, there's ONLY 63000 entries.

The tag operator works fine on things for which there aren't a lot of tags 
(like saved filters). 

To see how it runs the old way, you would want to change

   "[contains:tags] ...

to something like tag . There may be more than one place 
to change.

There was also template code in WordTemplate that now has:

  <$list filter="[all[current]has[en]]">

But I'm pretty sure it originally had 

  <$list filter="[all[current]tag[Vorto]]">


Thanks!

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 9:35:26 AM UTC-8, PMario wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 5:50:22 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 8:08:07 AM UTC-8, PMario wrote:
>>>
>>> That shouldn't be the case. see info above.
>>>  
>>>
 When I tried to make a TW with 37000 vocabulary entries, it slowed to a 
 standstill because the tag operator apparently isn't optimized for large 
 numbers of tagged tiddlers. It turned out to be faster to do a search in 
 the tag list field, which is surprising.

>>>
>>> It would be interesting to know the filter strings you used and how the 
>>> tiddler / tag structure looked like. 
>>> Latest TWs have a $tw.perf.log() function, which can give detailed 
>>> info, in the dev-tools if performance-instrumentation is enabled. ... 
>>>
>>> -mario
>>>
>>
>> It wasn't something convoluted, if that's what you're getting at.
>>
>
> No. I was just interested in the structure. 
>  
>
>> It was a simple tag[xxx] functionality that slowed to a crawl when there 
>> were thousands of tiddlers tagged. Replacing the tag operator with a search 
>> operator improved performance. There's no real hierarchy -- just a handful 
>> of tags to indicate that a tiddler is word, and what kind of functionality 
>> it has (adverb, verb, etc.)  It was surprising that the tag operator 
>> performed so poorly.
>>
>
> Yes, and it would be interesting why. 
>  
>
>> It's not something that I want to recreate. I now have 72000 entries, and 
>> get reasonable performance on a tablet -- but I don't use the tag operator.
>>
>
> So you have about 72k tiddlers and most of them are tagged: word ... right?
> The set of words is equally typed with parts of speech 
>  ... ?? ... So may be 
> 20% 20% 15% 15% 10% 10% 5% 5% of tiddlers are tagged different?
>
> Does the tiddler text contain links?
>
> Would this be a schema, which I could do some tests?
>
> -mario
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin 2.0.15: Dynamic Tables with Task Manager Example and Numerical Summary

Olegh,
 I updated the Shiraz to 2.0.16. Please have a look.
As you may note the vertical tabs are red and color setting work there!
Could you give a try and see if it work for you also?

I did not changed the css but its position in stylesheet has been changed!

--Mohammad


On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 11:43:16 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>
> In order to make it workable at Control Panel 
> I even removed selector .tc-sidebar-lists. 
> You can check all these stuff at protw.github.io/prosteer
>
> https://bit.ly/oleghbond 
>
> Ср, 12 лют. 2020, 21:45 користувач Mohammad  > пише:
>
>> Thanks Olegh!
>>
>> Let's have a look.
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 11:11:57 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>>
>>> 2.0.15
>>>
>>> https://bit.ly/oleghbond 
>>>
>>> Ср, 12 лют. 2020, 21:30 користувач Mohammad  пише:
>>>
 Hi again Olegh,


 On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 10:51:57 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond 
 wrote:
>
> Dear Mohammad,
>
> I found that vertical tabs in colorful mode are not colored when are 
> selected. So I tried the following tweak - adding the following selector 
> *.tc-vertical 
> button.tc-tab-**selected* into tiddler 
> *$:/plugins/kookma/shiraz/styles/colorful-sidebar-ta**b*
>
> .tc-sidebar-lists .tc-tab-buttons button.tc-tab-selected*, 
> .tc-vertical button.tc-tab-**selected* {
> background: none;
> border: none;
> border-bottom: solid 1px #737373 !important;
> font-weight: bold;
> color: #DB4C3F !important;
> }
>
> Amazingly this work on my wiki! Thank you for hint!

 Which version of Shiraz are you using?
  

> Please take this (or similar) into account in the next release.
>

 Thank you 

>
> Olegh
> четвер, 6 лютого 2020 р. 23:28:31 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>
>> *Announcement:Shiraz plugin*
>> *Date: Feb 7th, 2020*
>> *Release: 2.0.15 beta*
>> *Status: beta under development*
>>
>> A new beta update is available.
>>
>> This update contains tons of new features and improved documentation. 
>> The focus is now on dynamics tables.
>> Dynamic tables in Shiraz is a subset lite version of Revolutionary 
>> plugin TiddlyTables by Alaan Aldrich. So all kudos goes to Alaan.
>>
>> This version has an example of creating task manager using table-fd 
>> which demonstrate how powerful are dynamic tables in Shiraz!
>> All of these are based the wonderful transclusion in Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>> As always I welcome all your feedback and comments and hope your 
>> evaluation help improving the Shiraz plugin!
>>
>> *IMPORTANT NOTE:*
>>  Those who update from Shiraz 2 beta note that, the table-fd, 
>> table-id parameters are renamed for better compatibility with other part 
>> of 
>> Shiraz plugin.
>>
>> A tutorial of latest changes has been attached!
>>
>> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/
>> Code: https://github.com/kookma/Shiraz
>>
>> Star it if you like it and send your feedback!
>> Documentation proof reading for English is welcome!
>>
>>
>> A permview 
>> to
>>  
>> see the latest changes (like tutorial)
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>> Revision 2.0.15
>>
>>- Date: [6th Feb 2020]
>>- [NEW] the table-fd supports special column template tbl-checkbox
>>- [NEW] the table-fd supports column templates priority, status, 
>>due-date
>>- [NEW] task manager example using table-fd
>>- [NEW] documentation for numerical summary in dynamic tables
>>- [FIXED] dynamic tables parameters are simplified like 
>>tblCaption to caption, tblClass to class, tblFooter to footerRows
>>- Warning: New update is not compatible with dynamic tables from 
>>older release. Use tiddler commander to resolve the issue after 
>> update.
>>
>> Revision 2.0.14
>>
>>- Date: [31st Jan 2020]
>>- [NEW] table footer to be used for any type of summary
>>- [NEW] mathematics macros to claculate the below values for a 
>>column
>>   - count
>>   - minall
>>   - maxall
>>   - sum
>>   - product
>>   - mean (arithematic average)
>>   - median
>>
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[tw5] Re: And the winner is... Tiddlywiki

Hor

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 8:55:41 PM UTC+3:30, Dave wrote:
>
> https://pca.st/episode/7ae37a28-460a-4b8b-ac9f-d905f89a9d8d?t=1186
>
> A podcast called self hosted, this guy goes on a wiki binge and ends up 
> with TW5 :)
>

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[tw5] Re: And the winner is... Tiddlywiki

Ha! Fun to listen to.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Query On "Insertion Point Location" in single file TW

Tx Jeremy

FYI  I been playing with Powershell to encode attributes automatically.

I think you are right that at start it is a good idea to look at the output 
in more than one context.

At first I was a bit over confident. There is a lot to get "right" to 
ensure direct insertion works properly.

Best wishes
TT

On Thursday, 13 February 2020 17:45:28 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah
>
> Just a thought, but in order to test the validity of the generated HTML 
> file you might try importing it into another wiki as well as just loading 
> it into a browser. The tiddlers are ready by two different mechansms in 
> those cases, so it will help to shake out any incompatibilities.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
> On 13 Feb 2020, at 07:59, TiddlyTweeter > 
> wrote:
>
> Tx!
>
> I now understand what you meant! Yeah, I'd only insert after the store 
> div, not comments.
>
> My comments are purely whilst doing sequential insertions. They are 
> stripped out on completion.
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
> On Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:07:27 UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>>
>>
>> You can do what ever you want with your code but don't rely on someone 
>> else's comments.
>>  
>>
>>> But your comment indicates that can't work? Right?
>>>
>>
>> It can work, but it wouldn't be best practice.
>>
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Re: [tw5] Operator that supports filters wihout formatting as link

Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> There’s actually a correction to make; it might be worth updating your 
> original post to make sure future searchers don’t get led astray.
>

Thanks! I hope I updated it correctly.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: More actions sub-menu

2020-02-13 Thread Graham Ward

It's the items in the menu "More" that I am trying to edit, accessed
by the down arrow. It contains Info, New here, New Journal here, etc

Thanks.

On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 at 17:31, Ton Gerner  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 4:47:24 PM UTC+1, myfta wrote:
>>
>> Can you modify the items that appear in the Tiddler's "More actions" sub 
>> menu? If so where?
>
>
> I don't know what you mean by 'modify' but anyway In Control panel > 
> Appearance > Toolbars you can select what will be displayed in the 
> toolbar(s). The rest can be accessed by the More actions button(s).
>
> When you create your own buttons, you can assign them to one or more toolbars 
> by adding the appropriate tag(s). These new button(s) can be displayed on the 
> toolbar, or - if unchecked in Control panel - under the More actions button.
>
> Does this answer your question?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
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[tw5] Re: TW5 : Get unique values from nested lists output

TonyM wrote:

> As you can see from my example before [...] 


Which example?
 
I don't quite understand your description here but you do mention "nesting" 
a lot. However, a main idea with my proposal is to avoid manually nesting 
stuff by enabling a "flat" filter so you can directly use it in e.g a 
single listwidget. We'd achieve the same output by nesting listwidgets - in 
fact that is exactly what we currently do - so when you talk about adding 
macros to it, I suspect that this would only be another optional but also 
complex solution - no?

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[tw5] Re: [meta] discussion of tags vs links / relations in TW.

2020-02-13 Thread PMario



On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 5:50:22 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 8:08:07 AM UTC-8, PMario wrote:
>>
>> That shouldn't be the case. see info above.
>>  
>>
>>> When I tried to make a TW with 37000 vocabulary entries, it slowed to a 
>>> standstill because the tag operator apparently isn't optimized for large 
>>> numbers of tagged tiddlers. It turned out to be faster to do a search in 
>>> the tag list field, which is surprising.
>>>
>>
>> It would be interesting to know the filter strings you used and how the 
>> tiddler / tag structure looked like. 
>> Latest TWs have a $tw.perf.log() function, which can give detailed info, 
>> in the dev-tools if performance-instrumentation is enabled. ... 
>>
>> -mario
>>
>
> It wasn't something convoluted, if that's what you're getting at.
>

No. I was just interested in the structure. 
 

> It was a simple tag[xxx] functionality that slowed to a crawl when there 
> were thousands of tiddlers tagged. Replacing the tag operator with a search 
> operator improved performance. There's no real hierarchy -- just a handful 
> of tags to indicate that a tiddler is word, and what kind of functionality 
> it has (adverb, verb, etc.)  It was surprising that the tag operator 
> performed so poorly.
>

Yes, and it would be interesting why. 
 

> It's not something that I want to recreate. I now have 72000 entries, and 
> get reasonable performance on a tablet -- but I don't use the tag operator.
>

So you have about 72k tiddlers and most of them are tagged: word ... right?
The set of words is equally typed with parts of speech 
 ... ?? ... So may be 
20% 20% 15% 15% 10% 10% 5% 5% of tiddlers are tagged different?

Does the tiddler text contain links?

Would this be a schema, which I could do some tests?

-mario

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Re: [tw5] Create a link to static tw.com showing arbitrary tiddler combos?

Thanks, that's what I suspected. However, the particularity of my need 
might change the premise: What I want is a static page per *filter operator 
doc* that shows the filter operator doc *and* its associated example 
tiddler. Does this change anything? Maybe the predictable title of the 
example tiddler makes it possible to automatically...?

My reason for asking is that I'm making a thing for the community that I 
strongly expect will become pretty popular. The need to access the filter 
op doc + example is a connected part to this thing and while it would be 
possible to e.g load the two static tiddlers separately or as one dynamic 
wiki showing both... it makes much more sense with one slick targeted 
loading.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: More actions sub-menu

2020-02-13 Thread Ton Gerner

Hi,

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 4:47:24 PM UTC+1, myfta wrote:
>
> Can you modify the items that appear in the Tiddler's "More actions" sub 
> menu? If so where? 

I don't know what you mean by 'modify' but anyway In Control panel > 
Appearance > Toolbars you can select what will be displayed in the 
toolbar(s). The rest can be accessed by the More actions button(s).

When you create your own buttons, you can assign them to one or more 
toolbars by adding the appropriate tag(s). These new button(s) can be 
displayed on the toolbar, or - if unchecked in Control panel - under the 
More actions button.

Does this answer your question?

Cheers,

Ton

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[tw5] And the winner is... Tiddlywiki

2020-02-13 Thread Dave

https://pca.st/episode/7ae37a28-460a-4b8b-ac9f-d905f89a9d8d?t=1186

A podcast called self hosted, this guy goes on a wiki binge and ends up with 
TW5 :)

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Re: [tw5] Create a link to static tw.com showing arbitrary tiddler combos?

2020-02-13 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Mat

> On 12 Feb 2020, at 20:38, Mat  wrote:
> 
> TW enables creating static wikis and we have the examples with all tiddlers 
>  statically open and a static with 
> only a few tiddlers  open (the default 
> tids) and there's the single static 
>  for each tid. Can I create a 
> permalink - also to tiddlywiki.com - to show a few static tiddlers of my 
> chosing?

That would only be possible if we pre-prepared a static HTML file for each of 
the possible combinations of tiddlers you might want to display, which would be 
impractical with more than a very small number of tiddlers

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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[tw5] Re: [meta] discussion of tags vs links / relations in TW.

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 8:08:07 AM UTC-8, PMario wrote:
>
> That shouldn't be the case. see info above.
>  
>
>> When I tried to make a TW with 37000 vocabulary entries, it slowed to a 
>> standstill because the tag operator apparently isn't optimized for large 
>> numbers of tagged tiddlers. It turned out to be faster to do a search in 
>> the tag list field, which is surprising.
>>
>
> It would be interesting to know the filter strings you used and how the 
> tiddler / tag structure looked like. 
> Latest TWs have a $tw.perf.log() function, which can give detailed info, 
> in the dev-tools if performance-instrumentation is enabled. ... 
>
> -mario
>

It wasn't something convoluted, if that's what you're getting at. It was a 
simple tag[xxx] functionality that slowed to a crawl when there were 
thousands of tiddlers tagged. Replacing the tag operator with a search 
operator improved performance. There's no real hierarchy -- just a handful 
of tags to indicate that a tiddler is word, and what kind of functionality 
it has (adverb, verb, etc.)  It was surprising that the tag operator 
performed so poorly. It's not something that I want to recreate. I now have 
72000 entries, and get reasonable performance on a tablet -- but I don't 
use the tag operator.

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Re: [tw5] Operator that supports filters wihout formatting as link

2020-02-13 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Mat

> On 12 Feb 2020, at 01:24, Mat  wrote:
> 
> I'm about to go sleep so this is a bit sloppy:

There’s actually a correction to make; it might be worth updating your original 
post to make sure future searchers don’t get led astray.

> Or the WikifyWidget which takes a lot of memory so don't e.g put it in a 
> loop. Note that you can use it like so to get a filter result:
> 
> <$wikify name=foo text={{{ filter }}} >
> 

Setting an attribute to {{{ filter }}} doesn’t do that: it evaluates the filter 
and returns the first result as the value of the attribute. So the effect of 
your example is to process the first result of the filter as if it was 
wikitext, and then return the text portion of the resulting HTML.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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Re: [tw5] Query On "Insertion Point Location" in single file TW

2020-02-13 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Josiah

Just a thought, but in order to test the validity of the generated HTML file 
you might try importing it into another wiki as well as just loading it into a 
browser. The tiddlers are ready by two different mechansms in those cases, so 
it will help to shake out any incompatibilities.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 13 Feb 2020, at 07:59, TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
> 
> Tx!
> 
> I now understand what you meant! Yeah, I'd only insert after the store div, 
> not comments.
> 
> My comments are purely whilst doing sequential insertions. They are stripped 
> out on completion.
> 
> Best wishes
> TT
> 
> On Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:07:27 UTC+1, PMario wrote:
> 
> You can do what ever you want with your code but don't rely on someone else's 
> comments.
>  
> But your comment indicates that can't work? Right?
> 
> It can work, but it wouldn't be best practice.
> 
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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-13 Thread David Gifford

Hi bimlas

I added the Locator plugin to the TiddlyWiki toolmap, under "Navigation - 
Tables of contents and outliners" 
(https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM). It looks like someone 
else also added it under the category "searching tools". 

This looks like it could be really useful. Like everyone else, it is taking 
me some time to figure it out. For example, the arrow next to 'Table of 
contents' doesn't do anything when pressed. Nor do the two middle icons to 
the right of 'Filter by fields'. The rest of the confusion is that it is 
all new and I have only begun to read the documentation. 

At first I missed the link to the tutorial because it was right above the 
video surrouned by bold text. There is a LOT of bold text, which is 
"noisy". Maybe you could separate the link to the tutorial visually from 
the rest so it stands out.

I am not clear on what the following means: "This sidebar is hidden when 
the focus is on the search entry to increase responsiveness - see Locator 
view  for the code." 
What sidebar are you referring to? 

Anyway, those are not criticisms, but meant to help. I will need time to 
play with this for a while, so I am not yet ready to have a longer 
conversation about this.

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 5:40:14 AM UTC-6, bimlas wrote:
>
> HC Haase,
>
> I'll answer everything later.
>
> *Everybody,*
>
> Many of you wrote that you had to get used to the plugin before you could 
> really use it. What was it that made it unusual? Which operation was 
> difficult to understand? I wish I could make the plugin clearer, but I 
> can't see what's wrong with it because I can't look at it completely 
> objectively. I would appreciate any ideas that make it easy to use.
>
> Thanks for all the comments!
>

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[tw5] Re: [meta] discussion of tags vs links / relations in TW.

2020-02-13 Thread David Gifford

Thanks for your expertise, in this post and the previous one.

Question: given what you wrote in these posts, what will slow down 
TiddlyWiki faster: tagging or backlinking?


On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 10:19:23 AM UTC-6, PMario wrote:
>
>
> I'm replying to the technical part about links here. 
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 2:24:19 PM UTC+1, HC Haase wrote:
>
>> In terms of relations between tiddlers we have 
>>
>>1. tags: can be hierarchies as in the TOC, and more network oriented. 
>>It gives us categories 
>>2. links: is a stronger relation that tags, it gives us a direct 
>>connection to another tiddler.
>>3. backlinks: are also links, but not as intentional as normal links, 
>>thus these could bring some emergence and show connection you forgot.
>>
>> Backlinks, Missing and Orphan links are "synthetic" links. They have to 
> be calculated, whenever they are shown. eg: To find backlinks every tiddler 
> has to be loaded and parsed to calculate the "links", which the tiddler 
> contains.
>
> Internally the links are cached, so the parsing needs to be done only 
> once. But showing a backlink using the cached "links" still needs to touch 
> every tiddler in the store. 
>
>>
>>1. list
>>2. listed
>>3. searches (and bimlas forward linking 
>>
>> 
>>  
>>thing)
>>
>> list, listed and search will also touch every tiddler in the store. 
>
> -mario
>

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[tw5] Re: [meta] discussion of tags vs links / relations in TW.

2020-02-13 Thread PMario



I'm replying to the technical part about links here. 

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 2:24:19 PM UTC+1, HC Haase wrote:

> In terms of relations between tiddlers we have 
>
>1. tags: can be hierarchies as in the TOC, and more network oriented. 
>It gives us categories 
>2. links: is a stronger relation that tags, it gives us a direct 
>connection to another tiddler.
>3. backlinks: are also links, but not as intentional as normal links, 
>thus these could bring some emergence and show connection you forgot.
>
> Backlinks, Missing and Orphan links are "synthetic" links. They have to be 
calculated, whenever they are shown. eg: To find backlinks every tiddler 
has to be loaded and parsed to calculate the "links", which the tiddler 
contains.

Internally the links are cached, so the parsing needs to be done only once. 
But showing a backlink using the cached "links" still needs to touch every 
tiddler in the store. 

>
>1. list
>2. listed
>3. searches (and bimlas forward linking 
>
> 
>  
>thing)
>
> list, listed and search will also touch every tiddler in the store. 

-mario

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[tw5] Re: [meta] discussion of tags vs links / relations in TW.

2020-02-13 Thread PMario

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 6:16:09 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 8:38:47 AM UTC-8, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>
>> My understanding is that* tags slow TiddlyWiki down faster than links* 
>> if you want to tag everything and create a giant hierarchy. That would be a 
>> good topic for discussion to clarify if that is the case or not. Part of 
>> the slowdown, if I am understanding correctly, is the elaborate CSS of tag 
>> pills and dropdowns for each one,
>>
>
That shouldn't be the case. Applying CSS is done by the browser and is 
highly optimized, in a way that most of the CSS settings are thrown away, 
because they are not active at the moment. ... There are some CSS styles 
eg: dropshadows, that are known to be expensive, but they would need to be 
applied to every element, which isn't the case for tag lists.  

The number of elements that have to be drawn is something that can slow 
down displaying a list of all tags. 
eg: 
 - tiddlywiky.com has about 2000 shadow tiddlers. 
 - Listing them as links in AdvancedSearch on my PC needs about 600ms
 - 1 link is "built" using 2 DOM elements. 
 - So the browser has to draw 4000 elements and apply the styling.

 - tiddlywiki.com has about 300 tags. 
 - listing them in Advanced search needs about 100ms
   - 1 link is built the same way as above
 - listing them in the tag-dropdown needs about 500ms
   - 1 link in the dropdown uses 4 DOM elements
   - 1 link with an icons uses much more DOM elements. 
 - We do have 1200+ elements that have to be draw + The much more 
complicated calculation of a tag-pill element.
   - tag-pill can be found at: core/macros/tag 

 

The combination of the tag-pill element and the resulting DOM elements, 
that the browser has to draw, have the potential to make the tag-picker 
slow. 
 

> and the often convoluted list filters we use for listing tiddlers by tag.
>>
>
That's right. Filters are a possibility where lists can be optimized. ... 
 

> But then perhaps links slow it down just as much. I don't know, but 
>> TiddlyBlink is in part to avoid tagging as much as possible.
>>
>
The work, the core has to do searching for tags is probably the same as 
searching for links. 

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 6:16:09 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:

> I hadn't heard about CSS slowing tags down.
>

That shouldn't be the case. see info above.
 

> When I tried to make a TW with 37000 vocabulary entries, it slowed to a 
> standstill because the tag operator apparently isn't optimized for large 
> numbers of tagged tiddlers. It turned out to be faster to do a search in 
> the tag list field, which is surprising.
>

It would be interesting to know the filter strings you used and how the 
tiddler / tag structure looked like. 
Latest TWs have a $tw.perf.log() function, which can give detailed info, in 
the dev-tools if performance-instrumentation is enabled. ... 

-mario

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[tw5] More actions sub-menu

2020-02-13 Thread myfta

Can you modify the items that appear in the Tiddler's "More actions" sub menu? 
If so where? 

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[tw5] Re: Query: Legal TiddlyWiki Dates?

2020-02-13 Thread Eric Shulman

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 12:12:52 AM UTC-8, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> As part of creating tiddlers in "raw" format for direct insertion into TW 
> I am manipulating the "created" date.
> My question is this ...
>
> *What is the EARLIEST date you can enter?*
>
>
Unlike unix dates, which are stored as "milliseconds since start date" 
(which is officially 00:00:00 UTC on 1 January 1970), dates in TW are 
stored as a string of zeros representing year, month, day, hour, minutes, 
seconds, milliseconds, using zero-padded values with 4-digits for year, 
3-digits for milliseconds, and 2-digits for all other values.  Thus, the 
earliest date that can be stored is "0" (17 zeros in total).

If you create a tiddler with a field "testdate" containing the above string 
of zeros, and then display it using
<$view field="testdate" format="date" template="[UTC] 0MM 0DD 
0hh:0mm:0ss.0XXX" />

The result is: *1899 11 30 00:00:00.00*

I'm not sure why this is the result, but that's what it shows.

-e
 

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[tw5] Re: Query: Legal TiddlyWiki Dates?

Since Tiddlywiki uses JavaScript, I suspect the earliest possible date is 
1700-01-01. 
I guess this would rule out plays by Shakespeare ...

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[tw5] Re: [meta] discussion of tags vs links / relations in TW.

Just a footnote.

On wider net, "tags" emerged as an alternative to "ranked categories".

The point was to escape hierarchical placements with a cross-cutting 
labeling system.

Its interesting that TW frequently revisits this issue in many forms weekly 
:).

A lot of TOC type things are reconstructing via tags what basic naming 
might do better! Its an issue about "state of knowing" as much as 
"technique of fulfillment".

IMO, and my interest, is really HOW to you combine "emergent knowledge" 
(tags good for that!) with "a nice logical user experience" (TOC good for 
that IF...)

Thoughts
TT

On Tuesday, 11 February 2020 14:24:19 UTC+1, HC Haase wrote:
>
>
> This is inspired from my thread on tag picker slowdown 
>  and 
> Dave's thread on bi-directional linking 
> .
>  
> From these discussions on the TW tech and user behaviour with relations, I 
> think it could be useful to have a more fundamental discussion about 
> relations (tags and links).
>
>
> Different folks different strokes, is a good thing to remember when 
> talking TW. I will do my best to remember that not all, do things the same 
> way as I. But sometime I might forget.
>
> I will approach this from my own point of view. This is not to say that 
> this is the right way to do referencing, but is an attempt to get some 
> clarity by starting at one point.
>
> In terms of relations between tiddlers we have 
>
>1. tags: can be hierarchies as in the TOC, and more network oriented. 
>It gives us categories 
>2. links: is a stronger relation that tags, it gives us a direct 
>connection to another tiddler.
>3. backlinks: are also links, but not as intentional as normal links, 
>thus these could bring some emergence and show connection you forgot.
>4. list
>5. listed
>6. searches (and bimlas forward linking 
>
> 
>  
>thing)
>
>
> I don't see list and listed as too relevant right now, so I will leave 
> them out for now.
>
>
> The way I see it tags and links are different. Links are more direct and 
> intentional - a strong relation if you will. Tags are a broader categories 
> (and/or hierarchical). This also means that tags become my primary 
> mechanism for order and links get a more ad hoc use. I had the feeling that 
> this is the way tags and links were designed/thought to be used (but I 
> could be wrong).
>
> So in summery
>
>
>- tags
>   - hierarchy
>   - category/keyword
>   - primary sorter
>   - many out of the box features (toc macro, tagging filter, colour 
>   coding, drop-down picker)
>   - don't pollute the text space
>   - links
>   - stronger link
>   - more ad hoc
>   - secondary sorter
>   - not (out of the box) optimal for hierarchies
>   - may pollute the text space
>   
>
>
> Some people rely more on links instead of tags and some more on fields 
> (other than tag). This puzzled me a bit. But if you make some lists that 
> show nested list of links, to show hierarchy, you could use links for the 
> same as tags (e.g. Dave's blink edition 
> ).
>  
> SO maybe there are no real difference between tags and links? Can they be 
> used interchangeable? and if so why not only have one method?
>
> You link people; 
>
>
>- is there an advantage/disadvantage to using links for hierarchy?
>- And how do you use links? do you have a "see also" section with 
>keyword links? 
>- do you distinguish between "a link to another tiddler" and "child of 
>tiddler link"?
>
>
> Tags have many advantages that links do not have (out of the box) (toc 
> macro,tagging filter, colour coding, drop-down picker). but if we strip 
> them of these fancy cloths, are they any different than links?
>
> Maybe I am rambling now.. I properly managed to confuse myself. I look 
> forward to hearing your thoughts on this. 
>

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[tw5] Re: Query: Legal TiddlyWiki Dates?

Ciao TonyM

Thanks for your concern. But I don't think it is an issue in the particular 
use case. E.g. excerpts of scripts written in 1957. Works fine. That dating 
identifies them well without need of an additional field.

User created Tiddler dating would work as normal. I can't see a problem?

In any case, I intended the OP to be about better understanding the limits 
on dates in TW. I'm interested in that.

Best wishes
TT

On Thursday, 13 February 2020 11:11:06 UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>
> TT,
>
> I advise against this, use a new field for the dates you want to back 
> date. I do not think this additional field is unneeded, on the contrary it 
> is needed in my view.
>
> Why?
>
> Because created date is an important record of when the tiddler was first 
> created. One day it may get you out of a pickle because you can search for 
> all this tiddlers you created in a batch on a particular date. It also 
> supports recently created searches and a lot more potentially.
>
> I am happy to share the tools and methods to make use of an additional 
> date field.
>
> In the same vein I put a journal-date field on my journals since the title 
> is human readable it is useful having a date serial field for date range 
> manipulation and more. In this case I may create a log entry for a past 
> date and when I did this it is captured in the created date. I could list 
> all journals that were "post dated" created after the day on which they 
> represent.
>
> Just a view point I feel duty bound to share.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 7:12:52 PM UTC+11, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> As part of creating tiddlers in "raw" format for direct insertion into TW 
>> I am manipulating the "created" date.
>>
>> My question is this ...
>>
>> *What is the EARLIEST date you can enter? *
>>
>>
>> I assume there will be a date calculation stats from in TW? (JS?)
>>
>> FYI, the way I am using it is to record historical dates without having 
>> to use an additional unneeded field.
>>
>> Any help appreciated!
>>
>> Best wishes
>> TT
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Summing values in fields



On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 12:41:37 PM UTC+3:30, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 12:35:26 AM UTC-8, Jon wrote:
>>
>> is it possible to sum the values held in Field A wherever the field 
>> exists, or do the individual tiddlers where it does appear, need to be 
>> referenced?
>>
>
> Using filters, you can write:
> <$list filter="[get[A]sum[]]" />
>
> The get[A] operator retrieves a list of all values from all tiddlers that 
> have a field named "A".
> Then, the sum[] operator adds up all the retrieved values.
>

a small side note: TW fields are in lower case! 

>
> -e
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Summing values in fields

Jon
 Take a look at Shiraz Plugin 2.0.16
 
https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/#demo%2Fdynamic-tables-numerical-summary:demo%2Fdynamic-tables-numerical-summary%20demo%2Fdynamic-tables%2Fcustom-numerical-summary

It has some great features for performing simple calculation on filed 
values!

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On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 12:05:26 PM UTC+3:30, Jon wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> is it possible to sum the values held in Field A wherever the field 
> exists, or do the individual tiddlers where it does appear, need to be 
> referenced?
>
> Regards
> Jon
>

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

HC Haase,

I'll answer everything later.

*Everybody,*

Many of you wrote that you had to get used to the plugin before you could 
really use it. What was it that made it unusual? Which operation was 
difficult to understand? I wish I could make the plugin clearer, but I 
can't see what's wrong with it because I can't look at it completely 
objectively. I would appreciate any ideas that make it easy to use.

Thanks for all the comments!

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)



On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 5:34:33 PM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> It seems that 2020 will be the year of renewal of the table of contents, 
> as many of you present new, innovative solutions in this area. Here's mine.
>

One comment is when you click a title (entry) from TOC it get highlighted 
so in reading long text one can find where he/she has started and continue.
A similar approach is used by Eric Shulman and PMario.
 

>
> I wanted to finish this release for Christmas, but every time I used the 
> version under development, I felt the features were incomplete, so I 
> haven't released the newest version yet. I think the plugin now meets most 
> of my requirements, so I'd like you to give it a try. The older version was 
> "cryptic" in some ways, I hope this one is easy to understand for everyone.
>
> What is the Locator exactly?
>
> Before I explain, let's clarify a few things about TiddlyWiki:
>
>- Tiddlers can contain any data (notes, tasks, phone numbers, photos, 
>music videos, recipes, products, family members, ...)
>- Tiddlers can have tags
>- Tags can be used to "label" tiddlers to categorize them (just like 
>hashtags)
>- Tags can be used to create hierarchies, trees (table of contents) by 
>adding the parent tiddler as a tag to the current tiddler
>- Tiddlers can have fields
>- Fields can contain arbitrary data (date, numeric value, text, even a 
>list of other tiddlers) which characterize the tiddler
>- Tags are stored in tags field of tiddler
>- Because tags is no different from the other fields, any field can be 
>used as tags
>- The links in the text also form a tree
>
>
> Locator provides a universal interface for navigating between your 
> tiddlers and searching, filtering them without the need to write filter 
> expressions. The plugin contains a table of contents widget and an enhanced 
> search engine that contains a visual filter builder to filter results by 
> tags and field values. You can organize the tiddlers to any number of 
> trees, even by custom fields or links in text. Unlike classic Table of 
> Contents, standard search, filter search and list of tags, this plugin 
> handles these functions organically.
>
> Demo + install: https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/
>
> If you have used the previous version, be sure to check changelog for 
> incompatible changes.
>

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[tw5] Shiraz Plugin 2.0.16: Dynamic Tables with Task Manager Example and Numerical Summary Gets Improved

*Announcement:Shiraz plugin*
*Date: Feb 13th, 2020*
*Release: 2.0.16 beta*
*Status: beta under development*

A new beta update is available.

This new update focus is on improving dynamic tables in Shiraz.
 
Dynamic tables in Shiraz is a subset lite version of Revolutionary plugin 
TiddlyTables by Alaan Aldrich. So all kudos goes to Alaan.


As always I welcome all your feedback and comments and hope your evaluation 
help improving the Shiraz plugin!

*IMPORTANT NOTE:*
 Those who update from Shiraz 2 beta note that, the table-fd, table-id are 
merged into new* table-dynamic* macro.

A tutorial of latest changes has been attached!

Demo: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/
Code: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Shiraz

Star it if you like it and send your feedback!
Documentation proof reading for English is welcome!




   - The dynamic table doc and 
   examples: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/#Tutorial%20Dynamic%20Tables
   - The task manager 
   example: 
https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/#demo%2Fdynamic-table%2Ftask-manager
   - Searchable dynamic 
   table: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/#demo%2Fdynamic-tables%2Fsearchable

 
History

Revision 2.0.16
   
   - Date: [13th Feb 2020]
   - [NEW] dynamic tables (table-fd and table-id) merged into table-dynamic
   - [NEW] dynamic-table macro handles at the same time tables created from 
   dataTiddler and tiddler fields
   - [NEW] dynamic-table macro has editButton to show/hide the edit toggle 
   button
   - [NEW] warning message with dismiss button when non dataTiddlers are 
   used to create table from indexes. This warns users from risk of 
   accidentally overwriting text field of tiddlers
   - [NEW] several new column templates including color, type, status, 
   due-date, priority
   - [NEW] searchable dynamic tables
   - [FIXED] button size issue. The two css for btn and btn-size were merged
   - [FIXED] the issue with sorting numerical values in columns from 
   indexes by adding description to doecumentation.

For all changes see History 




Best wishes
Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: [meta] discussion of tags vs links / relations in TW.

HC,

I would just make a couple of points - 

Titles, in camel case or [[square brackets]] are fully operational links as 
you know, to just a title is enough to have a link. Recently auto linking 
tiddler titles found in text was discussed and implemented. This allows 
auto linking. So any field like tags can hold one or more titles and each 
of these can automatically be a link.

I would suggest trying to keep the linking focused around tiddler titles.

Have you seen marios parent TOC, called TOCP? which sets up a hierarchy 
based on the parent field rather than tags. It has a new here (with Parent) 
You can do the same thing with any field.

Tiddlywiki has the features that you can build any network or hierarchy you 
want, in fact multiple hierarchies at the same time. I am trying to find a 
single relationship model tiddlywiki can not represent and have not yet. 
This includes maintaining "referential integrity" using out of the box 
tags, or building your own. This allows a change in one node without it 
loosing its relationships.

I hope this contributes to your thoughts on this issue.

Regards
Tony





  

On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 12:24:19 AM UTC+11, HC Haase wrote:
>
>
> This is inspired from my thread on tag picker slowdown 
>  and 
> Dave's thread on bi-directional linking 
> .
>  
> From these discussions on the TW tech and user behaviour with relations, I 
> think it could be useful to have a more fundamental discussion about 
> relations (tags and links).
>
>
> Different folks different strokes, is a good thing to remember when 
> talking TW. I will do my best to remember that not all, do things the same 
> way as I. But sometime I might forget.
>
> I will approach this from my own point of view. This is not to say that 
> this is the right way to do referencing, but is an attempt to get some 
> clarity by starting at one point.
>
> In terms of relations between tiddlers we have 
>
>1. tags: can be hierarchies as in the TOC, and more network oriented. 
>It gives us categories 
>2. links: is a stronger relation that tags, it gives us a direct 
>connection to another tiddler.
>3. backlinks: are also links, but not as intentional as normal links, 
>thus these could bring some emergence and show connection you forgot.
>4. list
>5. listed
>6. searches (and bimlas forward linking 
>
> 
>  
>thing)
>
>
> I don't see list and listed as too relevant right now, so I will leave 
> them out for now.
>
>
> The way I see it tags and links are different. Links are more direct and 
> intentional - a strong relation if you will. Tags are a broader categories 
> (and/or hierarchical). This also means that tags become my primary 
> mechanism for order and links get a more ad hoc use. I had the feeling that 
> this is the way tags and links were designed/thought to be used (but I 
> could be wrong).
>
> So in summery
>
>
>- tags
>   - hierarchy
>   - category/keyword
>   - primary sorter
>   - many out of the box features (toc macro, tagging filter, colour 
>   coding, drop-down picker)
>   - don't pollute the text space
>   - links
>   - stronger link
>   - more ad hoc
>   - secondary sorter
>   - not (out of the box) optimal for hierarchies
>   - may pollute the text space
>   
>
>
> Some people rely more on links instead of tags and some more on fields 
> (other than tag). This puzzled me a bit. But if you make some lists that 
> show nested list of links, to show hierarchy, you could use links for the 
> same as tags (e.g. Dave's blink edition 
> ).
>  
> SO maybe there are no real difference between tags and links? Can they be 
> used interchangeable? and if so why not only have one method?
>
> You link people; 
>
>
>- is there an advantage/disadvantage to using links for hierarchy?
>- And how do you use links? do you have a "see also" section with 
>keyword links? 
>- do you distinguish between "a link to another tiddler" and "child of 
>tiddler link"?
>
>
> Tags have many advantages that links do not have (out of the box) (toc 
> macro,tagging filter, colour coding, drop-down picker). but if we strip 
> them of these fancy cloths, are they any different than links?
>
> Maybe I am rambling now.. I properly managed to confuse myself. I look 
> forward to hearing your thoughts on this. 
>

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[tw5] Re: Providing a download link to complete wiki

Eric/myfta

Eric Thanks for this simple and elegant solution. I will just add this will 
not save recently edited and unsaved tiddlers. 

To do so you will need something like the "big green button" on 
Tiddlywiki.com which can be researched to make other alternatives which can 
include and exclude tiddlers including recently changed ones.

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 9:19:57 AM UTC+11, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 1:59:05 PM UTC-8, myfta wrote:
>>
>> The title asks the question: how do you provide a link for users to 
>> download complete copy of your TiddlyWiki?
>>
>
> Using standard HTML syntax:
> 
>download this file
> 
>
> Notes:
> * The "targetname.html" is a *suggested* filename for saving the 
> downloaded file.  Some platforms may ignore this value and assign their own 
> default filename.
> * If your browser is configured to "ask for filename", you will get a 
> platform-specific dialog box that will allow you to change the filename 
> and/or the folder in which the file will be stored.
> * Some older browser versions do not support use of the "download" 
> attribute.  See https://caniuse.com/#search=download for more info.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TW5 : Get unique values from nested lists output

Mat,

I also support something of the ilk of your suggestion Request: Memory 
variable filter ops #4452

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 4:36:04 PM UTC+11, Mat wrote:
>
> TonyM wrote:
>>
>> When I recently raised the push pop suggestion it was pointed out this 
>> kind of function works already. 
>>
>
> Not sure what "works already" would refer to. Storing and recalling 
> variables obviously works (just use e.g $set) - but my request is about 
> doing this directly inside/during the filter run. 
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: TW5 : Get unique values from nested lists output

Mat,

I did some more on this today. Basically having a macro which one passes a 
set of filters and they are automatically nested, to do this I need to push 
and pop each filter, using first and butfirst operators. However each 
filter must stand on its own and where necessary reference the nesting 
lists variable eg currentTiddler.

By building this I am creating a "meta filter", and using set in a 
recursive manner to push and pop.

As you can see from my example before I managed to place this example 
directly inside/during the filter run. But it is hard to generalise this to 
make it possible in every case. It would be nice to identify the gap and 
find an elegant way to do it. However perhaps a macro replacement for a 
list widget that can accept multiple filters and automatically nest them is 
an answer?

The use of +filters -filters and subfilters are also an option that can 
address this kind of issue, yet I am yet to uncover any universal patterns 
to use, to be able to use a single filter for nested problems.

Regards
Tony

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 4:36:04 PM UTC+11, Mat wrote:
>
> TonyM wrote:
>>
>> When I recently raised the push pop suggestion it was pointed out this 
>> kind of function works already. 
>>
>
> Not sure what "works already" would refer to. Storing and recalling 
> variables obviously works (just use e.g $set) - but my request is about 
> doing this directly inside/during the filter run. 
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Search and replace widget

Ruslan,

I have tiddlywiki in a business environment, but as is common for 
commercial software it contains a whole lot of commercial in confidence 
data, unless the solution is for public consumption they often can not be 
shared. The same happens for bespoke personal wikis, I think that may be 
why we do not see as many real world examples as we would like. 

I could however write a summary of the particular application for you, need 
to write one for myself anyway, but it only demonstrates a small subset of 
what can be achieved. Just ask.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 4:29:34 PM UTC+11, Ruslan Popov wrote:
>
> Tell all your friends about it so they can enjoy it too!
>>
>
> I will make a presentation for them. If you can recommend any materials 
> showcasing TW in a business environment - that may be helpful!
>
> It's been extremely helpful. At the same time, I think how it can further 
> be extended, for example support multiple users, and work with simple comma 
> or tab delimited datasets.
>

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[tw5] Re: New plugin: Highlight searched text

Bimlas,

Thanks so much for this, it is fantastic when writing complex macros and 
wiki text, to find, highlight and modify a variable name and its references 
for example.

I would like to see a method to bulk open the searched tiddlers so we can 
then see the exact text. I will possibly make it myself using a tiddler 
with the $:/tags/AdvancedSearch

I have developed a small set of standards I would like to introduce to the 
standard search such as allowing a system-caption on system tiddlers to be 
searched for and listed even when contained in a system tiddler. Thus for 
example simply typing highlight in the standard search would find 
$:/plugins/bimlas/highlight-searched-text 
if the plugin had a system-caption of Highlight searched text. This would 
allow people to find the plugin they just installed with a simple search, 
which is not possible give the standard search leaves out system tiddlers.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 6:46:44 PM UTC+11, bimlas wrote:
>
> New release: 0.4.0
>
>- Search was performed inside CodeMirror texteditor which caused RSOD:
>Uncaught IndexSizeError: Failed to execute 'setEnd' on 'Range': The 
>offset 281 is larger than the node's length (5).
>- Add option to change toolbar height and position
>
> https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-highlight-searched-text/
>

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

Bimlas 

My plugin TOC counting 
 do not 
work on your locator view. Could you give me some pointers, so I can modify 
it to work with the locator plugin?

the TOC counting l plugin adds a counter to the $:/core/macros/toc macro.

thanks

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[tw5] Re: Query: Legal TiddlyWiki Dates?

TT,

I advise against this, use a new field for the dates you want to back date. 
I do not think this additional field is unneeded, on the contrary it is 
needed in my view.

Why?

Because created date is an important record of when the tiddler was first 
created. One day it may get you out of a pickle because you can search for 
all this tiddlers you created in a batch on a particular date. It also 
supports recently created searches and a lot more potentially.

I am happy to share the tools and methods to make use of an additional date 
field.

In the same vein I put a journal-date field on my journals since the title 
is human readable it is useful having a date serial field for date range 
manipulation and more. In this case I may create a log entry for a past 
date and when I did this it is captured in the created date. I could list 
all journals that were "post dated" created after the day on which they 
represent.

Just a view point I feel duty bound to share.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 7:12:52 PM UTC+11, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> As part of creating tiddlers in "raw" format for direct insertion into TW 
> I am manipulating the "created" date.
>
> My question is this ...
>
> *What is the EARLIEST date you can enter? *
>
>
> I assume there will be a date calculation stats from in TW? (JS?)
>
> FYI, the way I am using it is to record historical dates without having to 
> use an additional unneeded field.
>
> Any help appreciated!
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)


>
> It seems that 2020 will be the year of renewal of the table of contents, 
> as many of you present new, innovative solutions in this area. Here's mine.
>
Indeed it seems, and thanks for mentioning my plugin in your demo page :). 
At some point, maybe we should make an effort to combine different plugins 
/ find duplicates / consider if some plugin features could be included in 
the core?? 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

Hi Bimlas
You have pushed your plugin in several threats and I finally got around to
look at it again. This is really great.

I am not sure why, but I still find it a little cryptic and I had to invest
some time to understand it. But I think it is a really powerful tool.
The video helps a lot. Thanks for taking the time to make it.

I think this is a big improvement from the last version. Great work. I like:

- The filter options. The old showing of tags took up a lot of space and
the new feature of sorting by any field you want, powerful!
- context setting/show links instead of tag - great way to see more
connections
- context settings/show fields/transclusion etc. this is also nice to
have the control in one place, but hard to use with a narrow sidebar (like
in the demopage)

problems

- colors. if you use a bit darker themes the text is hard to read some
palces ( see screenshot). if you (and every plugin) could choose colors
that follows the theme (like primary, links etc) instad of hardcoding the
colors, it would be great.
- maybe I did something wrong but I get a limitd search result in
locator. how come (see screenshot)?
- context settings/show fields/transclusion etc. is not that usefull if
you have a narrow sidebar. maybe you could make a button to pup out the
view in a tiddler in the story river or something
- you write you can use it to "*Create mindmaps". *That sound exiting
but I dont realy understand how. could you maybe give sime examples?

screenshot. see text and the limited search result

same search in normal search

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[tw5] Re: Summing values in fields

2020-02-13 Thread Eric Shulman

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 12:35:26 AM UTC-8, Jon wrote:
>
> is it possible to sum the values held in Field A wherever the field 
> exists, or do the individual tiddlers where it does appear, need to be 
> referenced?
>

Using filters, you can write:
<$list filter="[get[A]sum[]]" />

The get[A] operator retrieves a list of all values from all tiddlers that 
have a field named "A".
Then, the sum[] operator adds up all the retrieved values.

-e

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[tw5] Re: repeating Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'removeChild' of null

springer,

I don't know if the bug still occurs, but if so, try updating my plugin as 
it also caused RSOD (although it did conflict with the CodeMirror plugin 
that you don't have installed).

https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-highlight-searched-text/

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[tw5] Summing values in fields

2020-02-13 Thread Jon

Hi,

is it possible to sum the values held in Field A wherever the field exists, 
or do the individual tiddlers where it does appear, need to be referenced?

Regards
Jon

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[tw5] Re: Query: Legal TiddlyWiki Dates?

Repeat for email ...

On Thursday, 13 February 2020 09:12:52 UTC+1, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> As part of creating tiddlers in "raw" format for direct insertion into TW 
> I am manipulating the "created" date.
>
> My question is this ...
>
> *What is the EARLIEST date you can enter? *
>
>
> I assume there will be a date calculation stats from in TW? (JS?)
>
> FYI, the way I am using it is to record historical dates without having to 
> use an additional unneeded field.
>
> Any help appreciated!
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Query On "Insertion Point Location" in single file TW