[tw] End Users. Hymns ...

[Josiah]

Just a simple observation ... 

In the several months now I have been @TiddlyTweeter 
<https://twitter.com/TiddlyTweeter> the single most repeated interest in 
TiddlyWiki by end-users has come from GAMERS. 

Gamers find it excellent for planning game campaigns. Its flexibility 
matches their needs well.

Here is an example: RedDiceDiaries - Dungeon World Campaign 
<http://www.reddicediaries.com/DW_Wiki/>

I strongly suspect that IF more serious gamers knew of TiddlyWiki it could 
gain thousands more users.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Tablinks - to access the tid showing in the tab

[Josiah]

Footnote for Mat from Josiah

The machinations of dealing with the actual internet are often REALLY, 
REALLY, AWFUL.

"Web Standards" my ARSE. One of the greatest EUPHEMISMS in history.

Its a big reason I keep away from developing anything pretending its for 
anything other than for my old steam radio. 

There you are with a stellar working product. THEN get reduced to fiddling 
with all sorts of crap other people invented last week.

I often wonder how much money web-developers make from "exception 
handling". I'm sure it is quite a big portion of their income.

I feel for you.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Sunday, 5 March 2017 15:02:34 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> Aha! Turns out browsersniffing was implemented in 5.0.14 not coming 5.1.14 
> so it's already there. But it is a separate plugin which makes me 
> reluctant. Will need to ponder a bit as well as dig in to how you and Mario 
> solved this.
>
> <:-)
>

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Re: [tw] TWShell

[Josiah]

Ciao Oleg & Jeremy

Great thread. Love the detail. BOTH for its, well, details, but ALSO for 
instancing THE COMPLEXITY (aka richness).
 
On Sunday, 5 March 2017 09:38:00 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>
> Overall, I’d like to see TiddlyWiki better serve the needs of multiple 
> audiences:
>
> * commercial services for general users
> * easy Node.js app deployment for advanced DIY users
> * continued support for the standalone configuration in the browser for 
> most DIY users
>

Jeremy, simple question: are these THREE routes so identifiable publicly 
clear yet?

Best wishes
Josiah  

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[tw] Re: Toccata & Fugue

[Josiah]

>
> On Sunday, 5 March 2017 09:38:00 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> *Overall, I’d like to see TiddlyWiki better serve the needs of multiple 
>> audiences:*
>>
>> * commercial services for general users
>> * easy Node.js app deployment for advanced DIY users
>> * continued support for the standalone configuration in the browser for 
>> most DIY users
>>
>
Here's a little mix for that :-)

  https://youtu.be/WF34N4gJAKE

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Toccata & Fugue

[Josiah]

Sometimes Jack The TiddlyWiki Cat has moments of reflection & panic 
... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSMCRD35ch4


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[tw] Re: Toccata & Fugue

[Josiah]

Ciao Thomas

Your suggested tune, Tubular Bells 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7MY_cdUL1E=youtu.be>, is a very 
good aural fit for TiddlyWiki IMO.

On Twitter you pointed 
<https://twitter.com/telmiger/status/837212382208327681> also to the TiddlyWiki 
Jingle <https://musescore.com/user/3285/scores/792646?audio_source=796056> 
by Måns Mårtensson. That's a big band sound. It's fun!

Best wishes
Josiah

On Wednesday, 1 March 2017 23:40:20 UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Dear Josiah 
>
> Thank you for the invitation to come in—if, I am not sure, that was your 
> point or one of your points if there are any at all. 
>
> The system[1] suggested that I round off the experience with Mike: 
> https://youtu.be/l7MY_cdUL1E 
>
> A piece of art that speaks to me like tiddlers turned into sound[2] with a 
> slightly educative part towards the end of a longer journey. 
>
> Enjoy! 
> Thomas 
>
> [1] Youtube 
> [2] A plugin idea, but not for me, grab it if you are able. 
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Tablinks - to access the tid showing in the tab

[Josiah]

Ciao Mat & David

I used Mat's version a lot but got irritated it turned up on every tab. I 
only really wanted it for access to items I needed to constantly edit. 
David's moves in the direction to limit it to where you need it. I think 
that makes it more useful. (NOT dissing Mat in any way: it would not exist 
without him. x)

Suggestion: *Could it be configured to switch to edit-mode *and not just 
show the linked item if that were why you were using it?

Best wishes
Josiah

On Thursday, 2 March 2017 08:41:17 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> @Davi - great! And always flattering when people pick up on my ideas.
>
> I'm not 100% happy with my own solution so I'll try out yours, so thanks!
>
> <:-)
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 8:51:53 PM UTC+1, David Szego wrote:
>>
>> I just found this, and loved it so much I hacked it and made a proper 
>> plugin...
>>
>> Add the field:
>>
>> linktotiddler: true
>>
>> to any Sidebar Tiddler, and it will come up as:
>>
>> *TiddlerTab **  <http://david.cardo.wiki:8000/#Contents>*
>>
>> much like your version. I cleaned up the css a bit as well. Of course, I 
>> gave you proper attribution! Thanks for coming up with this!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [tw] Using TW as a professional webpage

[Josiah]

Just a side note ...

Sini-Kit is probably the best public example of how far you can get doing 
"static". Its very impressive.

Riz's recent experiment in generating blogs is very suggestive too.

IMO we don't make enough noise about the GENERATIVE capabilities of 
TiddlyWiki, i.e. being able to generate pages & sites. But the distinction 
that you either have a native (JS) TW OR a generated static (non-JS) seems 
to me to confuse the issue a bit. I see no fundamental reason why TW can't 
also be used to generate sites WITH javascript too. 

Best wishes
Josiah


On Thursday, 2 March 2017 10:36:26 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> The trouble with the word “static” is that it has several meanings 
> depending on ones frame of reference.
>
> Conventionally, a “static web page” is one that is served directly from 
> storage, with no processing on the server to customise the page. Ever 
> visitor gets the same file back when they request the page.
>
> In that sense, TiddlyWiki itself is a static web page; it’s one of 
> TiddlyWiki’s most important properties that it can be uploaded to the web 
> and it just works.
>
> But, we also use “static” in a slightly different, more browser-centric 
> sense, meaning a page with no JavaScript, or one that can be used 
> successfully with JavaScript turned off.
>
> TiddlyWiki is emphatically not a static page in that sense; the main HTML 
> file won’t load at all if JavaScript is not available.
>
> So, in TiddlyWiki, the distinction we emphasise is that between TiddlyWiki 
> itself running in a single HTML file, and “static pages” in the sense of 
> not needing JavaScript. As Thomas notes, static pages can be exported from 
> TiddlyWiki in the browser or under Node.js.
>
> Now, the advantages of exporting static pages are that:
>
> a) it’s easier for Google (and other search engines) to index the content
> b) the content will generally load faster because the file size is reduced 
> by jettisoning the TiddlyWiki core
> c) they will work with any browser on the planet, regardless of JavaScript 
> settings.
>
> For me, the sweet spot is being able to edit and curate content in the 
> full TiddlyWiki user interface, whilst giving readers the simplest possible 
> interface to navigate the results.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>
> On 2 Mar 2017, at 09:29, BJ <bugg...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> in this case static mean a page 'build from fixed html' - ie uses the 
> browser to parse html into a dom, as opposed to tiddlywiki that creates 
> (and recreates) the dom from a (dynamic) list of tiddlers.
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:24:41 AM UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>>
>> To be honest, no really great answer so far ;-) ...but, I guess the main 
>> point with a static TW is *faster/easier for the visitor to load*. 
>>
>> Wikipedia states:
>>
>> A *static web page* [...] is a web page that is delivered to the user 
>>> exactly as stored, in contrast to dynamic web pages which are generated by 
>>> a web application.
>>>
>>
>> But vanilla TW seems to qualify for both. So I wonder what disqualifies 
>> something in TW from being exported into static?
>>
>> * anything that relies on JavaScript
>>
>> ... more?
>>
>> And, for us mortals, what are the practical consequences; Which widgets 
>> are disabled? Other?
>>
>> BTW, this indicates it is a good idea to try to replace JS functionality 
>> in TW core with CSS (!) when possible. Comments on this - @Jermolene ?
>>
>>
>> Tobias wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Static means node generated sites [snip]
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure that's correct since single-file TW also can export static.
>>
>>
>> <:-)
>>
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[tw] Re: Toccata & Fugue

[Josiah]

Dear Michael & Max

I am most encouraged that you know to erect an edifice and then pull it 
down. Something that my music is about.

I have no idea what TiddlyWiki is but it looks bold. 

In this diminishing world of pastiche all I can do is offer the work COME 
IN! https://youtu.be/JtyNOfEIQSs

Vladimir Martynov, x

On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 23:49:53 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>
> Dear Max
>
> Even though I was behind you in time I love your TW music.
>
> I hope you see that I prefigured it all in *Counting The TiddlyWiki*. My 
> small contribution to our tradition is here: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHiJkLmclkA
>
> Michael Nyman, x
>
> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 23:34:18 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>>
>> Dear John
>>
>> Apart from the fact that neither you nor Philip Glass can spell UAKTI 
>> correctly, I think you both drifted too much away from empirical issues.
>>
>> I am doing important stuff integrating, then transcending, the 
>> Klinghoffer problem.
>>
>> Here is a sample of our important work on remixtures in TWMax: 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oYWfJuMGMA
>>
>> Max Richter, x 
>>
>> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 23:05:15 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Philip
>>>
>>> I fear your overlooked the macro of macros problem in TWUkati.
>>>
>>> Our shared trouble remains Klinghoffer. Here is a short report: 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RAE3fsDz0I.
>>>
>>> John Adams, x
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:51:09 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Kerll
>>>>
>>>> Wanting to affirm you. All macro problems were finally solved by me in 
>>>> TWUkati: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phsLu8oxDZ4
>>>>
>>>> Philip Glass, x
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:38:48 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Shirley, TW can ...
>>>>>
>>>>> ... listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOf4nD02sO0
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you got on TV too much over the centuries.
>>>>>
>>>>> my humble music offers satiation. AND relief on logistics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kerll, x 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:08:49 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9rZjlsyYY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TW is?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i am never quite sure whether its Toccata.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i am never quite sure whether its Fugue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but its shirley one or t'other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no software can be honestly both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bach, x
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[tw] Re: Toccata & Fugue

[Josiah]

Dear Max

Even though I was behind you in time I love your TW music.

I hope you see that I prefigured it all in *Counting The TiddlyWiki*. My 
small contribution to our tradition is here: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHiJkLmclkA

Michael Nyman, x

On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 23:34:18 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>
> Dear John
>
> Apart from the fact that neither you nor Philip Glass can spell UAKTI 
> correctly, I think you both drifted too much away from empirical issues.
>
> I am doing important stuff integrating, then transcending, the Klinghoffer 
> problem.
>
> Here is a sample of our important work on remixtures in TWMax: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oYWfJuMGMA
>
> Max Richter, x 
>
> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 23:05:15 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>>
>> Dear Philip
>>
>> I fear your overlooked the macro of macros problem in TWUkati.
>>
>> Our shared trouble remains Klinghoffer. Here is a short report: 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RAE3fsDz0I.
>>
>> John Adams, x
>>
>> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:51:09 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Kerll
>>>
>>> Wanting to affirm you. All macro problems were finally solved by me in 
>>> TWUkati: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phsLu8oxDZ4
>>>
>>> Philip Glass, x
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:38:48 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Shirley, TW can ...
>>>>
>>>> ... listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOf4nD02sO0
>>>>
>>>> I think you got on TV too much over the centuries.
>>>>
>>>> my humble music offers satiation. AND relief on logistics.
>>>>
>>>> Kerll, x 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:08:49 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> First: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9rZjlsyYY
>>>>>
>>>>> TW is?
>>>>>
>>>>> i am never quite sure whether its Toccata.
>>>>>
>>>>> i am never quite sure whether its Fugue.
>>>>>
>>>>> but its shirley one or t'other.
>>>>>
>>>>> no software can be honestly both.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bach, x
>>>>>
>>>>

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[tw] Re: Toccata & Fugue

[Josiah]

Dear John

Apart from the fact that neither you nor Philip Glass can spell UAKTI 
correctly, I think you both drifted too much away from empirical issues.

I am doing important stuff integrating, then transcending, the Klinghoffer 
problem.

Here is a sample of our important work on remixtures in TWMax: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oYWfJuMGMA

Max Richter, x 

On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 23:05:15 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>
> Dear Philip
>
> I fear your overlooked the macro of macros problem in TWUkati.
>
> Our shared trouble remains Klinghoffer. Here is a short report: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RAE3fsDz0I.
>
> John Adams, x
>
> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:51:09 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>>
>> Dear Kerll
>>
>> Wanting to affirm you. All macro problems were finally solved by me in 
>> TWUkati: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phsLu8oxDZ4
>>
>> Philip Glass, x
>>
>> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:38:48 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>>>
>>> Shirley, TW can ...
>>>
>>> ... listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOf4nD02sO0
>>>
>>> I think you got on TV too much over the centuries.
>>>
>>> my humble music offers satiation. AND relief on logistics.
>>>
>>> Kerll, x 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:08:49 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>>>>
>>>> First: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9rZjlsyYY
>>>>
>>>> TW is?
>>>>
>>>> i am never quite sure whether its Toccata.
>>>>
>>>> i am never quite sure whether its Fugue.
>>>>
>>>> but its shirley one or t'other.
>>>>
>>>> no software can be honestly both.
>>>>
>>>> Bach, x
>>>>
>>>

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[tw] Re: Toccata & Fugue

[Josiah]

Dear Philip

I fear your overlooked the macro of macros problem in TWUkati.

Our shared trouble remains Klinghoffer. Here is a short report: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RAE3fsDz0I.

John Adams, x

On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:51:09 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>
> Dear Kerll
>
> Wanting to affirm you. All macro problems were finally solved by me in 
> TWUkati: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phsLu8oxDZ4
>
> Philip Glass, x
>
> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:38:48 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>>
>> Shirley, TW can ...
>>
>> ... listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOf4nD02sO0
>>
>> I think you got on TV too much over the centuries.
>>
>> my humble music offers satiation. AND relief on logistics.
>>
>> Kerll, x 
>>
>> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:08:49 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>>>
>>> First: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9rZjlsyYY
>>>
>>> TW is?
>>>
>>> i am never quite sure whether its Toccata.
>>>
>>> i am never quite sure whether its Fugue.
>>>
>>> but its shirley one or t'other.
>>>
>>> no software can be honestly both.
>>>
>>> Bach, x
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Toccata & Fugue

[Josiah]

Dear Kerll

Wanting to affirm you. All macro problems were finally solved by me in 
TWUkati: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phsLu8oxDZ4

Philip Glass, x

On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:38:48 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>
> Shirley, TW can ...
>
> ... listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOf4nD02sO0
>
> I think you got on TV too much over the centuries.
>
> my humble music offers satiation. AND relief on logistics.
>
> Kerll, x 
>
> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:08:49 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>>
>> First: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9rZjlsyYY
>>
>> TW is?
>>
>> i am never quite sure whether its Toccata.
>>
>> i am never quite sure whether its Fugue.
>>
>> but its shirley one or t'other.
>>
>> no software can be honestly both.
>>
>> Bach, x
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Toccata & Fugue

[Josiah]

Shirley, TW can ...

... listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOf4nD02sO0

I think you got on TV too much over the centuries.

my humble music offers satiation. AND relief on logistics.

Kerll, x 

On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:08:49 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>
> First: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9rZjlsyYY
>
> TW is?
>
> i am never quite sure whether its Toccata.
>
> i am never quite sure whether its Fugue.
>
> but its shirley one or t'other.
>
> no software can be honestly both.
>
> Bach, x
>

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[tw] Toccata & Fugue

[Josiah]

First: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9rZjlsyYY

TW is?

i am never quite sure whether its Toccata.

i am never quite sure whether its Fugue.

but its shirley one or t'other.

no software can be honestly both.

Bach, x

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

[Josiah]

Ciao Thomas

*blushes*. That was likely one of my better more coherent moments. 

The ToDoNow plugin IS very good. It's on my desktop 24/7.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Saturday, 25 February 2017 00:49:34 UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Just a short note, most of all to Josiah who contributed a lot of ideas 
> and testing: My plugins are updated (and still worked in a first test). 
>
> ===
>
> *Listreveal*
> For my lists of tiddlers I made a special tool *listreveal* that
> a) lets you open listed tiddlers and see their tags and other details 
> (similar to the new tiddler manager but simpler)
> b) lets you add tags based on all tiddlers in the list with two clicks 
> (only suggestions, no input field) or remove tags from the tiddler
>
> ===
>
> *ToDoNow*
> Building up on lists from Listreveal I made this simple but effective 
> ToDo-App. Here’s what Josiah said about this 
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email_source=footer#!msg/tiddlywiki/_Fo9kpmfZc0/jE2Sxjs9AAAJ>
>  
> (thank you!): 
>
> I think its worth saying WHY it is good. #GTD functional design is not as 
>> easy as it first might look. What you really got right on this, for this 
>> specific type of GTD, IMO, is ..
>>
>>1. Clear, uncluttered, interface that gives an immediate OVERVIEW.
>>2. IN SITU TOOLS. In-line editing, deadline assignment & click 
>>prioritisation.That is so good because tasks stay in full CONTEXT.
>>3. Simple THREE SECTIONS (ActionNow, Tasks, Finished) with easy 
>>transfer between them
>>4. Overall SIMPLICITY & EFFICIENCY of functional use.
>>
>> ===
>
> After some major refactoring both plugins come with new features, short 
> readmes and with some new CSS-classes. 
>
> *As always: remember to back up your wikis before you try my stuff.*
>
> And as always you can find them here: 
> http://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html#Get%20More%20Plugins – and as always 
> feedback ist highly appreciated!
> (There are still some ideas from Josiah on my development todo list, but 
> please don’t hold your comments back.)
>
> Have a nice weekend!
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [tw] Re: [Concept] Bundle filter operator

[Josiah]

I have a semi-insane take on all this.

When I hear "bundles" I also hear the echo: "custom building" ... and "TW 
as a bundles-of-functions wrapper"

It seems to me that there is an implicit "broader aim" in this discussion 
that is not yet quite articulated.

>From the far side
Josiah

On Tuesday, 21 February 2017 18:08:26 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 10:41:10 AM UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mat
>>
>> Spontaneously, such a title link feels similar to a *tag pill* in that 
>>> it represents loose tiddlers. Tag pills are simple in all three listed 
>>> steps and the UI is minimal.
>>>
>>> Would an additional link "export all tiddlers" on the tag pill (at the 
>> bottom of the list) come close to your concept?
>>
>
> Interesting idea. Per se, I guess it would work but it would be a bit 
> cumbersome. Particularly if dragging from online TW to online TW, thus 
> being forced to go via local computer. 
>
> However, I wonder if it would be possible to *export to memory* to use it 
> as temporary storage and then paste the tiddlers into the new TW?
>
> ...or maybe it's possible to make something of the unofficial (or even 
> unintentional?) drag-to-bookmark possibility; i.e when you have set your 
> tiddler titles to show as links (Controlpanel > Settings) - you can then 
> drag a tiddlers title into the browser bookmarks field... and this actually 
> contans the tiddler. If you go to this bookmark you get a... is it a JSON 
> version of the tiddler? so maybe this could be made to contain multiple 
> tiddlers somehow or maybe the problem is still(?) having one link point 
> to several tiddlers...
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] plugins "FontAwesome" und "ThirdFlow" updated

[Josiah]

Stuff like this deserves UPvotes :-).

Josiah, x

On Thursday, 23 February 2017 18:33:48 UTC+1, TheDiveO wrote:
>
> After a long time away from TW5 I've finally managed to update my two 
> plugins so they work with the recent TW5 version 5.1.13:
>
>- the *FontAwesome* plugin now embedds font version 4.7.0 of the 
>incredibly useful "Font Awesome". Plugin download: 
>http://thediveo.github.io/TW5FontAwesome/ -- if you know FontAwesome 
>then you'll probably know what to do with this plugin.
>- the *ThirdFlow* plugin now works with TW 5.1.13 again, after I've 
>added a missing sync adaptor method. Plugin download: 
>http://thediveo.github.io/ThirdFlow/ -- this plugin helps with 
>developing TW5 plugins mainly from inside a TiddlyWiki itself.
>   - a local nodejs-based TW5 server neatly arranges your plugin 
>   tiddlers in folders, so you don't end up with a flat mess of source 
>   tiddlers you need to put into your source control system.
>   - a release script creates either just your plugin as a single .tid 
>   file for simple import, or a demo TW5 including your shiny plugin.
>   - a sidebar view offers a concise view on just your plugins as well 
>   as their contents.
>   
> Admittedly, I can't promise to have much time to work on and maintain 
> these plugins in the future, I've upgraded them, so I can use them for my 
> own work. Of course, pull requests are always appreciated.
>

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[tw] Re: Kinship, Genealogy & Family Trees ... Observations & Request

[Josiah]

Ciao David

Thanks!

I'll work-up a decent brief on this over the next few days. 

Best wishes
Josiah

On Wednesday, 22 February 2017 02:54:33 UTC+1, David Szego wrote:
>
> Being an amateur geneaologist, I'd be very interested in seeing your 
> formal procedure. FWIW, I currently use TW to index all of the LDS 
> microfilm scans with my ancestral records ... it would be great to be able 
> to import a GEDCOM, display it, and cross-reference the record to the 
> person, all in TW. 
>
> Maybe I'll tackle that after I'm finished Cardo 1.0! ;->
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>
>
> On Monday, 20 February 2017 11:10:49 UTC-5, Josiah wrote:
>>
>> It seems to me that genealogical trees should be doable in TW.
>>
>> I should emphasise I don't have the programming skill to actually do it.
>>
>> *But I thought others might find it an interesting delimited challenge.*
>>
>> WHY am I interested? Because I am an anthropologist. And anthropologists 
>> know lots about kinship systems. And TW could serve as an elegant, 
>> minimalist way to record and document kinship relationships, I believe.
>>
>> Kinship diagrams are in one way very easy. They are simply branching 
>> hierarchies of "DESCENT". BUT also central to them is the role of 
>> "AFFINITY" (marriage). 
>>
>> So what you have is a FUSION of DESCENT lines through MARRIAGE. So its 
>> never ONE descent line.
>>
>> This is why Mat's interesting recent experiment using forking lists 
>> () and smart CSS hits a limit. It can't cope with the  arbitrary 
>> crossing in of affines (relatives by marriage) who create ADDITIONAL 
>> HIERARCHIES.
>>
>> I'm sure there could be a way to do this in TW without having to resort 
>> to overly complex solutions. The logic in genealogical trees is not 
>> infinitely complex.
>>
>> If anyone is interested I can layout a formal procedure for constructing 
>> them anthropologists use.
>>
>> Technical note: Western style genealogical trees are generally presented 
>> TOP DOWN from ancestors. Anthropologist work from "EGO", i.e. a specific 
>> person and depict the relationships UP & DOWN from there. The final 
>> diagrams are IDENTICAL, but the mode of construction is different. Its 
>> perhaps worth noting that construction from "EGO" gives a very clear 
>> procedure because its always determinate.
>>
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Kinship, Genealogy & Family Trees ... Observations & Request

[Josiah]

Ciao PMario

Thanks for that link. I had a look. As is the diagram won't work because, 
though its a map of relationships, it doesn't differentiate "Descent" 
("blood lines") from "Affinity" (relationship through marriage). That 
differentiation is essential to presenting genealogical trees.

I don't think the issue is in TiddlyMap. Its more likely that the 
underlying JS library doesn't easily support the kind of diagramming needed.

But I will play with it a bit more to make sure. I'll come back when I'm 
clearer.

Thanks for your interest!!

Best wishes
Josiah 

On Monday, 20 February 2017 23:26:31 UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> tiddlymap.org may be of interest: 
> http://tiddlymap.org/#Using%20the%20Map%20Raster 
> In the map view select: FamilyTree. 
>
> -m
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[tw] Kinship, Genealogy & Family Trees ... Observations & Request

[Josiah]

It seems to me that genealogical trees should be doable in TW.

I should emphasise I don't have the programming skill to actually do it.

*But I thought others might find it an interesting delimited challenge.*

WHY am I interested? Because I am an anthropologist. And anthropologists 
know lots about kinship systems. And TW could serve as an elegant, 
minimalist way to record and document kinship relationships, I believe.

Kinship diagrams are in one way very easy. They are simply branching 
hierarchies of "DESCENT". BUT also central to them is the role of 
"AFFINITY" (marriage). 

So what you have is a FUSION of DESCENT lines through MARRIAGE. So its 
never ONE descent line.

This is why Mat's interesting recent experiment using forking lists () 
and smart CSS hits a limit. It can't cope with the  arbitrary crossing in 
of affines (relatives by marriage) who create ADDITIONAL HIERARCHIES.

I'm sure there could be a way to do this in TW without having to resort to 
overly complex solutions. The logic in genealogical trees is not infinitely 
complex.

If anyone is interested I can layout a formal procedure for constructing 
them anthropologists use.

Technical note: Western style genealogical trees are generally presented 
TOP DOWN from ancestors. Anthropologist work from "EGO", i.e. a specific 
person and depict the relationships UP & DOWN from there. The final 
diagrams are IDENTICAL, but the mode of construction is different. Its 
perhaps worth noting that construction from "EGO" gives a very clear 
procedure because its always determinate.


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[tw] Re: Creativity revival, and documentation idea

[Josiah]

the whole "documentation" thing is interesting. and frustrating. 

your ideas here say something important. 

in my mind (now) saying what "IT" is that is actually needed is actually 
quite difficult. There seem to be several levels.

1 - The "missing MANUAL" (aka hopes that Eric Shulman might get to a point 
be could publish one before my beard hits the floor :-)

2 - TRACKING. You are Absolutely Right that in the last few months there 
has been ENORMOUS innovations with TW. But the Google Group fog settles 
settles quickly and unless you are noting them at the time it treats 
everything the same and its a swamp that eats it all unless you downloaded 
things quick. This is a lot to do the fact its a really blunt instrument 
once something is not under active discussion.

3 - SHOWCASES. This is likely closest to what would help my cognitive 
style. I learn most from seeing FULL working TW's, not minimalist demos. I 
think its an area that is particularly weak.

4 - Your IN CONTEXT idea is interesting. But I don't think its workable for 
the main site. Not least because Mr JR does not, I think rightly, want to 
get too distracted by the burden of end-user oriented documentation. As far 
as I read that site its about fundamental logics. Parts of it are 
naive-user friendly, much of of it isn't and probably should not be.

Just thoughts
Josiah

On Monday, 20 February 2017 14:54:31 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Just a word of thanks to everyone who has been creating all this good 
> stuff recently for TiddlyWiki: details, presentations, next/previous 
> navigation, tweets, family trees, etc etc, my list of Firefox bookmarks of 
> things to experiment with later in TiddlyWiki is getting full. Fun time to 
> be into TiddlyWiki, and I hope it really takes off this time. Every time 
> people start talking about documentation, I start wishing I had more time 
> and energy, so I could do a TW5 version of TiddlyWiki for the rest of us, 
> or a few tutorials on setting up a TiddlyWiki for this or that use case. 
>
> One idea for documentation might be to have popups, in tiddlywiki.com 
> only, not on empty.html, that overlay each shadow tiddler when it is 
> opened, and explain it: 
>
> "You just opened the shadow tiddler $:/tags/ViewTemplate. The list field 
> of this tiddler controls the order in which items are shown when a tiddler 
> is in view mode. For example, a tiddler's tags are viewed below the tiddler 
> title but above the contents of the tiddler. 
>
> To rearrange the position of existing items, edit $:/tags/ViewTemplate and 
> reorder the items in the list field to your liking. If you create a custom 
> tiddler with the tag $:/tags/ViewTemplate, and would like to control where 
> it appears on tiddlers in view mode, insert that tiddler's title in the 
> appropriate place of the list field of the tiddler $:/tags/ViewTemplate. If 
> that tiddler's title is more than one word, you will need to enclose the 
> title with double brackets [[ ]]. 
>
> Be aware that any changes that TiddlyWiki makes to this shadow tiddler in 
> the future will not be applied to your altered version of it. Also, by 
> altering this tiddler, it will now appear in the list of systems tiddlers 
> (Sidebar > More tab > System tab)
>
> (X) Close this explanation"
>
> I have a feeling that doing this would bloat tiddlywiki.com. Perhaps 
> there could be a tiddlywiki.com/tutorial.html with this kind of thing in 
> it. Just a thought.
>
> Blessings to everyone,
>
> Dave
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] How Do I Create a Powerpoint-style Presentation in TiddlyWiki5?

[Josiah]

Jed & Mat

I am absolutely convinced that TW could be used to replace the Flash 
Galleries I currently use (a couple of e.g. 
http://www.weyersberg.ws/works/identity/gal-1/ and  
http://www.weyersberg.ws/works/diavoli/gal-1/)

The reason why I want to is creating flash galleries is a PITA. They are 
are not easy to revise and cross platform issues get very difficult.

I'm not there yet but the things you have done are helping me get clearer 
about what to do.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Monday, 20 February 2017 13:44:20 UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I made a simple photo gallery thing here (
> http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/PhotoGallery/), I think that the 
> forward/backward headers could pretty easily be modified to fit in with 
> what Mat made to make something that looks much better than mine.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] How Do I Create a Powerpoint-style Presentation in TiddlyWiki5?

[Josiah]

Love the FULL-SCREEN-NESS!

Small points. 

1 - BETWEEN slides the normal layout flashes in for a moment.

2 - Partially a question: IF this also had (on hover) navigation buttons it 
could be generalised for a image gallery navigator?

Best wishes
Josiah 

On Saturday, 18 February 2017 23:01:37 UTC+1, TiddlyTalker wrote:
>
> I have read various tutorials, tips and tricks. But I can't seem to 
> understand it.
>
> So far, I've understood that there are different ways to create a 
> slideshow presentation, but that's about it.
>
> What I'm trying to do is embed a slideshow presentation into a single 
> tiddler, so that I don't have to open a tiddler every time I switch to a 
> different slide in the presentation.
>
> How do I do this?
>
> I would like to embed an OpenOffice presentation that can be overwritten 
> in the tiddler (in case I need to modify it). Or better yet, some sort of 
> native TiddlyWiki5 slideshow tool that can be modified in the TW5 
> environment.
>
> Keep in mind, I'm relatively new to HTML, and haven't yet learned CSS, 
> Javascript, or any other type of coding.
>
> Thank you for your consideration!
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [Concept] Bundle filter operator

[Josiah]

Ciao Jeremy & twMat

A footnote on plugins from how I see them. When I install a plugin I 
consider this a SACRED ACT :-). By which I mean it is someone else's work I 
benefit from. That is always at the back of my mind. 

In what you seem to be suggesting is being able to freely mess with 
grannies' underwear :-). Perhaps you all do it already and I'm simply out 
of the loop? :-).

More seriously, there seems something important around the whole rigmarole 
of creating a plugin in the first place and making clear WHO it is by? 
Disassembling that notion of "integrity" seems slightly at odds with 
current established practice? 

Thoughts
Josiah 



On Monday, 20 February 2017 09:41:18 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi twMat
>
> One major reason is because it would make it easier to create applications 
> (editions?) and serve *sample content*. For instance, a cook-book theme 
> or plugin could be complimented with various dishes, but the end user 
> should be able to easily delete or exchange ingredients. As it stands now, 
> plugins don't allow for deleting of its component tiddlers and forcing a 
> user to individually drag'n drop individual ingredients into his/her TW is 
> just bad. I mean.. imagine dropping eggs on your TW!!!
>
>
> There’s nothing to stop TiddlyWiki supporting deleting tiddlers within 
> plugins. It’s not there simply because it doesn’t make sense for our 
> current usecases (it would lead to forking where people had incompatible 
> “edits” of the same plugin, and would make upgrading more complex).
>
> Functionally, it still reads to me that you are arguing for more flexible 
> plugin-related features, and are not making a case for an entirely new 
> mechanism.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> <:-)
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[tw] Re: [Concept] Bundle filter operator

[Josiah]

Ciao twMat

I don't understand the underlying mechanics of TW that well so only partly 
grasp what you are talking about. BUT IF an implication is to be able to 
build "PICK 'N MIX" TiddlyWikis with variant content and plugins (i.e. 
operational features) I'm keen on that idea. Mainly because it could help 
showcase what it can do & quickly produce variant version combos for 
different AUDIENCES? 

But, can't this, in theory, be done already?

Best wishes
Josiah

On Sunday, 19 February 2017 23:20:56 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> Still dreaming about this.
>
> One major reason is because it would make it easier to create applications 
> (editions?) and serve *sample content*. For instance, a cook-book theme 
> or plugin could be complimented with various dishes, but the end user 
> should be able to easily delete or exchange ingredients. As it stands now, 
> plugins don't allow for deleting of its component tiddlers and forcing a 
> user to individually drag'n drop individual ingredients into his/her TW is 
> just bad. I mean.. imagine dropping eggs on your TW!!!
>
> <:-)
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[tw] Re: Cardo beta release

[Josiah]

Ciao David

Looking even better ... It's impressive. 

I would use it for complex projects. I have a couple of comments I think 
worth saying ...

In some ways Cardo is approaching facility for full Project Planning 
Frameworks. By which I mean the widely used methodology used for large 
projects where you need to track "inputs" and "outputs" for concordance 
with "objectives". Some documentation is here, with an example: 
 
http://wikiciv.org.rs/images/3/39/Logical_framework-CentreForInternationalDevelopmentAndTraining.pdf.
 
Whilst it may look as if this is just for overseas development projects the 
methodology is widely used, in part, or whole, in many fields. IMO its the 
hidden side of GTD's that has not been that explicitly developed yet. Part 
of the problem with rich GTD's is its possible to lose the wood for the 
trees. The centrality of objectives is, well, central. I like the look of 
Cardo because it seems on the right track regarding that issue. And Logical 
Project Frameworks are complementary to that.

Small point on the "Books" thing. Just a thought, but why not generalise 
that to "Resources"? A film could be just as relevant. Or a repository of 
knowledge on-line. Or a list of experts to consult etc. As is, "Books" 
stands out as a bit of an anomalous thing in it :-). 

Best wishes
Josiah



On Monday, 20 February 2017 00:23:40 UTC+1, David Szego wrote:
>
> Last but not least... Final Beta! (I think.)
>
> I've squashed all the bugs I've found and any reported to me, and added 
> everything I need to be satisfied that this is "feature complete"*
>
> * Not counting Cardo Email Tiddlers via IMAP proxy. That's going to be a 
> 1.1 release. Also, I might add Meeting reminders. No, feature-creep really 
> never ends, does it!
>
> So please grab the latest revision of the plugin and theme, from 
> http://cardo.wiki 
> and give it a spin.
>
> Changelog:
>
> - *1.0β7 (19 Feb 2017):*
>
>- Added: Reminders are now triggered (as Modals) when changing to the 
>Review sidebar. Maybe too annoying?
>- Added: Snooze button on Reminders (when fired as modals) - will 
>prevent firing for rest of day (Less annoying)
>- Added: Focus selector (global) on all dashboards (great if sidebar 
>not visible, or on tablet/phone)
>- Added: Help for all types of items - click the *[?]* at the top 
>right of Tasks, Projects, etc.
>- Fixed: Reference list now scrolling (in Project dashboard), tweaked 
>width and made title static
>- Fixed: Project details weren't setting new Important Tasks properly
>- Fixed: ProjectTeamList wasn't changing roles correctly
>- Fixed: Focusing on "All" now shows all items (including unassigned 
>ones), focusing on Realm shows Realm + all child Areas
>- Fixed: Added focus to all appropriate lists
>- Fixed: New tasks set Arena to Unassigned if All is in focus
>- Fixed: New Person added to project from Project dashboard
>- Fixed: Agenda Items now selected and added properly
>- Fixed: New sidebar buttons assign shown Arena
>- Fixed: All "New" buttons now assign parent arena
>- Removed: "Rescheduled" meeting status - redundant
>
> *1.0β6a (13 Feb 2017):*
>
>- 6a: Tweaks to code blocks, external links in theme and palettes
>- 6a: Included forgotton Book Library Tiddler
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[tw] Re: twitter comments

[Josiah]

Jed's thing is good. But also this Presenting Tweet 


On Saturday, 18 February 2017 18:47:12 UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
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> This may help a bit. http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#Twitter%20Plugin
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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlerWidget - formulate what it does!

[Josiah]

Ciao PMario

Fascinating thread. I perhaps read it a bit different than others.

*I find you "hit a nail on the head" about it not being intended to be that 
visible to "end users".*

My question is: WHO are the "end users"? :-)

I hope its not just only the people here in this group :-). Lovely as they 
are.

Best wishes
Josiah

PMario wrote:
>
> The main problem is, that widgets are the primary building elements for 
> TiddlyWiki. But they weren't intended to be so visible to "end users" as 
> they actually are.
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Re: [tw] [TW5] Saving on Sharepoint Online

[Josiah]

Just a footnote

WebDAV is nice. I've used it in the past with drag & drop into a local 
directory that then securely synced files onto the host. But my hosting 
service now requires extra payment for access to it. My impression is 
WebDAV, because of Dropboxes & Drives has kinda got a bit sidelined. As an 
idiot (:-)) I found it very easy to use and robust.

On Thursday, 16 February 2017 16:13:21 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Tom
>
> Unfortunately it doesn't works with 'OneDrive.' It either tries to 
> download the file or displays a preview of the source code. This is a 
> restriction imposed by Microsoft, while it is technically possible that 
> they cloud change it, they probably won't.
>
> However it does works with 'OneDrive for Business,' which is a different, 
> separate product and basically is a SharePoint list with a custom interface.
>
> (To clarify, I am  not  using Windows; but Office365 (which includes Azure 
> Active Directory) inside my web browser)
>
>
> Thanks for the additional information.
>
> However I would be cautious with SharePoint Online, as I do not remember 
> changing any file permissions and a few months ago it wasn't saving inside 
> the web browser. Therefore Microsoft must have changed/updated something. 
> And if they lifted some restriction then they can also undo it when they 
> wish.
>
>
> Are those file permissions something that end users can change? Saving 
> being enabled by default might well be a poor option for many situations.
>
> So you are saying that all one needs is a server (like Apache) that 
> supports WebDAV and it will save over its own HTML file, possibly after 
> entering credentials, right?
>
>
> Yes, that’s correct. It’s pretty cool, albeit a shame that it is not more 
> widely supported (eg by Dropbox)
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> Tom
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[tw] Re: Suggestions ... Hopes ... Dreams ... (aka Houston: awaiting lift off)

[Josiah]

Ciao PMario

Good answer.

My issue is I don't feel up to Github. It needs you to be precise. 

Josiah

On Tuesday, 14 February 2017 22:01:44 UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 6:13:55 PM UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>>
>> I miss that there is no ongoing thread here for suggestions. This is my 
>> tuppence worth. PLEASE correct me if I got things wrong and its done 
>> already and i will excise myself ...
>>
>
> There actually are some issues labeled improvement 
> <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues?page=1=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Aimprovement>and
>  
> some labeled new feature 
> <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Anewfeature>at
>  
> github. IMO pull requests and +1 reactions are very welcome. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
> PS: And when you are at it, you can "star" the tiddlywiki project, to push 
> it a little bit. 
>
>
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Re: [tw] Re: Suggestions ... Hopes ... Dreams ... (aka Houston: awaiting lift off)

[Josiah]

Ciao David

Exactly that. Or a delimiter like "///" needed between the two on strings 
on "before and after" Snippets.  

On Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:04:15 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Ah, gotcha. Where you push the button and get input boxes for both the 
> before and after text...
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Josiah <prog...@assays.tv > 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks. That IS a useful tip. I was hoping for generic for that: not a 
>> specific limited to one pair of strings, which is what I think you mean? 
>> Do, please, correct me if I got this wrong.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:33:54 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> By coping with before and after you mean you want custom tools that wrap 
>>> a selected text. That is doable. You can create a custom wrap button for 
>>> your editor toolbar by cloning the shadow tiddler for the button for bold 
>>> or italic, and changing the text to be inserted before and after, and to 
>>> replace the button icon.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 11:13:55 AM UTC-6, Josiah wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I miss that there is no ongoing thread here for suggestions. This is my 
>>>> tuppence worth. PLEASE correct me if I got things wrong and its done 
>>>> already and i will excise myself ...
>>>>
>>>> *EDITOR*
>>>>
>>>>- That the already  excellent "stamp/snip" tool is enhanced so that 
>>>>it can cope with BEFORE & AFTER. Meaning you highlight what you want to 
>>>>change and it inserts boilerplate before and after the highlighted 
>>>> text. 
>>>>The same as the other controls like bold and italic do. IF the "Snip" 
>>>> tool 
>>>>could be enhanced with this I really think it could improve 
>>>> productivity. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>- That the editor has a NOTE THIS TIDDLER button (noting the full 
>>>>title). Why? So that in editing OTHER tiddlers you can have a drop down 
>>>>that will insert either the LINK to the Tiddler noted OR the basic code 
>>>> for 
>>>>a TRANSCLUSION of it.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>> Josiah
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[tw] Re: Suggestions ... Hopes ... Dreams ... (aka Houston: awaiting lift off)

[Josiah]

I was not clear enough.

Take the case ... you want to INSERT the title of a another tiddler 
(normally either as at a link OR a transclusion) in the one you are 
currently editing a but can't quite remember it ... so, you go out of the 
editor to find its title ... 

In my use case there are many, though finite numbers, of Tiddlers I 
constantly link to of transclude. I just thought that being able to ADD the 
current tiddler you are editing to a "favourites" list (to insert elsewhere 
later) could ease the hassle of this process later.

Am I clear enough yet? 

On Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:42:30 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> I am not following you on the second idea. It sounds like you want a 
> button that will in a sense pin the title of a frequently used tiddler to 
> the editor interface, for quick pasting into other tiddlers. I use an 
> edittemplate tiddler to do this. Edit a tiddler at my 
> http://giffmex.org/mn.html and you will see the window above the editor 
> buttons. I use it to paste the sources of quotes from books I read, but you 
> could put any kind of text there that you want handily available. The 
> tiddler for this is 
> $:/.giffmex/Source 
> Also, see $:/.giffmex/EditorToolbar/Wrap/Greek in that same link above, as 
> an example of an editor toolbar button I made to wrap selected text with 
> CSS.
>
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 11:13:55 AM UTC-6, Josiah wrote:
>>
>> I miss that there is no ongoing thread here for suggestions. This is my 
>> tuppence worth. PLEASE correct me if I got things wrong and its done 
>> already and i will excise myself ...
>>
>> *EDITOR*
>>
>>- That the already  excellent "stamp/snip" tool is enhanced so that 
>>it can cope with BEFORE & AFTER. Meaning you highlight what you want to 
>>change and it inserts boilerplate before and after the highlighted text. 
>>The same as the other controls like bold and italic do. IF the "Snip" 
>> tool 
>>could be enhanced with this I really think it could improve productivity. 
>>
>>
>>- That the editor has a NOTE THIS TIDDLER button (noting the full 
>>title). Why? So that in editing OTHER tiddlers you can have a drop down 
>>that will insert either the LINK to the Tiddler noted OR the basic code 
>> for 
>>a TRANSCLUSION of it.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Suggestions ... Hopes ... Dreams ... (aka Houston: awaiting lift off)

[Josiah]

Thanks. That IS a useful tip. I was hoping for generic for that: not a 
specific limited to one pair of strings, which is what I think you mean? 
Do, please, correct me if I got this wrong.

On Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:33:54 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> By coping with before and after you mean you want custom tools that wrap a 
> selected text. That is doable. You can create a custom wrap button for your 
> editor toolbar by cloning the shadow tiddler for the button for bold or 
> italic, and changing the text to be inserted before and after, and to 
> replace the button icon.
>
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 11:13:55 AM UTC-6, Josiah wrote:
>>
>> I miss that there is no ongoing thread here for suggestions. This is my 
>> tuppence worth. PLEASE correct me if I got things wrong and its done 
>> already and i will excise myself ...
>>
>> *EDITOR*
>>
>>- That the already  excellent "stamp/snip" tool is enhanced so that 
>>it can cope with BEFORE & AFTER. Meaning you highlight what you want to 
>>change and it inserts boilerplate before and after the highlighted text. 
>>The same as the other controls like bold and italic do. IF the "Snip" 
>> tool 
>>could be enhanced with this I really think it could improve productivity. 
>>
>>
>>- That the editor has a NOTE THIS TIDDLER button (noting the full 
>>title). Why? So that in editing OTHER tiddlers you can have a drop down 
>>that will insert either the LINK to the Tiddler noted OR the basic code 
>> for 
>>a TRANSCLUSION of it.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>>

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[tw] Suggestions ... Hopes ... Dreams ... (aka Houston: awaiting lift off)

[Josiah]

I miss that there is no ongoing thread here for suggestions. This is my 
tuppence worth. PLEASE correct me if I got things wrong and its done 
already and i will excise myself ...

*EDITOR*

   - That the already  excellent "stamp/snip" tool is enhanced so that it 
   can cope with BEFORE & AFTER. Meaning you highlight what you want to change 
   and it inserts boilerplate before and after the highlighted text. The same 
   as the other controls like bold and italic do. IF the "Snip" tool could be 
   enhanced with this I really think it could improve productivity. 


   - That the editor has a NOTE THIS TIDDLER button (noting the full 
   title). Why? So that in editing OTHER tiddlers you can have a drop down 
   that will insert either the LINK to the Tiddler noted OR the basic code for 
   a TRANSCLUSION of it.

Best wishes
Josiah

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Character Counter for Editor(s)

[Josiah]

Its really useful. Thanks you and Jed!

Not sure if its possible to have a "Twitter Mode"? This would calculate an 
https url (whatever its length) as 23 characters and add that to the total.

Would be great for folk like me who are active Twitter posters.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Monday, 13 February 2017 20:52:08 UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
>
> Just wanted to let you know that there is a new version 0.3.2 of the 
> plugin at http://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html#EditorCounter 
>
> Besides some minor technical improvements it features now
> * a character counter for the title
> * a word counter for the text
> * a settings tiddler where you can choose which counters you want to see
> * a readme with proper credits for Jed
>
> Let me know if there is anything else I could improve!
>
> Thank you and all the best, 
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[tw] Re: Cardo beta release

[Josiah]

Ciao David

That's developing into an amazing bit of kit!

FWIW, its been interesting to encounter both your CARDO and Thomas E's 
TODONOW in parallel. 

TBH, Cardo is not for me daily. The minimalism of ToDoNow better suits my 
practice. Though if I ever run again a very complex project requiring 
multiple levels of "tracking" of people and events Cardo would definitely 
be a top runner. It also shows how astonishing what you can do with TW is!

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: The RICHNESS is awesomely overwhelming ...

[Josiah]

Ciao Arlen, Tobias & All

Arlen, thanks for doing that! Its a step.

Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> So, this place could be the "let's collect it all" one an things that are 
> ripe for stage might move to tiddlywiki.com.
>

To me, that makes great sense. It helps bring out that many significant new 
initiatives are "in between" (liminal). Its precisely these "early & 
mid-stage" things I feel often fall victim to "Google Fog" that deserve 
lifting out of it.

Some will get to the point that they deserve explicitly moving to 
tiddlywiki.com. Others not, but still interesting and great to have noted 
somewhere in a way that you don't have to grope in the dark to (re)discover 
and LEARN from them and perhaps take them forward.

I guess an issue, one that I can see others have (for real reasons) 
struggled with, is HOW to do this in a way that is sustainable--i.e. 
requiring the minimal effort for demonstrable gain.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Update 1 - TiddlyWiki StackExchange

[Josiah]

Ciao Arlen

I have held off replying till I got a bit clearer. I have a few comments 
now ...

1 - *IF it can be got to work I think it would really help*. The 
questioning system and upvoting on StackExchange looks *very good indeed*.

2 - My reservation is whether it will ever fruit. This is because ...

StackExchange is VERY hard to get up and running. Its because of the 
complex numbers game it insists on, in some ways for good reasons. But is, 
maybe in OUR case, a bit of a barrier. 

I think it disadvantages small groups like this in us not being able to 
form the necessary leverage in a timely fashion.

I am sceptical there are ENOUGH active users here who ALSO want to go for 
it to get it over the needed edge???

Perhaps LONG TERM? I note that some StackExchange groups take a couple of 
years to form viably.

3 - Finally, I have reservations about moderation. Perhaps paranoid. But as 
far as I understand it, people who have no experience of TiddlyWiki could 
end up involved in moderating the group?

Best wishes
Josiah



On Wednesday, 1 February 2017 04:36:02 UTC+1, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>  Just a little update on the progress of the proposal. We already know 
> what kind of questions we want on here, and right now we are about half way 
> to our goal. 
>
> We have 81 followers, but only 21 questions with 10 votes. We need 40 
> questions. 
>
> If you have not done so yet, sign up or log in and then vote up five good 
> questions that have a current score less than 10.
>
> The more people the merrier, so keep spreading the word. The more people 
> follow, the more people will vote on questions. 
>
> Jesus peace be with you,
> -Arlen
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[tw] Re: [TW5] New SaveTrail plugin, for everyone suitably paranoid about data loss

[Josiah]

Ciao Jeremy

PLEASE don't limit this to the Paranoid. The Terminally Lazy, Do It Later, 
Backup Crowd, like me, could benefit too.

Josiah  

On Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:48:44 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Inspired by Thomas Elmiger, I’ve just pushed a new plugin that causes 
> TiddlyWiki to continuously save the contents of each tiddler that is 
> changed as a JSON file. Configured correctly, the browser will download the 
> files silently in the background, and they can be used as a backup in case 
> of accidental data loss.
>
> The files are saved with filenames of the form 
> “HelloThere.20170204171837889.json”. It works with the single file edition 
> or under Node.js.
>
> There are settings to temporarily disable the plugin and to adjust the 
> filter used to determine which tiddlers are saved. There’s also a setting 
> to enable automatic saving for draft tiddlers; this setting should be 
> considered for the truly paranoid because it is liable to save a large 
> number of files while you are typing.
>
> The plugin is installed but disabled on the prerelease (it won’t be loaded 
> by default in the final release). Give it a try there:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/index.html
>
> Just be sure to configure your browser to download files silently, and 
> visit the control panel to enable the setting (see below).
>
> Questions or thoughts welcome.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
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[tw] The RICHNESS is awesomely overwhelming ...

[Josiah]

In the past few months there has been a LOT of innovation with TW. Some of 
it quite radical. Most of it interesting. A lot of it may get lost in the 
advancing, perpetual fog of Goggle that eclipses anything not currently 
active.

There has been SO MUCH innovation its been very difficult to keep up.

I should perhaps revisit the long recent thread on "Documentation" needs I 
started to re-explain that part of the problem as I now see it ...

... is HAVING FLAGS of SIGNIFICANT EVOLVING INITIATIVES so you can keep up

Whilst the initiative for StackOverflow is excellent, I don't think its 
gonna address that particular BIG issue.

Best wishes
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[tw] Re: T-blog project: Traditional blogs / Disqus integration / 5 themes.

[Josiah]

Whoa! Brilliant!

I'm a gonna play with this and hope to give you more detailed feedback in a 
few days when I understand it better.

It's a VERY interesting experiment in using TW to produce elegant output 
pages without cruft. That is a huge potential userbase.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 6:08:01 AM UTC+1, Riz wrote:
>
>
> Hi Mat
>
>> Sorry if my point doesn't fit the premises (I don't know), but don't 
>> forget the standard UI to change themes in TW via the Controlpanel. 
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>
>
> Hi Mat,
>
> Actually we are not trying to create themes - we are trying to create 
> custom export format 
> <http://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20a%20custom%20export%20format>. Let me 
> demonstrate it a bit. Drag and drop the attached JSON to one of your 
> tiddlywikis (the usual html tiddlywiki). Now pick a tiddler in your 
> tiddlywiki randomly - and export the tiddler. From the export dropdown, 
> select the option "Attila Blog Template". As you can probably see, it will 
> be styled as a blog post html file. This is what we are trying to achieve.  
>

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[tw] Re: xlsx imports - new demo

[Josiah]

ciao Steve

its great to see that. thank you.

the BIG QUESTION I have is  how well TiddlyWiki can cope with HUGE 
datasets. (Not so much a TW limitation as browser performance issues). 

It seems to me there are two facets to this ...

1 - sheer data VOLUME

2 - role of active DYNAMISM in performance

Its great to see an example at decent scale like this to begin to address 
those questions.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 9:28:27 PM UTC+1, stevesuny wrote:
>
> Hello Folks,
>
> I've had a chance to play more with the xlsx import 
> <http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/editions/xlsx-utils/> (available in 
> pre-release) and have build a new demo based on a spreadsheet containing 
> the names of 7000+ world cities, each with their province and country (and 
> some other data). As you'll see in the demo, I use the opportunity to 
> create tiddlers based on cities, provinces and countries, and use the 
> importing tool to establish tags and tiddler fields. It works well. The 
> logic is interesting, and I'll be working on more complex imports over the 
> next few weeks, but wanted to share this with others here:
>
>
> https://designwritestudio.updog.co/skunkworks/xlsx-imports/world-cities-demo.html
>
> Comments, please. And, perhaps, share other uses of xlsx import in reply 
> to this thread? I'm interested to see different ways of interpreting 
> spreadsheets in TiddlyWiki.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> //steve.
>
>
> Notes:
> 1 - this wiki is part of the DesignWriteStudio (
> https://designwritestudio.updog.co 
> <https://designwritestudio.updog.co/skunkworks/xlsx-imports/world-cities-demo.html>
>  
> - the place to for TiddlyWiki learners, and for those wanting to work with 
> TiddlyWiki learners.
>
> 2 - served via updog, in this case, google drive. http://updog.co
>
>
> <https://designwritestudio.updog.co/skunkworks/xlsx-imports/world-cities-demo.html>
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Re: [tw] Re: Sticky editortoolbar

[Josiah]

Ciao all, 

A general comment on CSS position: sticky. So long as you use it to assist 
simple keeping of things like top bars or edit bars on screen it works 
really well in supported browsers. AND it degrades WELL in browsers that 
don't. I have yet to see it fouling anything up.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Is there a way to customise the ORDER of fields in the EDITOR?

[Josiah]

Jed & PMario

That helps. And looks like enough to do it. HOW I manage to do it is 
another issue :-). But can wait till I hit concrete problems.

Thank you!

Best wishes
Josiah

On Sunday, 29 January 2017 12:35:59 UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
> On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 12:17:20 PM UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> I am sure you could edit the edit templates to make this work, but I 
>> think that it would be better to just make a form to edit the tiddler 
>> fields you want to edit and then you can put things in whatever order you 
>> want.
>>
>
> As Jed pointed out, you can change 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FEditTemplate%2Ffields there 
> is a +sort[title].
>
> The problem is, that there is _no_ other parameter you can use for 
> sorting. Fields are no tiddlers. So there is no meta data, like "modified" 
> or "modifier", that could be used  for sorting. 
>
> It would be possible, that you add one tiddler per field-name, tag them, 
> and use the tag-tiddler's list field for sorting 
> <http://tiddlywiki.com/#ListField>. ... but that's probably not what you 
> want. .. It depends on the number of different fields, that you have. If 
> there are just a view, it would be easy that way. .. but still needs to 
> modify the edit template. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
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[tw] Is there a way to customise the ORDER of fields in the EDITOR?

[Josiah]

Ciao all

I found myself labelling fields ...

b1-booktitle: 
b2-bookchapter: 
g1-globalindex: 
g2-wordcount:
... etc ...

This is to get them in the right order in the editor. 

Is there a way order them without me having to add prefixes?

Best wishes
Josiah


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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Character Counter for Editor(s)

[Josiah]

Whoops. I just sent a blank post :-(. Sorry.

Jeremy

I noticed that with links. I think the other cases are of slightly less 
concern unless you doing a lot of "combined" characters. I have no idea 
what happens in complex pictographic written languages.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Thursday, 26 January 2017 19:11:28 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> It's worth noting that Twitter's tweet length rules are somewhat 
> counter-intuitive; a straightforward character count isn't sufficient. 
> Issues include links, which always count as 23 characters, even if the link 
> is shorter than 23 characters, and the reliably confusing multi-byte 
> character issues:
>
> https://dev.twitter.com/basics/counting-characters
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Character Counter for Editor(s)

[Josiah]

On Thursday, 26 January 2017 19:11:28 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> It's worth noting that Twitter's tweet length rules are somewhat 
> counter-intuitive; a straightforward character count isn't sufficient. 
> Issues include links, which always count as 23 characters, even if the link 
> is shorter than 23 characters, and the reliably confusing multi-byte 
> character issues:
>
> https://dev.twitter.com/basics/counting-characters
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> --
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> jer...@jermolene.com 
> http://jermolene.com
>
> On 26 Jan 2017, at 14:52, Josiah <prog...@assays.tv > wrote:
>
> Ciao Jed
>
> Thank you. Very, very helpful!
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Thursday, 26 January 2017 15:27:09 UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> I made the same widget so it can count characters and in fact I use it so 
>> I can post to twitter. You can see it in use here 
>> http://ooktech.com/jed/externalbrain/#New%20Blog%20Post
>>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Josiah]

... have the "Last x Days Report" filter be available on the main 
   Tiddler ...
   3. ... WHEN it has any value entered in it, it would (I do NOT know how 
   you would actually do this! :-) activate a CSS change such that ... (a) All 
   unneeded buttons, separators etc would be hidden. (b) And a box would be 
   revealed to allow entry of a REPORT TITLE.
   4. The user could then use the "View in New Window" option to print out 
   a neat report.
   5. User would clear the "Last x Days Report" filter and everything 
   returns to normal.

Hope this is all clear. And NOT too much to have to read!

Very best wishes
Josiah

On Sunday, 22 January 2017 20:04:16 UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah 
>
> Guess you were playing with the version on /hacks.html – this is where I 
> am working (not plugin-ified. 
>
> The (old) plugin is only on /plugins.html 
>
> Cheers, 
> Thomas 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Character Counter for Editor(s)

[Josiah]

Ciao Jed

Thank you. Very, very helpful!

Best wishes
Josiah

On Thursday, 26 January 2017 15:27:09 UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I made the same widget so it can count characters and in fact I use it so 
> I can post to twitter. You can see it in use here 
> http://ooktech.com/jed/externalbrain/#New%20Blog%20Post
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Character Counter for Editor(s)

[Josiah]

Ciao Thomas and all

I have a need for that too ... CHARACTER COUNTS. Mainly because I'm an avid 
Twitter user and 140 is all you get. Composing posts without feedback on 
how many characters you have left makes it awkward to write them.

So this would be most useful (reasonably) "live" inside the editor.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Thursday, 26 January 2017 13:29:48 UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> As a writer/author I sometimes draft articles which get limited space in 
> publications. Then I should kow, how many characters I have written. My use 
> case:
>
>- In edit mode users can see a counter for the number of characters in 
>the tiddler’s text field.
>- (maybe add a counter for words too – no priority here)
>
> A short research led me to 
> http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fwidgets%2Finmysocks%2Fword-count.js 
> – for my usage color would not be necessary, word count would be an option. 
> My questions:
>
>
> – Are there any alternatives?
>
> – Has anyone ever combined this with the edit template?
>
> – Was there ever developed something similar, as discussed in Hangout #65 
> at 1:02:55 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ4feiD6iuY=062m55s>?
>
>
> All hints are highly appreciated!
>
>
> Author’s greetings,
>
> Thomas
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[tw] Re: HREF Linking Revisited (aka -- Houston, I have a problem.)

[Josiah]

Ciao Mat

It may not be a proper solution but its fantastic to see it. I'm going to 
do some tests with it to try get clearer whether something like it could be 
one way to solve the issue. It looks hopefulish. 

Thanks!
Josiah

One of the thoughts (vague ideas) he had was (IF possible) to use 
>> Javascript in some way to jump to "Pseudo IDs" like 
>> 

[tw] Re: HREF Linking Revisited (aka -- Houston, I have a problem.)

[Josiah]

Ciao Jed

That is great! Thankyou for finding the time. It gives a skeleton I can 
play with.

Best wishes Josiah

On Thursday, 26 January 2017 00:56:27 UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Well, there is a very rough version of my idea available 
> http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/TiddlyBook
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[tw] Re: HREF Linking Revisited (aka -- Houston, I have a problem.)

[Josiah]

Ciao Jed

That sounds great. Thank you.

Just, FYI, I got a lot clearer today about the issue. Its been tough to 
understand it not myself being a programmer. Its partly thanks to a 
programmer friend of mine. One of the thoughts (vague ideas) he had was (IF 
possible) to use Javascript in some way to jump to "Pseudo IDs" like 

[tw] Re: HREF Linking Revisited (aka -- Houston, I have a problem.)

[Josiah]

Ciao Matthew

Thank you for taking the time to do that example. Its helpful. Its helping 
me think freshing about what "context" is.

It prompted me to think that maybe there could be a way that each Paragraph 
Tiddler (when gone to via an Href, in its singularity, not its embedded 
appearance in transclusion) might have buttons top and bottom to 
programmatically Transclude the Next (down) or Previous (up) paragraphs 
when clicked. I'm not quite sure how to do that but it seems a possible 
solution? If it works then then one might keep expanding as needed?

Best wishes
Josiah

On Wednesday, 25 January 2017 20:49:36 UTC+1, Matthew Lauber wrote:
>
> Here's an example of what I mean.
>
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 2:36:32 PM UTC-5, Matthew Lauber wrote:
>>
>> Soemthing else that could be work is to create a ViewTemplate that lets 
>> you "add context".  When a paragraph tiddler is viewed directly, It 
>> displays the preceding paragraph based on the list field of the chapter, or 
>> the sort order of the tiddler titles or whatever you're using to transclude 
>> all paragraphs into the chapter section.  But when the tiddler is 
>> transcluded you wouldn't get that, so your chapters would still work 
>> properly.  But you wouldn't be able to scroll back arbitrarily in the book 
>> that way, just get the surrounding N paragraphs.  
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 2:28:21 PM UTC-5, Jed Carty wrote:
>>>
>>> There has been lots of discussion about this without much resolution. To 
>>> my knowledge the only result of these discussions is that it isn't 
>>> reasonable to make something that lets you navigate to a chunk smaller than 
>>> a single tiddler because in order to do that you end up making an object 
>>> that has all the properties of a tiddler and you end up back where you 
>>> started.
>>>
>>> With that said, in specific situations it may be desirable to make 
>>> different behaviour using a plugin or something.
>>>
>>> In the case of books many people (including me) have looked into this a 
>>> lot and I think that the answer may be to create a story view that displays 
>>> a set of tiddlers in order to give a chapter-by-chapter or page-by-page 
>>> view of the book, then to reach the next chapter or page the tiddlers that 
>>> are displayed are all changed at once. This way you can still navigate to a 
>>> single paragraph because it will be its own tiddler, but when you navigate 
>>> to it instead of opening just that tiddler it gives you the full 
>>> page/chapter that it belongs to.
>>>
>>> I don't think that anyone has gone much farther than just describing 
>>> this. In the book he is working on Eric made a lot of nice tools for 
>>> presenting a tiddlywiki in book form, but I haven't played with it myself 
>>> so I don't know if his work applies here. I don't think this is really what 
>>> he was working on making.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately now that I have a job I actually like I spend much less 
>>> time playing with new tiddlywiki things. I may look at this a bit and see 
>>> if I can throw together a quick prototype that maybe someone else can 
>>> polish later tonight since this keeps coming up. Regardless of what form 
>>> the solution takes, putting together a book is probably going to be a 
>>> significant amount of work because all of the tiddlers are going to need to 
>>> be labeled and tagged correctly to make the organisation and ordering fit 
>>> what is wanted.
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: HREF Linking Revisited (aka -- Houston, I have a problem.)

[Josiah]

Ciao Tobias

Yeah. Its making some sense. You are right that they would look like this 
c01pg001pa01 etc. if exposed singularly.

I THINK what you mean is that they are NOT transcluded, just strictly 
ordered, with headings chopped off (aka hidden headings)?

Yes?

Best wishes
Josiah



On Wednesday, 25 January 2017 20:48:01 UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah,
>
> I think what you need is two things:
>
>1. a new, custom story view, e.g. a "book view" ...which doesn't show 
>ridiculous titles for "paragraph tiddlers", e.g. CH11-P14
>2. where all chapters and paragraphs of a book are already displayed
>3. and a way to open that story at a given paragraph tiddler
>
> Am I making sense to you?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tobias. 
>

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[tw] HREF Linking Revisited (aka -- Houston, I have a problem.)

[Josiah]

Ciao all

I have slowly got me head around the fact that the ONLY targets of HREF 
links to a TW can be to Tiddler TITLES.* As far as I understand it*.

Mostly that is fine. But in some important use cases it is NOT good.

Here is a USE CASE for a potential e-pub that brings out the downsides ...

   - Take the novel *Great Expectations*.


   - Chunk it down so that every paragraph of the novel becomes a Tiddler.


   - For each of the 59 Chapters of the book transclude the paragraphs they 
   contain under a Chapter number. Replicating the book.
   
RESULT: A basic E-book that looks like its in 59 Chapters (as it should). 
Yet retaining the ability to add memos, favouriting at Paragraph level, etc.

*PROBLEM*: IF I HREF link to a SPECIFIC paragraph what the user sees is 
ONLY that paragraph, a single Tiddler. That is no good. For understanding 
they need to see that paragraph IN CONTEXT. 
   OR I link to the Transcluding Tiddler and leave the user having to 
scroll manually through the "page/Tiddler" to find what I am referencing 
that may be 30 paragraphs down. Equally unworkable.

I feel I'm hitting a contradiction between the fine-grained level of 
Tiddled Chunks and the Gross Level of "we can never see anything in 
context" if you href it

Is there ANY WAY to link INSIDE a Transclusion? Has anyone had smart ways 
round this issue?

Please ask if this is not clear. And feel free to tell me I am an idiot and 
not understanding something.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Using StretchText - multiple stretches, same tiddler, via a <$list>

[Josiah]

Tobias

I this the start of the *Stretched Text Olympics?* LOL.

Josiah

On Tuesday, 24 January 2017 19:32:33 UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Steven,
>
> Just to mention it in this context, tobibeer/appear 
> <http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#appear-Examples> can not only do
> *popups* or *sliders *or *accordeon type menus*,
> but is also capable of rendering these kind of
> *inline toggles* others may call stretch-text.
>
> Try the below on http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins:
>
> \define stretch(state,show,hide,content)
> <$appear hide="""$hide$""" show="""$show$""" mode="inline" $state=
> """$state$""">$content$
> \end
>
> The seats of my new <$appear hide="ridiculously expensive car" show="car" 
> mode="inline" $state="car1">//— really it was awfully expensive — 
> // 
> were of the most comfy leather.
>
> The seats of my new <$appear hide="" show="car" mode="inline" $state
> ="car2">''ridiculously expensive car''// — really it was awfully 
> expensive — // were of the most comfy leather.
>
> The seats of my new < "car-macro"
> "car"
> "ridiculously expensive car"
> "//— really it was awfully expensive — //"
> >> were of the most comfy leather.
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tobias.
>

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[tw] Re: Firefox E10s & TW Firefox Extensions - Compatability Issues

[Josiah]

Sorry for the VERY tardy reply.

I got your e10s version working on Firefox 52 (with forced acceptance to 
unsigned extensions) on a PC in 32-bit portable version.

It works for me exactly as well as the non-e10s previous version. Firefox 
accepts it as a proper multi-thingie :-).

I know its a hassle to get it signed but its not a good advert for TW to 
see this ...



Best wishes
Josiah

On Wednesday, 16 November 2016 06:51:33 UTC+1, BJ wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah,
> the latest version of tiddlyclip is here:
>
> https://github.com/buggyj/tiddlyclip/blob/e10s/tiddlyclip.xpi
>
> and should be E10s compatible - how are you testing?
>
> Cheers
>
> BJ
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 4:28:36 PM UTC, Josiah wrote:
>>
>> The long-awaited public version of Firefox that handles memory better 
>> ("E10s") slowly moves towards wider release ...
>>
>> I have been testing it and note that the Firefox TW add-ons ...
>>
>>   - TiddlyFox
>>
>>   - TiddlyClip
>>
>> ... are shown as INcompatible with E10s.
>>
>> Heads-up authors if you did not know already!
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah 
>>
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[tw] Re: The perils of editing posts to the group

[Josiah]

Ciao Jeremy

Totally agree. Even though I'm an avid reviser elsewhere I know its a NO, 
NO here because its goes out ONCE only to those on email. 

I'd rather you did not switch off editing. Mainly for small reasons. For 
instance, when I address a post to "Tobias", when I meant "Thomas". I'd 
rather not have such silly errors, we all make from time to time, forever 
in the archive. 

Best wishes
Josiah

On Monday, 23 January 2017 18:27:43 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Please look at the screenshot below. This is what I see in my mail client 
> for a thread that Alex started by making a test post, and then editing the 
> test post.
>
> It’s extremely frustrating to have to keep pointing out that if you make 
> edits to a post then people who read the group on email will not see those 
> changes. So it is recommended to use the edit function to correct or update 
> posts, but to also make a new post to draw attention to those changes.
>
> Perhaps I should turn off the editing capability to stop this happening.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Josiah]

Ciao Thomas

I been Playing with your new version.* I am almost in heaven. Its GREAT! *

I will give a fuller report in a day or two.

PLEASE NOTE. I think there is a problem with the plugin implementation. I 
could not drag and drop it. I had to download your whole TW. 

When I looked under $:/ControlPanel > Plugins it did not show. Weird.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Friday, 20 January 2017 20:32:44 UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Ciao Josiah
>
> Thank you very much for the detailed feedback. I am optimistic that the 
> next release will bring you one step closer to heaven :–)
>
> Jed’s table sorter is not applicable as we deal with lists here. Your 
> other points are either implemented or on my todo list here: 
> http://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#ToDoNow (sneak peek alert!)
>
> Kind regards,
> Thomas
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Josiah]

Ciao again Tobias

Further to previous ...

In case its relevant, I found the example of Jed's - Sortable table macros 
<http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/DynamicTables/#Simpler%20Table%20Macros> 

Best wishes
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Josiah]

Ciao Thomas 

A footnote to my last message ...

*POSITION OF SAVE BUTTON*

I can't find any advantage in having the small save button at the base of 
the list and above it. A save button alongside the other buttons, like "+" 
that creates new tasks, or the padlock lock/unlock etc would be plenty for 
me and keeps the elegance of the layout.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: tiddlywiki.com Website Update and Improvement Suggestions

[Josiah]

Ciao Penguinlay

I'm very interested in what newcomers do. How they find their way around. 
What they feel is difficult. 

Just getting bearings with TW I found tough when I started. I was worth it, 
but we need listen more to newcomers IMO.

Good luck!
Josiah

On Tuesday, 17 January 2017 21:29:41 UTC+1, Penguinlay wrote:
>
> Thank you. Since I am still learning, the issues I saw were not code 
> related. Rather, they are documentation related. I will read more and 
> contribute it appropriately as I learn.
>
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 4:21:17 AM UTC-8, Tobias Beer wrote:
>>
>> Hi Penguinlay,
>>
>> Hi, is there any place to make suggestion of updates to the 
>>> tiddlywiki.com site itself?
>>>
>>
>> That could be the issues on https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5.
>>
>> However, please read: http://tiddlywiki.com/#Contributing to understand 
>> the workflows / procedures.
>>
>> For complex changes it's best to create a demo.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Tobias.
>>
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[tw] Re: TW5 for blog

[Josiah]

Riz

Mat's Google Forms method works: http://gcomments.tiddlyspot.com/

If you have access to an email server you can enable it like Tobias does: 
http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Contact

Josiah

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>
> I am using TW5 for blog too!! Can you tell how you tackled the user 
> comments? 
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[tw] Re: Slice

[Josiah]

Ciao Christian

The fundamental problem with the Text-Slicer edition is not that so much 
what it does. It does that well. Its simply that in order to slice stuff 
you have to do external work preparing the input text so its ready for 
slicing. In the end that's quite a lot of work. 

The question is whether its easier, given you have to prepare it, that 
making it into a JSON importable file might not just be as easy.

I been playing with regular expressions external to TW to slice texts 
directly to TW format and its a lot easier than coping with interim formats 
IMO.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Friday, 30 December 2016 20:48:24 UTC+1, Christian Uhlig wrote:
>
> Found something in TW5, a button on top of a tiddler.
>
> On the other hand i found some info here 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/editions/text-slicer/ 
>
> Am Freitag, 30. Dezember 2016 19:01:05 UTC+1 schrieb Christian Uhlig:
>>
>> Hello, can i get a short instruction what "slice" is and how to use?
>>
>> Regards
>>
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[tw] Re: My TiddlyWiki Journey

[Josiah]

Ciao Tobias
 

> 1 - VERY difficult to gain leverage
>

> And what would you want or need leverage for? I like the humble nature of 
how this project unfolds.

Me too.

But humbleness per se isn't the leverage issue I meant. 

What I meant was that because of the way GG works its hard IF, like me, 
you'd like to see pattern. And having seen pattern, and felt into it, 
engage with it.

To make this concrete...

Over the last several months there has been a lot of e-pub discussion (the 
fact you never read one I forgive you for and hope you will accept the 
example even though you know nothing :-). 

My point? In a different type of forum it might well gel better. To get 
beyond one demo. E-pubs have many shared issues that better collectivity 
could help. TW could be a great e-pub format. Here we get splinters on it. 
Real steps remain at the edge. IMO this happens because GG is inadequate to 
fostering anything other than transient emailing/posting.

SO. My answer to you is: Leverage is good. Here is not good for it.

J.

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[tw] Re: My TiddlyWiki Journey

[Josiah]

Ciao Dmitry

On Tuesday, 10 January 2017 02:08:56 UTC+1, Dmitry Sokolov wrote:
>
> Josiah, I know just one way of removing any scepticism. It's experiment 
> and practice.
> Here is the method of measuring "findability" of any topic on LikeInMind: 
> http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/102426340/Findability%20Experiment
>

I find it incomprehensible. WTF does "The task is finding the Findability 
Modes 
<http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/103967853/Findability%20Modes> 
page on LikeInMind <http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/LikeInMind>. Total 
time of finding this particular page is measured." mean?
 

> "FYI, there are NO companies (corporations) HERE." - that's fine! I am 
> looking for a way of realising the P2PCI platform as soon as possible. 
>

Good.
 

> As soon as a map of intents and preferences is collected, we should be 
> able to decide what namely way to go.
>

Collected by whom? For what?
 

> Josiah, sorry for misreading your previous statements. Would you elaborate 
> more of your understanding and ideas on forums vs knowledge networks vs 
> personal memories. That was probably the topic I missed something critical.
>

The only thing I really thought important was grasping that Google Groups 
is inadequate because it lacks basic tagging. It lacks decent searching. It 
loses its own history rapidly. 

My analysis was NEGATIVE, not positive. I know what is NOT here that would 
help it if it were. I am less concerned about exact solutions. 

Right now there are TWO initiatives in play. One for Reddit. One for 
StackOverflow. IMO, either, either as additives or alternatives to here, 
would help practically improve things.
 


LiM is as messy as a human mind. What I know about my mind, for example, 
> that it can pull ideas from apparently nowhere, from the noise and mess of 
> my random associations and thoughts.
>

That is not yet a description of a system. That is what we all cognitively 
do, one way or another, all the time.

The point you are getting at, I think, is more about LIMINAL knowing. That 
is not so frequent. It is absolutely true that liminality---knowing at the 
edge---is not well addressed on most of the internet. 

New concept formation is a complex interaction between extant social, 
shared categories and emergent felt-knowing.

Articulateness, by definition, will be constrained by shared public 
language and categories. Its a push to change that. Especially when you 
don't yet quite know yourself what you are trying to say.



Your appeal to LiM is an appeal to engage with it, to help it. What I 
looked at is pretty unappealing to me at the moment. 

I think MY problem with it is it TOO REFRACTORY to my aims. Too much 
effort, for what?



Your talk of "mental states" I find confusing. 

I have a "mental state" as I write this. Once its on the net its "published 
words". 

The potential mapping between first person self-articulation and published 
words is, of course, a legitimate playground. But, as far as I can see, it 
leads nowhere without a FORMAT to engage through.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: My TiddlyWiki Journey

[Josiah]

Ciao Tobias

You are one bright spark.

I am very happy to reply because you make explicit what the stakes are.

I will do it in bits.

Josiah, x

On Saturday, 7 January 2017 14:34:11 UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah,
>
> I hope you allow me to respond to your assessments from a more critical, 
> call it provocative perspective.
>  
>
>> 1 - VERY difficult to gain leverage
>>
>
> And what would you want or need leverage for? I like the humble nature of 
> how this project unfolds.
>
> 2 - Difficult to form sustainable sub-groups pursuing one thread.
>>
>
> There are plenty reasons for (sub)groups not making "it", whatever "it" 
> is. Different or unclear, or mostly individual goals and ambitions and 
> divergent capabilities and perspectives. You see, it may be honorable to 
> have great ambitions, but there's a point when pushing an agenda really 
> isn't what people are after, and when that's more disturbing than actually 
> contributing.
>
> 3 - VERY difficult to form consensus on anything.
>>
>
> When and where do you need concensus? Make decisions, do what you can and 
> want and for the rest of it, let go... or find someone who can and wills 
> it. And let it be manageable, actionable steps, not mere abstract ideas 
> with no practical leverage.
>  
>
>> Some folk do make note of threads and go back to them. But there is NO 
>> reliable public way to form a KNOWLEDGE NETWORK other than, basically, your 
>> own powers of reading & memory.
>>
>
> Precisely, so try your best at it, personally. Find your sweet spot, 
> things you like and know best. However, making everyone follow whatever 
> your potentially best way for everything is will hardly ever work, unless 
> that is something that practically works well for most people, processes, 
> environments, technologies that are simple and inviting enough for people 
> to join and keep participating.
>
> While it may not be easy to find everything, the google groups are an easy 
> environment to join and dive in whereas Github provides more formal, 
> advanced ways of participation.
>
> Google groups are not a knowledge base, we got that. You want one, to 
> cover all of the TiddlyWiki experience? Well, have your try, but try not to 
> expect too much. It's easy to see all the missing pieces to a puzzle you're 
> trying to solve. Well, the game is not about finding the missing pieces and 
> point out just how missing they are, but to solve the puzzle, if you care. 
> To me, it's really more of a narrative, of words spoken here and there, 
> tricks applied, methods learned, things achieved. I don't need a TiddlyWiki 
> for Dummies book to cover every topic I never needed, I'd rather be part of 
> a community that doesn't treat you like one and helps you meet your ends, 
> insofar as everyone's capable.
>
> At this point, TiddlyWiki is not the communication platform around 
> TiddlyWiki. There are places people talk about it and find useful 
> application for this little Swiss Army knife of atomic knowledge mgt. See, 
> if you want some Google for TiddlyWiki, to make it easy to find stuff,  and 
> also some more social chatter to have people talk and find solutions to 
> problems, answers to questions, like-minded people for projects, and what 
> not... perhaps TiddlyWiki itself isn't the right place to look for it, and 
> neither is this group.
>
> If you find a better environment for your own ambitions, that's fine. But 
> don't go around reminding people how much they're missing. If they think 
> it's worth a shot and compelling, then you better make it so. Should you 
> get there, telling others how much better that is and much worse it is 
> whatever they do... never works. Let me repeat: never works. Youtube was 
> successful because people liked to watch videos and it turns out to also 
> create and share those. Please do invent a TiddlyTube people find useful to 
> share and create rich content for. But just don't go to the google groups 
> and say how much better reddit is or go to vimeo to comment on how youtube 
> is so much more... who knows what.
>
> My point is that EMERGENT properties are become severely inhibited. And my 
>> overall impression is that if you are not a keen *bricoleur * 
>> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bricoleur>it can be hard work.
>>
>
> I feel no inhibition and I think that is so because I keep my expectations 
> as well as ambitions adequate. Why waste much energy on abstract, 
> theoretical ideas one thing perhaps doesn't cater for while igoring all the 
> brilliant ways you can make good use of it? You see, not sure what 
> everyone's ambitions are, but if you feel like you can't ma

[tw] Re: My TiddlyWiki Journey

[Josiah]

Ciao D et al

On Monday, 9 January 2017 09:45:57 UTC+1, Dmitry Sokolov wrote:
> LikeInMind is designed to support building Personal Associative Networks 
<http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/Personal-Associative-Networks> 
online. When published, it becomes an "external memory" of a person. 

So. Let us see it in action :-) 


> Regarding the consensus, I don't think we need it. Agile style of project 
development, I am trying to follow, is focused on solving the problems 
within the frames of company's policies and standards.


FYI, there are NO companies (corporations) HERE.


> I can't agree with "there is NO reliable public way to form a KNOWLEDGE 
NETWORK other than, basically, your own powers of reading & memory".


THAT is SERIOUS MISREADING of what I wrote. I was ONLY referring to Google 
Groups. IF you are interested in knowledge networks its essential to read 
accurately.


> LikeInMind (LiM) is the example.


Its NOT YET really an example. Its nearly as messy as here right now.

> Could you tell me more about "My point is that EMERGENT properties are 
become severely inhibited. And my overall impression is that if you are not 
a keen *bricoleur * <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bricoleur>it can be 
hard work.", please?


Emergent properties are ubiquitous. The point is that things felt-known are 
expressed but don't get cognizance unless there is a congruent system for 
their reception. 


> Regarding the "Marketing, Mass Apps (e.g. e-pubs), Sub-project Threads 
(e.g. UI issues) etc" and other applications, I do not see any difficulties.


I think you are mixing up YOUR (WONDERFUL) aims with the actual reality 
here.


Best wishes

Josiah

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Re: [tw] Re: Calling all TiddlyWiki users

[Josiah]

Ciao Arlen

To help advance it it might be helpful to say a bit more about moderation 
and who is in control of it.

The sign-up hurdles to getting to a working situation seem pretty extreme.

The Stack Overflow/Exchange route is, IMO, a potentially really good one. 
But explicitness about both the process and the outcome seems important.

Part of the problem you are likely encountering is the need to sign up in 
order to express anything or see anything much.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Monday, 9 January 2017 15:50:55 UTC+1, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Thank you everyone for your participation so far. We have 48 proposed 
> questions so far.
>
> We have 48/60 followers needed so far, so let people know about. If you 
> like, you could post a link on whatever plugin sites you have. When it 
> enters the commitment phase, the same like should still work.
>
> We have 8 questions with 10 votes, and we need 40. So if you have not done 
> so yet, find 5 questions with less than. 10 votes that you think should be 
> on the site, and click the little up arrow on the left side. 
>
>
> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/105326/tiddlywiki?referrer=kk4xS6VP59WB49QQOgt7xA2
>
> I'm looking forward to see how things go. After seeing a few other betas I 
> think we might have the mass it takes to get this site off the ground.
>
> On Jan 1, 2017 22:18, "Dmitry Sokolov" <dmitry.v...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Thank you Arlen,
>>
>> added to the list of TW Forums:
>> http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/113792623/TiddlyWiki%20Forums
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dmitry
>>
>> On Monday, 2 January 2017 13:36:41 UTC+13, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>> I thought I would post this again to bring it to everyone's attention. 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/105326/tiddlywiki?referrer=kk4xS6VP59WB49QQOgt7xA2
>>>
>>> If you're interested in participating, go to that URL and click on the 
>>> orange "Follow It!" button. 
>>>
>>> If you like the format of Stack Overflow, this is for you.
>>>
>>> On Dec 28, 2016 15:59, "jwd" <jwd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Plus, by revisiting, commenting on, and editing content to improve it 
>>> you earn 'badges' that contribute to your stackexchange community 
>>> abilities. Those can, if you are motivated enough, lead to additional 
>>> 'reputation' and responsibility. This is one of the aspects of 
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Re: [tw] TW5 - For me the Start to Building a Bigger Audience for TW5 Starts with Saying TW5 is a Platform not just an ''App'

[Josiah]

Ciao Jeremy, Richard & Danielo

>From my more naive point of view ... TW is ...

(Bricoleur <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bricoleur> Level)

Approximation 1 - something I found on the internet that lets me keep notes

Approximation 2 - (a) something I found on the internet that lets me keep 
notes and (b) lets me change the way I keep my notes

Approximation 3 - (a) something I found on the internet that lets me keep 
notes and (b) lets me change the way I keep my notes and (c) provides a way 
publish my notes

Approximation 4 - (a) something I found on the internet that lets me keep 
notes and (b) lets me change the way I keep my notes and (c) provides a way 
publish my notes and (d) a way to alter the ways notes are published

Approximation 5 - ???

The bricoleur route seems infinite :-).

One of the interesting things for me right now is as much about content as 
process. For instance, for the PURPOSE of e-pubs I might re-write the above 
...

(Reader Level)

Approximation 1a - something I found on the internet that lets me read a 
book

Approximation 2a - (a) something I found on the internet that lets me read 
a book and (b) add my notes and bookmarks to it.

Approximation 3a - (a) something I found on the internet that lets me read 
a book and (b) add my notes and bookmarks to it and (c) publish those notes 
& bookmarks.

In other words, there is a FORKING of the road between more end 
product/aims defined purposes (more de-limited) and open-ended exploration.

Its very difficult to tell, because TW does not track it, what the balance 
of simple usage to ongoing bricolage is.

Obviously both are good. But they do differ. I simply do not believe 
everyone is a tinker who benefits from TW. 

Platform or App. I think user aims and content types cross cut this 
discussion somewhere.

I hope this is vaguely relevant.

Best wishes
Josiah  


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[tw] Re: My TiddlyWiki Journey

[Josiah]

Ciao Thomas, Dmitry & all

I have commented at length on the deficiencies of Google Groups in previous 
threads. THE MAJOR issue with it is is its near immediate loss of history.

IMO this has a partly veiled, but, none the less extreme, negative effect 
in SCALING. If you can't easily find and organise you own history of 
interest it becomes ...

1 - VERY difficult to gain leverage.

2 - Difficult to form sustainable sub-groups pursuing one thread.

3 - VERY difficult to form consensus on anything.

Some folk do make note of threads and go back to them. But there is NO 
reliable public way to form a KNOWLEDGE NETWORK other than, basically, your 
own powers of reading & memory.

My point is that EMERGENT properties are become severely inhibited. And my 
overall impression is that if you are not a keen *bricoleur * 
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bricoleur>it can be hard work.

IMO, if this situation were improved questions like Marketing, Mass Apps 
(e.g. e-pubs), Sub-project Threads (e.g. UI issues) etc would likely gain 
a  clearer place and likely to gain TRACTION.

As is the history of THIS thread itself will shortly be lost.

Best wishes
Josiah




Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> ... I got the same impression as you: 
> ”TW has a great team of technically skilled experts but probably no 
> marketing and product management specialists.“ ...
>
 

> As a marketing specialist I have many ideas concerning communication 
> around TW … but like everyone else I lack resources to realize this or to 
> contribute other marketing activities to the project. So I focus on my own 
> small everyday projects and try to be helpful here and there
>

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[tw] Re: NoteSelf mobile app ( well, kind of)

[Josiah]

Ciao again Danielo

I was wondering, given the sophistication of the PouchDB (TW) and a 
possible CouchDB (Apache server) combo could this permit what I might call 
"A Surrogate Multi-User TW"? 

What I mean is if I synced to multiple devices could I work on one could I 
go further than have the other version register it? For instance, I get 3 
other people to work simultaneously on three other instances of the same on 
different computers, could it cope and harmonise them?

As far as I grasp the tech both PouchDB and CouchDB are optimised for 
syncing. In that sense its a kind of multi-users system, though with no 
hierarchy rights?

Maybe I got this wrong?

Best wishes
Josiah

On Monday, 2 January 2017 17:03:30 UTC+1, Josiah wrote:
>
> Ciao Danielo
>
> I think its a BRILLIANT piece of work.
>
> I don't use mobile phones much and its not my main interest. My main 
> interest is how the PouchDB mechanism works as a potential saving mechanism 
> across all browsers and device types. AND that PouchDB is superb for multi 
> device syncing with a cloud IF you want that too. THAT is really exciting: 
> (1) To see the possibility of a standard "out-of-the-box", easy local 
> saving mechanism PLUS (2) reliable cloud based multi-device sync.
>
> Whilst there are several current, interesting, new systems emerging for 
> working with TW, your solution SMELLS SWEET to me :-). 
>
> In earlier threads I note that Jeremy Ruston is wary of having ones 
> TiddlyWiki locked up inside a specific browsers data storage department. I 
> think if his worry is addressed in a clear way with easy routes to export 
> and backup of Tiddler content I hope he'll see the upsides to your work so 
> far.
>
> I do wish more people with technical skill were expressing interest in 
> this. I note Mat's enthusiam & am glad for it. Its a lot for one person to 
> do it all. 
>
> From other PouchDB projects I looked at, its a very clear and thought 
> through approach that embraces the modern net well.
>
> Mat refereed to its "magical" nature. I think that hits the spot. And is 
> it White magic or Black magic? :-). I think part of what would be helpful 
> to reduce the idea you are the "Fairy Godfather" :-) is to explain a bit 
> more about what "in browser storage" is. What the UPSIDES are and what the 
> DOWNSIDES might be. 
>
> Personally after using it a bit in Firefox I got interested in WHERE is 
> the data kept in Firefox. I still haven't found the DB, though I know it 
> must be there somewhere :-)
>
> Just to let you know that I will continue to play with it. I am seriously 
> thinking of it as a very suitable way to create and publish e-pubs for 
> audiences who just want to read & add notes, not fiddle about with a 
> zillion different ways they have to save etc. 
>
> The one problem I had on this release was exactly the same as what Mat 
> described for plugins.
>
> Best wishes 
> Josiah
>
>
> On Thursday, 29 December 2016 22:15:20 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>>
>> On their continuous effort to deliver cutting edge features to you, the 
>> NoteSelf team (formerly known as just me :D) is delighted to announce that 
>> *NoteSelf online 
>> edition* is now an offline-first experience.
>>
>> This means that you will be able to use the online edition *even if you 
>> are offline*, isn't that mind-blowing ? 
>>
>>
>> Wait, there is more! 
>>
>>
>> Being an offline-first application allows you to use NoteSelf *like* a 
>> native mobile app. This mean that you can have it on your *app launcher 
>> with it's own icon*, that it will appear on your list of opened/recent 
>> apps and some other features restricted to native applications.
>>
>> Hey, hey, hey, I want this! Fine, this is how:
>>
>>1. navigate to noteself.github.io/online with a *compatible browser*
>>2. open your browsers options and select "add to home screen" (text 
>>may vary depending on language and browser version)
>>3. you will see something similar to the below image (sorry it is on 
>>spanish)
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IO5Cg_6PdJk/WGV6lXSpi3I/Ur4/0NaRQOl-7Q8lEKqNJApLXic551N-3HhwwCKgB/s1600/Screenshot_2016-12-29-12-29-53.png>
>>
>>   4. NoteSelf can now live along with the test of your apps! (pic 
>> below)
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aD7HdZOgE78/WGV7RJ9q7eI/UsA/H4P1LpQjTKkDwWkSAjovTc0WPdTH4mg6ACKgB/s1600/IMG_20161229_123140.png>
>>
>>   5. it even has a beautiful (depending on your likings) splash 
>> screen!
>>
>>
>&g

[tw] Re: NoteSelf mobile app ( well, kind of)

[Josiah]

Ciao Danielo

I think its a BRILLIANT piece of work.

I don't use mobile phones much and its not my main interest. My main 
interest is how the PouchDB mechanism works as a potential saving mechanism 
across all browsers and device types. AND that PouchDB is superb for multi 
device syncing with a cloud IF you want that too. THAT is really exciting: 
(1) To see the possibility of a standard "out-of-the-box", easy local 
saving mechanism PLUS (2) reliable cloud based multi-device sync.

Whilst there are several current, interesting, new systems emerging for 
working with TW, your solution SMELLS SWEET to me :-). 

In earlier threads I note that Jeremy Ruston is wary of having ones 
TiddlyWiki locked up inside a specific browsers data storage department. I 
think if his worry is addressed in a clear way with easy routes to export 
and backup of Tiddler content I hope he'll see the upsides to your work so 
far.

I do wish more people with technical skill were expressing interest in 
this. I note Mat's enthusiam & am glad for it. Its a lot for one person to 
do it all. 

>From other PouchDB projects I looked at, its a very clear and thought 
through approach that embraces the modern net well.

Mat refereed to its "magical" nature. I think that hits the spot. And is it 
White magic or Black magic? :-). I think part of what would be helpful to 
reduce the idea you are the "Fairy Godfather" :-) is to explain a bit more 
about what "in browser storage" is. What the UPSIDES are and what the 
DOWNSIDES might be. 

Personally after using it a bit in Firefox I got interested in WHERE is the 
data kept in Firefox. I still haven't found the DB, though I know it must 
be there somewhere :-)

Just to let you know that I will continue to play with it. I am seriously 
thinking of it as a very suitable way to create and publish e-pubs for 
audiences who just want to read & add notes, not fiddle about with a 
zillion different ways they have to save etc. 

The one problem I had on this release was exactly the same as what Mat 
described for plugins.

Best wishes 
Josiah


On Thursday, 29 December 2016 22:15:20 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> On their continuous effort to deliver cutting edge features to you, the 
> NoteSelf team (formerly known as just me :D) is delighted to announce that 
> *NoteSelf online 
> edition* is now an offline-first experience.
>
> This means that you will be able to use the online edition *even if you 
> are offline*, isn't that mind-blowing ? 
>
>
> Wait, there is more! 
>
>
> Being an offline-first application allows you to use NoteSelf *like* a 
> native mobile app. This mean that you can have it on your *app launcher 
> with it's own icon*, that it will appear on your list of opened/recent 
> apps and some other features restricted to native applications.
>
> Hey, hey, hey, I want this! Fine, this is how:
>
>1. navigate to noteself.github.io/online with a *compatible browser*
>2. open your browsers options and select "add to home screen" (text 
>may vary depending on language and browser version)
>3. you will see something similar to the below image (sorry it is on 
>spanish)
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IO5Cg_6PdJk/WGV6lXSpi3I/Ur4/0NaRQOl-7Q8lEKqNJApLXic551N-3HhwwCKgB/s1600/Screenshot_2016-12-29-12-29-53.png>
>
>   4. NoteSelf can now live along with the test of your apps! (pic 
> below)
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aD7HdZOgE78/WGV7RJ9q7eI/UsA/H4P1LpQjTKkDwWkSAjovTc0WPdTH4mg6ACKgB/s1600/IMG_20161229_123140.png>
>
>   5. it even has a beautiful (depending on your likings) splash screen!
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ymBJblEivYQ/WGV7kZGecSI/UsM/cFKQiV6eWPMDyUOEPVbZXmSJbvKCpZ-3gCKgB/s1600/Screenshot_2016-12-29-12-36-32.png>
>
> The supported browsers for the native app experience are chrome and Opera 
> so far, Firefox is on the way. The offline capabilities should work on a 
> wider range of of browsers.
>
>
> This have several advantages over the offline version:
>
>- Allways up to date. Don't worry anymore about updating, the online 
>version is allways the latest version!
>- Direct access from your launcher with a recognizable icon
>- Easier to use: because we rely on web standards the user experience 
>is delightful. For some reason mobile browser vendors doesn't like opening 
>local html files and opening them can become a tedious task. Sometimes its 
>is just not possible.
>
>
> Hope you enjoy this new feature as much as I do , at the end I'm the main 
> user of NoteSelf :)
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Improving tiddler renaming behaviour

[Josiah]

UUIDs are sometimes useful. I think its depends a lot on what you are 
doing. Once I realised that TW doesn't serialize Tiddlers with unique UUIDs 
I started messing around with manipulating creation times to give surrogate 
UUIDs. It kinda works. 

For me the lack of auto-serialisation turns up negatively the fact you 
can't create two tiddlers with the same title. That is irritating :-). A 
tiddler title, IMO, should not HAVE to be unique.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Friday, 30 December 2016 10:20:52 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I also don’t think that UUIDs are a magical solution.
>
> For example, unless we want users to write [[my 
> link|eaec2913b78d11a81a68775068fb3107e9029b746e7cbc6d1a1926190c9f6f05]], 
> then we’ll want [[my link|my title]] to perform a title search to find the 
> target tiddler.
>
> The moment we support such a syntax then we’re back precisely where we 
> started, where there will be a strong need for tools which relink titles.
>
> Having said that, as I’ve noted before, there’s little preventing somebody 
> from experimenting with a UUID-oriented variant of the default TiddlyWiki 
> user interface. One option is to use the title field to contain a UUID but 
> a more interesting approach is to use a separate UUID field, and take 
> advantage of one of the properties of most UUID generation algorithms: the 
> guarantee that each generated UUID will be unique.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 30 Dec 2016, at 08:21, Jed Carty <inmy...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:
>
> While using UUIDs may simplify some things it would make others more 
> complex. How do you overwrite a shadow tiddler if they all use UUIDs? If 
> you are able to edit UUIDs to make a new tiddler with the same one then 
> they aren't unique anymore, if you do something like take the tiddler with 
> the same title and the newest modified field than you are back to having 
> titles being the same as UUIDs. 
>
> I think that while on the surface changing to UUIDs could take care of 
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Prerelease of v5.1.14

[Josiah]

Ciao Mark & Jeremy

FWIW I agree with Jeremy. Browser zoom, as far as I understand it, is a 
universal facility in all bowsers now?

Best wishes
Josiah 

On Friday, 30 December 2016 16:40:51 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mark
>
> The new "Heavier" theme seems to only make the stuff that is already big 
> (titles, headlines, bold text) bigger. The ordinary text stays the same 
> size. For my poor eyes, it's the small stuff that needs to get bigger. 
> Perhaps it works differently on other browsers?
>
>
> The “Heavier” theme doesn’t actually change the size of any of the text, 
> it just changes the font weight. That’s intentional, but perhaps what you 
> really want is a “Bigger” theme that bumps up the font sizes of everything. 
> The reason that I didn’t bother to create such a theme is that I assumed 
> that people would use the browser font size controls. Do they not do the 
> job for you?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> Mark (Windows 7, Firefox 47)
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 6:01:16 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> There’s been a rash of updates to v5.1.14 in the last 10 days, making it 
>> a good time to have a look at the prerelease at 
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>>
>> I’d like to highlight the new QR code generator plugin (installed in the 
>> prerelease so that you can try it out easily). I had little idea about QR 
>> codes before the recent correspondence here on the mailing list, but am now 
>> a convert. If you don’t have a QR code reader on your smartphone I’d highly 
>> recommend installing one to play with the prerelease.
>>
>> Basically, QR codes can be used to transfer any block of text that isn’t 
>> too long/complicated to fit. There are conventions for passing URLs, 
>> contact information, wifi details etc., but there is complete freedom; one 
>> can make a QR code of JSON if you want (actually a bad idea as the special 
>> characters appear to compress badly).
>>
>> The QR code plugin adds a generic macro for generating a QR code from a 
>> string, and also adds a couple of pre-built ways to use it:
>>
>> * A new view toolbar button that displays the current tiddler as a QR 
>> code. You can choose from the URL of the tiddler, the raw text, or the 
>> rendered text
>> * Example forms for generating QR codes for contacts, wifi and generic 
>> codes
>>
>> Once I’d found the library, getting the plugin up and running was 
>> surprisingly easy — I had the first operational version within 30 minutes 
>> of starting work. A good illustration of the excellent returns on the 
>> effort involved in integrating existing JavaScript components.
>>
>> There’s a full list of changes in the release note, but I’d highlight the 
>> following bigger changes:
>>
>> * Extended search mechanism to require the search string to be a minimum 
>> length
>> * New Hebrew translation, and preliminary support for RTL languages
>> * Improved access to plugin information:
>> ** New “Plugins” tab in the “More” sidebar tab, listing all installed 
>> plugins
>> ** Better display of plugin tiddlers themselves, duplicating the gadget 
>> used in control panel
>> * Fixed height of preview pane to use a scrollbar when fixed height 
>> layout is selected
>> * Improved modals and notifications so that global macros are available
>> * Extended the SetWidget to allow a single result to be selected from a 
>> filtered result list
>> * Added new $:/info/url/* information tiddlers providing document 
>> location information
>> * Added several new filter operators for string encoding/decoding strings 
>> according to HTML encoding, URI encoding, regexp escaping and JavaScript 
>> string encoding
>> * Improved support for bulk loading tiddler files via tiddlywiki.files 
>> Files within TiddlyWikiFolders
>>
>> I’d like to get v5.1.14 released in the next couple of weeks, so any 
>> feedback/thoughts/questions are much appreciated at this point.
>>
>> As ever, thanks to everyone listed in the release note for their 
>> contributions to this release.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Prerelease of v5.1.14

[Josiah]

Ciao Jeremy

> The problem there is that the new editor uses an iframe for the text. 
Meanwhile, the main page is listening for mouse clicks to trigger the 
removal of the popup. However, the main page doesn’t get mouse click events 
for clicks within the iframe.

It seems like too much work to do that. How difficult would it be to add a 
top right corner "x" closer instead? Could that be a a viable alternative? 
In reality I don't think its a major issue. It would probably confound a 
few newbies at first until they clicked around.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Prerelease of v5.1.14

[Josiah]

A small point on the editor's behaviour. When you click on any action that 
has a pop-up you then decide you don't want it you have to click OUTSIDE 
the editable area to dismiss it. Its not intuitive (to me at least) to have 
to do that.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Tuesday, 18 October 2016 15:01:16 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> There’s been a rash of updates to v5.1.14 in the last 10 days, making it a 
> good time to have a look at the prerelease at 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> I’d like to highlight the new QR code generator plugin (installed in the 
> prerelease so that you can try it out easily). I had little idea about QR 
> codes before the recent correspondence here on the mailing list, but am now 
> a convert. If you don’t have a QR code reader on your smartphone I’d highly 
> recommend installing one to play with the prerelease.
>
> Basically, QR codes can be used to transfer any block of text that isn’t 
> too long/complicated to fit. There are conventions for passing URLs, 
> contact information, wifi details etc., but there is complete freedom; one 
> can make a QR code of JSON if you want (actually a bad idea as the special 
> characters appear to compress badly).
>
> The QR code plugin adds a generic macro for generating a QR code from a 
> string, and also adds a couple of pre-built ways to use it:
>
> * A new view toolbar button that displays the current tiddler as a QR 
> code. You can choose from the URL of the tiddler, the raw text, or the 
> rendered text
> * Example forms for generating QR codes for contacts, wifi and generic 
> codes
>
> Once I’d found the library, getting the plugin up and running was 
> surprisingly easy — I had the first operational version within 30 minutes 
> of starting work. A good illustration of the excellent returns on the 
> effort involved in integrating existing JavaScript components.
>
> There’s a full list of changes in the release note, but I’d highlight the 
> following bigger changes:
>
> * Extended search mechanism to require the search string to be a minimum 
> length
> * New Hebrew translation, and preliminary support for RTL languages
> * Improved access to plugin information:
> ** New “Plugins” tab in the “More” sidebar tab, listing all installed 
> plugins
> ** Better display of plugin tiddlers themselves, duplicating the gadget 
> used in control panel
> * Fixed height of preview pane to use a scrollbar when fixed height layout 
> is selected
> * Improved modals and notifications so that global macros are available
> * Extended the SetWidget to allow a single result to be selected from a 
> filtered result list
> * Added new $:/info/url/* information tiddlers providing document 
> location information
> * Added several new filter operators for string encoding/decoding strings 
> according to HTML encoding, URI encoding, regexp escaping and JavaScript 
> string encoding
> * Improved support for bulk loading tiddler files via tiddlywiki.files 
> Files within TiddlyWikiFolders
>
> I’d like to get v5.1.14 released in the next couple of weeks, so any 
> feedback/thoughts/questions are much appreciated at this point.
>
> As ever, thanks to everyone listed in the release note for their 
> contributions to this release.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Prerelease of v5.1.14

[Josiah]

Ciao Tobias

The QR Code generator plugin. I was not clear enough I was referring to 
earlier posts. 

$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/qrcode/ViewToolbarButton/Rendered 
<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Ftiddlywiki.com%2Fprerelease%2F%23%2524%253A%252Fplugins%252Ftiddlywiki%252Fqrcode%252FViewToolbarButton%252FRendered=D=1=AFQjCNH_S3UKQ82WZaoO56u_7BAQ0IPxSw>

When clicked gives either a recursion error. After that all the rest give 
JavaScript node not found errors.

The link above seems deadly. For me not only does it gives a red error, it 
also freezes the browser.

Best wishes
Josiah



On Wednesday, 28 December 2016 13:31:57 UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah,
>  
>
>> there are LOT of RED flags in it when you try look at stuff
>>
>
> Please be specific, otherwise your comment is of little help.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tobias.
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[tw] Re: How will I url encode the viewtemplate of a tiddler?

[Josiah]

Ciao Thomas

The Twitter API is not fussy  whatever rubbish you put in the box :-) you 
will have to ruthlessly reduce it to 140. For Twitter the only special 
formatting worth having it supports is line breaks, which you already 
done.  You know all this anyway.

Your other threads that deal with "extraction" could support the standard 
way of dealing with Twitter's character limit. I.e.  Tiddlers be written 
to  have an initial demarcated short Summary text that would also 
constitute the Tweeted part. That's an author's job familiar with that 
network knowing if they don't they will have hassle when it comes to 
post-time :-).

That is a methodology I could use for a film site I so far developed 
off-line for TW. 

The ADVANTAGE of that approach is it means I don't have to mess around with 
extra fields. The text is one and the selection for posting depending on 
the particular network. I very much like the whole approach of extracting 
from the Tiddler text field. 

I don't actually write into umpteen fields. The structure emerges IN 
writing, not through slots. I write text and its easy for me to think and 
write: this is the "Summary" bit, this is the "Mid-Section" and this is the 
"Whole Tamoli". 

I hope this is clear?

Anyway, for me there is a kinda intuitive fit with some of your recent work 
that I can already see I can use.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Thursday, 29 December 2016 00:02:50 UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi Riz,
>
> Create a new tiddler on http://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html and try this: 
>
> How much can be transformed?
>
> <$wikify name="testcontent" text={{Tweeting}}>
> <$macrocall $name="tweet" text=<>/>
> 
>
> This should attempt to tweet all *text** from 
> http://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#Tweeting 
> The Twitter-API accepts a lot of text here (you have to scroll through the 
> tweet input). 
>
> *some formatting ist missing – see http://tiddlywiki.com/#WikifyWidget 
> for other output options like html.
>
> – Is this like the solution you are looking for?
>
> Cheers, Thomas
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[tw] Re: How will I url encode the viewtemplate of a tiddler?

[Josiah]

Ciao Riz

>From my point of view seeing attempts to properly address social networking 
posting issues is great.

I saved your TW attempt. I note you have a Reddit option and it sorta 
works. 

Even if its not there yet. I'm very thankful there is interest and effort 
going in this direction and grateful you and others are putting time into 
it.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Thursday, 29 December 2016 16:56:48 UTC+1, Riz wrote:
>
>
> The formatting was the issue from the begining. I achieved the same result 
> earlier which ends up in creating a blob using a different method. I was 
> hoping it would be possible to have atleast paragraph separation saved.
>
> Sigh, been working on this for some days now. I guess it is time to admit 
> defeat. If anyone is curiious, whatever I achieved till now can be found in 
> here
>
> https://tesseract-index.bitbucket.io/socialmacros/
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> *some formatting ist missing – see http://tiddlywiki.com/#WikifyWidget 
>> for other output options like html.
>>
>> – Is this like the solution you are looking for?
>>
>> Cheers, Thomas
>>
>

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[tw] PLUGIN options ... Enable, Disable AND DELETE?

[Josiah]

Ciao all

TW is getting is getting increasingly rich through the growing number of 
plugins ... 

I increasingly use many plugins to help the INITIAL AUTHORING of a TW. Then 
I am done with them.

Would it be difficult to add one-click DELETION? As is its a bit laborious 
to do it manually.

Best wishes
Josiah


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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Prerelease of v5.1.14

[Josiah]

there are LOT of RED flags in it when you try look at stuff.

On Tuesday, 27 December 2016 19:30:38 UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi Jeremy
>
> I just tried to look into 
> $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/qrcode/ViewToolbarButton/Rendered 
>
> 
> first from the plugin (contents tab) then from the advanced search 
> (Shadows tab). 
>
> All my preferred browsers throw JS errors at me (Safari, FF, Chrome on 
> Mac).
>  
> Uncaught RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded
>
> *Skript: http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/ 
>  line 25874 > eval:137* (FF)
>
> Is this due to an error or to the many browser tabs I have in all of my 
> browsers?
>
> Kind regards,
> Thomas
>
> PS: Writing this I wondered about case differences in contents / Shadows 
> (first letter uppercase) is there a logic I am not aware of?
>

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[tw] TiddlyWiki farms ...

[Josiah]

Specially farmed #TiddlyWiki  
will, in the future, enable you to be God for fifteen minutes.

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Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

[Josiah]

Ciao Tobias and all

I delayed replying because I wanted to review what everyone has written, 
both here and in the parallel thread on Stack Exchange. 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/ZjVj_X_2BKY>

1 - A absolutely agree that the CORE work on Github is likely as good as is 
it could be. It works.

2 - I also agree that this Google Group is very good for ONGOING ISSUES. 

2a - BUT its also very poor at registering its own history. SOME things 
that happen here deserve persistent attention. THIS discussion itself is an 
example. As Google Groups is we will lose it unless action is taken whilst 
its at the forefront. As is this discussion has forked and its already got 
unwieldy to follow unless your manually cross-reference and care to read 
several threads.

2b - Helpful for this Group might be a top placed search address (that Wimm 
suggested) that helps you look at the archive for this group in a more 
useable way to:  Search This Group. 
<https://www.mail-archive.com/tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com/> (I suggested to 
Jeremy that he consider adding it to the intro section for the group.)

3a -  Riz's Reddit initiative at https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/ is a 
serious effort and in many ways is a very good environment to ask 
questions. The easy re-editing so you can keep tightening one's post. (I 
don't re-edit much here on GG as I'm aware no email recipient would see the 
changes. But good questions deserve honing until they are as clear as 
possible.) The better visual layout. Tagging. Upvoting. Additional Wikis. 
All very easy. 

3b - StackExchange/Overflow initiative that Arlen is advancing covers some 
of the same territory as 3a. The difference between Reddit & StackOverflow, 
as far as I grasp it, is it is a bit more orientated to technical 
specificity than Reddit. Supporting supplementary wikis looks a bit more 
difficult. Getting people involved requires numbers. The barriers to full 
entry look kinda high, though it would register real commitment if 
achieved. Arlen will correct me if I am wrong (please).

I would like, from my perspective, to ADD need for ...

4 - SHOWCASES. I mean COMPLETE TW's in a gallery system so you can, in ONE 
place, see what has been done. (I have learned MOST from seeing what others 
have done in finished, replete, TW's rather than minimal demos.)  

You talk about the "organic" process of sifting forward. The problem with 
"organic" is its so flexible its also in danger of becoming also "survival 
of the loudest" or "the lowest common denominator". Sometimes things get 
better through it. Sometimes not. In the back of my mind is casualties 
along the way. 

OVERALL my sense is we are a lot closer to a workable consensus right now 
than has been the case for a long time. I hope it will fruit.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Saturday, 17 December 2016 08:02:19 UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah,
>
> You brought up TWEderation as an example for let's say "more scattered" 
> information than you'd like that somehow doesn't organize nearly as good as 
> you wish and where you believe reddit could provide a better environment to 
> more efficiently bring the lose pieces together.
>
> The first point I would make is that TWEderation is a community effort 
> (one which I have hardly been involved in due to a new job I've been 
> working for the better part of this year now, sry about that, Jed & Mat). 
> However, much more so than for the TiddlyWiki core, if you have something 
> emerge out of a community effort, of course you'll be looking at a highly 
> organic project with goals and ideas being addressed and discussed and 
> tested that perhaps feel a bit like moving goalposts and so you may find it 
> difficult to get to the bottom of it or whatever you try to do with it or 
> find out.
>
> However, I would not project this kind of project-/-plugin-motivated 
> effort onto the TiddlyWiki project as the underlying foundation, even 
> though the core may as well present a wide range of topics that beg 
> addressing and leave you on a quest to figuring out the right entry point 
> to get things moving or just be able to simply "use" something, you know, 
> do as others did.
>
> Although perhaps cumbersome, the process to contribute to improving the 
> core documentation is quite established, from my point of view... while 
> sure leaving room for improvement here and there.
>
> Sure, bringing community documentation together and wrapping all that up 
> in a more unified searchable tagable folksonomy is an entirely different 
> thing. So, perhaps, with all the efforts on (that) reddit, perhaps the best 
> focus for it would be to establishing a kind of "knowledge-base" that does 
> not itself hold the information you're looking for, but only abstracts for 
&

Re: [tw] TiddlyWiki StackExchange

[Josiah]

Ciao Danielo & all

On Friday, 23 Dec, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> *Maybe we should stick this thread to enhance visibility* 


I very much agree that some threads deserve to get pinned here. Those that 
are of wide general developing importance.

As far as I know there is no agreed way to do that. 

ANYONE KNOW HOW TO?

It seems to me that when that does NOT happen a thread is more likely to 
disappear into the Usual Google Swamp.

The current discussion & initiatives here, as well as other threads this 
one partly developed from, deserve marking in some way. They are a 
different KIND of discussion than normal ongoing ones. And the recent ones 
address the overall communication & "documentation" situation as is, I 
think, better than anything I seen before. They deserve notice so we don't 
have to go round this discussion again in the future.

Given that Riz has also made a large initiative on "documentation" on 
Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/) I think its important to 
acknowledge and look at concrete options like that too, in addition to 
Stack Exchange/Overflow. 

It becomes hard to be fair in evaluation without knowing the options 
clearly. Google Groups is absolutely crap at contextualising things like 
this adequately. 

Pinning is the only mechanism I know of it it has that can approximate what 
is needed in order to provide that context.

Best wishes
Josiah




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Re: [tw] Re: Snippet question

[Josiah]

Ciao all

I hope I am understanding this issue correctly. If I am then I have a 
related issue. TW dynamically creates a lot of its content that is not 
persistent. In some circumstances this can become a limitation if you 
either need to edit the generated content or keep a non-dynamic copy. Here 
is a use case:

1 - I produce newsletters about film every week or so. I use a list to 
select X Tiddlers for inclusion in that list.

2 - I need to EDIT the RENDERED output Tiddler. I need to add comments and 
provide an overview for the readers concerning the topic of that particular 
newsletter.

3 - There is no merit in me specially creating Tiddlers to add comments, or 
having a comment field to do (2). These additions I make are ONLY for that 
one newsletter.

4 - At the moment, unless I'm missing something, I'm forced to manually cut 
and paste the rendered HTML before I can edit it. Its not ideal as the HTML 
formatting does not always transfer well.
 There is a screen scraper plugin that can help a bit with this. Its 
useful in that it limits its scrape to the Tiddler in focus, not the whole 
screen.

5 - The edited "rendered newsletter" Tiddlers I manually create I keep in 
an archive as self contained guides (non-dynamic) to aspects of cinema so I 
don't mistakenly destroy them. 

Tiddlers that dynamically produce output are great. But sometimes I really 
need a permanent copy of the rendered version to work on.

For such a use case how difficult would it be to CLONE the RENDERED version 
of a dynamically generated Tiddler to a new Tiddler?  

And would not a generic "Clone the Rendered Version of this Tiddler" also 
be a solution to David's issue? Or maybe I'm missing something?

Best wishes
Josiah

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Re: [tw] Re: Snippet question

[Josiah]

Ciao David

I was thinking of the Copy Button plugin:

http://copy.tiddlyspot.com/

I have not tested it in the latest version of TW. Its currently in v5.1.11.

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Re: [tw] Re: Snippet question

[Josiah]

Ciao David

There is screen scraper plugin somewhere that captures the rendered 
internal HTML of a Tiddler in focus. I think it will only give you HTML. I 
played with it. I had mixed results, mainly because of formatting issues. 
I'll see if I can find it.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Sunday, 25 December 2016 17:07:26 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> I just thought there might be a 'grab text from tiddler and paste it as 
> wikified text' macro I didn't know about.
>
> On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 9:58 AM, David Gifford <dgif...@crcna.org 
> > wrote:
>
>> Well, I do have a current system where the author and title appear as 
>> text in the edittemplate, wrapped by the formatting, and I copy and paste 
>> that when I need it. It is pretty easy. I just thought it would be nice to 
>> have it as a stamp to make it even easier. I guess I am just greedy!
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 9:22 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>
>>> I asked for a feature like this here: 
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/-KimJ3WSjfo
>>>
>>> I think with the current tech you could have  a snippet with a button 
>>> next to it. If you push the button, it updates the text. If you don't push 
>>> the button it stays the same. Hmmm ... maybe the button could have a style 
>>> attached, so that it's only visible when you want it to be visible. Of 
>>> course, that still means you will have to drag/drop the snippet and then 
>>> press the button.
>>>
>>> In your particular case, maybe it would be easier to hard code the text 
>>> snippet with the actual author and title. Obviously you are already going 
>>> through some process to change the text in the first tiddlers, so it seems 
>>> like changing the snippet text would not be that much harder.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> (Hey, who left this pile of coal under the tree??)
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2016 at 8:28:56 AM UTC-8, David Gifford wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> One more question. I would like to create a snippet that stamps the 
>>>> *current* text of a source tiddler into a second tiddler but where the 
>>>> stamped text in the second tiddler won't change if I later edit the text 
>>>> of 
>>>> the source tiddler. 
>>>>
>>>> I tried:
>>>>
>>>> @@.source {{$:/.giffmex/Source/Author}}, 
>>>> //{{$:/.giffmex/Source/Title}}//, @@
>>>>
>>>> but then I realized that if I later change the text in either of those 
>>>> two source tiddlers, the text will also change in the stamps.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
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Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

[Josiah]

Ciao Birthe C

It IS confusing. But I doubt there will be any change without a clear 
transfer process. As it is absolutely nothing has been settled on yet. So 
don't worry.

These periodic discussions do often, rightly, focus on the limitations of 
here. That does NOT mean this group is suddenly gonna disappear. If 
anything it will continue as is, despite its problems.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Friday, 23 December 2016 21:32:43 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> My big question is: Are you planning to end this Google group? I like it 
> for its simplicity. I do undertand that a lot of you here are very familiar 
> with a lot of other possibilities but admit that I am just getting more and 
> more confused. 
>
> I find a lot of inspiration in reading about other peoples work with 
> tiddlywiki from day to day. In fact I would not be much of a tiddlywiki 
> user without it. I am a reuser with some small twists ;-)
>
> Also my biggest problem  with searching is my bad english.
>
>
> Birthe
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Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

[Josiah]

Ciao Tobias for the detailed reply.

We are NOT at odds. Though probably talking about slightly different things.

To make it clear I was, and am, centrally focussed on the poor, poor nature 
of Google Groups. Its simplicity as a threaded discussion group is good. 
After that everything about it is Crap 101. I feel it needs to change. I'm 
not alone in that.

Practically speaking I got a brilliant answer inspired by a Reddit post 
that I wrote that solved a long term issue I have had over how to URL post 
properly URI encoded Tiddlers that Telmiger (http://tinyurl.com/zp3cc5s) 
answered with a working solution. The Google version is here: 
http://tinyurl.com/hwy99v4 though the unfoldment was on Reddit & Twitter. 
That is saying something. I tried here in this GG and failed in the past.

To be clear "documentation" is multi-facted, as you say. But if the most 
used system is a mess then its NOT good for anything. I content that Google 
Group is awful for anything other than fleeting messages.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Saturday, 17 December 2016 08:02:19 UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah,
>
> You brought up TWEderation as an example for let's say "more scattered" 
> information than you'd like that somehow doesn't organize nearly as good as 
> you wish and where you believe reddit could provide a better environment to 
> more efficiently bring the lose pieces together.
>
> The first point I would make is that TWEderation is a community effort 
> (one which I have hardly been involved in due to a new job I've been 
> working for the better part of this year now, sry about that, Jed & Mat). 
> However, much more so than for the TiddlyWiki core, if you have something 
> emerge out of a community effort, of course you'll be looking at a highly 
> organic project with goals and ideas being addressed and discussed and 
> tested that perhaps feel a bit like moving goalposts and so you may find it 
> difficult to get to the bottom of it or whatever you try to do with it or 
> find out.
>
> However, I would not project this kind of project-/-plugin-motivated 
> effort onto the TiddlyWiki project as the underlying foundation, even 
> though the core may as well present a wide range of topics that beg 
> addressing and leave you on a quest to figuring out the right entry point 
> to get things moving or just be able to simply "use" something, you know, 
> do as others did.
>
> Although perhaps cumbersome, the process to contribute to improving the 
> core documentation is quite established, from my point of view... while 
> sure leaving room for improvement here and there.
>
> Sure, bringing community documentation together and wrapping all that up 
> in a more unified searchable tagable folksonomy is an entirely different 
> thing. So, perhaps, with all the efforts on (that) reddit, perhaps the best 
> focus for it would be to establishing a kind of "knowledge-base" that does 
> not itself hold the information you're looking for, but only abstracts for 
> it, but mostly providing an environment for gathering pointers... to all 
> the bits of information out there that may help you answer a question or 
> achieve a goal... while leaving lengthy, at times philosophical ponderings 
> as well as "please help me" requests in the groups and efforts for a solid 
> core documentation to the more github oriented workflow.
>
> So, from a practical point of view, maybe we should discuss separation of 
> concerns rather than try to figure out the best environment for everything.
>
> *Google Groups*: whatever you want to discuss (in context)
> *TiddlyWiki on GitHub*: if you wish to improve the core (docs)
> *Reddit*: if you wish to tie otherwise lose ends together in terms of 
> bits of information pointing elsewhere
>
> maybe even a dedicated...
>
> *StackOverflow:* for figuring things out regarding the core, plugins, 
> themes from a developer / designer point of view
>
> ...something along these lines.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tobias.
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Re: [tw] TiddlyWiki StackExchange

[Josiah]

"TiddlyWiki" is a good name. Its maybe one non-British have to bend towards 
having never had their feet in a stream obsessed with small fish. I did & 
it fits the product IMO.

On Thursday, 22 December 2016 17:35:15 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Arlen
>
> Great thanks for your help with this.
>
> On 22 Dec 2016, at 15:45, Arlen Beiler  
> wrote:
>
> Remembering the thread about various oddities with the name
>
>
> I’d be inclined to stick with the name “TiddlyWiki”; it’s the name of the 
> project, for better or for worse. If we ever wanted to change it, we’d need 
> to do so consistently.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
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Re: [tw] TiddlyWiki StackExchange

[Josiah]

Let me be an idiot and point out this is a continuation of  (1) 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/R5Ml_P8IO5g  & (2) 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywikidev/ZTXNo9oUvn4.

This is the POINT with how CRAP Google Groups is. Cross connection is 
impossible, unless you do it manually.

I really want this thread to register its origins. So that later readers 
get the context.

We re-created the wheel enough already. 

IMO most any solution is better than Google Groups which is just an 
archived mailing list with Neanderthal search that is near useless.

I'm happier that a lot of folk implicitly & explicitly want to see a 
solution. I hope we can find one  & move on.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Thursday, 22 December 2016 17:35:15 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Arlen
>
> Great thanks for your help with this.
>
> On 22 Dec 2016, at 15:45, Arlen Beiler <arle...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:
>
> Remembering the thread about various oddities with the name
>
>
> I’d be inclined to stick with the name “TiddlyWiki”; it’s the name of the 
> project, for better or for worse. If we ever wanted to change it, we’d need 
> to do so consistently.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting Tweet – a macro for suggesting tweets to your visitors

[Josiah]

For people who like to social network this is one of the best innovations 
for yonks.

It shows HOW to post via correctly encoded URL mechanisms to social 
networks. the demo works flawlessly for Twitter.

But its even more than that in demonstrating the core mechanisms involved 
in HOW you can use URLs in general to do things.

Hats off!

Josiah

On Friday, 23 December 2016 13:57:11 UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Thank you all for the feedback I allready received, primarily via Twitter! 
>
> There is some additional info on the history and the solution here: 
> http://twitter.com/BeaBonobo/status/812272527854673920
>
> If anyone has the time to adapt for other networks*, feel free and ask me, 
> if you need support! 
>
> *Networks: see http://twitter.com/BeaBonobo/status/812271169198034944
>
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Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

[Josiah]

Ciao Wimm & all

That is very useful! The search in it produces more meaningful results than 
naked Google Groups does.

Search This Google Group ... Friendly Style 
<https://www.mail-archive.com/tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com/>

Thank you. 

It raises the point of, until there is greater clarity of the way to go to 
a better system, we could be getting MORE out of Goggle Groups than we are.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Wednesday, 21 December 2016 07:36:59 UTC+1, wimm wrote:
>
>
> another source to search the tiddlywiki googlegroups with more serach 
> options:
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com/  
> <https://www.mail-archive.com/tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com/>
>
> from their docucumentation:
>
> fancy boolean operators like + - AND OR NOT ().
>
> Finally, searches can be limited to a particular email field such as from
> , date, subject or message. 
>
> For example, one can find all messages from April 2002. 
>
> The sort order can be controlled by adding *sort:newest or sort:oldest* to 
> your search string.
>
>- "battle royale" +Jeff -Breidenbach -Marshall
>- (dualing OR dueling) AND banjos 
>- from:"Mac Oglesby" date:[19980101 TO 19981231] Breidenbach 
>date:200204*
>- help sort:newest
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/searching.html (which also describes wild 
> cards)
>
> keyboard shortcuts
>
> Access keyMnemonicAction
> Alt-n Next Later message by thread
> Alt-p Previous Earlier message by thread
> Alt-f Forward Later message by date
> Alt-b Back Earlier message by date
> Alt-i Index Chronological index
> Alt-c Contents Thread index
>
>
>
>
> wimm
>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Federation plugin and TWederation progress

[Josiah]

Jed

Why don't you PIN the Twederation stuff in Google Groups? Its a big 
evolving project that needs attention.

Pinning would at least mean when people browse online its at the top of 
list & does not lose its history. See also my comments here: mentioning 
Twederation. 
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/R5Ml_P8IO5g/ObRCo1dZCgAJ>

Best wishes
Josiah

On Monday, 19 December 2016 11:47:52 UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> A tutorial would be amazing!
>
> And I didn't know that page existed. It could be useful.
>
> The quick version is to go here: 
> http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/TWederation/ and follow the setup 
> wizard.
>
> The biggest thing that needs to be stressed more in the instructions is 
> that you need to load the wiki where it is hosted after the second step. 
> That is you enter the information for saving in the second step, then when 
> you save the wiki it saves it to tiddlyspot or your own server, then you 
> need to load the wiki on tiddlyspot or your server and continue the setup 
> from there.
>
> Let me know if you need any help. You can contact me using the google chat 
> thing at inmy...@gmail.com  if you need to.
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Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

[Josiah]

Lol,

Whilst this list is pretty advanced Computerse-English, the Nobel Dev 
version is Swahili to me :-)

Josiah 

Am Montag, 19. Dezember 2016 13:47:53 UTC+1 schrieb Eneko Gotzon:
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Josiah <prog...@assays.tv > 
> wrote:
>
>> TidlyWikiDev channel
>
>
> Knowing the user channel the dev one must be plenty of Nobels…​
>
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Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

[Josiah]

Please note that some issues relevant to this discussion are now also 
happening in the TidlyWikiDev channel ...  http://tinyurl.com/goswe9c

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Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

[Josiah]

Ciao Tobias

Sorry for the delay. I been busy. I wish I had replied before because this 
thread looks like its gone "off the boil". Which, from my point of view, is 
unfortunate.

Like many of the other posts in this discussion I find myself both agreeing 
& disagreeing . 

I AGREE with you on TWO core things ...

  1 - Some of the best DOCUMENTATION is written or curated by people 
dedicated to that task, not mixed up with anything else. YOUR work is an 
outstanding example of that. In no way do I want to detract from that fact.

  2 - Google Groups as an ongoing DISCUSSION FORUM is as good as any other. 
The fact it supports both web & email, & that it is reliable, gives it a 
real "bedrock".

Where I DIFFER somewhat is as follows ...

   A -  Google Groups loses its own history constantly. Its best at 
transient knowledge, very good for the thread at hand. Then, basically, its 
past.

  B - Multiple forums across the net instantiate what I should probably 
properly call "proto-documentation", rather than "Documentation" with a big 
"D". But not here. This type of documentation is accessible ONLY where 
there is ORGANISATION for longevity. 

To give an example from THIS group where GG fails badly. 
TWEDERATION orientation & documentation exists as much in the Google Group 
archive as it does on TW sites. And BOTH of them are REFRACTORY TO FINDING 
because the way GG works makes it extremely cumbersome. Even if you KNOW to 
look for them. Which you WON'T unless you have been reading everything. 
That goes for BOTH the docu-discussion AND the site addresses for the 
plugin. Pinning & Tagging would better enable that. A supplementary wiki on 
critical developments directly connected to such threads even more so. 

  C - What Riz has been doing on Reddit, just as one person with limited 
technical scope & time, has really impressed upon me that we could be doing 
MUCH BETTER. That is a lot to do with Reddit having searchable tagging of 
posts, & posters. AND supplementary wikis built in. 

   That is NOT so unusual. What is unusual is we persist with GG even 
though its CHOPPING OFF emergent directions everyday because it has NO 
interest in valuing history.

All this is perhaps not about "documentation" in the stricter sense you 
meant it. But,  from a practical point of view its still highly relevant.

Best wishes
Josiah



Best wishes
Josiah 



On Monday, 12 December 2016 19:49:28 UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah,
>  
>
>> Its worth noting a MAJOR theme is the discussion was we are losing 
>> valuable documentation all the time by not having an organised way to look 
>> at past threads. TAGs might help, at least as an interim.
>>
>
> Please keep in mind that discussing a subject matter and responding with 
> answers to highly specific requests is not at all the same as 
> "documentation". From what I see, reddit does not provide a knowledge base, 
> whereas TiddlyWiki.com very well has a splash of that.
>
> I think it is crucial for documentation to be curated, not just accrued. 
> You can argue that there's a learning curve to both contributing as well as 
> a latency to updates to tiddlywiki.com, but I would argue the quality and 
> consistency that brings are very much of need. A more or less lose 
> community built around another platform will quickly evolve into something 
> that may or may not actually be so much about TiddlyWiki.
>
> You see, Google groups does one thing and it does that good: provide a 
> platform for timely discussion. That is its purpose and it fulfills it. To 
> me, extracting documentation for presentation and consumption elsewhere is 
> an entirely different, ideally curated process.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tobias.
>

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