[tw] Re: TiddlyFox 1.0alpha7: Fewer confirmation alerts
Thanks for this! Would be great if it actually come out on the Mozilla add-ons site. All best. On Thursday, November 22, 2012 11:17:54 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote: I've just uploaded a new alpha release of TiddlyFox that avoids that pesky confirmation alert every time you open a TiddlyWiki document. It now remembers each document that you approve and doesn't ask a second time for the same URL. The new version won't hit the Mozilla add-ons site for a few days, so head over to GitHub to download it: https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox/raw/master/tiddlyfox.xpi With many thanks to Dimitris Gardiklis, who contributed the original code. Cheers Jeremy -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/-/LPCI1k1-KTsJ. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: TiddlySpace RFC
Glad I passed by and saw this! Great you're asking Chris! 1) I suggest a commenting feature where *non-registered* visitors can comment on tiddlers/spaces. Why? And isn't this more of a plugin issue? Well, it may be a plugin issue, but it is the single most powerful thing I can think of to attract people to TS-sites. The current social features in TS assume you're designing your spaces for fellow tiddlyspacemen, but at least my spaces are targeted at, well, regular folks. Adding a TW/TS built commenting feature would allow the spontaneous visitor to interact in a whole new way and it would make TS a lot more powerful. Ok, that said, here are some perhaps more conventional opinions: 2) I wish there was a general focus on mixing, merging, copying, slicing and dicing between spaces: a) Currently we can include a space into the current one. I wish we could push spaces b) ...and that we could include individual tiddlers. Especially with your tiddler centered focus (which I also find exciting!) I think it would be great if we could simply include a single tiddler, or at least its contents. Maybe something like tiddler tiddlername@space ? It is possible, today, to use iframes and the .txt and .html formats but... ugly. c) and finally also *pushing *individual tiddlers. Once again, maybe it's a plugin thing but imagine visiting a space and seeing some interesting tiddler only to push it into some space of yours via some command right there. Maybe a default toolbar command for this could be possible as long as all spaces involved are on TS. I'm uncertain if such a pushed tiddler means it actually refers back to the original tiddler or if it is a local copy. With my naive non-programming eyes, all of the above seems to be about interconnecting subsets of spaces and I'm hoping for some general solution. Some of what you guys are discussing in this thread, such as integrated searches and publishing individual tiddlers sounds related. With the tiddler centered perspective you advocate, Chris, I think these ideas are already up on the table, no? 3) I tried, and noted others trying, to use mGSD on TS but it doesn't work. I wish it did. 4) Regarding your observation that few/none seem to have opinions on the integration of TW5 in TS - well, most of us hardly know what TW5 is yet. So FWIW: I'm assuming TW5 will be great and gradually take over from classic TW, so of course I'd appreciate if TS integrates this somehow :-) Thank you Chris! :-) On Monday, October 22, 2012 3:43:39 PM UTC+2, Chris Dent wrote: In the past couple of days TiddlySpace (on http://tiddlyspace.com/) reached its 6000th user so now seems like an opportune time to request some feedback from the various communities that use it and those that have thought about it but don't yet. I'm writing different versions of this message to different groups. This, the first, is to the tiddlywiki group, I'll also write to the TiddlyWeb and TiddlySpace groups[1] if time allows. I'm writing here first because of those 6000 users, most of them are using TiddlySpace as a place to host their content in TiddlyWikis. For those who don't know TiddlySpace combines TiddlyWeb[2] and TiddlyWiki to provide a flexible, multi-user and multi-domain hosting service for tiddlers with system-wide search, public and private storage, atom feeds, binary tiddlers and a slew of tools to make it easy to create, curate and share your content. Over the past year most of the development on TiddlySpace has been focused in a few main areas: * Stabilizing and optimizing the service for speed and concurrency. * Enabling what are being called apps: Web applications on TiddlySpace, using tiddlers, outside of TiddlyWiki. * Enabling real-time information flows with tiddler information flowing over websockets. As is the case with most open source projects these priorities come about as a result of who is doing the work and who is being the squeaky wheel. This message is a request for people to squeak and speak up about what they want or need from TiddlySpace. Doing so will help to form priorities and ensure that TiddlySpace serves all the people who use it or want to use it. Any comments or propositions are encouraged and desired. If you don't have something narrative to contribute, then commenting on any of the following (+1 or -1) propositions would also be useful, along with any editorial remarks (such as how to accomplish the proposition): * Make the default TiddlyWiki presented by TiddlySpace be more like empty.html with the option to easily add functionality. Or... * Make the default TiddlyWiki be flexible and powerful with TiddlySpace functionality with the option to easily be more like empty.html. * Provide more blessed themes and verticals and make them easier to find. * Accelerate progress on including TiddlyWiki5 in TiddlySpace. * Intergrate
[tw] Re: Playing around with NoteStorm...again...
Hi David, from what I assume is your target group, here are some potential 'unclarities' (straight from the website, not downloaded): random note doesn't yield anything other than blank for me. Not sure it is a needed feature to begin with, by the way. There are small minus signs to the right and left of the + = - part. The right show index arrow would be better placed more floating right. I almost completely missed the tabs in the front tiddler! I.e the grayed out text, Using NoteStorm etc. This may actually be because I'm an experienced TW user though, i.e I probably subconscoiusly assumed this was a toolbar and therefore did not actively look at it. Under Using NoteStorm is says how to create new indexes... maybe this is seen in the downloaded verision, but not in the online one. I also have some purely aesthetical opinions: Tiddler text is unnecessarily right indented from the title. Would like the left index title (NoteStorm) to be a bit more indented (but not the index content) I'd prefer the top bar items more spaced out. Tiddler toolbar is also in a funny place, I'd prefer it more to the right but also lower down. (Because you use much space between title and text, maybe you could have the toolbar under the text?) Hope this is of any value. All best. On Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:38:15 AM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote: Wow, not even one comment... Dave On Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:33:26 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote: Hi everyone I would love your feedback on NoteStorm http://www.giffmex.org/NoteStorm.html I made it even easier and faster to take notes. The only thing that would make this better is to have a bookmarklet like the old TiddlySnip, which I experimented with and it didn't work for this. I am wondering if this would be a good one for TiddlySpot to add to its templates for its users. Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/-/9kOsj-mviZgJ. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Referencing tids generically in SideBar
On Jul 9, 11:31 am, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote: Sry, I haven't been clear, as I wrote, I think fET needs to be checked. You should contact abego Software about this. This is the LOL, I thought checked was hacker lingo for something. Thank you for the advice. I wrote to 'abego' and I will post any news here - but if anyone has any other ideas, they're more than welcome. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Referencing tids generically in SideBar
I really, really appreciate your answer, but: Instead of using inTiddler in the nested fET expression just pass the tiddler title as a second parameter to the inner fET expression: ...unfortunately hardcoding it will not work for my application. Background: I'm designing a theme space [1] so for this reason, the theme must treat things like titles generically. But, I'm not sure the problem lies in the fET. The difficulty is referencing the tiddler whose content is displayed. I've found these discussions and it does seem to be (or was?) a problematic matter: http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/b88d16971bbc5410/4565d7034e5aea02?lnk=gstq=reference+current+tiddlers+title#4565d7034e5aea02 I've made some changes to the example space reflects the above: http://tidref.tiddlyspace.com/ I appreciate your kind input, Mario and Udo but will have to put it on hold for now though as I'll be on limited internet for two weeks now. All best. :-) [1] The theme, so far, can be seen at http://theme-a.tiddlyspace.com and one community relevant application is at http://tidbits.tiddlyspace.com where I'll write up design suggestions for tiddlywiki/tiddlyspace and other ideas, reflections, etc -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: LinkifyPlugin not link to current tiddler
was too late yesterday ;-) So, if I add this, it must be that when transcluded the title in-fact is linkified as the outmost tiddler is a different one. And now it's late here so I'm not sure I get this right, but anyway: The point I'm making is from a pure user perspective; Such links simply refocuses what is already in focus which serves absolutely no purpose and is only distracting. While this of course can be the behaviour of standard links too, I guess the difference lies in that standard links are put there manually and thus for a purpose. (I hope those two sentences don't come off as arrogant. I'm just trying to clarify.) Again, thank you Tobias :-) (Might now have limited internet access for two weeks so might have difficulty replying.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: How indent all listed content, not only first paragraph
For the record,
pmario's solution does the trick, ie. in StyleSheet, add:
.myIndent {display: block; margin-left: 3em;}
The idea with a inside the NestedSlider works but gives a vertical
line along the block. Not always desired.
The idea with a : does not work in this context.
@coredev - I find it odd that default {{indent{}}} is not defined to
work for this.
Thank you all!
:-)
On Jul 4, 10:31 am, Jacques Turbé jacques.tu...@gmail.com wrote:
Or just use the : dt indent in your format ?
forEachTiddler where 'tiddler.tags.contains(tag1)'
write '* [[+tiddler.title+]]\n:tiddler
[[+tiddler.title
+]]$))\n\n'
(hope it works, I haven't tested !)
J.
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[tw] Re: Listing a subset of the current tiddlers tags
I'm reminded of one of the problems I've encountered many times, so just maybe you find value in this or perhaps it is the very same question: After much headache I eventually boiled down the question to this phrase: List all tiddlers tagged with names of tiddlers that, in turn, are tagged with a specific tag. A practical example could be to list all pupils that are tagged with classnames. Each class is tagged with 'class' and the number of classes are arbitrary so you can't hard code them into the 'where clause'. My listalizer of choce is fET but this does unfortunately not seem possible there, at least not in a standard manner. If this is your question, I'll provide the answers from the kind people here and discoveries I made. (How you prefer to present the resulting list, in a line or so, is another matter). :-) On Jul 8, 4:54 am, TonyM anthony.mus...@gmail.com wrote: Tanks -m, I do use Tagsplorer explorer and it is very useful, however in this case I want to use the current tiddlers tags #1 (Themselves Tiddlers with their own tags #2) - filter #1 based on #2 and return them in a form where I can use the results for multiple functions. Are you suggesting I use the code from Tagsplorer ? A Specific case example. Of all the tags on the current tiddler a number of them indicate they are related to one or more projects. A Project tag/tiddler is indicated as such buy the a Project tag/tiddler having the tag project. I want a facility to return all tags on the current tiddler that represent a project. Then I can choose how I will use this subset of tags. So for the current tiddler I want to scan all its tags and determine which tags represent projects. In One case I want to display a horizontal line of Projects associated with this tiddler (Not showing other tags such as status/priority etc...) I would like each project to have a link to the project to open it and a checkbox to toggle if the current tiddler is tagged with the project, so I can quickly remove it. The General case This facility will see a gap I perceive in tiddlywiki fixed, where the tagging facility is very powerful yet once a tiddler is tagged you loose information about the tags because there is no attributes on the tags. This facility will allow me to lookup the attribute of a given tag - eg; it is a status tag, or project tag thus allow me to selectively handle tags on the current tiddler by this attribute. Regards Tony On Saturday, 7 July 2012 19:24:05 UTC+10, PMario wrote: Hi Tony, FND created a tagsplorer [1] macro, which may be interesting for you. I did use it to organize my bookmarks. -m [1] http://svn.tiddlywiki.org/Trunk/contributors/FND/plugins/TagsplorerMa... [2]http://pmbm.tiddlyspace.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] LinkifyPlugin not link to current tiddler
@Tobias or anyone who knows Is it possible to make LinkifyPlugin[1] automatically not create links to the very current tiddler? I would suggest this is default actually as the current behaviour makes little sense. As stated before: thank you for an extremely interesting plugin. It touches the very core ideas of the whole http purpose. :-) [1] http://linkify.tiddlyspot.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: How indent all listed content, not only first paragraph
Now that is one even more general solution to an even more recurring
problem (ie. broken bullet lists).
And so simple at that !
Thank you!!
:-)
P.S Now the mystery arises how the heck Eric can get his indentation
so perfect on the google forum!!? LOL!
(I minor detail for anyone copy-pasting direclty, there's a missing }
On Jul 8, 3:04 pm, Eric Shulman elsdes...@gmail.com wrote:
pmario's solution does the trick, ie. in StyleSheet, add:
.myIndent {display: block; margin-left: 3em;}
Here's another CSS trick that works with bullets at all levels, and
does not need any StyleSheet definition at all: simply put a CSS-
wrapper around the extra lines of indented content, and make sure to
start the wrapper on the end of the first line of the bullet item (the
one with the *). Because the CSS wrapper starts on that first line,
the content within the wrapper is formatted with the same indentation.
Thus, the following TW syntax:
* text for item #1 {{wrapper{
more content
including blank lines as desired}}}
** text for item #1.1{{wrapper{
2nd level extra lines
etc}}
* text for item #2
* text for item #3
results in:
* text for item #1
more content
including blank lines as desired
* text for item #1.1
2nd level extra lines
etc
* text for item #2
* text for item #3
Note how the indent matches the current bullet item regardless of the
level, rather than being a fixed amount (e.g., margin-left: 3em).
Also note that the CSS classname wrapper is a placeholder. It
doesn't need to be defined in the StyleSheet, since it's only purpose
is to create a 'container element' to hold the extra lines of bullet
item content.
In your original fET loop, you wrote:
---
forEachTiddler where 'tiddler.tags.contains(tag1)'
write '* [[+tiddler.title+]]\n{{indent{tiddler
[[+tiddler.title
+]]$))}}}\n\n'
---
Try this:
change the CSS classname (from indent to some placeholder) and move
the \n to follow the opening of the CSS wrapper, like this:
---
forEachTiddler where 'tiddler.tags.contains(tag1)'
write '* [[+tiddler.title+]]{{wrapper{\ntiddler
[[+tiddler.title
+]]$))}}}\n\n'
---
enjoy,
-e
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[tw] Re: LinkifyPlugin not link to current tiddler
No, wait, what I mean is that when you're in a specific tiddler, say TiddlerA, then it is a bit of an overkill that if I mention TiddlerA in the text it gets linkified. (There's no point in clikingt it as I'm already in that very tiddler). The general auto-linking titles to existing tiddlers is GREAT (as long as it is easy to disable on demand). This is really what weaves things automatically. Thanx Tobias! :-) On Jul 8, 11:09 pm, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote: I guess you mean auto-linking the titles of existing tiddlers, right? I thought I had that fixed / implemented already... I guess I haven't ...or rather I forgot about that ;-) Will take a look. Tobias. Am Sonntag, 8. Juli 2012 16:15:59 UTC+2 schrieb twgrp: @Tobias or anyone who knows Is it possible to make LinkifyPlugin[1] automatically not create links to the very current tiddler? I would suggest this is default actually as the current behaviour makes little sense. As stated before: thank you for an extremely interesting plugin. It touches the very core ideas of the whole http purpose. :-) [1]http://linkify.tiddlyspot.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Referencing tids generically in SideBar
hope this helps. ...well, I figured out what the term DOM means but the wikipedia article is too informative to be of use and to install and learn a developing environment... it'll have to be another time, but thanks anyway. If anyone happens to know a quick fix I'd be more than happy to hear it. Thank you all! :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Toggle between 2 custom field values?
I can't figure out if it is possible to use tiddlytools CheckboxPlugin[1] to toggle between two custom field values - alternatively how else to do it. The application is in TiddlySpace to toggle the field server.bag between spacename_private and spacename_public I.e a checkbox to set the tiddler as public or private... but in CheckboxPlugin I can only find how to toggle between true and false for a field, not for other values. Is it possible? How else? I intend to use this in a forEachTiddler with something like: forEachTiddler ... write 'checkbox [[server.bag@+tiddler.title+]]$))\n' ... (The purpose is to get lists in TS where it's easy to publish/ privatize the filtered tids) Thank you! :-) [1] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#CheckboxPlugin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: forEachTiddler with partTiddler
I recall recommendations *against* using parts and instead use either slices or, hm what's it called, headings? Not quite sure why, though... ? Examples of this are: |Here|is a slice value| !And here is a heading value You pull out the values via: tiddlername::Here and [[tiddlername##And here]] :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Method to hide/show bits of tiddler content. Other suggestions?
This type of markup doesn't provide privacy,
It's ok if you need to deal with visibility.
Ah, yes, invisibility would be enough. I guess security is always at
risk when it all is downloaded to the viewer, encrypted or not.
If (when?) they make it possible to import individual tiddlers from
other tiddlyspaces then I imagine it should be straight forward
though. (If password correct, then import tiddler x)
a)
{{myWrapper{showWhenTagged test some text }}}
b)
{{myWrapper{hideWhen readOnly some text }}}
Interesting! Forgive my ignorance but how do I actually define this?
In StyleSheet I write something like this, yes? -
#contentWrapper
.hide { }
Thanks!
:-)
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[tw] How indent all listed content, not only first paragraph
Via a simple forEach I'm generating a list to show the title and
contents of each listed tiddler.
For each listed item, the first paragraph indents nicely but the
indentation is lost once there is a new paragraph/line break, like
this:
-
* title1
__paragraph1, nicely indented
paragraph2, shood be indentated too... but, nope, ain't
-
forEachTiddler where 'tiddler.tags.contains(tag1)'
write '* [[+tiddler.title+]]\n{{indent{tiddler [[+tiddler.title
+]]$))}}}\n\n'
I figure there must be a solution because if I use eg. second level
bullets (**) all paragraphs indent properly. I've searched the
archives but I can't quite find anything discussing this particular
aspect.
Thank you!
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[tw] Re: How indent all listed content, not only first paragraph
Thank you Mario (as always), but I put up a simple test case
http://tabort4.tiddlyspace.com/#fet (pmario added)
tiddler [[tidName]] indent
yields the same result: second paragraph not indented. BTW, that's a
tiddler macro argument I'm not familiar with and was quite surprised
to see it work at all!
...but maybe it is a .indent CSS matter. I find it in
StyleSheetLayout where it says:
#contentWrapper
.indent {margin-left:3em;}
Not sure what to do...
:-)
On Jun 30, 4:37 pm, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote:
How does your .indent CSS look like?
can yout try:
forEachTiddler where 'tiddler.tags.contains(tag1)'
write '* [[+tiddler.title+]]\ntiddler [[+tiddler.title
+]] indent\n\n'
Transcluding a tiddler like:
tiddler [[tidName]] indent
is very similar to your snippet but imo produces a different HTML DOM
structure.
I didn't test it. so it is a hint only
-m
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[tw] Re: TiddlySpot Support
Please note there have been issues over the past week due to the host, see info: http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/ Simon Baird is the guy who generously is providing tiddlyspot for us. :-) On Jun 29, 2:05 pm, Alvin alvin.orzechow...@gmail.com wrote: My TiddlySpot file is coming up blank. Who do I contact or what do I do to correct this? Thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] [concept] Method to hide/show bits of tiddler content. Other suggestions?
Are there any suggestions how to hide and show *bits* of a tiddler? For example, I want to show this first half of this sentence but this second half only if some criteria is fulfilled. A more practical application (that I use!) is to have a + (i.e a newHere or similar) appear next to each item in forEach-generated lists... but the + only appears for me, not to a visitor! I achieve this with a simple macro call, for each item in the fET, to a tiddler containing newHere label:+ tag:$1 which is set as private. The result is a that I can easily create subtiddlers to the listed items but the visitor can't see any such button at all. Are there other methods to show or hide bits on command? I guess the ideal would be some kind of local tags like: This is public but privatethis is private and/private some things are private if user==president only relevant for your eyes such as/ private secrets... There is Simons great HideWhenPlugin[1] but this is applied in ViewTemplate and EditTemplate so it is not as specific inside tiddlers and it has to be defined in advance. Or am I missing something? Here are two examples from his plugin: div macro=showWhenTagged Task[[TaskToolbar]]/div div macro=showWhen tiddler.modifier == 'BartSimpson'img src=bart.gif//div Other suggestions? Now with tiddlyspace, things are much more out in the open so I see a need for greater control on this. Thank you! [1] http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/#HideWhenPlugin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: MPTW Documentation Best Practice
Who knows, maybe you find value in these: http://tiddlydocs.tiddlyspace.com/ http://vanillatiddlydocs.tiddlyspot.com/ :-) On Apr 28, 11:41 am, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi bluespire First off, you ask for best practice in the headline but I'd guess(!) there is none because TW is such a general tool that what you describe has probably not been done by many. That said, I would say that this would be a LOT easier to do if you deal with text instead of pictures. Perhaps you've taken screendumps on a pdf? Did you know that you can actually select text in a pdf doc to copy paste into a text editor? (select by left click and dragging mouse). An idea to actually get it into tiddlers in TW is to put this text into a spreadsheet(!)! This way you could relatively easy move sections under one another vertically and add your desired tags next to each. Export as CSV into eg. Notepad and then copy-pase into tiddlytools CreateTiddlersFromCSV [1] that takes an actual CSV text and converts it into tiddlers! You will (for sure) have to experiment a bit with a smaller experiment to get the details right. If you do intend to use the picture version anyway, you may wish to follow one of the current discussions here on how to display pictures from a Picasa album [2] or possibly other storage. (Interestingly, at least IMO, I just last night posted that perhaps it could be generalized into a more general file handling system.) This does not quite address your issues but if(!) it were to develop into something where individual items in a gallery display can be tagged then it could probably work. Note: generally, you should only show pictures in TW via links. Storing actual pictures in TW makes it very big and slow, but links are smooth. :-) [1]http://tiddlytools.com/#CreateTiddlersFromCSV [2]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/b85ca9... On Apr 28, 10:35 am, bluespire gswrut...@gmail.com wrote: I'm translating a large number of telecom troubleshooting documents into an MPTW. The most complicated once I have thus far is 43 pages including screenshots with multiple chapters and sub-chapters. My question is what would be the best practice in inputting these types of documents? Here are my thoughts thus far: - Store each image/figure as individual jpegs. - Break each section into its own tiddler - Tag each section with its respective chapter - Tag each chapter with the document name My thinking is this: breaking the whole thing up into small chunks of data will make searching easier, rather than pulling up a monolithic document on one search. It will also help cut down on loading times, since each sections has 1 or 2 screenshots (53 total). Maybe I can make the document tiddler have an option to transclude all the sub-tiddlers? I don't know how to do this, however. Thoughts? I have another problem, as well. the TW is stored on network storage. As such, anyone that opens it is opening as a local file, and will be able to edit it. Is there anyway to make editing impossible on a local file without some kind of key? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: MPTW Documentation Best Practice
Hi bluespire First off, you ask for best practice in the headline but I'd guess(!) there is none because TW is such a general tool that what you describe has probably not been done by many. That said, I would say that this would be a LOT easier to do if you deal with text instead of pictures. Perhaps you've taken screendumps on a pdf? Did you know that you can actually select text in a pdf doc to copy paste into a text editor? (select by left click and dragging mouse). An idea to actually get it into tiddlers in TW is to put this text into a spreadsheet(!)! This way you could relatively easy move sections under one another vertically and add your desired tags next to each. Export as CSV into eg. Notepad and then copy-pase into tiddlytools CreateTiddlersFromCSV [1] that takes an actual CSV text and converts it into tiddlers! You will (for sure) have to experiment a bit with a smaller experiment to get the details right. If you do intend to use the picture version anyway, you may wish to follow one of the current discussions here on how to display pictures from a Picasa album [2] or possibly other storage. (Interestingly, at least IMO, I just last night posted that perhaps it could be generalized into a more general file handling system.) This does not quite address your issues but if(!) it were to develop into something where individual items in a gallery display can be tagged then it could probably work. Note: generally, you should only show pictures in TW via links. Storing actual pictures in TW makes it very big and slow, but links are smooth. :-) [1] http://tiddlytools.com/#CreateTiddlersFromCSV [2] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/b85ca91c8bb092e3 On Apr 28, 10:35 am, bluespire gswrut...@gmail.com wrote: I'm translating a large number of telecom troubleshooting documents into an MPTW. The most complicated once I have thus far is 43 pages including screenshots with multiple chapters and sub-chapters. My question is what would be the best practice in inputting these types of documents? Here are my thoughts thus far: - Store each image/figure as individual jpegs. - Break each section into its own tiddler - Tag each section with its respective chapter - Tag each chapter with the document name My thinking is this: breaking the whole thing up into small chunks of data will make searching easier, rather than pulling up a monolithic document on one search. It will also help cut down on loading times, since each sections has 1 or 2 screenshots (53 total). Maybe I can make the document tiddler have an option to transclude all the sub-tiddlers? I don't know how to do this, however. Thoughts? I have another problem, as well. the TW is stored on network storage. As such, anyone that opens it is opening as a local file, and will be able to edit it. Is there anyway to make editing impossible on a local file without some kind of key? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Picasa gallery display in TW
@Mario, but probably of interest for all Google Drive... actually... I'm beginning to think this might be a viable way after all. It turns out Drive has a Grid View (button next to the cogweel) to show thumbnails! I don't think this existed in Docs. Thus, from a show-via-TW point, you have all the desired features as far as I can tell: - you have a storage place for the pics - it is the same storage space where you save other files (Picasa is a separate one-purpose system) - ...and it syncs across all your devices - you can look at the pics conveniently in that Drive folder (the Grid View) - you can sort and rearrange smoothly (Picasa, or at least Picasaweb that I use is very iffy eg. with tiny menus that you must enter to move stuff) - and you can share stuff publically or with secret link - both folders and files One point with Picasa is the surrounding system to show albums etc - but this is exactly what we don't use when we want it via TW instead. IMO, Google Drive is pretty much all anyone could wish for - or? Also, I can imagine that it would be desirable for a TW user to be able to generate a gallery in TW showing not only pics but also eg a document or so. (Maybe not for vacation pictures, but definitely as part of work projects etc). Then the picture gallery concept that this whole thread has been concerned about is really generalized into a document management concept. Thoughts? :-) On Apr 27, 12:52 am, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: Of potential interest: http://shahidhussain.com/tech/google-drive-vs-google-photos-vs-picasa... :-) On Apr 26, 8:01 pm, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote: New version [1]: * I did remove the UNIQUE_ID parameter from the transclusion call. * New transclusion ##AuthAlbum which displays restricted album content. Album ID: The easiest way to get the authKey is, to display the restrected album content. The authKey is part of the browsers URL now. If the album is opened, klicking the RSS feed button will display thehttp://...albumid/xxx?asan URL ...The ? is _not_ part of the albumID anymore. have fun! mario [1]http://picasagallery.tiddlyspace.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Using TagglyTagging with different themes
On Apr 26, 8:11 am, springcat tanm...@gmail.com wrote: visible with such tags in Mptw theme. I've looked at the TTplugin/ stylesheet code, but with my very limited skills, I couldn't figure out what to alter. You should alter things in the ViewTemplate of the theme you're using. (Note, the tiddler ViewTemplate is the default view template and probably not the one used in your theme). The view template defines which parts the tiddler should consist of in view mode, thus basically: toolbar title text tags Note that what you probably want is to *replace* the existing bottom most tags with the taggly.. And, just FYI, it is also possible to include tagglytagging in the bottom of the EditTemplate (in your theme). :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Picasa gallery display in TW
Of potential interest: http://shahidhussain.com/tech/google-drive-vs-google-photos-vs-picasa-web/ :-) On Apr 26, 8:01 pm, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote: New version [1]: * I did remove the UNIQUE_ID parameter from the transclusion call. * New transclusion ##AuthAlbum which displays restricted album content. Album ID: The easiest way to get the authKey is, to display the restrected album content. The authKey is part of the browsers URL now. If the album is opened, klicking the RSS feed button will display thehttp://...albumid/xxx?as an URL ...The ? is _not_ part of the albumID anymore. have fun! mario [1]http://picasagallery.tiddlyspace.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Picasa gallery display in TW
Album ID I found a thread mentioning that: http://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/d/msg/picasa/UkAx1-JhGOI/dkAeZ9FjLvMJ Go to your PWA account and click on the album in question. Click on the 'RSS' link to the right. You should get something like the following: picasaweb.google.com/data/feed/base/user/PWAusername/albumid/ 1234567890123456789?alt=rsskind=photohl=en_US ... This is at least better than what I described above peeking at the page source etc. Just maybe it is possible to extract it since it appearently does exist there as a link. ...or, just maybe the page to apply the whole picasaplugin/slimbox should be the RSS page!? I also found this possibly relevant thread which is a bit too cryptic for me: http://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/d/topic/picasa/hh1ZAvon8p8/discussion (I don't know if it is an issue, but maybe one should be alert so they don't discuss the Picasa desktop application instead of Picasaweb.) Of any value? (I'm asking anybody interested in the matter of course, not just local hero PMario ;-) :-) On Apr 25, 12:33 am, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 24, 2:15 pm, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote: authkey : 'optional-picasa-authkey', ... I did a test, but the plugin doesn't show the thumb. Needs some more testing see [2] Yeah, it would be great if it could work. (Apparently picasa is fully connected to Google+ meaning that if you make a picture/album fully public in picasa then it is so also in G+. Annoying to have anyone watch the kids pics I store in Picasa, not to mention pics of the sofa I'm selling etc.) examples. But most of the time, some TW wrapping is needed. eg: UNIQE_ID which needs to be there, if you want to open several tiddlers at the same time ... This could be part of the script but it would need more programming. With open several tiddlers do you mean with one pic/tumbnail per tiddler, or why several tids? Anyway, that is a great idea. If you allow me: Having each loaded thumbnail be a link to an (eventual?) tiddler with the picture. That current enlarge+black background display is very good and deserves to stay, but it would be awesome if a gallery is loaded and you're allowed to handle with one picture at a time in TW. If it is at all possible (I'm going crazy here) there could be eg. a small icon under each thumbnail. If the tumbnail itself is clicked then that enlarged/black bgr is displayed but if the small icon is clicked, the tiddler opens (is created?) showing the enlarged picture (plus any additional tiddler content). And (going even crazier) imagine if one could fET these things on tags and get a resulting list of icons? That would really make for easy made galleries :-) Considering how there are relatively few de facto products for photo storage, and the enormous popularity of pics/clips, it is a bit surprising these things are not very established in TiddlyVerse. (...said the big-mouth who can't code...) I'll try to find some easier way for that album ID at the picasa forums. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Picasa gallery display in TW
Just for reference/record if anyone were to pick up on the ideas about dealing with thumbnails like tiddlers, I found this: http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/a2f1a532bc83aded/72d8ec08e6e69157?lnk=gstq=pushing#72d8ec08e6e69157 twgrp/Mat (...why could I change my nick in another google group but not this one? Oh well...) On Apr 25, 1:31 pm, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: Album ID I found a thread mentioning that: http://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/d/msg/picasa/UkAx1... Go to your PWA account and click on the album in question. Click on the 'RSS' link to the right. You should get something like the following: picasaweb.google.com/data/feed/base/user/PWAusername/albumid/ 1234567890123456789?alt=rsskind=photohl=en_US ... This is at least better than what I described above peeking at the page source etc. Just maybe it is possible to extract it since it appearently does exist there as a link. ...or, just maybe the page to apply the whole picasaplugin/slimbox should be the RSS page!? I also found this possibly relevant thread which is a bit too cryptic for me:http://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/d/topic/picasa/hh1... (I don't know if it is an issue, but maybe one should be alert so they don't discuss the Picasa desktop application instead of Picasaweb.) Of any value? (I'm asking anybody interested in the matter of course, not just local hero PMario ;-) :-) On Apr 25, 12:33 am, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 24, 2:15 pm, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote: authkey : 'optional-picasa-authkey', ... I did a test, but the plugin doesn't show the thumb. Needs some more testing see [2] Yeah, it would be great if it could work. (Apparently picasa is fully connected to Google+ meaning that if you make a picture/album fully public in picasa then it is so also in G+. Annoying to have anyone watch the kids pics I store in Picasa, not to mention pics of the sofa I'm selling etc.) examples. But most of the time, some TW wrapping is needed. eg: UNIQE_ID which needs to be there, if you want to open several tiddlers at the same time ... This could be part of the script but it would need more programming. With open several tiddlers do you mean with one pic/tumbnail per tiddler, or why several tids? Anyway, that is a great idea. If you allow me: Having each loaded thumbnail be a link to an (eventual?) tiddler with the picture. That current enlarge+black background display is very good and deserves to stay, but it would be awesome if a gallery is loaded and you're allowed to handle with one picture at a time in TW. If it is at all possible (I'm going crazy here) there could be eg. a small icon under each thumbnail. If the tumbnail itself is clicked then that enlarged/black bgr is displayed but if the small icon is clicked, the tiddler opens (is created?) showing the enlarged picture (plus any additional tiddler content). And (going even crazier) imagine if one could fET these things on tags and get a resulting list of icons? That would really make for easy made galleries :-) Considering how there are relatively few de facto products for photo storage, and the enormous popularity of pics/clips, it is a bit surprising these things are not very established in TiddlyVerse. (...said the big-mouth who can't code...) I'll try to find some easier way for that album ID at the picasa forums. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Picasa gallery display in TW
On Apr 26, 1:43 am, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote: I found out, how it works. If we know the albumName or albumId and the authkey, it is possible to programmatically access the album. An album overview is restricted by picasa devs. (may be because of privacy issues). Great!!! (and strange restriction) ... This would need to load picture stuff into TW. Not sure about this. May be the thumbs, with links to the big picture. Like I did with fancybox. ... Yes, yes. [img[url]] or something. Not the actual pic of course. (Just maybe those urls that Picasa provide to individual pics can be fetched?) ... And (going even crazier) imagine if one could fET these things on tags and get a resulting list of icons? That would really make for easy made galleries :-) Picasa has tags too, so filtering would be possible at load time. I guess both are desirable even if TW filtering probably makes more sense unless the source gallery is huge and there are time issues or such. Actually, are the tumbs shown when the whole code is done processing or are they spit out (spitted? spitten?) one at the time in the process? I'm asking both from a time perspetive (which clearly is not an issue as far as I can tell but just might be with huge albums) but I'm also asking because if they're spit/en/ed out one at a time then I'm guessing they're easier to wrap up into tiddlers. (...here Matias is talking about stuff he has no clue about. It has happened before.) Considering how there are relatively few de facto products for photo storage, and the enormous popularity of pics/clips, it is a bit surprising these things are not very established in TiddlyVerse. (...said the big-mouth who can't code...) Loading pictures into a TW makes an offline file bloated. No, sorry, I didn't mean a TW to replace those products. I was just ref. to the fact that there is relatively little about pics and media in TiddlyVerse relative to how big an issue it is on the general internet. But maybe we already have the tools needed. Except for picasagallery of course ;-) ...album ID Note: Above here, I posted some stuff I found on album ID's. This coding is beyond me but I would assume the RSS idea could be viable considering that RSS, if anything, is made to get things 'out'. have fun! I am! LOL Although I'm a bit frustrated that I can only contribute so marginally. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Picasa gallery display in TW
On Apr 24, 2:15 pm, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote: authkey : 'optional-picasa-authkey', ... I did a test, but the plugin doesn't show the thumb. Needs some more testing see [2] Yeah, it would be great if it could work. (Apparently picasa is fully connected to Google+ meaning that if you make a picture/album fully public in picasa then it is so also in G+. Annoying to have anyone watch the kids pics I store in Picasa, not to mention pics of the sofa I'm selling etc.) examples. But most of the time, some TW wrapping is needed. eg: UNIQE_ID which needs to be there, if you want to open several tiddlers at the same time ... This could be part of the script but it would need more programming. With open several tiddlers do you mean with one pic/tumbnail per tiddler, or why several tids? Anyway, that is a great idea. If you allow me: Having each loaded thumbnail be a link to an (eventual?) tiddler with the picture. That current enlarge+black background display is very good and deserves to stay, but it would be awesome if a gallery is loaded and you're allowed to handle with one picture at a time in TW. If it is at all possible (I'm going crazy here) there could be eg. a small icon under each thumbnail. If the tumbnail itself is clicked then that enlarged/black bgr is displayed but if the small icon is clicked, the tiddler opens (is created?) showing the enlarged picture (plus any additional tiddler content). And (going even crazier) imagine if one could fET these things on tags and get a resulting list of icons? That would really make for easy made galleries :-) Considering how there are relatively few de facto products for photo storage, and the enormous popularity of pics/clips, it is a bit surprising these things are not very established in TiddlyVerse. (...said the big-mouth who can't code...) I'll try to find some easier way for that album ID at the picasa forums. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Where to place the code (jQuery etc)?
Anybody - please? Or is it not possible? Thank you! /Mat On Apr 21, 1:11 pm, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, I got that link from a site that says you can filter out imaged by TAGS (i.e picasa tags!) in those picasa albums! http://www.reading-forum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6519 :-) On Apr 21, 12:33 pm, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: I found this code to embed picasa albums in *gallery* view (by default Picasa only allows embedding a slidshow or an album that only shows the first picture linking to the rest): http://archive.plugins.jquery.com/project/EmbedPicasaGallery As seen, the code includes both a script and some jQuery code. I'm no programmer so I'm guessing there should be a tiddler with the script used to render the actual album (yes?). But where should the jQuery code be? And is it necessary with the div part when I arbitrarily wish to create albums in various tiddlers? I.e, where do I actually put this stuff and do I need to enclose it in some magic tags or something. I have tiddlytools htmlformattingplugin, inlinejavascriptplugin and wikifyplugin installed. I should mention that I'm doing this on tiddlyspace (setting up TW's with the kids paintings etc) Also, if you have any better solution I'd love to hear it. (My ideal solution would be to do this with pics stored in Google Docs rather than Picasa because that is where I store stuff. But I cannot make links to the actual images there, not to mention folders as a gallery.) Thank you!!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Where to place the code (jQuery etc)?
Mario - you are so kind! Fancybox has really beautiful displays! Great work Mario! I tried to figure out how it works but must ask: * is it enough for the user to only provide the url to the picasa gallery/album page. I.e I don't want to have to copy paste individual urls and I don't want to be foreced to name the pics specifically like x1, x2, x3 etc with some kind of coded for-loop on x_. I'm open to any solution that fulfills this and displays a full folder/ album in gallery view with some kidn of klickable thumbnails for larger display. I naively thought that after that official TW+jQuery integration a while back that it would be easy to do use jQuery stuff, no? What did the integration bring? Thank you so much for your reply Mario! :-) On Apr 23, 5:34 pm, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 23, 11:38 am, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody - please? Or is it not possible? Thank you! /Mat Hi Matias, I did integrate the fancybox [1] picture viewer a year ago. I did make everything configurable, to expose the whole fancybox power to the user. It turned out, it was much more work, than I thought. That's why I didn't respond to your first post :) EmbedPicasaGallery internally uses the slimbox2 [2] viewer, which is quite similar to fancybox. *thinking: don't touch it.* Since you want to use it with TS, the whole stuff needs to work _online only_. right? If so, I can set up a quick hack, that exposes the EmbedPicasaGallery functions with InlineJavascriptPlugin and some tiddler transclusions. This lets enough space, for further hacking (by others). I'm going to use slimbox2 default settings only. I'll post a link here, . soon ;) have fun! mario [1] fancybox.tiddlyspace.com [2]http://www.digitalia.be/software/slimbox2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Where to place the code (jQuery etc)?
Oups, I now see your second reply. Fantastic! Will try it out immediately! This is really kind of you Mario On Apr 23, 10:55 pm, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: Mario - you are so kind! Fancybox has really beautiful displays! Great work Mario! I tried to figure out how it works but must ask: * is it enough for the user to only provide the url to the picasa gallery/album page. I.e I don't want to have to copy paste individual urls and I don't want to be foreced to name the pics specifically like x1, x2, x3 etc with some kind of coded for-loop on x_. I'm open to any solution that fulfills this and displays a full folder/ album in gallery view with some kidn of klickable thumbnails for larger display. I naively thought that after that official TW+jQuery integration a while back that it would be easy to do use jQuery stuff, no? What did the integration bring? Thank you so much for your reply Mario! :-) On Apr 23, 5:34 pm, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 23, 11:38 am, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody - please? Or is it not possible? Thank you! /Mat Hi Matias, I did integrate the fancybox [1] picture viewer a year ago. I did make everything configurable, to expose the whole fancybox power to the user. It turned out, it was much more work, than I thought. That's why I didn't respond to your first post :) EmbedPicasaGallery internally uses the slimbox2 [2] viewer, which is quite similar to fancybox. *thinking: don't touch it.* Since you want to use it with TS, the whole stuff needs to work _online only_. right? If so, I can set up a quick hack, that exposes the EmbedPicasaGallery functions with InlineJavascriptPlugin and some tiddler transclusions. This lets enough space, for further hacking (by others). I'm going to use slimbox2 default settings only. I'll post a link here, . soon ;) have fun! mario [1] fancybox.tiddlyspace.com [2]http://www.digitalia.be/software/slimbox2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Where to place the code (jQuery etc)?
In deed incredible that you threw this together just like that! It appears to be exactly what I'm hoping for! And clever to split it up like that for other possible applications. (BTW, maybe the coming G-drive [1] will even replace picasa! To some extent it already appears Google are trying to make Google+ replace it. ) A few questions: 1) It is only possible to display fully public stuff with your setup, yes? Picasaweb also has the option to only show for those who have a direct link and it has the Public Gallery and Unlisted Gallery views. 2) For the gallery tiddler call, it appears all album covers are displayed regardless if I specify an ALBUM_NAME or all 3) How did you create that user name? Mine is only a long number. On your picasa page, your actual name shows up, not that user name that you use as an argument in the tiddler call. 4) Album ID.. in deed. Did you do what I did: right click on the very album page to look at the html code. Search albumid and find it in a link ...albumid/thisisthenumber then *drag* it into the tiddler and then cut from. Not purdy.. ...However, why is this ID necessay? - why isn't the album *name* enough, just like when calling for the album gallery? (BTW... did you code this or is was it part of that package?) Again, thank you so much Mario! :-) [1] http://www.hostway.co.uk/news/virtualisation---the-cloud/google-drive-rumoured-to-arrive-this-week-801346636.html On Apr 23, 8:28 pm, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I did some prototyping at picasagallery [1] space. If you include the picasagallery space into your space, you'll get everything, you need to work with the Picasa transclusion. (Prototype using InlineJavascriptPlugin) tiddler Picasa##gallery with: which lists all available albums. tiddler Picasa##album with: which creates direct access to a known album. There is a little problem. I don't know an easy way to get the album ID. (needs some more investigation) The with: params can be seen at the space [1]. I did split the different plugins into several -plugins spaces [2] [3]. This makes it possible, to use the slimbox plugin without picasa gallery. Picasa gallery also works without slimbox. It just creates a default link, which loads the pic into the browser. So other viewers should be possible too. (but this is brainstorming allready :) have fun! -mario [1]http://picasagallery.tiddlyspace.com/ [2]http://picasagallery-plugins.tiddlyspace.com/ [3]http://slimbox2-plugins.tiddlyspace.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Where to place the code (jQuery etc)?
I found this code to embed picasa albums in *gallery* view (by default Picasa only allows embedding a slidshow or an album that only shows the first picture linking to the rest): http://archive.plugins.jquery.com/project/EmbedPicasaGallery As seen, the code includes both a script and some jQuery code. I'm no programmer so I'm guessing there should be a tiddler with the script used to render the actual album (yes?). But where should the jQuery code be? And is it necessary with the div part when I arbitrarily wish to create albums in various tiddlers? I.e, where do I actually put this stuff and do I need to enclose it in some magic tags or something. I have tiddlytools htmlformattingplugin, inlinejavascriptplugin and wikifyplugin installed. I should mention that I'm doing this on tiddlyspace (setting up TW's with the kids paintings etc) Also, if you have any better solution I'd love to hear it. (My ideal solution would be to do this with pics stored in Google Docs rather than Picasa because that is where I store stuff. But I cannot make links to the actual images there, not to mention folders as a gallery.) Thank you!!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Where to place the code (jQuery etc)?
BTW, I got that link from a site that says you can filter out imaged by TAGS (i.e picasa tags!) in those picasa albums! http://www.reading-forum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6519 :-) On Apr 21, 12:33 pm, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: I found this code to embed picasa albums in *gallery* view (by default Picasa only allows embedding a slidshow or an album that only shows the first picture linking to the rest): http://archive.plugins.jquery.com/project/EmbedPicasaGallery As seen, the code includes both a script and some jQuery code. I'm no programmer so I'm guessing there should be a tiddler with the script used to render the actual album (yes?). But where should the jQuery code be? And is it necessary with the div part when I arbitrarily wish to create albums in various tiddlers? I.e, where do I actually put this stuff and do I need to enclose it in some magic tags or something. I have tiddlytools htmlformattingplugin, inlinejavascriptplugin and wikifyplugin installed. I should mention that I'm doing this on tiddlyspace (setting up TW's with the kids paintings etc) Also, if you have any better solution I'd love to hear it. (My ideal solution would be to do this with pics stored in Google Docs rather than Picasa because that is where I store stuff. But I cannot make links to the actual images there, not to mention folders as a gallery.) Thank you!!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Opening Word file directly from local folder in TiddlyWiki?
If you haven't already considered it, but something clod based like Google Docs is intended for possible collaboration over the web so it is fairly easy to include it in a TW (eg via an iframe). Edit- permissions are set from within the service itself. :-) On Apr 17, 10:42 pm, Måns humam...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Skye And sklpns...thnks for those directions about OpenOfficeI´ll check that out imediately. I've just tried it with Iceweasel (Firefox on Debian) LibreOffice on Debian Squeeze (Linux) - It behaves as if it *should* work - opens a new tab and blanks the browser window etc - however I'm still not getting it to show a doc or docx documents... It would be quite fantasic, so I keep on trying... I wonder if the much lighter yet very capable AbiWord might be able to do the trick And in fact I starting to use TW itself as my presentation package which makes life even easier...and TW as a presenter has some great advantages.. I followed many of your questions related to your work with TW as a presenter.. Will you consider to publish an example of what you've accomplished at some point?? I believe it would be very usefull for everyone here... There is some demand for predesigned/taylored webapps based on TiddlyWiki - and I believe that examples, which have proven their quality in real life use, ought to find their way to these threads ... I'd love to hear some of your thoughts on how TiddlyWiki as a presenter has some great advantages - and (if possible) with TW- examples... Cheers Måns Mårtensson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: NEW: LinkifyPlugin - another improved version of RedirectMacro / AutoWeaving
zoOM, *ildcard*, and on and on = ([\:][\-\o]?[\D])
Tobias is KICKING BUTTOCKS!
I embarassedly agree with PMario that we're pushing you and taking
yoru full hand - but... this is just so good. So, dare I suggest yet
another detail:
I notice way to make a full line not linkify is a blank space at
start. May I suggest minimizing the nomenclature and stick with the ~
sign also here? I.e to not linkify a line it could be a ~ AND a space
(or perpahs ~: as in don't linkify the following). I think it
makes more sense mnemonically. It would require to hide the signs used
of course.
...and this would also make sense to expand to full paragraphs with
perhaps something like {{~{...
:-)
On Apr 14, 2:35 pm, Albert Riedinger albert.riedin...@googlemail.com
wrote:
Hi Tobias,
thank you very much for your wonderful plugin! It will save me a lot of
time and makes TiddlyWiki complete. I hope that this concept would become a
core element of the next TW release. I think that the WikiWords approach is
less flexible and easy to use ... and also a bit outdated.
I'm new to TW and used Tomboy a lot in the past, where automatic
linkification is the regular way to reference notes, so I missed this
feature from the beginning.
I have to test your plugin a little bit further in the next time,
especially with my imported Tomboy notes which are huge with lots of
references. I'll give you more feedback in near future.
I have three suggestions for new features, which would me (and maybe
others) make VERY happy :)
1A. a possibility to define global modifiers in LinkifyConfig → EXAMPLE:
line @@@|@@@s [[@@@ – Discussion]] ... could mean: all tiddlers like
Wiki, TiddlyWiki, Command, Plugin and so on, would be referenced by
the words Wikis, TiddlyWikis, Commands, Plugins and also by Wiki –
Discussion, Command – Discussion ...
2. a macro which would create an input field in EditTemplate for editing
aliases of the tiddler (see for example TiddlerAliasPlugin[1]) ... this
macro could edit the corresponding line in LinkifyConfig → it would
simplify the whole process
3A. like in Tomboy[2] → automatic refactoring linkifications after renaming
a tiddler (a bit complicated and maybe an idea for another plugin) ... to
avoid unwanted edits: after renaming a tiddler a pop up window could appear
with a list of tiddlers where the automatic linkifaction changes would be
applied by LinkifyPlugin → users could exclude those tiddlers where they
won't these changes to be applied (same solution as in Tomboy)
OR ... 3B. same as 3A → without editing the linkifications inside tiddlers,
but rather automatically adding an alias of the renamed tiddler to the
corresponding line in LinkifyConfig (user would be asked before adding) →
EXAMPLE: tiddler with the name [[Wiki]] → renamed to [[TiddlyWiki]] → line
in LinkifyConfig: Wiki → changes to: Wiki|TiddlyWiki OR Wiki|*Wiki→
after further renaming [[TiddlyWiki]] to [[Wiki – TiddlyWiki]] → line in
LinkifyConfig changes to: Wiki|TiddlyWiki [[Wiki – TiddlyWiki]] OR
Wiki|*Wiki [[Wiki – TiddlyWiki]]
OR ... 3C. a combination of 3A + 3B → the user decides which refactoring
method would be executed (on a by-tiddler-basis like in 3A?)
My english is not the best, but I hope you'll understand my suggestions.
Please ask if not :)
Kind regards,
Albert
[1]http://tiddlywiki.abego-software.de/Beta.html#TiddlerAliasPlugin
[2]http://projects.gnome.org/tomboy/
Am Mittwoch, 11. April 2012 09:38:13 UTC+2 schrieb Tobias Beer:
Hi everyone,
Inspired anwe by the recent discussion [1] about Autoweaving and
RedirectMacro [2]...
A few months, ago I also played with ideas of enhancing this plugin.
Yesterday I turned this experiment into something that might be a worthy
release candidate.
So, now there's also LinkifyPlugin...
http://linkify.tiddlyspot.com/index.html
Once the recently posted enhancements [1] to RedirectMacro reappear in a
Pastebin,
perhaps we could for combining the two, if not already covered.
Hope you enjoy it,
Tobias.
[1]
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/tiddlywiki/reipjbj...
[2]http://checkettsweb.com/styles/themes.htm#RedirectMacro
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[tw] Re: NEW: LinkifyPlugin - another improved version of RedirectMacro / AutoWeaving
Wow, already auto-link for all tiddlers - you're really evolving this! Some thoughts on syntax: Both for linkifying multiple words (eg: these multiple words) and for matching exactly as-is (eg: zoOM not matching Zoom) I suggest using regular double quotes (...), at least as an additional option to your current syntax. For one it would be the same syntax for both these cases but, more importantly, double quotes are somewhat of a defacto standard to specify exactness and delimit multiple words, eg in search engines (not to mention literature). (A minor additional benefit, for the multiple words, is that it would allow it to be the last word(s) defined also, not forcing the user to come up with yet another word.) For suffixes (that is one GREAT feature, btw) it'd be more natural with the ^ in the end of the word, were all suffixes are added. And if it could be a * instead of ^ it would again be more natural although one may mistakenly assume it would include every possible ending... unless (yet another suggestion): How about letting the user define the Suffixes in LinkifyConfig? This is very much desired for non-English users or the suffix feature is lost. This would also make that * very natural (the user has defined everything it covers). Forgive me if I insensitively suggest things that are difficult to implment. I can imagine it is difficult to work with double quotes etc in code. Again, what a wonderful plugin this is becoming Thank you Tobias!!! :-) On Apr 12, 12:10 am, Tobias Beer beertob...@googlemail.com wrote: There now is a new Version for LinkifyPlugin:http://linkify.tiddlyspot.com/index.html#%5B%5BVersion%20History%5D%5D Version 0.9.1: optional auto-linkification for all tiddlers refactoring ( addFormatters, linkifyHandler) performance increase with respect to excluded tiddlers - index of excluded tiddlers now rebuilt on saveTiddler all linkification formatters are now inserted last in formatters array target tiddlers prefixed with ~ in LinkifyConfig are no longer linkifiedthemselves implemented marker 0! to prepend formatter to formatters array, instead of appending it (default) Tobias -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: NEW: LinkifyPlugin - another improved version of RedirectMacro / AutoWeaving
PMario wrote If it is configurable, it will cause different types of configuration tiddlers, which will be incompatible. Imo this limits the global usability of the plugin, Could you please elaborate a little here. Why would defining the suffixes in the LinkifyConfig cause different types of configuration tiddlers? (Or do you mean between different users? Having only English suffixes literally limits the global usefulnes of it). An idea would perhaps be a hard coded standard set of suffixes, as already implementetd, but allowing the user to manually add additionall ones. Maybe this would not limit the global usability as you put it, or? :-) On Apr 12, 4:59 pm, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 12, 11:11 am, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: For suffixes (that is one GREAT feature, btw) it'd be more natural with the ^ in the end of the word, were all suffixes are added. And if it could be a * instead of ^ it would again be more natural although one may mistakenly assume it would include every possible ending... unless (yet another suggestion): I'd +1 this As I saw ^this the first time, I thought it means: find this at the start of the line, which is the meaning if used within a regExp. ===How about letting the user define the Suffixes in LinkifyConfig? This is very much desired for non-English users or the suffix feature is lost. This would also make that * very natural (the user has defined everything it covers). -1 If it is configurable, it will cause different types of configuration tiddlers, which will be incompatible. Imo this limits the global usability of the plugin, -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: NEW: LinkifyPlugin - another improved version of RedirectMacro / AutoWeaving
Please forget my configurability suggestion, it was a misunderstanding
on my part. (..but, in cased the post at 11:11 was missed, I do think
that zoOM is more natural than 'zoOM ).
Here are some other thoughts:
1) How would you linkify a common multiple word root such as snow
board (snow boarding, snow boarder, snow boarders etc)?
2) Regarding ^ or 0!, if I understand it correctly, the purpose is to
first locally disable the CamelCase linking feature and apply linkify
instead.
If LinkifyPlugin is used, is there actually any need for the CC
linking feature? Please let me explain:
I use CC almost exclusively for one thing, ie. choosing a tiddler name
that AVOIDS forcing me to use [[ ]] later on. That, actually, is
pretty much it. If I didn't have to take this into consideration, I'd
gladly skip it. There is one more common *occurence* of the CC which
is an incidental (accidental?) one - namely when you write a text and
only later realize that ah, darn, that was apparently a CC word...
gotto add ~. That is CORRECTING a mistake, which is at par with
AVOIDING, if now worse.
...my point? Well, just maybe it makes sense with an option (a
checkbox?) in LInkifyPlugin to turn off CC. If links are automatically
created with linkify, particularly for/to tiddler names, then I see
little point with the whole CC issue. Obviously(?) anyone can still
write things in CC format and if Linkify is later disabled then I
presume the CC feature would be activated again.
:-)
On Apr 12, 6:44 pm, Tobias Beer beertob...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hello twgrp and PMario,
The current discussion might be a bit misleading in that I started by using
the term prefix and now you are talking about suffixes too.
In fact, these characters are rather meta characters, switches or flags.
1) They could be configurable since they (currently) do not end up in the
regex that is used for matching. BUT, I agree with Mario that for
readability's sake alone this should not be pursued. I believe that it is
fairly safe to expect people not to use characters like ^ ' * or ~ at the
beginning or end of either their tiddler titles or the text they want to
match. If one out of a Million should do this... well, bummer. Perhaps I
will allow \\ to escape a meta character in order to use it in its literal
sense.
2) You are right, Mario. The ^wordroot nomenclature is rather misleading. I
will therefore change it as you suggest to wordroot* which sure is a lot
more natural.
Thus, I would currently vote to change the meta characters like so:
^PrependToFormattersArray
- instead of the ugly prefix 0!
'MatchLETTERSasis
- a single quote would trigger matching lower and uppercase letters
exactly as defined
config*
- the new wildcard at the end of the word instead of the beginning
~DoNotLinkify
- to not linkify the first term but only define it as the tiddler to which
all other terms linkify ...separated by |
Keep in mind that - at the moment - the wildcard * is only intended to
serve for word endings.
It currently is not intended to be used as {wild*card} or {*card} or even
{*middle*}.
I might check as to how hard it would be to allow it both at the beginning
or at the end of a term.
Eventually, I don't think that these metacharacters should cover the full
range of what RegEx has in store, because *no one* will want to use that.
Perhaps, I can imagine another pair of metacharacters like this...
(any regex you want to be matched)
Thus, any term wrapped in parentheses is evaluated as a RegEx. However, I
am not sure that there will be many people that know how to make use of
that or even want to in the context of LinkifyPlugin.
Cheers, Tobias.
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[tw] Re: NEW: LinkifyPlugin - another improved version of RedirectMacro / AutoWeaving
This looks very interesting and userful! Thank you Tobias! On a related note (I think?) The References command only lists tiddlers tagged with the current tiddler name but totally misses out on tiddlers with the current tiddlers name as a link in the texts. Ie deleting a tid risks leaving dead links even if you check out the References first. I find it surprising that this is not dealt with because what I must assume is the coding for this ALREADY EXISTS for the Missing tab! Additionally, default TW behaviour when you delete or rename a tag is to not take other tiddlers into consideration that are affected by this. Ie. renaming a tid simply kills tags to it and simply leave them there! Simon Baird has the great RenameTagsPlugin [1] to solve this - when you rename a tag (a tiddler name) you're prompted with a question if you also wish to apply this to those tiddlers where this tag is used. Considering how LinkifyPlugin deals with links in the text, it touches issues related to this. Just maybe you could extend the plugin to cover these problems, i.e to also update links/tags? Would be very useful (...and IMO it should even be in the core because what user would NOT want, and even assume(!) this behavior?!) :-) [1] http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/#RenameTagsPlugin On Apr 11, 9:38 am, Tobias Beer beertob...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Inspired anwe by the recent discussion [1] about Autoweaving and RedirectMacro [2]... A few months, ago I also played with ideas of enhancing this plugin. Yesterday I turned this experiment into something that might be a worthy release candidate. So, now there's also LinkifyPlugin...http://linkify.tiddlyspot.com/index.html Once the recently posted enhancements [1] to RedirectMacro reappear in a Pastebin, perhaps we could for combining the two, if not already covered. Hope you enjoy it, Tobias. [1]https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/tiddlywiki/reipjbj... [2]http://checkettsweb.com/styles/themes.htm#RedirectMacro -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: NEW: LinkifyPlugin - another improved version of RedirectMacro / AutoWeaving
Oh, one more idea: How about an option to automagically make appearences/mentions of existing tiddlers into links - just like CamelCase words do! And, with the smooth alternative to add a ~ if one wants to disable it locally. Again, IMO this feels like the natural and more general case for TW or any wiki. The CamelCase idea was, I must assume, a compromise to easily make a link but with your LinkifyPlugin this could potentially be made more general. :-) On Apr 11, 4:29 pm, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: This looks very interesting and userful! Thank you Tobias! On a related note (I think?) The References command only lists tiddlers tagged with the current tiddler name but totally misses out on tiddlers with the current tiddlers name as a link in the texts. Ie deleting a tid risks leaving dead links even if you check out the References first. I find it surprising that this is not dealt with because what I must assume is the coding for this ALREADY EXISTS for the Missing tab! Additionally, default TW behaviour when you delete or rename a tag is to not take other tiddlers into consideration that are affected by this. Ie. renaming a tid simply kills tags to it and simply leave them there! Simon Baird has the great RenameTagsPlugin [1] to solve this - when you rename a tag (a tiddler name) you're prompted with a question if you also wish to apply this to those tiddlers where this tag is used. Considering how LinkifyPlugin deals with links in the text, it touches issues related to this. Just maybe you could extend the plugin to cover these problems, i.e to also update links/tags? Would be very useful (...and IMO it should even be in the core because what user would NOT want, and even assume(!) this behavior?!) :-) [1]http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/#RenameTagsPlugin On Apr 11, 9:38 am, Tobias Beer beertob...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Inspired anwe by the recent discussion [1] about Autoweaving and RedirectMacro [2]... A few months, ago I also played with ideas of enhancing this plugin. Yesterday I turned this experiment into something that might be a worthy release candidate. So, now there's also LinkifyPlugin...http://linkify.tiddlyspot.com/index.html Once the recently posted enhancements [1] to RedirectMacro reappear in a Pastebin, perhaps we could for combining the two, if not already covered. Hope you enjoy it, Tobias. [1]https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/tiddlywiki/reipjbj... [2]http://checkettsweb.com/styles/themes.htm#RedirectMacro -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Non server based distribution of tiddlers
Just a fantasy for the future https://torrentfreak.com/tribler-makes-bittorrent-impossible-to-shut-down-120208/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+Torrentfreak+%28Torrentfreak%29 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Book for tiddlywiki
http://tiddlydocs.tiddlyspace.com/ http://vanillatiddlydocs.tiddlyspot.com/ On Feb 8, 1:07 pm, DDT dtillem...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a way in tiddlywiki to create a book? I think it would be already helpfull if you could add a button (or link) which opens some default tiddlers with the tiddler title on top of the page. This would already make a nice printout. Only problem rests is paging... Is(Are) there a(any) plugin(s) which can help me? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: New! Less-Frequent Autosave Plugin
This is actually a great concept.
Question: If I understand this right it has some kind of timer. Does
this mean it takes up memory continuously where a TW regularly does
not (a loaded TW is passive regularly, no?) -?
Thanx
On Feb 1, 2:35 am, ionobr...@gmail.com ionobr...@gmail.com wrote:
I've had a little more time to work on my TW lately, and I have a template
I think some minimists will like, as well as a hotkey plugin. After I post
what I've got for the hotkey plugin, hopefully a couple of the higher
powers can help me to improve it. Look for it sooon
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Tiddler: AutoSaveTimerPlugin
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Tags: systemConfig plugin settings dontDelete
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/***
|Name|AutoSaveTimerPlugin|
|Source|http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/
b2a6375e2f5ecbab#|
|Documentation|http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/
thread/b2a6375e2f5ecbab#|http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/b2a637...
|Version|1.0|
|Author|ionobr...@gmail.com|
|License|Public Domain|
|~CoreVersion|2.3|
|Type|plugin|
|Description|Save every 5 minutes (change the last digit in the
formula to set this)|
!Code
saveInterval = 1000*60*5; //Change final digit on this line to the interval
(in minutes) you want to auto-save at
saveEvent = setTimeout(autoSaveIt,saveInterval);
function autoSaveIt(){
saveChanges();
saveEvent = setTimeout(autoSaveIt,saveInterval);
}
//{{{
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:31 PM, ionobr...@gmail.com
ionobr...@gmail.comwrote:
Hey thanks David :#
Makes me feel like a pro.
Trey
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:59 PM, David Szego david.sz...@gmail.comwrote:
Here, make it look pretty and give yourself credit:
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Tiddler: AutoSaveTimerPlugin
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Tags: systemConfig plugin settings dontDelete
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/***
|Name|AutoSaveTimerPlugin|
|Source|http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/
b2a6375e2f5ecbab#|
|Documentation|http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/
thread/b2a6375e2f5ecbab#|http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/b2a637...
|Version|1.0|
|Author|ionobr...@gmail.com|
|License|Public Domain|
|~CoreVersion|2.3|
|Type|plugin|
|Description|Save every 5 minutes (change the last digit in the
formula to set this)|
!Code
//{{{
saveInterval = 1000*60*5;
saveEvent = setTimeout(autoSaveIt,saveInterval);
function autoSaveIt(){
saveChanges();
saveEvent = setTimeout(autoSaveIt,saveInterval);
}
//}}}
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[tw] Re: New mGSD Feature: Meetings!
David, this looks great. I like the layout etc. I have a critical question though: What happens when original mGSD author releases a new update to mGSD? Will your stuff be overwritten? I ask because my own integrated tweakings have almost become overbearingly difficult to manually reset and update etc when new updates come. Thank you for sharing! On Feb 1, 6:59 pm, David Szego david.sz...@gmail.com wrote: As of 1/02/12, mGSD did not have any Meeting capabilities, which I personally needed in my job as a Sr. Project Manager. I've created these extensions to add another dashboard specifically for meetings - complete with: * Agenda Items * Tracked Attendees * Meeting-specific Actions * Discussion-based notes * Quick-view of project status These have been tightly integrated with existing mGSD dashboards, in keeping with the elegance of Simon's tool. I've also included a number of interface cleanups and layout enhacements to the standard mGSD, which I hope you will find useful: -- mGSD / GTD tweaks: * Due-dates for Actions (rather than converting to Ticklers) * Recurring Projects (for those repetitive sets of tasks like tax preparation, etc.) * Updated Project statuses * Better dashboard layout and grouping (in my opinion, change in TagDashboards to your liking) and urgent/overdue-item highlighting -- TW / layout tweaks: * Settings in one place: * Click on the Tiddlers tab on the right, and the Misc:Options subtabs. * Better use of screen space: * Click on the fullscreen icon beside the word upload at the top right. * Click on the __ toolbar button to collapse, and the [] to uncollapse Tiddlers * Better toolbar layout, and decisions on when to show it * Scroll-To-Top arrow at bottom-right of Tiddlers * Notes on all plain Tiddlers, and multi-comment discussions (by adding the discussion tag) Please take a look athttp://www.netattest.net/mGSDMeetingEnhancements.html - I welcome your feedback and look forward to your comments! Regards, David Szego -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: HELP: Import still not working
Does portable FF not conflict with simultaneous instances of FF for regular surfing? Does Prism change anything? I use an old FF3.6 that is portable but I cannot run this at the same time as FF9 standard version. Thanks On Jan 5, 2:54 pm, rakugo jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: File import has been breaking in more recent browsers. If I remember correctly some browsers are trying to load from a file uri. e.g. file:///path/to/file - if you put the file in the same working directory and manually edit the input to just be the filename you may find it imports okay. I started trying to tackle file importing in modern browsers using the File API although didn't get much feedback. I'd be interested in how you find this plugin:http://repository.tiddlyspace.com/#TiddlyFileImportr which swaps out the default file import code for a modern alternative where it can. Jon On Jan 5, 12:39 pm, Alexandre C Vieira acamargo.vie...@gmail.com wrote: Great idea!!! I also use FF9 Portable I have FF and TiddlyWiki on my stick so I can load my tiddlers anywhere Regards, On 05/01/2012 04:38, HansBKK wrote: Sorry I can't give a more complete answer, but personally I recommend using the latest Firefox v3 with standard TW, especially to ensure compatibility with plugins that haven't been updated. Since I also use FF kept updated as an installed (=registered with Windows) app, I use the Portable Apps version, which doesn't require installation, can be run from any arbitrary location, including an external drive where the drive letter may change. It is also compatible with Prism, to create standalone TiddlyWiki applications that strip out the FF navigation kruft. I'm pretty sure this is what you'd search for on google: FirefoxPortableLegacy36_3.6.23_English.paf Hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/-/xIDx_7OrwRkJ. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: TypeError in MachineGun
Thanks so much for answering Mario!
I made the demo as clean as possible to avoid involving my convoluted
mGSD because because it has deteriorated over the years [1]. So I
can't really say what I've done over the years.
I think the MachineGun is, or at least should be, independent of the
mGSD-system though. I've used a fresh mGSD (from tiddlyspot) and
except for the MachineGun-necessary plugins I've only imported the
example Projects from Mr. Bairds mGSD demo at http://mgsd.tiddlyspot.com/#Demo
By the way, the password is 'password' if anyone wants to change
things.
config.act is undefined. So may be some initialisation is missing.
The code is very near the top of the labeled script.
I did find this a bit further down (under headline /**ACTION**/ )
config.act=acts[j][0].title;
...is this a definition/initialization?
Thank you!
[1] Clarification: mGSD is a specific application, as opposed to TW
which is generic. The advantage with TW is of course that it is easy
to modify, but personalizing tiddlers that are (mGSD) system specific
makes updates problematic. Years of use means pdates update ALL
tiddlers, ie it is not possible to tell which specific ones have been
updated. This has made me give up on mGSD many times. But because I'm
so fond of TW I find myself hoping to find a solution. Because the
MachineGun, which should be mGSD-system-independent, is so important
to me I'm willing to start over with a clean mGSD if I can just get
this to work.
years of use/modications, in combination with gradual updates, have
made it deteriorate
On Jan 4, 8:11 pm, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi twgrp,
Since it was working. Can you tell us, what you have done in between?
did a short check:
console.log('config.act', config.act)
if (story.getTiddler(config.act)) { ...
config.act is undefined. So may be some initialisation is missing.
The code is very near the top of the labeled script.
-m
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[tw] Re: TypeError in MachineGun
MARIO YOU ARE MY HERO!
Can I humbly ask, how did you find this? Just by looking at it or via
some debugging tool or something?
Thank you
:-)
On Jan 5, 12:44 am, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote:
The whole thing seems to be a bit fragile, because if tiddler MindSet
and Reward are not there, it may also fail. But anyway ...
Short info, why it fails:
if (story.getTiddler(config.act)) {
story.getTiddler() expects a valid tiddler. config.act is undefined,
so the system throws an error message.
we can modify the if () statement, to check the existence of
config.act. If it is falsy, don't touch story.getTiddler.
eg:
if (config.act story.getTiddler(config.act)) {
do stuff
}
It checks, if config.act contains a value _different to_ undefined
null false
since config.act is undefined, it stopps executing story.getTiddler()
it skips the do stuff and goes on with the programm
If the programm looks like this, it does something. But as i don't
know, what it should do, I'm not sure, if this fixes it.
This fix (if it is one) is just fighting the symptoms. It may not fix
the init problem.
-m
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[tw] Re: Important Message from Eric
Why do people keep replying with not-so-relevant issues? Other than the general reference to UnaMesa's cut down budget, Eric clearly states that: From a personal perspective, the problem is simple: in order to continue providing full-time support to the worldwide TiddlyWiki community, I must quickly find a way to replace the loss of revenue from UnaMesa, TW *becomes* what is made of it (a few years ago it didn't even exist) so little point in discussing that in this thread. Eric is one of the willing makers of TW - but the issue here and now is purely FINANCIAL. Other than a direct contribution to http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#Donations I think it makes sense to discuss more general solutions to this and this is why I brainstormed about simplifying tipping and contributions in my earlier post here. :-) On Nov 10, 8:16 am, iain i...@jcis.net.au wrote: I would like to reiterate much of what has been said here, firstly the praise for Eric's work and support for the whole TW community. But secondly I too have thought that TW is slowly dying. I am a user not a developer - I want tools for my work because I love my work (history and archaeology) and am not skilled or particularly interested in programming. I have modified and customised Dave Gifford's/Morris Gray's basic tool for note taking but am frustrated by problems with updating the basic TW core and with browser incompatibilities. Surely these are key issues, something you shouldn't need to figure out work arounds to deal with. I am beginning to wonder whether for what I use TW for, which is note taking and organisation of historical information, Microsoft (there I said it) One Note might not be more effective and user friendly. yours Iain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: On Leaving BT and Osmosoft
First, I wish you all the best! Second, a few questions :-) They are a mixed bag of questions, where answering one may cancel out others so I'll just present them in a pile: Could you or someone explain a little about the ownership of TW and it's various forms? I mean, as a regular user I see a risk of things forking apart when the key developer goes his own way. What of TW is left at BT? Will proprietary issues arise (BT owns Osmosoft, right) - or is all things TW property of UnaMesa? Are there intentions (at least from your side) to keep things compatible? As a general user, I use vanilla TW but also many tiddlyspaces. Are you involved in the latter? ...and, any elaboration on what making TW good means in your perspective, ie. what would your focus be (browser compatability, mobile focus, features, easier for newcomers, more commercial designs, ...?) Hope this is not rude of me to ask but because you are such a key individual for TW and it is a tool I use it would simply be valuable to get a sense of direction. (I think this question becomes extra pressing when it comes to open source projects driven by individuals. When you have a commercial tool like, say, a Windows or an Apple product, then you know the focus for them is to make the products as user friendly and as commercially powerful as possible, very carefully listening to the user needs. Not necessarily so with open source of course.) Again, all best!!! :-) On Nov 9, 3:00 pm, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote: After four and a half years, I've decided to leave BT in order to return to working as an independent consultant. Osmosoft will continue within BT under the leadership of Matt Lucht, and I'll be doing some work back to Osmosoft to help out. The formal announcement is here: http://osmosoft.com/#%5B%5BJeremy%20Ruston%20to%20leave%20BT%5D%5D I'm hoping that through consulting I'll be able to work with a wider range of people who are interested in TiddlyWiki, TiddlyWeb and TiddlySpace. I also intend to focus some much needed time on TiddlyWiki. I've started work on improving the content of tiddlywiki.com, and am starting work on replacing the TiddlyWiki build tools cook and ginsu with a more flexible toolchain based on node.js. Once those two bits of infrastructure are in place then I'll pick up TiddlyWiki5 again. I'm enjoying this work immensely; one of the frustrating consequences of my position at BT was that I couldn't spend much time coding. I'm enjoying the feeling of decompressing. To be sincere and constructive in working for an organisation like BT, you have to take on the problems and perspective of the organisation as a whole. The process is fascinating and instructive, and I've learned a lot from it. But now I have the luxury of exchanging those concerns for some much simpler ones: making TiddlyWiki good, and being able to earn a living because of it. I'll do my best to answer any questions, Best wishes Jeremy. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jer...@osmosoft.comhttp://www.tiddlywiki.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Important Message from Eric
I just added some to the tip jar. Having gone back and forth to TW over the years I've met so much generosity in this community, but Eric is truly in a class by himself. BTW, regarding contributions, I found this service a while back: http://flattr.com/ It has a different, hmm, slice to it. Briefly, you decide *in advance* how much you want to spend on contributions for that month. If flattr- button A is clicked 10 times, button B 4 times and button C 1 time - then, at the end of the month, A gets 10/15 of the whole sum , B gets 4/15 and C 1/15. I think it is a perfect concept for a community. Another note regarding contributions, especially for super contributors such as Eric: I've long missed a central place dealing with all things tiddly. I believe the problems mentioned in this thread are much due to a lacking central effort (ie, the info/plugin/etc often exists...but where?) Attempts solving parts of this, or even all of this, have been made [1] but non quite succesful yet. IF there was such a place, including eg. a discussion board or a knowledge wiki and [links to] plugins, we could include something like the above mentioned flattr.com solution in the templates for *every* post made and every [link to] a plugin! Instead of eg. adding stars to a post, one could voluntarily click for a little contribution (and without going through the paypal hassle every time). Heck, what about UnaMesa hosting a regular PayPal account that the users voluntarily could pay into in advance to then 'distribute' as per the flattr idea? If we had such a central place, I imagine it should be an easy task to make a flattr-like local plugin. Then, as per the flattr idea, at the end of the month (or other fequency?) there is an automated payout into the receivers paypal accounts. You know, I wouldn't even mind seeing an individual like Eric setting up a private account where I could put in a little money that can then - flattr like - be automatically distributed on eg a monthly basis to *other* contributors paypal accounts. (Someone as established in the community and so incredibly generous would likely not suddenly disappear). Or maybe the team behind tiddlyweb/tiddlyspace which seems to be the ideal place for a central community site. Yet an idea would be to host such a flattr-type button in (some) very plugins! It would bring the contribution out much more in the open and remind people as they fiddle with their TW's. Note that if the user has not pre-paid anything, then pressing such a button does not result in anything so he has nothing to worry about. For someone like Eric, an idea would be a flattr type plugin that, when installed by the user, creates a button in the head for all other ELS plugins that the user has installed, and when pressed it executes... etc. This concept would not solve the potential wish to tip for verbal contributions, such as here on the board, but maybe it's a step in the right direction and worthy of a try? Come to think of it, TW ought to have a backstage tiddler showing statistics ranking the frequency of use for the plugins, or rather the names of the plugin creators - and possibly a donation button next to each (My goodness, this guy has contributed to x% of my general TW use!? He deserves a little click here!) Further ideas: A polling type system. When experts share their knowledge here or in the form of plugins there is a risk that they only serve a few, or even one, individual. A poll e.g regarding which plugins to develop should increase the chances for contributions and tips by serving many at a time. Would be perfect for a central community type place but also possible as a stand alone (perhaps on tiddlyspace). An extension of this would be collective fund raising type tipping solution. I started writing an explanation for this here but decided that I'll let you think about it yourself because it would involve some intricacies that I believe had better 'mature in the head' before discussed. Just one thing though; Do recall that contributions are voluntary to begin with, as is putting in dev time. Also, if the money were to be placed with an intermediary host as suggested above, then it wold again merely be a matter for the 'user' to decide how to *distribute* money that is *already* given for contributions! (Eg. I put in X dollars and then click 5 times on issue #6, 2 times on #12 and 1 time on #4) I've seen other places such as, hm, was it the discussion boards for phpBB or MyBB (they are open source forum software) where individuals offer their professional services for solving specific issues and prioritizing the individuals that contribute monetarily to them. Obviously charging money does not need to restrict the open source nature of the resulting code. (BTW their discussion forums use their own forum software) /Mat [1] Tiddlywiki.org - http://tiddlywiki.org/ Tiddlyhub/repository - http://plugins.tiddlywiki.org/plugins/ The Community space -
[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Interview Questions
On Oct 20, 12:30 pm, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote: It seems that TiddlyWiki is hard for some people to get their heads around. I'm hoping that by exploring how people who have done so think about TiddlyWiki we might be able to make it easier for others to understand what's going on. Furthermore, because TiddlyWiki is general purpose it is not always obvious how it can be used until you see how it is being used by others. I would think there is a difference in 1) creating interest about TW and 2) have them get their heads around it. ...and I'd say the distinction is particularly crucial for TW because it, as you mention, is so general. I think people typically don't bother to begin to climb the TW threshold (i.e #2 above) unless it appears intersting and *relevant* to them. For this reason I think it is key to showcase things that people can identify with, and I would therefore suggest using this as a starting point for (thus leading) questions to be used in such a showcase. Perhaps: * In which way is TW your personal wikipeida? * Which every day projects do you use TW for? * For what tasks do you prefer TW when there are other alternatives, and why? * What was your first TW about? Why did you create a second one? * What makes using TW fun? * What makes using TW valuable? * Who ought to use TW? ...etc, provoking answers from us that people hopefully feel are relevant and of value. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Sorting Tags
May I suggest two alternative routes; Either; copy only the ViewTemplate part from the MPTWtheme tiddler ...or, since you're starting fresh; use MPTW straight off. It is IMO the best and most user friendly set- up. The most easy way is via http://www.tiddlyspot.com and just choose MPTW Because it is at tiddlyspot it also lets you upload and download it as you wish. :-) On Oct 22, 9:55 pm, cj curtis.jen...@gmail.com wrote: I disabled all plugins and went to the default persona, and FF still wouldn't work right. I tested the file on FF on a different computer. It worked fine (ver 3.0.11 and 3.6.11). I uninstalled FF on my computer and reinstalled it (ver 3.6.11). It works fine now. Something was amiss with my FF install (but it worked with my old TiddlyWiki). I don't know why IE8 didn't work, but I don't usually use TiddlyWiki in IE8, so I won't spend time on it. I'll install some of my old plug ins one at a time and see if it breaks again. If I figure it out, I'll post what the problem was. Otherwise, I'm blaming it on gremlins or subatomic particle bombardment from space. Thanks for all the help, Curtis On Oct 21, 1:16 pm, TonG ton.ger...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Curtis, Strange. Here everything looks the same in FF, IE, Safari and Chrome portable. It looks like IE and FF do not behave well at your side. Does rebooting help? The only other thing I can think of at the moment is creating a fresh browser profile for FF, see also [1] [1]http://tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Troubleshooting Cheers, Ton On Oct 21, 9:43 pm, cj curtis.jen...@gmail.com wrote: Below are screen shots of the same file opened in IE8, FF, and Chrome. When I hover over the Test tag, I only get the title, modified, created, ... stuff in Chrome (not to mention that it looks very different). FF Shot:http://tinyurl.com/393u273 IE8 Shot:http://tinyurl.com/2wbdarq Chrome Shot:http://tinyurl.com/2wftcn8 On Oct 21, 12:28 pm, TonG ton.ger...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Curtis, What do you mean exactly with Still didn't work with FF and it worked with Chrome? I'am using a heavily modified MPTW with FF v3.6.11. A fresh copy of MPTW works as well with FF. If you create a new tiddler say Test1 and tag it with Test, do you see the tag Test in the upper left corner? And when you click on the tag Test opens the tiddler Test? If yes, do you see Tagged as 'Test': in the tiddler Test? And to the right of that things like title↑, modified, created ... when you hover over the tiddler? Cheers, Ton On Oct 21, 8:31 pm, cj curtis.jen...@gmail.com wrote: I downloaded a fresh copy of MPTW from:http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/#Download Still didn't work. But when I loaded it in Chrome, it worked! I was using FireFox before. Strangely, it doesn't work in IE either. I don't have any special plugins installed on FF or IE. Does that make sense? Thanks, Curtis On Oct 21, 11:00 am, TonG ton.ger...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Curtis, May be this link [1] can help you. Or the other way around: download a fresh copy of MPTW and import your tiddlers into that one. Cheers, Ton [1]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/13822d... On Oct 21, 7:22 pm, cj curtis.jen...@gmail.com wrote: I imported the MptwTheme and set my TiddlyWiki to use that theme. I get a bunch of Error in macro message displayed (showWhenTagged miniTag and showWhen are the most common macros listed). I'm assuming I imported it incorrectly or there is something I'm missing? Thanks, Curtis On Oct 21, 8:34 am, TonG ton.ger...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Curtis, MPTW uses themes which override the standard ViewTemplate, EditTemplate etc. You need to look for the ViewTemplate, EditTemplate etc. parts in the MptwTheme tiddler [1] Cheers, Ton [1]http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/#MptwTheme On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, cj curtis.jen...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the help. Unfortunately, still no love from TagglyTagging. My TagglyTaggingPlugin was tagged with systemConfig (done by default I guess; I didn't do it). My [[ViewTemplate]] and [[EditTemplate]] tiddlers are exactly the same as Simon's. Though, I'm not sure about the links you included. I get empty tiddlers when I open them. I compared the built in [[ViewTemplate]] and [[EditTemplate]] tiddlers:http://simonbaird.com/mptw/#ViewTemplatehttp://simonbaird.com/mptw/#E... Thanks, Curtis On Oct 21, 12:15 am, Secret-HQ goo...@secret-hq.com wrote: Hi, Curtis -- As awesome as TagglyTagging is, it CAN be a little
[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Interview Questions
It seems you are asking for help to *formulate* good questions. To help you, it would be easier if you first defined the purpose more. What actually is it you're wondering (you do mention one for instance-example)? Maybe mentioning how it will be used will make it clearer? :-) On Oct 19, 5:34 pm, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote: I'm interested in drawing up a collection of interviews with people who use TiddlyWiki. Trying to keep things simple, I was thinking about a series of, say, 12 questions that people would be able to answer over email. I was hoping to tap into the groups collective intelligence to figure out some questions that would prompt interesting replies. For instance, for many people it seems that there is a distinct discovery moment when TiddlyWiki explodes in their brain. It would be cool to get some different perspectives on that. Here are the questions I've come up with so far: - How many TiddlyWikis have you created? How many do you use regularly? - How did you first discover TiddlyWiki? - How has the TiddlyWiki community helped you? - How have you been able to contribute back to the TiddlyWiki community? - How many other people have you introduced to TiddlyWiki? How many of them have gone on to use it regularly? - What is the most annoying thing about using TiddlyWiki? - Which plugins do you rely on the most? - What do you think of the name TiddlyWiki and the term tiddler? I'm guessing that the art of email interviews is to try to phrase the questions to discourage simple yes/no answers; I'm not sure I've done that very well, Best wishes Jeremy -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jer...@osmosoft.comhttp://www.tiddlywiki.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: @Osmosoft ethical brigades
Thanks for your reply! What you say about best way to put up plugins on tspace, i.e separate plugin and demo - and - both your ideas on how to deal with inadvertant namesquatting, i.e by introducing tiddlyspace as special username to add, and dealing with orphans by having Osmosoft adopting them until contacted by claimant or similar. ...makes a lot of sense. A note about the specific username tiddlyspace - there is a space named tiddlyspace. Maybe it is run by Osmosoft? It does look somewhat 'official'. If not, it may cause some confusion and perhaps some other special username is preferred. Whichever user name it ends up being, may I humbly suggest that it is associated with a space and that these best (or recommended) practices are stated and explained there. I've personally set up a few plugins [1] on tiddlyspace today (publically available) and will await some type of official statement from Osmosoft on exactly what to do - alternatively some request from the original creator of those plugins (@ELS) - before I 'add a member' or whatever is decided/requested. I'm interested in making it possible for externally hosted static TiddlyWiki files to participate on TiddlySpace, by setting up some sort of proxy/alias space. So for example, jeremy.tiddlyspace.com might be equivalent to content stored in a static TiddlyWiki athttp://jeremystiddlywiki.com/ You mean so that externally hosted, say, plugins can be used in tiddlyspace by inclusion? Sounds great! Semi-related; I think adding plugins to tiddlyspace will be much simplified when inclusion of individual tiddlers becomes possible. (Oooh, me want, me want!) :-) [1] spaces; commentplugin (+commentplugindemo), nestedslidersplugin, inlinejavascriptplugin, togglesliders -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] tspace inclusion: ABC != AC ?
A includes B which includes C which contains public tiddler T Is is corrent that B can find T but A cannot? ...even if the 'includer' (i.e the actual person) is a member of all, and possibly even the creator of all? What are thes reasons for this? I can imagine that it makes for very big inclusions with many tiddlers or lists of what is included where, but it also means a that B appears great, so I include it in A... but, no, the greatness of B didn't transfer into A which was the very purpose of including B to begin with. ...which also gives incentives to copying rather than including, losing out an important aspect of tspace as far as I can tell. Anyone in the know care to comment? (Whichever the rules are, I humbly suggest they are stated wherever inclusion is explained such as http://docs.tiddlyspace.com/#[[How%20do%20I%20include%2Fexclude%20spaces%3F]] ) Thank you :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] @Osmosoft ethical brigades
I must test out a few plugins created by others. I want to test them separately, i.e on default spaces, and include them if they fulfill my needs. Is it OK to simply create a space with an established plugin name and put up that plugin there? The question is probably more about the name napping aspect than the right to (re-)publish it. I understand it is legally OK but with the creation of tiddlyspace we're on unchartered waters regarding best practice, what will maximize the benefit of the community and TW etc. It is also an issue because a plugin (or any code), published for inclusion on tiddlyspace - but not by the creator - will eventually get outdated and tiddlyspace users will continue to use it. And if the original author is not the space creator then he may not be able to update it even if he wants to. I know of at least one prominent plugin author who earlier has expressed annoyance when people copy plugins from other sources than the original only to get an outdated one and then complain about it. This phenomenon is likely to increase on tiddlyspace if not dealt with. Maybe this will be solved with some kind of webcrawling thingy, locating and converting existing remode plugins to tiddlyspace ones (and either update existing ones or creating a new space for it) but for now I see problems looming. Maybe an intermediate solution like including the original author as a member will suffice? (But one must know his tspace name... Maybe backstage could list at least the more prominent coders names?) Or maybe a clause stating that creators have a right to contact Osmosoft and gain access to code that is exclusively written by them (i.e single plugin spaces) and using their established plugin name? (To some extent I guess this is also a call for creators to publish their used-by-others-stuff on tiddlyspace.) Thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: tiddlyworld - how dropdown in MainMenu
On Oct 15, 1:31 am, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote: Why does a dropdown menue discussion cause tiddlyworld to be splitted ? The discussion is clearly misnamed by now, but anyway; It was split because it became unsustainable to use the site itself as the development place for the site. I guess one could say the mixup of the real thing with the meta aspects got confusing. Although I admit it is an experimental process. There are: 1)tiddlyworld .. 2)community .. 3)communitydev .. I will try to erase tiddlyworld. I hope the distinction between 2 and 3 will get clearer as they're cleaned up. BTW, I've added you as a member so feel free to do whatever you feel is good. (You do mention that you like the name tiddlyworld... are you saying it's better than community? I felt that particularly newbies get confused enough as it is with all them tiddlyshmiddlys (tiddlywiki, tiddler, tiddlyspace, tiddlyspot...). I wanted the name to be neutral particularly since the URL already contains the t word. Also, I kind of like the idea that the name refers to what it is and that it rides on an established term the tiddlywiki community. 4)showroom .. 5)semantic .. I don't quite see how you include 'semantic' in this list (it has a very different purpose, no?). Showroom is something that I imagine could be included in the community site to fill up the Showroom section there but we're not quite there yet - if it is to happen at all. Showroom is solely Tobias project (as far as I know) whereas the community site is the communitys to develop. Also, the purpose of showroom may not be quite the same as the purpose of the showroom section in the community site in spite of the striking similarity in names ;-) However, I was not aware of Tobias ambitions to have people contribute to his showroom space though. (The contributors list there seem to be more a tribute to TW titans in general.) But, I can only speak from the community space view, where the idea is to have anyone put in information and the community voting etc. Generally, the community space is aimed at handling the exact problem you address; there is so much redundance in the dispersed TW community and you don't know where to find stuff. Look at all the good hearted plugin compilations for instance. It is impossible for the poor individual behind those TWs to keep them up to date and there is no possibility for the community to e.g rank the plugins or comment on them etc in those TWs. Hopefully the benefits with a central and collaborative compiling reference place will be evident soon. Great objections - it helps define the concept! :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: tiddlyworld - how dropdown in MainMenu
On Oct 15, 1:31 am, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote: Why does a dropdown menue discussion cause tiddlyworld to be splitted ? The discussion is clearly misnamed by now, but anyway; It was split because it became unsustainable to use the site itself as the development place for the site. I guess one could say the mixup of the real thing with the meta aspects got confusing. Although it is admittedly an experimental process. There are: 1)tiddlyworld .. 2)community .. 3)communitydev .. tiddlyworld will be erased. The distinction between 2 and 3 will get clearer as they're cleaned up. BTW, you've been added as a member so feel free to do whatever you feel is good. While I agree that tiddlyworld is a cool name, I felt that particularly newbies get confused enough as it is with all them tiddlyshmiddlys (tiddlywiki, tiddler, tiddlyspace, tiddlyspot...). I wanted it to be neutral particularly since the URL already contains the t word. Also, I kind of like the idea that the name refers to what it is and that it rides on an established term i.e the tiddlywiki community. 4)showroom .. 5)semantic .. I don't quite see how you include 'semantic' in this list (it has a very different purpose, no?). Showroom is something that I imagine could be included in the community Showroom section there but we're not quite there yet - if it is to happen at all. Showroom is solely Tobias project (as far as I know) whereas the community site is the communitys to develop. Also, the purpose of showroom may not be quite the same as the purpose of the community showroom section in spite of the striking similarity in names ;-) However, I was not aware of Tobias ambitions to have people contribute to his showroom space though. (The contributors list there seem to be more a tribute to TW titans in general.) But, I can only speak from the community space view, where the idea is to have anyone put in information and the community voting etc. Generally, the community space is aimed at handling the exact problem you address; there is so much redundance in the dispersed TW community and you don't know where to find stuff. Look at all the good hearted plugin compilations for instance. It is impossible for the poor individual behind those TWs to keep them up to date and there is no possibility for the community to e.g rank the plugins or comment on them etc in those TWs. Hopefully the benefits with a central and collaborative compiling reference place will be evident soon. Great objections - it helps define the concept! :-) For me they are somehow related. All of them want to have many contributors. Some of them deal with the same topics. eg: showroom and tiddlyworld. == I think: Showroom menue in tiddlyworld space can link to showroom space. Otherwise there will be duplicates. Even include can be a possibility. But please no iframes. I do have a good resolution, but there is not enough space on the screen to do this. tiddlyworld is an absolutly cool name for the project described in tiddlyworld space. May be the existing example/dev content can be copied to a dev space, to get tiddlyworld back for its real content. But pleas use only one dev space. my 2 €ents On Oct 14, 10:26 pm, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: Check out the (renamed) split: http://community.tiddlyspace.com/ - and -http://communitydev.tiddlyspace.com/ (I copied it also into the dev space for lack of other idea. And, it's good sticking to Tobias great theme.) I think it is time to start a new thread on this. I'm copying Tobias comments from above into there. This is really exciting! :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: the Community space
On Oct 15, 3:46 am, Eric Shulman elsdes...@gmail.com wrote: I've been moderator for this group (and TiddlyWikiDev) since 2005... I had no idea. You (and others?) are doing a great job, to say the least. My humble thanks. Also, in my opinion, a robust *technical* mechanism and strategy for dealing with spammers is essential for TiddlySpace to achieve more I'm sure your're right. It is outside the scope of the community space of course (For now I'd be *happy* if there was a working forum there even if it was filled with spam ;-) Maybe you have any thoughts or opinions on a form built in TW for the community space? :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: tiddlyworld - how dropdown in MainMenu
Check out the (renamed) split: http://community.tiddlyspace.com/ - and - http://communitydev.tiddlyspace.com/ (I copied it also into the dev space for lack of other idea. And, it's good sticking to Tobias great theme.) I think it is time to start a new thread on this. I'm copying Tobias comments from above into there. This is really exciting! :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] the Community space
Formerly known under a different name, the Community space is unfolding. We now have; http://community.tiddlyspace.com - intended to be more or less a one-stop-shop community portal and http://communityweb.tiddlyspace.com - for development issues concerning the community portal Neither is ready for use yet, so your input is greatly appreciated! :-) Picking up from an earlier conversation Tobias replied to some questions of mine: Would it fulfill its purpose as more or less a one-stop-shop community site? If it were designed for that purpose, it might. Not to be nitpicking, but the menu as it is now does not give that impression. Hm, what do you suggest to change? I do agree the graphics are amateurish, but menu content? As for community features, though possibly not the most welcome solution, it might be best to have them run on some external services, things like But don't you think our needs are possible to solve with TW? One great benefit would be direct links to whatever you reference. Plus we would be in full control of it. I can see benefit in iframing (as you suggest) but for this very google group that is established and that has archived posts. Introducing a new forum software would lose out both on the TW linking and the TW self containment and on the archive aspect. And the easy customization. Is there something not possible with TW? But iframing this google group and perhaps some kind of suggestion with voting thing as an intermediary solution (instead of static images), sure! Another way might be to have those notes or comments on content in TiddlyWorld work similar to the Talks section in my Space...(see What everyone says right now...). YEAH! Are the conversations imported or are they taking place in your space? Does/can it have the same features as, say, this google group? You mention a tScan macro to fetch all comments - from where? Do you think you could add this to the community site? ... A good question would be how to simplify user interaction, so that one would only have to click some button to be able to post a note in ones own space, ... e.g.http://myspace.tiddlyspace.com/#[[TiddlyWorld - title of the page]]. (Haha, someone nicked myspace!) I can't quite find any post button there though. There is very little content at that site (or maybe I need to be a member to see anything?) In order to make that work properly it would be good if there were global, user specific variables in tiddlyspace which would allow one to define ones own comments-space to be be used for taking notes and comments in TiddlyWorld and which could be used for creating the link that opens your space with a new, not existing tiddler, already given the proper name, maybe including the current contents of that page in a blockquote... just like the reply button does today. Yes! Do I understand you right in that this is a request that must be made to the tiddlyspace dev team? Or would it be a separate plugin thing? Regardless... it is beyond me. On the other hand... notes or even a forum using TypeWith.Me seem a really appealing and painless variant. It even looks TW'ish. However, it seems to address something totally different, i.e live text collaboration. I'm not sure how that is relevenat - or am I just not imaginative enough? When would that type of live collaboration be relevant? And are you saying it should be instead of a forum? I don't understand. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: tiddlyworld - how dropdown in MainMenu
On Oct 15, 1:31 am, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote: Why does a dropdown menue discussion cause tiddlyworld to be splitted ? The discussion is clearly misnamed by now, but anyway; It was split because it became unsustainable to use the site itself as the development place for the site. I guess one could say the mixup of the real thing with the meta aspects got confusing. Although I admit it is an experimental process. There are: 1)tiddlyworld .. 2)community .. 3)communitydev .. I will try to erase tiddlyworld. I hope the distinction between 2 and 3 will get clearer as I clean them up a little. BTW, I've added you as a member so feel free to do whatever you feel is good. (You do mention that you like the name tiddlyworld... are you saying it's better than community? I felt that particularly newbies get confused enough as it is with all them tiddlyshmiddlys (tiddlywiki, tiddler, tiddlyspace, tiddlyspot...). I wanted the name to be neutral particularly since the URL already contains the t word. Also, I kind of like the idea that the name refers to what it is and that it rides on an established term the tiddlywiki community. 4)showroom .. 5)semantic .. I don't quite see how you include 'semantic' in this list (it has a very different purpose, no?). Showroom is something that I imagine could be included in the community site to fill up the Showroom section there but we're not quite there yet - if it is to happen at all. Showroom is solely Tobias project (as far as I know) whereas the community site is the communitys to develop. Also, the purpose of showroom may not be quite the same as the purpose of the showroom section in the community site in spite of the striking similarity in names ;-) For me they are somehow related. All of them want to have many contributors. Some of them deal with the same topics. eg: showroom and tiddlyworld. You know, you have a point in that the Showroom for the community space may be superfluous as the Downloads section kind of serves the same thing! I'm removing the Showroom section in the community space, for now. However, I was not aware of Tobias ambitions to have people contribute to his showroom space though. (The contributors list there seem to be more a tribute to TW titans in general.) But, I can only speak from the community space view, where the idea is to have anyone put in information and the community voting etc. Generally, the community space is aimed at handling the exact problem you address; there is so much redundance in the dispersed TW community and you don't know where to find stuff. Look at all the admirable and good hearted plugin compilations for instance. It is impossible for the poor individual behind those TWs to keep them up to date and there is no possibility for the community to e.g rank the plugins or comment on them etc in those TWs. Hopefully the benefits with a central and collaborative compiling reference place will be evident soon. Great objections - it helps define the concept! :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: the Community space
OUCH - I really wish there was an edit option here; It is supposed to read http://communitydev.tiddlyspace.com communityDEV (not communityweb) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: the Community space
As I wrote in the other post about tiddlyworld main menu. Please keep the tiddlyworld space for the real content and move its existing dev/example content into an other space. I think the name tiddlyworld is much cooler than community or communityweb. (As replied in that other thread; I felt that particularly newbies get confused enough as it is with all them tiddlyshmiddlys (tiddlywiki, tiddler, tiddlyspace, tiddlyspot...). I wanted the name to be neutral particularly since the URL already contains the t word. Also, I kind of like the idea that the name refers to what it is and that it rides on an established term the tiddlywiki community. ...but I do agree; tiddlyworld is a *cooler* name, but...!) One-stop-shop; you're of course right. The aim is not to omit the need for other spaces. The community site is intended to be one-stop in that you'll should be able to *find* those other spaces and places not least via references. 'Including' will likely be used a lot as well as standard links. iframing an external forum vs a TW build one; The comments plugin works quite well with tiddlyspace. It could be used. But there is the disadvantage of easy spamming, because everyone needs to have write access to the groups space. If you reply to a topic at the moment, you write to your own space and the descussion software collects the topics. If you produce spam, then you only spam your own account. For the others disabling a spammer is easy. Delete the follow tag, or delete the spammersName tiddler. Done Would that construction be viable for the community site? Regarding spam, I think tiddlyspace is still so unknown that it should be a minor problem. (Do we get spamming in here for example? This google group is not moderated as far as I know, or? ) (I must cut my reply here to go to bed, but figured I should reply quickly to your initial questions here at least.) Great input!!! :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: tiddlyworld - how dropdown in MainMenu
As for the modified PopupMacro... I believe that it might just be the best way to go. [...] I'm taking Tobias word for it and implemented popup macro - see result in http://tiddlyworld.tiddlyspace.com We should definitely update when Tobias new version comes. To smoothify testing I suggest using MainMenu merely as a wrapper (correct term?), i.e by tiddler MainMenu_popup. Using Tobias' section reference idea made MainMenu_popup pretty compact. Maybe wrapping, i.e using tiddler macro in the actual tiddler merely to point to things, is a good idea to use *generally* for collaboration? (and to name the various suggestions on the format OriginalName_xxx)? This is to help keep up concensus in the development process of this, i.e so that things agreed on don't just change arbitrarily. (Yes, we are on unchartered territory with this democratic managmement form) In the MainMenu_popup I revised some of the terms for the subitems into; * Current - (unchanged) to show current solution * Notes - as a place where visitors can add notes, suggestions, ideas, regarding the section * PleaseHelp - intended to list the next things to implement, named PleaeHelp so to encourage participation (any opinions on this?) I'm thinking of making the superior WhatsNext? tiddler into an aggregate of all those PleaesHelp tiddlers. Opinions? Obviously anyone is welcome to improve any-/everything. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] tspace: how list members?
How do I for http://tiddlyworld.tiddlyspace.com/#Members 1) show a list of all added members? 2) make it possible for a visitor to somehow announce that he/she wants to be added as a member? Thank you :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: tiddlyworld - how dropdown in MainMenu
On Oct 13, 9:21 pm, Måns humam...@gmail.com wrote:
However the text in the popups are much too big to my taste
I agree. I now changed it to the command I see on Tobias space, i.e
{{noTitle{..}}}
but I'm wondering if there is a default alternative to just make it
whatever size the font for the menu section is.
consensus... democratic forum...
I think you are doing a great job - please keep on pioneering -
Well, I hope it will evolve into something that has a life of it's
own. I'm just not competent enough to do this so as you notice I need
someone to hold my hadn for every step. I'm grateful, but I really
wish some TW authority such as Osmosoft saw the value in this.
Maybe addHelp sounds a bit less begging?
I agree it's less begging... but then again, I *am* begging. I changed
it to Contribute - better? (I don't think addHelp is very clear.)
If you like it, I'll change the names of the associated tiddlers also
(damn, this is where your automation ideas should come in handy...)
I was wondering if we should implement/embed all videos on Vimeo
GREAT idea!!! To not overcrowd the MainMenu, I'm thinking of putting a
Help section there and move both the videos and the Wiki section into
it. Will do soon.
Maybe we should include bookmarkplugin http://bookmarks.tiddlyspace.com/
to speed up the process of collecting TiddlyWiki material which isn't
on TiddlySpace??
I just included it. Even after reading the descriptions there I just
don't understand how to use it though - ?
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[tw] Re: tiddlyworld - how dropdown in MainMenu
Tobias - dammit - I started writing, objecting to your idea about a separate dev site... but the more I think about it... you're right, LOL! However, is there an agreement that tiddlyworld (I guess primarily the MainMenu) encompasses what sections should be included? Would it fulfill its purpose as more or less a one-stop-shop community site? It would be very unfortunate to have community members using it only to later change things and see their previous engagement (such as posts) lost. There is one thing I do want to see - but please tell me why I'm wrong; I find it frustrating to not be able to tell TW's (and I guess websites in general) when something is not good or if I have an idea that I believe would benefit them. I think it is close related to the mere need to express oneself which of course is the base for the whole social internet craze. For this reason, however tiddlyworld is manifested, it should be very easy to comment on stuff. And 'easy' probably means the option to do so while it's in front of you as opposed to; interrupting your work, going over to the Forum section or the Ideas section, explaining what it is you're referring to, This was the purpose of the Notes tiddlers, but I'm sure it can be manifested in much better ways. Maybe every single tiddler, i.e the template of it, has a slider with a comments field? (Hmm, that's actually interesting!) Anyway, the point is to really try to predict needs that may arise... TiddlySpace does open for new possibilities. Thoughts? :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: tspace: how list members?
For 1), yes I know of the backstage member listing, but the idea was to be able to present members more prominently and perhaps also manipulate such a list - Tobias Beer - theme creator, ... For 2) yeah... I was hoping there was some smooth integrated way, maybe via those discussion plugins of late. Do they all require that you're already a member to be able to add something? (Those star- rating plugins lets user rating be saved without any loggin in, no? I've never used one, in tw) ...and a third yes; for the moment I agree only established members should be added, but then again, I think only established members have tiddlyspaces. It is still pretty much hidden from the world I would say. (Should you, or anyone, see any inappropriate name in the member list, feel free to delete it. After all, we are only 3 people contributing so far so the others merely serve as invitations.) :-) On Oct 13, 11:25 pm, Tobias Beer beertob...@googlemail.com wrote: as for 1) ...the list of members can be seen in the backstage area to the topleft as for 2) ...I guess you'll have to either provide... *a link to some discussion thread where one could say add me (simplest) *some email adress (not so good) *a (hosted) contact form so one send you an email in order to ask you to be added Personally, as for the moment and near future, I think it were best if those members would be known ones from around here or at least have introduced themselves. Cheers, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Problem in TSpace with NestedSlidersPlugin
Thank you Måns! That does work - until you want to sliders next to eachother where it causes the second popup to be in the same place as the first. As you know, however, the greater context for this question [1] seems not to be on to alternative solutions so I won't push the question further. Thanks! :-) [1] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/0cbb18b0db78ffd2# On Oct 11, 10:45 am, Måns humam...@gmail.com wrote: Hi twgrp I alerted ELS (i.e creator ofhttp://tiddlytools.com/#NestedSlidersPlugin ) but I suspect the error lies in TiddlySpace since that plugin is very mature. Any suggestions? Try: @@position:relative;+++^8em^*[buttonlabel|tooltip] content ===@@ It works for me ... Regards Måns Mårtensson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: tiddlyworld - how dropdown in MainMenu
First off; Hooray for the two of you! I don't know if I'm insulting
one and praising the other by saying it, but from my ant perspective
you are both giants! :-)
If I understand you guys right, there is currently no perfect
solution. However, considering how easy it is to change things in TW,
I think a sufficient existing solution will do.
Måns parameter idea to auto genereate menu items is interesting - but
I think there are so few menu items where it would be applied that
such a general approach might be a bit of an overkill, or am I missing
something? (Maybe you have some thoughts for the future, Måns?) I
should mention, however, that I'm reminded of the various
TreeViewMenu[1] variants that 'menuize' by tag.
Also note that as things evolve I think we'll want other 'level two
content' which may differ from menu item to menu item. (I mean,
considering the intended democratic nature of tworld, the content
there should be a consensus and the static Current/Notes/Proposed
may not hold.) (But I do love the concept of having things added
dynamically to the various menu levels simply by tagging.) BTW,
searching for why twv[2] doesn't work, maybe the space in the first
menu item, i.e Get involved messes up things?
Regarding Tobias popup [3] - do I get this right:
1) content is added by actual separate menu tiddlers
2) it requires manual CSS fiddling for proper width display
Any alternative routs we have missed? Surely the idea of a multi level
menu in (a horizontal) MainMenu must have been investigated earlier...
altho I'm not sure where to look. Maybe Wolfgangs ambitious menuflex
site[4] has something?
Thanks!
P.S I discovered something funny; the backstage slider in tworld
slides up *behind* the mainmenu! Take a look.
[1] http://twt-treeview-executive.tiddlyspot.com/
[2] http://twv.tiddlyspace.com/#template2
[3] http://tobibeer.tiddlyspace.com/
[4] http://menuflex.tiddlyspot.com/
On Oct 12, 1:32 am, Måns humam...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tobias So, essentially, what you really want is to not only to be able to
specify a tiddler that is rendered into the popup but also to hand
down some parameters as you would when using transclusion with
(evaluated) parameters. Something that might look like...
popup open this template:injected tiddler:SomeTid
params:%title% %modified%
...which, abstractly speaking, translates to: render tiddler
injected with: {{SomeTid.title}} {{SomeTid.modified}} into a popup
opened by a button called open this, right?!?
Hmm - I don't think I'm after getting popups for menuitems labelled
open this.
I would prefer if the listtag generated MainMenubuttons would reflect
whats inside each individual menubutton/item, -buttonlabel= 2'nd level
tagged tiddlers i.e.
1'st level:
MainMenu items= popupbuttons labelled 1 pr. tiddler tagged with
MainTopic
2'nd level:
Each individual popup shows a list of tiddlers tagged with:
popupbutton label i.e. the popup Showroom shows a
preformatted(configurable) list of links to tiddlers which include the
title of tiddlers tagged with Showroom popup Blog shows a list of
links to tiddlers which include the title of tiddlers tagged with Blog
- etc
example:
**[[link| $1]]
**[[link|foo$1]]
**[[link|bar$1]]
3'rd level:(not really neccesary in this context- however the
implementation might be optional, offering levels for autogenerating
popupmenus )
Each listitem could be a more generic popupbutton only showing a list
of tiddlers which are tagged with listitemtitles - ...
1) Automagically fills the MainMenu with dropdown buttons labelled with
titles tagged with i.e. MainTopic...
or MainMenu or whatever ...2) pops up a list of tiddlers tagged with
corresponding menulabel
.. as transcluded links - if a generated tiddlerlinktarget doesn't
exist, clicking the link will produce it...
Hope this explains my line of thought ...
@Tobias
Slightly offtopic - I'm afraid ... however:
I know I'm just dreaming here - I can't deliver one snippet of code
myself -
One of the things I've learned from using TW for a couple of years
now, is that you can change your way of conceptual thinking by
adapting methods delivered by tools already available - and I must say
I have enjoyed this journey so far, getting wider horizons and new
perspectives from simple yet powerfull tools delivered by the
community and gifted programmers as yourself...
Thanks a lot for all your great contributions so far Tobias!! - Please
keep on doing what you do so well - both in design and plugin-
development It's really inspiring to follow your progress - I
think I see a skyrocketing programmer :-)!!
Sorry - Just had to express some gratitude... for some invaluable work
for the community and TW in general.
Thanks !
Måns Mårtensson
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[tw] Re: tiddlyworld - how dropdown in MainMenu
Sorry, I got too eager. Appears not to work for MainMenu after all -
altho this is the very application Mr.Shulman does address. Maybe it's
a tspace thing?
On Oct 12, 10:11 pm, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote:
Hang on there, I just found this;
http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/525d83...
Will try to decipher it but figured you guys perhaps wanted to hear it
as quickly as possible.
:-)
On Oct 12, 9:58 pm, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote:
First off; Hooray for the two of you! I don't know if I'm insulting
one and praising the other by saying it, but from my ant perspective
you are both giants! :-)
If I understand you guys right, there is currently no perfect
solution. However, considering how easy it is to change things in TW,
I think a sufficient existing solution will do.
Måns parameter idea to auto genereate menu items is interesting - but
I think there are so few menu items where it would be applied that
such a general approach might be a bit of an overkill, or am I missing
something? (Maybe you have some thoughts for the future, Måns?) I
should mention, however, that I'm reminded of the various
TreeViewMenu[1] variants that 'menuize' by tag.
Also note that as things evolve I think we'll want other 'level two
content' which may differ from menu item to menu item. (I mean,
considering the intended democratic nature of tworld, the content
there should be a consensus and the static Current/Notes/Proposed
may not hold.) (But I do love the concept of having things added
dynamically to the various menu levels simply by tagging.) BTW,
searching for why twv[2] doesn't work, maybe the space in the first
menu item, i.e Get involved messes up things?
Regarding Tobias popup [3] - do I get this right:
1) content is added by actual separate menu tiddlers
2) it requires manual CSS fiddling for proper width display
Any alternative routs we have missed? Surely the idea of a multi level
menu in (a horizontal) MainMenu must have been investigated earlier...
altho I'm not sure where to look. Maybe Wolfgangs ambitious menuflex
site[4] has something?
Thanks!
P.S I discovered something funny; the backstage slider in tworld
slides up *behind* the mainmenu! Take a look.
[1]http://twt-treeview-executive.tiddlyspot.com/
[2]http://twv.tiddlyspace.com/#template2
[3]http://tobibeer.tiddlyspace.com/
[4]http://menuflex.tiddlyspot.com/
On Oct 12, 1:32 am, Måns humam...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tobias So, essentially, what you really want is to not only to be
able to
specify a tiddler that is rendered into the popup but also to hand
down some parameters as you would when using transclusion with
(evaluated) parameters. Something that might look like...
popup open this template:injected tiddler:SomeTid
params:%title% %modified%
...which, abstractly speaking, translates to: render tiddler
injected with: {{SomeTid.title}} {{SomeTid.modified}} into a popup
opened by a button called open this, right?!?
Hmm - I don't think I'm after getting popups for menuitems labelled
open this.
I would prefer if the listtag generated MainMenubuttons would reflect
whats inside each individual menubutton/item, -buttonlabel= 2'nd level
tagged tiddlers i.e.
1'st level:
MainMenu items= popupbuttons labelled 1 pr. tiddler tagged with
MainTopic
2'nd level:
Each individual popup shows a list of tiddlers tagged with:
popupbutton label i.e. the popup Showroom shows a
preformatted(configurable) list of links to tiddlers which include the
title of tiddlers tagged with Showroom popup Blog shows a list of
links to tiddlers which include the title of tiddlers tagged with Blog
- etc
example:
**[[link| $1]]
**[[link|foo$1]]
**[[link|bar$1]]
3'rd level:(not really neccesary in this context- however the
implementation might be optional, offering levels for autogenerating
popupmenus )
Each listitem could be a more generic popupbutton only showing a list
of tiddlers which are tagged with listitemtitles - ...
1) Automagically fills the MainMenu with dropdown buttons labelled with
titles tagged with i.e. MainTopic...
or MainMenu or whatever ...2) pops up a list of tiddlers tagged with
corresponding menulabel
.. as transcluded links - if a generated tiddlerlinktarget doesn't
exist, clicking the link will produce it...
Hope this explains my line of thought ...
@Tobias
Slightly offtopic - I'm afraid ... however:
I know I'm just dreaming here - I can't deliver one snippet of code
myself -
One of the things I've learned from using TW for a couple of years
now, is that you can change your way of conceptual thinking by
adapting methods delivered by tools already available - and I must say
I have enjoyed this journey so far, getting wider horizons and new
perspectives from simple yet
[tw] Following: Click avatar - new tid tagged @name
Suggestion for Following; clicking someones avatar in tspace should create a new tiddler with @someone so 'someone' can be contacted (presuming I understand this right, i.e that tagging with @someone alerts 'someone' in their Following stream.). Thank you :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Problem in TSpace with NestedSlidersPlugin
http://mtc-nestedsliders.tiddlyspace.com/ I alerted ELS (i.e creator of http://tiddlytools.com/#NestedSlidersPlugin ) but I suspect the error lies in TiddlySpace since that plugin is very mature. Any suggestions? Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] tiddlyworld - how dropdown in MainMenu
For the community site, http://tiddlyworld.tiddlyspace.com/ (...that I'm thrilled to see that you guys are joining in to improve! - Tobias, it looks AWESOME now!) I'm trying to make a small dropdown menu for each MainMenu section. Attempts include; DropDownMenuPlugin [1]; http://tiddlyworld.tiddlyspace.com/#DropDownMenuDemo ...but that plugin makes menu items too wide for MainMenu though. And NestedSlidersPlugin [2] http://tiddlyworld.tiddlyspace.com/#MainMenu_NSP ...but I'm not sure NSP works correctly with TiddlySpace because the floating tiddler is displayed some 2-3 inches too low down! I'm raising this issue separately [3] - however my question is generally if you have any 'best solution' to easily make a drop down menu of that kind that can be put into MainMenu. Also, because tiddlyworld is open for all to improve, it should be fairly straight on. Thanks :-) [1] http://tw.lewcid.org/#DropDownMenuPlugin [2] http://tiddlytools.com/#NestedSlidersPlugin [3] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/40e06a41630c2ba4 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Revised Default Theme for TiddlySpace
Some thoughts: * In GettingStarted the mentions of TiddlySpace are dead linkl. Unfortunate for a 'core' TW, not to mention for the welcoming tiddler. * Also, on the GettingStarted it reads MainMenu [...] on the *left* * The SiteIcon name/upload fields are not elegantly laid out, unevenly like that. * Great first impression of the color scheme, but the tabs box is another color. Would look better if the gradient comes from same blue. * (...and the *default* colors for edit mode are a bit funny, most of all too dark) * (BTW, am I the only one always getting Error saving ColorPalette: Forbidden unless manually open into edit mode and saving? Perhaps an issue for a separate thread.) * Also the Following bubble would look better if lighter. * That gradient box could be used as the separator between tiddlers instead of the thin but dark blue line currently seen on the top of the tiddlers. The tabs box could have the gradient going from blue (at bottom) to white, omitting the need for a top separator. * (Since you're positive to using gradients for the tabs, perhaps the whole top field or the MainMenu could be a (vertical) gradient? Design wise core TW has always been a bit stiff so a gradient here makes it a little more designy but still neutral.) * The search box could be a little further down (e.g as in Tobias demo). :-) On Sep 28, 7:20 pm, colmjude colmj...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all the great feedback. I've been revising lattice with that in mind: http://lattice.tiddlyspace.com/ My main aim was to clean up the UI whilst continuing to display all the features tiddlyspace has to offer. I've tried to exhibit all that tiddlyspace has to offer at the present and I will continue to optimise it as it matures. It doesn't introduce any new theming conventions so it should still be super easy to take this theme and make it your own, in whatever way you please. In fact, it would be great if you did that so that there is a whole host of themes available for new users to choose from. Osmosoft are planning to deploy this tomorrow which will affect some of the tiddlers in the system-theme space. For those of you wishing to add your own touches there will be one new tiddler, called StyleSheetColattice. When it gets deployed Osmosoft will provide details on a way to opt out of it for those that want to. Please take a look and let me know what you think, plus get in touch if you foresee any issues with the deployment. Colm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] (TSpace faq) Protect tiddlers from overwriting when including?
Related to a previous question[1], Is it possible to protect individual tiddlers when including another space that will otherwiser overwrite the current ones, such as themes etc? How do I best control to keep a theme? Actually, generally, what happens when included spaces have tiddlers with the same name as tiddlers in my space? Is there a priority order segregating between e.g system tiddlers and content tiddlers? And, perhaps even more fine grained division for the system tiddlers (as can be found under the includes tag)? Thanks [1] http://tinyurl.com/2uwx7j4 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Interesting Todo app
For the record, and FWIW, here's the content from one my bookmark folder named Lists (can't guarantee anything ;-) http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/browse_thread/thread/a7c608c25d4234aa/a76d61ea1ded223f#a76d61ea1ded223f ToDo list - TiddlyWiki | Google Groups http://www.math.ist.utl.pt/~psoares/addons.html#TaskOrganizerExample%20Plugins Paulo Soares - TiddlyWiki 2.6.1 addons http://www.giffmex.org/todolisttemplate.html Dave's to-do list http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/browse_thread/thread/1986179b33c278a6/e67a1fb907582052#e67a1fb907582052 Another To Do List Possibility - TiddlyWiki | Google Groups http://tiddlywikitips.com/TiddlyWikiTasks.html TiddlyWikiTasks - A checkbox-based Task List! http://www.b-oo-k.net/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyPackingList.html Problem loading page http://kronenpj.tiddlyspot.com/ My TiddlyWiki - a reusable non-linear personal web notebook http://listerator.tiddlyspot.com/ Grocery Master - Mastering the grocery lists in your life. http://twt-treeview-executive.tiddlyspot.com/ TWT-Treeview • Executive - - a deluxe personal web notebook http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/a8707f8062017f15/fee8bb4205f62655?lnk=gstq=%22%5Btag%5Btag%22#fee8bb4205f62655 sub list of tags? - TiddlyWiki | Google Groups http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/fc474311e7a65dc/df94ec42103fdd5f?lnk=gstq=ShowAllByTags#df94ec42103fdd5f formatting tag list - TiddlyWiki | Google Groups http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/5d72d988aecf7fcb/8bd64081f208713a?lnk=gstq=count+tiddlers+with+tag#8bd64081f208713a Using tiddler count in ForEachTiddler macro - TiddlyWiki | Google Groups http://tagsearch.tiddlyspot.com/ TagSearch - your new way of tagging On Sep 21, 9:21 pm, Tobias Beer beertob...@googlemail.com wrote: Didn't PMario have something to make lists sortable? Would be interesting to see if or if not this ToDoTiddler can be easily enhanced to being sortable. Cheers, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: How to protect some tiddler of TiddlyWiki?
It's not the same question I just posted, is it? [1] Assuming it's not, perhaps you could elaborate a little on your Q? Protect it from being deleted or seen in searches or...? :-) [1] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/f2ff1d15f5a0921a# -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Colorpalette with color dropdown menu for each item
Thank you all! Summary, and my comments for reference: both of; http://devpad.tiddlyspot.com/#PaletteViewMacro http://verticaltabs.tiddlyspot.com/#ColorFool seem to post fact show what is chosen but still problematic to know which code is what when you choose. For fine-tune to find the right values to insert; http://www.ficml.org/jemimap/style/color/wheel.html http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/color-blend/ ...and, to more or less point to a color to choose it, use; http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#PaletteMaker (The latter is what I was looking for) :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Welcome to our COMMUNITY SITE
...is what we'll hopefully be able to say soon! Here's the attempt, so far, and your input is very needed: http://tiddlyworld.tiddlyspace.com/ please be sure to read the Case Study in the welcoming tiddler. ... So, now that you've seen it and know what it is about - and why; What needs to be done? Suggestions for a better name? What's crucial to make it work? How we engage people? Please state your tiddlyspace username here so I can include you as a member. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Who has good TW taste?
I appreciate everybodys replies and you've given valuable info. Assuming I manage to get some help with the actual issue, it will be obvious later why I'm asking. A bit secretive for the moment ;-) Thanks! On Sep 18, 10:33 am, Ton van Rooijen tons...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi twgrp, Not sure what exactly you're up to. And good aesthetic sense is of course subject to personal taste. Nevertheless I dare to point you to the TW-website of my daughter-in- law, featuring her art-work: www.judithcruz.nl. (sorry it is only in Dutch and Spanish, but that shouldn't hinder to look at the aestetics) We made use of a.o. the Monochrome Theme v1.0 by Saq Imtiaz (see also tiddler MyTWeaks). Rgrdz / Ton. On 17 sep, 15:07, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, funny question. But for a reason that will be obvious later. So, guys, who among us would you say have good aesthetic sense and competence to realize it in a TW? Thank you :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Who has good TW taste?
Yeah, funny question. But for a reason that will be obvious later. So, guys, who among us would you say have good aesthetic sense and competence to realize it in a TW? Thank you :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] TSpace - any Download command?
Do I misunderstand or shouldn't it be possible to download and upload a space in TSpace to work locally with it (comparable to tiddlyspot)? Not to mention the mere psychological need for backups if using it for important info. I can't find any command for this. Maybe I need some plugin? Or, how go the argument. Thank you!!! :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: TSpace - any Download command?
Thanks to you both. Seems I'll have to hold my horses a little if I expect it to work though. I won't push the question further, but here are some notes: Måns; doesn't seem to work at all. Using Win7, FF3.6. Nothing happens simply, it just loads the page again. rakugo, when you state that I can obviously download the space I interpret it as via the browser Save page feature. (I know that for some reason this is not recommended at tiddlySPOT). Anyway, seemed to work but I can't close a new tiddler after creating it. Anyway, I'll go back to waiting and admiring the creations from you guys. :-) On Sep 8, 6:07 pm, Måns humam...@gmail.com wrote: Hi twgrp add /?download:SomeName.html to the Url ie: http// SomeSpace.tiddlyspace.com/?download:SomeName.html should work. Cheers Måns Mårtensson On 8 Sep., 16:49, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: Do I misunderstand or shouldn't it be possible to download and upload a space in TSpace to work locally with it (comparable to tiddlyspot)? Not to mention the mere psychological need for backups if using it for important info. I can't find any command for this. Maybe I need some plugin? Or, how go the argument. Thank you!!! :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Tspace issue: scroll to top
Uuups, sorry, NOW I really think it should work. (I just posted on the TWeb group on the reason for my mistakes; http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlyweb/browse_thread/thread/befe5417ab5e94e0 ) Thanks!!! On Sep 4, 11:02 am, Tobias Beer beertob...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi twgrp, Indeed, I can't find it and there's no such code in the templates that I am seeing... so there maybe is some access control issue. Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Tspace issue: scroll to top
Thanks Tobias! What can be seen is a small pink triangle on top of the X button, i.e on top of the close tiddler button. It is supposed to be at at the lower corner instead. Pleaes tell me if you still can't find it. (Maybe I'm missing/messing up something with private/public?) :-) On Sep 2, 12:04 am, Tobias Beer beertob...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi twgrp, I can't see any scroll to top button at all, neither at the top nor at the bottom... what am I supposed to be looking for? Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Tspace issue: scroll to top
I got a wonderful little scroll to top of tiddler (great to set focus at beginning of longer tiddlers) via ELS, which is put into EditTemplate and/or VeiwTemplate. This works great for vanilla but in TSpace the up arrow ends up in the top right tiddler corner when it is supposed to be in the bottom right tiddler corner. Here's a next to minimal test case; http://testcase1.tiddlyspace.com/#Note%20ViewTemplate%20EditTemplate Suggestions? :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Write down a title and hit create to create a new tiddler
Tobias, you're right. I take back my last comment. :-) On Aug 22, 9:31 am, Tobias Beer beertob...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I don't quite understand in what sense this would be beneficial over the way things currently work. Why bloating your template with input fields in order to enter a title and then hit new as opposed to hitting new and then entering a title while also being able to input contents and tags? Is it that you just want to create an empty tiddler called xyz without further editiing it right away? ...that would indeed save an extra step, but add another if you actually did want to enter some content and tags, as you'd have at least one more additional click to open the tiddler in edit-mode. Besides, as Anthony suggested, that functionality is already present in GotoPlugin ...which is my default for searching tiddler titles and content for all wiki's that I create. Tobias. On 21 Aug., 14:48, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 17, 3:29 pm, octw blog...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering if it is possible to put an input box in front of the 'new tiddler' button, so one can write down some words in the box then hit the 'new tiddler' button to open the tiddler with the title 'some words'? That should even be default IMO. Saves an extra step of work and just makes more sense. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Write down a title and hit create to create a new tiddler
On Aug 17, 3:29 pm, octw blog...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering if it is possible to put an input box in front of the 'new tiddler' button, so one can write down some words in the box then hit the 'new tiddler' button to open the tiddler with the title 'some words'? That should even be default IMO. Saves an extra step of work and just makes more sense. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] TWeb (TSpace) vs vanilla regarding speed?
Any speed testing done on TWeb, or particularly TSpace? Is there any reason to expect different performance vs vanilla? For a complex TW with many tables of forEachTiddler's etc, is there any advantage with one or the other? :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: TWeb (TSpace) vs vanilla regarding speed?
Thank you for your very informative answer, Mario! BTW, is anything executed on the TSpace server or is it only local CPU/ memory time that decide speed (other than algorithms in core+plugins)? :-) On Aug 21, 4:29 pm, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 21, 3:01 pm, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote: Any speed testing done on TWeb, or particularly TSpace? Is there any reason to expect different performance vs vanilla? The core tw is the same. 2.6.1. So I think, there will be no big difference. TiddlyWeb has some new functions. Since most of them are hijacking other system functions (save, load, delete, copy from one bag to another ...), they will be slightly slower. But most of the new functions are handling loading and saving to the web. If you compare this with eg: TiddlySpot, which has to upload/save a single big file everytime an update needs to be stored to the web. TiddlyWeb is much faster now ~300ms saving only the changed tiddler (depending on your internet connection). I also think/hope, that at the moment, the primary focus is functionality and usability. Serverside speed is allready a focus [1]. Clientside, there are also some new functions working with svg images. If you are using a lot of them at the same time, rendering will be measurable slower, because there is more to do :) For a complex TW with many tables of forEachTiddler's etc, is there any advantage with one or the other? :-) I don't think so :) forEachTiddler is a loop, that handles every tiddler, everytime it is executed. The more tiddlers, the more to do. So eliminating/simplifying unneeded commands will help. eg: a loop inside fET. Or reusing known information instead of calculating it every time. But I'm not an expert about fET, because I don't use it. I did set up a little Performance measurement routine[2], which needs InlineJavaSriptPlugin. RefreshTiddler plugin will be helpful. hope this helps have fun! mario [1]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlyweb/browse_thread/thread/b83308e... [2]http://hoster.peermore.com/recipes/TeamWork/tiddlers.wiki#Performance... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: TSpace faq: How include only individual tiddlers?
On Aug 9, 12:06 pm, FND f...@gmx.net wrote: The upshot, for now, is that the onus is on the respective space members to provide sufficient granularity to avoid undesired side-effects when the space is included - usually, this means using separate spaces for plugins, themes and content. Actually, if granularity is an important issue then maybe it'd make sense to have the default TSpace space created such by default? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] (att: TSpace) Identifying missing source for copied macro calls.
A problem when including/copying a limited set of tiddlers that contain macro calls is that you might not have included the tiddlers with the macro definitions and this causes errors. Here's an idea for this, particularly for something like TiddlySpace, where there's talk about not including plugins by default due to risk of malicious code (i.e safety risk being on the server side, if I understand it right): The idea is to let the user take the risk locally; Say you include a foreign space (F) and get errors per above. A plugin, in your own space, could(?) save the names of the missing macros and crawl/spider through F to locate the tiddler names where these macros are defined. This is the identification part. If the server doesn't have a safety issue then it's obviously just a matter to include that plugin also. Otherwise, such as for TSpace, the user can choose to import F or only those particular plugins to his *local* computer, into a TW designated to carry such risky tiddlers. I'm wondering if there is a way to then have the TSpace macro call tiddler fetch info from that local file or if that would be a safety issue again. It would at least prevent plugins from running on initialization but would it pose a (big enough) threat even if it just processed macro calls externally? (Or maybe my thougths don't make sense at all. I'm no programmer.) :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: TSpace faq: How include only individual tiddlers?
FND wrote: The upshot, for now, is that the onus is on the respective space members to provide sufficient granularity to avoid undesired side-effects when the space is included - usually, this means using separate spaces for plugins, themes and content. Aha, interesting. I understand that for security resons plugins are intended not to be included by default though. (Should be simple since they're always sysCon tagged). For granularization, an idea would be an export or split type plugin so that it is easy to split TW's by sending off e.g theme tiddlers or sets of tiddlers to another (or new) separate space. Or just maybe there is a way to map out which tiddlers are related to one another, so that it is easy for the owner to separate, or a visitor to include, only the relevant ones. I asked elsewhere if it was possible to deduce which plugin that is referred to from a macro call (so that if you copy tiddlers you know why it doesn't function and which plugin that is missing) but the brief answer was no. However, I have a thought a little and come up with the following: http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/6bd83f650ae2a156# :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] TSpace faq: How include only individual tiddlers?
Unless I misunderstand something, including a space resets the 'local layout' to the layout of that last included space. I'd assume this is not typically desired. Or, more generally, various undesired tiddlers are included also. Is there a way to include only individual tiddlers? Or sets of tiddlers? :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Sandbox or similar for tiddlyspace/faq/... (att: psd)
psd (whom I believe it associated with UnaMesa or at least core developmen, yes?) has generously put up http://faq.tiddlyspace.com http://tiddlyspace.tiddlyspace.com/ http://glossary.tiddlyspace.com/ ...and maybe even more of public interest. For psd - and/or whomever does something similar - may I suggest some possibility for visitors to give comments. (Or do I misunderstand something - maybe this is already possible?) Could be a sandbox but I guess the very best thing would be a way to comment individual tiddlers and some kind of tag or something so all such comments can be found easily. But really any possibility is better than none. IMO. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] TreeViewPlugin - how put newHere next to each menu item
[posted on TW Dev some time ago, but no response. Hoping for better luck here.] I like the TreeViewPlugin [1] for a hierarchical tree structure menu, but would like for a newTiddler type button to appear next to each item in the tree menu, to easily create new correctly tagged items. I've located where to put it, but I don't know how to 'phrase' the macro there so it works - about 3 inches / 1 decimeter up from the bottom at: http://treeview.tiddlyspot.com/#TreeviewPluginPlugin2 ...is the line: rtn = rtn +/ul\n ; Q1) Various attempts to insert a the macro call do not work. I don't know how to phrase a macro call there or if that is somply the wrong way all together. Q2) Actually, it's not the core newTiddler macro I wish to use but newHere macro from the NewHerePlugin [2]. This creates a new tiddler but tagged with the name of the tiddler from where the macro was invoked, thus resulting in it being correctly presented in the tree menu. I'm guessing this affects how the macro should be called, containing the name of the menu item to be rendered. There are no instructions in the plugin itself so I don't know how to do this. Thank you! [1] http://treeview.tiddlyspot.com/ ...or, my pref. layout: http://twt-treeview-executive.tiddlyspot.com/ [2] http://twt-treeview-executive.tiddlyspot.com/#NewHerePlugin ...or originally; http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/#NewHerePlugin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Tiddlyspace - Why only lowercase for space name?
Ok, I understand now. Thanks. On Aug 1, 9:47 am, FND f...@gmx.net wrote: When registering for a new profile, with the intention of creating a blog, I wanted to use my name... but apparently it must be all lower case. Can't really see why? The primary reason is that we need spaces to be valid hostnames (for the subdomain; e.g. foo.tiddlyspace.com), and we don't want to have to deal with the trouble of having both uppercase and lowercase letters. This might change in the future, but it's not currently a priority Also, detail suggestion: Instead of using the word Register, I suggest e.g Create profile or Desired space name or some such. IMO the word register is associated with giving out private info. Good point, actually - thanks. -- F. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
