Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Hello Good Morning Trisquelians ;-) I watched this thread with my coffe & croissants yesterday morning and well back to it this morning..;-) so i'll just do a " Revue de presse" EFF on the subjet 18hrs ago https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/06/european-commissions-hate-speech-deal-companies-will-chill-speech European Press Release Data http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-1937_en.htm http://www.euractiv.com/section/social-europe-jobs/opinion/hate-speech-in-the-european-parliament/ European Court of Justice of Human Rights http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/FS_Hate_speech_ENG.pdf This law is yet another step further into shaping public opinion & controlling dissent This law encourages IT companies to to educate and raise awareness with their users about the types of content not permitted under their rules and community guidelines. The use of the notification system could be used as a tool to do this I defend Freedom and value the right to free speech for anyone whatever his or her opinion I fear that this law will mostly target activist that fight for justice or try and raise public awareness (many a times public resistance is towards these very same corporate interests) ...uh cofees cold ...
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
technically crap isn't a swear. now if i said damn, that would be a swear and the list goes on and on... but really, this thread was bound to cause problems given the video's author, lets just drop it kay?
[Trisquel-users] Re : EU: All your internet are belong to us
The users mainly moderate the forum: we click the minus button when the post does not respect the community guidelines (not when you disagree with it). At -3, the post gets hidden. That said, write to https://trisquel.info/users/david/contact for more drastic measures (such as moving a thread to the troll hole) if you believe they are necessary.
[Trisquel-users] Re : How to translate sentences
Trisquel 8 will have version 3.4: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/apertium I successfully installed it (.deb after .deb) on Trisquel 7 but it does not work: $ apertium es-en /usr/bin/apertium-destxtlt-proc: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblttoolbox3-3.3.so.0: symbol _ZTVNSt7__cxx1115basic_stringbufIwSt11char_traitsIwESaIwEEE, version GLIBCXX_3.4.21 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference : relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblttoolbox3-3.3.so.0: symbol _ZTVNSt7__cxx1115basic_stringbufIwSt11char_traitsIwESaIwEEE, version GLIBCXX_3.4.21 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference apertium-tagger: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblttoolbox3-3.3.so.0: symbol _ZTVNSt7__cxx1115basic_stringbufIwSt11char_traitsIwESaIwEEE, version GLIBCXX_3.4.21 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference apertium-transferlt-proclt-proc: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblttoolbox3-3.3.so.0: symbol _ZTVNSt7__cxx1115basic_stringbufIwSt11char_traitsIwESaIwEEE, version GLIBCXX_3.4.21 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference : relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblttoolbox3-3.3.so.0: symbol _ZTVNSt7__cxx1115basic_stringbufIwSt11char_traitsIwESaIwEEE, version GLIBCXX_3.4.21 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference apertium-postchunk: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblttoolbox3-3.3.so.0: symbol _ZTVNSt7__cxx1115basic_stringbufIwSt11char_traitsIwESaIwEEE, version GLIBCXX_3.4.21 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference : relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblttoolbox3-3.3.so.0: symbol _ZTVNSt7__cxx1115basic_stringbufIwSt11char_traitsIwESaIwEEE, version GLIBCXX_3.4.21 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference apertium-interchunk: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblttoolbox3-3.3.so.0: symbol _ZTVNSt7__cxx1115basic_stringbufIwSt11char_traitsIwESaIwEEE, version GLIBCXX_3.4.21 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference /usr/bin/apertium-retxt: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblttoolbox3-3.3.so.0: symbol _ZTVNSt7__cxx1115basic_stringbufIwSt11char_traitsIwESaIwEEE, version GLIBCXX_3.4.21 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference apertium-pretransfer: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblttoolbox3-3.3.so.0: symbol _ZTVNSt7__cxx1115basic_stringbufIwSt11char_traitsIwESaIwEEE, version GLIBCXX_3.4.21 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference
Re: [Trisquel-users] When will Trisquel 8.0 (Flidas) release?
It's made by volunteers so there is no guarantee of anything. Something like Debian is surely more likely to keep going for years, possibly decades from now because it has strong support from various companies, a very large community and pool of users (relative to Trisquel) among academia and software developers. It forms the basis of many distributions so probably is most likely of all the distributions, along with Fedora and RHEL, to be around for the next few decades. Ubuntu could die easily if Canonical went bankrupt as it is basically snapshots of Debian unstable and a testbed for Canonical's projects. Point is, none of us have to use Trisquel. We choose to because we like the community and want a distribution based on just free software, but we are, to a certain extent, flailing in the dark, trying to find our way with technology. Yet we have the freedom to choose our path, and that's powerful. It's what makes free software great. Yet I totally see where you are coming from. We need more direct participation in Trisquel's development. If not I might well pack up if things get really slow due to what is essentially bureaucracy.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Trisquel installation - Checking
That is bad. Do regular backups (what should be actually done even if the disk is healthy) and expect the disk to fail for good anytime soon.
Re: [Trisquel-users] When will Trisquel 8.0 (Flidas) release?
This project claims to be open, but there is no communication what the default desktop environment will be and a tentative release date. Ruben needs to be more upfront.
Re: [Trisquel-users] netinstall; first timer's question
No, you don't have to edit the file. Let's imagine the following scenario. I run FVWM, and when FVWM is the only window manager installed, running startx on its own should begin FVWM. Now I want to switch to Ratpoison. I delete FVWM and install Ratpoison, then running startx starts Ratpoison. I believe it points to another file with the default Xsession or something (it's quite confusing in all honesty). There are several ways to start multiple environments. I can run startx ratpoison or startx openbox begin Ratpoison and OpenBox respectively (as far as I know those are correct). However it opens an Xterm and prints all the errors which can be annoying, especially on Ratpoison. So you edit the ~/.Xinitrc file to specify what startx does, for example this works: exec /usr bin/Ratpoison I'm not sure how ~/.Xsession works. Here is a forum posting about it: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/47359/what-is-xsession-for You should try and look more deeply into the subject of X sessions. I am not very experienced with it, it's quite confusing.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
So, just to clarify, are you a moderator? I can't tell who the moderators are (if there even are any), and how people become one. Since quite a few people here are advocating the removal of this thread to the troll hole (or maybe even complete deletion), would it not be reasonable to say there is a consensus? The thread is very long (it's the 16th longest thread in a mere 24 hours) so they may miss your post about getting +7 rating. Je ne sais pas :-(
Re: [Trisquel-users] Windows 7 and 8 users are starting to disable Windows Update entirely. Yikes.
What do you find unrealistic about the plan I suggested about selling to college students at student fairs?
Re: [Trisquel-users] netinstall; first timer's question
Thankfully, for now I want to stick to one environment. But that means every time you want to switch to another environment, you have to edit that file?? Even if it's only commenting out a line, it's not the most practical. Maybe there's some kind of CLI (or tty, not sure about that) GDM version? That wouldn't surprise me.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
I was saying it in jest but even if they did not bother to read them it is pretty standard practice among internet communities not to tolerate discriminatory language, not to make off-topic discussions etc., so obviously they should have assumed that those rules apply.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
There are people who vote -1 too, and if there is a +1 and a -1 that then becomes 0 and there is no record that somebody voted. My earlier call for a vote had this in mind. If I received a +7 despite the fact that there are those voting -1, then that was an adequate basis for my working to shut this down. In this case, I want to make it crystal clear that I am voting for this thread to end. It is a little silly, since I've called for this from the beginning so everybody knows that this is my advice. Still I thought CalmStorm put things well, and I wanted to show specifically that I am in agreement. Are you?? This is my last post in this thread. Attack if you want, I won't defend. I won't even read it!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Windows 7 and 8 users are starting to disable Windows Update entirely. Yikes.
Well, Google Chromebooks come close as they have Coreboot. They are also not locked down that much; they can be unlocked and re-flashed with upstream Coreboot and most support GNU/Linux reasonably well. You're also not paying the Windows tax which is something I suppose. Yet it hasn't led to a revolution of computing in freedom. Canonical have not made in-roads selling Ubuntu-powered laptops. Perhaps they should partner with stores like Best Buy in the USA to promote and sell GNU/Linux-powered laptop and desktop computers. Who knows what might happen? I think they may have already tried though, and maybe the cruelties of the market prevented it happening.
Re: [Trisquel-users] netinstall; first timer's question
What I mean regarding startx being problematic is that you have to specify in the .Xinitrc what environment X should load, which is pretty intimidating for someone not familiar with the command line interface. If you know how I am sure it's pretty straightforward. It has been going since the 1980s after all!
Re: [Trisquel-users] netinstall; first timer's question
Definitely. In my experience, LightDM needs some tweaking but is functional out of the box. You indeed shouldn't need to manually start X in that case. I didn't know that startx could be problematic with more than one environment, thanks for the info.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
-1 the reply button is for comments. The +1 and -1 is for voting. Weren't you so careful to follow the guidelines, rules, etc?
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Would you mind on point out what's so wrong with the original post? The only reason this thread got derailed was because root_vegetable point out who was the author of the video I posted in a low attempt to disrupt the thread by dragin it into off-topic chitchat. But that's not what the thread is about and I would expect root_vegetable to at least appologise for that. And I agree, I agree that you should stop using such bad words like "knock this crap off" because it's bad for the community. Please stop.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
I see what you mean. But I don't see how hate speech has even a remote chance to be correct, anywhere, at any time. Let me rephrase that: I don't see how "attacks on a person or group on the basis of attributes such as gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation" can potentially be the correct way to go, in any context. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech I'm still thinking about this by the way. But right now I don't see how hate speech deserves a free pass. Specially when seeing the amount of it on the web.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Laptop too hot - CPU (almost) always at 100%
I would go back to your previous link: https://askubuntu.com/questions/33640/kworker-what-is-it-and-why-is-it-hogging-so-much-cpu There was a good set of instructions there, that should be relatively simple to carry out: "If you find the system unusable due to excessive kworker activity, I would recommend trying to do fewer things. If you think you're not doing anything, try shutting down long-running services or timers (RSS readers, mail readers, file indexers, activity trackers, etc.). If this doesn't work, try restarting. If your system allows you to enable or disable hardware in a pre-boot environment, try turning off hardware you aren't using. If it happens on every restart before you do anything, you could try uninstalling things, but at this point you'll want to be running syscall profiling tools to track down specific applications that seem to be causing this overload." Check your system. Are you running any email programs, RSS news readers, any programs like "recoll" that index files and keywords? (Run the "ps -A" command and look for "recoll" or "recollindex"). Any "activity tracking" programs? Is there any hardware you can disable without harming the functioning of the way you use your system?
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
+1
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Well, I suppose to understand Marxism you should read the Communist Manifesto. When you read it, don't forget that it was written in the 19th century (indeed, Marx and Engels thought it needed updating, especially notes on literature at the time). It is quite interesting to read, and is pretty short. It is relatively easy to find Marx's work in stores, and many charity shops/second-hand book stores, but it is also public domain, for example here is the Communist Manifesto on Project Gutenberg: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/31193/31193-h/31193-h.htm (note that when Marx refers to the party he means a group of likeminded people, not an organised political organisation, like say the Green Party or the Social Democratic Party). To understand libertarian socialism you could read some books by Noam Chomksy. A rather long introduction to this is found in How the world works which is a collection of Chomksy's speeches and interviews put into a more readable format, you can probably find it in a book store. A list of his works to which links are provided if there is the full text or a sample provided: https://chomsky.info/books/. If you go to the homepage and select 'articles' it has them ordered by date, and most if not all of them on the website. Also of good note is this article, it has a link to a PDF of Powers and Prospects: http://www.openculture.com/2014/05/read-9-books-by-noam-chomsky-free-online.html (that website is great in general and has links to many freely available works of many authors, such as short stories, interviews, and video content).
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
What EU law? I still don't see any source, therefore I can hardly judge whether it's right or wrong.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Windows 7 and 8 users are starting to disable Windows Update entirely. Yikes.
If only someone who doesn't support drm, would sell computers with bioses that would support any operating system. and have a chain of stores all over the world that were not locked down and could be reverse engineered with libreboot if needed. This however is not going to happen or at least not for many thousands or more years. Though i find this extremely unlikely, I dream of a better world anyways. meh better to hope than to give up completely, I always say. ;)
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Since I'm blinded by your brilliance (at avoiding to present sources), please help me find actual proof of what you're saying about that EU bill. Because I still don't see a damn source. Since you want to bring RMS in: When people talk about punishing "hate speech", they advocate censorship of opinions. Censorship is dangerous to society and democracy. And I can't disagree with that, yet I'd tell him that unrestricted free speech is just as dangerous to society and democracy. https://stallman.org/archives/2016-mar-jun.html#3_June_2016_%28Censorship_in_the_UK%29 And here's a source about that EU thing you're talking about: http://ec.europa.eu/justice/fundamental-rights/files/hate_speech_code_of_conduct_en.pdf You remind me of that Demolition Man movie which is Manichean (and extreme) as possible, in freedom and its opposite. It's all about balance, it's not all or nothing. It's contextual, not the same concept you apply "as is" any time, anywhere. The IT Companies also share the European Commission 's and EU Member States' com mitment to tackle illegal hate speech online. Illegal hate speech, as defined by the Framework Decision 2008/913/JHA of 28 November 2008 on combating certain forms and expressions of racism and xenophobia by means of criminal law and national laws transpos ing it, means all conduct publicly inciting to violence or hatred directed against a group of persons or a member of such a group defined by reference to race, colour, religion, descent or national or ethnic origin. The IT Companies and the European Commis sion also stress the need to defend the right to freedom of expression, which, as the European Court of Human Rights has stated, “is applicable not only to "information" or "ideas" that are favourably received or regarded as inoffensive or as a matter of i ndifference, but also to those that offend, shock or disturb the State or any sector of the population” . 1 This sounds perfectly reasonable to me. What matters is HOW they intend to do it. That's the difference between theory (or good intentions) and practice.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
just do it anyways, for the sake of ruben and the community. don't let this flame war continue, please?
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Yet they are there nonetheless. Don't try to compare this to the book-length draconian EULAs that companies like amazon have. Nobody reads those. This is a handful of sentences in large, bold, font, that are written in clear and simple language. You read them but you don't remember--or choose not to remember. They are in your face when you sign up. Then, of course, there is the sentence in huge font at the top of the forum main page: "Please read and follow the Community Guidelines." That is so large and in your face that even I can see it from under this rock! So the trite comparison to the enormous EULAs of the mega corporations, simply doesn't apply.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel installation - Checking
What is the meaning of the red listed devices? (lshw -html)
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
I can see where you are coming from but I think it is reasonable for websites to have community rules that ban inciting violence against minorities for instance and advocation of discrimination. I have looked at this EU ruling and most of it seems quite reasonable. C'est la vie...
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
that would be because most people expect lawyer speak guidelines...
Re: [Trisquel-users] How to translate sentences
es-en doesn't work. And other translations are not as good as they should be. :( Please, someone recommend a good free translator. :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
If I was a mod, I would have closed this thread a while ago, then again though, I am not and thank goodness. I have made similar errors in the past. still though, this isn't good for our community so, I think we should stop talking about this. okay?
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Nobody reads the terms and conditions no matter how short they are... You live under a rock or something?
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
well from what I remember he was represented by animal farm as being snowball the guy who wanted a good leadership. and stalin was of course represented by Napoleon. my bad though I haven't read up on history for a while, I may have gotten things very much confused. I was under the impression he wanted freedom and that was why I pointed him towards sanders. But, thanks for correcting me. so tell me what is socialism then? I thought I knew and now I don't
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
lol You didn't agree to the guideline?
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Of course there are and should be limitations on free speech-- hate speech isn't one of them, however.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
We have free speech in principal, but this isn't what this thread ended up being about. It became about many other unrelated things. Personally I think the EU ruling could prove impractical but... que sera, sera.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
That's doesn't change the fact that this EU law (as many others) is just plain wrong.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How to translate sentences
1. Probably when Ubuntu does (maybe Trisquel 8, not sure). 2. It's SaaSS but it's better than using google... Perfect would be to use apertium in your own computer (hopefully you will have it running better than I do).
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Well that's just a matter of opinion, and we'll just have to agree or disagree.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
The free software movement (free in bold because you seem to be legally blind) cares about freedom of computing, and freedom in general too. Freedom of speech is something rms (for instance) has a long history of advocacy. Also, when SOPA and PIPA came people had fear that it could become an instrument of censorship and even more massive surveillance. Just the same as I'm fearing too this could become in a future.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech See the limitations part. Also I find interesting that the right to privacy (which I value a whole lot) is a restriction of free speech. Depending on the context (as nearly always), I'm perfectly fine with that. Allowing unrestricted free speech is at least as dangerous as heavily restricted free speech. Like many things in real life, it's too complex to just be either all black or all white, but more like shades of grey.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Laptop too hot - CPU (almost) always at 100%
Yes. I think that is because my cpu only has one core... Old laptop remember? :) No, I use the standard Gnome that comes with Trisquel.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
"The forum / mailing lists exist to foster the development and use of Trisquel." How do you reconcile the existence of this thread given that you promised to abide by the above guideline? Don't tell me, "well, son, you haven't been around enough to know that those guidelines don't mean a thing!" I'm not interested in how old you think I am, or how long I have been part of the Trisquel community. I don't care whether or not the decision about this thread is consistent with every other thread in the history of these forums. We have guidelines and I object that this thread is not in accordance with those guidelines.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
You mean those things about copyright infringement and intellectual property? By definition, they fit free software way more than that "imaginary" EU bill. But let's say it does belong in the main forum for a second, because I'd like you to answer the other part of my statement. I say "Imaginary" because this is the 3rd time I'm pointing out that the discussion revolves around nothing concrete. Would you care to provide some actual sources? Because I don't see the point of going on if it's a philosophical debate about the concept of free speech.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
That's not how it works, you don't move things around by votes. Mods move things when they decided that some topic is off-topic. I myself criticized some cat thread some crazy troll made once, and it got moved to the troll hole. People here (way older than you) will remember. And I remember and participated in the multiple thread that condemned PIPA, SOPA, etc. So I have the experience to know that this EU law is of Trisquel community's concern.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
lol, I almost hate to see this thread go, since your posts are so entertaining root_vegetable I can work on getting this thread moved to the Troll Hole, but I would like some consensus: A choice of +1 means you agree that this thread should be moved to the Troll Hole. It looks like there are about a dozen people in this thread, if I get >= +7 I will try and get this thing moved.
Re: [Trisquel-users] netinstall; first timer's question
Can't they just install lightdm, with either unity-greeter or the lightdm-gtk-greeter, or even GDM? Add the MATE development PPA as directed here: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/installing-mate then do the following: sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment lightdm unity-greeter Et voila! A working MATE desktop that you can start graphically, no fiddling around with startx (which can be problematic when you have more than one environment installed, as you might well end up doing). I believe that you can set it to start automatically without having to put in your login credentials (that's how the LiveCD works, it skips the login step because there is no username/password). Text login then startx is generally only used for really minimal systems that might only run a window manager, e.g. Ratpoison, which I'm running right now to type this. You can make your own files that would make Ratpoison list itself in Lightdm or GDM.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
"I agree [with you, let's stop this thread]" "...Now let's back to the main topic [and not stop this thread!]." Oh, I see. You agree with me about stopping the thread, and then immediately try to restart it!!! I'd actually be offended at your calling me a liar if you weren't so hypocritical. Notice I didn't mention you at all until you responded to my call to end the thread with 'ok, let us start all of this over again from the beginning' So I was not lying at all. Pay attention now as I explain it slowly: 1.) You singled yourself out as a troll and 2.) I told you to go away. Q.E.D.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Yea, I'm against laws that prohibit hate-speech or try to regulate it. The EU's bill sounds terrible to me...
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
The sad thing is that these threads never get moved to the troll hole. I think there are no moderators on these forums beyond people putting too many '-1' votes on a comment, which is open to abuse and personal feuds arguably more than a defined moderation system. I don't know who the moderators are, maybe we should vote for some people to do this. At any rate most people are abiding by the rules, until we all get carried away (I got carried away admittedly) and start these extremely polarised discussions. Maybe it is a social experiment by Richard Stallman, fancying himself as a sort of benevolent Mark Zuckerberg, to see how internet minarchy plays out. Maybe after the impending nuclear apocalypse the internet will become entirely that, hosted by our benevolent robot masters who will arrive from outer space, guarding the last remenants of humanity to post unironic memes with Comic Sans fonts, and sharing those excessive Mukbang videos. I feel so bad now for writing all this polarised stuff if it is driving people away from the community. Come back folks! We should behave better.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
>"GO AWAY!!!" >"I wasn't singling you out Don't you love people who just lie straight out? I don't know why you have it against me and only me. But I'm not about to capitulate. This EU rule is not much different than SOPA, PIPA and the other harmful proposals that we condemn right here in the Trisquel forum (of course you don't remember because you weren't here then).
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
"So instead of calling me names you should show some respect." You are receiving respect in proportion to your actions. Act like a troll, get treated like a troll. You are continuing to provoke people with this topic, in the wrong forum. So my comments were appropriate. If you have been here longer, then you should know better! You should lead by example. So this makes your actions worse, and therefore more deserving of my statements. But I wasn't singling you out--you singled yourself out!
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Does SOPA and PIPA has neither to has anything with trisquel? Because I remember very well that people here could talks abut that endlessly.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Is this all you got about this law? Any source, something? Anyway, I second this thread to at least be moved to the Troll hole. It has nothing to do with Trisquel or free software.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
If you are having trouble create a new forum topic and elaborate further. At least it would be related to free software, unlike this topic.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
I've been here for way more time than you, I've probably helped more the cause of free software in all these years more than you. So instead of calling me names you should show some respect.
[Trisquel-users] A RAID1 question
Does Tresquel 7 support RAID 1? I have a hardware RAID 1 set in an Icy Dock 3.5" backplane with 2 SanDisk Extreme Pro SSDs and have tried Intel chips and AMD chips with the same result: Tresquel won't install. It gets to the "Preparing to Install Trisquel" place and stops. The little white thing will spin for as long as I let it. Ubuntu Studio 14.04 LTS installed fine, first try, and works good. What's up with Tresquel? Thanks. I learn a lot here and I appreciate it. I like Tresquel more than Ubuntu and want to use it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
hate speech is defined by the EU as including ‘incitement to hatred’, which is both circular and so vague as to mean almost anything. What this means is lawyers can use this loophole to give their own interpretation on whats hate speech and use it on their advantage to ban almost anything. That would be the legal system being used (again) for the interests of a few rather than truth and justice for everyone.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
The second video is featured on the so-called "Prager University". It is about as reputable an 'educational institution' as Trump University, a pathetic commercial entity offering "business education", which is known to bully people into blowing all their money on worthless courses in real estate to get rich quick. TrumpU takes after Trump himself, it seems. "PragerU" is run by the far-right talk-show host Dennis Prager (or at least is tarnished with his name), a man who likes to peddle the narrative that there is an attack on religious freedom, i.e. the freedom to oppress others. This view is exacerbated by campaigns by secular organisations to reduce the state funding of religion. The video takes a similar line. It says that there are efforts to ban speech that is considered "hurtful" and "hateful", and the video specifially mentions the efforts to prevent "freedom of religion". This is the most utter crap. For a start, it ignores the history of Europe, where religion (the dominant force being Christianity) has been part of the general oppression of freedom of expression for centuries. Look at Spain, with the Spanish Inquisition (and the Catholic Church's alliance with Franco's Fascists), and Nazi Germany's pact with the Catholic Church to protect itself. Look more generally at the denial of women's reproductive rights and rights to schooling. It is just the most stupid argument. "Sensitivity-based censorship" is presented with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. There are efforts to separate the Church and State further in many European countries, but religious leaders enjoy little fear of oppression and censorship at the hands of the state. There is healthy debate about the role of religion in modern times, and religious leaders are welcomed to express their views in throughout the media. Religion is largely respected, and it is declining. However, this represents Christianity, as the dominant religion. Islam is not widespread (although it has a wide presence) and in recent months has seen backlash and attacks by far-right thugs. We should of course not that this does not mean an attack on freedom of religion! People are still allowed to express themselves freely. I think that the emphasis on "criticism of religion" is perhaps support for Marine Le Pen (in the video, the words "criticism of religion" are put over France) who frames anti-Muslim rhetoric as "criticism of religion". There's something insidious about that whole video... Now it attacks 'Political Correctness'! It's such a load of crap. This leads back to the issues of freedom of speech in general vs. the moderation on non-public forums. It's all a load of double-standards anyway. American TV won't allow swearing (they say 'darn it' far too much) but they are happy to show graphic images of dead people in far-off lands. They frame accusations of a general criminality among black people as polite 'analysis' of events, and blame illegal immigrants for undercutting the American wages. They talk about the 'political correctness' at American colleges and universities, but this is generally about the supposed "suppression" of activities that are nationalist. That video gives several examples but does not give us the full story, or even links to news articles about them. The video says that "few conservative speakers are invited to speak at colleges, lest they be 'disinvited' later". This is, again, a theme of this comment thread. There is not an attack on free speech. The conservative speakers could go to speak wherever will take them, voice their opinion on the internet, or in the conservative mass media. It is not an attack on free speech to no-platform someone. As for trigger warnings, I think they can sometimes be used to the extreme, but often they are reasonable. For example, the comic book 'Tintin in the Congo' was only recently translated into English. As Tintin books are generally read by children, a warning was written saying that it reflected the society in Belgium at the time, which was supportive of the brutal dictatorship in Central Africa, and as a result some of the material in the book is shocking by today's standards. What if that warning was not included? It might upset some children that African people are portrayed in the fashion they are in the book. The example of the trigger warning in the Great Gatsby perhaps goes a little too far but perhaps a note in the preface about it reflecting mysoginistic attitudes of the time would not be unreasonable. To be honest though, the fact that so much mysoginy still exists, which the video completely brushes over, would make it seem not particularly shocking in my opinion. I think there is a certain irony that the video is attacking trigger warnings when these are reasonable under freedom of speech... if that is, indeed what the video cares about, rather than the
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
"Now let's back to the main topic." You are not listening troll. Maybe louder will help?? GO AWAY!!!
[Trisquel-users] A RAID1 question
Does Tresquel 7 support RAID 1? I have a hardware RAID 1 set in an Icy Dock 3.5" backplane with 2 SanDisk Extreme Pro SSDs and have tried Intel chips and AMD chips with the same result: Tresquel won't install. It gets to the "Preparing to Install Trisquel" place and stops. The little white thing will spin for as long as I let it. Ubuntu Studio 14.04 LTS installed fine, first try, and works good. What's up with Tresquel? Thanks. I learn a lot here and I appreciate it. I like Tresquel more than Ubuntu and want to use it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
I agree. root_vegetable and loldier has drag me and other in this thread way too off-topic. Now let's back to the main topic. Which is EU with a new law that could and can be used to control public opinion directly in the EU and outside too indirectly.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Last I checked, there are hundreds of people who are viewing this site at any point in time. I wouldn't blame any of them for rejecting this community for its inability to control itself from having these polarizing discussions about politics and hate speech and the like. For those whose attitude is: "Good, f*** 'em, they can't stand the heat--get out of the kitchen!!". Realize this: Trisquel is a very tiny community that needs growth and can't afford to lose people that like Trisquel, but dislike unpleasant, unnecessary, totally out-of-place, political debates. We all agreed on the terms of using these forums. While I know it is fun to be an anarchist, let's stop feeding this thread let it crawl into the corner and die like it deserves. IMHO :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Serving as an elector does not automatically translate as being a member of the same party or holding all the same views as that party. Anyone wishing to run for office needs electors to be eligible. When Pulley ran in 1980, Sanders was actually an independent having left the (socialist) Liberty Union Party in 1977. No doubt he felt Pulley was closer to his thinking than either Carter or Nixon. I suspect Duke's association with the KKK is always brought up by people because of what that organisation did in contrast to what the SWP or LUP ever achieved in US politics. Sanders I believe became independent due to the inactivity of the LUP ironically when he was in fact the chairman.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
I think you are banking that I didn't watch your video. I wish I didn't because it is a load of utter crap, but there we have it. I will tell you why it qualifies as hate speech. He starts with "The Zionist media". This is to feed into his racist narratives of his other videos, that there is a conspiracy be Jews to take over the world. It was the same narrative peddled by the Nazis, and David Duke's other Holocaust-denying associates, such as the Ku Klux Klan, who are very fond of using Nazi imagery. "The reason why the Zionists who have so much ungodly influence in the American media, and they've got the politicians in their back pockets, and they've got the big banks and the big money who controls the politicians... Goldman Sachs, they control the Federal Reserve, they control the World Bank..." This feeds into the narrative that the Jews rule the world, are trying too, or are extremely close to doing so. It is simply not true. He keeps mentioning the "pernicious Zionist influence". It is just a load of rubbish. It is convenient for people like Duke to use the injustice of the Israeli occupation to peddle their conspiracy about Jews, but they don't, for instance, criticise the mass-incarceration of black people, which they support because they are a bunch of white supremacists, and justify violence and murder of these people in the past and present based on religious references and pseudo-scientific doctrines, the same that justified slavery and imperialism. Examining the video, it becomes clear that Duke probably doesn't care all that much about these people dying, or at least has convinced himself of it because he wants to justify his conspiracies about "Zionists". Hate speech is justification of violence and stigma. Duke wants to create stigma and anti-Semitism, so this qualifies as hate speech. It is disguised so that at first it might seem justified, but anyone watching the whole video can probably tell that the conclusion of the video is pretty outrageous and designed to forment tensions. It is thus hate speech, and I am pretty surprised it is still available. It just goes to show that the ferociously-authoritarian EU is really not doing its job, is it? Note, there are legitimate criticisms of Israel. It is just that this is used as part of his hate speech. The irony is that people like Duke say that it is not anti-Semetic to criticise Israel, when he is deliberately confusing the two issues of the State of Israel and Jewish people to justify his anti-Semitism.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Installation problem of Trisquel 7 on laptop ASUS X554LA
You need to edit /etc/default/grub as super user and then run update-grub as super user afterwards. The variable is GRUB_GFXMODE, see https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.txt
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Indeed. The Kochs and Goldman Sachs are not interested in your liberty, in the meaning the word carried before it was hijacked in the insane dash to weaponize economics. Conservative libertarians took a decent ideology (although ideologies are, after critical analysis, or, even more devastating, deconstruction, the ideas of dead guys, males, mostly dead white males. dead rich white males - I won't call them men - they're monster boys in adult bodies) and spun it into neoliberalism, so, about 36 years later, the Sixth Mass Extinction could come for our species any day now. This is because this sort of libertarianism thinks it deserves our money, so it does the old fashioned thing and steals it. The overexploitation of the life system under this harebrained ideology gone mad had 150 species per day going extinct a while back, according to Guy McPherson, an acacemic field ecologist before he headed back to the land, knows these things. We're in a really dumb predicament. No one ever said the aristocracy was intelligent. Descartes, an aristocrat, could dissect a live, unsedated dog and swear it felt no pain, when the scientific method of which he is remembered as a founder was purportedly based on observation, on objective observation. That dumb crap, masquerading as thought, remains a part of the basis of western culture. In the words of my friends in grad school, we're fucked, since we didn't stop polluting the life system and creating one desert after another 30 years ago like James Hansen told Congress we had to do. On that happy note, I'll step away from the lectern, after one last remark. Technology observes real reality, the one humans did not create, no better than Descartes. Go Bernie! On 06/03/2016 05:22 AM, dguth...@posteo.net wrote: Libertarianism got hijacked by the tight long ago. They misinterpret freedom from oppression as freedom from regulations. It's pretty creepy. There are no rightwing anarchists, as capitalism only exists with the support of the state. They just want to shrink the bits of government they don't like so they can opress and get rich off poor people. It's creepy. Private power is worse than public power which at least has some element of control over it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Windows 7 and 8 users are starting to disable Windows Update entirely. Yikes.
Most of the people know buy computers from a brick-and-mortar store. They go into a store like Best Buy, and they try out different computers and eventually buy one. It would be great if there was a GNU/Linux store where people could go and try out GNU/Linux in person, buy it installed on the computer, and receive support services. Alternatively, perhaps stores like Best Buy could carry a line of computers that have GNU/Linux installed. I wouldn't hold my breath though. The simplest initial solution would be to set up a table at some college fair. Then make demonstrations, answer questions, and help people install GNU/Linux. If this were done by a company that already exists, like Think Penguin, orders could be taken as well--maybe even sell some laptops there and then. This could be quite a lucrative model for promoting GNU/Linux, since a lot of college students buy computers, and there are a lot of college students. Also, there are many benefits to focusing on college students and universities in general.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
https://xkcd.com/1049/
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
>Have you evidence to support your statement that Sanders is a communist? Sanders served as an elector for the 1980 Socialist Workers Part nominee Adrew Pulley And don't let the name fool you. They are openly communist and Marxist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Workers_Party_%28United_States%29 >"Plus nobody calls Duke a communist either as you say" I imagine you're responding to this part: >"For example Bernie sanders is a former communist, but no one call him that all the time as they do with David Duke" I actually meant to say: "For example Bernie sanders is a former communist, but no one call him that. While David Duke is called "former Ku Klux Klan" all the time." Sorry for the little mistake.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Ugh... Don't defend Lenin, ever. There's little that was good about him, for example he opposed free speech, presided over political violence, and destroyed any force that dared oppose him, like the Ukranian Free Territory and the Kronstadt rebellion. He was awful in the end. Not as awful as the later rule of Stalin, granted, but not worth defending at all. Oppression is oppression no matter how it might look from the outside... Also, Lenin did not found socialism, just the ideology of Marxist-Leninism. There have always been social movements, and things like Marxist-Leninism subjugate rather than liberate. It's socialism without liberty, if it's socialism at all, and that's frankly horrible. Socialism isn't really something you can say was "founded", it is a series of leftwing movements that were formalised into specific ideologies, for example there is libertarian socialism at the sane time as Marxism (indeed, the anarchist Mikhail Bakunin opposed Marx at the 1872 Hague Congress). If you want the good part of socialism read the works of Noam Chomsky: https://chomsky.info/ https://chomsky.info/books/ There's no point sticking to dogma written a century ago, when the world has changed so much. It leads to the cult of the leader, etc.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Help me burning encryped DVD with Luks
I'm continuing the post #22 by HKR I've corrected some commands dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=665 of=my-container.iso On this command, you will notice the use of .iso rather than .img used in this tutorial http://elephly.net/posts/2013-10-01-dm-crypt.html Using a .iso file is better for Brasero, because it is a recognized format. sudo cryptsetup luksFormat my-container.iso sudo cryptsetup luksOpen ~/my-container.iso secret-device sudo mkfs -t ext4 /dev/mapper/secret-device mkdir ~/my-mount-point sudo mount /dev/mapper/secret-device ~/my-mount-point sudo umount ~/my-mount-point sudo cryptsetup luksClose secret-device sudo cryptsetup luksOpen ~/my-container.iso secret-device sudo mount /dev/mapper/secret-device ~/my-mount-point sudo chown [your name session] my-mount-point After a my-container.iso burning, the things I feared in post #19 happened. When you insert the encrypted cd-r and you try to open it in Nautilus, the usual window you can find with your external HD or USB key works very well. But after have entering your password there is this warning : Impossible to access to « 695 MB Volume» Error mounting /dev/dm-3 at /media/[your session]/d2848ff6-7b28-44d0-91f3-8a454c84fb23: Command-line `mount -t "ext4" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid" "/dev/dm-3" "/media/[your session]/d2848ff6-7b28-44d0-91f3-8a454c84fb23"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: block device /dev/mapper/luks-e8d99aff-7c20-445b-9b1a-88d350197868 is write-protected, mounting read-only mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mapper/luks-e8d99aff-7c20-445b-9b1a-88d350197868, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so There is the problem of the mounting point named "my-mount-point" and you can't acces to your files. It is also impossible to eject the CD-R without restart the machine. Does anyone understand what really says this warning ? Thank you.
Re: [Trisquel-users] netinstall; first timer's question
Will MATE launch automatically when I subsequently turn my computer on? No, you need to start X (I don't remember, but I think the command is "startx"). At least that's what I had to do with my i3wm install until I configured a file to make it start without my input. You'll definitely have a CLI with BASH, but you might have to "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install" some programs. No big deal. The problem I faced with my net install is that i3wm is really minimalist, so wifi, and making hard drives to mount/unmount/eject automatically (or close to that) was tough for me. But maybe the default MATE comes with lots of fully featured programs, or maybe you'll have to add some more programs, hopefully avoiding duplicates.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Good point: Respect among community members Discrimination -- Do not discriminate against people based on age, gender, sex, sexual orientation, disability, religion, ideology, ideas, social class, nationality, race, intelligence, or any analogous grounds. Profanity -- Do not curse or use hard language here. Social norms differ from place to place; hard language can deter people from our community. Incivility -- Do not insult others here. Disagree and challenge ideas instead. Does that go against free-speech? If it does, I'm fine with that. I definitely don't mind giving so much voice to intolerant propaganda. I mean What's happening in Croatia or Poland is not something I want to encourage in the name of free speech. It makes me think about that Voltaire quote. Wait a second: if you want to quote Voltaire on free speech, here’s something that he did write once, in his 1763 Treatise on Toleration: “The supposed right of intolerance is absurd and barbaric. It is the right of the tiger; nay, it is far worse, for tigers do but tear in order to have food, while we rend each other for paragraphs.” That’s something probably everybody on the Internet could stand to think about, ourselves included.if you want to quote Voltaire on free speech, here’s something that he did write once, in his 1763 Treatise on Toleration: “The supposed right of intolerance is absurd and barbaric. It is the right of the tiger; nay, it is far worse, for tigers do but tear in order to have food, while we rend each other for paragraphs.” That’s something probably everybody on the Internet could stand to think about, ourselves included. http://www.themarysue.com/voltaire-beatrice-evelyn-hall/ On the other hand, if it's not clearly defined, it's clearly a censorship tool. So, what about the actual text? How loosely defined is it, in practice?
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Yeah, Costa Rica to be more specific. ¡vivan siempre el trabajo y la paz!
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Have you even watch the video? In the video you see a video that got censured not because it was hate speech, but simply because interest. "UN Envoy Cries for Gaza Children" Also you can see more people that got silenced simply because interests in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vVohGWhMWs You should watch this peaceful free speech while you can, you don't know when it will get banned too in France.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Do you live in America? If so, why do you reserve such bad words for the EU, even though it doesn't affect you? And if you live in Europe, why question whether user Loldier lives in America?
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
I would +10 if i could.
Re: [Trisquel-users] netinstall; first timer's question
I think you can install a minimal base system from any ISO. Just do the text installer and leave all desktop out. Then install X and add MATE or any other DE. You'll have to install all other programs one by one if they are not included in MATE. The usual repos are there, so it's no big deal if you are missing a few bits. Add them when needed. That's how I did a base system and added X and CDE.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How to translate sentences
1. apertium version on its web is: 3.3.2. (2016-01-02) When will Trisquel update this package? 2. apertium has a translation web: https://www.apertium.org. Could we use it or we must not because it is a SaaS? Thanks,
[Trisquel-users] Re : netinstall; first timer's question
Hi muhammed ;-) You can remove unwanted/duplicate packages with Synaptic package Manager The NetInstall will propose you eitheir a command line installation or a Text-based Installer(like Debian) wiki |> https://trisquel.info/fr/wiki/%EF%BB%BFinstallation-de-trisquel-netinstall-en-mode-texte Noticing that the choice of Desktop Environment is either (Gnome)?..(I am not sure seeing i have allways chosen Mini Environment) or LXDE(Mini) http://trisquel.info/files/25_Trisquel_Netinstall.png Another alternative is Uruk 1.0 which has Maté as default Desktop and is a fork/respin of Trisquel https://uruk.tuxfamily.org/dist/
[Trisquel-users] netinstall; first timer's question
Hi, I installed MATE [1] with Trisquel and noticed that I had a number of duplicate programs (eg. two different file browsers). I can avoid duplicate programs with netinstall + MATE, right? Are there any extra steps necessary for a fully functional desktop with GUI? Will MATE launch automatically when I subsequently turn my computer on? If I use netinstall+MATE, will I still have all the BASH programs (not sure how else to describe these) that I need to fix my computer fans [2] etc? [1] https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/installing-mate [2] https://trisquel.info/en/forum/imac-fans
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel installation - Checking
30 sectors with errors... (sdb)
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Why are you debating with me? I clearly stated what the European Union is doing is silly... they are censoring themselves! xD
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Central America*
Re: [Trisquel-users] Laptop too hot - CPU (almost) always at 100%
Do you only have an NMI Backtrace for CPU 0? My dmesg gives an output with backtrace for 4 CPU cores, some will have 2 (or more). Just do me a favor and check to be sure. Please post them if you have additional backtraces for additional CPU cores. Also another question, do you have KDE installed?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Installation problem of Trisquel 7 on laptop ASUS X554LA
Hi! No, I haven't. Sorry, but how do I set the resolution in grub? Thanks
Re: [Trisquel-users] Sent an Email to GNU.org about these 2 new Libre OS
I think that if it is self-hosted by definition it should have its own repositories if it is building its own packages. Although I think if you wanted a distribution on a shoestring you could make it completely source-based and just specify how things are built, rather like the Gentoo packages. It could still qualify that way.
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Have you evidence to support your statement that Sanders is a communist? He describes his politcial views as democratic socialism which is not the same as communism. You may want to look up the difference. Plus nobody calls Duke a communist either as you say. His views are actually more aligned with the hard right than the hard left.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Laptop too hot - CPU (almost) always at 100%
If anyone else is interested in helping me out, here is the output of the dmesg: [ 6929.704528] NMI backtrace for cpu 0 [ 6929.704533] CPU 0 [ 6929.704536] Modules linked in: bnep rfcomm bluetooth binfmt_misc xfs ip6t_REJECT xt_hl ip6t_rt nf_conntrack_ipv6 nf_defrag_ipv6 ipt_REJECT xt_LOG xt_limit xt_tcpudp xt_addrtype xt_conntrack acer_wmi sparse_keymap ip6table_filter ip6_tables snd_hda_codec_hdmi nf_conntrack_netbios_ns nf_conntrack_broadcast nf_nat_ftp nf_nat nf_conntrack_ipv4 nf_defrag_ipv4 snd_hda_codec_realtek nf_conntrack_ftp nf_conntrack iptable_filter snd_hda_intel snd_hda_codec snd_hwdep ip_tables x_tables snd_pcm uvcvideo videobuf2_vmalloc videobuf2_memops dm_multipath microcode snd_page_alloc videobuf2_core videodev snd_seq_midi snd_seq_midi_event snd_rawmidi snd_seq arc4 k10temp joydev scsi_dh edac_core serio_raw edac_mce_amd snd_seq_device snd_timer snd ath9k soundcore ath9k_common ath9k_hw ath mac80211 cfg80211 sp5100_tco i2c_piix4 shpchp mac_hid parport_pc ppdev lp parport btrfs libcrc32c zlib_deflate xts gf128mul dm_crypt raid10 raid456 async_memcpy async_raid6_recov async_pq async_xor xor async_tx raid6_pq raid1 raid0 multipath linear dm_mirror dm_region_hash dm_log ums_realtek usb_storage radeon psmouse tg3 i2c_algo_bit ttm drm_kms_helper drm video wmi [ 6929.704705] [ 6929.704711] Pid: 3062, comm: bash Not tainted 3.4.112-gnu1 #1 [ 6929.704723] RIP: 0010:[] [] __bitmap_empty+0x4/0x90 [ 6929.704742] RSP: 0018:88007c623e10 EFLAGS: 0096 [ 6929.704747] RAX: RBX: RCX: 0003 [ 6929.704753] RDX: RSI: 0100 RDI: 81cd3660 [ 6929.704759] RBP: 88007c623e28 R08: 013f R09: 000a [ 6929.704765] R10: R11: R12: 81c79fa0 [ 6929.704770] R13: 0286 R14: 0004 R15: [ 6929.704777] FS: 7f5c6315e740() GS:88010fc0() knlGS:f7409700 [ 6929.704784] CS: 0010 DS: ES: CR0: 80050033 [ 6929.704789] CR2: 7f5c627dc000 CR3: 325ca000 CR4: 07f0 [ 6929.704795] DR0: DR1: DR2: [ 6929.704801] DR3: DR6: 0ff0 DR7: 0400 [ 6929.704807] Process bash (pid: 3062, threadinfo 88007c622000, task 8800b2ce8000) [ 6929.704812] Stack: [ 6929.704816] 81034d26 006c 88007c623e38 [ 6929.704825] 813e110e 88007c623e78 813e14f9 000d718c45e3 [ 6929.704833] 0002 fffb 8800cf2d7d00 813e1560 [ 6929.704842] Call Trace: [ 6929.704854] [] ? arch_trigger_all_cpu_backtrace+0x86/0xa0 [ 6929.704866] [] sysrq_handle_showallcpus+0xe/0x10 [ 6929.704875] [] __handle_sysrq+0x129/0x190 [ 6929.704884] [] ? __handle_sysrq+0x190/0x190 [ 6929.704893] [] write_sysrq_trigger+0x4a/0x50 [ 6929.704902] [] proc_reg_write+0x84/0xc0 [ 6929.704911] [] vfs_write+0xc8/0x190 [ 6929.704918] [] sys_write+0x51/0x90 [ 6929.704928] [] system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b [ 6929.704932] Code: 89 45 f0 48 89 45 b8 48 8d 45 d0 4c 89 4d f8 c7 45 b0 10 00 00 00 48 89 45 c0 e8 38 ff ff ff c9 c3 90 90 90 90 90 90 44 8d 46 3f f6 55 44 0f 49 c6 31 d2 48 89 e5 41 c1 f8 06 45 85 c0 7e 24 [ 6929.704998] Call Trace: [ 6929.705005] [] ? arch_trigger_all_cpu_backtrace+0x86/0xa0 [ 6929.705015] [] sysrq_handle_showallcpus+0xe/0x10 [ 6929.705023] [] __handle_sysrq+0x129/0x190 [ 6929.705032] [] ? __handle_sysrq+0x190/0x190 [ 6929.705040] [] write_sysrq_trigger+0x4a/0x50 [ 6929.705048] [] proc_reg_write+0x84/0xc0 [ 6929.705055] [] vfs_write+0xc8/0x190 [ 6929.705062] [] sys_write+0x51/0x90 [ 6929.705070] [] system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us
Let's look at this from a different angle: Just because a private property is located on and accessible from a public road, doesn't mean you can enter that property. If you enter that property, that does not mean that you are free to do as you please. It is still private property. For example, the entrance to my home can be accessed from a public road. If I let you in my house and say, "You can stay as long as you are civil", then you better be civil or you can leave (actually, if you are so 'uncivil' to the point of hate speech--you might not be able to leave my house; OK OK, you'll leave...but in a pine box!) Apply this to private websites that can be reached from public roads (the internet). You do not have to join those websites by signing up and making a promise to abide by their rules. If you do, however, why are you surprised they will exercise control of their own property and enforce the agreement you signed. Incidentally, and this is really germane to this entire thread, here is a relevant part of the agreement we all signed in order to be able to post on these threads: Respect among community members Discrimination -- Do not discriminate against people based on age, gender, sex, sexual orientation, disability, religion, ideology, ideas, social class, nationality, race, intelligence, or any analogous grounds. Profanity -- Do not curse or use hard language here. Social norms differ from place to place; hard language can deter people from our community. Incivility -- Do not insult others here. Disagree and challenge ideas instead. Code of conduct The forum / mailing lists exist to foster the development and use of Trisquel. Non-constructive or off-topic messages, along with other abuses, are not welcome. Do not send spam. Send all of your post / e-mails in English. Only use other languages on forum / mailing lists where that is explicitly allowed. Avoid sending large attachments. Try not to flame; it is not polite. Use common sense all the time. These parts are decisive: Profanity -- Do not curse or use hard language here. Social norms differ from place to place; hard language can deter people from our community. Incivility -- Do not insult others here. Disagree and challenge ideas instead. Based on the following, you might be able to argue that this thread should exist in the Troll Hole. One can make a stronger argument that it shouldn't exist in these forums at all:
Re: [Trisquel-users] Laptop too hot - CPU (almost) always at 100%
Here, I think this is it. The problem is happening right now, and again, I had left it for about an half an hour. When I got back the CPU was at 100% and after I entered my password again (to unlock the OS) and ran the commands you posted, here is the output: [ 6929.704528] NMI backtrace for cpu 0 [ 6929.704533] CPU 0 [ 6929.704536] Modules linked in: bnep rfcomm bluetooth binfmt_misc xfs ip6t_REJECT xt_hl ip6t_rt nf_conntrack_ipv6 nf_defrag_ipv6 ipt_REJECT xt_LOG xt_limit xt_tcpudp xt_addrtype xt_conntrack acer_wmi sparse_keymap ip6table_filter ip6_tables snd_hda_codec_hdmi nf_conntrack_netbios_ns nf_conntrack_broadcast nf_nat_ftp nf_nat nf_conntrack_ipv4 nf_defrag_ipv4 snd_hda_codec_realtek nf_conntrack_ftp nf_conntrack iptable_filter snd_hda_intel snd_hda_codec snd_hwdep ip_tables x_tables snd_pcm uvcvideo videobuf2_vmalloc videobuf2_memops dm_multipath microcode snd_page_alloc videobuf2_core videodev snd_seq_midi snd_seq_midi_event snd_rawmidi snd_seq arc4 k10temp joydev scsi_dh edac_core serio_raw edac_mce_amd snd_seq_device snd_timer snd ath9k soundcore ath9k_common ath9k_hw ath mac80211 cfg80211 sp5100_tco i2c_piix4 shpchp mac_hid parport_pc ppdev lp parport btrfs libcrc32c zlib_deflate xts gf128mul dm_crypt raid10 raid456 async_memcpy async_raid6_recov async_pq async_xor xor async_tx raid6_pq raid1 raid0 multipath linear dm_mirror dm_region_hash dm_log ums_realtek usb_storage radeon psmouse tg3 i2c_algo_bit ttm drm_kms_helper drm video wmi [ 6929.704705] [ 6929.704711] Pid: 3062, comm: bash Not tainted 3.4.112-gnu1 #1 [ 6929.704723] RIP: 0010:[] [] __bitmap_empty+0x4/0x90 [ 6929.704742] RSP: 0018:88007c623e10 EFLAGS: 0096 [ 6929.704747] RAX: RBX: RCX: 0003 [ 6929.704753] RDX: RSI: 0100 RDI: 81cd3660 [ 6929.704759] RBP: 88007c623e28 R08: 013f R09: 000a [ 6929.704765] R10: R11: R12: 81c79fa0 [ 6929.704770] R13: 0286 R14: 0004 R15: [ 6929.704777] FS: 7f5c6315e740() GS:88010fc0() knlGS:f7409700 [ 6929.704784] CS: 0010 DS: ES: CR0: 80050033 [ 6929.704789] CR2: 7f5c627dc000 CR3: 325ca000 CR4: 07f0 [ 6929.704795] DR0: DR1: DR2: [ 6929.704801] DR3: DR6: 0ff0 DR7: 0400 [ 6929.704807] Process bash (pid: 3062, threadinfo 88007c622000, task 8800b2ce8000) [ 6929.704812] Stack: [ 6929.704816] 81034d26 006c 88007c623e38 [ 6929.704825] 813e110e 88007c623e78 813e14f9 000d718c45e3 [ 6929.704833] 0002 fffb 8800cf2d7d00 813e1560 [ 6929.704842] Call Trace: [ 6929.704854] [] ? arch_trigger_all_cpu_backtrace+0x86/0xa0 [ 6929.704866] [] sysrq_handle_showallcpus+0xe/0x10 [ 6929.704875] [] __handle_sysrq+0x129/0x190 [ 6929.704884] [] ? __handle_sysrq+0x190/0x190 [ 6929.704893] [] write_sysrq_trigger+0x4a/0x50 [ 6929.704902] [] proc_reg_write+0x84/0xc0 [ 6929.704911] [] vfs_write+0xc8/0x190 [ 6929.704918] [] sys_write+0x51/0x90 [ 6929.704928] [] system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b [ 6929.704932] Code: 89 45 f0 48 89 45 b8 48 8d 45 d0 4c 89 4d f8 c7 45 b0 10 00 00 00 48 89 45 c0 e8 38 ff ff ff c9 c3 90 90 90 90 90 90 44 8d 46 3f f6 55 44 0f 49 c6 31 d2 48 89 e5 41 c1 f8 06 45 85 c0 7e 24 [ 6929.704998] Call Trace: [ 6929.705005] [] ? arch_trigger_all_cpu_backtrace+0x86/0xa0 [ 6929.705015] [] sysrq_handle_showallcpus+0xe/0x10 [ 6929.705023] [] __handle_sysrq+0x129/0x190 [ 6929.705032] [] ? __handle_sysrq+0x190/0x190 [ 6929.705040] [] write_sysrq_trigger+0x4a/0x50 [ 6929.705048] [] proc_reg_write+0x84/0xc0 [ 6929.705055] [] vfs_write+0xc8/0x190 [ 6929.705062] [] sys_write+0x51/0x90 [ 6929.705070] [] system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b I don't see why this is happening, since there is nothing appearing "repeated".
Re: [Trisquel-users] Sent an Email to GNU.org about these 2 new Libre OS
C'est exact Monsieur Root ;-) Self hosted It's own repositories (?) & packages
Re: [Trisquel-users] Windows 7 and 8 users are starting to disable Windows Update entirely. Yikes.
Google is also getting behind Vulkan for Android which could help adoption. I believe Unreal Engine 4.12 now supports Vulkan for Android. It's too bad that Android got support before GNU/Linux and Windows.
[Trisquel-users] Re : EU: All your internet are belong to us
My opinions (if anybody cares): No *speech* should ever be outlawed (what ultimately makes disgusting speech stronger with the argument: "we are right; that is why they censor us") in the public space, Internet included: anyone should be allowed to write/say whatever (s)he wants on his/her *own* site/newspaper/radio or TV channel/etc.; Google/Facebook/Twitter/etc. can apply, on *their* sites, any rule they want; If those rules involve editing/removing content, then Google/Facebook/Twitter/etc. should be considered "editors" and be held responsible of anything written on their sites (like newspapers' editors); No law should ever apply to a specific set of corporations (doing so - but does it? - the EU implies that Google/Facebook/Twitter/etc. are the whole Web and that they are in charge of its governance);
Re: [Trisquel-users] Sent an Email to GNU.org about these 2 new Libre OS
Yep, and that's not until their problems are fixed: Last time it was evaluated the installer doesn't actually install LibertyBSD. It installs OpenBSD instead! http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2016-02/msg1.html has a link to a screenshot. They replied saying they'd fix it: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2016-02/msg3.html But that was February and we're now in June. I'm not sure how that fits in with the FSF's criteria of having a "commitment to correct mistakes"...
Re: [Trisquel-users] Which is your favorite search engine and why?
La Quadrature du Net! Merci beaucoup!
Re: [Trisquel-users] When will Trisquel 8.0 (Flidas) release?
20/16/10
Re: [Trisquel-users] Which is your favorite search engine and why?
http://searchb5a7tmimez.onion/
