[tslug] Re: Good Distros...
Actually, Debian sarge is probably a good choice as well. The base packages are frozen and they are working on a new stable release (of sarge) for the sometime this fall so the fact that you are running testing shouldn't mean instability. As with gentoo, I have a local mirror that you can use, and you don't have to compile all of your packages. At Truman, it's probably the fastest install you can get. Don -- Don Bindner [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] the LUG's new name
Hey everyone, What will TSLUG's new official name be, now that the University says no student organization can begin it's name with Truman State...? Jason E. Miller, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Mathematics Truman State University Kirksville, MO http://pyrite.truman.edu/millerj/ 660.785.7430 - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
Heh, how about TSLUG and it just not be an acronym? ;-) On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 01:31:29PM -0500, Jason Miller wrote: Hey everyone, What will TSLUG's new official name be, now that the University says no student organization can begin it's name with Truman State...? Jason E. Miller, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Mathematics Truman State University Kirksville, MO http://pyrite.truman.edu/millerj/ 660.785.7430 - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe - - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
Jason Miller wrote: Hey everyone, What will TSLUG's new official name be, now that the University says no student organization can begin it's name with Truman State...? This was brought up at yesterday's meeting, and while we bandied about such names as !TSLUG and similar jokes, the final decision was to not make one at the moment. I beleive that Dr Bindner and Alex are looking into the exact details of the policy change, and once they've got a handle on it, a call for nominations for new names will be issued. Once a few have come in, an email based (I believe) vote will be conducted. -- Peter Snoblin - http://entropicaccess.net/ - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
I nominate KLUG. Raul - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
Because there are a couple changes to make regarding *SLUG there is a ballot coming up. You guys will have the chance to decide upon the new name for TSLUG and we are making the election of the new president easier that way too... ** some more feedback for the new TSLUG name would be cool. ** send in your nominations... alex Peter Snoblin wrote: Jason Miller wrote: Hey everyone, What will TSLUG's new official name be, now that the University says no student organization can begin it's name with Truman State...? This was brought up at yesterday's meeting, and while we bandied about such names as !TSLUG and similar jokes, the final decision was to not make one at the moment. I beleive that Dr Bindner and Alex are looking into the exact details of the policy change, and once they've got a handle on it, a call for nominations for new names will be issued. Once a few have come in, an email based (I believe) vote will be conducted. -- Peter Snoblin - http://entropicaccess.net/ - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe - - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
Donald J Bindner wrote: Nominations and seconds will be accepted on the mailing list from now until Monday afternoon at 5pm (September 6). On Monday evening, I will draft a ballot of eligible entries and post it to the list. One question to ask about the new name is, do we want to retain Linux in our name? I ask for two reasons. First, we've gotten flack from certain people (coughRMScough) about not being GNU/Linux. Secondly, it seems to me that Linux isn't our soul focus. We range the whole gambit of computer related topics, with a large focus on UNIX and UNIX-like operating systems (or POSIX or whatever the term de jour is) as well as Free software (or FOSS or FLOSS, again take your pic of terms ;-) ). It might be a good idea to take these ideas into account. Towards that end, I'd like to nominate one idea that came up last night (and I appologize to whomever floated the idea for not crediting him, I simply can't remember who it was): FSA, the Free Software Association. -- Peter Snoblin - http://entropicaccess.net/ - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
I'm not necessarily making a suggestion (yet), but since we are changing the name, is there signifigant opposition to getting rid of the Linux name? Stallman wouldn't hate us anymore. I mean, *LUG just sounds slow lazy and fat. All jokes aside, that's not an image I'd like to be associated with. Maybe something like the Kirksville Association for Free Software (KAFS), or Free Software Users (FSU). ~Mike - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Lawn mowing.
If you would like to earn money to buy computer equipment, I could use someone to mow my lawn. You don't even have to push. Don -- Don Bindner [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
Hi, I'm not a voting member, but I think it would be a great idea to move toward a name that mentions Free Software. I like KAFS because it suggests caffein, which I've always associated with installing Linux. Scott Thatcher On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:28:38PM -0500, Mike Goodspeed wrote: I'm not necessarily making a suggestion (yet), but since we are changing the name, is there signifigant opposition to getting rid of the Linux name? Stallman wouldn't hate us anymore. I mean, *LUG just sounds slow lazy and fat. All jokes aside, that's not an image I'd like to be associated with. Maybe something like the Kirksville Association for Free Software (KAFS), or Free Software Users (FSU). ~Mike - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe - -- Scott Thatcher Assistant Professor of Mathematics Truman State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
Supporters Of Freedom-Advocating Software (SOFAS) Free Software Club in Kirksville (FSCK -- now that's beautiful) This would go great on a T-shirt...as long as the new name is an acronym... s/TSLUG/new_name/gi And here is an ascii smiley face...for no reason. # o o | \___/ -- --- Ross Day ITS Web Integration VP, Truman ACM/IEEE 660.785.5218 660.785.4414 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 05:38:40PM -0500, Ross Day wrote: Supporters Of Freedom-Advocating Software (SOFAS) Free Software Club in Kirksville (FSCK -- now that's beautiful) FSCK really is beautiful. I will personally add a second to that. Don -- Don Bindner [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
I haven't posted in quite a while, but this looked interesting. I agree that it might also be a good time to address the Linux part of the name since you have to change it any way. I go to Iowa State now and the group here has decided to be called AmesFUG, with FUG standing for Free Unix Group. Of course, this solution also poses problems since GNU's NOT Unix! ;-) However if you are wanting to broaden the focus of the group to include *BSD, some variation of this might be a good choice. A path might also be an interesting choice, for example, /bin/klug. Also something that sounds like a name might be amusing the Kirk V. Fug, which could then optionally be shortened to something like KVF(UG)?. --Brandon - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
FSCK is a colossally good idea. i - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
FSCK is a colossally good idea. In fact, it's such a colossally good idea that Ross should get a free T-shirt for suggesting it, even if it's not the winner. -- Jon Beck, PhD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Assoc Professor, Computer Science 2162 Violette Hall Truman State University 660.785.7233 Kirksville, MO 63501 http://vh216202.truman.edu/ - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
I like the KAFS name and as much as we deal with free software, the group also deals with commercial software at times. Why restrict the group by the name. Look at the members. Most are into alternative systems most of which are not Microsoft systems. Most use freely available downloaded operating systems and applications. Some purchase some or all of the systems. The common thread is that we have control of our systems, we learn how it works and we grow as our systems expands. I don't have a suggestion for a name at this point. As it has been said, using the name Linux in the name will restrict the group and I also believe that using Free Software in the group will be just as limiting. And finally, what prevents a Windows user from coming and learning even if he/she still wants to use Windows? I think what you have here is a group of Kirksville areas computer enthusiasts with a common goal to have their computers do more that he average person. Hey, maybe I have a suggestion, KACE. Bob Ackerman Scott Thatcher wrote: Hi, I'm not a voting member, but I think it would be a great idea to move toward a name that mentions Free Software. I like KAFS because it suggests caffein, which I've always associated with installing Linux. Scott Thatcher On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:28:38PM -0500, Mike Goodspeed wrote: I'm not necessarily making a suggestion (yet), but since we are changing the name, is there signifigant opposition to getting rid of the Linux name? Stallman wouldn't hate us anymore. I mean, *LUG just sounds slow lazy and fat. All jokes aside, that's not an image I'd like to be associated with. Maybe something like the Kirksville Association for Free Software (KAFS), or Free Software Users (FSU). ~Mike - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe - - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
Donald J Bindner wrote: On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 05:38:40PM -0500, Ross Day wrote: Supporters Of Freedom-Advocating Software (SOFAS) Free Software Club in Kirksville (FSCK -- now that's beautiful) FSCK really is beautiful. I will personally add a second to that. Don I think my new nickname should be token, because I am just playing the minority opinion here in !TSLUG (cough Fedora cough). While FSCK obviously means something to us who understand Linux, and it makes a great joke and probably an even better t-shirt, I think the name is a HORRIBLE idea for our group. First, how do we pronounce it? There's a fsssk meeting tonight at 6:30. We're having a fk InstallFest this weekend!. Acronyms are supposed to be catchy and easy to remember. Most people won't be able to pronounce it. It's no SMaCS, TWiCS, CRU, or even BSU, CGA, or TSU. It lacks, um, vowels. Second, FSCK is a gigantic in-joke. Even if we have little chance of bringing in people who are in the know, doesn't this joke seem a little elitist? We aren't going to bring in new members by preaching to the ultra-geek crowd. That's what I really love about InstallFest. Normal people interested in Linux! Third, despite the possible head turns at sidewalk chalk time, let's call a spade a spade -- people are going to read this as fuck. Is that something you want yourself associated with at an academic level? Dr. Beck? Dr. Bindner? Can you see your name on a poster next to a word 30% of the people will at-first-glance perceive to be a curse word? Not me. Last, and my main sticky point. When I start applying for jobs from lame MSCEs and way-too-high-level MBAs who don't know grep from their own grip, how am I supposed to explain that the Free Sofw- eh, Linux group I put on my resume was named fk? Oh, wow. It kind of looks like ANOTHER word. Uh, yeah. It's kind of an inside joke. It stands for Free Software Club in Kirksville, but it is also the name of the Linux file-system check tool. Yeah, I know. I'd rather we picked something a little more professional. We've got some great minds, and I'm sure we can find something just as creative and yet appropriate. No offense, Ross. Or maybe I've just had a bad day. ~Mike - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
Peter Snoblin wrote: Mike Goodspeed wrote (Thursday 02 September 2004 9:46 pm): While FSCK obviously means something to us who understand Linux, and it makes a great joke and probably an even better t-shirt, I think the name is a HORRIBLE idea for our group. snip a lot of good reasoning I'm going to have to chime in with a second to that. I'd add my rationale, but Mike did an excellent job of covering all the reasons. The club could be called Free Software Club for short...which is a perfectly legitimate and professional name... It's just as good as the FSA suggestion... Ross - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
1. it's pronounced something like F.S.-check, as in, there's an F S check meeting tonight, and man it has a cool name. as for lacking vowels, a lot of abbreviations and organizations do fine without: BBB, PBK, PKP, and even student senate with the dreaded SS. 2. FSCK is a great name and i was never much into the in-joke. it gets points because it's an actual command, and a fairly serious one when failed. 3. one can't claim that the name is terrible because it lacks a vowel while simultaneously lamenting that people will interpret a consonant 'S' as some other vowel. pick one or the other. as for it potentially being misconstrued as profanity, well, we're all big kids now and i don't think the world will end. i'll put my name up next to it any day of any week with a campus size of 10 or 10,000. 4. abbreviations don't go on resumes, because it's lazy and not everyone knows every shortening. that's why we, as big kids now, put down things like Association of Computing Machinery and Free Software Club in Kirksville (or if you're into brevity, Free Software Club). i - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
Mike Goodspeed wrote: First, how do we pronounce it? There's a fsssk meeting tonight at 6:30. We're having a fk InstallFest this weekend!. Acronyms are supposed to be catchy and easy to remember. Most people won't be able to pronounce it. It's no SMaCS, TWiCS, CRU, or even BSU, CGA, or TSU. It lacks, um, vowels. As I said in response to Peter, the club could be called Free Software Club for short...which is a prefectly good and scope-of-the-organization-capturing name. Second, FSCK is a gigantic in-joke. Even if we have little chance of bringing in people who are in the know, doesn't this joke seem a little elitist? We aren't going to bring in new members by preaching to the ultra-geek crowd. That's what I really love about InstallFest. Normal people interested in Linux! Since s many normal people understood what TSLUG meant even if they saw what the acronym stood for. The expanded Free Software Club in Kirksville stands a way better chance of bringing in Joe User than Truman State Linux Users Group which may not even sound like a computer-related club to a large large large number of people. Third, despite the possible head turns at sidewalk chalk time, let's call a spade a spade -- people are going to read this as fuck. Is that something you want yourself associated with at an academic level? Dr. Beck? Dr. Bindner? Can you see your name on a poster next to a word 30% of the people will at-first-glance perceive to be a curse word? Not me. IIRC, head turning is _exactly_ what you want...most organizations go through a big hassle of making fancy graphics and colors and whatnot to draw attention to their poster. Most people would , as you say, instantly have to take a second look at the poster...and thus would look at it for longer than the casual glance. This means people might actually read it and might actually become interested in whatever that sign was advertising. Last, and my main sticky point. When I start applying for jobs from lame MSCEs and way-too-high-level MBAs who don't know grep from their own grip, how am I supposed to explain that the Free Sofw- eh, Linux group I put on my resume was named fk? Oh, wow. It kind of looks like ANOTHER word. Uh, yeah. It's kind of an inside joke. It stands for Free Software Club in Kirksville, but it is also the name of the Linux file-system check tool. Yeah, I know. As with all other local groups, you would never put just the acronym on your resume' since no one could be expected to know what they are. Sure, you can put just ACM or just IEEE since those are nationally-based and well-known organizations (within our field). As for the local ones, I personally think having Free Software Club in Kirksville on your resume' looks at least as good as if not better than Truman State Linux Users Group. I'd rather we picked something a little more professional. We've got some great minds, and I'm sure we can find something just as creative and yet appropriate. I would normally agree, but I actually do legitimately feel that the name could be used as both a professional front in its expanded form and as a catchy slogan and whatnot as the acronym. No offense, Ross. None taken of course... Or maybe I've just had a bad day. Welcome to a new semester. :-/ -- --- Ross Day ITS Web Integration VP, Truman ACM/IEEE 660.785.5218 660.785.4414 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 10:37:25PM -0500, Peter Snoblin wrote: iosif wrote (Thursday 02 September 2004 10:12 pm): 1. it's pronounced something like F.S.-check, as in, there's an F S check meeting tonight, and man it has a cool name. as for lacking vowels, a lot of abbreviations and organizations do fine without: BBB, PBK, PKP, and even student senate with the dreaded SS. Well, from everything I've seen/heard most people do actually say it fsssk. Sure, it stands for the File System Checker, but why say something long like FS-Check when fsssk is so much faster. Also, most, if not all, of the examples you give are spelled out when said, eg. Bee Bee Bee, Pee Bee Kay, c. Eff Ess Cee Kay just don't have a good ring to it, or so it seems to me. Actually, as I understood it, the pronunciation was eff-sock. A bit of Googling would seem to put that in the minority though. I told my wife about the name when I read it on the list. Her non-geek opinion was that it was pretty funny and that it serves Truman right for being so weird about the name thing. To her credit she has seen many an fsck during boot, so some of the humer was apparent to her. However, the name will last a lot longer than any nose-thumbing about the name change, so let the merit or de-merit of the name itself be the deciding criterion. As for having my name on a poster with FSCK... Doesn't bother me a bit. Other faculty will have to decide their own opinions of course. It's a great name for a server too. -- Don Bindner [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
the eff-sock pronunciation brings it back down to 2 for the syllabically ephemerous, on par with the efficiency of a spoken TSLUG. i - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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iosif wrote: the eff-sock pronunciation brings it back down to 2 for the syllabically ephemerous, on par with the efficiency of a spoken TSLUG. Not to mention how beautiful it would be once we all started to eff-sock as a verb. :p Tired of Windows crashing? Want to know more about Linux? Eff-sock it! R.Day - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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iosif wrote (Thursday 02 September 2004 11:15 pm): 2. for those who don't get the principle: Phi Sigma Pi, often abbreviated (in both writing and the spoken language) PSP, Pan-Hellenic Council is shortened to NPC, and the Public Broadcasting Service and National Broadcasting Company are of course PBS and NBC. no vowels. they're fine. where did this fixation on vowels spring up? For those who miss the point, by spelling it out, vowels are INTRODUCED. pEE ess pEE. en pEE cEE. pEE bEE ess. en bEE cEE. Now do you see? Additionally, this fixation on vowels comes from being an English speaker. Nt hvng thm mks thngs bt hrd t ndrstnd, ys? 3. those who don't know what the FSCK means will in about 10 seconds, after which they will have *learned something*. The fallacy here revolves around the people who will never see an explanation. Unless you want to put something like this on every thing that bears FSCK: * File System Checker, a well known UNIX/UNIX like Operating System tool. A bit awkward, yes? 4. sorry if FSCK is somehow a detriment to anyone's image. *shrug* To each, his own. As I clearly said, that was just my personal feeling on a name that quickly calls profanity to mind. 5. this resume nonsense has got to stop. Free Software Club in Kirksville, even abbreviated (which should never ever happen on a resume anyway) FSCK, is not some sine qua non for failing to get a job, even in a magical contingency world of horrors. I didn't say OMGWTF You won't get a job if we make the name FSCK!!!11 Just trying to draw a fairly realistic scenario in which the name could be seen as a detriment. 6. FSA is already taken: Federal Student Aid, Farm Security/Service Administration/Agency, Finite State Automaton...KAFS is better but without the media-genic charm and all the aesthetics of a soviet worker housing block. KLUG has something going for it, but still leaves the whole linux/gnu issue in place. FSCK is the most beautiful in solving all these problems. You forgot Fabless Semiconductor Association. And Full Speed Ahead. And The Financial Services Authority. And Food Standards Agency. But, I'm really failing to see what FSA has to do with this. I'm not saying N Don't pick FSCK! Then the option that I nominated can't win! OH NOEZ! I'm just saying that there are some serious concerns about the name that need to be addressed. However, I'll still take the opertunity to say, So what? to your FSA points. It's not like we have anything to do with agriculture or student aid. Or fabless semiconductors. Et cetera. I have to confess I don't really see anything communist or soviet about KAFS, but, *shrugs.* I'll give you, FSCK is a good name, in a lot of regards. Its catchy, it means something, and all the other things that have been pointed out. But at the same time, it introduces a lot of potential problems. Sorry if I'm coming off a bit abbrasively. It's late, I'm tired. And I'm trying hard to not react to what seems to me, at least, to be a fairly confrontational tone... -- Peter Snoblin - http://entropicaccess.net/ - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] Re: the LUG's new name
Peter Snoblin wrote: The fallacy here revolves around the people who will never see an explanation. Unless you want to put something like this on every thing that bears FSCK: * File System Checker, a well known UNIX/UNIX like Operating System tool. A bit awkward, yes? IMHO, TSLUG posters have always had this problem. So many would see them and have no clue what Linux meant or any of the distro names that were on the poster, so it's the same problem...yet TSLUG posters didn't have a Linux is an alternative operating system...blah blah blah... Sorry if I'm coming off a bit abbrasively. It's late, I'm tired. And I'm trying hard to not react to what seems to me, at least, to be a fairly confrontational tone... Tired at 11:59pm...it's prime-time for the TSLUG list! -- --- Ross Day ITS Web Integration VP, Truman ACM/IEEE 660.785.5218 660.785.4414 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
[tslug] a penny
So I leave my computer for a couple hours, return to what appears to be the quickest pile olf emails in my box in recent history...and very few had ladies names in the return field. I feel as if I should do a quick--albeit somewhat uninformed--input. To be fair and upfront, I am somewhat of a novice Linux user. I have Suse and RedHat, but most of my time is spent in front of a Windows box (call me what you will). I like the FSCK idea, and I've always been one for putting on a professional, clean, and straight-laced front. Despite this, I think the irony, edginess, and perhaps even shock value of the name to those who may not understand is no more offensive to me than the politically correct names of some organizations on this campus. After all, it's now what they call you, it's what you stand for. I think that some healthy discussion will iron out what may be considered acceptable, and I hope that everything remains on a civil and respectful plane while doing so. With that in mind, make time and come to the meetings. Input in person can be just as meaningful. Clarke - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
