Re: [videoblogging] Re: Looking for a video podcast hostess
Streaming Beer.. Beercasting if you will.. starting RD now. C'mere, Mr Corona. Ron Watson wrote: *snip* Now, I'm not sure if it's the beer or the girl, but if I were running a golf show, you can bet I would be looking for an attractive host. I would be racking my brain to figure out how to deliver streaming beer over a T1. *snip* -- Brad Webb, Founder/CTO vSocial (http://www.vsocial.com) 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (480) 967-9543 - Direct Line (480) 967-9575 - Fax SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Sick of the sexism/looking for a ........
Charles HOPE wrote: Paul Knight wrote: Men are very base creatures at the best of times and there is no way to control them, and every so often men make comments on Breasts etc, you never hear a woman doing a Knob joke, now do you? That is one of the many reasons why women are better than men, but please, you can't change everyone. We may disagree over sexism but at least we can all agree on the universal abomination of men. Yes, clearly. Overbroad comments and beliefs about women are sexism, but the same parallel with men is just.. reality. Whether or not you *meant* that, Charles, that attitude -- which is prevalent during this thread -- is EXACTLY why I refuse to get into this any further. This conversation has officially moved into stupid mode. I'm going to go put on my tinfoil hat now. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?
Even an opt-in system has no real checks and balances for ensuring the owner of the feed is signing it up... this is why I never implemented this functionality. It just seemed like a bad idea waiting to happen. Michael Verdi wrote: Benefits of the system (hosting, rss, flash, etc) aside, this is the part that is total crap. It should be an opt-in system not an opt-out. That's inexcusable. -Verdi On 4/7/06, * Halcyon Lujah* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE EXCLUDED from their search and system, just send them an email. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. They are aware that not everyone wants to be included and will remove you immediately. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Fireantw2=Individualw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hfs_5_0lBhh4r_ghxepr0w Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Fireantw2=Individualw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=GUaJZU-r1JDlLAUOsMLl8g Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Fireantw2=Individualw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=LXDZ5r7JrGSXuirwFdbEXw YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Brad Webb, Founder/CTO vSocial (http://www.vsocial.com) 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (480) 967-9543 - Direct Line (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?
Devlon, The big difference here is.. YouTube didn't directly and specifically upload the content -- or create a specific system to scour for and grab that content. From what I can tell, Veoh did just that, no? My users breaking a license and me knowingly doing the same thing... big difference, and not in a positive way. Devlon wrote: On 4/7/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/7/06, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eh. It seems to me that an infringe first, remove later policy isn't really a good one. +1. Especially if infringing was so unnecessary. I am actually talking to my laywer about this. Good, like I said, someone needs their hands slapped very publicly to send a message. NBC gets all over YouTube for the same thing. We have the same rights. Peter -- http://mefeedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- ~Devlon http://loadedpun.com | http://mefeedia.com http://8bitme.blogspot.com | http://devlonduthie.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Brad Webb, Founder/CTO vSocial (http://www.vsocial.com) 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (480) 967-9543 - Direct Line (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Veoh transcoding feeds?
Charles, I can, personally, completely accept a user not quite understanding the intricacies of Copyright, Creative Commons and Netiquette/Ethics. However, what I cannot understand or accept is a well-funded (with, presuming, a legal team/staff) commercial entity doing the same thing. If this was some podunk website that didn't get what this was all about, then sure, no problem. However, the Veoh folks dipped their toe in this community months ago, so they know this place and people exist. To then knowingly go back and allow this to happen... I mean.. c'mon. If 50 rocketboom episodes appeared on vSocial right now, I'd probably be emailing and phoning Andrew right now to find out what was going on. Same with Verdi. Or any of you folks. I would expect the Blip folks, or anyone else who believes in more than just the big buck that's a part of this community, would do exactly the same thing. Nevermind if I actually wrote a system to scrape them. I'm very personally troubled by this whole thing. BIG FAT DISCLAIMER -- This specific email is my PERSONAL opinion and in no way reflects any company stance of anyone I may work for/with/etc. Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Hello, I know many people probably won't like hearing this, but I don't know if it is possible to have people subscribe to your feed and not have other site's aggregate and redistribute your feed without your control. (And let me point out that I am NOT trying to justify any of this. I'm just trying to explain current attitudes with members of Internet society.) To many many many people, if you create an RSS or Atom people, then you are implicitly giving people permission to do all sort of things with it. It's the way things have been for a very very long time. And this permission included aggregating and redistributing. (And I know many people don't like this. But I'm NOT trying to justify this. I'm only trying to explain the attitude of current Internet society.) This is akin to someone creating a website, posting the URL to the website in public places. And then complaining when people bookmark their site. Or post their own URLs to the site. (Again, let me point out that I am NOT trying to justify any of this. I'm just trying to explain current attitudes with Internet society.) Now granted, they should be talking about where the content came from. They can even use standard HTML elements to do this with: cite, blockquote, q, and a. (Or they could use other semantic HTML.) See ya On 4/7/06, *Anne Walk* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Josh. While searching for sites for testinggrounds.loadedpun.com http://testinggrounds.loadedpun.com, I've found tons of vlogs listed in a great number of sites. They do, indeed, pick up media feeds and list them. Check out Blinkx, for example. I bet you're in there. It's a very strange feeling to go to a community site and find your listings. These places usually have a way to get out of the listings if you find your stuff, but they have no way to prevent you from getting in there in the first place. On 4/7/06, *Josh Leo* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked at the watch tab on veoh and noticed a bunch of vlogger's videos (including Bre, Markus, and Rocketboom) on the page. Markus didnt know anything about it, and I highly doubt Rocketboom submuts their content to Veoh to be transcoded into flash and hosted there... what is the deal? are they scraping feeds then transcoding and hosting videos without permission? -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca http://reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com http://gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Spoke with Veoh CEO ** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?
How about only including feeds that have CC info that allow them to aggregate? Guess what, no CC means it needs to be presumed that it's Copyright which means they need permission. I don't understand this mentality? Can someone clear out my big-dumb-canadianness so I can get it? Halcyon Lujah wrote: Just talked with Dmitry @ Veoh (he posted his phone here a while back). He is on the road and apologizes for all the ill-will. He will chime in when he is back online, but asked me to pass on to those concerend about their feeds on Veoh: 1) short term, email the name of your feed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] to be removed. 2) they are implementing the automated attribution link as we speak. (no need to claim your feed) 3) they are working on ways to exclude feeds based on CC info. But they are totally to feedback and suggestions and changes. -Halcyon www.spreadingthepink.com http://www.spreadingthepink.com www.veoh.com/vlogs/cockyvision http://www.veoh.com/vlogs/cockyvision YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?
There is a huge and distinct line between My user did X and We created a systematic way of doing X -- I can live with the former, but I'm EXTRODINARILY unhappy about the latter. Charles Hope wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, The problem with that is that there is NO requirement for machines/software to understand or obey the license. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. So OK, it's not the responsibility of the computers themselves, but their human operators. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?
Thanks, Mike. I'm sure we're all waiting to get this dealt with. mikehudack wrote: Hey guys, I just got off the phone with Dmitri Shapiro, the CEO of Veoh. I tracked him down (thanks to a few great people) to discuss this situation because it seems like much of the video Veoh has been collecting comes from blip.tv -- and a lot of our users have asked us to do something about it. Dmitri has just joined the group and will send an e-mail shortly that will hopefully start us down the road to resolving this situation. Yours, Mike Co-founder, blip.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me put it this way. Imagine you are starting an online video company (isn't everyone these days?). Is it ok to take all YouTube's feeds, download all the videos in there, transcode them and host them on your own site? No. Is it ok to take all Google video's feeds, download all the videos in there, transcode them and host them on your own site? No. Is it ok to take individual videobloggers' feeds, download all the videos in there, transcode them and host them on your own site? No. Except if their license were to allow that quite explicitly. You'd be crazy to do that. Peter On 4/7/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/7/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I know many people probably won't like hearing this, but I don't know if it is possible to have people subscribe to your feed and not have other site's aggregate and redistribute your feed without your control. Ahem. Charles, you seem to misunderstand the situation here. A feed with video enclosures implies this: - yes, you can download those videos to watch them. - yes, you can (like Bloglines) aggregate the text, linking back to the original. - no, you can NOT download the video, transcode it, and host it on *your* commercial website. I think that's fairly clearcut. Peter Yahoo! Groups Links -- Brad Webb, Founder/CTO vSocial (http://www.vsocial.com) 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (480) 967-9543 - Direct Line (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] http://youare.tv/
The irrevocable, transferable bits jumped out at me.. maybe that's just because we don't have those, tho =) robert a/k/a r wrote: the terms look generic, not unlike the other hosting services. anything jump out at you? am noticing content that i don't see elsewhere, appealing content, to me anyway. -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com On Jan 13, 2006, at 12:48 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: YAVS! Yet Another Video Service! had'nt heard of it, no. read this? http://www.youare.tv/terms.php On 1/13/06, *robert a/k/a r* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] http://youare.tv/
Well, like I said, we don't have it. The thing that would bother me, personally, is the fact that should I decide, later, that I don't like something I produced, or don't want it distributed any more, I gave them the right to keep that content and publish it. Transferable + revokable = fine. What if they sold to, say, a porn company, would you want your video blogs mashed up with some porn to push them as an edgy media provider??? =) Under the terms, that'd be totally legit, and you couldn't stop them from doing it from the point of upload. Also, forced mashupability isn't something I'm personally down with, either. People wanna do it, that's *their choice* -- not mine, for them. Strictly speaking, this is from me, Brad, the video blogger (ugh I so need to edit and upload like 15 things) -- vs me, Brad, vSocial Guy. I don't see the benefit to the lock-in that would exist from a TC like this -- and the standard response from other services who have done one of these is oh, well duh, we never meant it that way.. who doesn't let a geek go through a TC before publishing on the network? =) robert a/k/a r wrote: i'm wondering if that's not standard language for such hosting sites. i'll bet if you look at the others you'll find their lawyers included the same language. i see it elsewhere. what harm would such language cause the user of such a hosting service? btw, IANAL but wouldn't those bits in your agreement to enable you to sell your site or merge it into a new entity without breaching you agreement with your users? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com On Jan 13, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Brad Webb wrote: The irrevocable, transferable bits jumped out at me.. maybe that's just because we don't have those, tho =) robert a/k/a r wrote: the terms look generic, not unlike the other hosting services. anything jump out at you? am noticing content that i don't see elsewhere, appealing content, to me anyway. -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com On Jan 13, 2006, at 12:48 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: YAVS! Yet Another Video Service! had'nt heard of it, no. read this? http://www.youare.tv/terms.php On 1/13/06, *robert a/k/a r* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Links -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts
Obviously I'm out of town when this thread hits... Yes, I entirely agree with where this ended up. Flash is not an end-all-be-all -- there is *no* end-all-be-all. And I agree, innovation in this area is not done, it's barely started. Needless to say, we've got cool stuff on the go. =) The mantra we keep slamming -- *do* something with video -- is more than a hypeline, I live/breathe/sleep that every day (more than I care to actually admit); that being said, not every method is for everyone. Lots of folks are format zealots, and I totally appreciate that. This is why I usually do my talkbacks on most threads directly to folks.. I don't want to feel like I'm cramming some company line (format, the right way etc) down anyone's throat. Folks SHOULD and ARE trying different methods, services, formats, etc out, and I am totally supportive of other folks in the space who provide different, meaningful and valuable tools to the community... as I've said a few times, I personally (heart) blip, vlogdir, fireant, mefeedia and ourmedia/IA, and would love to work more with these folks. Mike Lanza wrote: For those who don't have the time or inclination to dive into ActionScript, the value of Flash video is represented by the sites that use it. As I've said before, there is a growing number of sites using it, but these sites have only shown the tip of the iceberg of what can be done with ActionScript and Flash video. Off the top of my head, the only one that has done anything interesting at all is vSocial, and that's not an awful lot. So, for now, Flash video seems like it's gaining market share without delivering any benefits over what it's replacing. Stay tuned. There's sooo much that Flash can do for video that hasn't been shown yet. Specifically, I'm talking about rich interactive applications where using video isn't a simple matter of pressing play and kicking back. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with this. In fact I've posted a very elegant WordPress FLV plugin here several times. I think that is a great option for videobloggers. But Flash is not the be all and end all. Other format options for download/syndication are very important. -Josh On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but you can transcode other formats to flv. and you can use a flash wrapper/player which can provide some interactivity being discussed here. these are free or cheap. just need a server to upload it to so it can be used on the web. you dont have to buy or use expensive Flash MX 2004 Professional. the important point, to reiterate here is NOT to ONLY use flash. But DONT avoid it when you can feasibly incorporate it into your projects. DO provide mp4 etc... balance experiment dont be fooled by partial truths which can end up limiting your creativity and use of available technologies. sull On 1/10/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flash is used by service providers... upload your video here types of services. This is fine, but for an independent who wants to post their own video on the web, dealing with Flash is still for the most part too expensive and too complicated. Flash MX 2004 Professional is not a cheap program. Understanding actionscipt is not easy. Understanding the intricacies of Flash and how to make it work for both playback and syndication is not easy. I think Flash is great on the web. But it is not yet easy enough for an individual, low budget, one-person production unit without relying on a third party service. /rant -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individualhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usew4=Explainsc=4s=52.sig= _ypWGVVDWUSpuxYaJQCHhA Fireanthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usew4=Explainsc=4s=52.sig=ZN 1ChvogeamDt5UU6pqRYQ Usehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usew4=Explainsc=4s=52.sig=JJpiF0 el7XIZm7_UQJThew Explainshttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Explainsw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usew4=Explainsc=4s=52.sig=U JhUAw_ybLAhU1YhEOb9AA -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/ videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]videoblogging- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
Re: [videoblogging] CES Main Floor ...
Allen Weiner is there.. he's been posting some CES updates on vSocial.. his blog is at http://whatsontonight.blogware.com/ David Meade wrote: Hi all, I just talked to my brother (and fellow vlogger) Doug (of DougMeade.com) ... He's on the main floor of CES today until noon vegas time (but doesnt have email access I guess). He said he's keepin his eye out for vloggers but hasnt seen any so far. Anyway, if anyone wants to meet a random vlogger Doug is at the Thomson RCA booth near the bookshelf audio systems :-) - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] making directories
Let's extend the show analogy a bit... To me, most videoblogs are *segments*. Only when you have multiple segments, does it become a *show*. I view *show* in this context as much more of a container than simply anything. That's just my opinion on it, and my knee-jerk, though. andrew michael baron wrote: I just dont see why it would be difficult to use the word show in context of a videoblog. What are your thoughts on this? On Dec 5, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: but what part of what i said do you disagree with, specifically? thanks. On 12/5/05, *andrew michael baron* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:51 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: if its within a videoblog form the word 'show' would be hard to use. they would just be videos. I disagree. And so, what you are getting at here is the word blog. It is important. As you all know, I have always looked to the history of the blog when discussing format for videoblogs. How can you not when using that word? Its not personal vs. show that distinguishes the qualities that so many outspoken people here on this list focus on in order to separate all of us into two camps where one does not get to use the word videoblog' because its show. We can also leave podcasting out of it; Podcasting is a matter of fact: it is or it isn't because its based on technology (rss enclosure), not format. Videoblogging is more lose in definition because it is defined by many factors, some technologically based, and others format based. When a word is in flux based on format, then what you have is a bunch of linguistic, metaphysical referents that do not have clear borders. Like the word 'love' can not be defined. Yet, in doing our best to not speak in universals when discussing these things, we can notice patterns and attitudes, whether they are informed or not. With blogging, you have personal diaries, and you have show, but there is so much more that it's silly to just focus on these two. Its shortsighted because what we see now is only just the obvious. The real beauty has yet to show itself, as more and more people begin to consider these same questions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA Typepad http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Typepadw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
For me it's the thin edge of the wedge, and I think folks are focusing more on oh no! it's porn! -- where's the line drawn? How long until there's spvlogs, etc. Having a system in place to filter down -- not out -- things that negatively impact the community and tools aren't a bad thing, imho. Michael Sullivan wrote: the kid can also google porn and BOOYA!! of course some kids may be a little too curious too soon... but we should discuss the issue broadly and generalize, knowing that their are always exceptions. no solution will ever be perfect. On 12/2/05, *Enric* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay dedman wrote: Maybe the opposite approach would be logical? Instead of filtering the not for kids stuff, filter the kid friendly stuff. And include a warning on site stating that there may be adult content within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video content which could be many things and is up to the directory curators to decide how best to approach that. My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section on the site geared for children education and entertainment etc, then this could take care of most of the aforementioned issues maybe ;-) great idea. very proactive. eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for eric's kids. http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov but i think the feed died out. see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory. itll come as content grows. im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating. everything will exist. we can simply chose where. Well, we already have yahooligans.yahoo.com http://yahooligans.yahoo.com, what about kids.mefeedia.com http://kids.mefeedia.com? :) It would be cool to be able to point kids to a videoblogging directory and let them explore what's there. Sometimes the most creative stuff comes from kids and the way they look at the world. You know, before the reality of it all crushes their spirit and makes them just another cog in the corporate machine that is today's society. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... I remember when I was a kid I didn't want to read books for children but those adults thought were important. I think I kids section will interest parents mostly. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA Typepad http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Typepadw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Yahoo! Video Search for vlog
Actually, all of their video search is (supposedly) powered/driven by Media RSS. I.e. no media-rss extension, no inclusion in their search. That's my understanding, at least (I was part of the group that defined it..) robert a/k/a r wrote: I think they scrape a site called vlogdigest (or something like that:) On Dec 2, 2005, at 3:07 PM, Randolfe Wicker wrote: I wonder if you know how these search engines work? -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: VlogSafe Music
I've found Magnatune to be really useful, they have some solid classical pieces, as well as some rock/alt/etc that works in really well, and they have a vlog/podcast attribution-only license. They're usually my 1st stop when I'm sitting down to edit. Eric Rice wrote: Opsound.org is one of my favorite sources. Much of it also can be used for commercial purposes, too. And of course, lots of helpful people at musicpodcasting.org Also, I operate that podsafe = vlogsafe, with the caveat that taking music and putting it to video falls under the category of 'derivitive work'... So Vlogsafe/Podsafe/Blogsafe (smirk) = something lacking the no-deriv Creative Commons tag for starters. ER -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: WARNING: Firefox 1.5 does not to scroll QT
are we forming voltron (or would that be vlogtron..)??! I didn't get the memo :/ I've had perpetual issues with any vid + firefox when scrolling for awhile.. window blacks out, etc etc. I've kinda learned to not touch my browser when viewing :) Michael Sullivan wrote: this sucks!! vloggers unite! On 12/1/05, *Michael Meiser* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll confirm that on a mac. I get the exact same problem. Running the latest 10.4, the latest QT and the latest Firefox 1.5. -Mike On Dec 1, 2005, at 5:15 PM, LeanBackVids.com wrote: Both Josh and Andrew have confirmed the same bug. I just downloaded FF1.5 on my WinXP box and it does not have the same problem. Looks like it is only Mac. I'm running Quicktime 7.0.3. I've never submitted anything to Bugzilla, but this is an unacceptable issue. It marks the first time I've ever experienced a negative feeling toward Firefox. To make things worse, I highly doubt they'd come out with an update to fix a QT issue on the Mac. -Matt --- http://ridertech.com http://leanbackvids.com http://vlogmap.org --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/1/05, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yup, I just experienced this on this web site: http://www.bravia-advert.com/commercial/braviaextcommhigh.html That page works for me with FF 1.5 and QT 7.3. Are you using the same version of Quicktime? Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: vlog web 2.0 style - fluxiom
The for your enterprise indicates to me, at least, that we're not really talking vlogginess. It's definately on my watchlist, tho. Michael Sullivan wrote: teaser... but it looks impressive. dont know how bloggy it will be, but it mentions the ability to tag and share media assets as well as generated rss feeds for each tag... wonder if it supports enclosures etc.. we'll see. sull On 11/28/05, *Enric* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.fluxiom.com/ wow. look out! Nice, dramatic video, but not much data (unless it's elsewhere.) -- Enric http://www.cirne.com Determine the Media -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA Typepad http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Typepadw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Spirit can not be spoken for
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Re: [videoblogging] XP2 Firewire-Video Help Needed
Just a quick thought, have you done remove hardware on the SB card, to force a reinstall? Other than that, I'd be just as stumped as you are. The XP2 machine next to me pulls from my Panasonic GS150 like a pro. Gena wrote: I'm about to shoot this $#%#^! thing!. I have been fight Windows XP since 6am. I bought a Panasonic GV19 camcorder. I have a SB Audigy sound card that has a firewire port. I know it worked because I used it with a firewire drive. So here is the problem. I hooked up my camcorder and nothing, zip, zilch and bupkis. Nothing in the listed drives, no tone, no balloon, nothing. I check the device driver, it says the card is okay, functioning normally. I bought a new Belkin cable. $27 Nothing. I hooked up the firewire drive with the original cable. I can see the light on the FW Hard drive but XP don't see blip. I know this drive works. However, I haven't used it since I upgraded to XP2. I open up the computer make sure that the card is secure. It is. I go to Panasonic, they say I don't need a driver, XP should see it as soon as I plug it in. I go to M$ - Windows XP2 has issues with firewire cards. Performance of 1394 devices may decrease after you install Windows XP2 Nobody fucking told me (or anybody else about it) I download the patch. Shut the computer on and off. Nothing. I swing over to Google Groups and find the MVP guru who does have helpful info on his site http://www.myvideoproblems.com I try everything that I can. Still no go. I don't have the cash to spring for a new 1394 card until the end of next week. Is there anything else I can do to fix this M$ caused defect. Because if I buy the card and it still doesn't work I will be quarter past enraged. Is there a specific card I should get/not get? P.S. If I could I would swing over to Mac in a heartbeat but I don't have that kind of money. I have to deal with what I have. Thanks, Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
Nevermind the fact that this is an easy path to an exclusionary clique of accepted goodness. Plus, the secondary part of Randy's point -- that having an open, accepted directory would prevent other closed ones -- just won't happen. If anything, I think the folks working towards building/tweaking directories should put their heads together to open up ratings, comments, tags, feeds, etc etc. *Nudge nudge* =) andrew michael baron wrote: On Nov 25, 2005, at 9:03 PM, Randolfe Wicker wrote: That is why we as a community should work to set up an open directory that will become the accepted norm. There should not be just one. In the long run there never will be. SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA Typepad http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Typepadw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] help
Steve Garfield wrote: FYI from vSocial's site: By posting any Content to the public areas of the Website, you hereby grant to vSocial the non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use, publicly perform and display such Content on the Website. Also from vSocial's site: This license will terminate at the time you remove such Content from the Website. ... (http://www.vsocial.com/terms.php) It says you let us display your work on the site -- and is revokable, by the user, at any time -- where's the issue with that? Did I miss something, or should hosting services not have the right to display the works they host -- especially for free -- am I unaware of the catch here? On Nov 23, 2005, at 12:59 AM, Brad Webb wrote: Well, since I recognized the original poster as a recent signup for vSocial, I figure I should jump in. We're supporting 90% of videos that are being uploaded --Steve -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] help
Well, since I recognized the original poster as a recent signup for vSocial, I figure I should jump in. We're supporting 90% of videos that are being uploaded (some people are still trying to upload SWF and just raw html.. I guess we're supposed to extract the embed tags?), the only format we're still having issues with is RM. We've also just -- and have yet to announce/change site text -- upped the per-file limit to 100MB, and we don't cap the number of files. Also we transcode to an easily-embeddable flash format with neat player (that brings comments, tags and sharing functions with it), transcode for video iPod (I have a videoblog tutorial on this in the can, need to edit) AND keep/syndicate the original upload, for things like mefeedia and FireANT (direct, onsite links for the original file and iPod/PSP compatible MP4 going up tommorow...). We also have all kinds of really cool, unique tools that let you *do* things with the videos uploaded (although, this functionality is going to be extended further to other providers in the -- this -- community, more news on that soon) Sooo.. I'd, personally, put us on that list, as well. Joan Khoo wrote: I will testify that since I've signed on to blip.tv http://blip.tv, I had no problems with uploading. Definatey go with them. Joan On 11/23/05, *Jay dedman* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm having trouble finding a reliable, free video host. I've tried everything and nothing seems to actually work. My videos are usually around 10mb so it cant have to small a limit. Of course I've used ourmedia.org http://ourmedia.org but lately it seems not to work at all. Very discouraging. Please help! ourmedia is the front end for the Internet Archive. the great thing is that thney will store your videos forever. they become a part of the public space. the bad thing is that, as you say, its not really meant as a relaible server. Blip.tv http://Blip.tv is a great free hosting service. they are run by good guys..who are part of this community. they may charge in the future..but everthign you upload now will be served for free..and you will be warned when they start charging for future uploads. jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging URL: http://www.momentshowing.net http://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA Typepad http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Typepadw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] mainstream music in videos
If they're doing them live, at a venue, the venue will have a mechanical license (well, supposed to, obviously) Markus Sandy wrote: ah, you are assuming cover implies licensed and royalties paid that is *not* common usage for most people out side of the music industry perhaps certainly, lots of local bands claim to do cover songs, but they haven't cleared it or paid for it check a dictionary - most don't mention the payment part Brad Webb wrote: Actually, no, you just have to pay royalties. Copyright specifically allows for cover usage and spells out it's royalty structure. Markus Sandy wrote: that's still a copyright violation (i.e., happy birthday to you ...) Ronen wrote: If you 'cover' a song, then you can use the cover version -- which opens up a world of possibilites. (I'm noticing the rocketboom version seems a cover) On 11/21/05, *Ronen* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Barron (and the blue ball people) used Danny Elfman music in friday's rocketboom, to great effect. The real question, I think, is whether when doing such things it makes more sense to link to the source music (which I've been doing) or leave it unlinked, (presumably the hopes that then no one will notice). I seriousely don't know which is more effective. Any ideas/thoughts on the subject? Ronen cinemalog.net http://cinemalog.net On 11/21/05, *Khoo, Joan* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, I was hoping you could help me conclusively answer if it is legal to use mainstream music in videos. And if it depends on the artist/producers/company then how do we identify the companies that allow us to use their music in their videos? Joan -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA Typepad http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Typepadw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA Typepad http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Typepadw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home
Re: [videoblogging] Output from Sony HDR-HC1
This is from my (foggy) memory, but isn't it their HDV format, or is that simply hypespeak for mpeg2? Allen_Weiner wrote: For any of those who have used the new Sony Hi-Def camera, HDR-HC1, what is the format output from the camera. It's not clear on the site, but is it straight MPEG-2 or some other format. Allen Yahoo! Groups Links -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: mainstream music in videos
The secondary part, not sure about.. the non-profit side of things. However, the payment to the writer -- the only thing required to distribute a cover -- is correct. Obviously, a deal/agreement has to be made with any performer. Ronen wrote: Am I incorrect that a 'cover' version of a song requires that a deal must be arranged with the performer, but that a fixed percentage exists to be paid to the writer? And that if we're dealing with non-profit distribution, the only issue is arranging a deal with the performer who performed the cover? On 11/21/05, *Pete Prodoehl* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Garfield wrote: Over on the podcasting side of things Adam Curry has completley stopped using any music that he doesn't have the rights to and has removed old podcasts with copyrighted music from his archives. http://music.podshow.com is one of the places I get music from. And I mentioned Magnatune last week as well: http://rasterweb.net/raster/2005/11/16/magnatune-and-videoblogs/ Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA Typepad http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Typepadw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA Typepad http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Typepadw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: mov in to wmv
This is also why we chose the development path for vSocial that we did. I personally can't wait until Flash 8 is a bit more ubiquitous, because the On2 codec (as HORRIBLY slow as it is to encode) is a huge improvement over the existing codec. This is also why we keep the original format for feeds as well as offer a transcoded M4V (which I just confirmed works as intended.. posting later about it) feed for iTunes. Too many codecs for average folks to have to handle. Heck, I barely like having to keep up with all of them. :) Bill Streeter wrote: This is exactly why I've taken to posting Flash video for viewing on my blog and Quicktime for the feed subscribers. Seems to have solved the problem. Flash video, with all it's short comings, is a pretty universal format. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Juan Falla Ximena Muñoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Share [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how important does everyone think it is to offer up both formats? mov's and wmv's. i'm considering getting some of the software to convert the mov's into wmv's so windows users don't get slowed down any thoughts? thanks! share www.rocknrolltv.net I work in Macs so I used to post my videos ONLY in .mov But, now I post both in .mov and .wmv It just happens that in Colombia were our families are, the computers don't have quicktime installed. (My brother who is a computer geek obviously has quicktime, but a normal person who just buys a PC and never installs anything, he doesn't have it). So, for example my wife's mother: she doesn't have a computer at home, so she has to go to an Internet Cafe to see the videos. I was on the phone telling her how to get to my vlog and see the videos, and she couldn't see them! The computer doesn't have quicktime installed, I even spoke with the person in charge of that place and told him to install it, but he told me that he wasn't allowed to isntall any softwares... Huh??? Anyway, I finally had to start posting the videos in windows media, this way she can see them with out problems. So it all depends in what people are going to see your videos. Obviously if you post in .wmv too the risk of people encountering problems is minimum, so more people will be able to watch them Juan http://livingwithfallas.myblogsite.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Kaballah discussions closed for comment
Charles HOPE wrote: Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote: Free speech means that you have the right to respond. It doesn't mean that someone else has to sponsor your speech. That's true. But it's good faith and proper manners. Which I totally I agree with, but am not going to advocate enforcing. Proper manners also includes not enforcing those same manners upon others. That, again, is the same -- conceptually -- as what is being railed against in the first place. My idea of the right way has nothing to do with anyone else's, and I'm in no position -- nor want to be -- to enforce that right way on anyone. I don't get it. This sort of has an exclusionary feel to it, IMHO, and I'm not sure what's driving that. If people want to be open, cool, I'm down with that. If not, alright, I'll check it out, and if I don't like what they're about, or how they're doing things, I won't check it out anymore, and I'll blog about that. When did that stop being an option? Why aren't we railing about blogs that post about NYT or CNN articles? We ALL have equal time. At least, I know I do, I have a blog, and access to technorati. Where's the issue, and why are we trying to exclude people from not playing by some set of arbitrary rules? Also, since I want to keep the threadcount down here -- the fact that it wasn't overtly labelled as accepting comments, yeah, that sucks. Don't watch 'em again. Take your notes, blog about what you saw, and that's that. I don't think we should be building filters into our infrastructure to keep people out, especially right now. I don't think programmatically enforcing some kind of clique is the best way to move things forward, but hey.. I could be totally wrong here. -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Kaballah discussions closed for comment
Aren't you effectively suggesting we censor those folks that want to censor you? That, er, is somewhat contradictory, no? I hate to sound very TV-guy-like.. but change the channel? Randolfe Wicker wrote: I was most impressed with this feed I found on FireAnt .feed: http://www.whatdoyoulivefor.info/movieshow/?feed=comments-rss2 It was impressive technically since you watched it for about twenty minutes before the download caught up with your viewing and caused problems. Obviously, these people have technical ability. It resonated with me in a very special way. it talked about inner voice and reason for life which for me, the world's first human cling activist had a special resonance, www.clonerights.com http://www.clonerights.com . I wanted to make a posting and found that comments were closed. I don't think these religious dialogues that cut off all dialogue should be listed in aggregators like FireAnt. I don't think any video should be put on such aggregators that *do not allow feedback*. I like being challenged. I don't like controls that prevent feedback. Call this positive censorship. People should not be enabled to preach to you without allowing you to give feedback. This is common among the Religious Right. I got an email from a fellow in Philadelphia (religious right Democrat) regarding my last vlog Waging War on Death. I followed the link that promised an equal time discussion. I sent an essentially let's stop screaming at one another email but it was blocked from delivery. Vlogging and the free exchange of ideas implies that anyone who posts something should be forced to receive reactions and replies to what they have posted. Stop censorship of thought!! Only vlogs allowing feedback and comments allowed!! Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, Activist Advisor: The Immortality Institute Hoboken, NJ http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ 201-656-3280 SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Kaballah discussions closed for comment
Er, okay, but I have my own blog that I can comment on and be a part of the sphere of conversation, so really, do I care that I can/can't comment directly on someone's blog? No, not really. Infact, I'd rather have the conversation in a spot I KNOW isn't edited/moderated/controlled. I don't PERSONALLY see how removing people who disagree with that from the mix. Again, change the channel. There's all kinds of NON-blog stuff that I can pull into FireANT, mefeedia, etc -- should those be excluded because they're not the utopian setup that we'd all like? I'd strongly argue no. Charles HOPE wrote: Brad Webb wrote: Aren't you effectively suggesting we censor those folks that want to censor you? This is the argument that BSD people use against the GPL. It's a bit too relativistic for my taste though, I'm afraid. There is censorship to promote my ideology and shut out the enemy. And then there is the refusal to play with those who insist on playing with a stacked deck. Censorship shouldn't be confused with the meta-censorship Randolfe advocates. SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Internet television station
I'd personally add us (vSocial, URL http://www.vsocial.com/) to that list as well. Our RSS feeds have enclosures of the original, uploaded files -- plus we transcode for m4v -- which can be distributed in the same or similar manner, plus we have easy and compatible embedded features for your blog or wherever else you'd want to put 'em. Still not sure specifically what the original commenter was looking for, though. Gena wrote: So it sounds like you are looking for a web host to upload store your videos and then use Broadcast Machine to distribute them (RSS = Channels in Broadscast Machine speak) via Bit Torrent. For free video web hosting you can try: http://blip.tv/ http://www.dailymotion.com/ http://ourmedia.org (currently having problems accessing so make this #3 to try out) Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers
The short answer to this is.. unique IPs that hit multiple times over the last 24 hour period. That's what I can determine to be feedburner's technique. That, at least, is how I'm going to be doing the calculation. =) It doesn't account for aggregators that cache, NAT'd IPs, or anything of the like. But without some kind of cookie-ing system, you're probably not going to be able to do that. I'm not sure how this topic got so confused ... :-P The question asked was NOT how can I get detailed viewer stats that have enough data I could use it when talking to marketing/sponsorship/advertisemnt/etc people ... the question was simply has anyone figured out a way to get feedburner like subscriber estimations without using feedburner ... and I have ... so I replied. That was the sole question I tried to answer. yes I have made a system that estimates subscribers similar to how I imagine feedburner does it (maybe better :-P) I didnt even try to answer any other questions about how to track viewers/hits/downloads etc to such a level that sponsors or advertisers would like to see. I never claimed to be able to provide those stats in any 'report'. It was a question about subsrciber estimates ala feedburner ... and that the only thing I said I could provide. Somewhere it jumped topics ... a which point I only meant to say that a simple estimation of subscribers (not some detailed market data report) ... does not require knowledge of how many times a file was actually viewed, and that with some decent logic built in can minimize the effects of NAT'd IPs in the calculations. No you can't get a perfect number ... but you cna get close. (and again, the question was about subscriber estimates ala feedburner ... if you already know thats not what you're looking for, than any similar solution is again ... not going to be what your looking for) Most vloggers are not looking (yet) for market data they can show to advertisers or sponsors ... and I dont think thats what the question that started this was asking for. Now, if you want that Andrew, then yes I totally agree with you that a simple subscriber estimation isn't going to cut the mustard and would be misleading ... but not everyone is rocketboom. :-P Some of us still get a nice warm fuzzy feeling for servicing our 15 viewers, and are happy to have rough estimation for our own use. pinging a server on a view is an interesting idea, but again ... viewers != subscribers. - Dave http://www.davidmeade.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers
Oh, for sure, it's easy to make SOME differenciation. Except for jackasses like me with 4 machines, with 3 different OS' and 4 different aggregators. I presume the level of jackassness is on par with mine, too, which is why subscribers=1 in anything I throw together. =) David Meade wrote: On 11/12/05, Brad Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The short answer to this is.. unique IPs that hit multiple times over the last 24 hour period. That's what I can determine to be feedburner's technique. That, at least, is how I'm going to be doing the calculation. =) It doesn't account for aggregators that cache, NAT'd IPs, or anything of the like. But without some kind of cookie-ing system, you're probably not going to be able to do that. Well there is some other stuff you can take into account. for example lets say I have 3 subscribers behind the same IP address ... user A requests feed with ip addess 10.10.10.10 with agent=iTunes for windows -- subscribers=1 user a requests the feed again one hour later with itunes for windows -- counted as the same user. subscribers=1 User B then 1 hour later requests feed with ip address 10.10.10.10 with agent = fireant for windows -- Here we have to make a choice. Do I count this as a new subscriber assuming there are more than one people behind this address, or do I count this as the same user assuming he has two aggrigators installed. Up to you, but in my system I count it as the same user (I try to fall to the side of too strict). So in my system ... counted as the same user subscribers=1 (I've just lumped two people together perhaps) User C then requests the feed from ip 10.10.10.10 with agent=fireant for Mac -- this time we see that it's a macintosh OS where as the last from this IP was a windows install. -- Here I go ahead and make the assumption that this is in fact a different user, as it is very cleraly a different machine (even though its from the same IP) subscribers=2 So as above, you'd have 3 users with the same IP address. In my system it would count them as 2 ... I could have counted them as 3, but I made the rule that lumps some together because I'd rather lose one here and there than gain 3 because of people like me who have Fireant, iTunes, and thunderbird all pinging away. IP address is important HTTP user agent can also give you great information such as: * client application * client OS (sometimes) * number of users that this requests services (sometimes) - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] fussing and fighting
Ugh. This inevitably happens, unfortunately, once people start to pour in past the early adopters. They come in on the buzz, hype and tech, and ignore the principles that the community has been founded and flourished upon the core cool stuff. The worst part is, I don't have a good suggestion/answer as to how to avert it, but something that definately warrants further discussion. Jay dedman wrote: God help us if videoblogging becomes like this: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,69513,00.html?tw=rss.TEK no, im the best i have more viewers' Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging URL: http://www.momentshowing.net http://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube - WTF?
Because it works, works fast, and users are generally willing to sacrifice quality and freedom for just working... look at the threads over the past months about ourmedia/archive crapping out, average ADHD-level user just isn't going accept that as a solution. They also remove the what version of plugin XYZ am I running headache, which for people who actually follow these things and care isn't an issue, but I'm not going to (and can't) assume my mom has QT7 installed, and tell her well just go get it.. that's NOT a good user experience, IMO. That being said, users DO need to be educated about aggregation, but that's a battle that's *still* being fought on the text-blog level. Waiting 5 minutes for a 2 minute clip is an excrutiating experience for an average user, and one that needs to be rectified. Verdi wrote: On Nov 8, 2005, at 8:13 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: oh, and of course, let's not forget that the Audience is larger than the pool of Content Creators. VC's know this. These are the people that they are interested in, afterall I get that. But why do users like the service? Is it just because it's been inexplicably written up in places like Slashdot and BoingBoing? It's just hype. This is what bugs the shit out of me. Verdi -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com RD: http://graymattergravy.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: One Click buttons
I wonder if maybe the difference is between fresh installations of iTunes versus upgrades. Maybe an upgrade to the version with podcasting support didn't properly register the handler, while a fresh installation would? This, I think, is the correct call. We've got the .pcast method down pat http://www.vsocial.com/rss/pcaster.php , but I couldn't get it to just work on my machine (iTunes 6.0). I've been upgrading since 4.0, pre-podcasts, and .pcast is not associated on my machine. Tried it on another machine with a fresh install of 6.0 -- worked like a charm. Maybe we should hit apple up for making this work in the next release? Unfortunately this really limits alot of folks, because there was a large install base pre-podcasts. This does make for some annoying hey, if this doesn't work, try this over here stuff, which confuses lots of folks and is definately not the best way to address the issue, but I for one can't see a better way of doing it. -- Brad Webb, Hacker-in-Charge http://www.vsocial.com | http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: One Click buttons
Well, this would make sense, however I'm new to the world of iTunes/iPod ... I just got it last night. I suppose I might have had iTunes installed earlier and not even really noticed ... it has been bundled with QuickTime for at least a few versions I think ... but I dont think I've ever had anything prior to 6.0 at the earliest. 6.0 just came out with the release of the video-capable iPods, no? Yes, to get QT7 you would have had to grab iTunes, as well (AFAIK) but still, 4.9 was the first Podcast release, and (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that supported .pcast on Win and pcast:// on MacOS. So this definately wouldn't solve your problem. I also couldn't trace the issue to a browser-dependant problem (i.e. doesn't work on either IE or FF) -- Brad Webb, Hacker-in-Charge http://www.vsocial.com | http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
