from:"Yahoo"

I'm interested. But I'm still a huge skeptic.

I'm going to continue to ignore it for as long as possible.

Right now, even though the software is out it's still really just vaporware.

It's closed and proprietary. Sull said you could plug RSS into it, but
we'll see.

Quite frankly, I'm not interested in seeing another iTunes or youtube.

So... we'll see where it goes I guess.

-Mike

On 1/13/07, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It will be open to users to upload and create their own channels.
 It will be open to developers to create plugins/services for the platform.
 It's a beautiful use of lite tech and P2P.
 It plays back smooth high quality video content.
 It is a social environment (desktop/web hybrid).
 It is a project of a brilliant and well-funded team.
 It is snap simple to use.
 It will work on OSXintel and Linux soon (XUL and mozilla centric).
 It can work with your existing TV and can be ported to most any platform
 (article also mentioned gaming and VOD boxes etc)

 And the project is only getting started.
 It could have the potential to make YouTube appear quite sub-par.

 Veoh is more similar.

 TVP is impressive.  Not saying it will divide and conquer.  But it is
 definately impressive so far and obviously will only get better.
 It wont be bought out or die away anytime soon.

 sull

 On 1/13/07, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
I tested it a few weeks ago, wasn't thrilled. Another way to put
  commercial
  content on my PC. So what?
 
  On 1/13/07, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] sulleleven%40gmail.com wrote:
  
   I received my invite a few days ago.
   I was very impressed. In fact, it rocked!
   This should be big.
   Reminded me to try out Veoh again too.
   But yeah, the UI was slick and simple and the video was mostly TV
  quality.
   Smooth experience.
   ISPs wont nec like this and it raises the whole net neutrality issue.
   But TVP is the real deal. And its still in early beta.
   Mac/Linux coming soon.
  
   sull
  
   On 1/12/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 enric%40cirne.comenric%40cirne.com wrote:
   
The founders of Kazaa and Skype4 are hoping that The Venice Project
will upend the television experience just as their earlier efforts
turned the music and phone businesses on their respective heads.:
   
http://digg.com/tech_news/Inside_The_Venice_Project_Built_On_Mozilla
or
http://tinyurl.com/y3zzwc
   
And GigaOm's Inside The Venice Project  Exclusive Screen Shots:
   
http://gigaom.com/2006/12/21/first-look-venice-project/
or
http://tinyurl.com/ycbk26
   
They're looking for content providers ;)
   
-- Enric
-==-
http://www.cirne.com
   
   
   
  
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   http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog)
   http://interdigitate.com (otherly)
  
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  www.tvblob.com (work)
 
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Re: [videoblogging] iPhone app lockdown apparently confirmed

:(

But this platform is still a huge step forward. Because of the fully
functional web browser and wifi a TREMENDOUS amount of innovation can
happen on the webservices layer.  All this does is put a limit on
innovation.  Apple has given themselves a speed brake...   That
said... in response I almost gurantee that all the competing hardware
manufacturers will try to play catchup by opening up their hardware
completely in the hopes that 3rd parties will develop on these
platforms and make them more competitive with apple.

So all in all... it's a great day for the mobile web/ mobile computing.

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog
mefeedia.com

On 1/13/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 There is no opportunity right now for third party development. He
 told Macworld: Right now the opportunities are limited to the
 accessory market.

 http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipod-itunes/news/index.cfm?newsid=16926pagtype=allchandate

 and other commentary about this at:

 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/12/apple_lockdown_iphone/

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Re: [videoblogging] Update on Myheavy

Thanks for the link Rick.

Miki, great article. I generally agree with all the sentiments and
thank you for writing it.

There's only one small point. The DMCA doesn't protect the likes of
MyHeavy. It protects hosts when someone else uploads the media...
That is to say if someone else uploaded the media to myheavy they'd be
protected under the DMCA... but the people of myheavy themselves did
this... it's willful and deliberate widespread copyright infringement
done for direct profit.  It's gauling. No court in their right mind
would rule in their favor on this one.

The bottom line is it's not a DMCA issue... it's a plain old copyright
issue. They stole. It's that simple.

That said I still hope something can be worked out with MyHeavy to get
vloggers paid. Some sort of revenue share by which users can opt in to
allowing MyHeavy to display their content. After all MyHeavy really
knows what they're doing when it comes to making money of broadband
content.

-Mike
mefeedia.com
mmeiser.com/blog

On 1/13/07, Rick Rey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, here:

 http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/005801.html



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mikki
  is there a permalink for this?
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: LO-FI SAINT LOUIS signs with Podtech

I know I already said this, but congrats bill!

All I have to say is I love to see people get paid for stuff they're
doing anyway... stuff they're doing anyway because they love it.
Getting paid for what you love is the best.

And congrats to Podtech and Seagate on Bloghaus at CES I followed
every post and picture. It became it's own meme on flickr. Awesome
idea.

Peace,

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog

On 1/13/07, Zenophon Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Congrats Bill,

 Seems a lot has come out of the Vloggies interactions
 for all of us!

 Zennie

 --- Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  So cool man, not just the new gig but the walls, I'm
  digging the
  walls. It is an exciting time. There are going to be
  quite a few folks
  migrating to the next level of experience.
 
  Make the most of it and don't forget to enjoy the
  process. I'm happy
  for you but green with envy about that wonderful
  paint job.
 
  Gena -
 
  http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com
  http://pcclibtech.blogspot.com
  http://voxmedia.org/wiki/Video
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill
  Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Hey I just wanted to let you all know that I
  followed in Jay and
   Ryanne's footsteps and joined the Podtech Network
  this week. It's
   probably a very similar deal that they got--I have
  creative freedom to
   do what I want with my stuff, it's a licensing
  deal so I get to keep
   ownership of my stuff. And they're paying me.
  Which is way cool. It's
   a good feeling to think that someone liked your
  stuff enough to pay
   you to do something that you really love doing. I
  really dig the folks
   at Podtech (I got to hang with them this past week
  at the Bloghaus at
   CES) and I think that they are doing the business
  side of this stuff
   the right way. The process was relatively painless
  and I got great
   help from Morty Wiggins from OuThink who has loads
  of experience
   dealing with all aspects of the entertainment
  business.
   (http://www.outhink.com) And I got legal help from
  Colette Vogele who
   literally wrote the book on Podcasting and the law
  (I'm serious!
   Google it!). Her web site is here:
  http://vogelelaw.com
  
   So anyway I posted an announcement video on my
  site. You probably
   won't get a lot more info from it than you got
  here. But you do get to
   see me on video (a rare thing) and you get to see
  the orange walls in
   my house. Here is the link to the post:
  
  http://lofistl.com/2007/01/13/special-announcement/
  
   Bill Streeter
   LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
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Re: [videoblogging] iPhone app lockdown apparently confirmed

Nope. :)

Nothing new. You're right of course.

But I'm not saying that noone has done it before. There's a lot of
interesting, innovative and new stuff, but I didn't mean to imply that
this was something new. Just that it's important, and gradually it
will change things. I hope.

-Mike

On 1/13/07, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Phones/mobile devices with WiFi and fully functional web browsers have
 been around for a while. In fact, I have a Windows Mobile device in my
 pocket (T-Mobile Dash) that has WiFi and IE browser. I could also
 choose to install Opera, Minimo (Mozilla Browser for Windows Mobile),
 or another commerically available web browser (there are a few
 others).

 Is there something more to the WiFi/Browser capability of the iPhone
 that sets it apart? Is it because the display size is larger/higher
 resolution?

 -Josh


 On 1/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  :(
 
  But this platform is still a huge step forward. Because of the fully
  functional web browser and wifi a TREMENDOUS amount of innovation can
  happen on the webservices layer.  All this does is put a limit on
  innovation.  Apple has given themselves a speed brake...   That
  said... in response I almost gurantee that all the competing hardware
  manufacturers will try to play catchup by opening up their hardware
  completely in the hopes that 3rd parties will develop on these
  platforms and make them more competitive with apple.
 
  So all in all... it's a great day for the mobile web/ mobile computing.
 
  -Mike
  mmeiser.com/blog
  mefeedia.com
 
  On 1/13/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   There is no opportunity right now for third party development. He
   told Macworld: Right now the opportunities are limited to the
   accessory market.
  
  
 http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipod-itunes/news/index.cfm?newsid=16926pagtype=allchandate
  
   and other commentary about this at:
  
   http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/12/apple_lockdown_iphone/
  
   Cheers
  
   Steve Elbows
  
  
  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] more iPhones coming?

2007-01-12 Thread groups-yahoo-com

Don't want to be rude, I may be wrong, but I'm not thinking that apple
is trying to go after making converts of businesses.

That said they're NOT going after RIMM head on. The blackberry is
popular with business people, politicians on the hill..   What
politician was that just had their self portrait shot with a picture
of their family and their blackberry?

These are clearly NOT who apple is going after.

If I had to guess.  I'd guess apple is going after 20 and 30
somethings who are gadget freaks... your pervebial young urban
professional... just out of college... 1-5 years in the workforce,
working in the big city, living in the city, spending lots of time on
public transportation...

Last time I was in chicago one thing really hit me.  I walked by Union
Station in the business loop and I was AMAZED at all the people
rushing to their trains wearing ipods. It just seemed like every other
person was wearing and ipod... it was just sensationak... and that's
exactly apple's market.

the idea that the iphone is going to replace the blackberry as ANY
companies standard issue business phone is simply absurd...   as
absurd as thinking some business is just going to wholesale switch
from windows to mac.  That's fundamentally not apple's market.

I think it is best summed up as what Richard Florida called the
creative class.

And you ought to know what that is even if you haven't read up on it
because you all, pretty much every one of you on this group, are
fundamentally a part of that 'creative class'.

So...  only indirectly will this will clip the blackberry market... it
won't go after blackberry's core market... it's not a device for
suits... though I'm sure we'll be suprised to some degree
blackberry's were starting to appeal to a younger hipper crowd... and
now that younger hipper crowd may just go buy an iphone.

BTW... one of the things that makes the ipod so appealing is it's an
accessory, a fashion statement, and it's HIGHLY visible.  The white
earbuds are practically an advertisement and a trademark symbol of
apple.  I suspect that the iphone will do the same as a phone and a
communications device... because it's also an mp3 player it will spend
more time OUT of the pocket then ever, in the hand... ear buds in the
ear.

Basically... in five years I suspect when you ride a bus or a train in
any major city and look around it's going to seem like every other
person is staring into a little screen, earbuds in the ears, playing
away with something or another... email, SMS, RSS, videos...  or
simply listening to music.

The only pocketspace functionality apple hasn't tackled is the gaming
space. Other than that the iphone has it all.

peace,

-Mike

On 1/11/07, Micki Krimmel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I dunno. Have you seen that thing? People pay to get out of contracts all
 the time. I think the only reason they might not this time is because of the
 hefty pricetag IN ADDITION to the cost of switching carriers. I've switched
 a few times but the switch usually includes a free phone from the new
 company.

 With any luck, the iPhone will still have a huge impact on the industry
 whether it sees widespread adoption or not - because its competitors (i
 hope) are scrambling to figure out how to copy it!

 On 1/11/07, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Saw an interesting article
 
  http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20070110/tc_zd/198403
 
  Makes me wonder why Apple did this to be honest. Limiting yourself
  to one carrier and it appears to be for a while based on tones I am
  reading, you are automaticly handicapping yourself. So unless you
  are on the cingular network, you are just sol, cause you gonna pay
  that 175 early term fee per phone if you are with someone else?
  Nope.
 
  Also for all those worried about the effect on blackberries, etc, I
  don't see it, my comp uses blackberries for a lot of the management,
  they are locked in a mult year deal, not going to change overnight
  just for a phone that plays music and video.I really don't see
  this having the impact some are thinking it willmaybe I am nuts,
  maybe I am just a stupid hick from Ohio, but I just don't see the
  appeal at that price and it's a moot point for me anyway as I have
  Verizon and I just reupped..
 
  It's all very fasinating though...
 
  Heath
  http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com
 
 
 



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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda gets tasered at CES

2007-01-12 Thread groups-yahoo-com

I point to my original article on the subject of the so called vlog on abc.

http://mmeiser.com/blog/2006/12/amanda-congdons-new-vlog-on-abc-is-not.html

Some people mistakenly think I was writing about the definition of
what a vlog is because of my unforetunate title... but it is about
what is and is not a vlog... it's about what makes vlogs work, like
RSS feeds and permalinks, and how dysfunctional and useless ABC's
website is because they understand NONE of these things.

Among other things I specifically ranted about the inability to
reference or refer to an individual video and I stand 100% validated
and vindicated.  Amanda gets tasered and all people can do is point to
the stupid homepage.

Like most people, I simply didn't bother.

ABC mine as well have not even bothered to put it online.

Yo ABC!  Permalinks!  clue in!

I say this because I care. Maybe if enough people rant about how
clueless ABC is Amanda will have something to point to and say...
this is what I'm talking about ABC, listen to me!


Oh, and speaking of referrer detection check out how clueless ABC is.

http://abcnews.go.com/xmldata/xmlPodcast?id=2727783

That IS the url to their RSS feed for amanda's show on ABC. Except
ABC has referrer detection and if you're not visiting it from any
place other then the ABC website it simply redirects you to the
homepage... no RSS for you!

In other words ABC has a subscription feed that you can't subscribe to
it in any RSS reader... how clueless is that!?

It's like ABC is deliberately trying to sabatoge Amanda's success on
the ABC website.

Thank god amanda has a real vlog.

-Mike

mmeiser.com/blog

On 1/11/07, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks! Did anyone notice the typo on that site?
 Copyright (c) 2007 ABCNews Iternet Ventures

 What is an Iternet? ;)

 -Frank

 http://www.mefeedia.com/lists/ - Lots of lovely, hand-picked lists
 of videoblog and and podcast feeds.
 http://www.mefeedia.com/list_admin/list_create.php - Create your own
 list!

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thanks for the tip Steve, I didn't realize they had that
 available. I
  see there is a handy RSS feed and everything.
 
  - Andrew
 
 
  Steve Garfield wrote:
 
   there's a text string on the amanda site that says
  
   comment on amanda's blog.
  
   click that and you go to a blog
  
   http://blogs.abcnews.com/amanda/
 http://blogs.abcnews.com/amanda/
  
   that has permalinks and comments
  
   it also has a link to the abc.com video
  
   On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:44 PM, Andrew wrote:
  
Anybody else seen the clip of Amanda getting tasered at CES?
 You
should
be able to find it at http://abcnews.go.com/Amanda/
   http://abcnews.go.com/Amanda/
   
And not to flog (taser?) a dead horse, but really what is up
 with that
ABC sit
  
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   http://SteveGarfield.com http://SteveGarfield.com
  
  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Blip adds Intros Outros

2007-01-11 Thread groups-yahoo-com

... or maybe your jan McLaughlin of Faux Press, and you have a Nokia
N70 and you're alread posting raw uncut video clips directly from your
phone to your vlog but they're nasty 3gp files that don't play...

:)

Now you'll be able to post video directly to from your mobile video
phone to your vlog and they'll appear as marvelous flash and mp4 (I
assume) videos... with nice beautiful intro's and outros of your
creating. All courtesy of blip.

Jan I hope you're in on the beta testing.

Oh... and on a side note.

Mike H, will this release allow for users to specify a title that will
be displayed on a generic title screen right after the intro and
before the meat of the post?

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog
evilvlog.com
mefeedia.com
intermediated.com

On 1/11/07, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is the most exciting idea since Blip first came out.

 Want to echo previous sentiment re: your handling of MyHeavy.com, too. Thank
 you. Thank you. Thank you.

 Will save me bunches of time.

 Yeah.

 XOXOXOX,
 Jan

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Sprint WiMax in Chicago by year end, and Nokia + SixApart = mobile video sha

2007-01-11 Thread groups-yahoo-com

All I know is Apple sure got Cingular to take a huge leap of faith
with the iPhone.

Depending on how the SDK pans out for the iphone it could be the most
open mobile platform to date.

It really disrupts the business model all cellular carriers have been
pursuing with complete control over their network and anything
connected too it.

-Mike

On 1/10/07, J. Rhett Aultman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I didn't think you were ignorant. Sorry if I gave you that impression.
I was just not understanding why Jobs is touting Cingular...which is
basically because they played ball with his company...so I was noting
the business dog-and-pony show.

Really...sorry. I was just out to point out that it's a dog and pony
show with no compelling technological reason. Sorry a third time.

--
Rhett.
http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime

francisco_daum wrote:

Rhett-

I wasn't ignorant of the fact the iPhone is going to be available in
June using Cingular. My point is that it's great the iPhone will be
introduced, and in 2000, Cingular was considered the new kid on the
block. Sprint shareholders were told Cingular was nothing to worry about
because they paid way too much for them to operate a mobile network,
did not have the Synchronous Optical Network Sprint had, and was using
in between technology at the time when Sprint PCS was all CDMA. On top
of all that Sprint told me its pipes and tubes were operating at
around 15% capacity because expansion was built in.

Which brings in to mind that when these telcos start chipping away at
Net Neutrality, the bean counters have to look into the actual load
these networks (built with our taxes) are handling. I believe telcos
are just hoarding capacity.

I wasn't ignorant of the fact the iPhone is going to be on Cingular;
for a young company compared to Sprint, they've got more to gain. Also
Apple not making a strictly widescreen iPod to me looks like a way to
get more people to use OS X (which I thoroughly enjoy for anything
media over Windows and Linux). So let me repeat I wasn't ignorant of
the fact the iPhone is going to be on Cingular. Ok? :)

Francisco Daum
franciscodaum.com
franciscodaum.blogspot.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, J. Rhett Aultman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

First off, he's touting Cingular because Apple signed a deal with
Cingular. There need be no reason above that. Business partners stand
up for each other. Secondly, he's touting Cingular because Cingular is
the biggest of the US networks, so it made sense to strike on that
iron. Finally, he's touting Cingular because Cingular did Apple a lot
of favors when it came to developing the iPhone, so he's happy to have
found people to work with.

--
Rhett.
http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime

francisco_daum wrote:

When I was a Tech I for Sprint in 2001, the biggest selling point was
the dominance of its fiber optic backbone, from Tier I all the way up
to Tier III. Sprint boasted having the mostest and the fastest OC-96
fiber. Network capacity was below 15%. Cingular was laughed at because
it wasn't CDMA (Sprint wireless is strictly CDMA, except for roaming).
Cingular was paying the highest for its customers as far as air
rights, nothing to worry about. Today I'm a puzzled how Steve Jobs was
touting Cingular.
Francisco
franciscodaum.blogspot.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser
groups-yahoo-com@ wrote:

The wimax is coming. And with it broadband communications.

An actual firm date, by the end of this year. It's no longer just

vaporware.

*Sprint Nextel

Corp.*http://kansascity.bizjournals.com/kansascity/gen/Sprint_Nextel_Corp_38D9B727DAD54EBE929378498D672ECA.htmlsaid

Monday that will launch its WiMax wireless broadband service in Chicago

and Washington by year's end.

The wireless giant (NYSE: S), which began showing off products

that use

WiMax technology on Monday at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las

Vegas,

has committed to spending $800 million this year and $1.5 billion

to $2

billion next year on the new WiMax network.

The company said in a release Monday that early products that

will use

WiMax include mobile PCs and personal media players by *Samsung
Electronics

Co.*http://kansascity.bizjournals.com/kansascity/gen/Samsung_Electronics_Co_0410697D58D74FAAA93930587D6236B6.htmland

an infotainment device by

*LG Electronics

Inc.*http://kansascity.bizjournals.com/kansascity/gen/LG_Electronics_Inc_605CE10EFDA940E4B937F76CC1234CE2.html

WiMax will allow devices to connect to the Internet at cable

modem-like

speeds wirelessly, in coverage areas similar to wireless phone

service. An

MP3 player with WiMax capability, for example, would allow music

downloads

on the go.

The WiMax network is expected

Re: [videoblogging] Internet video patent suit hits Google and Apple

2007-01-11 Thread groups-yahoo-com

Is this true!?

Because if it is this is the hieght of absurdity and I know a WHOLE
lot of people who will want to here about it so they can laugh and
laugh... and then cry.

It's the first I've heard of such a thing, that's for sure.

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog

On 1/9/07, WWWhatsup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://www.out-law.com/page-7623

Google, Apple and Napster are being sued over their online video businesses
by a company that stopped offering internet video years ago. Intertainer
holds a patent that it says is being infringed by some of the tech world's
biggest names.

The company now only consists of two people, according to press reports, but
it will seek to assert its patent rights in a Texas court after filing an
action on 29th December. It had applied for a patent covering internet video
distribution, and that was awarded in 2005.

Intertainer was founded in 1996 to distribute films over the internet and
won investment from Sony, Microsoft and Intel. It stopped that business in
2002.

The company holds nine patents, and the current action is based on US patent
number 6,925,469, which covers the distribution and management of digital
media files.

Intertainer is seeking an injuction and unspecified damages from the three
companies and it is thought likely that it will pursue further suits if this
one is successful. Intertainer founder Jonathan Taplin told the New York
Times that the company would now begin a patent licensing business.

Intertainer was the leader of the idea of entertainment on demand over
internet platforms before Google was even thought up, he said.

The choice of a Texas court is likely to have been influenced by the
reputation that some Texas courts have for handing out patent-related
judgments favourable to patent holders.

Intertainer did not file the application for the patent in question until
2001, five years after the company was founded and after some companies were
already offering video and audio material for download. That delay in filing
could complicate the company's claims.

Google owns YouTube, which leads the world in internet video. The site
offers short clips of often amateur-produced content for viewing on
computers and was bought by Google for shares worth $1.65 billion last
autumn.

Apple owns and operates iTunes, the world's biggest legal music download
service which is also moving into the business of selling video downloads.

See: US Patent No. 6,925,469
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50d=PALLRefSrch=yesQuery=PN%2F6925469

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Blip adds Intros Outros

2007-01-10 Thread groups-yahoo-com

So much to say I actually started to write an email twice, but I had to stop.

It's brilliant!  I don't know where you get these crazy ideas from but
keep it up! ;)

I like Peter's idea btw... but I can expand on it GREATLY... this
could well be only the tip of the iceberg.

I say, save the source if you have the space on your servers. Why?
Think about in the future creating blip projects think flickr
groups... but it's not about simply sharing... they're PROJECT
groups... they're about collaborative editing and organizing... either
rough cut editing online (with original source videos!)... using
blip's future online editing tools... or by downloading clips, editing
and reuploading to the blip projects.

Maybe... you just want to embrace the remix...

Or maybe you steal apple's rip, mix burn slogan.

And you adopt a strategy, of Shoot,  upload, mix, publish!

Blip Projects would be descrete groups... like a pbwiki... or say
this yahoo group... that can be public or private... or many stages
inbetween.

They could be used to collaborate... say... a vloggercon project for
vloggers to upload raw footage to share publicly, organize and
collaboratively edit.

or what about offering some white label version of this to podtech
or rocketboom and others with correspondents in the field.They
got the correspondents go out in the field... covering CES, and
macworld and they're to damn busy in the field to do any editing...
they're not sleeping... they may be in bed... with each other even...
but they're not sleeping... because it's CES...  so they upload the
footage to their Podtech CES Project on blip.tv so the podtech
editors who are well rested can organize, grab source and edit
together shows.

But that's not it... no. not by a long shot... because... what if you
were in a war zone and wanted to vlog... and you had limited
resources, editing time, software, tech, and broadband say you had
a blog and it was called Alive in Bagdad and you needed some
collaborative space to upload and share raw footage with your
co-conspirators state-side with their fancy macbooks, and their
broadband and editing software..

But wait that's not it!?   What if you were in the bush in africa...
like literally in the bush... shooting all this amazing footage of
wild dogs, and elephents and lions and rhinos!? Oh... wait, that's
wildcast.net!

It's not like you'd have a broadband connection in the bush, nor a
mobile editing station... maybe you'd upload some raw clips via sat
phone and blips intro  outro tool would be GREAT for that!  Slapping
an intro... a title sequence and an outro on it, transocding it to
flash an mp4 and posting it all to your vlog... at wildcast.net

But also may you could also upload some raw footage, some audio clips,
some voice over material and what not to Project Wildcast on blip.tv
and your conspirators in London could mix together some superb shows.

But wait... maybe you're on the road... maybe you're covering a
presidential campaign with three other people...  maybe that of John
Edwards?   You're not all on the road at the same time but you
need to be able to collaborate with your compadres to share the
load... maybe you need some place to upload raw footage for your
conspirators to edit and post?


And let's not forget the original idea either... the idea of just
having simple intro's and outros.

Maybe you've got a video cameraphone... maybe it's a Nokia n70, or a
N93 or N95 and let's say you shoot some footage of someone getting
tazered in a library in california... or maybe you're on vacation and
a tsunami hits... I don't know... use your imagination...

The point is you can just hit the old share this video button on your
phone... and you send your footage off to blip... you key in a
title... i just saw something that might change the world... and 30
minutes or an hour later there it is, a post on your vlog... titled...
this might change the world and there's your clip... not in 3gp
format as you shot it, but in a very shareable and viewable flash...
and a nice mp4...

So what if maybe this ONE video clip of some kid getting tazzered at a
library might not actually change the world... yeah, probably not, but
maybe... just maybe the aggregate... of thousands and thousands of
people just like you... doing the same thing... civil servents of the
camera... doing their civic duty... shining camera's into all the dark
but also quite often wonderful corners of the world... and sharing
those videos with the click of a button... not in realtime but web
time... that sort of ubiquity, that instant access, press button
simplicity to shoot and share something with potentially the entire
world... maybe the aggregate of thousand and thousands of people
will.. maybe, one day change the world... maybe like an idea that's
time has come... in some sense it already has.


That or maybe you're just some guy who has a sub $100 digital camera
that takes some nice 320x240 video in AVI format... eww

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Blip adds Intros Outros

2007-01-10 Thread groups-yahoo-com

Wow... sometimes I proof read stuff, but often not or I'd never right
it... sorry about all the typos... if my brain stuttered, it's there.
:)

On 1/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So much to say I actually started to write an email twice, but I had to
 stop.

 It's brilliant!  I don't know where you get these crazy ideas from but
 keep it up! ;)

 I like Peter's idea btw... but I can expand on it GREATLY... this
 could well be only the tip of the iceberg.

 I say, save the source if you have the space on your servers. Why?
 Think about in the future creating blip projects think flickr
 groups... but it's not about simply sharing... they're PROJECT
 groups... they're about collaborative editing and organizing... either
 rough cut editing online (with original source videos!)... using
 blip's future online editing tools... or by downloading clips, editing
 and reuploading to the blip projects.

 Maybe... you just want to embrace the remix...

 Or maybe you steal apple's rip, mix burn slogan.

 And you adopt a strategy, of Shoot,  upload, mix, publish!

 Blip Projects would be descrete groups... like a pbwiki... or say
 this yahoo group... that can be public or private... or many stages
 inbetween.

 They could be used to collaborate... say... a vloggercon project for
 vloggers to upload raw footage to share publicly, organize and
 collaboratively edit.

 or what about offering some white label version of this to podtech
 or rocketboom and others with correspondents in the field.They
 got the correspondents go out in the field... covering CES, and
 macworld and they're to damn busy in the field to do any editing...
 they're not sleeping... they may be in bed... with each other even...
 but they're not sleeping... because it's CES...  so they upload the
 footage to their Podtech CES Project on blip.tv so the podtech
 editors who are well rested can organize, grab source and edit
 together shows.

 But that's not it... no. not by a long shot... because... what if you
 were in a war zone and wanted to vlog... and you had limited
 resources, editing time, software, tech, and broadband say you had
 a blog and it was called Alive in Bagdad and you needed some
 collaborative space to upload and share raw footage with your
 co-conspirators state-side with their fancy macbooks, and their
 broadband and editing software..

 But wait that's not it!?   What if you were in the bush in africa...
 like literally in the bush... shooting all this amazing footage of
 wild dogs, and elephents and lions and rhinos!? Oh... wait, that's
 wildcast.net!

 It's not like you'd have a broadband connection in the bush, nor a
 mobile editing station... maybe you'd upload some raw clips via sat
 phone and blips intro  outro tool would be GREAT for that!  Slapping
 an intro... a title sequence and an outro on it, transocding it to
 flash an mp4 and posting it all to your vlog... at wildcast.net

 But also may you could also upload some raw footage, some audio clips,
 some voice over material and what not to Project Wildcast on blip.tv
 and your conspirators in London could mix together some superb shows.

 But wait... maybe you're on the road... maybe you're covering a
 presidential campaign with three other people...  maybe that of John
 Edwards?   You're not all on the road at the same time but you
 need to be able to collaborate with your compadres to share the
 load... maybe you need some place to upload raw footage for your
 conspirators to edit and post?


 And let's not forget the original idea either... the idea of just
 having simple intro's and outros.

 Maybe you've got a video cameraphone... maybe it's a Nokia n70, or a
 N93 or N95 and let's say you shoot some footage of someone getting
 tazered in a library in california... or maybe you're on vacation and
 a tsunami hits... I don't know... use your imagination...

 The point is you can just hit the old share this video button on your
 phone... and you send your footage off to blip... you key in a
 title... i just saw something that might change the world... and 30
 minutes or an hour later there it is, a post on your vlog... titled...
 this might change the world and there's your clip... not in 3gp
 format as you shot it, but in a very shareable and viewable flash...
 and a nice mp4...

 So what if maybe this ONE video clip of some kid getting tazzered at a
 library might not actually change the world... yeah, probably not, but
 maybe... just maybe the aggregate... of thousands and thousands of
 people just like you... doing the same thing... civil servents of the
 camera... doing their civic duty... shining camera's into all the dark
 but also quite often wonderful corners of the world... and sharing
 those videos with the click of a button... not in realtime but web
 time... that sort of ubiquity, that instant access, press button
 simplicity to shoot and share something with potentially the entire
 world... maybe the aggregate

Re: [videoblogging] Widescreen video iphone

2007-01-09 Thread groups-yahoo-com

I'd like to point out, this changes the game for mobile web.

It remains to be seen how open the platform will be. But basically
it's a step toward extending the neutral and open web... the end to
end web to the mobile world.

There's still a lot of things that aren't clear. Will their the SDK be
purely for widget space... or will one be able to install a version of
Democracy sometime in the future... If it's not an open plaform how
long untill it's hacked and /or runnign a version of linux?

It definitely would seem that you'd have full unimpeded access to the
web via wifi if not via GSM.

The big issue... is now that wifi and GSM access are on the same
device... if the cellular carrier won't allow it then  you can just
pypass them all together.

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog
mefeedia.com

On 1/9/07, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Count on the € price being even worse.

 On 1/9/07, Loiez D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
499$ (4Go)
  599 $ ( 8Go)
 
  ARGH!
 
  Loiez
 
 
 


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Re: [videoblogging] how do i up my video size?

2007-01-08 Thread groups-yahoo-com

 in my
 video... I want to keep my horizontal dimension no larger than 420 how do i
 go about doing this.. and what are good dimensions? I use either 3ivx or
 h264 for my quicktime compression...

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Re: [videoblogging] CALL TO ARMS! was Re:MyHeavy

2007-01-06 Thread groups-yahoo-com

While there you go people!  I hope you're all listening!

Distribution is about more than just having a video on the internets.
Or having it in RSS.

The future of distribution... and profit!

May well lie in these social sites, aggregators, search engines and
the key may be creative commons copy left licensces that encourage
such actions combined with a little hard work and forgievness in this
conversation to establish a little netiquette for such things.

Look!  If you don't want all the power to go back to big media whom
will be lining up to make deals with these middle players and are
getting played to... then it's about time you start working a little
more progressively with these middle players.

The future might just lie in turning these players like MyHeavy into
our allies... or in just realizing they ARE on our side... and perhaps
forgiving them... and establishing an opt-in relationship and revenue
share deal to reach NEW markets... their market... to make a little
money on the side without cannibalizing or effecting your direct fans.
 You string enough of these syndicators and market middle men together
that can bring you a bit of exposure and money to audiences you
wouldn't reach otherwise and some of you just might start making a
living.

In fact I day say these middle men may well be an as yet undiscovered
key to the future business and industry of the media networks of
tomorrow.  Looking backward at cable, sattelite and film they were
key... and they haven't completely lost their utility yet it would
seem.

After all the key to the world wide web has ALWAYS been in search...
just ask google, yahoo, and every other giant mo-freaking company.  Do
these middle players NOT fit into that category?  Are they not
filterers?  Are they not a part of searching, finding and discovery?
Is that not ESSENTIALLY what social networks are?   Directories?
Aggregators?

I'm not just blowing smoke out my ass here. I truely think that the
space between... the bubble up space is in trmendous need. I say that
not just as a guy who's invested his time in mefeedia and many other
aggregators in this space, but as a designer, an architect, a producer
and a developer of web services... there MUST be better infrastructure
in netween your blog and the next guys.

Think about it this way... the reason youtube is kicking the open
vlogosphere's ass in attractive ness is it's the one place you KNOW
you can go to find all the latest and greatest videos online.

Mefeedia has failed to meet that demand... but who the hell else is
trying?  And why not?

Blogdigger.com/media is the only other place I know to find video and
audio in the open vlogosphere.

Google has COMPLETELY failed when it comes to video what is in their
core mission statement... which is to make the ENTIRE world wide web
searchable... in EVERY other arena google lets you search the entire
world wide web... news, images, files... but in video all google
searches is it's own fucking pool. And if that's all it searches then
we're fucked... the road has stopped coming to our front door and we
MUST battle our way back there.

Yahoo search is the biggest player whom because of media RSS covers
the vlogosphere and the world wide web when it comes to video
search... but even they have incredibly bastardized and skewed their
results toward their own videos... you want your net neutrality...
well it isn't just abotu the fucking pipes... it's being swiped from
you right under your noses and you don't even seen it.

Youtube DOMINATES the web video space because of a failure and a loss
for any competing company to successfully launch a search for video
that covers the entire web.

Ironicly mefeedia I think is the closest to overing the entire web for
video, and we only cover about 1.7 million items from the last two
years in the vlogging and audio podcasting space.  Sadly we haven't
had all the time and resorces to make our video search kick ass like
it could... sorry... we're stretched really thin, but we're working on
it.

It's really ashame everyone is so damn obsessed with hosting. I think
the real huge untapped potential is in the video search space and
noone's doing it well at all. We've got digg video.. we've got
dabble... we've got mefeedia... vlogdir... videobomb... fireant... who
else is in the search, filter, socialize video space... the pickings
are very slim when you consider there's several hundred video hosting
sites.  How's one to find a video on ALL those sites!?

Copyright is partly to blame... google got their ass sued off in image
search just for making thumbnails... and for displaying news headlines
for google news search. But slowly we are forging a new more copy-left
stance to allow middle players in video... and let me tell you middle
players that make sense out of the world wide web... that make the
freeways and biways that come to your front door are the most
important thing in this space... because without this
infrastructure... without you

Re: [videoblogging] MyHeavy.com Tinfoil Version...

2007-01-06 Thread groups-yahoo-com

, and contrary to the Johnson-Nixon era, there
  was no fear of the rabble storming the castle.

 Use your blog as your rabble rousing platform. Media are noticing.
 Investors read the media.

 http://newteevee.com/2007/01/04/myheavy-accused-of-splogging/

 -eddie



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Re: [videoblogging] The larger question of aggregation

Sounds good Mike.

Glad to see Blip is being proactive in representing vloggers best interests.

Your working with these companies set's good precidence for all
vloggers wether they use blip to host their vlog or otherwise.

-Mike
mefeedia.com
mmeiser.com/blog
evilvlog.com
intermediated.com

On 1/5/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi guys,

 There have been a lot of very interesting messages going back and forth
 on this list about the MyHeavy incident, and I've been reading all of
 them with considerable interest.  At blip.tv we've been working really
 hard on the issue of aggregation, striking deals with some of the major
 portals (you can control Yahoo! Video and AOL Video aggregation from the
 blip.tv dashboard, for example) and a lot of video aggregation start-ups
 (control panels for them coming soon).  In every case we've had to work
 through the issue of best practices, although in the case of Yahoo! and
 AOL the status quo was actually quite good.

 There are several things you'll find are common to all of the companies
 blip has chosen to work with on aggregation:

 * They are willing to identify the individual show, videoblog or video
 podcast in their index, and link to an appropriate site for that show.
 * They conduct video playback in the video's original player, rather
 than using their own player.
 * They generally link to a playback page on blip.tv, open it in a new
 window or an iframe.
 * In one way or another they make clear that the video content they're
 displaying is aggregated, and not originally uploaded to their services.
 * They do not insert advertising into the video viewing experience, but
 may insert advertising into the search and discovery experience.
 * They do not insert their own branding into the playback experience
 (although they may include branding on the surrounding page, it's
 reasonably clear that the branding applies to the *page* and not the
 *video*).
 * They provide support for individual content creator opt-out either by
 supporting MediaRSS restriction tags or hitting special RSS feeds that
 only contain videos from content creators who have approved (actively or
 passively) aggregation by the specific provider.

 There are several things that they don't do today that we would like
 them to do:

 * Support Creative Commons license metadata found in the feed.
 Redisplay it and abide, as necessary, by the terms.  We don't think this
 is a huge priority, though, because just about every CC license allows
 linking and playback with credit as long as advertising isn't inserted
 as part of the viewing experience.  As several people have noted, it
 seems to be acceptable and non-commercial in the eyes of the community
 if advertising is present in the search and browse experience.

 So what does this mean, and how does this e-mail add to the
 conversation?

 It means that there are a group of companies (including big companies)
 that are behaving responsibly when it comes to search, discovery and
 aggregation.  Second, it means that there is a set of industry-accepted
 best practices that have been endorsed by big players.  This means that
 the conversation needs to be a little different.  Our conversation about
 best practices should be solidly grounded in existing reality.  It
 strikes me that much of the conversation on this list ignores this
 precedent, and is attempting to create rules from scratch.  I don't
 think we need to do that.

 There have been a lot of questions about adding additional parameters to
 content licenses over and above those offered by Creative Commons.  I
 believe that this is premature.  You'll notice that the one thing that
 all of these aggregators don't do that we'd like them to do is parse,
 recognize and respect Creative Commons metadata.  It's premature to add
 additional metadata types.  Let's first get them to recognize and
 respect the ones we already have.

 Yours,

 Mike


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: upcoming Flash features of vPIP

It's getting pretty damn cool enric.

On 1/4/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I shall, thanks for the interest.

   -- Enric
   -==-
   http://www.cirne.com

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, taulpaulmpls
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Wow!  Nice Enric.  I'm debating on picking up a license for Flex 2.0
  and charting to see what we can do w/ video in AS 3.0.  Keep us
  abreast this project...Very cool!
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric enric@ wrote:
  
   I've made a custom version of vPIP for a customer, TechnoLawyer. The
   changes are in the included flash FLV player (cirneViewer.swf):
  
 - The flash player is larger, 450x340.
 - The visual interface is loaded dynamically based on instructions
   from an xml file.  So the interface is customizable.
 - The flash player can report views to a backend script (PHP, ASP,
  etc.)
 - The YouTube like features of Share and Replay buttons
   (customizable) are at the end of the video in Flash.
  
   The vPIP flash video is at:
  
   http://blog.technolawyer.com/2007/01/im_not_feeling_.html
  
   I'll start putting in this new version and documenting it in about a
   week or two.
  
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Re: [videoblogging] CALL TO ARMS! was Re:MyHeavy

 Companies
 Community Interest Companies (CICS) are limited companies with special
 additional features created for the use of people who want to conduct
 a business or other activity for community benefit, and not purely for
 private advantage. This is achieved by a community interest test and
 asset lock, which ensure that the CIC is established for community
 purposes and the assets and profits are dedicated to these
 purposes.Registration of a company as a CIC has to be approved by the
 Regulator who also has a continuing monitoring and enforcement role.

 Wibble!

 Steve Elbows

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, schlomo rabinowitz
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I agree with you Mike that Litigation is expensive and difficult, but
  honestly, heavy.com can afford to pay for back revenues they have
  generated.  That's all I want.
 
  In Web2.0 Land, part of the money-making scheme is having users
  populate a site with content to make the site valuable.  We have
  brought value to heavy.com and some sort of compensation should be
  asked for.
 
  It's the beginning of the year; perfect time for tipping over large
  monuments.  Or rattling cages.  Or just asserting the fact that what I
  do has some value to these companies.  YOU BRING VALUE TO MULTIPLE WEB
  COMPANIES.  Time to get paid when someone steps up and takes your
  value for granted.
 
  And then, with this money, maybe we could have a slush fund to help
  others.  (Though I just want to give my part to blip.tv to pay for
  hosting for the last year!:)
 
  We are ripe for a beautiful lawsuit.  One that will take these
  companies to task and make a new chapter in the Court of Copyright.
  This is trail-blazing stuff that can affect online video makers for
  the foreseeable future.
 
  I'm serious.  I haven't had coffee yet, and I'm still ready to sue!
  (I hope this doesn't make me sound like a Sue-Happy American, I'm not
  really like that.  I just think this is important to lock down.)
 
  Schlomo
  http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
  http://hatfactory.net
  http://evilvlog.com
 
  On 1/4/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Litigation is expensive and difficult. I've been on the phone with
them, and I'm hopeful that we can resolve this issue with simple
communication and without the need for lawyers. That said, if we have
to, we'll have our attorneys send them a nastygram. We're not at that
point yet, though. Soon, maybe.
  
 





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Re: [videoblogging] Re:MyHeavy

LOL. Mike H. for mayor of vloglandia!

LOL

Seriously though. Get pissed. But bargain. This is a huge opportunity
to establish a working relationship with a company that knows how to
do broadband advertising.

You'll all make nothing if you sue... but you could all make a lot and
earn a lot if you use the power you now have over MyHeavy.com to
broker a revenue share and an opt in advertising deal.

These people know how to make money for you. Hire a lawyer... twist
their arm... but negotiate.

That said I realize not all... probably most of you aren't even
interested in commercializing your vlogs... they're for your family or
friends... but throw in with your friends... unite... and help
everyone out.

Like I said... this is an opportunity for vloggers to get paid. Rev share.

Experiment. Reach a new market you wouldn't otherwise reach. Without
compromising your current viewers, and without compromising your
ability to work with other venders.

Do it!

vloggers unite!

Go bots unite.. and stuff...

:)

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog


On 1/4/07, Paul Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, mine has disappeared from Heavy, I did send them an e-mail, but
 they didn't get back to me.

 Thanks again, Mike, ever thought of running for President or at least
 Mayor of New York??

 Paul Knight

 On 4 Jan 2007, at 16:23, Mike Hudack wrote:

  Litigation is expensive and difficult. I've been on the phone with
  them, and I'm hopeful that we can resolve this issue with simple
  communication and without the need for lawyers. That said, if we have
  to, we'll have our attorneys send them a nastygram. We're not at that
  point yet, though. Soon, maybe.
 
   -Original Message-
   From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of danielmcvicar
   Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:10 AM
   To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [videoblogging] Re:MyHeavy
  
   I am glad to see this outrage...MyHeavy went too far. There
   is clearly a cause of action with damages. Is it time for a
   class action
   suit? Is there a NY lawyer around?
  
   Or perhaps a better way would be for all vloggers in NY to
   take MyHeavy to small claims court for the maximum.
  
   Ten small claims suits would be interesting to see. They are
   easy to file, and MyHeavy must devote resources to fighting them.
  
   The first step in a small claims action, at least here in
   California, is to demand payment.
  
   Where is MyHeavy's address? Who is running this company?
   D
  
  
  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Heavy.com, the NYC-based broadband video firm, has received $12.

It's like 59bloggers all over again.

Let's find ways to be more constructive... how about adding an
adendum... about heavy using it's unique abilities with advertising to
make money for vloggers.

Opportunity, opportunity, opportunity.

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog

On 1/4/07, Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I met Bob Metcalfe earlier this year, and I sent him a heads up.

 -K, askaninja.com

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Aldon Hynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I wrote a fairly long blog entry about this on my blog,
  http://www.orient-lodge.com/node/2117
  Heavy.com and the dangers of social network investing
 
  I'm forwarding this on to some investors that I know.  For those of
 you who
  have had your work improperly placed on heavy.com, can any of you
 provide me
  with specific links?
 
  Do any of you have other comments about my blog entry, or my dealing
 with
  the investors?
 
  Aldon
 





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Re: [videoblogging] why it's important to get angry

While we're at it how come no-one is getting mad about iTunes not
providing any permalinks or link backs back to the original blog post?

It's something that's infuriated me since iTunes has come out.

Apple is using vloggers and podcasters to drive millions of people
through the itunes directory to sell them mainstream media off the
backs of our traffic.  Tell me who the fuck else is encouraging people
to download itunes?  Who has thousands and thousands of links from
websites all over the web that launch itunes and take people directly
into the itunes store?   Is it music labels and movie houses.  I don't
fucking think so, and apple doesn't even have the courtesy to throw me
a goddam permalink.

So forgive me if I say what the fuck... why do you care so much about
heavy making money off your shit without giving you a little attrib
and a link back and not iTunes!?  Is it because MyHeavy is so damn
obvious... or is because MyHeavy does it in a web browser and apple
does it in a piece of software?

If you want to sue someone sue Apple. They're dienfranchising
thousands of podcasters and videobloggers and depriving them of
tremendous amounts of opprotunities to connect with their users and
provide them with ads... or sell them their own independant music and
movies that by the way isn't in it the iTunes store.  Nope! You're the
free advertising that brings people in to sell them the real music and
advertising.

Congrats!

Apple itunes... add it to to the list of youtube to places the
independant media maker builds all the value and yet makes none of the
money.

For christ sake I can't believe I have to point it out again... you
know all that shit from vloggercon about the internet not coming to
your front door... while it's not just about net neutrality, it's
already happening and I can't find enough videobloggers and podcasters
who give a shit to tell apple we won't stand for it.

So fcuk it.

I'm a one man chorus on the give me some damn permalinks in itunes front.

But maybe we can kick around heavy.. someone who might actualy do
something for us.

Peace,

-Mike

On 1/4/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   And since it's earlly days still, I think we HAVE to shout out about
   this. We have to make a fuzz. We have to sue, if necessary. If not,
   100s of other companies will do the same. We have to set the rules, or
   they will set them, and that won't be good. And that's why it's good
   to get angry. Because it makes us take the time to send that email,
   although we know we won't get a response, to write that blogpost,
   although it's just a blogpost, to digg that digglink, and so on.

 agreed.
 As Peter metioned in his talk at Vloggeron, companies will still
 listen to us in these early days.
 we are all helping shape the way online video works in these social
 networks.
 We can help shape the healthy habits.

 Video sites should provide linkbacks to the original blog post/hosting page.
 This should be normal and obvious.

 I also host much of my video on Blip.tv because it is the only video
 hosting site that allows me to attach a CC license to my video when I
 upload. (there should be more!)
 This license is in the Blip RSS feed.
 Any company can read the feed and see how they can use my video.
 This should be normal and obvious.

 If we dont speak up as Creators in these early daysno one will
 care when bad habits are formed and everyone is making money down the
 line.

 Remember, we are not talking about spam blogs who are impossible to
 deal withexcept through URL redirects.
 These are funded companies who are trying to do legitimate business.
 I have no hate for MyHeavy; I assume they'll fix their habits after today.
 Veoh and Network2 did a great job becoming more responsible.

 We're building an ecologyand what Creators want need to be in the
 center.

 Jay


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com, a call for discussion on proper re-vlogging ettiquette

I think the creative commons licenses actually do a really good job of
outlining vloggers rights and what we expect.

Maybe we should concentrate on where they fail to reflect what we
expect and then maybe see about getting them updated or possibly
proposing a creative commons videoblogger's license to encourage fair
and proper use and discourage misuse.

Am I right in that most videobloggers allow non-commercial use as long
as it contains attribution. Maybe that's a good place to start.

It does represent many of the points I mentioned originally, but it
does also allow for transcoding and/or rehosting interestingly
enough... as long as it is for non-commercial purposes.

I really think moving forward we owe it to new players like
Network2.tv to give a clear outline of what they can do without asking
our individual permission because ultimately such intermediaries can
really help us.

Where would the vlogosphere be without revlogging, guides, directories
and search engines?

The thing is I think Creative Commons is advanced enough and
implimented in a widespread enough fassion in things like RSS, media
RSS and microstandards that we can really start using it.

-Mike

On 1/5/07, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is a great discussion and I'm pleased it's occurring as a result
 of the MyHeavy.com incident.  As with many ethical questions that
 involve both legal and social criteria, one can use the `reasonable
 person' concept to assess the situation.  For example, it's clearly
 wrong (and illegal) for me to sell for commercial profit someone
 else's CC licensed video that states no commercial reuse.  But can I
 resell that video for fund-raising for a non-profit?  The reasonable
 person would say no.  Can I repackage it and distribute it if it's a
 very small part of the total video content of a commercially sold
 aggregation?  The reasonable person would say no.  The responsibility
 is on the aggregator, collector, or re-distributor to get permission
 for re-use and cannot be placed on the creator.  Copyright law (and
 ethics) states that the creator owns his material for some period
 (too long, probably).  For any business to assume they can profit in
 any way from the work of someone else, no matter how small, is
 illegal and unethical.  It doesn't matter how easily co-opting
 someone else's work is, the assumption has to be that you don't do
 it.  If I were to enter my neighbor's house without permission and
 take something and the cops showed up to arrest me, how well would my
 defense work if it was merely, the door was open and there was no
 sign saying I couldn't help myself.  It wouldn't.  The culturally
 understood norm is that what's not yours is not yours and you must
 get permission to use it.  To put the responsibility on the creator
 to blacklist everyone he doesn't want to grant access is too onerous,
 it's too costly.

 -David

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@
 wrote:
  
   So ideally the starting point should be that everyone knows, and
   should assume, that they have very limited rights to your work,
 unless
   they see a creative commons license that gives them extra rights.
  
   Cheers
  
   Steve Elbows
 
  + 1,000! :D
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses

2007-01-04 Thread groups-yahoo-com

 etiquette in the vlogosphere.

I'd reccommend starting another post called a call for discussion on
re-vlogging ettiquette or some such and tackling this issue. I think
we all have a pretty good idea

1) clear attribution - the vlog name at a minimum, and the original
post title if possible.

2) clear permalink back to the original blog post

3) no commercial usage, and no ads in the proximity of any embeded
video unless permission is otherwise granted... i.e. no advertising on
any page with an embeded video without explicit permission.

4) no transcoding or rehosting the video without permission

5) the licensce should be displayed if declared

7) sharing features such as email this, post to your blog, and
others... must follow the share-a-like principal.  In other words they
MUST at a minimum contain a direct link to the original post
(permalink)... and the original video.  No bouncing or redirecting or
obscuring of these urls should be allowed.

Anyway,

That's my start.

As mentioned above, I have a whole article on this. From back in the
day when Delicious started supporting media.  It was at the time
perhaps the first platform besides mefeedia where users could widely
re-blog media.

http://mmeiser.com/wiki/index.php/Mike%27s_guide_to_re-vlogging_ettiquette

Looking back now the thing is still as on point as when I wrote it...
about a year and a half ago... maybe more.

Perhaps it is time for an update.

Anyone want to collaborate on a whole new article?

Feel free to use my article, and my wiki if you like. That's what it's
there fore. Even better if there is some other community vlogging wiki
space people are using now?

Peace,

-Mike
mefeedia.com
mmeiser.com/blog

On 1/4/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We're embedding two types of control metadata in our RSS right now.

 First up is Creative Commons metadata using the creativeCommons
 namespace:

 creativeCommons:licensehttp://address.of.license/foo/bar//creativeCom
 mons:license

 Second is MediaRSS aggregation restriction:

 media:restriction relationship=deny
 type=uriurn:yahoo/media:restriction

 One of the things we'll be working with MyHeavy on is their respect for
 media:restriction.

  -Original Message-
  From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WWWhatsup
  Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:28 PM
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding
  Vlogger CC Licenses
 
  Mike Hudack wrote:
  They have disabled their aggregation functionality entirely for the
  time being.  I just got off the phone with their CEO, who
  was very contrite.
  We'll be meeting with them next week to figure out how to do this
  right, and allow people to opt in and out from blip using MediaRSS.
 
 
  Presumably this will be a tag anyone can use?
 
  There is no licence tag in MediaRSS at present right?
 
  joly
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: tubular, a video aggregator for youtube

2007-01-01 Thread groups-yahoo-com

Happy new year all.

I'm really glad I posted that. Jan, Bill, Enric, and Mike Moon, thanks
for the unique perspectives.

We need more reminders of why real people on an individual level vlog.

It's likely if everyone responded no two responses would be the same.

I needed the refresher course.

-Mike

On 1/1/07, Jan / The Faux Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Previously written:

 Similarly, what kind of numbers would independent video podcasts do
 if they made a
  YouTube channel?  That could best be answered by people/groups that
 have their videos
  both on YouTube and some non-YouTube site like blip, revver or brightcove.

 Tend to put my videos up wherever, including a few on YouTube, where I
 get bupkiss probably because I don't socialize or market there. The
 temptation was to dive in and promote on YouTube but as usual, pride
 kept me from diving into the already-crowded pool.

 Prefer the wide open spaces where pioneers go - the vlogosphere.

 Prefer freedom  choice.

 Blip gives me both on all fronts, including intellectual property,
 format, ease of use, and where I choose to call 'home'.

 I'd like to see the vlogosphere spend an intensive month invading
 YouTube and its environs  denizens, making comment and video points
 concerning the freedom of the vlogosphere and what that means. Can we
 make February or March YouTube Month in the vlogosphere? Let's mash
 'em up and link 'em and praise 'em like crazy. Evangelize YouTube.
 Concerted effort.

 Happy New Year!
 Jan

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Irina is on boingboing today for SNL parody, boobs in a box

2006-12-27 Thread groups-yahoo-com

What I love most about viral media is it's so... long tail.

Those outside of the obscura, not in the know, would ironically
interpret it as niave when in fact it is the very height of visual and
languistic fashion.

It's the way I've felt for a long time about a certain class of film
and comedy that comes out of the midewest and canada... it's very much
traceable back to the kids in the hall, but there are atleast half a
dozen movies from the midwest and canada that take a departure down
this road. Movies most have never heard of, like American Movie and
it's counterpart Koven... or a movie I just discovered called Project
Grizzley from Canada.

The point is the new frontier is that universe beteween brilliance and
the mundane, exploring the sophisticated side of asethetics and visual
language.

This is very much what the art of the remix is all about. Those not
having seen dick in the box would probably not get the boob in a box
remix at all. But the beutiful thing is it's an abstraction and
exporation of of an aesthetical language. There have undoubtedly been
dozens of remixes before and since boobs in a box and you can trace
there evolution forward and backward... probably maing a study of
where the lonely island guys got the idea from.

Sometimes these even become an entire distinct microgenre... much like
the movie trailer remix has become. It's truely brilliant. And yet to
outsiders it appears as nothing more than another bad video on
youtube.

On 12/27/06, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Irina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  the wierdest thing to get used to is all the ppl
  who take time out to tell me how much i suck! LOL

 It could have been worse! hahahaha

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Re: [videoblogging] NYTimes videos have greatly improved

2006-12-26 Thread groups-yahoo-com

LOL, Well put Verdi.

It's definitely a huge improvement. Atleast they've learned something
from the success of youtube.

It's atleast a video in a page, witha bookmarkable and referenceable
url, not a popout window, or some monolithic rich media interface

And they've used flash, which improves the experience.

Also, the video itself is pretty cool.  Just a guy talking to another guy.

Lost is any subscription mechanism... anyway, to say, heh this is
cool I'd like to be notified about future pieces like this... wait I
retract that they have an RSS feed of some sort

They also have a mechanism for bookmarking the video on NYtimes... so
you can find it again, that's cool.

Searchability and findability is greatly improved by the fact that it
is embeded in a page and their is atleast some accompanying meta
information.

Just about the only things I see are

1) they're missing is a downloadable, podcastable version of the
video. That's not actually that bad.

2) their RSS feeds are contain no enclosures, extremely sparse textual
discriptions of the videos, and no media RSS... pretty much not so
useful.

3) they fail to acknowlege or encourage embedding their videos in a
blog or linking to them directly.


Anyway, it's not great, but it's a thousand fold improvement from
recent history.

All in all... it's not something I'd ever bother to watch though.

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog
mefeedia.com

On 12/26/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That is amazing! Wow! The NY Times has caught up to where people in this
 group were in 2004!

 -Verdi

 On 12/26/06, contactmica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
A far cry from where they started earlier this year.
  This one should not be missed:
 
 
 http://video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=7f5f12d1d283eab9a377567c6ee362b6cc76ceb7rf=bm
 
 
 



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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

2006-12-25 Thread groups-yahoo-com

Well, at least we've progressed beyond the perverbial if your not a
part of the solution you're a part of the problem stage.

While being on abc's site has plenty of markeitng clout, I have no
doubt that ABC... wether because someone there listens to the
blogosphere, us or amanda... will come around.  After all amanda does
have many other vlogs like starring.amandacongdon.com that will
illustrate over time the importance of accessibility.

Some have misconstued this as a debate over the definition of a
vlog... whatever... get over it... sorry to have mislead in the title.

My point is there is a reason for all the constructs in vlogging. And
that point is accessibility and usability. I could give a crap less
about what people want to call it, but without many of the core
fundamental features in a blog like permalinks, and an archive it'll
be hard to get and retain regular viewership.

-Mike

On 12/23/06, Zack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is confusing to me. Didn't she formerly complain about
 the mainstream media (MSM)? Yet now she's a part of it?

 Bill Cammack wrote:
 
  Here's the press release, for those of you that aren't aware of what
  ABC's goals are:
 
  --
  http://www.abcmedia net.com/pressrel /dispDNR. html?id=111406_
  02from=mnsearch
 
 http://www.abcmedianet.com/pressrel/dispDNR.html?id=111406_02from=mnsearch
 
  ABC Television Network
  PRESS RELEASE - ENTERTAINMENT - BLOGGER AMANDA CONGDON JOINS ABC NEWS'
  DIGITAL MEDIA GROUP
  Print This Document
  (note: To use this function, upgrade your browser: Quick Download)
 
  VIDEO BLOGGER AMANDA CONGDON JOINS ABC NEWS DIGITAL MEDIA GROUP AS A
  CONTRIBUTOR
 
 
  Dedicated to expanding its network and channel brands across multiple
  platforms and
  connecting viewers with their favorite shows anytime and anywhere,
  Disney-ABC
  Television Group announced today that Amanda Congdon has joined ABC
  News Digital
  Media Group as a contributor. In this role she will primarily
  contribute through a weekly
  video blog on the network's online component, ABCNEWS.com, and
  frequently appear on
  the 24-hour digital channel, ABC News Now.
 
  We are excited about the addition of Amanda and her unique,
  insightful approach to our
  team said Albert Cheng, executive vice president, Digital Media,
  Disney-ABC Television
  Group. Her background and proven ability to effortlessly blend news
  and pop culture will
  be invaluable assets as we continue to evolve how we deliver news and
  information across
  our digital platforms.
 
  I am very pleased to be joining the Disney-ABC Television Group team.
  They are breaking
  new ground online and I am eager to forge ahead with them, said Ms.
  Congdon. Many
  people use the internet as their #1 news source, so it's exciting that
  a major news provider
  like ABC News is actively expanding their original program offerings
  in the space.
 
  Ms. Congdon recently traveled across the country as part of her
  AmandaAcrossAmerica
  project, where she chronicled her experiences via video blogging,
  which included
  interviewing Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack. Prior to her nationwide tour,
  she was the well-
  known host of the daily online news show, Rocketboom.com. Ms. Congdon
  graduated
  magna cum laude from Northwestern University and currently resides in
  Los Angeles.
 
  The ABC News Digital Media group continues to show incredible growth
  through both
  ABCNEWS.com and ABC News Now. ABCNEWS.com hit a five-year high in
  October with
  more than 138 million page views, showing a 77% increase from October
  2005, according
  to an internal measurement tool. The site recently ranked seventh
  among all news sites,
  drawing its highest ranking in nearly three years. ABC News Now is one
  of the most widely
  distributed broadband channels, available to over 27 million broadband
  subscribers, and
  is innovating the marketplace with its own line of viewer-generated
  programming, Be
  Seen and Be Heard.
 
  This announcement is part of the Disney-ABC Television Group's overall
  Digital Media
  multiplatform business initiative and demonstrates the Group's ongoing
  commitment to
  launching new digital products and working with strategic partners in
  the digital media
  space to make its high-quality, informative and entertaining content
  available to
  consumers whenever and wherever they choose.
 
  Media Contacts:
  Paige Capossela, ABC News, (212) 456-7243
  Karen Hobson, Disney-ABC Television Group, (818) 569-7789
  Michael Donkis, Endeavor, (310) 246 -3390
 
   -
 
  --- In videoblogging@ yahoogroups. com
  mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Exactly Peter,
  
   ABC, is completely ignorant of the the potential of vidoe on the web
   and just replicating the sam ol' sh*t that worked on TV, but now's the
   chance to send a message and make a point. To clue big media in, and
   to help Amanda out.
  
   Amanda

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

2006-12-22 Thread groups-yahoo-com

Heh, my argument is VERY simple.

All I'm saying is it's not a blog.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog

You can argue all day about wether it has videos or not, but it ain't
no blog. :)

I would tend to think that if it ain't no blog that this would make it
certainly by definition no videoblog.

If you call this thing qualifies as a blog you mine as well call any
and every page on the web a blog.

Besides... it's not about what you call it. It's about what it does...
and it has not a single mechanism that blogs tend to have that make
them useful tools for communication.

So... if it is a blog or even a video blog, you must admit it's one of
the worst damn blogs evar.

This completely despite Amanda, her winning personal verbals stylings,
personality and choicey news bits. Which I hear are in there
somewhere, burried behind a mess of ads and popout windows.

I think.

Maybe.

Peace,

-Mike

On 12/22/06, Charles Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks for that suggestion.  I will pass it along!




 

   From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard (Show) Hall
   Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 15:21
   To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog
   
   

   Should this be available via the amanda accross america feed?
   
   On 12/22/06, Charles Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:charles%40blip.tv  wrote:
   
Amanda is still maintaining her vlog! She just posted a video
 there
today, in fact.
   
Starring Amanda Congdon
 http://blip.tv/users/view/amandacongdon
 http://blip.tv/users/view/amandacongdon 
   
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Fireant podcatcher for the zune

2006-12-16 Thread groups-yahoo-com

 Zune owners a usable way to catch
  downloadable content. It would be as if Josh and the team invented
  iTunes before Apple.
 
  DISCLOSURE: We work professionally with Fireant.
 
  BACK DISCLOSURE: I'm a big fan of Josh's work, and Jay and everyone
  behind the heart and DNA of FireAnt. And I give their full team credit
  with making a big buzz on a device that is scraping to get coverage.
 
  --Chris...
 





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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Fireant podcatcher for the zune

2006-12-15 Thread groups-yahoo-com

BTW, if you don't mind me asking who's the windows developer?

On 12/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sweet Josh,

 I'm glad to hear it's a rewrite.  The previous Windows version was
 very complicated and had some confusing workflow issues.  Nothing bad,
 but sometimes in the process of developing and experimenting you need
 to burn down the code base a little and really figure out what's
 important and simplify.

 I can't wait to try it out.

 As for the mac version. It hasn't updated in so long I can't remember,
 but it still really rules. Democracy has come a long way I really like
 the last version and have used it heavily, but Fireant I think is
 still the best for the mac. Which is pretty damn impressive
 considering all the time off. Can't wait to see where it goes next.

 Peace,

 -Mike
 mefeedia.com
 mmeiser.com/blog/

 On 12/14/06, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Other new 'features' I havent seen mentioned yet include adverts for
  zune-related hardware from amazon appearing in a window at bottom of
  screen, and the use of network2.tv's program guide.
 
  The missing feature that would make it a perfect fit for Fune owners
  is the ability to convert non-zune-playable formats into something the
  zune can handle automatically.
 
  Is the man who developed the earlier Mac versions still part of the
  team or not?
 
  Cheers
 
  Steve Elbows
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Meanwhile, us mac users stand in the wings with the old version...
  what is
   it a year now without updates?
  
   On 12/14/06, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
  Hey Josh.
Good luck with the brandable app business.
   
I booted up my PC and downloaded it.
Couldnt get things going :(
Here is a screengrab:
http://spreadthemedia.org/files/feedyourzune_crash.jpg
   
Should I clean out the fireant app first?
   
The UI looked pretty slick from what i did see.
   
Thanks,
   
Sull
   
On 12/14/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] jkinberg%40gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi all,

 We haven't really posted about this one here yet... glad someone
  else
 broke the news. We were mostly trying to hit our target launch
  date to
 coincide with the Zune launch, and by all accounts, FeedYourZune
  had a
 very successful launch and filled an important niche that Microsoft
 left out of their initial product offering with the Zune.

 This version of FireAnt is completely new and redesigned --
  definitely
 not the same old windows version. Please download and let us know
 what you think. FeedYourZune is the result of a lot of hard work
  over
 the past few months to re-architect FireAnt -- which is still
 in-progress. Expect more to come soon...

 In addition to the entirely redesigned UI, one of the other main
 features is that FireAnt can be easily branded/skinned. Over the
  next
 several months, we plan to launch several different powererd by
 FireAnt branded media players with various partners.

 Please stay tuned for much more to come...

 Looking forward to your feedback!

 Best,
 Josh

 http://FireAnt.tv
 http://FeedYourZune.com


 On 12/14/06, Mike Meiser
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.com
groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.com
 wrote:
  I assume it's just the same old windows version of fireant,
  but it's
 black,
  and has a new name.
 
  They should have made it mocha like zune's most infamous
  color. :)
 
  Just joking though, I'm really pleased to see Fireant siezing the
 moment.
 
  -Mike
  mefeedia.com
  mmeiser.com/blog
 
  On 12/13/06, Nathan Freitas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  nathan%40cruxy.comnathan%40cruxy.com
 wrote:
  
   Woah that looks awesome! If only the Zune was worthy of
  FireAnt ;)
  
   +nathan
  
   Mike Meiser wrote:
   
Anyone notice this?
   
http://www.feedyour zune.com/ http://www.feedyourzune.com/
   
Imagine my suprise, I just stumbled on it at random and
  noticed it
 said
powered by fireant.
   
Way to hit the nail on the head Fireant crew.
   
-Mike
mefeedia.com
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Fireant podcatcher for the zune

2006-12-15 Thread groups-yahoo-com

Sweet Josh,

I'm glad to hear it's a rewrite.  The previous Windows version was
very complicated and had some confusing workflow issues.  Nothing bad,
but sometimes in the process of developing and experimenting you need
to burn down the code base a little and really figure out what's
important and simplify.

I can't wait to try it out.

As for the mac version. It hasn't updated in so long I can't remember,
but it still really rules. Democracy has come a long way I really like
the last version and have used it heavily, but Fireant I think is
still the best for the mac. Which is pretty damn impressive
considering all the time off. Can't wait to see where it goes next.

Peace,

-Mike
mefeedia.com
mmeiser.com/blog/

On 12/14/06, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Other new 'features' I havent seen mentioned yet include adverts for
 zune-related hardware from amazon appearing in a window at bottom of
 screen, and the use of network2.tv's program guide.

 The missing feature that would make it a perfect fit for Fune owners
 is the ability to convert non-zune-playable formats into something the
 zune can handle automatically.

 Is the man who developed the earlier Mac versions still part of the
 team or not?

 Cheers

 Steve Elbows

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Meanwhile, us mac users stand in the wings with the old version...
 what is
  it a year now without updates?
 
  On 12/14/06, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 Hey Josh.
   Good luck with the brandable app business.
  
   I booted up my PC and downloaded it.
   Couldnt get things going :(
   Here is a screengrab:
   http://spreadthemedia.org/files/feedyourzune_crash.jpg
  
   Should I clean out the fireant app first?
  
   The UI looked pretty slick from what i did see.
  
   Thanks,
  
   Sull
  
   On 12/14/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] jkinberg%40gmail.com
   wrote:
   
Hi all,
   
We haven't really posted about this one here yet... glad someone
 else
broke the news. We were mostly trying to hit our target launch
 date to
coincide with the Zune launch, and by all accounts, FeedYourZune
 had a
very successful launch and filled an important niche that Microsoft
left out of their initial product offering with the Zune.
   
This version of FireAnt is completely new and redesigned --
 definitely
not the same old windows version. Please download and let us know
what you think. FeedYourZune is the result of a lot of hard work
 over
the past few months to re-architect FireAnt -- which is still
in-progress. Expect more to come soon...
   
In addition to the entirely redesigned UI, one of the other main
features is that FireAnt can be easily branded/skinned. Over the
 next
several months, we plan to launch several different powererd by
FireAnt branded media players with various partners.
   
Please stay tuned for much more to come...
   
Looking forward to your feedback!
   
Best,
Josh
   
http://FireAnt.tv
http://FeedYourZune.com
   
   
On 12/14/06, Mike Meiser
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.com
   groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.com
wrote:
 I assume it's just the same old windows version of fireant,
 but it's
black,
 and has a new name.

 They should have made it mocha like zune's most infamous
 color. :)

 Just joking though, I'm really pleased to see Fireant siezing the
moment.

 -Mike
 mefeedia.com
 mmeiser.com/blog

 On 12/13/06, Nathan Freitas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 nathan%40cruxy.comnathan%40cruxy.com
wrote:
 
  Woah that looks awesome! If only the Zune was worthy of
 FireAnt ;)
 
  +nathan
 
  Mike Meiser wrote:
  
   Anyone notice this?
  
   http://www.feedyour zune.com/ http://www.feedyourzune.com/
  
   Imagine my suprise, I just stumbled on it at random and
 noticed it
said
   powered by fireant.
  
   Way to hit the nail on the head Fireant crew.
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Akimbo...does anyone use this? Can you offer a review?

2006-12-09 Thread groups-yahoo-com

... is Akimbo going to broker
deals with all of them?  Are they going to presume they know what the
ten, or 20, or 100, or even 1000 best are for their customers.  Am I
going to get a sanitized list of Akimbo approved podcasts, or are they
just going to get a clue and open up their box so the people can
listen to what THEY want to listen to.

This is not cable TV... the value isn't in the top 10% of TV shows,
it's been said time and time again, the value is in the mother fu'in
tail!

Well, I've gone this far, so I mine as well go all the way.

I've been talking about this infinitely over at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mobilemediaworkgroup/

There's a very simple solution

1) support RSS2.0 w/enclosures and mediaRSS on the device

2) build either a simple web based API, or if you got the skills put a
basic web browser with the capability to idenitfy and subscribe to RSS
feeds

There's no need for a directory... there are plenty from odeo, to
mefeedia, to a hundred others.   A hardware maker should NOT be trying
to make their own guide to the web... it's way out of their core
competency... this is exactly what AOL did... and it got it's aarse
kicked trying to compete with 100,000 other webs and search services
like yahoo and google that sprung up.  Microsoft is making the same
mistake with their portal.  Netscape made it with their search and
directory.  And these are major players, not independant or OEM
harware companies.

As an alternative to point #2 if you don't even have a browser on your
hardware that's not a problem.

Just tie the harware to a webservice, and build a web API.

It's actually much more intelligent to give your users a web based
interface for managing the subscriptions on their Akimbo.  Why?
Because it's MUCH easier to update and improve a webservice then it is
the firmware on piece of hardware in someone's living room.

Simply put the web based API should have a sinlge click button API and
maybe a browser bookmarklet like every web based subscription
management service from bloglines to itunes, to Democracy, to
mefeedia.

Let the web and all it's various services do all the work. There's
pleny of search engines and directories who's core competency is
making sense out podcasts and video blogs.

Anyway, I'm harsh, but hopefully people can appreciate that I'm just
trying to keep it real. I don't dislike Akimbo... what I dislike is
huge missed opportunities.

I want a freaking press release that says Akimbo brings 100% of video
blogs and podcasts to your TV...   Now THAT might might sell some
freaking Akimbo's... or at the very least show up on the top ten list
of things you can do with your Akimbo not akimbo allows you to
view *select* videoblogs.

Anyway, I want to see it happen... so I offer my services Akimbo and
anyone with  hardware to see it happen.  Growing the platform for
videoblogging and podcasting *beyond the desktop* is a tremendously
important next step for the vlogging and podcasting space. It will
explode the value of such things, change the whole dynamic of the
media world.  As vlogs and podcasts and photocasts become a ubiquitous
part of our everyday lives it will literally change the world media
scape.  It will enhance the COMMUNICATIONS value of videoblogging and
podcasting, which is what this is all about, not merely news and
entertainment and viral video.

But it is ALL or nothing. Every videoblog and audio podcast or
nothing. Not because I say so... because I'm just some average schmo
(or was that shmoo ;), but because without every podcast and videoblog
having access to these new platforms like akimbo, they ARE nothing.
The true test is simply, can I subscribe to my friend Bill Streeter,
Jay Dedman, Chris Weagel, Ryanne, [insert your friend's name here] on
this device. If the device is NO to ANY of the above then why would
you buy this mother fucking device.

Amen.

Peace out mother fuckers.  I love a good saturday rant.

:)

P.S.  So Mike H.  So my case has been said. I love blip. But why did
you waste any time with Akimbo if Akimbo hasn't give any indication
they're interested in supporting the entire vlogosphere... It would
seem like me to be a misallocation of resources, no matter how easy to
impliment.  A mean, why waste your time on something that shouldn't
even be on your top 20 list of bulleted features.  Unless,  is Akimbo
paying you?

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog
mefeedia.com

Disclaimer: You all know this is just my stage character right?  :)

Please feel free to forward this to Akimbo, or whomever your favorite
hardware manufacturer is or blog it.. though I seriously doubt it's
worthiness to blog.

On 12/9/06, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't personally have an Akimbo set-top box, but I did play with one
 extensively at the Akimbo offices in the valley.  I found the experience
 to be incredibly fantastic.

  -Original Message-
  From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of awarner20
  Sent: Saturday

Re: Re: [videoblogging] Paul Knight's Interview on the BBC

2006-12-09 Thread groups-yahoo-com

Again.

It rulez, thanks paul.

-Mike

On 12/9/06, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Such a turnaround, and s fast you made it happen Paul.  Way to go!

 Aloha,

 Rox


 On 12/8/06, CarLBanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
  That was REALLY good Paul! I can't wait to goto the movie theater and see
   Space: The MOVIE!
 
 
   On 12/8/06, Loiez D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Great Paul !
Thx for your work
   
But where is the cat now ?
   
Amitiés
Loiez
 shameless promo:
An interview of Rosangela Renno actually
on my vlog (translate in english)
Rosangela Renno is one of the best artist in Brasil ( OMHO)
   
http://xi-vlog.loiez.org/2006/12/respect_.php
   
End of the shameless promo
   
Le 8 déc. 06 à 17:40, Paul Knight a écrit :
   
 Hi guys,

 As many of you know, I was interviewed on the Morning Programme by
 John Holmes on BBC Radio Nottingham on the 7th December 2006, they
 gave me rights to video it and I have made the thing available for
 all to download or at least watch.

 http://blip.tv/file/get/Pjkproductions-PaulTheBBCAuntiesPlace117.mov

 http://blip.tv/file/get/Pjkproductions-
 paulTheBBCAuntiesPlacePart2403.mov

 http://blip.tv/file/get/Pjkproductions-
 paulTheBBCAuntiesPlacePart2403.mov

 Please enjoy and pass comment.

 It's also available on my site too, if you should be passing. Also
 for some reason these downloads can't be played on ipods, but I am
 sure you know how to convert them if you want to watch them on the
 way to work.

 Paul Knight



   
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: vlog

2006-12-09 Thread groups-yahoo-com

I have no problem with calling what's happening on youtube video bloging.

Great, awesome.

I'm just glad there's a thing called a video podcast to distinguish
between what youtube is doing in it's own closed and proprietary world
and that which is compatible with software and hardware other than a
web browser.

This is to say, I'm glad that Apple and others major players have
embraced a truely open medium and not simply youtube's proprietary
version of it, and that this world is truely open and diametrically
oppoesed to youtube.  Given it's success I would hope that one day
youtube will be forced to open up it's media, provide downloadable
formats and a whole nother level of openness and accessibility.

I think while the initial power of youtube may be fine and dandy, that
increasingly the real power is in video podcasting... a *real* open
access medium. Not some half measure. As more and more hardware like
cell phones, wifi networked media players and set top boxes started
coming out that support downloadable and aggregateable video I think
hope this will undermine youtube's dominance and force it to change to
compete.

Peace,

-Mike
mefeedia.com
mmeiser.com/blog

On 12/9/06, Obreahny O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 this is silly; who cares what you call it. it's what you are doing with it,
 i.e., the content that matters- not the denotation of website or vlog or
 blog.rather than expensing this time philosophizing nonsense take a note
 from Jay  Ryanne  Deidre  to use this medium (regardless of what it's
 called) to expose and promote causes, predicaments, whatever it is in the
 world.  they are a few of my favorite people on the internet and it's not
 because they're vloggers or bloggers but rather because they're
 consistent content providers of interesting media. To:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sat, 9 Dec
 2006 16:06:05 -0500Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: vlog


















 You are also a human, like it or not. And you can call it what
 you
 want but its a website you are talking about when you say 'my site'.

 You could take your site off the web but right now its there and
 that's what it is.

 You vlogger, you.

 :P

 On Dec 9, 2006, at 3:56 PM, David Howell wrote:

  How is my archive page a video web log? It's a page that links to
  videos I've created and posted on my site.
 
  As I own my site, I am the one to define what it is. I dont see myself
  as a vlogger. If you want to call me one then that's your prerogative
  I guess. Personally, I can't stand the word.
 
  David
  http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matt Savarino
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Your goal and/or style should not define the generic word vlog.
  
   From a viewer's point of view, this is a video Web log...
   http://www.davidhowellstudios.com/archive/
  
   I'd then call you a vlogger since you are the creator.
   It that considered a bad thing now?
  
   -Matt
   http://vlogmap.org
  
  
   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@
   wrote:
   
I agree. I dont think of my site as a vlog. It's a website that
  I post
video on. There is no style to my videos or the manner in which I
shoot them.
   
Thus, I am very pleased to not call myself a vlogger.
   
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Oops, BBC interview Third Part!!!

2006-12-08 Thread groups-yahoo-com

I especially liked the first video. And it really makes me appreciate
your camera. Great to see that just simple uncut, impromptu behind the
seens stuff.

-Mike
mefeedia.com
mmeiser.com/blog

On 12/8/06, Irina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 yay paul!

 On 12/8/06, RANDY MANN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
cool. verry cool
 
  randy
  On 12/8/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] enric%40cirne.com wrote:
  
   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
 videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
   Paul Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
   
http://blip.tv/file/get/Pjkproductions-
PaulTheBBCAuntiesPlacePart3677.mov
   
   
Sorry about that, I was copying and pasting and my fingers got all of
a twist.
   
Paul
   
  
   That's lovely. You did a really good job informing on videoblogging
   in a short time.
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Al online viewing booms, the amateurs give way to big media

2006-12-08 Thread groups-yahoo-com

   
Heath
http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com
   
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
 videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%
  40yahoogroups.com,
Mike Hudack mike@ wrote:

 At the end of the day it's about what you want to talk about
  and how
 many people you want to reach, no?

  -Original Message-
  From:
 videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%
  40yahoogroups.com
 
 [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com
  videoblogging%
  40yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Heath
  Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:30 PM
  To:
 videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%
  40yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Al online viewing booms, the
  amateurs give way to big media
 
  Yes, the small users are driving inovation but sooner or
  later the big guys take notice and they have money, time
  and talent.
 
  And again, I am looking at this from the viewer's perspective
  and the average joe.how many average, everyday people
  who go to work, come home, make dinner and sit down in front
  of the tube, how many of them are going to watch me talk
  about the vloggies or bacon or The Ask a Ninja guy(who I
  love btw) but I wonder, what the cap for this medium
  is.how many people will want to watch just
  stuffpeople like to be entertained, bigger is better
  and so on..will that attitude change? Because if it
doesn't
 
  It's an interesting thought..I know I don't have any
  answers, but what else is new..
 
  Heath
  http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com
 
 
  --- In
 videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%
  40yahoogroups.com,
David Tames david@ wrote:
  
   Interesting article...
  
   I think it's dangerous to put too much faith in the belief
  that trends
   and outcomes from the past are a reflection of what is
  happening today
   and going to happen tomorrow. I think that there's
  a
   significantly different thing going on today in the media
  and
   entertainment industry than has gone on in the past: end
  users
are
   driving the innovation, and video blogging is a crisp
  example of
  this.
  
   I wrote an article for IMAGINE (a trade magazine that covers
film,
   video, and multimedia production in New England) for the
Dec'06/
   Jan'07 issue titled: Macro Trends in Media and
  Entertainment,
  which
   I subsequently updated:
  
   http://kino-eye.com/2006/09/30/macro-trends-rio2006/
   Document: Macro-Trends-v2.pdf (PDF, 164 KB)
  
   What do you think of my premise?
  
   I'm planning to release a Version 3 after I add more video
sharing
   sites and round out the arguments. I'd love some feedback
  from
  this
   group before I complete a new version of the article.
  
   Regardless of the fact that the large media players will
  claim
a
   large percentage of the total media and entertainment
  activity
on
  the
   internet, independent producers (video bloggers, independent
   filmmakers, small organizations, etc) will still have a
  percentage,
   and that percentage will be significantly larger than it has
been
  in
   the past through the hundred year history of cinema,
television,
   radio, cable, and now the internet. So personal and
  independent
  media
   will have much more significant access to an audience than
  it
had
   before.
  
   This is a trend near and dear to my heart that I've been
tracking
   since 1988 when people were saying the Hi8 camcorder
  revolution
  would
   democratize the media. But I argued with my fellow
  filmmakers
back
   then, access to the tools of production is only 1/3 of the
  equation.
   You still need access to marketing to build an audience, and
  access
   to distribution. The internet today provides the missing
pieces,
  it
   fuels word-of-mouth as well as provides an economical
distribution
   medium.
  
   David.
  
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Re: [videoblogging] The PAN offline

2006-12-05 Thread groups-yahoo-com

Wish I could be there!

On 12/5/06, contactmica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Want to see some fresh video goodies from The PAN?
 C'mon, I know you do!
 Please join us this Sunday for our second quarterly public presentation!

 Where?

 The Pioneer Theater
 155 E 3rd Street
 New York

 When?

 Sunday, December 10, 7:00pm

 How?

 Tickets $6.50 to $10.00
 Order online now ( http://www.twoboots.com/pioneer )
 or purchase at the door

 Join us for  night of fizzy and fun video.
 PANesthesia is an hour of short videos to sooth to relax even the most
 anxious of minds.
 Tonight we say - forget your troubles c'mon get happy!

 Featuring videos by Doron Golan, Rob Parrish, Adam Quirk, Mica Scalin,
 Noah Scalin and more!

 We'll even be premiering videos not yet seen on The Internets!
 And join us after for a drink party to further numb your aches and pains.

 Thanks!!
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?

2006-12-05 Thread groups-yahoo-com

, I'd love to talk
  more with you.

 I'm going to start building add-on modules for version 5...

 aggregator:
 - full support for enclosures, mRSS and geoRSS

 video:
 - improve add/edit form
 - expand mime-types (currently m4v not used w/ QT)
 - expand services (add myspace video, tagworld, etc)
 - add iTunes feed (w/ customized options like Feedburner)

 Email me offlist if you'd like to help out or have other feature
requests.

 -Matt
 http://vlogmap.org
 http://ridertech.com

   
   
   
   
   
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: NYC December food, drinks, mirth

2006-12-05 Thread groups-yahoo-com

Wish I could come.

As always.

Just felt you needed my moral support.

... for validation. ;)

LOL

And congrats on the pioneer theatre screening.  Heh! If you have a
graphic please send it over to us. I know it's coming up fast, but I
tink it's something we should be promoting on the meef.

LOL... the meef, that's Mefeedia.  Sorry... someone called it that and
now it's stuck in my head. It's hilarious.

Send us a grpahic, mefeedia needs to promote more cool things like
theatre screenings and vlog events, we've been a little remis.

Speaking of which, did everyone see the AskANinja DVD is out!?

http://askaninja.com/dvd

Someone needs to pimp this stuff. :)

Peace,

-Mike
mefeedia.com
mmeiser.com/blog

On 12/6/06, missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 where do I sign?


 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Let's do something then.  I'll try to get a few people together.
 I'm sure
  Jan and Dan Liss and the Blip kids would come.
 
  I'll email everyone later today after I'm done working.
 
  AQ
 
  On 12/4/06, missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 AR!!!
  
   Bummer. I had the 15th off. Not so on the 12th.
  
   Catch y'all in January. Or maybe February or March.
  
   :(
  
   Bekah
  
   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
 videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
   Adam Quirk bullemhead@ wrote:
   
http://videoblog.meetup.com/8/calendar/5270367/
   
This ^ meetup is already being organized, so I'm gonna hit that up
   instead
of starting a new one.
   
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Good question jay,

Does anyone know if Moveabletype, blogger, or Wordpress support
mediaRSS?  Has anyone created a plugin perhaps for MT or Wordpress?

I've realized one of the primary issues with the mediaRSS spec is that
when you're righting a post there's no quick markup to specify
metadata IN the post.  Specifically for example I was going to propose
a series of Microstandards like rel=thumbnail  so people could
semanticly specify metadata in their post.

For example when you specify the image to represent your video in the
page you'd specify it like this.

img src=http://acme.com/yourthumbnail.gif; rel=thumbnail

As some may have noticed one of the biggest issues we have with
mefeedia is generating tens of thousands of email a day. One of the
things I've realized is that MOST people are specifying a
representative thumbnail in their post, they're just not specified in
the mediaRSS.

I think we're going to adopt this rel=thumbnail standard pretty quick
on mefeedia.

But if we can also just get a few providers on board like feedburner,
blip.tv, dabble and a few others we could creat much prettier and more
usefull feeds really quick.

A couple examples.

1) if feedburner jumps on board identifying thumbnails based on the
rel=thumbnail standard they can also specify those thumbnails in
mediaRSS and aggregatory tools like democracy, itunes, mefeedia,
fireant or whomever recognizes mediaRSS will immediately start
displaying the thumbnails you specify in your blog instead of randomly
pulling their own.

2)  This is particularly an interesting issue with people hosting
their videos on blip.  Blip does allow you to specify a thumbnail for
each video, and they DO put it in your blip feed. However, 99% of all
people using blip don't use blip's feed, they cross post from blip to
their video blog where such meta information as the thumbnail is not
semantically specified. By semantically specified I mean the image is
just genrically specified in the page and the aggregator can't assume
to know what it is.

The point is as a result all the blip feeds look great on mefeedia,
but all people's primary feeds have no thumbnails specified.

If blip specified the thumbnails using the rel=thumbnail standard
when crossposting to people's vlogs that information would make it
into the RSS feed where it could be picked up by any aggregator.

The bottom line is this... more semantic data = a prettier and more
useful vlogosphere for everyone.

So... who's with me?  Josh K?  Mike H., Justin, and the Blippers? Lisa
Rien, Mary Hodder and the dabblers?   Do we have someone representing
feedburner here?

On top of this I'd like to take a look at what other information is
getting specified in blog posts, such as that that blip is collecting,
that's not making it into the mediaRSS and why not.

Again, 99% of vloggers specify a thumbnail in their blog post, but
these thumbnails aren't making it into the mediaRSS because there's no
way to semantically specify it in the blog post. Rel=thumbnail is the
simplest way i can think of to accomplish this.

Jay, you said you recently took a look at mediaRSS. What sort of
metadata are you talking about, what metadata do you want to specify?
Can you give a few examples of what your clients might find
particularly interesting?

I'm afraid that other than developing this and other microstandards
that can be specified right in the blog post, rich meta information
will continue to get missed untill the major blogging platforms like
Blogger, Wordpress, and Moveable type support mediaRSS by default.

Oh, and  you should also note that Yahoo video search will pick up
these thumnails too if we can get feedburner to support this proposed
RelThumbnail standard.

Are there any other major search engines or services I'm forgetting
about that aggregate mediaRSS for search and such?

-Mike
mefeedia.com
mmeiser.com/blog

On 12/3/06, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Here's the MRSS spec:
   http://search.yahoo.com/mrss
   It was developed by Yahoo! with a lot of collaboration from a
   community of contributors, including many folks on this list.
   FeedBurner supports MRSS in a pretty limited way -- really just as an
   addition to the enclosure element. Blip.tv includes a lot of MRSS
   metadata in their feeds, including support for media thumbnails and
   alternate versions of each video (FLV, Quicktime, etc.).
   Is there something in particular you want to do with MRSS?


 yepi saw the spec, but am having a hard time fitting my brain around it.
 I am working with a group of Community TV stations that are starting
 to upload and trade TV programs for playback around the country.

 They want to attach a lot of metadata into their postsso they are
 asking if Media RSS could help them. Questions I have ishow do
 they create feeds that attach all this info into their feed?
 Do they need to make their feeds by hand?

 right now, they are just uploading to their own servers...and using
 Drupla

Re: SPAM [videoblogging] New Paralles Features

Aha, that screencast.

Cool!

Screencasts rule, but so do podcasts.

Heard some people talking about the new parrellels on a podcast
yesterday somewhere between Dayton and Columbus Ohio.

Podcasts rule too. :)

Peace,

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog
mefeedia.com

On 12/2/06, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Wow!  This is fantastic.  I'm upgrading right now.  Thanks for the
 heads-up, Michael...

 Michael Verdi wrote:
 
  I use Parallels on my mac so I can check that my videos and blog work
  correctly on PCs. They have a new beta out with some awesome new
  features. I made a quick screencast of them and submitted the story to
  digg. If you're interested, check it out:
  http://michaelverdi.com/index.php/2006/12/02/parallels-screencast/
  http://michaelverdi.com/index.php/2006/12/02/parallels-screencast/
  http://digg.com/apple/New_Parallels_features_in_action_Video
  http://digg.com/apple/New_Parallels_features_in_action_Video
 
  -Verdi
 
  --
  http://michaelverdi.com http://michaelverdi.com
  http://spinxpress.com http://spinxpress.com
  http://freevlog.org http://freevlog.org
  Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs
  http://tinyurl.com/me4vs
 
 



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Re: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

Steve,

Personally, I think Sony got the PSP aggregation wrong.

They needed an automatic podcatcher. None of this downloading and
watching one video at a time.

You have to be able to automatically cache the videos without any attention.

You shouldn't have to download or browse heavily on the device.

You shouldn't have to manage subscriptions.

You shouldn't have to browse a directory for videos.

You should just be able to pick up the device, scroll through the
latest videos from your friends, most recent first, and click play.

Think blackberry, only not email, video blog posts.  And not private,
but public.  Could be entertainment or news yes, but it's not TV, it
might just as well be a video from a friend's vlog.

Anyway, I'm rambling, but the Nokia N93 and N95 might well accomplish this.

Maybe.

Peace,

-Mike
mefeedia.com
mmeiser.com/blog

On 12/1/06, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was wondering how the Podcamp West Community Imperialism discussion
 went?  Is there any record of it on the internets? Is there somewhere
 that the discussion is continuing?

 Is there a good place that I can go to watch the slow march of some
 DIYers towards DRM love?

 Are youtubers having 'video conversations' much these days, ie
 responding to a video with a video of their own rather than text
 comments? Is there anything built into the system, or any other
 system, that makes this sort of thing easy, easy to follow the
 conversation? Yes Im ranting about a video-based discussion board type
 system again, I dont know why, I never get many responses, but that
 still doesnt put me off the idea of combining vlogging with forums and
 realtime video conferencing and getting a strange hybrid. Is it an
 idea doomed to fail, oh I dunno. Why am I talking about this now?
 BEcause this imperialism stuff is something Id like to have a video
 conversation with, but without realtime pressures. And nearly every
 other area of video and the net seems to have moved on in leaps and
 bounds in the last 2 years, wheras this doesnt seem to of. So Im
 thinking of spending my Christmas holiday developing some crude system
 as a proof-of-concept, but I dont know if anybody woould actually use
 it. Will I be wasting my time?

 It was the insane films coverage of vlogeurope what reminded me of
 your Cultural Imperialism thoughts, and I wanted to join in those
 conversations, but I missed the even totally. But why should time 
 space be a barrier? And Madge was on about combining time  space data
 with video, which made me want to mashup vlogging and the video
 discussion system idea with google maps and this timeline thing:

 http://simile.mit.edu/timeline/

 Well theres the random thoughts in my brain today about this stuff,
 who knows if Im making any sense. Potential or poop?

 By the way Eric do you still have anything to do with Sony PSP? I see
 there is a camera out for it now, that can do video but only 20 second
 clips? (or did I get that wrong?). The PSP was always an example to me
 of one of the 'under-represented' devices in the vlogosphere, in that
 there are a lot of people with PSPs, but they arent well represented
 here, so it sometimes appears that they dont exist.

 Cheers

 Steve Elbows with the friday afternoon waffle

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  As an aside, Mike, the other reason I'm finding the community
 imperialism angle so
  fascinating, is because I'm timing how slowly a very very VERY
 important chain of events
  regarding intellectual property, DMCA-friendly and DRM-wanting folks
 (and it's DIY
  people, not the Big Boys) is barely working its way through the
 usual blogosphere
  channels--- the most visible and vocal suspects against who'd
 normally speak up about
  such a thing don't seem to be aware because it originates in a place
 outside the comfort
  zone.
 
  We can start a new thread on that one, but I'm too tired. Heh.
 
  ER
 
 
 
 
 
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser
 groups-yahoo-com@ wrote:
  
   On 11/17/06, Eric Rice eric@ wrote:
I think the term that might be more accurately reflective is
 'cultural
imperialism', but
community was substituted in light of the thinking that we view
 ourselves as
a community
more than a culture in most cases? I also adore how inflammatory
 Imperialism
is as a
word, but go 10,000 m with your reading, not so much a direct
 literal
interpretation.
  
   Great word Eric. Cultural imperialism is exactly what it is.
  
   I've had a long standing theory one exactly what cultural
 imperialism is.
  
   Basically in a world with limited means for communication, where the
   major forms of communication that shape our society, our culture and
   indeed the world, are a commodity such as is clearly the case most
   obviously with television there is a draw toward the center... the
   creation of a popular culture as these systems fundamentally lack
   the capacity

Re: [videoblogging] President 2.0?

Just checked it out, a quick glimpse.  He's made  quite a few posts
since he started on Nov. 9th. Very prolific.

I noticed he has pages on Myspace, Facebook, Youtube. This is a very
agressive approach, very interesting. Such groups could be skeptical
of such an aggresive approach, but then they might be very
understanding and interested. Certainly and interesting campaign to
watch.

BTW, I started making a list of political video podcasts.

http://mefeedia.com/lists/57/

John Tobin from Boston, John Edwards and his wife, and Angela Merkel
who's chancellor of Germany all have videoblogs too

It's pretty impressive, but it's just the tip of the iceberg. I know
there are more. Leave me a comment if you know any.

-Mike

Also

On 11/30/06, Amanda Congdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I wrote to the group before regarding Gov. Tom Vilsack of Iowa who is
 running for
 President in 2008. As I mentioned, he has a videoblog (which now has a feed
 up as well):

 Website: http://tomvilsack08.com/
 Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/tomvilsack08-vlog

 Anyway, the reason I write is that Gov. V is hoping that some of you might
 be interested in
 corresponding for his site.  We are in the very preliminary stages in terms
 of how this all
 might work... but I wanted to gauge people's interest/availability.

 There are a few events over the next couple of days in New Hampshire,
 Pittsburgh, Vegas,
 Des Moines and South Carolina that need covering, if there is anyone
 interested from
 those locations.

 He's certainly an underdog in this campaign, with nowhere even close to the
 funding of
 some of the other, more well-known candidates... but this is exactly what
 makes
 videoblogging so exciting.  Technology has enabled a candidate like Gov. V
 to have his
 message heard and to communicate directly with the people.

 Also, he's very interested in doing things the right way-- he wants to be
 as web 2.0 as
 possible, so if you have any suggestions please send them my way.

 Feel free to contact me directly if you prefer to communicate off-list.

 Thanks in advance for your feedback,

 Amanda




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Why accessibility matters

2006-11-29 Thread groups-yahoo-com

 is beyond the desktop. Why
must one be sitting in front of a computer? Why must one be online
always connected with a broadband connection in order to watch the
latest video.

As sure as the connection to the telephone became untethered with the
cell phone standards for access are not fixed, they change rapidly.
I'm betting my money that in a year or two's time that Flash no longer
will cut it for accessibility because it can't go beyond the desktop,
it can't go offline, it can't go portable, it can't be downloaded, or
cached, and it cannot become unhinged. It's got to many technical and
hardware requirements and is to proprietary to go where video needs to
go in the next couple years.  In short it's accessibility challenge
has already been more than seeded in the architecture that is video
and audio podcasting... a technology which completely contradicts it.

Peace,

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog
mefeedia.com

On 11/29/06, deirdreharvey2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Wow Mike, that is a really awesome piece of writing. I totally agree with
 you about almost
 all of it and really commend the passion.

 Not that I am really coming from a strong place given the number of months
 (3?) I've been
 arsing around with my blog rather than posting anything. You can't really
 get much less
 accessible than not made yet.

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  3) And most importantly because YOU are *accessible* to your viewers as a
  real live person, to respond to... to correspond with... to email, to
  comment on your vlog, to IM with... and even because they too like you can
  post a video on their vlog in response as your equal... there is nothing
  like having a conversation eye to eye... In the real world if we all got
  soap boxes none of us would be able to be heard, but in cyberspace we can
  ALL have our soap boxes and we can all have an equal opportunity to bring
  something to the table.  Try getting that type of access with any
  personality on TV.

 This I will quibble with, but just a little. I love the bit about being
 accessible to your
 viewers, but I think that lots of soapboxes in cyberspace is just as bad as
 lots in the real
 world.

 Watching other people's work, commenting, paying attention, involving
 yourself in
 conversation is just as important to my mind as making videos and publishing
 them for
 other people to see. It's the mutual engagement that makes this stuff
 special. The active v.
 passive discussions often frame active participation as media creation, and
 that strikes me
 as a pretty impoverished vision of participation.

 Being a producer of media may be harder work than being a consumer, but I
 guess a world
 where everyone is a producer but nobody is listening to what anyone else has
 to say is
 almost as limiting as one where only a few large organisations can produce
 and distribute
 media.

 So to sum up: soapbox = boo, active engagement with other people = yay




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Nokia N93

2006-11-29 Thread groups-yahoo-com

The N95 may well be the iPod killer for the vlogging crew.

I have yet to get my hands on one for testing but it's ability to
capture and upload videos directly to the web via wifi and Nokia's
lifeblog system and it's ability to aggregate audio and video podcasts
directly to the device make it a killer app.

I especially like that it may well prove the old adage true.
Innovation routes around roadblocks.

All this talk about getting it and not even bothering to use it as a
cell phone but purely over wifi is a direct reflection of innovation
routing right around backwards cellular networks.

BTW, I think you can get a sprint unlimited data plan for $80 or at
the very least $100 a month. At least that's what I looked at MONTHS
ago. The problem is you can't get an open data plan on a voice phone
(laughs out loud)...   Sprint simply doesn't have the business
interest in offering such a service. Why allow you to do both voice
and data on the same device when they can make you purchase two
devices and two plans!?  Duh.

Here's my secrete. Get the Sprint Vision voice data plan... and find
yourself the unlock code for your device... there is no doubt that
sprint will either not let the N93, or N95 on their network because
they can't control it or completely cripple it like they did the
Treo's with bluetooth. (disabling the bluetooth).

Or... as andrew baron suggested just accept the fact that the networks
are fundamentally backwards and having a hard time dealing with the
whole internet paradigm.  They all want complete control over their
networks... it's the net neutrality issue all over again.  The
end-to-end paradigm WILL come to their networks or they'll simply be
routed around... as is definitely the direct threat of the N93 and
N95.

Videoblogging and audio podcasting are coming directly to portable
devices cellular providers be damned.

And when they do... watch out Crackleberry. :)

I must get my hands on one of those N95's already.

Did I mention they support mp4's at 320x240?

Peace,

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog
mefeedia.com

On 11/29/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Nov 28, 2006, at 11:56 PM, Ted Tagami wrote:
   can you skype-out with this?
  
   .
 
 
  Yep.
 
  BTW, a couple of weeks ago at the Network2 party in NYC, Nokia showed
  up with an N95 which is now out and seems to be a major upgrade and
  also supports calls over i.p :
 
  The new auto-focus, 5 megapixel camera unit, Nokia's first, makes
  use of Carl Zeiss optics, just like the N93 and N90 do. Images and
  videos can be uploaded to a number of different photo gallery and
  blogging systems. Videos can be recorded at VGA (640x480) resolution
  at 30fps, and can be recorded with digital image stabilization. A TV
  out function on the N95 let users enjoy their works of art on a
  larger screen, too. The N95 also supports MP3, AAC, M4A, and WMA
  music playback through its built-in stereo speakers or headphones
  attached to its 3.5mm headset jack. An FM radio is also included in
  the N95.
 
  http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Id=2741
 
  Drew
  http://www.rocketboom.com
  http://www.dembot.com
 
 
 
 
 
  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 


 Boy, oh boy!

   ;)




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Re: [videoblogging] More Vloggies Footage

2006-11-28 Thread groups-yahoo-com

url?

:)

On 11/28/06, greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just posted all the footage I have of the vloggies award ceremony.  It
 turned into a 30 minute video!  It





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Re: [videoblogging] Loads of articles from the BBC incl galacticast vloggies

2006-11-27 Thread groups-yahoo-com

Thanks for sharing steve!

Interesting articles.

I use google news to keep tabs on articles mentioning vlogs in the
mainstream press, but it's to much to keep up with anymore. I keep
missing the good stuff.

-Mike
mefeedia.com
mmeiser.com/blog/

On 11/27/06, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The BBC seem to be doing a series of articles on the future of TV.
 Some of it covers vlogging, although a lot is about how traditional
 television will adapt or die.

 Online video eroding TV viewing:
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6168950.stm

 At the very end it says The first award ceremony for web-only video,
 the Vloggies, was held in San Francisco at the start of November.

 Alive in Baghdad, a site featuring videos of real Iraqis telling their
 own stories, won the top award. 


 How Will we Watch TV in 10 Years?
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6146244.stm

 Including some quotes from traditional media types which will may be
 considered nonsense by some herehere.


 The First Superstars of Web TV
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6180312.stm

 Includes interviews with 2 online video makers.


 What To Watch on the Web
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6178644.stm

 Lots of stuff about traditional TV and news video on the web, but
 towards the end of the page it has sections on web-only comedy and
 videoblogs.

 The comedy section mentions Galacticast in glowing terms:

 Galacticast, a weekly sci-fi comedy shot in a Montreal apartment, is
 one of the few with enough talent and imagination to be truly funny
 and watchable.

 Congats for the glowing BBC review  link Galacticast! Recognition,
 hoorah. There are many other comedic talents on the web which I reckon
 also deserve praise, but hey ho, its a start :) Just wish these
 journo's could resist being so negative, even the compliments are a
 dig at the quality of others! Goodnight Burbank is mentioned by the
 Beeb too, a programme I only found myself a few weeks ago and did seem
 rather funny to me :)

 Anyway Im sure theres a few things in these articles that people could
 tear apart. My summary is that theyve decided that web video has come
 of age, but with plenty of caveats and the usual 'missing the point'
 slightly (eg huge success by online video makers is still deemed 'a
 surprise').

 Cheers

 Steve Elbows




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Loads of articles from the BBC incl galacticast vloggies

2006-11-27 Thread groups-yahoo-com

I did a big old post on one of the articles pointing out the inherent
flaw in the youtube business model.

http://mmeiser.com/blog/2006/11/inherent-flaw-in-youtube.html

Please, tear it to shreds. I would be honored if someone told me I'm a
raging idiot. :)

-Mike

On 11/27/06, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ah, reminds me of a song somebody's knocking on the door, somebody's
 ringing the bell, do 'em a favor and let them in...

 Paul, relax man and focus on the goal, not who is in the stands
 watching. It will come to you. Don't worry about it. You have a body
 of work, you have a unique voice that is expressed and have the dual
 challenge of making video and educating folks on what you are doing.

 Being a pioneer takes time. The hardest folks to convince are your
 neighbors and relations. Things are changing so fast from even six
 months ago so when they do catch up with your stuff you will be down
 the road a bit - maybe even producing a special type of mobile
 content. Who knows?

 But should you happen to go into the pizza business don't be skimping
 on the cheese, extra basil, onions, garlic and mass quantities of the
 good tomato sauce. Deep Dish or Thin Style? I leave that up to you.

 Just got off work and I'm hungry,

 Gena

 http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com
 http://pcclibtech.blogspot.com
 http://voxmedia.org/wiki/Video

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  God man, Shit like this makes me want to pack it all in and live a
  pastoral existence delivering pizzas for a living, its just populist
  crap to keep us appeased.  Is there any mention of anyone from the UK
  in there, except for internet Phenomenon geriatric1927? No!!!  It
  just makes me sick that those lazy arsed bastard journos at the BBC,
  can't do any proper digging.
 
  My stuff is great, the only thing I am missing it seems is an
  attractive woman.  Subscribe today, it's dead easy, let me be on
  their next page, I don't mind. just click on http://
  pjkproductions.com give a few of the videos a whirl, if you find them
  funny subscribe, you can do it through itunes, democracy, even rojo
  and if you prefer the good old rss feed http://feeds.feedburner.com/
  pjkproductions
 
  And whilst you are at it, check out http://spainfulfilms.co.uk or
  even the genius of http://thepaulreynoshow.blogspot.com or http://
  thecommonpeople.blogspot.com
 
  If the BBC wants to get people interested in internet video then
  maybe they should start looking on their doorstep.
 
  Very Angry By This, and for good reason
 
  Paul Knight
 
  On 27 Nov 2006, at 18:21, Steve Watkins wrote:
 
   Yeah I cant keep up anymore either. I only noticed these because they
   were on the front page of the UK bbc news site. Just noticed that
   theres also a news story about viral video audiences, some research
   company reckons the 'star wars kid' video has been watched 900 million
   times. But then it turns out that this 'news' is timed to co-incide
   with the launch of some new UK TV program about viral videos.
   Meanwhile the BBC are going on about the future of TV a lot because
   they consider themselves the guardians of it in the UK, and as their
   funding comes from the license fee they are always a bit concious of
   the need to keep talking about themselves and the future.
  
   Heres the article about the viral vids:
  
   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6187554.stm
  
  
   The Star Wars Kid still wishes the video wasnt out there, the BBC and
   others dont care, theyve been showing it on the TV today, all these
   years later. At least the man behind '2nd most watched viral video'
   Numa Numa, although upset when the thing first happened to him, has
   come to terms with the attention.
  
   Anyway I remain quite skeptical about the accuracy of such viewing
   figures.
  
   Steve Elbows
  
   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote:
   
Thanks for sharing steve!
   
Interesting articles.
   
I use google news to keep tabs on articles mentioning vlogs in the
mainstream press, but it's to much to keep up with anymore. I keep
missing the good stuff.
   
-Mike
mefeedia.com
mmeiser.com/blog/
   
On 11/27/06, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote:
 The BBC seem to be doing a series of articles on the future of TV.
 Some of it covers vlogging, although a lot is about how
   traditional
 television will adapt or die.

 Online video eroding TV viewing:
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6168950.stm

 At the very end it says The first award ceremony for web-only
   video,
 the Vloggies, was held in San Francisco at the start of November.

 Alive in Baghdad, a site featuring videos of real Iraqis
   telling their
 own stories, won the top award. 


 How Will we Watch TV in 10 Years?
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6146244.stm

 Including some quotes from

Re: [videoblogging] The other videoblogging community

Heh, one more though about community equalling walled garden.

I just wanted to clarify.

First there are non-walled garden communities.

Communities whom NOONE owns, and whom exist outside of some wenservice.

What we're talking about is the independant blogosphere.

Within it are thousands of malleable communities whose borders are
defined only by those who participate in them.

I just wanted to clarify, this is why most of us hate youtube.

You can't have freiends on youtube without belonging to youtube
because youtube is not interoperable with the blogosphere.

That said it IS getting there... a little bit.

For example.

They DO have some RSS spport, they just don't promote it very well.

http://youtube.com/rssls

This means you can subscribe to youtube feeds in mefeedia, bloglines,
or any number of aggregators.  Even Democracy player now has support
for youtube's RSS feeds.

For example, here's the very feed we've been talking about on mefeedia.

http://mefeedia.com/feeds/21683/

And the very video

http://mefeedia.com/entry/1352733/

So what's the problem then?

Fracking Flash... that's the problem. Youtube is using it as a light
weight DRM to discourage people from enjoying the videos how they see
fit... ie. not ON youtube.com.

I cannot view these videos offline... because they can't be downloaded
easily without some fancy schmancy tricks.

I cannot view them on my iPod, PSP or any other device... again,
without some fancy schmancy tricks.

I cannot subscribe to them in itunes or fireant

In short... any of my friends on youtube... I cannot access them the
way I'd access all of you.

It's the equivelent of having one phone that works with the rest of
the world, and having to have a second separate phone to talk to my
friends on youtube.

So... yeah, youtube's not evil... and I love youtube users... but have
tremendous resentment for some global megacorp telling me who I can be
friends with and how I can interact with them.

Clearly youtube is using it's domimant market position to leverage
themselves. Which is to say... they're using their market power
combined with thier inoperability to curry special favors for
themselves.

The gootube/verizon deal was an example of this.

And of the gootube verizon deal I say... what useless piece of crap
deal is that that only brings me a tiny fraction of the videoblogging
world.  What good is it to be able to talk to jimmy on the phone but
not suzie.  Why can I access videos from youtube and not videos from
rocketboom, ask a ninja, and 20,000 other of my favorite vlogs and
friends.

I don't think kindly of anyone whom makes decisions to fragment the
market to everyone's detriment to make a few bucks.

But then... it's quite possible that neither gootube or verizon think
they doing anything wrong at all... because I seriously think they
don't get it.  I think they think internet video is all just
entertainment... that it's just a the new cable network... that they
can substitute jimmy's videos for suzzies like they substitute Fox
news for NBC news or Lost for the Sipranos.  But this is NOT the
case. Because Suzzie and Jimmy aren't general news... and they aren't
fun and entertainment.  They're my fuscking friends.

I didn't come up with this stuff. It's called the network effect, and
it's been in effect since the telephone and telegraphy were created.
 The more people on the network the more valueable it becomes.

Most famously AOL tried to play it against the network effect and they failed.

And sooner or later youtube will either have to open up or they too
will fail as their network will eneviteably become a culdasac on the
information superhighway just like good old AOL.

Peace,

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog
mefeedia.com

On 11/18/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 community != walled garden.  word.

 On 11/17/06, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
This weekend at PodCamp West, I'm part of a discussion about Community
  Imperialism in DIY
  Media, because frankly, I believe the state of 'communities' is crap.
 
  It's been a rough week, seeing everyday people invoking the DMCA,
  requesting DRM to
  protect content; open source getting attacked; watching the word
  'community' get thrown
  around when it means 'our silo'.
 
  And then I saw this. A 10 minute video that damn near had me in tears.
 
  Do you consider them videobloggers? I do.
  And since they aren't aware of THIS community, I will completely step
  outside any jurisdiction
  and award them all a Vloggie Award. They deserve it, too.
 
  http://www.ericrice.com/blog/?p=208
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

Wow, that I just read like 8 responses from Eric and one from Steve.

Steve's concept, I don't subscribe to vlogs, I subscribe to people is
exactly the same thing I'm saying. Perhaps it even put it in a better
way for general understanding.

Steve says, I subscribe to people, not vlogs

Peter says, vidoeblogging isn't about viral video, it's about
connecting people

I say, videoblogging isn't about simple entertainment, it's about
inter personal communication  that just so happens to be public

All these basically mean the same thing. And actually I think there
seems to be a lot of cohesion and aggrement on the subject today.

Let's call it more understanding, and good debate. Makes me happy.

Truth be told I wanted to respond to every single eric rice email, but
I'm going to have to pick a few.

More to come.

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog
mmeiser.com

On 11/18/06, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And you end up on my point, but it's a about Tony, baby.

 Videoblogging is people.

 I subscribe to people.

 Many video networks have categories for all types of shows, but leave
 out the 'people' category.

 Look at http://network2.tv/

  * All Shows
  * Arts
  * Business
  * Cartoons
  * Comedy
  * Culture
  * Education
  * Entertainment
  * Family
  * Film
  * Food
  * Games
  * Health
  * Instructional
  * International
  * Local
  * Music
  * News
  * Politics
  * Society
  * Sports
  * Technology
  * Travel

 I asked them to add a people category and they have it in the queue.

 My vlog has videos that fit in a few of these categories, but how
 would you categorize it with choices liek these?  You can't.

 It really belongs in a 'people' category.  That's why I made
 suggestions for the vloggies to recognize people and specific videos
 instead of shows.  That would have been more inclusive of the YouTube
 vloggers.

 --Steve



 On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:52 PM, Eric Rice wrote:

  Networks. Talkin' about themselves, when it should be about the
  show or content.
  More people know about BoingBoing than Federated Media.-- Good
  Throw in the Pod* networks, you might now a couple major shows, but
  hear about the
  network more-- Bad
  Heh, I got into the TV show LOST, way after everyone. I couldn't
  tell you what network it
  was on, cuz well, it's not about them, it's about LOST. Like the
  Sopranos. HBO, great, I can
  tune my TiVO, but it's a about Tony, baby.

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Re: [videoblogging] Zune vs iPod Shuffle

 on youtube, a clear copyright
infringement and an afront to the very principal of the zune. If
everything was like a zune we wouldn't be able to pass around and
discuss such material about how bad the zune sucks. Oh the irony.

Fun fun.

Peace,

-Mike
mefeedia.com
mmeiser.com/blog

On 11/18/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 LOL :-)

 That part at the end is hilarious.


 See ya

 On 11/18/06, Lisa Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Apologies if this has been around... but it's really extremely funny
   at the end. Hard to believe this was CNN...
   http://youtube.com/watch?v=3O1y8-hDK8E
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Federal appeal court refuses rehearing in Josh Wolf case (fwd)

I think ironicly this is a sign of Josh's success... the only reason
he's still in jail because he scares someone...

Who's this punk who thinks he's got rights?

Better teach him a lesson before others start to stand up for their rights too.

...of course the longer they keep him in jail, the more ridiculous it
gets, the more they make a marytr out of him in the press.

The inverse could also be said by the oposition though, that josh is
in jail because of his outlandish disrespect toward the law...

I don't believe it, but what does everyone else think?

See my post from last night on the subject for more info.

-Mike

On 11/17/06, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This was circulated earlier today by Reporters Without
 Borders -andy

 --- rsf.Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:45:52 +0100
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  From: rsf.Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: UNITED STATES : Federal appeal court
  refuses rehearing in Josh Wolf case
   / ETATS-UNIS : La justice refuse de
   réexaminer le dossier de Josh Wolf
 
  English / français
 
  Reporters Without Borders / Internet Freedom desk
 
  UNITED STATES
 
  Federal appeal court refuses rehearing in Josh Wolf
  case
 
  Blogger will probably stay in prison until July 2007
 
  Reporters Without Borders condemned as absurd
  inflexibility the decision of a federal appeal
  court to refuse to rehear the case of Josh Wolf,
  in prison since 18 September for refusing to hand
  over his full video footage shot at a
  demonstration that turned violent, in July 2005.
 
  The blogger is therefore likely to stay in
  custody until July 2007, when a grand jury could
  decide to release him on bail.
 
  This young blogger does not represent any threat
  to national security, so keeping him in custody
  is a completely disproportionate step, the
  worldwide press freedom organisation said after
  the 16 November ruling.
 
  The judges seem to want to teach a lesson to
  Wolf, a young man whose insolence exasperated
  them, when their role should have been simply to
  give the law, it added.
 
  For more information on this case:
  http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=18928
 
  
 
 
  Le blogueur restera probablement en prison jusqu'en
  juillet 2007
 
  Une cour fédérale d'appel a refusé, le 16
  novembre 2006, de réexaminer (rehearing) le cas
  de Josh Wolf, emprisonné depuis 18 septembre
  parce qu'il refuse de livrer l'intégralité d'une
  vidéo tournée lors d'une manifestation, en
  juillet 2005, pendant laquelle des violences
  avaient été commises. Le blogueur sera donc
  vraisemblablement maintenu en détention  jusqu'en
  juillet 2007, date à laquelle un Grand jury
  (grand jury) pourra éventuellement décider de sa
  libération sous caution.
 
  Reporters sans frontières considère que la
  justice américaine fait preuve dans cette affaire
  d'une rigidité absurde.  Ce jeune blogueur ne
  représentant aucun danger pour la sécurité
  nationale, son maintien en détention est une
  mesure complètement disproportionnée. Les juges
  semblent vouloir donner une leçon à Josh Wolf, un
  jeune homme dont l'insolence les a exaspérés,
  alors que leur rôle devrait être simplement de
  dire le droit, a déclaré l'organisation.
 
  Plus d'informations sur cette affaire :
  http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=18920
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Say It To Katie - SayItToKatie.com

How's this pet project of yours catching on Steve?

Are their videos other than on Blip?

Youtube? Technoratti posts? Dabble? Delicious or anywhere?

If so... may I offer a place on mefeedia to aggregate them all into
one collection?

It'd be my honor to give you a hand.

That's what mefeedia is here for.

-Mike
mmeiser.com/blog
mefeedia.com

On 11/17/06, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It would be great if Say it to Katie was used to encourage people to
 share their views on subjects that are important to them

 Here's the page at CBS:
 http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/freespeech/main500903.shtml

 There are no rules since it's our site and we can say whatever we
 want...


 On Nov 17, 2006, at 1:50 PM, Heath wrote:

  What excatly is the free speach segment, I have not watched the
  evening news in quite a while, usually just read papers online and
  such, I checked out the site and I am guessing it's a way for
  everyone to share their views?  But I am not sure based on your
  comments Steve, so maybe a little background would help
 
  Thanks
  Heath
  http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  I just told the Senior VP of CBS Digital Media to take a look at
  Say
  It To Katie dot com
 
  http://sayittokatie.com/
 
  Some of you might remember that I made this site based on a
  challenge
  from Jeff Jarvis.
 
  It's an example to show CBS that they should embrace viewer
  submissions for their free speech segment.
 
  If you have a moment to make a video and upload it today, that
  would
  be great...
 
  There are three submissions up there right now.
 
  http://blip.tv/posts/?topic_name=sayittokatie
 
  Add yours.
 
  Thanks,
  --Steve
 
 
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