Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
Sorry to ressurect this long and finished thread but I was away and didn't get to add my 2¢ - and lord knows I love to do that.So I agree with those of you saying good is really good to me. Like all things good it's relative. Outside of that, what I think is good usually (but not always) has these things in common: Short - usually under 5 minutes, often under 3 minutes. I say this not because I'm really opposed to watching longer things but for two basic reasons - 1. it usually requires more work to make something short than to make it long and I appreaciate that. 2. To make something long and have it be as engaging as a well done short piece usually takes more time, energy, money and production skill than the average hobbiest can muster. After a while you might as well be trying to make a TV show or a film. Style and voice - I like things that, even if they are a single shot, have a very distinct style or voice to them. If you're going to be mundane please give us your unique take on that life.Passion or authenticity - I like when I can tell that the person who made it loves what they are doing. I also love when people show me something real and unmeadiated. -Verdi SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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hi michael,i always appreciate your input into conversations.i don't, personally have a length requirement on what i consider good. actually, i think it's sad that attention spans have reached the size of commercial spots. there is something to be said for being taken on a visual and auditory journey and not a drive through. i heartily agree with the distinctive voice criterion. also, a distinctive point of view. if you are talking about something that you love or hate, i want to know why. gimme some meat under that gravy!passion yes...but, just making a video makes it mediated. even unexpected, captured moments are mediated once the camera is lifted. i'm beginning to wonder if there really are unmediated moments anymore. maybe on the toilet. smile anneOn 3/16/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to ressurect this long and finished thread but I was away and didn't get to add my 2¢ - and lord knows I love to do that.So I agree with those of you saying good is really good to me. Like all things good it's relative. Outside of that, what I think is good usually (but not always) has these things in common: Short - usually under 5 minutes, often under 3 minutes. I say this not because I'm really opposed to watching longer things but for two basic reasons - 1. it usually requires more work to make something short than to make it long and I appreaciate that. 2. To make something long and have it be as engaging as a well done short piece usually takes more time, energy, money and production skill than the average hobbiest can muster. After a while you might as well be trying to make a TV show or a film. Style and voice - I like things that, even if they are a single shot, have a very distinct style or voice to them. If you're going to be mundane please give us your unique take on that life.Passion or authenticity - I like when I can tell that the person who made it loves what they are doing. I also love when people show me something real and unmeadiated. -Verdi SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Good point there Anne. Though we certainly have mediated moments on the toilet - here's the three that come to mind (just in case you've missed them):URL: http://michaelverdi.com/index.php/2005/01/16/my-legs-are-too-short/ URL: http://blogumentary.typepad.com/vlog/2005/04/bathroom_honest.html URL: http://ryanedit.blogspot.com/2005/03/every-28-days-for-40-years_04070790966059.html On 3/16/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: passion yes...but, just making a video makes it mediated. even unexpected, captured moments are mediated once the camera is lifted. i'm beginning to wonder if there really are unmediated moments anymore. maybe on the toilet. smile anne-- Me: http://michaelverdi.comRD: http://evilvlog.comLearn to videoblog: http://freevlog.orgLearn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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oh dear. is there no safe haven? LOLOn 3/16/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point there Anne. Though we certainly have mediated moments on the toilet - here's the three that come to mind (just in case you've missed them):URL: http://michaelverdi.com/index.php/2005/01/16/my-legs-are-too-short/ URL: http://blogumentary.typepad.com/vlog/2005/04/bathroom_honest.html URL: http://ryanedit.blogspot.com/2005/03/every-28-days-for-40-years_04070790966059.html On 3/16/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: passion yes...but, just making a video makes it mediated. even unexpected, captured moments are mediated once the camera is lifted. i'm beginning to wonder if there really are unmediated moments anymore. maybe on the toilet. smile anne-- Me: http://michaelverdi.comRD: http://evilvlog.comLearn to videoblog: http://freevlog.orgLearn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
Don't worry about it! Dude, on any given day you could write a message here about the *weather* and you run the risk of opening a can of worms! ;) Passionate folks 'round these parts. Passion is good. Even with worms. Bekah http://www.missbhavens.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really didn't mean to open a can of worms Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
Ah think it's about growth and improvement if not about being harmless. Take a look at notorious alcoholics like Jack Kerouac and Ernest Hemingway. I would have rather seen them die of natural causes instead of cirrhosis and suicide respectively. Maybe if they had the creative channel of vlogging they could have networked a lot better. We're just lucky we have their works available. Yeah so anyways good vlogging to me is about being harmless if not about growth and improvement. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I am opening a can of worms here (so to speak) and I may annoy some people with the question but.What makes a good vlog? I know that question is very subjective but I am new to all of this, just started at the end of December and I have been trying to find as many vlogs as possible. I have been to mefeedia, vlogdir, and of course just some old fashioned searching. I have found some I like, some I love and some. What's weird is that I am more drawn to things I never thought I would be, people and places, that probably under normal circumstances, I wuouldn't give 2 seconds to but now... I never saw myself as a reality person...maybe because the reality that regular TV trys to feed us, feels soUNreal. Now for me I like a mixture of stuff, ordinary, mixed with creativity, maybe because that is what I hope to accomplish on a regular basis. I also love the man on the street kinda things, inteviews and such (something I hope to get more comfortable doing) Here are a few of the vlogs I visit, http://missbhavens.blogspot.com/ http://www.bicycle-sidewalk.com/ http://unholyknight.com/vlog/index.php http://joshleo.blogspot.com/ I am just curious what other vlogs people think are good and why. Heath - Batman Geek http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spit into the wind, you don't pull the mask off of the Lone Ranger and you don't mess around with Batman! (Hey I'm called Batman Geek, what did you expect?) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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What does make a good vlog? Well, to me one thing is clear: if you love what you are doing it will certainly show in your videos. If your friends are talking about your vlog at a party something must be going right... If the Apple store calls you up and ask you if you are using Final Cut Pro and would like to give a talk about the bloody program... If you are meeting people online, developing this new type of relationship with folks you have never met yet you seem to share the most common interests with...however they might live 7000 plus miles away... If you yourself can actually see your vlog taking shape, becoming something totally different from what it was when you started making videos... Time-video length has become a delicate thing for me recently...7 to 10 minutes can be a lot to ask of a viewer, however as long as you are presenting something that is remarkable...and when I use the word remarkable...I mean people will leave comments, anyhow, thanks to Quicktime, you can jump forward if you find the need...have yet to get a comment that reads, Dear Mr. Bicycle Sidewalk, Your videos are too long, please make them shorter! Nathan Miller http;//www.bicycle-sidewalk.com --- missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me, short means less than 1.5 minutes. Standard means up to 3.5 minutes (that sounds more exact than I mean for it to be. It's not like I sit at my desk with an egg timer). Past 3.5 and I start wondering...but sometimes I'm so captivated that I don't notice the time flying by. Luckily my schedule allows for rambling daily vlog-watching. There are a couple of videoblogs things that tie me to my computer for way longer than 3.5. I like shorter posts because it means I can pack more real-life-artsy-whacko-short-film- concert goodness into my day all at once. That's pretty much the only reason. Short and sweet. Sweet. --Bekah htttp://www/missbhavens/com ps: I think your videos are a good length, whatever that is. I like them so much I never stopped to wonder or check how much time had elapsed while watching...maybe THAT'S the definition of good. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have noticed a lot of short=good what is considered short under 5 minutes? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant mortaine@ wrote: On 3/10/06, hpbatman7 heathparks@ wrote: Honestly, if someone isn't funny, I eventually stop watching their personal vlog. Why? Well, to be honest, I get enough of everyday people being very everyday in the rest of my life. That's interesting..funny is important to me as well but not as important as I orginaly thought. And sometimes I like ordinary not everyday but I find it interesting meeting new people, maybe that's why I kinda like the ordinary, but I agree that after a while.. Yes, when I started, I liked watching everything, because it was endlessly fascinating to watch strangers' lives. I'm more selective now. I still subscribe to a bunch of vlogs that I don't watch much of. Caveat: If it's the vlog of someone I've met in person, or gotten to know elsewhere, then it's automatically interesting enough to watch. But not necessarily interesting enough to show other people. I would think the opposite would be true, at least for me, and don't you think that in a way you do get to know people from there vlogs? Especialy if they do share their lives. I do, which is why I subscribe to vlogs that I don't watch. I subscribe for a while, decide if I'm watching them regularly enough. If not, then I eventually take them off my main vlog subscriptions. Oh, and I'd second the short = good comment. The longest vlog I subscribe to is Icenrye, and I have to say, I think it could be about 1/4 the length. Frequently, a lot of it (20 minutes or more) is him just talking to the camera, which could be done just as well in text or even audioblog format on the site, and then save the video download MB's for the stuff that's actual video. BUT, I keep it as an example of long-format videoblogging. Unfortunately, it takes a very long time to download, and for power settings reasons, I can't just leave my downloads running overnight. --Stephanie -- Stephanie Bryant mortaine@ Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at: http://www.mortaine.com/blogs Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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some have said the candle that burns twice as bright, lasts half as long francisco_daum wrote: Take a look at notorious alcoholics like Jack Kerouac and Ernest Hemingway. I would have rather seen them die of natural causes instead of cirrhosis and suicide respectively. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I recently watched some videos I did last year again, and they reminded me and my gf of our times back then. So that for me was a good vlog. Like a good photo album, but different :) And I watch Adam's woodchuck variety again and again, coz it's just so damn weird and Adam is such a quiet guy and who'd know he had all this stuff in him and I can't help but picture him in Hoboken making these weird things and I love the electronic voiceover I think it's fucking brilliant. So that, for me, is a good vlog. But all this might mean nothing to *you*. Good, for me, means good for me. And that's really all there is to it. Just my 0.02c Peter -- http://mefeedia.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
I really didn't mean to open a can of worms and like someone else pointed out I could have said what make a vlog popular. My intent was just to see if there was a standard and if so why. Based on all the comments it just seems to be No there is no standard which is great because I know good is a very subjective term, and I guess in my somewhat shallow way of thinking sometimes good=popular, which I know is not entirely true but hey, like I said sometimes I am shallow. ;) But also I was hoping people would point me to the stuff they like to help expand my horizon so to speak. Because I will say this there is a lot of stuff and trying to sort through it all can make for a long day :) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mrs. Ours MA PLPC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah that is such a loaded question... it's like asking...What makes a good salad? (please bear with me as almost all my analogies involve food or food preparation. I love to cook and it bleeds over). There are so many ways to make a salad and no real set WAY I mean a salad has a couple of ground rules... it's usually cold, and made with fresh ingredients of some kind and has some kind of dressing or sauce. After those ground rules are set... it's anyone's bag and I may hate a carrot raisin salad but I may adore an italian salad Even the way some people make the same salad can change my opinion. I adore my Mother-in- law's cranberry salad but I hate it when Aunt Helen makes it. So, what makes a good vlog is a hard thing to answer. I Love variety and my mood generally determines what's good today and what's good today may not be good tomorrow. I'm sure that some of my stuff isn't appealing to some... does that make it a bad vlog? of Course not. It means some people prefer other vlog material. What a wonderous gift we've been given as human beings... this lust and love of variety. Think about other animals that only eat specific things, only hunt certain prey or live in certain habitats... Wouldn't that suck? To be so llimited? I think for most of us we list the stuff we enjoy on our own sites under our show links. My list is ever expanding. There's just so much to see and then to link to it so other folks can enjoy it or not as they choose. I personally really enjoy that Most famous of Vlogs Richardshow.com But I also love Andy Carvin's vlog and they are certainly a small sample of the variety available in the Vlog universe. Variety, personal opinion, and a willingness to try something new. These are the factors within myself that determine what is good for me.but it certainly doesn't define what is good for someone else. My advice to anyone is always to explore. Check out as much as you can and create with your own special flair... Some people vlog sunsets, nature occuring as it occurs, and daisies growing. Some people would find that boring as hell. Get in touch with your inner film maker... film anything, everything, everywhere, anywhere... then watch your own footage... see what creative flow occurs. Sometimes you'll be surprised at what you yourself can create. Most importantly... Have fun with it. It's not worth doing if you're not having fun. Cheers! Lisa From: francisco_daum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog? Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:32:55 - Ah think it's about growth and improvement if not about being harmless. Take a look at notorious alcoholics like Jack Kerouac and Ernest Hemingway. I would have rather seen them die of natural causes instead of cirrhosis and suicide respectively. Maybe if they had the creative channel of vlogging they could have networked a lot better. We're just lucky we have their works available. Yeah so anyways good vlogging to me is about being harmless if not about growth and improvement. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, hpbatman7 heathparks@ wrote: I know I am opening a can of worms here (so to speak) and I may annoy some people with the question but.What makes a good vlog? I know that question is very subjective but I am new to all of this, just started at the end of December and I have been trying to find as many vlogs as possible. I have been to mefeedia, vlogdir, and of course just some old fashioned searching. I have found some I like, some I love and some. What's weird is that I am more drawn to things I never thought I would be, people and places, that probably under normal circumstances, I wuouldn't give 2 seconds to but now... I never saw myself as a reality person...maybe because the reality that regular TV trys to feed us, feels soUNreal. Now for me I like a mixture of stuff, ordinary, mixed
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
Bless you for this. I've never thought I'll post this because other vloggers will like it!. I also never referred to myself as a passionate indulgent artist, either, but whatever. P.I.A. ? I'll take it. Bekah http://www/missbhavens.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, brian gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perhaps another appropriate question to ask ourselves is: do we make videoblogs to please the other vloggers or ourselves? are we the passionate indulgent artists that we claim to be or have we succumbed to the very system we protest and make videos to only satisfy an audience? -taxiplasm http://gnitseretni.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
Well then my vlog must surely suck because it is in no way clear in it's subject, style or intent. I follow no guidelines. I have no theme. Sometimes my vlog is goofy, sometimes it's serious. Sometimes it's about me, sometimes it's not. Whatever grabs me gets posted. I'm not sure if I even have an intro other than to say that you never know what's going to happen...because you don't. Keywords and tags are cool but they don't say much about me. RSS I got. A catagory I don't got. Life is not necessarily clear in it's subject, style or content. Mine isn't, anyways. Bekah, http://www.missbhavens.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes a good vlog? What makes a good vlog isn't the vlog, but the things around it: The intro to the vlog (whether in stream or on the site which it is hosted) is clear in it's subject, style, and intent; It uses keywords to help peope locate it based on what the author believes it should be categorically; it offers a way to subscribe (email or RSS); it's compelling enough for you to forward to your friends. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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One of my favorites, too. All of the intimacy of a diary with all the technical beauty and stealth of an art house film. And sometimes the added bonus of a cute baby with chubby cheeks. Bekah --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my favorite vlog is pouring down http://feeds.feedburner.com/pouringdown Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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To you whom it may concern, Your vlog only sucks if you think so i often think my vlog sucks but then i sit back and aknowledge that it dosnt. My Opinion has nothing to do with what you think nor create. It has to do with my subjective existence. What I want to ingest in my life. (right here are 12 examples of irrationality) As does every other person, videoblogger or not. Anomoly or not I dont subscribe to your vlog so I dont know if it does or doesnt suck. I dont think in that terms, if I did then I'ld genericaly say, Welcome to the suck. It is what it is. I'm just providing my self-evidence. Exciting times in a choatic creative mess. http://mrmultiple2.blogspot.com Remember, If you are creating anything I am on that side. ~juan carlos gonzalez From: missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog? Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:53:18 - Well then my vlog must surely suck because it is in no way clear in it's subject, style or intent. I follow no guidelines. I have no theme. Sometimes my vlog is goofy, sometimes it's serious. Sometimes it's about me, sometimes it's not. Whatever grabs me gets posted. I'm not sure if I even have an intro other than to say that you never know what's going to happen...because you don't. Keywords and tags are cool but they don't say much about me. RSS I got. A catagory I don't got. Life is not necessarily clear in it's subject, style or content. Mine isn't, anyways. Bekah, http://www.missbhavens.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes a good vlog? What makes a good vlog isn't the vlog, but the things around it: The intro to the vlog (whether in stream or on the site which it is hosted) is clear in it's subject, style, and intent; It uses keywords to help peope locate it based on what the author believes it should be categorically; it offers a way to subscribe (email or RSS); it's compelling enough for you to forward to your friends. Yahoo! Groups Links _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On 3/11/06, juan gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your vlog only sucks if you think so i often think my vlog sucks but then i sit back and aknowledge that it dosnt. My Opinion has nothing to do with what you think nor create. It has to do with my subjective existence. Spoken like a true introvert. Seriously, though-- it's fair to ignore the audience and decide on a model in which vlogs are created, set out in the world, and what happens after that doesn't matter. For many people, the act of creation is motivation enough. However, I am an extrovert. Motivation to me means hearing back from people, participating in the creator/audience conversation in such a way that I do not ignore the audience, in fact, the audience is keenly important to me. So important, in fact, that I would stop videoblogging if I had no subscribers (stats bears this out-- I have very few subscribers to my audioblog and therefore rarely post to it-- it's the bastard stepchild of my blogs). Because of this, I do think there are good vlogs and bad vlogs, at least from my own aesthetic perspective, and I think that the good vlogs become more popular over time. I can't help it-- my aesthetic is pretty mainstream when it comes to video entertainment. When you create just for yourself, then you yourself will eventually say that one vlog post or another is bad, simply because it fell short of your expectations. When you create for an audience (or, your priorities include your audience as well as yourself), then you have a larger group capable of giving input on whether or not it's good or bad. --Stephanie -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at: http://www.mortaine.com/blogs Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Juan, The Creative Human Prototype v 0.77On 3/11/06, juan gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To you whom it may concern, Your vlog only sucks if you think so i often think my vlog sucks but then i sit back and aknowledge that it dosnt. My Opinion has nothing to do with what you think nor create. It has to do with my subjective existence. What I want to ingest in my life. (right here are 12 examples of irrationality) As does every other person, videoblogger or not. Anomoly or not I dont subscribe to your vlog so I dont know if it does or doesnt suck. I dont think in that terms, if I did then I'ld genericaly say, Welcome to the suck. It is what it is. I'm just providing my self-evidence. Exciting times in a choatic creative mess. http://mrmultiple2.blogspot.com Remember, If you are creating anything I am on that side. ~juan carlos gonzalez From: missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog? Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:53:18 - Well then my vlog must surely suck because it is in no way clear in it's subject, style or intent. I follow no guidelines. I have no theme. Sometimes my vlog is goofy, sometimes it's serious. Sometimes it's about me, sometimes it's not. Whatever grabs me gets posted. I'm not sure if I even have an intro other than to say that you never know what's going to happen...because you don't. Keywords and tags are cool but they don't say much about me. RSS I got. A catagory I don't got. Life is not necessarily clear in it's subject, style or content. Mine isn't, anyways. Bekah, http://www.missbhavens.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes a good vlog? What makes a good vlog isn't the vlog, but the things around it: The intro to the vlog (whether in stream or on the site which it is hosted) is clear in it's subject, style, and intent; It uses keywords to help peope locate it based on what the author believes it should be categorically; it offers a way to subscribe (email or RSS); it's compelling enough for you to forward to your friends. Yahoo! Groups Links _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
On 3/9/06, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I am opening a can of worms here (so to speak) and I may annoy some people with the question but.What makes a good vlog? Honestly, if someone isn't funny, I eventually stop watching their personal vlog. Why? Well, to be honest, I get enough of everyday people being very everyday in the rest of my life. That's interesting..funny is important to me as well but not as important as I orginaly thought. And sometimes I like ordinary not everyday but I find it interesting meeting new people, maybe that's why I kinda like the ordinary, but I agree that after a while.. Caveat: If it's the vlog of someone I've met in person, or gotten to know elsewhere, then it's automatically interesting enough to watch. But not necessarily interesting enough to show other people. I would think the opposite would be true, at least for me, and don't you think that in a way you do get to know people from there vlogs? Especialy if they do share their lives. Interesting feedback Stephanie. --Stephanie -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at: http://www.mortaine.com/blogs Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
So many things. One thing that works for me is when I see emotion. Also, I like really short ones. I often skim longer posts. I'll watch a few seconds at the beginning middle and end to see if I wanna watch the whole thing. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/9/06, hpbatman7 heathparks@ wrote: I know I am opening a can of worms here (so to speak) and I may annoy some people with the question but.What makes a good vlog? Honestly, if someone isn't funny, I eventually stop watching their personal vlog. Why? Well, to be honest, I get enough of everyday people being very everyday in the rest of my life. That's interesting..funny is important to me as well but not as important as I orginaly thought. And sometimes I like ordinary not everyday but I find it interesting meeting new people, maybe that's why I kinda like the ordinary, but I agree that after a while.. Caveat: If it's the vlog of someone I've met in person, or gotten to know elsewhere, then it's automatically interesting enough to watch. But not necessarily interesting enough to show other people. I would think the opposite would be true, at least for me, and don't you think that in a way you do get to know people from there vlogs? Especialy if they do share their lives. Interesting feedback Stephanie. --Stephanie -- Stephanie Bryant mortaine@ Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at: http://www.mortaine.com/blogs Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
On 3/10/06, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly, if someone isn't funny, I eventually stop watching their personal vlog. Why? Well, to be honest, I get enough of everyday people being very everyday in the rest of my life. That's interesting..funny is important to me as well but not as important as I orginaly thought. And sometimes I like ordinary not everyday but I find it interesting meeting new people, maybe that's why I kinda like the ordinary, but I agree that after a while.. Yes, when I started, I liked watching everything, because it was endlessly fascinating to watch strangers' lives. I'm more selective now. I still subscribe to a bunch of vlogs that I don't watch much of. Caveat: If it's the vlog of someone I've met in person, or gotten to know elsewhere, then it's automatically interesting enough to watch. But not necessarily interesting enough to show other people. I would think the opposite would be true, at least for me, and don't you think that in a way you do get to know people from there vlogs? Especialy if they do share their lives. I do, which is why I subscribe to vlogs that I don't watch. I subscribe for a while, decide if I'm watching them regularly enough. If not, then I eventually take them off my main vlog subscriptions. Oh, and I'd second the short = good comment. The longest vlog I subscribe to is Icenrye, and I have to say, I think it could be about 1/4 the length. Frequently, a lot of it (20 minutes or more) is him just talking to the camera, which could be done just as well in text or even audioblog format on the site, and then save the video download MB's for the stuff that's actual video. BUT, I keep it as an example of long-format videoblogging. Unfortunately, it takes a very long time to download, and for power settings reasons, I can't just leave my downloads running overnight. --Stephanie -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at: http://www.mortaine.com/blogs Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
I have noticed a lot of short=good what is considered short under 5 minutes? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/10/06, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly, if someone isn't funny, I eventually stop watching their personal vlog. Why? Well, to be honest, I get enough of everyday people being very everyday in the rest of my life. That's interesting..funny is important to me as well but not as important as I orginaly thought. And sometimes I like ordinary not everyday but I find it interesting meeting new people, maybe that's why I kinda like the ordinary, but I agree that after a while.. Yes, when I started, I liked watching everything, because it was endlessly fascinating to watch strangers' lives. I'm more selective now. I still subscribe to a bunch of vlogs that I don't watch much of. Caveat: If it's the vlog of someone I've met in person, or gotten to know elsewhere, then it's automatically interesting enough to watch. But not necessarily interesting enough to show other people. I would think the opposite would be true, at least for me, and don't you think that in a way you do get to know people from there vlogs? Especialy if they do share their lives. I do, which is why I subscribe to vlogs that I don't watch. I subscribe for a while, decide if I'm watching them regularly enough. If not, then I eventually take them off my main vlog subscriptions. Oh, and I'd second the short = good comment. The longest vlog I subscribe to is Icenrye, and I have to say, I think it could be about 1/4 the length. Frequently, a lot of it (20 minutes or more) is him just talking to the camera, which could be done just as well in text or even audioblog format on the site, and then save the video download MB's for the stuff that's actual video. BUT, I keep it as an example of long-format videoblogging. Unfortunately, it takes a very long time to download, and for power settings reasons, I can't just leave my downloads running overnight. --Stephanie -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at: http://www.mortaine.com/blogs Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
I'd say under 5 is excellent. 8-10 minutes is the limit. More than 10 minutes has to have a lot of great content. I love very short vlogs, 2-4 minutes. On 3/10/06, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have noticed a lot of short=good what is considered short under 5 minutes? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/10/06, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly, if someone isn't funny, I eventually stop watching their personal vlog. Why? Well, to be honest, I get enough of everyday people being very everyday in the rest of my life. That's interesting..funny is important to me as well but not as important as I orginaly thought. And sometimes I like ordinary not everyday but I find it interesting meeting new people, maybe that's why I kinda like the ordinary, but I agree that after a while.. Yes, when I started, I liked watching everything, because it was endlessly fascinating to watch strangers' lives. I'm more selective now. I still subscribe to a bunch of vlogs that I don't watch much of. Caveat: If it's the vlog of someone I've met in person, or gotten to know elsewhere, then it's automatically interesting enough to watch. But not necessarily interesting enough to show other people. I would think the opposite would be true, at least for me, and don't you think that in a way you do get to know people from there vlogs? Especialy if they do share their lives. I do, which is why I subscribe to vlogs that I don't watch. I subscribe for a while, decide if I'm watching them regularly enough. If not, then I eventually take them off my main vlog subscriptions. Oh, and I'd second the short = good comment. The longest vlog I subscribe to is Icenrye, and I have to say, I think it could be about 1/4 the length. Frequently, a lot of it (20 minutes or more) is him just talking to the camera, which could be done just as well in text or even audioblog format on the site, and then save the video download MB's for the stuff that's actual video. BUT, I keep it as an example of long-format videoblogging. Unfortunately, it takes a very long time to download, and for power settings reasons, I can't just leave my downloads running overnight. --Stephanie -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at: http://www.mortaine.com/blogs Yahoo! Groups Links -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at: http://www.mortaine.com/blogs Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
I love very short vlogs, 2-4 minutes. Just like a "real" news report, huh? We are the Sesame Street generation, the fast food generation, where we lose interest very quickly, so all the good stuff has to be pared down to fit into a 2-5 minute time slot. Which, of course, is a great way to learn how to edit effectively. -- BevBlog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/Journal: http://funnytheworld.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
hmmm... what about the more.. ahem..'arty' stuff steph? that seemed to be missing off your list.. here are some of my favourites.. i'm not going to write little descriptions of each one because sometimes that gives the wrong idea.. i would just say that all of the following constistently intrigue me, move me, or make me see the world a little differently. and none of them are funny (especially not you mr. nelson, we've had enough of your childish behaviour ;) ) so..in no particular orderhttp://fastmovinganimals.blogspot.comhttp://www.bottomunion.com http://nordark.blogs.com (although we've been a bit quiet recently haven't we kristina!)http://pouringdown.blogspot.comhttp://x.nnon.tv/vlog/ http://www.prototypen.com/blog/vjblog/http://www.nearlyenough.com/ http://gnitseretni.blogspot.com/and there are loads more.. so apologies to those i missed, don;t take it personally.. i just picked the first 8 from my 'art' tagsand yes.. generally these are all often short videos.. for me i just like short because of the fragmentation and the connections i can make between them hopefully my attention span is still there! i mean.. i still love tarkovsky :) be welld-- URL: http://29fragiledays.blogspot.com URL: http://www.kleindesign.co.uk SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
On 3/10/06, duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmmm... what about the more.. ahem..'arty' stuff steph? that seemed to be missing off your list.. here are some of my favourites.. sorry... it wasn't stephs list.. my mistake! although the vlogs i listed in my last post shouldn;t be dismissed as 'eye-candy' - there's a lot more to all of them i think.d-- URL: http://29fragiledays.blogspot.com URL: http://www.kleindesign.co.uk SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
I used to think this. But I'm getting away from it now. I like long videos if they are compelling. Drivetime is a good one that is long, as is The Pan. Nathan Miller has been posting 10 minute episodes lately and it's still not long enough for my wife, who is not a techie or a big vlog watcher. Also I wish This or That would stop cutting up theirs into 5 minute chunks and post entire shows. But maybe it's a bandwidth issue for them. And I've been toying with the idea of switching to a longer format too. I also think that the demand for longer video blog posts will go up as more people start to watch them on their TV's--and that's starting to happen as more people plug Mac Minis and Windows Media Centers into their tubes. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have noticed a lot of short=good what is considered short under 5 minutes? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant mortaine@ wrote: On 3/10/06, hpbatman7 heathparks@ wrote: Honestly, if someone isn't funny, I eventually stop watching their personal vlog. Why? Well, to be honest, I get enough of everyday people being very everyday in the rest of my life. That's interesting..funny is important to me as well but not as important as I orginaly thought. And sometimes I like ordinary not everyday but I find it interesting meeting new people, maybe that's why I kinda like the ordinary, but I agree that after a while.. Yes, when I started, I liked watching everything, because it was endlessly fascinating to watch strangers' lives. I'm more selective now. I still subscribe to a bunch of vlogs that I don't watch much of. Caveat: If it's the vlog of someone I've met in person, or gotten to know elsewhere, then it's automatically interesting enough to watch. But not necessarily interesting enough to show other people. I would think the opposite would be true, at least for me, and don't you think that in a way you do get to know people from there vlogs? Especialy if they do share their lives. I do, which is why I subscribe to vlogs that I don't watch. I subscribe for a while, decide if I'm watching them regularly enough. If not, then I eventually take them off my main vlog subscriptions. Oh, and I'd second the short = good comment. The longest vlog I subscribe to is Icenrye, and I have to say, I think it could be about 1/4 the length. Frequently, a lot of it (20 minutes or more) is him just talking to the camera, which could be done just as well in text or even audioblog format on the site, and then save the video download MB's for the stuff that's actual video. BUT, I keep it as an example of long-format videoblogging. Unfortunately, it takes a very long time to download, and for power settings reasons, I can't just leave my downloads running overnight. --Stephanie -- Stephanie Bryant mortaine@ Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at: http://www.mortaine.com/blogs Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
and yes.. generally these are all often short videos.. for me i just like short because of the fragmentation and the connections i can make between them hopefully my attention span is still there! When I was younger, I was like a lot of other film snobs- I believed that longer films were more artistic. I think this was because a lot of Hollywood tripe is actually pretty short. Eventually, though, I realized that extreme length is often a function of an editor not doing a good job or someone in the production crew being too in love with his/her work to leave it on the cutting room floor. I just eventually saw enough art flicks to not be wooed by pretention and gimmicks. Now, I love and praise anyone who can pack their entire point in to a small package, and my favorite format by far is the short. It's like the difference between reading Sartre and Camus. Sartre writes an imponderable 500-page tome that carries the same point that Camus makes in a paragraph. Brevity is the friend of the artist. -- Rhett. - This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes a good vlog? That's like asking what is good art. I personaly dont think there are good and bad vlogs. It's all a matter of personal taste. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
I second that.On 3/10/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes a good vlog? That's like asking what is good art. I personaly dont think there are good and bad vlogs. It's all a matter of personal taste. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.com | http://loadedpun.comVlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.comhttp://mefeedia.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to think this. But I'm getting away from it now. I like long videos if they are compelling. Drivetime is a good one that is long, as is The Pan. Nathan Miller has been posting 10 minute episodes lately and it's still not long enough for my wife, who is not a techie or a big vlog watcher. Also I wish This or That would stop cutting up theirs into 5 minute chunks and post entire shows. But maybe it's a bandwidth issue for them. And I've been toying with the idea of switching to a longer format too. As someone who posts 10-13 minute episodes/week, I can see the positive angle of having shorter posts. Although it's nice to have a show format, some people don't like downloading such large files... I know a lot of technophobes who freak out when they notice something downloading to their computer without their permission. As a result, I think it's easier to reach a wider audience if you have a shorter vlog. I also think that the demand for longer video blog posts will go up as more people start to watch them on their TV's--and that's starting to happen as more people plug Mac Minis and Windows Media Centers into their tubes. I agree... I'm sure the demand will go up as more people start to watch them on their TVs, but a few problems we will face is hosting, size/speed of download and content (with amateur video, it's more entertaining to deliver a certain amount of content in a smaller period of time than to drag it out... only Sergio Leone truly knew how to drag out the moment without boring people to death!). It would really suck if videoblogs became so lengthy that they started being more like podcasts... two guys talking about stuff and drinking beers in front of a camera. I think part of the attraction of videoblogs is that they _are_ usually quite brief and to the point (not unlike Samurai doctrine). Perhaps once advertizing makes more of its way into videoblogging there will be more of a demand (and a realistically funded way) to create longer shows. The hardest part of making my show so long is not the amount of work that is involved... it's that I have to work a full time job to support the 'hobby'. If funding was provided, making a longer show would be easy. Kitka http://www.kitkast.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
did you notice the guy's tee-shirt in mica's recent mtaa post? http://publicaddress.typepad.com/hello/2006/03/mtaa.html "a lot of art is boring" David Howell wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "hpbatman7" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes a "good" vlog? That's like asking what is good art. I personaly dont think there are "good" and "bad" vlogs. It's all a matter of personal taste. -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
There are no good or bad vlogs, only good or bad vloggers. /duckiing the plagiarist/remix police/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
On 3/10/06, duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/10/06, duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmmm... what about the more.. ahem..'arty' stuff steph? that seemed to be missing off your list.. here are some of my favourites.. sorry... it wasn't stephs list.. my mistake! although the vlogs i listed in my last post shouldn;t be dismissed as 'eye-candy' - there's a lot more to all of them i think. Perhaps, but I categorize vlogs which have as their main priority a visual art _expression_ as eye candy, because to call them art vlogs would, I am sure, get people howling at me that their personal diary vlogs are art, too. Which is true, but they aren't visual art. Eye candy is not dismissive. It's a phrase that distinguishes between art-as-political-commentary vlogs from art-as-a-visual-wow vlogs from art-as-something-that-instructs-and-informs vlogs. BTW: Since I watch vlogs mainly on my computer or my iPod, and not on my TV, the shorter format is important. Just as you don't want to read a novel on your computer, watching a long movie on the laptop is just not right. There are too many distractions. -- Stephanie Bryant[EMAIL PROTECTED]Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at:http://www.mortaine.com/blogs SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
A lot of art _is_ boring. It just gets my hackles up to read the 'what is a good vlog' thing come up :)It's all subjective. And to the credit of everyone that posted a reply, the information that came back was more to do with the format, length, etc. and less about the content/subject. You guys make me so proud :P Vlog because you want to, vlog becuase you've got something to say, vlog because you can...vlog like no one is watching.Let the flames fly, I am off my soapbox now.On 3/10/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did you notice the guy's tee-shirt in mica's recent mtaa post? http://publicaddress.typepad.com/hello/2006/03/mtaa.html a lot of art is boring David Howell wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes a good vlog? That's like asking what is good art.I personaly dont think there are good and bad vlogs. It's all amatter of personal taste. -- Markus Sandyhttp://apperceptions.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.com | http://loadedpun.comVlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.comhttp://mefeedia.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
my favorite vlog is pouring downhttp://feeds.feedburner.com/pouringdownOn 3/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A lot of art _is_ boring. It just gets my hackles up to read the 'what is a good vlog' thing come up :)It's all subjective. And to the credit of everyone that posted a reply, the information that came back was more to do with the format, length, etc. and less about the content/subject. You guys make me so proud :P Vlog because you want to, vlog becuase you've got something to say, vlog because you can...vlog like no one is watching.Let the flames fly, I am off my soapbox now. On 3/10/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did you notice the guy's tee-shirt in mica's recent mtaa post? http://publicaddress.typepad.com/hello/2006/03/mtaa.html a lot of art is boring David Howell wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes a good vlog? That's like asking what is good art.I personaly dont think there are good and bad vlogs. It's all amatter of personal taste. -- Markus Sandyhttp://apperceptions.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.com | http://loadedpun.comVlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.comhttp://mefeedia.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Sullhttp://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
On 10 Mar 2006, at 19:59, Devlon wrote: vlog like no one is watching LOL - for the vast majority of us, that's probably true. If you like it, it's good, if you don't, well, duh! ;) Anyone bold enough to claim they are objectively right? Thought not. My £0.02, Christian Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
I'll echo Sull's posting. I wish Pouring Down had new vids every single day. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my favorite vlog is pouring down http://feeds.feedburner.com/pouringdown On 3/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A lot of art _is_ boring. It just gets my hackles up to read the 'what is a good vlog' thing come up :) It's all subjective. And to the credit of everyone that posted a reply, the information that came back was more to do with the format, length, etc. and less about the content/subject. You guys make me so proud :P Vlog because you want to, vlog becuase you've got something to say, vlog because you can...vlog like no one is watching. Let the flames fly, I am off my soapbox now. On 3/10/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did you notice the guy's tee-shirt in mica's recent mtaa post? http://publicaddress.typepad.com/hello/2006/03/mtaa.html *a lot of art is boring* David Howell wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, hpbatman7 heathparks@ heathparks@ wrote: What makes a good vlog? That's like asking what is good art. I personaly dont think there are good and bad vlogs. It's all a matter of personal taste. -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org SPONSORED LINKS Individualhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireanthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Usehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . -- -- ~Devlon Blog: http://devlond.blogspot.com | http://loadedpun.com Vlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com SPONSORED LINKS Individualhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireanthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Usehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Sull http://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
I agree... most art _is_ boring. Good art to me is the set design on the space station in 2001: A Space Odyssey. Ikea catalogues are like porn to me... Kitka http://www.kitkast.com/ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, I do find a lot of art boring. Regardless of my B.F.A., which gives the assumption by some that I should know what I am talking about, that is only my opinion. Worth only what goes on in my own head :) David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy markus@ wrote: did you notice the guy's tee-shirt in mica's recent mtaa post? http://publicaddress.typepad.com/hello/2006/03/mtaa.html a lot of art is boring David Howell wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, hpbatman7 heathparks@ wrote: What makes a good vlog? That's like asking what is good art. I personaly dont think there are good and bad vlogs. It's all a matter of personal taste. -- Markus Sandy http://apperceptions.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
On 3/10/06, Christian Wach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Mar 2006, at 19:59, Devlon wrote: vlog like no one is watching LOL - for the vast majority of us, that's probably true.heh, yeah, we don't have to try to hard for that one. If you like it, it's good, if you don't, well, duh! ;) Anyone bold enough to claim they are objectively right? Thought not. My £0.02, Christian SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.com | http://loadedpun.comVlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.comhttp://mefeedia.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
I know it's subjective, and I agree that when you get caught up in whats good or bad it is all a matter of opinion, I guess for me, as someone new, I just wondered, if there was a standard and if so why.. being a comic geek, we have these sort of debates all the time and personly I enjoy it because it forces my out of my comfort zone, to explore thoughts, opinion's, attitudes, etc that under normal circumstances I would never get exposed to. I find that interesting..of course I may be the only one ;) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christian Wach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Mar 2006, at 19:59, Devlon wrote: vlog like no one is watching LOL - for the vast majority of us, that's probably true. If you like it, it's good, if you don't, well, duh! ;) Anyone bold enough to claim they are objectively right? Thought not. My £0.02, Christian Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
On 3/10/06, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it's subjective, and I agree that when you get caught up in whats good or bad it is all a matter of opinion, I guess for me, as someone new, I just wondered, if there was a standard and if so why..I see where you are coming from now. I wasn't faulting the question per se, but not knowing the motive behind the question I assumed :) being a comic geek, we have these sort of debates all the time and personly I enjoy it because it forces my out of my comfort zone, to explore thoughts, opinion's, attitudes, etc that under normal circumstances I would never get exposed to. I find that interesting..of course I may be the only one ;)These are always good things. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christian Wach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Mar 2006, at 19:59, Devlon wrote: vlog like no one is watching LOL - for the vast majority of us, that's probably true. If you like it, it's good, if you don't, well, duh! ;) Anyone bold enough to claim they are objectively right? Thought not. My £0.02, Christian SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.com | http://loadedpun.comVlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.comhttp://mefeedia.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
On 10 Mar 2006, at 20:19, hpbatman7 wrote: I know it's subjective, and I agree that when you get caught up in whats good or bad it is all a matter of opinion, I guess for me, as someone new, I just wondered, if there was a standard and if so why.. Then perhaps you meant to ask: What makes a *popular* vlog? Good/bad questions will usually provoke flame wars since people tend to forget that they have no monopoly on truth, regardless of how much they may claim they do. :) Christian Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
True...but you could also make the same argument about popular as well...and I guess in my limited way of thinking sometimes I equate good as popular, which is stupid and limiting I know but hey I am working on it :) And I've learned I need to be a bit clearer in my thought process sometimes..although were is the fun in that. ;) Although I am glad people did give me examples of vlogs they like etc, I will have plenty of stuff to look at this weekend. Heath - Batman Geek http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christian Wach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Mar 2006, at 20:19, hpbatman7 wrote: I know it's subjective, and I agree that when you get caught up in whats good or bad it is all a matter of opinion, I guess for me, as someone new, I just wondered, if there was a standard and if so why.. Then perhaps you meant to ask: What makes a *popular* vlog? Good/bad questions will usually provoke flame wars since people tend to forget that they have no monopoly on truth, regardless of how much they may claim they do. :) Christian Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
On 10 Mar 2006, at 21:02, hpbatman7 wrote: True...but you could also make the same argument about popular as well...and I guess in my limited way of thinking sometimes I equate good as popular, which is stupid and limiting I know but hey I am working on it :) At least popular is measurable - well, more so than good at least, though it is often debatable what the download statistics actually mean. Although I am glad people did give me examples of vlogs they like etc, I will have plenty of stuff to look at this weekend. Yeah, that has been the best thing about this thread - always good to find out what people like and recommend. Cheers, Christian Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
Okay this might be corny, but here goes... a good vlog is one that evokes some emotion using just the right amount of air time with a memorable hook. ask a ninja is an example of this. so is F.E.M. And yes there are bad vlogs. What makes them bad? Dishonesty. Not being honest with yourself or the viewer. Good news, there are a bunch of bad videos, but I haven't found a truly bad vlog. Although I am always open to be proven wrong. Does anyone have a list of bad vlogs? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?
The good vlog is the short. Rynaldo Papoy http://theone.castpost.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/9/06, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I am opening a can of worms here (so to speak) and I may annoy some people with the question but.What makes a good vlog? Here's my take on what makes a good vlog (in a nutshell, and yes, this is my own personal value judgement): If it's a personal vlog, a video diary kind of thing, then the person has to be funny. People are funny in different ways. I think you're funny in a self-deprecating kind of way (you're a geek, you know it, and you embrace it). Josh Leo is funny in another way. Michael Verdi is funny-- though sometimes he kind of frightens me, too. Honestly, if someone isn't funny, I eventually stop watching their personal vlog. Why? Well, to be honest, I get enough of everyday people being very everyday in the rest of my life. Caveat: If it's the vlog of someone I've met in person, or gotten to know elsewhere, then it's automatically interesting enough to watch. But not necessarily interesting enough to show other people. If it's a career vlog, showing a person's work, then it has to be interesting. Some jobs make better video than others. My job is basically me sitting on my butt in front of a computer all day-- not very interesting, which is why I vlog my fish instead. But, for instance, my mother's job would make great video: she owns a campground, and every day is a fight against entropy and the red line. If it's a hobby vlog, same thing: be interesting or at least educational. Teach me something about the hobby. Or, give me eye candy (I love LeanBack Vids' snow vlogs, because I don't have to drive to the snow-- they show it to me on screen!) Actually, I should have made eye candy vlogs a separate item on the list. Some vlogs are fascinating not by their Reality TV style, but by their art, and I love them for that. If it's a promotional vlog for a product or service, then it had better be both educational and newsbreaking, because otherwise I will see it as an ad. If it's a news vlog, then it should have news, yes, but funny delivery. The news is too depressing to be received without a smile. Educational vlogs teach me about something, like Crash Test Kitchen's cooking show. There are few enough fictional vlogs that the bar is kinda low. For me, the fiction vlog has to be well-planned and scripted, even if the execution is a bit amateur. Vlogs I don't watch much: Vlogs about vlogging (I do watch vlogs about video, but that's different) Vlogs about technology (which usually are vlogs about podcasting/vlogging tech) Vlogs reviewing vlogs I wouldn't call them bad vlogs, because they are often excellent vlogs. I am just not the right audience for them, and get a lot of the same news in text for mere KB here on the list. --Stephanie -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at: http://www.mortaine.com/blogs Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
