RE: Battery issues with new iPhone 8

[Sieghard Weitzel]

There can be situations where some app may have been corrupted in some way 
where it may use cellular or WiFi in the background and Resetting Network 
Settings can help in that it may force such an app or process to be terminated.
If a reboot or Reset Network Settings doesn't help doing a complete reset of 
the phone is the next step, best to have a backup, but first set up as a new 
phone and observe for a day or two if all is well, then restore the backup. If 
the problem comes back then whatever the problem is was part of the backup and 
then another reset is in order, this time the phone needs to be again set up as 
a new phone and your friend has to start from scratch, download apps, put back 
any content manually etc.
Maybe you recall how Mario was bitterly complaining that iOS 12 ruined the 
battery life on his iPhone SE and he mentioned some other issues also which I 
don't recall. Eventually he did a complete restore and set up as a new device 
and he reported that all was well after that. I know it's sucks and can be a 
lot of work depending on how many apps one has and how much stuff otherwise, 
but it is what it is.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Battery issues with new iPhone 8

Making sure to turn off background app refresh, screen time, WiFi Assist under 
Cellular, anything else that might be doing stuff behind the scenes.
I know you said he doesn't have any apps running, but he should turn off the 
background app refresh anyway and see how things go.

I'm going to assume this wasn't right after updating to iOS 12.0.1, because as 
others have noted, the battery drain can be large for the first day or two 
after an update.

HTH,
Richard



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Battery issues with new iPhone 8

I’m writing this on behalf of a friend who’s not on this list. He recently 
purchased an iPhone 8, and he is finding that his battery is not lasting well 
at all. For instance, overnight with the screen locked and nothing running in 
the background, he went from 100% to 43%. I seem to recall somebody saying that 
resetting network settings helps, although I don’t understand why it should. 
And I assume although I just did ask him in an email, have you rebooted the 
phone? Other than those two things, is there anything else he can do?
Mary


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Re: Orbit Reader

[Holly Anderson]

Actually, that’s not true, mass storage mode does work on mac.
HTH
Holly

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 5:17 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> this doesn’t work on mac.
> 
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 6:16 PM, Richard Turner  > wrote:
> 
> From reading the manual, while contemplating getting one, there is a “mass 
> storage mode” you can put it into so the USB connection to the computer sees 
> the SD card as a drive, so no real need for a card reader.
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RE: Orbit Reader

[Cris Ali]

It could be.  This is a feature that never interested me.  May be I saw it in 
the Braille me and confused it with the Orbit, since I bought the Orbit Reader 
and Braille Me at the same time. I remember trying it and found it weird so 
never bothered with it again.  However, I will try to look at the reading 
commands in the manual and see if it is mentioned or not.  If I find any 
mention of it I will let you guys know.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Orbit Reader

I Checked through the entire menu structure and saw no auto scrolling. You 
might be thinking of cursor blink.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader

Interesting. Could others conferm the auto scrolling?

Thanks,
Traci
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 20, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Cris Ali 
mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
My first Orbit reader had dot six in cell five always down.  It never came up, 
as if it was missing.  APH sent UPS to my home to pick it up at their own 
expense, and shipped me a beautifully working replacement at their own expense.
In contrast, when I bought Braille Me from NBP I had dot 1 in cell 13 always 
stuck down, It can only come up if I tapped on the display.  Worse than that,  
After the second charge, the unit stopped charging.  NBP agreed to take it 
back, provided that I pay for shipping it back with 360 dollars insurance at my 
own expense.  In other words, I paid 30 dollars shipping when I first bought 
the unit, and paid 22 dollars in shipping back the defective unit.  I ended up 
spending up 52 dollars on nothing.  When NBP received the defective unit I sent 
back to them, they changed the battery and still it wouldn’t charge.  They told 
me they believed it is some software bug which may be solved in a future 
firmware release.
I was less than satisfied with Braille Me and greatly disappointed with NBP’s 
customer’s service.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Donald 
Roberts
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 7:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader

My first Orbit had a dot which remained up. A P H replaced it promptly, and my 
second Orbit works very well. Pairing with my iPhone 6 was a piece of cake, and 
frankly I like reading text messages on the Orbit because of the constant 
nonstandard abbreviations which some persons insist on using.

Don Roberts

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:39 PM
Subject: Orbit Reader

Because of the autoscroll discussion, I’m curious if someone has purchased the 
Orbit Reader recently, how well is it working?
I know that last year there were some serious quality issues, but it looks like 
the firmware was updated in August 2018, so I’m now wondering about the current 
state of things.

I plan to join the Orbit Reader mailing list, but wondered if anyone on this 
list has recent experience with it.

Richard



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Re: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

[Maria Chapman]

HI.

i believe that in the latest couple of iOS updates, if you have the brightness 
set to auto and turn your screen curtain on, it will set the brightness to 
zero. If you turn the screen curtain off, it will automatically turn up the 
brightness. this is very handy, cause if I want to show someone sighted 
something, I don’t have to keep going in and turning the brightness up and then 
down again.

Maria
 

> On 21 Oct 2018, at 12:07 pm, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Screen Curtain will only mask it, not change brightness. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dave
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 7:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself
> 
> or turn your screen curtain on.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> From: Sarai Bucciarelli   
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> Subject: RE: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself
> 
> 
> Turn off auto brightness setting.
> 
> Located in accessibility, vision, display accomadation.
> 
> Be aware this can mess with your battery.
> 
> 
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 5:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself
> 
> 
> 
> Somewhere, it thinks the brightness is set to automatic.
> 
> Perhaps calling Apple Accessibility would be useful: 877-204-3930 in the US.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Subject: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all 
> 
> 
> 
> My question is, why is it that when I have set screen brightness to zero in 
> control panel and screen settings, it hit goes up by itself I have True Tone 
> and nightshade. 
> 
> 
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RE: Orbit Reader

[llumpkin]

I Checked through the entire menu structure and saw no auto scrolling. You 
might be thinking of cursor blink.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader

 

Interesting. Could others conferm the auto scrolling? 

 

Thanks,

Traci

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 20, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Cris Ali mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

My first Orbit reader had dot six in cell five always down.  It never came up, 
as if it was missing.  APH sent UPS to my home to pick it up at their own 
expense, and shipped me a beautifully working replacement at their own expense.

In contrast, when I bought Braille Me from NBP I had dot 1 in cell 13 always 
stuck down, It can only come up if I tapped on the display.  Worse than that,  
After the second charge, the unit stopped charging.  NBP agreed to take it 
back, provided that I pay for shipping it back with 360 dollars insurance at my 
own expense.  In other words, I paid 30 dollars shipping when I first bought 
the unit, and paid 22 dollars in shipping back the defective unit.  I ended up 
spending up 52 dollars on nothing.  When NBP received the defective unit I sent 
back to them, they changed the battery and still it wouldn’t charge.  They told 
me they believed it is some software bug which may be solved in a future 
firmware release.

I was less than satisfied with Braille Me and greatly disappointed with NBP’s 
customer’s service. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Donald Roberts
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 7:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader

 

My first Orbit had a dot which remained up. A P H replaced it promptly, and my 
second Orbit works very well. Pairing with my iPhone 6 was a piece of cake, and 
frankly I like reading text messages on the Orbit because of the constant 
nonstandard abbreviations which some persons insist on using.

 

Don Roberts

 

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:39 PM

Subject: Orbit Reader

 

Because of the autoscroll discussion, I’m curious if someone has purchased the 
Orbit Reader recently, how well is it working?

I know that last year there were some serious quality issues, but it looks like 
the firmware was updated in August 2018, so I’m now wondering about the current 
state of things.

 

I plan to join the Orbit Reader mailing list, but wondered if anyone on this 
list has recent experience with it.

 

Richard

 

 

 

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Re: Orbit Reader

[Traci Duncan]

Interesting. Could others conferm the auto scrolling? 

Thanks,
Traci

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
> 
> My first Orbit reader had dot six in cell five always down.  It never came 
> up, as if it was missing.  APH sent UPS to my home to pick it up at their own 
> expense, and shipped me a beautifully working replacement at their own 
> expense.
> In contrast, when I bought Braille Me from NBP I had dot 1 in cell 13 always 
> stuck down, It can only come up if I tapped on the display.  Worse than that, 
>  After the second charge, the unit stopped charging.  NBP agreed to take it 
> back, provided that I pay for shipping it back with 360 dollars insurance at 
> my own expense.  In other words, I paid 30 dollars shipping when I first 
> bought the unit, and paid 22 dollars in shipping back the defective unit.  I 
> ended up spending up 52 dollars on nothing.  When NBP received the defective 
> unit I sent back to them, they changed the battery and still it wouldn’t 
> charge.  They told me they believed it is some software bug which may be 
> solved in a future firmware release.
> I was less than satisfied with Braille Me and greatly disappointed with NBP’s 
> customer’s service.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donald 
> Roberts
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 7:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Orbit Reader
>  
> My first Orbit had a dot which remained up. A P H replaced it promptly, and 
> my second Orbit works very well. Pairing with my iPhone 6 was a piece of 
> cake, and frankly I like reading text messages on the Orbit because of the 
> constant nonstandard abbreviations which some persons insist on using.
>  
> Don Roberts
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:39 PM
> Subject: Orbit Reader
>  
> Because of the autoscroll discussion, I’m curious if someone has purchased 
> the Orbit Reader recently, how well is it working?
> I know that last year there were some serious quality issues, but it looks 
> like the firmware was updated in August 2018, so I’m now wondering about the 
> current state of things.
>  
> I plan to join the Orbit Reader mailing list, but wondered if anyone on this 
> list has recent experience with it.
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
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RE: Orbit Reader

[Cris Ali]

My first Orbit reader had dot six in cell five always down.  It never came up, 
as if it was missing.  APH sent UPS to my home to pick it up at their own 
expense, and shipped me a beautifully working replacement at their own expense.
In contrast, when I bought Braille Me from NBP I had dot 1 in cell 13 always 
stuck down, It can only come up if I tapped on the display.  Worse than that,  
After the second charge, the unit stopped charging.  NBP agreed to take it 
back, provided that I pay for shipping it back with 360 dollars insurance at my 
own expense.  In other words, I paid 30 dollars shipping when I first bought 
the unit, and paid 22 dollars in shipping back the defective unit.  I ended up 
spending up 52 dollars on nothing.  When NBP received the defective unit I sent 
back to them, they changed the battery and still it wouldn’t charge.  They told 
me they believed it is some software bug which may be solved in a future 
firmware release.
I was less than satisfied with Braille Me and greatly disappointed with NBP’s 
customer’s service.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donald 
Roberts
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 7:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader

My first Orbit had a dot which remained up. A P H replaced it promptly, and my 
second Orbit works very well. Pairing with my iPhone 6 was a piece of cake, and 
frankly I like reading text messages on the Orbit because of the constant 
nonstandard abbreviations which some persons insist on using.

Don Roberts

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From: Richard Turner
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Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:39 PM
Subject: Orbit Reader

Because of the autoscroll discussion, I’m curious if someone has purchased the 
Orbit Reader recently, how well is it working?
I know that last year there were some serious quality issues, but it looks like 
the firmware was updated in August 2018, so I’m now wondering about the current 
state of things.

I plan to join the Orbit Reader mailing list, but wondered if anyone on this 
list has recent experience with it.

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RE: Orbit Reader

[Cris Ali]

Orbit reader has auto scroll.  You can adjust the panning from one second to 
nine seconds I think.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of alia 
robinson
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 7:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader

no routing, not able to update on mac and no auto scroll are the reason I would 
never consider one.

On Oct 20, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Andy  wrote:

I've used an Orbit in various contexts, including in a training environment, 
iOS, and for reading.  The distinctive sound of the display refreshing is very 
annoying in a quiet setting, but in a noisier room it's hardly noticeable.  The 
lack of cursor routing keys, for me, is the reason I haven't bought one myself. 
 I use them extensively on other displays for editing, and I habitually tend to 
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Voice dream reader update successful

[Mary Otten]

Since I have had some fairly serious disappointments with certain upgrades of 
this app in the past, I thought I would report that I finally bit the bullet 
and updated to the latest version just now. Apparently, everything went well. I 
had to do it, because when my new iPhone comes next week, it’s going to install 
the latest version, which would not be compatible with my current library. So 
it looks like all’s well that ends well.
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RE: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

[Carolyn Arnold]

Screen Curtain will only mask it, not change brightness. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 7:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

or turn your screen curtain on.
 
Dave.
 
 
From: Sarai Bucciarelli   
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com   
Subject: RE: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself
 

Turn off auto brightness setting.

Located in accessibility, vision, display accomadation.

Be aware this can mess with your battery.

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

 

Somewhere, it thinks the brightness is set to automatic.

Perhaps calling Apple Accessibility would be useful: 877-204-3930 in the US.

 

Richard

 

 

 

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pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

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mojena
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 3:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

 

Hi all 

 

My question is, why is it that when I have set screen brightness to zero in 
control panel and screen settings, it hit goes up by itself I have True Tone 
and nightshade. 

 

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Re: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

[Dave]

in this case, i was refering to the screen brightness. and if the screen 
brightness, is set to auto, and the screen curtain is on, the screen brightness 
should set it’s self to zero, which will save battery.

But always check it, in the control center, if you turn your phone off, and on 
again.

Dave.


From: Cristobal Muñoz 
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

Screen curtain has nothing to do with it and won’t address the issue of battery 
drain.

Indeed, its auto brightness that needs to be disabled. I remember after iOS 11 
I think it was that this for whatever reason got turned on for me.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

 

or turn your screen curtain on.

 

Dave.

 

 

From: Sarai Bucciarelli 

Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:17 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

 

Turn off auto brightness setting.

Located in accessibility, vision, display accomadation.

Be aware this can mess with your battery.

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

 

Somewhere, it thinks the brightness is set to automatic.

Perhaps calling Apple Accessibility would be useful: 877-204-3930 in the US.

 

Richard

 

 

 

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pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of juan 
mojena
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

 

Hi all 

 

My question is, why is it that when I have set screen brightness to zero in 
control panel and screen settings, it hit goes up by itself I have True Tone 
and nightshade. 

 

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Re: Orbit Reader

[Donald Roberts]

My first Orbit had a dot which remained up. A P H replaced it promptly, and my 
second Orbit works very well. Pairing with my iPhone 6 was a piece of cake, and 
frankly I like reading text messages on the Orbit because of the constant 
nonstandard abbreviations which some persons insist on using.

Don Roberts

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:39 PM
  Subject: Orbit Reader


  Because of the autoscroll discussion, I’m curious if someone has purchased 
the Orbit Reader recently, how well is it working?

  I know that last year there were some serious quality issues, but it looks 
like the firmware was updated in August 2018, so I’m now wondering about the 
current state of things.

   

  I plan to join the Orbit Reader mailing list, but wondered if anyone on this 
list has recent experience with it.

   

  Richard

   

   

   

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Re: Orbit Reader

[alia robinson]

no routing, not able to update on mac and no auto scroll are the reason I would 
never consider one.

On Oct 20, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Andy  wrote:

I've used an Orbit in various contexts, including in a training
environment, iOS, and for reading.  The distinctive sound of the
display refreshing is very annoying in a quiet setting, but in a
noisier room it's hardly noticeable.  The lack of cursor routing keys,
for me, is the reason I haven't bought one myself.  I use them
extensively on other displays for editing, and I habitually tend to
reach above the display, only to recall that there are none on this
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RE: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

[Cristobal Muñoz]

Screen curtain has nothing to do with it and won’t address the issue of battery 
drain.

Indeed, its auto brightness that needs to be disabled. I remember after iOS 11 
I think it was that this for whatever reason got turned on for me.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

 

or turn your screen curtain on.

 

Dave.

 

 

From: Sarai Bucciarelli   

Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:17 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: RE: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

 

Turn off auto brightness setting.

Located in accessibility, vision, display accomadation.

Be aware this can mess with your battery.

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli   
www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

 

Somewhere, it thinks the brightness is set to automatic.

Perhaps calling Apple Accessibility would be useful: 877-204-3930 in the US.

 

Richard

 

 

 

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pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

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mojena
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 3:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

 

Hi all 

 

My question is, why is it that when I have set screen brightness to zero in 
control panel and screen settings, it hit goes up by itself I have True Tone 
and nightshade. 

 

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Re: Orbit Reader

[Andy]

I've used an Orbit in various contexts, including in a training
environment, iOS, and for reading.  The distinctive sound of the
display refreshing is very annoying in a quiet setting, but in a
noisier room it's hardly noticeable.  The lack of cursor routing keys,
for me, is the reason I haven't bought one myself.  I use them
extensively on other displays for editing, and I habitually tend to
reach above the display, only to recall that there are none on this
display.

The cell quality is truly remarkable.  For someone with extreme
neuropathy, I imagine this would be a game-changer.  I could see this
thing being used in Braille instruction for newer Braille readers for
that very reason.

On 10/20/18, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Obviously, my clipboard was missing a bit.
> The address should be
> or20-subscr...@tech.aph.org
>
> I hope that works.
> Richard
>
>
>
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> — Jane Wagner
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 2:08 PM, Richard Turner
> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>
> To subscribe to the Orbit Reader 20 email list, send a blank email to f
>
> Richard
> '"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
> it." — Jane Wagner
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Dave
> mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> would you have the subscription address, for the orbit reader mailing list
> please.
>
>
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 8:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Orbit Reader
>
> Because of the autoscroll discussion, I’m curious if someone has purchased
> the Orbit Reader recently, how well is it working?
> I know that last year there were some serious quality issues, but it looks
> like the firmware was updated in August 2018, so I’m now wondering about the
> current state of things.
>
> I plan to join the Orbit Reader mailing list, but wondered if anyone on this
> list has recent experience with it.
>
> Richard
>
>
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Re: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

[Dave]

or turn your screen curtain on.

Dave.


From: Sarai Bucciarelli 
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

Turn off auto brightness setting.

Located in accessibility, vision, display accomadation.

Be aware this can mess with your battery.

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

 

Somewhere, it thinks the brightness is set to automatic.

Perhaps calling Apple Accessibility would be useful: 877-204-3930 in the US.

 

Richard

 

 

 

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pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

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mojena
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

 

Hi all 

 

My question is, why is it that when I have set screen brightness to zero in 
control panel and screen settings, it hit goes up by itself I have True Tone 
and nightshade. 

 

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RE: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Turn off auto brightness setting.

Located in accessibility, vision, display accomadation.

Be aware this can mess with your battery.

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli   
www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

 

Somewhere, it thinks the brightness is set to automatic.

Perhaps calling Apple Accessibility would be useful: 877-204-3930 in the US.

 

Richard

 

 

 

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pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

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mojena
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Subject: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

 

Hi all 

 

My question is, why is it that when I have set screen brightness to zero in 
control panel and screen settings, it hit goes up by itself I have True Tone 
and nightshade. 

 

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Re: Orbit Reader

[Dave]

or you could run a virtual machine, on the mac.

Dave.


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 11:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Orbit Reader

No, and you cannot update the firmware/software on a Mac either as I understand 
it.

But, I have a Windows computer.  

I hope they can get it to do more with Mac computers since a lot of folks have 
them.

 

Richard

 

 

 

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robinson
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 3:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader

 

this doesn’t work on mac.

 

On Oct 20, 2018, at 6:16 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 

>From reading the manual, while contemplating getting one, there is a “mass 
>storage mode” you can put it into so the USB connection to the computer sees 
>the SD card as a drive, so no real need for a card reader.

 

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Re: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

[Dave]

if you turn your phone off, it can go up again, when you turn it back on.

Dave.


From: juan mojena 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 11:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

Hi all  

My question is, why is it that when I have set screen brightness to zero in 
control panel and screen settings, it hit goes up by itself I have True Tone 
and nightshade. 



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Re: Battery issues with new iPhone 8

[Mary Otten]

I recall seeing an article somewhere that screen time actually does eat some. 
But it’s off by default when you get the phone, and I’m quite sure he did not 
turn it on. Why the heck would you? Well I guess that answers obvious. But 
anyway, I’m sure his is off, and I suspect you were right about getting a 
replacement.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I doubt Screen time would eat that much, but I turned it off as I could care 
> less about my personal screen time.
> But, if he is losing that much over night at this point, he needs to talk 
> with Apple about a replacement.
> That is crazy. My iPhone SE hardly loses anything over night.
> Nor, my 8 plus for work.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> — Jane Wagner
> 
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> He says he updated to 12.01 about a week ago, and does have background 
>> refresh off.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Making sure to turn off background app refresh, screen time, WiFi Assist 
>>> under Cellular, anything else that might be doing stuff behind the scenes.
>>> I know you said he doesn't have any apps running, but he should turn off 
>>> the background app refresh anyway and see how things go.
>>> 
>>> I'm going to assume this wasn't right after updating to iOS 12.0.1, because 
>>> as others have noted, the battery drain can be large for the first day or 
>>> two after an update.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
>>> pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>>> Otten
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:39 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Battery issues with new iPhone 8
>>> 
>>> I’m writing this on behalf of a friend who’s not on this list. He recently 
>>> purchased an iPhone 8, and he is finding that his battery is not lasting 
>>> well at all. For instance, overnight with the screen locked and nothing 
>>> running in the background, he went from 100% to 43%. I seem to recall 
>>> somebody saying that resetting network settings helps, although I don’t 
>>> understand why it should. And I assume although I just did ask him in an 
>>> email, have you rebooted the phone? Other than those two things, is there 
>>> anything else he can do?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Auto Scroll with braille display

[Mary Otten]

And looking through the manual for the braillino, and I’m not sure if it was 
the latest one, I saw a list of file types that you could import to the device 
using their proprietary program that you install on your PC.  The file types 
listed are both doc and DOCx, plus RTF, HTML, and of course text files. The 
formatting I guess is stripped out, but the text information remains. They do 
not mention PDF files, even text base ones. I wonder if it is possible to get a 
text base PDF file from a computer to this device using the HT proprietary 
transfer program. That would be pretty special if it were possible. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 2:59 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> if all you want to do is read it’s worth it because you don’t notice the 
> smaller amount of cells because of the scrolling. I doubt the audio thing 
> drove the price up. I think their displays are just on the expensive side, 
> and IMO it shows. the braille, the feel of everything is the best I’ve ever 
> used.
> 
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 3:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> That auto scroll sounds like the only thing that would make a really small 
> display reasonably usable. I find the whole audio thing kind of not 
> necessary, and I wish it wasn’t included, because maybe the price would be 
> less. 2400 bucks for a 16 sell display is a lot of dollars.
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RE: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

[Richard Turner]

Somewhere, it thinks the brightness is set to automatic.
Perhaps calling Apple Accessibility would be useful: 877-204-3930 in the US.

Richard



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of juan 
mojena
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 3:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

Hi all

My question is, why is it that when I have set screen brightness to zero in 
control panel and screen settings, it hit goes up by itself I have True Tone 
and nightshade.

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RE: Orbit Reader

[Richard Turner]

No, and you cannot update the firmware/software on a Mac either as I understand 
it.
But, I have a Windows computer.
I hope they can get it to do more with Mac computers since a lot of folks have 
them.

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robinson
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this doesn’t work on mac.

On Oct 20, 2018, at 6:16 PM, Richard Turner 
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>From reading the manual, while contemplating getting one, there is a “mass 
>storage mode” you can put it into so the USB connection to the computer sees 
>the SD card as a drive, so no real need for a card reader.

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RE: Orbit Reader

[Cristobal Muñoz]

If ever they come out with a  40 cell option, I’d be all over that sucker like 
ugly on an ape.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 3:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Orbit Reader

 

>From reading the manual, while contemplating getting one, there is a “mass 
>storage mode” you can put it into so the USB connection to the computer sees 
>the SD card as a drive, so no real need for a card reader.

You would need to only copy the .brf file to the drive to read the book on the 
Orbit 20.

 

It sounds like they have worked out the bugs in production.

I think I could live with a 20 cell display for portability, not to mention, 
affordability.

 

Richard

 

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
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Subject: Re: Orbit Reader

 

I know it has an SD card, how would I download either book share or kindle 
books onto that card? Thanks

Lelia 

 

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On Oct 20, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Rebecca Ilniski mailto:rilni...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I can remember at first when I heard a friend’s Orbit Reader that the sound of 
the cells refreshing with each line that it would get annoying or be noisy.  
When I got the Orbit I was happy to discover that even while using it in church 
singing on a mike and at work during meetings no one has commented on hearing a 
strange noise.  I figured they might because I can hear it but even using it in 
a classroom works out well.  I thought that I would miss having cursor routing 
buttons but using the rotor with dots 2-3 chord and or dot 5-6 chord to go 
between words, lines, characters, and so forth then using dot 3 chord to go 
back and dot 6 chord to go forward to move the cursor works just as well.  It 
was an adjustment for me but I like its layout and it’s comfortable to type on 
and it keeps up with my typing speed.

 

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Email: rilni...@gmail.com  

Twitter: applegirl1994

 

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Brightness set to zero it goes up by itself

[juan mojena]

Hi all 

My question is, why is it that when I have set screen brightness to zero in 
control panel and screen settings, it hit goes up by itself I have True Tone 
and nightshade. 


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Re: Orbit Reader

[alia robinson]

this doesn’t work on mac.

On Oct 20, 2018, at 6:16 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

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RE: Orbit Reader

[Richard Turner]

>From reading the manual, while contemplating getting one, there is a “mass 
>storage mode” you can put it into so the USB connection to the computer sees 
>the SD card as a drive, so no real need for a card reader.
You would need to only copy the .brf file to the drive to read the book on the 
Orbit 20.

It sounds like they have worked out the bugs in production.
I think I could live with a 20 cell display for portability, not to mention, 
affordability.

Richard



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Subject: Re: Orbit Reader

I know it has an SD card, how would I download either book share or kindle 
books onto that card? Thanks
Lelia

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 20, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Rebecca Ilniski 
mailto:rilni...@comcast.net>> wrote:
I can remember at first when I heard a friend’s Orbit Reader that the sound of 
the cells refreshing with each line that it would get annoying or be noisy.  
When I got the Orbit I was happy to discover that even while using it in church 
singing on a mike and at work during meetings no one has commented on hearing a 
strange noise.  I figured they might because I can hear it but even using it in 
a classroom works out well.  I thought that I would miss having cursor routing 
buttons but using the rotor with dots 2-3 chord and or dot 5-6 chord to go 
between words, lines, characters, and so forth then using dot 3 chord to go 
back and dot 6 chord to go forward to move the cursor works just as well.  It 
was an adjustment for me but I like its layout and it’s comfortable to type on 
and it keeps up with my typing speed.

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Email: rilni...@gmail.com
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Re: Orbit Reader

[Cris Ali]

You either insert the card into your computer and copy the files to it, or 
connect the unit to your computer and see it as a drive and copy your material 
to it.



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I know it has an SD card, how would I download either book share or kindle 
books onto that card? Thanks

Lelia

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 20, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Rebecca Ilniski 
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I can remember at first when I heard a friend’s Orbit Reader that the sound of 
the cells refreshing with each line that it would get annoying or be noisy.  
When I got the Orbit I was happy to discover that even while using it in church 
singing on a mike and at work during meetings no one has commented on hearing a 
strange noise.  I figured they might because I can hear it but even using it in 
a classroom works out well.  I thought that I would miss having cursor routing 
buttons but using the rotor with dots 2-3 chord and or dot 5-6 chord to go 
between words, lines, characters, and so forth then using dot 3 chord to go 
back and dot 6 chord to go forward to move the cursor works just as well.  It 
was an adjustment for me but I like its layout and it’s comfortable to type on 
and it keeps up with my typing speed.

Rebecca Ilniski and guide dog Kabob
Email: rilni...@gmail.com
Twitter: applegirl1994


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RE: Orbit Reader

[Rebecca Ilniski]

You would download the book on to your computer.  Then using a SD card
reader which may be on the computer, if not they have card readers that can
hook up via USB port on your computer.  Then you extract or unzip the
bookshare book on to your sd card.  As far as Kindle books go, I use the
Kindle app on my phone to read my Kindle books through the Orbit reader
which is paired to my phone.  You can bluetooth the Orbit to your computer
also but I haven't figured that out yet.

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Re: Orbit Reader

[Cris Ali]

I have the Orbit Reader since the beginning of June. It works really 
beautifully. The sound is not as bad as some people may think, certainly less 
annoying than the sound of Braille Me. Because the display is so short, using 
the arrow keys to rout the cursor does not cause any inconvenience. The unit is 
very light and the refresh of the braille cells is very clean.
 I also bought a unit of Braille Me from NBP but i returned it after 3 weeks. 
The braille dots in my opinion were lousy, they get stuck very often and make 
the reading experience unpleasant. The unit is heavier than the Orbit Reader. 
It cannot be charged with a USB source and the charger that comes with the unit 
is bulky and heavy.



Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 20, 2018, at 4:04 PM, 
"llump...@austin.rr.com" 
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We have had the orbit for several months and it’s working wonderfully.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 2:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Orbit Reader

Because of the autoscroll discussion, I’m curious if someone has purchased the 
Orbit Reader recently, how well is it working?
I know that last year there were some serious quality issues, but it looks like 
the firmware was updated in August 2018, so I’m now wondering about the current 
state of things.

I plan to join the Orbit Reader mailing list, but wondered if anyone on this 
list has recent experience with it.

Richard



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Re: Orbit Reader

[Lelia Struve]

I know it has an SD card, how would I download either book share or kindle 
books onto that card? Thanks

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Rebecca Ilniski  wrote:
> 
> I can remember at first when I heard a friend’s Orbit Reader that the sound 
> of the cells refreshing with each line that it would get annoying or be 
> noisy.  When I got the Orbit I was happy to discover that even while using it 
> in church singing on a mike and at work during meetings no one has commented 
> on hearing a strange noise.  I figured they might because I can hear it but 
> even using it in a classroom works out well.  I thought that I would miss 
> having cursor routing buttons but using the rotor with dots 2-3 chord and or 
> dot 5-6 chord to go between words, lines, characters, and so forth then using 
> dot 3 chord to go back and dot 6 chord to go forward to move the cursor works 
> just as well.  It was an adjustment for me but I like its layout and it’s 
> comfortable to type on and it keeps up with my typing speed.
>  
> Rebecca Ilniski and guide dog Kabob
> Email: rilni...@gmail.com
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Re: Auto Scroll with braille display

[alia robinson]

if all you want to do is read it’s worth it because you don’t notice the 
smaller amount of cells because of the scrolling. I doubt the audio thing drove 
the price up. I think their displays are just on the expensive side, and IMO it 
shows. the braille, the feel of everything is the best I’ve ever used.

On Oct 20, 2018, at 3:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

That auto scroll sounds like the only thing that would make a really small 
display reasonably usable. I find the whole audio thing kind of not necessary, 
and I wish it wasn’t included, because maybe the price would be less. 2400 
bucks for a 16 sell display is a lot of dollars.

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RE: Orbit Reader

[Rebecca Ilniski]

I can remember at first when I heard a friend's Orbit Reader that the sound
of the cells refreshing with each line that it would get annoying or be
noisy.  When I got the Orbit I was happy to discover that even while using
it in church singing on a mike and at work during meetings no one has
commented on hearing a strange noise.  I figured they might because I can
hear it but even using it in a classroom works out well.  I thought that I
would miss having cursor routing buttons but using the rotor with dots 2-3
chord and or dot 5-6 chord to go between words, lines, characters, and so
forth then using dot 3 chord to go back and dot 6 chord to go forward to
move the cursor works just as well.  It was an adjustment for me but I like
its layout and it's comfortable to type on and it keeps up with my typing
speed.

 

Rebecca Ilniski and guide dog Kabob

Email: rilni...@gmail.com  

Twitter: applegirl1994

 

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RE: Orbit Reader

[Rebecca Ilniski]

I also have the Orbit Reader and really like it for what I need.  I can
agree that it's more stable than some of the bigger note takers like the
Braille Notes.  Those used to freeze on me constantly where I've not had my
orbit Reader freeze on me and it's  a lot cheaper.  It doesn't have the
bells and whistles but it works well with IOS, and can do Bookshare books
and other .brf files.  Also you can use it as a note taker and it comes with
an SD card installed.  

 

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Twitter: applegirl1994

 

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Re: Orbit Reader

[Richard Turner]

Obviously, my clipboard was missing a bit.
The address should be 
or20-subscr...@tech.aph.org

I hope that works.
Richard



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On Oct 20, 2018, at 2:08 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

To subscribe to the Orbit Reader 20 email list, send a blank email to f

Richard
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On Oct 20, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Dave 
mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:

would you have the subscription address, for the orbit reader mailing list 
please.


From: Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 8:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Orbit Reader

Because of the autoscroll discussion, I’m curious if someone has purchased the 
Orbit Reader recently, how well is it working?
I know that last year there were some serious quality issues, but it looks like 
the firmware was updated in August 2018, so I’m now wondering about the current 
state of things.

I plan to join the Orbit Reader mailing list, but wondered if anyone on this 
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Re: Orbit Reader

[Richard Turner]

To subscribe to the Orbit Reader 20 email list, send a blank email to f

Richard
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On Oct 20, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Dave 
mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:

would you have the subscription address, for the orbit reader mailing list 
please.


From: Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 8:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Orbit Reader

Because of the autoscroll discussion, I’m curious if someone has purchased the 
Orbit Reader recently, how well is it working?
I know that last year there were some serious quality issues, but it looks like 
the firmware was updated in August 2018, so I’m now wondering about the current 
state of things.

I plan to join the Orbit Reader mailing list, but wondered if anyone on this 
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Re: Battery issues with new iPhone 8

[Richard Turner]

I doubt Screen time would eat that much, but I turned it off as I could care 
less about my personal screen time.
But, if he is losing that much over night at this point, he needs to talk with 
Apple about a replacement.
That is crazy. My iPhone SE hardly loses anything over night.
Nor, my 8 plus for work.
Richard



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> On Oct 20, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> He says he updated to 12.01 about a week ago, and does have background 
> refresh off.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Making sure to turn off background app refresh, screen time, WiFi Assist 
>> under Cellular, anything else that might be doing stuff behind the scenes.
>> I know you said he doesn't have any apps running, but he should turn off the 
>> background app refresh anyway and see how things go.
>> 
>> I'm going to assume this wasn't right after updating to iOS 12.0.1, because 
>> as others have noted, the battery drain can be large for the first day or 
>> two after an update.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
>> pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Battery issues with new iPhone 8
>> 
>> I’m writing this on behalf of a friend who’s not on this list. He recently 
>> purchased an iPhone 8, and he is finding that his battery is not lasting 
>> well at all. For instance, overnight with the screen locked and nothing 
>> running in the background, he went from 100% to 43%. I seem to recall 
>> somebody saying that resetting network settings helps, although I don’t 
>> understand why it should. And I assume although I just did ask him in an 
>> email, have you rebooted the phone? Other than those two things, is there 
>> anything else he can do?
>> Mary
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Re: Auto Scroll with braille display

[Holly Anderson]

Hi, the refreshabraille has the braille above the keyboard, and I personally 
hated it. I thought it wouldn’t matter to me, but I found it really cumbersome, 
but that’s just my issue maybe. You may have different results.
Holly

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Wow! Thank you for that information. I had not heard of the Actolino. It 
> sounds very interesting, minus the audio. That part does not interest me at 
> all.
> 
> I'm looking forward to reading more on Access World. 
> 
> Traci
> PS. The Braille Me has the braille above the keyboard. Has anyone used a 
> display like this?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
>> The Verio ultra list is still up and running, and so far as I know, that new 
>> company does not have any US distributor or repair yet.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Rami Ahmad > > wrote:
>> 
>>> for your information, varioUltra and all other baum products are now 
>>> maintained by another company called visiobraille. they will continue the 
>>> development and distribution of these products. they can be found at 
>>> http://visiobraille.de 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 7:16 PM, Richard Turner >> > wrote:
>>> 
 *Note: I removed the section on the Vario Ultra since that company has 
 gone out of business.
 This article from Access World talks about autoscroll and I would 
 recommend reading the other articles that preceded this one to get good 
 information about a variety of braille displays.
 
 Keeping It Portable: Comparing Braille Displays on iOS Devices, Part III
 
 Scott Davert
 
 In Part I of this series
 , we took a look at four braille displays that carry out functions related 
 to an external device. However, some people may wish to have an integrated 
 suite
 of productivity applications for basic tasks such as reading books, taking 
 notes, performing simple calculations, etc., along with that connectivity. 
 This
 article will look at the internal functions of both the VarioUltra and 
 Actilino as they relate to iOS devices.
 
 The Actilino
 
 The Actilino is a 16-cell braille display manufactured by Help Tech, 
 formerly known as Handy Tech. Like the VarioUltra, it has a lot of 
 functions beyond
 being able to connect to external devices. It is shaped like a rectangle, 
 with a tapered edge at the front. Placing the device in front of you, with 
 its
 downward-sloping edge nearest you, you will find a speaker on the front 
 left, a Micro SD slot (used with internal functions), and a second speaker 
 on the
 right front side. Starting with the keys closest to you, from left to 
 right, you have the first of two rectangular-shaped Spacebars, a joystick, 
 and the
 second Spacebar. While the joysticks on both displays are round, the 
 VarioUltra's is almost flush with the display's surface, while the 
 Actilino's has
 a higher profile, and is thinner. Behind this, you will find a depression 
 that contains 16 cells of braille with a three-way rocker button at each 
 end
 (these rocker buttons are referred to as "triple-action keys" in the 
 manual). Each button can be pressed upward, downward, or straight down. 
 Behind the
 16 cells of braille, and level with the upper part of the rocker buttons, 
 are 16 cursor routing buttons that are raised slightly higher than the 
 depression
 that contains the cells. Behind the cursor routing buttons, and on an 
 elevated surface, is the Perkins-style keyboard. Like the VarioUltra, 
 these keys
 are configured with special attention paid to ergonomics. Unlike the 
 VarioUltra, between Dots 1 and 4, you will find an internal microphone. On 
 the back
 of the Actilino, there is a magnet, though it's not tactilely discernable 
 unless the display is in the case. The magnet ensures the Actilino stays 
 securely
 within the carrying case.
 
 On the left side of the Actilino, the port closest to you is a 3.5 mm 
 headphone jack. The port located behind the headphone jack is used for 
 charging,
 connecting to USB enabled external devices, and sending and receiving 
 data. Along the right side, closest to you is the round Power button 
 followed by
 a Type A USB port for plugging in external keyboards. The Actilino is 
 longer, heavier, and wider than the VarioUltra, weighing in at 14 ounces, 
 but that
 added weight and size translate into added functionality.
 
 Connecting to iOS
 
 For the first 15 minutes that the Actilino is powered on, Bluetooth is 
 activated. If you have had the device on for more than 15 minutes 

Re: Orbit Reader

[Devin Prater]

The sound is noticeable in an office setting, and a classroom one too, but it 
is far quieter than a Perkins braille writer, and most people don’t worry about 
that much. The cursor routing keys, yes sometimes I miss them, especially when 
navigating text and quickly navigating with Voiceover on the iPhone, but when 
simply reading, I don’t notice much.

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 3:37 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I have been using one for about 2 months now. I like the dots they are ferm 
> and pronounced. I have not looked at another display for about 20 years or 
> so. I have therefore nothing to compare. The price was the reason I purchased 
> the Orbert Reader. I have retired my Perkins now.
> Max.
> 
>> On 21 Oct 2018, at 6:39 am, Richard Turner > > wrote:
>> 
>> Because of the autoscroll discussion, I’m curious if someone has purchased 
>> the Orbit Reader recently, how well is it working?
>> I know that last year there were some serious quality issues, but it looks 
>> like the firmware was updated in August 2018, so I’m now wondering about the 
>> current state of things.
>>  
>> I plan to join the Orbit Reader mailing list, but wondered if anyone on this 
>> list has recent experience with it.
>>  
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
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Re: Orbit Reader

[Agent086b]

Hi,
I have been using one for about 2 months now. I like the dots they are ferm and 
pronounced. I have not looked at another display for about 20 years or so. I 
have therefore nothing to compare. The price was the reason I purchased the 
Orbert Reader. I have retired my Perkins now.
Max.

> On 21 Oct 2018, at 6:39 am, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Because of the autoscroll discussion, I’m curious if someone has purchased 
> the Orbit Reader recently, how well is it working?
> I know that last year there were some serious quality issues, but it looks 
> like the firmware was updated in August 2018, so I’m now wondering about the 
> current state of things.
>  
> I plan to join the Orbit Reader mailing list, but wondered if anyone on this 
> list has recent experience with it.
>  
> Richard
>  
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Re: Orbit Reader

[Dave]

would you have the subscription address, for the orbit reader mailing list 
please.


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 8:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Orbit Reader

Because of the autoscroll discussion, I’m curious if someone has purchased the 
Orbit Reader recently, how well is it working?

I know that last year there were some serious quality issues, but it looks like 
the firmware was updated in August 2018, so I’m now wondering about the current 
state of things.

 

I plan to join the Orbit Reader mailing list, but wondered if anyone on this 
list has recent experience with it.

 

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Re: Battery issues with new iPhone 8

[Mary Otten]

He says he updated to 12.01 about a week ago, and does have background refresh 
off.


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> On Oct 20, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Making sure to turn off background app refresh, screen time, WiFi Assist 
> under Cellular, anything else that might be doing stuff behind the scenes.
> I know you said he doesn't have any apps running, but he should turn off the 
> background app refresh anyway and see how things go.
> 
> I'm going to assume this wasn't right after updating to iOS 12.0.1, because 
> as others have noted, the battery drain can be large for the first day or two 
> after an update.
> 
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
> pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
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> 
> I’m writing this on behalf of a friend who’s not on this list. He recently 
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> at all. For instance, overnight with the screen locked and nothing running in 
> the background, he went from 100% to 43%. I seem to recall somebody saying 
> that resetting network settings helps, although I don’t understand why it 
> should. And I assume although I just did ask him in an email, have you 
> rebooted the phone? Other than those two things, is there anything else he 
> can do?
> Mary
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Re: Orbit Reader

[Traci Duncan]

How would you describe the sound of the unit? 

Also, do you miss cursor routing keys?

Thanks,
Traci


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RE: Orbit Reader

[llumpkin]

We have had the orbit for several months and it’s working wonderfully.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 2:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Orbit Reader

 

Because of the autoscroll discussion, I’m curious if someone has purchased the 
Orbit Reader recently, how well is it working?

I know that last year there were some serious quality issues, but it looks like 
the firmware was updated in August 2018, so I’m now wondering about the current 
state of things.

 

I plan to join the Orbit Reader mailing list, but wondered if anyone on this 
list has recent experience with it.

 

Richard

 

 

 

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Re: Orbit Reader

[Devin Prater]

I use the Orbit reader the sate rehab center has, and it’s really good. 
Sometimes the controls on the iPhone are a little awkward due to the placement 
of the joy stick from the display, but all in all, it’s a wonderful, solid, 
well-built display, much more durable than an $5000 note taker.

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Richard Turner  
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> 
> Because of the autoscroll discussion, I’m curious if someone has purchased 
> the Orbit Reader recently, how well is it working?
> I know that last year there were some serious quality issues, but it looks 
> like the firmware was updated in August 2018, so I’m now wondering about the 
> current state of things.
>  
> I plan to join the Orbit Reader mailing list, but wondered if anyone on this 
> list has recent experience with it.
>  
> Richard
>  
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RE: Battery issues with new iPhone 8

[Richard Turner]

Making sure to turn off background app refresh, screen time, WiFi Assist under 
Cellular, anything else that might be doing stuff behind the scenes.
I know you said he doesn't have any apps running, but he should turn off the 
background app refresh anyway and see how things go.

I'm going to assume this wasn't right after updating to iOS 12.0.1, because as 
others have noted, the battery drain can be large for the first day or two 
after an update.

HTH,
Richard



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Otten
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I’m writing this on behalf of a friend who’s not on this list. He recently 
purchased an iPhone 8, and he is finding that his battery is not lasting well 
at all. For instance, overnight with the screen locked and nothing running in 
the background, he went from 100% to 43%. I seem to recall somebody saying that 
resetting network settings helps, although I don’t understand why it should. 
And I assume although I just did ask him in an email, have you rebooted the 
phone? Other than those two things, is there anything else he can do?
Mary


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Orbit Reader

[Richard Turner]

Because of the autoscroll discussion, I'm curious if someone has purchased the 
Orbit Reader recently, how well is it working?
I know that last year there were some serious quality issues, but it looks like 
the firmware was updated in August 2018, so I'm now wondering about the current 
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Battery issues with new iPhone 8

[Mary Otten]

I’m writing this on behalf of a friend who’s not on this list. He recently 
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Re: Sling TV and us.

[Mary Otten]

Well, I’m glad it’s working again on the fire TV. I have the very same one that 
you do. And when I tried it a couple or three months ago, it didn’t work well 
at all. I couldn’t tell what I was on. It was a real mess. I really wanted it 
to work, because I really wanted to get pack 12 TV. It’s not available on 
DIRECTV unfortunately. Oh well. Maybe next year.


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> On Oct 21, 2018, at 10:51 AM, Fred Olver  wrote:
> 
> Mary, I have the Tosheba Fire TV with Alexa built-in, 41 or 43 inch. I tried 
> using both this week. Again, I found that the Fire TV would identify the 
> channels, what was on and even the items which one could access if you did 
> not wish to watch live TV. I found this especially useful when dealing with 
> TCM, Turner Classic Movies and other movie channels, not the premium 
> channels, but the ones which come with a subscription to either Sling Orange 
> or Sling Blue. An addendum to this is that in some cases, like Ted TV which 
> is available from the list of apps which one can use with the Fire tTV and 
> also VH1 that although one can open them, they are not necessarily 
> functional. That is to say that one can not access the information within 
> some of these apps. This is also true of Tune-in for the Fire TV and also Ted 
> for the Fire TV.
>  
> Fred
> - Original Message -
> From: Mary Otten
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Sling TV and us.
> 
> Hi Fred,
> That’s very interesting. I tried a trial of sling TV several weeks ago. I 
> also have an Apple TV and a fire TV. And I found it not very accessible on 
> either one. I was talking to Chris from Mystic access. And he said it was 
> really accessible on the Roku. The Roku voice is so awful that I didn’t go 
> there. And I canceled before I have to start paying for the service. So I’m 
> wondering when you did your trial, and was the app recently updated?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Fred Olver  wrote:
>> 
>> Since I have a Fire TV and Sling TV as well, I did a comparison using Sling 
>> TV with both the Fire TV made by Tosheba and also with the fourth generation 
>> of the Apple TV. No comparison, Sling TV is just barely accessible with the 
>> Apple TV and most accessible with the Fire TV, or the Fire TV Stick/Cube.
>>  
>> Just thought you'd like to know.
>>  
>> Fred
>> Fred Olver
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Re: Auto Scroll with braille display

[Mary Otten]

That auto scroll sounds like the only thing that would make a really small 
display reasonably usable. I find the whole audio thing kind of not necessary, 
and I wish it wasn’t included, because maybe the price would be less. 2400 
bucks for a 16 sell display is a lot of dollars.
Mary


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> On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:20 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> this is so much better than auto scroll on the actilino. it moves once your 
> finger gets to the end of a line. it doesn’t move until then, and it works on 
> the iphone! this is a game changer for reading braille for me. I have carpal 
> tunnel. I can’t push that advance button thousands of times, plus the orbit 
> doesn’t update with mac. it’s not something I would *ever* buy.
> 
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 2:17 PM,  
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> The orbit reader does not auto-scroll nor would I want it to. It functions as 
> a simple note taker which is just we've been wanting for years.
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Re: Auto Scroll with braille display

[alia robinson]

the audio isn’t on by default. you have to pair the actilino two ways one for 
audio and another for the display. they work independently of each other. you 
never have to activate the audio and it’s just like it’s not there, and yes, it 
scrolls after you turn it on with a key combination. I love it. 


On Oct 20, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

Wait a sec. Did I read that correctly? Actilino auto scrolls on the iPhone? Now 
that is very interesting.

Does that mean I could turn off all the audio features on the unit?

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Re: Auto Scroll with braille display

[Traci Duncan]

Wait a sec. Did I read that correctly? Actilino auto scrolls on the iPhone? Now 
that is very interesting.

Does that mean I could turn off all the audio features on the unit?

Thank you,
Traci

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> On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:20 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
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> this is so much better than auto scroll on the actilino. it moves once your 
> finger gets to the end of a line. it doesn’t move until then, and it works on 
> the iphone! this is a game changer for reading braille for me. I have carpal 
> tunnel. I can’t push that advance button thousands of times, plus the orbit 
> doesn’t update with mac. it’s not something I would *ever* buy.
> 
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 2:17 PM,  
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> The orbit reader does not auto-scroll nor would I want it to. It functions as 
> a simple note taker which is just we've been wanting for years.
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Re: Auto Scroll with braille display

[alia robinson]

this is so much better than auto scroll on the actilino. it moves once your 
finger gets to the end of a line. it doesn’t move until then, and it works on 
the iphone! this is a game changer for reading braille for me. I have carpal 
tunnel. I can’t push that advance button thousands of times, plus the orbit 
doesn’t update with mac. it’s not something I would *ever* buy.

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The orbit reader does not auto-scroll nor would I want it to. It functions as a 
simple note taker which is just we've been wanting for years.

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RE: Auto Scroll with braille display

[llumpkin]

The orbit reader does not auto-scroll nor would I want it to. It functions as a 
simple note taker which is just we've been wanting for years.


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robinson
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you don’t have to use it of course. I don’t. :) it’s cool if someone wants to, 
but I can’t see why they would imo.

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Wow! Thank you for that information. I had not heard of the Actolino. It sounds 
very interesting, minus the audio. That part does not interest me at all.

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Re: New mesh router and my thoughts on switching WiFi

[Eric Oyen]

Wait till you start using the 60Ghz 10 Gbps capable mesh units that should be 
getting marketed next year. QWualcomm introduced their new chips with this 
capability a few days ago. The only real issue I see with such short 
wavelengths (millimeter waves) is that they can be easily blocked by a sheet 
rock wall or brick even thick enough cardboard. Still, if you have a mesh 
network setup outside, then having other units within 100 feet could make for a 
very fast neighborhood network. :)

-Eric


> On Oct 19, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Cristobal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> I’ve got a second generation Eero with two extenders for a 3300 SQFT house. 
> Run two businesses out of it. 4k, TV, regular HD TVs, Fire Sticks/Fire TVs, 
> Ring Video Pro, desktop/laptops/wireless printer, iOS devices, etc. The one 
> thing we really don’t do are all that smart speaker/home automation  stuff 
> and yeah, Once you go mesh, you never go back. My TPLink triband AC router is 
> sitting in the closet collecting dust wondering what it did wrong.
> The one issue I’m still having is that my Ring Video still hangs when trying 
> to answer an alert. I really haven’t tried figuring it out though. My signal 
> in the garage where all my workout stuff is solid and I can get my Netflix on 
> and Pandora out to my heart’s content back there all I want while on the 
> treadmill or bike or whatever. My garage is further than where the Ring and 
> front door is so who nows.
> Anyway . . . yes, a Mesh system for serious connectivity really is the future.
> 
> Cristóbal
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 9:23 PM
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> Subject: New mesh router and my thoughts on switching WiFi
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I thought I briefly share this experience. I recently bought two Netgear Orbi 
> mesh routers, one Home edition and one Pro/Business edition for my retail 
> store.
> Nowadays having a robust WiFi network is essential especially if you have 
> some home automation devices and are moving towards more home automation. 
> Things like the ring Video Doorbell or Skybell HD Video Doorbell are 
> installed outside the house and even in a relatively normal sized home the 
> WiFi signal outside the fron tdoor may not be the best if the router is 
> located in the office on the other end of the house as it is the case for our 
> house. Of course at my retail store the problem is worse since it is quite a 
> bit larger, it has two floors and the outside of the wall in back has metal 
> siding which doesn’t help the signal. I had a traditional WiFi extender 
> before and while it is set up upstairs right against the outside wall and the 
> Ring Video Doorbell is basically just below it and maybe 10 feet over, we had 
> nothing but issues and even standing outside with my phone I often only 
> showed 1 bar on the WiFi.
> So, 2 days ago the Netgear Orbi home came, I purchased the version which 
> comes with 1 satellite and in the description it says that this package 
> should be good for a home up to 5000 sqft. Our house is significantly 
> smaller, but I set up the main unit near the modem where our fibre connection 
> terminates which is in the office at the very back of the house and it’s 
> about in the middle when you look at the house from left to right. The 
> satellite I put in the kitchen which overlooks the entry hall, it’s probably 
> about 35 or so feet from the main unit and all the way on one side of the 
> house. This unit is also only maybe 10 feet away from our entertainment stand 
> with the TV, our Apple TV and my wife’s TV box for getting The Filipino 
> Channel. It is also super close to the front door where our video doorbell is 
> and just outside the wall is our deck off the kitchen.
> After I finally figured out how to configure the routers we are now getting 3 
> out of 3 bars everywhere in the house as well as outside both on the deck, in 
> front and in the backyard and suddenly it is actually quite quick and easy to 
> answer the Ring Video Doorbell which before often would just sit there saying 
> “Loading”. I had a Netgear Nighthawk X6 AC3200 router before which is a very 
> high-end unit with 6 antennas, but it doesn’t even come close to the 
> performance of the Netgear Orbi.
> The Orbi has an app which is quite accessible and the web interface where you 
> can do quite a lot more is also very accessible from what I have seen so far. 
> The main unit has 4 ports, one is your Internet connection where you connect 
> it to your ADSL, cable or fibre modem and there are 3 ports to hook up 
> devices. I am using one for our Philips Hue bridge, another to plug in one of 
> my Sonos players and I am currently not using the third, at some point I plan 
> to get a NAS unit for at home and then I’ll need it for that. The satellite 
> unit which looks identical has also 4 ports, all are ethernet ports where you 
> can plug stuff in if you want.
> Here at home I use 

Re: Auto Scroll with braille display

[alia robinson]

you don’t have to use it of course. I don’t. :) it’s cool if someone wants to, 
but I can’t see why they would imo.

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Wow! Thank you for that information. I had not heard of the Actolino. It sounds 
very interesting, minus the audio. That part does not interest me at all.

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Re: Sling TV and us.

[Fred Olver]

Mary, I have the Tosheba Fire TV with Alexa built-in, 41 or 43 inch. I tried 
using both this week. Again, I found that the Fire TV would identify the 
channels, what was on and even the items which one could access if you did not 
wish to watch live TV. I found this especially useful when dealing with TCM, 
Turner Classic Movies and other movie channels, not the premium channels, but 
the ones which come with a subscription to either Sling Orange or Sling Blue. 
An addendum to this is that in some cases, like Ted TV which is available from 
the list of apps which one can use with the Fire tTV and also VH1 that although 
one can open them, they are not necessarily functional. That is to say that one 
can not access the information within some of these apps. This is also true of 
Tune-in for the Fire TV and also Ted for the Fire TV.

Fred
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Otten 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 2:22 PM
  Subject: Re: Sling TV and us.


  Hi Fred,
  That’s very interesting. I tried a trial of sling TV several weeks ago. I 
also have an Apple TV and a fire TV. And I found it not very accessible on 
either one. I was talking to Chris from Mystic access. And he said it was 
really accessible on the Roku. The Roku voice is so awful that I didn’t go 
there. And I canceled before I have to start paying for the service. So I’m 
wondering when you did your trial, and was the app recently updated?


  Sent from my iPhone

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Since I have a Fire TV and Sling TV as well, I did a comparison using Sling 
TV with both the Fire TV made by Tosheba and also with the fourth generation of 
the Apple TV. No comparison, Sling TV is just barely accessible with the Apple 
TV and most accessible with the Fire TV, or the Fire TV Stick/Cube.

Just thought you'd like to know.

Fred
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Re: Auto Scroll with braille display

[Richard Turner]

Yes, HIMS now handles Triumph displays and Earl is a part of HIMS, I could have 
included that info.
I did not know someone had taken over the Vario Ultra, though I have to say, I 
am underwhelmed by that product line. So, I have not gone looking for new info 
as I personally would never consider one.
Perhaps if this new handler makes some software/firmware changes, I will take a 
look. That is all I will say about Vario displays as I do not want to get into 
a long string of emails as to why I feel that way, so please, no one ask. It is 
just my basic reaction to aspects I don't like, though I know others do.
Enough said.
Later,
Richard



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On Oct 20, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Traci Duncan 
mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Wow! Thank you for that information. I had not heard of the Actolino. It sounds 
very interesting, minus the audio. That part does not interest me at all.

I'm looking forward to reading more on Access World.

Traci
PS. The Braille Me has the braille above the keyboard. Has anyone used a 
display like this?


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 20, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The Verio ultra list is still up and running, and so far as I know, that new 
company does not have any US distributor or repair yet.


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 20, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Rami Ahmad 
mailto:blindathle...@gmail.com>> wrote:

for your information, varioUltra and all other baum products are now maintained 
by another company called visiobraille. they will continue the development and 
distribution of these products. they can be found at 
http://visiobraille.de



On Oct 20, 2018, at 7:16 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

*Note: I removed the section on the Vario Ultra since that company has gone out 
of business.
This article from Access World talks about autoscroll and I would recommend 
reading the other articles that preceded this one to get good information about 
a variety of braille displays.

Keeping It Portable: Comparing Braille Displays on iOS Devices, Part III

Scott Davert

In Part I of this series
, we took a look at four braille displays that carry out functions related to 
an external device. However, some people may wish to have an integrated suite
of productivity applications for basic tasks such as reading books, taking 
notes, performing simple calculations, etc., along with that connectivity. This
article will look at the internal functions of both the VarioUltra and Actilino 
as they relate to iOS devices.

The Actilino

The Actilino is a 16-cell braille display manufactured by Help Tech, formerly 
known as Handy Tech. Like the VarioUltra, it has a lot of functions beyond
being able to connect to external devices. It is shaped like a rectangle, with 
a tapered edge at the front. Placing the device in front of you, with its
downward-sloping edge nearest you, you will find a speaker on the front left, a 
Micro SD slot (used with internal functions), and a second speaker on the
right front side. Starting with the keys closest to you, from left to right, 
you have the first of two rectangular-shaped Spacebars, a joystick, and the
second Spacebar. While the joysticks on both displays are round, the 
VarioUltra's is almost flush with the display's surface, while the Actilino's 
has
a higher profile, and is thinner. Behind this, you will find a depression that 
contains 16 cells of braille with a three-way rocker button at each end
(these rocker buttons are referred to as "triple-action keys" in the manual). 
Each button can be pressed upward, downward, or straight down. Behind the
16 cells of braille, and level with the upper part of the rocker buttons, are 
16 cursor routing buttons that are raised slightly higher than the depression
that contains the cells. Behind the cursor routing buttons, and on an elevated 
surface, is the Perkins-style keyboard. Like the VarioUltra, these keys
are configured with special attention paid to ergonomics. Unlike the 
VarioUltra, between Dots 1 and 4, you will find an internal microphone. On the 
back
of the Actilino, there is a magnet, though it's not tactilely discernable 
unless the display is in the case. The magnet ensures the Actilino stays 
securely
within the carrying case.

On the left side of the Actilino, the port closest to you is a 3.5 mm headphone 
jack. The port located behind the headphone jack is used for charging,
connecting to USB enabled external devices, and sending and receiving data. 
Along the right side, closest to you is the round Power button followed by
a Type A USB port for plugging in external keyboards. The Actilino is longer, 
heavier, 

Re: Auto Scroll with braille display

[Traci Duncan]

Wow! Thank you for that information. I had not heard of the Actolino. It sounds 
very interesting, minus the audio. That part does not interest me at all.

I'm looking forward to reading more on Access World. 

Traci
PS. The Braille Me has the braille above the keyboard. Has anyone used a 
display like this?


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> On Oct 20, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> The Verio ultra list is still up and running, and so far as I know, that new 
> company does not have any US distributor or repair yet.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Rami Ahmad  wrote:
>> 
>> for your information, varioUltra and all other baum products are now 
>> maintained by another company called visiobraille. they will continue the 
>> development and distribution of these products. they can be found at 
>> http://visiobraille.de
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 7:16 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> *Note: I removed the section on the Vario Ultra since that company has gone 
>>> out of business.
>>> This article from Access World talks about autoscroll and I would recommend 
>>> reading the other articles that preceded this one to get good information 
>>> about a variety of braille displays.
>>> 
>>> Keeping It Portable: Comparing Braille Displays on iOS Devices, Part III
>>> 
>>> Scott Davert
>>> 
>>> In Part I of this series
>>> , we took a look at four braille displays that carry out functions related 
>>> to an external device. However, some people may wish to have an integrated 
>>> suite
>>> of productivity applications for basic tasks such as reading books, taking 
>>> notes, performing simple calculations, etc., along with that connectivity. 
>>> This
>>> article will look at the internal functions of both the VarioUltra and 
>>> Actilino as they relate to iOS devices.
>>> 
>>> The Actilino
>>> 
>>> The Actilino is a 16-cell braille display manufactured by Help Tech, 
>>> formerly known as Handy Tech. Like the VarioUltra, it has a lot of 
>>> functions beyond
>>> being able to connect to external devices. It is shaped like a rectangle, 
>>> with a tapered edge at the front. Placing the device in front of you, with 
>>> its
>>> downward-sloping edge nearest you, you will find a speaker on the front 
>>> left, a Micro SD slot (used with internal functions), and a second speaker 
>>> on the
>>> right front side. Starting with the keys closest to you, from left to 
>>> right, you have the first of two rectangular-shaped Spacebars, a joystick, 
>>> and the
>>> second Spacebar. While the joysticks on both displays are round, the 
>>> VarioUltra's is almost flush with the display's surface, while the 
>>> Actilino's has
>>> a higher profile, and is thinner. Behind this, you will find a depression 
>>> that contains 16 cells of braille with a three-way rocker button at each end
>>> (these rocker buttons are referred to as "triple-action keys" in the 
>>> manual). Each button can be pressed upward, downward, or straight down. 
>>> Behind the
>>> 16 cells of braille, and level with the upper part of the rocker buttons, 
>>> are 16 cursor routing buttons that are raised slightly higher than the 
>>> depression
>>> that contains the cells. Behind the cursor routing buttons, and on an 
>>> elevated surface, is the Perkins-style keyboard. Like the VarioUltra, these 
>>> keys
>>> are configured with special attention paid to ergonomics. Unlike the 
>>> VarioUltra, between Dots 1 and 4, you will find an internal microphone. On 
>>> the back
>>> of the Actilino, there is a magnet, though it's not tactilely discernable 
>>> unless the display is in the case. The magnet ensures the Actilino stays 
>>> securely
>>> within the carrying case.
>>> 
>>> On the left side of the Actilino, the port closest to you is a 3.5 mm 
>>> headphone jack. The port located behind the headphone jack is used for 
>>> charging,
>>> connecting to USB enabled external devices, and sending and receiving data. 
>>> Along the right side, closest to you is the round Power button followed by
>>> a Type A USB port for plugging in external keyboards. The Actilino is 
>>> longer, heavier, and wider than the VarioUltra, weighing in at 14 ounces, 
>>> but that
>>> added weight and size translate into added functionality.
>>> 
>>> Connecting to iOS
>>> 
>>> For the first 15 minutes that the Actilino is powered on, Bluetooth is 
>>> activated. If you have had the device on for more than 15 minutes without 
>>> using
>>> Bluetooth, it switches off to conserve battery. It's not necessary to do 
>>> anything else on the Actilino before going into Settings > General > 
>>> Accessibility
 VoiceOver > Braille on your iOS device. Find the Actilino from the list of 
 displays in range, and double-tap it. The iOS device will come up with a 
 confirmation
>>> in the form of a PIN code that should match the one displayed on the 
>>> Actilino. Press Y on the Actilino, and then double-tap confirm on your iOS 
>>> device.

Re: Auto Scroll with braille display

[Mary Otten]

The Verio ultra list is still up and running, and so far as I know, that new 
company does not have any US distributor or repair yet.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Rami Ahmad  wrote:
> 
> for your information, varioUltra and all other baum products are now 
> maintained by another company called visiobraille. they will continue the 
> development and distribution of these products. they can be found at 
> http://visiobraille.de
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 7:16 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> *Note: I removed the section on the Vario Ultra since that company has gone 
>> out of business.
>> This article from Access World talks about autoscroll and I would recommend 
>> reading the other articles that preceded this one to get good information 
>> about a variety of braille displays.
>> 
>> Keeping It Portable: Comparing Braille Displays on iOS Devices, Part III
>> 
>> Scott Davert
>> 
>> In Part I of this series
>> , we took a look at four braille displays that carry out functions related 
>> to an external device. However, some people may wish to have an integrated 
>> suite
>> of productivity applications for basic tasks such as reading books, taking 
>> notes, performing simple calculations, etc., along with that connectivity. 
>> This
>> article will look at the internal functions of both the VarioUltra and 
>> Actilino as they relate to iOS devices.
>> 
>> The Actilino
>> 
>> The Actilino is a 16-cell braille display manufactured by Help Tech, 
>> formerly known as Handy Tech. Like the VarioUltra, it has a lot of functions 
>> beyond
>> being able to connect to external devices. It is shaped like a rectangle, 
>> with a tapered edge at the front. Placing the device in front of you, with 
>> its
>> downward-sloping edge nearest you, you will find a speaker on the front 
>> left, a Micro SD slot (used with internal functions), and a second speaker 
>> on the
>> right front side. Starting with the keys closest to you, from left to right, 
>> you have the first of two rectangular-shaped Spacebars, a joystick, and the
>> second Spacebar. While the joysticks on both displays are round, the 
>> VarioUltra's is almost flush with the display's surface, while the 
>> Actilino's has
>> a higher profile, and is thinner. Behind this, you will find a depression 
>> that contains 16 cells of braille with a three-way rocker button at each end
>> (these rocker buttons are referred to as "triple-action keys" in the 
>> manual). Each button can be pressed upward, downward, or straight down. 
>> Behind the
>> 16 cells of braille, and level with the upper part of the rocker buttons, 
>> are 16 cursor routing buttons that are raised slightly higher than the 
>> depression
>> that contains the cells. Behind the cursor routing buttons, and on an 
>> elevated surface, is the Perkins-style keyboard. Like the VarioUltra, these 
>> keys
>> are configured with special attention paid to ergonomics. Unlike the 
>> VarioUltra, between Dots 1 and 4, you will find an internal microphone. On 
>> the back
>> of the Actilino, there is a magnet, though it's not tactilely discernable 
>> unless the display is in the case. The magnet ensures the Actilino stays 
>> securely
>> within the carrying case.
>> 
>> On the left side of the Actilino, the port closest to you is a 3.5 mm 
>> headphone jack. The port located behind the headphone jack is used for 
>> charging,
>> connecting to USB enabled external devices, and sending and receiving data. 
>> Along the right side, closest to you is the round Power button followed by
>> a Type A USB port for plugging in external keyboards. The Actilino is 
>> longer, heavier, and wider than the VarioUltra, weighing in at 14 ounces, 
>> but that
>> added weight and size translate into added functionality.
>> 
>> Connecting to iOS
>> 
>> For the first 15 minutes that the Actilino is powered on, Bluetooth is 
>> activated. If you have had the device on for more than 15 minutes without 
>> using
>> Bluetooth, it switches off to conserve battery. It's not necessary to do 
>> anything else on the Actilino before going into Settings > General > 
>> Accessibility
>>> VoiceOver > Braille on your iOS device. Find the Actilino from the list of 
>>> displays in range, and double-tap it. The iOS device will come up with a 
>>> confirmation
>> in the form of a PIN code that should match the one displayed on the 
>> Actilino. Press Y on the Actilino, and then double-tap confirm on your iOS 
>> device.
>> 
>> Unique Features of the Actilino
>> 
>> Semi-Automatic Scrolling
>> 
>> Help Tech has an entire line of displays that feature Active Tactile Control 
>> (ATC) technology, which senses when your fingers reach the end of a line of
>> braille and automatically advances the display. While autoscrolling is 
>> certainly an option with other braille devices, none of the options on the 
>> market
>> support this functionality with iOS. Furthermore, though other displays have 
>> 

Re: Auto Scroll with braille display

[alia robinson]

the actilino has something like it. it scrolls based on the position of your 
finger, and it works with the iphone, and it is awesome.

On Oct 20, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Lelia Struve  wrote:

I think that because of the iPhone it doesn’t auto scroll which is too bad 
because I really wish that we could have that do that.

Lelia 

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> On Oct 20, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Is auto scroll all it is cracked up to be? Do any braille displays offer this 
> feature on the iPhones?
> 
> I was just reading about the braille Me, which has auto scroll, but I get a 
> sense it is only for the stand alone book and document reader.
> 
> Ive not experienced auto scrolling, but it seems to me, this would be the 
> most effective way to read a long document or book 14 or 20 cells at a time.  
> The concept sounds amazing. Braille scrolling beneath my fingers as I read. 
> Makes me think of a ticker tape.
> 
> For those of you familiar, could you tell me more. Suggest other braille 
> display models.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
> 
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Re: Auto Scroll with braille display

[Mary Otten]

Hi richard,
Since that article was written, I believe that triumph technologies is now part 
of hims. I mean that the displays  sold buy them directly from Handy tech or 
help tech are now part of the hymns product family. And I believe Earl Harrison 
is a hymns dealer.

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> On Oct 20, 2018, at 9:16 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> *Note: I removed the section on the Vario Ultra since that company has gone 
> out of business.
> This article from Access World talks about autoscroll and I would recommend 
> reading the other articles that preceded this one to get good information 
> about a variety of braille displays.
> 
> Keeping It Portable: Comparing Braille Displays on iOS Devices, Part III
> 
> Scott Davert
> 
> In Part I of this series
> , we took a look at four braille displays that carry out functions related to 
> an external device. However, some people may wish to have an integrated suite
> of productivity applications for basic tasks such as reading books, taking 
> notes, performing simple calculations, etc., along with that connectivity. 
> This
> article will look at the internal functions of both the VarioUltra and 
> Actilino as they relate to iOS devices.
> 
> The Actilino
> 
> The Actilino is a 16-cell braille display manufactured by Help Tech, formerly 
> known as Handy Tech. Like the VarioUltra, it has a lot of functions beyond
> being able to connect to external devices. It is shaped like a rectangle, 
> with a tapered edge at the front. Placing the device in front of you, with its
> downward-sloping edge nearest you, you will find a speaker on the front left, 
> a Micro SD slot (used with internal functions), and a second speaker on the
> right front side. Starting with the keys closest to you, from left to right, 
> you have the first of two rectangular-shaped Spacebars, a joystick, and the
> second Spacebar. While the joysticks on both displays are round, the 
> VarioUltra's is almost flush with the display's surface, while the Actilino's 
> has
> a higher profile, and is thinner. Behind this, you will find a depression 
> that contains 16 cells of braille with a three-way rocker button at each end
> (these rocker buttons are referred to as "triple-action keys" in the manual). 
> Each button can be pressed upward, downward, or straight down. Behind the
> 16 cells of braille, and level with the upper part of the rocker buttons, are 
> 16 cursor routing buttons that are raised slightly higher than the depression
> that contains the cells. Behind the cursor routing buttons, and on an 
> elevated surface, is the Perkins-style keyboard. Like the VarioUltra, these 
> keys
> are configured with special attention paid to ergonomics. Unlike the 
> VarioUltra, between Dots 1 and 4, you will find an internal microphone. On 
> the back
> of the Actilino, there is a magnet, though it's not tactilely discernable 
> unless the display is in the case. The magnet ensures the Actilino stays 
> securely
> within the carrying case.
> 
> On the left side of the Actilino, the port closest to you is a 3.5 mm 
> headphone jack. The port located behind the headphone jack is used for 
> charging,
> connecting to USB enabled external devices, and sending and receiving data. 
> Along the right side, closest to you is the round Power button followed by
> a Type A USB port for plugging in external keyboards. The Actilino is longer, 
> heavier, and wider than the VarioUltra, weighing in at 14 ounces, but that
> added weight and size translate into added functionality.
> 
> Connecting to iOS
> 
> For the first 15 minutes that the Actilino is powered on, Bluetooth is 
> activated. If you have had the device on for more than 15 minutes without 
> using
> Bluetooth, it switches off to conserve battery. It's not necessary to do 
> anything else on the Actilino before going into Settings > General > 
> Accessibility
>> VoiceOver > Braille on your iOS device. Find the Actilino from the list of 
>> displays in range, and double-tap it. The iOS device will come up with a 
>> confirmation
> in the form of a PIN code that should match the one displayed on the 
> Actilino. Press Y on the Actilino, and then double-tap confirm on your iOS 
> device.
> 
> Unique Features of the Actilino
> 
> Semi-Automatic Scrolling
> 
> Help Tech has an entire line of displays that feature Active Tactile Control 
> (ATC) technology, which senses when your fingers reach the end of a line of
> braille and automatically advances the display. While autoscrolling is 
> certainly an option with other braille devices, none of the options on the 
> market
> support this functionality with iOS. Furthermore, though other displays have 
> autoscrolling capability, they scroll automatically based on a set duration
> of time, not when your fingers reach the end of the display. I've found most 
> autoscrolling features to be more trouble than they're worth for this reason,
> but the ATC technology has changed that.
> 
> ATC for mobile 

Re: Auto Scroll with braille display

[Rami Ahmad]

for your information, varioUltra and all other baum products are now maintained 
by another company called visiobraille. they will continue the development and 
distribution of these products. they can be found at http://visiobraille.de



> On Oct 20, 2018, at 7:16 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> *Note: I removed the section on the Vario Ultra since that company has gone 
> out of business.
> This article from Access World talks about autoscroll and I would recommend 
> reading the other articles that preceded this one to get good information 
> about a variety of braille displays.
> 
> Keeping It Portable: Comparing Braille Displays on iOS Devices, Part III
> 
> Scott Davert
> 
> In Part I of this series
> , we took a look at four braille displays that carry out functions related to 
> an external device. However, some people may wish to have an integrated suite
> of productivity applications for basic tasks such as reading books, taking 
> notes, performing simple calculations, etc., along with that connectivity. 
> This
> article will look at the internal functions of both the VarioUltra and 
> Actilino as they relate to iOS devices.
> 
> The Actilino
> 
> The Actilino is a 16-cell braille display manufactured by Help Tech, formerly 
> known as Handy Tech. Like the VarioUltra, it has a lot of functions beyond
> being able to connect to external devices. It is shaped like a rectangle, 
> with a tapered edge at the front. Placing the device in front of you, with its
> downward-sloping edge nearest you, you will find a speaker on the front left, 
> a Micro SD slot (used with internal functions), and a second speaker on the
> right front side. Starting with the keys closest to you, from left to right, 
> you have the first of two rectangular-shaped Spacebars, a joystick, and the
> second Spacebar. While the joysticks on both displays are round, the 
> VarioUltra's is almost flush with the display's surface, while the Actilino's 
> has
> a higher profile, and is thinner. Behind this, you will find a depression 
> that contains 16 cells of braille with a three-way rocker button at each end
> (these rocker buttons are referred to as "triple-action keys" in the manual). 
> Each button can be pressed upward, downward, or straight down. Behind the
> 16 cells of braille, and level with the upper part of the rocker buttons, are 
> 16 cursor routing buttons that are raised slightly higher than the depression
> that contains the cells. Behind the cursor routing buttons, and on an 
> elevated surface, is the Perkins-style keyboard. Like the VarioUltra, these 
> keys
> are configured with special attention paid to ergonomics. Unlike the 
> VarioUltra, between Dots 1 and 4, you will find an internal microphone. On 
> the back
> of the Actilino, there is a magnet, though it's not tactilely discernable 
> unless the display is in the case. The magnet ensures the Actilino stays 
> securely
> within the carrying case.
> 
> On the left side of the Actilino, the port closest to you is a 3.5 mm 
> headphone jack. The port located behind the headphone jack is used for 
> charging,
> connecting to USB enabled external devices, and sending and receiving data. 
> Along the right side, closest to you is the round Power button followed by
> a Type A USB port for plugging in external keyboards. The Actilino is longer, 
> heavier, and wider than the VarioUltra, weighing in at 14 ounces, but that
> added weight and size translate into added functionality.
> 
> Connecting to iOS
> 
> For the first 15 minutes that the Actilino is powered on, Bluetooth is 
> activated. If you have had the device on for more than 15 minutes without 
> using
> Bluetooth, it switches off to conserve battery. It's not necessary to do 
> anything else on the Actilino before going into Settings > General > 
> Accessibility
>> VoiceOver > Braille on your iOS device. Find the Actilino from the list of 
>> displays in range, and double-tap it. The iOS device will come up with a 
>> confirmation
> in the form of a PIN code that should match the one displayed on the 
> Actilino. Press Y on the Actilino, and then double-tap confirm on your iOS 
> device.
> 
> Unique Features of the Actilino
> 
> Semi-Automatic Scrolling
> 
> Help Tech has an entire line of displays that feature Active Tactile Control 
> (ATC) technology, which senses when your fingers reach the end of a line of
> braille and automatically advances the display. While autoscrolling is 
> certainly an option with other braille devices, none of the options on the 
> market
> support this functionality with iOS. Furthermore, though other displays have 
> autoscrolling capability, they scroll automatically based on a set duration
> of time, not when your fingers reach the end of the display. I've found most 
> autoscrolling features to be more trouble than they're worth for this reason,
> but the ATC technology has changed that.
> 
> ATC for mobile devices must be enabled separately from ATC used with 

RE: Auto Scroll with braille display

[Richard Turner]

*Note: I removed the section on the Vario Ultra since that company has gone out 
of business.
This article from Access World talks about autoscroll and I would recommend 
reading the other articles that preceded this one to get good information about 
a variety of braille displays.

Keeping It Portable: Comparing Braille Displays on iOS Devices, Part III

Scott Davert

In Part I of this series
, we took a look at four braille displays that carry out functions related to 
an external device. However, some people may wish to have an integrated suite
of productivity applications for basic tasks such as reading books, taking 
notes, performing simple calculations, etc., along with that connectivity. This
article will look at the internal functions of both the VarioUltra and Actilino 
as they relate to iOS devices.

The Actilino

The Actilino is a 16-cell braille display manufactured by Help Tech, formerly 
known as Handy Tech. Like the VarioUltra, it has a lot of functions beyond
being able to connect to external devices. It is shaped like a rectangle, with 
a tapered edge at the front. Placing the device in front of you, with its
downward-sloping edge nearest you, you will find a speaker on the front left, a 
Micro SD slot (used with internal functions), and a second speaker on the
right front side. Starting with the keys closest to you, from left to right, 
you have the first of two rectangular-shaped Spacebars, a joystick, and the
second Spacebar. While the joysticks on both displays are round, the 
VarioUltra's is almost flush with the display's surface, while the Actilino's 
has
a higher profile, and is thinner. Behind this, you will find a depression that 
contains 16 cells of braille with a three-way rocker button at each end
(these rocker buttons are referred to as "triple-action keys" in the manual). 
Each button can be pressed upward, downward, or straight down. Behind the
16 cells of braille, and level with the upper part of the rocker buttons, are 
16 cursor routing buttons that are raised slightly higher than the depression
that contains the cells. Behind the cursor routing buttons, and on an elevated 
surface, is the Perkins-style keyboard. Like the VarioUltra, these keys
are configured with special attention paid to ergonomics. Unlike the 
VarioUltra, between Dots 1 and 4, you will find an internal microphone. On the 
back
of the Actilino, there is a magnet, though it's not tactilely discernable 
unless the display is in the case. The magnet ensures the Actilino stays 
securely
within the carrying case.

On the left side of the Actilino, the port closest to you is a 3.5 mm headphone 
jack. The port located behind the headphone jack is used for charging,
connecting to USB enabled external devices, and sending and receiving data. 
Along the right side, closest to you is the round Power button followed by
a Type A USB port for plugging in external keyboards. The Actilino is longer, 
heavier, and wider than the VarioUltra, weighing in at 14 ounces, but that
added weight and size translate into added functionality.

Connecting to iOS

For the first 15 minutes that the Actilino is powered on, Bluetooth is 
activated. If you have had the device on for more than 15 minutes without using
Bluetooth, it switches off to conserve battery. It's not necessary to do 
anything else on the Actilino before going into Settings > General > 
Accessibility
> VoiceOver > Braille on your iOS device. Find the Actilino from the list of 
> displays in range, and double-tap it. The iOS device will come up with a 
> confirmation
in the form of a PIN code that should match the one displayed on the Actilino. 
Press Y on the Actilino, and then double-tap confirm on your iOS device.

Unique Features of the Actilino

Semi-Automatic Scrolling

Help Tech has an entire line of displays that feature Active Tactile Control 
(ATC) technology, which senses when your fingers reach the end of a line of
braille and automatically advances the display. While autoscrolling is 
certainly an option with other braille devices, none of the options on the 
market
support this functionality with iOS. Furthermore, though other displays have 
autoscrolling capability, they scroll automatically based on a set duration
of time, not when your fingers reach the end of the display. I've found most 
autoscrolling features to be more trouble than they're worth for this reason,
but the ATC technology has changed that.

ATC for mobile devices must be enabled separately from ATC used with the 
display's internal functions. To toggle this feature on, when connected to a 
mobile
device, press Spacebar + Dots 1, 7, and 8. As of firmware version 1.6, you do 
not get confirmation that Mobile ATC is active until you move your fingers
to the end of a line and the braille refreshes. If ATC stops working after a 
while, it may be necessary to re-enable it as described above.

While there is a different setting for Mobile ATC, it is necessary to control 
its 

Re: Auto Scroll with braille display

[Lelia Struve]

I think that because of the iPhone it doesn’t auto scroll which is too bad 
because I really wish that we could have that do that.

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Is auto scroll all it is cracked up to be? Do any braille displays offer this 
> feature on the iPhones?
> 
> I was just reading about the braille Me, which has auto scroll, but I get a 
> sense it is only for the stand alone book and document reader.
> 
> Ive not experienced auto scrolling, but it seems to me, this would be the 
> most effective way to read a long document or book 14 or 20 cells at a time.  
> The concept sounds amazing. Braille scrolling beneath my fingers as I read. 
> Makes me think of a ticker tape.
> 
> For those of you familiar, could you tell me more. Suggest other braille 
> display models.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
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RE: Naming Faces in Photos

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don’t know of a way to “name your face”, I assume what he has done was do a 
2-finger double tap and hold and simply give the picture a label just as you 
can label a button or home screen icon with this method and it will oly label 
that pictutre. Also, the label or name will not stick if you send this picture 
to your computer or somebody else.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chip 
Orange
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 8:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Naming Faces in Photos

Will this only label that particular photo, or is it supposed to then recognize 
your face in other photos?

Thanks,

Chip



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Naming Faces in Photos

Hello,

Double tap with two fingers and hold on your chosen photo, wait for the chime.  
Type your description select done your photo should now be spoken with your 
label.
Sent from my iPhone

On 19 Oct 2018, at 10:25, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Hi People

The other week I managed to find a photo of me on my phone and name the face as 
me.

So when I’m flicking through my photos voice over says picture and contains 
Martin.

Now for the life of me I can’t remember how I did it.

People, how do you name faces in photos please.

I’ve an IPhone 6s and running IOS 12.

Cheers
Martin

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RE: Naming Faces in Photos

[Chip Orange]

Will this only label that particular photo, or is it supposed to then recognize 
your face in other photos?

 

Thanks,

 

Chip

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Malcolm Parfitt
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Naming Faces in Photos

 

Hello,

 

Double tap with two fingers and hold on your chosen photo, wait for the chime.  
Type your description select done your photo should now be spoken with your 
label.

Sent from my iPhone


On 19 Oct 2018, at 10:25, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

Hi People

 

The other week I managed to find a photo of me on my phone and name the face as 
me.

 

So when I’m flicking through my photos voice over says picture and contains 
Martin.

 

Now for the life of me I can’t remember how I did it.

 

People, how do you name faces in photos please.

 

I’ve an IPhone 6s and running IOS 12.

 

Cheers

Martin

 

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RE: New mesh router and my thoughts on switching WiFi

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Maybe you could integrate them, but there really is no point I my opinion. The 
advantage of a mesh router like the Eero or Netgear Orbi or Linksys Velop is 
that it creates a seamless WiFi network which is different from what you get 
with a traditional router and extenders. I spend quite a bit of time deciding 
which to get and while the eero was the original company who came up with the 
concept, the Netgear does one thing nobody else does, it uses one of the 5Ghz 
radios/channels as a backchannel or whatever they call it, i.e. the connection 
between the router and satellite or satellites is one that one 5 Ghz band and 
apparently the Netgear Orbi is pretty much at the top when it comes to speed. 
These mesh routers pop up like mushrooms in the fall now, just received an 
email from Synology that they are releasing a brandnew mesh router as well and 
given the reviews of their regular router I assume it will also be a good 
product. The Netgear Nighthawk X6 Triband router I had before was over $300 
canadian so by no means a cheap router, but when I recently upgraded my fibre 
connection from 125 Mbps download to 250 Mbps I would only get the 125 speed on 
anything connected to the Netgear Nighthawk. I assume maybe it was a setting or 
cable issue, but I ended up using the WiFi generated by my provider’s modem for 
a while until I got the Orbi. When I hooked it up I did so with a new Cat-6 
cable I ordered, one of the Amazzon Basic cables, and after it was set up I did 
a speedtest and I am now getting the full speed.
Cristobal is correct, these mesh systems are definitely the way to go. If your 
system with Airport Extreme and Airport Expresses works well I wouldn’t be in a 
hurry to change it. I bought this because I was frustrated with the WiFi I had 
never performing as well as I wanted it to. The Netgear Orbi Home package with 
1 satellite I bought was $426.99 on Amazon Canada, it was listed at a regular 
price of $499.99. I just checked on Amazon.com and it is currently listed at 
$328.97 US. There are multiple Orbi systems, I bought the fastest Triband 
system, the model is RBK50, there is also a less expensive RBK23 version. Here 
is the link for the one I bought:

NETGEAR Orbi Ultra-Performance Whole Home Mesh WiFi System - fastest WiFi 
router and single satellite extender with speeds up to 3 Gbps over 5,000 sq. 
feet, AC3000 
(RBK50)


Regards,
Sieghard

From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 4:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New mesh router and my thoughts on switching WiFi

For using an AirPort Extreme etc with the Netgear Orbi, what I found on the web 
is:
“My settings on the Airport (connected by ethernet to the Orbi via a switch):

Router mode:  Off(Bridge Mode)

Network Mode: Create a Wireless Network

SSID/Password:  Same as the Orbi network

Internet Connection:  DHCP



You must put AirPort Extreme, AirPort Time Capsule, and AirPort Express in 
bridge mode for the devices to function properly with your Orbi WiFi System.”

Does this actually work to be able to use the old Apple routers in conjunction 
with the mesh system?

Harry

On 20 Oct 2018, at 05:23, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi,

I thought I briefly share this experience. I recently bought two Netgear Orbi 
mesh routers, one Home edition and one Pro/Business edition for my retail store.
Nowadays having a robust WiFi network is essential especially if you have some 
home automation devices and are moving towards more home automation. Things 
like the ring Video Doorbell or Skybell HD Video Doorbell are installed outside 
the house and even in a relatively normal sized home the WiFi signal outside 
the fron tdoor may not be the best if the router is located in the office on 
the other end of the house as it is the case for our house. Of course at my 
retail store the problem is worse since it is quite a bit larger, it has two 
floors and the outside of the wall in back has metal siding which doesn’t help 
the signal. I had a traditional WiFi extender before and while it is set up 
upstairs right against the outside wall and the Ring Video Doorbell is 
basically just below it and maybe 10 feet over, we had nothing but issues and 
even standing outside with my phone I often only showed 1 bar on the WiFi.
So, 2 days ago the Netgear Orbi home came, I purchased the version which comes 
with 1 satellite and in the description it says that this package should be 
good for a home up to 5000 sqft. Our house is significantly smaller, but I set 
up the main unit near the modem where our fibre connection terminates which is 
in the office at the very back of the house and it’s about in the middle when 
you look at the house from left to right. The satellite I put in the kitchen 
which overlooks the entry hall, it’s probably about 35 or so feet 

Re: New mesh router and my thoughts on switching WiFi

[Mary Otten]

I got the Orbi mesh router a few months ago, and my expresses connected just 
fine to it. I only use them for airplay. And the Orby works wonderfully well, 
giving me signal in places where my airport extreme never did very well.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 12:16 AM, Apple Gourmet-  wrote:
> 
> I’m currently using an Apple extreme with for Apple airport express. Will I 
> have to junk these if I get a mesh router?
> Any suggestions on what to do with my Apple extreme and for airport expresses 
> which were quite expensive?
> Thank you very much!   
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Auto Scroll with braille display

[Traci Duncan]

Is auto scroll all it is cracked up to be? Do any braille displays offer this 
feature on the iPhones?

I was just reading about the braille Me, which has auto scroll, but I get a 
sense it is only for the stand alone book and document reader.

Ive not experienced auto scrolling, but it seems to me, this would be the most 
effective way to read a long document or book 14 or 20 cells at a time.  The 
concept sounds amazing. Braille scrolling beneath my fingers as I read. Makes 
me think of a ticker tape.

For those of you familiar, could you tell me more. Suggest other braille 
display models.

Thank you,
Traci

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resolved: Re: almost no app updates anymore in itunes 12.6.4

[Davy Cuppens]

Mark

I found out what the problem was: I don't understand it but I had only 3 
apps left in my library without erasing anything.
I went to my folder of all mobile apps and added them to my library again 
and now all seems to work fine again.

Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: M. Taylor

Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 4:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: almost no app updates anymore in itunes 12.6.4

Hello Davy,

Apple continues to update iTunes for business and individual apps continue 
to be updated from within the latest version, in Windows.


For the latest version of iTunes for business, go to:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208079

After installing, individual apps should continue to be updated.

Good Luck,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Davy Cuppens

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 9:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: almost no app updates anymore in itunes 12.6.4

Hi folks

I am still running itunes 12.6.4 with appstoren embedded.

Since 18 March, I notice that except for some popular apps like fb and 
messenger the library of apps is nolonger updating itselves when I ask it 
to do so while chosing apps and updates.
Most of my apps are from this date updated. I use that old itunes because I 
can get back to previous app updates when some updates would include 
accessibility regressions.
It seems like Apple is nolonger supporting app updates even not in this old 
itunes especially issued for business environements so that people can still 
have an appstore on their itunes?

Any iedeas?
Regards
Davy
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Re: New mesh router and my thoughts on switching WiFi

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

For using an AirPort Extreme etc with the Netgear Orbi, what I found on the web 
is:
“My settings on the Airport (connected by ethernet to the Orbi via a switch): 
Router mode:  Off(Bridge Mode)
Network Mode: Create a Wireless Network
SSID/Password:  Same as the Orbi network
Internet Connection:  DHCP

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bridge mode for the devices to function properly with your Orbi WiFi System.”
Does this actually work to be able to use the old Apple routers in conjunction 
with the mesh system? 
Harry

> On 20 Oct 2018, at 05:23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I thought I briefly share this experience. I recently bought two Netgear Orbi 
> mesh routers, one Home edition and one Pro/Business edition for my retail 
> store.
> Nowadays having a robust WiFi network is essential especially if you have 
> some home automation devices and are moving towards more home automation. 
> Things like the ring Video Doorbell or Skybell HD Video Doorbell are 
> installed outside the house and even in a relatively normal sized home the 
> WiFi signal outside the fron tdoor may not be the best if the router is 
> located in the office on the other end of the house as it is the case for our 
> house. Of course at my retail store the problem is worse since it is quite a 
> bit larger, it has two floors and the outside of the wall in back has metal 
> siding which doesn’t help the signal. I had a traditional WiFi extender 
> before and while it is set up upstairs right against the outside wall and the 
> Ring Video Doorbell is basically just below it and maybe 10 feet over, we had 
> nothing but issues and even standing outside with my phone I often only 
> showed 1 bar on the WiFi.
> So, 2 days ago the Netgear Orbi home came, I purchased the version which 
> comes with 1 satellite and in the description it says that this package 
> should be good for a home up to 5000 sqft. Our house is significantly 
> smaller, but I set up the main unit near the modem where our fibre connection 
> terminates which is in the office at the very back of the house and it’s 
> about in the middle when you look at the house from left to right. The 
> satellite I put in the kitchen which overlooks the entry hall, it’s probably 
> about 35 or so feet from the main unit and all the way on one side of the 
> house. This unit is also only maybe 10 feet away from our entertainment stand 
> with the TV, our Apple TV and my wife’s TV box for getting The Filipino 
> Channel. It is also super close to the front door where our video doorbell is 
> and just outside the wall is our deck off the kitchen.
> After I finally figured out how to configure the routers we are now getting 3 
> out of 3 bars everywhere in the house as well as outside both on the deck, in 
> front and in the backyard and suddenly it is actually quite quick and easy to 
> answer the Ring Video Doorbell which before often would just sit there saying 
> “Loading”. I had a Netgear Nighthawk X6 AC3200 router before which is a very 
> high-end unit with 6 antennas, but it doesn’t even come close to the 
> performance of the Netgear Orbi.
> The Orbi has an app which is quite accessible and the web interface where you 
> can do quite a lot more is also very accessible from what I have seen so far. 
> The main unit has 4 ports, one is your Internet connection where you connect 
> it to your ADSL, cable or fibre modem and there are 3 ports to hook up 
> devices. I am using one for our Philips Hue bridge, another to plug in one of 
> my Sonos players and I am currently not using the third, at some point I plan 
> to get a NAS unit for at home and then I’ll need it for that. The satellite 
> unit which looks identical has also 4 ports, all are ethernet ports where you 
> can plug stuff in if you want.
> Here at home I use WiFi for pretty much everything, my laptop, printer as 
> well as the Apple TV and my wife’s Filipino channel set top box. These could 
> all be plugged in, but much easier without cables. All our other stuff needs 
> to be wireless anyways, but I did find out how much of a pain it is to change 
> WiFi networks, here is what we all had to reconnect to the new WiFi network:
> 4 Amazon Echo speakers
> Honeywell Lyric T5 thermostat
> Ring Video Doorbell
> Apple TV
> Filipino Channel Set top box
> My iPhone, my wife’s iPhone and the laptop (those were easy)
> HP Officejet Printer
> 2 Nest Protect smoke alarms
> Withings/Nokia Body Plus smartscale
> Sonos and Philips Hue just worked as they are wired
>  
> I should get the Netgear Orbi Pro next week, then I can have some more fun 
> doing the same thing at my store although here most of the computers are 
> wired as is the larger Officejet printer, but we do have 5 Dropam (now 
> Nestcam) 2 WiFi thermostats, a Skybell HD which by the way even on the 
> current WiFi works way bettter than the Ring Pro we had before.
> Then there are 4 of the Meross smart wall switches 

Re: 7 little words help

[Janet Bell]

Hi the problem has resolved itself.  Janet

From: Judy Holloway 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: 7 little words help


What seems to be the problem? I've been using it successfully, although not 
today. 

Thanks.

Judy




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please can someone tell me why the pinging indicator no longer works in 7 
little words and if it is a setting that has changed please can someone let me 
know.  thanks a lot.  Janet
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RE: Braille displays

[Robert Wright]

What I find interesting about what I read about the Orbit is that it has the 
same features as the HIMS BrailleEdge 40.

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From: llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 5:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays

We have an orbit reader and absolutely love it. It has no fancy bells and 
whistles but displays Braille beautifully and pairs beautifully with phones so 
I hear though we don't do that. It won't scroll but will take any braille file 
you put in it.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Susie 
Stageberg
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 6:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille displays

Hello Lelia. My condolences.

I have a Brailliant 14 for my phone. You do have to pan, and since It only has 
14 cells, the speech is usually ahead of how fast the Braille displays. But I 
really like it. I tried the new BrailleMe from a company in  India and could 
never get it to pair with the phone. I have seen a demo of something called El 
Braille from Freedom Scientific, or whatever they are calling themselves now, 
and it is really cool---it's a Windows 10 tablet dressed up to look like a 
notetaker. 

But on my desktop I use an Alva Satellite 570,  which I bought used. So I am 
not the source of the latest and greatest. Of course the Alva will have nothing 
to do with the phone. (grin)

Hope you can find something that will work well for you. Braille with the 
computer has become so essential to me that I can't imagine trying to do 
without it.

Susie


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lelia Struve
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 4:26 PM
To: Viphone
Subject: Braille displays

Well, this is a very sad day. My braille display said goodbye to me. I shocked 
it and I shocked it goodbye. So there is a few things that I am wondering, do  
any braille displays automatically pan to the next page or line or do you have 
to manually do that with all of them? Another thing I’m wondering is if anyone 
has used many braille displays which do you think is the best for you?  I do 
realize that what is best for one is it best for all. I am just wondering.

Lelia 

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RE: Braille displays

[Robert Wright]

The braille edge 40 has a auto panning feature.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
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From: Lelia Struve
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 3:26 PM
To: Viphone
Subject: Braille displays

Well, this is a very sad day. My braille display said goodbye to me. I shocked 
it and I shocked it goodbye. So there is a few things that I am wondering, do  
any braille displays automatically pan to the next page or line or do you have 
to manually do that with all of them? Another thing I’m wondering is if anyone 
has used many braille displays which do you think is the best for you?  I do 
realize that what is best for one is it best for all. I am just wondering.

Lelia 

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Re: 7 little words help

[Judy Holloway]

What seems to be the problem? I've been using it successfully, although not 
today.

Thanks.

Judy



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please can someone tell me why the pinging indicator no longer works in 7 
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RE: New mesh router and my thoughts on switching WiFi

[Apple Gourmet-]

 I’m currently using an Apple extreme with for Apple airport express. Will I 
have to junk these if I get a mesh router?
 Any suggestions on what to do with my Apple extreme and for airport expresses 
which were quite expensive?
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7 little words help

[Janet Bell]

please can someone tell me why the pinging indicator no longer works in 7 
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