Re: question on emoji

[turab chimthanawala]

Hi all,
I too have the same query as Shirley.
Also, since the IOS 13 update, while browsing the Emojis, VO says
'alternative characters'. What are they? and How does one use them?
Thanks
Best
Turab

On 11/20/19, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> Is there a way to quickly get to one of the emojis without having to scroll
> through all of them? I haven't been able to figure out how to get to just
> the one I want without going through all of them.Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 9:17 PM, Donna  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hi
>>
>> The number announced beside each emoji, is the number of the emoji in the
>> list, starting with the 1st emoji listed in the Frequently Used category.
>>
>>
>> Donna
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> When you go to the emoji keyboard on the iPhone when you are composing a
>>> text message. As you go across the different faces it will say something
>>> like smiley face and then a number like 20. It says a different number
>>> after each face. What are the numbers for. I thought maybe the numbers
>>> were some kind of shortcut to post the emoji. Does anyone have any idea
>>> what the number by each emoji is for?
>>> Mr. Ed
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Paying SkyTrain Fare for Four passengers via a Single ApplePay?

[Fazil]

Hi, list.

I am in Vancouver, Canada.

Can I pay SkyTrain fare for four passengers with my ApplePay? If yes, how
can that be done, please?

Thanks!

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Re: question on emoji

[Shirley Baker]

Is there a way to quickly get to one of the emojis without having to scroll 
through all of them? I haven't been able to figure out how to get to just the 
one I want without going through all of them.Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2019, at 9:17 PM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> The number announced beside each emoji, is the number of the emoji in the 
> list, starting with the 1st emoji listed in the Frequently Used category. 
> 
> Donna
> 
>> Hi All,
>> When you go to the emoji keyboard on the iPhone when you are composing a 
>> text message. As you go across the different faces it will say something 
>> like smiley face and then a number like 20. It says a different number after 
>> each face. What are the numbers for. I thought maybe the numbers were some 
>> kind of shortcut to post the emoji. Does anyone have any idea what the 
>> number by each emoji is for?
>> Mr. Ed  
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Re: Keyboard command to go to notification center

[Justin Harris]

How odd. That one isn’t working for me. Not sure if it’s a bug, or an issue 
with my keyboard. My keyboard seems to be styled after the Magic keyboard but 
it says there are shortcuts specific to iPad os, so I really wonder if some of 
these could be causing the problem with VO as well as with other apps. Also, 
strangely enough, in commands, it will let me delete, but not modify anything 
or add anything new.
Thanks.


Enviado desde mi iPad

> El nov. 19, 2019, a la(s) 9:30 p. m., Anna Dresner  
> escribió:
> 
> Hi Justin,
> The command is Function (FN) key with VO keys and Up Arrow. Check the user 
> guide, which you can get from the Apple Book store.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Justin Harris  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> I thought the keyboard command to go to either notifications or control 
>> center would be vo + N, either once or twice, but that’s not working. Am I 
>> missing something?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Enviado desde mi iPad
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Re: Keyboard command to go to notification center

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Justin,
The command is Function (FN) key with VO keys and Up Arrow. Check the user 
guide, which you can get from the Apple Book store.

Best,
Anna


> On Nov 19, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Justin Harris  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> I thought the keyboard command to go to either notifications or control 
> center would be vo + N, either once or twice, but that’s not working. Am I 
> missing something?
> Thanks.
> 
> Enviado desde mi iPad
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RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Sieghard Weitzel]

There are bugs one can work around and some one can't.
I did actually forget about the dictation issue, this actually is a 
super-annoying issue and there is no work-around except to take a Bluetooth 
keyboard and type the message, so yes, I guess that is a work-around but only 
if I am near my Bluetooth keyboard. Of course for people who only speak/use 
English this is not a problem.

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Vece
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Just reload the message

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> Anthony
> 
> Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the 
> dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another installed 
> language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs?
> If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the 
> focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason not 
> to update.
> Davy
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
> 
> Hi everybody;
> I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the past 
> 10 years.
> 
> 
> I’ve always worked around Boggs.
> Nothing is perfect.
> That’s a fact of life and software.
> I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the bugs.
> If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility.
> Hope this helps
> Anthony
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
>> 
>> No, please stay where you are!
>> 
>> The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
>> Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even 
>> not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this.
>> A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and 
>> mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the 
>> bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes 
>> his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest.
>> So stay on ios12 like I do.
>> Davy
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
>> 
>> Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging 
>> steady on iOS 12.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
 On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>> A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input 
>>> now works everywhere on the home screen.
>>> That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do 
>>> not use braille screen input, I know nothing more.
>>> HTH,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
>>> with it."
>>> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by 
>>> Jane Wagner
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The 
>>> description does not mention voice over at all. This has been 
>>> apple’s policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore 
>>> accessibility concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cris
>>> B
>>> 
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Re: question on emoji

[Donna]

Hi

The number announced beside each emoji, is the number of the emoji in the list, 
starting with the 1st emoji listed in the Frequently Used category. 

Donna
> 
> Hi All,
> When you go to the emoji keyboard on the iPhone when you are composing a text 
> message. As you go across the different faces it will say something like 
> smiley face and then a number like 20. It says a different number after each 
> face. What are the numbers for. I thought maybe the numbers were some kind of 
> shortcut to post the emoji. Does anyone have any idea what the number by each 
> emoji is for?
> Mr. Ed  
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Keyboard command to go to notification center

[Justin Harris]

Hi everyone,
I thought the keyboard command to go to either notifications or control center 
would be vo + N, either once or twice, but that’s not working. Am I missing 
something?
Thanks.

Enviado desde mi iPad

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RE: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs iPhone X

[Carolyn]

I'm waiting to see about the SE too, because of its size. That 11 battery 
sounds appealing though. 

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Victor Gouveia
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:24 PM
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Subject: Re: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs 
iPhone X

I also need to replace my phone, but unlike you, my screen is still working, 
what ever scratches there are on the phone doesn't affect the screen.

Regardless, I am personally waiting to see if Apple is going to release this 
new S.E. in the new year, that way, I've got a new phone and it's the same form 
factor as the 8.

If your phone is non-functional, you may have no choice, but if your phone is 
functional, you may want to wait.

Victor

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From: Carolyn
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs 
iPhone X

I am not replacing my SE for a few months, but as for the Home Button and not 
having it, here is what I figure. I learned to use a touch screen. I can learn 
to use one without a Home Button. I wonder what other kind of strange change is 
eventually in store for us down the road?

I am sorry this probably is not helpful to your quandary, but just a comment 
from a fellow iPhone user.

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Donald Raikes
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs iPhone X

Hi,

Recently my Iphone 8 has been suffering from some battery issues (not holding a 
charge), plus two weeks ago the screen cracked, so it looks like it is time to 
upgrade my phone.

According to verizon, I can get an iPhone 11 64gb for the same monthly payment 
I am making now on the iPhone 8.

My questions are:

1.  Have enough of the bugs been shaken out of the iPhone 11 series to make it 
a reasonable choice?
2.  Would the iPhone X series be a better choice?

How hard is it to get used to not having an actual home button?  I know that 
the iPhone X/XR/XS don't have the actual home button, and a friend let me try 
her ipad without the home button and it seemed difficult to navigate without 
the physical button.

Also, which case would everyone suggest for the 11 or X depending on which I 
get?


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question on emoji

[Mr. Ed]

Hi All,

When you go to the emoji keyboard on the iPhone when you are composing a
text message. As you go across the different faces it will say something
like smiley face and then a number like 20. It says a different number after
each face. What are the numbers for. I thought maybe the numbers were some
kind of shortcut to post the emoji. Does anyone have any idea what the
number by each emoji is for?

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Re: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs iPhone X

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I really like my iPhone 8.  I don't think it is slow at all.  I can
download bard books pretty quickly even though our wifi isn;'t the
best.  It doesn't seem slow to me at all.  I've only had my iPhone 8
for a few months and I've still got a lot to learn, but I can put
audio books or described movies on my phone thanks to voice dream
reader, and the bard mobile app is great.  I really like my google
assistant and my google play music.  It is very cool when I'm out and
about if I want to listen to my favorite song or artist, to just bring
up google assistant and listen to my music or internet radio station
just like I would on my full sized google home.  The quality of phone
calls and being to use a bluetooth speaker for calls and audio book
playback is also a lot of fun.

On 11/19/19, Victor Gouveia  wrote:
> I also need to replace my phone, but unlike you, my screen is still working,
>
> what ever scratches there are on the phone doesn't affect the screen.
>
> Regardless, I am personally waiting to see if Apple is going to release this
>
> new S.E. in the new year, that way, I've got a new phone and it's the same
> form factor as the 8.
>
> If your phone is non-functional, you may have no choice, but if your phone
> is functional, you may want to wait.
>
> Victor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Carolyn
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs
>
> iPhone X
>
> I am not replacing my SE for a few months, but as for the Home Button and
> not having it, here is what I figure. I learned to use a touch screen. I can
>
> learn to use one without a Home Button. I wonder what other kind of strange
>
> change is eventually in store for us down the road?
>
> I am sorry this probably is not helpful to your quandary, but just a comment
>
> from a fellow iPhone user.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Donald Raikes
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs
> iPhone X
>
> Hi,
>
> Recently my Iphone 8 has been suffering from some battery issues (not
> holding a charge), plus two weeks ago the screen cracked, so it looks like
> it is time to upgrade my phone.
>
> According to verizon, I can get an iPhone 11 64gb for the same monthly
> payment I am making now on the iPhone 8.
>
> My questions are:
>
> 1.  Have enough of the bugs been shaken out of the iPhone 11 series to make
>
> it a reasonable choice?
> 2.  Would the iPhone X series be a better choice?
>
> How hard is it to get used to not having an actual home button?  I know that
>
> the iPhone X/XR/XS don't have the actual home button, and a friend let me
> try her ipad without the home button and it seemed difficult to navigate
> without the physical button.
>
> Also, which case would everyone suggest for the 11 or X depending on which I
>
> get?
>
>
> Any suggestions/reccommendations are greatly appreciated.
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Re: Creating shortcut keys in iPad os

[Justin Harris]

Hi Anna,
I took a look in there, but couldn’t find anything that would let me create a 
new shortcut like the ones I used to be able to create on Mac to be able to 
launch certain apps with just a hot key.
Maybe this isn’t possible yet.
.


Enviado desde mi iPad

> El nov. 19, 2019, a la(s) 4:31 p. m., Anna Dresner  
> escribió:
> 
> Hi Justin,
> 
> On any iOS device, you can assign keyboard shortcuts to many things by going 
> to Settings/Accessibility/VoiceOver/Commands.
> 
> Cheers,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Justin Harris  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> I know that on the mac, one can create certain shortcuts in Keyboard 
>> commander in VO settings, such as option m to open mail, etc. Is there a way 
>> to pull this off on the iPad pro? It would be nice if so. :)
>> 
>> 
>> Enviado desde mi iPad
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Re: Creating shortcut keys in iPad os

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Justin,

On any iOS device, you can assign keyboard shortcuts to many things by going to 
Settings/Accessibility/VoiceOver/Commands.

Cheers,
Anna




> On Nov 19, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Justin Harris  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> I know that on the mac, one can create certain shortcuts in Keyboard 
> commander in VO settings, such as option m to open mail, etc. Is there a way 
> to pull this off on the iPad pro? It would be nice if so. :)
> 
> 
> Enviado desde mi iPad
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Re: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs iPhone X

[Victor Gouveia]

I also need to replace my phone, but unlike you, my screen is still working, 
what ever scratches there are on the phone doesn't affect the screen.


Regardless, I am personally waiting to see if Apple is going to release this 
new S.E. in the new year, that way, I've got a new phone and it's the same 
form factor as the 8.


If your phone is non-functional, you may have no choice, but if your phone 
is functional, you may want to wait.


Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Carolyn

Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs 
iPhone X


I am not replacing my SE for a few months, but as for the Home Button and 
not having it, here is what I figure. I learned to use a touch screen. I can 
learn to use one without a Home Button. I wonder what other kind of strange 
change is eventually in store for us down the road?


I am sorry this probably is not helpful to your quandary, but just a comment 
from a fellow iPhone user.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Donald Raikes

Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs 
iPhone X


Hi,

Recently my Iphone 8 has been suffering from some battery issues (not 
holding a charge), plus two weeks ago the screen cracked, so it looks like 
it is time to upgrade my phone.


According to verizon, I can get an iPhone 11 64gb for the same monthly 
payment I am making now on the iPhone 8.


My questions are:

1.  Have enough of the bugs been shaken out of the iPhone 11 series to make 
it a reasonable choice?

2.  Would the iPhone X series be a better choice?

How hard is it to get used to not having an actual home button?  I know that 
the iPhone X/XR/XS don't have the actual home button, and a friend let me 
try her ipad without the home button and it seemed difficult to navigate 
without the physical button.


Also, which case would everyone suggest for the 11 or X depending on which I 
get?



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Creating shortcut keys in iPad os

[Justin Harris]

Hi folks,
I know that on the mac, one can create certain shortcuts in Keyboard commander 
in VO settings, such as option m to open mail, etc. Is there a way to pull this 
off on the iPad pro? It would be nice if so. :)


Enviado desde mi iPad

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Re: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs iPhone X

[Marie Lyons]

I love the extended battery of my 11 pro.

Marie LyonsSent from my iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2019, at 12:22 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Recently my Iphone 8 has been suffering from some battery issues (not
> holding a charge), plus two weeks ago the screen cracked, so it looks
> like it is time to upgrade my phone.
> 
> According to verizon, I can get an iPhone 11 64gb for the same monthly
> payment I am making now on the iPhone 8.
> 
> My questions are:
> 
> 1.  Have enough of the bugs been shaken out of the iPhone 11 series to
> make it a reasonable choice?
> 2.  Would the iPhone X series be a better choice?
> 
> How hard is it to get used to not having an actual home button?  I
> know that the iPhone X/XR/XS don't have the actual home button, and a
> friend let me try her ipad without the home button and it seemed
> difficult to navigate without the physical button.
> 
> Also, which case would everyone suggest for the 11 or X depending on
> which I get?
> 
> 
> Any suggestions/reccommendations are greatly appreciated.
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RE: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs iPhone X

[Carolyn]

Good going, Donald. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donald Raikes
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs 
iPhone X

Actually I thought the same kind of thing just after I wrote that question in 
the email :)

Going from a keyboard to a touch screen is probably a bigger change than simply 
dealing with not having the physical button on the phone, so I will forge ahead.

Thanks

On 11/19/19, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> I am not replacing my SE for a few months, but as for the Home Button 
> and not having it, here is what I figure. I learned to use a touch 
> screen. I can learn to use one without a Home Button. I wonder what 
> other kind of strange change is eventually in store for us down the road?
>
> I am sorry this probably is not helpful to your quandary, but just a 
> comment from a fellow iPhone user.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Donald Raikes
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 
> vs iPhone X
>
> Hi,
>
> Recently my Iphone 8 has been suffering from some battery issues (not 
> holding a charge), plus two weeks ago the screen cracked, so it looks 
> like it is time to upgrade my phone.
>
> According to verizon, I can get an iPhone 11 64gb for the same monthly 
> payment I am making now on the iPhone 8.
>
> My questions are:
>
> 1.  Have enough of the bugs been shaken out of the iPhone 11 series to 
> make it a reasonable choice?
> 2.  Would the iPhone X series be a better choice?
>
> How hard is it to get used to not having an actual home button?  I 
> know that the iPhone X/XR/XS don't have the actual home button, and a 
> friend let me try her ipad without the home button and it seemed 
> difficult to navigate without the physical button.
>
> Also, which case would everyone suggest for the 11 or X depending on 
> which I get?
>
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Re: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs iPhone X

[Justin Harris]

If I may, when I first considered getting the iPhone xs I wasn't sure about the 
lack of a home button either. However, after having made the switch, I could 
never go back. The gestures in place are quite intuitive. Face id is much 
faster than touch id. All around, it's a much better experience. Granted there 
are times face id doesn't register, but that's like once out of 50. The iPhone 
8 is also slower than newer models. I wouldn't buy the same thing you already 
have.

Enviado desde mi iPhone

> El 11/19/2019, a la(s) 1:24 p. m., M. Taylor  escribió:
> 
> Hello Don,
> 
> Well, you ask an interesting question.  
> 
> Now, this is just my opinion but, were I, you, I would go to the Apple Store 
> and purchase a new unlocked iPhone 8 / 8 Plus and be done with it.
> 
> It is my hope that next year will see a new set of hardware interactive 
> features 
> Added to iPhone.  Again, this is just my opinion and Lord knows, I've been 
> wrong in the past.  
> 
> So, as for me, as long as Apple continues selling a model with a traditional 
> Home button, I will probably continue to buy it.  
> 
> Having said this, I do use an iPhone 11 and it is a very nice model.  The 
> sound quality is excellent and after a few days, one can definitely begin to 
> get used to the lack of a traditional Home button.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Donald Raikes
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs 
> iPhone X
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Recently my Iphone 8 has been suffering from some battery issues (not holding 
> a charge), plus two weeks ago the screen cracked, so it looks like it is time 
> to upgrade my phone.
> 
> According to verizon, I can get an iPhone 11 64gb for the same monthly 
> payment I am making now on the iPhone 8.
> 
> My questions are:
> 
> 1.  Have enough of the bugs been shaken out of the iPhone 11 series to make 
> it a reasonable choice?
> 2.  Would the iPhone X series be a better choice?
> 
> How hard is it to get used to not having an actual home button?  I know that 
> the iPhone X/XR/XS don't have the actual home button, and a friend let me try 
> her ipad without the home button and it seemed difficult to navigate without 
> the physical button.
> 
> Also, which case would everyone suggest for the 11 or X depending on which I 
> get?
> 
> 
> Any suggestions/reccommendations are greatly appreciated.
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Re: OTR Apps Broken in iOS 13.all

['Bill Gallik' via VIPhone]

The issue with several OTR apps is that it is impossible to select a specific 
program episode once you’ve picked the season.  Here’s the scenario:

- open the Gunsmoke app
- select the season (i.e. 1952)
- Now, trying to select a specific episode from 1952 is impossible with 
VoiceOver in play
- shutting down VoiceOver will allow one to select an episode, it’s just that 
if totally blind there’s no way to know which episode you’re activating
- if VoiceOver is left on in the “Select Episode” list it appears the cursor is 
stuck on the status line.
- Shutting off VoiceOver to select just any episode will play a random episode, 
but turning VoiceOver back on while streaming the randomly selected episode 
results in annoying alarm sounds with still no possibility of selected a 
specific episode

This is the case with the OTR apps from Appsstation!



- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- “I’ve been dealing with insomnia,  I’m just so tired of it.”
- Contributor Unknown



On Nov 19, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Alanwrote:

Bill,

I'm sorry you're having issues with the specific OTR program apps and iOS 13.x. 
The app OTR Streamer seems to be working fine in iOS 13.2.3 but I don't know 
how it compares with the specific OTR program apps in terms of content or 
quality.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: 'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:31 AM
To: viPhone ??
Subject: OTR Apps Broken in iOS 13.all

With the advent of iOS I�ve become an Old Time Radio fan and have several OTR 
apps (i.e.  , Johnny Dollar, Challenge of the Yukon, etc).

However, since I�ve installed iOS 13 on my iPhone 8, these apps no longer work 
effectively with VoiceOver.  Apparently, a number of these apps are essentially 
the same program - only being named differently to identify the suite of OTR 
episodes to access (eg, the Gunsmoke app accesses Gunsmoke episodes and the 
Johnny Dollar app will likewise access only those specific episodes).  I�m able 
to select the season (eg, Gunsmoke episodes from 1952) but when attempting to 
select a specific episode the app seems to be stuck on the status line.

If I turn VoiceOver off, i can then select one of the episodes for that season, 
but with no idea as to which episode i�m selecting.  This is not a problem if 
one can read the screen visually.

I have written to the developer of this app(s) and have not gotten any feedback.

For this reason, if anybody is still using a pre-13 iOS and uses these apps I 
urge them to not install iOS 13 of any version.



- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- "The world is changed by your example, not by your opinion.�
- Paulo Coelho, Poet-Writer

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RE: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs iPhone X

[M. Taylor]

Hello Don,

Well, you ask an interesting question.  

Now, this is just my opinion but, were I, you, I would go to the Apple Store 
and purchase a new unlocked iPhone 8 / 8 Plus and be done with it.

It is my hope that next year will see a new set of hardware interactive 
features 
Added to iPhone.  Again, this is just my opinion and Lord knows, I've been 
wrong in the past.  

So, as for me, as long as Apple continues selling a model with a traditional 
Home button, I will probably continue to buy it.  

Having said this, I do use an iPhone 11 and it is a very nice model.  The sound 
quality is excellent and after a few days, one can definitely begin to get used 
to the lack of a traditional Home button.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donald Raikes
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs iPhone X

Hi,

Recently my Iphone 8 has been suffering from some battery issues (not holding a 
charge), plus two weeks ago the screen cracked, so it looks like it is time to 
upgrade my phone.

According to verizon, I can get an iPhone 11 64gb for the same monthly payment 
I am making now on the iPhone 8.

My questions are:

1.  Have enough of the bugs been shaken out of the iPhone 11 series to make it 
a reasonable choice?
2.  Would the iPhone X series be a better choice?

How hard is it to get used to not having an actual home button?  I know that 
the iPhone X/XR/XS don't have the actual home button, and a friend let me try 
her ipad without the home button and it seemed difficult to navigate without 
the physical button.

Also, which case would everyone suggest for the 11 or X depending on which I 
get?


Any suggestions/reccommendations are greatly appreciated.

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RE: App

[Mich Verrier]

Hi Steve the app is cald way around. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cook, 
Steve
Sent: November 19, 2019 1:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: App

Hi All, 

Sorry for the vague description.  I remember an app being discussed here on 
list that you can place tags on items and record labels to identify the item.  
Does anyone remember the name of the app?  Thanks in advance!

Steve Cook, CPM
Assistive Technology Consultant
SC Commission for the Blind
1430 Confederate avenue
Columbia, SC 29201
Office: (803) 898-8788
Cell: (803) 908-3856
1-888-335-5951 

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Re: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs iPhone X

[Donald Raikes]

Actually I thought the same kind of thing just after I wrote that
question in the email :)

Going from a keyboard to a touch screen is probably a bigger change
than simply dealing with not having the physical button on the phone,
so I will forge ahead.

Thanks

On 11/19/19, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> I am not replacing my SE for a few months, but as for the Home Button and
> not having it, here is what I figure. I learned to use a touch screen. I can
> learn to use one without a Home Button. I wonder what other kind of strange
> change is eventually in store for us down the road?
>
> I am sorry this probably is not helpful to your quandary, but just a comment
> from a fellow iPhone user.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Donald Raikes
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs
> iPhone X
>
> Hi,
>
> Recently my Iphone 8 has been suffering from some battery issues (not
> holding a charge), plus two weeks ago the screen cracked, so it looks like
> it is time to upgrade my phone.
>
> According to verizon, I can get an iPhone 11 64gb for the same monthly
> payment I am making now on the iPhone 8.
>
> My questions are:
>
> 1.  Have enough of the bugs been shaken out of the iPhone 11 series to make
> it a reasonable choice?
> 2.  Would the iPhone X series be a better choice?
>
> How hard is it to get used to not having an actual home button?  I know that
> the iPhone X/XR/XS don't have the actual home button, and a friend let me
> try her ipad without the home button and it seemed difficult to navigate
> without the physical button.
>
> Also, which case would everyone suggest for the 11 or X depending on which I
> get?
>
>
> Any suggestions/reccommendations are greatly appreciated.
>
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Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Anthony Vece]

Just reload the message

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> Anthony
> 
> Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the 
> dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another installed 
> language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs?
> If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the 
> focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason not 
> to update.
> Davy
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
> 
> Hi everybody;
> I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the past 
> 10 years.
> 
> 
> I’ve always worked around Boggs.
> Nothing is perfect.
> That’s a fact of life and software.
> I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the bugs.
> If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility.
> Hope this helps
> Anthony
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
>> 
>> No, please stay where you are!
>> 
>> The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
>> Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even 
>> not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this.
>> A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and 
>> mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the 
>> bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes 
>> his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest.
>> So stay on ios12 like I do.
>> Davy
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
>> 
>> Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging
>> steady on iOS 12.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
 On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>> A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input now
>>> works everywhere on the home screen.
>>> That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do not use
>>> braille screen input, I know nothing more.
>>> HTH,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>>> it."
>>> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane
>>> Wagner
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description
>>> does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the
>>> release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that
>>> the email delete bug still persists.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cris
>>> B
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RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Albert Ruel]

I too was frustrated by having to constantly return my rotor to Headings when 
on a webpage, so I took the opportunity to assign the two-finger swipe right 
and left to previous and next headings navigation.  That way each time I'm in a 
position to move by headings I don't have to worry about where the rotor is 
pointed, I simply flick right or left with two fingers.  

Thx, Albert

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Øyvind Lode
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

No issues with iOS 13 for me either.
Ok, one minor annoyance is I have to use the rotor to move to headings every 
time in Safari to move by headings.
Prior to 13.2 VO remembered my setting and I could move by heading in safari 
without first have to use the rotor.
Currently I run 13.2.3 and I really like iOS 13.
I really like the preset/profile feature to have individual settings per app 
and they are automatically applied when that app is in the foreground.

Apple squashed quite a few bugs in 13.2 and as I said iOS 13 now works fine for 
me.

Thanks,

-Øyvind


On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:41, Richard Turner  
wrote:
>
> That is not normal behavior.
> Have you done a screen share with Apple Accessibility and demonstrated that?
> That has never happened with any iPhone I have ever handled, and that is 
> quite a few since I teach people how to use it and am often going through the 
> sound settings on their phones.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by 
> Jane Wagner
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
>
> 
> I mean the phone rings as soon as i go to settings/sound and haptic settings.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> What do you mean by "the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the 
> sound volume settings"?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Cris Ali
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 6:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
>
> One of the  Most annoying bugs for me is that the sound goes to the iPhone 
> speaker anytime I go to change any setting in sounds and haptics even though 
> i am using the earbuds, worse than that, the phone rings even if I am not 
> anywhere near the sound volume settings.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>
> I can't tell any difference in VoiceOver.
>
>
> Also, there still remains the problem that when using Bluetooth through 
> hearing aids, the sounds go through the iPhone speaker, but not with a 
> regular Bluetooth set.
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cris Ali
>
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:42 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
>
> Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description 
> does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the 
> release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that 
> the email delete bug still persists.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Cris
>
> B
>
>
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Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Davy Cuppens]

Anthony

Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the 
dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another 
installed language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs?
If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the 
focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason not 
to update.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Anthony Vece

Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Hi everybody;
I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the past 
10 years.



I’ve always worked around Boggs.
Nothing is perfect.
That’s a fact of life and software.
I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the 
bugs.

If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility.
Hope this helps
Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!


On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

No, please stay where you are!

The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can 
even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like 
this.
A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and 
mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the 
bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes 
his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest.

So stay on ios12 like I do.
Davy
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging
steady on iOS 12.

Joe


On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input now
works everywhere on the home screen.
That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do not 
use

braille screen input, I know nothing more.
HTH,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane
Wagner


On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:

Hi folks,

Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description
does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since 
the
release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed 
that

the email delete bug still persists.

Regards,


Cris
B


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Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Davy Cuppens]

Sieghard

I do understand your statement very well but my iphone is a bit of a 
newsticker for me and there are severe bugs in the notification center at 
least for me in the 7 days I had used ios13.1.2. Moreover, some 
notifications become sticky even since ios13.2.2 reported by several of my 
friends.
I will certainly update to ios13.3 on condition that the mail and 
notification focus bugs are gone. I hear positive rumors of ios13.3 
betatesters that the notification bug is solved wait and see.

Davy


-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 4:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Hi Davy,

It is true that some synthesizers pronounce a few things in a funny way, Gun 
in fact is simply spelled out as G U N by at least the American female SIRI 
voice, haven't checked Samantha or the male voice, but I think I read Alex 
still speaks it correctly.
A few mispronunciations to me are small annoyances but not reasons for not 
upgrading and take advantage of potentially other new features. It could 
even be the case that you have to upgrade to iOS 13 if you want to use 
certain apps.
One example is the new ScripTalk Mobile app which is available in the US and 
Canada and which can read prescription medication packages which have been 
equipped with a special RFID tag by the pharmacy. That app won't work on 
anything below iOS 13 and of course anybody who bought a new phone this fall 
gets iOS 13 whether they want it or not.
The fact is that almost all of the major bugs like the one with Voiceover 
going away after a phone call and not being able to use third-party software 
keyboards have been resolved. There are still a few rotor and focus issues 
in the Mail app when deleting messages, but those I also classify as 
relatively minor and they definitely are not deal-breakers.
If you have to use a hearing aid I can understand how system sounds not 
coming through the hearing aid can be more of an issue, but hopefully this 
will also be soon resolved.
I can't comment in detail with respect to braille input and using braille 
displays since I don't use either.


Regards,

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens

Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

No, please stay where you are!

The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even 
not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this.
A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and 
mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the 
bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes 
his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest.

So stay on ios12 like I do.
Davy
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging steady on 
iOS 12.


Joe

On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:

A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input
now works everywhere on the home screen.
That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do
not use braille screen input, I know nothing more.
HTH,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
with it."
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Jane Wagner


On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:

Hi folks,

Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The
description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s
policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility
concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists.

Regards,


Cris
B


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RE: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs iPhone X

[Carolyn]

I am not replacing my SE for a few months, but as for the Home Button and not 
having it, here is what I figure. I learned to use a touch screen. I can learn 
to use one without a Home Button. I wonder what other kind of strange change is 
eventually in store for us down the road? 

I am sorry this probably is not helpful to your quandary, but just a comment 
from a fellow iPhone user. 

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Donald Raikes
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs iPhone X

Hi,

Recently my Iphone 8 has been suffering from some battery issues (not holding a 
charge), plus two weeks ago the screen cracked, so it looks like it is time to 
upgrade my phone.

According to verizon, I can get an iPhone 11 64gb for the same monthly payment 
I am making now on the iPhone 8.

My questions are:

1.  Have enough of the bugs been shaken out of the iPhone 11 series to make it 
a reasonable choice?
2.  Would the iPhone X series be a better choice?

How hard is it to get used to not having an actual home button?  I know that 
the iPhone X/XR/XS don't have the actual home button, and a friend let me try 
her ipad without the home button and it seemed difficult to navigate without 
the physical button.

Also, which case would everyone suggest for the 11 or X depending on which I 
get?


Any suggestions/reccommendations are greatly appreciated.

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RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Carolyn]

With my hearing aids, I have the problem of the haptics, but not with my little 
cheapy Bluetooth that messes me up when s scrolling through, say Contacts. That 
is why I intend to look into a Logitech one. I can navigate without problem 
with my hearing aids, but the haptics come out of the phone's speaker. I have 
navigation problems with my $6.80 cheapy Bluetooth, but the haptics come 
through the headset, not the iPhone speaker. Would be nice if there could be 
some kind of merger that would solve both problems. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 10:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Do you use Braille or hearing aids?
I am not sure if Braille input got fixed, I don't use it, but as far as I am 
concerned the main issue otherwise was with hearing aids. Apart from that and a 
few minor annoyances iOS 13.2.2 (haven't upgraded yet to 13.2.3) works very 
well.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joe 
Orozco
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging steady on iOS 
12.

Joe

On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
> A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input 
> now works everywhere on the home screen.
> That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do 
> not use braille screen input, I know nothing more.
> HTH,
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
> with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by 
> Jane Wagner
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The 
> description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s 
> policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility 
> concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Cris
> B
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Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Dave]

Hi Anthony. It's fine working around bugs, if the person is experienced with 
apple products.


But if someone is a relative new user, then maybe not.

and, i'm sorry to hear, you work around bogs, as well as bugs, lol.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Anthony Vece

Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 4:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Hi everybody;
I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the past 
10 years.



I’ve always worked around Boggs.
Nothing is perfect.
That’s a fact of life and software.
I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the 
bugs.

If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility.
Hope this helps
Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!


On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

No, please stay where you are!

The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can 
even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like 
this.
A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and 
mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the 
bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes 
his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest.

So stay on ios12 like I do.
Davy
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging
steady on iOS 12.

Joe


On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input now
works everywhere on the home screen.
That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do not 
use

braille screen input, I know nothing more.
HTH,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane
Wagner


On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:

Hi folks,

Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description
does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since 
the
release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed 
that

the email delete bug still persists.

Regards,


Cris
B


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Need to replace iPhone 8 looking for pros/cons of iPhone 11 vs iPhone X

[Donald Raikes]

Hi,

Recently my Iphone 8 has been suffering from some battery issues (not
holding a charge), plus two weeks ago the screen cracked, so it looks
like it is time to upgrade my phone.

According to verizon, I can get an iPhone 11 64gb for the same monthly
payment I am making now on the iPhone 8.

My questions are:

1.  Have enough of the bugs been shaken out of the iPhone 11 series to
make it a reasonable choice?
2.  Would the iPhone X series be a better choice?

How hard is it to get used to not having an actual home button?  I
know that the iPhone X/XR/XS don't have the actual home button, and a
friend let me try her ipad without the home button and it seemed
difficult to navigate without the physical button.

Also, which case would everyone suggest for the 11 or X depending on
which I get?


Any suggestions/reccommendations are greatly appreciated.

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RE: OTR Apps Broken in iOS 13.all

[Alan Lemly]

Bill,

I'm sorry you're having issues with the specific OTR program apps and iOS 13.x. 
The app OTR Streamer seems to be working fine in iOS 13.2.3 but I don't know 
how it compares with the specific OTR program apps in terms of content or 
quality.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: 'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:31 AM
To: viPhone ??
Subject: OTR Apps Broken in iOS 13.all

With the advent of iOS I�ve become an Old Time Radio fan and have several OTR 
apps (i.e.  , Johnny Dollar, Challenge of the Yukon, etc).

However, since I�ve installed iOS 13 on my iPhone 8, these apps no longer work 
effectively with VoiceOver.  Apparently, a number of these apps are essentially 
the same program - only being named differently to identify the suite of OTR 
episodes to access (eg, the Gunsmoke app accesses Gunsmoke episodes and the 
Johnny Dollar app will likewise access only those specific episodes).  I�m able 
to select the season (eg, Gunsmoke episodes from 1952) but when attempting to 
select a specific episode the app seems to be stuck on the status line.

If I turn VoiceOver off, i can then select one of the episodes for that season, 
but with no idea as to which episode i�m selecting.  This is not a problem if 
one can read the screen visually.

I have written to the developer of this app(s) and have not gotten any feedback.

For this reason, if anybody is still using a pre-13 iOS and uses these apps I 
urge them to not install iOS 13 of any version.



- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- "The world is changed by your example, not by your opinion.�
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RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I just went to Voiceover Settings > Audio > Sound and Haptics on my iPhone 8 
and it did not start ringing.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 4:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

That is not normal behavior.
Have you done a screen share with Apple Accessibility and demonstrated that?
That has never happened with any iPhone I have ever handled, and that is quite 
a few since I teach people how to use it and am often going through the sound 
settings on their phones.



Richard
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On Nov 18, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:

I mean the phone rings as soon as i go to settings/sound and haptic settings.

Sent from my iPad


On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
What do you mean by "the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the sound 
volume settings"?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

One of the  Most annoying bugs for me is that the sound goes to the iPhone 
speaker anytime I go to change any setting in sounds and haptics even though i 
am using the earbuds, worse than that, the phone rings even if I am not 
anywhere near the sound volume settings.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

I can't tell any difference in VoiceOver.

Also, there still remains the problem that when using Bluetooth through hearing 
aids, the sounds go through the iPhone speaker, but not with a regular 
Bluetooth set.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Hi folks,

Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description does 
not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the release 
of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that the email 
delete bug still persists.

Regards,


Cris
B


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Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Anthony Vece]

Hi everybody;
I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the past 10 
years.


I’ve always worked around Boggs.
Nothing is perfect.
That’s a fact of life and software.
I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the bugs.
If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility.
Hope this helps
Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> No, please stay where you are!
> 
> The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
> Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even 
> not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this.
> A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and mac 
> os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the bug 
> since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes his 
> iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest.
> So stay on ios12 like I do.
> Davy
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
> 
> Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging
> steady on iOS 12.
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input now
>> works everywhere on the home screen.
>> That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do not use
>> braille screen input, I know nothing more.
>> HTH,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>> it."
>> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane
>> Wagner
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description
>> does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the
>> release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that
>> the email delete bug still persists.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> Cris
>> B
>> 
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RE: InstaPot with iOS App Access

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I just had another look on Amazon Canada and for now it seems the Instant Pot 
Smart WiFi is back from third-party sellers and actually for not too bad of a 
price. It is listed for $199.99 regular and currently on sale for $149.99, but 
no free prime delivery and a $16 shipping fee in addition to the price.
Last time I looked maybe 6 or 8 weeks ago I also saw it from third party 
sellers, but it was over $300 Canadian.
Given the current exchange rate from Canadian to US Dollars the regular US 
price of $149.99 is pretty much exactly $200 give or take $5, so it is the same 
as the regular price in the US.
If you can get it for $89.99 US on sale that would be about $120 Canadian so 
still $30 or 20% cheaper than the sale price here and if you factor in the $16 
shipping it's a $46 difference.
Still that isn't so bad, I put it in my cart, but I think I'll wait a week and 
see if there is a better Black Friday or Cyber Monday deal and if there is I 
may break down and buy one. I could then sell our stand-alone rice cooker and 
slow cooker, both are pretty good quality and I may get $60 or $70 for both of 
them so if I could get the Instant Pot for $129.99 or even $139.99 Canadian I 
might do that.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sharonda 
Greenlaw
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 6:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: InstaPot with iOS App Access

Yes, you can get a good deal on the Wifi model of the Instapot. That is how I 
bought mine back in July. It was for $89.99. I use my pot weekly. I don't 
normally set it from the phone, although they have improved that. I use the 
buttons, which beep when pressed, and just get confirmation from the app on my 
phone.

On 11/18/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> There is only one connected Instant Pot out there and that is the 
> smart WiFi. I recently saw somebody sold a brand-new Bluetooth model 
> which was discontinued I think almost 2 years ago, but I didn't buy 
> it. The Smart WiFi is not sold in Canada even though Instant Pot is a 
> Canadian company, I have never been able to get an answer out of them, 
> but at this point I don't think I'd buy one even if they offered it 
> unless maybe it was on a super good deal. The regular price in the US 
> is I think $149.99, they often go on sale for 20% off and have been as 
> much as 40% off which is $89.99 US and I wouldn't be surprised if they 
> are o sale again for that price around Black Friday. But I'm so 
> disappointed in the company that I don't think I'll give them my money 
> and in addition to that I really enjoy cooking on the new GE connected 
> range we bought, yes, it's maybe not as automated, but I know how to 
> boil an egg so it's soft without an Instant Pot, we have a rice cooker 
> and I wouldn't probably ever use the functions for making yoghurt and 
> stuff so maybe if I had bought one it would be one of these gadgets 
> which we'd use a bit in the beginning and then it would mostly just sit 
> around or be a glorified rice cooker.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone 
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> Subject: InstaPot with iOS App Access
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> I realize this topic has been discussed out here before, but I wasn’t 
> paying much attention at that time.  I wonder if anybody on this list 
> could recommend an Instapot that interfaces with an iOS app well 
> enough that a blind person could program the cooking device effectively?
>
>
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RE: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is used by Apple Pay to communicate with the card terminal, but it’s a 
passive technology since here in Canada all credit cards and debit cards have 
chips embedded in the card which allow for the card to be simply tapped to the 
terminal for transactions under $100 to be approved. For larger amounts you 
still have to insert the card and enter your PIN for security.
In Vancouver all Skytrain transit faregates are also equipped with it and you 
can simply tap your credit card to the correct place on the gate or hold your 
iPhone up to it to unlock it. When you get to your destination you have to tap 
again to get through the gate when leaving the Skytrain platform and at this 
point your fare is calculated and charged to your credit card or Apple Pay.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 6:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

Here is the best quick definition I found:
NFC stands for "Near Field Communication" and, as the name implies, it enables 
short range communication between compatible devices. This
requires at least one transmitting device, and another to receive the signal. A 
range of devices can use the NFC standard and will be considered either
passive or active.

Richard

 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 6:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

What does NFC stand for?  I know what it is, kind of like an RFID but wondered 
what the difference is.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
Switch your mentality from "I'm broken and helpless," to "I'm growing and 
healing," and watch how fast your life changes, for the better.
Unknown

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 10:43 PM
Subject: RE: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

I don’t think this requires any sort of internet connection since the 
labels/tags are programmed with the information and the iPhone’s NFC chip is 
used to read this information.
This is why this will only work with the iPhone 7 or later and currently it 
appears that iPhone 11/11 Pro support is still in Beta.
This app also requires iOS 13, it will not work on devices which are still on 
iOS 12 or earlier.
Currently it is available in the US and Canada.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of DJ
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

Will you please tell me what, if any information is sent out over the Internet 
when scanning one of these labels? Is everything handled locally? Is anything 
having to do with this app and it’s use Internet dependent?
Thanks,


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:40 AM Amanda Wonkovich-Tolson 
mailto:mandotol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
En-Vision America is excited to announce the long awaited arrival of the 
ScripTalk Mobile app for iPhone.

To successfully install and run the app, you need:

  *   iPhone 7 or Higher
  *   iOS 13
  *   Visit the Help Section inside the app to find Directions on How to Use
  *   Support for iPhone 11 is still in beta
  *   Special RFID Tags placed on your prescription by a participating pharmacy.
Go To App Store:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/scriptalk-mobile/id1317698388


The ScripTalk Mobile app was designed with mobility and convenience in mind.  
We think you will love both the "scan" and "quick scan" buttons.  Scan tells 
you all of your drug information and Quick Scan is a convenient way to hear 
only the drug name announced.  You can also use the History feature to review 
your medications without having to scan them.

Please Note: This app is used to read special RFID Tags placed on your 
prescription by a participating pharmacy. If you don't have these special 
labels, go immediately to the find pharmacy button (in the app), call us at 
1-800-890-1180 or click on the button below to fill out a request form.

Amanda Tolson
En-Vision America
825 4th Street W, Palmetto FL 34221
Toll Free: 800-890-1180 ext. 116
Fax: 309-938-4948
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RE: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And it was available on Samsung phones for years before Apple finally decided 
to adopt it with the iPhone 6S, but it was very limited and the NFC chip was 
locked down and could not be used by developers. This is why certain devices 
and apps such as glucose monitors, the ScripTalk app and so on require at least 
an iPhone 7 which was the first phone where the NFC chip could be used by 
developers for their own apps and devices/accessories.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 6:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

It is not an Apple feature.
It is available on many platforms.


Richard

 Live long and prosper


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From: 'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 6:39 AM
To: viPhone  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

NFC is shorthand for Near Field communications.  It is an Apple feature 
introduced several iOS versions ago - iOS 9.0 I believe.  It is the 
communication protocol that allows the placement of your iPhone physically 
close to another iPhone or other appropriately equipped device to exchange 
information such as using your iPhone to make payment at a properly configured 
cash register (i.e. Apple Pay).



- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- “Dear Optimist, Pecimist and Realist”
- “While you were arguing over whether the glass was half full or half empty, I 
drank it.”
- Signed, The Opportunist



On Nov 19, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Kay Malmquist 
mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What does NFC stand for?  I know what it is, kind of like an RFID but wondered 
what the difference is.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
Switch your mentality from "I'm broken and helpless," to "I'm growing and 
healing," and watch how fast your life changes, for the better.
Unknown

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 10:43 PM
Subject: RE: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

I don’t think this requires any sort of internet connection since the 
labels/tags are programmed with the information and the iPhone’s NFC chip is 
used to read this information.
This is why this will only work with the iPhone 7 or later and currently it 
appears that iPhone 11/11 Pro support is still in Beta.
This app also requires iOS 13, it will not work on devices which are still on 
iOS 12 or earlier.
Currently it is available in the US and Canada.

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of DJ
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

Will you please tell me what, if any information is sent out over the Internet 
when scanning one of these labels? Is everything handled locally? Is anything 
having to do with this app and it’s use Internet dependent?
Thanks,


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:40 AM Amanda   
mailto:mandotol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
En-Vision America is excited to announce the long awaited arrival of the 
ScripTalk Mobile app for iPhone.
To successfully install and run the app, you need:

  *   iPhone 7 or Higher
  *   iOS 13
  *   Visit the Help Section inside the app to find Directions on How to Use
  *   Support for iPhone 11 is still in beta
  *   Special RFID Tags placed on your prescription by a participating pharmacy.
Go To App Store:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/scriptalk-mobile/id1317698388


The ScripTalk Mobile app was designed with mobility and convenience in mind.  
We think you will love both the "scan" and "quick scan" buttons.  Scan tells 
you all of your drug information and Quick Scan is a convenient way to hear 
only the drug name announced.  You can also use the History feature to review 
your medications without having to scan them.

Please Note: This app is used to read special RFID Tags placed on your 
prescription by a participating pharmacy. If you don't have these special 
labels, go immediately to the find pharmacy button (in the app), call us at 
1-800-890-1180 or click on the button below to fill out a request form.

Amanda Tolson
En-Vision America
825 4th Street W, Palmetto FL 34221
Toll Free: 800-890-1180 ext. 116
Fax: 309-938-4948
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RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Davy,

It is true that some synthesizers pronounce a few things in a funny way, Gun in 
fact is simply spelled out as G U N by at least the American female SIRI voice, 
haven't checked Samantha or the male voice, but I think I read Alex still 
speaks it correctly.
A few mispronunciations to me are small annoyances but not reasons for not 
upgrading and take advantage of potentially other new features. It could even 
be the case that you have to upgrade to iOS 13 if you want to use certain apps.
One example is the new ScripTalk Mobile app which is available in the US and 
Canada and which can read prescription medication packages which have been 
equipped with a special RFID tag by the pharmacy. That app won't work on 
anything below iOS 13 and of course anybody who bought a new phone this fall 
gets iOS 13 whether they want it or not.
The fact is that almost all of the major bugs like the one with Voiceover going 
away after a phone call and not being able to use third-party software 
keyboards have been resolved. There are still a few rotor and focus issues in 
the Mail app when deleting messages, but those I also classify as relatively 
minor and they definitely are not deal-breakers.
If you have to use a hearing aid I can understand how system sounds not coming 
through the hearing aid can be more of an issue, but hopefully this will also 
be soon resolved.
I can't comment in detail with respect to braille input and using braille 
displays since I don't use either.

Regards,

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

No, please stay where you are!

The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even 
not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this.
A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and mac 
os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the bug since 
ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes his iphone 
after let say 30 seconds of rest.
So stay on ios12 like I do.
Davy
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging steady on iOS 
12.

Joe

On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
> A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input 
> now works everywhere on the home screen.
> That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do 
> not use braille screen input, I know nothing more.
> HTH,
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
> with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by 
> Jane Wagner
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The 
> description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s 
> policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility 
> concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Cris
> B
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Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Davy Cuppens]

No, please stay where you are!

The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even 
not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this.
A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and 
mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the 
bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes 
his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest.

So stay on ios12 like I do.
Davy
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Joe Orozco

Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging
steady on iOS 12.

Joe

On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:

A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input now
works everywhere on the home screen.
That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do not 
use

braille screen input, I know nothing more.
HTH,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane
Wagner


On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:

Hi folks,

Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description
does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the
release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed 
that

the email delete bug still persists.

Regards,


Cris
B


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Re: OTR Apps Broken in iOS 13.all

['Bill Gallik' via VIPhone]

Well Richard, it won’t hurt to contact Apple with this issue.  This problem has 
Object Oriented Programming all over it.  I suspect that Apple may have made a 
very obscure change to the List Class and it has rendered this particular list 
(episode list) inaccessible to VoiceOver.

I will contact Apple right away - thanks for the suggestion.  Guess I should 
have thought of it myself.



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On Nov 19, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

I would recommend reporting this to Apple as well.
Not that they can do anything, but maybe there is a minor tweak like what was 
blocking third party keyboards from working at first.

I don't suppose you can get access to the shows as MP3 files and load them into 
Voice Dream Reader.



Richard

 Live long and prosper


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From: 'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone  
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 6:31 AM
To: viPhone  
Subject: OTR Apps Broken in iOS 13.all

With the advent of iOS I’ve become an Old Time Radio fan and have several OTR 
apps (i.e.  , Johnny Dollar, Challenge of the Yukon, etc).

However, since I’ve installed iOS 13 on my iPhone 8, these apps no longer work 
effectively with VoiceOver.  Apparently, a number of these apps are essentially 
the same program - only being named differently to identify the suite of OTR 
episodes to access (eg, the Gunsmoke app accesses Gunsmoke episodes and the 
Johnny Dollar app will likewise access only those specific episodes).  I’m able 
to select the season (eg, Gunsmoke episodes from 1952) but when attempting to 
select a specific episode the app seems to be stuck on the status line.

If I turn VoiceOver off, i can then select one of the episodes for that season, 
but with no idea as to which episode i’m selecting.  This is not a problem if 
one can read the screen visually.

I have written to the developer of this app(s) and have not gotten any feedback.

For this reason, if anybody is still using a pre-13 iOS and uses these apps I 
urge them to not install iOS 13 of any version.



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Re: InstaPot with iOS App Access

[Sharonda Greenlaw]

Yes, you can get a good deal on the Wifi model of the Instapot. That
is how I bought mine back in July. It was for $89.99. I use my pot
weekly. I don't normally set it from the phone, although they have
improved that. I use the buttons, which beep when pressed, and just
get confirmation from the app on my phone.

On 11/18/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> There is only one connected Instant Pot out there and that is the smart
> WiFi. I recently saw somebody sold a brand-new Bluetooth model which was
> discontinued I think almost 2 years ago, but I didn't buy it. The Smart WiFi
> is not sold in Canada even though Instant Pot is a Canadian company, I have
> never been able to get an answer out of them, but at this point I don't
> think I'd buy one even if they offered it unless maybe it was on a super
> good deal. The regular price in the US is I think $149.99, they often go on
> sale for 20% off and have been as much as 40% off which is $89.99 US and I
> wouldn't be surprised if they are o sale again for that price around Black
> Friday. But I'm so disappointed in the company that I don't think I'll give
> them my money and in addition to that I really enjoy cooking on the new GE
> connected range we bought, yes, it's maybe not as automated, but I know how
> to boil an egg so it's soft without an Instant Pot, we have a rice cooker
> and I wouldn't probably ever use the functions for making yoghurt and stuff
> so maybe if I had bought one it would be one of these gadgets which we'd use
> a bit in the beginning and then it would mostly just sit around or be a
> glorified rice cooker.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:35 PM
> To: viPhone  
> Subject: InstaPot with iOS App Access
>
> I realize this topic has been discussed out here before, but I wasn’t paying
> much attention at that time.  I wonder if anybody on this list could
> recommend an Instapot that interfaces with an iOS app well enough that a
> blind person could program the cooking device effectively?
>
>
> 
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RE: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

[Richard Turner]

It is not an Apple feature.
It is available on many platforms.


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From: 'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone 
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 6:39 AM
To: viPhone  
Subject: Re: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

NFC is shorthand for Near Field communications.  It is an Apple feature 
introduced several iOS versions ago - iOS 9.0 I believe.  It is the 
communication protocol that allows the placement of your iPhone physically 
close to another iPhone or other appropriately equipped device to exchange 
information such as using your iPhone to make payment at a properly configured 
cash register (i.e. Apple Pay).



- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- “Dear Optimist, Pecimist and Realist”
- “While you were arguing over whether the glass was half full or half empty, I 
drank it.”
- Signed, The Opportunist



On Nov 19, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Kay Malmquist 
mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What does NFC stand for?  I know what it is, kind of like an RFID but wondered 
what the difference is.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
Switch your mentality from "I'm broken and helpless," to "I'm growing and 
healing," and watch how fast your life changes, for the better.
Unknown

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 10:43 PM
Subject: RE: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

I don’t think this requires any sort of internet connection since the 
labels/tags are programmed with the information and the iPhone’s NFC chip is 
used to read this information.
This is why this will only work with the iPhone 7 or later and currently it 
appears that iPhone 11/11 Pro support is still in Beta.
This app also requires iOS 13, it will not work on devices which are still on 
iOS 12 or earlier.
Currently it is available in the US and Canada.

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of DJ
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

Will you please tell me what, if any information is sent out over the Internet 
when scanning one of these labels? Is everything handled locally? Is anything 
having to do with this app and it’s use Internet dependent?
Thanks,


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:40 AM Amanda   
mailto:mandotol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
En-Vision America is excited to announce the long awaited arrival of the 
ScripTalk Mobile app for iPhone.
To successfully install and run the app, you need:

  *   iPhone 7 or Higher
  *   iOS 13
  *   Visit the Help Section inside the app to find Directions on How to Use
  *   Support for iPhone 11 is still in beta
  *   Special RFID Tags placed on your prescription by a participating pharmacy.
Go To App Store:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/scriptalk-mobile/id1317698388


The ScripTalk Mobile app was designed with mobility and convenience in mind.  
We think you will love both the "scan" and "quick scan" buttons.  Scan tells 
you all of your drug information and Quick Scan is a convenient way to hear 
only the drug name announced.  You can also use the History feature to review 
your medications without having to scan them.

Please Note: This app is used to read special RFID Tags placed on your 
prescription by a participating pharmacy. If you don't have these special 
labels, go immediately to the find pharmacy button (in the app), call us at 
1-800-890-1180 or click on the button below to fill out a request form.

Amanda Tolson
En-Vision America
825 4th Street W, Palmetto FL 34221
Toll Free: 800-890-1180 ext. 116
Fax: 309-938-4948
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RE: OTR Apps Broken in iOS 13.all

[Richard Turner]

I would recommend reporting this to Apple as well.
Not that they can do anything, but maybe there is a minor tweak like what was 
blocking third party keyboards from working at first.

I don't suppose you can get access to the shows as MP3 files and load them into 
Voice Dream Reader.



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-Original Message-
From: 'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone  
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 6:31 AM
To: viPhone  
Subject: OTR Apps Broken in iOS 13.all

With the advent of iOS I’ve become an Old Time Radio fan and have several OTR 
apps (i.e.  , Johnny Dollar, Challenge of the Yukon, etc).

However, since I’ve installed iOS 13 on my iPhone 8, these apps no longer work 
effectively with VoiceOver.  Apparently, a number of these apps are essentially 
the same program - only being named differently to identify the suite of OTR 
episodes to access (eg, the Gunsmoke app accesses Gunsmoke episodes and the 
Johnny Dollar app will likewise access only those specific episodes).  I’m able 
to select the season (eg, Gunsmoke episodes from 1952) but when attempting to 
select a specific episode the app seems to be stuck on the status line.

If I turn VoiceOver off, i can then select one of the episodes for that season, 
but with no idea as to which episode i’m selecting.  This is not a problem if 
one can read the screen visually.

I have written to the developer of this app(s) and have not gotten any feedback.

For this reason, if anybody is still using a pre-13 iOS and uses these apps I 
urge them to not install iOS 13 of any version.



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Re: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

['Bill Gallik' via VIPhone]

NFC is shorthand for Near Field communications.  It is an Apple feature 
introduced several iOS versions ago - iOS 9.0 I believe.  It is the 
communication protocol that allows the placement of your iPhone physically 
close to another iPhone or other appropriately equipped device to exchange 
information such as using your iPhone to make payment at a properly configured 
cash register (i.e. Apple Pay).



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- “Dear Optimist, Pecimist and Realist”
- “While you were arguing over whether the glass was half full or half empty, I 
drank it.”
- Signed, The Opportunist



On Nov 19, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Kay Malmquist  wrote:

What does NFC stand for?  I know what it is, kind of like an RFID but wondered 
what the difference is.
 
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com 
Switch your mentality from "I'm broken and helpless," to "I'm growing and 
healing," and watch how fast your life changes, for the better.
Unknown 
 
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel 
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 10:43 PM
> Subject: RE: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone
> 
> I don’t think this requires any sort of internet connection since the 
> labels/tags are programmed with the information and the iPhone’s NFC chip is 
> used to read this information.
> This is why this will only work with the iPhone 7 or later and currently it 
> appears that iPhone 11/11 Pro support is still in Beta.
> This app also requires iOS 13, it will not work on devices which are still on 
> iOS 12 or earlier.
> Currently it is available in the US and Canada.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of DJ
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone
>  
> Will you please tell me what, if any information is sent out over the 
> Internet when scanning one of these labels? Is everything handled locally? Is 
> anything having to do with this app and it’s use Internet dependent?
> Thanks,
>  
>  
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:40 AM Amanda> wrote:
>> En-Vision America is excited to announce the long awaited arrival of the 
>> ScripTalk Mobile app for iPhone.
>> To successfully install and run the app, you need:
>> 
>> iPhone 7 or Higher
>> iOS 13
>> Visit the Help Section inside the app to find Directions on How to Use
>> Support for iPhone 11 is still in beta
>> Special RFID Tags placed on your prescription by a participating pharmacy.
>> Go To App Store:
>> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/scriptalk-mobile/id1317698388 
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> The ScripTalk Mobile app was designed with mobility and convenience in mind. 
>>  We think you will love both the "scan" and "quick scan" buttons.  Scan 
>> tells you all of your drug information and Quick Scan is a convenient way to 
>> hear only the drug name announced.  You can also use the History feature to 
>> review your medications without having to scan them.
>> 
>> Please Note: This app is used to read special RFID Tags placed on your 
>> prescription by a participating pharmacy. If you don't have these special 
>> labels, go immediately to the find pharmacy button (in the app), call us at 
>> 1-800-890-1180 or click on the button below to fill out a request form.
>>  
>> Amanda Tolson
>> En-Vision America
>> 825 4th Street W, Palmetto FL 34221
>> Toll Free: 800-890-1180 ext. 116
>> Fax: 309-938-4948
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RE: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

[Richard Turner]

Here is the best quick definition I found:
NFC stands for "Near Field Communication" and, as the name implies, it enables 
short range communication between compatible devices. This
requires at least one transmitting device, and another to receive the signal. A 
range of devices can use the NFC standard and will be considered either
passive or active.

Richard

 Live long and prosper


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 6:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

What does NFC stand for?  I know what it is, kind of like an RFID but wondered 
what the difference is.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
Switch your mentality from "I'm broken and helpless," to "I'm growing and 
healing," and watch how fast your life changes, for the better.
Unknown

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 10:43 PM
Subject: RE: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

I don’t think this requires any sort of internet connection since the 
labels/tags are programmed with the information and the iPhone’s NFC chip is 
used to read this information.
This is why this will only work with the iPhone 7 or later and currently it 
appears that iPhone 11/11 Pro support is still in Beta.
This app also requires iOS 13, it will not work on devices which are still on 
iOS 12 or earlier.
Currently it is available in the US and Canada.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of DJ
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

Will you please tell me what, if any information is sent out over the Internet 
when scanning one of these labels? Is everything handled locally? Is anything 
having to do with this app and it’s use Internet dependent?
Thanks,


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:40 AM Amanda Wonkovich-Tolson 
mailto:mandotol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
En-Vision America is excited to announce the long awaited arrival of the 
ScripTalk Mobile app for iPhone.

To successfully install and run the app, you need:

  *   iPhone 7 or Higher
  *   iOS 13
  *   Visit the Help Section inside the app to find Directions on How to Use
  *   Support for iPhone 11 is still in beta
  *   Special RFID Tags placed on your prescription by a participating pharmacy.
Go To App Store:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/scriptalk-mobile/id1317698388


The ScripTalk Mobile app was designed with mobility and convenience in mind.  
We think you will love both the "scan" and "quick scan" buttons.  Scan tells 
you all of your drug information and Quick Scan is a convenient way to hear 
only the drug name announced.  You can also use the History feature to review 
your medications without having to scan them.

Please Note: This app is used to read special RFID Tags placed on your 
prescription by a participating pharmacy. If you don't have these special 
labels, go immediately to the find pharmacy button (in the app), call us at 
1-800-890-1180 or click on the button below to fill out a request form.

Amanda Tolson
En-Vision America
825 4th Street W, Palmetto FL 34221
Toll Free: 800-890-1180 ext. 116
Fax: 309-938-4948
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OTR Apps Broken in iOS 13.all

['Bill Gallik' via VIPhone]

With the advent of iOS I’ve become an Old Time Radio fan and have several OTR 
apps (i.e.  , Johnny Dollar, Challenge of the Yukon, etc).

However, since I’ve installed iOS 13 on my iPhone 8, these apps no longer work 
effectively with VoiceOver.  Apparently, a number of these apps are essentially 
the same program - only being named differently to identify the suite of OTR 
episodes to access (eg, the Gunsmoke app accesses Gunsmoke episodes and the 
Johnny Dollar app will likewise access only those specific episodes).  I’m able 
to select the season (eg, Gunsmoke episodes from 1952) but when attempting to 
select a specific episode the app seems to be stuck on the status line.

If I turn VoiceOver off, i can then select one of the episodes for that season, 
but with no idea as to which episode i’m selecting.  This is not a problem if 
one can read the screen visually.

I have written to the developer of this app(s) and have not gotten any feedback.

For this reason, if anybody is still using a pre-13 iOS and uses these apps I 
urge them to not install iOS 13 of any version.



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Re: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone

[Kay Malmquist]

What does NFC stand for?  I know what it is, kind of like an RFID but 
wondered what the difference is.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
Switch your mentality from "I'm broken and helpless," to "I'm growing and 
healing," and watch how fast your life changes, for the better.
Unknown

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 10:43 PM
  Subject: RE: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone


  I don’t think this requires any sort of internet connection since the 
labels/tags are programmed with the information and the iPhone’s NFC chip is 
used to read this information.

  This is why this will only work with the iPhone 7 or later and currently 
it appears that iPhone 11/11 Pro support is still in Beta.

  This app also requires iOS 13, it will not work on devices which are still 
on iOS 12 or earlier.

  Currently it is available in the US and Canada.



  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of DJ
  Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:29 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Announcing the Launch of ScripTalk Mobile for iPhone



  Will you please tell me what, if any information is sent out over the 
Internet when scanning one of these labels? Is everything handled locally? 
Is anything having to do with this app and it’s use Internet dependent?

  Thanks,





  On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:40 AM Amanda Wonkovich-Tolson 
 wrote:

En-Vision America is excited to announce the long awaited arrival of the 
ScripTalk Mobile app for iPhone.

To successfully install and run the app, you need:

  a.. iPhone 7 or Higher
  b.. iOS 13
  c.. Visit the Help Section inside the app to find Directions on How to 
Use
  d.. Support for iPhone 11 is still in beta
  e.. Special RFID Tags placed on your prescription by a participating 
pharmacy.
Go To App Store:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/scriptalk-mobile/id1317698388





The ScripTalk Mobile app was designed with mobility and convenience in 
mind.  We think you will love both the "scan" and "quick scan" buttons. 
Scan tells you all of your drug information and Quick Scan is a convenient 
way to hear only the drug name announced.  You can also use the History 
feature to review your medications without having to scan them.

Please Note: This app is used to read special RFID Tags placed on your 
prescription by a participating pharmacy. If you don't have these special 
labels, go immediately to the find pharmacy button (in the app), call us at 
1-800-890-1180 or click on the button below to fill out a request form.



Amanda Tolson

En-Vision America

825 4th Street W, Palmetto FL 34221

Toll Free: 800-890-1180 ext. 116

Fax: 309-938-4948

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RE: why did my orientation lock turn itself off?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It has never done so for me although I haven't had it on recently. Are you 
absolutely sure you didn't go to control centre for something else and maybe 
you accidently turned it off?
Otherwise I'd just keep an eye on it and see if it happens again.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: why did my orientation lock turn itself off?

Hi to all.  I figured out how to turn my orientation lock back on.
However, my question is why did it turn itself off in the first place?
 I didn't turn it off.  I went back into control center and turned it back on.  
I'm going to practice some typing and I needed it lock.
Thanks for any help.

--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson

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RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You should write to accessibil...@apple.com about this. Rotor behaviour has 
become a bit better and more consistent in 13.2, but I think there is still 
room for further improvements.

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Lode
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

No issues with iOS 13 for me either.
Ok, one minor annoyance is I have to use the rotor to move to headings every 
time in Safari to move by headings.
Prior to 13.2 VO remembered my setting and I could move by heading in safari 
without first have to use the rotor.
Currently I run 13.2.3 and I really like iOS 13.
I really like the preset/profile feature to have individual settings per app 
and they are automatically applied when that app is in the foreground.

Apple squashed quite a few bugs in 13.2 and as I said iOS 13 now works fine for 
me.

Thanks,

-Øyvind


On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:41, Richard Turner  
wrote:
>
> That is not normal behavior.
> Have you done a screen share with Apple Accessibility and demonstrated that?
> That has never happened with any iPhone I have ever handled, and that is 
> quite a few since I teach people how to use it and am often going through the 
> sound settings on their phones.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by 
> Jane Wagner
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
>
> 
> I mean the phone rings as soon as i go to settings/sound and haptic settings.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> What do you mean by "the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the 
> sound volume settings"?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Cris Ali
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 6:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
>
> One of the  Most annoying bugs for me is that the sound goes to the iPhone 
> speaker anytime I go to change any setting in sounds and haptics even though 
> i am using the earbuds, worse than that, the phone rings even if I am not 
> anywhere near the sound volume settings.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>
> I can't tell any difference in VoiceOver.
>
>
> Also, there still remains the problem that when using Bluetooth through 
> hearing aids, the sounds go through the iPhone speaker, but not with a 
> regular Bluetooth set.
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cris Ali
>
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:42 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
>
> Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description 
> does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the 
> release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that 
> the email delete bug still persists.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Cris
>
> B
>
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why did my orientation lock turn itself off?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Hi to all.  I figured out how to turn my orientation lock back on.
However, my question is why did it turn itself off in the first place?
 I didn't turn it off.  I went back into control center and turned it
back on.  I'm going to practice some typing and I needed it lock.
Thanks for any help.

-- 
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson

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Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Øyvind Lode]

No issues with iOS 13 for me either.
Ok, one minor annoyance is I have to use the rotor to move to headings
every time in Safari to move by headings.
Prior to 13.2 VO remembered my setting and I could move by heading in
safari without first have to use the rotor.
Currently I run 13.2.3 and I really like iOS 13.
I really like the preset/profile feature to have individual settings
per app and they are automatically applied when that app is in the
foreground.

Apple squashed quite a few bugs in 13.2 and as I said iOS 13 now works
fine for me.

Thanks,

-Øyvind


On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:41, Richard Turner
 wrote:
>
> That is not normal behavior.
> Have you done a screen share with Apple Accessibility and demonstrated that?
> That has never happened with any iPhone I have ever handled, and that is 
> quite a few since I teach people how to use it and am often going through the 
> sound settings on their phones.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane 
> Wagner
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
>
> 
> I mean the phone rings as soon as i go to settings/sound and haptic settings.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> What do you mean by "the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the 
> sound volume settings"?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
> Ali
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 6:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
>
> One of the  Most annoying bugs for me is that the sound goes to the iPhone 
> speaker anytime I go to change any setting in sounds and haptics even though 
> i am using the earbuds, worse than that, the phone rings even if I am not 
> anywhere near the sound volume settings.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>
> I can't tell any difference in VoiceOver.
>
>
> Also, there still remains the problem that when using Bluetooth through 
> hearing aids, the sounds go through the iPhone speaker, but not with a 
> regular Bluetooth set.
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Cris Ali
>
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:42 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
>
> Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description 
> does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the 
> release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that 
> the email delete bug still persists.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Cris
>
> B
>
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Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Richard Turner]

That is not normal behavior.
Have you done a screen share with Apple Accessibility and demonstrated that?
That has never happened with any iPhone I have ever handled, and that is quite 
a few since I teach people how to use it and am often going through the sound 
settings on their phones.




Richard
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On Nov 18, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:


I mean the phone rings as soon as i go to settings/sound and haptic settings.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

What do you mean by "the phone rings even if I am not anywhere near the sound 
volume settings"?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

One of the  Most annoying bugs for me is that the sound goes to the iPhone 
speaker anytime I go to change any setting in sounds and haptics even though i 
am using the earbuds, worse than that, the phone rings even if I am not 
anywhere near the sound volume settings.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

I can't tell any difference in VoiceOver.

Also, there still remains the problem that when using Bluetooth through hearing 
aids, the sounds go through the iPhone speaker, but not with a regular 
Bluetooth set.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Hi folks,

Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description does 
not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the release 
of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed that the email 
delete bug still persists.

Regards,


Cris
B


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