Re: Apple TV Remote question

[Ari Moisio]

Hello

It will take three hours to fully charge it.



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 'Karen Poulakos' via VIPhone kirjoitti

Subject: Apple TV Remote question
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 20:44:13
From: 'Karen Poulakos' via VIPhone 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Can someone please tell me how to check the battery status on my Apple TV
Remote?

We recently purchased a new remote, and it is currently pluged in to charge
it.  Just not sure how to determine when it is fully charged.

Thanks.

Karen P




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Re: Messenger

[Ari Moisio]

Hello

I have noticed same  behavior.
 I haven't found any workout  so far.





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 Noe Villeda kirjoitti

Subject: Messenger
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 18:24:23
From: Noe Villeda 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Hi there,
I?ve noticed when I am on messenger, when I double tap on someone?s name to 
send a message, focus changes, and I i?m looking at a different profile, if 
that makes any sense.
For example, if it says, John and Bill are online, if I double tap on Bill?s 
profile, John?s profile will come up.




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RE: Question about calls, when you can't get access to the keypad

[Ari Moisio]

Hello

Have you doubletapped after finding the number key?



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Subject: RE: Question about calls, when you can't get access to the keypad
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 17:26:10
From: "John J. Fioravanti, Jr." 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Most of the time, when I make a call and am asked to push a number for an 
extension, the iPhone works fine; however, in a few instances, the caller 
requests me to push a number and I can't get to the keypad, it's not showing. 
If I go to the phone and get to the keypad and press a number, still nothing 
happens to complete the request  the caller is making?

Any help would be appreciated.




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RE: Apple Watch SE2?

[Ari Moisio]

Hello

It depends on if you have a cellular one. In that case you need an eSIM 
rom your provider.




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Subject: RE: Apple Watch SE2?
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 19:51:49
From: Fazil M. 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com


Thanks much, Anna.

Just another quick question; I am buying the watch from the Apple Store, should 
I tell my cell-phone provider that now I got
Apple Watch too, or not necessary?

Thanks!

 

 

I?m assuming this is your first Apple Watch. In that case, you will need to 
pair it with your phone, either by lining it up
with the camera or entering a code. Open the Books app and search for Apple 
Watch User Guide. Make sure you get the one for
version 9.0. There are detailed instructions on how to set up the watch using 
VoiceOver.

 

Best,

.

 

Hello Fazil,

 

I?m assuming this is your first Apple Watch. In that case, you will need to 
pair it with your phone, either by lining it up
with the camera or entering a code. Open the Books app and search for Apple 
Watch User Guide. Make sure you get the one for
version 9.0. There are detailed instructions on how to set up the watch using 
VoiceOver.

 

Best.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 7:16 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Apple Watch SE2?

 

Hello Fazil,

 

I?m assuming this is your first Apple Watch. In that case, you will need to 
pair it with your phone, either by lining it up
with the camera or entering a code. Open the Books app and search for Apple 
Watch User Guide. Make sure you get the one for
version 9.0. There are detailed instructions on how to set up the watch using 
VoiceOver.

 

Best,

Anna

 



  On Feb 12, 2023, at 12:10 AM, Fazil M.  wrote:

 

Hi, Group.

I am expecting Apple Watch SE2 soon.

How should I set it up when it is out of the box, please?

Thanks!

 

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RE: Apple Watch Question

[Ari Moisio]

Hello

Jus chekced  with my  watch SE with four finger double tap to activate the 
help mode :-)


Lukkily there is no five-finger-taps... yet.



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 Richard Turner kirjoitti

Subject: RE: Apple Watch Question
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2023 21:19:08
From: Richard Turner 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com


I have no idea.

 

I was told that the Magic Tap is the Magic Tap, is the Magic Tap on all Apple 
devices.

 

Obviously, I should try everything out first.

That does nothing.

So, the question returns, who told whom to do a Magic Tap to get audio feedback 
and on which watch?

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

?Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.?  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent
Life in the Universe

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
rick.alf...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 10:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Watch Question

 

Hi Richard. Is this new for the series 8 watches? I have a series 7 and it does 
nothing here at all. Curious.

 

 

 

 

---Warmest regards,

---Rick Alfaro

---rick.alf...@gmail.com

 

 

Warmest regards

 

Rick Alfaro

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Watch Question

 

It is the same as on the phone, two finger double tap.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

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--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent
Life in the Universe

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 8:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Watch Question

 

Hi All,

I was taking my heart rate with the ECG app. I was asked to perform a Magic tap 
to activate live audio. How does one perform
a magic tap on the watch? Thanks.

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Pokit meter/pro bt multimeters

[Ari Moisio]

Hello

Has anyone managed to get readings from Pokit  multimeters with it's 
iphone app?


With older version reding was available but with current i cannot even 
select the measurement screen.




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Re: Apple Watch 8

[Ari Moisio]

Hello

Afaik (November 2022) not. In addition i didn't manage to use the family 
membership feature to setup the watch's mobile data.


I think but cannot verify that the watch will show some kind of code, QR 
or so, to capture with phone's camera.





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 Fanus Buys kirjoitti

Subject: Apple Watch 8
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 11:51:20
From: Fanus Buys 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Hello list
I consider to purchase this beast. With the first gen watch I
struggled to do the setup because I could not find the way to hold the
watch over the specific place on my phone. The manual setup was quite
complicated. Has Apple made this process more streamline for blind
users?
Regards
Fanus




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Re: Question on a Sound Setting

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Iirc that setting is in the rotor.


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Subject: Question on a Sound Setting
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 01:09:34
From: blazie.g...@gmail.com
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Hi All,

 

I know that it is a very simple process to eliminate the sound that occurs when 
you run your finger down the screen but, for
the life of me, I can?t even remember where that sound setting is or I would 
turn it off.

 

I looked in Sounds and Haptics and in General and didn?t find the setting in 
there.

 

I am using an SE2020 with 15.1.

 

Could someone please remind me as to what the sound is called and where you can 
turn it off?

 

Many thanks for any assistance.

 

Vivian and Sallie

 

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Appstore comments

[Ari Moisio]

Hello

Is there any way to give feedback or comments in Appstore. I can select 
the number of stars and write the commend. On next page number of stars 
are asked again and my nickname but there is no button to submit the 
comment.


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Re: Bluetooth keyboard question

[Ari Moisio]

Hello

Try   F12 key.




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 Alex Stone kirjoitti

Subject: Bluetooth keyboard question
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 09:19:58
From: Alex Stone 
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" 

Can anyone remind me what the keyboard command on a Bluetooth keyboard is to 
show and hide the on-screen keyboard is? It?s not listed in commands under 
voiceover in settings.

Sent from my iPhone




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Re: Glucose monitor?

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

My wife has used Libre2 with IOs app at least two months. However the 
sensor lifetime is still two weeks, at least here in Finland.


The alerts are  quite  unreliable and the connection is  often lost.




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Subject: Re: Glucose monitor?
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 05:19:37
From: Danny Keys 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Hi,
I just spoke with them today and they said that the phone software for the 2 
isn?t out yet.



Dan



On Apr 11, 2021, at 5:36 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:

I can vouch, as my wife uses that system.  She can see well enough to tuse the 
reader, but I set up the app on her phone and i can also check her readings.
There is now a Libre 2 which has additional features, such as various alarms, 
and also a 21 day sensor, but as of now she uses the 14 day sensor.

Andy

- Original Message - From: "Earlene Hughes" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: Glucose monitor?


Hello Ann and all,
I recently started using the Freestyle Libre 14 day system product from Abbott. 
I highly recommend this product. I downloaded the Libre link app on my iPhone. 
The app is easy to use. You do not need to buy the reader unless you want a 
sighted person to look at your readings. I use my iPhone to monitor all of my 
data.
I recently got my insurance company to purchase my sensors. I have a small 
co-pay.
Here is a link that can get you started:
https://www.freestyle.abbott/us-en/home.html
I hope this information is helpful to you.
-Earlene Hughes

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Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 9:53 AM
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Subject: Glucose monitor?

Is there a glucose monitor that works with the iPhone???

Thx,

Ann

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Macally 22 bt keypad

[Ari Moisio]

Hello

Do any of you have any experience about Macally 22 bt keypad with 
idevices?


Primarily i need physical keys to use VO and enter PIN codes when 
required.




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Re: Thoughts on iPhone9?

[Ari Moisio]

Hello

On  the other hand Microsoft has made Windows 3, 95, 98, 2000, Xt, 7, 8 
and 10 iirc in this order.





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Subject: Re: Thoughts on iPhone9?
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 08:50:54
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Now this is a surprise, they've done iPhone x and even 11 now;  so presumed 9 
had been left behind a couple of years back.
Going back to it hardly seemed likely,  so if such a beast exists?...

Tia, RobH.

- Original Message -
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Subject: Thoughts on iPhone9?


What are people's thought on the iPhone 9?




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RE: Freestyle Libre or Dexcom?

[Ari Moisio]

Hello

In Finland the Libre sensors also last two weeks.

I'll be interested about that bt dongle, do you  have any furhther 
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Subject: RE: Freestyle Libre or Dexcom?
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 11:45:53
From: Simon A Fogarty 
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" 


Yeah in the US the libre last 10 days,

 

Here in Nz and in the UK and I believe everywhere else

The free style libre last 14 days.

 

Yes the NFC chip is what the sensors and the phone use to communicate however 
there is a device available for each of the
products that allows them to talk using blutetooth to your phone.

 

The Dexcom is I believe their own product

The freestyle uses a third party product called the miaomiao

I believe this is Chinese but that?s only a guess.

 

With this product currently or still I believe you have to either jailbreak 
your phone or set the software up as an apple
ddeveloper.

 

this may have changed in the passed couple of months but it was like this when 
I started using the freestyle 6 months ago.

 

The bt dongles for the devices do cost but they let your phone talk to your 
sensors without having to worry about the
manual  swiping

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2020 5:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Freestyle Libre or Dexcom?

 

According to one of my clients, the Dexcom is accessible.

Both types need at least an iPhone 7 because they use the NFC chip that was 
introduced starting with the 7.

Their apps make it so a blind person doesn?t need their expensive stand-alone 
device to scan the patch.

I think the Freestyle ones last longer but if the app doesn?t have an alarm, I 
can see why the doctor is leaning toward the
Dexcom.

Though, you may want to double check the specifications for each one to make 
sure that feature hasn?t been added.

 

 

 

Richard

 

? Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 4:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Freestyle Libre or Dexcom?

 

Hi all,

Yes, this is very much iPhone related.  I have a question about two glucose 
readers.  One is the Freestyle Libre and the
other is the Dexcom.  I know that the Libre app is accessible but I don't know 
anything about the Dexcom.  My doctor wants
me to get the Dexcom because it has alarms and the Libre does not.  The 
downside of it is that you have to enter in codes
every so often.  To me, if it is accessible that doesn't really matter because 
there is always Aira or some way to work that
out.  I also noticed that the Libre link app does not work on the 6 S.  Anyone 
know why?  Or do you have a customer service
number?  Does anyone have any answers or where I can go to find out more?  
Thanks in advance.

 

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

 

No matter where you are, no matter how difficult things might appear to be, you 
are always being moved toward magnificence.
Always.
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Double tap start playing music too easily

[Ari Moisio]

Hello

I have iPhone SE with latest IOS and have weird problem.  Ofthe when i end 
a call  with double finger double tap the phone end the call but starts 
playing music from the music library.


Is there any way to disable music playing except when the music app is 
open?




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Re: Was wondering about the freestyle libre and accessibility with the iPhone

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Freestyle use the NFC (near field communication) feature on the phone. 
Afaik  iPhone 7 is the first to have it.




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Subject: Re: Was wondering about the freestyle libre and accessibility with
the iPhone
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 07:08:16
From: Terri Stimmel 
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" 

Hello everyone,

Well I do not have this unit yeah, I looked at the link that was given for the 
US version of the app. It states that this
app uses specific features, this device does not offer. I?m not sure what in 
the world that means? I am using an iPhone S-6,
would the latest update.
Does anyone have any idea what that could mean?

Thank you,

Terri

Get Outlook for iOS
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Greg Wocher 
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 5:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Was wondering about the freestyle libre and accessibility with the 
iPhone  
Hello, I just finished up setting the app up. I am so glad the link was given 
for the US store. It was a breeze to set up
with my iPhone. The app works great. I will be using my phone from now on to 
scan my sensor.

Greg Wocher


  On Nov 5, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Reg Sullivan  wrote:

I understand that here in Canada the app is available and the reader is 
accessible using Iphone 7 and greater.  The
app uses NRC technology to read the sensor data using voice over to verbalize 
it for us. 
I will be trying the sensor as soon as I upgrade my phone, probably this fall. 
 
 
Regards?.Reg
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2018 4:30 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Cc: Terri Stimmel 
Subject: Re: Was wondering about the freestyle libre and accessibility with the 
iPhone
 
Hello,
 
I too am waiting for the release of the Freestyle LibreLink app in the US App 
Store. I currently am using the
TapTapSee application to capture a image of the screen and read the bg reading 
to me. This works well enough for now
but it will be nice to have the app on the phone with the Voice Alerts active. 
This feature is used to read the
current scanned blood sugar. It will also announce the direction such as slowly 
falling, raising slowly, etc. From
what I have read on some of the Diabetes forums the app is fully accessible 
with VoiceOver and it is pretty simple to
use. Here?s to hoping!
 
Ed Worrell  


  On Nov 5, 2018, at 4:53 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
 
Hello,
Right now the apps for either platform are not in the US right now. I am using 
the Libre now however. I use the
Envision AI app on my phone to read the screen of the Libre meter. It works 
quite well. Seeing AI does work but
not quite as well as Envision. The envision app does cost. It is $4.99 a month, 
$24.99 for six months or $40 a
year. There is also a one time purchase of $199 for a lifetime subscription to 
the app. 
 
Greg Wocher
 


  On Nov 5, 2018, at 12:26 AM, Brett  wrote:
 

Hi, 

there is a librelink app for the freestyle Libre you would need to check if 
it's released in your country.
If it is the librelink app can be used to start and read the sensor. I'm 
currently using mine with Android
and I'm due to start a new sensor in about 5 days, so I can test the iPhone 
accessibility if you can wait
till then. 
Cheers,
Brett.

On 5 November 2018 3:54:28 pm Terri Stimmel  wrote:

   Hello everyone,
 
Does anyone know anything regarding the freestyle libre for diabetes? How will 
it work with an
iPhone? You are using an app if there is one? Or you thinking something like 
seeing AI?
 
If anyone can tell me anything, I would really appreciate it.
 
Thank you,
 
Terri 
 
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RE: finding Whatsapp for my mini ipad

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

I tried few months ago to install whatsapp into ipad but the application 
wasn't availabe at  teh appstore. There  were, however, some compatible 
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Subject: RE: finding Whatsapp for my mini ipad
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 17:45:46
From: Sieghard Weitzel 
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" 


Not entirely sure if you can use Whats App on the iPad as you can on your 
phone, Whats App is tied to your mobile number.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:33 AM
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Subject: finding Whatsapp for my mini ipad

 

I want to install Whatsapp on my mini IPad, the same one that is on my phone, 
but there are different options with different
names and I am wondering which one for the IPad will give me the regular 
Whatsapp that I have on my phone.

 

Thanks.

 

Vicki

 

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Re: facebook on an iPad

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Hi

Yes:-)




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Subject: facebook on an iPad
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 07:02:58
From: Janet Bell 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

just a quick question are you able to get facebook on an iPad?

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Re: need to know where the options key is on the bluetooth keyboard

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Hi

You can turn the help mode by doubletapping with four fingers. then just 
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Subject: need to know where the options key is on the bluetooth keyboard
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 03:17:44
From: Arlene 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

While I have the list of commands, with typing on the bluetooth keyboard, we 
don't know which key is the toptions key, if
someone could tell me. Thank you.
 
Arlene

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Re: DLNA client for Ipad

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Answering my own question: only app i got any music out is Sesam upnp/dlna 
player.




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Subject: DLNA client for Ipad
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 20:43:02
From: Ari Moisio <ar...@iki.fi>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Hi

I need recommendations for accessible DLNA player for Ipad. Appstore search 
will offer roughly zillion alternatives and only few of the are free. Any 
suggestions for accessible ones?


I need only audio playback.

DLNA client for Ipad

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

I need recommendations for accessible DLNA player for Ipad. Appstore 
search will offer roughly zillion alternatives and only few of the are 
free. Any suggestions for accessible ones?


I need only audio playback.



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RE: iOS11 and Notifications

[Ari Moisio]

HI Ed

Would it be easier if you sort incoming mail by recipient, not 
by sender?




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Subject: RE: iOS11 and Notifications
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:47:31
From: Mr. Ed 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Hi Jeff,
For some reason since you have joined this group your emails do not come into the 
VIPhone group correctly. Let me see if I can explain it to you. When I have emails 
come into my email client Outlook I have folders set up for each of my groups that I 
belong too. So when emails come in from each group they go into the correct folder. 
Your emails do not do that. The reason is your emails says in the from field: From: 
jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton. Now I am 
going to paste another email from someone else's email from the From field: 
viphone@googlegroups.com; on behalf of; Sieghard Weitzel . As 
you can see his email start with vIphone and yours does not. I don't know how you 
have this setup to do this but your email is the only one that does this out of 
hundreds of emails I get from the vIphone group. Could you please look at this and 
see why this is.
Thank you for your assistants.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS11 and Notifications

Hey guys.  I have not been able to download IOS 11.  My phone keeps telling me 
my software is up to date.
Any ideas?

On 9/19/17, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

This is a known heavy bug.


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Carla
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 8:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS11 and Notifications

Yes I'm just getting the notifications sound but no speech.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Brian Hansen
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:40 AM
To: VIPhones 
Subject: iOS11 and Notifications
Importance: High

I was just wondering if anyone else is having problems with the
announcement

of their incoming notifications. Since upgrading to iOS 11, any time a
notification comes in, VO just announces the time instead of reading
the notification. Other than my notification dilemma, I?m really
impressed with

the responsiveness of VO on my 7 Plus. Also, this was the fastest I?ve
ever

been able to download the upgrade using iTunes. It came in at right
around 5

minutes. Now on to explore some more new features.

Blessings,

Brian

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RE: Transferring A contact From An IPhone To A Nokia

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

There is also Phonecopy
http://www.phonecopy.com



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Subject: RE: Transferring A contact From An IPhone To A Nokia
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 10:21:23 +0100
From: "Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)" 
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" 

Hi friends,

http://www.copytrans.net/copytranscontacts.php

This looks to be able to do exactly what I was talking about, copy contacts 
from one device to another but the unfortunate thing is that it appears to be 
15 dollars and there is no way to test if it is accessible or not.
I only want to run it once anyway.

Steve.

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Sent: 02 September 2015 16:57
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Transferring A contact From An IPhone To A Nokia

I sent MMS sending a contact card.  She didn't say it didn't work, so presume 
it did.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:34 PM
Subject: Transferring A contact From An IPhone To A Nokia


Has anyone ever tried this by sharing a contact and then sending it to a Nokia 
phone?
Not sure what wil happen or if there is another way to do this?



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Re: Accessible VOIP app for international group conference calls

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

If SIP is ok have a look at sip2sip.info, there is also sylkserver-based 
conference server.




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Subject: Re: Accessible VOIP app for international group conference calls
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:04:38 +1300
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com

Does anyone know of any solutions other than Skype? This is what we have been 
using, at my recommendation, and call quality regularly gets bad. I have been 
asked to try and find another accessible solution as Go To Meeting is not 
accessible, but supposedly has better call quality.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 23 Mar 2015, at 08:54, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote:

This is from the Skype web site:
Group calls
 Get a group of people together on one call ? you can add up to 25 people.
Adding people who already have Skype is free. To add people who aren?t on 
Skype, call them on their mobile or landline with Skype Credit  or a 
subscription.

HTH,
Richard

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Subject: Accessible VOIP app for international group conference calls

I am a director of a non-profit organisation. We have a small budget and a 
monthly conference call. we are looking for an accessible VOIP calling set-up 
which is inexpensive and allows private conference calls. All of us have 
computer or smartphone access.

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Re: apple keyboard

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

You can press left and right keys simultaneosly to turn quicknav on  and 
then press the right arrow to leave the edit field.




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Subject: apple keyboard
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:46:41 +
From: markbr...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com

Hi all can you tell me how to get out of an edit field to type in to the next 
edit field using a keyboard.

many thanks

Sent from my iPhone

Re: the roter, and the learning curve

[Ari Moisio]

Hi


Basically you select the rotor what function up/down swipe will do and you 
have probably selected move by headings. Try to select some other 
movement with the rotor.


To use the rotor image a big,round coin at the center of the screen. now 
move  two fingers around the edge of this imaginary coin  like tryin to 
rotate it.
(Dont put a real, physical coin on the screen, it will not work) Maybe a 
round cookie will do:-).


Volume buttons  are  push buttons and they usuaaly affect the sound that 
is currently playing so is you want to adjust volume level of certain 
pplication make sure VO is not talking at the same time.


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Subject: the roter, and the learning curve
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 07:48:30 -0500
From: Deidre Muccio deim...@verizon.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Help! I was playing around to see how the roter worked. It seemed
complicated because in settings there is a lot to do with the roter. I went
to some screen, maybe the home page and simply tried to make the gesture. I
stopped or tapped on heading. Now every screen I'm on says no heading
found. How do I get rid of that?
Also how do you get to the volume control wherever you are? There is
supposed to be a physical place on the phone to turn it up or down on the
left edge at the top - I'm using an old 4S - but though I feel a few tiny
little switches, they don't seem to move. I find a volume button a lot but
often I'm on a page without one, or maybe I'm just missing it, like the back
button which is sometimes hard for me to find and other times I can keep
moving back and back.
As for the learning curve even with a book, it's 3 steps forward, 2
steps back.

Deidre

Re: IOS 8 Released

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

On the other had one can get Android phones  approx $100  so the backward 
compatibility is not so important.  Also phones with fixed battery have 
much shorter lifespan because replacing the battery will be expensive.




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Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 10:47:57 +1200
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com

Works with iOS 8 with limitations. Apple does their best to support older hardware, 
and does a better job than Google and Microsoft. Good luck getting the latest 
version of Android working on a four year old Android phone. I also used to 
have similar problems getting new versions of Windows working on four year old 
computers.

The fact is, technology is always changing. Moore's Law states that device 
power will double every 18 months. So, a four year old device, such as an 
iPhone 4S, is the great grandfather to the iphone 6 (three generations ago).

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 21 Sep 2014, at 10:25, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote:

But the official statement from apple, who is who sold those iPhone 4s, and
who created IOs8, is that IOs 8, works on iPhone 4s.
So, we should not trust in apple?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joanne Chua
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

Well, first at all, i'm not sure why people will upgrade t heir 4s to ios8.
There are some key eatures on ios8 that won't be supported by iphone 5c and
below, and some are quite exclusive to 6 and 6+.
And again, all these support or not supported, for which phones and which
ios, it is not something new. It is the same old same old arguement from
pretty much the first gen of iphone to now.
People constently have problems reported from an old phone upgraded to the
new ios.
It is expected.
Apple does say that ios8 can be install on 4s. But if there is no
slaggishness, then, people won't keep upgrading their phone as the new ios
come out, will they.
Apple do that for a reason, they don't just release a new ios out from no
where, just because they can.

If you want to upgrade, that is your choice. But be prepare for te
slaggishness. And, if you do upgrade for a 4s to ios8, and knowing very well
that there are problems, stop complaining about it either...


On 20/09/2014, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not exactly sure what you're saying. I've seen posts to this list
where people have said their 4S's are running sluggishly with IOS 8
and others who claim it's just fine. The bottom line though is that
the 4S is supported by IOS 8, so it should run just fine, and if it
doesn't then Apple needs to fix it.


On 09/19/2014 09:56 PM, Charles wrote:
There have been a lot of reports that it might not work on the 4S.

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   - Original Message -
   *From:* Nishi mailto:chandanmoka...@gmail.com
   *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
   *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:45 AM
   *Subject:* Re: IOS 8 Released

   Hi,
   I have a 32gb Iphone 4s and i have updated to Ios 8.
   ..

   I must say that i am not happy at all after the update! The phone is
   very slow and apps tend to crash a lot!
   Voice over re starts on its own all the time. Am also having a
   problem marking mails and moving them to the trash!
   Over all, i am not happy with the update. I wish u all the best.
   Regards,
   Nishi.nt from my iPhone

   On 18-Sep-2014, at 7:02 pm, Anita silky...@gmail.com
   mailto:silky...@gmail.com wrote:


   Hi list,
   How well does IOS 8 work on the iPhone 4S 32 gig? Does it
   provide more stability, or work better on newer models?
   Thanks,
   Anita

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Jonathan Mosen mailto:jmo...@mosen.org
   *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
   *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:23 PM
   *Subject:* Re: IOS 8 Released

   You can, there is also a very thorough bug summary on Applevis.
   The one bug I would add that is not presently in that article,
   is that sometimes answering a call with a two-finger
   double-tap after you've been listening to audio will cause
   audio to resume rather than answer the call. This can get
   pretty messy.
   Jonathan Mosen
   Mosen Consulting
   Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
   http://Mosen.org


   On 18/09/2014, at 4:58 am, John Diakogeorgiou
   jdiakoge2...@gmail.com 

Re: IOS 8 Released

[Ari Moisio]

HI

I think it is other way around; the cheaper phone  or tablet the more 
plain Android.



But i have some spare S60 phones  so i can wait until either IOS or 
Android become accessible enough.




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Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:44:32 +0930
From: Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Well, with a $100 androy phone you will find that it is more than
likely is not Talkback comparable, because of whatever overlay that
they have on top of Google Stock Androy, and more than likely will
stop at Androy 4.22, which is a crap Androy OS when come to
accessibility. Yes, you can get it work, but is that really worth it,
that is another issue.
Of course, one could argue that it only cost $100, as  compare to
$1000 for an upgrade. If you have that mind set, go ahead, nothing
stopping you on switching over to Androy.
Just bare in mind, whatever phone you choose to get for Androy
platform, make sure you get Androy 4.3 and above. The best entry and
low end level phone for Google Stock Androy is Moto G or Moto E, which
is between $200 and $350 (depending on specific model.

In another word, Androy is good to see, good to touch, is great as a
secondary phone even. But, not all Androy phones are accessible for
the blind. That is the bottom line of the Androy OS.

On 22/09/2014, Ari Moisio ar...@iki.fi wrote:

Hi

On the other had one can get Android phones  approx $100  so the backward
compatibility is not so important.  Also phones with fixed battery have
much shorter lifespan because replacing the battery will be expensive.



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Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 10:47:57 +1200
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com

Works with iOS 8 with limitations. Apple does their best to support older
hardware, and does a better job than Google and Microsoft. Good luck
getting the latest version of Android working on a four year old Android
phone. I also used to have similar problems getting new versions of
Windows working on four year old computers.

The fact is, technology is always changing. Moore's Law states that device
power will double every 18 months. So, a four year old device, such as an
iPhone 4S, is the great grandfather to the iphone 6 (three generations
ago).

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 21 Sep 2014, at 10:25, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com
wrote:

But the official statement from apple, who is who sold those iPhone 4s,
and
who created IOs8, is that IOs 8, works on iPhone 4s.
So, we should not trust in apple?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Joanne Chua
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

Well, first at all, i'm not sure why people will upgrade t heir 4s to
ios8.
There are some key eatures on ios8 that won't be supported by iphone 5c
and
below, and some are quite exclusive to 6 and 6+.
And again, all these support or not supported, for which phones and
which
ios, it is not something new. It is the same old same old arguement from
pretty much the first gen of iphone to now.
People constently have problems reported from an old phone upgraded to
the
new ios.
It is expected.
Apple does say that ios8 can be install on 4s. But if there is no
slaggishness, then, people won't keep upgrading their phone as the new
ios
come out, will they.
Apple do that for a reason, they don't just release a new ios out from
no
where, just because they can.

If you want to upgrade, that is your choice. But be prepare for te
slaggishness. And, if you do upgrade for a 4s to ios8, and knowing very
well
that there are problems, stop complaining about it either...


On 20/09/2014, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not exactly sure what you're saying. I've seen posts to this list
where people have said their 4S's are running sluggishly with IOS 8
and others who claim it's just fine. The bottom line though is that
the 4S is supported by IOS 8, so it should run just fine, and if it
doesn't then Apple needs to fix it.


On 09/19/2014 09:56 PM, Charles wrote:
There have been a lot of reports that it might not work on the 4S.

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   *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:45 AM
   *Subject:* Re: IOS 8

RE: IOS 8 Released

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Where you got these  numbers? $35 would be believable if there is for 
example a hardware keypad included for each  and every iphone. Or if the 
cost of accessibility are divided between  the amount of blind iphone 
users.


According Wikipedia  there is about 500 millions iphones sold so the total 
cost of accessibility is  over 17 billion dollars.


When estimating $70 per hour this makes 156 thousand man-years of 
development. Iphones  have been on market about seven yearss  what gives 
the average esize of accessibility team a bit over 22000 employees.  Are 
there even so much blind iphones users out there?



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Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 00:21:16 -0400
From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Very easy answer.

First, accessibility costs a big lot of money and, if they calculate it at
$35 per phone, it amounts in billions.
Second, if Mr. Cook mentioned this at shareholders meeting is because the
shareholders wanted him to cut back on accessibility to save money and he
told them he would never do that. Let's be thankful he stood his ground.

Ron  Danvers


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Barry Hadder
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

Two questions come to mind.
1.  Why does Apple have to spend $35 for every iPhone sold for
accessibility.
2.  Why did Mr. cook feel it necessary to make that an issue at a
shareholders meeting.

On Sep 17, 2014, at 2:34 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:

Wow, what an interesting comparison. In reality, such devices have been
released. The first several devices were not at all accessible to the blind.
Therefore, your argument does not hold up to what actually happens. The fact
is, we are a very tiny group of people.

At work, we have a water filtration system which has multiple settings. the
system announces which type of water is coming out when it is started. It
does not announce the setting when being set. We have a few pieces of tape
on the face of the machine so I can find the start button.

My microwave oven has no announcements whatsoever. We marked the touch panel
with dots on the buttons, but I have no way of knowing for certain what I
have pressed until it is finished. The same is true with our washing machine
and dryer.

It is unfair to those of us who are blind, but we are not a viable market
for any mainstream product. Therefore, any bugs which effect VoiceOver only
are not major or showstopers for over 99% of Apple's market

And yet, Apple spends $35 per every iPhone sold for accessibility. This is
what was stated in April at a shareholder meeting by Tim Cook. This is not
an insignificant amount of money.

Now that the beta cycle is complete, send in those bug reports. The minor VO
only bugs can now be worked on more by Apple.

Oh, and as to the question about why doesn't Apple wait until all minor bugs
are fixed? Well, it is impossible to fix all bugs, so Apple would fall
behind as a company if they stop innovating in today's world. The majority
of those who buy products tend to purchase those products with the most
innovative useful features. For example, we just purchased a robotic vacuum.
We found a model which the base/recharging station empties the dirt from the
robot cleaner. This way, we only need to empty the dust from the bin in the
base station once a month or so. Much better than emptying the robot's
little dust cup after every use. Oh, and the robot needs to be programmed by
the sighted person. It does not have a blind-accessible interface.
Fortunately, the robotic lawnmower we are planning to purchase next year has
an iPhone app that appears to be accessible.
On 18/09/2014, at 6:35 am, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:


Sorry if you get this twice. My email provider has a few bugs today too.
Smile.

I did not say it had to be perfect, but consider this.
If you were developing a popular product that would drastically
decrease heart attacks, would you release it first with lots of bugs
for people who were blind just because it worked for people who see.
Would your company philosophy be that as long as it works for sighted
people it will be released even though it is not yet ready for people
who are blind? I don't expect it to be perfect, but I see no reason
why it is not just as stable for me as it is for my wife. Why am I
assumed to be impatient if I think people who are blind should have
equal access? Equal access means it works equally for both populations
when it is released. I think that is a reasonable assumption.

By the way, I did send a similar email to apple.

Neal

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Re: accessibility of chrome book

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Chromebook's s build-in screen reader is called ChromeVox,
http://www.chromevox.com/index.html



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Subject: accessibility of chrome book
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 23:42:41 -0400
From: larry lrmccre...@earthlink.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

I am looking at a chrome book and need some information on accessibility.  If 
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Re: check out the new features of GPS app - Seeing Assistant Move

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Interesting.

One issue i noticed if there is a address with civic number and distance 
after that the Acapella Satu tts does not always recognize them separate 
but announces 
like one big number. For example address

Kirkkokatu 1
and 552 meters after that is read like
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Subject: check out the new features of GPS app - Seeing Assistant Move
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 02:21:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Seeing Assistant support-seeingassist...@tt.com.pl
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Dear all,

I have a pleasure to inform you, that is a updated version of Seeing
Assistant Move available in App Store .
In new version 1.9.1 you can check out new features like:
- monitoring of localization
- possibility to use in application the built-in speech synthesis - only
iOS 7
- configuration presentation of direction in stand and moving mode

Our application has also other functions like simulate location, route
recording, use offline Open Street Map points, finding address and many
more functions. Please take some time to read a ?what?s new? section on App
Store and tutorial on website:
http://seeingassistant.tt.com.pl/en/move/

We are still interested about receiving opinions about the further
development of Seeing Assistant Move and our other apps: Home, Light and
Magnifier.

If you like our applications, don't hesitate to support us and leave a
review on the App Store. It will be very helpful for us. Thank you!!!


Best wishes,

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Re: Blind Square Help

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Inside shopping centers the  location accuracy is not the best possible 
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Subject: Blind Square Help
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 17:21:59 -0400
From: Blind Treasures  blindtreasu...@comcast.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

I've recently moved into a new home in which there is a shopping center in
close walking distance so trying to utilize blind square to help me identify
what stores are in the shopping center. Right now I have blind square set to
announce directions via degree but it seems to be giving directions
backwards. It will announce that a store is to the right when it is really
to the left. I've tried placing the phone in my pocket facing different
directions but doesn't seem to make a difference. Can someone who has used
blind square more give me some suggestions?
Lastly, does blind square seem to notify you more accurately when a
destination is set as a favorite or if you search for a place and then start
tracking it, or does it make a difference? Hope all this makes scence and
someone can give me some tips.

I'd rather be infected with love for the tiniest sliver of a second than
live a hundred years smothered by a lie.--Lena Haloway

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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Phone calls  and data plan have nothing to do with each other with current 
cell phones.



You  need data plan   for example to browse the www pages, to handle 
email,  stream content from some server, use certain  gps applications or 
get ppush notifications. If iphone is build so that it has to be connected 
alll the time it is it's   own problem.



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Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 04:51:23 -0400
From: Josh Gregory familyguyj...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com

What is the point in that? Doesn't make a lot of sense to be completely 
honest. You have to have a data plan in order to have a smart phone. You 
can use it on Wi-Fi but you can't make phone calls or anything like that 
which kind of defeats the whole purpose.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:51 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:

The point about a data plan is a point some in the blind community have been 
complaining about ever since the accessible iPhone 3GS was released. Some people do 
not wish to have a data plan, but still want an iPhone for everything it can do. 
ATT would not sell an iPhone on contract without a data plan, and the 
unsubsidised price of the iPhone is quite high.

Personally, I have not heard this complaint for a couple years now, so forgot 
about it. SmartPhones require data plans in order to fully function. Oh, and 
the same people, when they could get the carriers to remove the data plan, 
tended to complain because many of those desired features were then crippled.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 5 Jun 2014, at 17:31, don bishop donb...@emissives.com wrote:

The first thing that jumped right out at me was his statement that apple does 
not offer a data plan and you need one to get on the internet.
Doesn't he know that dataplans are controled by your phone carrier?  Also has 
he ever heard of wifi?

Simply shocking from someone who should know better.
Yes, he's been around for a very long time and was head of the nfb technology 
user's group.   Don't know if still is or not.
Din


- Original Message -
From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:13 pm
Subject: RE: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone




Curtis Chong the author of this article has been around for some time. It
would have been interesting if the article had been written by someone
younger.

Neal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Um. Where to start? Well, if you don't want a smart phone, don't get one. If
you don't want to pay for a data plan, get an iPod Touch, or an iPad without
a data plan. What are those, you say? Hmmm. As for the virtual keyboards
they're not as fast for anyone as a regular keyboard. How fast was the old
method of using the teeny keys on a real phone keyboard or even the numpad
keys for typing letters? Not very. And why not use Siri to call a number?
What is Siri? Hmmm.

I will say that I have come across folks at my local blind center who
receive iPhones and haven't the slightest idea how to operate them. A
well-meaning person might have given it as a gift, but they ask me why they
can't do things more simply. Maybe for some, a bit more one-on-one attention
would have been a good idea.

having said this, I think this article is more than a tad condescending, if
addressed to most blind folks out there.

Teresa

The golden age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete graham

On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:52 PM, 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
viphone@googlegroups.com wrote:


Has anyone read the June Braille Monitor?  there is an article covering

the supposed pros and cons of the iPhone.  I have to admit that it would be
very difficult for me to come up with a list of ten things which are not
good about the iPhone but this article supposedly did just that.  I plan to
write a detailed blog post in the coming week with my responses to the ten
objections but I'll just say that it's one of the most irresponsible pieces
of journalism I've ever read from that magazine.  Please, understand that
this is not meant as a bash about the NFB vs any other organization or even
a criticism of the Monitor.  However, the piece infuriated me because the
NFB is a highly influential organization and many of its members and readers
of the Monitor will take the article seriously just because it comes from a
nationally recognized blindness organization.  My fear is that many people
may read this article and will be convinced 

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

[Ari Moisio]

Hi


Afaik assistive touch requires one can see the screen.

I have looked some simple remote controller to simulate most often used 
keyboard commands - even though to make such beast with Raspberry but if i 
carry Raspberry with keypad  what will i do with the iphone any more:-)


Someone has even build a mobile phone around the Pi but i'm not so 
desperate yet:-)


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Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 00:29:01 +1200
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com

I would suggest looking into assistive touch. Given the situation, it would 
probably be a good idea to acquire the assistance of an Assistive Technology 
specialist who specialises in iOS and multiple disabilities.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 5 Jun 2014, at 23:32, Ari Moisio ar...@iki.fi wrote:

Hi

I have looked those options but got no help so far. My issue is not the home 
button but double tap i cannot make fast enough an usually only lost the 
focused item and have to find it again with flicking.


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Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 21:14:57 +1200
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
For item 10, there are a few aids.

Go to settings, general, accessibility, home click speed, and select slow or 
slowest.

Also in accessibility, one finds assistive touch which modifies the screen and 
command structure for limited dexterity, switch control for either a bluetooth 
switch, or using the front-facing camera to monitor a person's head movements 
for switch activation, and guided access which limits what a person can do on 
the iPhone / iOS device. One will also find several options for low vision 
users, and options for users suffering from hearing loss.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 5 Jun 2014, at 21:00, Ari Moisio ar...@iki.fi wrote:

Hi

Comments about comments about comments:


1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option for that. 
A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You need a data plan 
for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the Internet.
Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the Internet. 
If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home, he can buy an 
iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't require an additional 
monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer or device that accesses the 
Internet is usually going to require you to pay for some sort of access plan.

On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most  non-iphones works as a 
phone without a data plan.


2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone, 
particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can dial a 
phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that has real, 
physical buttons.
Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command siri to call any 
number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's hardly what I'd call 
inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen protectors from Speeddots containing 
tactile keyboard overlays.
Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad 
allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard commands which 
let you control many other functions of the iPhone.


We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had to 
dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary dial and 
after that the  tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit old-fashion:-)

Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push harder to 
press the button. Also each application will spread it's buttons around the 
screen so every application you'll use needs it's own tactile layer. Good 
business, i have to admit.


3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as compared to 
a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by Braille apps, of which 
there are now two. However, you should know that research has shown that, on 
average, a blind person entering data using the touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is 
writing at about three words per minute. By contrast, users of the built-in 
Braille apps have been clocked at around 23 words per minute.
response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to compose 
a lengthy email or text

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

I bough it   mainly out of  curiosity and to evaluate  some applications 
and of course the touch screeen interface.


For my preferences the touch screen is too  complex, slow and unreliable 
type of interface.




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Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 18:25:09 -0700
From: Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

I bought it for all of those reasons and more.

Andy


-Original Message- From: Ari Moisio
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 5:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Hi

Some sighted buy it because it looks so cool, some will buy it because its
Apple. Many blind will buy because they  have heard it is accessible.





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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Comments about comments about comments:

1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option for 
that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You need a data 
plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the Internet.
Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the Internet. 
If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home, he can buy an 
iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't require an additional 
monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer or device that accesses the 
Internet is usually going to require you to pay for some sort of access plan.
On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most  non-iphones works 
as a phone without a data plan.


2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone, 
particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can dial a 
phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that has real, 
physical buttons.
Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command siri 
to call any number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's hardly what 
I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen protectors from 
Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays.
Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad 
allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard commands 
which let you control many other functions of the iPhone.


We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had to 
dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary dial 
and after that the  tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit 
old-fashion:-)


Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push 
harder to press the button. Also each application will spread it's buttons 
around the screen so every application you'll use needs it's own tactile 
layer. Good business, i have to admit.


3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as compared 
to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by Braille apps, of 
which there are now two. However, you should know that research has shown 
that, on average, a blind person entering data using the touch-screen QWERTY 
keyboard is writing at about three words per minute. By contrast, users of 
the built-in Braille apps have been clocked at around 23 words per minute.
response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to 
compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages, composing 
one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can use your voice 
to place a call.


Keyboards are even bulkiert than the iphone itself.  If i have to dictate 
something i can call with same effort.


4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear coordination. 
People who want real buttons that they can operate silently by touch will be 
very disappointed in the iPhone.
As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile 
overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering the 
iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the iPhone demonstrates, with 
a properly designed user interface, that blind people can successfully 
operate a touchscreen.


But people who prefer tactile buttons are still disappointed.

5. Battery life for the iPhone is still an issue. You have to charge it at 
least once a day--a lot more if you use GPS.
Response: yes, I long for the days when products like the Braille 'n Speak 
could give us 30 hours of battery life from one charge. However, this is a 
non-issue. During the day, I connect my iPhone to my computer's USB port and 
when I get home I connect it to my computer for a few hours before going to 
bed. Turning off Bluetooth, if you're not using that service, and turning 
your screen brightness down to zero percent will do a lot to save battery 
life. Besides, it's not exactly a major inconvenience to plug the thing into 
a computer or a wall outlet every night.


It depends if you have a computer or usb  connector near you. For example 
for a long bus or train journey if you like to follow your  location on 
gps there are not always a usb port to charge.  GPS is especially power 
hungry.



6. The iPhone is not small. It is bigger than a lot of flip phones.
response: are you serious? Really, are you kidding me? My wife's Motorola 
Droid Ultra has a wider form factor. The iPhone fits very comfortably in one 
hand. I mean, we're not talking about a device like an iPad or a Kindle 8.9 
HDX.


Should i list here all the smaller phones i know?

7. For a lot of people the iPhone is a lot more technology than they want. It 
is not for someone who just wants a phone to make and receive calls.
response: true, but once blind people discover that the iPhone can act as 
their digital book player, restaurant menu reader, Web browser, email client, 
money identifier, 

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

I have looked those options but got no help so far. My issue is not the 
home button but double tap i cannot make fast enough an usually only 
lost the focused item and have to find it again with flicking.



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Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 21:14:57 +1200
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com

For item 10, there are a few aids.

Go to settings, general, accessibility, home click speed, and select slow or 
slowest.

Also in accessibility, one finds assistive touch which modifies the screen and 
command structure for limited dexterity, switch control for either a bluetooth 
switch, or using the front-facing camera to monitor a person's head movements 
for switch activation, and guided access which limits what a person can do on 
the iPhone / iOS device. One will also find several options for low vision 
users, and options for users suffering from hearing loss.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 5 Jun 2014, at 21:00, Ari Moisio ar...@iki.fi wrote:

Hi

Comments about comments about comments:


1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option for that. 
A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You need a data plan 
for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the Internet.
Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the Internet. 
If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home, he can buy an 
iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't require an additional 
monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer or device that accesses the 
Internet is usually going to require you to pay for some sort of access plan.

On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most  non-iphones works as a 
phone without a data plan.


2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone, 
particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can dial a 
phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that has real, 
physical buttons.
Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command siri to call any 
number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's hardly what I'd call 
inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen protectors from Speeddots containing 
tactile keyboard overlays.
Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad 
allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard commands which 
let you control many other functions of the iPhone.


We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had to 
dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary dial and 
after that the  tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit old-fashion:-)

Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push harder to 
press the button. Also each application will spread it's buttons around the 
screen so every application you'll use needs it's own tactile layer. Good 
business, i have to admit.


3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as compared to 
a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by Braille apps, of which 
there are now two. However, you should know that research has shown that, on 
average, a blind person entering data using the touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is 
writing at about three words per minute. By contrast, users of the built-in 
Braille apps have been clocked at around 23 words per minute.
response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to compose 
a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages, composing one is as 
quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can use your voice to place a 
call.


Keyboards are even bulkiert than the iphone itself.  If i have to dictate 
something i can call with same effort.


4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear coordination. 
People who want real buttons that they can operate silently by touch will be 
very disappointed in the iPhone.
As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile 
overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering the 
iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the iPhone demonstrates, with a 
properly designed user interface, that blind people can successfully operate a 
touchscreen.


But people who prefer tactile buttons are still disappointed.


5. Battery life for the iPhone is still an issue. You have to charge it at 
least once a day--a lot more if you use GPS.
Response: yes, I long for the days when products like the Braille 'n Speak 
could give us 30 hours of battery life from one charge. However, this is a 
non-issue

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Some sighted buy it because it looks so cool, some will buy it because its 
Apple. Many blind will buy because they  have heard it is accessible.



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Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 05:08:57 -0700
From: Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Well, I can't think of anyone who would buy an iPhone just because they need 
a phone.

Andy


-Original Message- From: Ari Moisio
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 2:00 AM
To: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Hi

Comments about comments about comments:

1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option for 
that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You need a 
data plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the Internet.
Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the 
Internet. If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home, he 
can buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't require 
an additional monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer or device 
that accesses the Internet is usually going to require you to pay for some 
sort of access plan.

On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most  non-iphones works
as a phone without a data plan.

2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone, 
particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can dial 
a phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that has real, 
physical buttons.
Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command siri 
to call any number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's hardly what 
I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen protectors from 
Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays.
Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad 
allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard commands 
which let you control many other functions of the iPhone.


We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had to
dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary dial
and after that the  tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit
old-fashion:-)

Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push
harder to press the button. Also each application will spread it's buttons
around the screen so every application you'll use needs it's own tactile
layer. Good business, i have to admit.

3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as 
compared to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by Braille 
apps, of which there are now two. However, you should know that research 
has shown that, on average, a blind person entering data using the 
touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is writing at about three words per minute. By 
contrast, users of the built-in Braille apps have been clocked at around 23 
words per minute.
response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to 
compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages, composing 
one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can use your 
voice to place a call.


Keyboards are even bulkiert than the iphone itself.  If i have to dictate
something i can call with same effort.

4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear 
coordination. People who want real buttons that they can operate silently 
by touch will be very disappointed in the iPhone.
As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile 
overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering 
the iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the iPhone 
demonstrates, with a properly designed user interface, that blind people 
can successfully operate a touchscreen.


But people who prefer tactile buttons are still disappointed.

5. Battery life for the iPhone is still an issue. You have to charge it at 
least once a day--a lot more if you use GPS.
Response: yes, I long for the days when products like the Braille 'n Speak 
could give us 30 hours of battery life from one charge. However, this is a 
non-issue. During the day, I connect my iPhone to my computer's USB port 
and when I get home I connect it to my computer for a few hours before 
going to bed. Turning off Bluetooth, if you're not using that service, and 
turning your screen brightness down to zero percent will do a lot to save 
battery life. Besides, it's not exactly a major inconvenience to plug the 
thing into a computer or a wall outlet every night.


It depends if you have a computer or usb  connector near you. For example
for a long bus or train journey if you like to follow your  location on
gps

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

An interesting article. My only complain is that about half of the good 
points  were already available even with latest Symbian phones.



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Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 21:09:31 -0700
From: Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

HI David and others,

I just read the article, which can be found here:
https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm14/bm1406/bm140608.htm

In my opinion, the article reads like it was written by an amateur. Smile.

Some of this person's complaints would apply to any phone such as fees and
size. Wow, what a ridiculous set of arguments.

Joseph

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 8:52 PM
Subject: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone


Has anyone read the June Braille Monitor?  there is an article covering
the supposed pros and cons of the iPhone.  I have to admit that it would
be very difficult for me to come up with a list of ten things which are
not good about the iPhone but this article supposedly did just that.
I plan to write a detailed blog post in the coming week with my
responses to the ten objections but I'll just say that it's one of the
most irresponsible pieces of journalism I've ever read from that
magazine.  Please, understand that this is not meant as a bash about the
NFB vs any other organization or even a criticism of the Monitor.
However, the piece infuriated me because the NFB is a highly influential
organization and many of its members and readers of the Monitor will
take the article seriously just because it comes from a nationally
recognized blindness organization.  My fear is that many people may read
this article and will be convinced to not buy an iPhone due to things
which the article claims are not good about the device.



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Re: Temporary Work-arounds for Bluetooth Keyboard Bug in iOS 7.1

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Enabling keyboard seems to be quite random: sometimes navigating out and 
in will help. Occasionally activating field multiple times may help. 
Sometimes activating the field with VO-space instead of up-and-down arows 
migth work and often entering first character with the touch screen  will 
enable the keyboard.


Sometimes the keyboard  ceases to work middle of the word.

Every now and then the focus will be on a wrong field after activation.

Password fiels are  the worst to get working.

Luckily Apple does not manufacture cars:-)



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Subject: Re: Temporary Work-arounds for Bluetooth Keyboard Bug in iOS 7.1
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 15:39:37 -0400
From: brucemb bruce...@verizon.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

hi all:  I did find that if in a edit box, turning off the keyboard, and back 
on again does fix it.  Will try this new idea.  Thanks.
bruce from my computer 



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Re: having trouble with bluetooth keyboard since updating

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

I found that occasionally entering one character with the toouch screen or 
navigating to the on-screen keyboard with arrow keys and entering  one 
characcter will re-enable the bt keyboard.


Really  pity that the NDA agrreement is so strict that beta testers are 
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Subject: Re: having trouble with bluetooth keyboard since updating
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:15:24 +0200
From: ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com

Tern it off and on again

Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 13, 2014, at 3:06 AM, Craig Werner coffeeb...@gmail.com wrote:

The erratic behavior of the Bluetooth keyboard is an unfortunate bug
in iOS 7.1.  There appears to be no permanent fix.  Try taking focus
away from he app you are in and then restoring it.  Some user report
limited success if they turn the keyboard off and on again.  You may
wish to email accessibil...@apple.com to express concern.

Craig


On 3/12/14, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I have a logic tech bluetooth keyboard, the one that can connect up to three
devices at once. I tried entering text today in an edit filed, and nothing
happened. I just updated to 7.1. has anyone had this problem?
Thanks.

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Re: software update 7.06

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Major ' improvements'on IOS 7 were worse  speech synthesizer, 
over-sensitive  touchscreen, alternate symbols that appeared  at the on 
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Subject: Re: software update 7.06
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 06:44:41 -0600
From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

I don't understand the question. Of course Apple will work on voiceOver. It 
isn't true that nothing has happened since IOS 7 was released. IOS 7.0.3 
released at the end of October had multiple fixes in it related to VoiceOver 
and accessibility. IOS 7.1, which is reported to come out shortly, has quite 
a few changes and fixes in it, including many related to VoiceOver and 
accessibility. Apple has also demonstrated over the past, with major updates 
like IOS 6, IOS 5 and so on, that changes and improvements will be made to 
VoiceOver and accessibility. To a lesser degree, this has also been 
demonstrated with dot releases.


Apple isn't perfect, and there are multiple legitimate issues you could have 
with Apple, but a statement implying that Apple hasn't or isn't going to work 
on VoiceOver is simply false.


On 02/27/2014 04:12 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:

Well, I don't use public WiFi. But, I am wondering if apple will work
with VO. Now is half year from IOs 7 has been released, and nothing happen.

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*From:* David Chittenden mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, February 27, 2014 1:33 AM
*Subject:* Re: software update 7.06

If you do not use the update, more people are apt to hack your info
when online in a public area. The update fixes the problem.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 26 Feb 2014, at 7:02, Tess tess...@gmail.com
mailto:tess...@gmail.com wrote:


I thought it said that if you use that in public areas, that
people are more apt to hack your personal info?

Not worried about VO, more about security.



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Teresa Cochran
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:55 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: software update 7.06

I?m not having any problems. This is a security update, so there
haven?t been changes in VO. it?s recommended to update, especially
if you use public wifi.

Teresa


?Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply
enough.??Richard P. Feynman

On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Tess tess...@gmail.com
mailto:tess...@gmail.com wrote:



I thought the update software had some very serious issues?

I hadn't updated to the new version.

Anyone having any problems?



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Lori Dent
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:43 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: software update 7.06

Hi Allen,

Thanks for responding to my post. But I already downloaded and
installed the software update just fine. Take care.

Lori and theGipper

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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Some i have found:

- Logitech Powershell

- iMpulseController
http://impulsecontroller.com

- iControlPad
http://www.icontrolpad.com
(Recommended by Blindsquare)


Also  googling with
iphone game controller bluetooth
will bring some more controllers.




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Subject: Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 07:37:14 -
From: goshawk on horseback goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

please could you give some examples of such controllers? as when I had a
look, all I could find was a little joystick that attached to the touch
screen, and nothing else. admittedly, this was over a year ago however.

Simon


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Subject: Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users


Hi

On the other hand many gamers want  precise  and immediate interaction and
there are plenty of game controllers for the idevices  available.  I doupt
anyone has said  that they just are not get used to the touchscreen:-)

Unfortunately until Apple puts any effort to general keyboard usability on
IOS devices these keypads do not help much except for making flicking and
double tapping  faster and more prddictable. Apples's 1D approach for
screen navigation is extremely inefficient. 2D-way, exploring the screen
with one finger  is faster but for efficient use one  heve to memorize all
the controls on every screen of any application he/she uses.

It is a bit unfair to compare mobile phones to desktop computers but even
sighted ones works more efficiently with keyboard than mouse/touchscreen.

Using the touch screen as blind is similar to using an failing keyboard:
you have every time check that the key press gets through  and it was the
correct key that wenth trough.




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Re: Announcing a revolutionary remote for iOS VoiceOver users

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

On the other hand many gamers want  precise  and immediate interaction and 
there are plenty of game controllers for the idevices  available.  I doupt 
anyone has said  that they just are not get used to the touchscreen:-)


Unfortunately until Apple puts any effort to general keyboard usability on 
IOS devices these keypads do not help much except for making flicking and 
double tapping  faster and more prddictable. Apples's 1D approach for 
screen navigation is extremely inefficient. 2D-way, exploring the screen 
with one finger  is faster but for efficient use one  heve to memorize all 
the controls on every screen of any application he/she uses.


It is a bit unfair to compare mobile phones to desktop computers but even 
sighted ones works more efficiently with keyboard than mouse/touchscreen.


Using the touch screen as blind is similar to using an failing keyboard: 
you have every time check that the key press gets through  and it was the 
correct key that wenth trough.


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Re: Portable Bluetooth Keyboard Suggestions

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Such mni-keyboard with arrow keys and most essential VO command keys would 
be handy especially for  us whose dads din't work on a nuclear plant - ie 
who have onl two hands:-)


I also prefer to keep the phone in a pocket. It is not advisable 
everywhere to both show you're blind and have an expensive phone.


Some game controller such as iMpulsecontroller would be handy if it could 
be tuned a bit  but  of course it requires there are enough intersted 
people to  purchase the modified controller.



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Subject: Portable Bluetooth Keyboard Suggestions
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 13:12:56 -0600
From: Robert Vaughn kc5...@gmail.com
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When out walking and using a GPS app such as BlindSquare or Maps I would
prefer to keep my iPhone 4S in my pocket  use a keyboard to navigate the
app.

I know Apple has a portable bluetooth keyboard but they tend to be a bit
pricy so hopefully there is a good after market solution.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.




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Re: Interested in people's preferences...

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

I use solely the apple bt keyboard. I have tried Bowwave and the RII 
mini-keyboards but they  aren't any better than the touchscreen  when 
typing. Basic VO use  is of course easier with physical keys.


I'm also looking for a small bt remote controller if it could be 
configured to perform the basic VO keystrokes.



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Re: App that has physical modules it can ping in order to locate them.

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

There are the impulsecontroller units that can also be used as a key 
finder but the application is not accessible at all:-(


The units have  also charged at least once in a month so it isn't very 
practical solution.


http://www.impulsecontroller.com


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Subject: App that has physical modules it can ping in order to locate them.
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 15:46:49 -0600
From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Hi, Is there any company that makes an app that has small physical objects
that can be made to make a noise so as to locate them? I used to have
something like this, but it was not an app. You had a small box that was a
transmitter and several small receiver objects you could attach to things
like a water bottle and you could press a button and cause the module
attached to the water bottle Etc. to make a noise. Is there such a thing
that can be interfaced with the iPhone?



Thanks.



Neal




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Impulsecontroller

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

I found an interesting  miniature game controller,
http://www.impulsecontroller.com/
and ordered it to  check it it  could be used something useful too:-)

At least one can use it as arrow keys to navigate  in VO but unfortunately 
one cannot make the double tap  although latest  firmware will have a home 
button equivalent.


It would be handy to have only a small remote controller in hand instead 
of bulky, fragile and stealprone phone:-)



I have contacted the developer if there  would be some way to re-define 
the keys 
but got no response  so far.



Anothher possibility would  be to hijack the Audio/Video Remote Control 
Profile (AVRCP) keystrokes and use them to navigate within VO. The 
impulsecontoller can send them also.


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Re: a challenge for all

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Could there  be some hardware solution such as talking multimeter - if you 
happen  to find one - or 1-wire voltage measurement chip and some small 
computer such as Raspberry to read out the values?




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Subject: a challenge for all
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 15:31:43 -0500
From: Jed Barton j...@jedbarton.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Hey guys,

Alright, I'm going to throw this out there.  I'm hoping someone can offer
some thoughts on this.
I am looking at a dispatcher position for a fire department.  I've
dispatched for a long time and am all about creativity when it comes to
getting a job done.  One of the requirements, you have to read 2 different
meters for fire alarm circuits to get voltages.  In our technologically
advanced world, there has to be a way this could be done.  With all the apps
out there, can anyone think of a way to do this?  It's older equipment, but
I would guess there has to be a way to take a picture of the meter in
question.
Any thoughts on this?




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For putting any number icon on the home screen?

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

This thread reminted me about  other issue: is there some way to make 
icons at the  home screen that will launch the phone app and call certain 
number?



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Re: How to send my GPS coordinates

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Yes the Maps application and share with e-mail. This will send a vcard 
file that contains a link to map service. The coordinates are also 
available as part of the url.




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Subject: Re: How to send my GPS coordinates
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:40:38 -0600
From: Denny Schwab denny.sch...@gmail.com
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I don't know if this will do it, but you can go into map and share
your current location.  I am not sure if it adds the GPS coordinates
on though.

On 11/13/13, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hello,
I need to send the coordinates of where I live so that someone can come and
pick me up next week. I should explain, here in Ireland, we don't have post
codes. Plus, I live in the middle of nowhere! Now, I have tried an app
called I'm Right here, but it doesn't seem to want to work for me though it
did in the past. Can anyone suggest a simple method or at that I can use to
get my GPS coordinates so that I can send them on?

Thanks in advance,
Sandy

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Re: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

I cannot remember if Seeing eue use Foursquare data. If not
you might get better results with Blindsquare.



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Subject: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 22:12:11 -0800
From: Sarah Clark sa...@sarahaclark.com
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   I would like to use the Seeing Eye app to identify stores I am walking past 
in a mall, but I can't figure out how to get this info. I was using it inside a 
mall today, and it told me a couple of things, like that Starbucks was nearby, 
but it was mostly telling me about streets and intersections near the mall. 
What settings do I need to make sure the app is set to in order to get it to 
identify the stores inside? Is it part of the location wand, or is it a 
particular setting, or some combination of things?

Thanks,
Sarah




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Re: picture size

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Hi

Weird. Only explanation i can think that iPhone will uncopress the  image 
before storing  it. With those nubers on pixel in the image will use 7.6 
bbytes of data. Even uncompressed, raw images will use 24 bit, 6 bytes per 
pixel.


 This makes no sense because uncompressing the image does not improve it's 
quality.




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Subject: picture size
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:48:23 -0400
From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com
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Hi all.
I transfer a picture to my iPhone 5s, the picture size in my computer is  
129Kb. The picture is high quality, and the pixels dimentions are 1024 by 796. 
Even though, in iTunes, my iPhone 5s says that my phone has one picture, of 
6.2Mb. Why if the picture that I transfered to my iPhone in my computer is of 
129Kb, in my iPhone is 6.2Mb?
I mean, I am talking that this picture in my iPhone, is 49.21 times bigger than 
the picture size in my computer. Like this, I am starting to think that 
something is wrong with the size memory in the iDevices. I mean, something that 
is transfer from a computer to a device, but the file transfered is 49.21 times 
bigger than the file size source. I think that something is wrong here.
Any body can help me to understand why a picture of 129Kb full a space of 6.2 
Mb in my iPhone?
Thanks
P




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Re: BlindSquare, A Disappointment

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

With Blindsquare this should not matter because both of it's map resources 
are globally available.


IMO there is market  and need for blind-specific navigation applications. 
Reason is very simple: sighted has only to look the visual map to get 
information. For us there should be either quick commands to get needed 
information or let the application babble all the time.


Personally i prefer the former approach.



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Subject: Re: BlindSquare, A Disappointment
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:59:50 +1300
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com

Yes, this is part of what I am talking about. The blindness specific GPS apps 
are primarily focused on US, Canada, and UK.

Apple Maps, Google Maps, and general market GPS apps cover many more countries.

With the blindness focussed apps, one pays significantly more for significantly 
less.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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On 28 Oct 2013, at 23:51, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:

Hi, my answer is somewhat dependent on what you said earlier so i?m replying in 
the context. See below:


28 okt 2013 kl. 00:38 skrev Grant Hardy grantha...@outlook.com:

. Ariadne only announces your current street along with address ranges; 
BlindSquare announces all this plus cross streets.

If it only did, sigh. Joe i agree with you so you?re not alone. I have never to 
this day seen BS announce any cross streets in any shape or form whatsoever. 
Points of interest? Yes it announces them, just not streets and intersections, 
well it can announce streets provided it?s when it announces addresses which it 
does in long intervals, that is BS is mostly silent when i need it, but when i 
don?t need it, it blabbers on endlessly sometimes about addresses or streets 
i?ve already passed. Filtering does nothing it only makes BS even more quiet. 
I?m sorry and i probably will be flamed to bits for what i have said here, but 
i don?t understand the hype of the app either. I thought it was me that was 
stupid as usual, but after having tried BS in various situations i wonder if i 
really could be this dense. Something isn?t working with Blind Square where i 
live in Sweden. I am in contact with the developer to see if a fix can be made 
to this.
/Krister

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Re: BlindSquare, A Disappointment

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Hi

The  POI density of FS varies wildly. For example here inf Finland there 
is almost 100 POIS per square kilometer at the Helsinki capitol area but 
at  northern or eastern areas less than 0.1  POIs perm km2.


Quality of the POIs also varies.: i have noticed  about one third of the 
POIs are quite pointless (pun intended): private homes tagged something

else than private homes, lot of moving targgets not tagged so etc.

Accuracy is adequate to find out what is nearby but usually one needs good
 OM skills to find the entrance.

Openstreetmap is a different story. Although we are talking about
 countries where a blind person can afford an iPhone   and could 
expect than joe Average  can afford  a smartphone too.  However fro OSM 
mapping  satellite and aerial images are used a lot, also dedicated gps 
loggers.


I cannot talk about OSM coverage globally but here  in Finland when i have 
compared  OSM maps and  Finnish national land survey maps  OSM coverage is 
quite good.


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Subject: Re: BlindSquare, A Disappointment
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 01:04:57 +1300
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com

Well, for POI, FourSquare is reliant on its users checking in to places to 
identify those places. In the US, many sighted people check in to places with 
FourSquare. In NZ, on the other hand, some areas have many places marked whilst 
other areas have only a few, or no places marked. Australia is better marked 
than NZ, at least for large cities, but smaller towns are not marked very well 
at all.

The same is true for the free user-identified street maps. Outside heavy 
smartphone use areas where people are marking streets, nothing will be 
identified. Therefore, even though Blind Square accesses worldwide data, 
the data is not readily available outside the US, Canada, UK, and parts 
of Western Europe.


Apple Maps and Google Maps actually access better map data. The same is true 
for other general market GPS apps which are sold for specific countries.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 29 Oct 2013, at 0:39, Ari Moisio ar...@iki.fi wrote:

Hi

With Blindsquare this should not matter because both of it's map resources are 
globally available.

IMO there is market  and need for blind-specific navigation applications. 
Reason is very simple: sighted has only to look the visual map to get 
information. For us there should be either quick commands to get needed 
information or let the application babble all the time.

Personally i prefer the former approach.



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Subject: Re: BlindSquare, A Disappointment
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:59:50 +1300
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Yes, this is part of what I am talking about. The blindness specific GPS apps 
are primarily focused on US, Canada, and UK.

Apple Maps, Google Maps, and general market GPS apps cover many more countries.

With the blindness focussed apps, one pays significantly more for significantly 
less.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 28 Oct 2013, at 23:51, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:

Hi, my answer is somewhat dependent on what you said earlier so i?m replying in 
the context. See below:


28 okt 2013 kl. 00:38 skrev Grant Hardy grantha...@outlook.com:

. Ariadne only announces your current street along with address ranges; 
BlindSquare announces all this plus cross streets.

If it only did, sigh. Joe i agree with you so you?re not alone. I have never to 
this day seen BS announce any cross streets in any shape or form whatsoever. 
Points of interest? Yes it announces them, just not streets and intersections, 
well it can announce streets provided it?s when it announces addresses which it 
does in long intervals, that is BS is mostly silent when i need it, but when i 
don?t need it, it blabbers on endlessly sometimes about addresses or streets 
i?ve already passed. Filtering does nothing it only makes BS even more quiet. 
I?m sorry and i probably will be flamed to bits for what i have said here, but 
i don?t understand the hype of the app either. I thought it was me that was 
stupid as usual, but after having tried BS in various situations i wonder if i 
really could be this dense. Something isn?t working with Blind Square where i 
live in Sweden. I am in contact with the developer to see if a fix can be made 
to this.
/Krister

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Re: This might be interesting for blindsquare users

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

BS should work in   Sweden as well as here in Finland.  What kind of 
roblems do you have?



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Subject: Re: This might be interesting for blindsquare users
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:00:09 +0200
From: Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Hi,
If the developer is listening i have this to say: It would be fun to 
participate, however i can't since it appears that Blindsquare doesn't work 
properly in Sweden. Either that or you know something i don't know that makes 
the whole thing work.
/Krister

14 okt 2013 kl. 23:21 skrev Anne Günther ag82...@leseguenni.de:


Hi
I got the link in another Mailinglist, sounds interesting.
http://blindsquare.com/challenge/
Guenni

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Re: This might be interesting for blindsquare users

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Strange... do you live in a city or at countryside?  Heve you checked some 
bigger city in the simulation mode to find out  if there are more streeets 
and crossings. Could you check with the OpenStreetMap site if there are 
mapped roads around your location.


OSM coverage  is quite good nowadays so i doubpt missing coverage might be 
the problem.




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Subject: Re: This might be interesting for blindsquare users
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:49:49 +0200
From: Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Hi,
I have actually tried to contact the developer but have yet to get answers on 
why blindsquare doesn't tell intersections or even street names. It tells me 
POis and adresses ok, but streets and intersections, no way jose.
/Krister

15 okt 2013 kl. 16:38 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca:


Hi Krister,

Have you contacted the developer? Did they tell you it should work in
Sweden? Anyhow, I thought Blindsquare uses Google Maps and Foresquare so one
would  assume that it should work if google Maps works.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Re: This might be interesting for blindsquare users

Hi,
If the developer is listening i have this to say: It would be fun to
participate, however i can't since it appears that Blindsquare doesn't work
properly in Sweden. Either that or you know something i don't know that
makes the whole thing work.
/Krister

14 okt 2013 kl. 23:21 skrev Anne Günther ag82...@leseguenni.de:


Hi
I got the link in another Mailinglist, sounds interesting.
http://blindsquare.com/challenge/
Guenni

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Re: Marking points of interest on blind square with out 4square account and not using the cumpus for direction.

[Ari Moisio]

Hi Jared

You can mark your own locations with Blindsquare, no need to use 
Foursquare.


I don't think there are any kind of private points in foursquare.   Anyone 
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Subject: Marking points of interest on blind square with out 4square account
and not using the cumpus for direction.
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 06:18:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jared jared.stoff...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com



I?m considering buying blindsquare and have two questions. First is it
possible to mark points of interest without having a 4square account? If it
is not possible to do this am I correct that you can create a 4square
account with no friends and marked as private so no one can see your
points? Second some of the comments I read stated that the app uses the
cumpus for direction which doesn?t work well if the phone is in a pocket.
Is this still the case or is it possible to use GPS only for direction?




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Re: blindsquare and some frustration and a question.

[Ari Moisio]

Hi Fred

I afraid there is not such aplication. Blindsquare/Foursquare has quite 
good database of different POIs but if none of Foursquare users  haven 
never visited on a business or the business owner don't know or care about 
Foursquare visibility the business  could not be found there.


Probably only way to find out most of the places  around is to have some 
kind of  OCR application to read labels and advertisements around.



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Subject: blindsquare and some frustration and a question.
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 16:14:49 -0500
From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

When I purchased blind square, I was very hopeful that it would tell me what 
was around me, it does, but not really very much. I have also acquired 4square 
and am using that as well, and that is, what I think makes blind square work, 
however I have the apple app, maps, google maps, and several other GPS 
applications, my way lite, where too, and was hoping for a blow by blow 
description of what's around me, however not so. I wanted to add a point of 
Interest to blind square, but that appears to not be possible. I travel up and 
down the roads in my area, some crammed full of radio shacks, grocery stores 
etc and yet most of them are not identified, what do I need to purchase in 
order to enhance my knowledge of what is around me and be able to know where I 
am in relation to not just some of the businesses, but say more than 50% of 
them.

Fred Olver




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Re: BlindSquare and Refreshable Braille Displays

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Afaik both BS version ase similar. The event version is  only restricted 
where and it works.


However  all the information spoken with Aps own tts is also availabe for 
VO output so it should be possible to use BS with braille display but it 
doesn't wor as automatically as with it's onw tts.


I use BS with it's own tts disabled.


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Subject: BlindSquare and Refreshable Braille Displays
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 02:01:27 -0400
From: Ron Miller rockygu...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Hi everyone,
I recently had the chance to use BlindSquare Events, thus getting to use
BlindSquare. I noticed that though many things are spoken automatically,
very few of the spoken messages are displayed in braille. I use braille
extensively in place of speech while traveling, so I found that the version
of BlindSquare used for BSEvents was pretty useless to me. Is the full
version of BlindSquare comparable, or does it provide better braille
support?

Thanks,

/Ron Miller,




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Re: BoxWave keyboard key location

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

With 4S at is fn + option + w. Fn and option are two leftomost keys in the 
bottom row.


Question mark seem to be fn + c.



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Subject: BoxWave keyboard key location
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:25:26 -0400
From: Jessica Diaz PC jldiaz...@gmail.com
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Hi All,
For the life of me, I can't figure out how to get the at sign and also the
question mark on this keyboard case for my iPhone 5. Thanks so much.
Jessica Diaz




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Re: Can anyone read this PDF document?

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Weird. I opened OK with pdftotext in Linux.

 The Biggest Mistake People Make With A Wordpress Site - 95% of people 
make a single mistake with Wordpress that costs them huge losses in their 
business!


In the body text there were however  strange characters between words.


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Subject: Can anyone read this PDF document?
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 13:49:20 -0700
From: Mickey Quenzer mickey.quen...@gmail.com
To: viphone Listserv viphone@googlegroups.com

Hello listers:
I found a document this morning that I'm unable to read in any PDF reader 
that's out there. even VoiceStream which has the new PDF reader and it crashes 
when I'm trying to read this document anybody have any better luck than me?
Here's the link
http://www.arealchange.com/Exclusive%20Special%20Report%C2%A0.pdf


Sent from my iPhone




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Re: Activating app switcher on bluetooth keyboard

[Ari Moisio]

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Try pressing VO-h twice quickly.



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Subject: Activating app switcher on bluetooth keyboard
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 16:25:57 -0400
From: Tarapprakash taraprak...@gmail.com
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Activating app switched on bluetooth keyboard


Dear all. Is there a command to do this on bluetooth keyboard?

Typed with Fleksy



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Re: thoughts on blind square

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Afaik you  odn't need Forusquare to  use Blindsquare.

On the other hand i'll prefer Foursquare when chekcing in venues.



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Subject: Re: thoughts on blind square
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 08:08:29 -0400
From: Tina Murphy tmurph...@nycap.rr.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

I'm not a power user of Blind Square. I do like that when I'm walking
or riding places, it tells me the intersections I'm coming up to.

Depending on how you have your settings, you can hear what businesses
are around you. And it's very easy to toggle those on and off.

I haven't run a search for anything, though I see you can.

Blind Square gets its information from 4-Square, so, if you haven't
already, you will need to download that free app as well.

Hope this helps.
Tina
**
Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action.
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Re: funny and amazing Siri results

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Maybe siri uses information about your current location, ie near a gas 
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Subject: Re: funny and amazing Siri results
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 08:30:04 -0400
From: Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

If you ask for a simple division result how did Siri know you were speaking 
of miliage calculations?

That would be truly amazing.

At 07:51 AM 5/12/2013, you wrote:
You're quite clever to actually ask to calculate as this narrows down the 
possibilities for Siri resulting in more accurate information. Now try 
using the convert functions, and you will be equally amazed.


LS

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:58 AM
Subject: funny and amazing Siri results


Hi,

I decided to see if Siri would do a calculation for me yesterday.  We had 
just filled the tank on our vehicle and I wanted to check the mileage we 
were getting.


I brought up Siri and said calculate 381 divided by 12.5.  When she came 
back she told me the answer but also continued with much more info.  She 
even gave a comparison between European cars and U. S. cars.  She also gave 
several alternative forms of calculation.


My wife and I were both totally amazed and laughing our heads off.

Try it yourself, you'll probably find her results amusing too.

Dan Beaver

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Re: Sending a text to multiple people

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Normal SMS'es do not carry information about other recipients so there is
 no way to answer  for all recipients. Not sure about imessages, never 
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Subject: Re: Sending a text to multiple people
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:35:44 -0600
From: Lelia Struve leliastr...@samobile.net
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If you send a text to many people and someone replies everyone will get it. 
Unless they send a message directly to you. I hope that makes sense

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 23, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Jed Barton j...@jedbarton.com wrote:


Hey guys,

Trying to find out the anser to this before I try it.  If I send a text
message to multiple people, and someone replies back, will everyone get it,
or just me?
Everyone doesn't need to see the replies.

Thanks,
Jed

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Re: GPS program info needed

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

the 'i' in Iphone means internet so i doubpt this will change soon.



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Subject: Re: GPS program info needed
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 21:05:24 -0700
From: Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com
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Correct, BlindSquare, Ariadne, Apple Maps, and every other navigation
software that I know of that announces crossed streets relies on a
cellular data connection to get the maps in realtime. This is
something I hope will change one day.

Grant




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Re: Amazon Basics Bluetooth keyboard question - Was Re: Question to Raul

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

The touch screen behaves similarly regardless of external keyboard. Only 
difference is that there is no  keyboard in the text entering screens by 
default but you can turn it on by the eject key on the keyboard or turnign 
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Subject: Re: Amazon Basics Bluetooth keyboard question - Was Re: Question to
Raul
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:32:55 -0700
From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Raul, I have a question about the Amazon basics Bluetooth keyboard sense I 
ordered mine.  It won't be here until Monday because I chose free super saver 
shipping.  What I'd like to know is, when the keyboard is connected to my 
iPhone, will I still have the screen active as well?  In other words, if I 
touch the screen of my iPhone will I still hear voice over?  I'm sure I'll 
get the hang of the keyboard after a bit but wile I'm learning it it would be 
nice too if I can also open let's say email via the phone and use the 
keyboard just to type in text in an email message.


My reason for buying it was so that I can do email wile traveling.

Thanks for this great little keyboard recommendation.  I really didn't want 
to shell out allot of money for a keyboard that will only get limited use. 
This should fill my needs rather nicely.

- Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:10 PM
Subject: Amazon Basics Bluetooth keyboard question - Was Re: Question to Raul


Hi, I changed the subject line to be a bit more appropriate to the topic 
discussed. In any case, I didn't give those because I said where you could 
get it from. I also believe I compared it to the Apple Keyboard. So, that 
would have given you a second source to compare it to. I've provided the 
link below and it should tell you though. BTW, the cost is currently 
$29.99.


http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Travel-iPhone/dp/B005EOWBKE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1363583326sr=8-1keywords=amazon+basics+bluetooth+keyboard

Hope that helps.


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On 3/16/2013 11:29 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

Raul, when you did your pod cast of the Amazon basics BT keyboard, you
didn't give the dementions.  Can you give me some idea of it's size like
how long, how wide, how thick?
- Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos
r...@raulgallegos.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: Use NaturalReader On Your iPhone And Get Rid Of The Awful
Robot Voice [iOS Tips]



Hi, more on this app. I played with it a little more and saw that in
order for it to read, it uses cloud-based TTS reading. So this means
that which ever document you have loaded in the app, it uses data to
send the document to the net and then the TTS voice reads it to you.
So, this is a bit like streaming. I don't know how much data it uses
up with this method, but I don't see it as being a viable source of
reading text files. I also think it only supports txt files, but I
could be wrong on this point. I would still choose to use Voice Dream
Reader since it offers much more features and it doesn't use a
cloud-based TTS to get you that higher quality voice.

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On 2/26/2013 1:24 PM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:

I just downloaded and ran the natural read out the website talks about.
It actually looks pretty good. I was able to scroll to a certain part of
the text and double tap it. The speech began reading from that point. I
have not yet connected my dropbox account to it or added other things.
So the only experience I have so far is with the sample text. I switched
between two different voices and it all seems fine. I wonder what the
catch is or what the limits are considering that it is free. I notice
that it only has a 3.5 rating in the App Store. Perhaps I should go read
the comments to see what others have said. However based on the initial
impressions this app does look rather promising.

On Feb 26, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com
mailto:our4p...@gmail.com wrote:


Thought this would Interest some folks.


http://cultofmac.com.feedsportal.com/c/33797/f/606249/s/28f4237c/l/0L0Scultofmac0N0C2172550Cuse0Enaturalreader0Eon0Eyour0Eiphone0Eand0Eget0Erid0Eof0Ethe0Eawful0Erobot0Evoice0Eios0Etips0C/story01.htm




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Re: App questions (saddened by some iPhone apps)

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Afaik Blindsquare has  nearby POIs  sorted also by distance.



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Subject: App questions (saddened by some iPhone apps)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 00:32:10 -0400
From: Jordan Norregaard jorda...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

I have a few questions, and some people might think i'm nuts, but
please try to follow my point! I'm looking for an app that tells me
what's near me in a category such as hotels, restaurants, Etc. I'm
looking for an impartial app, like around me used to be. Please note:
around me is no longer this good! I'll base it on the old around me,
hopefully you guys know of a similar app. A year ago, if I wanted to
know what hotels were close to me, I used to use the around me app. It
was completely impartial to hotels.com, travelocity, Kyak, Etc. It
just gave me what was close, nothing else! i got the hotels around me,
based solely on distance, and nothing else! The new around me no loger
does this and deliberately skips hotels i know darn well are close,
because its partnered with hotels.com now. How about restaurants? I
know of a good restaurant called Clean street marina.' (not the
actual name, since i don't wanna give away right where i live!) Its a
good fish/seafood place, some of the fish came right from my local
lake! What if I'm in dallas and want to find a locally owned truly
texas barbecue place (not a chain?) What about a small locally owned
motel/hotel that's distinctly dallas? Is there new apps that are good
at that stuff? Please reply. If you guys just can't follow my point
I'll put it a different way...the sighted person who looks at the
signs of businesses around him/her, seeing what the area is like.
That's exactly what i'm looking for. Please help!

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RE: Square

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Check if the reader has two 'rings' in the connector instead of one. 
Normal headphone plugs  use tip for left channel and ring for right 
channel.   Rest of the connector is ground.   Special connectors use 
second ring for control signals or microphone signal.


Standard splitters will hanle only tip. one ring and the sleeve.

Youn can feel the insulation between tip, ring(s) and sleeve with your 
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Subject: RE: Square
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:43:55 -0400
From: DJ grou...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Hello,

I received the square card reader and used it twice with success.  Before
using it with clients, I did the following and it worked.

1. Open the app and enter the amount of the transaction in the appropriate
field.
2. Enter a description if I want to do so in the description field.
3. Plug the card reader into the headphone jack.
4. Swipe the card.
5. Unplug the card reader.

I discovered that if the card swipe was not successful that I would still be
in the amount and description screen after unplugging the reader, but if
swiping was successful then after unplugging the reader I would
automatically land in the signature screen.  I then turn VO off for signing
the screen, and then turn VO back on to activate the continue button.
Everything from that point is a breeze.

BTW, I found that if I am using my Plantronics bluetooth headphones and I
plug the reader into the headphone jack, I lose VO until I unplug the
reader.  I also noticed that the tip of the plug on the reader is a bit
different from the stereo tip on earbuds or headphones.  If I plug the
reader and earbuds into a splitter, will the reader actually still work
properly?

Thanks,

DJ




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Nicholas Abrahamson
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 7:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Square

Hey DJ.

I use square myself.  It's a great business tool for what I need. My work
around on the sound jack being used by the square is either a splitter, I
plug square into one jack and used to plug my Icom into another.  Now, when
I can I use blue-tooth, or my braille display, which gets round the sound
problem neatly for me.  Hope this helps.

Peace
Nick
'

On Mar 3, 2013, at 23:01, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote:


I am not sure about the accessibility of the app currently. I heard
one time the app itself was at least accessible enough and maybe
completely, but the issue to get around is that the module needed
plugs into the headphone jack. So you have to work around that and I
remember some discussion around that topic, but don't remember for
sure of the entire conclusion. Possibly Bluetooth for the sound output
may work?? I think there may be some work arounds, but not entirely
sure of them or their degree of success. A local coffee shop here uses
it on an IPad mini now days. As the customer I am suppose to make some
selectgions after they slide the card, but I can not make those
selections. It wants me to select if I am leaving them a tip and if I
want a text message receipt. They do not get a tip for holding a cup
under a spout and possibly entering a food order into the register and
I don't care about a text receipt. One day I mentioned that they could
set voiceover to be on triple click of the home button, but they
reminded me about the module plugged into the headphone jack too.

On 3/3/13, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello to the list,

I am thinking about trying Square as a means of collecting payments
from customers.  Has anyone on the list had experience with Square
and if so, would you be willing to explain what you liked or disliked

about it?


Thank you.

DJ


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RE: What's going on with the app Store?

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Hi

I noticed after waiting about 15 minutes the list of updates appeared.



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Re: GPS options for my 3-GS

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Assisted  GPS will use few kilobutes of data to get the GPS almanac. This 
will however only speedup the  start of receiver.  I'm not  sure if it can 
be disabled on  iPHone.


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Subject: Re: GPS options for my 3-GS
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:57:52 -
From: RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

The cellular data is to fetch the map information, not get the gps signal,
that latter isi ndeed free!

Nothing short of a gps app with built in, or downloaded and  hhosted on the
device, will overcome this.  Navigon is the one you buy and hold maps for
without having to constantly  go fetch the next bit.  I hope someone will
correct any inconsistencies in this, but this is the general form.

Rh.
- Original Message -
From: Donald L. Roberts donald.robert...@gmail.com
To: Viphone viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 10:01 PM
Subject: GPS options for my 3-GS


Although this probably borders on heresy for this list, I use my iPhone
3-GS exclusively as a wifi device, no phone service other than Skype.  I
do so because I am not anxious to incur exorbitant charges for data. One
thing which I presently do not have is GPS access.

Something I read from a couple of messages this afternoon suggested that
if I used an external GPS receiver with my 3-GS, I would not incur data
charges.  I may well have misunderstood.  So now for the questions. If I
purchase an external GPS receiver, will this somehow obviate the need
for cellular data?  The only external GPS receiver I have heard of is
something called Bad Elf. Are there better choices? Lastly, if I bite
the bullet and purchase a data plan, is there any sort of GPS receiver
in my 3-GS?

Thanks for any feedback.

Don Roberts




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Re: App Store genius

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

SAme here. Also updates seems to be blanck althougyh there is notation 
about 12 updates  with the appsotre icon.




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Subject: App Store genius
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 22:40:07 -0500
From: James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com
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When I clicked on genius in the App store nothing comes up that anyone else 
have this problem? Nothing is read by voice over in the genius area of the app 
store on the iPhone





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Re: Blind square

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Hi

Blindsquare is developed in Finland and uses both foursquare and 
Openstreetmap data.  It is quite international:-)




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Subject: Re: Blind square
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 09:00:42 -
From: RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com
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Is this another Us thing only? o or is there a good UK version.

Taa, R.
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Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:48 AM
Subject: Re: Blind square


The only issue that i have with it is that if you are using it while in a
vehicle, it can't seem to keep up with you if you are going more than about
30 mph. On a city bus or walking, it probably would be fine.  For all it
does, it's well worth the money.

Andy


-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 6:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blind square

I don't think you'll be disappointed. I think it is fabulous and is
the best publically-available app I have thus encountered in terms of
providing realtime information.

On 3/2/13, Jennie Facer pup...@me.com wrote:

I bought this app today. Am I going to be disappointed?

Thank you so much!

Jenn

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Re: Blind square

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Hi

You can tunr on the shake to announce address feature to get immediate 
info  about your current address.  However you'll get an address even if 
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Subject: Re: Blind square
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 12:22:01 +0100
From: Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

The only objection i've got against blindsquare is that it takes too long to 
report on what street i actually am compared to the Trekker Breeze. It may be 
that the comparison is unfair, but i have the feeling that i could go down a 
street for several blocks and then all of a sudden Blindsquare will tell me 
where i am, and by that time, if i'm lost, i may already have figured out that 
i'm lost and so have maybe turned around, with Trekker, i feel the response is 
more instantaneous assuming the damn thing gets a satelite fix, which could 
take a couple forevers.
/Krister

3 mar 2013 kl. 05:44 skrev Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com:


But BlindSquare provides excellent monitoring (including crossed
streets) in addition to POI discovery and allows you to save your own
POIs and monitor them. It even has its own speech so can work in the
background and while your device is locked. It's the best publically
available app that I've encountered thus far in terms of feeling like
you are holding a Breeze or a BrailleNote GPS system. The best part is
that you can use it in tandem with Navigon or Apple Maps for turn by
turn directions (and, in the latter case, map exploration) while still
hearing Blindsquare's speech to announce your proximity to the POI
along with crossed streets and other info.

Grant

On 3/2/13, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:

Well, Localscope uses Four-Square amongst other POI services. Click on the
link in the message I just sent to read about it. BlindSquare gives a more
blind-friendly interface, but I use Localscope all the time now. It brings
up the most POI I have seen from any app.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 03/03/2013, at 14:59, Jennie Facer pup...@me.com wrote:


I bought this app today. Am I going to be disappointed?

Thank you so much!

Jenn

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Re: Looking for GPS with Greatest Number of POIs

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

If number of POIs is critical i'll suggest  Blindsquare.



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Subject: Looking for GPS with Greatest Number of POIs
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:23:10 -0500
From: Craig Werner coffeeb...@gmail.com
To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com

Greetings to the list.

Iam in search of an app that tracks location and lists points of
interest (POIs) around that location.  I have LookAround from Sendero.
Are there other apps I should be looking at?

Thank you for all help.

Craig




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RE: iMove

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Hi

I'm not very impressed:   the user interface is for some  reason in 
italian  and   because of that i haven't found any way to change it. Or 
there is  no such possibility.


This application can report my currend address as about two dozen other 
applications can too. And as all other aplications if i'm off-road 
location it will report useless address information instead of guidin me 
to the road.


Possibility to make vocal   location markers would be nice if it works but 
everytime when i try to activate a button for recording whole application 
crashes. Or  maybe it is an exit button, i'm not very fluent in italy:-(






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Subject: RE: iMove
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:19:00 -0800
From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Tom,

A very good app for the price? I thought the post from the developer said it
was free.

Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Thom
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iMove

Hi there listers,
I tried out the iMove app this morning on my walk to the supermarket. It's
not a bad app.
It reminds me of a lite version of blind square.
It seems to update your location, every so many yards,  to an value that you
can set in the settings area.
It tells you the address, direction you are moving, direction your phone is
facing, and your speed.
As your walking down the street it will tell you when you are close to a
business if notification is turned on. This worked out very well.
Although it didn't announce cross streets, if you have it update often, it
will change the value to the cross street as you're walking across it.

Here's what I would suggest to improve the app:
1. Have a button to turn the monitoring on and off.
2. . When in look around mode, offer directional cues ( like clock face)  to
the POI's along with the direction.
3. Have it update the distances to the POI's as you move around.

It's a very good app for the price.
Thanks to the developer to come up with such a nice product for free.

I didn't try the voice recording feature yet, so I can't comment on it.



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Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iMove


Hi Andy,

I haven't tried it out yet, but one difference that comes to mind is that
this seems to do much the same as Sendero LookAround, but it's free. Because
of this I will definitely give it a try to see if it may do something
differently or better and, if not, well then I'll delete it again. It's free
after all, so you can't lose a Dollar or 2 if you don't have to spend it in
the first place. I also don't know what surround me type apps your gaggle
contains so if you have a chance to try it let us know how it compares to
what you are using.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iMove

How does this differ from the gaggle of what's around me type apps?  I have
a folder full of them.

Andy


-Original Message-
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iMove

Thanks for this, I've just downloaded it, and it looks interesting. Cheers
Alex

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Sent: 14 February 2013 09:00
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iMove

dear all,
We are pleased announce you that the app iMove is now available in English
for free on the AppStore. iMove supports independent mobility of blind and
visually impaired people. With iMove you can:
- know the address where you are;
- know the points of interest around you (e.g., pubs, banks, schools);
- record speech notes in the place where you are. A speech note is played
back whenever you are near the place where you recorded it;
- receive speech messages as notifications, even while you are using another
application.

You can download iMove for free at this address:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/imove/id593874954

iMove was developed by EveryWare Technologies on behalf of Retina Italia
Onlus.

Suggestions and comments are welcome at accessibil...@ew-tech.it

cheers

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Re: iPhone5 getting when using maps

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Yes. The battery also runs out quickly so for a longer journey you'll need 
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Subject: iPhone5 getting when using maps
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:18:09 +1100
From: Agent086b agent0...@bigpond.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Hello all, had my iPhone5 for a couple of days. We just went out in the car so 
I thought I would give Maps a go. I must say the map program worked well around 
my town. The Only thing I noticed was the phone got very hot. Is this normal 
when using maps?
Thanks for any pointers.
Max.




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Re: gps with alarm?

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

If you  have the destination in the favourites open favoirite manager, 
select the desired favourite and open it, select options and  selet the 
track button.  Select the home tab and look for tracked location and leave 
focus on it. Now the phone will announce periodically your distance and 
direction to the tracked favourite.


With blindsquare you can mark  location as tracked too.

Both will also alert when you're at the destination but this alert is too 
late if you have to leave out at a bus stop.





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Subject: gps with alarm?
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 21:10:45 +1100
From: adam morris li...@damorris.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Hi all,

looking to see if there are any systems that have an alarm to let you know 
when you are nearing a location like a bus stop that you have been to before?


I thought ariadne gps would alarm you but I can't find out how?

If anyone knows of apps that can do this please write.





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RE: Blindsquare: my favourite iOS navigation app thus far

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Yes. With BS you get both distance and direction to the venues. You can 
also save your own  places to search for later.


BS will also tell about nearby street crossings and estimated addresses.



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 Mary Ellen Sanchez kirjoitti Hello I had a question about blind square. My 
questins is this.  if I have

the four square installed would blind square be worth getting or should I
just use the four square app only?

-Original Message-
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Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:10 AM
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Subject: Re: Blindsquare: my favourite iOS navigation app thus far

Can you create points of interest? I. e. your home, job site?

Andy


-Original Message-
From: Don Breda
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blindsquare: my favourite iOS navigation app thus far

Truthfully I suggest just getting outside and walking around your
neighborhood with the app running.  It will do the work for you.

It will start telling you whats nearby.

After a while you can cutsomize it by letting it know things your not
interested in hearing about just buy turning the category on or off, simple
toggles.

The other setting you need to play with after a bit is the distance setting.
This says ow many feet you want to look ahead.  Shortening the distance it
looks ahead can help sometimes when you just want to know what is close to
you.

Another setting is the way it tells you information about direction.

You can decide if you want the area described as a clock face, or compass
directions or where things are in degrees.

Don't worry abou tthis just run it and after a bit you will decide how you
want things set.

Don


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Re: Blindsquare: my favourite iOS navigation app thus far

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

It should be possible within BS although i use FS because it's FB 
connection.


Look for settings and shake phone to check or something similar.



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 Andy Baracco kirjoitti I think you need 4square if you want to check in on 4square from Blind 

Square.

Andy


-Original Message- From: Don Breda
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 5:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blindsquare: my favourite iOS navigation app thus far

I have it on my phone but frankly I don't think you actually need it.
Not 100% sure.

Waiting until it gets a bit warmer is a very good idea since its hard to
be positive about anything when your freezing!


Don





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Re: Blindsquare: my favourite iOS navigation app thus far

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

There is a setting to make BS tell your current address when  you shake 
the phone.


Note that BS as all other IOS navigation apps i have tested so far will 
happily tell your current address even if you are hundreds of meters away 
from nearest road.



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 Krister Ekstrom kirjoitti Hi,

Just to balance it all up a bit i will now come with my not so positive opinion 
of this app. I actually tried it here in a very small town in Sweden. I must 
say that i'm rather dissapointed actually. If i compare it to trekker, 
something you maybe shouldn't do, i'll have to say that the Trekker is much 
speedier when delivering info about where you are after having turned into a 
street. It took a long time, a minute or more for Blindsquare to tell me what 
street i was on. Maybe it's the openmap thingy, something i don't like at all, 
or maybe it's user error or something but that's what i have experienced. 
Furthermore at times Blindsquare gets very, very verbose and starts speaking of 
shops and fasilities  that aren't even close to where i am, sometimes even 
behind me, i don't understand the need for that. I can in theory see and 
appreciate its goods, but we're just not there yet, if we ever get there. Now 
having said all this, it could be user error, that is me not knowing  every 
aspect of how this program is operated, in which case i would be willing to 
learn.
/Krister

20 jan 2013 kl. 15:21 skrev Don Breda don.br...@gmail.com:


I couldn't help but chime  in here to further praise BlindSquare.

I have used every gps out there even trekker for packmate which never
saw the light of day.

BlindSquare is unbelievable!  What it really is is not so much a gps
program like navigon but really the best! pair of eyes bar none a blind
person can have.

After all that is what we really miss most of the time what stores are
we passing, what street are we approaching etc.

I live in New York city, in the heart of midtown manhattan  and let me
tell you I have found out about more things in my neighborhood that I
never knew were there with Blindsquare then all the gps apps, restaurant
apps restaurant menu apps etc. put together.

Its truly amazing!

I only wish I had made the time to nominate it for the appleviz awards
for 2012 because unfortunately this app I feel has been very much
overlooked.  I tended to overlook it as well when it first came out and
I truly regret that.

While I am no fan of 4square, the concept of using things like 4square
to provide info is a great! one.

Companies like Sendero, navigon mosionX pay big fees to companies like
navtech for POI data and so many times that data is quite inaccurate
very outdated and to say the least incomplete.

The approach BlindSquare takes to POI info makes so much sense because
the information  is always being updated by people like you and I
visiting these places.

Just my  opinion but if you have been on the fence take a look at this
app, give it the attention it deserves and I can't imagine you will
regret it.

Don


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Re: creating folders on my iPhone for my apps

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

To create a folder move an app  into another app. This will create a new 
folder witth default name witch you can edit later and both apps inside 
the folder.


To move an ap tap it few times  and then hold until you hear a rising 
pitch. Now you can drag the app with your finger.To initiate the move 
is very timing sensitive and hit and miss at best.




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I would like to create some specific folders on my iPhone 4 s for certain apps. 
 I would like to have a news folder...  Can anyone tell me how to 
accomplish this?  I have looked in the iPhone manual, but, can't seem to find 
it.  If it is there, if you give me a reference point, I can look it up, and 
you all won't have to do all of this writing.
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Re: Apple Bluetooth Keyboard

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Press up and down arrows simultaneously.

There were couple of days ago link to a good tutorial for VO gestores and 
keyboard commands.




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 Noe Villeda kirjoitti Hello Listers,


I just purchased the Apple bluetooth keyboard to use with my iPhone 4.
I have it paired with the phone and I can scroll through the choices, such
as in contacts, how do I select a specific contact? I enter and I get no
response, nor is the contact selected.
I was trying to find a user's manual for the keyboard online, but haven't
had much luck finding it.

I'd appreciate any help.

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Re: Basic wireless blue tooth keyboard and the IPhone-4s.

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

You need only the phone and keyboard. It's a bit tricky because you have 
to enter the PIN code that phone will display and there is not much time 
to do that. Prepare  by looking for number keys and enter key for that.


You also have to put your keyboad into pairing mode. Usually this  is done 
by pressing the power key for  few seconds.


On the other hand if you visit in the Apple shop pairing the keyboard is 
not an issue. I have made it couple of times without sighted assistance 
and  it was  a bit frustrating experience.



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 liz and sammie kirjoitti I bought a basic blue tooth wireless keyboard to use with my phone.  I'm 
planning to take it to the ATT store to get help hooking it up; however, does 
the phone need to be hooked up to my computer and to ITunes in order to hook 
up the wireless keyboard to the phone?  I hope I am making sense.

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Re: Bluetooth mini keyboard for IPhone 4s with international preferably swedish layout?

[Ari Moisio]

Hi not necessarily.  I tested with my Apple bt keyboard and i can chnge 
the layout in the phone's settings and the keyborad will behave according 
any given locality.




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 heather albright kirjoitti It sounds like you will have to get a european keyboard!  My friend wanted 
arabic so they had to buy an arabic keyboard from overseas!  Heather 



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RE: Blind Square and 4square

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Hi
There is no turn-by-turn instructions, only direction and distance to the 
destination point but you can launch some other navigation application 
from BS  for pedestrian route calculation.




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 Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kirjoitti Are there good walking directions?


-Original Message-
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Hi

Blindsquare can tell both direction and distance to the venues. It can
also tell your  current address and and nearby crossings. You can also
store  your own locations and find them later.

BS has talking compass too.







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Re: 6.1 ios and bluetooth keyboard

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

you cna change the behavior of  up/down arrows by pressing simultaneously 
up+left or up+right -  they are same as turning the rotor in the screen.


Here are some lists for bt commands
http://iphoneaccess.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/voice-over-bluetooth-keyboard-commands/
http://decadentwaste.net/2011/03/navigate-using-a-bluetooth-keyboard-on-your-ios-device/
http://www.ijailbreak.com/ipad/bluetooth-keyboard-shortcuts-apple-ipad/



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 judyw kirjoitti BlankI just upgraded my phone from os 5 to 6.1.


I have the Apple bluetooth board that is full sized light metal with a sort of 
round bar which holds the batteries. In 5 I could use the down arrow key and go 
through a text message letter by letter. Since the upgrade, I just get a 
message saying no heading found. Does someone know some of the basic review 
commands for text messages?

Also, where can I find a command summary for voiceOver and bluetooth 
keyboards?? Any help would be appreciated.

Judy





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Re: Blind Square and 4square

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

Blindsquare can tell both direction and distance to the venues. It can 
also tell your  current address and and nearby crossings. You can also 
store  your own locations and find them later.


BS has talking compass too.




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 Andy Baracco kirjoitti I downloaded both the Blind Square and 4square  apps. 
What is the difference, except for the price?


Andy




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Re: Battery Charging Question

[Ari Moisio]

Hello

Don't worry, electronics will take care not to overcharge  the battery.

Not sure why phone will report both 100 % capacity and charging at the 
same time; maybe it is scharging with low current to prevent battery from 
heating.



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 Arnold Schmidt kirjoitti Right now, my IPhone 5 says 100 percent battery 
power, but it still says charging.  Occasionally, it will say charged, and once it 
said charged, on AC power. But most of the time, it says charging, which would 
make me wonder if it is still trying to charge a full battery.   .  Should I worry 
about overcharging it?  I understand that overcharging a battery significantly 
lessens its life.


Thanks for any opinions.

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Wanted: good gps application

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

I'm lookin  for good gps application. I have tested so far Navigon, 
Tomtom, Blindsquare, Aroundme, Sendero lookaround, IOS 6 maps, Ariadne, 
MyWay Classic and few  aplications made only for  finnish market.

I have found Blindsquare best so far.

Especially i would be interested about accessible application that will 
use OpenStreetMap   data or application that will allow user to import POI 
data in some format.


Another nice feature would be justo to point phone to certain direction 
and it will tell details on that direction: crossings, addresses or POIs 
according user preferences.



Any tips welcome.

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Re: converting contacts from symbian to iPhone 5

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

I sent them as attachments  to iphone's mail application and opened one by 
one.


HTH



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 E.Vigil kirjoitti Hello,


I am new to the list.  I have a question.  I have been looking high and low
for a method by which I can convert contacts from a Nokia N86 .VCF and
import it into an iPhone 5.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thank
you.


Edward






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Introduction

[Ari Moisio]

Hello


A short introduction: my name is  Ari moisio, i'm from Finland (you know 
Angry Birds:-) and  i  have currently iPhone 4S.


My main interest is differrent gps and navigational apps, both for Symbian 
and IOS platforms and these are the main reason why i bought the iPHone.


I use mainly Linux  both for work and leisure and Windows when i have to. 
No Mac yet gbut i'm interested about it. Unfortunately money doesn't grow 
on trees as they say here in Finland:-)





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Re: IOS 6.01 Keyboard Problem

[Ari Moisio]

Hello

I have a biti different problems with bt keyboard: occasionally i cannot 
type on password fields.  Normal text fieldss works nomally but on 
passwords fields nothing happens whn i try to type on a bt keyboard. 
Touchscreen keyboard works normally with passords too.




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