Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Angie Nutt]

In the main, FaceID has worked better for me than TouchID but neither 100 per 
cent. I also find that with faceID I have to hold the phone further away than 
I’d like if I’m on a bus. In that case, when it worked, TouchID was better. On 
balance though, prefer faceID.

All the best
Angie


> On 4 Oct 2021, at 20:38, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Well, I have been using Face ID for close to a year. I can state one fat 
> categorically. Touch ID worked essentially 100% of the time for me. Face ID 
> does not. It works the majority of the time, but certainly not always. Wow I 
> can live with Face ID, I do hope that Apple comes out with a touch ID option. 
> Even if it’s not an actual button, I would still like to see them implement 
> that. If they don’t, I can live with it, however.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Johna Gravitt > > wrote:
>> 
>> Just so I'm clear, I'm by no means saying that just because I miss the home 
>> button doesn't mean I couldn't operate a phone without one, I just like it, 
>> that's all.  I have not used a phone with face ID yet, as I have the latest 
>> SE 
>> Version that I upgraded to from my 8.  With that being said, I do like the 
>> touch ID and was just posing the question if face ID is harder to use for a 
>> person who's blind.  I ask because the nature of my eye conditions makes my 
>> eyes move on their own and I was wondering if that'd cause a problem with 
>> facial recognition.
>> I would however miss not being able to just touch my phone to unlock it and 
>> always having to pick it up and put it in front of my face to unlock it.
>> Johna
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
>> Alex Stone
>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:33 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though 
>> the lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button 
>>> to be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For 
>>> me it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
>>> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
>>> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an 
>>> app and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the 
>>> app switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken 
>>> care of by triple pressing the side button.
>>> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
>>> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
>>> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of 
>>> a swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
>>> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, 
>>> Face Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear 
>>> gloves or when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only 
>>> a very small percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power 
>>> tools, but I know a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do 
>>> a lot of manual work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times 
>>> like for my brother who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a 
>>> mechanic and either wears gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. 
>>> I somehow doubt Apple will once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if 
>>> they can implement a Touch Id home button like on some iPads or even better 
>>> under-glass Touch Id then people have the best of both worlds. I think a 
>>> phone which you drag around everywhere would be better with under-glass 
>>> Touch Id because I could see where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> >> > On Behalf Of 
>>> Johna Gravitt
>>> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>>> 
>>> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home 
>>> button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO 
>>> users?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> >> > On Behalf Of 
>>> Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah I do,

I've never been able to get it to work properly,

I'm going to update / grade my watch in a week or so when the series 7 comes 
out,

 Then I'll try it again.

I probably missed a step in the setup process.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2021 9:45 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Simon, thought you had an Apple Watch? You can set it up so your iPhone unlocks 
with a mask on as long as you are wearing your Apple Watch. Only time this 
doesn't work is to authenticate an Apple Pay purchase, but then again you could 
simply use the watch in the first place for the purchase and then as long as 
your watch is on your wrist and unlocked it will work.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: October 4, 2021 11:38 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Yeah I couldn't go back to touch id,

The face id of my 11 pro max is great and just as quick if not quicker for me 
than touch,

Unless I'm wearing a mask.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2021 6:36 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

And for me it's the opposite, Face Id is more reliable. Les, did you turn off 
attention?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: October 4, 2021 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Well, I have been using Face ID for close to a year. I can state one fat 
categorically. Touch ID worked essentially 100% of the time for me. Face ID 
does not. It works the majority of the time, but certainly not always. Wow I 
can live with Face ID, I do hope that Apple comes out with a touch ID option. 
Even if it’s not an actual button, I would still like to see them implement 
that. If they don’t, I can live with it, however.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Johna Gravitt  wrote:
> 
> Just so I'm clear, I'm by no means saying that just because I miss 
> the home button doesn't mean I couldn't operate a phone without one, I just 
> like it, that's all.  I have not used a phone with face ID yet, as I have the 
> latest SE Version that I upgraded to from my 8.  With that being said, I do 
> like the touch ID and was just posing the question if face ID is harder to 
> use for a person who's blind.  I ask because the nature of my eye conditions 
> makes my eyes move on their own and I was wondering if that'd cause a problem 
> with facial recognition.
> I would however miss not being able to just touch my phone to unlock it and 
> always having to pick it up and put it in front of my face to unlock it.
> Johna
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the 
> lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button 
>> to be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For 
>> me it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
>> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
>> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app 
>> and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app 
>> switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care 
>> of by triple pressing the side button.
>> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
>> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
>> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of 
>> a swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
>> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, 
>> Face Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves 
>> or when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very 
>> small percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but 
>> I know a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of 
>> manual work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my 
>> brother who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either 
>> wears gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple 
>> will once again replace Face Id with Touch 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Carolyn]

I use face ID and have for almost two years, totally blind, it works OK. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 1:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

And for me it's the opposite, Face Id is more reliable. Les, did you turn off 
attention?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: October 4, 2021 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Well, I have been using Face ID for close to a year. I can state one fat 
categorically. Touch ID worked essentially 100% of the time for me. Face ID 
does not. It works the majority of the time, but certainly not always. Wow I 
can live with Face ID, I do hope that Apple comes out with a touch ID option. 
Even if it’s not an actual button, I would still like to see them implement 
that. If they don’t, I can live with it, however.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Johna Gravitt  wrote:
> 
> Just so I'm clear, I'm by no means saying that just because I miss 
> the home button doesn't mean I couldn't operate a phone without one, I just 
> like it, that's all.  I have not used a phone with face ID yet, as I have the 
> latest SE Version that I upgraded to from my 8.  With that being said, I do 
> like the touch ID and was just posing the question if face ID is harder to 
> use for a person who's blind.  I ask because the nature of my eye conditions 
> makes my eyes move on their own and I was wondering if that'd cause a problem 
> with facial recognition.
> I would however miss not being able to just touch my phone to unlock it and 
> always having to pick it up and put it in front of my face to unlock it.
> Johna
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the 
> lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button 
>> to be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For 
>> me it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
>> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
>> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app 
>> and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app 
>> switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care 
>> of by triple pressing the side button.
>> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
>> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
>> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of 
>> a swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
>> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, 
>> Face Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves 
>> or when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very 
>> small percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but 
>> I know a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of 
>> manual work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my 
>> brother who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either 
>> wears gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple 
>> will once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a 
>> Touch Id home button like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id 
>> then people have the best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag 
>> around everywhere would be better with under-glass Touch Id because I could 
>> see where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Johna Gravitt
>> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home 
>> button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I 
>> had the option to have 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Carolyn]

I think/hope that too about touch and face ID. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 8:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

I think touch id and face id will co exist on a phone. Apple will make it 
happen.

On 10/4/21, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> Yeah
>
> I saw this a week or so back,
>
> I was surprised that they came out with it so soon after the 13 release.
>
> I'm still more interested in the folding iphone than the 14 or 15
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2021 7:18 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>
> I wouldn't say this although I just read an article which summarized 
> some of the recently leaked rumours about the iPhone 14 by John 
> Prosser and Ming-Chi Kuo who have a record of accurately predicting a 
> lot of future features and there is no word about touch Id until the iPhone 
> 15.
> The main thing with the iPhone 14 is a very different design which 
> means no more camera bump because the phone would be slightly thicker, 
> there would be no more notch in front and a Titanium frame with glass 
> front and back and of course the new 48 Megapixel camera which is 4 
> times the pixels of even the iPhone 13 Pro camera. Here is one article 
> with what we can look forward to over the next 3 years:
>
> Top Apple insider leaks first iPhone 15 details and foldable iPhone 
> release timing
>
> The great thing about iPhone rumors is that they never end. Case in point:
> we’re not even a week removed from Apple introducing the iPhone 13 and 
> we’re already starting to see rumors surrounding the iPhone 14 and 
> iPhone 15. Just last week, for example, noted leaker Jon Prosser 
> revealed that Face ID sensors on the iPhone 14 will be located below 
> the display. Additionally, Prosser says there will be a punch-hole selfie 
> camera.
> Prosser has something of a hit-and-miss track record with respect to 
> Apple rumors. With that in mind, it’s probably wise to take the report 
> with a grain of salt. Ming-Chi Kuo, however, is without question the 
> top Apple analyst working today. Kuo typically can glean information 
> about Apple’s product roadmap years in advance. With that said, Kuo 
> recently issued a doozy of an investor report with details surrounding 
> the iPhone 15 and the mythical foldable iPhone.
>
> iPhone 15 features
> Apple’s iPhone 15 is admittedly two years away, but it’s no secret 
> that Apple prepares its feature-set years ahead of time. To that end, 
> Kuo — via AppleInsider — writes that the iPhone 15 will feature a 
> Touch ID sensor underneath the display. We’ve seen several credible 
> reports over the past few months pointing to Apple’s interest in 
> bringing back Touch ID. In fact, Apple has filed several patents 
> pertaining to under-display fingerprint sensor technologies. There’s 
> also a chance Apple will add a Touch ID sensor to the iPhone 15 power button.
> Assuming that an iPhone with Touch ID is in the pipeline, it remains 
> to be seen if Apple plans to eliminate Face ID or have the two 
> authentication schemes coexist.
>
> Foldable iPhone
> Beyond the 2023 iPhone 15, Kuo writes that a foldable iPhone will 
> arrive in 2024. That means we can likely look forward to an iPhone 
> Fold release date in September 2024, if Kuo is correct. We’ve seen 
> several reports pointing to Apple’s interest in a foldable iPhone in 
> recent years. The success Samsung has had with their foldable 
> smartphones demonstrates that there is a market for such a device. 
> According to Kuo, a foldable iPhone will likely feature an 8-inch display 
> with a “3,200 x 1,800-pixel resolution.”
> A few months ago, Prosser leaked that Apple’s foldable iPhone will 
> boast “two separate display panels on a hinge” and “round, stainless steel 
> edges.”
> Prosser’s leak describes an iPhone similar in design aesthetic to the 
> iPhone 11, but that may have changed given the new flatter-edge design 
> of the iPhone 12. Prosser also said that the foldable iPhone will not 
> include a notch. Instead,  it will have a “tiny forehead” right above 
> the display to house Face ID and other sensors.
> “The memes are funny,” Prosser says, “but it doesn’t look like they 
> just stuck two phones together. Even though they’re two separate 
> panels, when the displays are extended, it looks fairly continuous and 
> seamless.”
> Kuo says that Apple has experienced a few technical hurdles with both 
> the iPhone 15 and the foldable iPhone.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ed Worrell
> Sent: October 4, 2021 7:22 AM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>
> I really don’t think Apple 

Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Les Kriegler]

Yes, attention settings are off. Thanks for the suggestion.
Les

> On Oct 5, 2021, at 1:35 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> And for me it's the opposite, Face Id is more reliable. Les, did you turn off 
> attention?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
> Kriegler
> Sent: October 4, 2021 12:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Well, I have been using Face ID for close to a year. I can state one fat 
> categorically. Touch ID worked essentially 100% of the time for me. Face ID 
> does not. It works the majority of the time, but certainly not always. Wow I 
> can live with Face ID, I do hope that Apple comes out with a touch ID option. 
> Even if it’s not an actual button, I would still like to see them implement 
> that. If they don’t, I can live with it, however.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Johna Gravitt  wrote:
>> 
>> Just so I'm clear, I'm by no means saying that just because I miss 
>> the home button doesn't mean I couldn't operate a phone without one, I just 
>> like it, that's all.  I have not used a phone with face ID yet, as I have 
>> the latest SE Version that I upgraded to from my 8.  With that being said, I 
>> do like the touch ID and was just posing the question if face ID is harder 
>> to use for a person who's blind.  I ask because the nature of my eye 
>> conditions makes my eyes move on their own and I was wondering if that'd 
>> cause a problem with facial recognition.
>> I would however miss not being able to just touch my phone to unlock it and 
>> always having to pick it up and put it in front of my face to unlock it.
>> Johna
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Alex Stone
>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:33 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though 
>> the lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button 
>>> to be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For 
>>> me it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
>>> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
>>> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an 
>>> app and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the 
>>> app switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken 
>>> care of by triple pressing the side button.
>>> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
>>> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
>>> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of 
>>> a swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
>>> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, 
>>> Face Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear 
>>> gloves or when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only 
>>> a very small percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power 
>>> tools, but I know a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do 
>>> a lot of manual work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times 
>>> like for my brother who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a 
>>> mechanic and either wears gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. 
>>> I somehow doubt Apple will once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if 
>>> they can implement a Touch Id home button like on some iPads or even better 
>>> under-glass Touch Id then people have the best of both worlds. I think a 
>>> phone which you drag around everywhere would be better with under-glass 
>>> Touch Id because I could see where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Johna Gravitt
>>> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>>> 
>>> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home 
>>> button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO 
>>> users?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>>> 
>>> Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I 
>>> had the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that 
>>> offered me touch ID. I don't know 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Simon, thought you had an Apple Watch? You can set it up so your iPhone unlocks 
with a mask on as long as you are wearing your Apple Watch. Only time this 
doesn't work is to authenticate an Apple Pay purchase, but then again you could 
simply use the watch in the first place for the purchase and then as long as 
your watch is on your wrist and unlocked it will work.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: October 4, 2021 11:38 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Yeah I couldn't go back to touch id,

The face id of my 11 pro max is great and just as quick if not quicker for me 
than touch,

Unless I'm wearing a mask.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2021 6:36 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

And for me it's the opposite, Face Id is more reliable. Les, did you turn off 
attention?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: October 4, 2021 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Well, I have been using Face ID for close to a year. I can state one fat 
categorically. Touch ID worked essentially 100% of the time for me. Face ID 
does not. It works the majority of the time, but certainly not always. Wow I 
can live with Face ID, I do hope that Apple comes out with a touch ID option. 
Even if it’s not an actual button, I would still like to see them implement 
that. If they don’t, I can live with it, however.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Johna Gravitt  wrote:
> 
> Just so I'm clear, I'm by no means saying that just because I miss 
> the home button doesn't mean I couldn't operate a phone without one, I just 
> like it, that's all.  I have not used a phone with face ID yet, as I have the 
> latest SE Version that I upgraded to from my 8.  With that being said, I do 
> like the touch ID and was just posing the question if face ID is harder to 
> use for a person who's blind.  I ask because the nature of my eye conditions 
> makes my eyes move on their own and I was wondering if that'd cause a problem 
> with facial recognition.
> I would however miss not being able to just touch my phone to unlock it and 
> always having to pick it up and put it in front of my face to unlock it.
> Johna
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the 
> lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button 
>> to be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For 
>> me it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
>> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
>> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app 
>> and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app 
>> switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care 
>> of by triple pressing the side button.
>> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
>> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
>> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of 
>> a swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
>> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, 
>> Face Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves 
>> or when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very 
>> small percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but 
>> I know a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of 
>> manual work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my 
>> brother who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either 
>> wears gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple 
>> will once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a 
>> Touch Id home button like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id 
>> then people have the best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag 
>> around everywhere would be better with under-glass Touch Id because I could 
>> see where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Johna Gravitt
>> Sent: 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[chrisjudge1967]

I have face id working flawlessly. Even the mask isn't an issue as I have the 
apple watch, and have it set to unlock my phone in the event it can't recognize 
my face.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: October 5, 2021 3:38 AM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Yeah I couldn't go back to touch id,

The face id of my 11 pro max is great and just as quick if not quicker for me 
than touch,

Unless I'm wearing a mask.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2021 6:36 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

And for me it's the opposite, Face Id is more reliable. Les, did you turn off 
attention?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: October 4, 2021 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Well, I have been using Face ID for close to a year. I can state one fat 
categorically. Touch ID worked essentially 100% of the time for me. Face ID 
does not. It works the majority of the time, but certainly not always. Wow I 
can live with Face ID, I do hope that Apple comes out with a touch ID option. 
Even if it’s not an actual button, I would still like to see them implement 
that. If they don’t, I can live with it, however.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Johna Gravitt  wrote:
> 
> Just so I'm clear, I'm by no means saying that just because I miss 
> the home button doesn't mean I couldn't operate a phone without one, I just 
> like it, that's all.  I have not used a phone with face ID yet, as I have the 
> latest SE Version that I upgraded to from my 8.  With that being said, I do 
> like the touch ID and was just posing the question if face ID is harder to 
> use for a person who's blind.  I ask because the nature of my eye conditions 
> makes my eyes move on their own and I was wondering if that'd cause a problem 
> with facial recognition.
> I would however miss not being able to just touch my phone to unlock it and 
> always having to pick it up and put it in front of my face to unlock it.
> Johna
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the 
> lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button 
>> to be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For 
>> me it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
>> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
>> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app 
>> and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app 
>> switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care 
>> of by triple pressing the side button.
>> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
>> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
>> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of 
>> a swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
>> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, 
>> Face Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves 
>> or when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very 
>> small percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but 
>> I know a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of 
>> manual work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my 
>> brother who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either 
>> wears gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple 
>> will once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a 
>> Touch Id home button like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id 
>> then people have the best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag 
>> around everywhere would be better with under-glass Touch Id because I could 
>> see where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Johna Gravitt
>> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah I couldn't go back to touch id,

The face id of my 11 pro max is great and just as quick if not quicker for me 
than touch,

Unless I'm wearing a mask.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2021 6:36 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

And for me it's the opposite, Face Id is more reliable. Les, did you turn off 
attention?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: October 4, 2021 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Well, I have been using Face ID for close to a year. I can state one fat 
categorically. Touch ID worked essentially 100% of the time for me. Face ID 
does not. It works the majority of the time, but certainly not always. Wow I 
can live with Face ID, I do hope that Apple comes out with a touch ID option. 
Even if it’s not an actual button, I would still like to see them implement 
that. If they don’t, I can live with it, however.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Johna Gravitt  wrote:
> 
> Just so I'm clear, I'm by no means saying that just because I miss 
> the home button doesn't mean I couldn't operate a phone without one, I just 
> like it, that's all.  I have not used a phone with face ID yet, as I have the 
> latest SE Version that I upgraded to from my 8.  With that being said, I do 
> like the touch ID and was just posing the question if face ID is harder to 
> use for a person who's blind.  I ask because the nature of my eye conditions 
> makes my eyes move on their own and I was wondering if that'd cause a problem 
> with facial recognition.
> I would however miss not being able to just touch my phone to unlock it and 
> always having to pick it up and put it in front of my face to unlock it.
> Johna
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the 
> lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button 
>> to be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For 
>> me it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
>> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
>> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app 
>> and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app 
>> switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care 
>> of by triple pressing the side button.
>> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
>> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
>> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of 
>> a swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
>> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, 
>> Face Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves 
>> or when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very 
>> small percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but 
>> I know a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of 
>> manual work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my 
>> brother who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either 
>> wears gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple 
>> will once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a 
>> Touch Id home button like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id 
>> then people have the best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag 
>> around everywhere would be better with under-glass Touch Id because I could 
>> see where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Johna Gravitt
>> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home 
>> button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And for me it's the opposite, Face Id is more reliable. Les, did you turn off 
attention?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: October 4, 2021 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Well, I have been using Face ID for close to a year. I can state one fat 
categorically. Touch ID worked essentially 100% of the time for me. Face ID 
does not. It works the majority of the time, but certainly not always. Wow I 
can live with Face ID, I do hope that Apple comes out with a touch ID option. 
Even if it’s not an actual button, I would still like to see them implement 
that. If they don’t, I can live with it, however.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Johna Gravitt  wrote:
> 
> Just so I'm clear, I'm by no means saying that just because I miss 
> the home button doesn't mean I couldn't operate a phone without one, I just 
> like it, that's all.  I have not used a phone with face ID yet, as I have the 
> latest SE Version that I upgraded to from my 8.  With that being said, I do 
> like the touch ID and was just posing the question if face ID is harder to 
> use for a person who's blind.  I ask because the nature of my eye conditions 
> makes my eyes move on their own and I was wondering if that'd cause a problem 
> with facial recognition.
> I would however miss not being able to just touch my phone to unlock it and 
> always having to pick it up and put it in front of my face to unlock it.
> Johna
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the 
> lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button 
>> to be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For 
>> me it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
>> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
>> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app 
>> and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app 
>> switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care 
>> of by triple pressing the side button.
>> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
>> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
>> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of 
>> a swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
>> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, 
>> Face Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves 
>> or when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very 
>> small percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but 
>> I know a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of 
>> manual work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my 
>> brother who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either 
>> wears gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple 
>> will once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a 
>> Touch Id home button like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id 
>> then people have the best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag 
>> around everywhere would be better with under-glass Touch Id because I could 
>> see where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Johna Gravitt
>> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home 
>> button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I 
>> had the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that 
>> offered me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple 
>> to consider this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be 
>> a little skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include 
>> touch ID. Sure, it may be because 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It wouldn't be especially if you turn off attention mode and since you haven't 
used an iPhone without a home button I would say reserve your judgement you 
might be surprised. I find Face Id is much more reliable than Touch Id.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Johna 
Gravitt
Sent: October 4, 2021 12:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Just so I'm clear, I'm by no means saying that just because I miss the home 
button doesn't mean I couldn't operate a phone without one, I just like it, 
that's all.  I have not used a phone with face ID yet, as I have the latest SE 
Version that I upgraded to from my 8.  With that being said, I do like the 
touch ID and was just posing the question if face ID is harder to use for a 
person who's blind.  I ask because the nature of my eye conditions makes my 
eyes move on their own and I was wondering if that'd cause a problem with 
facial recognition.
I would however miss not being able to just touch my phone to unlock it and 
always having to pick it up and put it in front of my face to unlock it.
Johna
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the 
lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button to 
> be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For me 
> it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app 
> and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app 
> switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care 
> of by triple pressing the side button.
> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of a 
> swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, Face 
> Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves or 
> when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very small 
> percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but I know 
> a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of manual 
> work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my brother 
> who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either wears 
> gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple will 
> once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a Touch Id 
> home button like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id then 
> people have the best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag around 
> everywhere would be better with under-glass Touch Id because I could see 
> where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Johna Gravitt
> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home 
> button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I 
> had the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that 
> offered me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple to 
> consider this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be a 
> little skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include touch 
> ID. Sure, it may be because they think face ID is more secure, but they were 
> also able to get rid of the home button and a finger print scanner. It'll be 
> interesting to see if they consider in screen touch ID in the future.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ed Worrell
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 9:22 AM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the 

Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[lenron brown]

I think touch id and face id will co exist on a phone. Apple will make
it happen.

On 10/4/21, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> Yeah
>
> I saw this a week or so back,
>
> I was surprised that they came out with it so soon after the 13 release.
>
> I'm still more interested in the folding iphone than the 14 or 15
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2021 7:18 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>
> I wouldn't say this although I just read an article which summarized some of
> the recently leaked rumours about the iPhone 14 by John Prosser and Ming-Chi
> Kuo who have a record of accurately predicting a lot of future features and
> there is no word about touch Id until the iPhone 15.
> The main thing with the iPhone 14 is a very different design which means no
> more camera bump because the phone would be slightly thicker, there would be
> no more notch in front and a Titanium frame with glass front and back and of
> course the new 48 Megapixel camera which is 4 times the pixels of even the
> iPhone 13 Pro camera. Here is one article with what we can look forward to
> over the next 3 years:
>
> Top Apple insider leaks first iPhone 15 details and foldable iPhone release
> timing
>
> The great thing about iPhone rumors is that they never end. Case in point:
> we’re not even a week removed from Apple introducing the iPhone 13 and we’re
> already starting to see rumors surrounding the iPhone 14 and iPhone 15. Just
> last week, for example, noted leaker Jon Prosser revealed that Face ID
> sensors on the iPhone 14 will be located below the display. Additionally,
> Prosser says there will be a punch-hole selfie camera.
> Prosser has something of a hit-and-miss track record with respect to Apple
> rumors. With that in mind, it’s probably wise to take the report with a
> grain of salt. Ming-Chi Kuo, however, is without question the top Apple
> analyst working today. Kuo typically can glean information about Apple’s
> product roadmap years in advance. With that said, Kuo recently issued a
> doozy of an investor report with details surrounding the iPhone 15 and the
> mythical foldable iPhone.
>
> iPhone 15 features
> Apple’s iPhone 15 is admittedly two years away, but it’s no secret that
> Apple prepares its feature-set years ahead of time. To that end, Kuo — via
> AppleInsider — writes that the iPhone 15 will feature a Touch ID sensor
> underneath the display. We’ve seen several credible reports over the past
> few months pointing to Apple’s interest in bringing back Touch ID. In fact,
> Apple has filed several patents pertaining to under-display fingerprint
> sensor technologies. There’s also a chance Apple will add a Touch ID sensor
> to the iPhone 15 power button.
> Assuming that an iPhone with Touch ID is in the pipeline, it remains to be
> seen if Apple plans to eliminate Face ID or have the two authentication
> schemes coexist.
>
> Foldable iPhone
> Beyond the 2023 iPhone 15, Kuo writes that a foldable iPhone will arrive in
> 2024. That means we can likely look forward to an iPhone Fold release date
> in September 2024, if Kuo is correct. We’ve seen several reports pointing to
> Apple’s interest in a foldable iPhone in recent years. The success Samsung
> has had with their foldable smartphones demonstrates that there is a market
> for such a device. According to Kuo, a foldable iPhone will likely feature
> an 8-inch display with a “3,200 x 1,800-pixel resolution.”
> A few months ago, Prosser leaked that Apple’s foldable iPhone will boast
> “two separate display panels on a hinge” and “round, stainless steel edges.”
> Prosser’s leak describes an iPhone similar in design aesthetic to the iPhone
> 11, but that may have changed given the new flatter-edge design of the
> iPhone 12. Prosser also said that the foldable iPhone will not include a
> notch. Instead,  it will have a “tiny forehead” right above the display to
> house Face ID and other sensors.
> “The memes are funny,” Prosser says, “but it doesn’t look like they just
> stuck two phones together. Even though they’re two separate panels, when the
> displays are extended, it looks fairly continuous and seamless.”
> Kuo says that Apple has experienced a few technical hurdles with both the
> iPhone 15 and the foldable iPhone.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed
> Worrell
> Sent: October 4, 2021 7:22 AM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>
> I really don’t think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones going
> forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every release.
>
> Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they’re actively
> working on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they
> haven’t found the technology to work up to their standards.
>
> Just my two 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah 

I saw this a week or so back,

I was surprised that they came out with it so soon after the 13 release.

I'm still more interested in the folding iphone than the 14 or 15



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2021 7:18 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

I wouldn't say this although I just read an article which summarized some of 
the recently leaked rumours about the iPhone 14 by John Prosser and Ming-Chi 
Kuo who have a record of accurately predicting a lot of future features and 
there is no word about touch Id until the iPhone 15.
The main thing with the iPhone 14 is a very different design which means no 
more camera bump because the phone would be slightly thicker, there would be no 
more notch in front and a Titanium frame with glass front and back and of 
course the new 48 Megapixel camera which is 4 times the pixels of even the 
iPhone 13 Pro camera. Here is one article with what we can look forward to over 
the next 3 years:

Top Apple insider leaks first iPhone 15 details and foldable iPhone release 
timing

The great thing about iPhone rumors is that they never end. Case in point: 
we’re not even a week removed from Apple introducing the iPhone 13 and we’re 
already starting to see rumors surrounding the iPhone 14 and iPhone 15. Just 
last week, for example, noted leaker Jon Prosser revealed that Face ID sensors 
on the iPhone 14 will be located below the display. Additionally, Prosser says 
there will be a punch-hole selfie camera.
Prosser has something of a hit-and-miss track record with respect to Apple 
rumors. With that in mind, it’s probably wise to take the report with a grain 
of salt. Ming-Chi Kuo, however, is without question the top Apple analyst 
working today. Kuo typically can glean information about Apple’s product 
roadmap years in advance. With that said, Kuo recently issued a doozy of an 
investor report with details surrounding the iPhone 15 and the mythical 
foldable iPhone.

iPhone 15 features
Apple’s iPhone 15 is admittedly two years away, but it’s no secret that Apple 
prepares its feature-set years ahead of time. To that end, Kuo — via 
AppleInsider — writes that the iPhone 15 will feature a Touch ID sensor 
underneath the display. We’ve seen several credible reports over the past few 
months pointing to Apple’s interest in bringing back Touch ID. In fact, Apple 
has filed several patents pertaining to under-display fingerprint sensor 
technologies. There’s also a chance Apple will add a Touch ID sensor to the 
iPhone 15 power button.
Assuming that an iPhone with Touch ID is in the pipeline, it remains to be seen 
if Apple plans to eliminate Face ID or have the two authentication schemes 
coexist.

Foldable iPhone
Beyond the 2023 iPhone 15, Kuo writes that a foldable iPhone will arrive in 
2024. That means we can likely look forward to an iPhone Fold release date in 
September 2024, if Kuo is correct. We’ve seen several reports pointing to 
Apple’s interest in a foldable iPhone in recent years. The success Samsung has 
had with their foldable smartphones demonstrates that there is a market for 
such a device. According to Kuo, a foldable iPhone will likely feature an 
8-inch display with a “3,200 x 1,800-pixel resolution.”
A few months ago, Prosser leaked that Apple’s foldable iPhone will boast “two 
separate display panels on a hinge” and “round, stainless steel edges.” 
Prosser’s leak describes an iPhone similar in design aesthetic to the iPhone 
11, but that may have changed given the new flatter-edge design of the iPhone 
12. Prosser also said that the foldable iPhone will not include a notch. 
Instead,  it will have a “tiny forehead” right above the display to house Face 
ID and other sensors.
“The memes are funny,” Prosser says, “but it doesn’t look like they just stuck 
two phones together. Even though they’re two separate panels, when the displays 
are extended, it looks fairly continuous and seamless.” 
Kuo says that Apple has experienced a few technical hurdles with both the 
iPhone 15 and the foldable iPhone.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: October 4, 2021 7:22 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

I really don’t think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones going 
forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every release. 

Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they’re actively working 
on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they haven’t found 
the technology to work up to their standards.

Just my two cents on the topic.

Ed


> On Sep 24, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> This was mentioned in a mac rumours release
> 
> They believe the under screen touch id will be in the 2023 release of 
> the iPhone and a folding iPhone 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well, I have an iPhone 11, and I can use face ID just fine. That doesn't mean I 
prefer it over touch ID. Just because I prefer touch ID over face ID doesn't 
mean I struggle with change or don't think I can use an iPhone! I totally get 
why others may prefer face ID. Sometimes preferring one feature over another is 
just that, a simple preference based on how one uses the phone. Just because 
someone uses a phone differently from someone else or prefers one feature over 
another doesn't mean they're wrong or resistant to change or anything like 
that! I know I'm overstating things and putting words in people's mouth, but 
I'm just trying to make a simple point.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Well, I have been using Face ID for close to a year. I can state one fat 
categorically. Touch ID worked essentially 100% of the time for me. Face ID 
does not. It works the majority of the time, but certainly not always. Wow I 
can live with Face ID, I do hope that Apple comes out with a touch ID option. 
Even if it’s not an actual button, I would still like to see them implement 
that. If they don’t, I can live with it, however.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Johna Gravitt  wrote:
> 
> Just so I'm clear, I'm by no means saying that just because I miss 
> the home button doesn't mean I couldn't operate a phone without one, I just 
> like it, that's all.  I have not used a phone with face ID yet, as I have the 
> latest SE Version that I upgraded to from my 8.  With that being said, I do 
> like the touch ID and was just posing the question if face ID is harder to 
> use for a person who's blind.  I ask because the nature of my eye conditions 
> makes my eyes move on their own and I was wondering if that'd cause a problem 
> with facial recognition.
> I would however miss not being able to just touch my phone to unlock it and 
> always having to pick it up and put it in front of my face to unlock it.
> Johna
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the 
> lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button 
>> to be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For 
>> me it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
>> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
>> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app 
>> and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app 
>> switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care 
>> of by triple pressing the side button.
>> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
>> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
>> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of 
>> a swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
>> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, 
>> Face Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves 
>> or when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very 
>> small percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but 
>> I know a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of 
>> manual work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my 
>> brother who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either 
>> wears gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple 
>> will once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a 
>> Touch Id home button like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id 
>> then people have the best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag 
>> around everywhere would be better with under-glass Touch Id because I could 
>> see where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Johna Gravitt
>> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home 
>> button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Carolyn]

Probably all of us have the problem with moving eyes. I can work face ID with 
or without glasses, in light or dark, although I had to set it in good light. 
The guy at Wal-Mart could not get it set. I did on a bright and sunny winter 
afternoon on the west side of our building. I cannot make it work though, with 
a mask. This is one thing that could be a consideration for re-introducing 
touch ID. 

Smart people on phone lists advised turning off, I think it's called attention 
mode, something like that for better results with facial ID for a blind person. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Johna Gravitt
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 3:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Just so I'm clear, I'm by no means saying that just because I miss the home 
button doesn't mean I couldn't operate a phone without one, I just like it, 
that's all.  I have not used a phone with face ID yet, as I have the latest SE 
Version that I upgraded to from my 8.  With that being said, I do like the 
touch ID and was just posing the question if face ID is harder to use for a 
person who's blind.  I ask because the nature of my eye conditions makes my 
eyes move on their own and I was wondering if that'd cause a problem with 
facial recognition.
I would however miss not being able to just touch my phone to unlock it and 
always having to pick it up and put it in front of my face to unlock it.
Johna
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the 
lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button to 
> be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For me 
> it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app 
> and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app 
> switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care 
> of by triple pressing the side button.
> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of a 
> swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, Face 
> Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves or 
> when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very small 
> percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but I know 
> a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of manual 
> work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my brother 
> who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either wears 
> gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple will 
> once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a Touch Id 
> home button like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id then 
> people have the best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag around 
> everywhere would be better with under-glass Touch Id because I could see 
> where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Johna Gravitt
> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home 
> button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I 
> had the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that 
> offered me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple to 
> consider this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be a 
> little skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include touch 
> ID. Sure, it may be because they think face ID is more secure, but they were 
> also able to get rid of the home button and a 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[chrisjudge1967]

Touch id worked well for me as well, unless my fingers were cold, or the least 
bit sweaty.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: October 4, 2021 4:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Well, I have been using Face ID for close to a year. I can state one fat 
categorically. Touch ID worked essentially 100% of the time for me. Face ID 
does not. It works the majority of the time, but certainly not always. Wow I 
can live with Face ID, I do hope that Apple comes out with a touch ID option. 
Even if it’s not an actual button, I would still like to see them implement 
that. If they don’t, I can live with it, however.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Johna Gravitt  wrote:
> 
> Just so I'm clear, I'm by no means saying that just because I miss 
> the home button doesn't mean I couldn't operate a phone without one, I just 
> like it, that's all.  I have not used a phone with face ID yet, as I have the 
> latest SE Version that I upgraded to from my 8.  With that being said, I do 
> like the touch ID and was just posing the question if face ID is harder to 
> use for a person who's blind.  I ask because the nature of my eye conditions 
> makes my eyes move on their own and I was wondering if that'd cause a problem 
> with facial recognition.
> I would however miss not being able to just touch my phone to unlock it and 
> always having to pick it up and put it in front of my face to unlock it.
> Johna
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the 
> lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button 
>> to be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For 
>> me it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
>> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
>> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app 
>> and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app 
>> switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care 
>> of by triple pressing the side button.
>> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
>> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
>> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of 
>> a swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
>> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, 
>> Face Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves 
>> or when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very 
>> small percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but 
>> I know a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of 
>> manual work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my 
>> brother who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either 
>> wears gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple 
>> will once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a 
>> Touch Id home button like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id 
>> then people have the best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag 
>> around everywhere would be better with under-glass Touch Id because I could 
>> see where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Johna Gravitt
>> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home 
>> button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I 
>> had the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that 
>> offered me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple 
>> to consider this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be 
>> a little skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include 
>> touch ID. Sure, it may be because 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Carolyn]

I am glad not to have a Home Button now. If touch ID was possible, I probably 
would get it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Well, I don't miss the home button, and in fact, I kind of like not having it 
get in the way of things like braille screen input. My preference for touch ID 
over face ID has nothing to do with me being blind or being a VoiceOver user. I 
just like being able to unlock my phone without having to wave it in front of 
my face, like when it S lying on the night stand or under a table top.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Johna 
Gravitt
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 12:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home button 
If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I had 
the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that offered 
me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple to consider 
this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be a little 
skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include touch ID. Sure, 
it may be because they think face ID is more secure, but they were also able to 
get rid of the home button and a finger print scanner. It'll be interesting to 
see if they consider in screen touch ID in the future.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 9:22 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

I really don't think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones going 
forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every release. 

Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they're actively working 
on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they haven't found 
the technology to work up to their standards.

Just my two cents on the topic.

Ed


> On Sep 24, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> This was mentioned in a mac rumours release
> 
> They believe the under screen touch id will be in the 2023 release of 
> the iPhone and a folding iPhone in 2024
> 
> Me,
> Don't care
> I just know it will get here when it gets here.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2021 5:13 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Why are you so sure the iPhone 14 won't have under-glass Touch Id or 
> incorporate a Touch Id side button??
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kelly Pierce
> Sent: September 23, 2021 7:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Links worked fine. My comment was for those holding their breath for the 
> iPhone 14. Their beloved fingerprint reader will not be happening.
> For those of us who crave small phones, jump on the iPhone 13 before it goes 
> away.  It's double the storage of last year's 12 for the same price.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> On 9/23/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Kelly,
>> Are you sending this to show that the links broke up on you?
>> The links worked fine for me in Outlook on my computer.
>> Are you set to read HTML eemails?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
>> - Jane Wagner
>> 
>> My Web site: 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>> turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C83969b1681c5442ab87808d987425d3
>> 4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637689541364020629%7CU
>> nknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1h
>> aWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=CZXQ%2FlnKWeRGqaZJoveQg2wpJmtSojT
>> Vqn7OjnTSzAs%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Kelly Pierce
>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 4:21 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> On 9/23/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> Forget Apple's iPhone 13, this is the smartphone to
>>> buy>> 52
>>> F
>>> w
>>> 

Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Les Kriegler]

Well, I have been using Face ID for close to a year. I can state one fat 
categorically. Touch ID worked essentially 100% of the time for me. Face ID 
does not. It works the majority of the time, but certainly not always. Wow I 
can live with Face ID, I do hope that Apple comes out with a touch ID option. 
Even if it’s not an actual button, I would still like to see them implement 
that. If they don’t, I can live with it, however.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Johna Gravitt  wrote:
> 
> Just so I'm clear, I'm by no means saying that just because I miss the home 
> button doesn't mean I couldn't operate a phone without one, I just like it, 
> that's all.  I have not used a phone with face ID yet, as I have the latest 
> SE 
> Version that I upgraded to from my 8.  With that being said, I do like the 
> touch ID and was just posing the question if face ID is harder to use for a 
> person who's blind.  I ask because the nature of my eye conditions makes my 
> eyes move on their own and I was wondering if that'd cause a problem with 
> facial recognition.
> I would however miss not being able to just touch my phone to unlock it and 
> always having to pick it up and put it in front of my face to unlock it.
> Johna
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
> Stone
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the 
> lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button 
>> to be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For 
>> me it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
>> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
>> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app 
>> and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app 
>> switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care 
>> of by triple pressing the side button.
>> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
>> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
>> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of 
>> a swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
>> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, 
>> Face Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves 
>> or when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very 
>> small percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but 
>> I know a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of 
>> manual work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my 
>> brother who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either 
>> wears gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple 
>> will once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a 
>> Touch Id home button like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id 
>> then people have the best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag 
>> around everywhere would be better with under-glass Touch Id because I could 
>> see where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Johna Gravitt
>> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home 
>> button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I 
>> had the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that 
>> offered me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple 
>> to consider this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be 
>> a little skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include 
>> touch ID. Sure, it may be because they think face ID is more secure, but 
>> they were also able to get rid of the home button and a finger print 
>> scanner. It'll be interesting to see if they consider in screen touch ID in 
>> the future.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Johna Gravitt]

Just so I'm clear, I'm by no means saying that just because I miss the home 
button doesn't mean I couldn't operate a phone without one, I just like it, 
that's all.  I have not used a phone with face ID yet, as I have the latest SE 
Version that I upgraded to from my 8.  With that being said, I do like the 
touch ID and was just posing the question if face ID is harder to use for a 
person who's blind.  I ask because the nature of my eye conditions makes my 
eyes move on their own and I was wondering if that'd cause a problem with 
facial recognition.
I would however miss not being able to just touch my phone to unlock it and 
always having to pick it up and put it in front of my face to unlock it.
Johna
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the 
lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button to 
> be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For me 
> it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app 
> and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app 
> switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care 
> of by triple pressing the side button.
> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of a 
> swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, Face 
> Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves or 
> when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very small 
> percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but I know 
> a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of manual 
> work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my brother 
> who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either wears 
> gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple will 
> once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a Touch Id 
> home button like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id then 
> people have the best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag around 
> everywhere would be better with under-glass Touch Id because I could see 
> where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Johna Gravitt
> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home 
> button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I 
> had the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that 
> offered me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple to 
> consider this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be a 
> little skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include touch 
> ID. Sure, it may be because they think face ID is more secure, but they were 
> also able to get rid of the home button and a finger print scanner. It'll be 
> interesting to see if they consider in screen touch ID in the future.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ed Worrell
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 9:22 AM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> I really don't think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones going 
> forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every release. 
> 
> Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they're actively 
> working on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they 
> haven't found the technology to work up to their standards.
> 
> Just my two cents on the topic.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[chrisjudge1967]

I don't mis the home button at all.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: October 4, 2021 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button to be 
not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For me it's 
at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my store 
before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the home 
button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app and go 
to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app switcher. 
The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care of by triple 
pressing the side button.
As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the home 
button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen where 
you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of a swipe 
up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app switcher. I 
honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, Face Id works 
actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves or when my 
fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very small 
percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but I know a 
lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of manual work 
and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my brother who is 
a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either wears gloves or 
his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple will once again 
replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a Touch Id home button 
like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id then people have the 
best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag around everywhere would be 
better with under-glass Touch Id because I could see where a Touch Id home 
button could get damaged.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Johna 
Gravitt
Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home button 
If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I had 
the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that offered 
me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple to consider 
this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be a little 
skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include touch ID. Sure, 
it may be because they think face ID is more secure, but they were also able to 
get rid of the home button and a finger print scanner. It'll be interesting to 
see if they consider in screen touch ID in the future.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 9:22 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

I really don't think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones going 
forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every release. 

Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they're actively working 
on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they haven't found 
the technology to work up to their standards.

Just my two cents on the topic.

Ed


> On Sep 24, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> This was mentioned in a mac rumours release
> 
> They believe the under screen touch id will be in the 2023 release of 
> the iPhone and a folding iPhone in 2024
> 
> Me,
> Don't care
> I just know it will get here when it gets here.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2021 5:13 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Why are you so sure the iPhone 14 won't have under-glass Touch Id or 
> incorporate a Touch Id side button??
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kelly Pierce
> Sent: September 23, 2021 7:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Links worked fine. My comment was for those holding their breath for the 
> iPhone 14. Their beloved fingerprint reader will not be happening.
> For those of us who crave small 

Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Alex Stone]

I agree, but I think there are quite a few people who have been convinced that 
they couldn’t cope without a home button by people who don’t know what they’re 
talking about.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:36, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Alex, we are all creatures of habit and for some change is more difficult to 
> deal with than for others.
> I feel the same about when people install these shells on a Windows PC, first 
> they would want Windows 7 look like XP and now with Windows 10 they want 
> Windows 10 to look and feel like Windows 7 where instead they could just 
> spend a bit of time properly learning how to do things the Windows 10 way and 
> be better off.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
> Stone
> Sent: October 4, 2021 11:33 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the 
> lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button 
>> to be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For 
>> me it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
>> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
>> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app 
>> and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app 
>> switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care 
>> of by triple pressing the side button.
>> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
>> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
>> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of 
>> a swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
>> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, 
>> Face Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves 
>> or when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very 
>> small percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but 
>> I know a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of 
>> manual work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my 
>> brother who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either 
>> wears gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple 
>> will once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a 
>> Touch Id home button like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id 
>> then people have the best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag 
>> around everywhere would be better with under-glass Touch Id because I could 
>> see where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Johna Gravitt
>> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home 
>> button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I 
>> had the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that 
>> offered me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple 
>> to consider this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be 
>> a little skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include 
>> touch ID. Sure, it may be because they think face ID is more secure, but 
>> they were also able to get rid of the home button and a finger print 
>> scanner. It'll be interesting to see if they consider in screen touch ID in 
>> the future.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Ed Worrell
>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 9:22 AM
>> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> I really don't think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones going 
>> forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every release. 
>> 
>> Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they're actively 
>> working on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they 
>> haven't found the technology to work 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Alex, we are all creatures of habit and for some change is more difficult to 
deal with than for others.
I feel the same about when people install these shells on a Windows PC, first 
they would want Windows 7 look like XP and now with Windows 10 they want 
Windows 10 to look and feel like Windows 7 where instead they could just spend 
a bit of time properly learning how to do things the Windows 10 way and be 
better off.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: October 4, 2021 11:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the 
lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button to 
> be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For me 
> it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app 
> and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app 
> switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care 
> of by triple pressing the side button.
> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of a 
> swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, Face 
> Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves or 
> when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very small 
> percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but I know 
> a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of manual 
> work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my brother 
> who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either wears 
> gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple will 
> once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a Touch Id 
> home button like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id then 
> people have the best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag around 
> everywhere would be better with under-glass Touch Id because I could see 
> where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Johna Gravitt
> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home 
> button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I 
> had the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that 
> offered me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple to 
> consider this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be a 
> little skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include touch 
> ID. Sure, it may be because they think face ID is more secure, but they were 
> also able to get rid of the home button and a finger print scanner. It'll be 
> interesting to see if they consider in screen touch ID in the future.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ed Worrell
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 9:22 AM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> I really don't think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones going 
> forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every release. 
> 
> Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they're actively 
> working on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they 
> haven't found the technology to work up to their standards.
> 
> Just my two cents on the topic.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> This was mentioned in a mac rumours release
>> 
>> They believe the under screen touch id will be in the 2023 release of 
>> the iPhone and a folding iPhone in 2024
>> 
>> Me,
>> Don't care
>> I just know it will get here when it 

Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Alex Stone]

Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the 
lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button to 
> be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For me 
> it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app 
> and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app 
> switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care 
> of by triple pressing the side button.
> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of a 
> swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, Face 
> Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves or 
> when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very small 
> percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but I know 
> a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of manual 
> work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my brother 
> who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either wears 
> gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple will 
> once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a Touch Id 
> home button like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id then 
> people have the best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag around 
> everywhere would be better with under-glass Touch Id because I could see 
> where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Johna 
> Gravitt
> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home 
> button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I 
> had the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that 
> offered me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple to 
> consider this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be a 
> little skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include touch 
> ID. Sure, it may be because they think face ID is more secure, but they were 
> also able to get rid of the home button and a finger print scanner. It'll be 
> interesting to see if they consider in screen touch ID in the future.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
> Worrell
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 9:22 AM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> I really don't think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones going 
> forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every release. 
> 
> Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they're actively 
> working on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they 
> haven't found the technology to work up to their standards.
> 
> Just my two cents on the topic.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> This was mentioned in a mac rumours release
>> 
>> They believe the under screen touch id will be in the 2023 release of 
>> the iPhone and a folding iPhone in 2024
>> 
>> Me,
>> Don't care
>> I just know it will get here when it gets here.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2021 5:13 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> Why are you so sure the iPhone 14 won't have under-glass Touch Id or 
>> incorporate a Touch Id side button??
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Kelly Pierce
>> Sent: September 23, 2021 7:16 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> Links worked fine. My 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button to be 
not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For me it's 
at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my store 
before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the home 
button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app and go 
to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app switcher. 
The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care of by triple 
pressing the side button.
As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the home 
button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen where 
you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of a swipe 
up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app switcher. I 
honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, Face Id works 
actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves or when my 
fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very small 
percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but I know a 
lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of manual work 
and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my brother who is 
a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either wears gloves or 
his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple will once again 
replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a Touch Id home button 
like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id then people have the 
best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag around everywhere would be 
better with under-glass Touch Id because I could see where a Touch Id home 
button could get damaged.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Johna 
Gravitt
Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home button 
If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I had 
the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that offered 
me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple to consider 
this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be a little 
skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include touch ID. Sure, 
it may be because they think face ID is more secure, but they were also able to 
get rid of the home button and a finger print scanner. It'll be interesting to 
see if they consider in screen touch ID in the future.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 9:22 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

I really don't think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones going 
forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every release. 

Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they're actively working 
on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they haven't found 
the technology to work up to their standards.

Just my two cents on the topic.

Ed


> On Sep 24, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> This was mentioned in a mac rumours release
> 
> They believe the under screen touch id will be in the 2023 release of 
> the iPhone and a folding iPhone in 2024
> 
> Me,
> Don't care
> I just know it will get here when it gets here.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2021 5:13 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Why are you so sure the iPhone 14 won't have under-glass Touch Id or 
> incorporate a Touch Id side button??
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kelly Pierce
> Sent: September 23, 2021 7:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Links worked fine. My comment was for those holding their breath for the 
> iPhone 14. Their beloved fingerprint reader will not be happening.
> For those of us who crave small phones, jump on the iPhone 13 before it goes 
> away.  It's double the storage of last year's 12 for the same price.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> On 9/23/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Kelly,
>> Are you sending this to show that the links broke up on you?
>> The 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I wouldn't say this although I just read an article which summarized some of 
the recently leaked rumours about the iPhone 14 by John Prosser and Ming-Chi 
Kuo who have a record of accurately predicting a lot of future features and 
there is no word about touch Id until the iPhone 15.
The main thing with the iPhone 14 is a very different design which means no 
more camera bump because the phone would be slightly thicker, there would be no 
more notch in front and a Titanium frame with glass front and back and of 
course the new 48 Megapixel camera which is 4 times the pixels of even the 
iPhone 13 Pro camera. Here is one article with what we can look forward to over 
the next 3 years:

Top Apple insider leaks first iPhone 15 details and foldable iPhone release 
timing

The great thing about iPhone rumors is that they never end. Case in point: 
we’re not even a week removed from Apple introducing the iPhone 13 and we’re 
already starting to see rumors surrounding the iPhone 14 and iPhone 15. Just 
last week, for example, noted leaker Jon Prosser revealed that Face ID sensors 
on the iPhone 14 will be located below the display. Additionally, Prosser says 
there will be a punch-hole selfie camera.
Prosser has something of a hit-and-miss track record with respect to Apple 
rumors. With that in mind, it’s probably wise to take the report with a grain 
of salt. Ming-Chi Kuo, however, is without question the top Apple analyst 
working today. Kuo typically can glean information about Apple’s product 
roadmap years in advance. With that said, Kuo recently issued a doozy of an 
investor report with details surrounding the iPhone 15 and the mythical 
foldable iPhone.

iPhone 15 features
Apple’s iPhone 15 is admittedly two years away, but it’s no secret that Apple 
prepares its feature-set years ahead of time. To that end, Kuo — via 
AppleInsider — writes that the iPhone 15 will feature a Touch ID sensor 
underneath the display. We’ve seen several credible reports over the past few 
months pointing to Apple’s interest in bringing back Touch ID. In fact, Apple 
has filed several patents pertaining to under-display fingerprint sensor 
technologies. There’s also a chance Apple will add a Touch ID sensor to the 
iPhone 15 power button.
Assuming that an iPhone with Touch ID is in the pipeline, it remains to be seen 
if Apple plans to eliminate Face ID or have the two authentication schemes 
coexist.

Foldable iPhone
Beyond the 2023 iPhone 15, Kuo writes that a foldable iPhone will arrive in 
2024. That means we can likely look forward to an iPhone Fold release date in 
September 2024, if Kuo is correct. We’ve seen several reports pointing to 
Apple’s interest in a foldable iPhone in recent years. The success Samsung has 
had with their foldable smartphones demonstrates that there is a market for 
such a device. According to Kuo, a foldable iPhone will likely feature an 
8-inch display with a “3,200 x 1,800-pixel resolution.”
A few months ago, Prosser leaked that Apple’s foldable iPhone will boast “two 
separate display panels on a hinge” and “round, stainless steel edges.” 
Prosser’s leak describes an iPhone similar in design aesthetic to the iPhone 
11, but that may have changed given the new flatter-edge design of the iPhone 
12. Prosser also said that the foldable iPhone will not include a notch. 
Instead,  it will have a “tiny forehead” right above the display to house Face 
ID and other sensors.
“The memes are funny,” Prosser says, “but it doesn’t look like they just stuck 
two phones together. Even though they’re two separate panels, when the displays 
are extended, it looks fairly continuous and seamless.” 
Kuo says that Apple has experienced a few technical hurdles with both the 
iPhone 15 and the foldable iPhone.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: October 4, 2021 7:22 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

I really don’t think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones going 
forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every release. 

Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they’re actively working 
on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they haven’t found 
the technology to work up to their standards.

Just my two cents on the topic.

Ed


> On Sep 24, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> This was mentioned in a mac rumours release
> 
> They believe the under screen touch id will be in the 2023 release of 
> the iPhone and a folding iPhone in 2024
> 
> Me,
> Don't care
> I just know it will get here when it gets here.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2021 5:13 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Why are you so sure the iPhone 14 won't have under-glass Touch Id or 
> 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well, I don't miss the home button, and in fact, I kind of like not having it 
get in the way of things like braille screen input. My preference for touch ID 
over face ID has nothing to do with me being blind or being a VoiceOver user. I 
just like being able to unlock my phone without having to wave it in front of 
my face, like when it
S lying on the night stand or under a table top.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Johna 
Gravitt
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 12:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home button 
If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I had 
the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that offered 
me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple to consider 
this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be a little 
skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include touch ID. Sure, 
it may be because they think face ID is more secure, but they were also able to 
get rid of the home button and a finger print scanner. It'll be interesting to 
see if they consider in screen touch ID in the future.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 9:22 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

I really don't think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones going 
forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every release. 

Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they're actively working 
on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they haven't found 
the technology to work up to their standards.

Just my two cents on the topic.

Ed


> On Sep 24, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> This was mentioned in a mac rumours release
> 
> They believe the under screen touch id will be in the 2023 release of 
> the iPhone and a folding iPhone in 2024
> 
> Me,
> Don't care
> I just know it will get here when it gets here.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2021 5:13 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Why are you so sure the iPhone 14 won't have under-glass Touch Id or 
> incorporate a Touch Id side button??
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kelly Pierce
> Sent: September 23, 2021 7:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Links worked fine. My comment was for those holding their breath for the 
> iPhone 14. Their beloved fingerprint reader will not be happening.
> For those of us who crave small phones, jump on the iPhone 13 before it goes 
> away.  It's double the storage of last year's 12 for the same price.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> On 9/23/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Kelly,
>> Are you sending this to show that the links broke up on you?
>> The links worked fine for me in Outlook on my computer.
>> Are you set to read HTML eemails?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
>> - Jane Wagner
>> 
>> My Web site: 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>> turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C83969b1681c5442ab87808d987425d3
>> 4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637689541364020629%7CU
>> nknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1h
>> aWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=CZXQ%2FlnKWeRGqaZJoveQg2wpJmtSojT
>> Vqn7OjnTSzAs%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Kelly Pierce
>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 4:21 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> On 9/23/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> Forget Apple's iPhone 13, this is the smartphone to
>>> buy>> 52
>>> F
>>> w
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RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Johna Gravitt]

I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home button
If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I had 
the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that offered 
me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple to consider 
this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be a little 
skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include touch ID. Sure, 
it may be because they think face ID is more secure, but they were also able to 
get rid of the home button and a finger print scanner. It'll be interesting to 
see if they consider in screen touch ID in the future.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 9:22 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

I really don't think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones going 
forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every release. 

Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they're actively working 
on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they haven't found 
the technology to work up to their standards.

Just my two cents on the topic.

Ed


> On Sep 24, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> This was mentioned in a mac rumours release
> 
> They believe the under screen touch id will be in the 2023 release of 
> the iPhone and a folding iPhone in 2024
> 
> Me,
> Don't care
> I just know it will get here when it gets here.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2021 5:13 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Why are you so sure the iPhone 14 won't have under-glass Touch Id or 
> incorporate a Touch Id side button??
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kelly Pierce
> Sent: September 23, 2021 7:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Links worked fine. My comment was for those holding their breath for the 
> iPhone 14. Their beloved fingerprint reader will not be happening.
> For those of us who crave small phones, jump on the iPhone 13 before it goes 
> away.  It's double the storage of last year's 12 for the same price.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> On 9/23/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Kelly,
>> Are you sending this to show that the links broke up on you?
>> The links worked fine for me in Outlook on my computer.
>> Are you set to read HTML eemails?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
>> - Jane Wagner
>> 
>> My Web site: 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>> turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C83969b1681c5442ab87808d987425d3
>> 4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637689541364020629%7CU
>> nknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1h
>> aWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=CZXQ%2FlnKWeRGqaZJoveQg2wpJmtSojT
>> Vqn7OjnTSzAs%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Kelly Pierce
>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 4:21 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> On 9/23/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> Forget Apple's iPhone 13, this is the smartphone to
>>> buy>> F
>>> w
>>> ww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fgordonkelly%2F2021%2F09%2F22%2Fapple-iphone-
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>>> 
>>> And if you really need a new phone now, here is another thing to 
>>> consider if you are trying to decide between an iPhone 12 and 13:
>>> 
>>> iPhone 13 battery life tests show huge improvements over iPhone 
>>> 12>> w
>>> w
>>> w.imore.com%2Fiphone-13-battery-life-tests-show-huge-improvements-ov
>>> e
>>> r
>>> -iphone-12data=04%7C01%7C%7C16d0dc4ee13442cc373f08d97ee8daa8%7C
>>> 8
>>> 4
>>> 

RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I had 
the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that offered 
me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple to consider 
this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be a little 
skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include touch ID. Sure, 
it may be because they think face ID is more secure, but they were also able to 
get rid of the home button and a finger print scanner. It'll be interesting to 
see if they consider in screen touch ID in the future.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 9:22 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

I really don't think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones going 
forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every release. 

Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they're actively working 
on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they haven't found 
the technology to work up to their standards.

Just my two cents on the topic.

Ed


> On Sep 24, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> This was mentioned in a mac rumours release
> 
> They believe the under screen touch id will be in the 2023 release of 
> the iPhone and a folding iPhone in 2024
> 
> Me,
> Don't care
> I just know it will get here when it gets here.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2021 5:13 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Why are you so sure the iPhone 14 won't have under-glass Touch Id or 
> incorporate a Touch Id side button??
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kelly Pierce
> Sent: September 23, 2021 7:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Links worked fine. My comment was for those holding their breath for the 
> iPhone 14. Their beloved fingerprint reader will not be happening.
> For those of us who crave small phones, jump on the iPhone 13 before it goes 
> away.  It's double the storage of last year's 12 for the same price.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> On 9/23/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Kelly,
>> Are you sending this to show that the links broke up on you?
>> The links worked fine for me in Outlook on my computer.
>> Are you set to read HTML eemails?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
>> - Jane Wagner
>> 
>> My Web site: 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>> turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C83969b1681c5442ab87808d987425d3
>> 4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637689541364020629%7CU
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>> Vqn7OjnTSzAs%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Kelly Pierce
>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 4:21 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> On 9/23/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> Forget Apple's iPhone 13, this is the smartphone to 
>>> buy>> F
>>> w
>>> ww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fgordonkelly%2F2021%2F09%2F22%2Fapple-iphone-
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>>> IDw%3Dreserved=0>
>>> 
>>> And if you really need a new phone now, here is another thing to 
>>> consider if you are trying to decide between an iPhone 12 and 13:
>>> 
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>>> 12>> w
>>> w
>>> w.imore.com%2Fiphone-13-battery-life-tests-show-huge-improvements-ov
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>>> --
>>> The following information is important for all members of the V 
>>> iPhone list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any 

Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Ed Worrell]

I really don’t think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones going 
forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every release. 

Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they’re actively working 
on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they haven’t found 
the technology to work up to their standards.

Just my two cents on the topic.

Ed


> On Sep 24, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> This was mentioned in a mac rumours release 
> 
> They believe the under screen touch id will be in the 2023 release of the 
> iPhone and a folding iPhone in 2024 
> 
> Me,
> Don't care 
> I just know it will get here when it gets here.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2021 5:13 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Why are you so sure the iPhone 14 won't have under-glass Touch Id or 
> incorporate a Touch Id side button??
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
> Pierce
> Sent: September 23, 2021 7:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Links worked fine. My comment was for those holding their breath for the 
> iPhone 14. Their beloved fingerprint reader will not be happening.
> For those of us who crave small phones, jump on the iPhone 13 before it goes 
> away.  It’s double the storage of last year’s 12 for the same price.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> On 9/23/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Kelly,
>> Are you sending this to show that the links broke up on you?
>> The links worked fine for me in Outlook on my computer.
>> Are you set to read HTML eemails?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
>> - Jane Wagner
>> 
>> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Kelly Pierce
>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 4:21 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> On 9/23/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> Forget Apple's iPhone 13, this is the smartphone to 
>>> buy>> w
>>> ww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fgordonkelly%2F2021%2F09%2F22%2Fapple-iphone-1
>>> 4
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>>> IDw%3Dreserved=0>
>>> 
>>> And if you really need a new phone now, here is another thing to 
>>> consider if you are trying to decide between an iPhone 12 and 13:
>>> 
>>> iPhone 13 battery life tests show huge improvements over iPhone 
>>> 12>> w
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RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Simon A Fogarty]

This was mentioned in a mac rumours release 

They believe the under screen touch id will be in the 2023 release of the 
iPhone and a folding iPhone in 2024 

Me,
Don't care 
I just know it will get here when it gets here.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2021 5:13 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Why are you so sure the iPhone 14 won't have under-glass Touch Id or 
incorporate a Touch Id side button??

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: September 23, 2021 7:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Links worked fine. My comment was for those holding their breath for the iPhone 
14. Their beloved fingerprint reader will not be happening.
For those of us who crave small phones, jump on the iPhone 13 before it goes 
away.  It’s double the storage of last year’s 12 for the same price.

Kelly


On 9/23/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Kelly,
> Are you sending this to show that the links broke up on you?
> The links worked fine for me in Outlook on my computer.
> Are you set to read HTML eemails?
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> - Jane Wagner
>
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kelly Pierce
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 4:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>
> On 9/23/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Forget Apple's iPhone 13, this is the smartphone to 
>> buy> w
>> ww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fgordonkelly%2F2021%2F09%2F22%2Fapple-iphone-1
>> 4
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>>
>> And if you really need a new phone now, here is another thing to 
>> consider if you are trying to decide between an iPhone 12 and 13:
>>
>> iPhone 13 battery life tests show huge improvements over iPhone 
>> 12> w
>> w.imore.com%2Fiphone-13-battery-life-tests-show-huge-improvements-ove
>> r
>> -iphone-12data=04%7C01%7C%7C16d0dc4ee13442cc373f08d97ee8daa8%7C8
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RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Why are you so sure the iPhone 14 won't have under-glass Touch Id or 
incorporate a Touch Id side button??

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: September 23, 2021 7:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Links worked fine. My comment was for those holding their breath for the iPhone 
14. Their beloved fingerprint reader will not be happening.
For those of us who crave small phones, jump on the iPhone 13 before it goes 
away.  It’s double the storage of last year’s 12 for the same price.

Kelly


On 9/23/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Kelly,
> Are you sending this to show that the links broke up on you?
> The links worked fine for me in Outlook on my computer.
> Are you set to read HTML eemails?
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> - Jane Wagner
>
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kelly Pierce
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 4:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>
> On 9/23/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Forget Apple's iPhone 13, this is the smartphone to 
>> buy> w
>> ww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fgordonkelly%2F2021%2F09%2F22%2Fapple-iphone-1
>> 4
>> -design-leak-upgrade-redesign-upgrade-iphone-13-pro-max%2F%3Fsh%3D1ce
>> 3 
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>> E
>> IDw%3Dreserved=0>
>>
>> And if you really need a new phone now, here is another thing to 
>> consider if you are trying to decide between an iPhone 12 and 13:
>>
>> iPhone 13 battery life tests show huge improvements over iPhone 
>> 12> w 
>> w.imore.com%2Fiphone-13-battery-life-tests-show-huge-improvements-ove
>> r
>> -iphone-12data=04%7C01%7C%7C16d0dc4ee13442cc373f08d97ee8daa8%7C8
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Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

Could anyone suggest me any physical keypad usable with iPhone 12
Mini? I want a portable pocket size keypad to use it on the go.

On 9/24/21, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> Thanks an interesting article,
>
> But again we’re so far out no one really knows what’s happening
>
> But good to hear possible options.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, 24 September 2021 5:21 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>
> Forget Apple's iPhone 13, this is the smartphone to
> buy
>
> And if you really need a new phone now, here is another thing to consider if
> you are trying to decide between an iPhone 12 and 13:
>
> iPhone 13 battery life tests show huge improvements over iPhone
> 12
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RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Simon A Fogarty]

Thanks an interesting article,

But again we’re so far out no one really knows what’s happening

But good to hear possible options.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, 24 September 2021 5:21 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Forget Apple's iPhone 13, this is the smartphone to 
buy

And if you really need a new phone now, here is another thing to consider if 
you are trying to decide between an iPhone 12 and 13:

iPhone 13 battery life tests show huge improvements over iPhone 
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Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Kelly Pierce]

Links worked fine. My comment was for those holding their breath for
the iPhone 14. Their beloved fingerprint reader will not be happening.
For those of us who crave small phones, jump on the iPhone 13 before
it goes away.  It’s double the storage of last year’s 12 for the same
price.

Kelly


On 9/23/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Kelly,
> Are you sending this to show that the links broke up on you?
> The links worked fine for me in Outlook on my computer.
> Are you set to read HTML eemails?
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> - Jane Wagner
>
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly
> Pierce
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 4:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>
> On 9/23/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Forget Apple's iPhone 13, this is the smartphone to
>> buy> ww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fgordonkelly%2F2021%2F09%2F22%2Fapple-iphone-14
>> -design-leak-upgrade-redesign-upgrade-iphone-13-pro-max%2F%3Fsh%3D1ce3
>> b5021ee2data=04%7C01%7C%7C16d0dc4ee13442cc373f08d97ee8daa8%7C84df
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>> IDw%3Dreserved=0>
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>> And if you really need a new phone now, here is another thing to
>> consider if you are trying to decide between an iPhone 12 and 13:
>>
>> iPhone 13 battery life tests show huge improvements over iPhone
>> 12> w.imore.com%2Fiphone-13-battery-life-tests-show-huge-improvements-over
>> -iphone-12data=04%7C01%7C%7C16d0dc4ee13442cc373f08d97ee8daa8%7C84
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RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Richard Turner]

Kelly,
Are you sending this to show that the links broke up on you?
The links worked fine for me in Outlook on my computer.
Are you set to read HTML eemails?



Richard
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Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

On 9/23/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Forget Apple's iPhone 13, this is the smartphone to 
> buy ww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fgordonkelly%2F2021%2F09%2F22%2Fapple-iphone-14
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> And if you really need a new phone now, here is another thing to 
> consider if you are trying to decide between an iPhone 12 and 13:
>
> iPhone 13 battery life tests show huge improvements over iPhone 
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Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

[Kelly Pierce]

On 9/23/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Forget Apple's iPhone 13, this is the smartphone to
> buy
>
> And if you really need a new phone now, here is another thing to consider if
> you are trying to decide between an iPhone 12 and 13:
>
> iPhone 13 battery life tests show huge improvements over iPhone
> 12
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