RE: Face I.D

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Simon,
Okay, no problem. I have done that a couple of times. I have an appointment at 
an Apple Store fairly close to where I live on Wednesday, When I explained the 
issue I was having, the rep with whom I spoke suggested that my problem could 
be with the front facing camera and that it might need to be replaced. So, I 
will test with a technician and we will go from there. Have a good weekend.
Best,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 7:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Sorry Les,

I meant that you can delete your current face id settings and re do face ID 
without having to wipe the phone and start setup from the beginning 

 Easier than going through the entire setup again.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, 14 November 2020 12:31 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Simon, I am aware of that. If I were to turn off Face I.D, then I would opt for 
the SE. In other words, I wish to use Face I.D.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 4:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Les,
You can turn face id off if you so wish,


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Friday, 13 November 2020 7:35 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Hi Carolyn,
Thanks. Well, I thought I had this all figured out, but I'm still getting 
inconsistent performance with face I.D. I think my only option is to completely 
erase the phone And start over, or swap out my phone. If I erase the phone and 
re-set it up and that does not resolve the issue, I'll have to do this a second 
time. I've spent considerable time on this issue, and I'm leaning toward 
replacing the phone. I can be holding my phone in the exact same position and 
it will work, then stop working with the message, try again. If anyone has 
other suggestions, I'm open to them. With Covid concerns, I may not be able to 
swap via curbside, but we'll see about that one.
Best,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 6:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Good going, Les. I think I was doing more like you said until someone on one of 
the lists said they held their phone about 12-14 inches out from their face. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Hi Wayne,
I appreciate your response, as well as the many recommendations from others on 
this list. I think I finally figured it out! I was holding the phone the same 
way as I do when navigating the screen. My wife encouraged me to hold the phone 
vertically. I can best describe it as the phone being absolutely straight in my 
hand. Holding it in this manner and away from my face now results in Face I.D 
working every time. Now, I've had false positives before, but I really think 
I've cracked it! Again, I really appreciate everybody's suggestions. Simon, you 
mentioned an attention setting which I will look at. As of now, the difference 
is night and day!
Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

Mine works about 90% of the time. I hold my phone like I'm on a Facetime or 
other video call. I do have issues with turning my head the right way when 
approving app downloads or purchases. I usually will rotate my face around 
until I hear the ding to approve the purchase/download. Perhaps an SE phone 
would work better for you. It sounds like you're still in the first 30 day 
period.

Best,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/11/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Mine works the majority of the time, but why I got to this level is 
> that someone on this or another iPhone list said to hold the phone
> 12-14 inches away from the face.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face I.D
>
> Hi All,
>
> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when 
> I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I 
> cannot consistently create situations where I can identify what my 
> issue is with this feature. I have had a few discussions with Apple 
> Accessibility. I have removed and reset up Face I

RE: Face I.D

[Simon A Fogarty]

Sorry Les,

I meant that you can delete your current face id settings and re do face ID 
without having to wipe the phone and start setup from the beginning 

 Easier than going through the entire setup again.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, 14 November 2020 12:31 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Simon, I am aware of that. If I were to turn off Face I.D, then I would opt for 
the SE. In other words, I wish to use Face I.D.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 4:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Les,
You can turn face id off if you so wish,


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Friday, 13 November 2020 7:35 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Hi Carolyn,
Thanks. Well, I thought I had this all figured out, but I'm still getting 
inconsistent performance with face I.D. I think my only option is to completely 
erase the phone And start over, or swap out my phone. If I erase the phone and 
re-set it up and that does not resolve the issue, I'll have to do this a second 
time. I've spent considerable time on this issue, and I'm leaning toward 
replacing the phone. I can be holding my phone in the exact same position and 
it will work, then stop working with the message, try again. If anyone has 
other suggestions, I'm open to them. With Covid concerns, I may not be able to 
swap via curbside, but we'll see about that one.
Best,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 6:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Good going, Les. I think I was doing more like you said until someone on one of 
the lists said they held their phone about 12-14 inches out from their face. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Hi Wayne,
I appreciate your response, as well as the many recommendations from others on 
this list. I think I finally figured it out! I was holding the phone the same 
way as I do when navigating the screen. My wife encouraged me to hold the phone 
vertically. I can best describe it as the phone being absolutely straight in my 
hand. Holding it in this manner and away from my face now results in Face I.D 
working every time. Now, I've had false positives before, but I really think 
I've cracked it! Again, I really appreciate everybody's suggestions. Simon, you 
mentioned an attention setting which I will look at. As of now, the difference 
is night and day!
Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

Mine works about 90% of the time. I hold my phone like I'm on a Facetime or 
other video call. I do have issues with turning my head the right way when 
approving app downloads or purchases. I usually will rotate my face around 
until I hear the ding to approve the purchase/download. Perhaps an SE phone 
would work better for you. It sounds like you're still in the first 30 day 
period.

Best,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/11/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Mine works the majority of the time, but why I got to this level is 
> that someone on this or another iPhone list said to hold the phone
> 12-14 inches away from the face.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face I.D
>
> Hi All,
>
> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when 
> I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I 
> cannot consistently create situations where I can identify what my 
> issue is with this feature. I have had a few discussions with Apple 
> Accessibility. I have removed and reset up Face ID, I even removed my app 
> settings before setting up Face I.D.
> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist 
> on this one.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Les
>
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RE: Face I.D

[Les Kriegler]

Simon, I am aware of that. If I were to turn off Face I.D, then I would opt for 
the SE. In other words, I wish to use Face I.D.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 4:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Les,
You can turn face id off if you so wish,


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Friday, 13 November 2020 7:35 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Hi Carolyn,
Thanks. Well, I thought I had this all figured out, but I'm still getting 
inconsistent performance with face I.D. I think my only option is to completely 
erase the phone And start over, or swap out my phone. If I erase the phone and 
re-set it up and that does not resolve the issue, I'll have to do this a second 
time. I've spent considerable time on this issue, and I'm leaning toward 
replacing the phone. I can be holding my phone in the exact same position and 
it will work, then stop working with the message, try again. If anyone has 
other suggestions, I'm open to them. With Covid concerns, I may not be able to 
swap via curbside, but we'll see about that one.
Best,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 6:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Good going, Les. I think I was doing more like you said until someone on one of 
the lists said they held their phone about 12-14 inches out from their face. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Hi Wayne,
I appreciate your response, as well as the many recommendations from others on 
this list. I think I finally figured it out! I was holding the phone the same 
way as I do when navigating the screen. My wife encouraged me to hold the phone 
vertically. I can best describe it as the phone being absolutely straight in my 
hand. Holding it in this manner and away from my face now results in Face I.D 
working every time. Now, I've had false positives before, but I really think 
I've cracked it! Again, I really appreciate everybody's suggestions. Simon, you 
mentioned an attention setting which I will look at. As of now, the difference 
is night and day!
Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

Mine works about 90% of the time. I hold my phone like I'm on a Facetime or 
other video call. I do have issues with turning my head the right way when 
approving app downloads or purchases. I usually will rotate my face around 
until I hear the ding to approve the purchase/download. Perhaps an SE phone 
would work better for you. It sounds like you're still in the first 30 day 
period.

Best,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/11/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Mine works the majority of the time, but why I got to this level is 
> that someone on this or another iPhone list said to hold the phone
> 12-14 inches away from the face.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face I.D
>
> Hi All,
>
> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when 
> I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I 
> cannot consistently create situations where I can identify what my 
> issue is with this feature. I have had a few discussions with Apple 
> Accessibility. I have removed and reset up Face ID, I even removed my app 
> settings before setting up Face I.D.
> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist 
> on this one.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Les
>
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RE: Face I.D

[Simon A Fogarty]

Les,
You can turn face id off if you so wish,


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Friday, 13 November 2020 7:35 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Hi Carolyn,
Thanks. Well, I thought I had this all figured out, but I'm still getting 
inconsistent performance with face I.D. I think my only option is to completely 
erase the phone And start over, or swap out my phone. If I erase the phone and 
re-set it up and that does not resolve the issue, I'll have to do this a second 
time. I've spent considerable time on this issue, and I'm leaning toward 
replacing the phone. I can be holding my phone in the exact same position and 
it will work, then stop working with the message, try again. If anyone has 
other suggestions, I'm open to them. With Covid concerns, I may not be able to 
swap via curbside, but we'll see about that one.
Best,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 6:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Good going, Les. I think I was doing more like you said until someone on one of 
the lists said they held their phone about 12-14 inches out from their face. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Hi Wayne,
I appreciate your response, as well as the many recommendations from others on 
this list. I think I finally figured it out! I was holding the phone the same 
way as I do when navigating the screen. My wife encouraged me to hold the phone 
vertically. I can best describe it as the phone being absolutely straight in my 
hand. Holding it in this manner and away from my face now results in Face I.D 
working every time. Now, I've had false positives before, but I really think 
I've cracked it! Again, I really appreciate everybody's suggestions. Simon, you 
mentioned an attention setting which I will look at. As of now, the difference 
is night and day!
Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

Mine works about 90% of the time. I hold my phone like I'm on a Facetime or 
other video call. I do have issues with turning my head the right way when 
approving app downloads or purchases. I usually will rotate my face around 
until I hear the ding to approve the purchase/download. Perhaps an SE phone 
would work better for you. It sounds like you're still in the first 30 day 
period.

Best,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/11/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Mine works the majority of the time, but why I got to this level is 
> that someone on this or another iPhone list said to hold the phone
> 12-14 inches away from the face.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face I.D
>
> Hi All,
>
> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when 
> I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I 
> cannot consistently create situations where I can identify what my 
> issue is with this feature. I have had a few discussions with Apple 
> Accessibility. I have removed and reset up Face ID, I even removed my app 
> settings before setting up Face I.D.
> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist 
> on this one.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Les
>
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RE: Face I.D

[Les Kriegler]

Yes, and that is why I am spending so much time trying to get this to work more 
consistently.
Best,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 5:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

No reason why one form of security wont work,

Just remember though that more people have success with face id  than don't on 
phones that require face id.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2020 1:07 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

When I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to use face ID at all, just a passcode.  
I was talking to someone recently at apple accessibility and they told me, that 
I have a choice whether to use face ID at all.
This was something I didn't know about.  I have the choice of using face ID, 
using a passcode, or turning off all security together where my iPhone wouldn't 
lock at all.  I would never turn off security all together, so when I get a new 
iPhone, I'm not going to enable face ID, but just use a passcode to unlock my 
iPhone.

On 11/11/20, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:
> Hi Less, i use Face ID al the time. I put the midel on my nose and far 
> away from my face, i uses an iPhone XS for 2 years and don’t faceing provlem.
>
> נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
>
>> ‫ב-11 בנוב׳ 2020, בשעה 11:37, ‏‏Les Kriegler ‏ 
>> כתב/ה:‬
>>
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
>> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works 
>> when I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the 
>> opposite. I cannot consistently create situations where I can 
>> identify what my issue is with this feature. I have had a few 
>> discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset up 
>> Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D.
>> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
>> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
>> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
>> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist 
>> on this one.
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Les
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RE: Face I.D

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Simon,
Yes, the attention  setting is off. There is another setting for attention 
awareness settings which is on. I believe that's a default setting. I want face 
I.D to unlock my phone, so I've chosen that setting.
Best,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 5:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Hi Les 

Yeah the attention setting should be off by default if you have voiceover 
running.

 And from what you're saying I'm guessing it's off as you would have more of an 
issue with it than you have with your success

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2020 10:24 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Hi Wayne,
I appreciate your response, as well as the many recommendations from others on 
this list. I think I finally figured it out! I was holding the phone the same 
way as I do when navigating the screen. My wife encouraged me to hold the phone 
vertically. I can best describe it as the phone being absolutely straight in my 
hand. Holding it in this manner and away from my face now results in Face I.D 
working every time. Now, I've had false positives before, but I really think 
I've cracked it! Again, I really appreciate everybody's suggestions. Simon, you 
mentioned an attention setting which I will look at. As of now, the difference 
is night and day!
Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

Mine works about 90% of the time. I hold my phone like I'm on a Facetime or 
other video call. I do have issues with turning my head the right way when 
approving app downloads or purchases. I usually will rotate my face around 
until I hear the ding to approve the purchase/download. Perhaps an SE phone 
would work better for you. It sounds like you're still in the first 30 day 
period.

Best,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/11/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Mine works the majority of the time, but why I got to this level is 
> that someone on this or another iPhone list said to hold the phone
> 12-14 inches away from the face.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face I.D
>
> Hi All,
>
> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when 
> I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I 
> cannot consistently create situations where I can identify what my 
> issue is with this feature. I have had a few discussions with Apple 
> Accessibility. I have removed and reset up Face ID, I even removed my app 
> settings before setting up Face I.D.
> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist 
> on this one.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Les
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RE: Face I.D

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Carolyn,
Thanks. Well, I thought I had this all figured out, but I'm still getting 
inconsistent performance with face I.D. I think my only option is to completely 
erase the phone And start over, or swap out my phone. If I erase the phone and 
re-set it up and that does not resolve the issue, I'll have to do this a second 
time. I've spent considerable time on this issue, and I'm leaning toward 
replacing the phone. I can be holding my phone in the exact same position and 
it will work, then stop working with the message, try again. If anyone has 
other suggestions, I'm open to them. With Covid concerns, I may not be able to 
swap via curbside, but we'll see about that one.
Best,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 6:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Good going, Les. I think I was doing more like you said until someone on one of 
the lists said they held their phone about 12-14 inches out from their face. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Hi Wayne,
I appreciate your response, as well as the many recommendations from others on 
this list. I think I finally figured it out! I was holding the phone the same 
way as I do when navigating the screen. My wife encouraged me to hold the phone 
vertically. I can best describe it as the phone being absolutely straight in my 
hand. Holding it in this manner and away from my face now results in Face I.D 
working every time. Now, I've had false positives before, but I really think 
I've cracked it! Again, I really appreciate everybody's suggestions. Simon, you 
mentioned an attention setting which I will look at. As of now, the difference 
is night and day!
Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

Mine works about 90% of the time. I hold my phone like I'm on a Facetime or 
other video call. I do have issues with turning my head the right way when 
approving app downloads or purchases. I usually will rotate my face around 
until I hear the ding to approve the purchase/download. Perhaps an SE phone 
would work better for you. It sounds like you're still in the first 30 day 
period.

Best,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/11/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Mine works the majority of the time, but why I got to this level is 
> that someone on this or another iPhone list said to hold the phone
> 12-14 inches away from the face.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face I.D
>
> Hi All,
>
> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when 
> I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I 
> cannot consistently create situations where I can identify what my 
> issue is with this feature. I have had a few discussions with Apple 
> Accessibility. I have removed and reset up Face ID, I even removed my app 
> settings before setting up Face I.D.
> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist 
> on this one.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Les
>
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RE: Face I.D

[Christopher Chaltain]

All things being equal, I prefer touch ID over face ID, but I don't find face 
ID to be as bad as some make it out to be, especially since if the face ID 
doesn't work, you can still just enter your PIN.

--
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Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 9:12 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face I.D
> 
> Lenron,
> I am just curious; did you use Face ID for more than just a few hours or a few
> times? I think more people would like and get used to Face ID if they spent a
> good week with the feature, but that's my own biased opinion. If you entered
> your face on a friend's phone and tried it a few times with said friend, and
> decided you did not like it as much; that doesn't seem like a long enough 
> time to
> make an objective judgment. Again, just my humble biased opinion. As someone
> else said, I'll take off my teacher hat now, :)
> 
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> On 11/11/20, lenron brown  wrote:
> > Tested it a while ago when I had access to an xs max hated it. I like
> > being able to have my phone where ever and unlock it. Touch id works
> > all the time so if it aint broken don't need to fix it. If apple gives
> > me a phone with both I will consider upgrading my 7plus in a couple
> > years, but for now it's 7plus and s20 fe.
> >
> > On 11/11/20, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> >> But even more,
> >> If they haven't used it, how can they really comment be it positive
> >> or negative on how it is.
> >>
> >>  I don't think I'll go back to a touch id device now I've had the
> >> face id phones.
> >>
> >> Even if apple bring both out in one device as they are rumoured to be
> >> doing, I'll still use face id first.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-
> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf
> >> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> >> Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2020 3:14 pm
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: RE: Face I.D
> >>
> >> If you have never used it why would you say there is little to like
> >> about it. I just went from an iPhon e8 to an iPhon e11 and really like 
> >> Face Id.
> >> I
> >> have been an iPhone user since 2010 so when the 5S came out with
> >> Touch Id I absolutely wanted it and it worked really well. However,
> >> when you live in a cold climate like me where you more or less have
> >> to wear gloves 5 months out of the year Touch Id is not so convenient
> >> and if like me you enjoy woodowrking Touch Id also is not always so
> >> great because I may have a bunch of cuts on my fingers or glue or
> >> whatever and for about a week Touch Id doesn't work at all. I think
> >> everybody has their preference, but I know few blind people who hate
> >> Face Id if they have a device which has it. Of course it would be
> >> nice to have both and it looks like we may get that wish fulfilled
> >> next year.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf
> >> Of lenron brown
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:43 PM
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: Face I.D
> >>
> >> I don't use face id and honestly life is good with out it. My 7plus
> >> nor my other phone has it. Fingerprint readers work just fine. I am
> >> happy it works for some but there isn't really much likeable about
> >> it.
> >>
> >> On 11/11/20, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> >>> No reason why one form of security wont work,
> >>>
> >>> Just remember though that more people have success with face id
> >>> than don't on phones that require face id.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf
> >>> Of Joshua Hendrickson
> >>> Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2020 1:07 am
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Face I.D
> >>>
> >>> When I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to use face ID at all, just a
> >>> passcode.  I was talking to someone recently at apple accessibility
> >>> and they told me, that I have a choice whether to use face ID at all.
> >>> This was something I didn't know about.  I have the choice of using
> >>> face ID, using a passcode, or turning off all security together
> >>> where my iPhone wouldn't lock at all.  I would nev

RE: Face I.D

[Carolyn]

That would be nice to have both, but I have gotten used to facial too, 
Sieghard. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

If you have never used it why would you say there is little to like about it. I 
just went from an iPhon e8 to an iPhon e11 and really like Face Id. I have been 
an iPhone user since 2010 so when the 5S came out with Touch Id I absolutely 
wanted it and it worked really well. However, when you live in a cold climate 
like me where you more or less have to wear gloves 5 months out of the year 
Touch Id is not so convenient and if like me you enjoy woodowrking Touch Id 
also is not always so great because I may have a bunch of cuts on my fingers or 
glue or whatever and for about a week Touch Id doesn't work at all. I think 
everybody has their preference, but I know few blind people who hate Face Id if 
they have a device which has it. Of course it would be nice to have both and it 
looks like we may get that wish fulfilled next year.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

I don't use face id and honestly life is good with out it. My 7plus nor my 
other phone has it. Fingerprint readers work just fine. I am happy it works for 
some but there isn't really much likeable about it.

On 11/11/20, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> No reason why one form of security wont work,
>
> Just remember though that more people have success with face id  than 
> don't on phones that require face id.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2020 1:07 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face I.D
>
> When I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to use face ID at all, just a 
> passcode.  I was talking to someone recently at apple accessibility 
> and they told me, that I have a choice whether to use face ID at all.
> This was something I didn't know about.  I have the choice of using 
> face ID, using a passcode, or turning off all security together where 
> my iPhone wouldn't lock at all.  I would never turn off security all 
> together, so when I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to enable face ID, 
> but just use a passcode to unlock my iPhone.
>
> On 11/11/20, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:
>> Hi Less, i use Face ID al the time. I put the midel on my nose and 
>> far away from my face, i uses an iPhone XS for 2 years and don’t 
>> faceing provlem.
>>
>> נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
>>
>>> ‫ב-11 בנוב׳ 2020, בשעה 11:37, ‏‏Les Kriegler ‏ 
>>> כתב/ה:‬
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
>>> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works 
>>> when I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the 
>>> opposite. I cannot consistently create situations where I can 
>>> identify what my issue is with this feature. I have had a few 
>>> discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset up 
>>> Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D.
>>> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
>>> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
>>> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
>>> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for 
>>> the assist on this one.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Les
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RE: Face I.D

[Carolyn]

Mine is six, but I got really fast with it before I got the hang of really 
having my phone in the right place for facial ID. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

And why would you want to do that? Sorry, just curious? For me Face Id work I 
would say 99% of the time and I think it's a huge pain in the finger so to 
speak if I had to type in my 6-digit passcode each time I want to unlock my 
phone. Even if you go with a 4-digit passcode it's still inconvenient, after 
all, you use Touch Id so why wouldn't you want to use Face Id.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

When I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to use face ID at all, just a passcode.  
I was talking to someone recently at apple accessibility and they told me, that 
I have a choice whether to use face ID at all.
This was something I didn't know about.  I have the choice of using face ID, 
using a passcode, or turning off all security together where my iPhone wouldn't 
lock at all.  I would never turn off security all together, so when I get a new 
iPhone, I'm not going to enable face ID, but just use a passcode to unlock my 
iPhone.

On 11/11/20, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:
> Hi Less, i use Face ID al the time. I put the midel on my nose and far 
> away from my face, i uses an iPhone XS for 2 years and don’t faceing provlem.
>
> נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
>
>> ‫ב-11 בנוב׳ 2020, בשעה 11:37, ‏‏Les Kriegler ‏ 
>> כתב/ה:‬
>>
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
>> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works 
>> when I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the 
>> opposite. I cannot consistently create situations where I can 
>> identify what my issue is with this feature. I have had a few 
>> discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset up 
>> Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D.
>> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
>> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
>> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
>> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist 
>> on this one.
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Les
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Re: Face I.D

[Wayne Merritt]

Lenron,
I am just curious; did you use Face ID for more than just a few hours
or a few times? I think more people would like and get used to Face ID
if they spent a good week with the feature, but that's my own biased
opinion. If you entered your face on a friend's phone and tried it a
few times with said friend, and decided you did not like it as much;
that doesn't seem like a long enough time to make an objective
judgment. Again, just my humble biased opinion. As someone else said,
I'll take off my teacher hat now, :)

Wayne Merritt

On 11/11/20, lenron brown  wrote:
> Tested it a while ago when I had access to an xs max hated it. I like
> being able to have my phone where ever and unlock it. Touch id works
> all the time so if it aint broken don't need to fix it. If apple gives
> me a phone with both I will consider upgrading my 7plus in a couple
> years, but for now it's 7plus and s20 fe.
>
> On 11/11/20, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> But even more,
>> If they haven't used it, how can they really comment be it positive or
>> negative on how it is.
>>
>>  I don't think I'll go back to a touch id device now I've had the face id
>> phones.
>>
>> Even if apple bring both out in one device as they are rumoured to be
>> doing,
>> I'll still use face id first.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2020 3:14 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face I.D
>>
>> If you have never used it why would you say there is little to like about
>> it. I just went from an iPhon e8 to an iPhon e11 and really like Face Id.
>> I
>> have been an iPhone user since 2010 so when the 5S came out with Touch Id
>> I
>> absolutely wanted it and it worked really well. However, when you live in
>> a
>> cold climate like me where you more or less have to wear gloves 5 months
>> out
>> of the year Touch Id is not so convenient and if like me you enjoy
>> woodowrking Touch Id also is not always so great because I may have a
>> bunch
>> of cuts on my fingers or glue or whatever and for about a week Touch Id
>> doesn't work at all. I think everybody has their preference, but I know
>> few
>> blind people who hate Face Id if they have a device which has it. Of
>> course
>> it would be nice to have both and it looks like we may get that wish
>> fulfilled next year.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:43 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Face I.D
>>
>> I don't use face id and honestly life is good with out it. My 7plus nor
>> my
>> other phone has it. Fingerprint readers work just fine. I am happy it
>> works
>> for some but there isn't really much likeable about it.
>>
>> On 11/11/20, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> No reason why one form of security wont work,
>>>
>>> Just remember though that more people have success with face id  than
>>> don't on phones that require face id.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Joshua Hendrickson
>>> Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2020 1:07 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Face I.D
>>>
>>> When I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to use face ID at all, just a
>>> passcode.  I was talking to someone recently at apple accessibility
>>> and they told me, that I have a choice whether to use face ID at all.
>>> This was something I didn't know about.  I have the choice of using
>>> face ID, using a passcode, or turning off all security together where
>>> my iPhone wouldn't lock at all.  I would never turn off security all
>>> together, so when I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to enable face ID,
>>> but just use a passcode to unlock my iPhone.
>>>
>>> On 11/11/20, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:
>>>> Hi Less, i use Face ID al the time. I put the midel on my nose and
>>>> far away from my face, i uses an iPhone XS for 2 years and don’t
>>>> faceing provlem.
>>>>
>>>> נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
>>>>
>>>>> ‫ב-11 בנוב׳ 2020, בשעה 11:37, ‏‏Les Kriegler ‏
>>>>> כתב/ה:‬
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More
>>>>> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it

Re: Face I.D

[lenron brown]

Tested it a while ago when I had access to an xs max hated it. I like
being able to have my phone where ever and unlock it. Touch id works
all the time so if it aint broken don't need to fix it. If apple gives
me a phone with both I will consider upgrading my 7plus in a couple
years, but for now it's 7plus and s20 fe.

On 11/11/20, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> But even more,
> If they haven't used it, how can they really comment be it positive or
> negative on how it is.
>
>  I don't think I'll go back to a touch id device now I've had the face id
> phones.
>
> Even if apple bring both out in one device as they are rumoured to be
> doing,
> I'll still use face id first.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2020 3:14 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face I.D
>
> If you have never used it why would you say there is little to like about
> it. I just went from an iPhon e8 to an iPhon e11 and really like Face Id. I
> have been an iPhone user since 2010 so when the 5S came out with Touch Id I
> absolutely wanted it and it worked really well. However, when you live in a
> cold climate like me where you more or less have to wear gloves 5 months out
> of the year Touch Id is not so convenient and if like me you enjoy
> woodowrking Touch Id also is not always so great because I may have a bunch
> of cuts on my fingers or glue or whatever and for about a week Touch Id
> doesn't work at all. I think everybody has their preference, but I know few
> blind people who hate Face Id if they have a device which has it. Of course
> it would be nice to have both and it looks like we may get that wish
> fulfilled next year.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face I.D
>
> I don't use face id and honestly life is good with out it. My 7plus nor my
> other phone has it. Fingerprint readers work just fine. I am happy it works
> for some but there isn't really much likeable about it.
>
> On 11/11/20, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> No reason why one form of security wont work,
>>
>> Just remember though that more people have success with face id  than
>> don't on phones that require face id.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2020 1:07 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Face I.D
>>
>> When I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to use face ID at all, just a
>> passcode.  I was talking to someone recently at apple accessibility
>> and they told me, that I have a choice whether to use face ID at all.
>> This was something I didn't know about.  I have the choice of using
>> face ID, using a passcode, or turning off all security together where
>> my iPhone wouldn't lock at all.  I would never turn off security all
>> together, so when I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to enable face ID,
>> but just use a passcode to unlock my iPhone.
>>
>> On 11/11/20, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:
>>> Hi Less, i use Face ID al the time. I put the midel on my nose and
>>> far away from my face, i uses an iPhone XS for 2 years and don’t
>>> faceing provlem.
>>>
>>> נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
>>>
>>>> ‫ב-11 בנוב׳ 2020, בשעה 11:37, ‏‏Les Kriegler ‏
>>>> כתב/ה:‬
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More
>>>> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works
>>>> when I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the
>>>> opposite. I cannot consistently create situations where I can
>>>> identify what my issue is with this feature. I have had a few
>>>> discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset up
>>>> Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D.
>>>> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you
>>>> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that
>>>> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of
>>>> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for
>>>> the assist on this one.
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Les
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RE: Face I.D

[Simon A Fogarty]

But even more,
If they haven't used it, how can they really comment be it positive or negative 
on how it is.

 I don't think I'll go back to a touch id device now I've had the face id 
phones.

Even if apple bring both out in one device as they are rumoured to be doing,
I'll still use face id first.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2020 3:14 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

If you have never used it why would you say there is little to like about it. I 
just went from an iPhon e8 to an iPhon e11 and really like Face Id. I have been 
an iPhone user since 2010 so when the 5S came out with Touch Id I absolutely 
wanted it and it worked really well. However, when you live in a cold climate 
like me where you more or less have to wear gloves 5 months out of the year 
Touch Id is not so convenient and if like me you enjoy woodowrking Touch Id 
also is not always so great because I may have a bunch of cuts on my fingers or 
glue or whatever and for about a week Touch Id doesn't work at all. I think 
everybody has their preference, but I know few blind people who hate Face Id if 
they have a device which has it. Of course it would be nice to have both and it 
looks like we may get that wish fulfilled next year.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

I don't use face id and honestly life is good with out it. My 7plus nor my 
other phone has it. Fingerprint readers work just fine. I am happy it works for 
some but there isn't really much likeable about it.

On 11/11/20, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> No reason why one form of security wont work,
>
> Just remember though that more people have success with face id  than 
> don't on phones that require face id.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2020 1:07 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face I.D
>
> When I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to use face ID at all, just a 
> passcode.  I was talking to someone recently at apple accessibility 
> and they told me, that I have a choice whether to use face ID at all.
> This was something I didn't know about.  I have the choice of using 
> face ID, using a passcode, or turning off all security together where 
> my iPhone wouldn't lock at all.  I would never turn off security all 
> together, so when I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to enable face ID, 
> but just use a passcode to unlock my iPhone.
>
> On 11/11/20, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:
>> Hi Less, i use Face ID al the time. I put the midel on my nose and 
>> far away from my face, i uses an iPhone XS for 2 years and don’t 
>> faceing provlem.
>>
>> נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
>>
>>> ‫ב-11 בנוב׳ 2020, בשעה 11:37, ‏‏Les Kriegler ‏ 
>>> כתב/ה:‬
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
>>> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works 
>>> when I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the 
>>> opposite. I cannot consistently create situations where I can 
>>> identify what my issue is with this feature. I have had a few 
>>> discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset up 
>>> Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D.
>>> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
>>> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
>>> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
>>> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for 
>>> the assist on this one.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Les
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RE: Face I.D

[Simon A Fogarty]

Interesting,

I've had a number of situations where the sun was some how to bright and 
couldn't pick up on my face therefore not unlocking the phone.
Going into the shade it worked fine.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2020 12:32 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

That sounds like a good point, Anna. For some reason, the guy at Wal-Mart could 
not get mine set up. 

I went outside in bright sun at about 3 P.M. on a January afternoon and got 
mine without one bit of trouble. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anna Dresner
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 3:45 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Face I.D

Hi,

On the iPhone X, I found that if I had a lot of light available when setting up 
the scan, Face ID worked better, presumably because it got a better scan. You 
don't have to have any light at all when scanning for Face ID, but it may help 
when doing the initial scans.

Best,
Anna



On Nov 11, 2020, at 2:37 PM, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:

Hi Les,
 
It works for me on my 11 pro max 99% of the time
The one thing I’d say to check is that the attention setting is turned 
off in the face id settings,
 
This wants you to look at the camera  to unlock the screen,
 
If you turn this off, it takes that requirement away and you can have 
more luck.
 
Note though that this should be disabled / off if you have voiceover on 
from the start of setup.
 
The other thing I’ve found glair from the sun can affect the face id 
also,
As well as not pointing it directly towards your face.
 
Hope this helps. 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, 11 November 2020 10:37 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Face I.D
 
Hi All,
Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More often 
than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when I do not 
expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I cannot consistently 
create situations where I can identify what my issue is with this feature. I 
have had a few discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset 
up Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D. The 
problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you using Face I.D, 
on a percentage basis, how often would you say that Face I.D works for you. 
Second question, if it works the majority of the time, what method did you use 
to bring this about? Thanks for the assist on this one.
Best Regards,
 
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Re: Face I.D

[Matthew Bullis]

I would say to those who are going to experience this for the first time, just 
like I am when I get my phone on Friday, that you should at least experience 
the feature. You should be able to turn it off later if you truly don't want 
it. That's my teacher mode there, as this is what I would say to a student of 
mine with any new feature or process on computer or iphone. 
Matthew


On Nov 11, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

And why would you want to do that? Sorry, just curious? For me Face Id work I 
would say 99% of the time and I think it's a huge pain in the finger so to 
speak if I had to type in my 6-digit passcode each time I want to unlock my 
phone. Even if you go with a 4-digit passcode it's still inconvenient, after 
all, you use Touch Id so why wouldn't you want to use Face Id.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

When I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to use face ID at all, just a passcode.  
I was talking to someone recently at apple accessibility and they told me, that 
I have a choice whether to use face ID at all.
This was something I didn't know about.  I have the choice of using face ID, 
using a passcode, or turning off all security together where my iPhone wouldn't 
lock at all.  I would never turn off security all together, so when I get a new 
iPhone, I'm not going to enable face ID, but just use a passcode to unlock my 
iPhone.

On 11/11/20, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:
> Hi Less, i use Face ID al the time. I put the midel on my nose and far 
> away from my face, i uses an iPhone XS for 2 years and don’t faceing provlem.
> 
> נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
> 
>> ‫ב-11 בנוב׳ 2020, בשעה 11:37, ‏‏Les Kriegler ‏ 
>> כתב/ה:‬
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
>> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works 
>> when I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the 
>> opposite. I cannot consistently create situations where I can 
>> identify what my issue is with this feature. I have had a few 
>> discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset up 
>> Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D. 
>> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
>> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
>> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
>> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist 
>> on this one.
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Les
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RE: Face I.D

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you have never used it why would you say there is little to like about it. I 
just went from an iPhon e8 to an iPhon e11 and really like Face Id. I have been 
an iPhone user since 2010 so when the 5S came out with Touch Id I absolutely 
wanted it and it worked really well. However, when you live in a cold climate 
like me where you more or less have to wear gloves 5 months out of the year 
Touch Id is not so convenient and if like me you enjoy woodowrking Touch Id 
also is not always so great because I may have a bunch of cuts on my fingers or 
glue or whatever and for about a week Touch Id doesn't work at all. I think 
everybody has their preference, but I know few blind people who hate Face Id if 
they have a device which has it. Of course it would be nice to have both and it 
looks like we may get that wish fulfilled next year.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

I don't use face id and honestly life is good with out it. My 7plus nor my 
other phone has it. Fingerprint readers work just fine. I am happy it works for 
some but there isn't really much likeable about it.

On 11/11/20, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> No reason why one form of security wont work,
>
> Just remember though that more people have success with face id  than 
> don't on phones that require face id.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2020 1:07 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face I.D
>
> When I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to use face ID at all, just a 
> passcode.  I was talking to someone recently at apple accessibility 
> and they told me, that I have a choice whether to use face ID at all.
> This was something I didn't know about.  I have the choice of using 
> face ID, using a passcode, or turning off all security together where 
> my iPhone wouldn't lock at all.  I would never turn off security all 
> together, so when I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to enable face ID, 
> but just use a passcode to unlock my iPhone.
>
> On 11/11/20, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:
>> Hi Less, i use Face ID al the time. I put the midel on my nose and 
>> far away from my face, i uses an iPhone XS for 2 years and don’t 
>> faceing provlem.
>>
>> נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
>>
>>> ‫ב-11 בנוב׳ 2020, בשעה 11:37, ‏‏Les Kriegler ‏ 
>>> כתב/ה:‬
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
>>> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works 
>>> when I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the 
>>> opposite. I cannot consistently create situations where I can 
>>> identify what my issue is with this feature. I have had a few 
>>> discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset up 
>>> Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D.
>>> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
>>> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
>>> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
>>> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for 
>>> the assist on this one.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Les
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RE: Face I.D

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And why would you want to do that? Sorry, just curious? For me Face Id work I 
would say 99% of the time and I think it's a huge pain in the finger so to 
speak if I had to type in my 6-digit passcode each time I want to unlock my 
phone. Even if you go with a 4-digit passcode it's still inconvenient, after 
all, you use Touch Id so why wouldn't you want to use Face Id.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

When I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to use face ID at all, just a passcode.  
I was talking to someone recently at apple accessibility and they told me, that 
I have a choice whether to use face ID at all.
This was something I didn't know about.  I have the choice of using face ID, 
using a passcode, or turning off all security together where my iPhone wouldn't 
lock at all.  I would never turn off security all together, so when I get a new 
iPhone, I'm not going to enable face ID, but just use a passcode to unlock my 
iPhone.

On 11/11/20, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:
> Hi Less, i use Face ID al the time. I put the midel on my nose and far 
> away from my face, i uses an iPhone XS for 2 years and don’t faceing provlem.
>
> נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
>
>> ‫ב-11 בנוב׳ 2020, בשעה 11:37, ‏‏Les Kriegler ‏ 
>> כתב/ה:‬
>>
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
>> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works 
>> when I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the 
>> opposite. I cannot consistently create situations where I can 
>> identify what my issue is with this feature. I have had a few 
>> discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset up 
>> Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D. 
>> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
>> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
>> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
>> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist 
>> on this one.
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Les
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RE: Face I.D

[Carolyn]

Good going, Les. I think I was doing more like you said until someone on one of 
the lists said they held their phone about 12-14 inches out from their face. 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Hi Wayne,
I appreciate your response, as well as the many recommendations from others on 
this list. I think I finally figured it out! I was holding the phone the same 
way as I do when navigating the screen. My wife encouraged me to hold the phone 
vertically. I can best describe it as the phone being absolutely straight in my 
hand. Holding it in this manner and away from my face now results in Face I.D 
working every time. Now, I've had false positives before, but I really think 
I've cracked it! Again, I really appreciate everybody's suggestions. Simon, you 
mentioned an attention setting which I will look at. As of now, the difference 
is night and day!
Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

Mine works about 90% of the time. I hold my phone like I'm on a Facetime or 
other video call. I do have issues with turning my head the right way when 
approving app downloads or purchases. I usually will rotate my face around 
until I hear the ding to approve the purchase/download. Perhaps an SE phone 
would work better for you. It sounds like you're still in the first 30 day 
period.

Best,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/11/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Mine works the majority of the time, but why I got to this level is 
> that someone on this or another iPhone list said to hold the phone
> 12-14 inches away from the face.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face I.D
>
> Hi All,
>
> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when 
> I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I 
> cannot consistently create situations where I can identify what my 
> issue is with this feature. I have had a few discussions with Apple 
> Accessibility. I have removed and reset up Face ID, I even removed my app 
> settings before setting up Face I.D.
> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist 
> on this one.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Les
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RE: Face I.D

[Carolyn]

That's exactly what I do, don't miss a beat, and I can really do my PIN fast 
now. 

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Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

I'm curious. Why won't you use face ID? If you're face isn't recognized, you 
can always enter your PIN. These two options are not mutually exclusive.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 6:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face I.D
> 
> When I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to use face ID at all, just a 
> passcode.  I was talking to someone recently at apple accessibility 
> and they told me, that I have a choice whether to use face ID at all.
> This was something I didn't know about.  I have the choice of using 
> face ID, using a passcode, or turning off all security together where 
> my iPhone wouldn't lock at all.  I would never turn off security all 
> together, so when I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to enable face ID, 
> but just use a passcode to unlock my iPhone.
> 
> On 11/11/20, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:
> > Hi Less, i use Face ID al the time. I put the midel on my nose and 
> > far away from my face, i uses an iPhone XS for 2 years and don’t faceing 
> > provlem.
> >
> > נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
> >
> >> ‫ב-11 בנוב׳ 2020, בשעה 11:37, ‏‏Les Kriegler 
> >> ‏ כתב/ה:‬
> >>
> >> 
> >> Hi All,
> >> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
> >> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works 
> >> when I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the 
> >> opposite. I cannot consistently create situations where I can 
> >> identify what my issue is with this feature. I have had a few 
> >> discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset up 
> >> Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D.
> >> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
> >> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
> >> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority 
> >> of the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks 
> >> for the assist
> on this one.
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Les
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RE: Face I.D

[Carolyn]

That sounds like a good point, Anna. For some reason, the guy at Wal-Mart could 
not get mine set up. 

I went outside in bright sun at about 3 P.M. on a January afternoon and got 
mine without one bit of trouble. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anna Dresner
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 3:45 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Face I.D

Hi,

On the iPhone X, I found that if I had a lot of light available when setting up 
the scan, Face ID worked better, presumably because it got a better scan. You 
don't have to have any light at all when scanning for Face ID, but it may help 
when doing the initial scans.

Best,
Anna



On Nov 11, 2020, at 2:37 PM, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:

Hi Les,
 
It works for me on my 11 pro max 99% of the time
The one thing I’d say to check is that the attention setting is turned 
off in the face id settings,
 
This wants you to look at the camera  to unlock the screen,
 
If you turn this off, it takes that requirement away and you can have 
more luck.
 
Note though that this should be disabled / off if you have voiceover on 
from the start of setup.
 
The other thing I’ve found glair from the sun can affect the face id 
also,
As well as not pointing it directly towards your face.
 
Hope this helps. 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, 11 November 2020 10:37 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Face I.D
 
Hi All,
Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More often 
than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when I do not 
expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I cannot consistently 
create situations where I can identify what my issue is with this feature. I 
have had a few discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset 
up Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D. The 
problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you using Face I.D, 
on a percentage basis, how often would you say that Face I.D works for you. 
Second question, if it works the majority of the time, what method did you use 
to bring this about? Thanks for the assist on this one.
Best Regards,
 
Les
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RE: Face I.D

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Les 

Yeah the attention setting should be off by default if you have voiceover 
running.

 And from what you're saying I'm guessing it's off as you would have more of an 
issue with it than you have with your success

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2020 10:24 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Hi Wayne,
I appreciate your response, as well as the many recommendations from others on 
this list. I think I finally figured it out! I was holding the phone the same 
way as I do when navigating the screen. My wife encouraged me to hold the phone 
vertically. I can best describe it as the phone being absolutely straight in my 
hand. Holding it in this manner and away from my face now results in Face I.D 
working every time. Now, I've had false positives before, but I really think 
I've cracked it! Again, I really appreciate everybody's suggestions. Simon, you 
mentioned an attention setting which I will look at. As of now, the difference 
is night and day!
Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

Mine works about 90% of the time. I hold my phone like I'm on a Facetime or 
other video call. I do have issues with turning my head the right way when 
approving app downloads or purchases. I usually will rotate my face around 
until I hear the ding to approve the purchase/download. Perhaps an SE phone 
would work better for you. It sounds like you're still in the first 30 day 
period.

Best,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/11/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Mine works the majority of the time, but why I got to this level is 
> that someone on this or another iPhone list said to hold the phone
> 12-14 inches away from the face.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face I.D
>
> Hi All,
>
> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when 
> I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I 
> cannot consistently create situations where I can identify what my 
> issue is with this feature. I have had a few discussions with Apple 
> Accessibility. I have removed and reset up Face ID, I even removed my app 
> settings before setting up Face I.D.
> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist 
> on this one.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Les
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Re: Face I.D

[lenron brown]

I don't use face id and honestly life is good with out it. My 7plus
nor my other phone has it. Fingerprint readers work just fine. I am
happy it works for some but there isn't really much likeable about it.

On 11/11/20, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> No reason why one form of security wont work,
>
> Just remember though that more people have success with face id  than don't
> on phones that require face id.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2020 1:07 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face I.D
>
> When I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to use face ID at all, just a
> passcode.  I was talking to someone recently at apple accessibility and they
> told me, that I have a choice whether to use face ID at all.
> This was something I didn't know about.  I have the choice of using face ID,
> using a passcode, or turning off all security together where my iPhone
> wouldn't lock at all.  I would never turn off security all together, so when
> I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to enable face ID, but just use a passcode
> to unlock my iPhone.
>
> On 11/11/20, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:
>> Hi Less, i use Face ID al the time. I put the midel on my nose and far
>> away from my face, i uses an iPhone XS for 2 years and don’t faceing
>> provlem.
>>
>> נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
>>
>>> ‫ב-11 בנוב׳ 2020, בשעה 11:37, ‏‏Les Kriegler ‏
>>> כתב/ה:‬
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More
>>> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works
>>> when I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the
>>> opposite. I cannot consistently create situations where I can
>>> identify what my issue is with this feature. I have had a few
>>> discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset up
>>> Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D.
>>> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you
>>> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that
>>> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of
>>> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the
>>> assist on this one.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Les
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RE: Face I.D

[Simon A Fogarty]

No reason why one form of security wont work,

Just remember though that more people have success with face id  than don't on 
phones that require face id.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2020 1:07 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

When I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to use face ID at all, just a passcode.  
I was talking to someone recently at apple accessibility and they told me, that 
I have a choice whether to use face ID at all.
This was something I didn't know about.  I have the choice of using face ID, 
using a passcode, or turning off all security together where my iPhone wouldn't 
lock at all.  I would never turn off security all together, so when I get a new 
iPhone, I'm not going to enable face ID, but just use a passcode to unlock my 
iPhone.

On 11/11/20, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:
> Hi Less, i use Face ID al the time. I put the midel on my nose and far 
> away from my face, i uses an iPhone XS for 2 years and don’t faceing provlem.
>
> נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
>
>> ‫ב-11 בנוב׳ 2020, בשעה 11:37, ‏‏Les Kriegler ‏ 
>> כתב/ה:‬
>>
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
>> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works 
>> when I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the 
>> opposite. I cannot consistently create situations where I can 
>> identify what my issue is with this feature. I have had a few 
>> discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset up 
>> Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D. 
>> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
>> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
>> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
>> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist 
>> on this one.
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Les
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Re: Face I.D

[Michael Irons]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Mickey Quenzer  wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> As far as using face ID, I find that holding the phone in front of me with 
> the display facing my face as if I am reading a book seems to be the best way 
> to get Face ID to work.It’s different when you’re laying down if you’re 
> laying down then you have to put The phone above your forehead,and aimed 
> towards the chin. Hope this helps!
> 
> 
> *** MQ ***
> ***270-776-9871 ***
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Les 
> Kriegler 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 3:23:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Face I.D
>  
> Hi Wayne,
> I appreciate your response, as well as the many recommendations from others 
> on this list. I think I finally figured it out! I was holding the phone the 
> same way as I do when navigating the screen. My wife encouraged me to hold 
> the phone vertically. I can best describe it as the phone being absolutely 
> straight in my hand. Holding it in this manner and away from my face now 
> results in Face I.D working every time. Now, I've had false positives before, 
> but I really think I've cracked it! Again, I really appreciate everybody's 
> suggestions. Simon, you mentioned an attention setting which I will look at. 
> As of now, the difference is night and day!
> Best Regards,
> 
> Les
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
> Merritt
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face I.D
> 
> Mine works about 90% of the time. I hold my phone like I'm on a Facetime or 
> other video call. I do have issues with turning my head the right way when 
> approving app downloads or purchases. I usually will rotate my face around 
> until I hear the ding to approve the purchase/download. Perhaps an SE phone 
> would work better for you. It sounds like you're still in the first 30 day 
> period.
> 
> Best,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> On 11/11/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > Mine works the majority of the time, but why I got to this level is 
> > that someone on this or another iPhone list said to hold the phone 
> > 12-14 inches away from the face.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:37 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Face I.D
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
> > often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when 
> > I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I 
> > cannot consistently create situations where I can identify what my 
> > issue is with this feature. I have had a few discussions with Apple 
> > Accessibility. I have removed and reset up Face ID, I even removed my app 
> > settings before setting up Face I.D.
> > The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
> > using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
> > Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
> > the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the 
> > assist on this one.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Face I.D

[Mickey Quenzer]

Hello:
As far as using face ID, I find that holding the phone in front of me with the 
display facing my face as if I am reading a book seems to be the best way to 
get Face ID to work.It’s different when you’re laying down if you’re laying 
down then you have to put The phone above your forehead,and aimed towards the 
chin. Hope this helps!


*** MQ ***
***270-776-9871 ***

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Les 
Kriegler 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 3:23:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Face I.D

Hi Wayne,
I appreciate your response, as well as the many recommendations from others on 
this list. I think I finally figured it out! I was holding the phone the same 
way as I do when navigating the screen. My wife encouraged me to hold the phone 
vertically. I can best describe it as the phone being absolutely straight in my 
hand. Holding it in this manner and away from my face now results in Face I.D 
working every time. Now, I've had false positives before, but I really think 
I've cracked it! Again, I really appreciate everybody's suggestions. Simon, you 
mentioned an attention setting which I will look at. As of now, the difference 
is night and day!
Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

Mine works about 90% of the time. I hold my phone like I'm on a Facetime or 
other video call. I do have issues with turning my head the right way when 
approving app downloads or purchases. I usually will rotate my face around 
until I hear the ding to approve the purchase/download. Perhaps an SE phone 
would work better for you. It sounds like you're still in the first 30 day 
period.

Best,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/11/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Mine works the majority of the time, but why I got to this level is
> that someone on this or another iPhone list said to hold the phone
> 12-14 inches away from the face.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face I.D
>
> Hi All,
>
> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More
> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when
> I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I
> cannot consistently create situations where I can identify what my
> issue is with this feature. I have had a few discussions with Apple
> Accessibility. I have removed and reset up Face ID, I even removed my app 
> settings before setting up Face I.D.
> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you
> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that
> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of
> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist 
> on this one.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Les
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RE: Face I.D

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Wayne,
I appreciate your response, as well as the many recommendations from others on 
this list. I think I finally figured it out! I was holding the phone the same 
way as I do when navigating the screen. My wife encouraged me to hold the phone 
vertically. I can best describe it as the phone being absolutely straight in my 
hand. Holding it in this manner and away from my face now results in Face I.D 
working every time. Now, I've had false positives before, but I really think 
I've cracked it! Again, I really appreciate everybody's suggestions. Simon, you 
mentioned an attention setting which I will look at. As of now, the difference 
is night and day!
Best Regards,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face I.D

Mine works about 90% of the time. I hold my phone like I'm on a Facetime or 
other video call. I do have issues with turning my head the right way when 
approving app downloads or purchases. I usually will rotate my face around 
until I hear the ding to approve the purchase/download. Perhaps an SE phone 
would work better for you. It sounds like you're still in the first 30 day 
period.

Best,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/11/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Mine works the majority of the time, but why I got to this level is 
> that someone on this or another iPhone list said to hold the phone 
> 12-14 inches away from the face.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face I.D
>
> Hi All,
>
> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More 
> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when 
> I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I 
> cannot consistently create situations where I can identify what my 
> issue is with this feature. I have had a few discussions with Apple 
> Accessibility. I have removed and reset up Face ID, I even removed my app 
> settings before setting up Face I.D.
> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you 
> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that 
> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of 
> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist 
> on this one.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Les
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RE: Face I.D

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm curious. Why won't you use face ID? If you're face isn't recognized, you 
can always enter your PIN. These two options are not mutually exclusive.

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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 6:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face I.D
> 
> When I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to use face ID at all, just a 
> passcode.  I
> was talking to someone recently at apple accessibility and they told me, that 
> I
> have a choice whether to use face ID at all.
> This was something I didn't know about.  I have the choice of using face ID,
> using a passcode, or turning off all security together where my iPhone 
> wouldn't
> lock at all.  I would never turn off security all together, so when I get a 
> new
> iPhone, I'm not going to enable face ID, but just use a passcode to unlock my
> iPhone.
> 
> On 11/11/20, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:
> > Hi Less, i use Face ID al the time. I put the midel on my nose and far
> > away from my face, i uses an iPhone XS for 2 years and don’t faceing 
> > provlem.
> >
> > נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
> >
> >> ‫ב-11 בנוב׳ 2020, בשעה 11:37, ‏‏Les Kriegler ‏
> >> כתב/ה:‬
> >>
> >> 
> >> Hi All,
> >> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More
> >> often than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works
> >> when I do not expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the
> >> opposite. I cannot consistently create situations where I can
> >> identify what my issue is with this feature. I have had a few
> >> discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset up
> >> Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D.
> >> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you
> >> using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that
> >> Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority of
> >> the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the 
> >> assist
> on this one.
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> >>
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Re: Face I.D

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

On the iPhone X, I found that if I had a lot of light available when setting up 
the scan, Face ID worked better, presumably because it got a better scan. You 
don't have to have any light at all when scanning for Face ID, but it may help 
when doing the initial scans.

Best,
Anna


> On Nov 11, 2020, at 2:37 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Les,
>  
> It works for me on my 11 pro max 99% of the time
> The one thing I’d say to check is that the attention setting is turned off in 
> the face id settings,
>  
> This wants you to look at the camera  to unlock the screen,
>  
> If you turn this off, it takes that requirement away and you can have more 
> luck.
>  
> Note though that this should be disabled / off if you have voiceover on from 
> the start of setup.
>  
> The other thing I’ve found glair from the sun can affect the face id also,
> As well as not pointing it directly towards your face.
>  
> Hope this helps. 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Les 
> Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 November 2020 10:37 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Face I.D
>  
> Hi All,
> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More often than 
> not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when I do not expect 
> it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I cannot consistently 
> create situations where I can identify what my issue is with this feature. I 
> have had a few discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset 
> up Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D. The 
> problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you using Face I.D, 
> on a percentage basis, how often would you say that Face I.D works for you. 
> Second question, if it works the majority of the time, what method did you 
> use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist on this one.
> Best Regards,
>  
> Les
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RE: Face I.D

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Les,

It works for me on my 11 pro max 99% of the time
The one thing I’d say to check is that the attention setting is turned off in 
the face id settings,

This wants you to look at the camera  to unlock the screen,

If you turn this off, it takes that requirement away and you can have more luck.

Note though that this should be disabled / off if you have voiceover on from 
the start of setup.

The other thing I’ve found glair from the sun can affect the face id also,
As well as not pointing it directly towards your face.

Hope this helps.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, 11 November 2020 10:37 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Face I.D

Hi All,
Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More often than 
not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when I do not expect it 
to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I cannot consistently create 
situations where I can identify what my issue is with this feature. I have had 
a few discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset up Face 
ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D. The problem 
persists. So my questions are these. For those of you using Face I.D, on a 
percentage basis, how often would you say that Face I.D works for you. Second 
question, if it works the majority of the time, what method did you use to 
bring this about? Thanks for the assist on this one.
Best Regards,

Les
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Re: Face I.D

[Wayne Merritt]

Mine works about 90% of the time. I hold my phone like I'm on a
Facetime or other video call. I do have issues with turning my head
the right way when approving app downloads or purchases. I usually
will rotate my face around until I hear the ding to approve the
purchase/download. Perhaps an SE phone would work better for you. It
sounds like you're still in the first 30 day period.

Best,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/11/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Mine works the majority of the time, but why I got to this level is that
> someone on this or another iPhone list said to hold the phone 12-14 inches
> away from the face.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:37 AM
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> Subject: Face I.D
>
> Hi All,
>
> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More often than
> not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when I do not expect
> it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I cannot consistently
> create situations where I can identify what my issue is with this feature. I
> have had a few discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and
> reset up Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D.
> The problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you using Face
> I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you say that Face I.D works for
> you. Second question, if it works the majority of the time, what method did
> you use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist on this one.
>
> Best Regards,
>
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> Les
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RE: Face I.D

[Carolyn]

Mine works the majority of the time, but why I got to this level is that 
someone on this or another iPhone list said to hold the phone 12-14 inches away 
from the face. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Face I.D

Hi All,

Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More often than 
not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when I do not expect it 
to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I cannot consistently create 
situations where I can identify what my issue is with this feature. I have had 
a few discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset up Face 
ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D. The problem 
persists. So my questions are these. For those of you using Face I.D, on a 
percentage basis, how often would you say that Face I.D works for you. Second 
question, if it works the majority of the time, what method did you use to 
bring this about? Thanks for the assist on this one.

Best Regards,

 

Les

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Re: Face I.D

[Joshua Hendrickson]

When I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to use face ID at all, just a
passcode.  I was talking to someone recently at apple accessibility
and they told me, that I have a choice whether to use face ID at all.
This was something I didn't know about.  I have the choice of using
face ID, using a passcode, or turning off all security together where
my iPhone wouldn't lock at all.  I would never turn off security all
together, so when I get a new iPhone, I'm not going to enable face ID,
but just use a passcode to unlock my iPhone.

On 11/11/20, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:
> Hi Less, i use Face ID al the time. I put the midel on my nose and far away
> from my face, i uses an iPhone XS for 2 years and don’t faceing provlem.
>
> נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
>
>> ‫ב-11 בנוב׳ 2020, בשעה 11:37, ‏‏Les Kriegler ‏
>> כתב/ה:‬
>>
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More often
>> than not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when I do not
>> expect it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I cannot
>> consistently create situations where I can identify what my issue is with
>> this feature. I have had a few discussions with Apple Accessibility. I
>> have removed and reset up Face ID, I even removed my app settings before
>> setting up Face I.D. The problem persists. So my questions are these. For
>> those of you using Face I.D, on a percentage basis, how often would you
>> say that Face I.D works for you. Second question, if it works the majority
>> of the time, what method did you use to bring this about? Thanks for the
>> assist on this one.
>> Best Regards,
>>
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Re: Face I.D

[ליאל בן סימון]

Hi Less, i use Face ID al the time. I put the midel on my nose and far away 
from my face, i uses an iPhone XS for 2 years and don’t faceing provlem.

נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

> ‫ב-11 בנוב׳ 2020, בשעה 11:37, ‏‏Les Kriegler ‏ כתב/ה:‬
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More often than 
> not, I cannot get Face I.D to work. Sometimes it works when I do not expect 
> it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I cannot consistently 
> create situations where I can identify what my issue is with this feature. I 
> have had a few discussions with Apple Accessibility. I have removed and reset 
> up Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D. The 
> problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you using Face I.D, 
> on a percentage basis, how often would you say that Face I.D works for you. 
> Second question, if it works the majority of the time, what method did you 
> use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist on this one.
> Best Regards,
>  
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Re: Face I.D

[Angie Nutt]

Mine probably works about half to 2 thirds of the time and, like you, sometimes 
when not expected. For some reason it works better in some parts of my house 
than others.

All the best
Angie 

> On 11 Nov 2020, at 09:36, Les Kriegler  wrote:
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> Okay, I have had my new iPhone for about 3 and a half weeks. More often than 
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> it to do so, other times, it’s just the opposite. I cannot consistently 
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> up Face ID, I even removed my app settings before setting up Face I.D. The 
> problem persists. So my questions are these. For those of you using Face I.D, 
> on a percentage basis, how often would you say that Face I.D works for you. 
> Second question, if it works the majority of the time, what method did you 
> use to bring this about? Thanks for the assist on this one.
> Best Regards,
>  
> Les
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