Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
Microsoft does help make the internet more accessible and safer, but this issue is bigger than Microsoft. Mozilla didn't write the Wevvisum plug in for Firefox, that was done by someone other than the browser developer. IE does allow for plugins to be developed. Solving image captchas is just a stop gap solution since captcha technology will keep changing. IMHO, this has to be solved through a combination of technology and advocacy. If it's solved at the browser level then you're leaving out the other browsers, such as Chrome, Safari and so on. If it's solved on a web site by web site basis then there's no reason for Microsoft's competitors, like Google, Apple, Yahoo! and so on to adopt whatever Microsoft comes up with. Microsoft can't dictate what happens on the web or on everyone's desktop like they could 20 years ago, and although this has some down sides, it also has some advantages, such as choice and innovation. On 08/04/2014 07:11 AM, Rose Combs wrote: For heaven sakes, Microsoft is Microsoft, we all have to use it to some extent, especially if we are working. They should be able to help make the web accessible including security stuff. Hackers who to malicious code should have their keyboards zap them! *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Flor Lynch *Sent:* Sunday, August 03, 2014 6:06 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Sorry, but since Microsoft is often a target, in such case I wouldn't 'bank' on it not being broken or hacked into by spammers. - Original Message - *From:*Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:*Sunday, August 03, 2014 11:53 PM *Subject:*RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Well Then Microsoft should make something similar that accomplishes the same thing in my humble opinion. *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Flor Lynch *Sent:* Sunday, August 03, 2014 7:19 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye As for WebVisum the CAPTCHA-solving plugin that work with firefox, they can't get it working with internet Explorer because they don't have access to the Microsoft coding for IE and it would be too expensive for them to get it. that was the story there, and i think it still is. SomeCAPTCHA's are harder to resolve, because they are dynamic (i.e. changing within a short time), than others are. - Original Message - *From:*Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:*Sunday, August 03, 2014 1:31 PM *Subject:*RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye They need to make security accessible with alternatives that work for everyone, not just those with eyes to see it with. I thought I had an account, but it does not work and I suppose maybe I could use the one my husband had, might work if only I knew the password for it but someone night get suspicious since he is no longer on my bank account. Kind of difficult for him to use his account since he passed in May. Good thing I guess since he can't spend on more junk. I will always maintain that if a CAPTCHA is of necessity then there needs to be a solid reasonable way for someone who can't read it to be able to use an alternative that isn't difficult to use. I don't care what browser is used, it should have an alternative. There are lots of elderly persons out there on the internet that can't see enough to read those things, what do they do whether they use magnification software, screen readers or large monitors. Isn't this what accessibility is all about, access for everyone? Don't get me started, I have one very difficult time getting Google's audible to work, it was so fuzzy it took weeks before I finally got a code I could type in fast enough not to generate another one and it was more dumb luck than skill that finally got me in. My late husband had trouble reading it also and give up on it long before I did. They left me no way to communicate the difficulty. Great search engine, no customer support that I know of, no way to let them know one can't understand the audible they provide. I mostly use it for this account and my searches, have no real interest in trying other features that may make me encounter that process again. I should not have to have a specific browser, one I don't personally trust all that much
Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
Thanks Sieghard and all, we're all sorted now and Rose has the pre-order done. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 5/08/2014, at 5:08 pm, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello Rose and Betty, Jonathan offered to call you and to take your information over the phone. In order to make this as easy as possible, here is a link which takes you directly to the Contact form on Jonathan's website. All you have to enter is your name, your email and the nature of your inquiry. Since Jonathan is already expecting your message, I'm sure all you have to do is say that you are contacting him regarding his book and could he please call you at whatever your number is so you can give him your information. I guess if you write your mailing address in the message that is one piece of information you don't have to give him over the phone. Here is the link, make sure you let him know what time zone you are in and what a good time is for him to call, Jonathan is very accommodating and I'm sure he will do his best to do this for you. http://mosen.org/index.php/contact-jonathan Regards, Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
Amen! Glad she was able to get it done! Lucy Edmonds From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 2:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Thanks Sieghard and all, we're all sorted now and Rose has the pre-order done. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 5/08/2014, at 5:08 pm, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.camailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello Rose and Betty, Jonathan offered to call you and to take your information over the phone. In order to make this as easy as possible, here is a link which takes you directly to the Contact form on Jonathan's website. All you have to enter is your name, your email and the nature of your inquiry. Since Jonathan is already expecting your message, I'm sure all you have to do is say that you are contacting him regarding his book and could he please call you at whatever your number is so you can give him your information. I guess if you write your mailing address in the message that is one piece of information you don't have to give him over the phone. Here is the link, make sure you let him know what time zone you are in and what a good time is for him to call, Jonathan is very accommodating and I'm sure he will do his best to do this for you. http://mosen.org/index.php/contact-jonathan Regards, Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
I tried once again, now giving up, I will figure it out, not wanting to send a physical check to anyone. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 4:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I don't want to send money through the mail, and do not want to write a check. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 6:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye So, hear's an idea, Rose. Since you are having so much difficulty getting this done, why not ask if someone could order it for you and have it sent to you and you send them the money? Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 7:55 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I did all you suggested more than once. It just did not work but in a few days when I have time I will try once again. I never truly intended to get an account and now that I know it has a CAPTCHA it is definitely not in my immediate future. I will try the guest option one more time but not today. Off to work. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi Rose, very sorry to hear you're having problems setting up a Pay Pal account. The good news though is that it's not necessary to have a Pay Pal account to buy through Pay Pal. There is an option to enter your credit card number, and a good number of people are purchasing that way. With this method there is no captcha to complete or anything like that. These steps should work on most sites that accept Pay Pal but I'll try and offer a step-by-step for purchasing iOS 8 Without the Eye. Here's how it should work. Choose the add to cart button on the Mosen Consulting site. You'll then be taken to a page verifying your purchase. Be sure to verify the quantity is correct, particularly if you've tried unsuccessfully to purchase before. Activate the button labelled Make Payments with Pay Pal, it's fast, free and secure. You're then taken to Pay Pal's site. Navigate past the log-in form for Pay Pal, since you don't have a Pay Pal account his is irrelevant. Then you'll find a button labelled pay with a credit or debit card, or bill me later. Activate that button. You're then taken to a standard credit/debit card form which is fully accessible and has no captcha. If you have trouble, and and you'd like me to help, please feel free to use the contact form on the website, and we can organise a time for me to call you and take your credit card number. Obviously that applies to anyone having issues. Hope that's of some help. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 3/08/2014, at 8:17 am, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won't be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can't solve, no audible line. They don't want my business then. At this time I don't have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don't particularly trust right now I won't be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn't like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio CAPTCHA; or use WebVisum with Firefox, to resolve it. So, CAPTCHA solutions for iPhone? I was already signed up when I got a smartphone. - Original Message - From
RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
For heaven sakes, Microsoft is Microsoft, we all have to use it to some extent, especially if we are working. They should be able to help make the web accessible including security stuff. Hackers who to malicious code should have their keyboards zap them! From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 6:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Sorry, but since Microsoft is often a target, in such case I wouldn't 'bank' on it not being broken or hacked into by spammers. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 11:53 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Well Then Microsoft should make something similar that accomplishes the same thing in my humble opinion. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 7:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye As for WebVisum the CAPTCHA-solving plugin that work with firefox, they can't get it working with internet Explorer because they don't have access to the Microsoft coding for IE and it would be too expensive for them to get it. that was the story there, and i think it still is. SomeCAPTCHA's are harder to resolve, because they are dynamic (i.e. changing within a short time), than others are. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 1:31 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye They need to make security accessible with alternatives that work for everyone, not just those with eyes to see it with. I thought I had an account, but it does not work and I suppose maybe I could use the one my husband had, might work if only I knew the password for it but someone night get suspicious since he is no longer on my bank account. Kind of difficult for him to use his account since he passed in May. Good thing I guess since he can't spend on more junk. I will always maintain that if a CAPTCHA is of necessity then there needs to be a solid reasonable way for someone who can't read it to be able to use an alternative that isn't difficult to use. I don't care what browser is used, it should have an alternative. There are lots of elderly persons out there on the internet that can't see enough to read those things, what do they do whether they use magnification software, screen readers or large monitors. Isn't this what accessibility is all about, access for everyone? Don't get me started, I have one very difficult time getting Google's audible to work, it was so fuzzy it took weeks before I finally got a code I could type in fast enough not to generate another one and it was more dumb luck than skill that finally got me in. My late husband had trouble reading it also and give up on it long before I did. They left me no way to communicate the difficulty. Great search engine, no customer support that I know of, no way to let them know one can't understand the audible they provide. I mostly use it for this account and my searches, have no real interest in trying other features that may make me encounter that process again. I should not have to have a specific browser, one I don't personally trust all that much, and a specific plug-in, a plug-in, yes but it should work with any browser. I should not have to figure out how to get the image to some site that no longer works, and if websites wish to keep doing this they should be paying for solutions, not me. It is my right to have access,. OK, I am off the soapbox for now. It is a hot button for me, has from its conception and implementation. I understand security but it needs to work for every person not just those who can see the graphic and manage to get it in fast enough for it to be accepted. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye If and when you do get the payPal issue sorted out, be assured that it'll be worth it. they and we need security, so some sort of verification code is necessary to authenticate the user. For one-off payments, sometimes a credit card is a preferred option. I think I remember coming across that option when I got iOS7 Without the eyes. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 9:51 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I am giving up, can't get in as a guest it keeps running in circles when all fields are full with correct info
RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
Not going to post office, nearest one is too far to walk in 110 heat. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 6:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye A postel order then, which you can get from your Post office? (I don't know how that operates in the USA, but sending money through mail 'cheque or postal order' are the usually guaranteed methods. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 12:14 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I don't want to send money through the mail, and do not want to write a check. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 6:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye So, hear's an idea, Rose. Since you are having so much difficulty getting this done, why not ask if someone could order it for you and have it sent to you and you send them the money? Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 7:55 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I did all you suggested more than once. It just did not work but in a few days when I have time I will try once again. I never truly intended to get an account and now that I know it has a CAPTCHA it is definitely not in my immediate future. I will try the guest option one more time but not today. Off to work. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi Rose, very sorry to hear you're having problems setting up a Pay Pal account. The good news though is that it's not necessary to have a Pay Pal account to buy through Pay Pal. There is an option to enter your credit card number, and a good number of people are purchasing that way. With this method there is no captcha to complete or anything like that. These steps should work on most sites that accept Pay Pal but I'll try and offer a step-by-step for purchasing iOS 8 Without the Eye. Here's how it should work. Choose the add to cart button on the Mosen Consulting site. You'll then be taken to a page verifying your purchase. Be sure to verify the quantity is correct, particularly if you've tried unsuccessfully to purchase before. Activate the button labelled Make Payments with Pay Pal, it's fast, free and secure. You're then taken to Pay Pal's site. Navigate past the log-in form for Pay Pal, since you don't have a Pay Pal account his is irrelevant. Then you'll find a button labelled pay with a credit or debit card, or bill me later. Activate that button. You're then taken to a standard credit/debit card form which is fully accessible and has no captcha. If you have trouble, and and you'd like me to help, please feel free to use the contact form on the website, and we can organise a time for me to call you and take your credit card number. Obviously that applies to anyone having issues. Hope that's of some help. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 3/08/2014, at 8:17 am, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won't be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can't solve, no audible line. They don't want my business then. At this time I don't have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don't particularly trust right now I won't be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn't like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM
RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
Hi, Have you tried simply paying with your credit card? Its an option. Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 8:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I tried once again, now giving up, I will figure it out, not wanting to send a physical check to anyone. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 4:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I don't want to send money through the mail, and do not want to write a check. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 6:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye So, hear's an idea, Rose. Since you are having so much difficulty getting this done, why not ask if someone could order it for you and have it sent to you and you send them the money? Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 7:55 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I did all you suggested more than once. It just did not work but in a few days when I have time I will try once again. I never truly intended to get an account and now that I know it has a CAPTCHA it is definitely not in my immediate future. I will try the guest option one more time but not today. Off to work. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi Rose, very sorry to hear you're having problems setting up a Pay Pal account. The good news though is that it's not necessary to have a Pay Pal account to buy through Pay Pal. There is an option to enter your credit card number, and a good number of people are purchasing that way. With this method there is no captcha to complete or anything like that. These steps should work on most sites that accept Pay Pal but I'll try and offer a step-by-step for purchasing iOS 8 Without the Eye. Here's how it should work. Choose the add to cart button on the Mosen Consulting site. You'll then be taken to a page verifying your purchase. Be sure to verify the quantity is correct, particularly if you've tried unsuccessfully to purchase before. Activate the button labelled Make Payments with Pay Pal, it's fast, free and secure. You're then taken to Pay Pal's site. Navigate past the log-in form for Pay Pal, since you don't have a Pay Pal account his is irrelevant. Then you'll find a button labelled pay with a credit or debit card, or bill me later. Activate that button. You're then taken to a standard credit/debit card form which is fully accessible and has no captcha. If you have trouble, and and you'd like me to help, please feel free to use the contact form on the website, and we can organise a time for me to call you and take your credit card number. Obviously that applies to anyone having issues. Hope that's of some help. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 3/08/2014, at 8:17 am, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won't be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can't solve, no audible line. They don't want my business then. At this time I don't have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don't particularly trust right now I won't be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn't like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
Hello Rose and Betty, Jonathan offered to call you and to take your information over the phone. In order to make this as easy as possible, here is a link which takes you directly to the Contact form on Jonathan's website. All you have to enter is your name, your email and the nature of your inquiry. Since Jonathan is already expecting your message, I'm sure all you have to do is say that you are contacting him regarding his book and could he please call you at whatever your number is so you can give him your information. I guess if you write your mailing address in the message that is one piece of information you don't have to give him over the phone. Here is the link, make sure you let him know what time zone you are in and what a good time is for him to call, Jonathan is very accommodating and I'm sure he will do his best to do this for you. http://mosen.org/index.php/contact-jonathan Regards, Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi Rose, very sorry to hear you're having problems setting up a Pay Pal account. The good news though is that it's not necessary to have a Pay Pal account to buy through Pay Pal. There is an option to enter your credit card number, and a good number of people are purchasing that way. With this method there is no captcha to complete or anything like that. These steps should work on most sites that accept Pay Pal but I'll try and offer a step-by-step for purchasing iOS 8 Without the Eye. Here's how it should work. Choose the add to cart button on the Mosen Consulting site. You'll then be taken to a page verifying your purchase. Be sure to verify the quantity is correct, particularly if you've tried unsuccessfully to purchase before. Activate the button labelled Make Payments with Pay Pal, it's fast, free and secure. You're then taken to Pay Pal's site. Navigate past the log-in form for Pay Pal, since you don't have a Pay Pal account his is irrelevant. Then you'll find a button labelled pay with a credit or debit card, or bill me later. Activate that button. You're then taken to a standard credit/debit card form which is fully accessible and has no captcha. If you have trouble, and and you'd like me to help, please feel free to use the contact form on the website, and we can organise a time for me to call you and take your credit card number. Obviously that applies to anyone having issues. Hope that's of some help. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 3/08/2014, at 8:17 am, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won't be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can't solve, no audible line. They don't want my business then. At this time I don't have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don't particularly trust right now I won't be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn't like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio CAPTCHA; or use WebVisum with Firefox, to resolve it. So, CAPTCHA solutions for iPhone? I was already signed up when I got a smartphone. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:23 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye No, this is trying to sign up, have not been asked credit card info yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Is this when you are putting in your payment information? If so, the security code is the one for your debit or credit card. If it is asking for a code, I think it probably isn't another security question. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: There is one place in trying to fill this out, says security then asks for code. I have no idea what I am supposed to put, and since I don't it keeps returning me to the top of the form. My internet was down all day and now it seems I can't sign up for PayPal without another security question. Bank this afternoon had me going crazy trying to answer these things but at least someone else was doing the mousing. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone
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Well, may try in a few days but for now not happy about nothing on that sight working. I know that unless I can get the iPhone app to work better, I won't be applying for an account, I have been using the PC, maybe my mistake but it has a real keyboard so faster for me. It falls into line with the past couple of months, nothing is easy, nothing quite works the way I expected. It is one reason I am not willing to put Firefox on this computer, my cousin put Chrome on, and when he told me I told him not to open it or I'd have problems later. He was in a huff about it. I use IE at work, have used it since it came with Windows whatever version and I pretty much know how it works. I use Jaws always as up to date as it can be, have since I bought it in 1998, it isn't like I don't know how to use it and on that guest page, I read from top to bottom with virtual and Jaws cursors and found no reason why the info I entered should not have been accepted. After the past week if I were into it I'd say it is a conspiracy to keep me from spending one dime even though I have more than that in my accounts. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kathy and Wilda Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 1:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I also just tried and I had the same problem. I wrote them and they said they were not having problems with the Guest PayPal. I will try again tomorrow. I had a similar problem with the IOS7 but got it to work. Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won't be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can't solve, no audible line. They don't want my business then. At this time I don't have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don't particularly trust right now I won't be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn't like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio CAPTCHA; or use WebVisum with Firefox, to resolve it. So, CAPTCHA solutions for iPhone? I was already signed up when I got a smartphone. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:23 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye No, this is trying to sign up, have not been asked credit card info yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Is this when you are putting in your payment information? If so, the security code is the one for your debit or credit card. If it is asking for a code, I think it probably isn't another security question. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: There is one place in trying to fill this out, says security then asks for code. I have no idea what I am supposed to put, and since I don't it keeps returning me to the top of the form. My internet was down all day and now it seems I can't sign up for PayPal
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I did, filled in all fields, checked it multiple times, pressed continue and it went right back to the same page, all fields filled in. I have many things to be doing, I can't spend hours trying something that never works for me. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi rose. Thought I'd weigh in here. I ordered the book on Jonathan's site with no problem at all. You don't have to fool with pay pal at all even though it looks like you do. After you enter on guest, just choose the option for credit card and enter your card info just like you would for any order on the web and it should go just fine. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 3:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won't be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can't solve, no audible line. They don't want my business then. At this time I don't have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don't particularly trust right now I won't be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn't like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio CAPTCHA; or use WebVisum with Firefox, to resolve it. So, CAPTCHA solutions for iPhone? I was already signed up when I got a smartphone. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:23 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye No, this is trying to sign up, have not been asked credit card info yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Is this when you are putting in your payment information? If so, the security code is the one for your debit or credit card. If it is asking for a code, I think it probably isn't another security question. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: There is one place in trying to fill this out, says security then asks for code. I have no idea what I am supposed to put, and since I don't it keeps returning me to the top of the form. My internet was down all day and now it seems I can't sign up for PayPal without another security question. Bank this afternoon had me going crazy trying to answer these things but at least someone else was doing the mousing. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:09 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Go to http://www.paypal.com/ http://www.paypal.com - Original Message - From: mailto:roseco...@q.com Rose Combs To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye How do you find PayPal's site, I tried
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I don’t have an account, since it has a CAPTCHA, I probably don’t want an account, I do my best to avoid most sites that have one without an alternative way to translate the image, If I can’t I used to have help now I don’t. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Feliciano G Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:21 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I purchased the book with no problems when J Mosen posted this. Payed with my paypal account using the safari browser on the iphone. Regards, Feliciano Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Aug 2, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Larry Lumpkin llump...@austin.rr.com wrote: Hi rose. Thought I’d weigh in here. I ordered the book on Jonathan’s site with no problem at all. You don’t have to fool with pay pal at all even though it looks like you do. After you enter on “guest”, just choose the option for credit card and enter your card info just like you would for any order on the web and it should go just fine. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 3:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won’t be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can’t solve, no audible line. They don’t want my business then. At this time I don’t have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don’t particularly trust right now I won’t be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn’t like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio CAPTCHA; or use WebVisum with Firefox, to resolve it. So, CAPTCHA solutions for iPhone? I was already signed up when I got a smartphone. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:23 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye No, this is trying to sign up, have not been asked credit card info yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Is this when you are putting in your payment information? If so, the security code is the one for your debit or credit card. If it is asking for a code, I think it probably isn't another security question. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: There is one place in trying to fill this out, says security then asks for code. I have no idea what I am supposed to put, and since I don’t it keeps returning me to the top of the form. My internet was down all day and now it seems I can’t sign up for PayPal without another security question. Bank this afternoon had me going crazy trying to answer these things but at least someone else was doing the mousing. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:09 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without
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The one thing that I would point out is that when I tried twice to order the book, both times the quantity of books to be ordered was pre set at 5 so be careful to re set the quantity of books to be ordered to 1(or whatever quantity is desired). The option to pay with a credit card is located right after the option to use pay pal. Sent from my iPad On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: I don’t have an account, since it has a CAPTCHA, I probably don’t want an account, I do my best to avoid most sites that have one without an alternative way to translate the image, If I can’t I used to have help now I don’t. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Feliciano G Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:21 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I purchased the book with no problems when J Mosen posted this. Payed with my paypal account using the safari browser on the iphone. Regards, Feliciano Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Aug 2, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Larry Lumpkin llump...@austin.rr.com wrote: Hi rose. Thought I’d weigh in here. I ordered the book on Jonathan’s site with no problem at all. You don’t have to fool with pay pal at all even though it looks like you do. After you enter on “guest”, just choose the option for credit card and enter your card info just like you would for any order on the web and it should go just fine. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 3:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won’t be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can’t solve, no audible line. They don’t want my business then. At this time I don’t have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don’t particularly trust right now I won’t be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn’t like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio CAPTCHA; or use WebVisum with Firefox, to resolve it. So, CAPTCHA solutions for iPhone? I was already signed up when I got a smartphone. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:23 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye No, this is trying to sign up, have not been asked credit card info yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Is this when you are putting in your payment information? If so, the security code is the one for your debit or credit card. If it is asking for a code, I think it probably isn't another security question. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: There is one place in trying to fill this out, says security then asks for code. I have no idea what I am supposed to put, and since I don’t it keeps returning me to the top of the form. My internet was down all day and now it seems I can’t sign up for PayPal without another security
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They need to make security accessible with alternatives that work for everyone, not just those with eyes to see it with. I thought I had an account, but it does not work and I suppose maybe I could use the one my husband had, might work if only I knew the password for it but someone night get suspicious since he is no longer on my bank account. Kind of difficult for him to use his account since he passed in May. Good thing I guess since he can't spend on more junk. I will always maintain that if a CAPTCHA is of necessity then there needs to be a solid reasonable way for someone who can't read it to be able to use an alternative that isn't difficult to use. I don't care what browser is used, it should have an alternative. There are lots of elderly persons out there on the internet that can't see enough to read those things, what do they do whether they use magnification software, screen readers or large monitors. Isn't this what accessibility is all about, access for everyone? Don't get me started, I have one very difficult time getting Google's audible to work, it was so fuzzy it took weeks before I finally got a code I could type in fast enough not to generate another one and it was more dumb luck than skill that finally got me in. My late husband had trouble reading it also and give up on it long before I did. They left me no way to communicate the difficulty. Great search engine, no customer support that I know of, no way to let them know one can't understand the audible they provide. I mostly use it for this account and my searches, have no real interest in trying other features that may make me encounter that process again. I should not have to have a specific browser, one I don't personally trust all that much, and a specific plug-in, a plug-in, yes but it should work with any browser. I should not have to figure out how to get the image to some site that no longer works, and if websites wish to keep doing this they should be paying for solutions, not me. It is my right to have access,. OK, I am off the soapbox for now. It is a hot button for me, has from its conception and implementation. I understand security but it needs to work for every person not just those who can see the graphic and manage to get it in fast enough for it to be accepted. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye If and when you do get the payPal issue sorted out, be assured that it'll be worth it. they and we need security, so some sort of verification code is necessary to authenticate the user. For one-off payments, sometimes a credit card is a preferred option. I think I remember coming across that option when I got iOS7 Without the eyes. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 9:51 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I am giving up, can't get in as a guest it keeps running in circles when all fields are full with correct info and when I tried to sign up ran into an ugly Captcha, I am so very disappointed but I cannot spend days trying to get this to work. Load of other things to do related to family issues, or more relevant to the lack of a family member. I had someone else to help last year, albeit from a hospital bed. Same on PayPal something isn't right there and no clues, except last night it told me it did not like my city, well I have lived here for 39 years, it isn't going anywhere. Sorry, frustrated because something that should easy and inexpensive to get isn't working for me. Enough said, for now. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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I was using the PC rather than the iPhone for this process, always my choice if a lot of typing is needed, I have a Bluetooth keyboard, but still I really would prefer using the regular keyboard when possible. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye has anyone tried the Rumola CAPTCHA solution service? It is supposed to be able to work on iPhone. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 9:51 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I am giving up, can't get in as a guest it keeps running in circles when all fields are full with correct info and when I tried to sign up ran into an ugly Captcha, I am so very disappointed but I cannot spend days trying to get this to work. Load of other things to do related to family issues, or more relevant to the lack of a family member. I had someone else to help last year, albeit from a hospital bed. Same on PayPal something isn't right there and no clues, except last night it told me it did not like my city, well I have lived here for 39 years, it isn't going anywhere. Sorry, frustrated because something that should easy and inexpensive to get isn't working for me. Enough said, for now. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
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Rose, Many sites, including Google, have an alternative way which is to have a text sent to your phone with the code. I have used this method several times for different things. That option is usually listed below the visual and audio codes. Lois Lois Butterfield, Certified Scentsy Consultant http://loisbutterfield.scentsy.us lbutterfie...@cfl.rr.com 407-276-4173 Wonderful scents without the flame. From: Rose Combs Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 8:31 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye They need to make security accessible with alternatives that work for everyone, not just those with eyes to see it with. I thought I had an account, but it does not work and I suppose maybe I could use the one my husband had, might work if only I knew the password for it but someone night get suspicious since he is no longer on my bank account. Kind of difficult for him to use his account since he passed in May. Good thing I guess since he can’t spend on more junk. I will always maintain that if a CAPTCHA is of necessity then there needs to be a solid reasonable way for someone who can’t read it to be able to use an alternative that isn’t difficult to use. I don’t care what browser is used, it should have an alternative. There are lots of elderly persons out there on the internet that can’t see enough to read those things, what do they do whether they use magnification software, screen readers or large monitors. Isn’t this what accessibility is all about, access for everyone? Don’t get me started, I have one very difficult time getting Google’s audible to work, it was so fuzzy it took weeks before I finally got a code I could type in fast enough not to generate another one and it was more dumb luck than skill that finally got me in. My late husband had trouble reading it also and give up on it long before I did. They left me no way to communicate the difficulty. Great search engine, no customer support that I know of, no way to let them know one can’t understand the audible they provide. I mostly use it for this account and my searches, have no real interest in trying other features that may make me encounter that process again. I should not have to have a specific browser, one I don’t personally trust all that much, and a specific plug-in, a plug-in, yes but it should work with any browser. I should not have to figure out how to get the image to some site that no longer works, and if websites wish to keep doing this they should be paying for solutions, not me. It is my right to have access,. OK, I am off the soapbox for now. It is a hot button for me, has from its conception and implementation. I understand security but it needs to work for every person not just those who can see the graphic and manage to get it in fast enough for it to be accepted. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye If and when you do get the payPal issue sorted out, be assured that it'll be worth it. they and we need security, so some sort of verification code is necessary to authenticate the user. For one-off payments, sometimes a credit card is a preferred option. I think I remember coming across that option when I got iOS7 Without the eyes. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 9:51 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I am giving up, can’t get in as a guest it keeps running in circles when all fields are full with correct info and when I tried to sign up ran into an ugly Captcha, I am so very disappointed but I cannot spend days trying to get this to work. Load of other things to do related to family issues, or more relevant to the lack of a family member. I had someone else to help last year, albeit from a hospital bed. Same on PayPal something isn’t right there and no clues, except last night it told me it did not like my city, well I have lived here for 39 years, it isn’t going anywhere. Sorry, frustrated because something that should easy and inexpensive to get isn’t working for me. Enough said, for now. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done
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To respond to Rose's comment about partially sighted people, I am someone who is losing my vision and I can tell you that it is no pleasure to navigate these sites with the vision I have left. Most people that I know who are partially sighted try to use whatever vision they have and it really is not that much help to magnify the print, even many times. My complaint is that most sites are not organized well so that it can be difficult to find the information you need to make the purchase and when you call customer service, often I end up in tears. So basically, as someone who is partially sighted, I have the options to get sighted help which is something I try not to do, give up on the purchase or spend a lot of time navigating the site yourself or on the phone with customer service. That is why I gave up my audible subscription and now only get books from bard or book share which I have found are sites that I can navigate without assistance. My suggestion to Mr. Mosen would be to put the information and a link to pre order his book at the very beginning of his site so that Partially sighted people don't need to navigate to the consulting store tab to order the book. Making things as easily findable as possible for the partially sighted community would be a help, especially for those of us who did not grow up with assistive technology and have to learn it as adults. Michelle Sent from my iPad On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:31 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: They need to make security accessible with alternatives that work for everyone, not just those with eyes to see it with. I thought I had an account, but it does not work and I suppose maybe I could use the one my husband had, might work if only I knew the password for it but someone night get suspicious since he is no longer on my bank account. Kind of difficult for him to use his account since he passed in May. Good thing I guess since he can’t spend on more junk. I will always maintain that if a CAPTCHA is of necessity then there needs to be a solid reasonable way for someone who can’t read it to be able to use an alternative that isn’t difficult to use. I don’t care what browser is used, it should have an alternative. There are lots of elderly persons out there on the internet that can’t see enough to read those things, what do they do whether they use magnification software, screen readers or large monitors. Isn’t this what accessibility is all about, access for everyone? Don’t get me started, I have one very difficult time getting Google’s audible to work, it was so fuzzy it took weeks before I finally got a code I could type in fast enough not to generate another one and it was more dumb luck than skill that finally got me in. My late husband had trouble reading it also and give up on it long before I did. They left me no way to communicate the difficulty. Great search engine, no customer support that I know of, no way to let them know one can’t understand the audible they provide. I mostly use it for this account and my searches, have no real interest in trying other features that may make me encounter that process again. I should not have to have a specific browser, one I don’t personally trust all that much, and a specific plug-in, a plug-in, yes but it should work with any browser. I should not have to figure out how to get the image to some site that no longer works, and if websites wish to keep doing this they should be paying for solutions, not me. It is my right to have access,. OK, I am off the soapbox for now. It is a hot button for me, has from its conception and implementation. I understand security but it needs to work for every person not just those who can see the graphic and manage to get it in fast enough for it to be accepted. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye If and when you do get the payPal issue sorted out, be assured that it'll be worth it. they and we need security, so some sort of verification code is necessary to authenticate the user. For one-off payments, sometimes a credit card is a preferred option. I think I remember coming across that option when I got iOS7 Without the eyes. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 9:51 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I am giving up, can’t get in as a guest it keeps running in circles when all fields are full with correct info and when I tried to sign up ran into an ugly Captcha, I am so very disappointed but I cannot spend days trying to get this to work. Load of other things to do related to family issues, or more relevant to the lack
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I did all you suggested more than once. It just did not work but in a few days when I have time I will try once again. I never truly intended to get an account and now that I know it has a CAPTCHA it is definitely not in my immediate future. I will try the guest option one more time but not today. Off to work. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi Rose, very sorry to hear you're having problems setting up a Pay Pal account. The good news though is that it's not necessary to have a Pay Pal account to buy through Pay Pal. There is an option to enter your credit card number, and a good number of people are purchasing that way. With this method there is no captcha to complete or anything like that. These steps should work on most sites that accept Pay Pal but I'll try and offer a step-by-step for purchasing iOS 8 Without the Eye. Here's how it should work. Choose the add to cart button on the Mosen Consulting site. You'll then be taken to a page verifying your purchase. Be sure to verify the quantity is correct, particularly if you've tried unsuccessfully to purchase before. Activate the button labelled Make Payments with Pay Pal, it's fast, free and secure. You're then taken to Pay Pal's site. Navigate past the log-in form for Pay Pal, since you don't have a Pay Pal account his is irrelevant. Then you'll find a button labelled pay with a credit or debit card, or bill me later. Activate that button. You're then taken to a standard credit/debit card form which is fully accessible and has no captcha. If you have trouble, and and you'd like me to help, please feel free to use the contact form on the website, and we can organise a time for me to call you and take your credit card number. Obviously that applies to anyone having issues. Hope that's of some help. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 3/08/2014, at 8:17 am, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won't be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can't solve, no audible line. They don't want my business then. At this time I don't have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don't particularly trust right now I won't be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn't like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio CAPTCHA; or use WebVisum with Firefox, to resolve it. So, CAPTCHA solutions for iPhone? I was already signed up when I got a smartphone. - Original Message - From: mailto:roseco...@q.com Rose Combs To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:23 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye No, this is trying to sign up, have not been asked credit card info yet. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:52 PM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Is this when you are putting in your payment information? If so, the security code is the one for your debit or credit card. If it is asking for a code, I think it probably isn't another security question. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call
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Yes, and when it gets to my phone it reads out a huge number that I have no way of figuring out in time to reenter it. Just had this problem with the bank a couple of weeks ago, some 10-digit code that read millions, thousands etc. and by the time I set for Characters and managed to get back to the spot where those numbers were the code expired and I had to start all over again. My phone then reset itself from characters to headings for some reason and after about 9 tries I finally got the number entered in the computer so I could access the account from it again, new computer for me. It should have taken a couple of minutes and it took me 45 minutes to get this done. I was once very good with the phone, now, it seems to take my mind forever to figure out what I need to do when, stress I hope. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lois Butterfield Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 5:37 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Rose, Many sites, including Google, have an alternative way which is to have a text sent to your phone with the code. I have used this method several times for different things. That option is usually listed below the visual and audio codes. Lois Lois Butterfield, Certified Scentsy Consultant http://loisbutterfield.scentsy.us lbutterfie...@cfl.rr.com 407-276-4173 Wonderful scents without the flame. From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 8:31 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye They need to make security accessible with alternatives that work for everyone, not just those with eyes to see it with. I thought I had an account, but it does not work and I suppose maybe I could use the one my husband had, might work if only I knew the password for it but someone night get suspicious since he is no longer on my bank account. Kind of difficult for him to use his account since he passed in May. Good thing I guess since he can’t spend on more junk. I will always maintain that if a CAPTCHA is of necessity then there needs to be a solid reasonable way for someone who can’t read it to be able to use an alternative that isn’t difficult to use. I don’t care what browser is used, it should have an alternative. There are lots of elderly persons out there on the internet that can’t see enough to read those things, what do they do whether they use magnification software, screen readers or large monitors. Isn’t this what accessibility is all about, access for everyone? Don’t get me started, I have one very difficult time getting Google’s audible to work, it was so fuzzy it took weeks before I finally got a code I could type in fast enough not to generate another one and it was more dumb luck than skill that finally got me in. My late husband had trouble reading it also and give up on it long before I did. They left me no way to communicate the difficulty. Great search engine, no customer support that I know of, no way to let them know one can’t understand the audible they provide. I mostly use it for this account and my searches, have no real interest in trying other features that may make me encounter that process again. I should not have to have a specific browser, one I don’t personally trust all that much, and a specific plug-in, a plug-in, yes but it should work with any browser. I should not have to figure out how to get the image to some site that no longer works, and if websites wish to keep doing this they should be paying for solutions, not me. It is my right to have access,. OK, I am off the soapbox for now. It is a hot button for me, has from its conception and implementation. I understand security but it needs to work for every person not just those who can see the graphic and manage to get it in fast enough for it to be accepted. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye If and when you do get the payPal issue sorted out, be assured that it'll be worth it. they and we need security, so some sort of verification code is necessary to authenticate the user. For one-off payments, sometimes a credit card is a preferred option. I think I remember coming across that option when I got iOS7 Without the eyes. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 9:51 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I am giving up, can’t get in as a guest it keeps running in circles when all fields are full with correct info and when I tried to sign up ran into an ugly Captcha, I am so very
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I have no vision at all, but I appreciate your comments. My late husband was partially sighted and always read the site even when I put a copy of Jaws on his computer, he used it to read long articles, but never to surf the web or purchase anything. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle Bernstein Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 5:54 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye To respond to Rose's comment about partially sighted people, I am someone who is losing my vision and I can tell you that it is no pleasure to navigate these sites with the vision I have left. Most people that I know who are partially sighted try to use whatever vision they have and it really is not that much help to magnify the print, even many times. My complaint is that most sites are not organized well so that it can be difficult to find the information you need to make the purchase and when you call customer service, often I end up in tears. So basically, as someone who is partially sighted, I have the options to get sighted help which is something I try not to do, give up on the purchase or spend a lot of time navigating the site yourself or on the phone with customer service. That is why I gave up my audible subscription and now only get books from bard or book share which I have found are sites that I can navigate without assistance. My suggestion to Mr. Mosen would be to put the information and a link to pre order his book at the very beginning of his site so that Partially sighted people don't need to navigate to the consulting store tab to order the book. Making things as easily findable as possible for the partially sighted community would be a help, especially for those of us who did not grow up with assistive technology and have to learn it as adults. Michelle Sent from my iPad On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:31 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: They need to make security accessible with alternatives that work for everyone, not just those with eyes to see it with. I thought I had an account, but it does not work and I suppose maybe I could use the one my husband had, might work if only I knew the password for it but someone night get suspicious since he is no longer on my bank account. Kind of difficult for him to use his account since he passed in May. Good thing I guess since he can’t spend on more junk. I will always maintain that if a CAPTCHA is of necessity then there needs to be a solid reasonable way for someone who can’t read it to be able to use an alternative that isn’t difficult to use. I don’t care what browser is used, it should have an alternative. There are lots of elderly persons out there on the internet that can’t see enough to read those things, what do they do whether they use magnification software, screen readers or large monitors. Isn’t this what accessibility is all about, access for everyone? Don’t get me started, I have one very difficult time getting Google’s audible to work, it was so fuzzy it took weeks before I finally got a code I could type in fast enough not to generate another one and it was more dumb luck than skill that finally got me in. My late husband had trouble reading it also and give up on it long before I did. They left me no way to communicate the difficulty. Great search engine, no customer support that I know of, no way to let them know one can’t understand the audible they provide. I mostly use it for this account and my searches, have no real interest in trying other features that may make me encounter that process again. I should not have to have a specific browser, one I don’t personally trust all that much, and a specific plug-in, a plug-in, yes but it should work with any browser. I should not have to figure out how to get the image to some site that no longer works, and if websites wish to keep doing this they should be paying for solutions, not me. It is my right to have access,. OK, I am off the soapbox for now. It is a hot button for me, has from its conception and implementation. I understand security but it needs to work for every person not just those who can see the graphic and manage to get it in fast enough for it to be accepted. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye If and when you do get the payPal issue sorted out, be assured that it'll be worth it. they and we need security, so some sort of verification code is necessary to authenticate the user. For one-off payments, sometimes a credit card is a preferred option. I think I remember coming across that option when I got iOS7 Without the eyes. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs
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So, hear's an idea, Rose. Since you are having so much difficulty getting this done, why not ask if someone could order it for you and have it sent to you and you send them the money? Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 7:55 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I did all you suggested more than once. It just did not work but in a few days when I have time I will try once again. I never truly intended to get an account and now that I know it has a CAPTCHA it is definitely not in my immediate future. I will try the guest option one more time but not today. Off to work. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi Rose, very sorry to hear you're having problems setting up a Pay Pal account. The good news though is that it's not necessary to have a Pay Pal account to buy through Pay Pal. There is an option to enter your credit card number, and a good number of people are purchasing that way. With this method there is no captcha to complete or anything like that. These steps should work on most sites that accept Pay Pal but I'll try and offer a step-by-step for purchasing iOS 8 Without the Eye. Here's how it should work. Choose the add to cart button on the Mosen Consulting site. You'll then be taken to a page verifying your purchase. Be sure to verify the quantity is correct, particularly if you've tried unsuccessfully to purchase before. Activate the button labelled Make Payments with Pay Pal, it's fast, free and secure. You're then taken to Pay Pal's site. Navigate past the log-in form for Pay Pal, since you don't have a Pay Pal account his is irrelevant. Then you'll find a button labelled pay with a credit or debit card, or bill me later. Activate that button. You're then taken to a standard credit/debit card form which is fully accessible and has no captcha. If you have trouble, and and you'd like me to help, please feel free to use the contact form on the website, and we can organise a time for me to call you and take your credit card number. Obviously that applies to anyone having issues. Hope that's of some help. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 3/08/2014, at 8:17 am, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won't be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can't solve, no audible line. They don't want my business then. At this time I don't have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don't particularly trust right now I won't be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn't like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio CAPTCHA; or use WebVisum with Firefox, to resolve it. So, CAPTCHA solutions for iPhone? I was already signed up when I got a smartphone. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:23 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye No, this is trying to sign up, have not been asked credit card info yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Is this when you are putting in your payment information? If so, the security code is the one for your debit or credit card
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also if this could include a phone numberr Betty Emmons - Original Message - From: Michelle Bernstein To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 7:53 AM Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye To respond to Rose's comment about partially sighted people, I am someone who is losing my vision and I can tell you that it is no pleasure to navigate these sites with the vision I have left. Most people that I know who are partially sighted try to use whatever vision they have and it really is not that much help to magnify the print, even many times. My complaint is that most sites are not organized well so that it can be difficult to find the information you need to make the purchase and when you call customer service, often I end up in tears. So basically, as someone who is partially sighted, I have the options to get sighted help which is something I try not to do, give up on the purchase or spend a lot of time navigating the site yourself or on the phone with customer service. That is why I gave up my audible subscription and now only get books from bard or book share which I have found are sites that I can navigate without assistance. My suggestion to Mr. Mosen would be to put the information and a link to pre order his book at the very beginning of his site so that Partially sighted people don't need to navigate to the consulting store tab to order the book. Making things as easily findable as possible for the partially sighted community would be a help, especially for those of us who did not grow up with assistive technology and have to learn it as adults. Michelle Sent from my iPad On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:31 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: They need to make security accessible with alternatives that work for everyone, not just those with eyes to see it with. I thought I had an account, but it does not work and I suppose maybe I could use the one my husband had, might work if only I knew the password for it but someone night get suspicious since he is no longer on my bank account. Kind of difficult for him to use his account since he passed in May. Good thing I guess since he can’t spend on more junk. I will always maintain that if a CAPTCHA is of necessity then there needs to be a solid reasonable way for someone who can’t read it to be able to use an alternative that isn’t difficult to use. I don’t care what browser is used, it should have an alternative. There are lots of elderly persons out there on the internet that can’t see enough to read those things, what do they do whether they use magnification software, screen readers or large monitors. Isn’t this what accessibility is all about, access for everyone? Don’t get me started, I have one very difficult time getting Google’s audible to work, it was so fuzzy it took weeks before I finally got a code I could type in fast enough not to generate another one and it was more dumb luck than skill that finally got me in. My late husband had trouble reading it also and give up on it long before I did. They left me no way to communicate the difficulty. Great search engine, no customer support that I know of, no way to let them know one can’t understand the audible they provide. I mostly use it for this account and my searches, have no real interest in trying other features that may make me encounter that process again. I should not have to have a specific browser, one I don’t personally trust all that much, and a specific plug-in, a plug-in, yes but it should work with any browser. I should not have to figure out how to get the image to some site that no longer works, and if websites wish to keep doing this they should be paying for solutions, not me. It is my right to have access,. OK, I am off the soapbox for now. It is a hot button for me, has from its conception and implementation. I understand security but it needs to work for every person not just those who can see the graphic and manage to get it in fast enough for it to be accepted. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye If and when you do get the payPal issue sorted out, be assured that it'll be worth it. they and we need security, so some sort of verification code is necessary to authenticate the user. For one-off payments, sometimes a credit card is a preferred option. I think I remember coming across that option when I got iOS7 Without the eyes. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 9:51 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I am giving up, can’t get
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As for WebVisum the CAPTCHA-solving plugin that work with firefox, they can't get it working with internet Explorer because they don't have access to the Microsoft coding for IE and it would be too expensive for them to get it. that was the story there, and i think it still is. SomeCAPTCHA's are harder to resolve, because they are dynamic (i.e. changing within a short time), than others are. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 1:31 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye They need to make security accessible with alternatives that work for everyone, not just those with eyes to see it with. I thought I had an account, but it does not work and I suppose maybe I could use the one my husband had, might work if only I knew the password for it but someone night get suspicious since he is no longer on my bank account. Kind of difficult for him to use his account since he passed in May. Good thing I guess since he can't spend on more junk. I will always maintain that if a CAPTCHA is of necessity then there needs to be a solid reasonable way for someone who can't read it to be able to use an alternative that isn't difficult to use. I don't care what browser is used, it should have an alternative. There are lots of elderly persons out there on the internet that can't see enough to read those things, what do they do whether they use magnification software, screen readers or large monitors. Isn't this what accessibility is all about, access for everyone? Don't get me started, I have one very difficult time getting Google's audible to work, it was so fuzzy it took weeks before I finally got a code I could type in fast enough not to generate another one and it was more dumb luck than skill that finally got me in. My late husband had trouble reading it also and give up on it long before I did. They left me no way to communicate the difficulty. Great search engine, no customer support that I know of, no way to let them know one can't understand the audible they provide. I mostly use it for this account and my searches, have no real interest in trying other features that may make me encounter that process again. I should not have to have a specific browser, one I don't personally trust all that much, and a specific plug-in, a plug-in, yes but it should work with any browser. I should not have to figure out how to get the image to some site that no longer works, and if websites wish to keep doing this they should be paying for solutions, not me. It is my right to have access,. OK, I am off the soapbox for now. It is a hot button for me, has from its conception and implementation. I understand security but it needs to work for every person not just those who can see the graphic and manage to get it in fast enough for it to be accepted. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye If and when you do get the payPal issue sorted out, be assured that it'll be worth it. they and we need security, so some sort of verification code is necessary to authenticate the user. For one-off payments, sometimes a credit card is a preferred option. I think I remember coming across that option when I got iOS7 Without the eyes. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 9:51 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I am giving up, can't get in as a guest it keeps running in circles when all fields are full with correct info and when I tried to sign up ran into an ugly Captcha, I am so very disappointed but I cannot spend days trying to get this to work. Load of other things to do related to family issues, or more relevant to the lack of a family member. I had someone else to help last year, albeit from a hospital bed. Same on PayPal something isn't right there and no clues, except last night it told me it did not like my city, well I have lived here for 39 years, it isn't going anywhere. Sorry, frustrated because something that should easy and inexpensive to get isn't working for me. Enough said, for now. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got
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The phone number is in New Zealand, although, knowing Jonathon he probably has a Skype number he could use. Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Betty Emmons To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye also if this could include a phone numberr Betty Emmons - Original Message - From: Michelle Bernstein To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 7:53 AM Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye To respond to Rose's comment about partially sighted people, I am someone who is losing my vision and I can tell you that it is no pleasure to navigate these sites with the vision I have left. Most people that I know who are partially sighted try to use whatever vision they have and it really is not that much help to magnify the print, even many times. My complaint is that most sites are not organized well so that it can be difficult to find the information you need to make the purchase and when you call customer service, often I end up in tears. So basically, as someone who is partially sighted, I have the options to get sighted help which is something I try not to do, give up on the purchase or spend a lot of time navigating the site yourself or on the phone with customer service. That is why I gave up my audible subscription and now only get books from bard or book share which I have found are sites that I can navigate without assistance. My suggestion to Mr. Mosen would be to put the information and a link to pre order his book at the very beginning of his site so that Partially sighted people don't need to navigate to the consulting store tab to order the book. Making things as easily findable as possible for the partially sighted community would be a help, especially for those of us who did not grow up with assistive technology and have to learn it as adults. Michelle Sent from my iPad On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:31 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: They need to make security accessible with alternatives that work for everyone, not just those with eyes to see it with. I thought I had an account, but it does not work and I suppose maybe I could use the one my husband had, might work if only I knew the password for it but someone night get suspicious since he is no longer on my bank account. Kind of difficult for him to use his account since he passed in May. Good thing I guess since he can’t spend on more junk. I will always maintain that if a CAPTCHA is of necessity then there needs to be a solid reasonable way for someone who can’t read it to be able to use an alternative that isn’t difficult to use. I don’t care what browser is used, it should have an alternative. There are lots of elderly persons out there on the internet that can’t see enough to read those things, what do they do whether they use magnification software, screen readers or large monitors. Isn’t this what accessibility is all about, access for everyone? Don’t get me started, I have one very difficult time getting Google’s audible to work, it was so fuzzy it took weeks before I finally got a code I could type in fast enough not to generate another one and it was more dumb luck than skill that finally got me in. My late husband had trouble reading it also and give up on it long before I did. They left me no way to communicate the difficulty. Great search engine, no customer support that I know of, no way to let them know one can’t understand the audible they provide. I mostly use it for this account and my searches, have no real interest in trying other features that may make me encounter that process again. I should not have to have a specific browser, one I don’t personally trust all that much, and a specific plug-in, a plug-in, yes but it should work with any browser. I should not have to figure out how to get the image to some site that no longer works, and if websites wish to keep doing this they should be paying for solutions, not me. It is my right to have access,. OK, I am off the soapbox for now. It is a hot button for me, has from its conception and implementation. I understand security but it needs to work for every person not just those who can see the graphic and manage to get it in fast enough for it to be accepted. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye If and when you do get the payPal issue sorted out, be assured that it'll be worth it. they and we need security, so some sort of verification code is necessary to authenticate the user. For one-off payments, sometimes a credit card
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what my problem is that I have recently gone through a bank buyout. the bank has issued 4 different bank cards three of them have been defective. this means I was issued four different card numbers. because I went to pay pal and have changed my number each time the bank told us to we people other than myself have been blocked out. I do not consider this my fault, but the fault of the card maker.really I would like to know wheree I could send a money order in the amount of currentcy that would be needed for 1 copy of the book. or if their was an a store in America which would sale the book. Betty emmons - Original Message - From: Fred Olver To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 9:23 AM Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye The phone number is in New Zealand, although, knowing Jonathon he probably has a Skype number he could use. Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Betty Emmons To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye also if this could include a phone numberr Betty Emmons - Original Message - From: Michelle Bernstein To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 7:53 AM Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye To respond to Rose's comment about partially sighted people, I am someone who is losing my vision and I can tell you that it is no pleasure to navigate these sites with the vision I have left. Most people that I know who are partially sighted try to use whatever vision they have and it really is not that much help to magnify the print, even many times. My complaint is that most sites are not organized well so that it can be difficult to find the information you need to make the purchase and when you call customer service, often I end up in tears. So basically, as someone who is partially sighted, I have the options to get sighted help which is something I try not to do, give up on the purchase or spend a lot of time navigating the site yourself or on the phone with customer service. That is why I gave up my audible subscription and now only get books from bard or book share which I have found are sites that I can navigate without assistance. My suggestion to Mr. Mosen would be to put the information and a link to pre order his book at the very beginning of his site so that Partially sighted people don't need to navigate to the consulting store tab to order the book. Making things as easily findable as possible for the partially sighted community would be a help, especially for those of us who did not grow up with assistive technology and have to learn it as adults. Michelle Sent from my iPad On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:31 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: They need to make security accessible with alternatives that work for everyone, not just those with eyes to see it with. I thought I had an account, but it does not work and I suppose maybe I could use the one my husband had, might work if only I knew the password for it but someone night get suspicious since he is no longer on my bank account. Kind of difficult for him to use his account since he passed in May. Good thing I guess since he can’t spend on more junk. I will always maintain that if a CAPTCHA is of necessity then there needs to be a solid reasonable way for someone who can’t read it to be able to use an alternative that isn’t difficult to use. I don’t care what browser is used, it should have an alternative. There are lots of elderly persons out there on the internet that can’t see enough to read those things, what do they do whether they use magnification software, screen readers or large monitors. Isn’t this what accessibility is all about, access for everyone? Don’t get me started, I have one very difficult time getting Google’s audible to work, it was so fuzzy it took weeks before I finally got a code I could type in fast enough not to generate another one and it was more dumb luck than skill that finally got me in. My late husband had trouble reading it also and give up on it long before I did. They left me no way to communicate the difficulty. Great search engine, no customer support that I know of, no way to let them know one can’t understand the audible they provide. I mostly use it for this account and my searches, have no real interest in trying other features that may make me encounter that process again. I should not have to have a specific browser, one I don’t personally trust all that much, and a specific plug-in, a plug-in, yes but it should work with any browser. I should not have to figure out how to get the image to some site that no longer works, and if websites wish to keep doing this they should
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Unfortunately I tried two valid charge cards using Credit but it would not accept either card. I then realized my husband has a pay pal account and I used that. I did write J. Mosen to let him know the problems. Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle Bernstein Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 8:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye The one thing that I would point out is that when I tried twice to order the book, both times the quantity of books to be ordered was pre set at 5 so be careful to re set the quantity of books to be ordered to 1(or whatever quantity is desired). The option to pay with a credit card is located right after the option to use pay pal. Sent from my iPad On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: I don’t have an account, since it has a CAPTCHA, I probably don’t want an account, I do my best to avoid most sites that have one without an alternative way to translate the image, If I can’t I used to have help now I don’t. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Feliciano G Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:21 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I purchased the book with no problems when J Mosen posted this. Payed with my paypal account using the safari browser on the iphone. Regards, Feliciano Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Aug 2, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Larry Lumpkin llump...@austin.rr.com wrote: Hi rose. Thought I’d weigh in here. I ordered the book on Jonathan’s site with no problem at all. You don’t have to fool with pay pal at all even though it looks like you do. After you enter on “guest”, just choose the option for credit card and enter your card info just like you would for any order on the web and it should go just fine. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 3:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won’t be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can’t solve, no audible line. They don’t want my business then. At this time I don’t have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don’t particularly trust right now I won’t be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn’t like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio CAPTCHA; or use WebVisum with Firefox, to resolve it. So, CAPTCHA solutions for iPhone? I was already signed up when I got a smartphone. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:23 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye No, this is trying to sign up, have not been asked credit card info yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Is this when you are putting in your payment information? If so, the security code is the one for your debit or credit card. If it is asking for a code, I think it probably isn't another security question. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end
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Well Then Microsoft should make something similar that accomplishes the same thing in my humble opinion. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 7:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye As for WebVisum the CAPTCHA-solving plugin that work with firefox, they can't get it working with internet Explorer because they don't have access to the Microsoft coding for IE and it would be too expensive for them to get it. that was the story there, and i think it still is. SomeCAPTCHA's are harder to resolve, because they are dynamic (i.e. changing within a short time), than others are. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 1:31 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye They need to make security accessible with alternatives that work for everyone, not just those with eyes to see it with. I thought I had an account, but it does not work and I suppose maybe I could use the one my husband had, might work if only I knew the password for it but someone night get suspicious since he is no longer on my bank account. Kind of difficult for him to use his account since he passed in May. Good thing I guess since he can't spend on more junk. I will always maintain that if a CAPTCHA is of necessity then there needs to be a solid reasonable way for someone who can't read it to be able to use an alternative that isn't difficult to use. I don't care what browser is used, it should have an alternative. There are lots of elderly persons out there on the internet that can't see enough to read those things, what do they do whether they use magnification software, screen readers or large monitors. Isn't this what accessibility is all about, access for everyone? Don't get me started, I have one very difficult time getting Google's audible to work, it was so fuzzy it took weeks before I finally got a code I could type in fast enough not to generate another one and it was more dumb luck than skill that finally got me in. My late husband had trouble reading it also and give up on it long before I did. They left me no way to communicate the difficulty. Great search engine, no customer support that I know of, no way to let them know one can't understand the audible they provide. I mostly use it for this account and my searches, have no real interest in trying other features that may make me encounter that process again. I should not have to have a specific browser, one I don't personally trust all that much, and a specific plug-in, a plug-in, yes but it should work with any browser. I should not have to figure out how to get the image to some site that no longer works, and if websites wish to keep doing this they should be paying for solutions, not me. It is my right to have access,. OK, I am off the soapbox for now. It is a hot button for me, has from its conception and implementation. I understand security but it needs to work for every person not just those who can see the graphic and manage to get it in fast enough for it to be accepted. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye If and when you do get the payPal issue sorted out, be assured that it'll be worth it. they and we need security, so some sort of verification code is necessary to authenticate the user. For one-off payments, sometimes a credit card is a preferred option. I think I remember coming across that option when I got iOS7 Without the eyes. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 9:51 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I am giving up, can't get in as a guest it keeps running in circles when all fields are full with correct info and when I tried to sign up ran into an ugly Captcha, I am so very disappointed but I cannot spend days trying to get this to work. Load of other things to do related to family issues, or more relevant to the lack of a family member. I had someone else to help last year, albeit from a hospital bed. Same on PayPal something isn't right there and no clues, except last night it told me it did not like my city, well I have lived here for 39 years, it isn't going anywhere. Sorry, frustrated because something that should easy and inexpensive to get isn't working for me. Enough said, for now. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without
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I don't want to send money through the mail, and do not want to write a check. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 6:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye So, hear's an idea, Rose. Since you are having so much difficulty getting this done, why not ask if someone could order it for you and have it sent to you and you send them the money? Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 7:55 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I did all you suggested more than once. It just did not work but in a few days when I have time I will try once again. I never truly intended to get an account and now that I know it has a CAPTCHA it is definitely not in my immediate future. I will try the guest option one more time but not today. Off to work. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi Rose, very sorry to hear you're having problems setting up a Pay Pal account. The good news though is that it's not necessary to have a Pay Pal account to buy through Pay Pal. There is an option to enter your credit card number, and a good number of people are purchasing that way. With this method there is no captcha to complete or anything like that. These steps should work on most sites that accept Pay Pal but I'll try and offer a step-by-step for purchasing iOS 8 Without the Eye. Here's how it should work. Choose the add to cart button on the Mosen Consulting site. You'll then be taken to a page verifying your purchase. Be sure to verify the quantity is correct, particularly if you've tried unsuccessfully to purchase before. Activate the button labelled Make Payments with Pay Pal, it's fast, free and secure. You're then taken to Pay Pal's site. Navigate past the log-in form for Pay Pal, since you don't have a Pay Pal account his is irrelevant. Then you'll find a button labelled pay with a credit or debit card, or bill me later. Activate that button. You're then taken to a standard credit/debit card form which is fully accessible and has no captcha. If you have trouble, and and you'd like me to help, please feel free to use the contact form on the website, and we can organise a time for me to call you and take your credit card number. Obviously that applies to anyone having issues. Hope that's of some help. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 3/08/2014, at 8:17 am, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won't be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can't solve, no audible line. They don't want my business then. At this time I don't have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don't particularly trust right now I won't be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn't like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio CAPTCHA; or use WebVisum with Firefox, to resolve it. So, CAPTCHA solutions for iPhone? I was already signed up when I got a smartphone. - Original Message - From: mailto:roseco...@q.com Rose Combs To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:23 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye No, this is trying to sign up, have not been asked credit card info yet. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone
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A postel order then, which you can get from your Post office? (I don't know how that operates in the USA, but sending money through mail 'cheque or postal order' are the usually guaranteed methods. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 12:14 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I don't want to send money through the mail, and do not want to write a check. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 6:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye So, hear's an idea, Rose. Since you are having so much difficulty getting this done, why not ask if someone could order it for you and have it sent to you and you send them the money? Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 7:55 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I did all you suggested more than once. It just did not work but in a few days when I have time I will try once again. I never truly intended to get an account and now that I know it has a CAPTCHA it is definitely not in my immediate future. I will try the guest option one more time but not today. Off to work. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi Rose, very sorry to hear you're having problems setting up a Pay Pal account. The good news though is that it's not necessary to have a Pay Pal account to buy through Pay Pal. There is an option to enter your credit card number, and a good number of people are purchasing that way. With this method there is no captcha to complete or anything like that. These steps should work on most sites that accept Pay Pal but I'll try and offer a step-by-step for purchasing iOS 8 Without the Eye. Here's how it should work. Choose the add to cart button on the Mosen Consulting site. You'll then be taken to a page verifying your purchase. Be sure to verify the quantity is correct, particularly if you've tried unsuccessfully to purchase before. Activate the button labelled Make Payments with Pay Pal, it's fast, free and secure. You're then taken to Pay Pal's site. Navigate past the log-in form for Pay Pal, since you don't have a Pay Pal account his is irrelevant. Then you'll find a button labelled pay with a credit or debit card, or bill me later. Activate that button. You're then taken to a standard credit/debit card form which is fully accessible and has no captcha. If you have trouble, and and you'd like me to help, please feel free to use the contact form on the website, and we can organise a time for me to call you and take your credit card number. Obviously that applies to anyone having issues. Hope that's of some help. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 3/08/2014, at 8:17 am, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won't be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can't solve, no audible line. They don't want my business then. At this time I don't have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don't particularly trust right now I won't be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn't like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio
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Sorry, but since Microsoft is often a target, in such case I wouldn't 'bank' on it not being broken or hacked into by spammers. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 11:53 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Well Then Microsoft should make something similar that accomplishes the same thing in my humble opinion. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 7:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye As for WebVisum the CAPTCHA-solving plugin that work with firefox, they can't get it working with internet Explorer because they don't have access to the Microsoft coding for IE and it would be too expensive for them to get it. that was the story there, and i think it still is. SomeCAPTCHA's are harder to resolve, because they are dynamic (i.e. changing within a short time), than others are. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 1:31 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye They need to make security accessible with alternatives that work for everyone, not just those with eyes to see it with. I thought I had an account, but it does not work and I suppose maybe I could use the one my husband had, might work if only I knew the password for it but someone night get suspicious since he is no longer on my bank account. Kind of difficult for him to use his account since he passed in May. Good thing I guess since he can't spend on more junk. I will always maintain that if a CAPTCHA is of necessity then there needs to be a solid reasonable way for someone who can't read it to be able to use an alternative that isn't difficult to use. I don't care what browser is used, it should have an alternative. There are lots of elderly persons out there on the internet that can't see enough to read those things, what do they do whether they use magnification software, screen readers or large monitors. Isn't this what accessibility is all about, access for everyone? Don't get me started, I have one very difficult time getting Google's audible to work, it was so fuzzy it took weeks before I finally got a code I could type in fast enough not to generate another one and it was more dumb luck than skill that finally got me in. My late husband had trouble reading it also and give up on it long before I did. They left me no way to communicate the difficulty. Great search engine, no customer support that I know of, no way to let them know one can't understand the audible they provide. I mostly use it for this account and my searches, have no real interest in trying other features that may make me encounter that process again. I should not have to have a specific browser, one I don't personally trust all that much, and a specific plug-in, a plug-in, yes but it should work with any browser. I should not have to figure out how to get the image to some site that no longer works, and if websites wish to keep doing this they should be paying for solutions, not me. It is my right to have access,. OK, I am off the soapbox for now. It is a hot button for me, has from its conception and implementation. I understand security but it needs to work for every person not just those who can see the graphic and manage to get it in fast enough for it to be accepted. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye If and when you do get the payPal issue sorted out, be assured that it'll be worth it. they and we need security, so some sort of verification code is necessary to authenticate the user. For one-off payments, sometimes a credit card is a preferred option. I think I remember coming across that option when I got iOS7 Without the eyes. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 9:51 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I am giving up, can't get in as a guest it keeps running in circles when all fields are full with correct info and when I tried to sign up ran into an ugly Captcha, I am so very disappointed but I cannot spend days trying to get this to work. Load of other things to do related to family issues, or more relevant to the lack of a family member. I had someone else to help last year, albeit from a hospital bed. Same on PayPal
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That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio CAPTCHA; or use WebVisum with Firefox, to resolve it. So, CAPTCHA solutions for iPhone? I was already signed up when I got a smartphone. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:23 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye No, this is trying to sign up, have not been asked credit card info yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Is this when you are putting in your payment information? If so, the security code is the one for your debit or credit card. If it is asking for a code, I think it probably isn't another security question. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: There is one place in trying to fill this out, says security then asks for code. I have no idea what I am supposed to put, and since I don't it keeps returning me to the top of the form. My internet was down all day and now it seems I can't sign up for PayPal without another security question. Bank this afternoon had me going crazy trying to answer these things but at least someone else was doing the mousing. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Go to http://www.paypal.com - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye How do you find PayPal's site, I tried typing it in, then used Google and I get all sorts of links to introduce something else but what I want is to sign up for an account. Off to work now but your assistance will help me tomorrow, maybe! From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:20 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I have a problem, I want to preorder, but don't to my knowledge have a PayPal account. I tried to be a guest for now, it tells me info is missing but, I can't see it, every field has the correct info. I know last year my husband bought the book for me on his PayPal account, but he passed May 30th so that is not an option for me. If I am making an error somewhere, signing up won't be a piece of cake either. I note in the phone number field that they are using dashes and so did I, could that be the problem? No eyes here to help me figure it out, had my name first and last, my street address, second line ignored, city, state, zip and phone number with the dashes, it is the only thing it seems to me that could be incorrect. Unless it does not like Scottsdale, but Tom had an account he used infrequently. I sort of want one also now. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks
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I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won't be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can't solve, no audible line. They don't want my business then. At this time I don't have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don't particularly trust right now I won't be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn't like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio CAPTCHA; or use WebVisum with Firefox, to resolve it. So, CAPTCHA solutions for iPhone? I was already signed up when I got a smartphone. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:23 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye No, this is trying to sign up, have not been asked credit card info yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Is this when you are putting in your payment information? If so, the security code is the one for your debit or credit card. If it is asking for a code, I think it probably isn't another security question. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: There is one place in trying to fill this out, says security then asks for code. I have no idea what I am supposed to put, and since I don't it keeps returning me to the top of the form. My internet was down all day and now it seems I can't sign up for PayPal without another security question. Bank this afternoon had me going crazy trying to answer these things but at least someone else was doing the mousing. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:09 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Go to http://www.paypal.com/ http://www.paypal.com - Original Message - From: mailto:roseco...@q.com Rose Combs To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye How do you find PayPal's site, I tried typing it in, then used Google and I get all sorts of links to introduce something else but what I want is to sign up for an account. Off to work now but your assistance will help me tomorrow, maybe! From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:20 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I have a problem, I want to preorder, but don't to my knowledge have a PayPal account. I tried to be a guest for now, it tells me info is missing but, I can't see it, every field has the correct info. I know last year my husband bought the book for me on his PayPal account, but he passed May 30th so that is not an option for me. If I am making an error somewhere, signing up won't be a piece of cake either. I note in the phone number field that they are using dashes and so did I, could
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I am giving up, can't get in as a guest it keeps running in circles when all fields are full with correct info and when I tried to sign up ran into an ugly Captcha, I am so very disappointed but I cannot spend days trying to get this to work. Load of other things to do related to family issues, or more relevant to the lack of a family member. I had someone else to help last year, albeit from a hospital bed. Same on PayPal something isn't right there and no clues, except last night it told me it did not like my city, well I have lived here for 39 years, it isn't going anywhere. Sorry, frustrated because something that should easy and inexpensive to get isn't working for me. Enough said, for now. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I also just tried and I had the same problem. I wrote them and they said they were not having problems with the Guest PayPal. I will try again tomorrow. I had a similar problem with the IOS7 but got it to work. Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won't be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can't solve, no audible line. They don't want my business then. At this time I don't have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don't particularly trust right now I won't be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn't like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio CAPTCHA; or use WebVisum with Firefox, to resolve it. So, CAPTCHA solutions for iPhone? I was already signed up when I got a smartphone. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:23 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye No, this is trying to sign up, have not been asked credit card info yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Is this when you are putting in your payment information? If so, the security code is the one for your debit or credit card. If it is asking for a code, I think it probably isn't another security question. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: There is one place in trying to fill this out, says security then asks for code. I have no idea what I am supposed to put, and since I don't it keeps returning me to the top of the form. My internet was down all day and now it seems I can't sign up for PayPal without another security question. Bank this afternoon had me going crazy trying to answer these things but at least someone else was doing the mousing. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:09 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Go to http://www.paypal.com/ http://www.paypal.com - Original Message - From: mailto:roseco...@q.com Rose Combs To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye How do you find PayPal's site, I tried typing it in, then used Google and I get all sorts of links to introduce something else but what I want is to sign up for an account. Off to work now but your assistance will help me tomorrow, maybe! From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:20 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I have a problem, I want
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I have wanted the phone number for the book sellar. Betty Emmons P.S. I also have had trouble with paypal betty - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 3:17 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won't be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can't solve, no audible line. They don't want my business then. At this time I don't have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don't particularly trust right now I won't be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn't like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio CAPTCHA; or use WebVisum with Firefox, to resolve it. So, CAPTCHA solutions for iPhone? I was already signed up when I got a smartphone. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:23 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye No, this is trying to sign up, have not been asked credit card info yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Is this when you are putting in your payment information? If so, the security code is the one for your debit or credit card. If it is asking for a code, I think it probably isn't another security question. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: There is one place in trying to fill this out, says security then asks for code. I have no idea what I am supposed to put, and since I don't it keeps returning me to the top of the form. My internet was down all day and now it seems I can't sign up for PayPal without another security question. Bank this afternoon had me going crazy trying to answer these things but at least someone else was doing the mousing. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Go to http://www.paypal.com - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye How do you find PayPal's site, I tried typing it in, then used Google and I get all sorts of links to introduce something else but what I want is to sign up for an account. Off to work now but your assistance will help me tomorrow, maybe! From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:20 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I have a problem, I want to preorder, but don't to my knowledge have a PayPal account. I tried to be a guest for now, it tells me info is missing but, I
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Hi rose. Thought I'd weigh in here. I ordered the book on Jonathan's site with no problem at all. You don't have to fool with pay pal at all even though it looks like you do. After you enter on guest, just choose the option for credit card and enter your card info just like you would for any order on the web and it should go just fine. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 3:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won't be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can't solve, no audible line. They don't want my business then. At this time I don't have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don't particularly trust right now I won't be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn't like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio CAPTCHA; or use WebVisum with Firefox, to resolve it. So, CAPTCHA solutions for iPhone? I was already signed up when I got a smartphone. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:23 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye No, this is trying to sign up, have not been asked credit card info yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Is this when you are putting in your payment information? If so, the security code is the one for your debit or credit card. If it is asking for a code, I think it probably isn't another security question. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: There is one place in trying to fill this out, says security then asks for code. I have no idea what I am supposed to put, and since I don't it keeps returning me to the top of the form. My internet was down all day and now it seems I can't sign up for PayPal without another security question. Bank this afternoon had me going crazy trying to answer these things but at least someone else was doing the mousing. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:09 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Go to http://www.paypal.com/ http://www.paypal.com - Original Message - From: mailto:roseco...@q.com Rose Combs To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye How do you find PayPal's site, I tried typing it in, then used Google and I get all sorts of links to introduce something else but what I want is to sign up for an account. Off to work now but your assistance will help me tomorrow, maybe! From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:20 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
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I purchased the book with no problems when J Mosen posted this. Payed with my paypal account using the safari browser on the iphone. Regards, Feliciano Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Aug 2, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Larry Lumpkin llump...@austin.rr.com wrote: Hi rose. Thought I’d weigh in here. I ordered the book on Jonathan’s site with no problem at all. You don’t have to fool with pay pal at all even though it looks like you do. After you enter on “guest”, just choose the option for credit card and enter your card info just like you would for any order on the web and it should go just fine. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 3:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I guess unless I can get the guest form to work I won’t be able to get the book then. PayPal should be ashamed for putting up a CAPTCHA we can’t solve, no audible line. They don’t want my business then. At this time I don’t have time to install another browser, figure out how to use it etc. I am up to my ears in work and other issues like finances to waste time on a company that does not respect users enough of offer alternatives. Too bad too because I read the book last year in one evening I had no problems adjusting to IOS 7. I know some will say it take only a minute, but if I mess up my computer with software I don’t particularly trust right now I won’t be a happy camper since I need my computer right now. I wish Mr. Mosen would offer an alternative, it isn’t like buying the book will break the bank for me, far from it, not rich but certainly not penniless either. Have worked 38 years in one job will start year 39 on Tuesday. I will try the guest form one more time, if not, I will do as I did for 5, and 6, figure it out on my own or wait until a missing manual or even an Apple book full of pictures is available, not so helpful but I have done it before. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye That is a CAPTCHA! Now, on the PC, you can decide instead to use an audio CAPTCHA; or use WebVisum with Firefox, to resolve it. So, CAPTCHA solutions for iPhone? I was already signed up when I got a smartphone. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 4:23 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye No, this is trying to sign up, have not been asked credit card info yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Is this when you are putting in your payment information? If so, the security code is the one for your debit or credit card. If it is asking for a code, I think it probably isn't another security question. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: There is one place in trying to fill this out, says security then asks for code. I have no idea what I am supposed to put, and since I don’t it keeps returning me to the top of the form. My internet was down all day and now it seems I can’t sign up for PayPal without another security question. Bank this afternoon had me going crazy trying to answer these things but at least someone else was doing the mousing. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Go to http://www.paypal.com - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye How do you find PayPal’s site, I tried typing it in, then used Google and I get all sorts of links to introduce something else but what I want is to sign up for an account. Off to work now but your assistance will help me tomorrow, maybe! From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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If and when you do get the payPal issue sorted out, be assured that it'll be worth it. they and we need security, so some sort of verification code is necessary to authenticate the user. For one-off payments, sometimes a credit card is a preferred option. I think I remember coming across that option when I got iOS7 Without the eyes. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 9:51 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I am giving up, can't get in as a guest it keeps running in circles when all fields are full with correct info and when I tried to sign up ran into an ugly Captcha, I am so very disappointed but I cannot spend days trying to get this to work. Load of other things to do related to family issues, or more relevant to the lack of a family member. I had someone else to help last year, albeit from a hospital bed. Same on PayPal something isn't right there and no clues, except last night it told me it did not like my city, well I have lived here for 39 years, it isn't going anywhere. Sorry, frustrated because something that should easy and inexpensive to get isn't working for me. Enough said, for now. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit
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has anyone tried the Rumola CAPTCHA solution service? It is supposed to be able to work on iPhone. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 9:51 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I am giving up, can't get in as a guest it keeps running in circles when all fields are full with correct info and when I tried to sign up ran into an ugly Captcha, I am so very disappointed but I cannot spend days trying to get this to work. Load of other things to do related to family issues, or more relevant to the lack of a family member. I had someone else to help last year, albeit from a hospital bed. Same on PayPal something isn't right there and no clues, except last night it told me it did not like my city, well I have lived here for 39 years, it isn't going anywhere. Sorry, frustrated because something that should easy and inexpensive to get isn't working for me. Enough said, for now. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Oh, I didn't know that would work on iPhone too. It has worked well for me on the Mac so I will have to look into this. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Aug 2, 2014, at 4:51 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: has anyone tried the Rumola CAPTCHA solution service? It is supposed to be able to work on iPhone. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 9:51 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I am giving up, can't get in as a guest it keeps running in circles when all fields are full with correct info and when I tried to sign up ran into an ugly Captcha, I am so very disappointed but I cannot spend days trying to get this to work. Load of other things to do related to family issues, or more relevant to the lack of a family member. I had someone else to help last year, albeit from a hospital bed. Same on PayPal something isn't right there and no clues, except last night it told me it did not like my city, well I have lived here for 39 years, it isn't going anywhere. Sorry, frustrated because something that should easy and inexpensive to get isn't working for me. Enough said, for now. From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email toviph...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http
RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
There is one place in trying to fill this out, says security then asks for code. I have no idea what I am supposed to put, and since I don't it keeps returning me to the top of the form. My internet was down all day and now it seems I can't sign up for PayPal without another security question. Bank this afternoon had me going crazy trying to answer these things but at least someone else was doing the mousing. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Go to http://www.paypal.com - Original Message - From: Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye How do you find PayPal's site, I tried typing it in, then used Google and I get all sorts of links to introduce something else but what I want is to sign up for an account. Off to work now but your assistance will help me tomorrow, maybe! From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:20 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I have a problem, I want to preorder, but don't to my knowledge have a PayPal account. I tried to be a guest for now, it tells me info is missing but, I can't see it, every field has the correct info. I know last year my husband bought the book for me on his PayPal account, but he passed May 30th so that is not an option for me. If I am making an error somewhere, signing up won't be a piece of cake either. I note in the phone number field that they are using dashes and so did I, could that be the problem? No eyes here to help me figure it out, had my name first and last, my street address, second line ignored, city, state, zip and phone number with the dashes, it is the only thing it seems to me that could be incorrect. Unless it does not like Scottsdale, but Tom had an account he used infrequently. I sort of want one also now. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http
Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
Is this when you are putting in your payment information? If so, the security code is the one for your debit or credit card. If it is asking for a code, I think it probably isn't another security question. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: There is one place in trying to fill this out, says security then asks for code. I have no idea what I am supposed to put, and since I don't it keeps returning me to the top of the form. My internet was down all day and now it seems I can't sign up for PayPal without another security question. Bank this afternoon had me going crazy trying to answer these things but at least someone else was doing the mousing. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Go to http://www.paypal.com - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye How do you find PayPal's site, I tried typing it in, then used Google and I get all sorts of links to introduce something else but what I want is to sign up for an account. Off to work now but your assistance will help me tomorrow, maybe! From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:20 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I have a problem, I want to preorder, but don't to my knowledge have a PayPal account. I tried to be a guest for now, it tells me info is missing but, I can't see it, every field has the correct info. I know last year my husband bought the book for me on his PayPal account, but he passed May 30th so that is not an option for me. If I am making an error somewhere, signing up won't be a piece of cake either. I note in the phone number field that they are using dashes and so did I, could that be the problem? No eyes here to help me figure it out, had my name first and last, my street address, second line ignored, city, state, zip and phone number with the dashes, it is the only thing it seems to me that could be incorrect. Unless it does not like Scottsdale, but Tom had an account he used infrequently. I sort of want one also now. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout
RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
No, this is trying to sign up, have not been asked credit card info yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Is this when you are putting in your payment information? If so, the security code is the one for your debit or credit card. If it is asking for a code, I think it probably isn't another security question. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: There is one place in trying to fill this out, says security then asks for code. I have no idea what I am supposed to put, and since I don't it keeps returning me to the top of the form. My internet was down all day and now it seems I can't sign up for PayPal without another security question. Bank this afternoon had me going crazy trying to answer these things but at least someone else was doing the mousing. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:09 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Go to http://www.paypal.com/ http://www.paypal.com - Original Message - From: mailto:roseco...@q.com Rose Combs To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye How do you find PayPal's site, I tried typing it in, then used Google and I get all sorts of links to introduce something else but what I want is to sign up for an account. Off to work now but your assistance will help me tomorrow, maybe! From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:20 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I have a problem, I want to preorder, but don't to my knowledge have a PayPal account. I tried to be a guest for now, it tells me info is missing but, I can't see it, every field has the correct info. I know last year my husband bought the book for me on his PayPal account, but he passed May 30th so that is not an option for me. If I am making an error somewhere, signing up won't be a piece of cake either. I note in the phone number field that they are using dashes and so did I, could that be the problem? No eyes here to help me figure it out, had my name first and last, my street address, second line ignored, city, state, zip and phone number with the dashes, it is the only thing it seems to me that could be incorrect. Unless it does not like Scottsdale, but Tom had an account he used infrequently. I sort of want one also now. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://mosen.org/ http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default
RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
I have a problem, I want to preorder, but don't to my knowledge have a PayPal account. I tried to be a guest for now, it tells me info is missing but, I can't see it, every field has the correct info. I know last year my husband bought the book for me on his PayPal account, but he passed May 30th so that is not an option for me. If I am making an error somewhere, signing up won't be a piece of cake either. I note in the phone number field that they are using dashes and so did I, could that be the problem? No eyes here to help me figure it out, had my name first and last, my street address, second line ignored, city, state, zip and phone number with the dashes, it is the only thing it seems to me that could be incorrect. Unless it does not like Scottsdale, but Tom had an account he used infrequently. I sort of want one also now. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
How do you find PayPal's site, I tried typing it in, then used Google and I get all sorts of links to introduce something else but what I want is to sign up for an account. Off to work now but your assistance will help me tomorrow, maybe! From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:20 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I have a problem, I want to preorder, but don't to my knowledge have a PayPal account. I tried to be a guest for now, it tells me info is missing but, I can't see it, every field has the correct info. I know last year my husband bought the book for me on his PayPal account, but he passed May 30th so that is not an option for me. If I am making an error somewhere, signing up won't be a piece of cake either. I note in the phone number field that they are using dashes and so did I, could that be the problem? No eyes here to help me figure it out, had my name first and last, my street address, second line ignored, city, state, zip and phone number with the dashes, it is the only thing it seems to me that could be incorrect. Unless it does not like Scottsdale, but Tom had an account he used infrequently. I sort of want one also now. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group
Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
Go to http://www.paypal.com - Original Message - From: Rose Combs To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye How do you find PayPal's site, I tried typing it in, then used Google and I get all sorts of links to introduce something else but what I want is to sign up for an account. Off to work now but your assistance will help me tomorrow, maybe! From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:20 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I have a problem, I want to preorder, but don't to my knowledge have a PayPal account. I tried to be a guest for now, it tells me info is missing but, I can't see it, every field has the correct info. I know last year my husband bought the book for me on his PayPal account, but he passed May 30th so that is not an option for me. If I am making an error somewhere, signing up won't be a piece of cake either. I note in the phone number field that they are using dashes and so did I, could that be the problem? No eyes here to help me figure it out, had my name first and last, my street address, second line ignored, city, state, zip and phone number with the dashes, it is the only thing it seems to me that could be incorrect. Unless it does not like Scottsdale, but Tom had an account he used infrequently. I sort of want one also now. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone
Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
If you have any personal criticisms please write me off list, or you will end up wasting a great deal of list time. Joseph - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:55 PM Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Joseph, I think it's wrong and mean-spirited to post the way you did in this thread. Yes, I know I'm probably opening an explosive can of worms, but I have to call it as I see it. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us. I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so tempting that I change my plans. Smile. Joseph the free tech guy! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone
Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
I am not trying to start a flame war here but I have to put my opinion in on this matter. I think that it is very rude what Joseph had said. I don't think that Jonathan is trying to make money off of us I think he's just trying to sell a book. You don't have to buy that book if you so desire sir but there may be other people who do. I wish that people wouldn't make such disrespectful comments. Because technically, we are very lucky to have this book! Do you know of any other place we can get this information besides this list and Jonathan's book? You tell me where to go? And I will go look. But I don't believe there is any other place. Jonathan has spent countless hours probably, researching all of this information to bring it to us in a straight forward way. Why disrespect the guy by saying what you did. That was not right. However you have your opinion I have mine. I'm just stating mine. I did not mean to start any trouble I was just saying what I felt. And I will be one who buys this book. It is only $20. That is not that expensive! It really isn't. Think about this would you rather spend $20 on something you can use, or spend $20 and something that you may never use? I've known things that people spend at least $20 on, that they never use. That I've known things like this book, that people spend money on and do use every day. Just thought I would throw my two cents in. Jerry Mader -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
Hi everyone, I'm conscious that both our moderators are probably sleeping right now, and having moderated email lists over many years, I know what an unpleasant feeling it is to wake up to a list that's gone off the rails. So in an attempt to prevent that from happening, I thought I would add a few comments. It's not my intension to respond to personal attacks, however there are some substantive issues that may be helpful. First, my book, iOS 8 Without the Eye is by no means the only game in town for getting information about iOS 8 when it comes out. An excellent free source of information will be Applevis, a site of which I am a huge fan. You can be sure that free resources from there will include blog posts and podcasts. There are sure to be other places as well. I wrote iOS 7 Without the Eye last year because I got feedback that there was a need for it. As some of you may know, I've produced literally hundreds of hours at least of audio tutorials on a wide range of subjects, a few of which are in fact on Applevis. I also continue to get very kind feedback about the FSCasts I have done over the years on iTunes. Many people like to be talked through an application or operating system, hearing what the speech is doing. People who learn best this way are big fans of podcasts, if they're produced well. Equally, I hear from people who say that they prefer to learn from a book. I've done a few audio presentations since starting Mosen Consulting, but books like Tweeting Blind and the iOS without the Eye series have been well received because they're in writing. So rather than do an audio version of iOS 8 Without the Eye, I decided that audio was well covered and that I'd focus on text. Yes, you'll be able to get textual help via a range of sources, and some people will be happy installing the OS and discovering things for themselves, sharing their discoveries on a range of forums. But last year, we sold thousands of copies of the book. What that showed me was that some people prefer to have a coherent, consistent, comprehensive guide, written by a technical writer who can explain the concepts. The book is a work in progress right now, but already we're hitting the 25,000 word mark, about 63 pages in Microsoft Word and growing. It has been peer reviewed by a number of fellow testers, to make sure that I'm explaining things clearly enough, and that I've not left things out. It has already had its first draft sent to a copy editor, who has gone through it meticulously for readability and other factors. Each chapter has been carefully crafted, tweaked, and tweaked some more. That will continue to happen right up until iOS 8 release day. So I don't claim to have a monopoly on this knowledge. What I can promise you is that I've put many hours into writing all this up, explaining it as clearly as possible, and making sure it all jells. That will be worth 20 bucks to some of you, and it won't to others of you. That's the market for you. If there's no longer a need for the book, no one will buy it, and that will tell me whether I should do it again for iOS 9. All I have to serve as a guide about the need is the thousands that were bought last year. This list is a microcosm of the entire blind iPhone using community. Some people are experts, some are still struggling with the iPhone and find the prospect of a bunch of new and changed features daunting. Many experts will want this book because they'd prefer to invest in a tool that gets them going quickly, others will think it's a waste of their money. Many novice users, I suspect, will be glad to have someone they may know from elsewhere helping them through some new things. So if it helps you, consider the book. If it doesn't, please enjoy and support the many great contributors to our community, for which I'm sure many of us are grateful. And in fact, there's really no reason not to do both of those things if both options will be helpful to you. Thanks everyone. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
Jonathan, don't frame my previous post as a personal attack. Most on these list probably have no clue in terms of how people more clever than they are manipulating them. I posted a general opinion that does not pertain specifically to you but just so happens to include you in this case. There are many assistive technology teachers, trainers, and consultants or whatever they are now calling themselves who spend a great deal of time on these lists but contribute next to nothing when it comes to actually helping others. It isn't until their next money making scheme is released when they pop out of the dirt and start with the written smiles and happy talk about how much they've helped the blind community. I'm simply a bit upset at the fact that most of these people are nowhere to be found when John or Jane are struggling with an issue. I, and many other listers who are not finding the problems in the blindness community as dollar signs in our eyes do most of the heavy lifting. Don't forget that you too benefit from the generosity of contributors to this list as your knowledge increases by each of our posts, and guess what, we are helping you for free. The goal on this list is knowledge and spreading knowledge and not shameless self promotion. I just hope everyone takes my word as what it is, frustration from someone who has spent a great deal of time calling all over the world and donating hours at a time to help fellow blind computer users whether on the phone, Skype or via email. Joseph PS: for those who haven't caught on, again, in the message below, Jonathan is manipulating your emotions as he describes his benevolent reasoning behind his desired to help you all, but remember, his help to the blind community always comes with a price tag. He and other trainers already have all the knowledge to help others for free on these lists, but they never do without the exchange of your Paypal info. You tell me if his post below doesn't read as an advertisement. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:55 AM Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, I'm conscious that both our moderators are probably sleeping right now, and having moderated email lists over many years, I know what an unpleasant feeling it is to wake up to a list that's gone off the rails. So in an attempt to prevent that from happening, I thought I would add a few comments. It's not my intension to respond to personal attacks, however there are some substantive issues that may be helpful. First, my book, iOS 8 Without the Eye is by no means the only game in town for getting information about iOS 8 when it comes out. An excellent free source of information will be Applevis, a site of which I am a huge fan. You can be sure that free resources from there will include blog posts and podcasts. There are sure to be other places as well. I wrote iOS 7 Without the Eye last year because I got feedback that there was a need for it. As some of you may know, I've produced literally hundreds of hours at least of audio tutorials on a wide range of subjects, a few of which are in fact on Applevis. I also continue to get very kind feedback about the FSCasts I have done over the years on iTunes. Many people like to be talked through an application or operating system, hearing what the speech is doing. People who learn best this way are big fans of podcasts, if they're produced well. Equally, I hear from people who say that they prefer to learn from a book. I've done a few audio presentations since starting Mosen Consulting, but books like Tweeting Blind and the iOS without the Eye series have been well received because they're in writing. So rather than do an audio version of iOS 8 Without the Eye, I decided that audio was well covered and that I'd focus on text. Yes, you'll be able to get textual help via a range of sources, and some people will be happy installing the OS and discovering things for themselves, sharing their discoveries on a range of forums. But last year, we sold thousands of copies of the book. What that showed me was that some people prefer to have a coherent, consistent, comprehensive guide, written by a technical writer who can explain the concepts. The book is a work in progress right now, but already we're hitting the 25,000 word mark, about 63 pages in Microsoft Word and growing. It has been peer reviewed by a number of fellow testers, to make sure that I'm explaining things clearly enough, and that I've not left things out. It has already had its first draft sent to a copy editor, who has gone through it meticulously for readability and other factors. Each chapter has been carefully crafted, tweaked, and tweaked some more. That will continue to happen right up until iOS 8 release day. So I don't claim to have a monopoly on this knowledge. What I can promise you
Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
I have a feeling that if Jonathon offering this book for free, Joseph F will have totally different take on the book. Joseph, your first email was clearly personal atact on whoever that write this kind of training material. It is not personally towards Jonathon perhaps, but it is all the same. I'm not one who fancy manual, but i do see it's place for training manuals and guides. You are not say as much, but to dismiss the important of manuals and guides is like to asking a psychologist not to use DSM as a guide, and rely on their friends and mailling lists telling them things they need or, no need to know. Personally, i've not read the IOS7 without the Eye, or any of Mosen's books so i can't comment how useful, or not useful it is towards my personal and professional use of IOS. However, i do encourage others to get them, if they think they need some resource that they can rely on off the net. I'm sure this list, as well as some other list and applevis will come very handy on the release of ios8, but, not all people on this list have the same technical knowledge and skills to adapt for change, or embrace change. And, you do get some mix message as to how good and bad the new ios can be, from personal bias or experience, or lack of experience in some cases from the list.Just like, some people still hang on tight to ios4, or even 5. And even if Jonathon make money from the books, so what? It is a well earn money, and people paying for it because they believe he has things to say. On 29/07/2014, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, don't frame my previous post as a personal attack. Most on these list probably have no clue in terms of how people more clever than they are manipulating them. I posted a general opinion that does not pertain specifically to you but just so happens to include you in this case. There are many assistive technology teachers, trainers, and consultants or whatever they are now calling themselves who spend a great deal of time on these lists but contribute next to nothing when it comes to actually helping others. It isn't until their next money making scheme is released when they pop out of the dirt and start with the written smiles and happy talk about how much they've helped the blind community. I'm simply a bit upset at the fact that most of these people are nowhere to be found when John or Jane are struggling with an issue. I, and many other listers who are not finding the problems in the blindness community as dollar signs in our eyes do most of the heavy lifting. Don't forget that you too benefit from the generosity of contributors to this list as your knowledge increases by each of our posts, and guess what, we are helping you for free. The goal on this list is knowledge and spreading knowledge and not shameless self promotion. I just hope everyone takes my word as what it is, frustration from someone who has spent a great deal of time calling all over the world and donating hours at a time to help fellow blind computer users whether on the phone, Skype or via email. Joseph PS: for those who haven't caught on, again, in the message below, Jonathan is manipulating your emotions as he describes his benevolent reasoning behind his desired to help you all, but remember, his help to the blind community always comes with a price tag. He and other trainers already have all the knowledge to help others for free on these lists, but they never do without the exchange of your Paypal info. You tell me if his post below doesn't read as an advertisement. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:55 AM Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, I'm conscious that both our moderators are probably sleeping right now, and having moderated email lists over many years, I know what an unpleasant feeling it is to wake up to a list that's gone off the rails. So in an attempt to prevent that from happening, I thought I would add a few comments. It's not my intension to respond to personal attacks, however there are some substantive issues that may be helpful. First, my book, iOS 8 Without the Eye is by no means the only game in town for getting information about iOS 8 when it comes out. An excellent free source of information will be Applevis, a site of which I am a huge fan. You can be sure that free resources from there will include blog posts and podcasts. There are sure to be other places as well. I wrote iOS 7 Without the Eye last year because I got feedback that there was a need for it. As some of you may know, I've produced literally hundreds of hours at least of audio tutorials on a wide range of subjects, a few of which are in fact on Applevis. I also continue to get very kind feedback about the FSCasts I have done over the years on iTunes. Many people like to be talked through
Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
I agree with Jerry here, but I'll let the list moderators deal with the rudeness on the list. It is true that a lot of information will show up on this list, and even more information will be made freely available via podcasts on places like AppleVis.com. There are some people though who would like a well written and well organized introduction into the new features of IOS 8. It's much more efficient to go through such a book then it is to slog through all of the questions and answers that will show up on this list. It'll be a high traffic list when IOS 8 comes out, many questions will be repeated, opinions will be stated, subject lines won't be updated, threads will be hijacked and although it'll be a great resource, it could be a pretty tedious way to find the few nuggets of new information someone is particularly looking for in IOS 8. Jonathan has freely contributed a lot of information to the blindness community over the years, and I know I've learned a lot from his posts, his podcasts and his blog articles. I don't have a problem with someone putting his time and effort into writing a good resource for the blind and then putting it up for sale. I doubt anyone is going to get rich writing a book for the blind IOS user. If it's a good resource, and people are willing to pay for it, then it'll be successful and a useful tool for those who want to get that information in that format. Not everyone learns and picks up things in the same way so the more choices the better. I'm sure there are books for the sighted IOS user, so I see it as a good thing that we in the blindness community have the same type of choices. I know Jonathan is a professional who's been working in the blindness field for a while, so I'm assuming he will take the high road and not respond in kind to the post Jerry is referring to below. This is a public list, and none of us get to choose who is and is not on the list. We won't like every opinion that's expressed here, so hopefully everyone will consider the source and let a member express their opinion without it devolving into a flame war. On 07/29/2014 01:18 AM, Jerry Mader wrote: I am not trying to start a flame war here but I have to put my opinion in on this matter. I think that it is very rude what Joseph had said. I don't think that Jonathan is trying to make money off of us I think he's just trying to sell a book. You don't have to buy that book if you so desire sir but there may be other people who do. I wish that people wouldn't make such disrespectful comments. Because technically, we are very lucky to have this book! Do you know of any other place we can get this information besides this list and Jonathan's book? You tell me where to go? And I will go look. But I don't believe there is any other place. Jonathan has spent countless hours probably, researching all of this information to bring it to us in a straight forward way. Why disrespect the guy by saying what you did. That was not right. However you have your opinion I have mine. I'm just stating mine. I did not mean to start any trouble I was just saying what I felt. And I will be one who buys this book. It is only $20. That is not that expensive! It really isn't. Think about this would you rather spend $20 on something you can use, or spend $20 and something that you may never use? I've known things that people spend at least $20 on, that they never use. That I've known things like this book, that people spend money on and do use every day. Just thought I would throw my two cents in. Jerry Mader -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Joseph, I know you won't like to hear this, but your post is completely out of line. Jonathan is one of the most respected and knowledgeable people on this and many other lists. He contributes freely and he has probably forgotten more about technology than you will ever know. Jonathan honoured me by asking me to read the drafts of his book and to provide feedback and I also bought his book last year. These books are excellent references for any iOS user even one like you who apparently knows everything. One thing is for sure, you won't be making friends with that post of yours given Jonathan's reputation. There is also nothing which prevents you from writing a better and more comprehensive guide and to offer it for sale. I'm sure Cara would have no problem allowing you to promote it on the Viphone list if you did. Take care, Sieghard ---Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph FreeTech Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:02 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us. I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so tempting that I change my plans. Smile. Joseph the free tech guy! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any
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Why can't you be criticized on the list when you are the one who criticized Jonathan for his excellent book? I completely agree with Teresa. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph FreeTech Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye If you have any personal criticisms please write me off list, or you will end up wasting a great deal of list time. Joseph - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:55 PM Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Joseph, I think it's wrong and mean-spirited to post the way you did in this thread. Yes, I know I'm probably opening an explosive can of worms, but I have to call it as I see it. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us. I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so tempting that I change my plans. Smile. Joseph the free tech guy! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members
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Amen, Larry! Lucy Edmonds -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 11:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye However, Jonathan writes very well and the book is organized and indexed well for kindle and the material is easily retrieved. This is well worth the money to me. Some of like well-written documentation. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph FreeTech Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us. I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so tempting that I change my plans. Smile. Joseph the free tech guy! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you
RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
I agree Teresa! Lucy Edmonds From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 1:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Joseph, I think it's wrong and mean-spirited to post the way you did in this thread. Yes, I know I'm probably opening an explosive can of worms, but I have to call it as I see it. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.commailto:joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us. I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so tempting that I change my plans. Smile. Joseph the free tech guy! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.orgmailto:jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives
RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
Thanks very much for your post Jonathan! Very well said! Lucy Edmonds From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 3:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, I'm conscious that both our moderators are probably sleeping right now, and having moderated email lists over many years, I know what an unpleasant feeling it is to wake up to a list that's gone off the rails. So in an attempt to prevent that from happening, I thought I would add a few comments. It's not my intension to respond to personal attacks, however there are some substantive issues that may be helpful. First, my book, iOS 8 Without the Eye is by no means the only game in town for getting information about iOS 8 when it comes out. An excellent free source of information will be Applevis, a site of which I am a huge fan. You can be sure that free resources from there will include blog posts and podcasts. There are sure to be other places as well. I wrote iOS 7 Without the Eye last year because I got feedback that there was a need for it. As some of you may know, I've produced literally hundreds of hours at least of audio tutorials on a wide range of subjects, a few of which are in fact on Applevis. I also continue to get very kind feedback about the FSCasts I have done over the years on iTunes. Many people like to be talked through an application or operating system, hearing what the speech is doing. People who learn best this way are big fans of podcasts, if they're produced well. Equally, I hear from people who say that they prefer to learn from a book. I've done a few audio presentations since starting Mosen Consulting, but books like Tweeting Blind and the iOS without the Eye series have been well received because they're in writing. So rather than do an audio version of iOS 8 Without the Eye, I decided that audio was well covered and that I'd focus on text. Yes, you'll be able to get textual help via a range of sources, and some people will be happy installing the OS and discovering things for themselves, sharing their discoveries on a range of forums. But last year, we sold thousands of copies of the book. What that showed me was that some people prefer to have a coherent, consistent, comprehensive guide, written by a technical writer who can explain the concepts. The book is a work in progress right now, but already we're hitting the 25,000 word mark, about 63 pages in Microsoft Word and growing. It has been peer reviewed by a number of fellow testers, to make sure that I'm explaining things clearly enough, and that I've not left things out. It has already had its first draft sent to a copy editor, who has gone through it meticulously for readability and other factors. Each chapter has been carefully crafted, tweaked, and tweaked some more. That will continue to happen right up until iOS 8 release day. So I don't claim to have a monopoly on this knowledge. What I can promise you is that I've put many hours into writing all this up, explaining it as clearly as possible, and making sure it all jells. That will be worth 20 bucks to some of you, and it won't to others of you. That's the market for you. If there's no longer a need for the book, no one will buy it, and that will tell me whether I should do it again for iOS 9. All I have to serve as a guide about the need is the thousands that were bought last year. This list is a microcosm of the entire blind iPhone using community. Some people are experts, some are still struggling with the iPhone and find the prospect of a bunch of new and changed features daunting. Many experts will want this book because they'd prefer to invest in a tool that gets them going quickly, others will think it's a waste of their money. Many novice users, I suspect, will be glad to have someone they may know from elsewhere helping them through some new things. So if it helps you, consider the book. If it doesn't, please enjoy and support the many great contributors to our community, for which I'm sure many of us are grateful. And in fact, there's really no reason not to do both of those things if both options will be helpful to you. Thanks everyone. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group
RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
As a business owner that markets products to the blind iPhone using community, I am glad for as many resources as possible to recommend to customers. Buy the book if you like; if you don't, don't. It's really that simple. I'm of the mind that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I'm both amazed and rather ashamed to be in the blind community with how it seems to react and spread negativity around like poison in the online world, just because someone wrote a book and is profiting. I didn't see the same responses when National Braille Press came out with their various iPhone books. This is no different really. Maybe folks did react in a similar manner to that as well, but I don't recall having seen that. How really, is this different from the tons of technology ebooks out there that people self publish and put up on Kindle or smashwords? Thanks to the internet, anyone can be an author; and anyone can sell their books and publish with ease. Is it because this person happens to be in our community? You know, I believe that we are probably the only community in the disability world that seems to feel like it should get everything for free. This applies to books, or even software; which people spend many hours working on. The very idea that they should be paid for their time and resources. *gasps* I guess I just don't see why this has to come with ranting and discussion. Furthermore, what Jonathan did is simple business marketing. If nobody had purchased the prior book/s, he wouldn't have written this one. As people did, logic would dictate that there is or could be a need; therefore, the book for iOS 8 was/is being written. People learn very differently. Because so many are still using seriously outdated phones, the iPhone can be a huge learning curve. Hel, I can say first hand that when I got my 3GS what seems eons ago, even I benefited from and was glad to have written guides and tutorials. Not everyone has the luxury or wants to go to an A T trainer to learn how to use their new iPhone; while some do. Fact is, for lots the iPhone isn't as intuitive as it might seem for others. Not everyone is willing or able to play with something to figure it out. Just like there are those who move to a new area and require an OM trainer to learn how to get to the store and the like, rather than being willing to explore on their own and get lost in order to learn. Personally, while I won't be buying the book, (because I prefer to get used to the changes by using my phone on a daily basis,) I will continue to recommend it to customers who come to me in search of resources to help them to use their new iPhone. I have been at conventions and witnessed first hand the frustration of people who have had their phones for six months and cannot figure out how to use it and don't know where to turn. This is especially true as many seniors are now going into the iPhone world. It seems like what this comes down to is a matter of disliking someone. That's all well and good if that's how you feel, but then, just don't purchase. Did I really just see the word parasite in an earlier message? Do we really need to attack both the trolls that flame and the person who's trying to provide the service? Peace, Amy Billman Email: amy0...@gmail.com Connect with me on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybillman From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, I'm conscious that both our moderators are probably sleeping right now, and having moderated email lists over many years, I know what an unpleasant feeling it is to wake up to a list that's gone off the rails. So in an attempt to prevent that from happening, I thought I would add a few comments. It's not my intension to respond to personal attacks, however there are some substantive issues that may be helpful. First, my book, iOS 8 Without the Eye is by no means the only game in town for getting information about iOS 8 when it comes out. An excellent free source of information will be Applevis, a site of which I am a huge fan. You can be sure that free resources from there will include blog posts and podcasts. There are sure to be other places as well. I wrote iOS 7 Without the Eye last year because I got feedback that there was a need for it. As some of you may know, I've produced literally hundreds of hours at least of audio tutorials on a wide range of subjects, a few of which are in fact on Applevis. I also continue to get very kind feedback about the FSCasts I have done over the years on iTunes. Many people like to be talked through an application or operating system, hearing what the speech is doing. People who learn best this way are big fans of podcasts, if they're produced well. Equally, I hear from people who say that they prefer to learn from a book. I've done a few audio
Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
Well said, Christopher. Also, different people certainly have different learning styles, as Jonathan said. And people's patience and frustration levels with a new tool, such as iOS8 will be, also vary. Lists can only get you so far; and one often finds more negative messages about things wrong than messages about things right. yet the fact is that someone's 'major bug' often will be another's minor irritant - if even that. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I agree with Jerry here, but I'll let the list moderators deal with the rudeness on the list. It is true that a lot of information will show up on this list, and even more information will be made freely available via podcasts on places like AppleVis.com. There are some people though who would like a well written and well organized introduction into the new features of IOS 8. It's much more efficient to go through such a book then it is to slog through all of the questions and answers that will show up on this list. It'll be a high traffic list when IOS 8 comes out, many questions will be repeated, opinions will be stated, subject lines won't be updated, threads will be hijacked and although it'll be a great resource, it could be a pretty tedious way to find the few nuggets of new information someone is particularly looking for in IOS 8. Jonathan has freely contributed a lot of information to the blindness community over the years, and I know I've learned a lot from his posts, his podcasts and his blog articles. I don't have a problem with someone putting his time and effort into writing a good resource for the blind and then putting it up for sale. I doubt anyone is going to get rich writing a book for the blind IOS user. If it's a good resource, and people are willing to pay for it, then it'll be successful and a useful tool for those who want to get that information in that format. Not everyone learns and picks up things in the same way so the more choices the better. I'm sure there are books for the sighted IOS user, so I see it as a good thing that we in the blindness community have the same type of choices. I know Jonathan is a professional who's been working in the blindness field for a while, so I'm assuming he will take the high road and not respond in kind to the post Jerry is referring to below. This is a public list, and none of us get to choose who is and is not on the list. We won't like every opinion that's expressed here, so hopefully everyone will consider the source and let a member express their opinion without it devolving into a flame war. On 07/29/2014 01:18 AM, Jerry Mader wrote: I am not trying to start a flame war here but I have to put my opinion in on this matter. I think that it is very rude what Joseph had said. I don't think that Jonathan is trying to make money off of us I think he's just trying to sell a book. You don't have to buy that book if you so desire sir but there may be other people who do. I wish that people wouldn't make such disrespectful comments. Because technically, we are very lucky to have this book! Do you know of any other place we can get this information besides this list and Jonathan's book? You tell me where to go? And I will go look. But I don't believe there is any other place. Jonathan has spent countless hours probably, researching all of this information to bring it to us in a straight forward way. Why disrespect the guy by saying what you did. That was not right. However you have your opinion I have mine. I'm just stating mine. I did not mean to start any trouble I was just saying what I felt. And I will be one who buys this book. It is only $20. That is not that expensive! It really isn't. Think about this would you rather spend $20 on something you can use, or spend $20 and something that you may never use? I've known things that people spend at least $20 on, that they never use. That I've known things like this book, that people spend money on and do use every day. Just thought I would throw my two cents in. Jerry Mader -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit
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Let's show the same level of compassion toward others that we would like to receive. That's something you cannot learn from an iPhone. Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5s! On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:07 AM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: Well said, Christopher. Also, different people certainly have different learning styles, as Jonathan said. And people's patience and frustration levels with a new tool, such as iOS8 will be, also vary. Lists can only get you so far; and one often finds more negative messages about things wrong than messages about things right. yet the fact is that someone's 'major bug' often will be another's minor irritant - if even that. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I agree with Jerry here, but I'll let the list moderators deal with the rudeness on the list. It is true that a lot of information will show up on this list, and even more information will be made freely available via podcasts on places like AppleVis.com. There are some people though who would like a well written and well organized introduction into the new features of IOS 8. It's much more efficient to go through such a book then it is to slog through all of the questions and answers that will show up on this list. It'll be a high traffic list when IOS 8 comes out, many questions will be repeated, opinions will be stated, subject lines won't be updated, threads will be hijacked and although it'll be a great resource, it could be a pretty tedious way to find the few nuggets of new information someone is particularly looking for in IOS 8. Jonathan has freely contributed a lot of information to the blindness community over the years, and I know I've learned a lot from his posts, his podcasts and his blog articles. I don't have a problem with someone putting his time and effort into writing a good resource for the blind and then putting it up for sale. I doubt anyone is going to get rich writing a book for the blind IOS user. If it's a good resource, and people are willing to pay for it, then it'll be successful and a useful tool for those who want to get that information in that format. Not everyone learns and picks up things in the same way so the more choices the better. I'm sure there are books for the sighted IOS user, so I see it as a good thing that we in the blindness community have the same type of choices. I know Jonathan is a professional who's been working in the blindness field for a while, so I'm assuming he will take the high road and not respond in kind to the post Jerry is referring to below. This is a public list, and none of us get to choose who is and is not on the list. We won't like every opinion that's expressed here, so hopefully everyone will consider the source and let a member express their opinion without it devolving into a flame war. On 07/29/2014 01:18 AM, Jerry Mader wrote: I am not trying to start a flame war here but I have to put my opinion in on this matter. I think that it is very rude what Joseph had said. I don't think that Jonathan is trying to make money off of us I think he's just trying to sell a book. You don't have to buy that book if you so desire sir but there may be other people who do. I wish that people wouldn't make such disrespectful comments. Because technically, we are very lucky to have this book! Do you know of any other place we can get this information besides this list and Jonathan's book? You tell me where to go? And I will go look. But I don't believe there is any other place. Jonathan has spent countless hours probably, researching all of this information to bring it to us in a straight forward way. Why disrespect the guy by saying what you did. That was not right. However you have your opinion I have mine. I'm just stating mine. I did not mean to start any trouble I was just saying what I felt. And I will be one who buys this book. It is only $20. That is not that expensive! It really isn't. Think about this would you rather spend $20 on something you can use, or spend $20 and something that you may never use? I've known things that people spend at least $20 on, that they never use. That I've known things like this book, that people spend money on and do use every day. Just thought I would throw my two cents in. Jerry Mader -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com
RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
Hi, Joseph, you say that people like Jonathan could help others for free but they don't do it. Well, the mechanic that is going to do a tune up on my Suburban on Thursday could do that for free but he won't do it. The plumber that unstopped my drain could have done it for free but he didn't. That's how they make a living. Providing training to the blindness community is part of how Jonathan makes a living so, of course, he doesn't do it for free. Why would you expect him to? If someone wants to help someone else for free, that's fine but why should we just expect it? Don't you have to make a living too somehow? You have posted what you call an apology and, in it, you just attacked Jonathan further. You say that you are frustrated. That's fine but you don't have to post about it and attack others in the process. If you don't want to buy his book then don't but please leave him and the rest of us alone about it. Thanks, Scott Duck From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Billman Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 8:30 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye As a business owner that markets products to the blind iPhone using community, I am glad for as many resources as possible to recommend to customers. Buy the book if you like; if you don't, don't. It's really that simple. I'm of the mind that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I'm both amazed and rather ashamed to be in the blind community with how it seems to react and spread negativity around like poison in the online world, just because someone wrote a book and is profiting. I didn't see the same responses when National Braille Press came out with their various iPhone books. This is no different really. Maybe folks did react in a similar manner to that as well, but I don't recall having seen that. How really, is this different from the tons of technology ebooks out there that people self publish and put up on Kindle or smashwords? Thanks to the internet, anyone can be an author; and anyone can sell their books and publish with ease. Is it because this person happens to be in our community? You know, I believe that we are probably the only community in the disability world that seems to feel like it should get everything for free. This applies to books, or even software; which people spend many hours working on. The very idea that they should be paid for their time and resources. *gasps* I guess I just don't see why this has to come with ranting and discussion. Furthermore, what Jonathan did is simple business marketing. If nobody had purchased the prior book/s, he wouldn't have written this one. As people did, logic would dictate that there is or could be a need; therefore, the book for iOS 8 was/is being written. People learn very differently. Because so many are still using seriously outdated phones, the iPhone can be a huge learning curve. Hel, I can say first hand that when I got my 3GS what seems eons ago, even I benefited from and was glad to have written guides and tutorials. Not everyone has the luxury or wants to go to an A T trainer to learn how to use their new iPhone; while some do. Fact is, for lots the iPhone isn't as intuitive as it might seem for others. Not everyone is willing or able to play with something to figure it out. Just like there are those who move to a new area and require an OM trainer to learn how to get to the store and the like, rather than being willing to explore on their own and get lost in order to learn. Personally, while I won't be buying the book, (because I prefer to get used to the changes by using my phone on a daily basis,) I will continue to recommend it to customers who come to me in search of resources to help them to use their new iPhone. I have been at conventions and witnessed first hand the frustration of people who have had their phones for six months and cannot figure out how to use it and don't know where to turn. This is especially true as many seniors are now going into the iPhone world. It seems like what this comes down to is a matter of disliking someone. That's all well and good if that's how you feel, but then, just don't purchase. Did I really just see the word parasite in an earlier message? Do we really need to attack both the trolls that flame and the person who's trying to provide the service? Peace, Amy Billman Email: amy0...@gmail.com Connect with me on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybillman From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, I'm conscious that both our moderators are probably sleeping right now, and having moderated email lists over many years, I know what an unpleasant feeling it is to wake up to a list that's
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Joseph, I usually ignore posts like yours that appear on the list. However, this time I am going to jump in. Do you have any idea how many times Jonathan writes to people privately to help with problems? I'm going to guess you don't have access to that information. He has helped me more than once. It is really none of your business what Jonathan or anyone else on this list chooses to publish and sell. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Regarding your reminding all of us how much you do for free, there is an old saying, you get what you pay for in the end. Honestly, what you have written is the absolute lowest and most mean spirited thing I have ever seen on this list. Lynda -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph FreeTech Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Jonathan, don't frame my previous post as a personal attack. Most on these list probably have no clue in terms of how people more clever than they are manipulating them. I posted a general opinion that does not pertain specifically to you but just so happens to include you in this case. There are many assistive technology teachers, trainers, and consultants or whatever they are now calling themselves who spend a great deal of time on these lists but contribute next to nothing when it comes to actually helping others. It isn't until their next money making scheme is released when they pop out of the dirt and start with the written smiles and happy talk about how much they've helped the blind community. I'm simply a bit upset at the fact that most of these people are nowhere to be found when John or Jane are struggling with an issue. I, and many other listers who are not finding the problems in the blindness community as dollar signs in our eyes do most of the heavy lifting. Don't forget that you too benefit from the generosity of contributors to this list as your knowledge increases by each of our posts, and guess what, we are helping you for free. The goal on this list is knowledge and spreading knowledge and not shameless self promotion. I just hope everyone takes my word as what it is, frustration from someone who has spent a great deal of time calling all over the world and donating hours at a time to help fellow blind computer users whether on the phone, Skype or via email. Joseph PS: for those who haven't caught on, again, in the message below, Jonathan is manipulating your emotions as he describes his benevolent reasoning behind his desired to help you all, but remember, his help to the blind community always comes with a price tag. He and other trainers already have all the knowledge to help others for free on these lists, but they never do without the exchange of your Paypal info. You tell me if his post below doesn't read as an advertisement. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:55 AM Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, I'm conscious that both our moderators are probably sleeping right now, and having moderated email lists over many years, I know what an unpleasant feeling it is to wake up to a list that's gone off the rails. So in an attempt to prevent that from happening, I thought I would add a few comments. It's not my intension to respond to personal attacks, however there are some substantive issues that may be helpful. First, my book, iOS 8 Without the Eye is by no means the only game in town for getting information about iOS 8 when it comes out. An excellent free source of information will be Applevis, a site of which I am a huge fan. You can be sure that free resources from there will include blog posts and podcasts. There are sure to be other places as well. I wrote iOS 7 Without the Eye last year because I got feedback that there was a need for it. As some of you may know, I've produced literally hundreds of hours at least of audio tutorials on a wide range of subjects, a few of which are in fact on Applevis. I also continue to get very kind feedback about the FSCasts I have done over the years on iTunes. Many people like to be talked through an application or operating system, hearing what the speech is doing. People who learn best this way are big fans of podcasts, if they're produced well. Equally, I hear from people who say that they prefer to learn from a book. I've done a few audio presentations since starting Mosen Consulting, but books like Tweeting Blind and the iOS without the Eye series have been well received because they're in writing. So rather than do an audio version of iOS 8 Without the Eye, I decided that audio was well covered and that I'd focus on text. Yes, you'll be able to get textual help via a range of sources, and some people will be happy installing the OS and discovering things
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In addition, there are plenty of people and sites in the blindness community that make available resources for free. The day of iOS 7 release last year, AppleVis had all sorts of blog posts and podcasts about the features of iOS 7. Those who wanted more or a different approach could have gotten Jonathan's book. I got his book last year but after reading the many blog posts and podcasts of what iOS 7 had, not to mention the many emails from this list, I found that I knew all I needed to use it effectively. I have decided not to get Jonathan's book this year because of that, but I know he will sell a lot of copies because not everyone learns in the same way. Wayne On 7/29/14, Scott Duck l...@csdconsulting.biz wrote: Hi, Joseph, you say that people like Jonathan could help others for free but they don't do it. Well, the mechanic that is going to do a tune up on my Suburban on Thursday could do that for free but he won't do it. The plumber that unstopped my drain could have done it for free but he didn't. That's how they make a living. Providing training to the blindness community is part of how Jonathan makes a living so, of course, he doesn't do it for free. Why would you expect him to? If someone wants to help someone else for free, that's fine but why should we just expect it? Don't you have to make a living too somehow? You have posted what you call an apology and, in it, you just attacked Jonathan further. You say that you are frustrated. That's fine but you don't have to post about it and attack others in the process. If you don't want to buy his book then don't but please leave him and the rest of us alone about it. Thanks, Scott Duck From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Billman Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 8:30 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye As a business owner that markets products to the blind iPhone using community, I am glad for as many resources as possible to recommend to customers. Buy the book if you like; if you don't, don't. It's really that simple. I'm of the mind that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I'm both amazed and rather ashamed to be in the blind community with how it seems to react and spread negativity around like poison in the online world, just because someone wrote a book and is profiting. I didn't see the same responses when National Braille Press came out with their various iPhone books. This is no different really. Maybe folks did react in a similar manner to that as well, but I don't recall having seen that. How really, is this different from the tons of technology ebooks out there that people self publish and put up on Kindle or smashwords? Thanks to the internet, anyone can be an author; and anyone can sell their books and publish with ease. Is it because this person happens to be in our community? You know, I believe that we are probably the only community in the disability world that seems to feel like it should get everything for free. This applies to books, or even software; which people spend many hours working on. The very idea that they should be paid for their time and resources. *gasps* I guess I just don't see why this has to come with ranting and discussion. Furthermore, what Jonathan did is simple business marketing. If nobody had purchased the prior book/s, he wouldn't have written this one. As people did, logic would dictate that there is or could be a need; therefore, the book for iOS 8 was/is being written. People learn very differently. Because so many are still using seriously outdated phones, the iPhone can be a huge learning curve. Hel, I can say first hand that when I got my 3GS what seems eons ago, even I benefited from and was glad to have written guides and tutorials. Not everyone has the luxury or wants to go to an A T trainer to learn how to use their new iPhone; while some do. Fact is, for lots the iPhone isn't as intuitive as it might seem for others. Not everyone is willing or able to play with something to figure it out. Just like there are those who move to a new area and require an OM trainer to learn how to get to the store and the like, rather than being willing to explore on their own and get lost in order to learn. Personally, while I won't be buying the book, (because I prefer to get used to the changes by using my phone on a daily basis,) I will continue to recommend it to customers who come to me in search of resources to help them to use their new iPhone. I have been at conventions and witnessed first hand the frustration of people who have had their phones for six months and cannot figure out how to use it and don't know where to turn. This is especially true as many seniors are now going into the iPhone world. It seems like what this comes down to is a matter of disliking someone. That's
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Hello List, As several have pointed out, different strokes for different folks. Like on the Mac OS side there are a few ways to skin a cat and collectively from all the resources out there, I am able to choose the style that fits me best in performing a task whether it be navigating the iPhone or Mac or using an app more efficiently. I am eclectic in nature and I have found that various resources will add to the experience in using the OS or iOS environment. There have been other threads in the past that have been ridiculed on this list whether it be a new publication or an app that individuals feel are too expensive and there are some that feel that all items either books or apps should be free or cost almost nothing because being blind is an entitlement to receive stuff either for free or at a low cost. This is nothing new and hopefully, the monitors of this list will either close the thread and/or handle the inflammatory remarks off list. This is all I want to say and will begin to use that wonderful delete key on this thread. Thanks for listening. Cheers, Eileen -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Vece Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Let's show the same level of compassion toward others that we would like to receive. That's something you cannot learn from an iPhone. Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5s! On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:07 AM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: Well said, Christopher. Also, different people certainly have different learning styles, as Jonathan said. And people's patience and frustration levels with a new tool, such as iOS8 will be, also vary. Lists can only get you so far; and one often finds more negative messages about things wrong than messages about things right. yet the fact is that someone's 'major bug' often will be another's minor irritant - if even that. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye I agree with Jerry here, but I'll let the list moderators deal with the rudeness on the list. It is true that a lot of information will show up on this list, and even more information will be made freely available via podcasts on places like AppleVis.com. There are some people though who would like a well written and well organized introduction into the new features of IOS 8. It's much more efficient to go through such a book then it is to slog through all of the questions and answers that will show up on this list. It'll be a high traffic list when IOS 8 comes out, many questions will be repeated, opinions will be stated, subject lines won't be updated, threads will be hijacked and although it'll be a great resource, it could be a pretty tedious way to find the few nuggets of new information someone is particularly looking for in IOS 8. Jonathan has freely contributed a lot of information to the blindness community over the years, and I know I've learned a lot from his posts, his podcasts and his blog articles. I don't have a problem with someone putting his time and effort into writing a good resource for the blind and then putting it up for sale. I doubt anyone is going to get rich writing a book for the blind IOS user. If it's a good resource, and people are willing to pay for it, then it'll be successful and a useful tool for those who want to get that information in that format. Not everyone learns and picks up things in the same way so the more choices the better. I'm sure there are books for the sighted IOS user, so I see it as a good thing that we in the blindness community have the same type of choices. I know Jonathan is a professional who's been working in the blindness field for a while, so I'm assuming he will take the high road and not respond in kind to the post Jerry is referring to below. This is a public list, and none of us get to choose who is and is not on the list. We won't like every opinion that's expressed here, so hopefully everyone will consider the source and let a member express their opinion without it devolving into a flame war. On 07/29/2014 01:18 AM, Jerry Mader wrote: I am not trying to start a flame war here but I have to put my opinion in on this matter. I think that it is very rude what Joseph had said. I don't think that Jonathan is trying to make money off of us I think he's just trying to sell a book. You don't have to buy that book if you so desire sir but there may be other people who do. I wish that people wouldn't make such disrespectful comments. Because technically, we are very lucky to have this book! Do you know of any other place we can get this information besides this list and Jonathan's book? You tell
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does this store have a phone number? Betty Emmons - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 11:15 PM Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi Betty, you certainly can, it's still in the Mosen Consulting Store. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 29/07/2014, at 4:08 pm, Betty Emmons bettycemm...@gmail.com wrote: can we still get 7? Betty Emmons - Original Message - From: Larry Lumpkin llump...@austin.rr.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:07 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye However, Jonathan writes very well and the book is organized and indexed well for kindle and the material is easily retrieved. This is well worth the money to me. Some of like well-written documentation. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph FreeTech Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us. I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so tempting that I change my plans. Smile. Joseph the free tech guy! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
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Although I rarely use a book to learn preferring to uncover and discover features of a new system by myself. Just because that's the way I like doing it, I know too that my way is not everybody's way. I do appreciate all the work that goes in to writing a book and all the fact checking etc. I do appreciate your efforts and take my hat off to you for continuing to do so. Regards, Alan Birthdays are good for you; the more you have, the longer you live. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:55 AM Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, I'm conscious that both our moderators are probably sleeping right now, and having moderated email lists over many years, I know what an unpleasant feeling it is to wake up to a list that's gone off the rails. So in an attempt to prevent that from happening, I thought I would add a few comments. It's not my intension to respond to personal attacks, however there are some substantive issues that may be helpful. First, my book, iOS 8 Without the Eye is by no means the only game in town for getting information about iOS 8 when it comes out. An excellent free source of information will be Applevis, a site of which I am a huge fan. You can be sure that free resources from there will include blog posts and podcasts. There are sure to be other places as well. I wrote iOS 7 Without the Eye last year because I got feedback that there was a need for it. As some of you may know, I've produced literally hundreds of hours at least of audio tutorials on a wide range of subjects, a few of which are in fact on Applevis. I also continue to get very kind feedback about the FSCasts I have done over the years on iTunes. Many people like to be talked through an application or operating system, hearing what the speech is doing. People who learn best this way are big fans of podcasts, if they're produced well. Equally, I hear from people who say that they prefer to learn from a book. I've done a few audio presentations since starting Mosen Consulting, but books like Tweeting Blind and the iOS without the Eye series have been well received because they're in writing. So rather than do an audio version of iOS 8 Without the Eye, I decided that audio was well covered and that I'd focus on text. Yes, you'll be able to get textual help via a range of sources, and some people will be happy installing the OS and discovering things for themselves, sharing their discoveries on a range of forums. But last year, we sold thousands of copies of the book. What that showed me was that some people prefer to have a coherent, consistent, comprehensive guide, written by a technical writer who can explain the concepts. The book is a work in progress right now, but already we're hitting the 25,000 word mark, about 63 pages in Microsoft Word and growing. It has been peer reviewed by a number of fellow testers, to make sure that I'm explaining things clearly enough, and that I've not left things out. It has already had its first draft sent to a copy editor, who has gone through it meticulously for readability and other factors. Each chapter has been carefully crafted, tweaked, and tweaked some more. That will continue to happen right up until iOS 8 release day. So I don't claim to have a monopoly on this knowledge. What I can promise you is that I've put many hours into writing all this up, explaining it as clearly as possible, and making sure it all jells. That will be worth 20 bucks to some of you, and it won't to others of you. That's the market for you. If there's no longer a need for the book, no one will buy it, and that will tell me whether I should do it again for iOS 9. All I have to serve as a guide about the need is the thousands that were bought last year. This list is a microcosm of the entire blind iPhone using community. Some people are experts, some are still struggling with the iPhone and find the prospect of a bunch of new and changed features daunting. Many experts will want this book because they'd prefer to invest in a tool that gets them going quickly, others will think it's a waste of their money. Many novice users, I suspect, will be glad to have someone they may know from elsewhere helping them through some new things. So if it helps you, consider the book. If it doesn't, please enjoy and support the many great contributors to our community, for which I'm sure many of us are grateful. And in fact, there's really no reason not to do both of those things if both options will be helpful to you. Thanks everyone. Jonathan
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For what it’s worth, I also feel that was uncalled for. Most of us have known Jonathan for years and I can’t really think of many that have contributed as much in numerous ways to our community selflessly. His stuff has always been top notch. I see no reason why he shouldn’t get paid for quality work. People will buy or not buy for various reasons. If you don’t want to buy then don’t but don’t insult the man for selling his good work. Best regards, Rick Alfaro From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 1:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Joseph, I think it's wrong and mean-spirited to post the way you did in this thread. Yes, I know I'm probably opening an explosive can of worms, but I have to call it as I see it. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com mailto:joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us. I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so tempting that I change my plans. Smile. Joseph the free tech guy! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone
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Back when I was first learning iOS with my first iPhone, what ended up helping me a lot was one of the missing guide books by David Pogue that I got off of BookShare. I of course subscribed to the different iOS mailing lists and poked around online for podcasts and information. Those resources were of course helpful, but my main learning tool was that book. There is something to be said to have a centralized source of information where one can refer to. By the time Jonathan’s iOS 7 book came out, I more or less had iOS figured out. Otherwise, I would have given it some consideration. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye For what it’s worth, I also feel that was uncalled for. Most of us have known Jonathan for years and I can’t really think of many that have contributed as much in numerous ways to our community selflessly. His stuff has always been top notch. I see no reason why he shouldn’t get paid for quality work. People will buy or not buy for various reasons. If you don’t want to buy then don’t but don’t insult the man for selling his good work. Best regards, Rick Alfaro From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 1:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Joseph, I think it's wrong and mean-spirited to post the way you did in this thread. Yes, I know I'm probably opening an explosive can of worms, but I have to call it as I see it. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us. I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so tempting that I change my plans. Smile. Joseph the free tech guy! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you
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I just preordered the book, and I'm definitely looking forward to getting my hands on it. I'm the type of person who enjoys reading manuals, so I feel I'll get a lot out of Jonathan's book. I listen to podcasts, too, but I find that when I do, sometimes people talk a lot, and I'd rather have them get to the point than have them ramble on like they are. This doesn't always happen, of course, but I find that having materials in text lets me go at my own pace, be that faster or slower, and have more control over the experience. Thanks, Ari On Jul 29, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Cristóbal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: Back when I was first learning iOS with my first iPhone, what ended up helping me a lot was one of the missing guide books by David Pogue that I got off of BookShare. I of course subscribed to the different iOS mailing lists and poked around online for podcasts and information. Those resources were of course helpful, but my main learning tool was that book. There is something to be said to have a centralized source of information where one can refer to. By the time Jonathan’s iOS 7 book came out, I more or less had iOS figured out. Otherwise, I would have given it some consideration. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye For what it’s worth, I also feel that was uncalled for. Most of us have known Jonathan for years and I can’t really think of many that have contributed as much in numerous ways to our community selflessly. His stuff has always been top notch. I see no reason why he shouldn’t get paid for quality work. People will buy or not buy for various reasons. If you don’t want to buy then don’t but don’t insult the man for selling his good work. Best regards, Rick Alfaro From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 1:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Joseph, I think it's wrong and mean-spirited to post the way you did in this thread. Yes, I know I'm probably opening an explosive can of worms, but I have to call it as I see it. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us. I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so tempting that I change my plans. Smile. Joseph the free tech guy! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators
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That's an apt response. I have several books on iPhone 6 because I find that no book covers everything. If 8 is substantially different from 7, I'll most likely do the same. I'm very grateful to the writers of those books. - Original Message - From: Amy Billman To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 9:29 AM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye As a business owner that markets products to the blind iPhone using community, I am glad for as many resources as possible to recommend to customers. Buy the book if you like; if you don't, don't. It's really that simple. I'm of the mind that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I'm both amazed and rather ashamed to be in the blind community with how it seems to react and spread negativity around like poison in the online world, just because someone wrote a book and is profiting. I didn't see the same responses when National Braille Press came out with their various iPhone books. This is no different really. Maybe folks did react in a similar manner to that as well, but I don't recall having seen that. How really, is this different from the tons of technology ebooks out there that people self publish and put up on Kindle or smashwords? Thanks to the internet, anyone can be an author; and anyone can sell their books and publish with ease. Is it because this person happens to be in our community? You know, I believe that we are probably the only community in the disability world that seems to feel like it should get everything for free. This applies to books, or even software; which people spend many hours working on. The very idea that they should be paid for their time and resources. *gasps* I guess I just don't see why this has to come with ranting and discussion. Furthermore, what Jonathan did is simple business marketing. If nobody had purchased the prior book/s, he wouldn't have written this one. As people did, logic would dictate that there is or could be a need; therefore, the book for iOS 8 was/is being written. People learn very differently. Because so many are still using seriously outdated phones, the iPhone can be a huge learning curve. Hel, I can say first hand that when I got my 3GS what seems eons ago, even I benefited from and was glad to have written guides and tutorials. Not everyone has the luxury or wants to go to an A T trainer to learn how to use their new iPhone; while some do. Fact is, for lots the iPhone isn't as intuitive as it might seem for others. Not everyone is willing or able to play with something to figure it out. Just like there are those who move to a new area and require an OM trainer to learn how to get to the store and the like, rather than being willing to explore on their own and get lost in order to learn. Personally, while I won't be buying the book, (because I prefer to get used to the changes by using my phone on a daily basis,) I will continue to recommend it to customers who come to me in search of resources to help them to use their new iPhone. I have been at conventions and witnessed first hand the frustration of people who have had their phones for six months and cannot figure out how to use it and don't know where to turn. This is especially true as many seniors are now going into the iPhone world. It seems like what this comes down to is a matter of disliking someone. That's all well and good if that's how you feel, but then, just don't purchase. Did I really just see the word parasite in an earlier message? Do we really need to attack both the trolls that flame and the person who's trying to provide the service? Peace, Amy Billman Email: amy0...@gmail.com Connect with me on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybillman From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, I'm conscious that both our moderators are probably sleeping right now, and having moderated email lists over many years, I know what an unpleasant feeling it is to wake up to a list that's gone off the rails. So in an attempt to prevent that from happening, I thought I would add a few comments. It's not my intension to respond to personal attacks, however there are some substantive issues that may be helpful. First, my book, iOS 8 Without the Eye is by no means the only game in town for getting information about iOS 8 when it comes out. An excellent free source of information will be Applevis, a site of which I am a huge fan. You can be sure that free resources from there will include blog posts and podcasts. There are sure to be other places as well. I wrote iOS 7 Without the Eye last year because I got feedback that there was a need
Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us. I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so tempting that I change my plans. Smile. Joseph the free tech guy! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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However, Jonathan writes very well and the book is organized and indexed well for kindle and the material is easily retrieved. This is well worth the money to me. Some of like well-written documentation. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph FreeTech Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us. I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so tempting that I change my plans. Smile. Joseph the free tech guy! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone
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can we still get 7? Betty Emmons - Original Message - From: Larry Lumpkin llump...@austin.rr.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:07 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye However, Jonathan writes very well and the book is organized and indexed well for kindle and the material is easily retrieved. This is well worth the money to me. Some of like well-written documentation. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph FreeTech Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us. I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so tempting that I change my plans. Smile. Joseph the free tech guy! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from
Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
Hi Betty, you certainly can, it's still in the Mosen Consulting Store. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 29/07/2014, at 4:08 pm, Betty Emmons bettycemm...@gmail.com wrote: can we still get 7? Betty Emmons - Original Message - From: Larry Lumpkin llump...@austin.rr.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:07 PM Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye However, Jonathan writes very well and the book is organized and indexed well for kindle and the material is easily retrieved. This is well worth the money to me. Some of like well-written documentation. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph FreeTech Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us. I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so tempting that I change my plans. Smile. Joseph the free tech guy! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's
Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
I purchased the book when the email was posted. I believe this book will be very useful as I am in the technology field. Regards, Feliciano Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:30 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
Joseph, I think it's wrong and mean-spirited to post the way you did in this thread. Yes, I know I'm probably opening an explosive can of worms, but I have to call it as I see it. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us. I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so tempting that I change my plans. Smile. Joseph the free tech guy! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here. Last year, I wrote a book called iOS 7 Without the Eye. The response was just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8. I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for iOS 8 Without the Eye. It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day. Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart button, can be found here. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group
