Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
I was just thinking that even when a moderator asks a topic to stop, there are going to be a few messages from people who didn't read it by the time they had already responded. That's normal and to be expected. However when some of you continue writing on a closed thread even though you obviously know you shouldnt shows an utter lack of respect. At this point I'm ready to start revoking posting by some list members. Thanks much On Dec 26, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Who is Karen? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Joseph Hudson jhud7...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 2:23 PM Subject: Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hi Karen, if you and your co-owner ever need any assistance during holidays or Times that you are busy y'all can always feel free to asked somebody like myself off list to do this as I would not mind hoping out in any way that I possibly can. Thank you very much for stopping the thread and you have a wonderful rest of your holiday. On Dec 26, 2014, at 3:20 AM, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Hi All, Firstly, happy holidays to those who celebrate various end-of-year holidays and joy also to those who do not. You all rock! :) Now, you all sure love drama here! :) -And, for the record, I am posting on this now as there is a bit of an outcry from several here for moderation. I've been away from the list today so have not seen all this until now. I will write a more appropriate and more complete and descriptive note quite honestly, when I am actually awake. :) I find it interesting that pretty much everyone knows this thread should end but in fact, no one is simply not posting to it anymore. You all have the power to end this topic yourselves. -Yes? I get it. You want to chime in about something that is important to you. We all do from time to time. :) However, if you desire silence, then be silent. If you desire respect, be respectful. If you need an official directive, then please all, close this topic immediately. Raul and I will deal with whatever aspects of this whole matter there are, which need to be dealt with. Please just bear with us a bit and be kind / respectful to each other *big smile* Talk with you soon and apologies for the list clutter. Cheers! Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com On Dec 26, 2014, at 1:39 AM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: I think the mods should really take some action against such behaviour. It is a spam for the list. Joke from a friend of a member, who manage to log in as the member, and manage to post such thing to an email list is rather, unacceptable. Is like, i took my mum's credit card, and wne to get myself a new iphone, then, i try to explain to the bank that, oops, sorry, it is just meant to be a joke for my mum... I think, such behaviour should be condam by the moderators, either looking at, temporary ban or even permernant ban. If, no action taken for such individual, how can we make sure than, members on this list will treat each other with respect? We are not talking about $0.99C worth of gift, we are talking about potentially $99.95 worth of gift that, what, coming out as a oops, sorry, just a joke, for the spirit of the season, forgive me? It is not a matter of either other people see the need of such individual, and willing to give it or not, it is the matter of, this particular individual is fooling us around, and being somewhat disrespectful to the guidelines, objectives, and to other members that is on the list, not to say it is somewhat disrespectful to the list owners and moderators. i think, in some sense, it might even consider as a criminal act. Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 26 Dec 2014, at 17:41, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Joke or no joke, where are the monitors of this group? For a member of this list serve to post a prank should be band from the list. There have been many posts on this thread that are beginning to clutter up my inbox. This thread needs to be closed. I know I'm not a monitor or the list owner, but enough is enough with this. If the monitors want to place me on monitor status for voicing my opinion, then go right ahead. The members of this list shouldn't have to put up with this kind of warped sense of humor. JMO. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Cristóbal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: More likely he didn't realise the dust up his post would cause and how poorly it would be received. Whether a friend did indeed do it, which I don’t'
RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
I was offended by someone would so bluntly post a message asking for a gift. This is all I have to say on the subject. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of alia robinson Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 11:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I don’t celebrate this day as some don’t, and if we let one person ask for money/gifts then everyone should be able, so hey throw some my way! personally I have no interest in a list like that. I come here for help/advice, period. On Dec 25, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Patti Johnson pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, Terrie! I mean, what is this day all about but to show compassion and kindness to our fellow human beings, not to get smart alecky and snide to some one that in truth may come from a place where he doesn't have all the resources we all do. Drop the sarcasm, please! It's just not right. Especially not today. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
And, may I ask, didn't all of you who took exception to his post did not simply exercise their right to press the delete key and get on with life. It would have been a lot more pleasant for all on list. Just a thought Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon A. Olivares Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! When I first heard about this app, I had to save for two months to be able to afford it. Everyone is in different circumstances, some better than others, and it was tough seeing others who were just able to plop down $100 like that, but I had to be patient. I think it’s beneath our dignity as blind people to beg for anything, no matter the culture. An app is not a need; it’s a want. It’s a luxury. It’s a great thing to have that makes life easier, but we went for a long time without it. It’s better to be financially responsible and save what you need until you have enough. Just my $0.02. On Dec 25, 2014, at 4:19 PM, May McDonald Homuth m...@canadianlynx.ca wrote: I totally agree. This was totally bad taste. Why not ask your family and friends? May and LD, Luna Moon! www.canadianlynx.ca m...@canadianlynx.ca On Dec 25, 2014, at 11:45 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: I don’t come on this list to listen to someone ask for money and gifts. IMO it’s not appropriate. I would love to have a lot of things, but never would I have the bad taste to go on a list like this and ask for it. On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:50 AM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
I think the mods should really take some action against such behaviour. It is a spam for the list. Joke from a friend of a member, who manage to log in as the member, and manage to post such thing to an email list is rather, unacceptable. Is like, i took my mum's credit card, and wne to get myself a new iphone, then, i try to explain to the bank that, oops, sorry, it is just meant to be a joke for my mum... I think, such behaviour should be condam by the moderators, either looking at, temporary ban or even permernant ban. If, no action taken for such individual, how can we make sure than, members on this list will treat each other with respect? We are not talking about $0.99C worth of gift, we are talking about potentially $99.95 worth of gift that, what, coming out as a oops, sorry, just a joke, for the spirit of the season, forgive me? It is not a matter of either other people see the need of such individual, and willing to give it or not, it is the matter of, this particular individual is fooling us around, and being somewhat disrespectful to the guidelines, objectives, and to other members that is on the list, not to say it is somewhat disrespectful to the list owners and moderators. i think, in some sense, it might even consider as a criminal act. Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 26 Dec 2014, at 17:41, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Joke or no joke, where are the monitors of this group? For a member of this list serve to post a prank should be band from the list. There have been many posts on this thread that are beginning to clutter up my inbox. This thread needs to be closed. I know I'm not a monitor or the list owner, but enough is enough with this. If the monitors want to place me on monitor status for voicing my opinion, then go right ahead. The members of this list shouldn't have to put up with this kind of warped sense of humor. JMO. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Cristóbal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: More likely he didn't realise the dust up his post would cause and how poorly it would be received. Whether a friend did indeed do it, which I don’t' really believe at all, hopefully this whole thread will go away now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kerri G Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I cannot believe this. Someone was willing to send you money for this and it’s a joke? On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:40 PM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: sorry friends don't fight my friend screwd all I already scolded him please understand the mind of college teenager being adults you all please ignore and enjoy don't fight for any unintentionally done mistake he is also feeling sorry for this . do forgive him and merry xmas and happy new year to all . On 12/26/14, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: hello friends sorry for the inconvience caused actually my friend wrote this message using my id he was joking and nothing at all I kicked him he was just playing and nothing serious at all just holidays funny activity sorry ignore this and happy xmas and new year to all take it in a good sense and ignore love you all. I have knfb already sorry for my friends behavior . On 12/26/14, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote: I would like to ask you, what do you entitle “bashers and flamers' On Dec 25, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com wrote: I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator. So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed. This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are giving this person all kinds of grief for posting something that may or may not have been appropriate. None of us lowly list members have the power to say, unequivocally whether this person's post was appropriate or not, so I think this thread should end until the moderators get back and handle it. Either way, I believe it's a shame to have to come to my e-mail, and see nothing but hatred being spewed on a list that is there for the sole purpose of helping others out. Merry Christmas, or what ever other holiday you happen to celebrate at this time of year, I'm sure you're making your religion very proud. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-888-640-6661 Fax: 1-888-640-6669 Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Work: viptrain...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless
RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
Definitely some poor judgement here and all that. But what if a friend was over and maybe your computer was on and your friend knew you were on this list and they posted some stupid message as yourself, you would probably hope not to be banned from this list. Anyhow, I guess it's time to drop it and move on. We don't know anything about Ram, where he/she is from and for all I know he/she is 18 years old and a friend really did do this thinking it was great fun. Isn't it innocent until proven guilty? Happy New Year all, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joanne Chua Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 12:40 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I think the mods should really take some action against such behaviour. It is a spam for the list. Joke from a friend of a member, who manage to log in as the member, and manage to post such thing to an email list is rather, unacceptable. Is like, i took my mum's credit card, and wne to get myself a new iphone, then, i try to explain to the bank that, oops, sorry, it is just meant to be a joke for my mum... I think, such behaviour should be condam by the moderators, either looking at, temporary ban or even permernant ban. If, no action taken for such individual, how can we make sure than, members on this list will treat each other with respect? We are not talking about $0.99C worth of gift, we are talking about potentially $99.95 worth of gift that, what, coming out as a oops, sorry, just a joke, for the spirit of the season, forgive me? It is not a matter of either other people see the need of such individual, and willing to give it or not, it is the matter of, this particular individual is fooling us around, and being somewhat disrespectful to the guidelines, objectives, and to other members that is on the list, not to say it is somewhat disrespectful to the list owners and moderators. i think, in some sense, it might even consider as a criminal act. Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 26 Dec 2014, at 17:41, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Joke or no joke, where are the monitors of this group? For a member of this list serve to post a prank should be band from the list. There have been many posts on this thread that are beginning to clutter up my inbox. This thread needs to be closed. I know I'm not a monitor or the list owner, but enough is enough with this. If the monitors want to place me on monitor status for voicing my opinion, then go right ahead. The members of this list shouldn't have to put up with this kind of warped sense of humor. JMO. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Cristóbal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: More likely he didn't realise the dust up his post would cause and how poorly it would be received. Whether a friend did indeed do it, which I don’t' really believe at all, hopefully this whole thread will go away now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kerri G Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I cannot believe this. Someone was willing to send you money for this and it’s a joke? On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:40 PM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: sorry friends don't fight my friend screwd all I already scolded him please understand the mind of college teenager being adults you all please ignore and enjoy don't fight for any unintentionally done mistake he is also feeling sorry for this . do forgive him and merry xmas and happy new year to all . On 12/26/14, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: hello friends sorry for the inconvience caused actually my friend wrote this message using my id he was joking and nothing at all I kicked him he was just playing and nothing serious at all just holidays funny activity sorry ignore this and happy xmas and new year to all take it in a good sense and ignore love you all. I have knfb already sorry for my friends behavior . On 12/26/14, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote: I would like to ask you, what do you entitle “bashers and flamers' On Dec 25, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com wrote: I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator. So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed. This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are giving this person all
Moderator Note -was- Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
Hi All, Firstly, happy holidays to those who celebrate various end-of-year holidays and joy also to those who do not. You all rock! :) Now, you all sure love drama here! :) -And, for the record, I am posting on this now as there is a bit of an outcry from several here for moderation. I've been away from the list today so have not seen all this until now. I will write a more appropriate and more complete and descriptive note quite honestly, when I am actually awake. :) I find it interesting that pretty much everyone knows this thread should end but in fact, no one is simply not posting to it anymore. You all have the power to end this topic yourselves. -Yes? I get it. You want to chime in about something that is important to you. We all do from time to time. :) However, if you desire silence, then be silent. If you desire respect, be respectful. If you need an official directive, then please all, close this topic immediately. Raul and I will deal with whatever aspects of this whole matter there are, which need to be dealt with. Please just bear with us a bit and be kind / respectful to each other *big smile* Talk with you soon and apologies for the list clutter. Cheers! Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com On Dec 26, 2014, at 1:39 AM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: I think the mods should really take some action against such behaviour. It is a spam for the list. Joke from a friend of a member, who manage to log in as the member, and manage to post such thing to an email list is rather, unacceptable. Is like, i took my mum's credit card, and wne to get myself a new iphone, then, i try to explain to the bank that, oops, sorry, it is just meant to be a joke for my mum... I think, such behaviour should be condam by the moderators, either looking at, temporary ban or even permernant ban. If, no action taken for such individual, how can we make sure than, members on this list will treat each other with respect? We are not talking about $0.99C worth of gift, we are talking about potentially $99.95 worth of gift that, what, coming out as a oops, sorry, just a joke, for the spirit of the season, forgive me? It is not a matter of either other people see the need of such individual, and willing to give it or not, it is the matter of, this particular individual is fooling us around, and being somewhat disrespectful to the guidelines, objectives, and to other members that is on the list, not to say it is somewhat disrespectful to the list owners and moderators. i think, in some sense, it might even consider as a criminal act. Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 26 Dec 2014, at 17:41, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Joke or no joke, where are the monitors of this group? For a member of this list serve to post a prank should be band from the list. There have been many posts on this thread that are beginning to clutter up my inbox. This thread needs to be closed. I know I'm not a monitor or the list owner, but enough is enough with this. If the monitors want to place me on monitor status for voicing my opinion, then go right ahead. The members of this list shouldn't have to put up with this kind of warped sense of humor. JMO. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Cristóbal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: More likely he didn't realise the dust up his post would cause and how poorly it would be received. Whether a friend did indeed do it, which I don’t' really believe at all, hopefully this whole thread will go away now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kerri G Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I cannot believe this. Someone was willing to send you money for this and it’s a joke? On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:40 PM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: sorry friends don't fight my friend screwd all I already scolded him please understand the mind of college teenager being adults you all please ignore and enjoy don't fight for any unintentionally done mistake he is also feeling sorry for this . do forgive him and merry xmas and happy new year to all . On 12/26/14, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: hello friends sorry for the inconvience caused actually my friend wrote this message using my id he was joking and nothing at all I kicked him he was just playing and nothing serious at all just holidays funny activity sorry ignore this and happy xmas and new year to all take it in a good sense and ignore love you all. I have knfb already sorry for my friends behavior . On 12/26/14, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote: I would like to ask you, what do you entitle
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
Tell your friend to be like Santa in the spring time. Give him some garden tools and tell him to hoe, hoe, hoe. (Sorry, but I had to get rid of that awful pun. Have a happy new year. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 11:25 PM Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! hello friends sorry for the inconvience caused actually my friend wrote this message using my id he was joking and nothing at all I kicked him he was just playing and nothing serious at all just holidays funny activity sorry ignore this and happy xmas and new year to all take it in a good sense and ignore love you all. I have knfb already sorry for my friends behavior . On 12/26/14, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote: I would like to ask you, what do you entitle “bashers and flamers' On Dec 25, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com wrote: I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator. So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed. This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are giving this person all kinds of grief for posting something that may or may not have been appropriate. None of us lowly list members have the power to say, unequivocally whether this person's post was appropriate or not, so I think this thread should end until the moderators get back and handle it. Either way, I believe it's a shame to have to come to my e-mail, and see nothing but hatred being spewed on a list that is there for the sole purpose of helping others out. Merry Christmas, or what ever other holiday you happen to celebrate at this time of year, I'm sure you're making your religion very proud. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-888-640-6661 Fax: 1-888-640-6669 Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Work: viptrain...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's
Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
I figured that you had not moderated the list because, just like us, you are humans. You were probably celebrating the Holidays just like we were. You were spending quality time with friends and families. I don't blame either of you for not stopping the thread in a timely manner. I respect the work you do for the list and the time it takes you to do it. Keep up the good work, both you and Raul, and have a happy new year, too. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 3:20 AM Subject: Moderator Note -was- Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hi All, Firstly, happy holidays to those who celebrate various end-of-year holidays and joy also to those who do not. You all rock! :) Now, you all sure love drama here! :) -And, for the record, I am posting on this now as there is a bit of an outcry from several here for moderation. I've been away from the list today so have not seen all this until now. I will write a more appropriate and more complete and descriptive note quite honestly, when I am actually awake. :) I find it interesting that pretty much everyone knows this thread should end but in fact, no one is simply not posting to it anymore. You all have the power to end this topic yourselves. -Yes? I get it. You want to chime in about something that is important to you. We all do from time to time. :) However, if you desire silence, then be silent. If you desire respect, be respectful. If you need an official directive, then please all, close this topic immediately. Raul and I will deal with whatever aspects of this whole matter there are, which need to be dealt with. Please just bear with us a bit and be kind / respectful to each other *big smile* Talk with you soon and apologies for the list clutter. Cheers! Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com On Dec 26, 2014, at 1:39 AM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: I think the mods should really take some action against such behaviour. It is a spam for the list. Joke from a friend of a member, who manage to log in as the member, and manage to post such thing to an email list is rather, unacceptable. Is like, i took my mum's credit card, and wne to get myself a new iphone, then, i try to explain to the bank that, oops, sorry, it is just meant to be a joke for my mum... I think, such behaviour should be condam by the moderators, either looking at, temporary ban or even permernant ban. If, no action taken for such individual, how can we make sure than, members on this list will treat each other with respect? We are not talking about $0.99C worth of gift, we are talking about potentially $99.95 worth of gift that, what, coming out as a oops, sorry, just a joke, for the spirit of the season, forgive me? It is not a matter of either other people see the need of such individual, and willing to give it or not, it is the matter of, this particular individual is fooling us around, and being somewhat disrespectful to the guidelines, objectives, and to other members that is on the list, not to say it is somewhat disrespectful to the list owners and moderators. i think, in some sense, it might even consider as a criminal act. Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 26 Dec 2014, at 17:41, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Joke or no joke, where are the monitors of this group? For a member of this list serve to post a prank should be band from the list. There have been many posts on this thread that are beginning to clutter up my inbox. This thread needs to be closed. I know I'm not a monitor or the list owner, but enough is enough with this. If the monitors want to place me on monitor status for voicing my opinion, then go right ahead. The members of this list shouldn't have to put up with this kind of warped sense of humor. JMO. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Cristóbal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: More likely he didn't realise the dust up his post would cause and how poorly it would be received. Whether a friend did indeed do it, which I don’t' really believe at all, hopefully this whole thread will go away now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kerri G Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I cannot believe this. Someone was willing to send you money for this and it’s a joke? On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:40 PM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: sorry friends don't fight my friend screwd all I already scolded him please
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
I hope though that we haven't forgotten what Scrooge eventually learned. Laugh. Have a good Christmas and New Year break, all. -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 3:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! For me, it's not hatred for a person. How could it be if I don't know the person? It is the content of the original post that bothers me, and don't we all have a right to voice our opinion on the matter? Thanks. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:52 PM Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator. So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed. This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are giving this person all kinds of grief for posting something that may or may not have been appropriate. None of us lowly list members have the power to say, unequivocally whether this person's post was appropriate or not, so I think this thread should end until the moderators get back and handle it. Either way, I believe it's a shame to have to come to my e-mail, and see nothing but hatred being spewed on a list that is there for the sole purpose of helping others out. Merry Christmas, or what ever other holiday you happen to celebrate at this time of year, I'm sure you're making your religion very proud. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-888-640-6661 Fax: 1-888-640-6669 Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Work: viptrain...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. ---
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Definitely that sort of thing can happen, even to a tech person (who trusted some younger nephewsnieces , as did happen to a friend of mine some years ago. The young'un sent emails with rather unflttering nicknames to a listserv friend was on, and I was surrprised at it all. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 8:54 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Definitely some poor judgement here and all that. But what if a friend was over and maybe your computer was on and your friend knew you were on this list and they posted some stupid message as yourself, you would probably hope not to be banned from this list. Anyhow, I guess it's time to drop it and move on. We don't know anything about Ram, where he/she is from and for all I know he/she is 18 years old and a friend really did do this thinking it was great fun. Isn't it innocent until proven guilty? Happy New Year all, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joanne Chua Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 12:40 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I think the mods should really take some action against such behaviour. It is a spam for the list. Joke from a friend of a member, who manage to log in as the member, and manage to post such thing to an email list is rather, unacceptable. Is like, i took my mum's credit card, and wne to get myself a new iphone, then, i try to explain to the bank that, oops, sorry, it is just meant to be a joke for my mum... I think, such behaviour should be condam by the moderators, either looking at, temporary ban or even permernant ban. If, no action taken for such individual, how can we make sure than, members on this list will treat each other with respect? We are not talking about $0.99C worth of gift, we are talking about potentially $99.95 worth of gift that, what, coming out as a oops, sorry, just a joke, for the spirit of the season, forgive me? It is not a matter of either other people see the need of such individual, and willing to give it or not, it is the matter of, this particular individual is fooling us around, and being somewhat disrespectful to the guidelines, objectives, and to other members that is on the list, not to say it is somewhat disrespectful to the list owners and moderators. i think, in some sense, it might even consider as a criminal act. Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 26 Dec 2014, at 17:41, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Joke or no joke, where are the monitors of this group? For a member of this list serve to post a prank should be band from the list. There have been many posts on this thread that are beginning to clutter up my inbox. This thread needs to be closed. I know I'm not a monitor or the list owner, but enough is enough with this. If the monitors want to place me on monitor status for voicing my opinion, then go right ahead. The members of this list shouldn't have to put up with this kind of warped sense of humor. JMO. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Cristóbal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: More likely he didn't realise the dust up his post would cause and how poorly it would be received. Whether a friend did indeed do it, which I don’t' really believe at all, hopefully this whole thread will go away now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kerri G Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I cannot believe this. Someone was willing to send you money for this and it’s a joke? On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:40 PM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: sorry friends don't fight my friend screwd all I already scolded him please understand the mind of college teenager being adults you all please ignore and enjoy don't fight for any unintentionally done mistake he is also feeling sorry for this . do forgive him and merry xmas and happy new year to all . On 12/26/14, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: hello friends sorry for the inconvience caused actually my friend wrote this message using my id he was joking and nothing at all I kicked him he was just playing and nothing serious at all just holidays funny activity sorry ignore this and happy xmas and new year to all take it in a good sense and ignore love you all. I have knfb already sorry for my friends behavior . On 12/26/14, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote: I would like to ask you, what do you entitle “bashers and flamers' On Dec 25, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Victor
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Hi Karen, if you and your co-owner ever need any assistance during holidays or Times that you are busy y'all can always feel free to asked somebody like myself off list to do this as I would not mind hoping out in any way that I possibly can. Thank you very much for stopping the thread and you have a wonderful rest of your holiday. On Dec 26, 2014, at 3:20 AM, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Hi All, Firstly, happy holidays to those who celebrate various end-of-year holidays and joy also to those who do not. You all rock! :) Now, you all sure love drama here! :) -And, for the record, I am posting on this now as there is a bit of an outcry from several here for moderation. I've been away from the list today so have not seen all this until now. I will write a more appropriate and more complete and descriptive note quite honestly, when I am actually awake. :) I find it interesting that pretty much everyone knows this thread should end but in fact, no one is simply not posting to it anymore. You all have the power to end this topic yourselves. -Yes? I get it. You want to chime in about something that is important to you. We all do from time to time. :) However, if you desire silence, then be silent. If you desire respect, be respectful. If you need an official directive, then please all, close this topic immediately. Raul and I will deal with whatever aspects of this whole matter there are, which need to be dealt with. Please just bear with us a bit and be kind / respectful to each other *big smile* Talk with you soon and apologies for the list clutter. Cheers! Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com On Dec 26, 2014, at 1:39 AM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: I think the mods should really take some action against such behaviour. It is a spam for the list. Joke from a friend of a member, who manage to log in as the member, and manage to post such thing to an email list is rather, unacceptable. Is like, i took my mum's credit card, and wne to get myself a new iphone, then, i try to explain to the bank that, oops, sorry, it is just meant to be a joke for my mum... I think, such behaviour should be condam by the moderators, either looking at, temporary ban or even permernant ban. If, no action taken for such individual, how can we make sure than, members on this list will treat each other with respect? We are not talking about $0.99C worth of gift, we are talking about potentially $99.95 worth of gift that, what, coming out as a oops, sorry, just a joke, for the spirit of the season, forgive me? It is not a matter of either other people see the need of such individual, and willing to give it or not, it is the matter of, this particular individual is fooling us around, and being somewhat disrespectful to the guidelines, objectives, and to other members that is on the list, not to say it is somewhat disrespectful to the list owners and moderators. i think, in some sense, it might even consider as a criminal act. Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 26 Dec 2014, at 17:41, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Joke or no joke, where are the monitors of this group? For a member of this list serve to post a prank should be band from the list. There have been many posts on this thread that are beginning to clutter up my inbox. This thread needs to be closed. I know I'm not a monitor or the list owner, but enough is enough with this. If the monitors want to place me on monitor status for voicing my opinion, then go right ahead. The members of this list shouldn't have to put up with this kind of warped sense of humor. JMO. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Cristóbal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: More likely he didn't realise the dust up his post would cause and how poorly it would be received. Whether a friend did indeed do it, which I don’t' really believe at all, hopefully this whole thread will go away now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kerri G Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I cannot believe this. Someone was willing to send you money for this and it’s a joke? On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:40 PM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: sorry friends don't fight my friend screwd all I already scolded him please understand the mind of college teenager being adults you all please ignore and enjoy don't fight for any unintentionally done mistake he is also feeling sorry for this . do forgive him and merry xmas and happy new year to all . On 12/26/14, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: hello friends
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Who is Karen? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Joseph Hudson jhud7...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 2:23 PM Subject: Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hi Karen, if you and your co-owner ever need any assistance during holidays or Times that you are busy y'all can always feel free to asked somebody like myself off list to do this as I would not mind hoping out in any way that I possibly can. Thank you very much for stopping the thread and you have a wonderful rest of your holiday. On Dec 26, 2014, at 3:20 AM, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Hi All, Firstly, happy holidays to those who celebrate various end-of-year holidays and joy also to those who do not. You all rock! :) Now, you all sure love drama here! :) -And, for the record, I am posting on this now as there is a bit of an outcry from several here for moderation. I've been away from the list today so have not seen all this until now. I will write a more appropriate and more complete and descriptive note quite honestly, when I am actually awake. :) I find it interesting that pretty much everyone knows this thread should end but in fact, no one is simply not posting to it anymore. You all have the power to end this topic yourselves. -Yes? I get it. You want to chime in about something that is important to you. We all do from time to time. :) However, if you desire silence, then be silent. If you desire respect, be respectful. If you need an official directive, then please all, close this topic immediately. Raul and I will deal with whatever aspects of this whole matter there are, which need to be dealt with. Please just bear with us a bit and be kind / respectful to each other *big smile* Talk with you soon and apologies for the list clutter. Cheers! Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com On Dec 26, 2014, at 1:39 AM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: I think the mods should really take some action against such behaviour. It is a spam for the list. Joke from a friend of a member, who manage to log in as the member, and manage to post such thing to an email list is rather, unacceptable. Is like, i took my mum's credit card, and wne to get myself a new iphone, then, i try to explain to the bank that, oops, sorry, it is just meant to be a joke for my mum... I think, such behaviour should be condam by the moderators, either looking at, temporary ban or even permernant ban. If, no action taken for such individual, how can we make sure than, members on this list will treat each other with respect? We are not talking about $0.99C worth of gift, we are talking about potentially $99.95 worth of gift that, what, coming out as a oops, sorry, just a joke, for the spirit of the season, forgive me? It is not a matter of either other people see the need of such individual, and willing to give it or not, it is the matter of, this particular individual is fooling us around, and being somewhat disrespectful to the guidelines, objectives, and to other members that is on the list, not to say it is somewhat disrespectful to the list owners and moderators. i think, in some sense, it might even consider as a criminal act. Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 26 Dec 2014, at 17:41, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Joke or no joke, where are the monitors of this group? For a member of this list serve to post a prank should be band from the list. There have been many posts on this thread that are beginning to clutter up my inbox. This thread needs to be closed. I know I'm not a monitor or the list owner, but enough is enough with this. If the monitors want to place me on monitor status for voicing my opinion, then go right ahead. The members of this list shouldn't have to put up with this kind of warped sense of humor. JMO. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Cristóbal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: More likely he didn't realise the dust up his post would cause and how poorly it would be received. Whether a friend did indeed do it, which I don’t' really believe at all, hopefully this whole thread will go away now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kerri G Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I cannot believe this. Someone was willing to send you money for this and it’s a joke? On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:40 PM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: sorry friends don't fight my friend screwd all I already scolded him please understand the
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I'm sure you already know this, but Joseph is referring to and responding to Cara, the list owner. On 12/26/2014 03:40 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Who is Karen? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Joseph Hudson jhud7...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 2:23 PM Subject: Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hi Karen, if you and your co-owner ever need any assistance during holidays or Times that you are busy y'all can always feel free to asked somebody like myself off list to do this as I would not mind hoping out in any way that I possibly can. Thank you very much for stopping the thread and you have a wonderful rest of your holiday. On Dec 26, 2014, at 3:20 AM, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Hi All, Firstly, happy holidays to those who celebrate various end-of-year holidays and joy also to those who do not. You all rock! :) Now, you all sure love drama here! :) -And, for the record, I am posting on this now as there is a bit of an outcry from several here for moderation. I've been away from the list today so have not seen all this until now. I will write a more appropriate and more complete and descriptive note quite honestly, when I am actually awake. :) I find it interesting that pretty much everyone knows this thread should end but in fact, no one is simply not posting to it anymore. You all have the power to end this topic yourselves. -Yes? I get it. You want to chime in about something that is important to you. We all do from time to time. :) However, if you desire silence, then be silent. If you desire respect, be respectful. If you need an official directive, then please all, close this topic immediately. Raul and I will deal with whatever aspects of this whole matter there are, which need to be dealt with. Please just bear with us a bit and be kind / respectful to each other *big smile* Talk with you soon and apologies for the list clutter. Cheers! Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com On Dec 26, 2014, at 1:39 AM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: I think the mods should really take some action against such behaviour. It is a spam for the list. Joke from a friend of a member, who manage to log in as the member, and manage to post such thing to an email list is rather, unacceptable. Is like, i took my mum's credit card, and wne to get myself a new iphone, then, i try to explain to the bank that, oops, sorry, it is just meant to be a joke for my mum... I think, such behaviour should be condam by the moderators, either looking at, temporary ban or even permernant ban. If, no action taken for such individual, how can we make sure than, members on this list will treat each other with respect? We are not talking about $0.99C worth of gift, we are talking about potentially $99.95 worth of gift that, what, coming out as a oops, sorry, just a joke, for the spirit of the season, forgive me? It is not a matter of either other people see the need of such individual, and willing to give it or not, it is the matter of, this particular individual is fooling us around, and being somewhat disrespectful to the guidelines, objectives, and to other members that is on the list, not to say it is somewhat disrespectful to the list owners and moderators. i think, in some sense, it might even consider as a criminal act. Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 26 Dec 2014, at 17:41, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Joke or no joke, where are the monitors of this group? For a member of this list serve to post a prank should be band from the list. There have been many posts on this thread that are beginning to clutter up my inbox. This thread needs to be closed. I know I'm not a monitor or the list owner, but enough is enough with this. If the monitors want to place me on monitor status for voicing my opinion, then go right ahead. The members of this list shouldn't have to put up with this kind of warped sense of humor. JMO. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Cristóbal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: More likely he didn't realise the dust up his post would cause and how poorly it would be received. Whether a friend did indeed do it, which I don’t' really believe at all, hopefully this whole thread will go away now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kerri G Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I cannot believe this. Someone was willing to send you money for this and it’s a joke? On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:40 PM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: sorry
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Hi yes, I was referring to Cara. Sorry for the confusion. On Dec 26, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Who is Karen? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Joseph Hudson jhud7...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 2:23 PM Subject: Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hi Karen, if you and your co-owner ever need any assistance during holidays or Times that you are busy y'all can always feel free to asked somebody like myself off list to do this as I would not mind hoping out in any way that I possibly can. Thank you very much for stopping the thread and you have a wonderful rest of your holiday. On Dec 26, 2014, at 3:20 AM, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Hi All, Firstly, happy holidays to those who celebrate various end-of-year holidays and joy also to those who do not. You all rock! :) Now, you all sure love drama here! :) -And, for the record, I am posting on this now as there is a bit of an outcry from several here for moderation. I've been away from the list today so have not seen all this until now. I will write a more appropriate and more complete and descriptive note quite honestly, when I am actually awake. :) I find it interesting that pretty much everyone knows this thread should end but in fact, no one is simply not posting to it anymore. You all have the power to end this topic yourselves. -Yes? I get it. You want to chime in about something that is important to you. We all do from time to time. :) However, if you desire silence, then be silent. If you desire respect, be respectful. If you need an official directive, then please all, close this topic immediately. Raul and I will deal with whatever aspects of this whole matter there are, which need to be dealt with. Please just bear with us a bit and be kind / respectful to each other *big smile* Talk with you soon and apologies for the list clutter. Cheers! Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com On Dec 26, 2014, at 1:39 AM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: I think the mods should really take some action against such behaviour. It is a spam for the list. Joke from a friend of a member, who manage to log in as the member, and manage to post such thing to an email list is rather, unacceptable. Is like, i took my mum's credit card, and wne to get myself a new iphone, then, i try to explain to the bank that, oops, sorry, it is just meant to be a joke for my mum... I think, such behaviour should be condam by the moderators, either looking at, temporary ban or even permernant ban. If, no action taken for such individual, how can we make sure than, members on this list will treat each other with respect? We are not talking about $0.99C worth of gift, we are talking about potentially $99.95 worth of gift that, what, coming out as a oops, sorry, just a joke, for the spirit of the season, forgive me? It is not a matter of either other people see the need of such individual, and willing to give it or not, it is the matter of, this particular individual is fooling us around, and being somewhat disrespectful to the guidelines, objectives, and to other members that is on the list, not to say it is somewhat disrespectful to the list owners and moderators. i think, in some sense, it might even consider as a criminal act. Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 26 Dec 2014, at 17:41, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Joke or no joke, where are the monitors of this group? For a member of this list serve to post a prank should be band from the list. There have been many posts on this thread that are beginning to clutter up my inbox. This thread needs to be closed. I know I'm not a monitor or the list owner, but enough is enough with this. If the monitors want to place me on monitor status for voicing my opinion, then go right ahead. The members of this list shouldn't have to put up with this kind of warped sense of humor. JMO. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Cristóbal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: More likely he didn't realise the dust up his post would cause and how poorly it would be received. Whether a friend did indeed do it, which I don’t' really believe at all, hopefully this whole thread will go away now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kerri G Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I cannot believe this. Someone
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Darned screen readers, anyway. I've known some people from the United Kingdom who were referring to a game by the name mark one instead of mach one because of the screen reader's voice not pronouncing the r, like saying pot instead of part. I figured that was the case, and was giving you an ornery razz, all in fun. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Joseph Hudson jhud7...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hi yes, I was referring to Cara. Sorry for the confusion. On Dec 26, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Who is Karen? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Joseph Hudson jhud7...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 2:23 PM Subject: Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hi Karen, if you and your co-owner ever need any assistance during holidays or Times that you are busy y'all can always feel free to asked somebody like myself off list to do this as I would not mind hoping out in any way that I possibly can. Thank you very much for stopping the thread and you have a wonderful rest of your holiday. On Dec 26, 2014, at 3:20 AM, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Hi All, Firstly, happy holidays to those who celebrate various end-of-year holidays and joy also to those who do not. You all rock! :) Now, you all sure love drama here! :) -And, for the record, I am posting on this now as there is a bit of an outcry from several here for moderation. I've been away from the list today so have not seen all this until now. I will write a more appropriate and more complete and descriptive note quite honestly, when I am actually awake. :) I find it interesting that pretty much everyone knows this thread should end but in fact, no one is simply not posting to it anymore. You all have the power to end this topic yourselves. -Yes? I get it. You want to chime in about something that is important to you. We all do from time to time. :) However, if you desire silence, then be silent. If you desire respect, be respectful. If you need an official directive, then please all, close this topic immediately. Raul and I will deal with whatever aspects of this whole matter there are, which need to be dealt with. Please just bear with us a bit and be kind / respectful to each other *big smile* Talk with you soon and apologies for the list clutter. Cheers! Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com On Dec 26, 2014, at 1:39 AM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: I think the mods should really take some action against such behaviour. It is a spam for the list. Joke from a friend of a member, who manage to log in as the member, and manage to post such thing to an email list is rather, unacceptable. Is like, i took my mum's credit card, and wne to get myself a new iphone, then, i try to explain to the bank that, oops, sorry, it is just meant to be a joke for my mum... I think, such behaviour should be condam by the moderators, either looking at, temporary ban or even permernant ban. If, no action taken for such individual, how can we make sure than, members on this list will treat each other with respect? We are not talking about $0.99C worth of gift, we are talking about potentially $99.95 worth of gift that, what, coming out as a oops, sorry, just a joke, for the spirit of the season, forgive me? It is not a matter of either other people see the need of such individual, and willing to give it or not, it is the matter of, this particular individual is fooling us around, and being somewhat disrespectful to the guidelines, objectives, and to other members that is on the list, not to say it is somewhat disrespectful to the list owners and moderators. i think, in some sense, it might even consider as a criminal act. Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 26 Dec 2014, at 17:41, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Joke or no joke, where are the monitors of this group? For a member of this list serve to post a prank should be band from the list. There have been many posts on this thread that are beginning to clutter up my inbox. This thread needs to be closed. I know I'm not a monitor or the list owner, but enough is enough with this. If the monitors want to place me on monitor status for voicing my opinion, then go right ahead. The members of this list shouldn't have to put up with this kind of warped sense of humor. JMO. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On
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Hi, I would be able to gift you a £25 iTunes gift card, but there would be a £30 administration fee to cover the time taken to send you the information. If this is acceptable please email me off list I will organize the gift ASAP. Cheers, Ben. On 12/25/14, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I don’t come on this list to listen to someone ask for money and gifts. IMO it’s not appropriate. I would love to have a lot of things, but never would I have the bad taste to go on a list like this and ask for it. On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:50 AM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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If u need it work for it Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 11:45 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: I don’t come on this list to listen to someone ask for money and gifts. IMO it’s not appropriate. I would love to have a lot of things, but never would I have the bad taste to go on a list like this and ask for it. On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:50 AM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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You forgot the shipping and handling and the tax!! --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hi, I would be able to gift you a £25 iTunes gift card, but there would be a £30 administration fee to cover the time taken to send you the information. If this is acceptable please email me off list I will organize the gift ASAP. Cheers, Ben. On 12/25/14, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I would, but only in pure jest. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: alia robinson ali...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:45 AM Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I don’t come on this list to listen to someone ask for money and gifts. IMO it’s not appropriate. I would love to have a lot of things, but never would I have the bad taste to go on a list like this and ask for it. On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:50 AM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
Hi, I want a Hippopotamus for Christmas? Anyone gifting those? Merv -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
I got a hippy Potty mouse, will that do? R, H. - Original Message - From: Merv Keck blind5spar...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 5:21 PM Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hi, I want a Hippopotamus for Christmas? Anyone gifting those? Merv -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
Ditto, Terrie! I mean, what is this day all about but to show compassion and kindness to our fellow human beings, not to get smart alecky and snide to some one that in truth may come from a place where he doesn't have all the resources we all do. Drop the sarcasm, please! It's just not right. Especially not today. Patti On 12/25/2014 12:50 PM, Terrie Terlau wrote: Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
THANKS Terry for your post. I was taken back when I read the posts, especialally on a holiday such as Christmas. All of the religious holidays being celebrated during this time of year always express joy, harmony, and peace, whichever holiday one observes. I'm wondering where the old saying of Do on to others that you want others to do to you has gone. Thanks for listening and have a wonderful holiday season to all. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would, but only in pure jest. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: alia robinson ali...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:45 AM Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I don’t come on this list to listen to someone ask for money and gifts. IMO it’s not appropriate. I would love to have a lot of things, but never would I have the bad taste to go on a list like this and ask for it. On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:50 AM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
I don’t celebrate this day as some don’t, and if we let one person ask for money/gifts then everyone should be able, so hey throw some my way! personally I have no interest in a list like that. I come here for help/advice, period. On Dec 25, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Patti Johnson pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, Terrie! I mean, what is this day all about but to show compassion and kindness to our fellow human beings, not to get smart alecky and snide to some one that in truth may come from a place where he doesn't have all the resources we all do. Drop the sarcasm, please! It's just not right. Especially not today. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
Well said Terrie, thanks for speaking on behalf of many folks on this list. I couldn't and maybe the responses could be in the spirit of the -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
Hi Terrie, Beautifully said and if you hadn't done so I was going to do so myself, now I will just support you and add a few thoughts. I agree that asking for this is not OK, but being married to a Filipina and having travelled to several east Asian third-world countries I have seen what not having anything means. Some of the blind folk on here who don't have work and are on a very tight budget may think they are not so well off, but I can assure them that their situation is nothing compared to that of half the population of the planet. I know it doesn't mean anything to make these comparisons, but given the several very ungraceful replies I thought maybe a reminder of how good we have it living in free countries like the US, Canada, England and so on. Given it's Christmas today I really wonder about the sarcasm in many of these messages and it was probably expressed by people (at least some of them) who may consider themselves Christians. If you do call yourself that and if you have replied to that, maybe you need to examine your values. Best regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
Exactly well said! Please people leave the sarcasm behind it's not helping you in any way! Jose Lomeli Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Terrie, Beautifully said and if you hadn't done so I was going to do so myself, now I will just support you and add a few thoughts. I agree that asking for this is not OK, but being married to a Filipina and having travelled to several east Asian third-world countries I have seen what not having anything means. Some of the blind folk on here who don't have work and are on a very tight budget may think they are not so well off, but I can assure them that their situation is nothing compared to that of half the population of the planet. I know it doesn't mean anything to make these comparisons, but given the several very ungraceful replies I thought maybe a reminder of how good we have it living in free countries like the US, Canada, England and so on. Given it's Christmas today I really wonder about the sarcasm in many of these messages and it was probably expressed by people (at least some of them) who may consider themselves Christians. If you do call yourself that and if you have replied to that, maybe you need to examine your values. Best regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
Hello, all. I have been reading the responses and trying to formulate my own. I think that not only do we need to step out of our North American mind set but also please remember that upon first glance, that request might look suspicious. It is of utmost importance to think before we answer harshly. I think it is essential for people to step back and think how well we have it and I’ve known this for years. I used to belong to a pen pal magazine when I was a teenager and I got requests from developing countries asking for watches, paper, all manner of things which I used to detest because, in my ignorance, I did not have a clue about these nations nor their access to things we take for granted. I received a valuable lesson not to criticize others for asking for things as long as we know it’s done with upright intentions, not a scam. On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Terrie, Beautifully said and if you hadn't done so I was going to do so myself, now I will just support you and add a few thoughts. I agree that asking for this is not OK, but being married to a Filipina and having travelled to several east Asian third-world countries I have seen what not having anything means. Some of the blind folk on here who don't have work and are on a very tight budget may think they are not so well off, but I can assure them that their situation is nothing compared to that of half the population of the planet. I know it doesn't mean anything to make these comparisons, but given the several very ungraceful replies I thought maybe a reminder of how good we have it living in free countries like the US, Canada, England and so on. Given it's Christmas today I really wonder about the sarcasm in many of these messages and it was probably expressed by people (at least some of them) who may consider themselves Christians. If you do call yourself that and if you have replied to that, maybe you need to examine your values. Best regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
We can't control who joins the list, and we can't control what posts make it to the list. Obviously, there needs to be some guidelines on what is and isn't appropriate to post to the list, but we also need to respond responsibly to the posts we do see on the list. We need to have a bit of a thick skin sometimes, realize not everyone speaks our language or lives in our culture and just use the delete key from time to time. I don't follow this list to see people ask for something, but I'd rather see that one message, hit my delete key than see all of the unnecessary responses to that one post. I'd suggest using the delete key and let the moderator deal with the original post. On 12/25/2014 12:21 PM, alia robinson wrote: I don’t celebrate this day as some don’t, and if we let one person ask for money/gifts then everyone should be able, so hey throw some my way! personally I have no interest in a list like that. I come here for help/advice, period. On Dec 25, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Patti Johnson pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, Terrie! I mean, what is this day all about but to show compassion and kindness to our fellow human beings, not to get smart alecky and snide to some one that in truth may come from a place where he doesn't have all the resources we all do. Drop the sarcasm, please! It's just not right. Especially not today. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
and does anyone think this is spam? I one time sold an iPhone and got a $300 pay pal deposit for it which I didn’t act on since it was a scam and I did not send him the phone as he was from Africa I believe. On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: You forgot the shipping and handling and the tax!! --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hi, I would be able to gift you a £25 iTunes gift card, but there would be a £30 administration fee to cover the time taken to send you the information. If this is acceptable please email me off list I will organize the gift ASAP. Cheers, Ben. On 12/25/14, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
Well said Terrie. My understanding is that this is a support group, yes for all things related to i'devices but a support group. Sarcasm amounts to bullying and in my opinion doesn't belong here. We're all capable of making rash and unfair judgements so reading back what one has written before pressing the send button is quite useful. Maybe consider how you might feel if you had a post you are about to send directed at you. Dave Sent from my iPhone On 25 Dec 2014, at 17:50, Terrie Terlau terrie...@twc.com wrote: Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
asking for money and gifts on a technical public support list is bad netiquette, and will get you banned on most lists I am on. I am here to help people with their tech issues, not to be asked for money/gifts. On Dec 25, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Dave Sheridan dsherida...@icloud.com wrote: Well said Terrie. My understanding is that this is a support group, yes for all things related to i'devices but a support group. Sarcasm amounts to bullying and in my opinion doesn't belong here. We're all capable of making rash and unfair judgements so reading back what one has written before pressing the send button is quite useful. Maybe consider how you might feel if you had a post you are about to send directed at you. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
it’s just bad all around. Alia On Dec 25, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote: and does anyone think this is spam? I one time sold an iPhone and got a $300 pay pal deposit for it which I didn’t act on since it was a scam and I did not send him the phone as he was from Africa I believe. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
but imo there are places for that. I wouldn’t go on a list about cats, and gush about my dog, nor do I think a tech list is the place for asking for things. It could get to the point where the list is used for it, and who knows who might get ripped off then complain here, and where does it end? If you guys want a list for that drama you can start one. Of course the mods will make this decision, then I will think long and hard about whether it is somewhere I want to stay. I give gifts, and money to those I trust, and know, and charities I believe in, and no offense but I don’t know anyone here well enough yet to do that, and if I did I would want it done privately. I’m sorry if that sounds harsh, but I don’t want this list to turn into the “ask for iphone list. Alia On Dec 25, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote: Hello, all. I have been reading the responses and trying to formulate my own. I think that not only do we need to step out of our North American mind set but also please remember that upon first glance, that request might look suspicious. It is of utmost importance to think before we answer harshly. I think it is essential for people to step back and think how well we have it and I’ve known this for years. I used to belong to a pen pal magazine when I was a teenager and I got requests from developing countries asking for watches, paper, all manner of things which I used to detest because, in my ignorance, I did not have a clue about these nations nor their access to things we take for granted. I received a valuable lesson not to criticize others for asking for things as long as we know it’s done with upright intentions, not a scam. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
I totally agree. This was totally bad taste. Why not ask your family and friends? May and LD, Luna Moon! www.canadianlynx.ca m...@canadianlynx.ca On Dec 25, 2014, at 11:45 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: I don’t come on this list to listen to someone ask for money and gifts. IMO it’s not appropriate. I would love to have a lot of things, but never would I have the bad taste to go on a list like this and ask for it. On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:50 AM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
nothing surprises me anymore. Andy -Original Message- From: alia robinson Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:45 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I don’t come on this list to listen to someone ask for money and gifts. IMO it’s not appropriate. I would love to have a lot of things, but never would I have the bad taste to go on a list like this and ask for it. On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:50 AM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
But what is the difference between this solicitation and that of the nigerian princess? I might even decide to give this kind of gift in this situation, but not based on a vague solicitation from a total stranger. Andy -Original Message- From: Jose Lomeli Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Exactly well said! Please people leave the sarcasm behind it's not helping you in any way! Jose Lomeli Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Terrie, Beautifully said and if you hadn't done so I was going to do so myself, now I will just support you and add a few thoughts. I agree that asking for this is not OK, but being married to a Filipina and having travelled to several east Asian third-world countries I have seen what not having anything means. Some of the blind folk on here who don't have work and are on a very tight budget may think they are not so well off, but I can assure them that their situation is nothing compared to that of half the population of the planet. I know it doesn't mean anything to make these comparisons, but given the several very ungraceful replies I thought maybe a reminder of how good we have it living in free countries like the US, Canada, England and so on. Given it's Christmas today I really wonder about the sarcasm in many of these messages and it was probably expressed by people (at least some of them) who may consider themselves Christians. If you do call yourself that and if you have replied to that, maybe you need to examine your values. Best regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
I could understand a starving person asking total strangers for food, but I would never ask an entire group in an effort to find someone to buy or give me an app. Food would be for survival, but an app certainly is not. They are in no way similar. When I read the request, I noticed that it was very poorly written, and it was an absolute turn off to me. This has nothing at all to do with Christianity, either. There are just some things that you do not do on a list like this, and this request is probably at the very top of that list, or near it. Common sense should be used, and it certainly was not. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! nothing surprises me anymore. Andy -Original Message- From: alia robinson Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:45 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I don’t come on this list to listen to someone ask for money and gifts. IMO it’s not appropriate. I would love to have a lot of things, but never would I have the bad taste to go on a list like this and ask for it. On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:50 AM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
When i bought my first PC, I was told that I would also have to buy software. If this person wants the app, he obviously has an iPhone. Also, there are other much cheaper apps. Maybe not as good, but if you can't afford a Cadillac and you need transportation, you settle for a Chevy, or even a bicycle. Andy -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 2:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I could understand a starving person asking total strangers for food, but I would never ask an entire group in an effort to find someone to buy or give me an app. Food would be for survival, but an app certainly is not. They are in no way similar. When I read the request, I noticed that it was very poorly written, and it was an absolute turn off to me. This has nothing at all to do with Christianity, either. There are just some things that you do not do on a list like this, and this request is probably at the very top of that list, or near it. Common sense should be used, and it certainly was not. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! nothing surprises me anymore. Andy -Original Message- From: alia robinson Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:45 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I don’t come on this list to listen to someone ask for money and gifts. IMO it’s not appropriate. I would love to have a lot of things, but never would I have the bad taste to go on a list like this and ask for it. On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:50 AM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- The following information is important for all members of
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
It would be interesting to know if those who felt that the post was appropriate actually gave him any money. Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Baracco Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 2:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! When i bought my first PC, I was told that I would also have to buy software. If this person wants the app, he obviously has an iPhone. Also, there are other much cheaper apps. Maybe not as good, but if you can't afford a Cadillac and you need transportation, you settle for a Chevy, or even a bicycle. Andy -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 2:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I could understand a starving person asking total strangers for food, but I would never ask an entire group in an effort to find someone to buy or give me an app. Food would be for survival, but an app certainly is not. They are in no way similar. When I read the request, I noticed that it was very poorly written, and it was an absolute turn off to me. This has nothing at all to do with Christianity, either. There are just some things that you do not do on a list like this, and this request is probably at the very top of that list, or near it. Common sense should be used, and it certainly was not. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! nothing surprises me anymore. Andy -Original Message- From: alia robinson Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:45 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I don’t come on this list to listen to someone ask for money and gifts. IMO it’s not appropriate. I would love to have a lot of things, but never would I have the bad taste to go on a list like this and ask for it. On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:50 AM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
Hi Andy I suggest you read the posts of those who felt the initial responses to Ram Kalia's post was harsh as not one stated that his post was appropriate for this list as you have suggested. I think Terrie's post in respect of this was very clear and succinct and well worth revisiting. Dave Sent from my iPhone On 25 Dec 2014, at 22:48, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote: It would be interesting to know if those who felt that the post was appropriate actually gave him any money. Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Baracco Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 2:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! When i bought my first PC, I was told that I would also have to buy software. If this person wants the app, he obviously has an iPhone. Also, there are other much cheaper apps. Maybe not as good, but if you can't afford a Cadillac and you need transportation, you settle for a Chevy, or even a bicycle. Andy -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 2:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I could understand a starving person asking total strangers for food, but I would never ask an entire group in an effort to find someone to buy or give me an app. Food would be for survival, but an app certainly is not. They are in no way similar. When I read the request, I noticed that it was very poorly written, and it was an absolute turn off to me. This has nothing at all to do with Christianity, either. There are just some things that you do not do on a list like this, and this request is probably at the very top of that list, or near it. Common sense should be used, and it certainly was not. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! nothing surprises me anymore. Andy -Original Message- From: alia robinson Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:45 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I don’t come on this list to listen to someone ask for money and gifts. IMO it’s not appropriate. I would love to have a lot of things, but never would I have the bad taste to go on a list like this and ask for it. On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:50 AM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or
RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
Hi again, To those who have written about the inappropriateness of Ram's request, I think that we all agree that the request is inappropriate and that we should not give money to someone that we don't know who asks by email. My point earlier was that we might be kinder in how we respond. Terrie -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sheridan Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 2:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Well said Terrie. My understanding is that this is a support group, yes for all things related to i'devices but a support group. Sarcasm amounts to bullying and in my opinion doesn't belong here. We're all capable of making rash and unfair judgements so reading back what one has written before pressing the send button is quite useful. Maybe consider how you might feel if you had a post you are about to send directed at you. Dave Sent from my iPhone On 25 Dec 2014, at 17:50, Terrie Terlau terrie...@twc.com wrote: Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator. So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed. This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are giving this person all kinds of grief for posting something that may or may not have been appropriate. None of us lowly list members have the power to say, unequivocally whether this person's post was appropriate or not, so I think this thread should end until the moderators get back and handle it. Either way, I believe it's a shame to have to come to my e-mail, and see nothing but hatred being spewed on a list that is there for the sole purpose of helping others out. Merry Christmas, or what ever other holiday you happen to celebrate at this time of year, I'm sure you're making your religion very proud. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-888-640-6661 Fax: 1-888-640-6669 Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Work: viptrain...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. ---
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
I should have also mentioned that it states in the rules that if you don't like a post from another member, there should be no flaming or bashing on list, simply contact the moderators and they will handle it, so, technically speaking, all the bashers, and, I'm sorry to say, all the messages of support to this person, however well meaning, have been breaking the rules, so, even if you don't like my last post, I think you better think twice about sending a nasty reply to this one. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-888-640-6661 Fax: 1-888-640-6669 Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Work: viptrain...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -Original Message- From: Dave Sheridan Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 2:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Well said Terrie. My understanding is that this is a support group, yes for all things related to i'devices but a support group. Sarcasm amounts to bullying and in my opinion doesn't belong here. We're all capable of making rash and unfair judgements so reading back what one has written before pressing the send button is quite useful. Maybe consider how you might feel if you had a post you are about to send directed at you. Dave Sent from my iPhone On 25 Dec 2014, at 17:50, Terrie Terlau terrie...@twc.com wrote: Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
For me, it's not hatred for a person. How could it be if I don't know the person? It is the content of the original post that bothers me, and don't we all have a right to voice our opinion on the matter? Thanks. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:52 PM Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator. So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed. This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are giving this person all kinds of grief for posting something that may or may not have been appropriate. None of us lowly list members have the power to say, unequivocally whether this person's post was appropriate or not, so I think this thread should end until the moderators get back and handle it. Either way, I believe it's a shame to have to come to my e-mail, and see nothing but hatred being spewed on a list that is there for the sole purpose of helping others out. Merry Christmas, or what ever other holiday you happen to celebrate at this time of year, I'm sure you're making your religion very proud. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-888-640-6661 Fax: 1-888-640-6669 Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Work: viptrain...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
When I first heard about this app, I had to save for two months to be able to afford it. Everyone is in different circumstances, some better than others, and it was tough seeing others who were just able to plop down $100 like that, but I had to be patient. I think it’s beneath our dignity as blind people to beg for anything, no matter the culture. An app is not a need; it’s a want. It’s a luxury. It’s a great thing to have that makes life easier, but we went for a long time without it. It’s better to be financially responsible and save what you need until you have enough. Just my $0.02. On Dec 25, 2014, at 4:19 PM, May McDonald Homuth m...@canadianlynx.ca wrote: I totally agree. This was totally bad taste. Why not ask your family and friends? May and LD, Luna Moon! www.canadianlynx.ca m...@canadianlynx.ca On Dec 25, 2014, at 11:45 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: I don’t come on this list to listen to someone ask for money and gifts. IMO it’s not appropriate. I would love to have a lot of things, but never would I have the bad taste to go on a list like this and ask for it. On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:50 AM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
On the point on whether you have the right to voice your opinion on the matter or not, I'll just point you to the statement at the bottom of every message on this list, where it says: If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. On 12/25/2014 09:05 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: For me, it's not hatred for a person. How could it be if I don't know the person? It is the content of the original post that bothers me, and don't we all have a right to voice our opinion on the matter? Thanks. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:52 PM Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator. So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed. This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are giving this person all kinds of grief for posting something that may or may not have been appropriate. None of us lowly list members have the power to say, unequivocally whether this person's post was appropriate or not, so I think this thread should end until the moderators get back and handle it. Either way, I believe it's a shame to have to come to my e-mail, and see nothing but hatred being spewed on a list that is there for the sole purpose of helping others out. Merry Christmas, or what ever other holiday you happen to celebrate at this time of year, I'm sure you're making your religion very proud. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-888-640-6661 Fax: 1-888-640-6669 Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Work: viptrain...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
I'm surprise that the mods haven't interveen in this message. Eitherhow, if you can't afford $74.95 or $99.95, what about consider Prizmo for $4.95? its on sales at the moment, as part of the boxing day itune store deals. On 26/12/2014, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: On the point on whether you have the right to voice your opinion on the matter or not, I'll just point you to the statement at the bottom of every message on this list, where it says: If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. On 12/25/2014 09:05 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: For me, it's not hatred for a person. How could it be if I don't know the person? It is the content of the original post that bothers me, and don't we all have a right to voice our opinion on the matter? Thanks. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:52 PM Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator. So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed. This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are giving this person all kinds of grief for posting something that may or may not have been appropriate. None of us lowly list members have the power to say, unequivocally whether this person's post was appropriate or not, so I think this thread should end until the moderators get back and handle it. Either way, I believe it's a shame to have to come to my e-mail, and see nothing but hatred being spewed on a list that is there for the sole purpose of helping others out. Merry Christmas, or what ever other holiday you happen to celebrate at this time of year, I'm sure you're making your religion very proud. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-888-640-6661 Fax: 1-888-640-6669 Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Work: viptrain...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this
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I know nothing of the Nigerian princess, Andy and to add to another post you made, yes he has an iPhone but that may have been a gift as well. For example, my nephew Luke got an iPad for Christmas so just because he has a phone/pad, doesn’t mean anything. On Dec 25, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote: But what is the difference between this solicitation and that of the nigerian princess? I might even decide to give this kind of gift in this situation, but not based on a vague solicitation from a total stranger. Andy -Original Message- From: Jose Lomeli Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Exactly well said! Please people leave the sarcasm behind it's not helping you in any way! Jose Lomeli Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Terrie, Beautifully said and if you hadn't done so I was going to do so myself, now I will just support you and add a few thoughts. I agree that asking for this is not OK, but being married to a Filipina and having travelled to several east Asian third-world countries I have seen what not having anything means. Some of the blind folk on here who don't have work and are on a very tight budget may think they are not so well off, but I can assure them that their situation is nothing compared to that of half the population of the planet. I know it doesn't mean anything to make these comparisons, but given the several very ungraceful replies I thought maybe a reminder of how good we have it living in free countries like the US, Canada, England and so on. Given it's Christmas today I really wonder about the sarcasm in many of these messages and it was probably expressed by people (at least some of them) who may consider themselves Christians. If you do call yourself that and if you have replied to that, maybe you need to examine your values. Best regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather
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For me, it is a matter of internet security and warning of a possible scam. Andy -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 7:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! For me, it's not hatred for a person. How could it be if I don't know the person? It is the content of the original post that bothers me, and don't we all have a right to voice our opinion on the matter? Thanks. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:52 PM Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator. So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed. This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are giving this person all kinds of grief for posting something that may or may not have been appropriate. None of us lowly list members have the power to say, unequivocally whether this person's post was appropriate or not, so I think this thread should end until the moderators get back and handle it. Either way, I believe it's a shame to have to come to my e-mail, and see nothing but hatred being spewed on a list that is there for the sole purpose of helping others out. Merry Christmas, or what ever other holiday you happen to celebrate at this time of year, I'm sure you're making your religion very proud. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-888-640-6661 Fax: 1-888-640-6669 Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Work: viptrain...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are
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I held back because of financial issues, but the discount made it possible for me to obtain it. Andy -Original Message- From: Brandon A. Olivares Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 7:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! When I first heard about this app, I had to save for two months to be able to afford it. Everyone is in different circumstances, some better than others, and it was tough seeing others who were just able to plop down $100 like that, but I had to be patient. I think it’s beneath our dignity as blind people to beg for anything, no matter the culture. An app is not a need; it’s a want. It’s a luxury. It’s a great thing to have that makes life easier, but we went for a long time without it. It’s better to be financially responsible and save what you need until you have enough. Just my $0.02. On Dec 25, 2014, at 4:19 PM, May McDonald Homuth m...@canadianlynx.ca wrote: I totally agree. This was totally bad taste. Why not ask your family and friends? May and LD, Luna Moon! www.canadianlynx.ca m...@canadianlynx.ca On Dec 25, 2014, at 11:45 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote: I don’t come on this list to listen to someone ask for money and gifts. IMO it’s not appropriate. I would love to have a lot of things, but never would I have the bad taste to go on a list like this and ask for it. On Dec 25, 2014, at 10:50 AM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
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I would like to ask you, what do you entitle “bashers and flamers' On Dec 25, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com wrote: I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator. So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed. This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are giving this person all kinds of grief for posting something that may or may not have been appropriate. None of us lowly list members have the power to say, unequivocally whether this person's post was appropriate or not, so I think this thread should end until the moderators get back and handle it. Either way, I believe it's a shame to have to come to my e-mail, and see nothing but hatred being spewed on a list that is there for the sole purpose of helping others out. Merry Christmas, or what ever other holiday you happen to celebrate at this time of year, I'm sure you're making your religion very proud. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-888-640-6661 Fax: 1-888-640-6669 Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Work: viptrain...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a
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hello friends sorry for the inconvience caused actually my friend wrote this message using my id he was joking and nothing at all I kicked him he was just playing and nothing serious at all just holidays funny activity sorry ignore this and happy xmas and new year to all take it in a good sense and ignore love you all. I have knfb already sorry for my friends behavior . On 12/26/14, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote: I would like to ask you, what do you entitle “bashers and flamers' On Dec 25, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com wrote: I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator. So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed. This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are giving this person all kinds of grief for posting something that may or may not have been appropriate. None of us lowly list members have the power to say, unequivocally whether this person's post was appropriate or not, so I think this thread should end until the moderators get back and handle it. Either way, I believe it's a shame to have to come to my e-mail, and see nothing but hatred being spewed on a list that is there for the sole purpose of helping others out. Merry Christmas, or what ever other holiday you happen to celebrate at this time of year, I'm sure you're making your religion very proud. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-888-640-6661 Fax: 1-888-640-6669 Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Work: viptrain...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to
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sorry friends don't fight my friend screwd all I already scolded him please understand the mind of college teenager being adults you all please ignore and enjoy don't fight for any unintentionally done mistake he is also feeling sorry for this . do forgive him and merry xmas and happy new year to all . On 12/26/14, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: hello friends sorry for the inconvience caused actually my friend wrote this message using my id he was joking and nothing at all I kicked him he was just playing and nothing serious at all just holidays funny activity sorry ignore this and happy xmas and new year to all take it in a good sense and ignore love you all. I have knfb already sorry for my friends behavior . On 12/26/14, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote: I would like to ask you, what do you entitle “bashers and flamers' On Dec 25, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com wrote: I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator. So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed. This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are giving this person all kinds of grief for posting something that may or may not have been appropriate. None of us lowly list members have the power to say, unequivocally whether this person's post was appropriate or not, so I think this thread should end until the moderators get back and handle it. Either way, I believe it's a shame to have to come to my e-mail, and see nothing but hatred being spewed on a list that is there for the sole purpose of helping others out. Merry Christmas, or what ever other holiday you happen to celebrate at this time of year, I'm sure you're making your religion very proud. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-888-640-6661 Fax: 1-888-640-6669 Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Work: viptrain...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
I cannot believe this. Someone was willing to send you money for this and it’s a joke? On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:40 PM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: sorry friends don't fight my friend screwd all I already scolded him please understand the mind of college teenager being adults you all please ignore and enjoy don't fight for any unintentionally done mistake he is also feeling sorry for this . do forgive him and merry xmas and happy new year to all . On 12/26/14, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: hello friends sorry for the inconvience caused actually my friend wrote this message using my id he was joking and nothing at all I kicked him he was just playing and nothing serious at all just holidays funny activity sorry ignore this and happy xmas and new year to all take it in a good sense and ignore love you all. I have knfb already sorry for my friends behavior . On 12/26/14, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote: I would like to ask you, what do you entitle “bashers and flamers' On Dec 25, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com wrote: I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator. So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed. This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are giving this person all kinds of grief for posting something that may or may not have been appropriate. None of us lowly list members have the power to say, unequivocally whether this person's post was appropriate or not, so I think this thread should end until the moderators get back and handle it. Either way, I believe it's a shame to have to come to my e-mail, and see nothing but hatred being spewed on a list that is there for the sole purpose of helping others out. Merry Christmas, or what ever other holiday you happen to celebrate at this time of year, I'm sure you're making your religion very proud. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-888-640-6661 Fax: 1-888-640-6669 Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Work: viptrain...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
But you can understand why we might have thought that you were perhaps the victim of a hacker, malware, etc. This could be a teachable moment for you, your cousin, etc. Andy -Original Message- From: ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! sorry friends don't fight my friend screwd all I already scolded him please understand the mind of college teenager being adults you all please ignore and enjoy don't fight for any unintentionally done mistake he is also feeling sorry for this . do forgive him and merry xmas and happy new year to all . On 12/26/14, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: hello friends sorry for the inconvience caused actually my friend wrote this message using my id he was joking and nothing at all I kicked him he was just playing and nothing serious at all just holidays funny activity sorry ignore this and happy xmas and new year to all take it in a good sense and ignore love you all. I have knfb already sorry for my friends behavior . On 12/26/14, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote: I would like to ask you, what do you entitle “bashers and flamers' On Dec 25, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com wrote: I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator. So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed. This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are giving this person all kinds of grief for posting something that may or may not have been appropriate. None of us lowly list members have the power to say, unequivocally whether this person's post was appropriate or not, so I think this thread should end until the moderators get back and handle it. Either way, I believe it's a shame to have to come to my e-mail, and see nothing but hatred being spewed on a list that is there for the sole purpose of helping others out. Merry Christmas, or what ever other holiday you happen to celebrate at this time of year, I'm sure you're making your religion very proud. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-888-640-6661 Fax: 1-888-640-6669 Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Work: viptrain...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: viphone Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello friends i really dam love this product knfb but unable to purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way to get it as a gift or free i really need thispleasepleaseplease somebody gift it on this xmas or as a new year gift -- The following information is
RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
More likely he didn't realise the dust up his post would cause and how poorly it would be received. Whether a friend did indeed do it, which I don’t' really believe at all, hopefully this whole thread will go away now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kerri G Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I cannot believe this. Someone was willing to send you money for this and it’s a joke? On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:40 PM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: sorry friends don't fight my friend screwd all I already scolded him please understand the mind of college teenager being adults you all please ignore and enjoy don't fight for any unintentionally done mistake he is also feeling sorry for this . do forgive him and merry xmas and happy new year to all . On 12/26/14, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: hello friends sorry for the inconvience caused actually my friend wrote this message using my id he was joking and nothing at all I kicked him he was just playing and nothing serious at all just holidays funny activity sorry ignore this and happy xmas and new year to all take it in a good sense and ignore love you all. I have knfb already sorry for my friends behavior . On 12/26/14, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote: I would like to ask you, what do you entitle “bashers and flamers' On Dec 25, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com wrote: I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator. So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed. This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are giving this person all kinds of grief for posting something that may or may not have been appropriate. None of us lowly list members have the power to say, unequivocally whether this person's post was appropriate or not, so I think this thread should end until the moderators get back and handle it. Either way, I believe it's a shame to have to come to my e-mail, and see nothing but hatred being spewed on a list that is there for the sole purpose of helping others out. Merry Christmas, or what ever other holiday you happen to celebrate at this time of year, I'm sure you're making your religion very proud. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-888-640-6661 Fax: 1-888-640-6669 Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Work: viptrain...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in this world. I send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses. I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think about saying no in a more compassionate way. Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ram kalia Sent:
Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please!
Joke or no joke, where are the monitors of this group? For a member of this list serve to post a prank should be band from the list. There have been many posts on this thread that are beginning to clutter up my inbox. This thread needs to be closed. I know I'm not a monitor or the list owner, but enough is enough with this. If the monitors want to place me on monitor status for voicing my opinion, then go right ahead. The members of this list shouldn't have to put up with this kind of warped sense of humor. JMO. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Cristóbal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: More likely he didn't realise the dust up his post would cause and how poorly it would be received. Whether a friend did indeed do it, which I don’t' really believe at all, hopefully this whole thread will go away now. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kerri G Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! I cannot believe this. Someone was willing to send you money for this and it’s a joke? On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:40 PM, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: sorry friends don't fight my friend screwd all I already scolded him please understand the mind of college teenager being adults you all please ignore and enjoy don't fight for any unintentionally done mistake he is also feeling sorry for this . do forgive him and merry xmas and happy new year to all . On 12/26/14, ram kalia rameshkalia...@gmail.com wrote: hello friends sorry for the inconvience caused actually my friend wrote this message using my id he was joking and nothing at all I kicked him he was just playing and nothing serious at all just holidays funny activity sorry ignore this and happy xmas and new year to all take it in a good sense and ignore love you all. I have knfb already sorry for my friends behavior . On 12/26/14, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote: I would like to ask you, what do you entitle “bashers and flamers' On Dec 25, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com wrote: I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator. So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed. This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are giving this person all kinds of grief for posting something that may or may not have been appropriate. None of us lowly list members have the power to say, unequivocally whether this person's post was appropriate or not, so I think this thread should end until the moderators get back and handle it. Either way, I believe it's a shame to have to come to my e-mail, and see nothing but hatred being spewed on a list that is there for the sole purpose of helping others out. Merry Christmas, or what ever other holiday you happen to celebrate at this time of year, I'm sure you're making your religion very proud. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Tel: 1-888-640-6661 Fax: 1-888-640-6669 Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Work: viptrain...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -Original Message- From: Terrie Terlau Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody gift me please! Hello everyone, I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line, but I don't think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker and may be from another country and another culture where asking for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75% unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that, I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is not a good idea to ask. I would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many of us, blind and sighted, don't have what we need in
