RE: Anyone Tried Tame

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And in adition of being aweful it is even worse than Amazon when it comes to 
offering super cheap products with no way to tell whether side thing was made 
by some 6-year old kid in a sweat shop in Bangladesh or using slave labour in 
Cjhina.
And by super cheap I don't only mean financially cheap, but also qualitatively 
cheap. It is one platform I will never support.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Ford
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2024 2:09 PM
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Subject: Re: Anyone Tried Tame

I did and apologies for the spelling error.



On Feb 18, 2024, at 3:42 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Did you mean "temu" spelled t e m u? A shopping app?
If so, I gave it a shot and it is pretty awful.

Richard, USA
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On Feb 18, 2024, at 1:12 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
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Re: Anyone Tried Tame

[Kelly Ford]

I did and apologies for the spelling error.


On Feb 18, 2024, at 3:42 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Did you mean "temu" spelled t e m u? A shopping app?
If so, I gave it a shot and it is pretty awful.

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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On Feb 18, 2024, at 1:12 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:

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Re: Anyone Tried Tame

[Richard Turner]

Did you mean "temu" spelled t e m u? A shopping app? 
If so, I gave it a shot and it is pretty awful. 

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 


> On Feb 18, 2024, at 1:12 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> So,
> 

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Anyone Tried Tame

[Kelly Ford]

So,

They spent at least $7 million on the one Super Bowl ad I caught and maybe more 
if they rant it more than once. I’m curious if anyone has tried the Tamu iOS 
app?

I gave it a spin last evening and it didn’t seem to work very well with 
VoiceOver. Focus jumped all over the place, text that seemed like you should be 
able to act on it, didn’t do anything when double tapped and more.

Even the Add to Cart button was named Add to Card for me.

Kelly

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Re: Has anyone tried the roku app with voiceOver

[Kim Crawford]

The Roku app is accessible. It’s a lot easier to use the app, and it is to use 
the Roku with the remote itself. The hardest part I find using the Roku for me, 
personally is understanding what the lady is telling us to do as far as if 
you’re activating the channel cause I can’t understand those which is telling 
me as far as activation code on the TV when you’re going to activate something 
because those are hard to understand which she’s explaining to us things, but 
the That’s OK not too bad it is fairly straightforward once you signed in 
there’s some tabs on the bottom right side of the screen, and they read out of 
voiceover 
Sent from the Kim’s iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2023, at 11:35 AM, David Grossoehme  wrote:
> 
> I'd add an Apple TV or use the Apple TV from your phone.  Ruku has a hard 
> voice to understand.  You can give it a try.  It works, but I'd not be able 
> to use it for vary long myself.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
>> On 12/21/2023 4:46 PM, Donald Raikes wrote:
>> My wife and i are finally venturing into the world of streaming video
>> (actually I bought a roku for her for Christmas).
>> I did see that the roku device can be controlled using the roku app on
>> an iPhone.
>> 
>> Has anyone tried this app and if so, how accessible is it?
>> 
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Re: Has anyone tried the roku app with voiceOver

[David Grossoehme]

I'd add an Apple TV or use the Apple TV from your phone.  Ruku has a 
hard voice to understand.  You can give it a try.  It works, but I'd not 
be able to use it for vary long myself.


Dave


On 12/21/2023 4:46 PM, Donald Raikes wrote:

My wife and i are finally venturing into the world of streaming video
(actually I bought a roku for her for Christmas).
I did see that the roku device can be controlled using the roku app on
an iPhone.

Has anyone tried this app and if so, how accessible is it?



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RE: Has anyone tried the roku app with voiceOver

[llumpkin]

I tried the roku app several years ago and found it extremely inaccessible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donald 
Raikes
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Has anyone tried the roku app with voiceOver

My wife and i are finally venturing into the world of streaming video (actually 
I bought a roku for her for Christmas).
I did see that the roku device can be controlled using the roku app on an 
iPhone.

Has anyone tried this app and if so, how accessible is it?

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Has anyone tried the roku app with voiceOver

[Donald Raikes]

My wife and i are finally venturing into the world of streaming video
(actually I bought a roku for her for Christmas).
I did see that the roku device can be controlled using the roku app on
an iPhone.

Has anyone tried this app and if so, how accessible is it?

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Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible

[Kelly Pierce]

I wish I were there.

My great Michigan trip was possible because I had access to quality
guidebooks from Bookshare.  They said to avoid mosquito season, which
ends in July. I visited in August and experienced small town rural
America for the first time.  The only jazz folks had heard was Vince
guaraldi and the Peanuts Christmas music.

Kelly


Kelly






On 11/1/23, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Kelly,
> Thanks for the tip about the Oscar Peterson recordings.
> I was fortunate and saw him with Ella Fitzgerald in the 80's in concert.  An
> amazing evening!
> Sounds like you had a great summer!
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”
>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly
> Pierce
> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2023 3:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical
> music – and tried to make it accessible
>
> Besides classical, Apple is working hard to bring access to many forgotten
> jazz recordings to Apple Music listeners.  A friend of mine is a big jazz
> fan.  He discovered Apple Music is the only online music service that has
> albums of jazz pianist Oscar Peterson that were released decades ago and
> never were repressed or went on sale again.
> Apple is performing the thankless behind the scenes work to enter into
> agreements with numerous small record labels to bring their stuff into Apple
> Music. Similarly, when the label has disappeared and the current copyright
> owner is unknown, Apple seems to be buying jazz albums not on CD or
> available in a digital format and transferring them into a digital audio
> format for streaming.
>
> I am still old school with music on my phone, which worked for my summer
> vacation this year. I was in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, next to Lake
> Superior and the Porcupine Mountains, where cell phone service is lousy and
> home internet is limited.  I loaded up my 512 GB iPhone with great jazz
> recordings that I either ripped from CD or digitized from vinyl. I used MP3
> Tag to label them properly for the iPhone Music app and transferred them to
> my iPhone 13 Mini using Waltr Pro.  Thanks to a Marshall Emberton speaker, I
> was able to hear classic jazz in the northwoods, one of the least densely
> and highly isolated places in the Midwest.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>
> On 11/1/23, Tom Lange  wrote:
>> that is a great article; thank you for posting. I just downloaded the
>> Apple Music Classical app and took it for a spin and it looks great.
>> By the way, I found out that I could use airplay with my Sonos
>> speakers, so that will be really nice to use Apple Music classical
>> with airplay, and my Sonos speakers.
>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 10:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a wonderful article, Richard.
>>>
>>> Thank you ever so much for posting it to the list.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 9:10 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical
>>> music – and tried to make it accessible
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>> The word “Accessible” in the title of this article refers to general
>>> accessibility to the world, not about disability.
>>>
>>> I found this article very informative for any classical music fan.  I
>>> stripped out the ads and have the link to the original story at the end.
>>>
>>> How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music –
>>> and tried to make it accessible There are 1,243 versions of Vivaldi’s
>>> Spring from the Four Seasons alone.
>>> Helping people through that was key to building the new Apple Music
>>> Classical app, senior staff at the venture tell David Phelan Sunday
>>> 29 October 2023 10:30
>>>
>>> Earlier this year, Apple launched Apple Music Classical as a
>>> standalone music app that comes included in the price of Apple Music.
>>> It was an unusual move for a streaming platform perhaps more
>>> associated with Drake and Taylor Swift. And building it was a major
>>> undertaking, given the vast complexity of classical music libraries
>>> and the difficulties in navigating them.
>>>
>>> Apple Music Classical continues to grow. In its latest move, Apple
>&

RE: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible

[Richard Turner]

Kelly,
Thanks for the tip about the Oscar Peterson recordings.
I was fortunate and saw him with Ella Fitzgerald in the 80's in concert.  An 
amazing evening!
Sounds like you had a great summer!
 



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2023 3:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music 
– and tried to make it accessible

Besides classical, Apple is working hard to bring access to many forgotten jazz 
recordings to Apple Music listeners.  A friend of mine is a big jazz fan.  He 
discovered Apple Music is the only online music service that has albums of jazz 
pianist Oscar Peterson that were released decades ago and never were repressed 
or went on sale again.
Apple is performing the thankless behind the scenes work to enter into 
agreements with numerous small record labels to bring their stuff into Apple 
Music. Similarly, when the label has disappeared and the current copyright 
owner is unknown, Apple seems to be buying jazz albums not on CD or available 
in a digital format and transferring them into a digital audio format for 
streaming.

I am still old school with music on my phone, which worked for my summer 
vacation this year. I was in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, next to Lake 
Superior and the Porcupine Mountains, where cell phone service is lousy and 
home internet is limited.  I loaded up my 512 GB iPhone with great jazz 
recordings that I either ripped from CD or digitized from vinyl. I used MP3 Tag 
to label them properly for the iPhone Music app and transferred them to my 
iPhone 13 Mini using Waltr Pro.  Thanks to a Marshall Emberton speaker, I was 
able to hear classic jazz in the northwoods, one of the least densely and 
highly isolated places in the Midwest.

Kelly




On 11/1/23, Tom Lange  wrote:
> that is a great article; thank you for posting. I just downloaded the 
> Apple Music Classical app and took it for a spin and it looks great. 
> By the way, I found out that I could use airplay with my Sonos 
> speakers, so that will be really nice to use Apple Music classical 
> with airplay, and my Sonos speakers.
>
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 10:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>
>> This is a wonderful article, Richard.
>>
>> Thank you ever so much for posting it to the list.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 9:10 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical 
>> music – and tried to make it accessible
>>
>> Greetings,
>> The word “Accessible” in the title of this article refers to general 
>> accessibility to the world, not about disability.
>>
>> I found this article very informative for any classical music fan.  I 
>> stripped out the ads and have the link to the original story at the end.
>>
>> How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – 
>> and tried to make it accessible There are 1,243 versions of Vivaldi’s 
>> Spring from the Four Seasons alone.
>> Helping people through that was key to building the new Apple Music 
>> Classical app, senior staff at the venture tell David Phelan Sunday 
>> 29 October 2023 10:30
>>
>> Earlier this year, Apple launched Apple Music Classical as a 
>> standalone music app that comes included in the price of Apple Music. 
>> It was an unusual move for a streaming platform perhaps more 
>> associated with Drake and Taylor Swift. And building it was a major 
>> undertaking, given the vast complexity of classical music libraries 
>> and the difficulties in navigating them.
>>
>> Apple Music Classical continues to grow. In its latest move, Apple 
>> announced a new partnership between Apple and the London Philharmonic 
>> Orchestra with the release of a live recording of Berlioz’s The 
>> Damnation of Faust coming on 3 November. This is just one of the 
>> partners Apple Music Classical has.
>>
>> From day one, the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra was a partner. The 
>> content from that orchestra is extensive, with recordings dating back to 
>> 1929.
>> Some of it is unique to Apple and this exclusive content alone has 
>> already been streamed millions of times.
>>
>> Recently, senior staffers at the app talked exclusively to The 
>> Independent.
>>
>> Apple Music Classical came about because Apple realised that 
>> classical a

Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible

[Kelly Pierce]

Besides classical, Apple is working hard to bring access to many
forgotten jazz recordings to Apple Music listeners.  A friend of mine
is a big jazz fan.  He discovered Apple Music is the only online music
service that has albums of jazz pianist Oscar Peterson that were
released decades ago and never were repressed or went on sale again.
Apple is performing the thankless behind the scenes work to enter into
agreements with numerous small record labels to bring their stuff into
Apple Music. Similarly, when the label has disappeared and the current
copyright owner is unknown, Apple seems to be buying jazz albums not
on CD or available in a digital format and transferring them into a
digital audio format for streaming.

I am still old school with music on my phone, which worked for my
summer vacation this year. I was in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan,
next to Lake Superior and the Porcupine Mountains, where cell phone
service is lousy and home internet is limited.  I loaded up my 512 GB
iPhone with great jazz recordings that I either ripped from CD or
digitized from vinyl. I used MP3 Tag to label them properly for the
iPhone Music app and transferred them to my iPhone 13 Mini using Waltr
Pro.  Thanks to a Marshall Emberton speaker, I was able to hear
classic jazz in the northwoods, one of the least densely and highly
isolated places in the Midwest.

Kelly




On 11/1/23, Tom Lange  wrote:
> that is a great article; thank you for posting. I just downloaded the Apple
> Music Classical app and took it for a spin and it looks great. By the way, I
> found out that I could use airplay with my Sonos speakers, so that will be
> really nice to use Apple Music classical with airplay, and my Sonos
> speakers.
>
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 10:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>
>> This is a wonderful article, Richard.
>>
>> Thank you ever so much for posting it to the list.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 9:10 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music
>> – and tried to make it accessible
>>
>> Greetings,
>> The word “Accessible” in the title of this article refers to general
>> accessibility to the world, not about disability.
>>
>> I found this article very informative for any classical music fan.  I
>> stripped out the ads and have the link to the original story at the end.
>>
>> How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and
>> tried to make it accessible
>> There are 1,243 versions of Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four Seasons alone.
>> Helping people through that was key to building the new Apple Music
>> Classical app, senior staff at the venture tell David Phelan
>> Sunday 29 October 2023 10:30
>>
>> Earlier this year, Apple launched Apple Music Classical as a standalone
>> music app that comes included in the price of Apple Music. It was an
>> unusual move for a streaming platform perhaps more associated with Drake
>> and Taylor Swift. And building it was a major undertaking, given the vast
>> complexity of classical music libraries and the difficulties in navigating
>> them.
>>
>> Apple Music Classical continues to grow. In its latest move, Apple
>> announced a new partnership between Apple and the London Philharmonic
>> Orchestra with the release of a live recording of Berlioz’s The Damnation
>> of Faust coming on 3 November. This is just one of the partners Apple
>> Music Classical has.
>>
>> From day one, the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra was a partner. The content
>> from that orchestra is extensive, with recordings dating back to 1929.
>> Some of it is unique to Apple and this exclusive content alone has already
>> been streamed millions of times.
>>
>> Recently, senior staffers at the app talked exclusively to The
>> Independent.
>>
>> Apple Music Classical came about because Apple realised that classical
>> artists and fans were really not being served well by streaming. As part
>> of its mission to use its engineering knowhow to fix this, it bought
>> Primephonic, widely recognised as the classical streaming platform that
>> succeeded where others had failed. It took more than a year of work before
>> Apple was happy with what it had created and its release to a highly
>> positive response.
>>
>> Now, classical music lovers don’t have to clamber past Justin Bieber and
>> Taylor Swift to get to Bach and Rachmaninoff.
>>
>> Classical music provides challenges other kinds of music don’t, or at
>> least not to the same extent. Instead of playing an album, 

Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible

[Tom Lange]

that is a great article; thank you for posting. I just downloaded the Apple 
Music Classical app and took it for a spin and it looks great. By the way, I 
found out that I could use airplay with my Sonos speakers, so that will be 
really nice to use Apple Music classical with airplay, and my Sonos speakers.

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 10:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> This is a wonderful article, Richard.
> 
> Thank you ever so much for posting it to the list.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 9:10 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – 
> and tried to make it accessible
> 
> Greetings,
> The word “Accessible” in the title of this article refers to general 
> accessibility to the world, not about disability.
> 
> I found this article very informative for any classical music fan.  I 
> stripped out the ads and have the link to the original story at the end.
> 
> How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried 
> to make it accessible
> There are 1,243 versions of Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four Seasons alone. 
> Helping people through that was key to building the new Apple Music Classical 
> app, senior staff at the venture tell David Phelan
> Sunday 29 October 2023 10:30
> 
> Earlier this year, Apple launched Apple Music Classical as a standalone music 
> app that comes included in the price of Apple Music. It was an unusual move 
> for a streaming platform perhaps more associated with Drake and Taylor Swift. 
> And building it was a major undertaking, given the vast complexity of 
> classical music libraries and the difficulties in navigating them.
> 
> Apple Music Classical continues to grow. In its latest move, Apple announced 
> a new partnership between Apple and the London Philharmonic Orchestra with 
> the release of a live recording of Berlioz’s The Damnation of Faust coming on 
> 3 November. This is just one of the partners Apple Music Classical has.
> 
> From day one, the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra was a partner. The content 
> from that orchestra is extensive, with recordings dating back to 1929. Some 
> of it is unique to Apple and this exclusive content alone has already been 
> streamed millions of times.
> 
> Recently, senior staffers at the app talked exclusively to The Independent.
> 
> Apple Music Classical came about because Apple realised that classical 
> artists and fans were really not being served well by streaming. As part of 
> its mission to use its engineering knowhow to fix this, it bought 
> Primephonic, widely recognised as the classical streaming platform that 
> succeeded where others had failed. It took more than a year of work before 
> Apple was happy with what it had created and its release to a highly positive 
> response.
> 
> Now, classical music lovers don’t have to clamber past Justin Bieber and 
> Taylor Swift to get to Bach and Rachmaninoff.
> 
> Classical music provides challenges other kinds of music don’t, or at least 
> not to the same extent. Instead of playing an album, artist or track, 
> classical lovers have favourite composers, orchestras, soloists and so on. 
> The search parameters are mind-boggling. Apple is well-equipped, with more 
> classical music than anywhere else on the planet, and Primephonic’s brilliant 
> data metrics were a starting point from which Apple’s engineers and expertise 
> transformed the experience. Want to listen to Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four 
> Seasons? Apple has 1,243 versions for you to choose from. If that sounds 
> overwhelming, Apple has a solution: careful navigation with sophisticated 
> search.
> 
> Just as Apple Fitness+ has a mantra that everybody is welcome, no matter 
> their fitness level or knowledge, Apple Music Classical is designed for 
> seasoned devotees and newcomers alike. “If you didn’t know much about the 
> world of classical, Apple Music Classical offers a structure so you can get 
> into it. It’s centuries of music, right, so where do you start? It gives you 
> an opportunity to get some perspective on it, explains Mariana Pimenta, who 
> works in operations at Apple Music Classical, saying: “We don’t expect 
> everybody who downloads it to be a professional musician, and we want 
> everyone to experience classical music. Our goal is to bring as many people 
> as possible to this service.”
> 
> Marina Boiko is an editor. She goes on, “The story of classical is a great 
> place to start and we’ve made sure there’s enough beginner-friendly content, 
> such as playlists of periods or genres.”
> 
> Not all traditional classical listeners will be especially tech-savvy, but 

RE: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible

[M. Taylor]

This is a wonderful article, Richard.

Thank you ever so much for posting it to the list.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 9:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – 
and tried to make it accessible

Greetings,
The word “Accessible” in the title of this article refers to general 
accessibility to the world, not about disability.

I found this article very informative for any classical music fan.  I stripped 
out the ads and have the link to the original story at the end.

How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried 
to make it accessible
There are 1,243 versions of Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four Seasons alone. 
Helping people through that was key to building the new Apple Music Classical 
app, senior staff at the venture tell David Phelan
Sunday 29 October 2023 10:30

Earlier this year, Apple launched Apple Music Classical as a standalone music 
app that comes included in the price of Apple Music. It was an unusual move for 
a streaming platform perhaps more associated with Drake and Taylor Swift. And 
building it was a major undertaking, given the vast complexity of classical 
music libraries and the difficulties in navigating them.

Apple Music Classical continues to grow. In its latest move, Apple announced a 
new partnership between Apple and the London Philharmonic Orchestra with the 
release of a live recording of Berlioz’s The Damnation of Faust coming on 3 
November. This is just one of the partners Apple Music Classical has.

>From day one, the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra was a partner. The content 
>from that orchestra is extensive, with recordings dating back to 1929. Some of 
>it is unique to Apple and this exclusive content alone has already been 
>streamed millions of times.

Recently, senior staffers at the app talked exclusively to The Independent.

Apple Music Classical came about because Apple realised that classical artists 
and fans were really not being served well by streaming. As part of its mission 
to use its engineering knowhow to fix this, it bought Primephonic, widely 
recognised as the classical streaming platform that succeeded where others had 
failed. It took more than a year of work before Apple was happy with what it 
had created and its release to a highly positive response.

Now, classical music lovers don’t have to clamber past Justin Bieber and Taylor 
Swift to get to Bach and Rachmaninoff.

Classical music provides challenges other kinds of music don’t, or at least not 
to the same extent. Instead of playing an album, artist or track, classical 
lovers have favourite composers, orchestras, soloists and so on. The search 
parameters are mind-boggling. Apple is well-equipped, with more classical music 
than anywhere else on the planet, and Primephonic’s brilliant data metrics were 
a starting point from which Apple’s engineers and expertise transformed the 
experience. Want to listen to Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four Seasons? Apple has 
1,243 versions for you to choose from. If that sounds overwhelming, Apple has a 
solution: careful navigation with sophisticated search.

Just as Apple Fitness+ has a mantra that everybody is welcome, no matter their 
fitness level or knowledge, Apple Music Classical is designed for seasoned 
devotees and newcomers alike. “If you didn’t know much about the world of 
classical, Apple Music Classical offers a structure so you can get into it. 
It’s centuries of music, right, so where do you start? It gives you an 
opportunity to get some perspective on it, explains Mariana Pimenta, who works 
in operations at Apple Music Classical, saying: “We don’t expect everybody who 
downloads it to be a professional musician, and we want everyone to experience 
classical music. Our goal is to bring as many people as possible to this 
service.”

Marina Boiko is an editor. She goes on, “The story of classical is a great 
place to start and we’ve made sure there’s enough beginner-friendly content, 
such as playlists of periods or genres.”

Not all traditional classical listeners will be especially tech-savvy, but that 
may not be a problem, as Guy Jones, global head of classical editorial, 
explains. “Lots of classical fans are new not just to technology but to 
streaming. The whole point of this product is to bring classical to streaming. 
It’s the musical genre that wasn’t really being streamed because the experience 
was previously so bad. The technical side of things may be less of a problem, 
especially as Apple’s guidelines around human interface design are baked into 
our product, but the challenge is more in explaining that streaming opens up 
opportunity and accessibility.

“When I was first getting into classical music, I had to buy CDs. I had to 
choose carefully what CD I wanted to buy each month. The ability now to just 
pick a random composer and ask

RE: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible

[Sieghard Weitzel]

How old are your Studio speakers?
When you buy a product from one eco system (Amazon) and you are primarily 
trying to use it with another (Apple) you may always run into issues.
This is why sticking with brands which support multiple systems is always a 
better idea, Sonos comes to mind here, their speakers can be set up with Alexa 
although there currently is no google Assistant on the newer Era speakers due 
to some fight Sonos has with google and a third-party Alexa speaker has a few 
limitations like you can’t use it for intercom/phone calls, but if you 
primarily want a speaker for music then Sonos is probably one of the best 
options out there because natively they support the largest number of music 
services I have seen and the app is and has been fully accessible for probably 
10 years or more now.
All the newer Sonos speakers also support Airplay 2 and you can stream via 
Bluetooth to the Era 100 and 300, but I think again this may not work if they 
are set up as a stereo pair. Anyways, if you are in your home where the 
speakers are set up using your home Wi-Fi, I don’t know why anybody would want 
to use Bluetooth which is of lower quality as Airplay 2. There are alternatives 
to Sonos nowadays, but in my opinion they still are the leader in multi-room 
home audio.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Judy 
Wilkinson
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 4:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music 
– and tried to make it accessible

This works for one speaker but you can’t pair two of them. Believe me I have 
tried this! And I like to listen to my music and stereo that’s why I bought two 
expensive speakers. I’m just disappointed that I didn’t know that I would never 
be able to hear Apple Music without buying new speakers
Judy Wilkinson



On Oct 30, 2023, at 1:00 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Well, you may be able to stream Apple Music via Bluetooth to your Studio 
speakers.

It is not as convenient as Airplay, but it should work.

How to Use Echo Studio as Bluetooth Speaker
We assume here that your speaker is up and running, is connected to Alexa via 
your Amazon account, and that you have the Alexa app running on a smart phone 
or tablet that is connected to the same network as your Echo Studio.  If not, 
get all that set up, and then come back and follow the routine below to set up 
the Echo Studio as a Bluetooth speaker.

1. Run the Alexa App
Find the Alexa app on your mobile device, as we did on the iPad Air device, as 
shown in the next picture.
Tap the Alexa app icon to run it. You should see the app’s Home page, as shown 
next.

2. Tap the Devices Button
Find this called out by the green arrow in the last picture.

3. Tap the All Devices Button
Touching the All Devices button brings up the   page, that lists all the Alexa 
devices currently configured on your Amazon account, as shown next.

4. Find and Touch the Echo Studio Speaker to Use
Locate your Echo Studio in the All Devices list shown on this page.  Then, tap 
it.
This brings up the Device Settings page for the Echo Studio you selected, as 
shown next. In this demo, we’re working with the Tom’s Echo Studio speaker.

5. Tap the Bluetooth Devices Item to Continue with How to Use Echo Studio as 
Bluetooth Speaker
Then, on the Device Settings page, touch the Bluetooth Devices item.  Find this 
just below the Audio Settings item,
This brings up the Bluetooth Settings page, as shown next.

6. Tap the Pair a New Device Bar

Then, you should see the Setup page come up, as shown next.

Now when this screen appears, then the Echo Studio is now in Bluetooth pairing 
mode.  So you can now find it on your phone or tablet or other source Bluetooth 
device.  In this demo, we’re going to connect it to an iPad Air tablet.

7. Go to your Tablet’s / Phone’s Home Screen
On our tablet, we go to the Home screen by pressing and releasing the Home 
button. This minimizes the Alexa app, and brings up the Home page, as shown 
next.

8. Bring up the Bluetooth Settings Page on your Mobile Device
Your device may be laid out differently.  But in this demo we found the 
Settings app on page two of the Home screen and tapped that.  That took us to 
the Settings page, where we then found Bluetooth item on the left side of that 
page, and then tapped that.  The result was the Bluetooth Settings page, as 
shown next.

Note that our Echo Studio was discovered as Echo Studio-2RK.

9. Tap on the Discovered Speaker to Pair with It
Tapping on the discovered and listed Echo Studio then creates a Bluetooth 
connection with it, as shown next.

The iPadOS -Bluetooth Settings- page, showing an Echo Studio speaker as 
connected.
The speaker then announces that you’ve now connected to it.

And finally, you can now play audio on your mobile device, and you’ll now hear 
it through the Alexa Echo Studio, which is now acting as a full-fledged 
Bluetooth speaker.  Enjoy !

From:
https://tomstek.us/how

Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible

[Judy Wilkinson]

This works for one speaker but you can’t pair two of them. Believe me I have tried this! And I like to listen to my music and stereo that’s why I bought two expensive speakers. I’m just disappointed that I didn’t know that I would never be able to hear Apple Music without buying new speakersJudy Wilkinson On Oct 30, 2023, at 1:00 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Well, you may be able to stream Apple Music via Bluetooth to your Studio speakers. It is not as convenient as Airplay, but it should work. How to Use Echo Studio as Bluetooth SpeakerWe assume here that your speaker is up and running, is connected to Alexa via your Amazon account, and that you have the Alexa app running on a smart phone or tablet that is connected to the same network as your Echo Studio.  If not, get all that set up, and then come back and follow the routine below to set up the Echo Studio as a Bluetooth speaker. 1. Run the Alexa AppFind the Alexa app on your mobile device, as we did on the iPad Air device, as shown in the next picture.Tap the Alexa app icon to run it. You should see the app’s Home page, as shown next. 2. Tap the Devices Button Find this called out by the green arrow in the last picture. 3. Tap the All Devices ButtonTouching the All Devices button brings up the   page, that lists all the Alexa devices currently configured on your Amazon account, as shown next. 4. Find and Touch the Echo Studio Speaker to UseLocate your Echo Studio in the All Devices list shown on this page.  Then, tap it.This brings up the Device Settings page for the Echo Studio you selected, as shown next. In this demo, we’re working with the Tom’s Echo Studio speaker. 5. Tap the Bluetooth Devices Item to Continue with How to Use Echo Studio as Bluetooth SpeakerThen, on the Device Settings page, touch the Bluetooth Devices item.  Find this just below the Audio Settings item, This brings up the Bluetooth Settings page, as shown next. 6. Tap the Pair a New Device Bar Then, you should see the Setup page come up, as shown next. Now when this screen appears, then the Echo Studio is now in Bluetooth pairing mode.  So you can now find it on your phone or tablet or other source Bluetooth device.  In this demo, we’re going to connect it to an iPad Air tablet. 7. Go to your Tablet’s / Phone’s Home ScreenOn our tablet, we go to the Home screen by pressing and releasing the Home button. This minimizes the Alexa app, and brings up the Home page, as shown next. 8. Bring up the Bluetooth Settings Page on your Mobile Device Your device may be laid out differently.  But in this demo we found the Settings app on page two of the Home screen and tapped that.  That took us to the Settings page, where we then found Bluetooth item on the left side of that page, and then tapped that.  The result was the Bluetooth Settings page, as shown next. Note that our Echo Studio was discovered as Echo Studio-2RK. 9. Tap on the Discovered Speaker to Pair with It Tapping on the discovered and listed Echo Studio then creates a Bluetooth connection with it, as shown next. The iPadOS -Bluetooth Settings- page, showing an Echo Studio speaker as connected.The speaker then announces that you’ve now connected to it. And finally, you can now play audio on your mobile device, and you’ll now hear it through the Alexa Echo Studio, which is now acting as a full-fledged Bluetooth speaker.  Enjoy ! From:https://tomstek.us/how-to-use-echo-studio-as-bluetooth-speaker/#google_vignette   Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Judy WilkinsonSent: Monday, October 30, 2023 12:34 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible Thank you for this information. Mine is an older studio. I’ve invested a lot of money here so Apple will just have to go. Spotify works quite well.Judy Wilkinson  On Oct 30, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: Here again what I wrote, not sure if the first message made it: Hi Judy, I just Googled this and as with many Echo speakers, there are multiple generations of them by now. It seems that the latest version of the Echo Studio (2022) does support Airplay 2 which means  if your Echo Studio is one of them, you can stream anything playing on  your iPhone to the speaker via Airplay. If, however, yours is from 2018 or 2019, then this would not work.  From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Judy WilkinsonSent: Monday, October 30, 2023 11:09 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible I have no idea whether Amazon smart speakers have airplay capability. Does anyone know whether the studio speakers have this option?Judy Wilkinso

RE: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible

[Richard Turner]

Well, you may be able to stream Apple Music via Bluetooth to your Studio 
speakers.

 

It is not as convenient as Airplay, but it should work.

 

How to Use Echo Studio as Bluetooth Speaker

We assume here that your speaker is up and running, is connected to Alexa via 
your Amazon account, and that you have the Alexa app running on a smart phone 
or tablet that is connected to the same network as your Echo Studio.  If not, 
get all that set up, and then come back and follow the routine below to set up 
the Echo Studio as a Bluetooth speaker.

 

1. Run the Alexa App

Find the Alexa app on your mobile device, as we did on the iPad Air device, as 
shown in the next picture.

Tap the Alexa app icon to run it. You should see the app’s Home page, as shown 
next.

 

2. Tap the Devices Button 

Find this called out by the green arrow in the last picture.

 

3. Tap the All Devices Button

Touching the All Devices button brings up the   page, that lists all the Alexa 
devices currently configured on your Amazon account, as shown next.

 

4. Find and Touch the Echo Studio Speaker to Use

Locate your Echo Studio in the All Devices list shown on this page.  Then, tap 
it.

This brings up the Device Settings page for the Echo Studio you selected, as 
shown next. In this demo, we’re working with the Tom’s Echo Studio speaker.

 

5. Tap the Bluetooth Devices Item to Continue with How to Use Echo Studio as 
Bluetooth Speaker

Then, on the Device Settings page, touch the Bluetooth Devices item.  Find this 
just below the Audio Settings item, 

This brings up the Bluetooth Settings page, as shown next.

 

6. Tap the Pair a New Device Bar

 

Then, you should see the Setup page come up, as shown next.

 

Now when this screen appears, then the Echo Studio is now in Bluetooth pairing 
mode.  So you can now find it on your phone or tablet or other source Bluetooth 
device.  In this demo, we’re going to connect it to an iPad Air tablet.

 

7. Go to your Tablet’s / Phone’s Home Screen

On our tablet, we go to the Home screen by pressing and releasing the Home 
button. This minimizes the Alexa app, and brings up the Home page, as shown 
next.

 

8. Bring up the Bluetooth Settings Page on your Mobile Device 

Your device may be laid out differently.  But in this demo we found the 
Settings app on page two of the Home screen and tapped that.  That took us to 
the Settings page, where we then found Bluetooth item on the left side of that 
page, and then tapped that.  The result was the Bluetooth Settings page, as 
shown next.

 

Note that our Echo Studio was discovered as Echo Studio-2RK.

 

9. Tap on the Discovered Speaker to Pair with It 

Tapping on the discovered and listed Echo Studio then creates a Bluetooth 
connection with it, as shown next.

 

The iPadOS -Bluetooth Settings- page, showing an Echo Studio speaker as 
connected.

The speaker then announces that you’ve now connected to it.

 

And finally, you can now play audio on your mobile device, and you’ll now hear 
it through the Alexa Echo Studio, which is now acting as a full-fledged 
Bluetooth speaker.  Enjoy !

 

From:

https://tomstek.us/how-to-use-echo-studio-as-bluetooth-speaker/#google_vignette

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Judy 
Wilkinson
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 12:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music 
– and tried to make it accessible

 

Thank you for this information. Mine is an older studio. I’ve invested a lot of 
money here so Apple will just have to go. Spotify works quite well.

Judy Wilkinson 

 





On Oct 30, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Here again what I wrote, not sure if the first message made it:

 

Hi Judy,

 

I just Googled this and as with many Echo speakers, there are multiple 
generations of them by now. It seems that the latest version of the Echo Studio 
(2022) does support Airplay 2 which means  if your Echo Studio is one of them, 
you can stream anything playing on  your iPhone to the speaker via Airplay. If, 
however, yours is from 2018 or 2019, then this would not work.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Judy 
Wilkinson
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music 
– and tried to make it accessible

 

I have no idea whether Amazon smart speakers have airplay capability. Does 
anyone know whether the studio speakers have this option?

Judy Wilkinson 

 






On Oct 30, 2023, at 11:03 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:s

Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible

[Judy Wilkinson]

Thank you for this information. Mine is an older studio. I’ve invested a lot of money here so Apple will just have to go. Spotify works quite well.Judy Wilkinson On Oct 30, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







Here again what I wrote, not sure if the first message made it:
 
Hi Judy,
 
I just Googled this and as with many Echo speakers, there are multiple generations of them by now. It seems that the latest version of the Echo Studio (2022) does support Airplay 2 which means  if your Echo Studio is one of them, you can
 stream anything playing on  your iPhone to the speaker via Airplay. If, however, yours is from 2018 or 2019, then this would not work.
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Judy Wilkinson
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible


 
I have no idea whether Amazon smart speakers have airplay capability. Does anyone know whether the studio speakers have this option?


Judy Wilkinson 


 







On Oct 30, 2023, at 11:03 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:




 
I am not quite sure I follow exactly what the problem is, maybe it would help to know exactly what speakers you have.
I have a Sonos system with speakers throughout the house and while there is currently not an app inside the Sonos Controller for Apple’s classical music app, I can simply Airplay it to my Sonos speakers. As long as you have speakers capable
 of Airplay you can stream anything playing on  your phone to said speakers.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com>
On Behalf Of Judy Wilkinson
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible


 
When classic came out, I am very excited Lee subscribe to Apple Music. I have found out that I cannot use it, however. I have smart speakers when I use Spotify a button pops up next to the play button that says it hooked to other speakers
 or something like that, and I’m able to to hook it to my living room speakers, but there is no such feature in Apple Music so the only way I can play, the classical music or any other Apple Music is by using Bluetooth speakers.

Obviously, I don’t want to buy expensive. Bluetooth speakers just to play my Apple Music. And I don’t always want to use your phones.


I can make it play through my speakers if I know the exact title of the selection or the album that I want to play but I don’t always want to do that. Sometimes I want to just go into my library and pick something and have a play as I say
 I can do this easily with Spotify and my smart speakers, but not at all with the Apple music I have had to reluctantly cancel my Apple Music subscription unless anyone knows exactly how I can make my smart speakers work that is.


 














































































































































 


Judy Wilkinson 


 








On Oct 30, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Richard Turner <richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:





Greetings,
The word “Accessible” in the title of this article refers to general accessibility to the world, not about disability.
 
I found this article very informative for any classical music fan.  I stripped out the ads and have the link to the original story at the end.
 
How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible
There are 1,243 versions of Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four Seasons alone. Helping people through that was key to building the new Apple Music Classical app, senior staff at the venture tell David Phelan
Sunday 29 October 2023 10:30
 
Earlier this year, Apple launched Apple Music Classical as a standalone music app that comes included in the price of Apple Music. It was an unusual move for a streaming platform perhaps more associated with Drake and Taylor Swift. And
 building it was a major undertaking, given the vast complexity of classical music libraries and the difficulties in navigating them.
 
Apple Music Classical continues to grow. In its latest move, Apple announced a new partnership between Apple and the London Philharmonic Orchestra with the release of a live recording of Berlioz’s The Damnation of Faust coming on 3 November.
 This is just one of the partners Apple Music Classical has.
 
From day one, the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra was a partner. The content from that orchestra is extensive, with recordings dating back to 1929. Some of it is unique to Apple and this exclusive content alone has already been streamed millions
 of times.
 
Recently, senior staffers at the app talked exclusively to The Independent.
 
Apple Music Classical came about because Apple realised that classical artists and fans were really not being served well by streami

RE: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Here again what I wrote, not sure if the first message made it:

Hi Judy,

I just Googled this and as with many Echo speakers, there are multiple 
generations of them by now. It seems that the latest version of the Echo Studio 
(2022) does support Airplay 2 which means  if your Echo Studio is one of them, 
you can stream anything playing on  your iPhone to the speaker via Airplay. If, 
however, yours is from 2018 or 2019, then this would not work.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Judy 
Wilkinson
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music 
– and tried to make it accessible

I have no idea whether Amazon smart speakers have airplay capability. Does 
anyone know whether the studio speakers have this option?
Judy Wilkinson



On Oct 30, 2023, at 11:03 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I am not quite sure I follow exactly what the problem is, maybe it would help 
to know exactly what speakers you have.
I have a Sonos system with speakers throughout the house and while there is 
currently not an app inside the Sonos Controller for Apple’s classical music 
app, I can simply Airplay it to my Sonos speakers. As long as you have speakers 
capable of Airplay you can stream anything playing on  your phone to said 
speakers.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Judy 
Wilkinson
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music 
– and tried to make it accessible

When classic came out, I am very excited Lee subscribe to Apple Music. I have 
found out that I cannot use it, however. I have smart speakers when I use 
Spotify a button pops up next to the play button that says it hooked to other 
speakers or something like that, and I’m able to to hook it to my living room 
speakers, but there is no such feature in Apple Music so the only way I can 
play, the classical music or any other Apple Music is by using Bluetooth 
speakers.
Obviously, I don’t want to buy expensive. Bluetooth speakers just to play my 
Apple Music. And I don’t always want to use your phones.
I can make it play through my speakers if I know the exact title of the 
selection or the album that I want to play but I don’t always want to do that. 
Sometimes I want to just go into my library and pick something and have a play 
as I say I can do this easily with Spotify and my smart speakers, but not at 
all with the Apple music I have had to reluctantly cancel my Apple Music 
subscription unless anyone knows exactly how I can make my smart speakers work 
that is.


Judy Wilkinson




On Oct 30, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Greetings,
The word “Accessible” in the title of this article refers to general 
accessibility to the world, not about disability.

I found this article very informative for any classical music fan.  I stripped 
out the ads and have the link to the original story at the end.

How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried 
to make it accessible
There are 1,243 versions of Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four Seasons alone. 
Helping people through that was key to building the new Apple Music Classical 
app, senior staff at the venture tell David Phelan
Sunday 29 October 2023 10:30

Earlier this year, Apple launched Apple Music Classical as a standalone music 
app that comes included in the price of Apple Music. It was an unusual move for 
a streaming platform perhaps more associated with Drake and Taylor Swift. And 
building it was a major undertaking, given the vast complexity of classical 
music libraries and the difficulties in navigating them.

Apple Music Classical continues to grow. In its latest move, Apple announced a 
new partnership between Apple and the London Philharmonic Orchestra with the 
release of a live recording of Berlioz’s The Damnation of Faust coming on 3 
November. This is just one of the partners Apple Music Classical has.

>From day one, the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra was a partner. The content 
>from that orchestra is extensive, with recordings dating back to 1929. Some of 
>it is unique to Apple and this exclusive content alone has already been 
>streamed millions of times.

Recently, senior staffers at the app talked exclusively to The Independent.

Apple Music Classical came about because Apple realised that classical artists 
and fans were really not being served well by streaming. As part of its mission 
to use its engineering knowhow to fix this, it bought Primephonic, widely 
recognised as the classical streaming platform that succeeded where others had 
failed. It took more than a year of work before Apple was happy with what it 
had created and

Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible

[Judy Wilkinson]

I have no idea whether Amazon smart speakers have airplay capability. Does anyone know whether the studio speakers have this option?Judy Wilkinson On Oct 30, 2023, at 11:03 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I am not quite sure I follow exactly what the problem is, maybe it would help to know exactly what speakers you have.
I have a Sonos system with speakers throughout the house and while there is currently not an app inside the Sonos Controller for Apple’s classical music app, I can simply Airplay it to my Sonos speakers. As long as you have speakers capable
 of Airplay you can stream anything playing on  your phone to said speakers.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Judy Wilkinson
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible


 
When classic came out, I am very excited Lee subscribe to Apple Music. I have found out that I cannot use it, however. I have smart speakers when I use Spotify a button pops up next to the play button that says it hooked to other speakers
 or something like that, and I’m able to to hook it to my living room speakers, but there is no such feature in Apple Music so the only way I can play, the classical music or any other Apple Music is by using Bluetooth speakers.

Obviously, I don’t want to buy expensive. Bluetooth speakers just to play my Apple Music. And I don’t always want to use your phones.


I can make it play through my speakers if I know the exact title of the selection or the album that I want to play but I don’t always want to do that. Sometimes I want to just go into my library and pick something and have a play as I say
 I can do this easily with Spotify and my smart speakers, but not at all with the Apple music I have had to reluctantly cancel my Apple Music subscription unless anyone knows exactly how I can make my smart speakers work that is.


 














































































































































 


Judy Wilkinson 


 







On Oct 30, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Richard Turner <richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:





Greetings,
The word “Accessible” in the title of this article refers to general accessibility to the world, not about disability.
 
I found this article very informative for any classical music fan.  I stripped out the ads and have the link to the original story at the end.
 
How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible
There are 1,243 versions of Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four Seasons alone. Helping people through that was key to building the new Apple Music Classical app, senior staff at the venture tell David Phelan
Sunday 29 October 2023 10:30
 
Earlier this year, Apple launched Apple Music Classical as a standalone music app that comes included in the price of Apple Music. It was an unusual move for a streaming platform perhaps more associated with Drake and Taylor Swift. And
 building it was a major undertaking, given the vast complexity of classical music libraries and the difficulties in navigating them.
 
Apple Music Classical continues to grow. In its latest move, Apple announced a new partnership between Apple and the London Philharmonic Orchestra with the release of a live recording of Berlioz’s The Damnation of Faust coming on 3 November.
 This is just one of the partners Apple Music Classical has.
 
From day one, the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra was a partner. The content from that orchestra is extensive, with recordings dating back to 1929. Some of it is unique to Apple and this exclusive content alone has already been streamed millions
 of times.
 
Recently, senior staffers at the app talked exclusively to The Independent.
 
Apple Music Classical came about because Apple realised that classical artists and fans were really not being served well by streaming. As part of its mission to use its engineering knowhow to fix this, it bought Primephonic, widely recognised
 as the classical streaming platform that succeeded where others had failed. It took more than a year of work before Apple was happy with what it had created and its release to a highly positive response.
 
Now, classical music lovers don’t have to clamber past Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift to get to Bach and Rachmaninoff.
 
Classical music provides challenges other kinds of music don’t, or at least not to the same extent. Instead of playing an album, artist or track, classical lovers have favourite composers, orchestras, soloists and so on. The search parameters
 are mind-boggling. Apple is well-equipped, with more classical music than anywhere else on the planet, and Primephonic’s brilliant data metrics were a starting point from which Apple’s engineers and expertise transformed the experience. Want to listen to Vivaldi’s
 Spring from the Four Seasons? Apple has 1,243 ve

Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible

[Judy Wilkinson]

I have a pair of Amazon studio speakersJudy Wilkinson On Oct 30, 2023, at 11:03 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I am not quite sure I follow exactly what the problem is, maybe it would help to know exactly what speakers you have.
I have a Sonos system with speakers throughout the house and while there is currently not an app inside the Sonos Controller for Apple’s classical music app, I can simply Airplay it to my Sonos speakers. As long as you have speakers capable
 of Airplay you can stream anything playing on  your phone to said speakers.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Judy Wilkinson
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible


 
When classic came out, I am very excited Lee subscribe to Apple Music. I have found out that I cannot use it, however. I have smart speakers when I use Spotify a button pops up next to the play button that says it hooked to other speakers
 or something like that, and I’m able to to hook it to my living room speakers, but there is no such feature in Apple Music so the only way I can play, the classical music or any other Apple Music is by using Bluetooth speakers.

Obviously, I don’t want to buy expensive. Bluetooth speakers just to play my Apple Music. And I don’t always want to use your phones.


I can make it play through my speakers if I know the exact title of the selection or the album that I want to play but I don’t always want to do that. Sometimes I want to just go into my library and pick something and have a play as I say
 I can do this easily with Spotify and my smart speakers, but not at all with the Apple music I have had to reluctantly cancel my Apple Music subscription unless anyone knows exactly how I can make my smart speakers work that is.


 














































































































































 


Judy Wilkinson 


 







On Oct 30, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Richard Turner <richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:





Greetings,
The word “Accessible” in the title of this article refers to general accessibility to the world, not about disability.
 
I found this article very informative for any classical music fan.  I stripped out the ads and have the link to the original story at the end.
 
How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible
There are 1,243 versions of Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four Seasons alone. Helping people through that was key to building the new Apple Music Classical app, senior staff at the venture tell David Phelan
Sunday 29 October 2023 10:30
 
Earlier this year, Apple launched Apple Music Classical as a standalone music app that comes included in the price of Apple Music. It was an unusual move for a streaming platform perhaps more associated with Drake and Taylor Swift. And
 building it was a major undertaking, given the vast complexity of classical music libraries and the difficulties in navigating them.
 
Apple Music Classical continues to grow. In its latest move, Apple announced a new partnership between Apple and the London Philharmonic Orchestra with the release of a live recording of Berlioz’s The Damnation of Faust coming on 3 November.
 This is just one of the partners Apple Music Classical has.
 
From day one, the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra was a partner. The content from that orchestra is extensive, with recordings dating back to 1929. Some of it is unique to Apple and this exclusive content alone has already been streamed millions
 of times.
 
Recently, senior staffers at the app talked exclusively to The Independent.
 
Apple Music Classical came about because Apple realised that classical artists and fans were really not being served well by streaming. As part of its mission to use its engineering knowhow to fix this, it bought Primephonic, widely recognised
 as the classical streaming platform that succeeded where others had failed. It took more than a year of work before Apple was happy with what it had created and its release to a highly positive response.
 
Now, classical music lovers don’t have to clamber past Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift to get to Bach and Rachmaninoff.
 
Classical music provides challenges other kinds of music don’t, or at least not to the same extent. Instead of playing an album, artist or track, classical lovers have favourite composers, orchestras, soloists and so on. The search parameters
 are mind-boggling. Apple is well-equipped, with more classical music than anywhere else on the planet, and Primephonic’s brilliant data metrics were a starting point from which Apple’s engineers and expertise transformed the experience. Want to listen to Vivaldi’s
 Spring from the Four Seasons? Apple has 1,243 versions for you to choose from. If that sounds overwhelming, Apple has a solution: careful navi

RE: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I am not quite sure I follow exactly what the problem is, maybe it would help 
to know exactly what speakers you have.
I have a Sonos system with speakers throughout the house and while there is 
currently not an app inside the Sonos Controller for Apple’s classical music 
app, I can simply Airplay it to my Sonos speakers. As long as you have speakers 
capable of Airplay you can stream anything playing on  your phone to said 
speakers.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Judy 
Wilkinson
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music 
– and tried to make it accessible

When classic came out, I am very excited Lee subscribe to Apple Music. I have 
found out that I cannot use it, however. I have smart speakers when I use 
Spotify a button pops up next to the play button that says it hooked to other 
speakers or something like that, and I’m able to to hook it to my living room 
speakers, but there is no such feature in Apple Music so the only way I can 
play, the classical music or any other Apple Music is by using Bluetooth 
speakers.
Obviously, I don’t want to buy expensive. Bluetooth speakers just to play my 
Apple Music. And I don’t always want to use your phones.
I can make it play through my speakers if I know the exact title of the 
selection or the album that I want to play but I don’t always want to do that. 
Sometimes I want to just go into my library and pick something and have a play 
as I say I can do this easily with Spotify and my smart speakers, but not at 
all with the Apple music I have had to reluctantly cancel my Apple Music 
subscription unless anyone knows exactly how I can make my smart speakers work 
that is.


Judy Wilkinson



On Oct 30, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Greetings,
The word “Accessible” in the title of this article refers to general 
accessibility to the world, not about disability.

I found this article very informative for any classical music fan.  I stripped 
out the ads and have the link to the original story at the end.

How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried 
to make it accessible
There are 1,243 versions of Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four Seasons alone. 
Helping people through that was key to building the new Apple Music Classical 
app, senior staff at the venture tell David Phelan
Sunday 29 October 2023 10:30

Earlier this year, Apple launched Apple Music Classical as a standalone music 
app that comes included in the price of Apple Music. It was an unusual move for 
a streaming platform perhaps more associated with Drake and Taylor Swift. And 
building it was a major undertaking, given the vast complexity of classical 
music libraries and the difficulties in navigating them.

Apple Music Classical continues to grow. In its latest move, Apple announced a 
new partnership between Apple and the London Philharmonic Orchestra with the 
release of a live recording of Berlioz’s The Damnation of Faust coming on 3 
November. This is just one of the partners Apple Music Classical has.

>From day one, the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra was a partner. The content 
>from that orchestra is extensive, with recordings dating back to 1929. Some of 
>it is unique to Apple and this exclusive content alone has already been 
>streamed millions of times.

Recently, senior staffers at the app talked exclusively to The Independent.

Apple Music Classical came about because Apple realised that classical artists 
and fans were really not being served well by streaming. As part of its mission 
to use its engineering knowhow to fix this, it bought Primephonic, widely 
recognised as the classical streaming platform that succeeded where others had 
failed. It took more than a year of work before Apple was happy with what it 
had created and its release to a highly positive response.

Now, classical music lovers don’t have to clamber past Justin Bieber and Taylor 
Swift to get to Bach and Rachmaninoff.

Classical music provides challenges other kinds of music don’t, or at least not 
to the same extent. Instead of playing an album, artist or track, classical 
lovers have favourite composers, orchestras, soloists and so on. The search 
parameters are mind-boggling. Apple is well-equipped, with more classical music 
than anywhere else on the planet, and Primephonic’s brilliant data metrics were 
a starting point from which Apple’s engineers and expertise transformed the 
experience. Want to listen to Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four Seasons? Apple has 
1,243 versions for you to choose from. If that sounds overwhelming, Apple has a 
solution: careful navigation with sophisticated search.

Just as Apple Fitness+ has a mantra that everybody is welcome, no matter their 
fitness level or knowledge, Apple Music Classical is designed for seasoned 
devotees and newcomers alike. “If you didn

Re: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible

[Judy Wilkinson]

When classic came out, I am very excited Lee subscribe to Apple Music. I have found out that I cannot use it, however. I have smart speakers when I use Spotify a button pops up next to the play button that says it hooked to other speakers or something like that, and I’m able to to hook it to my living room speakers, but there is no such feature in Apple Music so the only way I can play, the classical music or any other Apple Music is by using Bluetooth speakers.Obviously, I don’t want to buy expensive. Bluetooth speakers just to play my Apple Music. And I don’t always want to use your phones.I can make it play through my speakers if I know the exact title of the selection or the album that I want to play but I don’t always want to do that. Sometimes I want to just go into my library and pick something and have a play as I say I can do this easily with Spotify and my smart speakers, but not at all with the Apple music I have had to reluctantly cancel my Apple Music subscription unless anyone knows exactly how I can make my smart speakers work that is.Judy Wilkinson On Oct 30, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:Greetings,The word “Accessible” in the title of this article refers to general accessibility to the world, not about disability. I found this article very informative for any classical music fan.  I stripped out the ads and have the link to the original story at the end. How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessibleThere are 1,243 versions of Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four Seasons alone. Helping people through that was key to building the new Apple Music Classical app, senior staff at the venture tell David PhelanSunday 29 October 2023 10:30 Earlier this year, Apple launched Apple Music Classical as a standalone music app that comes included in the price of Apple Music. It was an unusual move for a streaming platform perhaps more associated with Drake and Taylor Swift. And building it was a major undertaking, given the vast complexity of classical music libraries and the difficulties in navigating them. Apple Music Classical continues to grow. In its latest move, Apple announced a new partnership between Apple and the London Philharmonic Orchestra with the release of a live recording of Berlioz’s The Damnation of Faust coming on 3 November. This is just one of the partners Apple Music Classical has. From day one, the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra was a partner. The content from that orchestra is extensive, with recordings dating back to 1929. Some of it is unique to Apple and this exclusive content alone has already been streamed millions of times. Recently, senior staffers at the app talked exclusively to The Independent. Apple Music Classical came about because Apple realised that classical artists and fans were really not being served well by streaming. As part of its mission to use its engineering knowhow to fix this, it bought Primephonic, widely recognised as the classical streaming platform that succeeded where others had failed. It took more than a year of work before Apple was happy with what it had created and its release to a highly positive response. Now, classical music lovers don’t have to clamber past Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift to get to Bach and Rachmaninoff. Classical music provides challenges other kinds of music don’t, or at least not to the same extent. Instead of playing an album, artist or track, classical lovers have favourite composers, orchestras, soloists and so on. The search parameters are mind-boggling. Apple is well-equipped, with more classical music than anywhere else on the planet, and Primephonic’s brilliant data metrics were a starting point from which Apple’s engineers and expertise transformed the experience. Want to listen to Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four Seasons? Apple has 1,243 versions for you to choose from. If that sounds overwhelming, Apple has a solution: careful navigation with sophisticated search. Just as Apple Fitness+ has a mantra that everybody is welcome, no matter their fitness level or knowledge, Apple Music Classical is designed for seasoned devotees and newcomers alike. “If you didn’t know much about the world of classical, Apple Music Classical offers a structure so you can get into it. It’s centuries of music, right, so where do you start? It gives you an opportunity to get some perspective on it, explains Mariana Pimenta, who works in operations at Apple Music Classical, saying: “We don’t expect everybody who downloads it to be a professional musician, and we want everyone to experience classical music. Our goal is to bring as many people as possible to this service.” Marina Boiko is an editor. She goes on, “The story of classical is a great place to start and we’ve made sure there’s enough beginner-friendly content, such as playlists of periods or genres.” Not all traditional classical listeners will be especially tech-savvy, but that may not be a problem, as Guy Jones, global

How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible

[Richard Turner]

Greetings,

The word “Accessible” in the title of this article refers to general 
accessibility to the world, not about disability.

 

I found this article very informative for any classical music fan.  I stripped 
out the ads and have the link to the original story at the end.

 

How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried 
to make it accessible

There are 1,243 versions of Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four Seasons alone. 
Helping people through that was key to building the new Apple Music Classical 
app, senior staff at the venture tell David Phelan

Sunday 29 October 2023 10:30

 

Earlier this year, Apple launched Apple Music Classical as a standalone music 
app that comes included in the price of Apple Music. It was an unusual move for 
a streaming platform perhaps more associated with Drake and Taylor Swift. And 
building it was a major undertaking, given the vast complexity of classical 
music libraries and the difficulties in navigating them.

 

Apple Music Classical continues to grow. In its latest move, Apple announced a 
new partnership between Apple and the London Philharmonic Orchestra with the 
release of a live recording of Berlioz’s The Damnation of Faust coming on 3 
November. This is just one of the partners Apple Music Classical has.

 

>From day one, the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra was a partner. The content 
>from that orchestra is extensive, with recordings dating back to 1929. Some of 
>it is unique to Apple and this exclusive content alone has already been 
>streamed millions of times.

 

Recently, senior staffers at the app talked exclusively to The Independent.

 

Apple Music Classical came about because Apple realised that classical artists 
and fans were really not being served well by streaming. As part of its mission 
to use its engineering knowhow to fix this, it bought Primephonic, widely 
recognised as the classical streaming platform that succeeded where others had 
failed. It took more than a year of work before Apple was happy with what it 
had created and its release to a highly positive response.

 

Now, classical music lovers don’t have to clamber past Justin Bieber and Taylor 
Swift to get to Bach and Rachmaninoff.

 

Classical music provides challenges other kinds of music don’t, or at least not 
to the same extent. Instead of playing an album, artist or track, classical 
lovers have favourite composers, orchestras, soloists and so on. The search 
parameters are mind-boggling. Apple is well-equipped, with more classical music 
than anywhere else on the planet, and Primephonic’s brilliant data metrics were 
a starting point from which Apple’s engineers and expertise transformed the 
experience. Want to listen to Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four Seasons? Apple has 
1,243 versions for you to choose from. If that sounds overwhelming, Apple has a 
solution: careful navigation with sophisticated search.

 

Just as Apple Fitness+ has a mantra that everybody is welcome, no matter their 
fitness level or knowledge, Apple Music Classical is designed for seasoned 
devotees and newcomers alike. “If you didn’t know much about the world of 
classical, Apple Music Classical offers a structure so you can get into it. 
It’s centuries of music, right, so where do you start? It gives you an 
opportunity to get some perspective on it, explains Mariana Pimenta, who works 
in operations at Apple Music Classical, saying: “We don’t expect everybody who 
downloads it to be a professional musician, and we want everyone to experience 
classical music. Our goal is to bring as many people as possible to this 
service.”

 

Marina Boiko is an editor. She goes on, “The story of classical is a great 
place to start and we’ve made sure there’s enough beginner-friendly content, 
such as playlists of periods or genres.”

 

Not all traditional classical listeners will be especially tech-savvy, but that 
may not be a problem, as Guy Jones, global head of classical editorial, 
explains. “Lots of classical fans are new not just to technology but to 
streaming. The whole point of this product is to bring classical to streaming. 
It’s the musical genre that wasn’t really being streamed because the experience 
was previously so bad. The technical side of things may be less of a problem, 
especially as Apple’s guidelines around human interface design are baked into 
our product, but the challenge is more in explaining that streaming opens up 
opportunity and accessibility.

 

“When I was first getting into classical music, I had to buy CDs. I had to 
choose carefully what CD I wanted to buy each month. The ability now to just 
pick a random composer and ask, ‘Do I like this composer?’ That ability to let 
you dip your toe in the water, I think that’s the real power of something like 
Apple Music Classical, and not just for beginners, for the experts too.”

 

The absence of the Primephonic app while Apple Music Classical was being 
developed was dow

RE: I just tried wide spectrum

[Richard Turner]

My guess is that Wide Spectrum is for Apple headphones, but not sure yet.




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I just tried wide spectrum on my i pad it said it is not avalable. Is it only a 
valable in the unitated states?

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I just tried wide spectrum

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I just tried wide spectrum on my i pad it said it is not avalable. Is it only a 
valable in the unitated states?

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RE: has anyone tried these apps

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 5:55 PM
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Subject: Re: has anyone tried these apps

Eh it's not time to end this subject???
Lyne


Le 22 juill. 2021 à 18:51, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> a écrit :

Hi Sieghard

Yes fully understand that,

But when they get their data uncapped they shouldn’t have to worry about it.

And all their family have iPhones,
Although extended family there are 2 androids,

But still
Sms use bugger all data,

But hey it’s the younger generation,

They’re always finding something wrong.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, 23 July 2021 3:08 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps

Simon, your nieces are correct, if you use iMessage and send a message to 
another person who has an iOS device and has iMessage turned on or in other 
words if the message is sent as an iMessage and not an SMS or MMS then indeed 
mobile data is used. Of course if they use Instagram then they also use mobile 
data and probably a lot more than if they simply sent an iMessage especially if 
they first spend 5 minutes scrolling through everybody's latest posts and 
pictures.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 9:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps

Hey Sieghard

Thanks for that article,

Very interesting

I use iMessage by default as most people I message have iPhones.

But it’s interesting the mind set of some people,

My neaces wont use iMessage because they think it uses their mobile data so 
they have all turned it off and simply use sms on their iPhones, or they 
message friends using Instagram

The android folks is no way to get around things

But it’s interesting and yet concerning how these hackers / man in the middle 
type attacks are growing on / with mobile devices.

Cheers again for a great read.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2021 4:09 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps

Sorry, I accidently sent my previous message without providing the link to the 
article I referenced and cleaning up a few false starts, here is that link:

Why You Should Stop Sending SMS Messages—Even On Apple 
iMessage

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 4:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: has anyone tried these apps

Dan, What is the "zero click effort?" Sounds important enough to ask, being 
that you are searching for a different messaging app.

Donna




I was considering trying some different messaging apps since there is another 
zero click effort going on.  These reportedly have protections against zero 
click attacks and thought I'd ask here before going through the effort myself.



The apps are:



Threema

Telegram Messenger

Signal



Not sure about using Telegram Messenger because of its storing everything in 
the cloud and I do not trust cloud storage very much though.



Any experiences appreciated.





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Re: has anyone tried these apps

[l . d . ethier23]

Eh it's not time to end this subject???

Lyne

> Le 22 juill. 2021 à 18:51, Simon A Fogarty  a écrit :
> 
> 
> Hi Sieghard
>  
> Yes fully understand that,
>  
> But when they get their data uncapped they shouldn’t have to worry about it.
>  
> And all their family have iPhones,
> Although extended family there are 2 androids,
>  
> But still
> Sms use bugger all data,
>  
> But hey it’s the younger generation,
>  
> They’re always finding something wrong.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, 23 July 2021 3:08 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps
>  
> Simon, your nieces are correct, if you use iMessage and send a message to 
> another person who has an iOS device and has iMessage turned on or in other 
> words if the message is sent as an iMessage and not an SMS or MMS then indeed 
> mobile data is used. Of course if they use Instagram then they also use 
> mobile data and probably a lot more than if they simply sent an iMessage 
> especially if they first spend 5 minutes scrolling through everybody's latest 
> posts and pictures.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
> A Fogarty
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 9:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps
>  
> Hey Sieghard
>  
> Thanks for that article,
>  
> Very interesting
>  
> I use iMessage by default as most people I message have iPhones.
>  
> But it’s interesting the mind set of some people,
>  
> My neaces wont use iMessage because they think it uses their mobile data so 
> they have all turned it off and simply use sms on their iPhones, or they 
> message friends using Instagram
>  
> The android folks is no way to get around things
>  
> But it’s interesting and yet concerning how these hackers / man in the middle 
> type attacks are growing on / with mobile devices.
>  
> Cheers again for a great read.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2021 4:09 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps
>  
> Sorry, I accidently sent my previous message without providing the link to 
> the article I referenced and cleaning up a few false starts, here is that 
> link:
>  
> Why You Should Stop Sending SMS Messages—Even On Apple iMessage
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
> Casteen
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 4:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: has anyone tried these apps
>  
> Dan, What is the "zero click effort?" Sounds important enough to ask, being 
> that you are searching for a different messaging app.
>  
> Donna
>  
>  
> 
> I was considering trying some different messaging apps since there is another 
> zero click effort going on.  These reportedly have protections against zero 
> click attacks and thought I'd ask here before going through the effort myself.
> 
>  
> 
> The apps are:
> 
>  
> 
> Threema
> 
> Telegram Messenger
> 
> Signal
> 
>  
> 
> Not sure about using Telegram Messenger because of its storing everything in 
> the cloud and I do not trust cloud storage very much though.
> 
>  
> 
> Any experiences appreciated.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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RE: has anyone tried these apps

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Sieghard

Yes fully understand that,

But when they get their data uncapped they shouldn’t have to worry about it.

And all their family have iPhones,
Although extended family there are 2 androids,

But still
Sms use bugger all data,

But hey it’s the younger generation,

They’re always finding something wrong.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, 23 July 2021 3:08 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps

Simon, your nieces are correct, if you use iMessage and send a message to 
another person who has an iOS device and has iMessage turned on or in other 
words if the message is sent as an iMessage and not an SMS or MMS then indeed 
mobile data is used. Of course if they use Instagram then they also use mobile 
data and probably a lot more than if they simply sent an iMessage especially if 
they first spend 5 minutes scrolling through everybody's latest posts and 
pictures.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 9:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps

Hey Sieghard

Thanks for that article,

Very interesting

I use iMessage by default as most people I message have iPhones.

But it’s interesting the mind set of some people,

My neaces wont use iMessage because they think it uses their mobile data so 
they have all turned it off and simply use sms on their iPhones, or they 
message friends using Instagram

The android folks is no way to get around things

But it’s interesting and yet concerning how these hackers / man in the middle 
type attacks are growing on / with mobile devices.

Cheers again for a great read.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2021 4:09 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps

Sorry, I accidently sent my previous message without providing the link to the 
article I referenced and cleaning up a few false starts, here is that link:

Why You Should Stop Sending SMS Messages—Even On Apple 
iMessage

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 4:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: has anyone tried these apps

Dan, What is the "zero click effort?" Sounds important enough to ask, being 
that you are searching for a different messaging app.

Donna




I was considering trying some different messaging apps since there is another 
zero click effort going on.  These reportedly have protections against zero 
click attacks and thought I'd ask here before going through the effort myself.



The apps are:



Threema

Telegram Messenger

Signal



Not sure about using Telegram Messenger because of its storing everything in 
the cloud and I do not trust cloud storage very much though.



Any experiences appreciated.





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RE: has anyone tried these apps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, any app which uses data will use WiFi first as long as it's available and 
iMessage is no difference.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 9:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: has anyone tried these apps

Just so I understand, if you use iMessaging when connected to WiFi, you are not 
using any mobile data. This would only be used when not connected to WiFi. Am I 
correct on this?
Marie


From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 8:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps

Simon, your nieces are correct, if you use iMessage and send a message to 
another person who has an iOS device and has iMessage turned on or in other 
words if the message is sent as an iMessage and not an SMS or MMS then indeed 
mobile data is used. Of course if they use Instagram then they also use mobile 
data and probably a lot more than if they simply sent an iMessage especially if 
they first spend 5 minutes scrolling through everybody's latest posts and 
pictures.


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 9:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps

Hey Sieghard

Thanks for that article,

Very interesting

I use iMessage by default as most people I message have iPhones.

But it’s interesting the mind set of some people,

My neaces wont use iMessage because they think it uses their mobile data so 
they have all turned it off and simply use sms on their iPhones, or they 
message friends using Instagram

The android folks is no way to get around things

But it’s interesting and yet concerning how these hackers / man in the middle 
type attacks are growing on / with mobile devices.

Cheers again for a great read.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2021 4:09 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps

Sorry, I accidently sent my previous message without providing the link to the 
article I referenced and cleaning up a few false starts, here is that link:

Why You Should Stop Sending SMS Messages—Even On Apple 
iMessage

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 4:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: has anyone tried these apps

Dan, What is the "zero click effort?" Sounds important enough to ask, being 
that you are searching for a different messaging app.

Donna




I was considering trying some different messaging apps since there is another 
zero click effort going on.  These reportedly have protections against zero 
click attacks and thought I'd ask here before going through the effort myself.



The apps are:



Threema

Telegram Messenger

Signal



Not sure about using Telegram Messenger because of its storing everything in 
the cloud and I do not trust cloud storage very much though.



Any experiences appreciated.





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Re: has anyone tried these apps

[Marie]

Just so I understand, if you use iMessaging when connected to WiFi, you are not 
using any mobile data. This would only be used when not connected to WiFi. Am I 
correct on this?
Marie


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 8:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps

Simon, your nieces are correct, if you use iMessage and send a message to 
another person who has an iOS device and has iMessage turned on or in other 
words if the message is sent as an iMessage and not an SMS or MMS then indeed 
mobile data is used. Of course if they use Instagram then they also use mobile 
data and probably a lot more than if they simply sent an iMessage especially if 
they first spend 5 minutes scrolling through everybody's latest posts and 
pictures.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 9:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps

 

Hey Sieghard

 

Thanks for that article,

 

Very interesting 

 

I use iMessage by default as most people I message have iPhones.

 

But it’s interesting the mind set of some people,

 

My neaces wont use iMessage because they think it uses their mobile data so 
they have all turned it off and simply use sms on their iPhones, or they 
message friends using Instagram

 

The android folks is no way to get around things 

 

But it’s interesting and yet concerning how these hackers / man in the middle 
type attacks are growing on / with mobile devices.

 

Cheers again for a great read.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2021 4:09 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps

 

Sorry, I accidently sent my previous message without providing the link to the 
article I referenced and cleaning up a few false starts, here is that link:

 

Why You Should Stop Sending SMS Messages—Even On Apple iMessage

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 4:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: has anyone tried these apps

 

Dan, What is the "zero click effort?" Sounds important enough to ask, being 
that you are searching for a different messaging app.

 

Donna

 

   

   

  I was considering trying some different messaging apps since there is another 
zero click effort going on.  These reportedly have protections against zero 
click attacks and thought I'd ask here before going through the effort myself.

   

  The apps are:

   

  Threema

  Telegram Messenger

  Signal

   

  Not sure about using Telegram Messenger because of its storing everything in 
the cloud and I do not trust cloud storage very much though.

   

  Any experiences appreciated.

   

   

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[Sieghard Weitzel]

Simon, your nieces are correct, if you use iMessage and send a message to 
another person who has an iOS device and has iMessage turned on or in other 
words if the message is sent as an iMessage and not an SMS or MMS then indeed 
mobile data is used. Of course if they use Instagram then they also use mobile 
data and probably a lot more than if they simply sent an iMessage especially if 
they first spend 5 minutes scrolling through everybody's latest posts and 
pictures.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 9:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps

Hey Sieghard

Thanks for that article,

Very interesting

I use iMessage by default as most people I message have iPhones.

But it’s interesting the mind set of some people,

My neaces wont use iMessage because they think it uses their mobile data so 
they have all turned it off and simply use sms on their iPhones, or they 
message friends using Instagram

The android folks is no way to get around things

But it’s interesting and yet concerning how these hackers / man in the middle 
type attacks are growing on / with mobile devices.

Cheers again for a great read.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2021 4:09 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps

Sorry, I accidently sent my previous message without providing the link to the 
article I referenced and cleaning up a few false starts, here is that link:

Why You Should Stop Sending SMS Messages—Even On Apple 
iMessage

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 4:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: has anyone tried these apps

Dan, What is the "zero click effort?" Sounds important enough to ask, being 
that you are searching for a different messaging app.

Donna




I was considering trying some different messaging apps since there is another 
zero click effort going on.  These reportedly have protections against zero 
click attacks and thought I'd ask here before going through the effort myself.



The apps are:



Threema

Telegram Messenger

Signal



Not sure about using Telegram Messenger because of its storing everything in 
the cloud and I do not trust cloud storage very much though.



Any experiences appreciated.





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Hey Sieghard

Thanks for that article,

Very interesting

I use iMessage by default as most people I message have iPhones.

But it’s interesting the mind set of some people,

My neaces wont use iMessage because they think it uses their mobile data so 
they have all turned it off and simply use sms on their iPhones, or they 
message friends using Instagram

The android folks is no way to get around things

But it’s interesting and yet concerning how these hackers / man in the middle 
type attacks are growing on / with mobile devices.

Cheers again for a great read.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2021 4:09 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: has anyone tried these apps

Sorry, I accidently sent my previous message without providing the link to the 
article I referenced and cleaning up a few false starts, here is that link:

Why You Should Stop Sending SMS Messages—Even On Apple 
iMessage

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 4:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: has anyone tried these apps

Dan, What is the "zero click effort?" Sounds important enough to ask, being 
that you are searching for a different messaging app.

Donna




I was considering trying some different messaging apps since there is another 
zero click effort going on.  These reportedly have protections against zero 
click attacks and thought I'd ask here before going through the effort myself.



The apps are:



Threema

Telegram Messenger

Signal



Not sure about using Telegram Messenger because of its storing everything in 
the cloud and I do not trust cloud storage very much though.



Any experiences appreciated.





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[PRAMIT BHARGAVA]

Hi Dan,

I have use both telegram and signal applications and both appear to be
accessible.
>From what I have read and heard signal has better privacy than telegram.


Pramit,
Founder - Louie Voice Control 
Louie Voice Control Website 


On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 4:06 PM Dan  wrote:

> I was considering trying some different messaging apps since there is
> another zero click effort going on.  These reportedly have protections
> against zero click attacks and thought I'd ask here before going through
> the effort myself.
>
>
> The apps are:
>
>
> Threema
>
> Telegram Messenger
>
> Signal
>
>
> Not sure about using Telegram Messenger because of its storing everything
> in the cloud and I do not trust cloud storage very much though.
>
>
> Any experiences appreciated.
>
>
>
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[Garry Turkington]

that the self-destructed
>> sent and received conversations in Telegram macOS were never actually
>> deleted.” Mishra found that audio and video attachments sent “secretly”
>> could be found on the same storage path as those sent by Telegram’s
>> default, not end-to-end encrypted, messages.
>> On normal messages, Mishra reports, “the application leaks the sandbox
>> path where the recorded message is stored.” Worryingly, though, “while
>> performing the same task under the secret chat option the
>> MediaResourceData(path://) URI was not leaked, but the recorded
>> audio/video message still gets stored on the [same] path.” There was a
>> much more serious issue, though, “a self-destructing message in the secret
>> chat option, gets stored even after the message
>> is self-destructed.” This is a security disaster.
>> Mishra also found that Telegram was storing locally held passcodes on
>> MacOS in plaintext. “In a local attack vector,” he told me, “any malicious
>> actor could utilise such sensitive information to bypass this control and
>> view end users chat. This is clearly a less serious issue but doesn’t
>> indicate a security first approach. Any potential Telegram endpoint
>> compromise has serious implications given access to the cloud storage—the
>> architecture supports instant multi-device access and always sync’d
>> messaging, that even allows for draft messages to be started on one device
>> and completed on another. But all that comes at a heavy price,
>> security-wise.
>> Mishra says that Telegram patched both these issues with version 7.4, and
>> paid him a bounty—the platform has not yet responded to my request for
>> comment.
>> The fact these issues have been disclosed and patched is beside the point.
>> The secret chat vulnerability is yet further evidence that switching from
>> WhatsApp to Telegram, with its lack of support for default end-to-end
>> encryption, is a bad idea. According to its founder Pavel Durov, “Telegram
>> became the most downloaded mobile app in the world in January 2021.” Where
>> those users are ditching WhatsApp’s end-to-end encryption for Telegram’s
>> cloud-based solution, this is a backward move.
>> Mishra says that “in the past, I've identified many other vulnerabilities
>> in Telegram, which leaks sensitive information even with e2ee secret chat
>> technology. The quality of Telegram’s e2ee can be improved.” And so, for
>> the tens of millions of WhatsApp users making or contemplating that
>> switch, the decision has suddenly become much easier—only Signal is the
>> genuinely better alternative. “Use Signal,” Mishra confirms, telling me
>> that “Signal redacts sensitive endpoints—sessionID, attachmentDownloads
>> etc—keeping all this in mind, Signal textsecure protocol is better than
>> Telegram and WhatsApp.”
>> As for those of you determined to stick with Telegram, Mishra advises you
>> to “delete all your ‘Cloud Drafts’ under ‘Privacy and Security’ and limit
>> your conversations.” In his view, “handling user privacy/data should not
>> be that hard. Telegram's security model has received multiple criticisms
>> by many cryptologists in the past.”
>> Putting this new report aside, you don’t need to rush to switch from
>> WhatsApp over this year’s privacy backlash—nothing material has changed.
>> As I’ve commented in recent weeks, you can run WhatsApp and Signal in
>> parallel, and as more of your contacts do the same, you’ll find yourself
>> using Signal ever more and WhatsApp ever less. And security- and
>> privacy-wise, that’s just fine.
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
>> Donna Casteen
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 4:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: has anyone tried these apps
>>
>> Dan, What is the "zero click effort?" Sounds important enough to ask,
>> being that you are searching for a different messaging app.
>>
>> Donna
>>
>>
>> 
>> I was considering trying some different messaging apps since there is
>> another zero click effort going on.  These reportedly have protections
>> against zero click attacks and thought I'd ask here before going through
>> the effort myself.
>>
>>
>>
>> The apps are:
>>
>>
>>
>> Threema
>>
>> Telegram Messenger
>>
>> Signal
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure about using Telegram Messenger because of its storing everything
>> in the cloud and I do not trust cl

Re: has anyone tried these apps

[Matthew Janusauskas]

> [same] path.” There was a much more serious issue, though, “a 
> self-destructing message in the secret chat option, gets stored even after 
> the message
> is self-destructed.” This is a security disaster.
> Mishra also found that Telegram was storing locally held passcodes on MacOS 
> in plaintext. “In a local attack vector,” he told me, “any malicious actor 
> could utilise such sensitive information to bypass this control and view end 
> users chat. This is clearly a less serious issue but doesn’t indicate a 
> security first approach. Any potential Telegram endpoint compromise has 
> serious implications given access to the cloud storage—the architecture 
> supports instant multi-device access and always sync’d messaging, that even 
> allows for draft messages to be started on one device and completed on 
> another. But all that comes at a heavy price, security-wise.
> Mishra says that Telegram patched both these issues with version 7.4, and 
> paid him a bounty—the platform has not yet responded to my request for 
> comment.
> The fact these issues have been disclosed and patched is beside the point. 
> The secret chat vulnerability is yet further evidence that switching from 
> WhatsApp to Telegram, with its lack of support for default end-to-end 
> encryption, is a bad idea. According to its founder Pavel Durov, “Telegram 
> became the most downloaded mobile app in the world in January 2021.” Where 
> those users are ditching WhatsApp’s end-to-end encryption for Telegram’s 
> cloud-based solution, this is a backward move.
> Mishra says that “in the past, I've identified many other vulnerabilities in 
> Telegram, which leaks sensitive information even with e2ee secret chat 
> technology. The quality of Telegram’s e2ee can be improved.” And so, for the 
> tens of millions of WhatsApp users making or contemplating that switch, the 
> decision has suddenly become much easier—only Signal is the genuinely better 
> alternative. “Use Signal,” Mishra confirms, telling me that “Signal redacts 
> sensitive endpoints—sessionID, attachmentDownloads etc—keeping all this in 
> mind, Signal textsecure protocol is better than Telegram and WhatsApp.”
> As for those of you determined to stick with Telegram, Mishra advises you to 
> “delete all your ‘Cloud Drafts’ under ‘Privacy and Security’ and limit your 
> conversations.” In his view, “handling user privacy/data should not be that 
> hard. Telegram's security model has received multiple criticisms by many 
> cryptologists in the past.”
> Putting this new report aside, you don’t need to rush to switch from WhatsApp 
> over this year’s privacy backlash—nothing material has changed. As I’ve 
> commented in recent weeks, you can run WhatsApp and Signal in parallel, and 
> as more of your contacts do the same, you’ll find yourself using Signal ever 
> more and WhatsApp ever less. And security- and privacy-wise, that’s just fine.
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Donna Casteen
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 4:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: has anyone tried these apps
>  
> Dan, What is the "zero click effort?" Sounds important enough to ask, being 
> that you are searching for a different messaging app.
>  
> Donna
>  
>  
>  
> I was considering trying some different messaging apps since there is another 
> zero click effort going on.  These reportedly have protections against zero 
> click attacks and thought I'd ask here before going through the effort myself.
> 
>  
> 
> The apps are:
> 
>  
> 
> Threema
> 
> Telegram Messenger
> 
> Signal
> 
>  
> 
> Not sure about using Telegram Messenger because of its storing everything in 
> the cloud and I do not trust cloud storage very much though.
> 
>  
> 
> Any experiences appreciated.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sorry, I accidently sent my previous message without providing the link to the 
article I referenced and cleaning up a few false starts, here is that link:

Why You Should Stop Sending SMS Messages—Even On Apple 
iMessage

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 4:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: has anyone tried these apps

Dan, What is the "zero click effort?" Sounds important enough to ask, being 
that you are searching for a different messaging app.

Donna




I was considering trying some different messaging apps since there is another 
zero click effort going on.  These reportedly have protections against zero 
click attacks and thought I'd ask here before going through the effort myself.



The apps are:



Threema

Telegram Messenger

Signal



Not sure about using Telegram Messenger because of its storing everything in 
the cloud and I do not trust cloud storage very much though.



Any experiences appreciated.





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[Sieghard Weitzel]

ity 
first approach. Any potential Telegram endpoint compromise has serious 
implications given access to the cloud storage—the architecture supports 
instant multi-device access and always sync’d messaging, that even allows for 
draft messages to be started on one device and completed on another. But all 
that comes at a heavy price, security-wise.
Mishra says that Telegram patched both these issues with version 7.4, and paid 
him a bounty—the platform has not yet responded to my request for comment.
The fact these issues have been disclosed and patched is beside the point. The 
secret chat vulnerability is yet further evidence that switching from WhatsApp 
to Telegram, with its lack of support for default end-to-end encryption, is a 
bad idea. According to its founder Pavel Durov, “Telegram became the most 
downloaded mobile app in the world in January 2021.” Where those users are 
ditching WhatsApp’s end-to-end encryption for Telegram’s cloud-based solution, 
this is a backward move.
Mishra says that “in the past, I've identified many other vulnerabilities in 
Telegram, which leaks sensitive information even with e2ee secret chat 
technology. The quality of Telegram’s e2ee can be improved.” And so, for the 
tens of millions of WhatsApp users making or contemplating that switch, the 
decision has suddenly become much easier—only Signal is the genuinely better 
alternative. “Use Signal,” Mishra confirms, telling me that “Signal redacts 
sensitive endpoints—sessionID, attachmentDownloads etc—keeping all this in 
mind, Signal textsecure protocol is better than Telegram and WhatsApp.”
As for those of you determined to stick with Telegram, Mishra advises you to 
“delete all your ‘Cloud Drafts’ under ‘Privacy and Security’ and limit your 
conversations.” In his view, “handling user privacy/data should not be that 
hard. Telegram's security model has received multiple criticisms by many 
cryptologists in the past.”
Putting this new report aside, you don’t need to rush to switch from WhatsApp 
over this year’s privacy backlash—nothing material has changed. As I’ve 
commented in recent weeks, you can run WhatsApp and Signal in parallel, and as 
more of your contacts do the same, you’ll find yourself using Signal ever more 
and WhatsApp ever less. And security- and privacy-wise, that’s just fine.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 4:54 AM
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Subject: Re: has anyone tried these apps

Dan, What is the "zero click effort?" Sounds important enough to ask, being 
that you are searching for a different messaging app.

Donna




I was considering trying some different messaging apps since there is another 
zero click effort going on.  These reportedly have protections against zero 
click attacks and thought I'd ask here before going through the effort myself.



The apps are:



Threema

Telegram Messenger

Signal



Not sure about using Telegram Messenger because of its storing everything in 
the cloud and I do not trust cloud storage very much though.



Any experiences appreciated.





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Re: has anyone tried these apps

[Mich Verrier]

Are use Telegram it does work I have not used signal or do I have it installed 
I haven’t heard or used of the first one you mentioned. From much

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2021, at 6:36 AM, Dan  wrote:
> 
> 
> I was considering trying some different messaging apps since there is another 
> zero click effort going on.  These reportedly have protections against zero 
> click attacks and thought I'd ask here before going through the effort myself.
> 
> 
> 
> The apps are:
> 
> 
> 
> Threema
> 
> Telegram Messenger
> 
> Signal
> 
> 
> 
> Not sure about using Telegram Messenger because of its storing everything in 
> the cloud and I do not trust cloud storage very much though.
> 
> 
> 
> Any experiences appreciated.
> 
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Re: has anyone tried these apps

[Donna Casteen]

Dan, What is the "zero click effort?" Sounds important enough to ask, being 
that you are searching for a different messaging app.

Donna

> 
> I was considering trying some different messaging apps since there is another 
> zero click effort going on.  These reportedly have protections against zero 
> click attacks and thought I'd ask here before going through the effort myself.
> 
> 
> 
> The apps are:
> 
> 
> 
> Threema
> 
> Telegram Messenger
> 
> Signal
> 
> 
> 
> Not sure about using Telegram Messenger because of its storing everything in 
> the cloud and I do not trust cloud storage very much though.
> 
> 
> 
> Any experiences appreciated.
> 
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has anyone tried these apps

[Dan]

  
  
I was considering trying some different
messaging apps since there is another zero click effort going
on.  These reportedly have protections against zero click
attacks and thought I'd ask here before going through the effort
myself.

  
The apps are:

  
Threema
Telegram Messenger
Signal


Not sure about using Telegram Messenger because of its storing
  everything in the cloud and I do not trust cloud storage very much
  though.



Any experiences appreciated.




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RE: Has any one tried the skall candy blue tooth head phones

[Noe Villeda]

How much are they?

I saw a link on Amazon and it listed them for $49 or so, it also had other 
links that included a wall charger and some other accessories.

I am definitely interested in these as a gift.

Can you use them while on the phone?

I have the Beats wireless headphones, which I like a lot.



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I have had them for 10 years now, they are fantastic and the battery is still 
in a very good condition!

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Yes I have and they work fantastic.



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Has any one tried the tile appp to keep track of there scull candy head phones

['adrian Leong' via VIPhone]

Has any one tried the tall app to keep track of there scull candy head phones . 
If they have what doo they think of it’s acessability?

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RE: Has any one tried the skall candy blue tooth head phones

[davycuppens]

I have had them for 10 years now, they are fantastic and the battery is still 
in a very good condition!

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Yes I have and they work fantastic.



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Re: Has any one tried the skall candy blue tooth head phones

[Scott Berry]

Yes I have and they work fantastic.



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Has any one tried the scall candy blue tooth head phones?

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Re: Has any one tried the skall candy blue tooth head phones

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I've got 2 pair of skull candy bluetooth headphones.  One pair is the
crusher headphones.  I got a great deal on these headphones.  "They
were originally $114, and on a black Friday deal they were only $80.
They are very nice headphones.  Good luck.

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Has any one tried the skall candy blue tooth head phones

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Has any one tried the scall candy blue tooth head phones?

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Has anyone tried to use givelify to support their church or charity?

[Duane Steele]

Hello iPhone Listers,

I normally use Zelle for sending money to others. However, my parish uses an 
APP called Givelify and i have downloaded it and can't make it work. Has anyone 
else tried this APP? Just wondering and didn't know where else to ask.


Peace & Blessings,
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RE: Any tried and tested accessible way to bypass the remote management?

[Simon A Fogarty]

What do you mean by 
By pass remote management?

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Hello All. 
has anybody ever tried to bypass  remote management on iphone? I understand it 
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Re: Has anyone tried this app?

[Richard Turner]

Well, I've used this app a ton and not had that issue.
The 5s may not have enough processing power since all the processing is done on 
the phone.
First, make sure you have cleared out your app switcher.
Then, press and hold the power button until it says power off.
Release the power button and press and hold the home button until VoiceOver 
comes back and you are back to the home screen.
This clears out the memory so you should have your maximum processing resources 
available.
If it still crashes after only a few pages, then delete the app and reinstall 
it.
If you still have this issue, write to Voice Dream support again and let us 
know too.
I'll see if I can resurrect an old 5s for testing.




Richard
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others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Jul 18, 2020, at 7:49 AM, Amirudin Abdullah  
wrote:

Hi,
to the person asking about voice dream scanner crash after taking few
pages, i also experience this. reported it but no respond.
specs: iphone 5s, ios 12 latest.
maybe that app is processing while we take the pictures so it crashes.


On 4/9/20, Dennis Long  wrote:
I agree it is way overpriced.  They are trying to make up development cost
in a year.  The days of people buying $100 apps for there phone are pretty
much gone I think.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 7:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Has anyone tried this app?



A little further on the Super Sense app.

I went ahead and tried the free trial.

I think they have good instructions that are voiced for a new user, but
between Seeing AI, which is free, and Voice Dream Scanner, for $5.99, you
can out perform this app in a heartbeat and not waste money.

The Quick View in Super Sense requires that you keep holding the camera over
the text until it is done reading, while Seeing AI Short text,   is easier
because once it is reading well, you can lay the phone down and it will read
everything it captured.

And since Voice Dream Scanner can add multiple pages to one document, I
don’t know why anyone would want Super Sense.



I’m open to finding out I missed something, but that is getting back to KNFb
Reader pricing and it just ain’t worth it.





Richard

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Oregon.





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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
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Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:53 PM
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Subject: Re: Has anyone tried this app?



Hmmm never heard of voice dream scanner, I have voice dream reader though,
will now have to buy voice dream scanner.

shirley

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 8:39 PM

Subject: RE: Has anyone tried this app?



After using Voice Dream Scanner, I’m personally not that interested in such
an expensive app.

If someone did a side by side comparison, that would be interesting.

Voice Dream Scanner does all the recognition on the device too, so no
internet needed, and it is only a one time cost of $5.99.







Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland,
Oregon.





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Read about this on AppleVis rather expensive but does a good job of OCR



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Re: Has anyone tried this app?

[Amirudin Abdullah]

Hi,
to the person asking about voice dream scanner crash after taking few
pages, i also experience this. reported it but no respond.
specs: iphone 5s, ios 12 latest.
maybe that app is processing while we take the pictures so it crashes.


On 4/9/20, Dennis Long  wrote:
> I agree it is way overpriced.  They are trying to make up development cost
> in a year.  The days of people buying $100 apps for there phone are pretty
> much gone I think.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 7:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Has anyone tried this app?
>
>
>
> A little further on the Super Sense app.
>
> I went ahead and tried the free trial.
>
> I think they have good instructions that are voiced for a new user, but
> between Seeing AI, which is free, and Voice Dream Scanner, for $5.99, you
> can out perform this app in a heartbeat and not waste money.
>
> The Quick View in Super Sense requires that you keep holding the camera over
> the text until it is done reading, while Seeing AI Short text,   is easier
> because once it is reading well, you can lay the phone down and it will read
> everything it captured.
>
> And since Voice Dream Scanner can add multiple pages to one document, I
> don’t know why anyone would want Super Sense.
>
>
>
> I’m open to finding out I missed something, but that is getting back to KNFb
> Reader pricing and it just ain’t worth it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland,
> Oregon.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Shirley Healy
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>
>
>
> Hmmm never heard of voice dream scanner, I have voice dream reader though,
> will now have to buy voice dream scanner.
>
> shirley
>
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>
> After using Voice Dream Scanner, I’m personally not that interested in such
> an expensive app.
>
> If someone did a side by side comparison, that would be interesting.
>
> Voice Dream Scanner does all the recognition on the device too, so no
> internet needed, and it is only a one time cost of $5.99.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland,
> Oregon.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Read about this on AppleVis rather expensive but does a good job of OCR
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RE: Has anyone tried this app?

[Dennis Long]

I agree it is way overpriced.  They are trying to make up development cost in a 
year.  The days of people buying $100 apps for there phone are pretty much gone 
I think.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 7:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Has anyone tried this app?

 

A little further on the Super Sense app.

I went ahead and tried the free trial.

I think they have good instructions that are voiced for a new user, but between 
Seeing AI, which is free, and Voice Dream Scanner, for $5.99, you can out 
perform this app in a heartbeat and not waste money.

The Quick View in Super Sense requires that you keep holding the camera over 
the text until it is done reading, while Seeing AI Short text,   is easier 
because once it is reading well, you can lay the phone down and it will read 
everything it captured.

And since Voice Dream Scanner can add multiple pages to one document, I don’t 
know why anyone would want Super Sense.

 

I’m open to finding out I missed something, but that is getting back to KNFb 
Reader pricing and it just ain’t worth it.

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

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Subject: Re: Has anyone tried this app?

 

Hmmm never heard of voice dream scanner, I have voice dream reader though, will 
now have to buy voice dream scanner.

shirley

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

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Subject: RE: Has anyone tried this app?

 

After using Voice Dream Scanner, I’m personally not that interested in such an 
expensive app.

If someone did a side by side comparison, that would be interesting.

Voice Dream Scanner does all the recognition on the device too, so no internet 
needed, and it is only a one time cost of $5.99.

 

 

 

Richard

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Read about this on AppleVis rather expensive but does a good job of OCR

 

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Voice Dream Scanner, was Re: Has anyone tried this app?

[Richard Turner]

I added to the subject line to try and stay clear what we are talking about.
I've not had the experience you are having with Voice Dream Scanner.
Are other apps closed?
Which phone do you have?
How much room is on the phone?
Since it doesn't use the web, it will need to store everything on the device 
initially.


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On Apr 7, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Kerry Macdonald  wrote:



Hello, I have this app and it is great and so is the voice dream reader. I have 
a question that I was wondering if anyone had the answer to though. When I am 
in the app and I have Scan anywhere between 5 to 10 pages the app keeps 
crashing and kicking me out of the app. I have uninstalled it closed and opened 
it and then all the usual things to help with this type of issue. Does anybody 
else have this issue or have any suggestions?


Kerry

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Hmmm never heard of voice dream scanner, I have voice dream reader though, will 
now have to buy voice dream scanner.
shirley
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After using Voice Dream Scanner, I’m personally not that interested in such an 
expensive app.
If someone did a side by side comparison, that would be interesting.
Voice Dream Scanner does all the recognition on the device too, so no internet 
needed, and it is only a one time cost of $5.99.



Richard
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Read about this on AppleVis rather expensive but does a good job of OCR

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Re: Has anyone tried this app?

[Kerry Macdonald]

Hello, I have this app and it is great and so is the voice dream reader. I have 
a question that I was wondering if anyone had the answer to though. When I am 
in the app and I have Scan anywhere between 5 to 10 pages the app keeps 
crashing and kicking me out of the app. I have uninstalled it closed and opened 
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Kerry

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> On Apr 6, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Shirley Healy  wrote:
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> Hmmm never heard of voice dream scanner, I have voice dream reader though, 
> will now have to buy voice dream scanner.
> shirley
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> After using Voice Dream Scanner, I’m personally not that interested in such 
> an expensive app.
> If someone did a side by side comparison, that would be interesting.
> Voice Dream Scanner does all the recognition on the device too, so no 
> internet needed, and it is only a one time cost of $5.99.
>  
>  
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> Richard
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RE: Has anyone tried this app?

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A little further on the Super Sense app.
I went ahead and tried the free trial.
I think they have good instructions that are voiced for a new user, but between 
Seeing AI, which is free, and Voice Dream Scanner, for $5.99, you can out 
perform this app in a heartbeat and not waste money.
The Quick View in Super Sense requires that you keep holding the camera over 
the text until it is done reading, while Seeing AI Short text,   is easier 
because once it is reading well, you can lay the phone down and it will read 
everything it captured.
And since Voice Dream Scanner can add multiple pages to one document, I don’t 
know why anyone would want Super Sense.

I’m open to finding out I missed something, but that is getting back to KNFb 
Reader pricing and it just ain’t worth it.


Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Healy
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:53 PM
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Hmmm never heard of voice dream scanner, I have voice dream reader though, will 
now have to buy voice dream scanner.
shirley
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Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 8:39 PM
Subject: RE: Has anyone tried this app?

After using Voice Dream Scanner, I’m personally not that interested in such an 
expensive app.
If someone did a side by side comparison, that would be interesting.
Voice Dream Scanner does all the recognition on the device too, so no internet 
needed, and it is only a one time cost of $5.99.



Richard
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Read about this on AppleVis rather expensive but does a good job of OCR

https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/supersense-ai/id1484547836<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fgb%2Fapp%2Fsupersense-ai%2Fid1484547836=02%7C01%7C%7Ca08ce959a91044a8870408d7da6c7cfb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637218031789659762=8mbFoM0V1eRS9jsMctGfLld4J%2FY5KJNu2iOBuN9CCPY%3D=0>
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Re: Has anyone tried this app?

[Dave]

Hi Shirley. It is an excellent app.

I have had it for quite a while now.

I think it may have been free, but don’t quote me on that.

But if not free, then it was very cheap.

Dave.


From: Shirley Healy 
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Hmmm never heard of voice dream scanner, I have voice dream reader though, will 
now have to buy voice dream scanner.
shirley
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  After using Voice Dream Scanner, I’m personally not that interested in such 
an expensive app.

  If someone did a side by side comparison, that would be interesting.

  Voice Dream Scanner does all the recognition on the device too, so no 
internet needed, and it is only a one time cost of $5.99.

   

   

   

  Richard

  "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

   

   

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  Read about this on AppleVis rather expensive but does a good job of OCR

   

  https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/supersense-ai/id1484547836

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Re: Has anyone tried this app?

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Hmmm never heard of voice dream scanner, I have voice dream reader though, will 
now have to buy voice dream scanner.
shirley
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  After using Voice Dream Scanner, I’m personally not that interested in such 
an expensive app.

  If someone did a side by side comparison, that would be interesting.

  Voice Dream Scanner does all the recognition on the device too, so no 
internet needed, and it is only a one time cost of $5.99.

   

   

   

  Richard

  "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

   

   

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  Read about this on AppleVis rather expensive but does a good job of OCR

   

  https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/supersense-ai/id1484547836

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RE: Has anyone tried this app?

[Richard Turner]

After using Voice Dream Scanner, I’m personally not that interested in such an 
expensive app.
If someone did a side by side comparison, that would be interesting.
Voice Dream Scanner does all the recognition on the device too, so no internet 
needed, and it is only a one time cost of $5.99.



Richard
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Read about this on AppleVis rather expensive but does a good job of OCR

https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/supersense-ai/id1484547836<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fgb%2Fapp%2Fsupersense-ai%2Fid1484547836=02%7C01%7C%7C8dcb05c5a80343f92b4108d7da42878a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637217851577328036=1WRM%2Bmj0abn1MNX3sN6sBQpqaU%2FXLJjeBdxt7MzpWJ4%3D=0>
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Has anyone tried this app?

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Read about this on AppleVis rather expensive but does a good job of OCR

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Re: Has Anyone Tried Using UMail to Stop Robo Calls?

[Richard Turner]

The service you are looking for isn't spelled u m a i l, it is y o u m a i l.
I have not used it, I just set the phone to silence unknown callers. But if you 
want to read the YouMail help page, here is the link:
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On Nov 25, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:

I heard on the news just now about a free app that is supposed to stop your 
getting robo calls to your phone and it is called UMail and it is free but I 
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I heard on the news just now about a free app that is supposed to stop your 
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Here's how Apple tried to sell me on the iPhone 8 - CNET

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CNET News - Friday, September 22, 2017 at 12:33 PM
Here's how Apple tried to sell me on the iPhone 8 - CNET
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Could the wily Apple store employees sell me? No, they could not.
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Outside, there was a trolley filled with croissants, pastries, fruit and
coffee.
It was 9:45 a.m. at my local Marin County, California, Apple store.
Why was there still so much food, when the store had opened at 8 a.m. for
the launch of the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus? 
"We had around 30 people when the doors opened," a store employee told me,
as he lingered at the door like a bouncer with no one to bounce.
By 9:45, it looked like any other Friday. A quiet one, even.
Still, I wasn't there for idle chitchat. I wanted to hold the new phone, and
see if I could be sold on it. Many assume that image, ads and Apple's famed
events do all the selling. Sometimes, though, retail staff can make all the
difference. The ability to reassure and nudge at the human level should
never be underestimated.
I've stuck with the iPhone 6 since it came out. The 7 was dull. Could one of
those wily Apple store employees sell me on the 8? 
I picked up the phones and, to my hand-brain continuum, they felt heavier.
I'm assuming it's because of the new glass back. The overall impression was
of a shinier version of my 6.
"Do you have any questions?" a pleasant voice suddenly said in my ear.
It was, indeed, a wily Apple store employee. 
"Should I get one of these 8s or wait for the X?" I asked, deliberately
pronouncing it "eks." 
"It depends on what you want," said the employee. 
"My therapist says that's one of my 99 problems," I wanted to reply. "I
never know what I want."
Instead, I showed her my 6 and said, "Look, I've been holding out. Why
should I get this 8?"
"If the camera is the most important thing to you, buy the 8. The X doesn't
have a better camera," she replied, deliberately pronouncing it "ten." 
I put my 6 next to the 8. "Yes, but doesn't this look just like my 6?" I
asked.
"Well, the 8 is going to be much faster."
"But they say that every time. And then they slow down within weeks."
"That's because you keep loading more things on them."
 
There wasn't a lot of action.
Chris Matyszczyk/CNET 
She knew me well. 
"So which one are you getting?"
Here, I expected a commercially motivated fib. I didn't get one.
"I'm waiting for the X," she admitted, deliberately pronouncing it "ten."
(The X's launch date is set for Nov. 3.)
"Have you seen it?"
"No, we don't get them until the night before."
She told me, however, that the augmented reality and the Face ID were the
aspects that excited her. And, I suspect, a phone that doesn't look like the
last three iPhones.
However, she had a job to do on this Friday. So she pulled out a Belkin
wireless charger to show me that the 8 could be charged wirelessly. It felt
almost half-hearted. After all, I was one of very few people at the large
table, looking at the phones.
By then, I just wasn't convinced. I'm still moved by looks. I'll never buy a
case. I want my phone to be, well, at least a little different.
I have a feeling she could tell. Especially as she then proudly started
showing off her new Apple Watch Series 3. I learned how many steps she'd
already done today.
I wondered whether, if I came back tomorrow, they would still have some
iPhone 8s. Just in case, you know, I changed my mind.
"Oh, yes. We'll have plenty," she said. "Apple sent us a lot this time." 
I wonder how long it will take to sell them.
Not once, though, did she try to sell me on price. She didn't try to compare
the relative cost of the 8 and the X at all ($699 vs. $999). 
"So you call the new phone the 'ten'?" I asked, deliberately giving her the
impression that the 8 isn't really a new phone. 
"We called it the 'eks' when we first saw it," she said. "But it's 'ten.'
There will be bigger lines for that one, all the way down to Nordstrom."
"Is that a good thing?"
"Apple's been trying to get people to preorder and pick up at specific
times," she said. "But I miss the lines."
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Re: Anyone tried the Envision Eli QR label reading system?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi Robin,
I do use the pen friend, and the sort of things it's useful for, which would 
also apply to this app plus Q are codes, would be to label, for example, 
containers in your freezer with information about what they contain. I also use 
a lot of spices in my kitchen, I decant them into little jars, so I labelled 
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hope this helps, Sandy

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> On 31 Jul 2017, at 02:00, R Van Lant <vanlant2...@msn.com> wrote:
> 
> I just finished an article in Dialogue magazine about an app called Envision 
> Eli for iOS and Android.  The app is free and the user purchases 100 QR 
> labels for $20 to record personal label tags.  Sounds much like a phone based 
> version of the Pen Friend.  I'm curious if anyone has tried this?  I recall 
> totally wanting a Pen Friend when I first heard about it years ago, but was 
> staved off by the cost.  This app sounds like a great option, but I'm kind of 
> curious to hear if anyone else has tried it or thinks something different is 
> a better options.
> 
> As a follow on question, I'm trying to think how I would use it.  It seems 
> I've heard of other apps that can read bar codes now, so I would imagine 
> reserving these QR labels for things that either don't have bar codes on them 
> or for  which I want to include a longer message - say cooking instructions.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Robin
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Re: Anyone tried the Envision Eli QR label reading system?

[pegkane52]

Hi,
The Eli InVision app, does not scan barcodes, you purchase labels, and record 
your own message.
I like the pen friend, because it has smaller labels if I am going to record 
them which works well for many spices.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Jul 31, 2017, at 11:05 PM, R Van Lant <vanlant2...@msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> Glad to hear you’ve had some good success, Peggy. 
>  
> Richard, I am on an iphone 6S.  I really haven’t used a bar code reader, 
> although I just found I have Digit Eyes on my phone and just downloaded 
> Seeing AI.  Till now, I have tended to use Tap Tap See to identify canned 
> goods.  On a podcast I just listened to from Mosen consulting, Jonathan Mosen 
> made it sound like Digit Eyes is fading away.  I do not recall if I bought 
> the app, which concerns me if it’s no longer being maintained.  In light of 
> the bar code reader in Seeing AI, maybe I won’t need Digit Eyes.  So many 
> choices and I just haven’t worked my way to learning them. 
>  
>  
>  
> i
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 7:08 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Envision Eli QR label reading system?
>  
>  
> I've not used this app, but many bar codes already contain cooking 
> instructions.
> What app are you using for bar codes now?
> Which device do you have?
> Richard
>  
> 
> On Jul 30, 2017, at 6:00 PM, R Van Lant <vanlant2...@msn.com> wrote:
> 
> I just finished an article in Dialogue magazine about an app called Envision 
> Eli for iOS and Android.  The app is free and the user purchases 100 QR 
> labels for $20 to record personal label tags.  Sounds much like a phone based 
> version of the Pen Friend.  I’m curious if anyone has tried this?  I recall 
> totally wanting a Pen Friend when I first heard about it years ago, but was 
> staved off by the cost.  This app sounds like a great option, but I’m kind of 
> curious to hear if anyone else has tried it or thinks something different is 
> a better options. 
>  
> As a follow on question, I’m trying to think how I would use it.  It seems 
> I’ve heard of other apps that can read bar codes now, so I would imagine 
> reserving these QR labels for things that either don’t have bar codes on them 
> or for  which I want to include a longer message – say cooking instructions.
>  
> Thoughts?
>  
> Robin
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RE: Anyone tried the Envision Eli QR label reading system?

[R Van Lant]

Hi,

Glad to hear you’ve had some good success, Peggy.

Richard, I am on an iphone 6S.  I really haven’t used a bar code reader, 
although I just found I have Digit Eyes on my phone and just downloaded Seeing 
AI.  Till now, I have tended to use Tap Tap See to identify canned goods.  On a 
podcast I just listened to from Mosen consulting, Jonathan Mosen made it sound 
like Digit Eyes is fading away.  I do not recall if I bought the app, which 
concerns me if it’s no longer being maintained.  In light of the bar code 
reader in Seeing AI, maybe I won’t need Digit Eyes.  So many choices and I just 
haven’t worked my way to learning them.



i


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 7:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Envision Eli QR label reading system?


I've not used this app, but many bar codes already contain cooking instructions.
What app are you using for bar codes now?
Which device do you have?
Richard


On Jul 30, 2017, at 6:00 PM, R Van Lant 
<vanlant2...@msn.com<mailto:vanlant2...@msn.com>> wrote:
I just finished an article in Dialogue magazine about an app called Envision 
Eli for iOS and Android.  The app is free and the user purchases 100 QR labels 
for $20 to record personal label tags.  Sounds much like a phone based version 
of the Pen Friend.  I’m curious if anyone has tried this?  I recall totally 
wanting a Pen Friend when I first heard about it years ago, but was staved off 
by the cost.  This app sounds like a great option, but I’m kind of curious to 
hear if anyone else has tried it or thinks something different is a better 
options.

As a follow on question, I’m trying to think how I would use it.  It seems I’ve 
heard of other apps that can read bar codes now, so I would imagine reserving 
these QR labels for things that either don’t have bar codes on them or for  
which I want to include a longer message – say cooking instructions.

Thoughts?

Robin
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Re: Anyone tried the Envision Eli QR label reading system?

[pegkane52]

Hi the app that you will talk to R talking about, will allow you to create your 
own labels. But I do not think it has been updated like I had stated in a prior 
email.
It does work.

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Jul 31, 2017, at 8:00 AM, Rick Justice <thegot...@twc.com> wrote:
> 
> I found their website less than informative, and support seemed to be 
> non-existent!
> I think anyone would be better served by Digit-Eyes, since it will read bar 
> codes and allow you to create your own labels.
> 
> HTH,
> Rick
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> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 9:00 PM
> Subject: Anyone tried the Envision Eli QR label reading system?
> 
> 
> I just finished an article in Dialogue magazine about an app called Envision 
> Eli for iOS and Android.  The app is free and the user purchases 100 QR 
> labels for $20 to record personal label tags.  Sounds much like a phone 
> based version of the Pen Friend.  I'm curious if anyone has tried this?  I 
> recall totally wanting a Pen Friend when I first heard about it years ago, 
> but was staved off by the cost.  This app sounds like a great option, but 
> I'm kind of curious to hear if anyone else has tried it or thinks something 
> different is a better options.
> 
> As a follow on question, I'm trying to think how I would use it.  It seems 
> I've heard of other apps that can read bar codes now, so I would imagine 
> reserving these QR labels for things that either don't have bar codes on 
> them or for  which I want to include a longer message - say cooking 
> instructions.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Robin
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Re: Anyone tried the Envision Eli QR label reading system?

[Rick Justice]

I found their website less than informative, and support seemed to be 
non-existent!
I think anyone would be better served by Digit-Eyes, since it will read bar 
codes and allow you to create your own labels.

HTH,
Rick
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To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 9:00 PM
Subject: Anyone tried the Envision Eli QR label reading system?


I just finished an article in Dialogue magazine about an app called Envision 
Eli for iOS and Android.  The app is free and the user purchases 100 QR 
labels for $20 to record personal label tags.  Sounds much like a phone 
based version of the Pen Friend.  I'm curious if anyone has tried this?  I 
recall totally wanting a Pen Friend when I first heard about it years ago, 
but was staved off by the cost.  This app sounds like a great option, but 
I'm kind of curious to hear if anyone else has tried it or thinks something 
different is a better options.

As a follow on question, I'm trying to think how I would use it.  It seems 
I've heard of other apps that can read bar codes now, so I would imagine 
reserving these QR labels for things that either don't have bar codes on 
them or for  which I want to include a longer message - say cooking 
instructions.

Thoughts?

Robin

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Re: Anyone tried the Envision Eli QR label reading system?

[pegkane52]

Hi,
I have use this app when working with students trying to find labels that are 
accessible for all of them. In the beginning we had to make sure that the 
microphone and camera broke both turned on. The labels or bigger than those 
that are used for the pen friend, it is usable and the fact that you you are 
using an iPhone to label might make it easier I don't believe that there are 
apps for laundry which there are for the pen friend. I am also not sure, if 
there have been any been any update for this app.
It is quite usable though.

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Jul 30, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I've not used this app, but many bar codes already contain cooking 
> instructions.
> What app are you using for bar codes now?
> Which device do you have?
> Richard
> 
> 
> On Jul 30, 2017, at 6:00 PM, R Van Lant <vanlant2...@msn.com> wrote:
> 
>> I just finished an article in Dialogue magazine about an app called Envision 
>> Eli for iOS and Android.  The app is free and the user purchases 100 QR 
>> labels for $20 to record personal label tags.  Sounds much like a phone 
>> based version of the Pen Friend.  I’m curious if anyone has tried this?  I 
>> recall totally wanting a Pen Friend when I first heard about it years ago, 
>> but was staved off by the cost.  This app sounds like a great option, but 
>> I’m kind of curious to hear if anyone else has tried it or thinks something 
>> different is a better options. 
>>  
>> As a follow on question, I’m trying to think how I would use it.  It seems 
>> I’ve heard of other apps that can read bar codes now, so I would imagine 
>> reserving these QR labels for things that either don’t have bar codes on 
>> them or for  which I want to include a longer message – say cooking 
>> instructions.
>>  
>> Thoughts?
>>  
>> Robin
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Re: Anyone tried the Envision Eli QR label reading system?

[Richard Turner]

I've not used this app, but many bar codes already contain cooking instructions.
What app are you using for bar codes now?
Which device do you have?
Richard


On Jul 30, 2017, at 6:00 PM, R Van Lant 
<vanlant2...@msn.com<mailto:vanlant2...@msn.com>> wrote:

I just finished an article in Dialogue magazine about an app called Envision 
Eli for iOS and Android.  The app is free and the user purchases 100 QR labels 
for $20 to record personal label tags.  Sounds much like a phone based version 
of the Pen Friend.  I’m curious if anyone has tried this?  I recall totally 
wanting a Pen Friend when I first heard about it years ago, but was staved off 
by the cost.  This app sounds like a great option, but I’m kind of curious to 
hear if anyone else has tried it or thinks something different is a better 
options.

As a follow on question, I’m trying to think how I would use it.  It seems I’ve 
heard of other apps that can read bar codes now, so I would imagine reserving 
these QR labels for things that either don’t have bar codes on them or for  
which I want to include a longer message – say cooking instructions.

Thoughts?

Robin

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Anyone tried the Envision Eli QR label reading system?

[R Van Lant]

I just finished an article in Dialogue magazine about an app called Envision 
Eli for iOS and Android.  The app is free and the user purchases 100 QR labels 
for $20 to record personal label tags.  Sounds much like a phone based version 
of the Pen Friend.  I'm curious if anyone has tried this?  I recall totally 
wanting a Pen Friend when I first heard about it years ago, but was staved off 
by the cost.  This app sounds like a great option, but I'm kind of curious to 
hear if anyone else has tried it or thinks something different is a better 
options.

As a follow on question, I'm trying to think how I would use it.  It seems I've 
heard of other apps that can read bar codes now, so I would imagine reserving 
these QR labels for things that either don't have bar codes on them or for  
which I want to include a longer message - say cooking instructions.

Thoughts?

Robin

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Re: tuning non concert pitch instruments, was, Re: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

[Daniel MacDonald]

hello,
garageBand for iOS is the only app I know of which is accessible and free.
Daniel
On 6/24/17, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Forgive me, but would like to parallel this question another way as it might
> help both of us...   is there a simple app that
> emulates a keyboard, a piano/organ keyboard, with an octave or so of tones
> and semis to play with to produce a tone of choice, in a
> voice of choice even. Do0n't want as much as a full instrument with backing
> and rhythm and any of that, just keyboard to find real
> notes.
>
> Thanks.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Daniel MacDonald" <daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 7:35 PM
> Subject: tuning non concert pitch instruments, was, Re: Has anyone tried
> these instrument tuning apps?
>
>
> hello,
> lots of great work has gone into tuning apps. their great, but I don't
> need them, as I have a rare gift (Perfect Pitch. it's great and useful
> when their isn't somebody with a tuner or a tuning app around, and
> instruments need to be tuned. the downside of perfect pitch is
> transposisionis diffacult  of non concert pitch instruments. is their
> an app that will teach me how to transpose non concert pitch
> instruments and help me to kind of rewire my brain for such
> transposisions? having perfect pitch, my brain is wireredfor
> instruments in the C scail. I find it diffaclute to transpose non
> concert pitch instruments like a saxaphone or a claranet, etc. any
> help is appreciated.
> Daniel MacDonald. skype: Daniel.angus.macdonald if anyone wants to add
> me and through a voice call this sort of conundrum might be sorted
> out.  On 6/22/17, Karen Poulakos <ka...@poulakos.com> wrote:
>> Are these accessible?  ClearTune and iStrobesoft
>>
>>
>>
>> I have used Talking Tuner for several years, but it does not register the
>> highest octave on my harp.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
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Re: tuning non concert pitch instruments, was, Re: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Forgive me, but would like to parallel this question another way as it might 
help both of us...   is there a simple app that 
emulates a keyboard, a piano/organ keyboard, with an octave or so of tones and 
semis to play with to produce a tone of choice, in a 
voice of choice even. Do0n't want as much as a full instrument with backing and 
rhythm and any of that, just keyboard to find real 
notes.

Thanks.
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To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 7:35 PM
Subject: tuning non concert pitch instruments, was, Re: Has anyone tried these 
instrument tuning apps?


hello,
lots of great work has gone into tuning apps. their great, but I don't
need them, as I have a rare gift (Perfect Pitch. it's great and useful
when their isn't somebody with a tuner or a tuning app around, and
instruments need to be tuned. the downside of perfect pitch is
transposisionis diffacult  of non concert pitch instruments. is their
an app that will teach me how to transpose non concert pitch
instruments and help me to kind of rewire my brain for such
transposisions? having perfect pitch, my brain is wireredfor
instruments in the C scail. I find it diffaclute to transpose non
concert pitch instruments like a saxaphone or a claranet, etc. any
help is appreciated.
Daniel MacDonald. skype: Daniel.angus.macdonald if anyone wants to add
me and through a voice call this sort of conundrum might be sorted
out.  On 6/22/17, Karen Poulakos <ka...@poulakos.com> wrote:
> Are these accessible?  ClearTune and iStrobesoft
>
>
>
> I have used Talking Tuner for several years, but it does not register the
> highest octave on my harp.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Karen P
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tuning non concert pitch instruments, was, Re: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

[Daniel MacDonald]

hello,
lots of great work has gone into tuning apps. their great, but I don't
need them, as I have a rare gift (Perfect Pitch. it's great and useful
when their isn't somebody with a tuner or a tuning app around, and
instruments need to be tuned. the downside of perfect pitch is
transposisionis diffacult  of non concert pitch instruments. is their
an app that will teach me how to transpose non concert pitch
instruments and help me to kind of rewire my brain for such
transposisions? having perfect pitch, my brain is wireredfor
instruments in the C scail. I find it diffaclute to transpose non
concert pitch instruments like a saxaphone or a claranet, etc. any
help is appreciated.
Daniel MacDonald. skype: Daniel.angus.macdonald if anyone wants to add
me and through a voice call this sort of conundrum might be sorted
out.  On 6/22/17, Karen Poulakos  wrote:
> Are these accessible?  ClearTune and iStrobesoft
>
>
>
> I have used Talking Tuner for several years, but it does not register the
> highest octave on my harp.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Karen P
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RE: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

[Karen Poulakos]

Check the sound levels.  There are 2 spots on the screen where it's really easy 
to change the sound level without realizing it, and it's sometimes difficult to 
get it back to where it needs to be.  It works best for me at 3.0.

It also doesn't work well if there is a lot of background noise.   

Karen P
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Karl Smith
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 11:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

I bought this tuner and although it works well for some reason it doesn't 
automatically speak the cents sharp or flat or in tune so I have to keep 
touching the screen. I have a friend with it and his talks automatically. 
Anyone know why this might be?

Karl

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Wayne Scott
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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A gn guitar tuning app is Talking Tuner.  It's a great one.  I use it to tune 
both my six and twelve string guitars.  I got it for 99 cents.

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To: <viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 06:39:43 -0500
Subject: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

Are these accessible?  ClearTune and iStrobesoft



I have used Talking Tuner for several years, but it does not register the 
highest octave on my harp.



Thanks.



Karen P

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RE: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

[Karl Smith]

I bought this tuner and although it works well for some reason it doesn't 
automatically speak the cents sharp or flat or in tune so I have to keep 
touching the screen. I have a friend with it and his talks automatically. 
Anyone know why this might be?

Karl

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Wayne Scott
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: re: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

A gn guitar tuning app is Talking Tuner.  It's a great one.  I use it to tune 
both my six and twelve string guitars.  I got it for 99 cents.

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To: <viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 06:39:43 -0500
Subject: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

Are these accessible?  ClearTune and iStrobesoft



I have used Talking Tuner for several years, but it does not register the 
highest octave on my harp.



Thanks.



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Re: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

[Wayne Scott]

With me being partially deaf, I find the Talking Tuner app great.  
It's slow at times to get it right, for me anyway, but it works.


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Subject: Re: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

Don't know about big harps,  but  us necked instrument players 
usually have the benefit of tuning one or two strings, then 
tuning
rest to those.  I admit, I'm not so good  at trying to tune  to a 
tone an octave or more  from the tone I need.  But some manage 
with

a single tuning fork, if you can still get one.

BobH.
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Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?


Yes.  I've found it to be pretty reliable for my 44 string pedal 
harp, other than the highest octave.




Karen P

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On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich

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Good morning Karen,

I’m trying to learn how to play the guitar, now for the 3rd 
time in my life and without sight.




Would that Talking Tuner you mentioned be good enough to help me 
in tuning my Stratocaster?




From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Karen Poulakos

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?



Are these accessible?  ClearTune and iStrobesoft



I have used Talking Tuner for several years, but it does not 
register the highest octave on my harp.




Thanks.



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RE: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

[Wayne Scott]

I can answer that one.  Yes it can.  I use it all of the time.

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Date sent: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 07:57:46 -0400
Subject: RE: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

Good morning Karen,

I’m trying to learn how to play the guitar, now for the 3rd 
time in my life and without sight.




Would that Talking Tuner you mentioned be good enough to help me 
in tuning my Stratocaster?




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Subject: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?



Are these accessible?  ClearTune and iStrobesoft



I have used Talking Tuner for several years, but it does not 
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Re: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

[Wayne Scott]

If have BARD, yes Bill Brown does.

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Date sent: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:52:10 +0100
Subject: Re: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

Yes, most of us use that.  I prefer a pitch pipe,  but they've 
gone out of production.


I'm a ukulele player really, they're even easier than a guitar, 
and have this reputation of being such fun, to play.  Can still 
get
a big sound from a much smaller instrument.  Get a bigger one 
like Tenor or Baritone.  Like any instrument, spend as much as 
you can,

it is seldom wasted, short of having been ripped off of course.

But agree with first question, I find Talking Tuner a bit of a 
drag at times, but it does do the job.  But there are simpler 
tuners

that are just tone generators to tune to.

I bet Bill Brown does a talk-through type guitar tutorial too, 
since he does so many others.


BobH.
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Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?


Good morning Karen,

I’m trying to learn how to play the guitar, now for the 3rd 
time in my life and without sight.




Would that Talking Tuner you mentioned be good enough to help me 
in tuning my Stratocaster?




From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Karen Poulakos

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?



Are these accessible?  ClearTune and iStrobesoft



I have used Talking Tuner for several years, but it does not 
register the highest octave on my harp.




Thanks.



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re: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

[Wayne Scott]

A gn guitar tuning app is Talking Tuner.  It's a great one.  I 
use it to tune both my six and twelve string guitars.  I got it 
for 99 cents.


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Subject: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

Are these accessible?  ClearTune and iStrobesoft



I have used Talking Tuner for several years, but it does not 
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RE: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

[Mike Ulrich]

Hi Bob and thanks for the advice, I do appreciate it!
I do have the series by Bill Brown and when I get the bug, that's what I listen 
to and hurt my fingertips! LOL!
That's my big problem, I always find excuses not to practice!
I've got a used cheap Strat that I bought locally off of Craig's List. Plus I 
bought a used Line 6 75 watt Spider Jam amp.
The amp is incredible, but it'd sure be nice if it were fully accessible. I 
would think all it would take would be a small bit of firmware, but what you 
gonna do? Maybe one day get all the blind electric guitar players together and  
keep contacting Line 6 and put the question to them?
"Hey, when are you going to make this great lineup of amps accessible for blind 
guitar players?"

OK, I'll get back to making my fingers bleed!


Thanks much and rock on!..Mike

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Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

Yes, most of us use that.  I prefer a pitch pipe,  but they've gone out of 
production.

I'm a ukulele player really, they're even easier than a guitar, and have this 
reputation of being such fun, to play.  Can still get a big sound from a much 
smaller instrument. Get a bigger one like Tenor or Baritone. Like any 
instrument, spend as much as you can, it is seldom wasted, short of having been 
ripped off of course.

But agree with first question, I find Talking Tuner a bit of a drag at times, 
but it does do the job.  But there are simpler tuners that are just tone 
generators to tune to.

I bet Bill Brown does a talk-through type guitar tutorial too, since he does so 
many others.

BobH.
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To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?


Good morning Karen,

I’m trying to learn how to play the guitar, now for the 3rd time in my life and 
without sight.



Would that Talking Tuner you mentioned be good enough to help me in tuning my 
Stratocaster?



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Karen Poulakos
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?



Are these accessible?  ClearTune and iStrobesoft



I have used Talking Tuner for several years, but it does not register the 
highest octave on my harp.



Thanks.



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Re: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Don't know about big harps,  but  us necked instrument players usually have the 
benefit of tuning one or two strings, then tuning 
rest to those. I admit, I'm not so good  at trying to tune  to a tone an octave 
or more  from the tone I need. But some manage with 
a single tuning fork, if you can still get one.

BobH.
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Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 1:07 PM
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Yes.  I've found it to be pretty reliable for my 44 string pedal harp, other 
than the highest octave.



Karen P

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 6:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?



Good morning Karen,

I’m trying to learn how to play the guitar, now for the 3rd time in my life and 
without sight.



Would that Talking Tuner you mentioned be good enough to help me in tuning my 
Stratocaster?



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Karen Poulakos
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?



Are these accessible?  ClearTune and iStrobesoft



I have used Talking Tuner for several years, but it does not register the 
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Re: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Yes, most of us use that.  I prefer a pitch pipe,  but they've gone out of 
production.

I'm a ukulele player really, they're even easier than a guitar, and have this 
reputation of being such fun, to play.  Can still get 
a big sound from a much smaller instrument. Get a bigger one like Tenor or 
Baritone. Like any instrument, spend as much as you can, 
it is seldom wasted, short of having been ripped off of course.

But agree with first question, I find Talking Tuner a bit of a drag at times, 
but it does do the job.  But there are simpler tuners 
that are just tone generators to tune to.

I bet Bill Brown does a talk-through type guitar tutorial too, since he does so 
many others.

BobH.
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Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?


Good morning Karen,

I’m trying to learn how to play the guitar, now for the 3rd time in my life and 
without sight.



Would that Talking Tuner you mentioned be good enough to help me in tuning my 
Stratocaster?



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Karen Poulakos
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?



Are these accessible?  ClearTune and iStrobesoft



I have used Talking Tuner for several years, but it does not register the 
highest octave on my harp.



Thanks.



Karen P

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RE: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

[Mike Ulrich]

And I’d bet that’s a pretty high octave.

Thanks for letting me know about this app, I’ll download it right now!

 

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Yes.  I've found it to be pretty reliable for my 44 string pedal harp, other 
than the highest octave.   

 

Karen P

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Subject: RE: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

 

Good morning Karen,

I’m trying to learn how to play the guitar, now for the 3rd time in my life and 
without sight.

 

Would that Talking Tuner you mentioned be good enough to help me in tuning my 
Stratocaster?

 

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Subject: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

 

Are these accessible?  ClearTune and iStrobesoft  

 

I have used Talking Tuner for several years, but it does not register the 
highest octave on my harp.

 

Thanks.

 

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RE: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

[Karen Poulakos]

Yes.  I've found it to be pretty reliable for my 44 string pedal harp, other 
than the highest octave.   

 

Karen P

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Subject: RE: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

 

Good morning Karen,

I’m trying to learn how to play the guitar, now for the 3rd time in my life and 
without sight.

 

Would that Talking Tuner you mentioned be good enough to help me in tuning my 
Stratocaster?

 

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Karen Poulakos
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Subject: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

 

Are these accessible?  ClearTune and iStrobesoft  

 

I have used Talking Tuner for several years, but it does not register the 
highest octave on my harp.

 

Thanks.

 

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RE: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

[Mike Ulrich]

Good morning Karen,

I’m trying to learn how to play the guitar, now for the 3rd time in my life and 
without sight.

 

Would that Talking Tuner you mentioned be good enough to help me in tuning my 
Stratocaster?

 

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Karen Poulakos
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Subject: Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

 

Are these accessible?  ClearTune and iStrobesoft  

 

I have used Talking Tuner for several years, but it does not register the 
highest octave on my harp.

 

Thanks.

 

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Has anyone tried these instrument tuning apps?

[Karen Poulakos]

Are these accessible?  ClearTune and iStrobesoft  

 

I have used Talking Tuner for several years, but it does not register the
highest octave on my harp.

 

Thanks.

 

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Re: ANYONE TRIED iMAZING 2

[1baby1...@gmail.com]

I've had iMazing for over a year now. I like it and find it very accessible. I 
don't use it a lot because I tend to back up over the air, but I'll try to 
answer any questions you have.

Lynette On Saturday, 8 October 2016 20:11:00 UTC-3, Carol Pearson  wrote:
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> 
> 
> I saw that iPhone Life was advertising the above and havfe the trial 
> version. Due to the limitations, I probably can't really decide how good 
> I think it is. I'm also a little stumped with a few things and haven't 
> really the time to dig into the hows and whys in order to get it going 
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> however be glad to know if anyone who has purchased is finding it 
> successful and, if so, if I might write you off list with a couple of 
> queries, please?
> 
> 
> Carol P - UK



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> 
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ANYONE TRIED iMAZING 2

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Hi there,


I saw that iPhone Life was advertising the above and havfe the trial 
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Has anyone tried the new Learning Ally app?

[Russ Kiehne]

I did and you can now add books to your bookshelf from within the app itself.  
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Learning Ally has a new app for its books, so far on iOS, coming for Android:  
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Re: Have any of you tried vorail yet

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Better try a different, and more reliable  source Deidre!  I have more than 
enough stuff to waste my time on already.  As wonderful as it may be, I think 
that, at least for the timebeing, I will give Vorial a miss!

   Jewel


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Hey Jewel, I downloaded the app. Give it a try and then you can teach me how to 
use it. The invisible puzzles things sounded quite interesting as well.

Deidre 



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  Is Vorial an app available from the App store?

   Jewel


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  It is a wonderful social networking ap that is all audio
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Re: Have any of you tried vorail yet

[Deidre Muccio]

Hey Jewel, I downloaded the app. Give it a try and then you can teach me how to 
use it. The invisible puzzles things sounded quite interesting as well.

Deidre


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>  Jewel
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Re: Have any of you tried vorail yet

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The link for vorail is
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RE: Have any of you tried vorail yet

[Afik Sofir]

Hello,

 

There is a podcast on AppleVis about Vorail. 

I'll send link soon.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Greg Wocher
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 1:52 PM
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Subject: Re: Have any of you tried vorail yet

 

Hello,

Yes its available from the app store. Just search for vorail and it should be 
the only app that shows up in the results. I have it downloaded but I don't 
have it set up yet. I am going to work on that this week.

 

Regards,

Greg Wocher

 

On 4/23/2016 10:05 PM, Jewel wrote:

Is Vorial an app available from the App store?

 

 Jewel

 

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Subject: Have any of you tried vorail yet

 

It is a wonderful social networking ap that is all audio

I hope some of you download it and join in the fun where you can ask questions  
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Re: Have any of you tried vorail yet

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,

Yes its available from the app store. Just search for vorail and it 
should be the only app that shows up in the results. I have it 
downloaded but I don't have it set up yet. I am going to work on that 
this week.



Regards,

Greg Wocher


On 4/23/2016 10:05 PM, Jewel wrote:

Is Vorial an app available from the App store?
 Jewel

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Re: Have any of you tried vorail yet

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Is Vorial an app available from the App store?

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Re: Have any of you tried vorail yet

[Hope Paulos]

It's an awesome app. Have corresponded with many nice people there. 

Hope Paulos

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Re: Have any of you tried vorail yet

[Andy Baracco]

It’s obvious that you like it. LOL!

Andy

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Re: Have any of you tried vorail yet

[Dave]

No, it was an Email from someone else. Yours came through fine!

Dave.

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You must not be seeing it
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RE: Have any of you tried vorail yet

[Jeremy Gilley]

yours wasnt, but anothers was.

 

  _  

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You must not be seeing it

it is a wonderful social networking ap called vorail a fun way to meet new
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Re: Have any of you tried vorail yet

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