Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine
Jo: 1. Go http://www.freepistonpower.com/fp3.aspx 2. Replace cylinder + head with Rohner engine parts. 3. Rohner Engineering make custom 100 kw model. 4. $12,800,000.00 5. Outsource work to CA engineering firm G. Cheap, Chung From: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, August 8, 2012, 10:09 PM I am asking what the missing piece is? Why don't I see a Papp engine being sold anywhere? It's been 30 years, right? When something is said to be real and is taking more than 30 years to commercialize; I don't know about you but that raises a few questions in my mind. The same criticism goes for Randal Mills and others. What is the holdup? Rossi is not taking more than 30 years so he has a bit more credibility. Can I buy a fully functional engine from Rohner right now? An engine that I can hook to my 2KW generator so that I can have free power? And yes, I did see your post but a kit is a far cry from a fully functional engine. Why doesn't he sell a fully functional engine? I am prepared to buy one now if he has one for sale even it it is not certified. Jojo PS. As for badmouthing Bambi, it is never a waste of time to correct the criminal actions of a usurper-in-chief. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Judging from the tone of your criticism of my badmouthing of bambi, that you think I am out of place and unfair to do so? - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine John Rehner has done the same thing that Robert Godes founder of Brillouin Energy has done; create a nanoeceond high power elecric pulse controller. Like any engine, timing is all important. With proper timing the engine will run will with little or no bad nuclear byproducts. What John Rehner wants to sell is his control boards, his freqency generator, and his spark controller. The cost of his engine in mass production is $300. It can be built mostly of plastic. Rohner is hoping the customers will buy his stuff rather than build the engine on their own. It is open source and not protected in any way since the patent is laped long ago. You saw may post on the kit Rohner sells, right... or were you too occupied in bad mouthing Obama (aka... a waste of time)? See http://www.rohnerengineering.com/pix/OurMBs.jpg Cheers: Axil On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Axil and others, What would it take to commercialize the Papp engine. In other words, what else is needed in terms of development that still needs to be done for the first commercial engine that I can buy from Lowe's. How much money would it take for it to become a real engine that can drive my generator. If it is not at this level, what else needs to be done. I'm pretty sure it is NOT just a matter of throwing money into it. I don't believe it is just a matter of raising funds for its development cause I can't believe that there isn't a millionaire out there who would not jump at the chance to fund this technology if it is real. There has got to be still some fundamental issue with it why it is still not a real engine. What is that issue? I am not familiar with Papp engine technology so I am asking anyone who can answer. Jojo - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine You response confuses me. Jouni said: Better, are you serious? Axil thinks: You state the Rossi's reactor is superior in concept. True? Journi said: This engine would immediately transform Earth Civilization into Star Trek age (by 2014 into Type I and by 2050 even into Type II civilization at Kardashev scale). With this engine, we could travel into Mars in just six days and into nearby stars in one generation. Axil states: IMO, this is possible. But do you still think that the Rossi reactor is better? Journi said: Although this is far better than any perpetual motion machine fancier has ever hoped for, I am a big fan of this thing. Not that I would not think that it is way too good to be true, but it feels just utterly good to take some vacations from reality and go Rohner's web pages and dream a little bit of fairy-tale world, where there are no scarcity from any material needs. Axil states: I take this statement as an full throated endorsement of the
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Now I remember... this website looks real familiar; I've seen it before. http://www.rohnerengineering.com/ This Rohner family is a real piece of work... can anyone shed some light on just who is right? Or since patents ran out, are they just trying to make the other look bad so they can get the business??? There are three Rohner's involved here, John, Tom and Bob. Apparently Bob and Tom had a disagreement with brother John, and split many years ago. And they have been feuding ever since! Tom passed away so it's now John vs Bob... Here is a doc claiming fraud at John's site: http://www.inteligentry.com/_files/Fraud1.pdf I've been involved in a number of startups that were also quite volatile, so this doesn't surprise me, but it makes it difficult to ascertain who's jivin' who... John has a patent, so does than make him the leader??? http://www.google.com/patents/US20110113772.pdf What we don't need is more drama... anybody have a drama vacuum cleaner? -Mark Iverson
RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy
From: Axil These guys don't write things down, they use videos and interviews to communicate, this makes research difficult. I was under the impression that the coil is always active and is not switched off and on. J Rohner uses, Scandium at the tip of his anode for some reason. He also uses four cathodes ( cut down spark plugs) at 110,000 volts each. He says they add up to 440,000 V total. I don't understand how this addition of voltage is figured. I hope Mike Carrell is listening in on this topic. He was an electrical engineer during his earlier career. With RCA, I believe. I wonder if Mike might be willing to add his own two-cents as to what is going on here. ...Perhaps more to the point, whether the amount of electrical energy being expended in the discharges, combined with the observed amount of mechanical energy displayed, in truth turns out to balance the energy equations in such a manner as to result in no actual O/U involved. I'm neither an electrical engineer nor a mechanical engineer. It's fascinating, nevertheless. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy
The device is a high energy gas particle collider creating quantum singularities (perceived as ball lightning) at the point of the high energy collisions. Since Hawking radiation emits the full spectrum of visible light, that is what they are seeing. On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:33 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: From: Axil ** ** These guys don't write things down, they use videos and interviews to communicate, this makes research difficult. I was under the impression that the coil is always active and is not switched off and on. J Rohner uses, Scandium at the tip of his anode for some reason. He also uses four cathodes ( cut down spark plugs) at 110,000 volts each. He says they add up to 440,000 V total. I don't understand how this addition of voltage is figured. I hope Mike Carrell is listening in on this topic. He was an electrical engineer during his earlier career. With RCA, I believe. ** ** I wonder if Mike might be willing to add his own two-cents as to what is going on here. ...Perhaps more to the point, whether the amount of electrical energy being expended in the discharges, combined with the observed amount of mechanical energy displayed, in truth turns out to balance the energy equations in such a manner as to result in no actual O/U involved. ** ** I’m neither an electrical engineer nor a mechanical engineer. It's fascinating, nevertheless. ** ** Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Addendum: The fact that Nobel gasses are involved really baffles me. My limited understanding of chemistry would suggest to me the fact that there shouldn't be any kind of reactive chemistry involved, period. other than ionic excitation such as what we see in neon signs. What the hell is causing what I assume has been accurately measured to be an unusually large amount of mechanical energy, an amount of mechanical energy that has yet to be explained by conventional physics. If McKubre is willing to be have his portrait taken in the accompanying videos, that tells me there must be something going on here really that needs to be taken seriously. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy
This is not chemistry. It is high energy particle quantum physics. I believe you can collide just about any gas particles and end up with a collapsed singularity if you add enough energy at point and time of collision. To minimize energy required, use a smaller vessel/voids(down to quantum sizes) and use a simple gas (such as Hydrogen) with just a proton and electron. Once you create the quantum singularity you are then playing with a nuclear furnace... On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:46 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Addendum: ** ** The fact that Nobel gasses are involved really baffles me. My limited understanding of chemistry would suggest to me the fact that there shouldn’t be any kind of reactive “chemistry” involved, period… other than ionic excitation such as what we see in neon signs. ** ** What the hell is causing what I assume has been “accurately” measured to be an unusually large amount of mechanical energy, an amount of mechanical energy that has yet to be explained by conventional physics. ** ** If McKubre is willing to be have his portrait taken in the accompanying videos, that tells me there must be something going on here really that needs to be taken seriously. ** ** Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks ** **
Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy
From: Chemical Engineer This is not chemistry. It is high energy particle quantum physics. I believe you can collide just about any gas particles and end up with a collapsed singularity if you add enough energy at point and time of collision. To minimize energy required, use a smaller vessel/voids(down to quantum sizes) and use a simple gas (such as Hydrogen) with just a proton and electron. Once you create the quantum singularity you are then playing with a nuclear furnace... Hi Chem, I need a refresher course in what is meant by the term quantum singularity. Can you offer up a reasonable description... or at least point me in the right direction? PS: I know Francis has also weighed in here with some interesting explanations involving the exploitation of precise geometry topology and casimir forces. Being graphically oriented, I find such perspectives interesting. I wonder if there is a tie-in with what Francis thinks is happening and what you think might be happening - involving quantum singularities. In any case, both explanations seem to be happening at the quantum level. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy
The gas atoms, instead of fusing or reacting chemically are colliding and collapsing into a point source due to high energy at the point of collision and the effect of quantum gravity (which is much larger) at the quantum level. This point source, or black hole radiates back to the surroundings the nuclear goo that universes are made of. The reason quantum gravity is much stronger at the quantum level is because there are thought to be about 11 or so dimensions of space all curled up there. That ball lightning is a quantum singularity(s) evaporating and radiating the full spectrum of Nuclear Goo which is powerful enough to create new universes. Fortunately in this case it evaporates very quickly, primarily releasing radiation that shows up as heat. I just hope that the reason we have not found other intelligent life is that they all got their hands on a quantum singularity engine at some point and stepped on the throttle too hard... On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Chemical Engineer This is not chemistry. It is high energy particle quantum physics. I believe you can collide just about any gas particles and end up with a collapsed singularity if you add enough energy at point and time of collision. To minimize energy required, use a smaller vessel/voids(down to quantum sizes) and use a simple gas (such as Hydrogen) with just a proton and electron. Once you create the quantum singularity you are then playing with a nuclear furnace... Hi Chem, I need a refresher course in what is meant by the term quantum singularity. Can you offer up a reasonable description... or at least point me in the right direction? PS: I know Francis has also weighed in here with some interesting explanations involving the exploitation of precise geometry topology and casimir forces. Being graphically oriented, I find such perspectives interesting. I wonder if there is a tie-in with what Francis thinks is happening and what you think might be happening - involving quantum singularities. In any case, both explanations seem to be happening at the quantum level. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:User contributed video from NIWeek 2012 - Celani's demo
Hello group, Watch this! This is not an official video from NI's Youtube channel: http://goo.gl/UEuCK NIWEEK 2012 - LENR - eCAT - Anomalous Heat Effect demonstrated August 7, 2012 - Austin, Texas - National Instruments NIWEEK 2012 - Francesco shows me the Anomalous Heat Effect from what is believed to be a Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR). This is the work of the Italian team of Andrea Rossi which I heard about last year, called the eCat (energy catalyzer) at one point. This is absolutely fantastic, as the implications of this little understood phenomena are a SEA CHANGE to the hope for applications of CLEAN and CHEAP ENERGY. The heat effect is believed to be the same as seen by others, such as Fleischmann and Pons in 1989, called Cold Fusion at the time. This is REAL folks, and (hopefully) it will change the world. National Instruments CEO Dr. James Truchard made this a part of his opening Keynote Presentation at the annual conference called NIWEEK 2012. I am extremely excited to see this making progress, and it has the power to change the world as we know it! I will be posting more, such as the Panel discussion with Physics ! and Engi neering luminaries who have witnessed this effect in other situations in the past. Read more at http://lenr-canr.org/ Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy
The current Wikipedia article, which has been stable for at least a few weeks, seems quite good. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Natural-born-citizen_clauseoldid=503057261 Jojo is stating his personal or collective opinion as if it were established fact. From the article, from the Congressional Research Service: The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term natural born citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship by birth or at birth, either by being born in the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship at birth. Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an alien required to go through the legal process of naturalization to become a U.S. citizen.[1] There is no contrary legal authority of any weight. Attempting to challenge the Presidency through this means is almost certainly doomed. To accomplish it with Obama, a whole series of hurdles must be cleared. 1. Establish that the Hawaii Birth Certificate is fraudulent. A series of speculative how comes won't cut it. Mere mystery won't cut it. That birth certificate establishes the legal situation, until and unless it is *proven* to be fraudulent. Tough road to hoe. But people who generate lots of hot air can sometimes convince others, especially those looking for a reason to dump Obama, who makes some people uncomfortable. Maybe it's the cologne he uses. Nah, they haven't gotten that close to him (fortunately). Must be something about the way he looks. Or it's that he's a SOCIALIST COMMUNIST PINKO MUSLIM. Yeah, Muslim. That's it. Wants to force decent American women to wear those tents, even if it's hot. He just pretended to have Bin Laden taken out, Bin Laden has been taken to a Safe Place. Probably Area 51. Yeah, that's it. Desert. Bin Laden would love it there. 2. Show, in a binding legal process, that Obama was born outside the United States to non-citizens. The most solid interpretation of the law, though it hasn't been tested, to my knowledge, is that if a person has the *birthright* to citizenship, they are natural-born. I.e., citizens by right of birth. So if his mother is a citizen, if he can establish and obtain proof of citizenship, such as a passport or other document, simply by showing the fact of birth as it was, he's a natural-born citizen. 3. Then it would probably take one of two things to accomplish the nullification of the election. The first would be Supreme Court action. Note that even if it were found that Obama had been ineligible, the Court could easily decide that the time to challenge this would have been before Congress ratified and accepted the result of the election. The other procedure would be through impeachment, though being a victim of a fraudulent birth certification, unless Obama were shown to be complicit, is not a high crime and misdemeanor. Still, Congress could decide. 4. And, if you jump through all these hoops, you end up with Biden as President, or whoever is VP at the time. You really want to waste your time and our time with this? Why? See above. Probably Muslim. I wish. But he's not, not formally. Informally, well, I know a Christian apologist, very active defending the faith, who happens to know what muslim means and who says, at least privately, Of course I'm muslim. I have two children who are citizens by right of parentage, but not of birth, because they were not born to me and my ex-wife, they were born in China and Africa, to non-citizen parents. They became citizens, by law, upon entry into the U.S. in our custody as adoptive parents. They would not be eligible to become President of the U.S., under the Constitution as it stands. However, suppose I travel with my wife, we are both citizens, and she unexpectedly gives birth, outside the U.S. Or even expectedly. In a country which grants citizenship by location of birth. We come back to the U.S. Our child will be easily admitted, there would be, at most, some paperwork. There is no naturalization process in this case. There is not an action that establishes citizenship after the fact of birth. In the Obama case, *if the birth certificate is fraudulent* and Obama was born outside the United States, he might still be a natural-born U.S. citizen if he acquired citizenhip by right of birth rather than by naturalization, as would appear to be routine under the circumstances of Obama's parentage. A smokescreen argument is raised about dual citizenship. A natural-born citizen may also have the right to citizenship in another country, that would not establish a constitutional violation. A choice made at 21 could not affect whether or not a person is a
Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy
Steven, I suspect that nobel gasses are used for the reason that they can be ionized relatively easily and yet do not enter into chemical structures when they cool. It is a good question that you ask about the mechanical force generation. My first thought is that it is due to the heating of the gasses which results in additional pressure, but there are problems with that explanation. One might ask why there is no degradation to the piston and end cap of the device since the magnetic field from the coil would be axial and most likely would not restrict plasma from going out the ends. I suppose that a time changing field, if that is what they are doing, might induce currents into the conductive piston end and cap which would have some influence upon the plasma, but I am not sure this would eliminate the contact problems. At this point in my understanding, I am not sure the entire thing is not an April fools joke. Can anyone be sure that a truly independent test has been conducted which proves the performance? If this device is for real, it is quite interesting. Dave -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 8:46 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy Addendum: The fact that Nobel gasses are involved really baffles me. My limited understanding of chemistry would suggest to me the fact that there shouldn’t be any kind of reactive “chemistry” involved, period… other than ionic excitation such as what we see in neon signs. What the hell is causing what I assume has been “accurately” measured to be an unusually large amount of mechanical energy, an amount of mechanical energy that has yet to be explained by conventional physics. If McKubre is willing to be have his portrait taken in the accompanying videos, that tells me there must be something going on here really that needs to be taken seriously. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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It seems to me that if the ions are colliding with such energies, fusion should occur first before you can even approach the energies needed to form a singularity. In the Tokamak, the ions are colliding so energetically that it fuses, but a singularity is never formed. Your theory needs to explain why the fusion process is skipped in favor of a more difficult process of forming a singularity. I don't believe you can form a singularity by just colliding ions no matter how hard, unless of course you approach LHC energies. Are you claiming that energies within a lattice can approach the energies in the LHC? But I am willing to be wrong. Do you have the math to show why a singularity is formed instead of the relatively easier process of direct fusion first? If so, please share. Jojo - Original Message - From: Chemical Engineer To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy The gas atoms, instead of fusing or reacting chemically are colliding and collapsing into a point source due to high energy at the point of collision and the effect of quantum gravity (which is much larger) at the quantum level. This point source, or black hole radiates back to the surroundings the nuclear goo that universes are made of. The reason quantum gravity is much stronger at the quantum level is because there are thought to be about 11 or so dimensions of space all curled up there. That ball lightning is a quantum singularity(s) evaporating and radiating the full spectrum of Nuclear Goo which is powerful enough to create new universes. Fortunately in this case it evaporates very quickly, primarily releasing radiation that shows up as heat. I just hope that the reason we have not found other intelligent life is that they all got their hands on a quantum singularity engine at some point and stepped on the throttle too hard... On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Chemical Engineer This is not chemistry. It is high energy particle quantum physics. I believe you can collide just about any gas particles and end up with a collapsed singularity if you add enough energy at point and time of collision. To minimize energy required, use a smaller vessel/voids(down to quantum sizes) and use a simple gas (such as Hydrogen) with just a proton and electron. Once you create the quantum singularity you are then playing with a nuclear furnace... Hi Chem, I need a refresher course in what is meant by the term quantum singularity. Can you offer up a reasonable description... or at least point me in the right direction? PS: I know Francis has also weighed in here with some interesting explanations involving the exploitation of precise geometry topology and casimir forces. Being graphically oriented, I find such perspectives interesting. I wonder if there is a tie-in with what Francis thinks is happening and what you think might be happening - involving quantum singularities. In any case, both explanations seem to be happening at the quantum level. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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You appear to favor quantum singularities. What evidence do you have that they are real? I am not aware that anyone has proven that they exist, and this would be a great time for you to point out some sources of information. I think we should also give consideration to standard physics as we seek an explanation. First, we need to be sure that this thing is real. Dave -Original Message- From: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 8:56 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy This is not chemistry. It is high energy particle quantum physics. I believe you can collide just about any gas particles and end up with a collapsed singularity if you add enough energy at point and time of collision. To minimize energy required, use a smaller vessel/voids(down to quantum sizes) and use a simple gas (such as Hydrogen) with just a proton and electron. Once you create the quantum singularity you are then playing with a nuclear furnace... On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:46 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Addendum: The fact that Nobel gasses are involved really baffles me. My limited understanding of chemistry would suggest to me the fact that there shouldn’t be any kind of reactive “chemistry” involved, period… other than ionic excitation such as what we see in neon signs. What the hell is causing what I assume has been “accurately” measured to be an unusually large amount of mechanical energy, an amount of mechanical energy that has yet to be explained by conventional physics. If McKubre is willing to be have his portrait taken in the accompanying videos, that tells me there must be something going on here really that needs to be taken seriously. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Thanks for the layman's explanation, Chem. I think I actually understood much of what you were trying to describe. Having performed numerous computer simulations that loosely involve the rules attributed to celestial mechanics I have on occasion experimented with incorporating additional powers (i.e. dimensions) into the algorithms. For example, I've incorporated cube powers and 4th powers into some of my computer simulations. The results are interesting. Occasionally unexpected... wildly unexpected! I hope to present some of what I have uncovered before the end of the year over on my OrionWorks website - that is if I can get around to the arduous task of completely overhauling it. I'm in the middle of that mess right now. Regarding your concern as to why we have not yet found other intelligent life in the Universe. As Arthur Clark once quipped, and I'm paraphrasing here: Quasars are nothing more than industrial accidents. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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It's long overdue that someone with a few brain cells a spine, and is fully supported by *individualism* and/or *Real* people who believe in *not* living elbow to elbow like pack rats,,, make an real earnest effort to *revise* policies and/or * Laws* regarding the influx of people that (don't) think the only way to a successful future is to breed in overwhelming numbers. Plus, the only way we can protect what we have from being completely destroyed and/or devoured will require *us* of whom tend to legally rightfully occupy a Country, to be vigilent in keeping a relatively sharp eye out *before* the enmassing hoard is successful. If we don't, then we can soon look forward to an inevitable collapse of all that we now take for granted I don't think most of you want to find out first-hand what it's like to be eaten alive... but actually, now that I think about it, I've soemtimes wondered what different people thruout the world might taste like, if say, one might taste like chicken and maybe another like beef or pork?. Its just a thought, but maybe we need to start preparing for a change in our diets,,, and at the same time, saving the animals. I mean afterall, they've been treated very poorly, like *things* instead of living creatures in many of the populated areas of various so-called Countries. So, just a reminder... you are measured by how you tr(eat) your animals, otherwise you may just be one yourself. I thought that since his mother was an American citizen then he automatically was. Is this not the way it pans out? Does the location of birth outside of the USA make one a non citizen? Dave /HTML
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Despite your long long long essay; as usual, you failed to understand the issue correctly. The opinion you proffered below appeared to me to be from Wikipedia, and so I checked, and low and behold, you simply regurgitated the fine fine fine scholarship of wikipedia. No wonder you're confused. First, Congress is not tasked to intrepret the Constitution. It is not in their power to do so, and not their duty and obligation to do so. When Congress does make a pronouncement regarding any matter of interpretation of law, their pronouncement is simply an opinion and does not carry the weight as precedent. Unlike with the Judicial branch, whose decisions become precedent and law. We need to go to the Courts to determine the proper meaning and interpretation of the law. You can bitch all you want and show all you want that Congress has made that determination and your opinion means squat. In Shanks v. Dupont, Minor vs. Happersett, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, just to name a few cases; the Courts (including the Supreme Court) ruled that a Natural Born US Citizen is one born out of 2 US citizen parents and born in the land of their Parent's citizenship; that is, US soil. If one parent were a non-citizen, it is clear that the child has to take action at his 21st birthday to gain US Citizenship. His citizenship status before turning 21 is in Limbo. Hence, he is not considered to be a Natural Born US Citizen. You can obfuscate all you want; it is clear bambi is a usurper of Power that he is not qualified to assume. As for your other nonsensical opinions, it is clear that actions were taken to contest bambi's status even before the elections. Justice was denied and bambi assumed power. Even now, all court cases are denied on mere technicality. If peaceful resolution is not allowed by the Shadow Government Kabbal, a 2nd American Revolution is needed to throw off this corrupt and oppressive kabbal. Mark my words, Americans are a peace loving people, but they will not put up with this trampling of the Constitution for long. 70% of Americans believe that Bambi should come clean and present his real Vault Birth Certificate. It puzzles me why he is unwilling to do so. And all your BS arguments will not overcome this fact. Jojo PS. And by the way, Snoopes and Factcheck are not the entities tasked to authenticate official documents. LOL And I did not even know bambi was a muslim until after the election. I opposed him because he is unqualified. Period. Any pathetic attempt on your part to make this about race or religion is frankly idiotic. - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy The current Wikipedia article, which has been stable for at least a few weeks, seems quite good. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Natural-born-citizen_clauseoldid=503057261 Jojo is stating his personal or collective opinion as if it were established fact. From the article, from the Congressional Research Service: The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term natural born citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship by birth or at birth, either by being born in the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship at birth. Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an alien required to go through the legal process of naturalization to become a U.S. citizen.[1] There is no contrary legal authority of any weight. Attempting to challenge the Presidency through this means is almost certainly doomed. To accomplish it with Obama, a whole series of hurdles must be cleared. 1. Establish that the Hawaii Birth Certificate is fraudulent. A series of speculative how comes won't cut it. Mere mystery won't cut it. That birth certificate establishes the legal situation, until and unless it is *proven* to be fraudulent. Tough road to hoe. But people who generate lots of hot air can sometimes convince others, especially those looking for a reason to dump Obama, who makes some people uncomfortable. Maybe it's the cologne he uses. Nah, they haven't gotten that close to him (fortunately). Must be something about the way he looks. Or it's that he's a SOCIALIST COMMUNIST PINKO MUSLIM. Yeah, Muslim. That's it. Wants to force decent American women to wear those tents, even if it's hot. He just pretended to have Bin Laden taken out, Bin Laden has been taken to a Safe Place. Probably Area 51. Yeah, that's it. Desert. Bin Laden would love it there. 2. Show, in a binding legal process, that Obama was
Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy
Bambi's mother was a US citizen, although by the laws during that time, she was too young to confer US citizenship to bambi. But even if she could, that would only make Bambi a mere US citizen; not a Natural Born US Citizen. Many people are unaware of this salient requirement. To them a US citizen is qualified automatically to be POTUS. That is not what the Constitution says: In order for one to be qualifed, one needs to be a Natural Born US Citizen. Natural Born US Citizenship has a specific technical definition under our laws. You just can't make up your own rules and declare bambi to be Natural Born US citizen based on your opinion. The Shadow Government Kabbal is counting on the fact that Americans are either dumb or apathetic. They just don't know or they just don't care. Well, they just underestimated Americans, cause 70% are demanding that bambi comes clean and present his real Vault Birth Certificate. Jojo - Original Message - From: lorenhe...@aol.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy I thought that since his mother was an American citizen then he automatically was. Is this not the way it pans out? Does the location of birth outside of the USA make one a non citizen? Dave /HTML
Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy
Well, Now that I have thought about it some more, if you look out into space and see millions of galaxies rotating around singularities, within that singularity is probably the last civilization in that part of the universe that had a Quantum Singularity device operated by Rossi... I hope that I am wrong. On Thursday, August 9, 2012, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Thanks for the layman's explanation, Chem. I think I actually understood much of what you were trying to describe. Having performed numerous computer simulations that loosely involve the rules attributed to celestial mechanics I have on occasion experimented with incorporating additional powers (i.e. dimensions) into the algorithms. For example, I've incorporated cube powers and 4th powers into some of my computer simulations. The results are interesting. Occasionally unexpected... wildly unexpected! I hope to present some of what I have uncovered before the end of the year over on my OrionWorks website - that is if I can get around to the arduous task of completely overhauling it. I'm in the middle of that mess right now. Regarding your concern as to why we have not yet found other intelligent life in the Universe. As Arthur Clark once quipped, and I'm paraphrasing here: Quasars are nothing more than industrial accidents. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Communicating cold fusion needs more than words
On 8/8/12 10:25 AM, Ruby wrote: Despite the massive typing that goes on each day, words are not the dominant form of communication. Words are too puny compared to the huge networks that move data on a planetary-scale. It is macroscopic gesticulation. How is this for an example of macroscopic gesticulation: http://now.jit.su/ Holy moly. This visibly shows the ambient environment of AI global-brain that we are operating in unbeknownst. It almost makes me want to give up advocating; how can any message survive this data tsunami? -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org mailto:r...@coldfusionnow.org United States 1-707-616-4894 Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy
There are many questions about Obama's past. It is an indisputable fact that the Long Form Birth Certificate posted on the whitehouse.gov web site manipulated in photoshop. The moron who created the PDF forgot to flatten all of the layers, so that anyone could go in an move important parts of the document around, including the registrar's stamp. What parts of the document are accurate, and why was it altered at all? The state of HI uses a number of weasel words to say he was born here without backing it up with an actual document. A number of explanations are possible-- when Obama was adopted by his Indonesian father, the birth certificate may have been modified or altered, as is often the case with adoptions. The actual BC may have been lost or destroyed. I personally doubt Obama was born in Kenya, but Obama is hiding something, or playing a strange game with millions of taxpayer and campaign dollars. There have been dozens of lawsuits claiming he may be ineligible that could be resolved (perhaps) with the presentation of a birth certificate. All fail due to lack of standing but still require hundreds of hours of court work. A US military doctor had questions and tried to assure himself that Obama was constitutionally eligible to hold office and ended up in Leavenworth... Poor judgement on his part, but again, easily solved had Obama not played hide-and-seek with his records. Of course, Jojo makes a good point that having dual citizenship at birth would make someone ineligible as Natural Born Citizen, which might explain O's reluctance to enter evidence into a court. The constitution was written so that the president could not be a commander from an invading country or have divided loyalties. As this author points out, the biggest question is Obama's story of attending Occidental where he was a self-admitted pot-smoking bad student.. how did he get in? Why does nobody remember him? Who paid for his college? Was he enrolled as a foreigner? What were his grades? http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama%E2%80%99s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/ Jed is not the only one who thinks that anyone who doesn't fawn over Obama is a racist. Let me remind everyone about how most conservatives also didn't like Carter, Clinton, and many were not fond of GW. We are equal opportunity bashers of inept leadership and are quick to eat our own. But Obama does have a long and sordid past with communists (Bill Ayres, Frank Marshal Davis) and was ranked the most liberal Senator. He is aligned with the Democratic Socialists of America and their offshoot, the New Party. This video is interesting, even if only some of the facts presented are true.. (The title is bogus, the tone silly, and it was created by an individual, rather than the media, who failed to vet him...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y And a related one about the influential father figures in Obama's life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOmzTLdr_m4 According to the odds makers, Obama will win the election easily. According to most polls, Obama is trailing slightly in the swing states. Trying to determine truth from fiction in Obama's narrative should be the job of the press and anyone who is interested in presidential history. But when valid concerns and uncomfortable facts are raised, the press is the first to scream dog whistle racism.. May we live in interesting times... - Brad
RE: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy
At 01:28 PM 8/8/2012, Ron Wormus wrote: As far as I know a child born to a US citizen is automatically also a citizen regardless of location of birth. I have grand daughters born in Switzerland who have dual citizenship. As with anything, it depends on what you mean by citizen. Further, it is not clear that the Constitutional Rule is subject to modification by statute, but it's also obvious that the definition of U.S. has shifted because of later events. The rules for *being recognized* as a U.S. citizen by virtue of birth are a bit complicated, but they are only designed to rule out situations where it's not clear what would be equitable. I.e., a single citizen parent, with a non-citizen other parent, can create a marginal situation, and the rules are designed to require a showing that the single parent was not only a U.S. citizen, but had a real relationship with the U.S., by living here a certain minimum time, after 14 years of age. The number of years required changed. Presently, it is five years of residence in the U.S. by the citizen-parent before the birth, two of which must be after 14. Obama's mother would have satisfied that, she was 18. However, the law at the time of Obama's birth required 10 years total and five years after 14. Given that Obama's mother was 18 at his birth, if Obama was born outside the U.S., then he'd not have had citizenship by right of birth at that time. I'm sure this makes the birthers all hot and bothered. I don't know about the retroactive applicability of the new law. The Wikipedia article implies that it was not retroactive, which is a tad weird. But sometimes laws are weird. It's claimed that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, but in Kenya. This creates a problem. I've bought foreign-born children into the U.S. You can't just saunter through customs with the kid. You have to show documents. In particular, you generally have to show a passport. To get a passport, you generally need a birth certificate. So if the birth certificate was forged, it would have to have been forged way back then, when this was a poor mother, not socially connected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birther The Indonesian connection is completely irrelevant. Obama could have had some right to be an Indonesian citizen, but I very much doubt that his U.S. passport was surrendered or that any act took place that would revoke U.S. citizenship. It's been raised that anyone can get a birth certificate. Sure. I've done it, quite a few times. I delivered four of my first five children, at home. I filed the papers. They are generally to be filed by the one who attends the birth. The law generally requires that it be filed within so many days of the birth. I also worked with the Arizona Publich Health Department, because we were generally assisting parents to give birth at home, and their critical interest was that the births be registered, so we agreed to encourage the parents to register the births (and to inform the Health Department of births). For legal reasons, at that time, our trope was that the father, generally, actually delivered the baby. Sometimes so, sometimes not. You do what you have to do. Later, we were licensed and registration became a binding legal requirement. The point is that it's filed timely, generally. If that fails, it can be registered late, but it must still be signed by the persons affirming the facts. The long form Obama birth certificate was signed by a physician, presumably the attending physician, I can't read the signature, but this could easily be determined who it was. The certification shows filing on August 8, 1961, 4 days after the certified birth, August 4. That's normal. The information on the certificate about parents was certified by the mother's signature on August 7. This is all totally normal. There is other evidence of the birth at that time. See the Wikipedia article. The denial of that certificate is totally nuts, wishful thinking or smoke-screen. By the way, birth announcements in newspapers are also often based on information provided, usually from the parents, but grandparents could do it. What information like that shows is that the claim of Hawaiian birth existed immediately. Not later. In this case, though, it appears that the listings of births came from the Health Department. This is what happens when people believe that something is wrong and then go searching for it. They find facts to question or assert, creating a new story that satisfies their itch. As to the alleged goal of the grandparents to make Obama a citizen, sure. However, consider their position at the time. This would have required felonies, forging birth certificates is a serious crime. Most people couldn't pull it off. This theory requires that the pregnant mother travel to Kenya. And then come back with the baby, and a birth certificate would be needed for a passport to come back in. You also
Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy
All your eloquent words are futile until such time as you can answer one simple question. Why is bambi still hiding his real Vault Birth Certificate? It makes no sense to do so, unless one is hiding something. This controversy will end 1 second after bambi releases his vault BC. There is no need to spend millions of taxpayer money for this. There is no need for all your eloquent speculations and explanations. Just do it and be done with it. Why continue the hiding? Jojo - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 1:17 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy At 01:28 PM 8/8/2012, Ron Wormus wrote: As far as I know a child born to a US citizen is automatically also a citizen regardless of location of birth. I have grand daughters born in Switzerland who have dual citizenship. As with anything, it depends on what you mean by citizen. Further, it is not clear that the Constitutional Rule is subject to modification by statute, but it's also obvious that the definition of U.S. has shifted because of later events. The rules for *being recognized* as a U.S. citizen by virtue of birth are a bit complicated, but they are only designed to rule out situations where it's not clear what would be equitable. I.e., a single citizen parent, with a non-citizen other parent, can create a marginal situation, and the rules are designed to require a showing that the single parent was not only a U.S. citizen, but had a real relationship with the U.S., by living here a certain minimum time, after 14 years of age. The number of years required changed. Presently, it is five years of residence in the U.S. by the citizen-parent before the birth, two of which must be after 14. Obama's mother would have satisfied that, she was 18. However, the law at the time of Obama's birth required 10 years total and five years after 14. Given that Obama's mother was 18 at his birth, if Obama was born outside the U.S., then he'd not have had citizenship by right of birth at that time. I'm sure this makes the birthers all hot and bothered. I don't know about the retroactive applicability of the new law. The Wikipedia article implies that it was not retroactive, which is a tad weird. But sometimes laws are weird. It's claimed that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, but in Kenya. This creates a problem. I've bought foreign-born children into the U.S. You can't just saunter through customs with the kid. You have to show documents. In particular, you generally have to show a passport. To get a passport, you generally need a birth certificate. So if the birth certificate was forged, it would have to have been forged way back then, when this was a poor mother, not socially connected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birther The Indonesian connection is completely irrelevant. Obama could have had some right to be an Indonesian citizen, but I very much doubt that his U.S. passport was surrendered or that any act took place that would revoke U.S. citizenship. It's been raised that anyone can get a birth certificate. Sure. I've done it, quite a few times. I delivered four of my first five children, at home. I filed the papers. They are generally to be filed by the one who attends the birth. The law generally requires that it be filed within so many days of the birth. I also worked with the Arizona Publich Health Department, because we were generally assisting parents to give birth at home, and their critical interest was that the births be registered, so we agreed to encourage the parents to register the births (and to inform the Health Department of births). For legal reasons, at that time, our trope was that the father, generally, actually delivered the baby. Sometimes so, sometimes not. You do what you have to do. Later, we were licensed and registration became a binding legal requirement. The point is that it's filed timely, generally. If that fails, it can be registered late, but it must still be signed by the persons affirming the facts. The long form Obama birth certificate was signed by a physician, presumably the attending physician, I can't read the signature, but this could easily be determined who it was. The certification shows filing on August 8, 1961, 4 days after the certified birth, August 4. That's normal. The information on the certificate about parents was certified by the mother's signature on August 7. This is all totally normal. There is other evidence of the birth at that time. See the Wikipedia article. The denial of that certificate is totally nuts, wishful thinking or smoke-screen. By the way, birth announcements in newspapers are also often based on information provided, usually from the parents, but grandparents could do it. What information like that shows is that the claim of Hawaiian birth
RE: [Vo]:Communicating cold fusion needs more than words
That is way Kewl, Ruby!! Thx. From: Ruby [mailto:r...@hush.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 8:58 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Communicating cold fusion needs more than words On 8/8/12 10:25 AM, Ruby wrote: Despite the massive typing that goes on each day, words are not the dominant form of communication. Words are too puny compared to the huge networks that move data on a planetary-scale. It is macroscopic gesticulation. How is this for an example of macroscopic gesticulation: http://now.jit.su/ Holy moly. This visibly shows the ambient environment of AI global-brain that we are operating in unbeknownst. It almost makes me want to give up advocating; how can any message survive this data tsunami?
Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy
Hi Steven, Would you mind giving us a short preview of the higher power effects you simulated. I did a similar thing once and all I recall is that the second order drop with distance was the only one that was stable in orbits. My simulation was a bit crude at the time so I am asking you for your observations. Thanks. Dave -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 11:14 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy Thanks for the layman's explanation, Chem. I think I actually understood much of what you were trying to describe. Having performed numerous computer simulations that loosely involve the rules attributed to celestial mechanics I have on occasion experimented with incorporating additional powers (i.e. dimensions) into the algorithms. For example, I've incorporated cube powers and 4th powers into some of my computer simulations. The results are interesting. Occasionally unexpected... wildly unexpected! I hope to present some of what I have uncovered before the end of the year over on my OrionWorks website - that is if I can get around to the arduous task of completely overhauling it. I'm in the middle of that mess right now. Regarding your concern as to why we have not yet found other intelligent life in the Universe. As Arthur Clark once quipped, and I'm paraphrasing here: Quasars are nothing more than industrial accidents. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:User contributed video from NIWeek 2012 - Celani's demo
Very nice. Most interesting 5:50 that power output increased with lower pressure (about 4bar H2 better than 8bar) Has anyone managed to find the report that has all of this data in it (saw page 40 on one of the pages he was talking about) On 9 August 2012 14:58, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Hello group, Watch this! This is not an official video from NI's Youtube channel: http://goo.gl/UEuCK NIWEEK 2012 - LENR - eCAT - Anomalous Heat Effect demonstrated August 7, 2012 - Austin, Texas - National Instruments NIWEEK 2012 - Francesco shows me the Anomalous Heat Effect from what is believed to be a Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR). This is the work of the Italian team of Andrea Rossi which I heard about last year, called the eCat (energy catalyzer) at one point. This is absolutely fantastic, as the implications of this little understood phenomena are a SEA CHANGE to the hope for applications of CLEAN and CHEAP ENERGY. The heat effect is believed to be the same as seen by others, such as Fleischmann and Pons in 1989, called Cold Fusion at the time. This is REAL folks, and (hopefully) it will change the world. National Instruments CEO Dr. James Truchard made this a part of his opening Keynote Presentation at the annual conference called NIWEEK 2012. I am extremely excited to see this making progress, and it has the power to change the world as we know it! I will be posting more, such as the Panel discussion with Physics ! and Engi neering luminaries who have witnessed this effect in other situations in the past. Read more at http://lenr-canr.org/ Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:User contributed video from NIWeek 2012 - Celani's demo
On 2012-08-09 18:55, Robert Lynn wrote: Most interesting 5:50 that power output increased with lower pressure (about 4bar H2 better than 8bar) I wondering it wasn't the decrease in pressure which caused an increase in excess heat, but rather the pressure *change* instead? Has anyone managed to find the report that has all of this data in it (saw page 40 on one of the pages he was talking about) I think that will be posted somewhere at a later time by Francesco Celani. Maybe after he will (?) present it during ICCF-17. Cheers, S.A.
RE: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy
Let's drop the political BS. We do not need it here. There are great things happening in Austin - this crap belittles it all.
Re: [Vo]:Communicating cold fusion needs more than words
Extraordinary! Thanks for sharing! 2012/8/9 MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net That is way Kewl, Ruby!! Thx… ** ** *From:* Ruby [mailto:r...@hush.com] *Sent:* Thursday, August 09, 2012 8:58 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Communicating cold fusion needs more than words ** ** On 8/8/12 10:25 AM, Ruby wrote: Despite the massive typing that goes on each day, words are not the dominant form of communication. Words are too puny compared to the huge networks that move data on a planetary-scale. It is macroscopic gesticulation. How is this for an example of macroscopic gesticulation: http://now.jit.su/ Holy moly. This visibly shows the ambient environment of AI global-brain that we are operating in unbeknownst. It almost makes me want to give up advocating; how can any message survive this data tsunami?
[Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
Hello group, This is from the official DGT forum: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17t=1288 Dear readers of this forum and friends, Defkalion GT presence at NI week 2012 has been recorded in the following youtube links: 1. Alex Xanthoulis in LENR panel discussion at http://youtu.be/0iKCLHxmISs 2. The technical presentation of DGT's Hyperions at (uploading in progress) 3. Please download this technical presentation in pdf (uploaded in this topic) as well as the summary of Defkalion's at NI week 2012. 4. An interesting introduction on Anomalous Heat Effects related technologies and science by Dr. Dunkan and Greg Morrow can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4HG9raN_2U whilst an interesting introduction to LENR, with reference to DGT's Hyperion products photo, can be viewed at President, and CEO, Dr. James Truchard's kicks off NIWeek 2012 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxjxFdFEBsw. A presentation of DGT's technologies and progress, supported also by a scientific paper, has been scheduled for ICCF-17 in Korea. We will be back to discuss all these through this forum at August 20th, 2012 We wish you all happy summer vacations. Defkalion Green Technologies Unfortunately, even though I'm logged in, the DGT forum software says that: You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. So I can't download the technical presentation in pdf. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy
At 11:39 AM 8/9/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: All your eloquent words are futile until such time as you can answer one simple question. Why is bambi still hiding his real Vault Birth Certificate? It makes no sense to do so, unless one is hiding something. This controversy will end 1 second after bambi releases his vault BC. There is no need to spend millions of taxpayer money for this. There is no need for all your eloquent speculations and explanations. Just do it and be done with it. Why continue the hiding? Uh, Obama long ago released the Long Form Birth Certificate. That's the original document signed by the mother and attending physician. There is no other vault certificate. The Hawaii Long Forms from then are kept in a bound volume. They are not publicly accessible. That, in fact, is why it took so long for Obama to release the Long Form. It took a special request and a special decision by the Health Department. You can't just request the Long Form, there is no procedure for it. You are asking a loaded question, Jojo, that assumes something is being hidden. What makes you so certain of that, such that you can ask such a question and not simply be a liar, liar, pants on fire? Do you imagine that Jesus loves liars and deceivers? All in a good cause? One test of the sincerity of faith is dedication to truth and honesty, regardless of implications, of reputation or face. The only other documents that would exist would be doctor's notes or notes taken by nurses. These are not birth certificates and they don't have legal force. They are used temporarily until the attending physicician -- or midwife or parent or other person, under unusual circumstances -- gets around to signing the thing. They are almost certainly long ago discarded. But they might exist, in old charts, if those are in an archive somewhere. Obama would not have access to them, not directly. But I suppose he could ask. Why should he? The signed, attested documents, executed under laws that would penalize false statements, are legally the strongest documents that exist. Old notes would not supersede them, because notes can be wrong and nobody has signed them as being true. I'm starting to doubt that Jojo is serious. This could merely be trolling.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
On 2012-08-09 19:33, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, Videos (direct links) Alex Xanthoulis in LENR panel discussion http://youtu.be/0iKCLHxmISs Technical presentation Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_BjWSuX3zE Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNclBoLgYP0 Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I2EO8YHJVQ Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
I didn't have any problem. But I am registered their forums. Maybe you need too? 2012/8/9 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com So I can't download the technical presentation in pdf. Cheers, S.A. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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At 10:38 AM 8/9/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Bambi's mother was a US citizen, although by the laws during that time, she was too young to confer US citizenship to bambi. But even if she could, that would only make Bambi a mere US citizen; not a Natural Born US Citizen. This is made up. The bulk of interpretation of natural born US citizen is citizenship by right of birth, as distinct from later actions. That is, if the person can, merely by showing the circumstances of birth, establish citizenship, they are natural born. The provision, as interpreted, distinguishes between natural birth citizenship and naturalized or adopted citizenship. My two youngest daughters are U.S. citizens, but not by right of birth, it was through later adoption and legal admission into the U.S. That's not by right of birth. It is correct that if Obama had been born elsewhere, to his mother married to a British citizen, as he was at the time, he'd not have been a natural born citizen by the laws regarding citizenship at that time. He was born about three months too early, his mother was only 18, and had not lived in the U.S. for five years after age 14. Three months later, she had. This, however, is a complexity not contemplated in the Constitution and I would not consider the matter determined until it was litigated. It could be argued, indeed, that the Constitutional provision refers only to a very narrow definition of natural born, though this, itself, leads to some severe interpretive problems. I doubt a court would adopt that. So far, it hasn't, and natural born citizen has clearly meant anyone born in the U.S., citizenship by right of birth location, but also those whose parents are citizens, both parents, and it is only when it is only one parent that the rules get complicated. It's all moot. Obama was born in Hawaii, as a legal fact. Overturning that legal fact would be extremely difficult, and, so far, it looks like attempts to do it have been based on forged documents and pure innuendo and speculation. I got an email, for example, that claimed the hospital on the long form birth certificate didn't exist at the time of the birth. That demonstrates just how wrong one can be by doing a little internet searching and jumping to conclusions. Aha! Look at this! It says right here: Name of the Hospital Obama was supposedly born at should have been Kauikeolani Children's Hospital until 1978. Then they merged with the Kapi'olani Maternity Home in 1978 and became Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women Children. Of course, none of those are the name of the hospital on the birth certificate. It says Kapiolani Maternal and Gynecological Hospital. In fact reading the alleged fact, I don't know which institution Obama was born in. Could have been the Children's Hospital or the Maternity Home. And either one could use the name Kapiolani Maternal and Gynecological Hospital for the maternity unit. Someone jumped to conclusions. The obvious way to test this: look for other birth certificates from the same period with the same name. It's been done. http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/yes-there-was-a-kapiolani-maternity-gynecological-hospital-in-1961/ I really want to point to the strong belief behind these posts. It's like the pseudoskepticism that has afflicted cold fusion. No matter what evidence is shown, there is always an objection. The goal posts move. It's obvious that the belief is fixed. It's the same with other issues. Once one buys that the Bible is not only the True Word of God, but also that one is correctly interpreting it (that's ego and attachment), everything that appears to be different -- such as evolution -- *must* be false. So one searches for reasons why it's false, so as to appear rational. As to real faith, it doesn't look like that. One would have no certainty, with real faith, that others are wrong. One would be unmoved by disagreement, one would have no problem considering what others mean, and faith is a condition of the heart, not a set of texts. Many people are unaware of this salient requirement. To them a US citizen is qualified automatically to be POTUS. That is not what the Constitution says: In order for one to be qualifed, one needs to be a Natural Born US Citizen. Strav man argument. People who seriously write about this know the requirment. Right or wrong, it is a requirement. My youngest two daughters are not eligible to be President. But the rule might be changed by then Natural Born US Citizenship has a specific technical definition under our laws. You just can't make up your own rules and declare bambi to be Natural Born US citizen based on your opinion. The basis is that he's a natural born U.S. citizen by any standing intepretation. There were attempts to define this as excluding children born in the U.S. of non-citizen parents, or one parent not a citizen. They failed. Bambi, however, isn't
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On 2012-08-09 20:04, Daniel Rocha wrote: I didn't have any problem. But I am registered their forums. Maybe you need too? Could you upload the file somewhere? Google Docs, Dropbox, etc. Cheers, S.A.
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It seems they only have a vague idea about what happens. They need special conditions in the lattice, they didn't specify exactly what, they just called it NAE, like Storms do. And that transmutation happens. They did not claim any particular theory. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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I will send you. Then, you do it :) 2012/8/9 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2012-08-09 20:04, Daniel Rocha wrote: I didn't have any problem. But I am registered their forums. Maybe you need too? Could you upload the file somewhere? Google Docs, Dropbox, etc. Cheers, S.A. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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1. Alex Xanthoulis in LENR panel discussion at http://youtu.be/0iKCLHxmISs At the very end he says that they ARE moving from Greece to Vancouver, Canada
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In the presentation it says they open their offices next month. 2012/8/9 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com At the very end he says that they ARE moving from Greece to Vancouver, Canada -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, even though I'm logged in, the DGT forum software says that: You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. So I can't download the technical presentation in pdf. Same here and I've been a member since June of 2011. T
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Part I : audio accent is hard to follow, impossible to read the slides -- I guess it's in the unavailable PDF Showed SEM's of Nickel powder and foam. LENR happens in Active Nuclear Environment. Disguised or Masquerading proton -- Coulomb repulsion zero for a very short window Everything happens very quickly. Cascade of nuclear reactions with very short 1/2-life (Developing real-time mass spectrometer) End up with gamma, possibly absorbed by heavy electrons Needs a pulse from HI-voltage spark plugs. One burst of power from each pulse.
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At 11:34 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Part I : audio accent is hard to follow, impossible to read the slides -- I guess it's in the unavailable PDF Showed SEM's of Nickel powder and foam. LENR happens in Active Nuclear Environment. Disguised or Masquerading proton -- Coulomb repulsion zero for a very short window Everything happens very quickly. Cascade of nuclear reactions with very short 1/2-life (Developing real-time mass spectrometer) End up with gamma, possibly absorbed by heavy electrons Needs a pulse from HI-voltage spark plugs. One burst of power from each pulse. They just fixed the pdf links : 2012-08-08_NIWeek_Defkalion Summary_Defining a new source of energy-.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=24 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23
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Agreed, or move it to the 'B' list... however, let me chime in just once more. :-) Jones, having been an attorney in his previous life, would probably be a better source, however, I think he left that life for a reason and would prefer to spend time on what interests him now, which is the sci/tech fringe... Being that I have in several 3-ring binders, and have read them, most of the SCOTUS cases on citizenship, and many lower cases as well, I think I may have some knowledge and history which 99.999% of people in this country don't have. My time in some very contentious startups has also provided me with, or subjected me to, considerable interaction with attorneys, and the legal environment... so I wanted to provide some wisdom and a bit of commentary before we return to what really makes us all drool. I will include a link at the end which I think provides a very thorough history and explanation of the legal environment which is pertinent to this discussion. But first, I'd like to provide a few comments before handing the issue off to each of you to *research and decide for yourself*. LEGAL vs COMMON DEFINITIONS One of the important lessons that has come out of my experiences is that words have an everyday meaning, and they have a LEGAL meaning/definition. Guess which one is important when dealing with attorneys, or when dealing with a judge in a courtroom? Why do you think Clinton, an attorney, said, It depends on what your definition of 'is', is. Most will joke about it, but I guarantee you Clinton was not being silly when he said that. I also have a quote from Bill Gates who made a very similar statement in the presence of attorneys... why? Because they have been in or around attorneys and the legal world and know just how important words are, and that the legal definition of a word is in many instances different than the common meaning, and you better know the difference if you want to have any chance of winning a legal battle. Is it any wonder why most of the Federal Regulations have a Definitions section? The hints that legal definitions are important are everywhere... This is not debatable... LEGAL definitions are important, no, not just important, they are *fundamental*, in a society that is governed by LAWS. After all, how are laws expressed or defined? Words... they are written down and then published. One of the duties/responsibilities of the court system, especially the SCOTUS, is to clarify and decide the legal (i.e., enforceable) meaning of those words, or even *a word*, when disputes arise. With that said, back to the dispute at hand... The question of 'natural born citizen' is the central issue; NOT whether he was a U.S. citizen. There was a VERY SPECIFIC REASON why that wording was added to the Constitution... and I believe in only one place. This quote from the link below explains it quite concisely: -- 2. What are the eligibility requirements for president? Article II Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution states: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. This means that, in modern times, you cannot legally or legitimately serve as President of the United States, unless you are: - at least 35 years of age, - a resident of the United States for at least 14 years, and - a natural born citizen. Regarding the third requirement (natural born citizen), the Constitution makes a special exception for persons who became U.S. citizens before September 17, 1787, the date on which the U.S. Constitution was adopted. Such persons may serve as president, even if they are not natural born citizens [09]. Today, no one qualifies for this special exception. No one alive today was a citizen when the Constitution was adopted. In modern times, if you wish to be president, it is not enough to be a U.S. citizen -- you must be a U.S. natural born citizen. -- When the Constitution was adopted, it became the highest level of law. Thus, the document needed to handle the case where the current president, who might not have been natural born, could legally be president if he was a citizen prior to the constitution. That's why it states, a citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution. And the same applies to subsequent presidents as well until there was no one left who became a citizen prior to 1787. Today, the clause, a citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution is really a nonissue since the people that this clause applied to have long ago died. The Founders knew just how corruptible humans are, and wanted to make sure that what they created didn't get subverted, so
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At 11:08 AM 8/9/2012, ecat builder wrote: There are many questions about Obama's past. It is an indisputable fact that the Long Form Birth Certificate posted on the http://whitehouse.govwhitehouse.gov web site manipulated in photoshop. The moron who created the PDF forgot to flatten all of the layers, so that anyone could go in an move important parts of the document around, including the registrar's stamp. What parts of the document are accurate, and why was it altered at all? The state of HI uses a number of weasel words to say he was born here without backing it up with an actual document. No, the actual document was shown to the press. Printed on that special paper. The clumsiness with the PDF actually shows naivete, not sophisticated forgery, for sure. You don't think that the President could access some sophisticated forgery skills if needed. Look, anybody could have done better. People alter stuff to publish it. Happens all the time. I don't know the provenance of the images people are looking at, what they went through. But a visible change between that document and what is in the Hawaii book would be easily discoverable, a really stupid forgery, when the original exists and can be accessed with a court order. A number of explanations are possible-- when Obama was adopted by his Indonesian father, the birth certificate may have been modified or altered, as is often the case with adoptions. The actual BC may have been lost or destroyed. Modified in a PDF file? As is often the case with adoptions? No, this is ignorant. Birth certificates are not altered for adoptions. There are additional certificates that can be obtained, for various purposes, but they do not contain false information. They might merely conceal some information. The certificate that has been published is the long form, which is a signed and attested document, attested by, in this case, the mother and the attending physician. I personally doubt Obama was born in Kenya, but Obama is hiding something, or playing a strange game with millions of taxpayer and campaign dollars. There have been dozens of lawsuits claiming he may be ineligible that could be resolved (perhaps) with the presentation of a birth certificate. All fail due to lack of standing but still require hundreds of hours of court work. Sure. And who is responsible for that. Ecat builder, Obama released the long form. He had to go to special trouble to get that, the state did not want to issue it. (They don't want to have to dig through those archives.) It looks to me like the birthers have had some success in confusing people about this. A US military doctor had questions and tried to assure himself that Obama was constitutionally eligible to hold office and ended up in Leavenworth... Poor judgement on his part, but again, easily solved had Obama not played hide-and-seek with his records. The state certified the birth. That people doubted that is not the fault of the state, nor of Obama. The doctor, I'm quite sure, did not end up in Leavenworth merely because he tried to assure himself. Of course, Jojo makes a good point that having dual citizenship at birth would make someone ineligible as Natural Born Citizen, which might explain O's reluctance to enter evidence into a court. The constitution was written so that the president could not be a commander from an invading country or have divided loyalties. It's unclear why it was written the way it was. It was apparently a last-minute change. Dual citizenship does not disqualify one from being President. There is no precedent for that. It's something that voters can consider. As this author points out, the biggest question is Obama's story of attending Occidental where he was a self-admitted pot-smoking bad student.. how did he get in? Why does nobody remember him? Who paid for his college? Was he enrolled as a foreigner? What were his grades? http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama%E2%80%99s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama%E2%80%99s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/ OMG. He admitted smoking pot? Now I really need to go out and campaign for him. He was a bad student? What a success story, then! Jed is not the only one who thinks that anyone who doesn't fawn over Obama is a racist. I haven't seen evidence for racism here. Just stupidity, which apparently can exist among racists and non-racists. Though most people are racist to one degree or other. That's quite another discussion. The older, highly permicious racism is mostly dead, afraid to show its face. But a more insidious racism still exists. If you don't understand it, it's because you'e white. That's a joke, though under the joke might be some truth. Let me remind everyone about how most conservatives also didn't like Carter, Clinton, and many were not fond of GW. We are equal opportunity
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At 11:40 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007 Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 165007 (2012) [5 pages] Novel Attractive Force between Ions in Quantum Plasmas P. K. Shukla1,2,* and B. Eliasson1, (PRL says that Abstracts are fully protected by copyrights).
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At 12:33 PM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007 Full paper is at http://arxiv.org/abs/1112.5556
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Here's a link to the pdf: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556v6.pdf On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 11:40 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007 Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 165007 (2012) [5 pages] Novel Attractive Force between Ions in Quantum Plasmas P. K. Shuklahttp://publish.aps.org/search/field/author/P.%20K.%20Shukla 1,2,* and B. Eliassonhttp://publish.aps.org/search/field/author/B.%20Eliasson 1,† (PRL says that Abstracts are fully protected by copyrights).
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At 12:40 PM 8/9/2012, Teslaalset wrote: Here's a link to the pdf: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556v6.pdf You beat me to it!
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http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 As with Rossi still no 3rd party validation but lots of very interesting information: As many have speculated Defkalion are using a plasma source of quite high power, 24kV, 22mA at several kHz (automotive level performance), TZM (molybdenum) and tungsten electrodes, 2-8bar Hydrogen with sparking to ignite reaction cycles many times per hour (on order of 6 minutes per cycle). On the order of 3-7kJ required to start a cycle. Electrode life is an issue. State that sparks create rydberg hydrogen atoms that then start the reaction. Nickel in non- face centred cubic crystals. No enrichment required but needs to be protected from spark kernels, using a nickel powder protected within a nickel foam. Some mix of ZnO, MgO and ZrO too. Lots of transmutations, and fusion of H to heavier elements, no gammas outside 50-300keV (pretty safe). 180-850°C in reactor, seems to be about 1kW output at present (92Wh out of a cycle, and about 10 cycles per hour). COP up to 22. On 9 August 2012 20:33, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 11:40 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007 Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 165007 (2012) [5 pages] Novel Attractive Force between Ions in Quantum Plasmas P. K. Shuklahttp://publish.aps.org/search/field/author/P.%20K.%20Shukla 1,2,* and B. Eliassonhttp://publish.aps.org/search/field/author/B.%20Eliasson 1,† (PRL says that Abstracts are fully protected by copyrights).
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I would imagine that anything coming close to those high temperature (thousands of degrees) singularities evaporating would take alot of wear and tear from both the heat and particles actually getting sucked into the singularity. The constant, Hawking radiation spectrum of emissions should over time create additional transmutations since all of the material within that chamber is being bombarded with radiation...my opinion, hope you are not sick of listening to it yet.. On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 As with Rossi still no 3rd party validation but lots of very interesting information: As many have speculated Defkalion are using a plasma source of quite high power, 24kV, 22mA at several kHz (automotive level performance), TZM (molybdenum) and tungsten electrodes, 2-8bar Hydrogen with sparking to ignite reaction cycles many times per hour (on order of 6 minutes per cycle). On the order of 3-7kJ required to start a cycle. Electrode life is an issue. State that sparks create rydberg hydrogen atoms that then start the reaction. Nickel in non- face centred cubic crystals. No enrichment required but needs to be protected from spark kernels, using a nickel powder protected within a nickel foam. Some mix of ZnO, MgO and ZrO too. Lots of transmutations, and fusion of H to heavier elements, no gammas outside 50-300keV (pretty safe). 180-850°C in reactor, seems to be about 1kW output at present (92Wh out of a cycle, and about 10 cycles per hour). COP up to 22. On 9 August 2012 20:33, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 11:40 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007 Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 165007 (2012) [5 pages] Novel Attractive Force between Ions in Quantum Plasmas P. K. Shuklahttp://publish.aps.org/search/field/author/P.%20K.%20Shukla 1,2,* and B. Eliassonhttp://publish.aps.org/search/field/author/B.%20Eliasson 1,† (PRL says that Abstracts are fully protected by copyrights).
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At 01:16 PM 8/9/2012, Robert Lynn wrote: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 I couldn't find the So paper (other than abstract) on the interaction between Rydberg H and metals, but here's a similar one which references him : http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-4075/45/1/015204/article/ Detection of electrons in the surface ionization of H Rydberg atoms and H2 Rydberg molecules
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On 9 August 2012 18:01, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-08-09 18:55, Robert Lynn wrote: Most interesting 5:50 that power output increased with lower pressure (about 4bar H2 better than 8bar) I wondering it wasn't the decrease in pressure which caused an increase in excess heat, but rather the pressure *change* instead? Good point. Now that we have seen behind the curtain a little with defkalion, could it be that one of the advantages that they have in their cyclic system (operating on about a 6 minute cycle of spark driven excitation followed by cooling) is that the cyclic change in temperature alters the pressure in the reactor and thereby causes the active material to breath slightly to maintain the reaction.
[Vo]:New York Times- Asia covers Water Car
Greetings Vortex, New York Times Asia covers Pakistan s Water Car...Note: a strange endorsement: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/world/asia/boast-of-water-run-car-thrills-pakistan.html?_r=2 Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown, PA
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So's paper: http://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid%3A53984973-1766-45cc-8bcf-055be714ed73/datastreams/THESIS01 On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 01:16 PM 8/9/2012, Robert Lynn wrote: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 I couldn't find the So paper (other than abstract) on the interaction between Rydberg H and metals, but here's a similar one which references him : http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-4075/45/1/015204/article/ Detection of electrons in the surface ionization of H Rydberg atoms and H2 Rydberg molecules
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Potassium and zirconium. Magic sauce! As expected. T
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Thanks, I perused it, but I'm not sure how Defkalion incorporates this into their proposed theory. Does anyone have any insights? -- Lou Pagnucco So's paper: http://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid%3A53984973-1766-45cc-8bcf-055be714ed73/datastreams/THESIS01 On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 01:16 PM 8/9/2012, Robert Lynn wrote: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 I couldn't find the So paper (other than abstract) on the interaction between Rydberg H and metals, but here's a similar one which references him : http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-4075/45/1/015204/article/ Detection of electrons in the surface ionization of H Rydberg atoms and H2 Rydberg molecules
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I do not see any mention of radiation/ionization products like gammas, x-ray, etc. They do mention UV laser bombardment. Trying to make sure my theory still holds... DGT still made out that they did not understand the complexities of their Rx I perused it, but I'm not sure how Defkalion incorporates this into their proposed theory. Does anyone have any insights? -- Lou Pagnucco So's paper: http://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid%3A53984973-1766-45cc-8bcf-055be714ed73/datastreams/THESIS01 On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 01:16 PM 8/9/2012, Robert Lynn wrote: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 I couldn't find the So paper (other than abstract) on the interaction between Rydberg H and metals, but here's a similar one which references him : http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-4075/45/1/015204/article/ Detection of electrons in the surface ionization of H Rydberg atoms and H2 Rydberg molecules
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DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion occurred. Does this match quantum physics theory? I thought that there is no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within its orbital all of the time. Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description. The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism. I bet on the later. It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important for the device operation just as I have suspected. Dave
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Think of a big lightning ball floating inside that reactor creating ionizing radiation and lots of heat. I would think you would want to keep it away from the walls of your reactor and maybe spark plug/instruments else you will cook them. On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:16 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion occurred. Does this match quantum physics theory? I thought that there is no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within its orbital all of the time. Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description. The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism. I bet on the later. It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important for the device operation just as I have suspected. Dave
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Did they say anything new? The audio quality is pretty bad, so I didn't understand everything: They are a) Talking to several countries (79 if I remember correctly) b) Trying to build production lines (which might take several years? I thought they were already building one...) c) Are they redesigning the whole thing? I thought their reactor was finished, however in Xanthoulis talk he mentions something about having something in 6 months..? It's a matter of materials. d) Does Xanthoulis say, that they received money from government or not? I understand something like Otherwise we would never finished or Other persons would never have finished? Perhaps it would be best if a native english speaker could make a transscript of both presentations..? So basically just more words, no facts and more delays..? Wolf Hello group, This is from the official DGT forum: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17t=1288 Dear readers of this forum and friends, Defkalion GT presence at NI week 2012 has been recorded in the following youtube links: 1. Alex Xanthoulis in LENR panel discussion at http://youtu.be/0iKCLHxmISs 2. The technical presentation of DGT's Hyperions at (uploading in progress) 3. Please download this technical presentation in pdf (uploaded in this topic) as well as the summary of Defkalion's at NI week 2012. 4. An interesting introduction on Anomalous Heat Effects related technologies and science by Dr. Dunkan and Greg Morrow can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4HG9raN_2U whilst an interesting introduction to LENR, with reference to DGT's Hyperion products photo, can be viewed at President, and CEO, Dr. James Truchard's kicks off NIWeek 2012 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxjxFdFEBsw. A presentation of DGT's technologies and progress, supported also by a scientific paper, has been scheduled for ICCF-17 in Korea. We will be back to discuss all these through this forum at August 20th, 2012 We wish you all happy summer vacations. Defkalion Green Technologies Unfortunately, even though I'm logged in, the DGT forum software says that: You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. So I can't download the technical presentation in pdf. Cheers, S.A.
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Lots of good things happening this week, and likely at ICCF too. good papers coming out. I am beginning to feel there's a trend to see more theoretical papers about 'deuterated metal lattices' and other titles which indicate the theorists have begun to see this as respectable and a very challenging problem which their minds crave to solve. although still somewhat avoiding the CF word. When one factors in the human aspect, Nobel prizes and other professional accolades and notoriety, this has reached the critical momentum that nothing can stop it now. There ain't no way this genie could get stuffed back into the bottle now. I don't care how much $ or influence that entity might have, the genie is free!! Reminds me of Robin Williams' portrayal as the genie in the animated movie, Aladdin, where at the end, the 'thief' had a choice for a third wish between wishing that his love interest would still love him after he confesses to her that he's not a prince, or he could do the right thing as promised to the genie and grant his freedom. he wished the genie 'free'. It was the right thing to do, and it was a good feeling. Well, I'm kinda feeling like that now! And for all of us who have been following this saga for 23 frickin' years, it a pretty dam good feeling! It won't happen overnight, but it WILL happen in our lifetime. -Mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion occurred. Does this match quantum physics theory? I thought that there is no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within its orbital all of the time. Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description. The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism. I bet on the later. It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important for the device operation just as I have suspected. Dave
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
DaveR, I got sidetracked with my posting on genies and all, kind of feeling a bit 'hi' today!, and forgot that I wanted to respond to your comment about mag-flds. absolutely they will be important because they affect the geometries/alignments. Possibly also alternating E and B flds. By definition, the atoms in a metal lattice are already aligned, but being able to tweak that alignment to some degree could very well be a key requirement. -mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion occurred. Does this match quantum physics theory? I thought that there is no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within its orbital all of the time. Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description. The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism. I bet on the later. It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important for the device operation just as I have suspected. Dave
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
Dave: I dont think its going to be some oblique angle either itll likely be some multiple of 90degs; or half a pi if you prefer your physics served up that way! ;-) bon appétit! -m From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 5:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 DaveR, I got sidetracked with my posting on genies and all, kind of feeling a bit hi today!, and forgot that I wanted to respond to your comment about mag-flds absolutely they will be important because they affect the geometries/alignments. Possibly also alternating E and B flds By definition, the atoms in a metal lattice are already aligned, but being able to tweak that alignment to some degree could very well be a key requirement -mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion occurred. Does this match quantum physics theory? I thought that there is no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within its orbital all of the time. Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description. The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism. I bet on the later. It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important for the device operation just as I have suspected. Dave
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
Re: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556v6.pdf Here is the article that goes with the paper above, I remembered that I saw this subject before and we talked about it. http://phys.org/news/2012-03-ions-closer-physical-quantum-plasmas.html Cheers: Axil On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote: Here's a link to the pdf: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556v6.pdf On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 11:40 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007 Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 165007 (2012) [5 pages] Novel Attractive Force between Ions in Quantum Plasmas P. K. Shuklahttp://publish.aps.org/search/field/author/P.%20K.%20Shukla 1,2,* and B. Eliassonhttp://publish.aps.org/search/field/author/B.%20Eliasson 1,† (PRL says that Abstracts are fully protected by copyrights).
[Vo]:Song in memory of Fleischmann
Song in memory of Martin Fleischmann http://youtu.be/6TsMKsU9Jtk Fleischmann obituary in the Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/9465201/Martin-Fleischmann.html Harry
Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy
Weapons-grade Balonium Everyone with half a brain cell knows that what he released was faked. But I guess I can forgive you because you don't have half a brain cell. You say that the Vault BC can not be obtained easily. You say they do not have procedures for getting the real Long Form Vault BC. You say this are not publicly accessible. You say there are no other Vault certificate Well, tell that to the Nordyke twins who were born within days of Bambi and they can show us their long form BC, which they obtained publicly, which they obtained easily within days of their request. Why doesn't bambi have something like the BC of the Nordyke twins. I suppose the Nordyke twins faked their long form BC to show to us; while bambi being a consumate muslim would not lie and hence his BC he posted was real. OK, whatever Jojo PS. I know for a fact that Jesus Christ does not like lying so I am not lying. What I do know is that allah (aka Satan) is a liar and the father of lies. That is why, you as an allah slave have no compunction at all about your blatant lies. That is why Bin Laden has no compunction in lying to kill people. (Remember, you started this religious attack. This is your third post with religious attacks. I never initiate a personal attack but I will give as good as I take.) - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy At 11:39 AM 8/9/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: All your eloquent words are futile until such time as you can answer one simple question. Why is bambi still hiding his real Vault Birth Certificate? It makes no sense to do so, unless one is hiding something. This controversy will end 1 second after bambi releases his vault BC. There is no need to spend millions of taxpayer money for this. There is no need for all your eloquent speculations and explanations. Just do it and be done with it. Why continue the hiding? Uh, Obama long ago released the Long Form Birth Certificate. That's the original document signed by the mother and attending physician. There is no other vault certificate. The Hawaii Long Forms from then are kept in a bound volume. They are not publicly accessible. That, in fact, is why it took so long for Obama to release the Long Form. It took a special request and a special decision by the Health Department. You can't just request the Long Form, there is no procedure for it. You are asking a loaded question, Jojo, that assumes something is being hidden. What makes you so certain of that, such that you can ask such a question and not simply be a liar, liar, pants on fire? Do you imagine that Jesus loves liars and deceivers? All in a good cause? One test of the sincerity of faith is dedication to truth and honesty, regardless of implications, of reputation or face. The only other documents that would exist would be doctor's notes or notes taken by nurses. These are not birth certificates and they don't have legal force. They are used temporarily until the attending physicician -- or midwife or parent or other person, under unusual circumstances -- gets around to signing the thing. They are almost certainly long ago discarded. But they might exist, in old charts, if those are in an archive somewhere. Obama would not have access to them, not directly. But I suppose he could ask. Why should he? The signed, attested documents, executed under laws that would penalize false statements, are legally the strongest documents that exist. Old notes would not supersede them, because notes can be wrong and nobody has signed them as being true. I'm starting to doubt that Jojo is serious. This could merely be trolling.
Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy
Baloney. This is your opinion proffered as law. Nothing more than a bunch of BS. A Natural Born US citizen is one with both US citizen parents and born on US soil. Period. Stop the lies. Jojo - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy At 10:38 AM 8/9/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Bambi's mother was a US citizen, although by the laws during that time, she was too young to confer US citizenship to bambi. But even if she could, that would only make Bambi a mere US citizen; not a Natural Born US Citizen. This is made up. The bulk of interpretation of natural born US citizen is citizenship by right of birth, as distinct from later actions. That is, if the person can, merely by showing the circumstances of birth, establish citizenship, they are natural born. The provision, as interpreted, distinguishes between natural birth citizenship and naturalized or adopted citizenship. My two youngest daughters are U.S. citizens, but not by right of birth, it was through later adoption and legal admission into the U.S. That's not by right of birth. It is correct that if Obama had been born elsewhere, to his mother married to a British citizen, as he was at the time, he'd not have been a natural born citizen by the laws regarding citizenship at that time. He was born about three months too early, his mother was only 18, and had not lived in the U.S. for five years after age 14. Three months later, she had. This, however, is a complexity not contemplated in the Constitution and I would not consider the matter determined until it was litigated. It could be argued, indeed, that the Constitutional provision refers only to a very narrow definition of natural born, though this, itself, leads to some severe interpretive problems. I doubt a court would adopt that. So far, it hasn't, and natural born citizen has clearly meant anyone born in the U.S., citizenship by right of birth location, but also those whose parents are citizens, both parents, and it is only when it is only one parent that the rules get complicated. It's all moot. Obama was born in Hawaii, as a legal fact. Overturning that legal fact would be extremely difficult, and, so far, it looks like attempts to do it have been based on forged documents and pure innuendo and speculation. I got an email, for example, that claimed the hospital on the long form birth certificate didn't exist at the time of the birth. That demonstrates just how wrong one can be by doing a little internet searching and jumping to conclusions. Aha! Look at this! It says right here: Name of the Hospital Obama was supposedly born at should have been Kauikeolani Children's Hospital until 1978. Then they merged with the Kapi'olani Maternity Home in 1978 and became Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women Children. Of course, none of those are the name of the hospital on the birth certificate. It says Kapiolani Maternal and Gynecological Hospital. In fact reading the alleged fact, I don't know which institution Obama was born in. Could have been the Children's Hospital or the Maternity Home. And either one could use the name Kapiolani Maternal and Gynecological Hospital for the maternity unit. Someone jumped to conclusions. The obvious way to test this: look for other birth certificates from the same period with the same name. It's been done. http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/yes-there-was-a-kapiolani-maternity-gynecological-hospital-in-1961/ I really want to point to the strong belief behind these posts. It's like the pseudoskepticism that has afflicted cold fusion. No matter what evidence is shown, there is always an objection. The goal posts move. It's obvious that the belief is fixed. It's the same with other issues. Once one buys that the Bible is not only the True Word of God, but also that one is correctly interpreting it (that's ego and attachment), everything that appears to be different -- such as evolution -- *must* be false. So one searches for reasons why it's false, so as to appear rational. As to real faith, it doesn't look like that. One would have no certainty, with real faith, that others are wrong. One would be unmoved by disagreement, one would have no problem considering what others mean, and faith is a condition of the heart, not a set of texts. Many people are unaware of this salient requirement. To them a US citizen is qualified automatically to be POTUS. That is not what the Constitution says: In order for one to be qualifed, one needs to be a Natural Born US Citizen. Strav man argument. People who seriously write about this know the requirment. Right or wrong, it is a requirement. My youngest two daughters are not eligible to be President. But the rule might be changed by then
Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy
The actual BC was shown to the press Baloney. What was shown to the press was a printout of the BC they posted on the web site, which we know was a fake. Show me a BC like the ones the Nordyke twins have. Why should bambi BC be different from the long form BC the Nordyke twins got from Hawaii authorites? Jojo - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy At 11:08 AM 8/9/2012, ecat builder wrote: There are many questions about Obama's past. It is an indisputable fact that the Long Form Birth Certificate posted on the http://whitehouse.govwhitehouse.gov web site manipulated in photoshop. The moron who created the PDF forgot to flatten all of the layers, so that anyone could go in an move important parts of the document around, including the registrar's stamp. What parts of the document are accurate, and why was it altered at all? The state of HI uses a number of weasel words to say he was born here without backing it up with an actual document. No, the actual document was shown to the press. Printed on that special paper. The clumsiness with the PDF actually shows naivete, not sophisticated forgery, for sure. You don't think that the President could access some sophisticated forgery skills if needed. Look, anybody could have done better. People alter stuff to publish it. Happens all the time. I don't know the provenance of the images people are looking at, what they went through. But a visible change between that document and what is in the Hawaii book would be easily discoverable, a really stupid forgery, when the original exists and can be accessed with a court order. A number of explanations are possible-- when Obama was adopted by his Indonesian father, the birth certificate may have been modified or altered, as is often the case with adoptions. The actual BC may have been lost or destroyed. Modified in a PDF file? As is often the case with adoptions? No, this is ignorant. Birth certificates are not altered for adoptions. There are additional certificates that can be obtained, for various purposes, but they do not contain false information. They might merely conceal some information. The certificate that has been published is the long form, which is a signed and attested document, attested by, in this case, the mother and the attending physician. I personally doubt Obama was born in Kenya, but Obama is hiding something, or playing a strange game with millions of taxpayer and campaign dollars. There have been dozens of lawsuits claiming he may be ineligible that could be resolved (perhaps) with the presentation of a birth certificate. All fail due to lack of standing but still require hundreds of hours of court work. Sure. And who is responsible for that. Ecat builder, Obama released the long form. He had to go to special trouble to get that, the state did not want to issue it. (They don't want to have to dig through those archives.) It looks to me like the birthers have had some success in confusing people about this. A US military doctor had questions and tried to assure himself that Obama was constitutionally eligible to hold office and ended up in Leavenworth... Poor judgement on his part, but again, easily solved had Obama not played hide-and-seek with his records. The state certified the birth. That people doubted that is not the fault of the state, nor of Obama. The doctor, I'm quite sure, did not end up in Leavenworth merely because he tried to assure himself. Of course, Jojo makes a good point that having dual citizenship at birth would make someone ineligible as Natural Born Citizen, which might explain O's reluctance to enter evidence into a court. The constitution was written so that the president could not be a commander from an invading country or have divided loyalties. It's unclear why it was written the way it was. It was apparently a last-minute change. Dual citizenship does not disqualify one from being President. There is no precedent for that. It's something that voters can consider. As this author points out, the biggest question is Obama's story of attending Occidental where he was a self-admitted pot-smoking bad student.. how did he get in? Why does nobody remember him? Who paid for his college? Was he enrolled as a foreigner? What were his grades? http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama%E2%80%99s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama%E2%80%99s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/ OMG. He admitted smoking pot? Now I really need to go out and campaign for him. He was a bad student? What a success story, then! Jed is not the only one who thinks that anyone who doesn't fawn over Obama is a racist. I haven't seen
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
Yeah, I have the same feeling Mark. It can not be too long now before the prize is delivered to mankind. I waited on the sideline for those many years, looking every so often to see if anything had poked its head upward. When I saw the Rossi demonstrations, I knew that the time had come to begin following cold fusion devices again. It was a long dry spell, but I just knew that there was something behind the work of PF since they were incredibly talented scientists. Do you recall that there was a great deal of interest in near room temperature superconductors at around the same time? I had hope for that technology as well, but it seems to have slowed down even more than LENR. Perhaps it will revive soon. Unfortunately, I just had to replace my heat pump due to its old age! I waited as long as I could, so now I guess I will have to obtain a LENR-generator combination to handle my needs. It could be worse. We should all be proud to have recognized a technology that will be immensely beneficial and rapidly deployed. Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 8:10 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 Lots of good things happening this week, and likely at ICCF too… good papers coming out. I am beginning to feel there’s a trend to see more theoretical papers about ‘deuterated metal lattices’ and other titles which indicate the theorists have begun to see this as respectable and a very challenging problem which their minds crave to solve… although still somewhat avoiding the CF word. When one factors in the human aspect, Nobel prizes and other professional accolades and notoriety, this has reached the critical momentum that nothing can stop it now. There ain’t no way this genie could get stuffed back into the bottle now… I don’t care how much $ or influence that entity might have, the genie is free!! Reminds me of Robin Williams’ portrayal as the genie in the animated movie, Aladdin, where at the end, the ‘thief’ had a choice for a third wish between wishing that his love interest would still love him after he confesses to her that he’s not a prince, or he could do the right thing as promised to the genie and grant his freedom… he wished the genie ‘free’. It was the right thing to do, and it was a good feeling. Well, I’m kinda feeling like that now! And for all of us who have been following this saga for 23 frickin’ years, it a pretty dam good feeling! It won’t happen overnight, but it WILL happen in our lifetime. -Mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion occurred. Does this match quantum physics theory? I thought that there is no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within its orbital all of the time. Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description. The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism. I bet on the later. It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important for the device operation just as I have suspected. Dave
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
Well, I guess time will tell as to how critical the angles will be. I picture the effect as being of a low probability nature where a small modification to the angle of motion for the protons allows the target to be hit. This thought is based upon the incredibly tiny cross section area of the target nucleus. Think of it as a poke into the dark at a small target, where the modified magnetic field changes the direction of the poke slightly. Of course you may be correct in your assessment, and one day we will know the proper answers. Now, what were the questions? :-) Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 8:22 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 Dave: I don’t think it’s going to be some oblique angle either… it’ll likely be some multiple of 90degs; or ‘half a pi’ if you prefer your physics served up that way! ;-) bon appétit! -m From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 5:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 DaveR, I got sidetracked with my posting on genies and all, kind of feeling a bit ‘hi’ today!, and forgot that I wanted to respond to your comment about mag-flds… absolutely they will be important because they affect the geometries/alignments. Possibly also alternating E and B flds… By definition, the atoms in a metal lattice are already aligned, but being able to tweak that alignment to some degree could very well be a key requirement… -mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion occurred. Does this match quantum physics theory? I thought that there is no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within its orbital all of the time. Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description. The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism. I bet on the later. It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important for the device operation just as I have suspected. Dave
RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy
Would you mind giving us a short preview of the higher power effects you simulated. I did a similar thing once and all I recall is that the second order drop with distance was the only one that was stable in orbits. My simulation was a bit crude at the time so I am asking you for your observations. Thanks. Hi Dave, Against my better judgment I have decided to give a small preview. Check out: http://test.orionworks.com/ As you might have guessed this is one of the sub-domain locations where I'm in the midst of performing a major overhaul of my entire web site. THIS LOCATION IS A TEST SITE! EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION! Lots of links here don't work, or work incorrectly. Things here are constantly subject to change without notice as I experiment fiddle about with this and that feature. Here today. gone tomorrow. The celestial mechanics animation is a multi-framed gif file. I chose using an animated GIF file in this situation over flash because flash is not supported on Apple's IPad platform... at least not officially. It's a shame. I believe this particular animation involved three factors: a positive force 1/r (NOT 1/r^2) a negative/repulsive 1/r^3 force and an external constant force that was gradually built up over a series of animations. It was the external force that changed over the entire simulation run. Everything else remained a constant, so to speak. The external force is gradually building up from the bottom of the picture. As the force builds upward it gradually forces the orbiting satellite to gyrate (wiggle and dance!) upwards. Eventually it pops out of the picture! What astonished me as I ran these simulations were the number of unexpected bifurcations that would suddenly manifest when I least expected it. Many, MANY of my simulations exhibited an astonishing number of unexpected bifurcations. I have generated many other simulations that produce far more interesting effects, and beauty. Hopefully before the end of the year I'll have a few additional things out there. We'll see how it goes. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:01 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson Check out: http://test.orionworks.com/ Some of the images remind me of electron cloud orbits. T
Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy
He didn`t say anything bad about Jesus, he just questioned if you were following His principles properly. I am sure Abd has Jesus in high regard. But, now, it seems you are really begging for being banned. 2012/8/9 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com PS. I know for a fact that Jesus Christ does not like lying so I am not lying. What I do know is that allah (aka Satan) is a liar and the father of lies. That is why, you as an allah slave have no compunction at all about your blatant lies. That is why Bin Laden has no compunction in lying to kill people. (Remember, you started this religious attack. This is your third post with religious attacks. I never initiate a personal attack but I will give as good as I take.) - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy At 11:39 AM 8/9/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: All your eloquent words are futile until such time as you can answer one simple question. Why is bambi still hiding his real Vault Birth Certificate? It makes no sense to do so, unless one is hiding something. This controversy will end 1 second after bambi releases his vault BC. There is no need to spend millions of taxpayer money for this. There is no need for all your eloquent speculations and explanations. Just do it and be done with it. Why continue the hiding? Uh, Obama long ago released the Long Form Birth Certificate. That's the original document signed by the mother and attending physician. There is no other vault certificate. The Hawaii Long Forms from then are kept in a bound volume. They are not publicly accessible. That, in fact, is why it took so long for Obama to release the Long Form. It took a special request and a special decision by the Health Department. You can't just request the Long Form, there is no procedure for it. You are asking a loaded question, Jojo, that assumes something is being hidden. What makes you so certain of that, such that you can ask such a question and not simply be a liar, liar, pants on fire? Do you imagine that Jesus loves liars and deceivers? All in a good cause? One test of the sincerity of faith is dedication to truth and honesty, regardless of implications, of reputation or face. The only other documents that would exist would be doctor's notes or notes taken by nurses. These are not birth certificates and they don't have legal force. They are used temporarily until the attending physicician -- or midwife or parent or other person, under unusual circumstances -- gets around to signing the thing. They are almost certainly long ago discarded. But they might exist, in old charts, if those are in an archive somewhere. Obama would not have access to them, not directly. But I suppose he could ask. Why should he? The signed, attested documents, executed under laws that would penalize false statements, are legally the strongest documents that exist. Old notes would not supersede them, because notes can be wrong and nobody has signed them as being true. I'm starting to doubt that Jojo is serious. This could merely be trolling. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy
Now that is what I call a wild set of plots! It appears like you found a way to construct the electron orbitals for a complex atom. Nice art. I thought that you were going to demonstrate that a stable, more or less nominal orbit could be obtained for different powers of force versus distance. That was my main question since I think the laws of COE would be violated if a stable elliptic orbit were obtained with anything except a second order force. You might do some tweaking to your equation and obtain fractal curves. My simulation was conducted to visually see how interactions between planets lead to unstable systems and the ejection of small ones. I think I gave up after I had a single planet simulated due to the complexity of the equations with many bodies. In my simulation I incremented time in small steps and recalculated the delta changes in position at each interval. That technique works well for solving high order differential equations. I have been tempted to use it for the solution to some of the partial differential equations associated with heat flow, but lack sufficient energy to see it through. Good luck with your interesting endeavor. Dave -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 10:01 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy Would you mind giving us a short preview of the higher power effects you simulated. I did a similar thing once and all I recall is that the second order drop with distance was the only one that was stable in orbits. My simulation was a bit crude at the time so I am asking you for your observations. Thanks. Hi Dave, Against my better judgment I have decided to give a small preview. Check out: http://test.orionworks.com/ As you might have guessed this is one of the sub-domain locations where I'm in the midst of performing a major overhaul of my entire web site. THIS LOCATION IS A TEST SITE! EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION! Lots of links here don't work, or work incorrectly. Things here are constantly subject to change without notice as I experiment fiddle about with this and that feature. Here today… gone tomorrow. The celestial mechanics animation is a multi-framed gif file. I chose using an animated GIF file in this situation over flash because flash is not supported on Apple's IPad platform... at least not officially. It's a shame. I believe this particular animation involved three factors: a positive force 1/r (NOT 1/r^2) a negative/repulsive 1/r^3 force and an external constant force that was gradually built up over a series of animations. It was the external force that changed over the entire simulation run. Everything else remained a constant, so to speak. The external force is gradually building up from the bottom of the picture. As the force builds upward it gradually forces the orbiting satellite to gyrate (wiggle and dance!) upwards. Eventually it pops out of the picture! What astonished me as I ran these simulations were the number of unexpected bifurcations that would suddenly manifest when I least expected it. Many, MANY of my simulations exhibited an astonishing number of unexpected bifurcations. I have generated many other simulations that produce far more interesting effects, and beauty. Hopefully before the end of the year I’ll have a few additional things out there… We’ll see how it goes. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy
Same thought I had Terry. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 10:10 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:01 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson Check out: http://test.orionworks.com/ Some of the images remind me of electron cloud orbits. T
RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy
Hey Steven, the website is looking very nice; and enjoyed perusing your artwork. So that's what happened to Kinkade!! And when I come back for another round on this physical plain, I want to get a speeding ticket on the galactic highway! Most talented you be. Oh, some of the orbital forms sure seem strange and totally unexpected. we're so used to seeing boring mostly circular orbits that it would be fascinating to see one like your simulations. are you aware of any (from astronomers papers) that might be very non-circular? -mark From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 7:01 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy Would you mind giving us a short preview of the higher power effects you simulated. I did a similar thing once and all I recall is that the second order drop with distance was the only one that was stable in orbits. My simulation was a bit crude at the time so I am asking you for your observations. Thanks. Hi Dave, Against my better judgment I have decided to give a small preview. Check out: http://test.orionworks.com/ As you might have guessed this is one of the sub-domain locations where I'm in the midst of performing a major overhaul of my entire web site. THIS LOCATION IS A TEST SITE! EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION! Lots of links here don't work, or work incorrectly. Things here are constantly subject to change without notice as I experiment fiddle about with this and that feature. Here today. gone tomorrow. The celestial mechanics animation is a multi-framed gif file. I chose using an animated GIF file in this situation over flash because flash is not supported on Apple's IPad platform... at least not officially. It's a shame. I believe this particular animation involved three factors: a positive force 1/r (NOT 1/r^2) a negative/repulsive 1/r^3 force and an external constant force that was gradually built up over a series of animations. It was the external force that changed over the entire simulation run. Everything else remained a constant, so to speak. The external force is gradually building up from the bottom of the picture. As the force builds upward it gradually forces the orbiting satellite to gyrate (wiggle and dance!) upwards. Eventually it pops out of the picture! What astonished me as I ran these simulations were the number of unexpected bifurcations that would suddenly manifest when I least expected it. Many, MANY of my simulations exhibited an astonishing number of unexpected bifurcations. I have generated many other simulations that produce far more interesting effects, and beauty. Hopefully before the end of the year I'll have a few additional things out there. We'll see how it goes. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
