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How sad Aussie Guy. I really feel bad for you. Regards to the dog! (don't forget to respond to that bankruptcy notice, no more first class flights around the world if you don't have a passport) From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, 19 January 2012 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com Steven, Didn't sleep much last night. Went for a morning walk along the beach with my dog and watched the sun come up. Just had a coffee with our chairman who lives not that far from me. I'm taking 2 weeks leave to get my head together. The company will not be moving forward with any of my LENR plans as I have not be able to produce a working device. Good news is I still have a job. AG On 20/01/2012 3:10 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Chill out. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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I searched a little bit online. I can find some websites claiming that the Ecat was delivered to the customer. However I am not capable of finding a statement from Rossi where he says that the plant had been delivered to the customer. Just that the customer is happy and so on... Wolf I think, this is the first time for me that Rossi was caught in a direct lie... Or is it just me, remembering Rossi saying that the container had been shipped? Of course this also sheds some light on all the insider sources ;) Or Rossi is lieing again... Wolf -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit GMX Mail gesendet. Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net schrieb: This is comical! Ya gotta laugh. So, did Rossi confirm what the Collective seems to be converging to??? Y Thnk!!! BTW, Thanks go to Patrick Ellul for taking the direct route, and just asking the horse! Good job Patrick! -Mark From: Robert Leguillon [mailto:robert.leguil...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com You guys must have missed the post by Patrick Ellul: 1. Italo R. January 18th, 2012 at 2:02 PM Dear Ing. Rossi, I have watched this interview with you in Bologna realized on the 12th of January 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pc In it appears a 1 MW container. May I ask you if that container is the same used in the last test with ing. Fioravanti and already sold to your customer? Thank you. Kind regards, Italo R. 2. Andrea Rossi January 18th, 2012 at 6:44 PM Dear Italo R. Yes, it is the same: we are still working on it with National Instruments and with the Customer. It will take another month before it will be ready. Warm Regards, A.R. - the floor strings are a moot point...someone must have mopped
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This is what I said earlier. I don't recall Rossi ever saying that the container was shipped. The seems to have been assumed once Rossi said the customer was happy and the plant was sold. On 19/01/12 08:44, Wolf Fischer wrote: I searched a little bit online. I can find some websites claiming that the Ecat was delivered to the customer. However I am not capable of finding a statement from Rossi where he says that the plant had been delivered to the customer. Just that the customer is happy and so on... Wolf I think, this is the first time for me that Rossi was caught in a direct lie... Or is it just me, remembering Rossi saying that the container had been shipped? Of course this also sheds some light on all the insider sources ;) Or Rossi is lieing again... Wolf -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit GMX Mail gesendet. Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net schrieb: This is comical! Ya gotta laugh. So, did Rossi confirm what the Collective seems to be converging to??? Y Thnk!!! BTW, Thanks go to Patrick Ellul for taking the direct route, and just asking the horse! Good job Patrick! -Mark From: Robert Leguillon [mailto:robert.leguil...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com You guys must have missed the post by Patrick Ellul: 1. Italo R. January 18th, 2012 at 2:02 PM Dear Ing. Rossi, I have watched this interview with you in Bologna realized on the 12th of January 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pc In it appears a 1 MW container. May I ask you if that container is the same used in the last test with ing. Fioravanti and already sold to your customer? Thank you. Kind regards, Italo R. 2. Andrea Rossi January 18th, 2012 at 6:44 PM Dear Italo R. Yes, it is the same: we are still working on it with National Instruments and with the Customer. It will take another month before it will be ready. Warm Regards, A.R. - the floor strings are a moot point...someone must have mopped
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So the customer who supposedly bought the blue problem was happy but didn't accept delivery due to something needing to be fixed or tidied up? No way. Many things about Rossi are hard to believe but probably the most preposterous idea of them all is the notion that there is a customer who really bought a rusty old shipping container full of junk for no other reason than wanting to use it as a heater in some real world application and would therefore require it to be fixed before they take delivery. Becoming a customer of Rossi at this stage of affairs can be nothing more than a disguised partnership. You didn't go out in 2011 to buy a cold fusion plant for $200k because you expected it to do actual work. Still don't, for that matter.
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EL, Rossi has stated the plant was shipped and installed in the customers US location and that he attended to do the install. AG On 19/01/2012 7:17 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: This is what I said earlier. I don't recall Rossi ever saying that the container was shipped. The seems to have been assumed once Rossi said the customer was happy and the plant was sold.
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AG, Can you give us a link where he said that? I can't find any except for some websites (not directly related to Rossi) which say so. Wolf EL, Rossi has stated the plant was shipped and installed in the customers US location and that he attended to do the install. AG On 19/01/2012 7:17 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: This is what I said earlier. I don't recall Rossi ever saying that the container was shipped. The seems to have been assumed once Rossi said the customer was happy and the plant was sold.
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EL, The plant has not moved, despite what has been said. The images confirm that. AG On 19/01/2012 6:08 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: Jones Isn't it possible that the US customer's facility is in Italy? If the customer is military, as speculated to be, then it's possible that they are using one of their bases in Italy to monitor and deal with Rossi and the 1MW plant. The US have a base near Vicensa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_installations_in_Italy) which is only 150Km from Bologna so it's quite possible that Rossi was at the 'customer's facility' the day before the interview. Not saying it's so but just saying we don't know everything.
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AG, will you still do business with AR considering that he lie about shipping something really big whereas it hasn't moved at all. 2012/1/19 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com EL, The plant has not moved, despite what has been said. The images confirm that. AG On 19/01/2012 6:08 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: Jones Isn't it possible that the US customer's facility is in Italy? If the customer is military, as speculated to be, then it's possible that they are using one of their bases in Italy to monitor and deal with Rossi and the 1MW plant. The US have a base near Vicensa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**List_of_United_States_Army_** installations_in_Italyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_installations_in_Italy ) which is only 150Km from Bologna so it's quite possible that Rossi was at the 'customer's facility' the day before the interview. Not saying it's so but just saying we don't know everything. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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EL, Rossi stated the plant did ship to his US customer and he attended to do the install. AG On 19/01/2012 5:45 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: Perhaps the original 1MW plant never shipped to the customer's location as the customer wanted it fixed before shipping, i.e. the leaking gaskets, the control system etc. As I recall Rossi never said the unit was delivered to the customer's premises although I could be wrong on this.
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Robert, Gotta admit, from what Rossi has stated, the Jan 12 image may be from Jan 12, despite the stained floor no longer being stained. Note the tubing that connected the water supply to the pumps is seen lying at the left side and parallel to the BBB. It even has the aluminum duck tape on the section ends that can be seen in the Oct 28 image of the feed water supply piping. I now have 3 issues: 1) Either the BBB was never shipped to the customer, despite what Rossi claims. Here I would say there is no way the 28 Oct unit on the floor could be shipped. Not with the water pumps mounted on welded on support shelves and the virtually non supported water piping above the pumps. Add to that the issue of the top mounted reactors. Of course the pump support shelves, the piping and the top mounted reactors could have been removed and secured inside the BBB. As they old and new photos and the angles of the piping are identical, this would suggest they have not been removed and replaced. 2) It was torn down, shipped to the customer, assembled, torn down again, shipped back to Rossi and reassembled exactly as it was before it started the movement process. Rossi has claimed this has not happened. I'm inclined to agree with Rossi on this point. 3) The plant in the 12 Jan images is not capable of operation. It is under construction as evidenced by many non connected wires inside the plant. There are no support equipment to run the plant under load nor is there any evidence of any NI control system other than the original Tan Box on the right front side of the BBB. So where was any of the reported development done with NI, the customer and the Customer's engineer? So I'm left with 2 possibilities: 1) The Jan 12 image was taken before 28 Oct 2011 and everything is sweet. 2) The BBB has never left Rossi's workshop. Some work is happening on the inside but nothing outside. All the 1 MW operational load and circulating water support systems have been removed and the existing control system has been disconnected. Andrea Rossi please explain what is happened. AG On 19/01/2012 4:33 PM, Robert Leguillon wrote: You guys must have missed the post by Patrick Ellul: 1. Italo R. January 18th, 2012 at 2:02 PM Dear Ing. Rossi, I have watched this interview with you in Bologna realized on the 12th of January 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pc In it appears a 1 MW container. May I ask you if that container is the same used in the last test with ing. Fioravanti and already sold to your customer? Thank you. Kind regards, Italo R. 2. Andrea Rossi January 18th, 2012 at 6:44 PM Dear Italo R. Yes, it is the same: we are still working on it with National Instruments and with the Customer. It will take another month before it will be ready. Warm Regards, A.R. - the floor strings are a moot point...someone must have mopped
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AG I agree that the plant was not moved. I was referring to Jones' comment on how could Rossi supposedly be at the customer's facility in the US the afternoon before the interview. If the customer's facility is in Italy then that would not be difficult. On 19/01/12 12:09, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: EL, The plant has not moved, despite what has been said. The images confirm that. AG On 19/01/2012 6:08 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: Jones Isn't it possible that the US customer's facility is in Italy? If the customer is military, as speculated to be, then it's possible that they are using one of their bases in Italy to monitor and deal with Rossi and the 1MW plant. The US have a base near Vicensa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_installations_in_Italy) which is only 150Km from Bologna so it's quite possible that Rossi was at the 'customer's facility' the day before the interview. Not saying it's so but just saying we don't know everything.
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Daniel, It is about the product. Leonardo Corp needs to show me a product that I can sell. That means they need to show QUALITY, certification of the product and certification of the manufacturing plant. Product certification means nothing if the manufacturing facility has not been certified to manufacture the product to ISO 9001/2008 general company quality certification and the specific UL/IEC product certification qualifications. This triple certification process can take a long time, like 18 months or more. What I saw in the recent video and my analysis of the images gives me concerns. Rossi need to address this issue right NOW and not try to ignore the evidence on the table. As in science, evidence is evidence. You can't walk away from / ignore it. Positive or negative. It is what it is. AG On 19/01/2012 10:43 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: AG, will you still do business with AR considering that he lie about shipping something really big whereas it hasn't moved at all.
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That stains on the floor could be water (or another fluid) which evaporated leaving no stain. Admittedly they look dark for water but may be a product of the exposure. So I don't think it's conclusive. On 19/01/12 03:24, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Daniel, Try this image of the non and stained floors. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/shO4Ub6pXlC5p1kWhUIZ89MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink AG On 19/01/2012 1:26 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I cannot see colors well, I have some color blindness, deuteranomaly. Can you enhance the image?
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But was it actually Rossi that said that or was it interpreted as that by a reporter, blogger, or some other party? I find that so much gets misinterpreted and misreported due to reports not always originating from original sources that it's difficult to keep track of what's really true and what's been misreported or lost in translations. I don't recall him actually ever saying that the plant shipped to the customer. I accept that I may be wrong. If you have a link, please post it. I'll need to do a search to see if I can find anything. On 19/01/12 12:13, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: EL, Rossi stated the plant did ship to his US customer and he attended to do the install. AG On 19/01/2012 5:45 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: Perhaps the original 1MW plant never shipped to the customer's location as the customer wanted it fixed before shipping, i.e. the leaking gaskets, the control system etc. As I recall Rossi never said the unit was delivered to the customer's premises although I could be wrong on this.
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I haven't been able to find any place where Rossi said that the 1MW plant was taken away by the customer. Nor can I find anywhere where he states that the unit was going to the USA. All he has confirmed publicly, as far as I can gather, is that it was a military entity who made the purchase. Since the Oct 28 demo he says he has worked with Dominico Fioravanti on the electrical generation issue and also on installing new NI instrumentation. I'm guessing all this work was done at the Bologna factory. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Energy Liberator energylibera...@gmail.com wrote: But was it actually Rossi that said that or was it interpreted as that by a reporter, blogger, or some other party? I find that so much gets misinterpreted and misreported due to reports not always originating from original sources that it's difficult to keep track of what's really true and what's been misreported or lost in translations. I don't recall him actually ever saying that the plant shipped to the customer. I accept that I may be wrong. If you have a link, please post it. I'll need to do a search to see if I can find anything. On 19/01/12 12:13, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: EL, Rossi stated the plant did ship to his US customer and he attended to do the install. AG On 19/01/2012 5:45 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: Perhaps the original 1MW plant never shipped to the customer's location as the customer wanted it fixed before shipping, i.e. the leaking gaskets, the control system etc. As I recall Rossi never said the unit was delivered to the customer's premises although I could be wrong on this. -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World http://www.e-catworld.com Author, The Secret Power Beneath https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/
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Wolf, On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to the customer and he was building the next 1 MW plant in a new container. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=27#comment-106637 Andrea Rossi October 30th, 2011 at 2:15 PM Dear Luke Mortensen: 1- yes 2- yes 3- yes. gaskets 4- different 5- Miami (Fl), Boston (Ma), Manchester (N.H.) Warm Regards, A.R. Luke Mortensen October 30th, 2011 at 12:54 PM Dear Andrea, 1. Is the 1MW container gone? 2. Have you started building another 1MW in another container? 3. Any improvements you want in version 2? 4. Will the buyer of the next 1MW container be the same customer or a different customer? 5. What city will you be working (hiring) in the US? Best wishes, Luke Mortensen AG On 19/01/2012 10:38 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote: AG, Can you give us a link where he said that? I can't find any except for some websites (not directly related to Rossi) which say so. Wolf
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Good find, AG. Thanks for the correction. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: Wolf, On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to the customer and he was building the next 1 MW plant in a new container. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physics.com/?p=510cpage=27#** comment-106637http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=27#comment-106637 Andrea Rossi October 30th, 2011 at 2:15 PM Dear Luke Mortensen: 1- yes 2- yes 3- yes. gaskets 4- different 5- Miami (Fl), Boston (Ma), Manchester (N.H.) Warm Regards, A.R. Luke Mortensen October 30th, 2011 at 12:54 PM Dear Andrea, 1. Is the 1MW container gone? 2. Have you started building another 1MW in another container? 3. Any improvements you want in version 2? 4. Will the buyer of the next 1MW container be the same customer or a different customer? 5. What city will you be working (hiring) in the US? Best wishes, Luke Mortensen AG On 19/01/2012 10:38 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote: AG, Can you give us a link where he said that? I can't find any except for some websites (not directly related to Rossi) which say so. Wolf -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World http://www.e-catworld.com Author, The Secret Power Beneath https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/
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Thanks for searching and clarifying that. So he lied, plain and simple. Someone should confront him with his earlier statements, although this is probably useless... Wolf Wolf, On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to the customer and he was building the next 1 MW plant in a new container. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=27#comment-106637 Andrea Rossi October 30th, 2011 at 2:15 PM Dear Luke Mortensen: 1- yes 2- yes 3- yes. gaskets 4- different 5- Miami (Fl), Boston (Ma), Manchester (N.H.) Warm Regards, A.R. Luke Mortensen October 30th, 2011 at 12:54 PM Dear Andrea, 1. Is the 1MW container gone? 2. Have you started building another 1MW in another container? 3. Any improvements you want in version 2? 4. Will the buyer of the next 1MW container be the same customer or a different customer? 5. What city will you be working (hiring) in the US? Best wishes, Luke Mortensen AG On 19/01/2012 10:38 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote: AG, Can you give us a link where he said that? I can't find any except for some websites (not directly related to Rossi) which say so. Wolf
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http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=27#comment-106637 AG On 19/01/2012 11:21 PM, Frank Acland wrote: I haven't been able to find any place where Rossi said that the 1MW plant was taken away by the customer. Nor can I find anywhere where he states that the unit was going to the USA. All he has confirmed publicly, as far as I can gather, is that it was a military entity who made the purchase. Since the Oct 28 demo he says he has worked with Dominico Fioravanti on the electrical generation issue and also on installing new NI instrumentation. I'm guessing all this work was done at the Bologna factory.
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OK, I can't argue with that. On 19/01/12 12:56, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Wolf, On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to the customer and he was building the next 1 MW plant in a new container. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=27#comment-106637 Andrea Rossi October 30th, 2011 at 2:15 PM Dear Luke Mortensen: 1- yes 2- yes 3- yes. gaskets 4- different 5- Miami (Fl), Boston (Ma), Manchester (N.H.) Warm Regards, A.R. Luke Mortensen October 30th, 2011 at 12:54 PM Dear Andrea, 1. Is the 1MW container gone? 2. Have you started building another 1MW in another container? 3. Any improvements you want in version 2? 4. Will the buyer of the next 1MW container be the same customer or a different customer? 5. What city will you be working (hiring) in the US? Best wishes, Luke Mortensen AG On 19/01/2012 10:38 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote: AG, Can you give us a link where he said that? I can't find any except for some websites (not directly related to Rossi) which say so. Wolf
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English is not my native language, but I think (only) when interpreted very liberally, gone can be interpreted as sold. (like in: going... going... gone). Andre Blum On 01/19/2012 08:56 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Wolf, On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to the customer and he was building the next 1 MW plant in a new container. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=27#comment-106637 Andrea Rossi October 30th, 2011 at 2:15 PM Dear Luke Mortensen: 1- yes 2- yes 3- yes. gaskets 4- different 5- Miami (Fl), Boston (Ma), Manchester (N.H.) Warm Regards, A.R. Luke Mortensen October 30th, 2011 at 12:54 PM Dear Andrea, 1. Is the 1MW container gone? 2. Have you started building another 1MW in another container? 3. Any improvements you want in version 2? 4. Will the buyer of the next 1MW container be the same customer or a different customer? 5. What city will you be working (hiring) in the US? Best wishes, Luke Mortensen AG On 19/01/2012 10:38 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote: AG, Can you give us a link where he said that? I can't find any except for some websites (not directly related to Rossi) which say so. Wolf
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EL, There are other similar dark stains on the floor that did not evaporate. AG On 19/01/2012 10:56 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: That stains on the floor could be water (or another fluid) which evaporated leaving no stain. Admittedly they look dark for water but may be a product of the exposure. So I don't think it's conclusive. On 19/01/12 03:24, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Daniel, Try this image of the non and stained floors. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/shO4Ub6pXlC5p1kWhUIZ89MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink AG On 19/01/2012 1:26 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I cannot see colors well, I have some color blindness, deuteranomaly. Can you enhance the image?
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Is there only 1 container? If he has orders for multiple units how do we know that the unit in the video is the only one or is the one intended for the customer and not some development test bed/prototype? -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat [mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:02 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com EL, There are other similar dark stains on the floor that did not evaporate. AG On 19/01/2012 10:56 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: That stains on the floor could be water (or another fluid) which evaporated leaving no stain. Admittedly they look dark for water but may be a product of the exposure. So I don't think it's conclusive. On 19/01/12 03:24, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Daniel, Try this image of the non and stained floors. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/shO4Ub6pXlC5p1kWhUIZ89MTjNZETYm yPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink AG On 19/01/2012 1:26 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I cannot see colors well, I have some color blindness, deuteranomaly. Can you enhance the image?
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This was my point earlier. Many things can be misunderstood or misinterpreted because of Rossi's use and understanding of English. I deal with a lot of foreign people in English and am used to how they phrase things in English or their understanding of English. It's also possible Rossi was expecting the plant to be shipped when he made that comment after which he and the customer decided to leave the plant where it was and work on it in Bologna. On 19/01/12 13:01, andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: English is not my native language, but I think (only) when interpreted very liberally, "gone" can be interpreted as "sold". (like in: "going... going... gone"). Andre Blum On 01/19/2012 08:56 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Wolf, On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to the customer and he was building the next 1 MW plant in a new container. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=27#comment-106637 Andrea Rossi October 30th, 2011 at 2:15 PM Dear Luke Mortensen: 1- yes 2- yes 3- yes. gaskets 4- different 5- Miami (Fl), Boston (Ma), Manchester (N.H.) Warm Regards, A.R. Luke Mortensen October 30th, 2011 at 12:54 PM Dear Andrea, 1. Is the 1MW container gone? 2. Have you started building another 1MW in another container? 3. Any improvements you want in version 2? 4. Will the buyer of the next 1MW container be the same customer or a different customer? 5. What city will you be working (hiring) in the US? Best wishes, Luke Mortensen AG On 19/01/2012 10:38 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote: AG, Can you give us a link where he said that? I can't find any except for some websites (not directly related to Rossi) which say so. Wolf
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The issue is: Rossi says the plant is gone (shipped). Rossi says he is attending the customer's US site to do the install. Rossi say he is working with the customer and NI and is making amazing progress. Rossi says it has not been returned by the customer. A video from 12 Jan shows it is still in the original site and has not moved. Rossi says the pant in the video is the 1st plant and will be ready in 1 month. Go figure. AG On 19/01/2012 10:49 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: AG I agree that the plant was not moved. I was referring to Jones' comment on how could Rossi supposedly be at the customer's facility in the US the afternoon before the interview. If the customer's facility is in Italy then that would not be difficult.
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I agree. It does look as though Rossi is being contradictive in his statements. Maybe we should just ask him directly. I bet ecat.com didn't post that interview now. Look at the can of worms it's opened. On 19/01/12 13:09, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: The issue is: Rossi says the plant is gone (shipped). Rossi says he is attending the customer's US site to do the install. Rossi say he is working with the customer and NI and is making amazing progress. Rossi says it has not been returned by the customer. A video from 12 Jan shows it is still in the original site and has not moved. Rossi says the pant in the video is the 1st plant and will be ready in 1 month. Go figure. AG On 19/01/2012 10:49 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: AG I agree that the plant was not moved. I was referring to Jones' comment on how could Rossi supposedly be at the customer's facility in the US the afternoon before the interview. If the customer's facility is in Italy then that would not be difficult.
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Wolf, I have a VERY good memory. Almost pictorial. I know what I have read and heard. It may take me some time to find it but I will find it. AG On 19/01/2012 11:30 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote: Thanks for searching and clarifying that. So he lied, plain and simple. Someone should confront him with his earlier statements, although this is probably useless... Wolf
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Andre, Question: Is the container gone? Answer: Yes. Can't be much simpler than that. AG On 19/01/2012 11:31 PM, andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: English is not my native language, but I think (only) when interpreted very liberally, gone can be interpreted as sold. (like in: going... going... gone). Andre Blum On 01/19/2012 08:56 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Wolf, On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to the customer and he was building the next 1 MW plant in a new container. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=27#comment-106637 Andrea Rossi October 30th, 2011 at 2:15 PM Dear Luke Mortensen: 1- yes 2- yes 3- yes. gaskets 4- different 5- Miami (Fl), Boston (Ma), Manchester (N.H.) Warm Regards, A.R. Luke Mortensen October 30th, 2011 at 12:54 PM Dear Andrea, 1. Is the 1MW container gone? 2. Have you started building another 1MW in another container? 3. Any improvements you want in version 2? 4. Will the buyer of the next 1MW container be the same customer or a different customer? 5. What city will you be working (hiring) in the US? Best wishes, Luke Mortensen AG On 19/01/2012 10:38 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote: AG, Can you give us a link where he said that? I can't find any except for some websites (not directly related to Rossi) which say so. Wolf
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EL, Work on it? How? Nothing is there to test it under load. How can you test for leaks with no water circulation system in place and no heat load to generate steam and increase the pressure? I'm just an engineer, so I may be wrong but I don't think so. AG On 19/01/2012 11:38 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: This was my point earlier. Many things can be misunderstood or misinterpreted because of Rossi's use and understanding of English. I deal with a lot of foreign people in English and am used to how they phrase things in English or their understanding of English. It's also possible Rossi was expecting the plant to be shipped when he made that comment after which he and the customer decided to leave the plant where it was and work on it in Bologna.
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EL, Look I still believe the E-Cat is a workable FPE device. BUT it needs a LOT of work by good engineers. I don't see that happening as Rossi appears to be holding the IP VERY close to his chest. This product needs a really good team of experienced development engineers. Not just NI. Thermal heat management, flow dynamics, industrial design, design for manufacture, design for repair (needed for a 30 year life as it will break several times over that time period) and other design, manufacturing and engineering specialists. What we saw in that video was Rossi and one other person working on a Fat E-Cat and a prototype home E-Cat with a home sized heat exchange on wooden boxes / tables in one corner of a room. Sorry but not what I would expect but maybe I'm wrong. Or what we saw was a back yard / garage science project being run by 2 people. Andrea Rossi please stop talking about heating your FACTORY with E-Cat heat and doing videos wearing a thick coat. Mate, trust me, it doesn't look good. I still believe you have something of value. But your PR is killing you and your product. Under promise and over deliver. Remember the 3 Qs. QUALITY of product, QUALITY of expectation delivery, QUALITY of support and service. Deliver those 3 Qs and price is the last issue. AG On 19/01/2012 11:45 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: I agree. It does look as though Rossi is being contradictive in his statements. Maybe we should just ask him directly. I bet ecat.com didn't post that interview now. Look at the can of worms it's opened.
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just an engineer, so I may be wrong but I don't think so. Hey, hey, hey . ! T
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Andre, Question: Is the container gone? Answer: Yes. Can't be much simpler than that. Maybe the container in the video and picture is a demo, like the ones in car showrooms. The one the customer actually buys is the one from the lot or the one being manufactured that is shipped in a week later. When Rossi says the container is 'gone', maybe he means another container from some other factory. Or maybe it is the container in the picture that he is talking about, but he means it is 'gone' in some legal sense - it is now the property of the buyer and Rossi is just putting on the finishing touches.
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Keep in mind that Rossi was probably not aware of a very thorough discussion (including photoshop analysis, etc,) about this footage of the BBB, concentrating around the question whether it had ever moved a single millimeter. He just received a very simple question: /1. Italo R. January 18th, 2012 at 2:02 PM Dear Ing. Rossi, I have watched this interview with you in Bologna realized on the 12th of January 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pc In it appears a 1 MW container. May I ask you if that container is the same used in the last test with ing. Fioravanti and already sold to your customer? Thank you. Kind regards, Italo R. /This just asks: is the container in the video the same container as the October 28 one?/ 2. Andrea Rossi January 18th, 2012 at 6:44 PM Dear Italo R. Yes, it is the same: we are still working on it with National Instruments and with the Customer. It will take another month before it will be ready. Warm Regards, A.R. / This says two things: (1) yes it is the same. (2) we are working on it with the customer and it will be ready in a month. Without knowledge of the fact that our heated discussion was about whether it has ever moved, Rossi must have just tried to guess what was the reason of Italo R.'s question. He could have interpreted it like this: damn, mr Rossi, all we get to see is the same old blue container. When do you show us a red one and a green one to prove you are working on more. His answer can then be seen as the opposite of lying: actually a rather open and honest answer: we're still working on the blue and improving it. So it could be that: (1) the container *was* shipped (2) the container wasn't returned. (2) rossi didn't lie at all (3) the footage in the 12 jan youtube video was older footage, because the ecat.com guys had a marketing/credibility obligation to show a BBB, while in fact during shooting on jan 12 the hall was rather empty (4) rossi just answered Italo's question honestly, but didn't get the point of the question, being whether it ever moved. And he didn't answer whether that same container was still there at that same spot today, because it wasn't part of the question. Andre On 01/19/2012 09:32 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Andre, Question: Is the container gone? Answer: Yes. Can't be much simpler than that. AG On 19/01/2012 11:31 PM, andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: English is not my native language, but I think (only) when interpreted very liberally, gone can be interpreted as sold. (like in: going... going... gone). Andre Blum On 01/19/2012 08:56 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Wolf, On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to the customer and he was building the next 1 MW plant in a new container. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=27#comment-106637 Andrea Rossi October 30th, 2011 at 2:15 PM Dear Luke Mortensen: 1- yes 2- yes 3- yes. gaskets 4- different 5- Miami (Fl), Boston (Ma), Manchester (N.H.) Warm Regards, A.R. Luke Mortensen October 30th, 2011 at 12:54 PM Dear Andrea, 1. Is the 1MW container gone? 2. Have you started building another 1MW in another container? 3. Any improvements you want in version 2? 4. Will the buyer of the next 1MW container be the same customer or a different customer? 5. What city will you be working (hiring) in the US? Best wishes, Luke Mortensen AG On 19/01/2012 10:38 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote: AG, Can you give us a link where he said that? I can't find any except for some websites (not directly related to Rossi) which say so. Wolf
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Terry, This is like an experiment. All the data shows the expected result. Then you get a set of data that calls all the other data into question. Do you then: 1) Throw it out, claiming it is just noise? 2) Say WTF and investigate? I'm a #2 kind of guy. But then just maybe that is why I'm an engineer and not a scientists? I like noise as that is where all the interesting stuff lives. AG On 20/01/2012 12:25 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just an engineer, so I may be wrong but I don't think so. Hey, hey, hey . ! T
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I think, this is actually one of the better explanations pro Rossi so far that I have heard of... Then the question remains where he did build the other 1MW cats..? In the US directly? And the more general question to me is, why he has a place in Italy at all if he is seemingly doing most the stuff in the US and he wants the technology to be American? Still, I took the liberty of asking Rossi directly on his journal about the confusion. I tried to be as politically correct as I can :) still I fear the chances of getting a proper response might be very low... Wolf Andre, Question: Is the container gone? Answer: Yes. Can't be much simpler than that. Maybe the container in the video and picture is a demo, like the ones in car showrooms. The one the customer actually buys is the one from the lot or the one being manufactured that is shipped in a week later. When Rossi says the container is 'gone', maybe he means another container from some other factory. Or maybe it is the container in the picture that he is talking about, but he means it is 'gone' in some legal sense - it is now the property of the buyer and Rossi is just putting on the finishing touches.
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I'd add (5) In Rossi's English Yes means NO 2012/1/19 Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl Keep in mind that Rossi was probably not aware of a very thorough discussion (including photoshop analysis, etc,) about this footage of the BBB, concentrating around the question whether it had ever moved a single millimeter. He just received a very simple question: *1. Italo R. January 18th, 2012 at 2:02 PM Dear Ing. Rossi, I have watched this interview with you in Bologna realized on the 12th of January 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pc In it appears a 1 MW container. May I ask you if that container is the same used in the last test with ing. Fioravanti and already sold to your customer? Thank you. Kind regards, Italo R. * This just asks: is the container in the video the same container as the October 28 one? * 2. Andrea Rossi January 18th, 2012 at 6:44 PM Dear Italo R. Yes, it is the same: we are still working on it with National Instruments and with the Customer. It will take another month before it will be ready. Warm Regards, A.R. * This says two things: (1) yes it is the same. (2) we are working on it with the customer and it will be ready in a month. Without knowledge of the fact that our heated discussion was about whether it has ever moved, Rossi must have just tried to guess what was the reason of Italo R.'s question. He could have interpreted it like this: damn, mr Rossi, all we get to see is the same old blue container. When do you show us a red one and a green one to prove you are working on more. His answer can then be seen as the opposite of lying: actually a rather open and honest answer: we're still working on the blue and improving it. So it could be that: (1) the container *was* shipped (2) the container wasn't returned. (2) rossi didn't lie at all (3) the footage in the 12 jan youtube video was older footage, because the ecat.com guys had a marketing/credibility obligation to show a BBB, while in fact during shooting on jan 12 the hall was rather empty (4) rossi just answered Italo's question honestly, but didn't get the point of the question, being whether it ever moved. And he didn't answer whether that same container was still there at that same spot today, because it wasn't part of the question. Andre On 01/19/2012 09:32 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Andre, Question: Is the container gone? Answer: Yes. Can't be much simpler than that. AG On 19/01/2012 11:31 PM, andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: English is not my native language, but I think (only) when interpreted very liberally, gone can be interpreted as sold. (like in: going... going... gone). Andre Blum On 01/19/2012 08:56 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Wolf, On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to the customer and he was building the next 1 MW plant in a new container. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=27#comment-106637 Andrea Rossi October 30th, 2011 at 2:15 PM Dear Luke Mortensen: 1- yes 2- yes 3- yes. gaskets 4- different 5- Miami (Fl), Boston (Ma), Manchester (N.H.) Warm Regards, A.R. Luke Mortensen October 30th, 2011 at 12:54 PM Dear Andrea, 1. Is the 1MW container gone? 2. Have you started building another 1MW in another container? 3. Any improvements you want in version 2? 4. Will the buyer of the next 1MW container be the same customer or a different customer? 5. What city will you be working (hiring) in the US? Best wishes, Luke Mortensen AG On 19/01/2012 10:38 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote: AG, Can you give us a link where he said that? I can't find any except for some websites (not directly related to Rossi) which say so. Wolf
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: I like noise as that is where all the interesting stuff lives. Just don't be demeaning engineers. Just an engineer . . really! We are Yaldabaoth! :-) T
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Andrea Selva andreagiuseppe.se...@gmail.com wrote: I'd add (5) In Rossi's English Yes means NO I hope he doesn't have any daughters. T
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And I wonder why he does't miss any smallest opportunity to show his Bologna workshop to whoever walks down the street but nobody on the earth has never seen a single square feet of his factories in the US ? 2012/1/19 Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de I think, this is actually one of the better explanations pro Rossi so far that I have heard of... Then the question remains where he did build the other 1MW cats..? In the US directly? And the more general question to me is, why he has a place in Italy at all if he is seemingly doing most the stuff in the US and he wants the technology to be American? Still, I took the liberty of asking Rossi directly on his journal about the confusion. I tried to be as politically correct as I can :) still I fear the chances of getting a proper response might be very low... Wolf Andre, Question: Is the container gone? Answer: Yes. Can't be much simpler than that. Maybe the container in the video and picture is a demo, like the ones in car showrooms. The one the customer actually buys is the one from the lot or the one being manufactured that is shipped in a week later. When Rossi says the container is 'gone', maybe he means another container from some other factory. Or maybe it is the container in the picture that he is talking about, but he means it is 'gone' in some legal sense - it is now the property of the buyer and Rossi is just putting on the finishing touches.
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AG If he is working on fixing leaking gaskets then he doesn't need the whole plant working so perhaps they are using the unit on the table for stress testing. Likewise NI may not require the whole plant working to do their work. There is also the possibility that this unit is only a test bed and that the work NI and the other engineers are doing to improve the plant is done at the factory. The more I think about it, it is unlikely that Rossi is building the plants at the location that the interview was filmed and Oct 28 test was held. It just doesn't have the space and facilities from what I can see. If he needs to be building 13 plants he'd want enough space where he can have a number of plants being built in parallel. I also think that he is keeping the location of the manufacturing secret so he definitely not using this location for production. It's obvious that there is not much going on in that workshop. On 19/01/12 13:35, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: EL, Work on it? How? Nothing is there to test it under load. How can you test for leaks with no water circulation system in place and no heat load to generate steam and increase the pressure? I'm just an engineer, so I may be wrong but I don't think so. AG
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FYI, I just queued to following question for moderation on JONP: Dear Mr Rossi, Following some discussion on vortex-l about the jan 12 interview on youtube, where it seems to show the 1 MW container in exactly the same spot as on the 28th of October: (1) Is that recent footage? Is the container still there today? (2) How does that relate to your earlier statement that the container was shipped? ..we were just wondering. Good luck! Andre On 01/19/2012 10:17 AM, Energy Liberator wrote: AG If he is working on fixing leaking gaskets then he doesn't need the whole plant working so perhaps they are using the unit on the table for stress testing. Likewise NI may not require the whole plant working to do their work. There is also the possibility that this unit is only a test bed and that the work NI and the other engineers are doing to improve the plant is done at the factory. The more I think about it, it is unlikely that Rossi is building the plants at the location that the interview was filmed and Oct 28 test was held. It just doesn't have the space and facilities from what I can see. If he needs to be building 13 plants he'd want enough space where he can have a number of plants being built in parallel. I also think that he is keeping the location of the manufacturing secret so he definitely not using this location for production. It's obvious that there is not much going on in that workshop. On 19/01/12 13:35, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: EL, Work on it? How? Nothing is there to test it under load. How can you test for leaks with no water circulation system in place and no heat load to generate steam and increase the pressure? I'm just an engineer, so I may be wrong but I don't think so. AG
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I believe this is probably the most likely case. On 19/01/12 13:58, Vorl Bek wrote: Maybe the container in the video and picture is a demo, like the ones in car showrooms. The one the customer actually buys is the one from the lot or the one being manufactured that is shipped in a week later.
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The problem it is that he said THAT container with its contents were sold. Or so, that's what I understood. 2012/1/19 Energy Liberator energylibera...@gmail.com AG If he is working on fixing leaking gaskets then he doesn't need the whole plant working so perhaps they are using the unit on the table for stress testing. Likewise NI may not require the whole plant working to do their work. There is also the possibility that this unit is only a test bed and that the work NI and the other engineers are doing to improve the plant is done at the factory. The more I think about it, it is unlikely that Rossi is building the plants at the location that the interview was filmed and Oct 28 test was held. It just doesn't have the space and facilities from what I can see. If he needs to be building 13 plants he'd want enough space where he can have a number of plants being built in parallel. I also think that he is keeping the location of the manufacturing secret so he definitely not using this location for production. It's obvious that there is not much going on in that workshop. On 19/01/12 13:35, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: EL, Work on it? How? Nothing is there to test it under load. How can you test for leaks with no water circulation system in place and no heat load to generate steam and increase the pressure? I'm just an engineer, so I may be wrong but I don't think so. AG -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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I still don't think that was spelled out clear enough to ensure an non ambiguous answer. You didn't specifically ask if that was the container that he is working on for the customer with NI. It's possible that the footage is recent, the container was the one from the test and is still there today but is not the container that was shipped / delivered to the customer. Let's see how he replies. It would be nice to clear this up. On 19/01/12 14:19, Andre Blum wrote: FYI, I just queued to following question for moderation on JONP: Dear Mr Rossi, Following some discussion on vortex-l about the jan 12 interview on youtube, where it seems to show the 1 MW container in exactly the same spot as on the 28th of October: (1) Is that recent footage? Is the container still there today? (2) How does that relate to your earlier statement that the container was shipped? ..we were just wondering. Good luck! Andre
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I also filled in the enquiry form on ecat.com with the question whether they used old footage in the video, or if the container was still there when they filmed. I clearly referred to the discussion on vortex and the issue about the container's position. On 01/19/2012 10:25 AM, Energy Liberator wrote: I still don't think that was spelled out clear enough to ensure an non ambiguous answer. You didn't specifically ask if that was the container that he is working on for the customer with NI. It's possible that the footage is recent, the container was the one from the test and is still there today but is not the container that was shipped / delivered to the customer. Let's see how he replies. It would be nice to clear this up. On 19/01/12 14:19, Andre Blum wrote: FYI, I just queued to following question for moderation on JONP: Dear Mr Rossi, Following some discussion on vortex-l about the jan 12 interview on youtube, where it seems to show the 1 MW container in exactly the same spot as on the 28th of October: (1) Is that recent footage? Is the container still there today? (2) How does that relate to your earlier statement that the container was shipped? ..we were just wondering. Good luck! Andre
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EL, No that is not correct. Rossi clearly said that the unit we saw in the 28 Oct demo had been shipped (it was gone) and he had attended the customers site to install it. He stated he was building a new plant in a new container. AG On 20/01/2012 12:50 AM, Energy Liberator wrote: I believe this is probably the most likely case. On 19/01/12 13:58, Vorl Bek wrote: Maybe the container in the video and picture is a demo, like the ones in car showrooms. The one the customer actually buys is the one from the lot or the one being manufactured that is shipped in a week later.
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EL, Rossi has already stated the BBB in the video is the same unit as in the 28 Oct video. We know it has not moved despite Rossi saying YES to the question WAS IT GONE. AG On 20/01/2012 12:55 AM, Energy Liberator wrote: I still don't think that was spelled out clear enough to ensure an non ambiguous answer. You didn't specifically ask if that was the container that he is working on for the customer with NI. It's possible that the footage is recent, the container was the one from the test and is still there today but is not the container that was shipped / delivered to the customer. Let's see how he replies. It would be nice to clear this up. On 19/01/12 14:19, Andre Blum wrote: FYI, I just queued to following question for moderation on JONP: Dear Mr Rossi, Following some discussion on vortex-l about the jan 12 interview on youtube, where it seems to show the 1 MW container in exactly the same spot as on the 28th of October: (1) Is that recent footage? Is the container still there today? (2) How does that relate to your earlier statement that the container was shipped? ..we were just wondering. Good luck! Andre
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Daniel, It is also obvious that there are no E-Cats heating that facility in Italy. You may ask is heating needed in a Florida E-Cat manufacturing plant? There are no coolant circulation systems nor heat exchangers attached to the 12 Jan imaged BBB. How can there be any testing of the BBB in operation? There was a single Fat Cat unit in test mode in the next room, with a prototype home E-Cat on the next table. This sure seems like Rossi's Italian RD centre that he talks of. AG On 20/01/2012 12:52 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: The problem it is that he said THAT container with its contents were sold. Or so, that's what I understood. 2012/1/19 Energy Liberator energylibera...@gmail.com mailto:energylibera...@gmail.com AG If he is working on fixing leaking gaskets then he doesn't need the whole plant working so perhaps they are using the unit on the table for stress testing. Likewise NI may not require the whole plant working to do their work. There is also the possibility that this unit is only a test bed and that the work NI and the other engineers are doing to improve the plant is done at the factory. The more I think about it, it is unlikely that Rossi is building the plants at the location that the interview was filmed and Oct 28 test was held. It just doesn't have the space and facilities from what I can see. If he needs to be building 13 plants he'd want enough space where he can have a number of plants being built in parallel. I also think that he is keeping the location of the manufacturing secret so he definitely not using this location for production. It's obvious that there is not much going on in that workshop.
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Daniel, Rossi said the 28 Oct BBB was shipped to the customer. We now know it was not shipped nor was the BBB gone as he also claimed. AG On 20/01/2012 12:52 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: The problem it is that he said THAT container with its contents were sold. Or so, that's what I understood.
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So, just tell me, at least the 1MW models is a fake story? Not talking about the technology, just specifically about the 1MW unit. Because, if that is a fake, it's hard to believe in any other 1MW since these was a kind of fundamental prototype. 2012/1/19 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com Daniel, Rossi said the 28 Oct BBB was shipped to the customer. We now know it was not shipped nor was the BBB gone as he also claimed. AG On 20/01/2012 12:52 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: The problem it is that he said THAT container with its contents were sold. Or so, that's what I understood. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Rossi would make a good politician... While I am not defending Rossi, it is standard to have a factory acceptance test before shipping a large, expensive unit. It is also typical to have a payment tied to a satisfactory result from that acceptance test. It is also typical to have a punch list of items that the customer wants corrected/improved as part of that test before shipping. It would also by typical that final payments would be tied to the successful shipping/installation/startup of the unit. The disconnect is that Rossi has not communicated clearly any of that scenario (actually contradicted parts of it) and also the pictures seem to show one or two guys walking around like they are in NO BIG HURRY. If I were releasing a product that could potentially sell millions/billions of units I would have a large team of engineers swarming over that unit preparing it for shipment, etc... Rossi should hire at least one PR person to be his communications interface (in english) to the public. At least Defkalion is doing that on their forum (whether they have a system that works or not is still unknown). Even NASA has a disconnect in what they say in their marketing video meant to probably raise investment dollars for their research as well as what they posted in aviation weekly blog vs. what Zawodny says on his personal blog. I think we all want to believe 30:1 or better heat gains are possible and realize the impact that will have although it is very hard continuing to give Rossi the benefit of doubt as this drags on. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: EL, No that is not correct. Rossi clearly said that the unit we saw in the 28 Oct demo had been shipped (it was gone) and he had attended the customers site to install it. He stated he was building a new plant in a new container. AG On 20/01/2012 12:50 AM, Energy Liberator wrote: I believe this is probably the most likely case. On 19/01/12 13:58, Vorl Bek wrote: Maybe the container in the video and picture is a demo, like the ones in car showrooms. The one the customer actually buys is the one from the lot or the one being manufactured that is shipped in a week later.
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AG, Not that it changes anything, but why do you expect the facility to be heated by the e-cat? Rossi said that the facility that he was heating with the e-cat was sold to raise funds to take this project further. What is clear is that we just don't know what is going on. I hope Rossi clears this up otherwise it's going to throw a bad light over him and his work. On 19/01/12 14:46, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Daniel, It is also obvious that there are no E-Cats heating that facility in Italy. You may ask is heating needed in a Florida E-Cat manufacturing plant? There are no coolant circulation systems nor heat exchangers attached to the 12 Jan imaged BBB. How can there be any testing of the BBB in operation? There was a single Fat Cat unit in test mode in the next room, with a prototype home E-Cat on the next table. This sure seems like Rossi's Italian RD centre that he talks of. AG
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EL, Yup. The BBB never moved, was never gone, was never shipped, was never returned, is not currently operational and is not in testing despite what Rossi has claimed. Also that facility is not heated with an E-Cat. Is there another facility that is making fully functional E-Cat, has a production line, has an advanced RD facility and the US customer has one of these units? Maybe. But we have no proof of that. All we need is ONE photograph of another E-Cat on a production. Rossi claims to be making another 13. Why not post a photo of that line? Will that give away trade secrets? Instead what we get is a video of the 28 Oct BBB. Is that all Rossi has to show? If so I have wasted a lot of my and my companies time and money. AG On 20/01/2012 12:47 AM, Energy Liberator wrote: It's obvious that there is not much going on in that workshop.
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A barrel of Lies plus a spoon of Truth = s barrel of Lies. A barrel of Truth plus a spoon of Lies = a barrel of Lies. Rossi is constantly delivering low quality, unreliable, unverifiable information and it is a waste of time to try to extract the truth of it. Everything is possible, even the impossible. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: EL, Yup. The BBB never moved, was never gone, was never shipped, was never returned, is not currently operational and is not in testing despite what Rossi has claimed. Also that facility is not heated with an E-Cat. Is there another facility that is making fully functional E-Cat, has a production line, has an advanced RD facility and the US customer has one of these units? Maybe. But we have no proof of that. All we need is ONE photograph of another E-Cat on a production. Rossi claims to be making another 13. Why not post a photo of that line? Will that give away trade secrets? Instead what we get is a video of the 28 Oct BBB. Is that all Rossi has to show? If so I have wasted a lot of my and my companies time and money. AG On 20/01/2012 12:47 AM, Energy Liberator wrote: It's obvious that there is not much going on in that workshop. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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Here is the scenario that best fits all the facts: (1) the container was shipped to a customer in the USA (2) the container wasn't returned to Bologna, per se. (3) the footage in the 12 Jan YT video was older footage (4) the container did not work to the customer's specifications (5) the container was shipped to National Instruments facility for upgrading the controls (note: this is not exactly a return in the AR 'spin') (6) Rossi was in attendance at NI to replace the gaskets and disable the self-destruct mechanism (7) He then caught a red-eye flight back to Bologna that same day and did the interview the following day. That is all consistent - but it still highlights the point that the device was shipped prematurely in October, did not meet customer specifications, and suffers from quiescence - which has been the main point of contention all along (and the main point of the original rumor). Has this systemic problem of quiescence been solved? If Rossi, via NI, has solved the problem - then hat's off to Rossi and to NI. Enough observers are now aware of what is going on in this soap opera, that the interested public should know if the problem has been solved or not - and that should answer the technical question of what is the cause of quiescence?. To me, it is indeed looking like QM entanglement is the best explanation for both the high level of operation, and for the quiescence, and that the RF somehow can restore this precondition. It is remarkably similar to electron tunneling which is at the basis of the computer you are using now, in the sense that low-probability QM reactions have been made thousands of times more probable - due to structuring of the host material. The new controls may simply adapt the time when each of the individual cells is operational. For instance, if there are 50 cells and each can work for 12 hours-on but need 6 hours of RF irradiation to regenerate, then this is not hard to do - so long as the net output (faceplate) is reduced accordingly. That would explain why there has been a downward revision in the pricing. AR may have realized that the original price was fair for 1 MW, but this same unit is now going to be called a 500-650 kW unit at a lower price. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
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EL, My curse is I remember just about everything I see and hear. Sometimes that ability has saved my a$$. Rossi has recently stated the E-Cat facilities and the homes of his employees are heated with E-Cats. AG On 20/01/2012 1:27 AM, Energy Liberator wrote: AG, Not that it changes anything, but why do you expect the facility to be heated by the e-cat? Rossi said that the facility that he was heating with the e-cat was sold to raise funds to take this project further. What is clear is that we just don't know what is going on. I hope Rossi clears this up otherwise it's going to throw a bad light over him and his work. On 19/01/12 14:46, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Daniel, It is also obvious that there are no E-Cats heating that facility in Italy. You may ask is heating needed in a Florida E-Cat manufacturing plant? There are no coolant circulation systems nor heat exchangers attached to the 12 Jan imaged BBB. How can there be any testing of the BBB in operation? There was a single Fat Cat unit in test mode in the next room, with a prototype home E-Cat on the next table. This sure seems like Rossi's Italian RD centre that he talks of. AG
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Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Has this systemic problem of quiescence been solved? As far as I know, there is no such problem. Both Rossi's devices and Defkalion's have run for weeks uninterrupted. What makes you think there is a problem? There is problem making the thing run in self-sustaining mode. That's different. - Jed
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I emailed Andrea Rossi this morning about this issue and recieved the following supply: Of course there has been a misunderstanding due to my bad translation. The 1 MW plant has been accepted and sold ( hence gone) but it remained in our factory of Bologna for fixings and for National Instruments improvements of the control systems. Warm Regards, A.R. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: EL, Yup. The BBB never moved, was never gone, was never shipped, was never returned, is not currently operational and is not in testing despite what Rossi has claimed. Also that facility is not heated with an E-Cat. Is there another facility that is making fully functional E-Cat, has a production line, has an advanced RD facility and the US customer has one of these units? Maybe. But we have no proof of that. All we need is ONE photograph of another E-Cat on a production. Rossi claims to be making another 13. Why not post a photo of that line? Will that give away trade secrets? Instead what we get is a video of the 28 Oct BBB. Is that all Rossi has to show? If so I have wasted a lot of my and my companies time and money. AG On 20/01/2012 12:47 AM, Energy Liberator wrote: It's obvious that there is not much going on in that workshop. -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World http://www.e-catworld.com Author, The Secret Power Beneath https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/
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Daniel, I believe the data I have seen. There is a real product. It works. As an engineer, I believe there is still a LOT of engineer time, money and effort needed to make this a reliable and certifiable product, produced in a ISO 9001/2008 and product certified manufacturing facility that meets customer expectations in terms of reliability, repairability, build quality and performance. Customers today expect, buy it, unpack it, install it, forget it. If the home E-Cat can't deliver on ALL of those simple requirements, it will be a disaster. It is time for Rossi to stop making wish full statements and to start delivering independent black box tests. I can arrange to make that happen as I'm sure many others can do. AG On 20/01/2012 1:22 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: So, just tell me, at least the 1MW models is a fake story? Not talking about the technology, just specifically about the 1MW unit. Because, if that is a fake, it's hard to believe in any other 1MW since these was a kind of fundamental prototype.
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Frank, Thanks for the info! Just for verification: When did you write Rossi the Mail and when was has this same interpretation been posted here on vortex? There was a user which thought of the same interpretation... Wolf I emailed Andrea Rossi this morning about this issue and recieved the following supply: Of course there has been a misunderstanding due to my bad translation. The 1 MW plant has been accepted and sold ( hence gone) but it remained in our factory of Bologna for fixings and for National Instruments improvements of the control systems. Warm Regards, A.R. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: EL, Yup. The BBB never moved, was never gone, was never shipped, was never returned, is not currently operational and is not in testing despite what Rossi has claimed. Also that facility is not heated with an E-Cat. Is there another facility that is making fully functional E-Cat, has a production line, has an advanced RD facility and the US customer has one of these units? Maybe. But we have no proof of that. All we need is ONE photograph of another E-Cat on a production. Rossi claims to be making another 13. Why not post a photo of that line? Will that give away trade secrets? Instead what we get is a video of the 28 Oct BBB. Is that all Rossi has to show? If so I have wasted a lot of my and my companies time and money. AG On 20/01/2012 12:47 AM, Energy Liberator wrote: It's obvious that there is not much going on in that workshop. -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World http://www.e-catworld.com Author, The Secret Power Beneath https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/
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Jones, The BBB was not shipped. Rossi's statement that it was shipped to the customer was not correct. Your statement that it was returned by the customer is also not correct. Jones please stop making up false and misleading statement that either you are making up or your source is making up. AG On 20/01/2012 1:43 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Here is the scenario that best fits all the facts: (1) the container was shipped to a customer in the USA (2) the container wasn't returned to Bologna, per se. (3) the footage in the 12 Jan YT video was older footage (4) the container did not work to the customer's specifications (5) the container was shipped to National Instruments facility for upgrading the controls (note: this is not exactly a return in the AR 'spin') (6) Rossi was in attendance at NI to replace the gaskets and disable the self-destruct mechanism (7) He then caught a red-eye flight back to Bologna that same day and did the interview the following day. That is all consistent - but it still highlights the point that the device was shipped prematurely in October, did not meet customer specifications, and suffers from quiescence - which has been the main point of contention all along (and the main point of the original rumor). Has this systemic problem of quiescence been solved? If Rossi, via NI, has solved the problem - then hat's off to Rossi and to NI. Enough observers are now aware of what is going on in this soap opera, that the interested public should know if the problem has been solved or not - and that should answer the technical question of what is the cause of quiescence?. To me, it is indeed looking like QM entanglement is the best explanation for both the high level of operation, and for the quiescence, and that the RF somehow can restore this precondition. It is remarkably similar to electron tunneling which is at the basis of the computer you are using now, in the sense that low-probability QM reactions have been made thousands of times more probable - due to structuring of the host material. The new controls may simply adapt the time when each of the individual cells is operational. For instance, if there are 50 cells and each can work for 12 hours-on but need 6 hours of RF irradiation to regenerate, then this is not hard to do - so long as the net output (faceplate) is reduced accordingly. That would explain why there has been a downward revision in the pricing. AR may have realized that the original price was fair for 1 MW, but this same unit is now going to be called a 500-650 kW unit at a lower price. Jones
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Rossi wrote: Of course there has been a misunderstanding due to my bad translation. The 1 MW plant has been accepted and sold ( hence gone) but it remained in our factory of Bologna for fixings and for National Instruments improvements of the control systems. It is actually plausible that he meant that. His English is fluent yet poor, and he often confuses the issue. Poor AR seems upset with Rossi. AR: You can't say we didn't warn you! Read my message Rossi often says things he does not mean. Ponder it. You wrote: It is time for Rossi to stop making wish full statements and to start delivering independent black box tests. I can arrange to make that happen as I'm sure many others can do. He does not want to do that. I and many others have been trying to get him to do that for two years. He adamantly absolutely refuses. He will NEVER do that. I assume this is because he has no patent. It is also because he thrives on controversy. He loves confusing and outwitting people, although it often happens that he has not outwitted them; he only imagines he has. He has been playing mind games with you. He can be infuriating. In Japanese culture there was a certain amount of slipperiness to the truth. People often tell lies for social reasons, for what they call the tatemae or facade. No one expects to be believed. It is a little a Kabuki performance. What Rossi is doing resembles an Italian opera performance. Take it as such. Applaud the performance and ignore the content. If you don't believe him in the first place you will not be upset. - Jed
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Terry, Yup. Too right. We design / make the stuff that distances us from the cave. Everything else is just support infrastructure. Engineers rule. We built this world. If you don't think so, burn you house, all your possessions / assets into ash and take a drug to wipe your memory. Then walk naked, with no tools or technology or memory of technology / tools into the jungle and see how long you last. AG On 20/01/2012 12:42 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: I like noise as that is where all the interesting stuff lives. Just don't be demeaning engineers. Just an engineer . . really! We are Yaldabaoth! :-) T
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I wrote just this morning. It was 7:17 a.m. US central time. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote: Frank, Thanks for the info! Just for verification: When did you write Rossi the Mail and when was has this same interpretation been posted here on vortex? There was a user which thought of the same interpretation... Wolf I emailed Andrea Rossi this morning about this issue and recieved the following supply: Of course there has been a misunderstanding due to my bad translation. The 1 MW plant has been accepted and sold ( hence gone) but it remained in our factory of Bologna for fixings and for National Instruments improvements of the control systems. Warm Regards, A.R. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: EL, Yup. The BBB never moved, was never gone, was never shipped, was never returned, is not currently operational and is not in testing despite what Rossi has claimed. Also that facility is not heated with an E-Cat. Is there another facility that is making fully functional E-Cat, has a production line, has an advanced RD facility and the US customer has one of these units? Maybe. But we have no proof of that. All we need is ONE photograph of another E-Cat on a production. Rossi claims to be making another 13. Why not post a photo of that line? Will that give away trade secrets? Instead what we get is a video of the 28 Oct BBB. Is that all Rossi has to show? If so I have wasted a lot of my and my companies time and money. AG On 20/01/2012 12:47 AM, Energy Liberator wrote: It's obvious that there is not much going on in that workshop. -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World http://www.e-catworld.com Author, The Secret Power Beneath https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/ -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World http://www.e-catworld.com Author, The Secret Power Beneath https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: All we need is ONE photograph of another E-Cat on a production. He has to solve the eCat-napping problem before he can proceed. It might require another geometry change. Pity he can't hire those scientists from DGT. T
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Jed, Please don't try to rewrite history as other will now tear this fabricated story apart. The internet has a very good memory and Rossi has enemies. Rossi said he was attending the US customer's site, to assist with the install and commissioning. As we now know, that never happened as the plant never shipped. Was this also a translation problem? The only way for Rossi to save this is to allow independent testing, to at least verify the basic Oct 6 E-Cat data. AG On 20/01/2012 2:09 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Rossi wrote: Of course there has been a misunderstanding due to my bad translation. The 1 MW plant has been accepted and sold ( hence gone) but it remained in our factory of Bologna for fixings and for National Instruments improvements of the control systems. It is actually plausible that he meant that. His English is fluent yet poor, and he often confuses the issue. Poor AR seems upset with Rossi. AR: You can't say we didn't warn you! Read my message Rossi often says things he does not mean. Ponder it. You wrote: It is time for Rossi to stop making wish full statements and to start delivering independent black box tests. I can arrange to make that happen as I'm sure many others can do. He does not want to do that. I and many others have been trying to get him to do that for two years. He adamantly absolutely refuses. He will NEVER do that. I assume this is because he has no patent. It is also because he thrives on controversy. He loves confusing and outwitting people, although it often happens that he has not outwitted them; he only imagines he has. He has been playing mind games with you. He can be infuriating. In Japanese culture there was a certain amount of slipperiness to the truth. People often tell lies for social reasons, for what they call the tatemae or facade. No one expects to be believed. It is a little a Kabuki performance. What Rossi is doing resembles an Italian opera performance. Take it as such. Applaud the performance and ignore the content. If you don't believe him in the first place you will not be upset. - Jed
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As far as I am correct, you should have received the mail from andre_vortex at about 8:01 a.m. US central time. When did Rossi answer? But perhaps this is just too paranoid from my side and just not worth the thought... Wolf I wrote just this morning. It was 7:17 a.m. US central time. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de mailto:wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote: Frank, Thanks for the info! Just for verification: When did you write Rossi the Mail and when was has this same interpretation been posted here on vortex? There was a user which thought of the same interpretation... Wolf I emailed Andrea Rossi this morning about this issue and recieved the following supply: Of course there has been a misunderstanding due to my bad translation. The 1 MW plant has been accepted and sold ( hence gone) but it remained in our factory of Bologna for fixings and for National Instruments improvements of the control systems. Warm Regards, A.R. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: EL, Yup. The BBB never moved, was never gone, was never shipped, was never returned, is not currently operational and is not in testing despite what Rossi has claimed. Also that facility is not heated with an E-Cat. Is there another facility that is making fully functional E-Cat, has a production line, has an advanced RD facility and the US customer has one of these units? Maybe. But we have no proof of that. All we need is ONE photograph of another E-Cat on a production. Rossi claims to be making another 13. Why not post a photo of that line? Will that give away trade secrets? Instead what we get is a video of the 28 Oct BBB. Is that all Rossi has to show? If so I have wasted a lot of my and my companies time and money. AG On 20/01/2012 12:47 AM, Energy Liberator wrote: It's obvious that there is not much going on in that workshop. -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World http://www.e-catworld.com Author, The Secret Power Beneath https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/ -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World http://www.e-catworld.com Author, The Secret Power Beneath https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/
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Whilst that confirms that the plant never left the facility, seeing the facility so empty and devoid of activity certainly doesn't look like a there is much research, or optimisation work going on with NI or any other partner engineers. Of course it is possible that the work is going on at another location on a couple of sample fat cats removed from the 1MW plant. For all we know NI have a couple of fat cats sitting in their workshop in the US to play with. We can only wait and see. I do admit that it is a little disappointing though and I'm sure ecat.com didn't expect this sort of backlash from their video. On 19/01/12 15:27, Frank Acland wrote: I emailed Andrea Rossi this morning about this issue and recieved the following supply: " Of course there has been a misunderstanding due to my bad translation. The 1 MW plant has been accepted and sold ( hence "gone") but it remained in our factory of Bologna for fixings and for National Instruments improvements of the control systems. Warm Regards, A.R." On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: EL, Yup. The BBB never moved, was never gone, was never shipped, was never returned, is not currently operational and is not in testing despite what Rossi has claimed. Also that facility is not heated with an E-Cat. Is there another facility that is making fully functional E-Cat, has a production line, has an advanced RD facility and the US customer has one of these units? Maybe. But we have no proof of that. All we need is ONE photograph of another E-Cat on a production. Rossi claims to be making another 13. Why not post a photo of that line? Will that give away trade secrets? Instead what we get is a video of the 28 Oct BBB. Is that all Rossi has to show? If so I have wasted a lot of my and my companies time and money. AG
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Terry, DFG has shown NOTHING. When they do their first public demo, like Rossi has done a dozen times, and not post some report from a private lab somewhere, I'll start to look at their claims. At the moment they want 30 million Euro up front to make a max 300k Hyperions a year. Not from this little black duck. AG On 20/01/2012 2:15 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: All we need is ONE photograph of another E-Cat on a production. He has to solve the eCat-napping problem before he can proceed. It might require another geometry change. Pity he can't hire those scientists from DGT. T
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AG: How do you know it was not shipped? -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat Jones, The BBB was not shipped.
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OK - so Rossi, having been caught in several mistranslations is now saying that that the BBB never left Bologna ... and the fanboys are happy once again? What a crock ... From: Frank Acland I emailed Andrea Rossi this morning about this issue and received the following reply: Of course there has been a misunderstanding due to my bad translation. The 1 MW plant has been accepted and sold ( hence gone) but it remained in our factory of Bologna for fixings and for National Instruments improvements of the control systems. Warm Regards, A.R. attachment: winmail.dat
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Jones, I have my sources. Horses mouth sort of sources. 100% accurate. AG On 20/01/2012 2:28 AM, Jones Beene wrote: AG: How do you know it was not shipped? -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat Jones, The BBB was not shipped.
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I wonder if Rossi would allow someone to come in and see/photograph the state of his warehouse today? That might clear up a lot of confusion. John
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I am confused about you attitude. Why do you want independent tests if the thing is real, at least for you? 2012/1/19 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com Jones, I have my sources. Horses mouth sort of sources. 100% accurate. AG On 20/01/2012 2:28 AM, Jones Beene wrote: AG: How do you know it was not shipped? -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat Jones, The BBB was not shipped. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Jones, WTF? You think I'm a happy camper? My board will hang me out to dry, after kicking my ass so much my nose bleeds. That said I still believe the E-Cat data I have seen. It works. It needs work before it can be sold in a litigious world. Simple as that. AG On 20/01/2012 2:34 AM, Jones Beene wrote: OK - so Rossi, having been caught in several mistranslations is now saying that that the BBB never left Bologna ... and the fanboys are happy once again? What a crock ... From: Frank Acland I emailed Andrea Rossi this morning about this issue and received the following reply: Of course there has been a misunderstanding due to my bad translation. The 1 MW plant has been accepted and sold ( hence gone) but it remained in our factory of Bologna for fixings and for National Instruments improvements of the control systems. Warm Regards, A.R.
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And yet, you insist that he COULDN'T have confused and outwitted the people attending his demonstrations? From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com He loves confusing and outwitting people, although it often happens that he has not outwitted them; he only imagines he has. He has been playing mind games with you. - Jed
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AG I disagree.Builders are the Kings Builders \Carpenters have been building the houses for 1000s of years , the tables , the chairs , the boats Noah was a Builder , JC was a builder Engineers have really only been around 300 years or less The engineers I know just push buttons on a calculator , look up a book and say This works, I know it lol About time you guys had a bit of fun Poor Old Rossi busting his buns , while others theorise wether hes a cheat Big Picture it really doesnt matter The word where I am is , that Rossi , DFK , Mills , Pinatli, FP reactions are real The only problem it not easy to replicate or control Has anyone here attempted to load Ni , Fe , Ca and Cu and heat it up Pete (The Mad QLD Builder) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 02:13:58 +1030 From: aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com Terry, Yup. Too right. We design / make the stuff that distances us from the cave. Everything else is just support infrastructure. Engineers rule. We built this world. If you don't think so, burn you house, all your possessions / assets into ash and take a drug to wipe your memory. Then walk naked, with no tools or technology or memory of technology / tools into the jungle and see how long you last. AG On 20/01/2012 12:42 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: I like noise as that is where all the interesting stuff lives. Just don't be demeaning engineers. Just an engineer . . really! We are Yaldabaoth! :-) T
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This is absolutely hilarious. ROTFL This Aussie guy whose real name he refuses to divulge - has been flooding this forum with BS crap from Rossi for months. Now he suddenly has an inside line to the horse's mouth and wants everyone to forget the disinformation he has been spreading in the past. AG: get a life - and please - find a new forum to spout your nonsense. We do not need it here. Jones -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat Jones, The BBB was not shipped. Rossi's statement that it was shipped to the customer was not correct. Your statement that it was returned by the customer is also not correct. Jones please stop making up false and misleading statement that either you are making up or your source is making up. AG
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Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Please don't try to rewrite history as other will now tear this fabricated story apart. He has fabricated dozens of stories! You can't rewrite history with Rossi because no one ever knows what is true in the first place. The internet has a very good memory and Rossi has enemies. Yes. That is his own fault. Rossi said he was attending the US customer's site, to assist with the install and commissioning. As we now know, that never happened as the plant never shipped. Was this also a translation problem? No, that was just Rossi being Rossi, and shooting his mouth off. I learned years ago to ignore that kind of thing. The only way for Rossi to save this is to allow independent testing, to at least verify the basic Oct 6 E-Cat data. That he will never do. As McKubre says, he wants chaos. He wants people to think he has nothing. That is his business strategy. It has been all along. He thrives on controversy. He stirs it up deliberately. In many ways, he is not a nice person. Deal with it. As I have often said, I would not recommend doing business with him. - Jed
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Daniel, At the moment Rossi's opponents will clean up the floor with what he has said. The only thing that will save Rossi and the E-Cat is to say Company XYZ will be doing a 1 week public trial and test of the latest E-Cat module. All the data, testing equipment and test protocols will be publicly available. Additionally independent calorimetry experts will access the test setup, test equipment and test protocols meets best current world practice. Then we can move forward from a firm base. Anything else is quicksand. AG On 20/01/2012 2:41 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I am confused about you attitude. Why do you want independent tests if the thing is real, at least for you?
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In 1974 Billy Preston predicted the rise of Andrea Rossi Nothing from Nothing leaves Nothing while we all search for something... On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel, At the moment Rossi's opponents will clean up the floor with what he has said. The only thing that will save Rossi and the E-Cat is to say Company XYZ will be doing a 1 week public trial and test of the latest E-Cat module. All the data, testing equipment and test protocols will be publicly available. Additionally independent calorimetry experts will access the test setup, test equipment and test protocols meets best current world practice. Then we can move forward from a firm base. Anything else is quicksand. AG On 20/01/2012 2:41 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I am confused about you attitude. Why do you want independent tests if the thing is real, at least for you?
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Jed, This is more than chaos. He has buried himself. How can anybody believe a word of what he says anymore? He did not ship the plant. The plant is not in test by anybody. There is no NI control system hooked to that plant. The plant is not operational. There is no circulation system or heat exchanger load. Is there really a customer who will paid $2 million and are OK to have the plant still not delivered or working or hooked to a test system? Is there really a US factory? Is there really a order for 12 more E-Cat plants? Is there really another 1 MW customer? Is there really a 10 kW home E-Cat that will retail for $500 and can be refilled for $10 by a home owner in the winter of 2012? Every statement Rossi has made is now in question. If he doesn't do a public test, REAL SOON, he and the E-Cat are dead. AG On 20/01/2012 2:51 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Please don't try to rewrite history as other will now tear this fabricated story apart. He has fabricated dozens of stories! You can't rewrite history with Rossi because no one ever knows what is true in the first place. The internet has a very good memory and Rossi has enemies. Yes. That is his own fault. Rossi said he was attending the US customer's site, to assist with the install and commissioning. As we now know, that never happened as the plant never shipped. Was this also a translation problem? No, that was just Rossi being Rossi, and shooting his mouth off. I learned years ago to ignore that kind of thing. The only way for Rossi to save this is to allow independent testing, to at least verify the basic Oct 6 E-Cat data. That he will never do. As McKubre says, he wants chaos. He wants people to think he has nothing. That is his business strategy. It has been all along. He thrives on controversy. He stirs it up deliberately. In many ways, he is not a nice person. Deal with it. As I have often said, I would not recommend doing business with him. - Jed
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What about you and your secret sources? 2012/1/19 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com Daniel, At the moment Rossi's opponents will clean up the floor with what he has said. The only thing that will save Rossi and the E-Cat is to say Company XYZ will be doing a 1 week public trial and test of the latest E-Cat module. All the data, testing equipment and test protocols will be publicly available. Additionally independent calorimetry experts will access the test setup, test equipment and test protocols meets best current world practice. Then we can move forward from a firm base. Anything else is quicksand. AG On 20/01/2012 2:41 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I am confused about you attitude. Why do you want independent tests if the thing is real, at least for you? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Jones, What is crap was the statement you made about the plant being returned by the customer. Just made it up did you? Every part of that statement is now seen to be imaginary. The only nonsense is coming from you. AG On 20/01/2012 2:49 AM, Jones Beene wrote: This is absolutely hilarious. ROTFL This Aussie guy whose real name he refuses to divulge - has been flooding this forum with BS crap from Rossi for months. Now he suddenly has an inside line to the horse's mouth and wants everyone to forget the disinformation he has been spreading in the past. AG: get a life - and please - find a new forum to spout your nonsense. We do not need it here. Jones -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat Jones, The BBB was not shipped. Rossi's statement that it was shipped to the customer was not correct. Your statement that it was returned by the customer is also not correct. Jones please stop making up false and misleading statement that either you are making up or your source is making up. AG
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Hello Aussie Guy How are your smots and SunCubes going these days? Hi Friends I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid for a SMOT unit from Greg Watson I never received it ... Greg Watson wrote: Hi Randy, You need to checkout the site I have created which has ample proof that the Prometheus Effect, at the heart of the SMOT device, is OU: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ You will get your SMOT complete with a new real time measurement system which allows rapid ramp adjustment to obtain max OU energy creation. I expect to start shipping unit in about 2 months so anyone else who didn't get or want their money back, just send me your delivery details. All the best, Greg Watson *
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From AG: Jed, This is more than chaos. He has buried himself. How can anybody believe a word of what he says anymore? He did not ship the plant. The plant is not in test by anybody. There is no NI control system hooked to that plant. The plant is not operational. There is no circulation system or heat exchanger load. Is there really a customer who will paid $2 million and are OK to have the plant still not delivered or working or hooked to a test system? Is there really a US factory? Is there really a order for 12 more E-Cat plants? Is there really another 1 MW customer? Is there really a 10 kW home E-Cat that will retail for $500 and can be refilled for $10 by a home owner in the winter of 2012? Every statement Rossi has made is now in question. If he doesn't do a public test, REAL SOON, he and the E-Cat are dead. There is a psychological term for what is happening here. It's called catastrophysizing. See What is Catastrophizing?: http://psychcentral.com/lib/2007/what-is-catastrophizing/ Chill out. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Peter, Good engineers are builders. I get more grease under my nails, bruises and burns than my maintenance guys do. Good engineers lead by example and lead from the front. Sure I sometimes use my gut feelings but that feeling has been through a tough learning curve. I trust it as do others and it is almost never wrong. AG On 20/01/2012 2:49 AM, Peter B wrote: AG I disagree.Builders are the Kings Builders \Carpenters have been building the houses for 1000s of years , the tables , the chairs , the boats Noah was a Builder , JC was a builder Engineers have really only been around 300 years or less The engineers I know just push buttons on a calculator , look up a book and say This works, I know it lol About time you guys had a bit of fun Poor Old Rossi busting his buns , while others theorise wether hes a cheat Big Picture it really doesnt matter The word where I am is , that Rossi , DFK , Mills , Pinatli, FP reactions are real The only problem it not easy to replicate or control Has anyone here attempted to load Ni , Fe , Ca and Cu and heat it up Pete (The Mad QLD Builder) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 02:13:58 +1030 From: aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com Terry, Yup. Too right. We design / make the stuff that distances us from the cave. Everything else is just support infrastructure. Engineers rule. We built this world. If you don't think so, burn you house, all your possessions / assets into ash and take a drug to wipe your memory. Then walk naked, with no tools or technology or memory of technology / tools into the jungle and see how long you last. AG On 20/01/2012 12:42 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: I like noise as that is where all the interesting stuff lives. Just don't be demeaning engineers. Just an engineer . . really! We are Yaldabaoth! :-) T
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And yet, you insist that he COULDN'T have confused and outwitted the people attending his demonstrations? Good point John. who on earth has Rossi outwitted, except these people (and the US taxpayers, in the TEG work a few years back) ? Certainly not DGT ! They played Rossi like a drum . . they maneuvered the fool to personally renege, verbally and emphatically in public - on the original contract. when AR could have bought time otherwise. That was 100,000,000 Euros at stake, and completely lost to Rossi though his own egotistical ranting - and DGT played him to perfection. Jones From: John Milstone And yet, you insist that he COULDN'T have confused and outwitted the people attending his demonstrations? _ From: Jed Rothwell He loves confusing and outwitting people, although it often happens that he has not outwitted them; he only imagines he has. He has been playing mind games with you. - Jed
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Steven, It is almost 4am here. Time for me to chill out and get some sleep. AG On 20/01/2012 3:10 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: From AG: Jed, This is more than chaos. He has buried himself. How can anybody believe a word of what he says anymore? He did not ship the plant. The plant is not in test by anybody. There is no NI control system hooked to that plant. The plant is not operational. There is no circulation system or heat exchanger load. Is there really a customer who will paid $2 million and are OK to have the plant still not delivered or working or hooked to a test system? Is there really a US factory? Is there really a order for 12 more E-Cat plants? Is there really another 1 MW customer? Is there really a 10 kW home E-Cat that will retail for $500 and can be refilled for $10 by a home owner in the winter of 2012? Every statement Rossi has made is now in question. If he doesn't do a public test, REAL SOON, he and the E-Cat are dead. There is a psychological term for what is happening here. It's called catastrophysizing. See What is Catastrophizing?: http://psychcentral.com/lib/2007/what-is-catastrophizing/ Chill out. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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So Aussie Guy is Greg Watson? No wonder he does not want his name known on this forum. Eff - How did you find this out? From: Eff Wivakeef Hello Aussie Guy How are your smots and SunCubes going these days? Hi Friends I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid for a SMOT unit from Greg Watson I never received it ... Greg Watson wrote: Hi Randy, You need to checkout the site I have created which has ample proof that the Prometheus Effect, at the heart of the SMOT device, is OU: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ You will get your SMOT complete with a new real time measurement system which allows rapid ramp adjustment to obtain max OU energy creation. I expect to start shipping unit in about 2 months so anyone else who didn't get or want their money back, just send me your delivery details. All the best, Greg Watson *
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Greg Watson aka Aussie Guy It is time for you to stop pulling your pudding! From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, 19 January 2012 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com Steven, It is almost 4am here. Time for me to chill out and get some sleep. AG
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Hi AG I was just trying to lighten the tone tonight , the children are sure in a cranky mood tonight Are you doing any kind of testing your self , even if you cant control the tests , any kind of small reaction would mean hope That physists Piantelli sealed it for me Ive been slowly purchasing and prep , should be ready to do some testing in 2 months Peter Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:14:24 +1030 From: aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com Peter, Good engineers are builders. I get more grease under my nails, bruises and burns than my maintenance guys do. Good engineers lead by example and lead from the front. Sure I sometimes use my gut feelings but that feeling has been through a tough learning curve. I trust it as do others and it is almost never wrong. AG On 20/01/2012 2:49 AM, Peter B wrote: AG I disagree.Builders are the Kings Builders \Carpenters have been building the houses for 1000s of years , the tables , the chairs , the boats Noah was a Builder , JC was a builder Engineers have really only been around 300 years or less The engineers I know just push buttons on a calculator , look up a book and say This works, I know it lol About time you guys had a bit of fun Poor Old Rossi busting his buns , while others theorise wether hes a cheat Big Picture it really doesnt matter The word where I am is , that Rossi , DFK , Mills , Pinatli, FP reactions are real The only problem it not easy to replicate or control Has anyone here attempted to load Ni , Fe , Ca and Cu and heat it up Pete (The Mad QLD Builder) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 02:13:58 +1030 From: aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com Terry, Yup. Too right. We design / make the stuff that distances us from the cave. Everything else is just support infrastructure. Engineers rule. We built this world. If you don't think so, burn you house, all your possessions / assets into ash and take a drug to wipe your memory. Then walk naked, with no tools or technology or memory of technology / tools into the jungle and see how long you last. AG On 20/01/2012 12:42 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: I like noise as that is where all the interesting stuff lives. Just don't be demeaning engineers. Just an engineer . . really! We are Yaldabaoth! :-) T
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: So Aussie Guy is Greg Watson? ROFLMAOPIP! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXZMZ-XvvzI T
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Yup, you can count on it. Look at his stylecoal face of engineering bleeding edge blah de blah AND he always uses It's instead of Its Because he is an ignorant FOOL and totally full of shit. Here is a lovely testimonial from one of his SunCube victims No good news for suncubes. The some have worked for a day or 2 and some have run for a few weeks, it’s a long way from what Greg claims, They started falling apart within 9 months of installation for which greg blames the Indian manufacturer, even though he has put in at least 20 hours on average on each suncube, Possibly closer to 30 hours, lens are falling out, again the fault of the Indians and now the lens maker. The list of excuses is endless. I believe if Greg wrote a book of excuses he would make more money that he ever can legitimately with the suncubes. Early days his true nature revealed he was always blaming others for his shortcomings and never taking responsibility himself, even though he put so many hours on each cube, when I realized his nature of blaming I did not touch or have any input into the cubes so he didn’t have any excuse to blame me. Many times when he could not sort the issues he would claim his Malaria had come back and had to run back to Australia, Once he claimed he picked up malaria in Bangkok, After I assured him that could not happen he came up with it was a type of malaria the reoccurs. He blamed external spiking for damage issues even though there were serious reliability issues when not connected to the grid. I have a theory some of the things that happened with the cubes were created by Greg to remove the blame from himself, evidence of that I will keep to myself in case it is needed in a court case that I will take against him. From the day the suncubes arrived here in Bangkok it has been a disaster, as well as the license fee it has cost me more that double that in buying parts for him , running him around, picking up and dropping him off, costs of setting up finance for projects with our bankers, not to mention my partners and my credibility with government departments and contractors. He hides behind the internet, wont talk on skype as he doesn’t want people who know the real story hear him telling lies, he wont return emails . he wont answer his phone, all he does is send text messages like a teenager which are attempts at stalling what he doesn’t realize the inevitable action against him. Some pics attached of the suncubes, or should I call them OFFsuncubes chasing birds or butterflies, everything except the sun. Note the bowing of the lens after new lens were installed by Greg Hi Greggy, have a great day!
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Because I have been on the bastards case for fooking YEARS! http://www.lavanlegal.com.au/index.php/publications/publicationdetail/proving_the_width_of_publication_of_online_defamation_how_wide_is_the_audie From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, 19 January 2012 4:52 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com So Aussie Guy is Greg Watson? No wonder he does not want his name known on this forum. Eff - How did you find this out? From:Eff Wivakeef Hello Aussie Guy How are your smots and SunCubes going these days? Hi Friends I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid for a SMOT unit from Greg Watson I never received it ... Greg Watson wrote: Hi Randy, You need to checkout the site I have created which has ample proof that the Prometheus Effect, at the heart of the SMOT device, is OU: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prometheus_effect/ You will get your SMOT complete with a new real time measurement system which allows rapid ramp adjustment to obtain max OU energy creation. I expect to start shipping unit in about 2 months so anyone else who didn't get or want their money back, just send me your delivery details. All the best, Greg Watson ·
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Hey Terry Check out Greg's posts on Whirlpool http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1660945# about the stupid SunCube then check out aussie guy posts about the stupid Ecat http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1782041# Also Aussie Guy posts on Peak Oil http://peakoil.com/forums/aussie-guy-u39643.html Same old Greg Same old BULLSHIT Sweet dreams (asshole!)
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Energy Liberator energylibera...@gmail.com wrote: It's also possible Rossi was expecting the plant to be shipped when he made that comment after which he and the customer decided to leave the plant where it was and work on it in Bologna. This is why one should doubt Rossi's commercial claims of stability, safety, manufacturing capability, certification etc. He routinely presents them as if they have already been realized. Unfortunately, this has the effect of making *all* his claims appear bogus. Harry
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GOOD WORK ! This is like a good B.M. after months of constipation. From: Eff Wivakeef Because I have been on the bastards case for fooking YEARS! http://www.lavanlegal.com.au/index.php/publications/publicationdetail/provin g_the_width_of_publication_of_online_defamation_how_wide_is_the_audie From: Jones Beene So Aussie Guy is Greg Watson? No wonder he does not want his name known on this forum. Eff - How did you find this out? From: Eff Wivakeef Hello Aussie Guy How are your smots and SunCubes going these days? attachment: winmail.dat
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: All we need is ONE photograph of another E-Cat on a production. Rossi claims to be making another 13. Why not post a photo of that line? Will that give away trade secrets? Instead what we get is a video of the 28 Oct BBB. Is that all Rossi has to show? I am sorry for your possibly wasted time and money however it's been true since last January that Rossi could work out a way to get an official test from his the University of Bologna without giving away trade secrets. Why not do *that* now? Even a photo of another BBB being assembled wouldn't tell you that it works. The same objections have always applied to Defkalion. I never bought the trade secret argument because of all the dog and pony shows. If you don't want to give away any information at ll to the competition, you don't invite major news media and reasonably well known scientists to your demonstrations. A good example of how a proper product is brought out is the Bloom Box. It was installed at several prestigious companies who had bought, thoroughly tested, and used prototypes before any public news releases were made. Then, the device was shown working and the pleased customers were interviewed. Before the big reveal, *nothing* much was said or shown to the press and there were no big claims. Here's a cite from the Wikipedia entry: The CEO gave a media interview (to *Fortune Magazinehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_Magazine *) for the first time in 2010, eight years after founding the company, because of pressure from his customers.[11]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_Energy_Server#cite_note-bstfort-10A few days later he allowed a journalist (Lesley Stahl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesley_Stahl of the CBS Newshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBS_Newsprogram *60 Minutes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60_Minutes*) to see the factory for the first time.[19]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_Energy_Server#cite_note-gtm-18On February 24, 2010, the company held its first press conference. [15]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_Energy_Server#cite_note-mercnews-14 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_Energy_Server
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: It is time for Rossi to stop making wish full statements and to start delivering independent black box tests. I can arrange to make that happen as I'm sure many others can do. Thank you, thank you, thank you. It was time for that immediately after Levi's February experiment which supposedly produced a 130 kW surge and continuous power in the tens of kW range back last February using the temperature change in liquid coolant for measuring enthalpy. I am willing to make a reasonable bet that such tests will not happen.
