Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Andre Engels]

For the BBC article, see http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Pharos  wrote:
> The Wikipedia aspect was highlighted on the BBC and other sites in earlier
> stories, before the other events happened.
>
> Thanks,
> Pharos
>
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>
>> Now on the front page of the New York Times website:
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/world/europe/turkey-
>> purge-wikipedia-tv-dating-shows.html
>>
>> Wikipedia was mentioned, but not highlighted, by the BBC:
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39759050
>>
>> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Pharos]

The Wikipedia aspect was highlighted on the BBC and other sites in earlier
stories, before the other events happened.

Thanks,
Pharos

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Now on the front page of the New York Times website:
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/world/europe/turkey-
> purge-wikipedia-tv-dating-shows.html
>
> Wikipedia was mentioned, but not highlighted, by the BBC:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39759050
>
> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Pine W]

Now on the front page of the New York Times website:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/world/europe/turkey-purge-wikipedia-tv-dating-shows.html

Wikipedia was mentioned, but not highlighted, by the BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39759050

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Gregory Varnum]

Greetings,

We wanted to share with you all a blog post and more detailed statement we have 
just published: 
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/04/30/turkish-authorities-block-wikipedia/ 


Thank you, everyone, for your patience!

-greg



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> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Isarra Yos  wrote:
> 
> This is a great way for them to ensure the rest of the world sees those 
> articles. Sort of. Bit inconveniencing to everyone actually IN Turkey...
> 
> -I
> 
> On 30/04/17 12:40, geni wrote:
>> FWIW the two articles the Turkish state is apparently complaining about are:
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Turkey
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Turkey
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Isarra Yos]

This is a great way for them to ensure the rest of the world sees those 
articles. Sort of. Bit inconveniencing to everyone actually IN Turkey...


-I

On 30/04/17 12:40, geni wrote:

FWIW the two articles the Turkish state is apparently complaining about are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Turkey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Turkey





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[geni]

On 29 April 2017 at 22:11, Juliet Barbara  wrote:
> Thank you, everyone, for your messages regarding the situation in Turkey.
> As you can imagine, this has been a very busy time for the Wikimedia
> Foundation's Legal, Communications, Technical Operations, and Community
> Engagement departments, and we apologize for not being able to respond to
> Wikimedia-l sooner.
>
>
> We are planning to publish a statement on the Wikimedia blog soon. In the
> meantime, we have been handling media and other inquiries with the
> following short statement, which we shared with the Communications
> Committee (ComCom) earlier this morning:
>
>
> "The Wikimedia Foundation has learned that access to Wikipedia has been
> blocked in Turkey as of Saturday, April 29th. Wikipedia is a rich and
> valuable source of neutral, reliable information in hundreds of languages,
> written by volunteers around the world. We are committed to ensuring that
> Wikipedia remains available to the millions of people who rely on it in
> Turkey. To that end, we are actively working with outside counsel to seek
> judicial review of the decision affecting access to Wikipedia. We hope the
> issue can be resolved promptly."
>
>
> We will continue to do our best to monitor this discussion, but I ask for
> your patience as we are managing inquiries coming in from multiple places.
>
>
> If you are receiving media inquiries about this, please contact
> pr...@wikimedia.org and we will be able to assist you. At this point, we
> believe that the most valuable point Wikimedians can make on behalf of
> Wikipedia is explaining its value as an educational resource.
>
>
> Thank you!
>
> Juliet
>


FWIW the two articles the Turkish state is apparently complaining about are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Turkey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Turkey


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geni

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Juliet Barbara]

Lodewijk -Thanks for your suggestion. We would totally agree!

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 3:53 PM, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the update!
> I guess people will support WMFs decisions in this case!
>
> John
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Juliet Barbara <jbarb...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you, everyone, for your messages regarding the situation in Turkey.
> > As you can imagine, this has been a very busy time for the Wikimedia
> > Foundation's Legal, Communications, Technical Operations, and Community
> > Engagement departments, and we apologize for not being able to respond to
> > Wikimedia-l sooner.
> >
> >
> > We are planning to publish a statement on the Wikimedia blog soon. In the
> > meantime, we have been handling media and other inquiries with the
> > following short statement, which we shared with the Communications
> > Committee (ComCom) earlier this morning:
> >
> >
> > "The Wikimedia Foundation has learned that access to Wikipedia has been
> > blocked in Turkey as of Saturday, April 29th. Wikipedia is a rich and
> > valuable source of neutral, reliable information in hundreds of
> languages,
> > written by volunteers around the world. We are committed to ensuring that
> > Wikipedia remains available to the millions of people who rely on it in
> > Turkey. To that end, we are actively working with outside counsel to seek
> > judicial review of the decision affecting access to Wikipedia. We hope
> the
> > issue can be resolved promptly."
> >
> >
> > We will continue to do our best to monitor this discussion, but I ask for
> > your patience as we are managing inquiries coming in from multiple
> places.
> >
> >
> > If you are receiving media inquiries about this, please contact
> > pr...@wikimedia.org and we will be able to assist you. At this point, we
> > believe that the most valuable point Wikimedians can make on behalf of
> > Wikipedia is explaining its value as an educational resource.
> >
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Juliet
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Peter Southwood <
> > peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >
> > > False dichotomy
> > > Cheers,
> > > P
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors
> > > Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block
> > Wikipedia
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]".  Of course the
> > > implication is that everyone else does ...
> > >
> > > "Rogol"
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Primarily this is those who sign the statement  on meta.
> > > >
> > > > On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > > > If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then
> > > > > your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual.  If you are
> > > > > specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for
> "us".
> > > > >
> > > > > "Rogol"
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > @ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
> > > > support
> > > > > > terrorism."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > J
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > > > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with.  WhiIe
> > > > > > > left it
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
> > > > > > contradiction, I
> > > > > > > think it misees the point.  

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[John Erling Blad]

Thanks for the update!
I guess people will support WMFs decisions in this case!

John

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Juliet Barbara <jbarb...@wikimedia.org>
wrote:

> Thank you, everyone, for your messages regarding the situation in Turkey.
> As you can imagine, this has been a very busy time for the Wikimedia
> Foundation's Legal, Communications, Technical Operations, and Community
> Engagement departments, and we apologize for not being able to respond to
> Wikimedia-l sooner.
>
>
> We are planning to publish a statement on the Wikimedia blog soon. In the
> meantime, we have been handling media and other inquiries with the
> following short statement, which we shared with the Communications
> Committee (ComCom) earlier this morning:
>
>
> "The Wikimedia Foundation has learned that access to Wikipedia has been
> blocked in Turkey as of Saturday, April 29th. Wikipedia is a rich and
> valuable source of neutral, reliable information in hundreds of languages,
> written by volunteers around the world. We are committed to ensuring that
> Wikipedia remains available to the millions of people who rely on it in
> Turkey. To that end, we are actively working with outside counsel to seek
> judicial review of the decision affecting access to Wikipedia. We hope the
> issue can be resolved promptly."
>
>
> We will continue to do our best to monitor this discussion, but I ask for
> your patience as we are managing inquiries coming in from multiple places.
>
>
> If you are receiving media inquiries about this, please contact
> pr...@wikimedia.org and we will be able to assist you. At this point, we
> believe that the most valuable point Wikimedians can make on behalf of
> Wikipedia is explaining its value as an educational resource.
>
>
> Thank you!
>
> Juliet
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Peter Southwood <
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > False dichotomy
> > Cheers,
> > P
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors
> > Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block
> Wikipedia
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]".  Of course the
> > implication is that everyone else does ...
> >
> > "Rogol"
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Primarily this is those who sign the statement  on meta.
> > >
> > > On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > > If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then
> > > > your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual.  If you are
> > > > specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
> > > >
> > > > "Rogol"
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > @ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
> > > support
> > > > > terrorism."
> > > > >
> > > > > J
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with.  WhiIe
> > > > > > left it
> > > > is
> > > > > > very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
> > > > > contradiction, I
> > > > > > think it misees the point.  We provide information, neutral
> > > > information.
> > > > > > Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
> > > encourages
> > > > > > certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information
> > > > > > with
> > > the
> > > > > > goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
> > > > neutral,
> > > > > > reliable sourgent,  thus defeating any such goal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't
> > > > > > support terrorism, tha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Lodewijk]

Thanks Juliet.

All: maybe it's good to wait with 'community statements' until the official
WMF statement comes with some more facts? That would probably help with
reducing mixed messaging. Especially in a volatile situation like this,
where pushing the wrong buttons could potentially make things... more
complicated.

Thanks,
Lodewijk

2017-04-29 23:11 GMT+02:00 Juliet Barbara <jbarb...@wikimedia.org>:

> Thank you, everyone, for your messages regarding the situation in Turkey.
> As you can imagine, this has been a very busy time for the Wikimedia
> Foundation's Legal, Communications, Technical Operations, and Community
> Engagement departments, and we apologize for not being able to respond to
> Wikimedia-l sooner.
>
>
> We are planning to publish a statement on the Wikimedia blog soon. In the
> meantime, we have been handling media and other inquiries with the
> following short statement, which we shared with the Communications
> Committee (ComCom) earlier this morning:
>
>
> "The Wikimedia Foundation has learned that access to Wikipedia has been
> blocked in Turkey as of Saturday, April 29th. Wikipedia is a rich and
> valuable source of neutral, reliable information in hundreds of languages,
> written by volunteers around the world. We are committed to ensuring that
> Wikipedia remains available to the millions of people who rely on it in
> Turkey. To that end, we are actively working with outside counsel to seek
> judicial review of the decision affecting access to Wikipedia. We hope the
> issue can be resolved promptly."
>
>
> We will continue to do our best to monitor this discussion, but I ask for
> your patience as we are managing inquiries coming in from multiple places.
>
>
> If you are receiving media inquiries about this, please contact
> pr...@wikimedia.org and we will be able to assist you. At this point, we
> believe that the most valuable point Wikimedians can make on behalf of
> Wikipedia is explaining its value as an educational resource.
>
>
> Thank you!
>
> Juliet
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Peter Southwood <
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > False dichotomy
> > Cheers,
> > P
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors
> > Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block
> Wikipedia
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]".  Of course the
> > implication is that everyone else does ...
> >
> > "Rogol"
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Primarily this is those who sign the statement  on meta.
> > >
> > > On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > > If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then
> > > > your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual.  If you are
> > > > specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
> > > >
> > > > "Rogol"
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > @ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
> > > support
> > > > > terrorism."
> > > > >
> > > > > J
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with.  WhiIe
> > > > > > left it
> > > > is
> > > > > > very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
> > > > > contradiction, I
> > > > > > think it misees the point.  We provide information, neutral
> > > > information.
> > > > > > Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
> > > encourages
> > > > > > certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information
> > > > > > with
> > > the
> > > > > > goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
> > > > neutral,
>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Juliet Barbara]

Thank you, everyone, for your messages regarding the situation in Turkey.
As you can imagine, this has been a very busy time for the Wikimedia
Foundation's Legal, Communications, Technical Operations, and Community
Engagement departments, and we apologize for not being able to respond to
Wikimedia-l sooner.


We are planning to publish a statement on the Wikimedia blog soon. In the
meantime, we have been handling media and other inquiries with the
following short statement, which we shared with the Communications
Committee (ComCom) earlier this morning:


"The Wikimedia Foundation has learned that access to Wikipedia has been
blocked in Turkey as of Saturday, April 29th. Wikipedia is a rich and
valuable source of neutral, reliable information in hundreds of languages,
written by volunteers around the world. We are committed to ensuring that
Wikipedia remains available to the millions of people who rely on it in
Turkey. To that end, we are actively working with outside counsel to seek
judicial review of the decision affecting access to Wikipedia. We hope the
issue can be resolved promptly."


We will continue to do our best to monitor this discussion, but I ask for
your patience as we are managing inquiries coming in from multiple places.


If you are receiving media inquiries about this, please contact
pr...@wikimedia.org and we will be able to assist you. At this point, we
believe that the most valuable point Wikimedians can make on behalf of
Wikipedia is explaining its value as an educational resource.


Thank you!

Juliet


On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> False dichotomy
> Cheers,
> P
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors
> Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
>
> Richard
>
> Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]".  Of course the
> implication is that everyone else does ...
>
> "Rogol"
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Primarily this is those who sign the statement  on meta.
> >
> > On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > James
> > >
> > > If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then
> > > your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual.  If you are
> > > specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
> > >
> > > "Rogol"
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > @ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
> > support
> > > > terrorism."
> > > >
> > > > J
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with.  WhiIe
> > > > > left it
> > > is
> > > > > very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
> > > > contradiction, I
> > > > > think it misees the point.  We provide information, neutral
> > > information.
> > > > > Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
> > encourages
> > > > > certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information
> > > > > with
> > the
> > > > > goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
> > > neutral,
> > > > > reliable sourgent,  thus defeating any such goal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't
> > > > > support terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd,
> > > > > that we
> > > clearly
> > > > > document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions
> > > > > both
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who
> > doubts
> > > > > this to read our articles on the subject.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not
> > > impartial

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Peter Southwood]

False dichotomy
Cheers,
P

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of 
Rogol Domedonfors
Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

Richard

Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]".  Of course the 
implication is that everyone else does ...

"Rogol"

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough < rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> 
wrote:

> Primarily this is those who sign the statement  on meta.
>
> On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > James
> >
> > If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then 
> > your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual.  If you are 
> > specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
> >
> > "Rogol"
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > @ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
> support
> > > terrorism."
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough < 
> > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with.  WhiIe 
> > > > left it
> > is
> > > > very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
> > > contradiction, I
> > > > think it misees the point.  We provide information, neutral
> > information.
> > > > Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
> encourages
> > > > certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information 
> > > > with
> the
> > > > goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
> > neutral,
> > > > reliable sourgent,  thus defeating any such goal.
> > > >
> > > > Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't 
> > > > support terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, 
> > > > that we
> > clearly
> > > > document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions 
> > > > both
> in
> > > the
> > > > Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who
> doubts
> > > > this to read our articles on the subject.
> > > >
> > > > On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not
> > impartial
> > > > to
> > > > > everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of
> freedom
> > > of
> > > > > information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that 
> > > > > we as
> a
> > > > > movement oppose terrorism.
> > > > >
> > > > > Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
> > > > >
> > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < 
> > > > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is
> impartial,
> > > or
> > > > at
> > > > > > least  substantially so.  This impartiality may be a threat 
> > > > > > to
> > some,
> > > > but
> > > > > it
> > > > > > could be counter-productive to make statements which are not
> > > carefully
> > > > > > thought through.  Those who support repressive regimes can 
> > > > > > easily
> > be
> > > > > pushed
> > > > > > into an absolutist mindset.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" <gala...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and 
> > > > > > > e-mails
> to
> > > our
> > > > > > local
> > > > > > > embassies. Our 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Rogol Domedonfors]

Richard

Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]".  Of course the
implication is that everyone else does ...

"Rogol"

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:

> Primarily this is those who sign the statement  on meta.
>
> On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors"  wrote:
>
> > James
> >
> > If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your
> > statement is both meaningless and ineffectual.  If you are specific, then
> > "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
> >
> > "Rogol"
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman  wrote:
> >
> > > @ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
> support
> > > terrorism."
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with.  WhiIe left it
> > is
> > > > very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
> > > contradiction, I
> > > > think it misees the point.  We provide information, neutral
> > information.
> > > > Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
> encourages
> > > > certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with
> the
> > > > goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
> > neutral,
> > > > reliable sourgent,  thus defeating any such goal.
> > > >
> > > > Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support
> > > > terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we
> > clearly
> > > > document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both
> in
> > > the
> > > > Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who
> doubts
> > > > this to read our articles on the subject.
> > > >
> > > > On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not
> > impartial
> > > > to
> > > > > everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of
> freedom
> > > of
> > > > > information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as
> a
> > > > > movement oppose terrorism.
> > > > >
> > > > > Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
> > > > >
> > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is
> impartial,
> > > or
> > > > at
> > > > > > least  substantially so.  This impartiality may be a threat to
> > some,
> > > > but
> > > > > it
> > > > > > could be counter-productive to make statements which are not
> > > carefully
> > > > > > thought through.  Those who support repressive regimes can easily
> > be
> > > > > pushed
> > > > > > into an absolutist mindset.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails
> to
> > > our
> > > > > > local
> > > > > > > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks
> turkish
> > > can
> > > > > > > support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but
> > maybe
> > > > is
> > > > > > > incorrect.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a
> statement
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That
> Wikipedia
> > > > > supports
> > > > > > > > terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement
> which
> > > > > stresses
> > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but
> > the
> > > > > first
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how
> > > > > important
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and
> > > > broadcasts
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk
> > > > > > > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html
> )
> > > this
> > > > > > > event,
> > > > > > > > there should be not only the accusation but always also a
> > > reaction.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ting
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Hey,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[James Heilman]

@ Rogol

The beginning reads "We, the undersigned members of the Wikimedia movement"
It is the "we" who have signed the statement that I am refering to.

James

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:

> Primarily this is those who sign the statement  on meta.
>
> On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors"  wrote:
>
> > James
> >
> > If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your
> > statement is both meaningless and ineffectual.  If you are specific, then
> > "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
> >
> > "Rogol"
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman  wrote:
> >
> > > @ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
> support
> > > terrorism."
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with.  WhiIe left it
> > is
> > > > very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
> > > contradiction, I
> > > > think it misees the point.  We provide information, neutral
> > information.
> > > > Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
> encourages
> > > > certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with
> the
> > > > goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
> > neutral,
> > > > reliable sourgent,  thus defeating any such goal.
> > > >
> > > > Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support
> > > > terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we
> > clearly
> > > > document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both
> in
> > > the
> > > > Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who
> doubts
> > > > this to read our articles on the subject.
> > > >
> > > > On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not
> > impartial
> > > > to
> > > > > everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of
> freedom
> > > of
> > > > > information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as
> a
> > > > > movement oppose terrorism.
> > > > >
> > > > > Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
> > > > >
> > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is
> impartial,
> > > or
> > > > at
> > > > > > least  substantially so.  This impartiality may be a threat to
> > some,
> > > > but
> > > > > it
> > > > > > could be counter-productive to make statements which are not
> > > carefully
> > > > > > thought through.  Those who support repressive regimes can easily
> > be
> > > > > pushed
> > > > > > into an absolutist mindset.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails
> to
> > > our
> > > > > > local
> > > > > > > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks
> turkish
> > > can
> > > > > > > support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but
> > maybe
> > > > is
> > > > > > > incorrect.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a
> statement
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That
> Wikipedia
> > > > > supports
> > > > > > > > terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement
> which
> > > > > stresses
> > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but
> > the
> > > > > first
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how
> > > > > important
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and
> > > > broadcasts
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk
> > > > > > > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html
> )
> > > this
> > > > > > > event,
> > > > > > > > there should be not only the accusation but always also a
> > > reaction.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ting
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Hey,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
> > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Richard Farmbrough]

Primarily this is those who sign the statement  on meta.

On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors"  wrote:

> James
>
> If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your
> statement is both meaningless and ineffectual.  If you are specific, then
> "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
>
> "Rogol"
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman  wrote:
>
> > @ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not support
> > terrorism."
> >
> > J
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with.  WhiIe left it
> is
> > > very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
> > contradiction, I
> > > think it misees the point.  We provide information, neutral
> information.
> > > Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than encourages
> > > certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with the
> > > goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
> neutral,
> > > reliable sourgent,  thus defeating any such goal.
> > >
> > > Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support
> > > terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we
> clearly
> > > document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both in
> > the
> > > Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who doubts
> > > this to read our articles on the subject.
> > >
> > > On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not
> impartial
> > > to
> > > > everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of freedom
> > of
> > > > information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as a
> > > > movement oppose terrorism.
> > > >
> > > > Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
> > > >
> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial,
> > or
> > > at
> > > > > least  substantially so.  This impartiality may be a threat to
> some,
> > > but
> > > > it
> > > > > could be counter-productive to make statements which are not
> > carefully
> > > > > thought through.  Those who support repressive regimes can easily
> be
> > > > pushed
> > > > > into an absolutist mindset.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to
> > our
> > > > > local
> > > > > > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish
> > can
> > > > > > support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but
> maybe
> > > is
> > > > > > incorrect.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement
> > > that
> > > > > > > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia
> > > > supports
> > > > > > > terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which
> > > > stresses
> > > > > > our
> > > > > > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but
> the
> > > > first
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how
> > > > important
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and
> > > broadcasts
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk
> > > > > > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html )
> > this
> > > > > > event,
> > > > > > > there should be not only the accusation but always also a
> > reaction.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ting
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Hey,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > > > >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
> > share
> > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> -- Forwarded message --
> > > > > > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
> > > > > > >> Date: 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Rogol Domedonfors]

James

If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your
statement is both meaningless and ineffectual.  If you are specific, then
"we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".

"Rogol"

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman  wrote:

> @ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not support
> terrorism."
>
> J
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with.  WhiIe left it is
> > very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
> contradiction, I
> > think it misees the point.  We provide information, neutral information.
> > Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than encourages
> > certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with the
> > goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a neutral,
> > reliable sourgent,  thus defeating any such goal.
> >
> > Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support
> > terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we clearly
> > document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both in
> the
> > Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who doubts
> > this to read our articles on the subject.
> >
> > On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman"  wrote:
> >
> > > Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not impartial
> > to
> > > everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of freedom
> of
> > > information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as a
> > > movement oppose terrorism.
> > >
> > > Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
> > >
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial,
> or
> > at
> > > > least  substantially so.  This impartiality may be a threat to some,
> > but
> > > it
> > > > could be counter-productive to make statements which are not
> carefully
> > > > thought through.  Those who support repressive regimes can easily be
> > > pushed
> > > > into an absolutist mindset.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement
> > > > >
> > > > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to
> our
> > > > local
> > > > > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish
> can
> > > > > support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but maybe
> > is
> > > > > incorrect.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > >
> > > > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen :
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement
> > that
> > > > > > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia
> > > supports
> > > > > > terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which
> > > stresses
> > > > > our
> > > > > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the
> > > first
> > > > > and
> > > > > > most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how
> > > important
> > > > it
> > > > > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and
> > broadcasts
> > > > are
> > > > > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk
> > > > > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html )
> this
> > > > > event,
> > > > > > there should be not only the accusation but always also a
> reaction.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ting
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Hey,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > > >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
> share
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -- Forwarded message --
> > > > > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
> > > > > >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
> > > > > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
> > > > > >> To: Communications Committee 
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon
> > all
> > > > > over
> > > > > >> the news.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[James Heilman]

@ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not support
terrorism."

J

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:

> "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with.  WhiIe left it is
> very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of contradiction, I
> think it misees the point.  We provide information, neutral information.
> Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than encourages
> certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with the
> goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a neutral,
> reliable sourgent,  thus defeating any such goal.
>
> Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support
> terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we clearly
> document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both in the
> Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who doubts
> this to read our articles on the subject.
>
> On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman"  wrote:
>
> > Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not impartial
> to
> > everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of freedom of
> > information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as a
> > movement oppose terrorism.
> >
> > Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial, or
> at
> > > least  substantially so.  This impartiality may be a threat to some,
> but
> > it
> > > could be counter-productive to make statements which are not carefully
> > > thought through.  Those who support repressive regimes can easily be
> > pushed
> > > into an absolutist mindset.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement
> > > >
> > > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to our
> > > local
> > > > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish can
> > > > support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but maybe
> is
> > > > incorrect.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen :
> > > >
> > > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement
> that
> > > > > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia
> > supports
> > > > > terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which
> > stresses
> > > > our
> > > > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the
> > first
> > > > and
> > > > > most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how
> > important
> > > it
> > > > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and
> broadcasts
> > > are
> > > > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk
> > > > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html ) this
> > > > event,
> > > > > there should be not only the accusation but always also a reaction.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings
> > > > >
> > > > > Ting
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hey,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -- Forwarded message --
> > > > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
> > > > >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
> > > > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
> > > > >> To: Communications Committee 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon
> all
> > > > over
> > > > >> the news.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ---
> > > > >>
> > > > >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
> > > > >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular
> websites.*
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
> > > > >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00
> > > (05:00
> > > > >> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
> > > > >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia
> > > pages
> > > > >> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
> > > > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Richard Farmbrough]

"As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with.  WhiIe left it is
very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of contradiction, I
think it misees the point.  We provide information, neutral information.
Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than encourages
certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with the
goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a neutral,
reliable sourgent,  thus defeating any such goal.

Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support
terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we clearly
document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both in the
Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who doubts
this to read our articles on the subject.

On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman"  wrote:

> Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not impartial to
> everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of freedom of
> information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as a
> movement oppose terrorism.
>
> Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
>
> James
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial, or at
> > least  substantially so.  This impartiality may be a threat to some, but
> it
> > could be counter-productive to make statements which are not carefully
> > thought through.  Those who support repressive regimes can easily be
> pushed
> > into an absolutist mindset.
> >
> >
> > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez"  wrote:
> >
> > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement
> > >
> > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to our
> > local
> > > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish can
> > > support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but maybe is
> > > incorrect.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen :
> > >
> > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement that
> > > > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia
> supports
> > > > terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which
> stresses
> > > our
> > > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the
> first
> > > and
> > > > most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
> > > >
> > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how
> important
> > it
> > > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and broadcasts
> > are
> > > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk
> > > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html ) this
> > > event,
> > > > there should be not only the accusation but always also a reaction.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings
> > > >
> > > > Ting
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
> > > >
> > > >> Hey,
> > > >>
> > > >> FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
> in
> > > the
> > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -- Forwarded message --
> > > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
> > > >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
> > > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
> > > >> To: Communications Committee 
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
> > > >>
> > > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all
> > > over
> > > >> the news.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ---
> > > >>
> > > >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
> > > >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
> > > >>
> > > >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
> > > >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00
> > (05:00
> > > >> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
> > > >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia
> > pages
> > > >> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
> > > >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law
> Nr.
> > > >> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
> > > Turkey's
> > > >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
> > > saying.
> > > >> No reason was given.
> > > >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News,
> > said
> > > >> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[James Heilman]

Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not impartial to
everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of freedom of
information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as a
movement oppose terrorism.

Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey

James

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:

> It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial, or at
> least  substantially so.  This impartiality may be a threat to some, but it
> could be counter-productive to make statements which are not carefully
> thought through.  Those who support repressive regimes can easily be pushed
> into an absolutist mindset.
>
>
> On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez"  wrote:
>
> > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement
> >
> > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to our
> local
> > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish can
> > support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but maybe is
> > incorrect.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen :
> >
> > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement that
> > > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia supports
> > > terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which stresses
> > our
> > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the first
> > and
> > > most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
> > >
> > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how important
> it
> > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and broadcasts
> are
> > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk
> > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html ) this
> > event,
> > > there should be not only the accusation but always also a reaction.
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > Ting
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
> > >
> > >> Hey,
> > >>
> > >> FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> > the
> > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -- Forwarded message --
> > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
> > >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
> > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
> > >> To: Communications Committee 
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
> > >>
> > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all
> > over
> > >> the news.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >>
> > >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
> > >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
> > >>
> > >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
> > >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00
> (05:00
> > >> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
> > >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia
> pages
> > >> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
> > >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr.
> > >> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
> > Turkey's
> > >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
> > saying.
> > >> No reason was given.
> > >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News,
> said
> > >> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling
> in
> > >> the
> > >> next few days.
> > >>
> > >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some users
> > >> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President
> > >> Recep
> > >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
> > >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
> > increasing
> > >> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.
> > >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including
> > >> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
> > protests
> > >> or terror attacks.
> > >> The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming
> > >> outages on spikes in usage after major events.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > >> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> > the
> > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> > >> ___
> > >> Wikimedia-l mailing 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Richard Farmbrough]

It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial, or at
least  substantially so.  This impartiality may be a threat to some, but it
could be counter-productive to make statements which are not carefully
thought through.  Those who support repressive regimes can easily be pushed
into an absolutist mindset.


On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez"  wrote:

> +1 to Ting's idea about a statement
>
> Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to our local
> embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish can
> support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but maybe is
> incorrect.
>
> Best,
>
> 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen :
>
> > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement that
> > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia supports
> > terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which stresses
> our
> > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the first
> and
> > most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
> >
> > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how important it
> > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and broadcasts are
> > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk
> > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html ) this
> event,
> > there should be not only the accusation but always also a reaction.
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Ting
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
> >
> >> Hey,
> >>
> >> FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> the
> >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> >>
> >>
> >> -- Forwarded message --
> >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
> >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
> >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
> >> To: Communications Committee 
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
> >>
> >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all
> over
> >> the news.
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
> >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
> >>
> >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
> >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00 (05:00
> >> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
> >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia pages
> >> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
> >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr.
> >> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
> Turkey's
> >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
> saying.
> >> No reason was given.
> >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News, said
> >> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling in
> >> the
> >> next few days.
> >>
> >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some users
> >> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President
> >> Recep
> >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
> >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
> increasing
> >> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.
> >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including
> >> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
> protests
> >> or terror attacks.
> >> The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming
> >> outages on spikes in usage after major events.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> >> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> the
> >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> >> ___
> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik
> >> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik
> >> i/Wikimedia-l
> >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> >> 
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Ivan Martínez]

+1 to Ting's idea about a statement

Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to our local
embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish can
support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but maybe is
incorrect.

Best,

2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen :

> I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement that
> decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia supports
> terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which stresses our
> principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the first and
> most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
>
> Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how important it
> is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and broadcasts are
> referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk
> http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html ) this event,
> there should be not only the accusation but always also a reaction.
>
> Greetings
>
> Ting
>
>
>
> Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
>> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
>> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
>> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
>> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
>> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
>> To: Communications Committee 
>>
>>
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
>>
>> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all over
>> the news.
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
>> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
>>
>> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
>> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00 (05:00
>> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
>> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia pages
>> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
>> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr.
>> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website," Turkey's
>> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as saying.
>> No reason was given.
>> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News, said
>> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling in
>> the
>> next few days.
>>
>> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some users
>> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President
>> Recep
>> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
>> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on increasing
>> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.
>> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including
>> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass protests
>> or terror attacks.
>> The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming
>> outages on spikes in usage after major events.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
>> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
>> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
>> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>> ___
>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik
>> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik
>> i/Wikimedia-l
>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
>> 
>>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Ting Chen]

I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement that 
decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia supports 
terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which stresses 
our principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the 
first and most important statement is to contradict the accusation.


Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how important 
it is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and broadcasts 
are referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk 
http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html ) this 
event, there should be not only the accusation but always also a reaction.


Greetings

Ting


Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:

Hey,

FYI -  sad news from Turkish.



*Regards,Itzik Edri*
Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
+972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!


-- Forwarded message --
From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
To: Communications Committee 


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909

Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all over
the news.


---

*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*

It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00 (05:00
GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia pages
without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
"After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr.
5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website," Turkey's
Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as saying.
No reason was given.
Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News, said
the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling in the
next few days.

Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some users
speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President Recep
Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on increasing
his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.
Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including
Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass protests
or terror attacks.
The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming
outages on spikes in usage after major events.



*Regards,Itzik Edri*
Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Pax Ahimsa Gethen]

While editing the Turkey section of the Government censorship of 
Wikipedia page today,[1] I visited a Turkish-language source that was 
cited for earlier censorship actions.[2] When running the link through 
Google Translate, "Vikipedi" in the article title translated to 
"Wikileaks". Yikes.


- Pax

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_censorship_of_Wikipedia#Turkey
[2] http://www.birgun.net/haber-detay/vikipedi-sansure-isyan-etti-83076.html


On 4/29/17 8:44 AM, James Heilman wrote:

Hey All

What are people's thoughts about a response by the movement?

Have started drafting something here
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey

Would appreciate peoples though and whether or not they think this is a
good idea.

James

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:51 AM, James Heilman  wrote:


What we can and should do is produce offline versions of Wikipedia content
and promote them both in Turkey and to the media :-)

Will try to see about producing a beta version of a Turkish medical app
today.

James

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 4:52 AM, Anders Wennersten <
m...@anderswennersten.se> wrote:


I do hope WMF taken NO action. We have learnt by similar cases, that the
local communities(chapters) haves best insight in how to best proceed.

And things would evolve to be much worse if an non-turkish entity was to
take action

Anders


Den 2017-04-29 kl. 12:45, skrev Rogol Domedonfors:


Presumably the WMF will be taking prompt, strong and effective action to
protest against and reverse this decision?  A case in the Constitutional
Court, for example?

"Rogol"

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Mardetanha 
wrote:

more info

https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/

Mardetanha

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:

Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia
supports


global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with
wikipedia (?)  but there is no answer. The site (most probably they
mean
English one)  includes content that supports ISIS ."

http://mobil.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-haberi-wikipediaya-
erisim-engellendi-40441904


- Sent from mobile

On Apr 29, 2017 11:55, "Mardetanha"  wrote:

hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.

Mardetanha

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:

Hey,

FYI -  sad news from Turkish.



*Regards,Itzik Edri*
Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
+972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in


the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!


-- Forwarded message --
From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
To: Communications Committee 


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909

Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all


over
the news.


---

*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*

It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00


(05:00
GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.

People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia


pages
without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).

"After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law


Nr.

5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"

Turkey's


Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as


saying.


No reason was given.
Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News,


said
the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling
in

the

next few days.

Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some


users

speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President

Recep


Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on


increasing
his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.

Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including
Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass


protests
or terror attacks.

The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming
outages on spikes in usage after major events.



*Regards,Itzik Edri*
Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
+972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Yaroslav Blanter]

I added it on my watchlist and will protect if needed, but the Erdogan
article already exploded from vandalism earlier today, and this one stays
quiet, so I normally would not expect much of disruption.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On 29 April 2017 at 09:43, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
>  wrote:
>
> > Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
> > encyclopaedia Wikipedia
>
> Worth watching this, for vandalism, while this is ongoing:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_Blocks
>
> --
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> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Andy Mabbett]

On 29 April 2017 at 09:43, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
 wrote:

> Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
> encyclopaedia Wikipedia

Worth watching this, for vandalism, while this is ongoing:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_Blocks

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[James Heilman]

Hey All

What are people's thoughts about a response by the movement?

Have started drafting something here
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey

Would appreciate peoples though and whether or not they think this is a
good idea.

James

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:51 AM, James Heilman  wrote:

> What we can and should do is produce offline versions of Wikipedia content
> and promote them both in Turkey and to the media :-)
>
> Will try to see about producing a beta version of a Turkish medical app
> today.
>
> James
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 4:52 AM, Anders Wennersten <
> m...@anderswennersten.se> wrote:
>
>> I do hope WMF taken NO action. We have learnt by similar cases, that the
>> local communities(chapters) haves best insight in how to best proceed.
>>
>> And things would evolve to be much worse if an non-turkish entity was to
>> take action
>>
>> Anders
>>
>>
>> Den 2017-04-29 kl. 12:45, skrev Rogol Domedonfors:
>>
>>> Presumably the WMF will be taking prompt, strong and effective action to
>>> protest against and reverse this decision?  A case in the Constitutional
>>> Court, for example?
>>>
>>> "Rogol"
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Mardetanha 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> more info
 https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/

 Mardetanha

 On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
 it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:

 Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia
>
 supports

> global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with
> wikipedia (?)  but there is no answer. The site (most probably they
> mean
> English one)  includes content that supports ISIS ."
>
> http://mobil.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-haberi-wikipediaya-
> erisim-engellendi-40441904
>
>
> - Sent from mobile
>
> On Apr 29, 2017 11:55, "Mardetanha"  wrote:
>
> hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.
>>
>> Mardetanha
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
>> it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
>>
>> Hey,
>>>
>>> FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
>>> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
>>> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
>>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
>>>
>> the
>
>> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
>>> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
>>> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
>>> To: Communications Committee 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
>>>
>>> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all
>>>
>> over
>
>> the news.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
>>> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
>>>
>>> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
>>> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00
>>>
>> (05:00
>
>> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
>>> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia
>>>
>> pages
>
>> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
>>> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law
>>>
>> Nr.

> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
>>>
>> Turkey's
>>
>>> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
>>>
>> saying.
>>
>>> No reason was given.
>>> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News,
>>>
>> said
>
>> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling
>>>
>> in

> the
>>
>>> next few days.
>>>
>>> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some
>>>
>> users

> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President
>>>
>> Recep
>>
>>> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
>>> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
>>>
>> increasing
>
>> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.
>>> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including
>>> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
>>>
>> protests
>
>> or terror attacks.
>>> The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming
>>> outages on spikes in usage after major 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[James Heilman]

What we can and should do is produce offline versions of Wikipedia content
and promote them both in Turkey and to the media :-)

Will try to see about producing a beta version of a Turkish medical app
today.

James

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 4:52 AM, Anders Wennersten  wrote:

> I do hope WMF taken NO action. We have learnt by similar cases, that the
> local communities(chapters) haves best insight in how to best proceed.
>
> And things would evolve to be much worse if an non-turkish entity was to
> take action
>
> Anders
>
>
> Den 2017-04-29 kl. 12:45, skrev Rogol Domedonfors:
>
>> Presumably the WMF will be taking prompt, strong and effective action to
>> protest against and reverse this decision?  A case in the Constitutional
>> Court, for example?
>>
>> "Rogol"
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Mardetanha 
>> wrote:
>>
>> more info
>>> https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/
>>>
>>> Mardetanha
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
>>> it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
>>>
>>> Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia

>>> supports
>>>
 global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with
 wikipedia (?)  but there is no answer. The site (most probably they mean
 English one)  includes content that supports ISIS ."

 http://mobil.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-haberi-wikipediaya-
 erisim-engellendi-40441904


 - Sent from mobile

 On Apr 29, 2017 11:55, "Mardetanha"  wrote:

 hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.
>
> Mardetanha
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
>
> Hey,
>>
>> FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
>> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
>> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
>>
> the

> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
>> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
>> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
>> To: Communications Committee 
>>
>>
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
>>
>> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all
>>
> over

> the news.
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
>> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
>>
>> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
>> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00
>>
> (05:00

> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
>> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia
>>
> pages

> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
>> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law
>>
> Nr.
>>>
 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
>>
> Turkey's
>
>> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
>>
> saying.
>
>> No reason was given.
>> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News,
>>
> said

> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling
>>
> in
>>>
 the
>
>> next few days.
>>
>> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some
>>
> users
>>>
 speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President
>>
> Recep
>
>> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
>> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
>>
> increasing

> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.
>> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including
>> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
>>
> protests

> or terror attacks.
>> The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming
>> outages on spikes in usage after major events.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
>> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
>> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
>>
> the

> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Anders Wennersten]

I do hope WMF taken NO action. We have learnt by similar cases, that the 
local communities(chapters) haves best insight in how to best proceed.


And things would evolve to be much worse if an non-turkish entity was to 
take action


Anders

Den 2017-04-29 kl. 12:45, skrev Rogol Domedonfors:

Presumably the WMF will be taking prompt, strong and effective action to
protest against and reverse this decision?  A case in the Constitutional
Court, for example?

"Rogol"

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Mardetanha 
wrote:


more info
https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/

Mardetanha

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:


Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia

supports

global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with
wikipedia (?)  but there is no answer. The site (most probably they mean
English one)  includes content that supports ISIS ."

http://mobil.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-haberi-wikipediaya-
erisim-engellendi-40441904


- Sent from mobile

On Apr 29, 2017 11:55, "Mardetanha"  wrote:


hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.

Mardetanha

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:


Hey,

FYI -  sad news from Turkish.



*Regards,Itzik Edri*
Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
+972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in

the

sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!


-- Forwarded message --
From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
To: Communications Committee 


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909

Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all

over

the news.


---

*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*

It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00

(05:00

GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia

pages

without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
"After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law

Nr.

5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"

Turkey's

Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as

saying.

No reason was given.
Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News,

said

the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling

in

the

next few days.

Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some

users

speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President

Recep

Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on

increasing

his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.
Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including
Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass

protests

or terror attacks.
The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming
outages on spikes in usage after major events.



*Regards,Itzik Edri*
Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
+972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
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the

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Yaroslav Blanter]

Not sure what action WMF can take to reverse the decision taken by a
dictator which only concerns the territory he has an absolute authority.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> Presumably the WMF will be taking prompt, strong and effective action to
> protest against and reverse this decision?  A case in the Constitutional
> Court, for example?
>
> "Rogol"
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Mardetanha 
> wrote:
>
> > more info
> > https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/
> >
> > Mardetanha
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> > it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
> >
> > > Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia
> > supports
> > > global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with
> > > wikipedia (?)  but there is no answer. The site (most probably they
> mean
> > > English one)  includes content that supports ISIS ."
> > >
> > > http://mobil.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-haberi-wikipediaya-
> > > erisim-engellendi-40441904
> > >
> > >
> > > - Sent from mobile
> > >
> > > On Apr 29, 2017 11:55, "Mardetanha"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.
> > > >
> > > > Mardetanha
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> > > > it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey,
> > > > >
> > > > > FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > > +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
> in
> > > the
> > > > > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > > > From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
> > > > > Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
> > > > > Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
> > > > > To: Communications Committee 
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
> > > > >
> > > > > Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon
> all
> > > over
> > > > > the news.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > >
> > > > > *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
> > > > > encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
> > > > >
> > > > > It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
> > > > > The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00
> > > (05:00
> > > > > GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
> > > > > People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia
> > > pages
> > > > > without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
> > > > > "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law
> > Nr.
> > > > > 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
> > > > Turkey's
> > > > > Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
> > > > saying.
> > > > > No reason was given.
> > > > > Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News,
> > > said
> > > > > the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court
> ruling
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > next few days.
> > > > >
> > > > > Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some
> > users
> > > > > speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on
> President
> > > > Recep
> > > > > Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
> > > > > Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
> > > increasing
> > > > > his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.
> > > > > Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including
> > > > > Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
> > > protests
> > > > > or terror attacks.
> > > > > The government has previously denied censoring the internet,
> blaming
> > > > > outages on spikes in usage after major events.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > > +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
> in
> > > the
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Rogol Domedonfors]

Presumably the WMF will be taking prompt, strong and effective action to
protest against and reverse this decision?  A case in the Constitutional
Court, for example?

"Rogol"

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Mardetanha 
wrote:

> more info
> https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/
>
> Mardetanha
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
>
> > Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia
> supports
> > global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with
> > wikipedia (?)  but there is no answer. The site (most probably they mean
> > English one)  includes content that supports ISIS ."
> >
> > http://mobil.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-haberi-wikipediaya-
> > erisim-engellendi-40441904
> >
> >
> > - Sent from mobile
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2017 11:55, "Mardetanha"  wrote:
> >
> > > hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.
> > >
> > > Mardetanha
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> > > it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey,
> > > >
> > > > FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> > the
> > > > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > > From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
> > > > Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
> > > > Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
> > > > To: Communications Committee 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
> > > >
> > > > Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all
> > over
> > > > the news.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > >
> > > > *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
> > > > encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
> > > >
> > > > It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
> > > > The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00
> > (05:00
> > > > GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
> > > > People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia
> > pages
> > > > without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
> > > > "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law
> Nr.
> > > > 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
> > > Turkey's
> > > > Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
> > > saying.
> > > > No reason was given.
> > > > Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News,
> > said
> > > > the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling
> in
> > > the
> > > > next few days.
> > > >
> > > > Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some
> users
> > > > speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President
> > > Recep
> > > > Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
> > > > Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
> > increasing
> > > > his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.
> > > > Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including
> > > > Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
> > protests
> > > > or terror attacks.
> > > > The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming
> > > > outages on spikes in usage after major events.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> > the
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Mardetanha]

more info
https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/

Mardetanha

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:

> Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia supports
> global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with
> wikipedia (?)  but there is no answer. The site (most probably they mean
> English one)  includes content that supports ISIS ."
>
> http://mobil.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-haberi-wikipediaya-
> erisim-engellendi-40441904
>
>
> - Sent from mobile
>
> On Apr 29, 2017 11:55, "Mardetanha"  wrote:
>
> > hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.
> >
> > Mardetanha
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> > it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey,
> > >
> > > FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> the
> > > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
> > > Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
> > > Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
> > > To: Communications Committee 
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
> > >
> > > Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all
> over
> > > the news.
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
> > > encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
> > >
> > > It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
> > > The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00
> (05:00
> > > GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
> > > People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia
> pages
> > > without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
> > > "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr.
> > > 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
> > Turkey's
> > > Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
> > saying.
> > > No reason was given.
> > > Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News,
> said
> > > the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling in
> > the
> > > next few days.
> > >
> > > Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some users
> > > speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President
> > Recep
> > > Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
> > > Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
> increasing
> > > his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.
> > > Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including
> > > Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
> protests
> > > or terror attacks.
> > > The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming
> > > outages on spikes in usage after major events.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> the
> > > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Itzik - Wikimedia Israel]

Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia supports
global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with
wikipedia (?)  but there is no answer. The site (most probably they mean
English one)  includes content that supports ISIS ."

http://mobil.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-haberi-wikipediaya-erisim-engellendi-40441904


- Sent from mobile

On Apr 29, 2017 11:55, "Mardetanha"  wrote:

> hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.
>
> Mardetanha
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >
> > FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> >
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
> > Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
> > Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
> > To: Communications Committee 
> >
> >
> > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
> >
> > Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all over
> > the news.
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> > *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
> > encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
> >
> > It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
> > The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00 (05:00
> > GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
> > People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia pages
> > without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
> > "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr.
> > 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
> Turkey's
> > Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
> saying.
> > No reason was given.
> > Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News, said
> > the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling in
> the
> > next few days.
> >
> > Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some users
> > speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President
> Recep
> > Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
> > Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on increasing
> > his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.
> > Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including
> > Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass protests
> > or terror attacks.
> > The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming
> > outages on spikes in usage after major events.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Mardetanha]

hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.

Mardetanha

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> FYI -  sad news from Turkish.
>
>
>
> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
> To: Communications Committee 
>
>
> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
>
> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all over
> the news.
>
>
> ---
>
> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
>
> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00 (05:00
> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia pages
> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr.
> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website," Turkey's
> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as saying.
> No reason was given.
> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News, said
> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling in the
> next few days.
>
> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some users
> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President Recep
> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on increasing
> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.
> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including
> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass protests
> or terror attacks.
> The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming
> outages on spikes in usage after major events.
>
>
>
> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

[Itzik - Wikimedia Israel]

Hey,

FYI -  sad news from Turkish.



*Regards,Itzik Edri*
Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
+972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!


-- Forwarded message --
From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
To: Communications Committee 


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909

Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all over
the news.


---

*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*

It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00 (05:00
GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia pages
without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
"After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr.
5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website," Turkey's
Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as saying.
No reason was given.
Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News, said
the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling in the
next few days.

Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some users
speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President Recep
Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on increasing
his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.
Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including
Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass protests
or terror attacks.
The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming
outages on spikes in usage after major events.



*Regards,Itzik Edri*
Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
+972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
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sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
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