[WISPA] Fiber Supplier
Where do you guys get your fiber? Looking for single mode or multi-mode, indoor, breakout, 12 strands. Thanks. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
18 pigtails don't cut with large dishes. Further, the loss on crap coax at 5.8Ghz is quite high even with short lengths. From a shear cost perspective there is little reason to use crap coax for short pigtails. Without cost being a major factor all the benefits of using quality coax start piling up. -Matt Travis Johnson wrote: The whole idea is you mount the radio on the tower, and use a small (18 inch) pigtail. :) Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Tom DeReggi wrote: Required for FCC reuirement of unique connector rule. PErsonally Ip refer them to stay as is with the connectors. That way they all stay the same and one cable to stock. There are other connectors more robust than RP-SMA; it doesn't have to be N. RP-SMA is just too small to use with decent coax. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Anyone know if the Trango 5.8GHz ap's have an external antenna connection? out here, 60deg sectors on an ap are a bit small -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history
Travis, I fully agree. The 2.4Ghz product is one that we have not used yet, but one we will need to start using soon, based on the fact that we used all the 5.8 channels available at many cell sites. 5.3G is good for expanding cells if for the close in neighborhoods, but it just doesn't have the range needed for many master cell site type applications. To get range, you need the 2.4Ghz product. As you have shown Travis, the 2.4Ghz product is somewhat of a last man standing 2.4Ghz product, and an excellent choice for WISPs. My hope is that future development will follow suit. The M5580 is not the single savior. Its possible that there may be range issues, and noise issues based on using OFDM, in some environments. What I like about the M5580 is it gives us the opportunity/option to have excellent pricing for many new markets, that we'd never be able to touch without that price point. For example residential, low or Free install markets. OR WISP direct leasing. Its down tothe point where I could hold the lease for the end user equipment, worked into monthly payment based on low CPE cost. Doing the ROI on a spreadsheet, makes it a much safer model to get bank approval for financing for large scale growth. For example, Trangos Press release lists Triple play. Doing 30 mbps in a small short range community network, could accomplish that, and using a single smaller bandwidth backhaul to the site. Using Multicast and caching, the low bandwidth backhaul would be enough to transport the Video to a community devcie that then fed the homes individually/directly over the higher capacity. Then there is the 900mhz product No comment based on my last scolding :-) How many of your competitors will now switch and start installing Trango. :( Good point. This where early entry into the market comes in. IF you are ready to go in a market, you are in a position to move faster and take the market share today, before the competitors starts. This is whats going to test, wether people that have the best broadcast sites, really have an advantage for long term success. This is what will challenge WISPS to offer good support, good pricing, anf fast expansion. Why would someone come to compete, if it looked like a loosing battle to compete against you? The bigger issue is keeping consumers from buying the gear. A $150 is still in the price range for a residential build your own community thing. Thats one of the reasons, its important for the AP cost not to drop to low. So its not in the end user price range. The strategy should be, start buying lots of units, and making lots of sales, based on the new low price opportunity. Trango is taking care of us, because they want us to succeed, and increase our volume. Its sorta like the FCC giving us more leanient power rules, to see what we do with the opportunity. Do we abuse them or use them well? Trango has to make a profit, and its likely that they's continue selling product for half the cost, if the volume did not increase. We need to grow our businesses, or they'll find people that will. So indirectly the pressure is on us, to give back, take advantage of the price point and grow our businesses. Thats the way I see it. I think if we do it, they'll keep evolving their product to our needs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Tom, I agree with you 100%. However, there is still much to do the 5.8ghz product was only the first step... we are currently deploying 60-70 of the 2.4ghz product per month... mainly because of the totally amazing distance (15-20 miles is a no brainer... 25-30 miles is possible with a grid antenna attached). We love the 2.4ghz product. Now we just need it cheaper... not $149... even $250ish would be great. :) Then there is the 900mhz product the lifesaver if there ever was one... we now have over 400 customers deployed on 900mhz... customers that we would not have gotten without a 900mhz product on the market. Same with this product line... we need a $250ish CPE... :) And, not to ruin the party on this thread, but you realize the downside is now every little mom and pop shop can now afford Trango? How many of your competitors will now switch and start installing Trango. :( Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Not sure what you mean. I have a 6ft dish, many 4ft dishes and over ten 3ft dishes all hooked to Trango radios using 18 pigtails. No problems. Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: 18 pigtails don't cut with large dishes. Further, the loss on crap coax at 5.8Ghz is quite high even with short lengths. From a shear cost perspective there is little reason to use crap coax for short pigtails. Without cost being a major factor all the benefits of using quality coax start piling up. -Matt Travis Johnson wrote: The whole idea is you mount the radio on the tower, and use a small (18 inch) pigtail. :) Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Tom DeReggi wrote: Required for FCC reuirement of unique connector rule. PErsonally Ip refer them to stay as is with the connectors. That way they all stay the same and one cable to stock. There are other connectors more robust than RP-SMA; it doesn't have to be N. RP-SMA is just too small to use with decent coax. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
That is too bad Since my biggest tower has less than 30 users, putting 6 $1000 ap's on one tower just doesn't make sense On the other hand, putting 3 AP's with 120deg antennas on a tower is something I can justify. (just in case some one is listening) Travis Johnson wrote: No, they do not. I've asked for that exact thing since 2001 and original 5800 AP's. I've heard there may be something coming however... ;) Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: Anyone know if the Trango 5.8GHz ap's have an external antenna connection? out here, 60deg sectors on an ap are a bit small -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history
Sorry if I missed it somewhere- does this also include the 900Mhz products? chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, if I only had a $150 CPE!. It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say BAM! Trango did it agin, $150. This is truly a defining moment in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago. I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What If...we had a $200 CPE? We respond, how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000? Instantly, Travis is like, at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a time. Then I was like, I'd take 500. Etc, etc. Then we all realized we were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night. CPEs were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z was kidding! And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just qty 30! And its only $150, not $200! I just don't know what to say. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials, and crunching numbers. Our business plan may have just changed overnight, with this recent Press release. Think about the potential! The residential market is going to be broken wide open, with this pricing. If I didn't have a box of M5580s sitting on my desk, I'd ask somebody to pinch me, to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Trango... Thanks! PS. PLEASE, NOBODY SAY, If I only had a CPE for $75, I don't think my heart could take the results. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.14.18 - Release Date: 1/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Yup. Those were my exact words 4 years ago directly to Trango. Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: That is too bad Since my biggest tower has less than 30 users, putting 6 $1000 ap's on one tower just doesn't make sense On the other hand, putting 3 AP's with 120deg antennas on a tower is something I can justify. (just in case some one is listening) Travis Johnson wrote: No, they do not. I've asked for that exact thing since 2001 and original 5800 AP's. I've heard there may be something coming however... ;) Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: Anyone know if the Trango 5.8GHz ap's have an external antenna connection? out here, 60deg sectors on an ap are a bit small -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I second, third this motion and have contacted Trango regarding this. I have some towers where six AP's is fine, but I have a lot more smaller locations where it is hard to justify 6 of them for a site. I certainly hope this changes so we can deploy these in smaller areas. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! That is too bad Since my biggest tower has less than 30 users, putting 6 $1000 ap's on one tower just doesn't make sense On the other hand, putting 3 AP's with 120deg antennas on a tower is something I can justify. (just in case some one is listening) Travis Johnson wrote: No, they do not. I've asked for that exact thing since 2001 and original 5800 AP's. I've heard there may be something coming however... ;) Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: Anyone know if the Trango 5.8GHz ap's have an external antenna connection? out here, 60deg sectors on an ap are a bit small -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Hello Travis, Well they do if the cover comes off.. :-) Barry Thursday, January 19, 2006, 10:01:18 AM, you wrote: TJ No, they do not. I've asked for that exact thing since 2001 and original TJ 5800 AP's. I've heard there may be something coming however... ;) TJ Travis TJ Microserv TJ Blair Davis wrote: Anyone know if the Trango 5.8GHz ap's have an external antenna connection? out here, 60deg sectors on an ap are a bit small -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or possibly 5.7 gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. Our network is currently made up of Raylink FHSS Trango 900 Raylink/Brilan DSSS Alvarion 900 Trango Link-10 All in all we have had pretty good luck with all of the above once the bugs were worked out. The real workhorse of our network is Raylink FHSS but we are starting to move away from it due to the bandwidth limitations of FHSS. The raylink/brilan DSSS works fairly well but has some minor irritations with regards to signal strength readouts and I am concerned about future updates and upgrades from them. The alvarion 900 works well but is a pain to install. Trango 900 works well also but offers no indoor installation options and cpe costs are still high. We are going to be setting up a few new pops this year and I would like to try out some new equipment, hopefully something that would work out well enough to use for upgrading our existing network as time goes by. I have looked into MT and StarOS due to the ability to be able to keep the equipment upgraded with software updates and if needed completely replace the software in the future using the same hardware. I also like the thought of having one platform that I could use for 2.4, 5.x and 900 in the future. What I am worried about is going through the hassle of building out all the CPE's keeping the software up to date and the cost is not all that great. I also want something that is aesthetically pleasing, rootennas are not all that attractive. I am also looking for something to put up and forget about. Demarc stuff looks pretty nice and the price is not bad but I had heard of some reliability issues in the past, they may have all been taken care of by now though. I also had a hard time getting a hold of anyone there in the past when I was considering making a purchase. This may have changed also its been a while since I called. Canopy looks attractive do to the one brand all bands and the pricing is tolerable. I am not sure I like being stuck with Vert polarity, its noisy here and it kind of scares me going with proprietary equipment. The Trango 2.4, not really sure why I put this down because it really doesn't seem competitive cost wise. I am interested in what type of performance people are getting out of them though and how they are doing in noisy environments. The 900 is not all that great when it is noisy in my experience. I am interested in the waverider for one particular residential area that would be very nice to have a preconfigured radio for someone to pick up and do a self install indoors. Getting rid of a truck roll and having to have something on the outside of the home. Also looking for a backhaul to try besides the link-10 from trango. Would like to find something in the 5.8 band with similar throughputand latency of trango for the same or less $$. This is another reason I thought about MT, StarOs, Demarc stuff was for multiple radios on the same board so the AP and BH could be the same piece of hardware and software. Just looking for some comments in general about the different options and why you did/didn't pick one over the other. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:33 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. What are you using now? What are you trying to accomplish? The first 3 you list are all 802.11a/b/g the last 3 are all proprietary. There are people on this list for every different system you just described, not sure how many people have used them all. I have used StarOS, Mikrotik, and Motorola 5.7 and 2.4 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a necessary evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early on and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise floor is fairly high in 5.x around here. It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the time and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution that does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx. Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had two competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS and we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly over the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot about us and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do what it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind sticking with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as customers expect faster and faster connections. It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service based off of recommendations from their neighbors. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or possibly 5.7 gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history
I don't think Trangos new lower price was to wipe out StarOs. IF an intent was there to wipe someone out, I'd say more likely, it would be Canopy. But I don't even think that intent was the purpose.. Giving WISPs better prices helps them grow their businesses, and compete with the commodity huge volume competitors. Trango wants large volume and sees the potential a low cost CPE can do to acheive that. StarOS/Mikrotik systems, still have their advantages for many purposes. For example, flexibilty, routing, and multi-radio units, Mesh, etc. With Mini-PCI 900 comming more applications will arise. Smaller cells don't necessarilly require Polling systems to perform well. But for Trango WISPs. This low CPE pricing is a tremendous advantage. Its is an advantage for any WISPs that uses a master cell site model, and wants to deploy quickly wide scale without the hassle of piecing togeather the equipment, and/or does not have the staff with the expertise of putting the gear togeather. With Trango you just take it out of the box and go. With a consistent interface through the product line. Well I might have been a little quick on the consistent interface, as the models do have little differences in syntax, but they are working to improve that. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Man if I only had a $75 CPE, I could... Be dreaming? Sorry, Tom, I had to do that. It's great to see a decent product hit the $150 level. It's not going to lure me away from my staros yet. It may, however, end up being deployed if the AP turns out to be affordable for those smaller cells. If I can put up a 2-4 mile across cell (using omni, not sector) and sell 5Mbit connections to 10 to 20 people per cell... It might be less costly than my star-os system. I am not yet prepared to give up on routing at the cpe end for normal installs. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, if I only had a $150 CPE!. It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say BAM! Trango did it agin, $150. This is truly a defining moment in history. No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz product. But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly paid $500 for, less than a year ago. I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango meeting. After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more radios. Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What If...we had a $200 CPE? We respond, how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000? Instantly, Travis is like, at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a time. Then I was like, I'd take 500. Etc, etc. Then we all realized we were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night. CPEs were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought Z was kidding! And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required! Just qty 30! And its only $150, not $200! I just don't know what to
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Would it be possible to have standard 802.11a support from this client? What about 5/10mhz channels? That would make this a super killer product even more then it sounds now. Personally I would pay a small fee per unit to have 11a support, 5/10mhz channels are becoming standard. Jeromie Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Trango Introduces New $149 WISP Subscriber Unit /— Lowest priced fixed wireless modem available —/ *SAN DIEGO, CA — January 18, 2006* - Trango Broadband Wireless, the leader in fixed broadband wireless equipment, introduced a major addition to its product line which will enable Wireless Internet Service Providers (WISPs) to, for the first time, compete head-to-head against cable and DSL providers with the high performance /Atlas Fox/ M5580M-FSU wireless modem, priced at just $149 and capable of internet transmission speeds from 10 to 30 Mbps. “We truly believe that the introduction of the /Atlas Fox/ wireless modem is the sea change event that will transform the wireless internet service market into a consumer mass-market service capable of out-competing cable and DSL delivery methods,” said Zdravko Divjak, CEO and President of Trango Broadband Wireless. “This product is eliminating the final obstacle toward nationwide deployments of fixed broadband wireless networks capable of serving millions of users coast to coast.” “There’s nothing /lite/ about the /Atlas Fox/ M5580M-FSU,” said Todd Easterling, Vice President of Worldwide Marketing for Trango Broadband Wireless. “This product offers the industry’s highest performance and at a dramatic price breakthrough. Our engineers have outdone themselves on this one, and many of the wireless internet service providers who have Beta-tested the /Atlas Fox /are raving about the price to performance ratio. To provide /real/ 10 Mbps to their subscribers, at only $149 for the CPE (consumer premise equipment), enables WISPs to offer high-speed internet access to an entirely new market. More than ever, the return on investment and break-even points for WISPs deploying Trango are measurably superior to our competitors,” added Mr. Easterling. “Over the past few months we have clearly seen the cost and design benefits associated with controlling the entire product development and sales process—from engineering specification, to radios rolling off the production line of our own state-of-the-art factory in San Diego, to the direct sales model for the U.S. market. And most importantly, we’re passing on many of these benefits to our customers.” Trango’s /Atlas Fox/ M5580M-FSU wireless modem, which can reach internet subscribers over twelve miles away from an Access Point (AP), currently provides upload and download speeds up to 10Mbps, and is upgradeable to speeds over 30Mbps. This provides a platform for next generation internet services known as the “triple play” (voice, video and data). In contrast, cable and telephone/DSL companies generally offer service between 1 Mbps and 6 Mbps bandwidth for downloads, and between 128 Kbps and 768 Kbps for uploads. Trango is taking orders for the /Atlas Fox/ now. Shipments begin February 7 th, 2006. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
Does the 3db SNR still apply when using 2X mode? I was under the impression that 2X requires 10db -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your throughput. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a necessary evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early on and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise floor is fairly high in 5.x around here. It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the time and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution that does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx. Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had two competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS and we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly over the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot about us and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do what it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind sticking with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as customers expect faster and faster connections. It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service based off of recommendations from their neighbors. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or possibly 5.7 gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Also that is 3db at -65dbm signal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your throughput. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a necessary evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early on and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise floor is fairly high in 5.x around here. It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the time and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution that does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx. Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had two competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS and we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly over the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot about us and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do what it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind sticking with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as customers expect faster and faster connections. It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service based off of recommendations from their neighbors. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or possibly 5.7 gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Mark, Don't forget an arguement to support your position,"less components to fail.". However, not creating a clear Dmarcation point, means free support labor. Not gicing end users a device to tinker with, means they try and tinker with yours, or bother you aimlessly for support. Its all an issue if you want to manage their home Net, or have them manage their home NET, and what the custoemr things of that. Its not wronfeither way.I personally insist on keeping the client out of my gear,and I'm clear on what gear is mine. I'll give them the Linksys, and I'll even let them set it up, but its there responsibility to pay me to manage and support it, if I feel its necessary. It does not box me into a possition of providing free support. But optionally I can, and create value, if it doesn't get out of hand. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I hate those routers, really. I find thier configuration mechanisms frustrating or annoying. Some are just downright almost unworkable. Since my CPE does full routing / NAT firewalling, etc... I still love it. That's an extra box I don't ahve to buy and whatnot. And yes, I understand you CAN use these. I love the reliability and s tability of my staros boxes. I think in the last 12 months I've had 1 or2 WRAP based CPE need rebooted or restarted. Having the exact same thing at every site is nice :) It would take me a while to develop confidence in one of those consumer level routers. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot netsales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot netFast Internet, NO WIRES!- - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history We have been installing Linksys / Dlink / Belkin routers at every install for almost 4 years. Customers get an "internal" wireless, we help protect them by having a firewall, and we then have a device we can monitor (with ping) to check their connection.TravisMicroservMark Koskenmaki wrote: Man if I only had a $75 CPE, I could... Be dreaming? Sorry, Tom, I had to do that. It's great to see a decent product hit the $150 level. It's not going to "lure" me away from my staros yet. It may, however, end up being deployed if the AP turns out to be affordable for those smaller cells. If I can put up a 2-4 mile across cell (using omni, not sector) and sell 5Mbit connections to 10 to 20 people per cell... It might be less costly than my star-os system. I am not yet prepared to give up on routing at the cpe end for normal installs. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to buy, before they shipped. This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price. Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu? Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price tag after we realized the advantages? Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross platform supported! They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed. What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500? When I heard $150 today, I able shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it. I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year ROI on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came, thanks Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the limits, and said "If we only had a $300 CPE". And sure enough it came. Thanks Trango. (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under $150). Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, "if I only had a $150 CPE!". It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral would say "BAM!" Trango did it agin, "$150". This
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Should make us all wonder why we're paying $200.00 for a cheap/crappy 802.11b CPE from the likes of Tranzeo or other vendors. I think as a company we will have to seriously take a look at this platform. My only real question is - How will it perform where Canopy is deployed in the same area... JohnnyO On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 14:20 -0500, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Trango Introduces New $149 WISP Subscriber Unit Lowest priced fixed wireless modem available SAN DIEGO, CA January 18, 2006 - Trango Broadband Wireless, the leader in fixed broadband wireless equipment, introduced a major addition to its product line which will enable Wireless Internet Service Providers (WISPs) to, for the first time, compete head-to-head against cable and DSL providers with the high performance Atlas Fox M5580M-FSU wireless modem, priced at just $149 and capable of internet transmission speeds from 10 to 30 Mbps. We truly believe that the introduction of the Atlas Fox wireless modem is the sea change event that will transform the wireless internet service market into a consumer mass-market service capable of out-competing cable and DSL delivery methods, said Zdravko Divjak, CEO and President of Trango Broadband Wireless. This product is eliminating the final obstacle toward nationwide deployments of fixed broadband wireless networks capable of serving millions of users coast to coast. Theres nothing lite about the Atlas Fox M5580M-FSU, said Todd Easterling, Vice President of Worldwide Marketing for Trango Broadband Wireless. This product offers the industrys highest performance and at a dramatic price breakthrough. Our engineers have outdone themselves on this one, and many of the wireless internet service providers who have Beta-tested the Atlas Fox are raving about the price to performance ratio. To provide real 10 Mbps to their subscribers, at only $149 for the CPE (consumer premise equipment), enables WISPs to offer high-speed internet access to an entirely new market. More than ever, the return on investment and break-even points for WISPs deploying Trango are measurably superior to our competitors, added Mr. Easterling. Over the past few months we have clearly seen the cost and design benefits associated with controlling the entire product development and sales processfrom engineering specification, to radios rolling off the production line of our own state-of-the-art factory in San Diego, to the direct sales model for the U.S. market. And most importantly, were passing on many of these benefits to our customers. Trangos Atlas Fox M5580M-FSU wireless modem, which can reach internet subscribers over twelve miles away from an Access Point (AP), currently provides upload and download speeds up to 10Mbps, and is upgradeable to speeds over 30Mbps. This provides a platform for next generation internet services known as the triple play (voice, video and data). In contrast, cable and telephone/DSL companies generally offer service between 1 Mbps and 6 Mbps bandwidth for downloads, and between 128 Kbps and 768 Kbps for uploads. Trango is taking orders for the Atlas Fox now. Shipments begin February 7 th, 2006. Larry A Weidig wrote: Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus
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Chadd, Actually a very good post. And points out the other side. No body is perfect. There have been many things that have frustrated me with the gear over the years. Will the reliabilty of using the gear go up? Only time will tell that one. But patience and loyalty to a vendor for me, I think is paying off. Its weeks like this week, that show reasons why it was all worth it to be patient. The way I look at it, any way I look at it, I've come out ahead. The problems I remember most were... 1) I saw a great opportunity, and I had to turn it away, because I couldn't afford to buy the gear to do the job. 2) I saw someone else installing on the water tower, and wished it could have been me, but I couldn't afford the gear. Trango gave me the option, to go after the deal. At the end of the day, after considering lost labor and time, was it really cheaper? Who knows? All I can say is, I didn't find a better option. All I can say is that if it weren't for the price of Trango, at various stages each year, I wouldn't be in 30 major local markets today, and I wouldn't have been able to be in this business competitively. Whether or not that is a good thing, is debateable. I probably would have done better if I invested in Real Estate. But what I like to see is constant improvement. Every time, I start to get depressed fighting the daily challenges to build a business and grow, out of no where Trango comes up with some new advantage to make it easier on me to succeed. It helps boost my spirit and keep up the moral. For me, as time goes by, they have shown a pattern of consistently just making it easier for WISPs. That means a lot to me. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:44 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I am probably far more cynical than most but I really hope that Trango has made a turn around as a company with the latest round of changes. I tend to remember the bad things more than the good. WARNING this is a list of the BAD things!! Good things are at the bottom... I remember purchasing link 10's as soon as they were released and spending time on the phone with at the time their rude tech support department trying to figure out why they were locking up randomly requiring a power cycle to get them back online. Only to find out from them that I was the only one in the world having this problem and it must be because I don't know how to install them. Low and behold a month or so later they release a firmware fix for the 30 or so Day lock up issue that didn't exist. I remember fighting with the 58xx form factor units filling up with water and destroying the ethernet ports on them. Again I spent a lot of time with the same rude tech support department trying to explain to them that it was a pressure/temp difference causing water to be pulled into the units. Again only to be accused of not knowing what I was doing and that I had to be installing the units upside down. What do you know after fighting with them about RMA repairs and such on the units they issue a statement about a month later to not tighten the strain relief all the way on the radio so they could breath and not pool water on the inside. I spent a Thanksgiving on a tower because of this. I remember buying and deploying a 900AP and having pissed off potential customers because I couldn't get any SU's to do their installs. Also getting to my 15th SU and trying to figure out why the web interface was hosed and I couldn't add any more subs to it. Again another firmware fix. I remember power supplies not having enough output to run the heaters on longer cable runs and having to buy new wall worts for some units. I remember fighting and scrounging trying to find a switch that would properly work with the ethernet ports on the units. I remember condensation building up on the inside of the random on 5.x units causing 30+ db of fade taking out links left and right. This is still an issue on units I have not replaces with external antennas I remember prices being jacked around. The various changes in distribution models and not knowing who I was going to get units from and how much was I going to have to pay for them. You know what even after all of this I still buy and deploy some Trango equipment, but it burns me every time I buy more stuff from them. These problems would have been much more tolerable if they would have been decent to work with and not so arrogant about insisting they werent having problems. THE GOOD stuff!!! I also remember setting up my first long BH 14 miles with a Link-10 and seeing 8ms latency and advertised throughput on the link. Hooking up a few dozen customers on T900 that I could never touch in the past with 2.4 or 5.x. I also get better throughput, distance
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The purpose of using Trango is to NOT be 802.11a. Trango solves all the 802.11a problems, why would you take the problems back on again, after Trango solved them? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Would it be possible to have standard 802.11a support from this client? What about 5/10mhz channels? That would make this a super killer product even more then it sounds now. Personally I would pay a small fee per unit to have 11a support, 5/10mhz channels are becoming standard. Jeromie Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Trango Introduces New $149 WISP Subscriber Unit /— Lowest priced fixed wireless modem available —/ *SAN DIEGO, CA — January 18, 2006* - Trango Broadband Wireless, the leader in fixed broadband wireless equipment, introduced a major addition to its product line which will enable Wireless Internet Service Providers (WISPs) to, for the first time, compete head-to-head against cable and DSL providers with the high performance /Atlas Fox/ M5580M-FSU wireless modem, priced at just $149 and capable of internet transmission speeds from 10 to 30 Mbps. “We truly believe that the introduction of the /Atlas Fox/ wireless modem is the sea change event that will transform the wireless internet service market into a consumer mass-market service capable of out-competing cable and DSL delivery methods,” said Zdravko Divjak, CEO and President of Trango Broadband Wireless. “This product is eliminating the final obstacle toward nationwide deployments of fixed broadband wireless networks capable of serving millions of users coast to coast.” “There’s nothing /lite/ about the /Atlas Fox/ M5580M-FSU,” said Todd Easterling, Vice President of Worldwide Marketing for Trango Broadband Wireless. “This product offers the industry’s highest performance and at a dramatic price breakthrough. Our engineers have outdone themselves on this one, and many of the wireless internet service providers who have Beta-tested the /Atlas Fox /are raving about the price to performance ratio. To provide /real/ 10 Mbps to their subscribers, at only $149 for the CPE (consumer premise equipment), enables WISPs to offer high-speed internet access to an entirely new market. More than ever, the return on investment and break-even points for WISPs deploying Trango are measurably superior to our competitors,” added Mr. Easterling. “Over the past few months we have clearly seen the cost and design benefits associated with controlling the entire product development and sales process—from engineering specification, to radios rolling off the production line of our own state-of-the-art factory in San Diego, to the direct sales model for the U.S. market. And most importantly, we’re passing on many of these benefits to our customers.” Trango’s /Atlas Fox/ M5580M-FSU wireless modem, which can reach internet subscribers over twelve miles away from an Access Point (AP), currently provides upload and download speeds up to 10Mbps, and is upgradeable to speeds over 30Mbps. This provides a platform for next generation internet services known as the “triple play” (voice, video and data). In contrast, cable and telephone/DSL companies generally offer service between 1 Mbps and 6 Mbps bandwidth for downloads, and between 128 Kbps and 768 Kbps for uploads. Trango is taking orders for the /Atlas Fox/ now. Shipments begin February 7 th, 2006. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
As stated a million time. Use Horizontal polarity antennas, Canopy doesn't. As long as mobile is not your goal, Trango is great platform. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Should make us all wonder why we're paying $200.00 for a cheap/crappy 802.11b CPE from the likes of Tranzeo or other vendors. I think as a company we will have to seriously take a look at this platform. My only real question is - How will it perform where Canopy is deployed in the same area...JohnnyOOn Wed, 2006-01-18 at 14:20 -0500, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Trango Introduces New $149 WISP Subscriber Unit — Lowest priced fixed wireless modem available — SAN DIEGO, CA — January 18, 2006 - Trango Broadband Wireless, the leader in fixed broadband wireless equipment, introduced a major addition to its product line which will enable Wireless Internet Service Providers (WISPs) to, for the first time, compete head-to-head against cable and DSL providers with the high performance Atlas Fox M5580M-FSU wireless modem, priced at just $149 and capable of internet transmission speeds from 10 to 30 Mbps.“We truly believe that the introduction of the Atlas Fox wireless modem is the sea change event that will transform the wireless internet service market into a consumer mass-market service capable of out-competing cable and DSL delivery methods,” said Zdravko Divjak, CEO and President of Trango Broadband Wireless. “This product is eliminating the final obstacle toward nationwide deployments of fixed broadband wireless networks capable of serving millions of users coast to coast.”“There’s nothing lite about the Atlas Fox M5580M-FSU,” said Todd Easterling, Vice President of Worldwide Marketing for Trango Broadband Wireless. “This product offers the industry’s highest performance and at a dramatic price breakthrough. Our engineers have outdone themselves on this one, and many of the wireless internet service providers who have Beta-tested the Atlas Fox are raving about the price to performance ratio. To provide real 10 Mbps to their subscribers, at only $149 for the CPE (consumer premise equipment), enables WISPs to offer high-speed internet access to an entirely new market. More than ever, the return on investment and break-even points for WISPs deploying Trango are measurably superior to our competitors,” added Mr. Easterling. “Over the past few months we have clearly seen the cost and design benefits associated with controlling the entire product development and sales process—from engineering specification, to radios rolling off the production line of our own state-of-the-art factory in San Diego, to the direct sales model for the U.S. market. And most importantly, we’re passing on many of these benefits to our customers.”Trango’s Atlas Fox M5580M-FSU wireless modem, which can reach internet subscribers over twelve miles away from an Access Point (AP), currently provides upload and download speeds up to 10Mbps, and is upgradeable to speeds over 30Mbps. This provides a platform for next generation internet services known as the “triple play” (voice, video and data). In contrast, cable and telephone/DSL companies generally offer service between 1 Mbps and 6 Mbps bandwidth for downloads, and between 128 Kbps and 768 Kbps for uploads. Trango is taking orders for the Atlas Fox now. Shipments begin February 7 th, 2006.Larry A Weidig wrote: Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G
[WISPA] Adding Ext antennas to Trango AP
This document is for adding external connectors to a Trango 900AP. However, the same process applies to the 5830AP that use the same connectors. The polarity of the internal connectors on the Trango 900 radios are as follows. The horrizontal is the top connector and the vertical is the bottom connector. The external connectors are the same configuration with horizontal on top. So likewise, when we modified 900 APs to have a second external connector we make the horzontal connector on top. So when changing polarity on the fly the original external port setting (e) is at vertical polarity, and the horizontal setting (h) is horizontal and the vertical setting (v) does not work. We have determined N connectors will not fit anywhere in the casing, reliably. You nust use bulkhead RP/SMA female connectors in the case. The female connectors have the center pin but are still considered female because it has the threads on the outside of the connector. And the male has the threads inside the connector which screw around the female but has the hole for the internal pin to go into. Do not forget to get rubber gaskets and washers. To create a proper hole in the casing, use metal drill bits that have a pilot point like the Dewalts. The best position to make the hole in the casing is at the same height front to back as the original hole, and at the top of the raised flat portion of the side of the case. Looking from the inside of the case the hole is as far up as possible, this will allow the inside connector bolt to rest on the edge of the casing and will not turn as you screw in the connector from the outside. Make sure the hole is low enough to the back of the case so the mainboard of the radio can lay flat. Start with 1/2 in and drill deep enough to accommodate one washer to sit flush with the surface. You must start with the larger bit to create the recessed portion of the connector otherwise the pilot point on the smaller bit will have nothing to guide it through the rest of the casing wall. Next use a 3/8 bit to drill out enough space to insert a gasket under the washer. Finally us a 17/64 bit to go all the way through the casing for the RP/SMA connector. After screwing in the connector dab some epoxy on the inside of the case around the connector to help hold and prevent spinning of the connector when attatching/unattaching external cables. Make a pigtail 12 inches long. The cable can be run upward through a small cutout in the center support wall inside the case over the radio edge and back down to the internal antenna connector. The type of connectors use for the pigtail are male MCX plug connectors (inserts inside other connector and has a pin). The other connector is the RP/SMA Female bulkhead connector. The cable is Time Microwave LMR 100a coaxial cable. Note, of course make the pigtail before fastening sma connector to case and postion connector so the mcx plug can plug into the motherboard without stressing the cable. It is easiest to tighten sma connectors useing one 8mm wrench and one 8mm socket. The connectors come in multile sizes and need to be matched to the cable type. After inserting the cable into MCX connector, a dab of solder is required. In order to crimp the pins on the SMA connector use a xxx size crimp tool. The external cables should use Andrews CNT-240. Male N connector and Male RP-SMA. Suggest 3ft in length. The loos is only 7db per 100 feet 900Mhz. So 3ft, the cable will only have a loss of .23 db, almost negligible. YEs, you will Void Warranty. But just in case, make sure to put the correct main board back into its same case, so that the MAC address listed on the outside sticker continues to match the MAC address embedded on the Mainboard Ethernet card. Recommend Til Tek? 120 deg, 17 deg Vert Beam, 4 ft tall, Dual polarity, 11 dbi (9 dbd) 900Mhz Sector Antennas. Cost($800). Great Front to back 20 db. Good isolation on edges of beamwidth. @ 425 feet, recommend 9 deg Tilt. Must be precise. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history
Bob, On the surfice it appears fickle, but not truthfully. Everybody wants to support distribution and their friends in distribution, in theory. But Trango's goal as a manufacturer is strictly to find ways to sell more radios. Loyalty end there for any manufacturer from what I;ve seen. The buyers goal is to get better availabilty and pricing, and initially they think Distribution can help guarantee that. But what when it doesn't? Trango didn't drop the distribution channel just to screw them, what would be the point. The idea was to increase volume, when taking them on, and when that doesn't happen, and instead distributors sell more of competitors' products, what do you do? Well, you start solving the difficiencies in your own operations so you don't ahve to rely on distributors to solve your problems. Then you try something new until the job is done. Like lowering the price to $150, what the custoemr base is asking. Buyers just aren't in a possition to trust anyone, so they complain, to influence possitive decissions, regardless of whether the decissions would have been reputable without the complaining. If consumers get better availability and pricing, doesn't that solve the buyer's need? Thats not being fickle, thats being a smart business man. I'd argue the golden question is will the product be more consistently reliable, with a lower price tag. Was something given up to achieve the better price? Our goal isn't to have the reduced reliability of a commodity $50 Linksys/Dlink/Netgear SOHO product. The cliche, You get what you pay for. So testing and time is what will tell that. I'd like to believe Trango is just innovating its products, and able to make it cheaper, because they are getting smarter by experience. So far it looks like a winner. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history Damn...If I didn't know any better there were several people bitching about Trango cutting out their distributors and going direct. I think I remember people saying That's it...I'll never buy from them again. Now they have $149 CPE. Hm.Should be interesting to see what happens now :-) -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] EarthLink Chooses Moto for Muni Wireless Networks
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[WISPA] 5.8Ghz H-Pol Omni's ????
Anyone know where I can get a 5.8Ghz (Tri-Band is better) H-POL Omni? I have looked but can't find any. Do they make such an animal? Thanks, Bo Hamilton NCOWireless.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Because in 6 months, you will be able to buy a Wimax Cpe for 200 bucks. - Jeff On Jan 18, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Hope that affects the price of everything else, at this point who would by an 802.11a cpe for $250 when you can buy a trango for $150? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Well MAC.Did we find the right news? Or is there more??? Mac Dearman wrote: Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history
I was a HUGE Trango basher on another list. I had the water problems with the 5830 units. I can say that after making me mad as hell in the past, they do seem to have made improvements. They repaired some of my old (out of warranty) units at no charge and even sent me a rebate for one that they charged me to repair a long time ago. Brad Hagstrom, Jenco Wireless On 1/18/06, Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am probably far more cynical than most but I really hope that Trango has made a turn around as a company with the latest round of changes. I tend to remember the bad things more than the good. WARNING this is a list of the BAD things!! Good things are at the bottom... I remember purchasing link 10's as soon as they were released and spending time on the phone with at the time their rude tech support department trying to figure out why they were locking up randomly requiring a power cycle to get them back online. Only to find out from them that I was the only one in the world having this problem and it must be because I don't know how to install them. Low and behold a month or so later they release a firmware fix for the 30 or so Day lock up issue that didn't exist. I remember fighting with the 58xx form factor units filling up with water and destroying the ethernet ports on them. Again I spent a lot of time with the same rude tech support department trying to explain to them that it was a pressure/temp difference causing water to be pulled into the units. Again only to be accused of not knowing what I was doing and that I had to be installing the units upside down. What do you know after fighting with them about RMA repairs and such on the units they issue a statement about a month later to not tighten the strain relief all the way on the radio so they could breath and not pool water on the inside. I spent a Thanksgiving on a tower because of this. I remember buying and deploying a 900AP and having pissed off potential customers because I couldn't get any SU's to do their installs. Also getting to my 15th SU and trying to figure out why the web interface was hosed and I couldn't add any more subs to it. Again another firmware fix. I remember power supplies not having enough output to run the heaters on longer cable runs and having to buy new wall worts for some units. I remember fighting and scrounging trying to find a switch that would properly work with the ethernet ports on the units. I remember condensation building up on the inside of the random on 5.x units causing 30+ db of fade taking out links left and right. This is still an issue on units I have not replaces with external antennas I remember prices being jacked around. The various changes in distribution models and not knowing who I was going to get units from and how much was I going to have to pay for them. You know what even after all of this I still buy and deploy some Trango equipment, but it burns me every time I buy more stuff from them. These problems would have been much more tolerable if they would have been decent to work with and not so arrogant about insisting they werent having problems. THE GOOD stuff!!! I also remember setting up my first long BH 14 miles with a Link-10 and seeing 8ms latency and advertised throughput on the link. Hooking up a few dozen customers on T900 that I could never touch in the past with 2.4 or 5.x. I also get better throughput, distance and latency than with my Alvarion 900 customers, alvarion is a master and noise avoidance though when compared to T900. My link-10's just hum right along since the bugs were fixed. Besides the condensation issue on the INT units. I do think they are getting a bit better with regards to customer relations though and their tech support department was very personable and willing to help out last time I had to call them. So I hope this is a sign of things to come from them. I have been beating my head on the wall trying to figure out what equipment I want to use for a few new POP's this year and admit it would be nice if Trango pulled it together with a good line up of cost effective, feature rich and most of all bug free equipment early this year to add to my list of choices. Sorry for the rambling Chadd. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
