[WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)]
Why wasn't this done yesterday? I asked that it be done then. The people of Waltonville deserve better than three days of bad service. Scriv David E. Smith wrote: Apparently, we will have to run new Ethernet cable at the Waltonville tower, as we've now replaced basically everything else there and the AP is still doing weird freaky stuff. yay. Tell Ron I'm sorry, then clear his morning schedule. dave begin:vcard fn:John Scrivner n:Scrivner;John org:Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc. adr;dom:PO Box 1582;;1 Dr Park Road Suite H1;Mt. Vernon;Il;62864 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:618-244-6868 url:http://www.mvn.net/ version:2.1 end:vcard -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)]
Great. I guess if you screw up once you should do it up right and screw up the same way twice. I am sorry guys. This should have never gone to the list. Scriv John Scrivner wrote: Why wasn't this done yesterday? I asked that it be done then. The people of Waltonville deserve better than three days of bad service. Scriv David E. Smith wrote: Apparently, we will have to run new Ethernet cable at the Waltonville tower, as we've now replaced basically everything else there and the AP is still doing weird freaky stuff. yay. Tell Ron I'm sorry, then clear his morning schedule. dave No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RE: Ethernet over 328ft (Russ Kreigh)
Bet the climbers would like to listen to the radio. :-). I climbed a 50,000 watt FM radio tower once to replace a flash bulb. Had the radiation suit and everything. As I climbed they turned down the power and all that but I could still taste metal in my mouth. A customer who bought a house about 2 miles away from this tower. Said he could take a speaker and touch it to metal on the electrical outlets and pick up the radio station that was broadcasting from the tower. Several years ago I remember seeing a guy getting ready to climb an AM tower. He did not jump onto the tower like you should. He got a little bit of a jolt. Justin -- Life is unfair, but root password helps --- Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MTIN.NET Access - WISP Consulting - Tower Climbing CCNA - CCNT - COMTRAIN Certified - ACSA WEB: http://www.mtin.net WEB: http://www.findawisp.com TEL:765.762.2851 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
Hi Folks, I am mostly a lurker, being a wireline based ISP, however cannot resist putting my two cents in it. If this is what you all want WISPA to do, then you all need to be realistic in contributing a heck of lot more than the pidly few bucks to the WISP fund. More like a few thousand's) $ / year in membership dues. The type of role you are suggesting WISP do, can be best done by dedicated Full Time Professionals (Folks like Kris Tome / Jack Unger etc etc ) none of them are inexpensive nor can afford to work for free. Heck, even the US Chamber of Commerce, who calims to play an active role in Washington DC, gets more in membership dues than WISPA, and they work of a much much larger base of members (All kinds of business from all over the US). It is great to ask for the Moon, but also have to be realistically prepared to pay the price for it ! (p.s. I am not trying to offend anyone or pick on anyone, just expressing a dose of reality). Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 180* sector choices
That's what I am talking about Larry! Thanks Who all sales Til-Tek? Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Rayville, La. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief) www.mac-tel.us (VoIP sales) 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.303.4182 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 180* sector choices Mac: We have used both of these with success: http://www.tiltek.com/final/pdfs/TA-2304-4-180-ISM.pdf http://www.tiltek.com/final/pdfs/TA-2304-2-180-ISM.pdf The second one is smaller and only has 12.5 dBi gain, the first one has 15 dBi. Just to be clear I have no association or affiliation with Til-Tek, just have used these on a couple of sites where three sectors (our typical setup as well) was not an option. Hope that helps. * Larry A. Weidig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 180* sector choices Does anyone on list have a set of 2.4GHz 180* sector antennas they would like to brag on? I have two towers that need to be sectored out and I am on the hunt. I would like to have as much gain as possible at the antenna. Any suggestions, comments and feed back are greatly appreciated as I have never deployed 180* sectors, but we have always used either Omni's or 3 120* sectors. These towers are just Rohn 25G and I cant seem to get enough separation up top for the 120* sectors. Been there done that and still fighting the issues it causes by mounting the 3 120* sectors too close to one another. Thanks folks, Mac -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 180* sector choices
Does anyone on list have a set of 2.4GHz 180* sector antennas they would like to brag on? I have two towers that need to be sectored out and I am on the hunt. I would like to have as much gain as possible at the antenna. Any suggestions, comments and feed back are greatly appreciated as I have never deployed 180* sectors, but we have always used either Omni's or 3 120* sectors. These towers are just Rohn 25G and I cant seem to get enough separation up top for the 120* sectors. Been there done that and still fighting the issues it causes by mounting the 3 120* sectors too close to one another. Thanks folks, Mac -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] BNSF tower co-location
Does anyone here have a contact for BNSF (Burlington Northern-Santa Fe Rail Road) tower co-location? I have called the gentleman listed in the FCC database for the towers I am interested in and he has passed on my information a few times now with no results. An actual co-location person I could speak to would be nice. ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BNSF tower co-location
Maybe this? http://www.bnsf.com/tools/realestate/index.html - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: [WISPA] BNSF tower co-location Does anyone here have a contact for BNSF (Burlington Northern-Santa Fe Rail Road) tower co-location? I have called the gentleman listed in the FCC database for the towers I am interested in and he has passed on my information a few times now with no results. An actual co-location person I could speak to would be nice. ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BNSF tower co-location
Perhaps this one would help too: http://www.bnsf.com/tools/realestate/staubachcontacts.html - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: [WISPA] BNSF tower co-location Does anyone here have a contact for BNSF (Burlington Northern-Santa Fe Rail Road) tower co-location? I have called the gentleman listed in the FCC database for the towers I am interested in and he has passed on my information a few times now with no results. An actual co-location person I could speak to would be nice. ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 180* sector choices
Mac: We have used both of these with success: http://www.tiltek.com/final/pdfs/TA-2304-4-180-ISM.pdf http://www.tiltek.com/final/pdfs/TA-2304-2-180-ISM.pdf The second one is smaller and only has 12.5 dBi gain, the first one has 15 dBi. Just to be clear I have no association or affiliation with Til-Tek, just have used these on a couple of sites where three sectors (our typical setup as well) was not an option. Hope that helps. * Larry A. Weidig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 180* sector choices Does anyone on list have a set of 2.4GHz 180* sector antennas they would like to brag on? I have two towers that need to be sectored out and I am on the hunt. I would like to have as much gain as possible at the antenna. Any suggestions, comments and feed back are greatly appreciated as I have never deployed 180* sectors, but we have always used either Omni's or 3 120* sectors. These towers are just Rohn 25G and I cant seem to get enough separation up top for the 120* sectors. Been there done that and still fighting the issues it causes by mounting the 3 120* sectors too close to one another. Thanks folks, Mac -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
Please don't take this in a negative tone because it is not meant to be, I know it is hard to judge tone through an email. It astounds me that you would make the statement above but not understand why it is your obligation to pay the $25 a month it costs to pay your part. If you cannot pay $25 a month for the things we are doing then you are not seeing the bigger picture. You cannot afford not to pay your dues. I have saved several times more than I pay in dues with what I get from WISPA. If you don't then you have simply not looked at what we are offering.. I really don't know what WISPA is offering members as far as benefits. I am looking at the WISPA web site as I type this. There is nothing on the web site indicating what WISPA is doing and or has done since it has been around. I may not be looking in the right place on the web site but all I see is some general news. To get members you have to show people what the value is to join. Again I know people are working on stuff in tbe background but what? Maybe once someone joins they have access to different lists or a different place on the WEB site that shows more of whats going on. I guess my point here is that in my opinion WISPA needs to do a better job of selling it self, showing what it's doing and what it has done for our industry. So $25 per month is a deal breaker? Maybe you need a stronger association to work to find ways of making you more money. Then again if you cannot see the value then why would you join? Again see my comments above, I really don't know what the value of WISPA is, please exlpain to me what the benefits of membership are. I am not a WISPA member and I don't consider myself a freeloader here. If I give input to one person a month on a problem they are having I have pulled my weight. Sorry. That is not enough. We need dues to do the work of what needs to be done in WISPA. We all help each other on the lists. That goes both ways You never get help from people on the lists? Yes I get help from others on the list. This was more of a reply to indicate that normal interaction on the freelist should justify ones being there and that as long as there is back and fourth assistance then someone is pulling thier weight as far as the freelist goes. That does not help lobby for change in regulatory or legislative efforts. I work for free as basically an executive director for this organization, Marlon works for free basically as a lobbyist. Rick Harnish runs 60 list servers for free. Matt Larsen runs the WISPA website. Do you think we do this so we can get an attaboy? We do this to help guys like you. We won't be here doing it for free forever. Who does the heavy lifting if we all decided to do it your way? Who pays the bills then? What has and what is WISPA lobbying for? What has WISPA successfully lobbied for? As I have mentioned before, everytime I get ready to open up the wallet to join crap like this comes up and makes me wonder if it is a good investment. Talk of free listserver members being freeloaders and not supporting the org is sure as hell not a good way to drive up membership. What is the feel good way for us to convince you that the $3000 worth of free legal help we gave out for CALEA is worth the $250 a year? That is just one thing WISPA has done for WISPs lately. We constantly work to help. If you cannot see it then you just are not paying enough attention to what we do for you guys here. Scriv I am sorry but as I mentioned above I can not see from the outside what WISPA is doing or has going on. Maybe I am not paying close enough attention, I don't know. As far as a feel good way that I would be getting my $$ worth, for one thing I think that seeing that the code of ethics was being upheld as defined for the org would be a good starter. ARTICLE II We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our industry and enhance its reputation. ARTICLE III We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor. ARTICLE IV We will strive to broaden public understanding and enhance public regard and confidence in our Industry. ) Not disparage other members by statement or innuendo to clients or prospective clients. Looking from the outside it doesn't always appear that the ORG is able to uphold the code of ethics. This is mainly based off of discussions held on the freelist. I see comments from members, officers of the ORG that I feel do not uphold the above listed items from the code of ethics. Again please read this as an outsider looking in, trying to understand what WISPA has going on or as done for our industry and what the value is for me to join. I am not saying WISPA is not doing or has not done anything for our industry. I just need some help understanding. Thanks, Chadd Thompson --
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
I completely agree with you. WISPA doesn't charge enough to do what I believe should be their mission. -Matt Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Hi Folks, I am mostly a lurker, being a wireline based ISP, however cannot resist putting my two cents in it. If this is what you all want WISPA to do, then you all need to be realistic in contributing a heck of lot more than the pidly few bucks to the WISP fund. More like a few thousand's) $ / year in membership dues. The type of role you are suggesting WISP do, can be best done by dedicated Full Time Professionals (Folks like Kris Tome / Jack Unger etc etc ) none of them are inexpensive nor can afford to work for free. Heck, even the US Chamber of Commerce, who calims to play an active role in Washington DC, gets more in membership dues than WISPA, and they work of a much much larger base of members (All kinds of business from all over the US). It is great to ask for the Moon, but also have to be realistically prepared to pay the price for it ! (p.s. I am not trying to offend anyone or pick on anyone, just expressing a dose of reality). Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
you are right. I will have to come there, cus this poor state is trying to outlaw the ar 15 and others... Now that you mention it, i know a friend that has an AR 15... that sounds really cooll.The smiley face would look pretty cool with that... thanks Marlon - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross, you need to come up here and use my AR-15 to do the shooting Much more fun to blow 30 small holes though the POS in a few seconds than a few big ones in a couple of minutes! big grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I appreciate it, but the financial side of it has my attention. .It is truly a depreciable asset as long As I own it. I would lose that if I sold it. So, i will still shoot it... and place it in a trophy case and thenpost the video for you all to see. I will call it barracuda hunting... lol - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :) My point really was that, since the Barracuda is just PC hardware, it's not a total loss (and probably not worth shooting). Even if you don't want to filter email with it, it still has some value. (From what I know of how they're built, I'd guess a recent Barracuda 400, which retails for about $4000, is probably worth $1000 or so from the hardware included. Paradoxically, the older ones are probably worth a bit more, as they had a hardware RAID controller instead of using Linux software RAID.) If you really were gonna shoot it (and that wasn't just a gesture of frustration), seriously, between Butch Evans and I, we'll find a good home for it (that has nothing to do with email). David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Signal opinions
I run Mikrotik AP's, 15db 120 sectors, WLM54G radios, running Tranzeo CPQ radios. I have noticed on one sector specifically but not positive about the others, that the CPQ can see the AP with a -75 and the AP will see the client a -90. I don't understand the disparity between the radios. Mark McElvy -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
That depends Matt... If EVERYONE on the 'free list' were paid members; who knows if the dues would be enoughfor starters at least! :) - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I completely agree with you. WISPA doesn't charge enough to do what I believe should be their mission. -Matt Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Hi Folks, I am mostly a lurker, being a wireline based ISP, however cannot resist putting my two cents in it. If this is what you all want WISPA to do, then you all need to be realistic in contributing a heck of lot more than the pidly few bucks to the WISP fund. More like a few thousand's) $ / year in membership dues. The type of role you are suggesting WISP do, can be best done by dedicated Full Time Professionals (Folks like Kris Tome / Jack Unger etc etc ) none of them are inexpensive nor can afford to work for free. Heck, even the US Chamber of Commerce, who calims to play an active role in Washington DC, gets more in membership dues than WISPA, and they work of a much much larger base of members (All kinds of business from all over the US). It is great to ask for the Moon, but also have to be realistically prepared to pay the price for it ! (p.s. I am not trying to offend anyone or pick on anyone, just expressing a dose of reality). Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-MS-SIGNATURE:YES N;LANGUAGE=en-us:LeBoeuf;Cliff FN:Cliff LeBoeuf ORG:Computer Sales Services, Inc. TEL;WORK;VOICE:(985) 879-3219 ADR;WORK;PREF:;;1162 Barrow Street;Houma;LA;70360;United States of America LABEL;WORK;PREF;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:1162 Barrow Street=0D=0A= Houma, LA 70360 X-MS-OL-DEFAULT-POSTAL-ADDRESS:2 URL;WORK:www.cssla.com www.triparish.net EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MS-TEXT;CUSTOM1:Computers - Copiers - Internet PHOTO;TYPE=JPEG;ENCODING=BASE64: /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAeAB4AAD/2wBDAAYEBQYFBAYGBQYHBwYIChAKCgkJChQODwwQFxQY GBcUFhYaHSUfGhsjHBYWICwgIyYnKSopGR8tMC0oMCUoKSj/2wBDAQcHBwoIChMKChMoGhYa KCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCj/wAAR CABQAEsDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAA AgEDAwIEAwUFBAQAAAF9AQIDAAQRBRIhMUEGE1FhByJxFDKBkaEII0KxwRVS0fAkM2JyggkK FhcYGRolJicoKSo0NTY3ODk6Q0RFRkdISUpTVFVWV1hZWmNkZWZnaGlqc3R1dnd4eXqDhIWG h4iJipKTlJWWl5iZmqKjpKWmp6ipqrKztLW2t7i5usLDxMXGx8jJytLT1NXW19jZ2uHi4+Tl 5ufo6erx8vP09fb3+Pn6/8QAHwEAAwEBAQEBAQEBAQECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtREA AgECBAQDBAcFBAQAAQJ3AAECAxEEBSExBhJBUQdhcRMiMoEIFEKRobHBCSMzUvAVYnLRChYk NOEl8RcYGRomJygpKjU2Nzg5OkNERUZHSElKU1RVVldYWVpjZGVmZ2hpanN0dXZ3eHl6goOE hYaHiImKkpOUlZaXmJmaoqOkpaanqKmqsrO0tba3uLm6wsPExcbHyMnK0tPU1dbX2Nna4uPk 5ebn6Onq8vP09fb3+Pn6/9oADAMBAAIRAxEAPwD0/U7ybXRqGt6xqFzZ6HaSy29vbW07RLME J+Z8dWOG74xjivKNS+JfhW0vJIU811U9ftRqT4x3MsHwd0xYm2iS8ugw9eDXzb4X0G/8Ta5b aVpMXm3U5wATgKByST2AFU207I56dOM4KUlds97u/jB4Wtxxa3szekUxP65xSwfFbTJ0WWDw v4hkgIz5i5I/Q17F8K/gdoPhGzhnvYVvNU2/PO4IOeenJA4OOPxzWnLolj4y8Sz2qhP+Ef0a cRNaiMgS3abSZC2QWC7ioU5XIJOSFwcz7l+xp/yr7jwu1+Kmn3kZls/CviKeFfvPHlgPyNJF 8X/C7KfNs7+B16xyyMGH5Zr6qkXRNFSKKdrS1EhCr5rBdx/GvL/iN4A8OeP/AB9Y6Y1vCJdK j8++Kq4ZxKD5abgwGPkLHqfu9MnJzPuHsaf8q+48ks/ixpeoFhpnhnX7wL94wktj8iaWP4ue G/NaG507UrOZeClxIVIPvzX1NbaXoXhvT1Hl21pboMb5DgAfjWH8Qvh14e+IHh17W8gj3uhk tbqInMblTtcYIyOc46GjmfcPY0/5V9x5v8M9W8P+PZLu00DVNY0nXrRBIypdttdT/EvOGHqC
RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Chadd Thompson wrote: I am sorry but as I mentioned above I can not see from the outside what WISPA is doing or has going on. Maybe I am not paying close enough attention, I don't know. I'll just mention TWO examples. Direct $ for $ examples, too. You may not be using these services, but they answer the question, and both were posted right here on this list. 1. Kris Twomey (even now) is selling the legal service of doing the filing for CALEA at $100 (or $125...I can't recall) for WISPA members. He charges $250 to do it for NON WISPA members. That is a direct $125 (worst case) savings. If you use this service, the real cost of a WISPA membership is $125. 2. Frank Muto sells an email filtering service (Postini) and has offered to pay for your full WISPA membership with the purchase of some level of service with him. I can't recall the specific details, but his offer makes WISPA membership absolutely free. Those are just 2 examples, both of which were posted right here on this free list. Looking from the outside it doesn't always appear that the ORG is able to uphold the code of ethics. This is mainly based off of discussions held on the freelist. I see comments from members, officers of the ORG that I feel do not uphold the above listed items from the code of ethics. I'd really like to understand what you see that makes this a true statement. Again please read this as an outsider looking in, trying to understand what WISPA has going on or as done for our industry and what the value is for me to join. I am not saying WISPA is not doing or has not done anything for our industry. I just need some help understanding. I am not gonna sell you the organization. But I will work on answering this a little. 1. WISPA is right now working on a standard that will make CALEA safe harbor VERY INEXPENSIVE for WISPs. Not just members. This is an INDUSTRY solution. 2. WISPA has been urging WISPs to file the 477 forms, which is important because it will make us, as an industry, a larger portion of the broadband deployment in the US (statistically) as far as the government is concerned. Why is this important? Besides being the law, government is working to insure that every American has access to broadband. If we are providing that service in an area and they don't know about it, they will still work on a way to get that access available. 3. WISPA has urged (on several occasions) WISPs to file comments on various spectrum issues that would be beneficial to WISPs. WISPA has (as an organization) filed comments as well. Because we don't have the $$ to hire a lobby, this is the best effort in this regard. Now it's time to ask YOU what YOU have done for our industry. Have you filed comments on the issues that will impact your business? For the most part, over the past couple of years WISPA has. Have you filed your 477? If you're not going to join, then just don't join. Stop making excuses about what are you doing...You claim to be on the list since the beginning and you can't see what's been happening? What advantage does WISPA offer you? Give me a break. WISPA has done a LOT, considering the $$ that they have to work with. Either join or don't, but stop acting as though you need to be sold because you can't find anything on the website giving you what the value of WISPA is. FWIW, I do agree that WISPA needs to do a better job of selling itself on the website, but the point (in your case) is that you are just using it as an excuse, IMO. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
That is going to take a whole lot of $25 a month membership dues. I highly suggest contacting COMPTEL and get some mentoring on what it will take to get WISPA to the level that Matt has described here. I would be happy to team up some potential people to talk to over there. COMPTEL has been a good friend of the WBIA and helped us a great deal in our beginning. It is all going to take funding. I would highly recommend a strong membership drive starting with next weeks ISPCON and any other industry conference WISP related. WISPs themselves need to understand, that their $25 monthly contributions are an INVESTMENT for their FUTURE and also provides them a contributory voice within the organization. I would also hit up the vendors of the products and services all WISPs use. Without WISPs and their growing numbers, they will limit they own sales channels. There are plenty of no-to-low cost things to do as well as those that will take some cash to do so. In any event, there is no longer a free ride that can be assumed and if this organization is to grow to the level it needs to be, it needs people and funding to do so. As others have said, what is WISPA doing to sell itself? Yes, that is an important mechanism of running an organization that needs contributory funding to work. For the most part, marketing, advertising, PR etc., has not been a strong suite for xISPs. So for this to happen, WISPA needs to step outside the peering ranks of WISPs and get a PR person/firm involved to drive membership and create the buzz of what WISPA is all about, what they are doing and what they have accomplished. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc. Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
Butch, I have also seen more valuable information shared amongst paid members such as contracts for towers, roof rights and end-user agreements. Each of these documents could be well-worth the annual fee individually. You also get voting rights which help you steer WISPA's direction. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list On Fri, 18 May 2007, Chadd Thompson wrote: I am sorry but as I mentioned above I can not see from the outside what WISPA is doing or has going on. Maybe I am not paying close enough attention, I don't know. I'll just mention TWO examples. Direct $ for $ examples, too. You may not be using these services, but they answer the question, and both were posted right here on this list. 1. Kris Twomey (even now) is selling the legal service of doing the filing for CALEA at $100 (or $125...I can't recall) for WISPA members. He charges $250 to do it for NON WISPA members. That is a direct $125 (worst case) savings. If you use this service, the real cost of a WISPA membership is $125. 2. Frank Muto sells an email filtering service (Postini) and has offered to pay for your full WISPA membership with the purchase of some level of service with him. I can't recall the specific details, but his offer makes WISPA membership absolutely free. Those are just 2 examples, both of which were posted right here on this free list. Looking from the outside it doesn't always appear that the ORG is able to uphold the code of ethics. This is mainly based off of discussions held on the freelist. I see comments from members, officers of the ORG that I feel do not uphold the above listed items from the code of ethics. I'd really like to understand what you see that makes this a true statement. Again please read this as an outsider looking in, trying to understand what WISPA has going on or as done for our industry and what the value is for me to join. I am not saying WISPA is not doing or has not done anything for our industry. I just need some help understanding. I am not gonna sell you the organization. But I will work on answering this a little. 1. WISPA is right now working on a standard that will make CALEA safe harbor VERY INEXPENSIVE for WISPs. Not just members. This is an INDUSTRY solution. 2. WISPA has been urging WISPs to file the 477 forms, which is important because it will make us, as an industry, a larger portion of the broadband deployment in the US (statistically) as far as the government is concerned. Why is this important? Besides being the law, government is working to insure that every American has access to broadband. If we are providing that service in an area and they don't know about it, they will still work on a way to get that access available. 3. WISPA has urged (on several occasions) WISPs to file comments on various spectrum issues that would be beneficial to WISPs. WISPA has (as an organization) filed comments as well. Because we don't have the $$ to hire a lobby, this is the best effort in this regard. Now it's time to ask YOU what YOU have done for our industry. Have you filed comments on the issues that will impact your business? For the most part, over the past couple of years WISPA has. Have you filed your 477? If you're not going to join, then just don't join. Stop making excuses about what are you doing...You claim to be on the list since the beginning and you can't see what's been happening? What advantage does WISPA offer you? Give me a break. WISPA has done a LOT, considering the $$ that they have to work with. Either join or don't, but stop acting as though you need to be sold because you can't find anything on the website giving you what the value of WISPA is. FWIW, I do agree that WISPA needs to do a better job of selling itself on the website, but the point (in your case) is that you are just using it as an excuse, IMO. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-MS-SIGNATURE:YES N;LANGUAGE=en-us:LeBoeuf;Cliff FN:Cliff LeBoeuf ORG:Computer Sales Services, Inc. TEL;WORK;VOICE:(985) 879-3219 ADR;WORK;PREF:;;1162 Barrow Street;Houma;LA;70360;United States of America LABEL;WORK;PREF;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:1162 Barrow Street=0D=0A= Houma, LA 70360 X-MS-OL-DEFAULT-POSTAL-ADDRESS:2 URL;WORK:www.cssla.com www.triparish.net EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MS-TEXT;CUSTOM1:Computers - Copiers -
Re: [WISPA] 180* sector choices
I have been using the Comtelco 180s and they seem to work fine. Got them from Electrocom. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 180* sector choices Does anyone on list have a set of 2.4GHz 180* sector antennas they would like to brag on? I have two towers that need to be sectored out and I am on the hunt. I would like to have as much gain as possible at the antenna. Any suggestions, comments and feed back are greatly appreciated as I have never deployed 180* sectors, but we have always used either Omni's or 3 120* sectors. These towers are just Rohn 25G and I cant seem to get enough separation up top for the 120* sectors. Been there done that and still fighting the issues it causes by mounting the 3 120* sectors too close to one another. Thanks folks, Mac -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
One thing of interest that COMPTEL does is charge a different membership fee based upon the revenue of the member. In other words, companies with more revenue pay higher membership fees. -Matt Frank Muto wrote: That is going to take a whole lot of $25 a month membership dues. I highly suggest contacting COMPTEL and get some mentoring on what it will take to get WISPA to the level that Matt has described here. I would be happy to team up some potential people to talk to over there. COMPTEL has been a good friend of the WBIA and helped us a great deal in our beginning. It is all going to take funding. I would highly recommend a strong membership drive starting with next weeks ISPCON and any other industry conference WISP related. WISPs themselves need to understand, that their $25 monthly contributions are an INVESTMENT for their FUTURE and also provides them a contributory voice within the organization. I would also hit up the vendors of the products and services all WISPs use. Without WISPs and their growing numbers, they will limit they own sales channels. There are plenty of no-to-low cost things to do as well as those that will take some cash to do so. In any event, there is no longer a free ride that can be assumed and if this organization is to grow to the level it needs to be, it needs people and funding to do so. As others have said, what is WISPA doing to sell itself? Yes, that is an important mechanism of running an organization that needs contributory funding to work. For the most part, marketing, advertising, PR etc., has not been a strong suite for xISPs. So for this to happen, WISPA needs to step outside the peering ranks of WISPs and get a PR person/firm involved to drive membership and create the buzz of what WISPA is all about, what they are doing and what they have accomplished. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc. Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
Which is true, but they have been around a long time and part of several merged associations. You need to start somewhere and by looking COMPTEL as a model, you can form a basis on how WISPA can improve. They also have a CEO council made up within COMPTEL as a separate entity. Let's look at this in a smaller scale. If you have 1k WISPs paying $25 a month, it adds up... that's $25k monthly. Now let's say you up it to $50, now you are at $50k. Now with those examples, the next issue you will get is the moans on what WISPA is doing with the money. Everyone will be on the bandwagon on what to do with the funding. So, unless the group matures and growth is established organically with the understanding that WISPs all WISPs must join together and show solidarity to those that they are working for, it does not matter what the cost is. Frank Muto - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] One thing of interest that COMPTEL does is charge a different membership fee based upon the revenue of the member. In other words, companies with more revenue pay higher membership fees. -Matt Frank Muto wrote: That is going to take a whole lot of $25 a month membership dues. I highly suggest contacting COMPTEL and get some mentoring on what it will take to get WISPA to the level that Matt has described here. I would be happy to team up some potential people to talk to over there. COMPTEL has been a good friend of the WBIA and helped us a great deal in our beginning. It is all going to take funding. I would highly recommend a strong membership drive starting with next weeks ISPCON and any other industry conference WISP related. WISPs themselves need to understand, that their $25 monthly contributions are an INVESTMENT for their FUTURE and also provides them a contributory voice within the organization. I would also hit up the vendors of the products and services all WISPs use. Without WISPs and their growing numbers, they will limit they own sales channels. There are plenty of no-to-low cost things to do as well as those that will take some cash to do so. In any event, there is no longer a free ride that can be assumed and if this organization is to grow to the level it needs to be, it needs people and funding to do so. As others have said, what is WISPA doing to sell itself? Yes, that is an important mechanism of running an organization that needs contributory funding to work. For the most part, marketing, advertising, PR etc., has not been a strong suite for xISPs. So for this to happen, WISPA needs to step outside the peering ranks of WISPs and get a PR person/firm involved to drive membership and create the buzz of what WISPA is all about, what they are doing and what they have accomplished. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc. Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
Frank Muto wrote: Now with those examples, the next issue you will get is the moans on what WISPA is doing with the money. Everyone will be on the bandwagon on what to do with the funding. So, unless the group matures and growth is established organically with the understanding that WISPs all WISPs must join together and show solidarity to those that they are working for, it does not matter what the cost is. OH, MAN! is THAT true. Even the ones who don't pay dues will be telling you how to spend it! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 180* sector choices
Mac, Before you discard the idea of using three 120* sectors are you absolutely certain that the separation issue is really due to the antennas not being far enough apart? Have you thoroughly looked at other reasons why there could be interference between three APs like: 1. Using three cards on a single motherboard in one enclosure without sufficient shielding between them. 2. Using three APs that are configured on frequencies that are too close together and are interfering with each other? I guess what I'm asking is (before you go spend money on antennas that may or may not solve the problem) what equipment are you currently using, how is it configured, and how far apart can you actually get three sector antennas on the 25G tower? jack Mac Dearman wrote: Does anyone on list have a set of 2.4GHz 180* sector antennas they would like to brag on? I have two towers that need to be sectored out and I am on the hunt. I would like to have as much gain as possible at the antenna. Any suggestions, comments and feed back are greatly appreciated as I have never deployed 180* sectors, but we have always used either Omni's or 3 120* sectors. These towers are just Rohn 25G and I cant seem to get enough separation up top for the 120* sectors. Been there done that and still fighting the issues it causes by mounting the 3 120* sectors too close to one another. Thanks folks, Mac -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)]
Dangit Marlon - I thought you were going to take care of this ! If your performance and timeliness doesn't improve immediately, I'll have you in Idaho pickin potatoes ! JohnnyO - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Why wasn't this done yesterday? I asked that it be done then. The people of Waltonville deserve better than three days of bad service. Scriv David E. Smith wrote: Apparently, we will have to run new Ethernet cable at the Waltonville tower, as we've now replaced basically everything else there and the AP is still doing weird freaky stuff. yay. Tell Ron I'm sorry, then clear his morning schedule. dave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
Well as a new member to Wispa I have already got back half my dues by using Kris Twomey, and I am gonna look at Frank Muto's product. Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list On Fri, 18 May 2007, Chadd Thompson wrote: I am sorry but as I mentioned above I can not see from the outside what WISPA is doing or has going on. Maybe I am not paying close enough attention, I don't know. I'll just mention TWO examples. Direct $ for $ examples, too. You may not be using these services, but they answer the question, and both were posted right here on this list. 1. Kris Twomey (even now) is selling the legal service of doing the filing for CALEA at $100 (or $125...I can't recall) for WISPA members. He charges $250 to do it for NON WISPA members. That is a direct $125 (worst case) savings. If you use this service, the real cost of a WISPA membership is $125. 2. Frank Muto sells an email filtering service (Postini) and has offered to pay for your full WISPA membership with the purchase of some level of service with him. I can't recall the specific details, but his offer makes WISPA membership absolutely free. Those are just 2 examples, both of which were posted right here on this free list. Looking from the outside it doesn't always appear that the ORG is able to uphold the code of ethics. This is mainly based off of discussions held on the freelist. I see comments from members, officers of the ORG that I feel do not uphold the above listed items from the code of ethics. I'd really like to understand what you see that makes this a true statement. Again please read this as an outsider looking in, trying to understand what WISPA has going on or as done for our industry and what the value is for me to join. I am not saying WISPA is not doing or has not done anything for our industry. I just need some help understanding. I am not gonna sell you the organization. But I will work on answering this a little. 1. WISPA is right now working on a standard that will make CALEA safe harbor VERY INEXPENSIVE for WISPs. Not just members. This is an INDUSTRY solution. 2. WISPA has been urging WISPs to file the 477 forms, which is important because it will make us, as an industry, a larger portion of the broadband deployment in the US (statistically) as far as the government is concerned. Why is this important? Besides being the law, government is working to insure that every American has access to broadband. If we are providing that service in an area and they don't know about it, they will still work on a way to get that access available. 3. WISPA has urged (on several occasions) WISPs to file comments on various spectrum issues that would be beneficial to WISPs. WISPA has (as an organization) filed comments as well. Because we don't have the $$ to hire a lobby, this is the best effort in this regard. Now it's time to ask YOU what YOU have done for our industry. Have you filed comments on the issues that will impact your business? For the most part, over the past couple of years WISPA has. Have you filed your 477? If you're not going to join, then just don't join. Stop making excuses about what are you doing...You claim to be on the list since the beginning and you can't see what's been happening? What advantage does WISPA offer you? Give me a break. WISPA has done a LOT, considering the $$ that they have to work with. Either join or don't, but stop acting as though you need to be sold because you can't find anything on the website giving you what the value of WISPA is. FWIW, I do agree that WISPA needs to do a better job of selling itself on the website, but the point (in your case) is that you are just using it as an excuse, IMO. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
Same here with Kris Twomey, and I AM now using Frank Muto's Postini product... He gives a good discount to WISPA members, gave a 30-day trial, and spent alot of time on the phone with me in training. Now it's like Spam? What spam? from my customers that I have turned it on for. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Robert Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:33 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list Well as a new member to Wispa I have already got back half my dues by using Kris Twomey, and I am gonna look at Frank Muto's product. Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list On Fri, 18 May 2007, Chadd Thompson wrote: I am sorry but as I mentioned above I can not see from the outside what WISPA is doing or has going on. Maybe I am not paying close enough attention, I don't know. I'll just mention TWO examples. Direct $ for $ examples, too. You may not be using these services, but they answer the question, and both were posted right here on this list. 1. Kris Twomey (even now) is selling the legal service of doing the filing for CALEA at $100 (or $125...I can't recall) for WISPA members. He charges $250 to do it for NON WISPA members. That is a direct $125 (worst case) savings. If you use this service, the real cost of a WISPA membership is $125. 2. Frank Muto sells an email filtering service (Postini) and has offered to pay for your full WISPA membership with the purchase of some level of service with him. I can't recall the specific details, but his offer makes WISPA membership absolutely free. Those are just 2 examples, both of which were posted right here on this free list. Looking from the outside it doesn't always appear that the ORG is able to uphold the code of ethics. This is mainly based off of discussions held on the freelist. I see comments from members, officers of the ORG that I feel do not uphold the above listed items from the code of ethics. I'd really like to understand what you see that makes this a true statement. Again please read this as an outsider looking in, trying to understand what WISPA has going on or as done for our industry and what the value is for me to join. I am not saying WISPA is not doing or has not done anything for our industry. I just need some help understanding. I am not gonna sell you the organization. But I will work on answering this a little. 1. WISPA is right now working on a standard that will make CALEA safe harbor VERY INEXPENSIVE for WISPs. Not just members. This is an INDUSTRY solution. 2. WISPA has been urging WISPs to file the 477 forms, which is important because it will make us, as an industry, a larger portion of the broadband deployment in the US (statistically) as far as the government is concerned. Why is this important? Besides being the law, government is working to insure that every American has access to broadband. If we are providing that service in an area and they don't know about it, they will still work on a way to get that access available. 3. WISPA has urged (on several occasions) WISPs to file comments on various spectrum issues that would be beneficial to WISPs. WISPA has (as an organization) filed comments as well. Because we don't have the $$ to hire a lobby, this is the best effort in this regard. Now it's time to ask YOU what YOU have done for our industry. Have you filed comments on the issues that will impact your business? For the most part, over the past couple of years WISPA has. Have you filed your 477? If you're not going to join, then just don't join. Stop making excuses about what are you doing...You claim to be on the list since the beginning and you can't see what's been happening? What advantage does WISPA offer you? Give me a break. WISPA has done a LOT, considering the $$ that they have to work with. Either join or don't, but stop acting as though you need to be sold because you can't find anything on the website giving you what the value of WISPA is. FWIW, I do agree that WISPA needs to do a better job of selling itself on the website, but the point (in your case) is that you are just using it as an excuse, IMO. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Signal opinions
Mark, For starters, this can be due to: 1. Lower transmit power on CPE radio compared to AP radio (the CPE transmitter may be bad or the CPE may just have a lower rated power output than the AP transmitter) 2. Too-low CPE antenna gain (use as high a gain as the FCC and the homeowner and the antenna mounting facilities allow) 3. Obstructions at or near the CPE end (you may need to raise the antenna higher) 4. Low sensitivity on AP receiver (does this disparity happen on all clients or on just one client?) jack Mark McElvy wrote: I run Mikrotik AP's, 15db 120 sectors, WLM54G radios, running Tranzeo CPQ radios. I have noticed on one sector specifically but not positive about the others, that the CPQ can see the AP with a -75 and the AP will see the client a -90. I don't understand the disparity between the radios. Mark McElvy -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
I wanted to make the dues $1 per year per customer. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? One thing of interest that COMPTEL does is charge a different membership fee based upon the revenue of the member. In other words, companies with more revenue pay higher membership fees. -Matt Frank Muto wrote: That is going to take a whole lot of $25 a month membership dues. I highly suggest contacting COMPTEL and get some mentoring on what it will take to get WISPA to the level that Matt has described here. I would be happy to team up some potential people to talk to over there. COMPTEL has been a good friend of the WBIA and helped us a great deal in our beginning. It is all going to take funding. I would highly recommend a strong membership drive starting with next weeks ISPCON and any other industry conference WISP related. WISPs themselves need to understand, that their $25 monthly contributions are an INVESTMENT for their FUTURE and also provides them a contributory voice within the organization. I would also hit up the vendors of the products and services all WISPs use. Without WISPs and their growing numbers, they will limit they own sales channels. There are plenty of no-to-low cost things to do as well as those that will take some cash to do so. In any event, there is no longer a free ride that can be assumed and if this organization is to grow to the level it needs to be, it needs people and funding to do so. As others have said, what is WISPA doing to sell itself? Yes, that is an important mechanism of running an organization that needs contributory funding to work. For the most part, marketing, advertising, PR etc., has not been a strong suite for xISPs. So for this to happen, WISPA needs to step outside the peering ranks of WISPs and get a PR person/firm involved to drive membership and create the buzz of what WISPA is all about, what they are doing and what they have accomplished. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc. Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
You've got this backward Peter. The question is, what value to they bring to WISPA? Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
We do accept donations at any time! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I completely agree with you. WISPA doesn't charge enough to do what I believe should be their mission. -Matt Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Hi Folks, I am mostly a lurker, being a wireline based ISP, however cannot resist putting my two cents in it. If this is what you all want WISPA to do, then you all need to be realistic in contributing a heck of lot more than the pidly few bucks to the WISP fund. More like a few thousand's) $ / year in membership dues. The type of role you are suggesting WISP do, can be best done by dedicated Full Time Professionals (Folks like Kris Tome / Jack Unger etc etc ) none of them are inexpensive nor can afford to work for free. Heck, even the US Chamber of Commerce, who calims to play an active role in Washington DC, gets more in membership dues than WISPA, and they work of a much much larger base of members (All kinds of business from all over the US). It is great to ask for the Moon, but also have to be realistically prepared to pay the price for it ! (p.s. I am not trying to offend anyone or pick on anyone, just expressing a dose of reality). Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)]
I'm sorry! No I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD. I'm even built like Jake! hehehehee For those that don't get it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Dangit Marlon - I thought you were going to take care of this ! If your performance and timeliness doesn't improve immediately, I'll have you in Idaho pickin potatoes ! JohnnyO - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Why wasn't this done yesterday? I asked that it be done then. The people of Waltonville deserve better than three days of bad service. Scriv David E. Smith wrote: Apparently, we will have to run new Ethernet cable at the Waltonville tower, as we've now replaced basically everything else there and the AP is still doing weird freaky stuff. yay. Tell Ron I'm sorry, then clear his morning schedule. dave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)]
Hey Dude Quit stealin' my lines, man... Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I'm sorry! No I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD. I'm even built like Jake! hehehehee For those that don't get it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Dangit Marlon - I thought you were going to take care of this ! If your performance and timeliness doesn't improve immediately, I'll have you in Idaho pickin potatoes ! JohnnyO - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] earlier stuff disappeared just like it never existed -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: Waltonville (third time's the charm)
You sir have too much time on your hands. :-) -B- Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 writes: I'm sorry! No I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD. I'm even built like Jake! hehehehee For those that don't get it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Dangit Marlon - I thought you were going to take care of this ! If your performance and timeliness doesn't improve immediately, I'll have you in Idaho pickin potatoes ! JohnnyO - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Why wasn't this done yesterday? I asked that it be done then. The people of Waltonville deserve better than three days of bad service. Scriv David E. Smith wrote: Apparently, we will have to run new Ethernet cable at the Waltonville tower, as we've now replaced basically everything else there and the AP is still doing weird freaky stuff. yay. Tell Ron I'm sorry, then clear his morning schedule. dave - --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
We want pictures! Seen this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnxKJqmtITE Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email you are right. I will have to come there, cus this poor state is trying to outlaw the ar 15 and others... Now that you mention it, i know a friend that has an AR 15... that sounds really cooll.The smiley face would look pretty cool with that... thanks Marlon - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross, you need to come up here and use my AR-15 to do the shooting Much more fun to blow 30 small holes though the POS in a few seconds than a few big ones in a couple of minutes! big grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I appreciate it, but the financial side of it has my attention. .It is truly a depreciable asset as long As I own it. I would lose that if I sold it. So, i will still shoot it... and place it in a trophy case and thenpost the video for you all to see. I will call it barracuda hunting... lol - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :) My point really was that, since the Barracuda is just PC hardware, it's not a total loss (and probably not worth shooting). Even if you don't want to filter email with it, it still has some value. (From what I know of how they're built, I'd guess a recent Barracuda 400, which retails for about $4000, is probably worth $1000 or so from the hardware included. Paradoxically, the older ones are probably worth a bit more, as they had a hardware RAID controller instead of using Linux software RAID.) If you really were gonna shoot it (and that wasn't just a gesture of frustration), seriously, between Butch Evans and I, we'll find a good home for it (that has nothing to do with email). David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Waltonville (third time's the charm)
I think that is what I will be doing Monday, it's about the right distance even. Maybe I better find a side kick and some dark sunglasses. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 2:15 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Waltonville (third time's the charm) That's a great line, but I've always liked this one better: Elwood: It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses. Jake: Hit it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Waltonville (third time's the charm) LOL Google is sometimes very helpful. I love the Blues Brothers! I knew just what I wanted but couldn't remember the exact quote. Took all of 30 seconds to find it. Now if only a nice CALEA solution was that fast :-) How have you been stranger? I tried calling a couple of times but only got voice jail. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Re: Waltonville (third time's the charm) You sir have too much time on your hands. :-) -B- Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 writes: I'm sorry! No I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD. I'm even built like Jake! hehehehee For those that don't get it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Dangit Marlon - I thought you were going to take care of this ! If your performance and timeliness doesn't improve immediately, I'll have you in Idaho pickin potatoes ! JohnnyO - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Why wasn't this done yesterday? I asked that it be done then. The people of Waltonville deserve better than three days of bad service. Scriv David E. Smith wrote: Apparently, we will have to run new Ethernet cable at the Waltonville tower, as we've now replaced basically everything else there and the AP is still doing weird freaky stuff. yay. Tell Ron I'm sorry, then clear his morning schedule. dave - --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Raising the Broadband definition
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070517-house-dems-broadband-isnt-broadband-unless-its-2-mbps.html Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
Now that's something even I could afford! ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I wanted to make the dues $1 per year per customer. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? One thing of interest that COMPTEL does is charge a different membership fee based upon the revenue of the member. In other words, companies with more revenue pay higher membership fees. -Matt Frank Muto wrote: That is going to take a whole lot of $25 a month membership dues. I highly suggest contacting COMPTEL and get some mentoring on what it will take to get WISPA to the level that Matt has described here. I would be happy to team up some potential people to talk to over there. COMPTEL has been a good friend of the WBIA and helped us a great deal in our beginning. It is all going to take funding. I would highly recommend a strong membership drive starting with next weeks ISPCON and any other industry conference WISP related. WISPs themselves need to understand, that their $25 monthly contributions are an INVESTMENT for their FUTURE and also provides them a contributory voice within the organization. I would also hit up the vendors of the products and services all WISPs use. Without WISPs and their growing numbers, they will limit they own sales channels. There are plenty of no-to-low cost things to do as well as those that will take some cash to do so. In any event, there is no longer a free ride that can be assumed and if this organization is to grow to the level it needs to be, it needs people and funding to do so. As others have said, what is WISPA doing to sell itself? Yes, that is an important mechanism of running an organization that needs contributory funding to work. For the most part, marketing, advertising, PR etc., has not been a strong suite for xISPs. So for this to happen, WISPA needs to step outside the peering ranks of WISPs and get a PR person/firm involved to drive membership and create the buzz of what WISPA is all about, what they are doing and what they have accomplished. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc. Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Signal opinions
It's probably a bad receive section on the ap. Try replacing the radio. I've also seen water do strange things like this. Higher powered TX signals get though ok, but receive ones don't. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] Signal opinions I run Mikrotik AP's, 15db 120 sectors, WLM54G radios, running Tranzeo CPQ radios. I have noticed on one sector specifically but not positive about the others, that the CPQ can see the AP with a -75 and the AP will see the client a -90. I don't understand the disparity between the radios. Mark McElvy -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Marlon, It is doubtfull I will be able to top that, but I will have to try. that was great... - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email We want pictures! Seen this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnxKJqmtITE Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email you are right. I will have to come there, cus this poor state is trying to outlaw the ar 15 and others... Now that you mention it, i know a friend that has an AR 15... that sounds really cooll.The smiley face would look pretty cool with that... thanks Marlon - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross, you need to come up here and use my AR-15 to do the shooting Much more fun to blow 30 small holes though the POS in a few seconds than a few big ones in a couple of minutes! big grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I appreciate it, but the financial side of it has my attention. .It is truly a depreciable asset as long As I own it. I would lose that if I sold it. So, i will still shoot it... and place it in a trophy case and thenpost the video for you all to see. I will call it barracuda hunting... lol - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :) My point really was that, since the Barracuda is just PC hardware, it's not a total loss (and probably not worth shooting). Even if you don't want to filter email with it, it still has some value. (From what I know of how they're built, I'd guess a recent Barracuda 400, which retails for about $4000, is probably worth $1000 or so from the hardware included. Paradoxically, the older ones are probably worth a bit more, as they had a hardware RAID controller instead of using Linux software RAID.) If you really were gonna shoot it (and that wasn't just a gesture of frustration), seriously, between Butch Evans and I, we'll find a good home for it (that has nothing to do with email). David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
I do grow tired of this subject coming up every so often, questioning the 'value' of WISPA. The time of those who contribute paragraph upon paragraph upon paragraph upon paragraph upon paragraph is worth 1000X what I pay in dues anually. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? Now that's something even I could afford! ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I wanted to make the dues $1 per year per customer. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? One thing of interest that COMPTEL does is charge a different membership fee based upon the revenue of the member. In other words, companies with more revenue pay higher membership fees. -Matt Frank Muto wrote: That is going to take a whole lot of $25 a month membership dues. I highly suggest contacting COMPTEL and get some mentoring on what it will take to get WISPA to the level that Matt has described here. I would be happy to team up some potential people to talk to over there. COMPTEL has been a good friend of the WBIA and helped us a great deal in our beginning. It is all going to take funding. I would highly recommend a strong membership drive starting with next weeks ISPCON and any other industry conference WISP related. WISPs themselves need to understand, that their $25 monthly contributions are an INVESTMENT for their FUTURE and also provides them a contributory voice within the organization. I would also hit up the vendors of the products and services all WISPs use. Without WISPs and their growing numbers, they will limit they own sales channels. There are plenty of no-to-low cost things to do as well as those that will take some cash to do so. In any event, there is no longer a free ride that can be assumed and if this organization is to grow to the level it needs to be, it needs people and funding to do so. As others have said, what is WISPA doing to sell itself? Yes, that is an important mechanism of running an organization that needs contributory funding to work. For the most part, marketing, advertising, PR etc., has not been a strong suite for xISPs. So for this to happen, WISPA needs to step outside the peering ranks of WISPs and get a PR person/firm involved to drive membership and create the buzz of what WISPA is all about, what they are doing and what they have accomplished. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc. Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
LOL, you'd have to pay me! -RickG On 5/18/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that's something even I could afford! ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I wanted to make the dues $1 per year per customer. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? One thing of interest that COMPTEL does is charge a different membership fee based upon the revenue of the member. In other words, companies with more revenue pay higher membership fees. -Matt Frank Muto wrote: That is going to take a whole lot of $25 a month membership dues. I highly suggest contacting COMPTEL and get some mentoring on what it will take to get WISPA to the level that Matt has described here. I would be happy to team up some potential people to talk to over there. COMPTEL has been a good friend of the WBIA and helped us a great deal in our beginning. It is all going to take funding. I would highly recommend a strong membership drive starting with next weeks ISPCON and any other industry conference WISP related. WISPs themselves need to understand, that their $25 monthly contributions are an INVESTMENT for their FUTURE and also provides them a contributory voice within the organization. I would also hit up the vendors of the products and services all WISPs use. Without WISPs and their growing numbers, they will limit they own sales channels. There are plenty of no-to-low cost things to do as well as those that will take some cash to do so. In any event, there is no longer a free ride that can be assumed and if this organization is to grow to the level it needs to be, it needs people and funding to do so. As others have said, what is WISPA doing to sell itself? Yes, that is an important mechanism of running an organization that needs contributory funding to work. For the most part, marketing, advertising, PR etc., has not been a strong suite for xISPs. So for this to happen, WISPA needs to step outside the peering ranks of WISPs and get a PR person/firm involved to drive membership and create the buzz of what WISPA is all about, what they are doing and what they have accomplished. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc. Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? I know you didn't ask me, but that has never stopped me from speaking up. I want WISPA to spend its time and money primarily on spectrum issues. I like to see the organization meet with the FCC on a regular basis, publish position papers, and comment on every FCC issue that impacts us. I'd also like to see it issue a press release on the wires every time it does so. Whatever size this industry actual is much larger than it is perceived to be. WISPA needs to change that. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Chadd, Lonnie, and the rest, It is obviously a sales issue: No one has sold you on the value of WISPA. Or WISPA is not solving some pain you have. How about you tell us what would be good value? What specifically are you looking for the organization to do for you? This is a good time (pre-election). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Signal opinions
Client is a CPQ-19, 200mw/19db It is mounted on a 45 foot mast. If it was obstructions would I not see it at the client end as well? I was kinda thinking #4, I need to go through all of the clients to compare the different signals. Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Signal opinions Mark, For starters, this can be due to: 1. Lower transmit power on CPE radio compared to AP radio (the CPE transmitter may be bad or the CPE may just have a lower rated power output than the AP transmitter) 2. Too-low CPE antenna gain (use as high a gain as the FCC and the homeowner and the antenna mounting facilities allow) 3. Obstructions at or near the CPE end (you may need to raise the antenna higher) 4. Low sensitivity on AP receiver (does this disparity happen on all clients or on just one client?) jack Mark McElvy wrote: I run Mikrotik AP's, 15db 120 sectors, WLM54G radios, running Tranzeo CPQ radios. I have noticed on one sector specifically but not positive about the others, that the CPQ can see the AP with a -75 and the AP will see the client a -90. I don't understand the disparity between the radios. Mark McElvy -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Waltonville (third time's the charm)
LOL Google is sometimes very helpful. I love the Blues Brothers! I knew just what I wanted but couldn't remember the exact quote. Took all of 30 seconds to find it. Now if only a nice CALEA solution was that fast :-) How have you been stranger? I tried calling a couple of times but only got voice jail. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Re: Waltonville (third time's the charm) You sir have too much time on your hands. :-) -B- Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 writes: I'm sorry! No I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD. I'm even built like Jake! hehehehee For those that don't get it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Dangit Marlon - I thought you were going to take care of this ! If your performance and timeliness doesn't improve immediately, I'll have you in Idaho pickin potatoes ! JohnnyO - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Why wasn't this done yesterday? I asked that it be done then. The people of Waltonville deserve better than three days of bad service. Scriv David E. Smith wrote: Apparently, we will have to run new Ethernet cable at the Waltonville tower, as we've now replaced basically everything else there and the AP is still doing weird freaky stuff. yay. Tell Ron I'm sorry, then clear his morning schedule. dave - --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: Waltonville (third time's the charm)
Been too busy. I have no life. My Calea solution is a snap. Set the whole system up on a crappy removal hard drive that doesn't store data. When the feds show up, pull the hard drive and give it to them. When they complain tell them it worked when you gave it to them! The feds love semantics. :-) There is not enough money to be made as a WISP (a few excluded) to be bothered with all that nonsense IMHO. I know its the law but so is illegal immigration. Sheesh...I have over 40,000 illegal aliens within 25 miles of my office doing work off the books and the federal government isn't doing anything about them. I'm off to my next job. Later... -B- Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 writes: LOL Google is sometimes very helpful. I love the Blues Brothers! I knew just what I wanted but couldn't remember the exact quote. Took all of 30 seconds to find it. Now if only a nice CALEA solution was that fast :-) How have you been stranger? I tried calling a couple of times but only got voice jail. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Re: Waltonville (third time's the charm) You sir have too much time on your hands. :-) -B- Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 writes: I'm sorry! No I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD. I'm even built like Jake! hehehehee For those that don't get it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Dangit Marlon - I thought you were going to take care of this ! If your performance and timeliness doesn't improve immediately, I'll have you in Idaho pickin potatoes ! JohnnyO - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Why wasn't this done yesterday? I asked that it be done then. The people of Waltonville deserve better than three days of bad service. Scriv David E. Smith wrote: Apparently, we will have to run new Ethernet cable at the Waltonville tower, as we've now replaced basically everything else there and the AP is still doing weird freaky stuff. yay. Tell Ron I'm sorry, then clear his morning schedule. dave --- -- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Waltonville (third time's the charm)
That's a great line, but I've always liked this one better: Elwood: It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses. Jake: Hit it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Waltonville (third time's the charm) LOL Google is sometimes very helpful. I love the Blues Brothers! I knew just what I wanted but couldn't remember the exact quote. Took all of 30 seconds to find it. Now if only a nice CALEA solution was that fast :-) How have you been stranger? I tried calling a couple of times but only got voice jail. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Re: Waltonville (third time's the charm) You sir have too much time on your hands. :-) -B- Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 writes: I'm sorry! No I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD. I'm even built like Jake! hehehehee For those that don't get it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Dangit Marlon - I thought you were going to take care of this ! If your performance and timeliness doesn't improve immediately, I'll have you in Idaho pickin potatoes ! JohnnyO - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Why wasn't this done yesterday? I asked that it be done then. The people of Waltonville deserve better than three days of bad service. Scriv David E. Smith wrote: Apparently, we will have to run new Ethernet cable at the Waltonville tower, as we've now replaced basically everything else there and the AP is still doing weird freaky stuff. yay. Tell Ron I'm sorry, then clear his morning schedule. dave - --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Raising the Broadband definition
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070517-house-dems-broadband-isnt-broadband-unless-its-2-mbps.html Does that mean if we do not offer services of 2mbps or above we do not have to be Calea compliant? Great! Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Signal opinions
Mark, Obstructions may or may not have the same impact on transmitted and received signals. Obstructions near the CPE can sometimes have a bigger impact on your CPE transmit signals than on the incoming signal from the AP. Yeah, if all the signals incoming to the AP are low then you have an AP or an AP antenna system problem. jack Mark McElvy wrote: Client is a CPQ-19, 200mw/19db It is mounted on a 45 foot mast. If it was obstructions would I not see it at the client end as well? I was kinda thinking #4, I need to go through all of the clients to compare the different signals. Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Signal opinions Mark, For starters, this can be due to: 1. Lower transmit power on CPE radio compared to AP radio (the CPE transmitter may be bad or the CPE may just have a lower rated power output than the AP transmitter) 2. Too-low CPE antenna gain (use as high a gain as the FCC and the homeowner and the antenna mounting facilities allow) 3. Obstructions at or near the CPE end (you may need to raise the antenna higher) 4. Low sensitivity on AP receiver (does this disparity happen on all clients or on just one client?) jack Mark McElvy wrote: I run Mikrotik AP's, 15db 120 sectors, WLM54G radios, running Tranzeo CPQ radios. I have noticed on one sector specifically but not positive about the others, that the CPQ can see the AP with a -75 and the AP will see the client a -90. I don't understand the disparity between the radios. Mark McElvy -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Raising the Broadband definition
Yep Matt wrote: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070517-house-dems-broadband-isnt-broadband-unless-its-2-mbps.html Does that mean if we do not offer services of 2mbps or above we do not have to be Calea compliant? Great! Matt -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Raising the Broadband definition
Matt wrote: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070517-house-dems-broadband-isnt-broadband-unless-its-2-mbps.html Does that mean if we do not offer services of 2mbps or above we do not have to be Calea compliant? Great! Matt Only if it passes into law. Otherwise the standing FCC definition is 200k minimum in one direction. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] NTIA?
Doesn't this sound like a mini FCC? http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/aboutntia/aboutntia.htm About the NTIA The National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) is the President's principal adviser on telecommunications and information policy issues, and in this role frequently works with other Executive Branch agencies to develop and present the Administration's position on these issues. Since its creation in 1978, NTIA has been at the cutting edge of critical issues. In addition to representing the Executive Branch in both domestic and international telecommunications and information policy activities, NTIA also manages the Federal use of spectrum; performs cutting-edge telecommunications research and engineering, including resolving technical telecommunications issues for the Federal government and private sector; and administers infrastructure and public telecommunications facilities grants. The telecommunications and information revolution is bringing dramatic growth and change to the nation's economic, social, and political life. As a result, our fundamental mission is to promote market-based policies which lower prices to consumers and encourage innovation, while harnessing the resources of the Federal government to support spectrum-based technologies which enhance efficiency and productivity. *NTIA Line Offices * The *Office of Spectrum Management http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/osmhome.html* (OSM) formulates and establishes plans and policies that ensure the effective, efficient, and equitable use of the spectrum both nationally and internationally. Through the development of long range spectrum plans, the OSM is prepared to address future Federal government spectrum requirements, including public safety operations and the coordination and registration of Federal government satellite networks. The OSM also satisfies the frequency assignment needs of the Federal agencies and provides spectrum certification for new Federal agency radio communication systems. The *Office of Policy Analysis and Development http://www.ntia.doc.gov/opadhome/opadhome.html* (OPAD) is the domestic policy division of the NTIA. OPAD supports NTIA's role as principal adviser to the Executive Branch and the Secretary of Commerce on telecommunications and information policies by conducting research and analysis and preparing policy recommendations. The domestic policy office generates policies that promote innovation, competition, and economic growth for the benefit of American businesses and consumers. The *Office of International Affairs* http://www.ntia.doc.gov/oiahome/oiahome.html (OIA) develops and implements policies to enhance U.S. companies' ability to compete globally in the information technology and communications (ICT) sectors. In consultation with other U.S. agencies and the U.S. private sector, OIA participates in international and regional fora to promote policies that open ICT markets and encourage competition. The *Institute for Telecommunication Sciences* http://www.its.bldrdoc.gov/ (ITS) is the research and engineering laboratory of the NTIA. ITS provides technical support to NTIA in advancing telecommunications and information infrastructure development, enhancing domestic competition, improving U.S. telecommunications trade opportunities, and promoting more efficient and effective use of the radio spectrum. ITS also serves as a principal Federal resource for investigating the telecommunications challenges of other Federal agencies, state and local governments, private corporations and associations, and international organizations. The *Office of Telecommunications and Information Applications* http://www.ntia.doc.gov/otiahome/otiahome.html (OTIA) administers two programs: the /*Technology Opportunities Program*/ http://www.ntia.doc.gov/top (TOP) and the /*Public Telecommunications Facilities Program http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ptfp*/ (PTFP). From 1994 to 2004, TOP provided matching grants to non-profit organizations and state and local governments across the United States to demonstrate innovative applications of advanced telecommunications and information technology. PTFP awards grants to public broadcasting and other noncommercial entities for the purchase of telecommunications equipment. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 10:17:22AM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I wanted to make the dues $1 per year per customer. Now, is that $1 per wireless customer, or per customer in general? I work for an old style ISP who has several thousand customers but only a few hundred of them are wireless. I just joined the lists to see if WISPA is something we need to be involved in. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA?
IIRC, the NTIA is the Federal Government's FCC. The FCC is for non-federal government. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: [WISPA] NTIA? Doesn't this sound like a mini FCC? http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/aboutntia/aboutntia.htm About the NTIA The National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) is the President's principal adviser on telecommunications and information policy issues, and in this role frequently works with other Executive Branch agencies to develop and present the Administration's position on these issues. Since its creation in 1978, NTIA has been at the cutting edge of critical issues. In addition to representing the Executive Branch in both domestic and international telecommunications and information policy activities, NTIA also manages the Federal use of spectrum; performs cutting-edge telecommunications research and engineering, including resolving technical telecommunications issues for the Federal government and private sector; and administers infrastructure and public telecommunications facilities grants. The telecommunications and information revolution is bringing dramatic growth and change to the nation's economic, social, and political life. As a result, our fundamental mission is to promote market-based policies which lower prices to consumers and encourage innovation, while harnessing the resources of the Federal government to support spectrum-based technologies which enhance efficiency and productivity. *NTIA Line Offices * The *Office of Spectrum Management http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/osmhome.html* (OSM) formulates and establishes plans and policies that ensure the effective, efficient, and equitable use of the spectrum both nationally and internationally. Through the development of long range spectrum plans, the OSM is prepared to address future Federal government spectrum requirements, including public safety operations and the coordination and registration of Federal government satellite networks. The OSM also satisfies the frequency assignment needs of the Federal agencies and provides spectrum certification for new Federal agency radio communication systems. The *Office of Policy Analysis and Development http://www.ntia.doc.gov/opadhome/opadhome.html* (OPAD) is the domestic policy division of the NTIA. OPAD supports NTIA's role as principal adviser to the Executive Branch and the Secretary of Commerce on telecommunications and information policies by conducting research and analysis and preparing policy recommendations. The domestic policy office generates policies that promote innovation, competition, and economic growth for the benefit of American businesses and consumers. The *Office of International Affairs* http://www.ntia.doc.gov/oiahome/oiahome.html (OIA) develops and implements policies to enhance U.S. companies' ability to compete globally in the information technology and communications (ICT) sectors. In consultation with other U.S. agencies and the U.S. private sector, OIA participates in international and regional fora to promote policies that open ICT markets and encourage competition. The *Institute for Telecommunication Sciences* http://www.its.bldrdoc.gov/ (ITS) is the research and engineering laboratory of the NTIA. ITS provides technical support to NTIA in advancing telecommunications and information infrastructure development, enhancing domestic competition, improving U.S. telecommunications trade opportunities, and promoting more efficient and effective use of the radio spectrum. ITS also serves as a principal Federal resource for investigating the telecommunications challenges of other Federal agencies, state and local governments, private corporations and associations, and international organizations. The *Office of Telecommunications and Information Applications* http://www.ntia.doc.gov/otiahome/otiahome.html (OTIA) administers two programs: the /*Technology Opportunities Program*/ http://www.ntia.doc.gov/top (TOP) and the /*Public Telecommunications Facilities Program http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ptfp*/ (PTFP). From 1994 to 2004, TOP provided matching grants to non-profit organizations and state and local governments across the United States to demonstrate innovative applications of advanced telecommunications and information technology. PTFP awards grants to public broadcasting and other noncommercial entities for the purchase of telecommunications equipment. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
RE: [WISPA] 180* sector choices
See in line please Behalf of Jack Unger Mac, Before you discard the idea of using three 120* sectors are you absolutely certain that the separation issue is really due to the antennas not being far enough apart? Have you thoroughly looked at other reasons why there could be interference between three APs like: [Mac says:] Well Jack - I'd like to think that I have exhausted the other possibilities :-) but I am always willing to listen. 1. Using three cards on a single motherboard in one enclosure without sufficient shielding between them. [Mac says:] All of our sector arrays utilize 3 different enclosures with one radio to the enclosure and then I try to separate the enclosures (and antennas) as far as possible. 2. Using three APs that are configured on frequencies that are too close together and are interfering with each other? [Mac says:] Unless we deploy 4 90* sectors we use non overlapping channels (1, 6 11) I guess what I'm asking is (before you go spend money on antennas that may or may not solve the problem) what equipment are you currently using, how is it configured, and how far apart can you actually get three sector antennas on the 25G tower? jack [Mac says:] I have come to the conclusion that it is interference from the backplane of the antennas due to not having adequate separation from each other. These small towers (although 180') like Rohn 25G aren't but 12 across - so you wind up with the 3 sectors only 1' apart at their bases. I wish you had some more ideas :-), but thanks for the thought and the time! Mac -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
Would have been per wireless sub. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Scott Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA? On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 10:17:22AM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I wanted to make the dues $1 per year per customer. Now, is that $1 per wireless customer, or per customer in general? I work for an old style ISP who has several thousand customers but only a few hundred of them are wireless. I just joined the lists to see if WISPA is something we need to be involved in. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 180* sector choices
Mac, Thanks for replying to my concerns and suggestions. Have you tried using 5 to 10 feet of vertical separation between the antennas rather than mounting them all at the same height? 10 feet of vertical separation should be enough to prevent one AP transmitter from overloading another AP receiver. Secondly, single-channel bandpass filters are available which will provide additional receiver protection from nearby transmitters operating on non-overlapping frequencies. Finally, higher-priced antennas normally have a higher front-to-back ratio which increases isolation (minimizes interaction) between the antennas. A minimum f/b ratio of 30 dBm is recommended. Keep in mind that without dealing with these antenna isolation issues, you will likely have the same problems using two 180* sector antennas as you have had using three 120* sector antennas. jack Mac Dearman wrote: See in line please Behalf of Jack Unger Mac, Before you discard the idea of using three 120* sectors are you absolutely certain that the separation issue is really due to the antennas not being far enough apart? Have you thoroughly looked at other reasons why there could be interference between three APs like: [Mac says:] Well Jack - I'd like to think that I have exhausted the other possibilities :-) but I am always willing to listen. 1. Using three cards on a single motherboard in one enclosure without sufficient shielding between them. [Mac says:] All of our sector arrays utilize 3 different enclosures with one radio to the enclosure and then I try to separate the enclosures (and antennas) as far as possible. 2. Using three APs that are configured on frequencies that are too close together and are interfering with each other? [Mac says:] Unless we deploy 4 90* sectors we use non overlapping channels (1, 6 11) I guess what I'm asking is (before you go spend money on antennas that may or may not solve the problem) what equipment are you currently using, how is it configured, and how far apart can you actually get three sector antennas on the 25G tower? jack [Mac says:] I have come to the conclusion that it is interference from the backplane of the antennas due to not having adequate separation from each other. These small towers (although 180') like Rohn 25G aren't but 12 across - so you wind up with the 3 sectors only 1' apart at their bases. I wish you had some more ideas :-), but thanks for the thought and the time! Mac -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 180* sector choices
Inline again :-) Behalf Of Jack Unger Mac, Thanks for replying to my concerns and suggestions. Have you tried using 5 to 10 feet of vertical separation between the antennas rather than mounting them all at the same height? 10 feet of vertical separation should be enough to prevent one AP transmitter from overloading another AP receiver. [Mac says:] Now you are talking the Jack Unger talk that makes me sit up and take notice :-) I have not tried the vertical separation because it looks so unprofessional (although is a professional move) to have 3 sectors spread out over thirty feet and it also puts 2 of my three sectors at a disadvantage due to the height loss. We cover a lot of rugged territory, conquer (really not very well) massive 90' Oak trees and connect subs as far as 20 miles off these towers. It is a fine idea and one I may have to move to! Secondly, single-channel bandpass filters are available which will provide additional receiver protection from nearby transmitters operating on non-overlapping frequencies. [Mac says:] That sounds like the way I will go. I appreciate the idea and suggestion. I don't know why I haven't thought of that before. I guess I have never bought or even had need of a bandpass filter till now. Well truth be known it seems I have needed them for years, but didn't realize it till today. Finally, higher-priced antennas normally have a higher front-to-back ratio which increases isolation (minimizes interaction) between the antennas. A minimum f/b ratio of 30 dBm is recommended. [Mac says:] We have always bought and used PacWireless antennas and thee 16.5dbi 120* VPOL sectors have at least a F/B ratio of 25db. I realize the more you spend the better F/B ratio you get and that is where my original thread started - - looking for some good sectors :-) Keep in mind that without dealing with these antenna isolation issues, you will likely have the same problems using two 180* sector antennas as you have had using three 120* sector antennas. [ [Mac says:] That is fine advice Jack and I appreciate the fine guidance. You have made me think - - and that may be a dangerous thing. Now - - let me go order some bandpass filters and hang them on one of these troubled tower to see what is gonna happen. I will post back here and let you know my results. Thanks again Jack!! Mac Dearman jack Mac Dearman wrote: See in line please Behalf of Jack Unger Mac, Before you discard the idea of using three 120* sectors are you absolutely certain that the separation issue is really due to the antennas not being far enough apart? Have you thoroughly looked at other reasons why there could be interference between three APs like: [Mac says:] Well Jack - I'd like to think that I have exhausted the other possibilities :-) but I am always willing to listen. 1. Using three cards on a single motherboard in one enclosure without sufficient shielding between them. [Mac says:] All of our sector arrays utilize 3 different enclosures with one radio to the enclosure and then I try to separate the enclosures (and antennas) as far as possible. 2. Using three APs that are configured on frequencies that are too close together and are interfering with each other? [Mac says:] Unless we deploy 4 90* sectors we use non overlapping channels (1, 6 11) I guess what I'm asking is (before you go spend money on antennas that may or may not solve the problem) what equipment are you currently using, how is it configured, and how far apart can you actually get three sector antennas on the 25G tower? jack [Mac says:] I have come to the conclusion that it is interference from the backplane of the antennas due to not having adequate separation from each other. These small towers (although 180') like Rohn 25G aren't but 12 across - so you wind up with the 3 sectors only 1' apart at their bases. I wish you had some more ideas :-), but thanks for the thought and the time! Mac -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 180* sector choices
I'll take one! How much ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 4:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 180* sector choices Jack, While we are on this topic, look at the .pdf file and give me your comments on this all in one sector from Pac Wireless? Thanks, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 4:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 180* sector choices Mac, Thanks for replying to my concerns and suggestions. Have you tried using 5 to 10 feet of vertical separation between the antennas rather than mounting them all at the same height? 10 feet of vertical separation should be enough to prevent one AP transmitter from overloading another AP receiver. Secondly, single-channel bandpass filters are available which will provide additional receiver protection from nearby transmitters operating on non-overlapping frequencies. Finally, higher-priced antennas normally have a higher front-to-back ratio which increases isolation (minimizes interaction) between the antennas. A minimum f/b ratio of 30 dBm is recommended. Keep in mind that without dealing with these antenna isolation issues, you will likely have the same problems using two 180* sector antennas as you have had using three 120* sector antennas. jack Mac Dearman wrote: See in line please Behalf of Jack Unger Mac, Before you discard the idea of using three 120* sectors are you absolutely certain that the separation issue is really due to the antennas not being far enough apart? Have you thoroughly looked at other reasons why there could be interference between three APs like: [Mac says:] Well Jack - I'd like to think that I have exhausted the other possibilities :-) but I am always willing to listen. 1. Using three cards on a single motherboard in one enclosure without sufficient shielding between them. [Mac says:] All of our sector arrays utilize 3 different enclosures with one radio to the enclosure and then I try to separate the enclosures (and antennas) as far as possible. 2. Using three APs that are configured on frequencies that are too close together and are interfering with each other? [Mac says:] Unless we deploy 4 90* sectors we use non overlapping channels (1, 6 11) I guess what I'm asking is (before you go spend money on antennas that may or may not solve the problem) what equipment are you currently using, how is it configured, and how far apart can you actually get three sector antennas on the 25G tower? jack [Mac says:] I have come to the conclusion that it is interference from the backplane of the antennas due to not having adequate separation from each other. These small towers (although 180') like Rohn 25G aren't but 12 across - so you wind up with the 3 sectors only 1' apart at their bases. I wish you had some more ideas :-), but thanks for the thought and the time! Mac -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] NTIA?
The NTIA controls those frequencies used by the feds, including the military. It wields considerable power in protecting those frequencies and has the dominant position versus the FCC. As well, the NTIA does considerable work on the international front, where it works to protect the U.S. militaries use of certain frequencies. For example, when it comes to working within the ITU, it is the NTIA that takes the lead, not the FCC. A specific example of how this has effected the WISP/unlicensed community is 5.4 GHz, where the DoD objections led the NTIA to force the FCC and industry to re-address the DFS issue until the DoD was happy. As you know, this stalled use of the allocation for about 3 years now and has only recently been finally resolved. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] NTIA? Doesn't this sound like a mini FCC? http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/aboutntia/aboutntia.htm About the NTIA The National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) is the President's principal adviser on telecommunications and information policy issues, and in this role frequently works with other Executive Branch agencies to develop and present the Administration's position on these issues. Since its creation in 1978, NTIA has been at the cutting edge of critical issues. In addition to representing the Executive Branch in both domestic and international telecommunications and information policy activities, NTIA also manages the Federal use of spectrum; performs cutting-edge telecommunications research and engineering, including resolving technical telecommunications issues for the Federal government and private sector; and administers infrastructure and public telecommunications facilities grants. The telecommunications and information revolution is bringing dramatic growth and change to the nation's economic, social, and political life. As a result, our fundamental mission is to promote market-based policies which lower prices to consumers and encourage innovation, while harnessing the resources of the Federal government to support spectrum-based technologies which enhance efficiency and productivity. *NTIA Line Offices * The *Office of Spectrum Management http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/osmhome.html* (OSM) formulates and establishes plans and policies that ensure the effective, efficient, and equitable use of the spectrum both nationally and internationally. Through the development of long range spectrum plans, the OSM is prepared to address future Federal government spectrum requirements, including public safety operations and the coordination and registration of Federal government satellite networks. The OSM also satisfies the frequency assignment needs of the Federal agencies and provides spectrum certification for new Federal agency radio communication systems. The *Office of Policy Analysis and Development http://www.ntia.doc.gov/opadhome/opadhome.html* (OPAD) is the domestic policy division of the NTIA. OPAD supports NTIA's role as principal adviser to the Executive Branch and the Secretary of Commerce on telecommunications and information policies by conducting research and analysis and preparing policy recommendations. The domestic policy office generates policies that promote innovation, competition, and economic growth for the benefit of American businesses and consumers. The *Office of International Affairs* http://www.ntia.doc.gov/oiahome/oiahome.html (OIA) develops and implements policies to enhance U.S. companies' ability to compete globally in the information technology and communications (ICT) sectors. In consultation with other U.S. agencies and the U.S. private sector, OIA participates in international and regional fora to promote policies that open ICT markets and encourage competition. The *Institute for Telecommunication Sciences* http://www.its.bldrdoc.gov/ (ITS) is the research and engineering laboratory of the NTIA. ITS provides technical support to NTIA in advancing telecommunications and information infrastructure development, enhancing domestic competition, improving U.S. telecommunications trade opportunities, and promoting more efficient and effective use of the radio spectrum. ITS also serves as a principal Federal resource for investigating the telecommunications challenges of other Federal agencies, state and local governments, private corporations and associations, and international organizations. The *Office of Telecommunications and Information Applications* http://www.ntia.doc.gov/otiahome/otiahome.html (OTIA) administers two programs: the /*Technology Opportunities Program*/ http://www.ntia.doc.gov/top (TOP) and the /*Public Telecommunications
[WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds
I wanted to post a message to make sure everyone understands a post that I made a while back on the speed of the 532s. First, I want to make sure that I say, that I CURRENTLY use Routerboard 532s on ALL my towers. I use it as all of the APs on my wireless network, and I use MT for 99% of my consulting customers router needs. I think that Mikrotik is a great product, heck, I even certified in the product, use it every day for WISP and network operations! With that said, I had stated that the thoughput of a 532 is around 20-25 meg. I want to clarify that it is MY EXPERIENCE that a 532 running as a CORE router, such as doing NAT, connection tracking, having simple queues, SFQ queueing, OSPF, ya name, it, the speed I have seen the processor at that point at 100% would be around 20meg BOTH WAYS, this does not account for wireless cards, just ETHERNET to ETHERNET! So, on the 266mhz processors, about 20 meg both ways, and around 25 meg for the new 400mhz boards.It has NOTHING to do with wireless connectivity, just pure processing power doing tones of tasks. Now with that said, with two workstaitons 3 foot of ethernet between them, and a 532 Rev5 with the 400mhz processor, one way I can do a FTP Transfer at 92 meg, and I see 2-3 meg going the other way.This is ONE connection, not a bunch, this is STRIGHT routing, no OSPF, no NAT, with connection tracking turned on. I also use TCP packets vs UDP, this 92meg/2meg would be very close to the limit of two 10/100 nics. I just wanted to clarify this, as many of my customers have asked me what is a good limit to start looking at puttting in something a bit bigger as they have grown. My opinion, depends on what you are doing with the MT, but a total thoughput of around 50meg is a good starting point, depending on how many features you are using on the MT, i.e. NAT, OSFP, etc. Now, looking at that, if you are moving more than 20 meg both ways on your network, doing it using a $200 router sounds awsome to me! Not to menton all of the other features you have! I don't doubt, that if you put up a wireless link and test with it, you can see much higher 50+ meg thoughput, depending on what the router is doing. In my case, we are looking at customers that use their 532 as a do everything router. If you have any thoughts, comments or questions, or if you have some real world experience, with NOTHING on, or only a few things on, be sure to post, i'm sure that many users will enjoy reading your findings. -- Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.mikrotikconsulting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 180* sector choices
- Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 2:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 180* sector choices Inline again :-) Behalf Of Jack Unger Mac, Thanks for replying to my concerns and suggestions. Have you tried using 5 to 10 feet of vertical separation between the antennas rather than mounting them all at the same height? 10 feet of vertical separation should be enough to prevent one AP transmitter from overloading another AP receiver. [Mac says:] Now you are talking the Jack Unger talk that makes me sit up and take notice :-) I have not tried the vertical separation because it looks so unprofessional (although is a professional move) to have 3 sectors spread out over thirty feet and it also puts 2 of my three sectors at a disadvantage due to the height loss. We cover a lot of rugged territory, conquer (really not very well) massive 90' Oak trees and connect subs as far as 20 miles off these towers. It is a fine idea and one I may have to move to! I've got some that are within a few feet of each other. Also have some that are RIGHT behind others. We're having some problems at that site that sure act like interference. I'm pretty sure at least some of it is self inflicted. How much there's no good way to tell. They are all the higher end Maxrad sectors. I'm going to get long lmr600 runs (50/40 and 30') and make sure that the radios are all down at the ground where I can get to them with a ladder, and I'll make sure that the antennas are all 10' or more apart. We're going to rebuild two sites in this manner. Secondly, single-channel bandpass filters are available which will provide additional receiver protection from nearby transmitters operating on non-overlapping frequencies. [Mac says:] That sounds like the way I will go. I appreciate the idea and suggestion. I don't know why I haven't thought of that before. I guess I have never bought or even had need of a bandpass filter till now. Well truth be known it seems I have needed them for years, but didn't realize it till today. I don't use bandpass filters. I have to change channels far too often for that. I'm finding that some radios are far more effective in their isolation than others are. I'd also rather use antennas for my isolation than having another device I have to worry about inline. Finally, higher-priced antennas normally have a higher front-to-back ratio which increases isolation (minimizes interaction) between the antennas. A minimum f/b ratio of 30 dBm is recommended. [Mac says:] We have always bought and used PacWireless antennas and thee 16.5dbi 120* VPOL sectors have at least a F/B ratio of 25db. I realize the more you spend the better F/B ratio you get and that is where my original thread started - - looking for some good sectors :-) TilTek was brought up. Those are good. So are radio waves. I've been REALLY happy with the vpol ($425ish) and hpol ($250ish) Maxrad adjustable beam sectors. I like the flexibility for the future too. marlon Keep in mind that without dealing with these antenna isolation issues, you will likely have the same problems using two 180* sector antennas as you have had using three 120* sector antennas. [ [Mac says:] That is fine advice Jack and I appreciate the fine guidance. You have made me think - - and that may be a dangerous thing. Now - - let me go order some bandpass filters and hang them on one of these troubled tower to see what is gonna happen. I will post back here and let you know my results. Thanks again Jack!! Mac Dearman jack Mac Dearman wrote: See in line please Behalf of Jack Unger Mac, Before you discard the idea of using three 120* sectors are you absolutely certain that the separation issue is really due to the antennas not being far enough apart? Have you thoroughly looked at other reasons why there could be interference between three APs like: [Mac says:] Well Jack - I'd like to think that I have exhausted the other possibilities :-) but I am always willing to listen. 1. Using three cards on a single motherboard in one enclosure without sufficient shielding between them. [Mac says:] All of our sector arrays utilize 3 different enclosures with one radio to the enclosure and then I try to separate the enclosures (and antennas) as far as possible. 2. Using three APs that are configured on frequencies that are too close together and are interfering with each other? [Mac says:] Unless we deploy 4 90* sectors we use non overlapping channels (1, 6 11) I guess what I'm asking is (before you go spend money on antennas that may or may not solve the problem) what equipment are you currently using, how is it configured, and how far apart can you actually get three sector antennas on the 25G tower? jack [Mac says:] I have come to the conclusion that it is interference
Re: [WISPA] 180* sector choices
Rick, Here's what I see that's good about the Pac Wireless antenna: 1. The 3-in-1 design may be the only solution where only one antenna-mounting space exists on a tower. 2. The inclusion of electrical downtilt will minimize overshooting customers. 3. The inclusion of null fill will minimize connectivity problems with customers located very close to the tower. 4. The 15 dBi gain is in the appropriate and usable range. 5. The weight (14 lbs) will make the antenna easy to raise and mount. 6. The price range ($700) is moderate considering that you're really getting three sector antennas in one. Here's what I see that will need special consideration and planning. 1. The front-to-back ratio is only 15 dB. This is low compared to the 30 dB that I usually recommend for high-quality antennas. 2. The sector-to-sector isolation is 35 dB. When compared to the 83 dB of isolation that 10 feet of vertical separation would provide, 35 dB is a lot less. In summary, this appears to be a good antenna system with the one limitation that the somewhat low f/b ratio and sector-to-sector isolation will combine to place the burden for good AP-to-AP isolation on the quality of the co-located access point receivers and the quality of the overall AP/site design. Receivers with poor or moderate selectivity (in other words, receivers on Wi-Fi cards) will be overloaded by the other AP transmitters with the result being a throughput reduction that begins when traffic levels increase. The more traffic, the more missed incoming packets, the more retransmissions and the more throughput reduction. The result will be that the site reaches saturation sooner and won't handle as much traffic as a site where the AP receivers are not being overloaded. The solution (other than to use really expensive equipment which has good receiver filtering and selectivity built in) is to again use single-channel bandpass filters on each AP. These will reduce the level of signal from the co-located adjacent-channel AP transmitters and permit the site to handle more traffic (reach saturation later) than a site where the receivers ARE being overloaded. Finally, in addition to the above, it's important not to defeat the antenna isolation by letting RF energy leak directly from AP to AP either on the ground or from PC-card to PC card. Proper shielding and grounding will help to maintain that hard-won receiver-to-transmitter isolation resulting in a high-performance, high-traffic handling, reliable, profitable site. jack Rick Harnish wrote: Jack, While we are on this topic, look at the .pdf file and give me your comments on this all in one sector from Pac Wireless? Thanks, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 4:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 180* sector choices Mac, Thanks for replying to my concerns and suggestions. Have you tried using 5 to 10 feet of vertical separation between the antennas rather than mounting them all at the same height? 10 feet of vertical separation should be enough to prevent one AP transmitter from overloading another AP receiver. Secondly, single-channel bandpass filters are available which will provide additional receiver protection from nearby transmitters operating on non-overlapping frequencies. Finally, higher-priced antennas normally have a higher front-to-back ratio which increases isolation (minimizes interaction) between the antennas. A minimum f/b ratio of 30 dBm is recommended. Keep in mind that without dealing with these antenna isolation issues, you will likely have the same problems using two 180* sector antennas as you have had using three 120* sector antennas. jack Mac Dearman wrote: See in line please Behalf of Jack Unger Mac, Before you discard the idea of using three 120* sectors are you absolutely certain that the separation issue is really due to the antennas not being far enough apart? Have you thoroughly looked at other reasons why there could be interference between three APs like: [Mac says:] Well Jack - I'd like to think that I have exhausted the other possibilities :-) but I am always willing to listen. 1. Using three cards on a single motherboard in one enclosure without sufficient shielding between them. [Mac says:] All of our sector arrays utilize 3 different enclosures with one radio to the enclosure and then I try to separate the enclosures (and antennas) as far as possible. 2. Using three APs that are configured on frequencies that are too close together and are interfering with each other? [Mac says:] Unless we deploy 4 90* sectors we use non overlapping channels (1, 6 11) I guess what I'm asking is (before you go spend money on antennas that may or may not solve the problem) what
[WISPA] $25 is cheap insurance... Was: What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
- Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Folks, don't join WISPA because of what WISPA can do for you. That's not what WISPA is about. Oh sure, we do what we can when we can, but the MAIN focus of WISPA is that of improving the OVERALL industry. We're focused on better rules, better laws, better training etc. We didn't form WISPA so that we could give you equipment discounts, free legal advice, insurance discounts, etc. The day will come when those things are all possible, but it'll take large membership numbers to get there. Now this is spot on. WISPA is an ADVOCATE for the WISP industry. It should never become, IMO an association buying group. Sure vendors may look at WISPA as a market channel and wish to support it with paid advertisements and sponsorships. But, unless there is enough accountable (not made up numbers)membership they may not care to support the organization. As a former dialup ISP/Web-host, I know where most of you stand. I am supporting WISPA because I feel the WISP may be the last-stand against total extinction of the Independent Service Provider. Sure there is still dialup and some are able to provide cable/DSL broadband, but nowhere in the numbers we were during the dialup years. The WISP has the opportunity to create and maintain a viable last-mile alternative to the RBOC's and CableCo's. One thing that WISP's have going is that are talking the FCC's language, RF's! They understand this better than they do the competitive tension that came with the 96 Telco Act. The WISP's having an Advocate such as WISPA is very welcome in D.C. and that is why these baby step meetings and working the CALEA issue is so, so very important that WISPA has the FULL SUPPORT of the Industry. Paying $25 a month to get a voice at the table of those that can SHUT you down, rather quickly, is cheap insurance of that possibly happening. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: Dues Value was What is WISPA?
I am glad it's a flat rate. I don't think the big guys should be penalized for being successful. Justin -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 180* sector choices
That's a lot of sugar for less than a dollar Jack. I'd be willing to pay for that info! (Or buy you a round - or both) Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 180* sector choices Rick, Here's what I see that's good about the Pac Wireless antenna: 1. The 3-in-1 design may be the only solution where only one antenna-mounting space exists on a tower. 2. The inclusion of electrical downtilt will minimize overshooting customers. 3. The inclusion of null fill will minimize connectivity problems with customers located very close to the tower. 4. The 15 dBi gain is in the appropriate and usable range. 5. The weight (14 lbs) will make the antenna easy to raise and mount. 6. The price range ($700) is moderate considering that you're really getting three sector antennas in one. Here's what I see that will need special consideration and planning. 1. The front-to-back ratio is only 15 dB. This is low compared to the 30 dB that I usually recommend for high-quality antennas. 2. The sector-to-sector isolation is 35 dB. When compared to the 83 dB of isolation that 10 feet of vertical separation would provide, 35 dB is a lot less. In summary, this appears to be a good antenna system with the one limitation that the somewhat low f/b ratio and sector-to-sector isolation will combine to place the burden for good AP-to-AP isolation on the quality of the co-located access point receivers and the quality of the overall AP/site design. Receivers with poor or moderate selectivity (in other words, receivers on Wi-Fi cards) will be overloaded by the other AP transmitters with the result being a throughput reduction that begins when traffic levels increase. The more traffic, the more missed incoming packets, the more retransmissions and the more throughput reduction. The result will be that the site reaches saturation sooner and won't handle as much traffic as a site where the AP receivers are not being overloaded. The solution (other than to use really expensive equipment which has good receiver filtering and selectivity built in) is to again use single-channel bandpass filters on each AP. These will reduce the level of signal from the co-located adjacent-channel AP transmitters and permit the site to handle more traffic (reach saturation later) than a site where the receivers ARE being overloaded. Finally, in addition to the above, it's important not to defeat the antenna isolation by letting RF energy leak directly from AP to AP either on the ground or from PC-card to PC card. Proper shielding and grounding will help to maintain that hard-won receiver-to-transmitter isolation resulting in a high-performance, high-traffic handling, reliable, profitable site. jack Rick Harnish wrote: Jack, While we are on this topic, look at the .pdf file and give me your comments on this all in one sector from Pac Wireless? Thanks, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 4:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 180* sector choices Mac, Thanks for replying to my concerns and suggestions. Have you tried using 5 to 10 feet of vertical separation between the antennas rather than mounting them all at the same height? 10 feet of vertical separation should be enough to prevent one AP transmitter from overloading another AP receiver. Secondly, single-channel bandpass filters are available which will provide additional receiver protection from nearby transmitters operating on non-overlapping frequencies. Finally, higher-priced antennas normally have a higher front-to-back ratio which increases isolation (minimizes interaction) between the antennas. A minimum f/b ratio of 30 dBm is recommended. Keep in mind that without dealing with these antenna isolation issues, you will likely have the same problems using two 180* sector antennas as you have had using three 120* sector antennas. jack Mac Dearman wrote: See in line please Behalf of Jack Unger Mac, Before you discard the idea of using three 120* sectors are you absolutely certain that the separation issue is really due to the antennas not being far enough apart? Have you thoroughly looked at other reasons why there could be interference between three APs like: [Mac says:] Well Jack - I'd like to think that I have exhausted the other possibilities :-) but I am always willing to listen. 1. Using three cards on a single motherboard in one enclosure without sufficient shielding between them. [Mac says:] All of our sector arrays utilize 3
Re: [WISPA] 180* sector choices
Jack, If one was to use 3 10MHz channels with 10MHz seperation between channels, they would see the same or better performance than 3 full size channels side by side. So thats my advice, but it won't be wifi. Would be nice if there was a 5 gig option per sector so that you could do 2 2 gig channels at 1 and 11 and a 5 gig sector. George Jack Unger wrote: Rick, Here's what I see that's good about the Pac Wireless antenna: 1. The 3-in-1 design may be the only solution where only one antenna-mounting space exists on a tower. 2. The inclusion of electrical downtilt will minimize overshooting customers. 3. The inclusion of null fill will minimize connectivity problems with customers located very close to the tower. 4. The 15 dBi gain is in the appropriate and usable range. 5. The weight (14 lbs) will make the antenna easy to raise and mount. 6. The price range ($700) is moderate considering that you're really getting three sector antennas in one. Here's what I see that will need special consideration and planning. 1. The front-to-back ratio is only 15 dB. This is low compared to the 30 dB that I usually recommend for high-quality antennas. 2. The sector-to-sector isolation is 35 dB. When compared to the 83 dB of isolation that 10 feet of vertical separation would provide, 35 dB is a lot less. In summary, this appears to be a good antenna system with the one limitation that the somewhat low f/b ratio and sector-to-sector isolation will combine to place the burden for good AP-to-AP isolation on the quality of the co-located access point receivers and the quality of the overall AP/site design. Receivers with poor or moderate selectivity (in other words, receivers on Wi-Fi cards) will be overloaded by the other AP transmitters with the result being a throughput reduction that begins when traffic levels increase. The more traffic, the more missed incoming packets, the more retransmissions and the more throughput reduction. The result will be that the site reaches saturation sooner and won't handle as much traffic as a site where the AP receivers are not being overloaded. The solution (other than to use really expensive equipment which has good receiver filtering and selectivity built in) is to again use single-channel bandpass filters on each AP. These will reduce the level of signal from the co-located adjacent-channel AP transmitters and permit the site to handle more traffic (reach saturation later) than a site where the receivers ARE being overloaded. Finally, in addition to the above, it's important not to defeat the antenna isolation by letting RF energy leak directly from AP to AP either on the ground or from PC-card to PC card. Proper shielding and grounding will help to maintain that hard-won receiver-to-transmitter isolation resulting in a high-performance, high-traffic handling, reliable, profitable site. jack Rick Harnish wrote: Jack, While we are on this topic, look at the .pdf file and give me your comments on this all in one sector from Pac Wireless? Thanks, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 4:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 180* sector choices Mac, Thanks for replying to my concerns and suggestions. Have you tried using 5 to 10 feet of vertical separation between the antennas rather than mounting them all at the same height? 10 feet of vertical separation should be enough to prevent one AP transmitter from overloading another AP receiver. Secondly, single-channel bandpass filters are available which will provide additional receiver protection from nearby transmitters operating on non-overlapping frequencies. Finally, higher-priced antennas normally have a higher front-to-back ratio which increases isolation (minimizes interaction) between the antennas. A minimum f/b ratio of 30 dBm is recommended. Keep in mind that without dealing with these antenna isolation issues, you will likely have the same problems using two 180* sector antennas as you have had using three 120* sector antennas. jack Mac Dearman wrote: See in line please Behalf of Jack Unger Mac, Before you discard the idea of using three 120* sectors are you absolutely certain that the separation issue is really due to the antennas not being far enough apart? Have you thoroughly looked at other reasons why there could be interference between three APs like: [Mac says:] Well Jack - I'd like to think that I have exhausted the other possibilities :-) but I am always willing to listen. 1. Using three cards on a single motherboard in one enclosure without sufficient shielding between them. [Mac says:] All of our sector arrays utilize 3 different enclosures with one radio to the enclosure and then I try to separate the enclosures
Re: [WISPA] $25 is cheap insurance... Was: What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
Frank Muto wrote: Now this is spot on. WISPA is an ADVOCATE for the WISP industry. It should never become, IMO an association buying group. Sure vendors may look at WISPA as a market channel and wish to support it with paid advertisements and sponsorships. But, unless there is enough accountable (not made up numbers)membership they may not care to support the organization. Thank you for the lead in Frank. My belief is, after having the buying group idea tossed around is for the vendors to offer the WISPA membership a special discount that only WISPA members can have. It's cleaner. This is what WISPA needs to negotiate and work on. You have already done this. Your offer of paying for any wisp's 250.00 membership fee was very very good offer and a benefit to WISPA members. Before I ran for the board I was about to start a wireless assembly business and I had a special discount for WISPA only members. check out www.warvx.com and notice the special wispa discount listed on the right hand side under news. WISPA eventually will get more vendors offering our membership special discounts. I've talked to various vendors myself and hear the maybe and pretty soon words. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
Scott That was just an idea. It's not the way it is. Dues are simple 250.00 per year for a wisp , 1,000 for a vendor. In the early formation days of WISPA the subject of how and how much to pay was tossed around and Marlon had a per wireless sub plan. I recommended 1,000 per wisp because I felt there would not be enough wisps to support wispa and there has to be enough dues to keep the association going and give it enough money to work with to get things done. Quite a few of the very small wisps didn't feel they could pay more than a couple hundred dollars per year. So affordability won out and the dues are an easy 250.00 per year or 25.00 per month and we take credit cards. Pretty much most of the people who have payed dues realize that like my business and yours we need revenues to continue on, we are hoping that a lot more wisps join so that WISPA can get some things done. We also need members to step forward and help out via the special committees. We have some that are kind of dormant that could use help and WISPA is willing to start new ones that anyone wants to create. George Scott Lambert wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 10:17:22AM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I wanted to make the dues $1 per year per customer. Now, is that $1 per wireless customer, or per customer in general? I work for an old style ISP who has several thousand customers but only a few hundred of them are wireless. I just joined the lists to see if WISPA is something we need to be involved in. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Waltonville (third time's the charm)
Bob, I posted an article on the chat list about immigration, birth rates and population shifts over the next 20 years yesterday. It was an interesting article in the Smithsonian Magazine I read while at the dentist office. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/issues/2006/october/presence.php Very interesting outcome is expected. I was surprised myself and I would recommend anyone who is worried about immigrants to read it. George Lakeland wrote: Been too busy. I have no life. My Calea solution is a snap. Set the whole system up on a crappy removal hard drive that doesn't store data. When the feds show up, pull the hard drive and give it to them. When they complain tell them it worked when you gave it to them! The feds love semantics. :-) There is not enough money to be made as a WISP (a few excluded) to be bothered with all that nonsense IMHO. I know its the law but so is illegal immigration. Sheesh...I have over 40,000 illegal aliens within 25 miles of my office doing work off the books and the federal government isn't doing anything about them. I'm off to my next job. Later... -B- Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 writes: LOL Google is sometimes very helpful. I love the Blues Brothers! I knew just what I wanted but couldn't remember the exact quote. Took all of 30 seconds to find it. Now if only a nice CALEA solution was that fast :-) How have you been stranger? I tried calling a couple of times but only got voice jail. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Re: Waltonville (third time's the charm) You sir have too much time on your hands. :-) -B- Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 writes: I'm sorry! No I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD. I'm even built like Jake! hehehehee For those that don't get it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Dangit Marlon - I thought you were going to take care of this ! If your performance and timeliness doesn't improve immediately, I'll have you in Idaho pickin potatoes ! JohnnyO - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Why wasn't this done yesterday? I asked that it be done then. The people of Waltonville deserve better than three days of bad service. Scriv David E. Smith wrote: Apparently, we will have to run new Ethernet cable at the Waltonville tower, as we've now replaced basically everything else there and the AP is still doing weird freaky stuff. yay. Tell Ron I'm sorry, then clear his morning schedule. dave --- -- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless
[WISPA] It's Rhody Days here in Florence Oregon
My home town is celebrating our 100th Rhody Festival. It's the biggest celebration here on the Central Oregon Coast. The town fills up with motorcycles and we have parades, celebrations and a lot of fun. People come from all over the country for the weekend. We are also a Distinguished Sponsor of the Florence Chamber of Commerce. Part of the dues is the local TV station does a nice commercial. Here's mine: http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/Commercial/YourConnection.mov -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
Butch, Thanks for taking the time to reply with a well thought out professional response to my questions. Those are just 2 examples, both of which were posted right here on this free list. Sorry if what I was asking didn't come across the correct way. I am not worried about the monetary value of what membership gives, that information has been well advertised. There seems to be great support from vendors and such to WISPA members. Looking from the outside it doesn't always appear that the ORG is able to uphold the code of ethics. This is mainly based off of discussions held on the freelist. I see comments from members, officers of the ORG that I feel do not uphold the above listed items from the code of ethics. I'd really like to understand what you see that makes this a true statement. Just read some of the responses to this discussion that has been going on. I think it is pretty obvious. Or if its not maybe I am reading more into comments than I should be, if thats the case I apologize as I mentioned in my previous post it is very difficult to interpret someones tone when reading an email. Here is a quote that I take as being non professional and I definalty don't think comments like this do anything to support WISPA, our industry and in my opinion do nothing to add any credibility to WISP's in general. Quote You've got this backward Peter. The question is, what value to they bring to WISPA? Unquote. I am not gonna sell you the organization. But I will work on answering this a little. 1. WISPA is right now working on a standard that will make CALEA safe harbor VERY INEXPENSIVE for WISPs. Not just members. This is an INDUSTRY solution. Does WISPA seek input from members when dealing with issues like this? Or is everything decided by a group of officers? In other words how does the ORG run on a day to day basis, how are decisions made, how does it decide what battles to fight, how does it determine what stance to take on issues? 2. WISPA has been urging WISPs to file the 477 forms, which is important because it will make us, as an industry, a larger portion of the broadband deployment in the US (statistically) as far as the government is concerned. Why is this important? Besides being the law, government is working to insure that every American has access to broadband. If we are providing that service in an area and they don't know about it, they will still work on a way to get that access available. 3. WISPA has urged (on several occasions) WISPs to file comments on various spectrum issues that would be beneficial to WISPs. WISPA has (as an organization) filed comments as well. Because we don't have the $$ to hire a lobby, this is the best effort in this regard. Now it's time to ask YOU what YOU have done for our industry. Have you filed comments on the issues that will impact your business? For the most part, over the past couple of years WISPA has. Have you filed your 477? Yes I have been sending in our 477 since it came out. Tincans Wireless Internet Yes I have commented on issues to the FCC with regards our industry. Some I have heard about on this list and some I have heard about elsewhere. If you're not going to join, then just don't join. Stop making excuses about what are you doing...You claim to be on the list since the beginning and you can't see what's been happening? What advantage does WISPA offer you? Give me a break. WISPA has done a LOT, considering the $$ that they have to work with. Either join or don't, but stop acting as though you need to be sold because you can't find anything on the website giving you what the value of WISPA is. FWIW, I do agree that WISPA needs to do a better job of selling itself on the website, but the point (in your case) is that you are just using it as an excuse, IMO. Again Butch thanks for taking the time to respond in a professional, productive manner. I am sure it looks as if I am making excuses not to join, but if that was the case I wouldn't be here to begin with, it would not be worth my energy/time if I was not truly intersted in joining and supporting WISPA. I just have questions about how the ORG operates on a day to day basis, how decisions are made, where does the average joe fit in, etc etc. Thanks, Chadd Thompson -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
Chadd Thompson wrote: Does WISPA seek input from members when dealing with issues like this? Or is everything decided by a group of officers? In other words how does the ORG run on a day to day basis, how are decisions made, how does it decide what battles to fight, how does it determine what stance to take on issues? Chadd We really really want wisps to join participate get involved help advise and bring ideas to the table. Some wisps help by sending a check and don't have the time to do much more than that. They don't even subscribe to this list. We all are grateful to them as well. But I think your active well thought out ideas and advice is a part of the consensus building that is needed to help lead WISPA in the right direction. So yeah we want your input/help. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] It's Rhody Days here in Florence Oregon
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that a Premium Distinguished Sponsor of this Chamber of Commerce is only $5,000.00 per year. 5 grand and I get a bunch of advertising, that does not have any immediate return. So I get a couple commercials and my name is always thanked on the radio during festivals and such. Next big one is Chowder Blues and Brews Festival. Now compare that to the very low and very affordable price of 250.00 per year that it cost me to be a member in good standing in the most exclusive Wireless Internet Service Provider Association is the world. One that gives me up to the minute news and information from all you insiders point of view in this wonderful world of wispdom. Which is the better value? WISPA $250.00 dues that make you smarter and better or Local Community Support $5,000.00 George Rogato wrote: My home town is celebrating our 100th Rhody Festival. It's the biggest celebration here on the Central Oregon Coast. The town fills up with motorcycles and we have parades, celebrations and a lot of fun. People come from all over the country for the weekend. We are also a Distinguished Sponsor of the Florence Chamber of Commerce. Part of the dues is the local TV station does a nice commercial. Here's mine: http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/Commercial/YourConnection.mov -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Chadd Thompson wrote: Sorry if what I was asking didn't come across the correct way. I am not worried about the monetary value of what membership gives, that information has been well advertised. There seems to be great support from vendors and such to WISPA members. In that case, it seems the latter part of my response was a better answer to that part of your question. Here is a quote that I take as being non professional and I definalty don't think comments like this do anything to support WISPA, our industry and in my opinion do nothing to add any credibility to WISP's in general. Quote You've got this backward Peter. The question is, what value to they bring to WISPA? Unquote. Well, the point Marlon was making (I think) was that WISPA would be more of a benefit to all WISPs if all the WISP members joined in the effort. I look at WISPA membership in a way that is similar to church membership (don't take that comparison too far... :-). When I am looking for a church, I look for a place where I have opportunity to serve, as well as receive the things I need. I think Marlon's point was similar (though he put it in a different way). Joining WISPA should be only the first step. Joining and then following through in helping to supply ideas and direction for the organization. Ultimately, it is the board of directors that decide what WISPA does, but the board is elected by the membership and is, therefore, beholden to follow their ideas. FWIW, the board is required in the bylaws to be comprised of a majority of WISPs. Vendors can hold a seat on the board, but the majority MUST be from the WISP membership. Marlon (who you quoted) is a great guy, and a hard working leader in WISPA. Perhaps I am speaking out of turn trying to explain his meaning, but that's what _I_ understood his post to mean. 1. WISPA is right now working on a standard that will make CALEA safe harbor VERY INEXPENSIVE for WISPs. Not just members. This is an INDUSTRY solution. Does WISPA seek input from members when dealing with issues like this? Or is everything decided by a group of officers? In other words how does the ORG run on a day to day basis, how are decisions made, how does it decide what battles to fight, how does it determine what stance to take on issues? Marlon, if I provide more information here than I should, you can slap me down on the other list. :-) I can give you a very brief synopsis of what we do on the CALEA committee. When the issue of CALEA became forefront, we (WISPA) decided to try to make this less painful to WISPs. For whatever reason (I can't say), CALEA was not addressed here on this list (may have been on the member list...). Either way, by the time it was in front of us, it was too late to try to do much about it other than try to figure out a way to make it something that would not put a bunch of us (WISPs) out of business. SO, several of us were asked by Marlon to try to create an industry standard that would be palatable for even the smallest WISP. We took a list of questions, which was compiled from posts on this and other lists to the FBI to get clarification (answers) to those questions. We, also, asked some questions that would help us to develop the industry standard that I mentioned above. The initial result of that trip is the CALEA FAQ (http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=22). We are working now to finish some documentation that will assist WISPs in the decision making process for HOW they can bring their network into compliance with the eventual standard. We will be releasing some things from this committee in the next few days that will be helpful as well (until the standard is completed and approved). I'm not sure if this answers the question, but it's my story and I'm sticking to it! :-) WISPA is run by a board of directors that is elected by the membership. You see posts from time to time on this list asking for input, but I presume there is more of that on the members list. I am a vendor member, so I am not privy to what is posted there. I'll leave it to one of the board members to offer more information on the day to day stuff you are asking about. Again Butch thanks for taking the time to respond in a professional, productive manner. I am sure it looks as if I am making excuses not to join, but if that was the case I wouldn't be here to begin with, it would not be worth my energy/time if I was not truly intersted in joining and supporting WISPA. I just have questions about how the ORG operates on a day to day basis, how decisions are made, where does the average joe fit in, etc etc. Some of your questions will have to be answered by a board member, because I am not, nor am I privy to the members only list. I can tell you that every member of the current board will accept the input that members provide as part of their decision making process. I don't know all of
