Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer
I have a couple of the motherboards in use doing other things, they're just real slow as a full blown PC. The nice part is, they run from 12V DC nicely and have a single PCI slot and a mini-pci slot. You can make smaller PC's than that, by quite a bit, just use the VIA PICO and NANO ITX motherboards and the cases built for them. They're even quite a bit faster, with the ability to add more ram, which the geode based boards often lack. They do take a little more power, but for that, you get a real video chipset, a good audio chipset, and the much faster VIA processor. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer Has anyone seen or used one of these? http://www.fit-pc.com/new/fit-pc-slim-specificatios.html I found it on a ham radio website, all I have to say is WOW. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Dark Fiber
If anyone is near these markets looking for dark fiber to another of these markets, let me know. Locations should be available every 60 miles, possibly as short as every 1 - 2 miles. Manhattan, NY Hudson River Tunnel, NY Hoboken, NJ Port Reading Junction, NJ Harrisburg, PA Pittsburgh, PA Cleveland, OH Toledo, OH South Bend, IN Indiana Harbor, IN Chicago, IL Front Royal, VA Marshall, VA Ashburn, VA Fiber is being laid for 2Q 2010. I have maps available and can pass along the appropriate contact information. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tower colocation request
Hi guys, we are looking to deploy a wifi system on a local water tower to service and underserved area. This will be our first experience dealing with a new municipality and we have it slated for a board agenda. I was wondering if there were standard proposals out there to use, or if someone had an example they were willing to share, of what information they provide to the municipality, or what to pay attention to when trying to get space on the tower. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dark Fiber
Mike, Please send one my way. Thanks, John Buwa Michiana Wireless -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dark Fiber If anyone is near these markets looking for dark fiber to another of these markets, let me know. Locations should be available every 60 miles, possibly as short as every 1 - 2 miles. Manhattan, NY Hudson River Tunnel, NY Hoboken, NJ Port Reading Junction, NJ Harrisburg, PA Pittsburgh, PA Cleveland, OH Toledo, OH South Bend, IN Indiana Harbor, IN Chicago, IL Front Royal, VA Marshall, VA Ashburn, VA Fiber is being laid for 2Q 2010. I have maps available and can pass along the appropriate contact information. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] grant funds ideas
Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
I thought I saw some posts on that? My main concern is that I do not want a community to be determined by Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people that are not on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major pitfalls of the USDA program. I could have funded nearly 20 communities for grants already had the rules left out the Census. There needs to be a better way to determine if a community is indeed a community regardless of whether it is reported as a community or not. The second thing that I would propose is the use of funds for obtaining licensed spectrum, including but not limited to EBS/BRS and PTP microwave links. Thirdly, there should be no salary cap as the USDA puts on Network Administrative positions that must be filled to help manage this growth. Quality Network Engineers and administrators are high paying positions, not to mention, engineers with the experience in RF, cellular-type technologies with the know-how to build a top notch wimax network. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] HD WiFi coming this summer?
WiMax is dead! j/k! On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Ooops. Forgot the link: http://telephonyonline.com/video/news/hdtv-wifi-0225/ Welcome some more interference Celeno’s OptimizAIR technology uses 5 GHz spectrum, not the 2.4 GHz spectrum used by today’s WiFi data networks. OptimizAIR uses standard PHY and MAC layers but adds proprietary algorithms that the company says can double the throughput of standard 802.11 WiFi... Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org, I will allow them to go through. The Grants Committee wants your input but does not necessarily read every post on all the listservs. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I thought I saw some posts on that? My main concern is that I do not want a community to be determined by Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people that are not on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major pitfalls of the USDA program. I could have funded nearly 20 communities for grants already had the rules left out the Census. There needs to be a better way to determine if a community is indeed a community regardless of whether it is reported as a community or not. The second thing that I would propose is the use of funds for obtaining licensed spectrum, including but not limited to EBS/BRS and PTP microwave links. Thirdly, there should be no salary cap as the USDA puts on Network Administrative positions that must be filled to help manage this growth. Quality Network Engineers and administrators are high paying positions, not to mention, engineers with the experience in RF, cellular-type technologies with the know-how to build a top notch wimax network. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
The ARRA specifically states rural wireless, I would think the telcos are going to have problems with that, or maybe I am wrong. A local telco announced yesterday that they are going after stimulus monies and hired a DC law firm to keep track of what is going on. If telcos try to expand DSL, the cost is going to be huge, same as with cable companies. I think one of the things that should be defined is rural wireless and the rules to play in that field. For instance if a telco comes up with a proposal for an area that we are considering for wireless, the powers that be should consider the costs. Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com MissouriRuralWireless.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
If WISPA was to get input on the grant process, I would like to see more home town WISP's ans ISP's get first hand at the funding. Why? simple. Telco's get to have their hands in Gov money 365 days a year. Its called the high cost fund. With that the home town WISP's and ISP's, should be required with any large amounts of grant money to provide some sort of community service. IE First responder access, Library Access, Distance Learning, Community center access etc. Something that actually provides services back to the community that they are getting the money from. And I'm not talking FREE service here, nobody can do that in this economy. Sponsored maybe, discounted definitely. There should also be heavy stipulations on telco's getting funds from this. Telco's using government money have run to many ISP's ans WISP's outa business in the last few years. There should be restrictions that they cannot use these funds to deploy any new competitive services for end users, only upgrade infrastructure, or back haul systems. Fund spending once a company is accepted for the grant should be regulated not by acceptable vendors, but open to bids to create a more competitive buying place and to keep wasteful spending and price fixing at a minimum. Just my 2 cents. I have many other thoughts on the matter but am outa time before my morning meeting. Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Premier Systems Unlimited Inc. On Mar 3, 2009 8:05am, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Rick, will you add me to the grants committee list? On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org, I will allow them to go through. The Grants Committee wants your input but does not necessarily read every post on all the listservs. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I thought I saw some posts on that? My main concern is that I do not want a community to be determined by Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people that are not on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major pitfalls of the USDA program. I could have funded nearly 20 communities for grants already had the rules left out the Census. There needs to be a better way to determine if a community is indeed a community regardless of whether it is reported as a community or not. The second thing that I would propose is the use of funds for obtaining licensed spectrum, including but not limited to EBS/BRS and PTP microwave links. Thirdly, there should be no salary cap as the USDA puts on Network Administrative positions that must be filled to help manage this growth. Quality Network Engineers and administrators are high paying positions, not to mention, engineers with the experience in RF, cellular-type technologies with the know-how to build a top notch wimax network. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA
[WISPA] 3.65 ptp
Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be used in mikrotik? brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
The Government has a definition for rural My town of 26K people just got classified as rural a couple of years ago. This was to help with grants and such Rural is generally based on population of under 20k - 30k Scott - Original Message - From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas The ARRA specifically states rural wireless, I would think the telcos are going to have problems with that, or maybe I am wrong. A local telco announced yesterday that they are going after stimulus monies and hired a DC law firm to keep track of what is going on. If telcos try to expand DSL, the cost is going to be huge, same as with cable companies. I think one of the things that should be defined is rural wireless and the rules to play in that field. For instance if a telco comes up with a proposal for an area that we are considering for wireless, the powers that be should consider the costs. Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com MissouriRuralWireless.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
This guy says he is using them but having problems - didn't read into anything more then 411 board and xr3 http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=29063p=145580hilit=xr3#p145580 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.netwrote: Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be used in mikrotik? brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? It doesn't matter if you let them or not. They are still getting it. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
We all have a substancial amount of capital invested in our own ventures... If the Government would like to reimburse us on our investments before they make the Internet a invaluable investment. I wouldn't have much issue with that. However, from what I see they are just trying to make the Internet a free public right. And for what reason? If someone wants something, free enterprise usually puts it in place with a price. The price is to make sure it benefits the entrepreneur and the customer. Free benefits only the customer. Doesn't build revenue that pays for taxes, employees, sparsk anyones economy Get me drift So, in short what would I like to see., I would like to see grant money go to those that have already embarked on the challenge of populating the rural markets with quality Internet service with Qaulity Customer service behind it. I have yet to receive any communication or dollars from my government, other than to spend more money on their so called public safety initiatives, like calea... ...enough, that should get the sounding board moving...just incase anyone needs to know who posted such a Capitalistic Republican view. Ross Cornett HofNet Communications, Inc. Effingham Illinois. 217 342 6201 ex 100 _ Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. _ - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
Redline has a 3.65 ptp with their an80. Mike Goicoechea -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:29 AM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be used in mikrotik? brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
Redline and Ligowave both have gear available. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:29 AM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be used in mikrotik? brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CA Cert
Mike Hammett wrote: I've started to get setup with it. If anyone from the group is in the Southern OC, CA area, I'd be willing to assure them, if they are interested. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10
AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 PUBLIC MEETING ON BROADBAND INITIATIVES The National Telecommunications and Information Administration, the Department of Agriculture's Rural Development, and the Federal Communications Commission will hold a joint meeting Tuesday March 10 to discuss the broadband initiatives of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The meeting will take place in the Department of Commerce Auditorium and the agenda includes remarks from Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack; FCC Chairman Michael Copps; the NTIA's Anna Gomez, Bernadette McGuire-Rivera, and Mark Seifert; David Villano, Assistant Administrator for Telecommunication Programs, USDA Rural Development; and Scott M. Deutchman, Acting Senior Legal Advisor to Acting FCC Chairman Copps. The Public Meeting will be streamed over the Web with captions and made available on NTIA's website www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants. Interested parties wishing to submit questions in advance of the meeting may do so by emailing them to Barbara Brown (NTIA) at bbr...@ntia.doc.gov; Christi Shewman (FCC) at christi.shew...@fcc.gov; or Mary Campanola (USDA) at mary.campan...@usda.gov. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request
The goal is to learn what the muni's objective is. Their objective is not always to enable broadband expansion. Sometimes a small town cares more about generating a new source of revenue. Your goal is to changed the perspective that they'll want to charge you $2000/month to co-locate, to one that they want to give you space for free, because of the economic development need to the community to deliver broadband. You'll want to be friend influencial people in the community, and get them excited about broadband. You'll want to document competence for the water tower work. Address concerns for safety, cosmetic appeal, and potential damage to the water tower. You'll want to document insurance. But mostly, you'll want to document the need for your services in the community. And you'll want to offer a direct benefit to the town government as well. (For example, inkind trade worth of broadband service to a few key public venues). You'll also want to research the zoning options for constructing towers, so you know what your alternatives are, if the town board is not cooperative. Make sure you have a long term agreement to co-locate.(For example 5 years renewable for up to 20 years.) Make sure your agreement has first-in non-intererence clauses, specifiying the spectrum ranges that you will be using. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tower colocation request Hi guys, we are looking to deploy a wifi system on a local water tower to service and underserved area. This will be our first experience dealing with a new municipality and we have it slated for a board agenda. I was wondering if there were standard proposals out there to use, or if someone had an example they were willing to share, of what information they provide to the municipality, or what to pay attention to when trying to get space on the tower. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 3/1/2009 5:46 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] what to ask for at NTIA and RUS
Some simple rules to move things in your direction... 1. limit the size of loans or grants - nothing over, say, 300K. No multi million dollar get some guy real rich schemes. 2. Limit the areas allowed to be paid for, in other words, only so many dollars per square mile. 3. Require local presence in area covered. Nobody from Odessa getting money for Pendleton... 4. Allow dollars to be used for customer end, not just infrastructure or a truck or something. I disagree with 'no startups' as there's a lot of area that simply has to be a venture of its own. No community access or community centers. Those things are absurd. Like, does Odessa really need an internet cafe? What about Lind? that's just off the top of my head. Have fun. new customers waiting... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: [WISPA] what to ask for at NTIA and RUS OK, I've been putting some thought into this bailout mess we find ourselves in. The agencies have almost no time to design a program, take applications, distribute money and audit the results. I'll be surprised if they aren't forced to accept a basic outline of a plan drawn on a Denny's napkin. What will the easiest and safest way to go as a government employee? Just shoot most of the money out to the people that you already know. Even though you've already sent 6 billion out the door to that same group (BTW, we should use that number as a big reason why they should radically change their models). No one will get in trouble for sticking with what's known, and there's not nearly enough time to study the issue, accept public input etc. etc. etc. I don't know if we'll ever get the chance to give our input to the agencies involved. (I know WISPA and many of us individually will sure be working on that though!!!) But if we do, what should we push for? The more of us push in the same direction the more we'll be able to move the agencies out of their historic ruts. Some of the things that I think would help a company like mine deal with the grants. Heck, even want the grants. (The last time I even considered one was in 2001, too many strings.) No strings attached. Accept the plan laid out, look at the goals of the plan and approve or disapprove based on that. (We need more and better broadband out here, but we do NOT need computer centers!) Allow basic plans. There isn't time for us to figure this out down to the last nut and bolt either. I have a plan to build new towers in many locations. Some will be near existing buildings that are used for towers now, others will have to be in totally new locations. It'll take time to buy/lease ground. I might have to move my locations by great distances. Allow labor to be paid. If I can grow/update my network I'll need to hire some help. I won't be able to do enough new installs or upgrades to get it all done quickly. Fund small businesses at 100%. If I had the ability to get more money (for matching funds) I'd have already used it to deploy more coverage to more users. Allow funding to purchase the tools needed to expand. If I get another installation crew running I'll need a rig for them. They'll need some training etc. Allow the specifics of a deployment to change if need be. As long as the original goal is still being met. Money will need to be sent out in advance. Lets say that a company gets a $1m grant. They need $100k to $200k in the bank at all times. This will allow is to get cash with order deals, adjust for changing opportunities etc. We'll also be able to move MUCH more quickly than we otherwise would. Tie grant funds to the 477. If a company can prove that it's already been in the broadband industry and has already been serving customers they should be empowered to do more of what they already do. They'd have the greatest chance of success over the long haul. Do NOT fund startups. The Muni Wireless industry's pitiful results should demonstrate that most of the big thinkers just don't get the market. Let those that are already successful expand on what they are already able to accomplish. Make sure that most of the money goes to small business. The goal here is to create jobs. 90%+ of America's economy revolves around small business. Many more jobs will be created and the money used more efficiently (as seen in the historical record) by small businesses. Fund operations for x (3 to 5?) years. We can build the networks today, but we can't create users today. It will take time to sign them up. It will take time for them to maximize their new efficiencies with the new technologies (or upgraded technologies) that we'll install. What
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Done :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Rick, will you add me to the grants committee list? On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org, I will allow them to go through. The Grants Committee wants your input but does not necessarily read every post on all the listservs. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I thought I saw some posts on that? My main concern is that I do not want a community to be determined by Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people that are not on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major pitfalls of the USDA program. I could have funded nearly 20 communities for grants already had the rules left out the Census. There needs to be a better way to determine if a community is indeed a community regardless of whether it is reported as a community or not. The second thing that I would propose is the use of funds for obtaining licensed spectrum, including but not limited to EBS/BRS and PTP microwave links. Thirdly, there should be no salary cap as the USDA puts on Network Administrative positions that must be filled to help manage this growth. Quality Network Engineers and administrators are high paying positions, not to mention, engineers with the experience in RF, cellular-type technologies with the know-how to build a top notch wimax network. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of
Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request
Tom, Thanks this is just the sort of information I was looking for. I was also looking for maybe some notes or documentation from someone who's done the presentation dance in front of the municipality. Regards Michael Baird The goal is to learn what the muni's objective is. Their objective is not always to enable broadband expansion. Sometimes a small town cares more about generating a new source of revenue. Your goal is to changed the perspective that they'll want to charge you $2000/month to co-locate, to one that they want to give you space for free, because of the economic development need to the community to deliver broadband. You'll want to be friend influencial people in the community, and get them excited about broadband. You'll want to document competence for the water tower work. Address concerns for safety, cosmetic appeal, and potential damage to the water tower. You'll want to document insurance. But mostly, you'll want to document the need for your services in the community. And you'll want to offer a direct benefit to the town government as well. (For example, inkind trade worth of broadband service to a few key public venues). You'll also want to research the zoning options for constructing towers, so you know what your alternatives are, if the town board is not cooperative. Make sure you have a long term agreement to co-locate.(For example 5 years renewable for up to 20 years.) Make sure your agreement has first-in non-intererence clauses, specifiying the spectrum ranges that you will be using. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tower colocation request Hi guys, we are looking to deploy a wifi system on a local water tower to service and underserved area. This will be our first experience dealing with a new municipality and we have it slated for a board agenda. I was wondering if there were standard proposals out there to use, or if someone had an example they were willing to share, of what information they provide to the municipality, or what to pay attention to when trying to get space on the tower. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 3/1/2009 5:46 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Our state has a rural connectivity program that is part of our state's utility commission and is preparing for the potential for federal funding. They were interested in mapping, data, and projects. They asked ISPs in the state for our suggestions... Here's what I sent in: The ISPs around the nation are following the topic with interest and seeing how it sorts out. Personally, I'd been hoping for the 10-20% federal tax rebate for new broadband infrastructure that had been in a version of the stimulus bill two days before it was finally signed. That would have improved our ability to invest in infrastructure and projects and have less taxes result, as those investments are typically taxed over a depreciate schedule. If the state were able to do something with the same effect and simplicity, it would reduce the costs of new broadband deployment, it would be technology neutral, and be fair and competitively neutral to all broadband providers, whether incumbent telcos, wisps, clecs, cable companies, etc.. We'd investigated RUS projects before, but the additional associated tasks and initial and ongoing paperwork were not worth the savings of two percent interest rate reduction for example. With the low interest rates now, I don't see RUS loans as terribly attractive. As far as mapping, I doubt there is a uniform method for getting granular details of availability. The FCC has been trying to get more information for their 477 filing, and has delayed it's due date as companies are trying to figure out which census boundaries all their customers are in. We will have to modify our database software to keep track of this. If the state comes up with some sort of system, it's reporting requirements should ideally be minimally burdensome, as it could be difficult for ISPs to generate something custom in a short time interval. As far as wireless goes, coverage is typically estimated on a map, and the accuracy varies tremendously. Fairly accurate maps can be done with software called 'radio mobile', it is difficult to use and quite a bit of confidential information can be deducted from the coverage patterns it produces. It's sort of advanced software that I would not expect all WISPs to have or use. There are companies that make these graphs for people, and one is looking to get in on mapping needs for stimulus projects. http://www.wirelessmapping.com/National%20Map.htm shows a national map made with zipcodes of provider's service areas. http://www.wirelessmapping.com/sample_maps.htm shows some of the types of coverage maps this company can provide. A company like this might be of interest to your mapping needs. For cable coverage, towns may get street level maps during franchise negotiation, but you'd probably have to file FOI requests with each town and hope for the best. As far as consortium style projects, there are several needs common to lots of ISPs. We are basically at the mercy of Fairpoint for fiber within the state to connect towns together. This is a major reason why so many ISPs, Clecs, and other organizations were following the Fairpoint transaction last year so closely. While the fiber is reliable from them, it's not inexpensive or a competitive solution to bringing faster broadband to non-urban areas. Basically, bandwidth between cities and towns in Maine is obscenely expensive, more so than bandwidth between states, when you consider a fiber installtion might serve a smaller magnitude of end users for the cost. Interstate fiber bandwidth is cheap because there is both competition and volume. Maine might utilize some federal broadband funding in conjunction with federal infrastructure construction projects to fund fiber and/or conduits be put in with road reconstruction, rail rehabilitation (e.g. Sprint gets it's name from South Pacific Railroad as the railroad used it's rights of way to provide private line networks and long distance bypassing the monopoly ATT), bridge rehabilitiation, and any other projects improving or disturbing public rights of way where it would be beneficial to install fiber. The fiber would then be available to municipalities, ISPs, telcos, cell companies, businesses, government uses on an open access sort of basis for basically any installation or management costs and without guarantees. Where fiber is needed will of course vary from ISP to ISP as our markets both differ and overlap, but there are other potential users as well, such as the education, municipal, business, etc.. Fiber can also be used now to measure temperatures over it's course, so perhaps there are scientific or weather/environmental opportunities as well. As far as the business angle of this, right now, we pay $X for worldwide Internet bandwidth in Rockland. It probably costs 1/3x in Portland, but the cost of getting it to Rockland is a major expense, and would be more so if companies like GWI hadn't worked hard to maintain access to it
Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request
Visual aids are worth a thousand words. A photoshopping of your gear on their tower. Bring some gear too. This antenna I'm holding is big because it has to pick up such a weak signal, the federally regulated signals are 5x weaker than the cell phone you carry on your body See the drawings I've passed out to see how the gear fits to scale on the water tower railing. Customers will have a piece of equipment such as this... Have a proposal they can sign, that explains your insurance coverage, safety, professionalism, terms etc... If you let their municipal lawyer do it all, you might be sorry. On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 11:57:50AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote: Tom, Thanks this is just the sort of information I was looking for. I was also looking for maybe some notes or documentation from someone who's done the presentation dance in front of the municipality. Regards Michael Baird The goal is to learn what the muni's objective is. Their objective is not always to enable broadband expansion. Sometimes a small town cares more about generating a new source of revenue. Your goal is to changed the perspective that they'll want to charge you $2000/month to co-locate, to one that they want to give you space for free, because of the economic development need to the community to deliver broadband. You'll want to be friend influencial people in the community, and get them excited about broadband. You'll want to document competence for the water tower work. Address concerns for safety, cosmetic appeal, and potential damage to the water tower. You'll want to document insurance. But mostly, you'll want to document the need for your services in the community. And you'll want to offer a direct benefit to the town government as well. (For example, inkind trade worth of broadband service to a few key public venues). You'll also want to research the zoning options for constructing towers, so you know what your alternatives are, if the town board is not cooperative. Make sure you have a long term agreement to co-locate.(For example 5 years renewable for up to 20 years.) Make sure your agreement has first-in non-intererence clauses, specifiying the spectrum ranges that you will be using. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tower colocation request Hi guys, we are looking to deploy a wifi system on a local water tower to service and underserved area. This will be our first experience dealing with a new municipality and we have it slated for a board agenda. I was wondering if there were standard proposals out there to use, or if someone had an example they were willing to share, of what information they provide to the municipality, or what to pay attention to when trying to get space on the tower. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 3/1/2009 5:46 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] HD WiFi coming this summer?
Welcome some more interference Celenos OptimizAIR technology uses 5 GHz spectrum, not the 2.4 GHz spectrum used by todays WiFi data networks. OptimizAIR uses standard PHY and MAC layers but adds proprietary algorithms that the company says can double the throughput of standard 802.11 WiFi... Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
I am. Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use ok to designate an unenthusiastic, but affirmative statement that it works.3.65 seems to have unique propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso than 5 or 2.4. Or, that's how it seems. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be used in mikrotik? brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Agenda for March 10
AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 PUBLIC MEETING ON BROADBAND INITIATIVES The National Telecommunications and Information Administration, the Department of Agriculture's Rural Development, and the Federal Communications Commission will hold a joint meeting Tuesday March 10 to discuss the broadband initiatives of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The meeting will take place in the Department of Commerce Auditorium and the agenda includes remarks from Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack; FCC Chairman Michael Copps; the NTIA's Anna Gomez, Bernadette McGuire-Rivera, and Mark Seifert; David Villano, Assistant Administrator for Telecommunication Programs, USDA Rural Development; and Scott M. Deutchman, Acting Senior Legal Advisor to Acting FCC Chairman Copps. The Public Meeting will be streamed over the Web with captions and made available on NTIA's website www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants [http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants]. Interested parties wishing to submit questions in advance of the meeting may do so by emailing them to Barbara Brown (NTIA) at bbr...@ntia.doc.gov; Christi Shewman (FCC) at christi.shew...@fcc.gov; or Mary Campanola (USDA) at mary.campan...@usda.gov [mailto:mary.campan...@usda.gov]. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Marlon, Also note... Your post was sent to the general list, not the members list. Technically, WISPA's obligation is to only consider the opinions of its members when formulating official WISPA opinion. As well, there is risk in sharing WISPA's strategy with the open public, which include our competitors. This thread would likely be more active, if it was made on the member's list, so comments could be made freely, knowing the audience. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John McDowell j...@boonlink.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Rick, will you add me to the grants committee list? On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org, I will allow them to go through. The Grants Committee wants your input but does not necessarily read every post on all the listservs. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I thought I saw some posts on that? My main concern is that I do not want a community to be determined by Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people that are not on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major pitfalls of the USDA program. I could have funded nearly 20 communities for grants already had the rules left out the Census. There needs to be a better way to determine if a community is indeed a community regardless of whether it is reported as a community or not. The second thing that I would propose is the use of funds for obtaining licensed spectrum, including but not limited to EBS/BRS and PTP microwave links. Thirdly, there should be no salary cap as the USDA puts on Network Administrative positions that must be filled to help manage this growth. Quality Network Engineers and administrators are high paying positions, not to mention, engineers with the experience in RF, cellular-type technologies with the know-how to build a top notch wimax network. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Pico Station 2
These should be first available this month. They have not started to ship these yet. /Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc Authorized Ubiquity distributor --Original Message-- From: Andrew Niemantsverdriet Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Pico Station 2 Sent: Mar 2, 2009 14:05 Where can I buy these? I have seen some stuff from Ubiquiti that they are shipping but I can't seem to find anybody that carries them. Anybody have any info? Thanks, _ /-\ ndrew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Victoria, For instance if a telco comes up with a proposal for an area that we are considering for wireless, the powers that be should consider the costs. Great point... Currently rules state that preference will go to proposals that serve the highest percentage of persons within the proposed area. As long as there are large census areas defined as communities, a rich telco with a large project will get preference, regardless of how expensive per user. There definately should be a higher preference on efficiency, meaning the highest number of consumers served per dollar spent. (not per area) IT feasible that the government may not have wanted to prefer efficiency because Fiber will likely be more expensive, and it could be thought that Fiber has more speed, and justified with long term life span fiber would deliver. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas The ARRA specifically states rural wireless, I would think the telcos are going to have problems with that, or maybe I am wrong. A local telco announced yesterday that they are going after stimulus monies and hired a DC law firm to keep track of what is going on. If telcos try to expand DSL, the cost is going to be huge, same as with cable companies. I think one of the things that should be defined is rural wireless and the rules to play in that field. For instance if a telco comes up with a proposal for an area that we are considering for wireless, the powers that be should consider the costs. Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com MissouriRuralWireless.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.6/1981 - Release Date: 3/3/2009 7:25 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
Yes they can. Ligowave also offers a PtP product. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:29 AM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be used in mikrotik? brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request
Mike, I have had significant experience in numerous initial phase projects to encourage working with local government. For example, in my county access to watertowers was supposed to be free, in exchange for new tower errection restrictions in the community. However, I do not have any muni related documents to share. The reason is I took a different path in the past. I immediately learned that I hated beurocracy, and had little patients to spend precious time justifying to officials the value of my presence, and what I want. Free colocation was becomming to costly, and to slow and tedious of a process, for me. Based on the markets that I was targeting, I had many options in front of me. I chose the path to negotiate with private tower companies and landlords, so I could quickly get things done. I also wanted many significant protection, that was hard to get, when bartering access. I also wanted PRIME realestate, and the counties didn't own it, in my markets. I pay for everything. But I negotiate everything well down to the lowest dollar, based on real market pressures and options. I go to a prospect, with what I want to pay, what my options are, and why they should give me my price. And if they don't give it, I dont do business with them, because I know I can get my price elsewhere. But there are MANY WISPs on this list, that probably do have docs and relationships with their local muni, and I'm sure someone will step up to share Documents that you are looking for.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request Tom, Thanks this is just the sort of information I was looking for. I was also looking for maybe some notes or documentation from someone who's done the presentation dance in front of the municipality. Regards Michael Baird The goal is to learn what the muni's objective is. Their objective is not always to enable broadband expansion. Sometimes a small town cares more about generating a new source of revenue. Your goal is to changed the perspective that they'll want to charge you $2000/month to co-locate, to one that they want to give you space for free, because of the economic development need to the community to deliver broadband. You'll want to be friend influencial people in the community, and get them excited about broadband. You'll want to document competence for the water tower work. Address concerns for safety, cosmetic appeal, and potential damage to the water tower. You'll want to document insurance. But mostly, you'll want to document the need for your services in the community. And you'll want to offer a direct benefit to the town government as well. (For example, inkind trade worth of broadband service to a few key public venues). You'll also want to research the zoning options for constructing towers, so you know what your alternatives are, if the town board is not cooperative. Make sure you have a long term agreement to co-locate.(For example 5 years renewable for up to 20 years.) Make sure your agreement has first-in non-intererence clauses, specifiying the spectrum ranges that you will be using. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tower colocation request Hi guys, we are looking to deploy a wifi system on a local water tower to service and underserved area. This will be our first experience dealing with a new municipality and we have it slated for a board agenda. I was wondering if there were standard proposals out there to use, or if someone had an example they were willing to share, of what information they provide to the municipality, or what to pay attention to when trying to get space on the tower. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 3/1/2009 5:46 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] OT: Surveillance Self-Defense
https://ssd.eff.org/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn
Doesn't anyone worry about anyone data mining email addys and such? Nothing is ever free on the internet! marlon - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn Hi Jeff, I think I added you late last week. If not today. I see your name on the members list. Thanks! Lots of people joined today after the discussion on the list. Martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community /* Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Martha, I put in for membership to the Wispa group a couple days ago, but I don't think it's gone through yet. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:27 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn Hi all, I am on Linked In and Facebook. Facebook is new to me and I don't find it as easy as LinkedIn, but probably cause it's new. Also, LinkedIn has been more advatageous as far as business for me. I use it to find people that I know who know managers and owners of multi-tenant units. That way I don't have to do cold-calling. You could also use it to find installers by adding your status, I would assume. I am planning to use Facebook more as a fan page where I can get residential users interested and give them more information. More as an advertising tool. You can also advertise on Facebook and use very specific demographics for your advertising. As someone mentioned, don't forget to join the LinkedIn WISPA Group. This is a great place for us to have discussions and to share articles. Martha Huizenga WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Link problem
Hi all... All of a sudden, a PtP link that has been stable, -79 rssi or so bi-directional has become very asymmetric. I now get -79 rssi/-98 noise floor at one end and -88 rssi/-95 noise floor at the other... Link is a pair of cm9's, 20db grids, 5.180GHz, range 1km, clear LOS. 3ft lmr-400 radio to antenna at one end, 60ft lmr-400 radio to antenna at other end. Any ideas? Clear and cold here, 27F. Dry since last Thursday... Thanks. Blair WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request
We utilize both muni and private locations for wireless sites. Private is by far the easiest to work with. Everyone shares the same goals, the organizational leaders change less frequently. There is less politics, things happen faster. We can not avoid dealing with municipalities though. I often wish I didn't have to deal with them. Some are great, others are more challenging, some I wouldn't even attempt a project in their town if it meant getting their permission to do something. On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 12:28:06PM -0500, Tom DeReggi wrote: Mike, I have had significant experience in numerous initial phase projects to encourage working with local government. For example, in my county access to watertowers was supposed to be free, in exchange for new tower errection restrictions in the community. However, I do not have any muni related documents to share. The reason is I took a different path in the past. I immediately learned that I hated beurocracy, and had little patients to spend precious time justifying to officials the value of my presence, and what I want. Free colocation was becomming to costly, and to slow and tedious of a process, for me. Based on the markets that I was targeting, I had many options in front of me. I chose the path to negotiate with private tower companies and landlords, so I could quickly get things done. I also wanted many significant protection, that was hard to get, when bartering access. I also wanted PRIME realestate, and the counties didn't own it, in my markets. I pay for everything. But I negotiate everything well down to the lowest dollar, based on real market pressures and options. I go to a prospect, with what I want to pay, what my options are, and why they should give me my price. And if they don't give it, I dont do business with them, because I know I can get my price elsewhere. But there are MANY WISPs on this list, that probably do have docs and relationships with their local muni, and I'm sure someone will step up to share Documents that you are looking for.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request Tom, Thanks this is just the sort of information I was looking for. I was also looking for maybe some notes or documentation from someone who's done the presentation dance in front of the municipality. Regards Michael Baird The goal is to learn what the muni's objective is. Their objective is not always to enable broadband expansion. Sometimes a small town cares more about generating a new source of revenue. Your goal is to changed the perspective that they'll want to charge you $2000/month to co-locate, to one that they want to give you space for free, because of the economic development need to the community to deliver broadband. You'll want to be friend influencial people in the community, and get them excited about broadband. You'll want to document competence for the water tower work. Address concerns for safety, cosmetic appeal, and potential damage to the water tower. You'll want to document insurance. But mostly, you'll want to document the need for your services in the community. And you'll want to offer a direct benefit to the town government as well. (For example, inkind trade worth of broadband service to a few key public venues). You'll also want to research the zoning options for constructing towers, so you know what your alternatives are, if the town board is not cooperative. Make sure you have a long term agreement to co-locate.(For example 5 years renewable for up to 20 years.) Make sure your agreement has first-in non-intererence clauses, specifiying the spectrum ranges that you will be using. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tower colocation request Hi guys, we are looking to deploy a wifi system on a local water tower to service and underserved area. This will be our first experience dealing with a new municipality and we have it slated for a board agenda. I was wondering if there were standard proposals out there to use, or if someone had an example they were willing to share, of what information they provide to the municipality, or what to pay attention to when trying to get space on the tower. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request
One thing that I found helpful when we had to do this for the county years back was actually to bring in some sample equipments that we talked about installing. Also bringing picture of typical cell company tower installs. Showing them that we are looking for minimal size and will cause far less stress on the tower then what the cell company would. Also outlay our economics showing to them that we economically couldn't afford to pay these fees based on the coverage area that the technology can provide as well the economics in the area how many customer we would expect to be able to get from said tower site and compare this with how the cell phone companies require the coverage they do for their mobile users and possible even do a study on larger roads close by the tower to get amount of traffic going by there to get an estimate how many cell subscribers that do hit that tower in their wish to have their mobile phone and data service. One of tower we got co located I know Sprint wanted to go up but their engineering study I found out (from the guy that maintained the tower) required them to reinforce the tower because it wasn't deemed to be strong enough for what they wanted to do. Of course with this final info and showing what we wanted to install carried in a duffle bag made them change their tune on the amount they wanted. Plus of course. Some research finding that t most tower companies in the area charged on average no more then $1/ft/antenna. So 2 possible 3 antennas at 180ft and 2 antennas at 240ft shouldn't cost us in this case almost $1k per tower as they wanted to charge. We ended up getting on for $600 for both towers. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:57:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request Tom, Thanks this is just the sort of information I was looking for. I was also looking for maybe some notes or documentation from someone who's done the presentation dance in front of the municipality. Regards Michael Baird The goal is to learn what the muni's objective is. Their objective is not always to enable broadband expansion. Sometimes a small town cares more about generating a new source of revenue. Your goal is to changed the perspective that they'll want to charge you $2000/month to co-locate, to one that they want to give you space for free, because of the economic development need to the community to deliver broadband. You'll want to be friend influencial people in the community, and get them excited about broadband. You'll want to document competence for the water tower work. Address concerns for safety, cosmetic appeal, and potential damage to the water tower. You'll want to document insurance. But mostly, you'll want to document the need for your services in the community. And you'll want to offer a direct benefit to the town government as well. (For example, inkind trade worth of broadband service to a few key public venues). You'll also want to research the zoning options for constructing towers, so you know what your alternatives are, if the town board is not cooperative. Make sure you have a long term agreement to co-locate.(For example 5 years renewable for up to 20 years.) Make sure your agreement has first-in non-intererence clauses, specifiying the spectrum ranges that you will be using. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tower colocation request Hi guys, we are looking to deploy a wifi system on a local water tower to service and underserved area. This will be our first experience dealing with a new municipality and we have it slated for a board agenda. I was wondering if there were standard proposals out there to use, or if someone had an example they were willing to share, of what information they provide to the municipality, or what to pay attention to when trying to get space on the tower. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 3/1/2009 5:46 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn
I'm not sure that LinkedIn exposes public e-mail addresses but it does give you the option of posting your own Website which, in turn, may expose an e-mail address. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn Doesn't anyone worry about anyone data mining email addys and such? Nothing is ever free on the internet! marlon - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn Hi Jeff, I think I added you late last week. If not today. I see your name on the members list. Thanks! Lots of people joined today after the discussion on the list. Martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community /* Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Martha, I put in for membership to the Wispa group a couple days ago, but I don't think it's gone through yet. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:27 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn Hi all, I am on Linked In and Facebook. Facebook is new to me and I don't find it as easy as LinkedIn, but probably cause it's new. Also, LinkedIn has been more advatageous as far as business for me. I use it to find people that I know who know managers and owners of multi-tenant units. That way I don't have to do cold-calling. You could also use it to find installers by adding your status, I would assume. I am planning to use Facebook more as a fan page where I can get residential users interested and give them more information. More as an advertising tool. You can also advertise on Facebook and use very specific demographics for your advertising. As someone mentioned, don't forget to join the LinkedIn WISPA Group. This is a great place for us to have discussions and to share articles. Martha Huizenga -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Marlon, I've also had problems getting started with Radio Mobile. I haven't tried it yet, but Snowcrash on the StarOS forums suggested the tutorial at this site. http://www.g3tvu.co.uk/Quick_Start.htm It looks promising. Maybe better printed out on a black white printer :-) -John On Mar 3, 2009, at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link problem
Blair,
Well, because the 5.180 GHz range is only legal for indoor use in the
U.S., your problem could be one of the following.
a) The signal over the 1 km indoor path is bouncing off too many
interior walls and creating unpredictable multipath effects. Check to
see if any new interior walls have been constructed recently and, if
so, order them removed immediately. If they are in the "critical path",
don't hesitate to immediately knock them down yourself! In the future,
plan to cover such long indoor paths with at least 3 hops.
b) Somebody moved some large item somewhere in the 1km-long warehouse
(or whatever other HUGE building) that you have deployed inside of.
That huge moved item (perhaps a large crane or boat) is partially
blocking the signal path. The item may be closer to one end of the link
thereby causing the lower RSSI at the other end of the link. Walk the
path to locate any large objects and have them relocated.
c) The building may have become overheated at one end causing the cm9
at that end to overheat and go out of spec causing low transmitter
output power. Check the building temperature at the end OPPOSITE the
end where the RSSI is low and correct it.
d) A bird may have gotten into the building (don't laugh, I've seen it
happen before, especially in very large buildings) and built a nest in
the feedhorn of one grid antenna thereby introducing 9 dB of
attenuation of the signal strength on receive. Visually inspect both
antennas and remove any bird nests. Try to humanly trap the bird if at
all possible and release it outdoors with a firm verbal command to "go
home and don't come back".
e) The clear and cold weather outdoors may have caused a buildup of
static electricity indoors causing static damage to the front end of
the cm9 which is experiencing the RSSI decrease. The chances of this
are high especially if you failed to install lightning arrestors on
both ends of the indoor link.
f) Last but not least (and this is VERY IMPORTANT) - don't even think
about trying to figure out what might have happened to cause the RSSI
decrease until you go into that warehouse (or whatever that building
is) and CHANGE OUT EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT ON BOTH ENDS OF THE LINK.
Many, many WISPs have been using this method to "fix" bad links for
many years. If so many WISPs are using this ("swap before you stop")
method, there must be a very good reason why!
Good luck and good birding!!
jack
Blair Davis wrote:
Hi all...
All of a sudden, a PtP link that has been stable, -79 rssi or so
bi-directional has become very asymmetric.
I now get -79 rssi/-98 noise floor at one end and -88 rssi/-95 noise
floor at the other...
Link is a pair of cm9's, 20db grids, 5.180GHz, range 1km, clear LOS.
3ft lmr-400 radio to antenna at one end, 60ft lmr-400 radio to antenna
at other end.
Any ideas?
Clear and cold here, 27F. Dry since last Thursday...
Thanks.
Blair
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Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn
You can control access to your personal info in both LinkedIn and Facebook. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn Doesn't anyone worry about anyone data mining email addys and such? Nothing is ever free on the internet! marlon - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn Hi Jeff, I think I added you late last week. If not today. I see your name on the members list. Thanks! Lots of people joined today after the discussion on the list. Martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community /* Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Martha, I put in for membership to the Wispa group a couple days ago, but I don't think it's gone through yet. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:27 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn Hi all, I am on Linked In and Facebook. Facebook is new to me and I don't find it as easy as LinkedIn, but probably cause it's new. Also, LinkedIn has been more advatageous as far as business for me. I use it to find people that I know who know managers and owners of multi-tenant units. That way I don't have to do cold-calling. You could also use it to find installers by adding your status, I would assume. I am planning to use Facebook more as a fan page where I can get residential users interested and give them more information. More as an advertising tool. You can also advertise on Facebook and use very specific demographics for your advertising. As someone mentioned, don't forget to join the LinkedIn WISPA Group. This is a great place for us to have discussions and to share articles. Martha Huizenga WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
I use RM a lot. I think you might find the tutorial much better than talking to someone. It goes at your speed, when you want and does a good job of giving you the basics and then what else it can do. And, as the saying goes, a picture is worth 1000 words. He shows you what you should see so you know you did the right thing. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.6/1981 - Release Date: 03/03/09 07:25:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link problem
One think I would look at is: Are the connector center pins crimped or are they soldered? Temperature has a way on contracting and expanding metal, darned all the luck. But this has happened to me in the past. --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net Subject: [WISPA] Link problem To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 12:58 PM div id=yiv1672673950!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head /head Hi all...br br All of a sudden, a PtP link that has been stable, -79 rssi or so bi-directional has become very asymmetric.br br I now get -79 rssi/-98 noise floor at one end and -88 rssi/-95 noise floor at the other...br br Link is a pair of cm9's, 20db grids, 5.180GHz, range 1km, clear LOS. 3ft lmr-400 radio to antenna at one end, 60ft lmr-400 radio to antenna at other end.br br Any ideas? br br Clear and cold here, 27F. Dry since last Thursday...br br Thanks.br br Blairbr br br /html /div WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:54:21AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I would prefer funds be made available to companies: with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services What's wrong with exceeding $1 million revenues? I've done so for a while, and I'm sure a bunch of other good local WISPs do to. deploying wireless services with speeds in excess of 10/2 for $100/month or less purchasing other companies, but requiring them to make the network capable of all other requirements (useful in obtaining ideal tower locations and improving monthly revenues from providers unwilling or incapable of doing anything Require wholesale net neutrality, but not retail net neutrality prefer wireless networks over landlines due to cost effectiveness Maybe some sort of graduated system where you offer faster, cheaper service with less restriction and you qualify for higher %ages of grant\loan. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
I was debating an amount, but it's far easier for companies exceeding $1M in revenues to raise funds than for someone making $100k. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:54:21AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I would prefer funds be made available to companies: with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services What's wrong with exceeding $1 million revenues? I've done so for a while, and I'm sure a bunch of other good local WISPs do to. deploying wireless services with speeds in excess of 10/2 for $100/month or less purchasing other companies, but requiring them to make the network capable of all other requirements (useful in obtaining ideal tower locations and improving monthly revenues from providers unwilling or incapable of doing anything Require wholesale net neutrality, but not retail net neutrality prefer wireless networks over landlines due to cost effectiveness Maybe some sort of graduated system where you offer faster, cheaper service with less restriction and you qualify for higher %ages of grant\loan. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Mike Hammett wrote: with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services What's wrong with that? That's only about $83k a month, which if you have a high ARPU could be as few as 800-1000 existing subscribers. I can understand having some sort of revenue cutoff, but that seems awfully low. I'm not sure I agree with the sentiment (why penalize people who have a demonstrated record of success?) but at least I understand it. deploying wireless services with speeds in excess of 10/2 for $100/month or less Is there PtMP gear available right now that can do this on a decent scale, providing that service to 30-50 customers per AP or head-end device, and is reasonably affordable? What is it? I'd like to buy a whole bunch of it. :) Keep in mind that you can't just say oh grants will pay for it all, because not even the government's coffers are bottomless, and the current administration seems to have a bit more focus on getting value for their dollar than the previous one. Given a choice between providing good service to 10,000 people or great service to 1,000, I suspect they'd choose the former. Require wholesale net neutrality, but not retail net neutrality I'm not even sure what this means. prefer wireless networks over landlines due to cost effectiveness There's no guarantee that wireless is always more cost-effective and always will be so. At this time, for low population-density areas, it often is, but that's nowhere near certain. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link problem
A typo It should have read 5.280GHz...
Sorry for the confusion.
Jack Unger wrote:
Blair,
Well, because the 5.180 GHz range is only legal for indoor use in the
U.S., your problem could be one of the following.
a) The signal over the 1 km indoor path is bouncing off too many
interior walls and creating unpredictable multipath effects. Check to
see if any new interior walls have been constructed recently and, if
so, order them removed immediately. If they are in the "critical path",
don't hesitate to immediately knock them down yourself! In the future,
plan to cover such long indoor paths with at least 3 hops.
b) Somebody moved some large item somewhere in the 1km-long warehouse
(or whatever other HUGE building) that you have deployed inside of.
That huge moved item (perhaps a large crane or boat) is partially
blocking the signal path. The item may be closer to one end of the link
thereby causing the lower RSSI at the other end of the link. Walk the
path to locate any large objects and have them relocated.
c) The building may have become overheated at one end causing the cm9
at that end to overheat and go out of spec causing low transmitter
output power. Check the building temperature at the end OPPOSITE the
end where the RSSI is low and correct it.
d) A bird may have gotten into the building (don't laugh, I've seen it
happen before, especially in very large buildings) and built a nest in
the feedhorn of one grid antenna thereby introducing 9 dB of
attenuation of the signal strength on receive. Visually inspect both
antennas and remove any bird nests. Try to humanly trap the bird if at
all possible and release it outdoors with a firm verbal command to "go
home and don't come back".
e) The clear and cold weather outdoors may have caused a buildup of
static electricity indoors causing static damage to the front end of
the cm9 which is experiencing the RSSI decrease. The chances of this
are high especially if you failed to install lightning arrestors on
both ends of the indoor link.
f) Last but not least (and this is VERY IMPORTANT) - don't even think
about trying to figure out what might have happened to cause the RSSI
decrease until you go into that warehouse (or whatever that building
is) and CHANGE OUT EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT ON BOTH ENDS OF THE LINK.
Many, many WISPs have been using this method to "fix" bad links for
many years. If so many WISPs are using this ("swap before you stop")
method, there must be a very good reason why!
Good luck and good birding!!
jack
Blair Davis wrote:
Hi all...
All of a sudden, a PtP link that has been stable, -79 rssi or so
bi-directional has become very asymmetric.
I now get -79 rssi/-98 noise floor at one end and -88 rssi/-95 noise
floor at the other...
Link is a pair of cm9's, 20db grids, 5.180GHz, range 1km, clear LOS.
3ft lmr-400 radio to antenna at one end, 60ft lmr-400 radio to antenna
at other end.
Any ideas?
Clear and cold here, 27F. Dry since last Thursday...
Thanks.
Blair
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Re: [WISPA] Dark Fiber
Lol no dont email the fiber please... Yeah send the maps\contact info if you would. Thanks, John - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 7:57:40 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dark Fiber Send the fiber your way or send maps\contact information your way? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:36 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dark Fiber Mike, Please send one my way. Thanks, John Buwa Michiana Wireless -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dark Fiber If anyone is near these markets looking for dark fiber to another of these markets, let me know. Locations should be available every 60 miles, possibly as short as every 1 - 2 miles. Manhattan, NY Hudson River Tunnel, NY Hoboken, NJ Port Reading Junction, NJ Harrisburg, PA Pittsburgh, PA Cleveland, OH Toledo, OH South Bend, IN Indiana Harbor, IN Chicago, IL Front Royal, VA Marshall, VA Ashburn, VA Fiber is being laid for 2Q 2010. I have maps available and can pass along the appropriate contact information. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Buwa Michiana Wireless Phone: 574-233-7170 http://www.michianawireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Maybe a higher value, but my point was that smaller operators can't get money because they're too small. Someone with thousands of customers has the ability to get financing either from a financial institution or private investors far more easily. There's no reason why MT or Star couldn't offer that sort of bandwidth. Another vendor I'm speaking to will have something out this spring that will do the same. The net neutrality comment means that if you sell a retail service, do whatever you want. If you're selling wholesale services, you must not block or prioritize any services. Wireless is more effective for rural areas, which is where the dollars are needed. No grant should go to Naperville, IL or Arlington, TX or Newton, MA where fiber is more effective. Those areas are already served and the current competitive providers should be investing (as Cablevision, Charter, and Verizon are in some areas). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Mike Hammett wrote: with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services What's wrong with that? That's only about $83k a month, which if you have a high ARPU could be as few as 800-1000 existing subscribers. I can understand having some sort of revenue cutoff, but that seems awfully low. I'm not sure I agree with the sentiment (why penalize people who have a demonstrated record of success?) but at least I understand it. deploying wireless services with speeds in excess of 10/2 for $100/month or less Is there PtMP gear available right now that can do this on a decent scale, providing that service to 30-50 customers per AP or head-end device, and is reasonably affordable? What is it? I'd like to buy a whole bunch of it. :) Keep in mind that you can't just say oh grants will pay for it all, because not even the government's coffers are bottomless, and the current administration seems to have a bit more focus on getting value for their dollar than the previous one. Given a choice between providing good service to 10,000 people or great service to 1,000, I suspect they'd choose the former. Require wholesale net neutrality, but not retail net neutrality I'm not even sure what this means. prefer wireless networks over landlines due to cost effectiveness There's no guarantee that wireless is always more cost-effective and always will be so. At this time, for low population-density areas, it often is, but that's nowhere near certain. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link problem
OK - well that changes EVERYTHING! Change the LMR-400 jumper on the
end with the low RSSI.
Blair Davis wrote:
A typo It should have read 5.280GHz...
Sorry for the confusion.
Jack Unger wrote:
Blair,
Well, because the 5.180 GHz range is only legal for indoor use in the
U.S., your problem could be one of the following.
a) The signal over the 1 km indoor path is bouncing off too many
interior walls and creating unpredictable multipath effects. Check to
see if any new interior walls have been constructed recently and, if
so, order them removed immediately. If they are in the "critical path",
don't hesitate to immediately knock them down yourself! In the future,
plan to cover such long indoor paths with at least 3 hops.
b) Somebody moved some large item somewhere in the 1km-long warehouse
(or whatever other HUGE building) that you have deployed inside of.
That huge moved item (perhaps a large crane or boat) is partially
blocking the signal path. The item may be closer to one end of the link
thereby causing the lower RSSI at the other end of the link. Walk the
path to locate any large objects and have them relocated.
c) The building may have become overheated at one end causing the cm9
at that end to overheat and go out of spec causing low transmitter
output power. Check the building temperature at the end OPPOSITE the
end where the RSSI is low and correct it.
d) A bird may have gotten into the building (don't laugh, I've seen it
happen before, especially in very large buildings) and built a nest in
the feedhorn of one grid antenna thereby introducing 9 dB of
attenuation of the signal strength on receive. Visually inspect both
antennas and remove any bird nests. Try to humanly trap the bird if at
all possible and release it outdoors with a firm verbal command to "go
home and don't come back".
e) The clear and cold weather outdoors may have caused a buildup of
static electricity indoors causing static damage to the front end of
the cm9 which is experiencing the RSSI decrease. The chances of this
are high especially if you failed to install lightning arrestors on
both ends of the indoor link.
f) Last but not least (and this is VERY IMPORTANT) - don't even think
about trying to figure out what might have happened to cause the RSSI
decrease until you go into that warehouse (or whatever that building
is) and CHANGE OUT EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT ON BOTH ENDS OF THE LINK.
Many, many WISPs have been using this method to "fix" bad links for
many years. If so many WISPs are using this ("swap before you stop")
method, there must be a very good reason why!
Good luck and good birding!!
jack
Blair Davis wrote:
Hi
all...
All of a sudden, a PtP link that has been stable, -79 rssi or so
bi-directional has become very asymmetric.
I now get -79 rssi/-98 noise floor at one end and -88 rssi/-95 noise
floor at the other...
Link is a pair of cm9's, 20db grids, 5.180GHz, range 1km, clear LOS.
3ft lmr-400 radio to antenna at one end, 60ft lmr-400 radio to antenna
at other end.
Any ideas?
Clear and cold here, 27F. Dry since last Thursday...
Thanks.
Blair
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Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Our last WISPA offically lobbied number was less than $10 million in yearly revenue. It solved the same purpose without excluding some WISPA members. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I was debating an amount, but it's far easier for companies exceeding $1M in revenues to raise funds than for someone making $100k. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:54:21AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I would prefer funds be made available to companies: with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services What's wrong with exceeding $1 million revenues? I've done so for a while, and I'm sure a bunch of other good local WISPs do to. deploying wireless services with speeds in excess of 10/2 for $100/month or less purchasing other companies, but requiring them to make the network capable of all other requirements (useful in obtaining ideal tower locations and improving monthly revenues from providers unwilling or incapable of doing anything Require wholesale net neutrality, but not retail net neutrality prefer wireless networks over landlines due to cost effectiveness Maybe some sort of graduated system where you offer faster, cheaper service with less restriction and you qualify for higher %ages of grant\loan. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.6/1981 - Release Date: 3/3/2009 7:25 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
That would be fine. I just don't want to see ATT, Verizon, or even someone smaller like Paetec to get anything. They had their chance to build these networks on their own. Now it's our turn. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Our last WISPA offically lobbied number was less than $10 million in yearly revenue. It solved the same purpose without excluding some WISPA members. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I was debating an amount, but it's far easier for companies exceeding $1M in revenues to raise funds than for someone making $100k. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:54:21AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I would prefer funds be made available to companies: with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services What's wrong with exceeding $1 million revenues? I've done so for a while, and I'm sure a bunch of other good local WISPs do to. deploying wireless services with speeds in excess of 10/2 for $100/month or less purchasing other companies, but requiring them to make the network capable of all other requirements (useful in obtaining ideal tower locations and improving monthly revenues from providers unwilling or incapable of doing anything Require wholesale net neutrality, but not retail net neutrality prefer wireless networks over landlines due to cost effectiveness Maybe some sort of graduated system where you offer faster, cheaper service with less restriction and you qualify for higher %ages of grant\loan. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.6/1981 - Release Date:
Re: [WISPA] Radwin
Are there any radios that are in the same space? Less than $5k for a link and not an MT or Star? I exclude those only because I can build an MT box myself. 100 megabit 100 megs (50 FD), 20 MHz - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Radwin What are people's experiences with Radwin? Anyone use their new radio? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10
What questions should be asked? I think we should ask if they are going to allow input as to what we (as the operators) think would be the most efficient use of funds. In other words, are we, as a trade group AND individuals, going to have ANY time to give them our ideas? After all, our ideas will be based on experience. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Smith st...@chase3000.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 PUBLIC MEETING ON BROADBAND INITIATIVES The National Telecommunications and Information Administration, the Department of Agriculture's Rural Development, and the Federal Communications Commission will hold a joint meeting Tuesday March 10 to discuss the broadband initiatives of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The meeting will take place in the Department of Commerce Auditorium and the agenda includes remarks from Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack; FCC Chairman Michael Copps; the NTIA's Anna Gomez, Bernadette McGuire-Rivera, and Mark Seifert; David Villano, Assistant Administrator for Telecommunication Programs, USDA Rural Development; and Scott M. Deutchman, Acting Senior Legal Advisor to Acting FCC Chairman Copps. The Public Meeting will be streamed over the Web with captions and made available on NTIA's website www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants. Interested parties wishing to submit questions in advance of the meeting may do so by emailing them to Barbara Brown (NTIA) at bbr...@ntia.doc.gov; Christi Shewman (FCC) at christi.shew...@fcc.gov; or Mary Campanola (USDA) at mary.campan...@usda.gov. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] what to ask for at NTIA and RUS
- Original Message - From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] what to ask for at NTIA and RUS Some simple rules to move things in your direction... 1. limit the size of loans or grants - nothing over, say, 300K. No multi million dollar get some guy real rich schemes. 2. Limit the areas allowed to be paid for, in other words, only so many dollars per square mile. 3. Require local presence in area covered. Nobody from Odessa getting money for Pendleton... Hey! You just lost me roflol 4. Allow dollars to be used for customer end, not just infrastructure or a truck or something. To really complete a project, we'll need both I disagree with 'no startups' as there's a lot of area that simply has to be a venture of its own. The problem is that pesky little 95% failure rate for new businesses. The goal here is to use government money to create jobs. Hopefully long term jobs. No community access or community centers. Those things are absurd. Like, does Odessa really need an internet cafe? What about Lind? Righto. Everyone here that wants a computer has one, or has access to one at work. OK, I know of ONE gal that has neither, but that's only cause she got a little carried away at work She's finally going to get her own though! The Library already has computers for the public. They get used, or so I'm told. Seems there's never anyone using them when I go to the library (and I do go there from time to time). marlon that's just off the top of my head. Have fun. new customers waiting... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: [WISPA] what to ask for at NTIA and RUS OK, I've been putting some thought into this bailout mess we find ourselves in. The agencies have almost no time to design a program, take applications, distribute money and audit the results. I'll be surprised if they aren't forced to accept a basic outline of a plan drawn on a Denny's napkin. What will the easiest and safest way to go as a government employee? Just shoot most of the money out to the people that you already know. Even though you've already sent 6 billion out the door to that same group (BTW, we should use that number as a big reason why they should radically change their models). No one will get in trouble for sticking with what's known, and there's not nearly enough time to study the issue, accept public input etc. etc. etc. I don't know if we'll ever get the chance to give our input to the agencies involved. (I know WISPA and many of us individually will sure be working on that though!!!) But if we do, what should we push for? The more of us push in the same direction the more we'll be able to move the agencies out of their historic ruts. Some of the things that I think would help a company like mine deal with the grants. Heck, even want the grants. (The last time I even considered one was in 2001, too many strings.) No strings attached. Accept the plan laid out, look at the goals of the plan and approve or disapprove based on that. (We need more and better broadband out here, but we do NOT need computer centers!) Allow basic plans. There isn't time for us to figure this out down to the last nut and bolt either. I have a plan to build new towers in many locations. Some will be near existing buildings that are used for towers now, others will have to be in totally new locations. It'll take time to buy/lease ground. I might have to move my locations by great distances. Allow labor to be paid. If I can grow/update my network I'll need to hire some help. I won't be able to do enough new installs or upgrades to get it all done quickly. Fund small businesses at 100%. If I had the ability to get more money (for matching funds) I'd have already used it to deploy more coverage to more users. Allow funding to purchase the tools needed to expand. If I get another installation crew running I'll need a rig for them. They'll need some training etc. Allow the specifics of a deployment to change if need be. As long as the original goal is still being met. Money will need to be sent out in advance. Lets say that a company gets a $1m grant. They need $100k to $200k in the bank at all times. This will allow is to get cash with order deals, adjust for changing opportunities etc. We'll also be able to move MUCH more quickly than we otherwise would. Tie grant funds to the 477. If a company can prove that it's already been in the broadband industry and has already been serving customers they should be empowered to do more of
Re: [WISPA] Link problem
LOL...Jack, I love the way you were able to troubleshoot his INDOOR link. Very informative. My hat's off to ya. Kudoos --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link problem To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 5:39 PM div id=yiv703214689!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head /head OK - well that changes EVERYTHING! Change the LMR-400 jumper on the end with the low RSSI. br br br Blair Davis wrote: blockquote type=cite A typo It should have read 5.280GHz...br br Sorry for the confusion.br br Jack Unger wrote: blockquote type=cite Blair, br br Well, because the 5.180 GHz range is only legal for indoor use in the U.S., your problem could be one of the following. br br a) The signal over the 1 km indoor path is bouncing off too many interior walls and creating unpredictable multipath effects. Check to see if any new interior walls have been constructed recently and, if so, order them removed immediately. If they are in the critical path, don't hesitate to immediately knock them down yourself! In the future, plan to cover such long indoor paths with at least 3 hops. br br b) Somebody moved some large item somewhere in the 1km-long warehouse (or whatever other HUGE building) that you have deployed inside of. That huge moved item (perhaps a large crane or boat) is partially blocking the signal path. The item may be closer to one end of the link thereby causing the lower RSSI at the other end of the link. Walk the path to locate any large objects and have them relocated. br br c) The building may have become overheated at one end causing the cm9 at that end to overheat and go out of spec causing low transmitter output power. Check the building temperature at the end OPPOSITE the end where the RSSI is low and correct it. br br d) A bird may have gotten into the building (don't laugh, I've seen it happen before, especially in very large buildings) and built a nest in the feedhorn of one grid antenna thereby introducing 9 dB of attenuation of the signal strength on receive. Visually inspect both antennas and remove any bird nests. Try to humanly trap the bird if at all possible and release it outdoors with a firm verbal command to go home and don't come back. br br e) The clear and cold weather outdoors may have caused a buildup of static electricity indoors causing static damage to the front end of the cm9 which is experiencing the RSSI decrease. The chances of this are high especially if you failed to install lightning arrestors on both ends of the indoor link. br br f) Last but not least (and this is VERY IMPORTANT) - don't even think about trying to figure out what might have happened to cause the RSSI decrease until you go into that warehouse (or whatever that building is) and CHANGE OUT EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT ON BOTH ENDS OF THE LINK. Many, many WISPs have been using this method to fix bad links for many years. If so many WISPs are using this (swap before you stop) method, there must be a very good reason why!br br Good luck and good birding!!br br jackbr br br Blair Davis wrote: blockquote type=citeHi all...br br All of a sudden, a PtP link that has been stable, -79 rssi or so bi-directional has become very asymmetric.br br I now get -79 rssi/-98 noise floor at one end and -88 rssi/-95 noise floor at the other...br br Link is a pair of cm9's, 20db grids, 5.180GHz, range 1km, clear LOS. 3ft lmr-400 radio to antenna at one end, 60ft lmr-400 radio to antenna at other end.br br Any ideas? br br Clear and cold here, 27F. Dry since last Thursday...br br Thanks.br br Blairbr br br prehr size=4 width=90% WISPA Wants You! Join today! a rel=nofollow class=moz-txt-link-freetext target=_blank href=http://signup.wispa.org/;http://signup.wispa.org//a WISPA Wireless List: a rel=nofollow class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated target=_blank href=mailto:wireless@wispa.org;wireless@wispa.org/a Subscribe/Unsubscribe: a rel=nofollow class=moz-txt-link-freetext target=_blank href=http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless;http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless/a Archives: a rel=nofollow class=moz-txt-link-freetext target=_blank href=http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/;http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless//a/pre /blockquote br pre class=moz-signature-- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Hiya Tom, Yeah I know where we sent it. As far as I'm concerned we speak for all WISPs. If they want to help control what is said they can join. But we're here if they want to provide input I think that good ideas are good ideas, no matter where they come from. There are some otherwise smart people that are still not members! AND, I already asked this on the members only list and no one bothered to even talk about it there. laters, marlon P.S. I'm not giving out anything that I think will help my competitors :-). - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Marlon, Also note... Your post was sent to the general list, not the members list. Technically, WISPA's obligation is to only consider the opinions of its members when formulating official WISPA opinion. As well, there is risk in sharing WISPA's strategy with the open public, which include our competitors. This thread would likely be more active, if it was made on the member's list, so comments could be made freely, knowing the audience. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John McDowell j...@boonlink.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Rick, will you add me to the grants committee list? On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org, I will allow them to go through. The Grants Committee wants your input but does not necessarily read every post on all the listservs. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I thought I saw some posts on that? My main concern is that I do not want a community to be determined by Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people that are not on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major pitfalls of the USDA program. I could have funded nearly 20 communities for grants already had the rules left out the Census. There needs to be a better way to determine if a community is indeed a community regardless of whether it is reported as a community or not. The second thing that I would propose is the use of funds for obtaining licensed spectrum, including but not limited to EBS/BRS and PTP microwave links. Thirdly, there should be no salary cap as the USDA puts on Network Administrative positions that must be filled to help manage this growth. Quality Network Engineers and administrators are high paying positions, not to mention, engineers with the experience in RF, cellular-type technologies with the know-how to build a top notch wimax network. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn
I'm probably more worried about you divulging my email address to them. I'm not a customer and not a user. What protections do *I* have when someone else gives them my email addy in an attempt to make me join the group? marlon - Original Message - From: Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn I'm not sure that LinkedIn exposes public e-mail addresses but it does give you the option of posting your own Website which, in turn, may expose an e-mail address. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn Doesn't anyone worry about anyone data mining email addys and such? Nothing is ever free on the internet! marlon - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn Hi Jeff, I think I added you late last week. If not today. I see your name on the members list. Thanks! Lots of people joined today after the discussion on the list. Martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community /* Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Martha, I put in for membership to the Wispa group a couple days ago, but I don't think it's gone through yet. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:27 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn Hi all, I am on Linked In and Facebook. Facebook is new to me and I don't find it as easy as LinkedIn, but probably cause it's new. Also, LinkedIn has been more advatageous as far as business for me. I use it to find people that I know who know managers and owners of multi-tenant units. That way I don't have to do cold-calling. You could also use it to find installers by adding your status, I would assume. I am planning to use Facebook more as a fan page where I can get residential users interested and give them more information. More as an advertising tool. You can also advertise on Facebook and use very specific demographics for your advertising. As someone mentioned, don't forget to join the LinkedIn WISPA Group. This is a great place for us to have discussions and to share articles. Martha Huizenga -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Get your SRTM data from here... ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version1/United_States_1arcsec/1arcsec/ -Eric Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
roflmao You guys really do give me FAR too much credit here! How the heck do I figure out which of those I need? Or do I need ALL of them? thanks marlon - Original Message - From: Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Get your SRTM data from here... ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version1/United_States_1arcsec/1arcsec/ -Eric Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
I think Marlon is going to get his tin foil hat out before he uses Paypal. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
OK, I have that in there. Nothing happened. Just send WHAT? An email? What's it supposed to say? I'm probably the only guy that that's NEVER used and ATM too. I don't have a PIN number or anything. If I'm gonna need cash I just go to the bank and get some. How hard is that? Plus I get to talk to the cute gals there. People are s much nicer to deal with that machines. Well, usually. grin laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Marlon, Roger Coude the software author (a personal friend of mine) is not a programmer, he is an engineer who built this to solve his problems. He was gracious enough years ago to release this as freeware and has worked very hard at improving it. Commercial RF tools (of which I have a few) cost in the 10's to hundreds of thousands of dollars. I sent you links to two very good tutorials on how to use this program, step by step instructions in fact. You not wanting to read the directions does not make someone a lazy programmer or a bad program. RF Engineering is not something you can learn by paying someone $100 for some phone tech support. Radio Mobile is a great program but it is not easy and it will take a lot of time for you to learn how to work it to the full potential and to get proper results. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
[WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome. Pall park numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high vs. low, I'd rather over estimate the costs. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] e rate in Wa.
Hiya, Anyone in Wa. set up for e-rate? Can you suggest a lawyer to help me get set up for it? Or is there something else that I need to do? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Oh, and by the way, Radio Mobile is not a mapping program, it just happens to use maps to display the engineering results it has the ability to calculate. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
[WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
OK, last one. What would you guys use for 3650 gear. I need to deliver very high speeds to lots of users with near 100% reliability. Money matters, but it's not the driving force here. Also, I'm looking for a mobile 4.9 system. We'll have to roam across multiple towers that have multiple ip ranges on them. The idea is not only to keep voip calls running while this happens, but also to always be able to remotely access the mobile pc's. Is there a system that will facilitate this idea (talking mobile broadband access across my 6000 square mile network). Do I have to create something from scratch? thanks! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Just for what it's worth, I have donated several hundred dollars to the Radio Mobile author over the past few years. Everyone else that uses it should donate as well... Travis Microserv Brian Webster wrote: Marlon, Roger Coude the software author (a personal friend of mine) is not a programmer, he is an engineer who built this to solve his problems. He was gracious enough years ago to release this as freeware and has worked very hard at improving it. Commercial RF tools (of which I have a few) cost in the 10's to hundreds of thousands of dollars. I sent you links to two very good tutorials on how to use this program, step by step instructions in fact. You not wanting to read the directions does not make someone a lazy programmer or a bad program. RF Engineering is not something you can learn by paying someone $100 for some phone tech support. Radio Mobile is a great program but it is not easy and it will take a lot of time for you to learn how to work it to the full potential and to get proper results. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome. Pall park numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high vs. low, I'd rather over estimate the costs. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
I get all that Brian. And, naturally you are right. I am sure that Roger is a great guy, if I ever get the chance to meet him I'd love to buy him a beer, on behalf of everyone that gets to take advantage of his hard work. I've give away more than a little of my own time and knowledge, with no expectation of a thank you let alone payment. I have the utmost respect for anyone that would do what he's done. Since this is freeware, maybe someone would like to make it at least as easy as, oh I duno, maybe Quickbooks? Not the easiest program in the world, but at least the average person can get it up and running without having to study a manual first. But I digress, I've not spent more time chasing my tail around an email thread than I'd have spent on the phone with someone that could have walked me through the setup and basic functions of this program. I knew that could happen. But that's the way it goes. Sometimes people think that everyone knows what they know. Like me telling a customer to right click. Sometimes they don't know what a right click is. Just like I don't know what I'm supposed to do with a paypal email address thingy. I'm just that not far along on the subject to even get started on my own. Many here have told of how hard it is to master RM. I've heard that over and over for years. Believe me, if I had 1 or 3 sites to look at I'd just have hired someone to deal with the map for me. I have 10s of sites to look at though. Across a large area. I have to first map out the 30+ sites I have, then fill in the holes and extend it by another 30 or so towers. I don't think I can get that done for even $1000 let alone a few hundred consulting dollars I'm more than happy to give to someone. What is it that Clint Eastood said? A man's gotta know his limitations. I know mine, and sitting down to read up on how to even get started with a software package isn't one of my strong suits! grin laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Marlon, Roger Coude the software author (a personal friend of mine) is not a programmer, he is an engineer who built this to solve his problems. He was gracious enough years ago to release this as freeware and has worked very hard at improving it. Commercial RF tools (of which I have a few) cost in the 10's to hundreds of thousands of dollars. I sent you links to two very good tutorials on how to use this program, step by step instructions in fact. You not wanting to read the directions does not make someone a lazy programmer or a bad program. RF Engineering is not something you can learn by paying someone $100 for some phone tech support. Radio Mobile is a great program but it is not easy and it will take a lot of time for you to learn how to work it to the full potential and to get proper results. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Um, can I pick a location, input some information about my antenna at that area and create a printable map? If I can't do that I've certainly picked the wrong program for what I want to do. I could have sworn that I'd seen coverage maps that were done with rm though. Do you have a suggestion for a product that would do a better job of what I'm trying to do? The only other one I know of was the one that wpcs used to have, but it was something like $50k. There was one that EC used to sell coverage maps from, but I don't remember who made them. Kingston or something like that? Each map was in the thousands as I recall. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Oh, and by the way, Radio Mobile is not a mapping program, it just happens to use maps to display the engineering results it has the ability to calculate. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Good idea. I'll try to remember to do that! marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Just for what it's worth, I have donated several hundred dollars to the Radio Mobile author over the past few years. Everyone else that uses it should donate as well... Travis Microserv Brian Webster wrote: Marlon, Roger Coude the software author (a personal friend of mine) is not a programmer, he is an engineer who built this to solve his problems. He was gracious enough years ago to release this as freeware and has worked very hard at improving it. Commercial RF tools (of which I have a few) cost in the 10's to hundreds of thousands of dollars. I sent you links to two very good tutorials on how to use this program, step by step instructions in fact. You not wanting to read the directions does not make someone a lazy programmer or a bad program. RF Engineering is not something you can learn by paying someone $100 for some phone tech support. Radio Mobile is a great program but it is not easy and it will take a lot of time for you to learn how to work it to the full potential and to get proper results. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] NS2 and EOC-2610
Some interesting results from a side by side comparison of these radios... ubquity NS2 firmware XS2.ar2316.v3.1.1.3498.080725.1324 ap sees radio at -77 radio sees ap at -76 EnGenius EOC-2610 firmware 1.0.30 ap sees radio at -76 radio sees ap at -89 Transfer rates are within 5% of each other Error rate is within 1% a couple of older radios I had on hand, hooked to an 9db patch, mounted in the same place as the NS2/EOC-2610, reported rssi values within 3 db or the NS2. Looks like the reported rssi on the EOC-2610 is off quite a bit. Comments? Blair WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
The 5.8 GHz backup links will help you deal with outages due to environmental conditions such as rain fade. That has to be factored in for links when you operate above 10 GHz. Even if you run a loop configuration you could have a fade condition that could block out a whole tower site severing your links to that location in both directions of your loop. Another path at a lower frequency with spatial diversity from your primary link (different mounting heights) would at least keep that site up though maybe not at full speed. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome. Pall park numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high vs. low, I'd rather over estimate the costs. thanks, marlon - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
I don't know if I'll be able to put some many antennas on the towers. How close together would I need the towers to prevent the rain fade outage at 18 gig? Aren't there any 5.8 systems that will do this reliably in the first place? I shouldn't need 5.x for distribution so I could use it all for backhaul. I'll have 2.4, 3.65, 4.9 and hopefully, someday, TVBD for the consumers. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul The 5.8 GHz backup links will help you deal with outages due to environmental conditions such as rain fade. That has to be factored in for links when you operate above 10 GHz. Even if you run a loop configuration you could have a fade condition that could block out a whole tower site severing your links to that location in both directions of your loop. Another path at a lower frequency with spatial diversity from your primary link (different mounting heights) would at least keep that site up though maybe not at full speed. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome. Pall park numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high vs. low, I'd rather over estimate the costs. thanks, marlon - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10
I suspect that Tom is correct in that very few questions will get to be asked at the March 10 meeting. Looking at the agenda it will be mostly speeches by representatives from the various agencies. Since they have the money, I also suspect that they will be the ones telling us how it works rather than asking us for suggestions. I think we are mostly past the input stage. Instead I think they are scrambling to put together the procedures they will use to evaluate any proposals they get. There are a lot of people wanting information and I kind of visualize it as feeding time at the fish farm. They are going to throw some money in the pond and there will be a feeding frenzy. I will send my questions to them via multiple channels and hope some of them get asked and answered. One of the primary questions I will have is if they are going to use the criteria required of them by the Office and Budget Guidance and the FCC? My guess is they will ignore some of those requirements unless someone points them out to them but maybe not. You might look at this post from the Benton Foundation for an idea of what they may be looking for. According to Benton this is a requirement that NTIA and RUS must work with when granting grants. http://www.benton.org/node/22559 I personally think it is worth engaging some of the people that have personal contacts with the decision makers so that we can tailor our grant requests to what they want. I think this is one of those rare opportunities that should be taken advantage of. I will approach them asking what they want rather than telling them how to do it. Steve Smith Chase 3000 Imperial, NE 69033 st...@chase3000.com 308 882-3000 308 883-3001 cell -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:20 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 What questions should be asked? I think we should ask if they are going to allow input as to what we (as the operators) think would be the most efficient use of funds. In other words, are we, as a trade group AND individuals, going to have ANY time to give them our ideas? After all, our ideas will be based on experience. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Smith st...@chase3000.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 PUBLIC MEETING ON BROADBAND INITIATIVES The National Telecommunications and Information Administration, the Department of Agriculture's Rural Development, and the Federal Communications Commission will hold a joint meeting Tuesday March 10 to discuss the broadband initiatives of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The meeting will take place in the Department of Commerce Auditorium and the agenda includes remarks from Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack; FCC Chairman Michael Copps; the NTIA's Anna Gomez, Bernadette McGuire-Rivera, and Mark Seifert; David Villano, Assistant Administrator for Telecommunication Programs, USDA Rural Development; and Scott M. Deutchman, Acting Senior Legal Advisor to Acting FCC Chairman Copps. The Public Meeting will be streamed over the Web with captions and made available on NTIA's website www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants. Interested parties wishing to submit questions in advance of the meeting may do so by emailing them to Barbara Brown (NTIA) at bbr...@ntia.doc.gov; Christi Shewman (FCC) at christi.shew...@fcc.gov; or Mary Campanola (USDA) at mary.campan...@usda.gov. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
Marlon, Trying to design a complex system like this via a listserve "committee" is more than a little bit risky. Have you considered going to someone who actually has this type of network design experience and paying them to do the whole job right the first time? Just asking. jack Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I don't know if I'll be able to put some many antennas on the towers. How close together would I need the towers to prevent the rain fade outage at 18 gig? Aren't there any 5.8 systems that will do this reliably in the first place? I shouldn't need 5.x for distribution so I could use it all for backhaul. I'll have 2.4, 3.65, 4.9 and hopefully, someday, TVBD for the consumers. marlon - Original Message - From: "Brian Webster" bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul The 5.8 GHz backup links will help you deal with outages due to environmental conditions such as rain fade. That has to be factored in for links when you operate above 10 GHz. Even if you run a loop configuration you could have a fade condition that could block out a whole tower site severing your links to that location in both directions of your loop. Another path at a lower frequency with spatial diversity from your primary link (different mounting heights) would at least keep that site up though maybe not at full speed. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" t...@ida.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome. Pall park numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high vs. low, I'd rather over estimate the costs. thanks, marlon - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
