Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
If it's anything like Part-15 vs. Part-90 for the XR3 and 3650, then there's actually LESS hoops to go through to use it vs. Part-15. I don't know the details of each of those bands, but it sounds like any statement saying you can't use homebrew is FUD. The FCC permits use of the XR3 in 3650, why wouldn't the XR4 work in 4.9. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 I can only quote the MotoMesh Duo today... MotoMesh Solo though is probably more along the lines of what you want... either way your not going to like the price if your trying to do it on the cheap. The sell to a city or county though should work though with more expensive gear because they can get grants, etc. for public safety. 4.9GHz to the car though is going to be hard to do without a Mesh system... and Mesh is costly. I'd hate to be the one to sell a homebrew 4.9GHz system to a government agency and have it not perform as advertised. You also need to be careful... 4.9GHz is part 90 not part-15 so FCC compliance should be high on your list. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Hmmm, can you price a system like this out? I'll need per tower and per node prices. Out here we'll probably be better off with a less expensive homebrew system due to long term costs though marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 That's what the MotoMesh gear is for... the MEA architecture (developed for the military to connector tanks with helicopters) allows the cop car to be traveling at 150MPH and for it to still work. Plus to modems you install in the cars can mesh with the ones in other cars... so if one car can connect to the network but another car 1/4 mile down the road can't... it can mesh through another car to work. I don't think a municipality/county is going to like deploying a homebrew solution for something like this... Moto already has the complete turnkey package available (not that any of it is cheap!) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Got it. Thanks! Any hardware suggestions to deal with the ssid/vlan or the mobile ip? The only reason mobility is important to me is that I envision a pursuit or code 3 call. The dispatcher could then take control of the car's laptop and push the call info, map/gps data etc. to the car. They could also use an ip enabled dash cam to keep an eye on what's happening at the call. This would allow much faster response times if something were to happen to the officer on scene. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Might look at Solectek, they have both 3.65 and 4.9 multipoint solutions. However, why not wait to see what happens with TVWS. Seems that band would be outstanding for mobile use. Since it's your network, you could assign each agency it's own SSID/VLAN which route across your network to the appropriate agency's servers. This way the IP's are not changing as they move from tower to tower - the only delay would be when the subscriber switches towers. Alternately MobileIP allows seamless roaming across multiple networks. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 OK, last one. What would you guys use for 3650 gear. I need to deliver very high speeds to lots of users with near 100% reliability. Money matters, but it's not the driving force here. Also, I'm looking for a mobile 4.9 system. We'll have to roam across multiple towers that have multiple ip ranges on them. The idea is not only to keep voip calls running while this happens, but also to always be able to remotely access the mobile pc's. Is there a system that will facilitate this idea (talking mobile broadband access across my 6000 square mile network). Do I have to
[WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
You might look into the Radwin RW-2000 ... speeds and price may be in the range ... 5.x GHz - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The Mikrotik solution can be done... but you will need a lot of clean spectrum to make it happen. At only a mile, you could use an RB433AH with a couple SR5 cards on each side. There is even an integrated antenna that will hold all of this, and provide vertical and horizontal antennas in the same enclosure (http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-19DP-58-R2) 2 x RB433AH 4 x SR5 cards 2 x dual pol antenna enclosures with pigtails I would estimate total cost of parts to be less than $800. A couple hours to build, test and configure and you should be good to go. The only real challenge will be finding two open 40mhz wide channels. However, I would think that could be done in the 5.3ghz and 5.4ghz bands without a problem. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED 40 to 50 meg full duplex. and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I get the bid for this project if I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm not sure I can make it happen do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see that microtik has a unit they say can do 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have experiance with them? Ryan On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more? -RickG On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly cheaper... PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it... but that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to find for this kind of bandwidth. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear is preferred as this is a low budget hop. Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this capacity? Thanks Ryan -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --
Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
I'd use redline an80 On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net wrote: You might look into the Radwin RW-2000 ... speeds and price may be in the range ... 5.x GHz - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The Mikrotik solution can be done... but you will need a lot of clean spectrum to make it happen. At only a mile, you could use an RB433AH with a couple SR5 cards on each side. There is even an integrated antenna that will hold all of this, and provide vertical and horizontal antennas in the same enclosure ( http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-19DP-58-R2 ) 2 x RB433AH 4 x SR5 cards 2 x dual pol antenna enclosures with pigtails I would estimate total cost of parts to be less than $800. A couple hours to build, test and configure and you should be good to go. The only real challenge will be finding two open 40mhz wide channels. However, I would think that could be done in the 5.3ghz and 5.4ghz bands without a problem. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED 40 to 50 meg full duplex. and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I get the bid for this project if I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm not sure I can make it happen do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see that microtik has a unit they say can do 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have experiance with them? Ryan On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more? -RickG On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly cheaper... PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it... but that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to find for this kind of bandwidth. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear is preferred as this is a low budget hop. Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this capacity? Thanks Ryan -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
AN80 would peak at about 70 mbps hdx..?? Have you seen more out of it? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed I'd use redline an80 On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net wrote: You might look into the Radwin RW-2000 ... speeds and price may be in the range ... 5.x GHz - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The Mikrotik solution can be done... but you will need a lot of clean spectrum to make it happen. At only a mile, you could use an RB433AH with a couple SR5 cards on each side. There is even an integrated antenna that will hold all of this, and provide vertical and horizontal antennas in the same enclosure ( http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-1 9DP-58-R2 ) 2 x RB433AH 4 x SR5 cards 2 x dual pol antenna enclosures with pigtails I would estimate total cost of parts to be less than $800. A couple hours to build, test and configure and you should be good to go. The only real challenge will be finding two open 40mhz wide channels. However, I would think that could be done in the 5.3ghz and 5.4ghz bands without a problem. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED 40 to 50 meg full duplex. and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I get the bid for this project if I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm not sure I can make it happen do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see that microtik has a unit they say can do 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have experiance with them? Ryan On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more? -RickG On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly cheaper... PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it... but that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to find for this kind of bandwidth. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear is preferred as this is a low budget hop. Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this capacity? Thanks Ryan -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
I thought that one wouldn't have enough horse power to push the 200 to 300 megs aggregate that we expect to see. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul BTW, we can do 12/24 volt DC with the R1 that we were discussing. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul I'll tell you what my perfect tower site router would be for this. PC based, runs on 12vdc (so we can run everything from car batteries) and has gigE ethernet ports by the gross. Then we can route or bridge as needed based on the requirements of the distribution radio that's plugged into it. Lots of processor and memory power this way too! Maybe based on a Dell server Am I dreaming? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul RB493 limits ports to 100 fdx, If he is going licensed, theradios might be upgraded in the future to higher speeds... I would go RB1000 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Mikrotik makes pretty good gear. Depending on traffic, I'd put an RB493AH in there. Should be able to do anything you needed to do without great concern for the weather. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Right. I get that part. But I've never used it out here so I don't know if it's a routing function or a bridging function like spanning tree. I'm trying to figure out what hardware would be best deployed at the tower sites. Part of what I'm trying to do is get a grip on long term costs. If I have to run sensitive routers vs. hardened switches it'll make a difference. Adding heat and AC to the towers changes the annual costs quite a bit. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul OSPF is how you manage load sharing and load balancing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Certainly Jack. I don't know anyone that's built something like this already though. And, it's really not that far off from what we already do. It's just bigger and faster. I've not used the hardware needed for this system so I'm mostly interested in what people would install. I know there are a few people here that have very high speed backbone systems in place. The one part that's got me stumped so far is what to do to create a load sharing load balancing mechanism at the main towers. Should that be done via high end switch or router? If you know someone that would be good help in putting this idea together please feel free to have them contact me. Please note, that nothing will be able to happen at a nut and bolt specific level until construction starts. The program is customer and land acquisition specific, not build it THIS way specific. Did I say that at all clearly? Does it make sense? That is part of why I've not even looked for help yet, there are far more questions than plans in place. Things are still at a conceptual stage, but I'm trying to drill down a bit better. Thanks! marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Marlon, Trying to design a complex system like this via a listserve committee is more than a little bit risky. Have you considered going to someone who actually has this type of network design experience and paying them to do the whole job right the first time? Just asking. jack Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I don't know if I'll be able to
Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
Got it. Do you know where to go after those grants that the county can get? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 I can only quote the MotoMesh Duo today... MotoMesh Solo though is probably more along the lines of what you want... either way your not going to like the price if your trying to do it on the cheap. The sell to a city or county though should work though with more expensive gear because they can get grants, etc. for public safety. 4.9GHz to the car though is going to be hard to do without a Mesh system... and Mesh is costly. I'd hate to be the one to sell a homebrew 4.9GHz system to a government agency and have it not perform as advertised. You also need to be careful... 4.9GHz is part 90 not part-15 so FCC compliance should be high on your list. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Hmmm, can you price a system like this out? I'll need per tower and per node prices. Out here we'll probably be better off with a less expensive homebrew system due to long term costs though marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 That's what the MotoMesh gear is for... the MEA architecture (developed for the military to connector tanks with helicopters) allows the cop car to be traveling at 150MPH and for it to still work. Plus to modems you install in the cars can mesh with the ones in other cars... so if one car can connect to the network but another car 1/4 mile down the road can't... it can mesh through another car to work. I don't think a municipality/county is going to like deploying a homebrew solution for something like this... Moto already has the complete turnkey package available (not that any of it is cheap!) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Got it. Thanks! Any hardware suggestions to deal with the ssid/vlan or the mobile ip? The only reason mobility is important to me is that I envision a pursuit or code 3 call. The dispatcher could then take control of the car's laptop and push the call info, map/gps data etc. to the car. They could also use an ip enabled dash cam to keep an eye on what's happening at the call. This would allow much faster response times if something were to happen to the officer on scene. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Might look at Solectek, they have both 3.65 and 4.9 multipoint solutions. However, why not wait to see what happens with TVWS. Seems that band would be outstanding for mobile use. Since it's your network, you could assign each agency it's own SSID/VLAN which route across your network to the appropriate agency's servers. This way the IP's are not changing as they move from tower to tower - the only delay would be when the subscriber switches towers. Alternately MobileIP allows seamless roaming across multiple networks. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 OK, last one. What would you guys use for 3650 gear. I need to deliver very high speeds to lots of users with near 100% reliability. Money matters, but it's not the driving force here. Also, I'm looking for a mobile 4.9 system. We'll have to roam across multiple towers that have multiple ip ranges on them. The idea is not only to keep voip calls running while this happens, but also to always be able to remotely access the mobile pc's. Is there a system that will facilitate this idea (talking mobile broadband access across my 6000 square mile network). Do I have to create something from scratch? thanks! marlon -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
Depends on what agency in the county want the grants, and what state. There is SCADS of money for Fire Departments and 4.9 gear. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Got it. Do you know where to go after those grants that the county can get? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 I can only quote the MotoMesh Duo today... MotoMesh Solo though is probably more along the lines of what you want... either way your not going to like the price if your trying to do it on the cheap. The sell to a city or county though should work though with more expensive gear because they can get grants, etc. for public safety. 4.9GHz to the car though is going to be hard to do without a Mesh system... and Mesh is costly. I'd hate to be the one to sell a homebrew 4.9GHz system to a government agency and have it not perform as advertised. You also need to be careful... 4.9GHz is part 90 not part-15 so FCC compliance should be high on your list. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Hmmm, can you price a system like this out? I'll need per tower and per node prices. Out here we'll probably be better off with a less expensive homebrew system due to long term costs though marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 That's what the MotoMesh gear is for... the MEA architecture (developed for the military to connector tanks with helicopters) allows the cop car to be traveling at 150MPH and for it to still work. Plus to modems you install in the cars can mesh with the ones in other cars... so if one car can connect to the network but another car 1/4 mile down the road can't... it can mesh through another car to work. I don't think a municipality/county is going to like deploying a homebrew solution for something like this... Moto already has the complete turnkey package available (not that any of it is cheap!) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Got it. Thanks! Any hardware suggestions to deal with the ssid/vlan or the mobile ip? The only reason mobility is important to me is that I envision a pursuit or code 3 call. The dispatcher could then take control of the car's laptop and push the call info, map/gps data etc. to the car. They could also use an ip enabled dash cam to keep an eye on what's happening at the call. This would allow much faster response times if something were to happen to the officer on scene. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Might look at Solectek, they have both 3.65 and 4.9 multipoint solutions. However, why not wait to see what happens with TVWS. Seems that band would be outstanding for mobile use. Since it's your network, you could assign each agency it's own SSID/VLAN which route across your network to the appropriate agency's servers. This way the IP's are not changing as they move from tower to tower - the only delay would be when the subscriber switches towers. Alternately MobileIP allows seamless roaming across multiple networks. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 OK, last one. What would you guys use for 3650 gear. I need to deliver very high speeds to lots of users with near 100% reliability. Money matters, but it's not the driving force here. Also, I'm looking for a mobile 4.9 system. We'll have to roam across multiple towers that have multiple ip ranges on them. The idea is not only to keep voip calls running while this happens, but also to always be able to remotely access the mobile pc's. Is there a system
Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
It will only do 50 FDX, not 100 FDX. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:35 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed You might look into the Radwin RW-2000 ... speeds and price may be in the range ... 5.x GHz - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The Mikrotik solution can be done... but you will need a lot of clean spectrum to make it happen. At only a mile, you could use an RB433AH with a couple SR5 cards on each side. There is even an integrated antenna that will hold all of this, and provide vertical and horizontal antennas in the same enclosure (http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-19DP-58-R2) 2 x RB433AH 4 x SR5 cards 2 x dual pol antenna enclosures with pigtails I would estimate total cost of parts to be less than $800. A couple hours to build, test and configure and you should be good to go. The only real challenge will be finding two open 40mhz wide channels. However, I would think that could be done in the 5.3ghz and 5.4ghz bands without a problem. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED 40 to 50 meg full duplex. and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I get the bid for this project if I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm not sure I can make it happen do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see that microtik has a unit they say can do 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have experiance with them? Ryan On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more? -RickG On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly cheaper... PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it... but that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to find for this kind of bandwidth. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear is preferred as this is a low budget hop. Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this capacity? Thanks Ryan -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
[WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers
I have a local non-profit that has a PILE of 1710 and 1750 routers that they want to sell. A couple of 3600 series routers, and E to M cards. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FW: AGENDA FOR MARCH 10
Dear Tom I have just joined the legislative list so apologies if this has already been sent out but would you please post the existing position paper WISPA already sent to the legislators? Thank you. ~ Denise Hamilton Rapid Systems 813-232-4887 x 101 Fax 813-236-0014 den...@rapidsys.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 Marlon, I feel for the point, that you are trying to make. Nobody wants to sit idle. But the reality is that we don;t control the shots, nor do we authorize the appointments. We can just request them. Secondly, If we had 5-10 people sitting around a desk in one place, for a day, I agree we'd effectively and quickly get alot written as a group. But we do not have the luxur to work in that environment, and still include our diverse national membership's interests. That challenges group writting. But we do have what I feel is a good first step with a group position, and its what we submitted to legislators last month, and included consensus from all members of the committee. I can assure you two things 1. Our face-to-face meeting requests are submitted, and we should get our meeting request granted shortly after the public meeting on the 10th. 2. WISPA legislative committee and/or council will submit questions to agencies prior to the public meeting on the 10th, if there are questions to be asked. Policy makers will not accept being dictated to, how to run their programs. Thats already been discussed here as a committee. The ideal situation is to be asked for our opinion. That happened by GAO :-) The reality is that we've requested our meeting, and we'll get our chance to suggest recommendation, soon. Steve Smith hit on a core point, that as individuals, we DO want to use our personal contacts and avenues to get input to the policy makers. It opimizes the chance that we'll get input heard. What we also want, are clear messages that support each other, instead of contradict each other. Committee, I have a plan. The plan is we follow the proceedure asked by policy makers. We show up for the group public meeting the 10th and learn. We should have 4 WISPA members going, that I know of. Ready to ask question or make statements, IF the policy makers allows time for it. And immediately after I will work with Steve Coran, to formulate our strategy for moving forward, and discuss the core items that we'll want to focus on in our new position papers, and share that proposed agenda with committee members, for their input and consensus. That is what I believe is required to effectively make headway with policy makers. Marlon, I agree that that plan, leaves members somewhat idle, in the week interim. There is no reason for you or anyone to sit idle, that wants to contribute time today. I have the following suggestions for ANYONE that wants to get to work today. 1) Take WISPA's existing position paper sent to legislators, and expand on it. Write down anything new that you feel should be added to that paper, that is not included, and needs to. (I already have a few items in mind, based on committee's past input, but do not have it on paper). 2) Make an outline of what you feel are topics/possitions that we should submit to RUS versus NTIA. We will likely have different goals for each target Grantor. 3) Submit any questions that you may have to ask policy makers, based on what we currently know, and submit them to Steve Coran for review. (I recommend CCing the legislative list, when sending to Steve). This will prevent duplications, and allow us to include all questions, that are not in conflict, with WISPA's submitted questions. However, we need questions, if we are going to submit them. Policy makers asked for questions in advance. If you have questions, I highly recommend that you write them ASAP, so there is time for Steve to review and send to NTIA/RUS prior to the public meeting. It will be pointless to send them, if they are not asked soon. I'd recommend that we should send these questions no later than Friday, to give policy makers time to review before public meeting. And I'd recommend they get sent to Steve today and tommorrow, to give him chance to review them. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Steve Smith st...@chase3000.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Cc: grantscommit...@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 I suspect that Tom is correct in that very few questions will get to be asked at the March 10 meeting. Looking at the agenda it will be mostly speeches by representatives from the various agencies. Since they have the money, I also suspect that they will be the ones telling us how it works rather
Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
Yes, that's the plan. More of a mesh backhaul vs. hub and spoke or ring. We want a web with multiple paths from one side of the project to the other. marlon - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Are any of the towers setup such that you could cross the circle? In other words, if you had towers 1 to 20 in a ring, have a secondary link between towers 4 and 16 for instance. This would require routing, and preferably dynamic routing, but then you would have some redundancy. John Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I don't know if I'll be able to put some many antennas on the towers. How close together would I need the towers to prevent the rain fade outage at 18 gig? Aren't there any 5.8 systems that will do this reliably in the first place? I shouldn't need 5.x for distribution so I could use it all for backhaul. I'll have 2.4, 3.65, 4.9 and hopefully, someday, TVBD for the consumers. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul The 5.8 GHz backup links will help you deal with outages due to environmental conditions such as rain fade. That has to be factored in for links when you operate above 10 GHz. Even if you run a loop configuration you could have a fade condition that could block out a whole tower site severing your links to that location in both directions of your loop. Another path at a lower frequency with spatial diversity from your primary link (different mounting heights) would at least keep that site up though maybe not at full speed. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome. Pall park numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high vs. low, I'd rather over estimate the costs. thanks, marlon - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
for n male to n male, we build our own. Mark Nash wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
I get mine from here - my favorite is their ultraflex RG8 type cable because it doesn't put as much pressure on the connectors and is easy to work with like smaller diameter cables from the past. Cost a couple dollars more but is worth it. www.rfdistributor.com They also carry lots of commercial equipment (antennas/standoffs/tower sections/high performance dishes and omnis etc) that most people don't have... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers for n male to n male, we build our own. Mark Nash wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Enjoyed the story Joe. Definitely made me laugh. Being 44 now, I get it to. Not so long ago I'd think nothing of jumping off a 1 story roof. Now I give a second thought to jumping down 3 stairs... You know age is catching up when you have your chiropractor in your mobile phone favorites list! Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:10 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
I'm just glad that only your foot went through the ceiling! As an FYI, if we do any damage to a house we send out the repair people. The customer still gets billed for our install, but we take care of fixing the damage that was done. My best one like this was when I removed a sat. dish and mounting arm. I put up my arm but the screw holes were off by half an inch or so. When I ran my 1 1/2 lag screw into the side of the house it hit an electrical run. No the run shouldn't have been that close to the siding, but there it was sigh $750 or so later all was good. The electrician had to pull the siding off the house, go into the attic where he installed a new box that fed a new wire all the way down to the outlet in the wall. ug marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
It doesn't. You would use the Rebel in those locations. The R1 is for the lower traffic sites. Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul I thought that one wouldn't have enough horse power to push the 200 to 300 megs aggregate that we expect to see. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul BTW, we can do 12/24 volt DC with the R1 that we were discussing. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul I'll tell you what my perfect tower site router would be for this. PC based, runs on 12vdc (so we can run everything from car batteries) and has gigE ethernet ports by the gross. Then we can route or bridge as needed based on the requirements of the distribution radio that's plugged into it. Lots of processor and memory power this way too! Maybe based on a Dell server Am I dreaming? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul RB493 limits ports to 100 fdx, If he is going licensed, theradios might be upgraded in the future to higher speeds... I would go RB1000 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Mikrotik makes pretty good gear. Depending on traffic, I'd put an RB493AH in there. Should be able to do anything you needed to do without great concern for the weather. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Right. I get that part. But I've never used it out here so I don't know if it's a routing function or a bridging function like spanning tree. I'm trying to figure out what hardware would be best deployed at the tower sites. Part of what I'm trying to do is get a grip on long term costs. If I have to run sensitive routers vs. hardened switches it'll make a difference. Adding heat and AC to the towers changes the annual costs quite a bit. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul OSPF is how you manage load sharing and load balancing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Certainly Jack. I don't know anyone that's built something like this already though. And, it's really not that far off from what we already do. It's just bigger and faster. I've not used the hardware needed for this system so I'm mostly interested in what people would install. I know there are a few people here that have very high speed backbone systems in place. The one part that's got me stumped so far is what to do to create a load sharing load balancing mechanism at the main towers. Should that be done via high end switch or router? If you know someone that would be good help in putting this idea together please feel free to have them contact me. Please note, that nothing will be able to happen at a nut and bolt specific level until construction starts. The program is customer and land acquisition specific, not build it THIS way specific. Did I say that at all clearly? Does it make sense? That is part of why I've not even looked for help yet, there are far more questions than plans in place. Things are still at a conceptual stage, but I'm trying to drill down a bit better. Thanks! marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
RG8 is an inferior cable to LMR400. RG8 has much less shielding and more loss than LMR400. I would never recommend RG8 in place of LMR400. I've always preferred making my own LMR terminations. We use the Times Clamp/Solder type for LMR400 and Clamp/Spring type for LMR600 and larger. We were in a jam a few months ago and had to order in a few pre-made LMR400 jumpers from Titan Wireless. They arrived in one day (same state shipping) and I was very pleased to see Titan also used the Times Clamp/Solder connector. IMO, the Times Clamp/Solder connector is by far the best LMR400 termination and Titan Wireless keeps stocks them. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I get mine from here - my favorite is their ultraflex RG8 type cable because it doesn't put as much pressure on the connectors and is easy to work with like smaller diameter cables from the past. Cost a couple dollars more but is worth it. www.rfdistributor.com They also carry lots of commercial equipment (antennas/standoffs/tower sections/high performance dishes and omnis etc) that most people don't have... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers for n male to n male, we build our own. Mark Nash wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
Sorryjust noticed the original post was in regards to LMR195 and not LMR400. RG8 may very well be a better cable than LMR195...never used it. My guess is the LMR195 would still offer better shielding than RG8, but possibly more loss. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:39 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers RG8 is an inferior cable to LMR400. RG8 has much less shielding and more loss than LMR400. I would never recommend RG8 in place of LMR400. I've always preferred making my own LMR terminations. We use the Times Clamp/Solder type for LMR400 and Clamp/Spring type for LMR600 and larger. We were in a jam a few months ago and had to order in a few pre-made LMR400 jumpers from Titan Wireless. They arrived in one day (same state shipping) and I was very pleased to see Titan also used the Times Clamp/Solder connector. IMO, the Times Clamp/Solder connector is by far the best LMR400 termination and Titan Wireless keeps stocks them. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I get mine from here - my favorite is their ultraflex RG8 type cable because it doesn't put as much pressure on the connectors and is easy to work with like smaller diameter cables from the past. Cost a couple dollars more but is worth it. www.rfdistributor.com They also carry lots of commercial equipment (antennas/standoffs/tower sections/high performance dishes and omnis etc) that most people don't have... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers for n male to n male, we build our own. Mark Nash wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
What wrong with you kids? I am 75 and still doing installs. Just have to be careful. Same thing when you 20. NGL -- From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 AM To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Enjoyed the story Joe. Definitely made me laugh. Being 44 now, I get it to. Not so long ago I'd think nothing of jumping off a 1 story roof. Now I give a second thought to jumping down 3 stairs... You know age is catching up when you have your chiropractor in your mobile phone favorites list! Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:10 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Us kids are sore from falling,...lol --- On Thu, 3/5/09, NGL n...@ngl.net wrote: From: NGL n...@ngl.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 10:48 AM What wrong with you kids? I am 75 and still doing installs. Just have to be careful. Same thing when you 20. NGL -- From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 AM To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Enjoyed the story Joe. Definitely made me laugh. Being 44 now, I get it to. Not so long ago I'd think nothing of jumping off a 1 story roof. Now I give a second thought to jumping down 3 stairs... You know age is catching up when you have your chiropractor in your mobile phone favorites list! Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:10 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
You must be grandfathered from that law of gravity thing they just came up with!... must not affect you! :) har har ryan NGL wrote: What wrong with you kids? I am 75 and still doing installs. Just have to be careful. Same thing when you 20. NGL -- From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 AM To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Enjoyed the story Joe. Definitely made me laugh. Being 44 now, I get it to. Not so long ago I'd think nothing of jumping off a 1 story roof. Now I give a second thought to jumping down 3 stairs... You know age is catching up when you have your chiropractor in your mobile phone favorites list! Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:10 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The good college try
I can identify with both of you. I do it all but it becomes overwhelming at times! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:14 AM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Forbes, I'm not far away from you, and if you ever need network type help, feel free to holler. I love the technical stuff. Don't much care for the paperwork or installs in the rain, or climbing ladders, or climbing into the bucket on the truck... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] The good college try The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost my system admin in the last budget cut. He helps from his new job but the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most technically inclined as I should be. Obviously I have more knowledge than the average bear but reading code, design specs or engineering can sometimes be a bit much, that's why I have the savings from a full time admin to hire people who can guide me. My feeling is Marlon is pretty much in the same boat. While some in WISPA have thousands of customers in more urban/suburban environments we are all rural. Speaking only for myself I'm frequently in over my head, that's why I belong to this group, I'm a much better businessman than tech but I learn easily when I have interest in a topic. We try not to look dumb when we ask for help and try to compensate for the help with volunteering for projects, paying for consulting or just a big thanks. Some on here may think non-geeks don't belong but we're all in this for the same reason, I personally left the Fire Service to learn and build this business, Maybe I can't engineer a backhaul but I can sure do CPR if you need it, done it over 200 times. Just show a little patience and if you don't want to educate the ignorant that's your right but we sure appreciate it when you can help and I for one promise to not ask for too much at once or act like our lovely customers who can't find the start button. Thanks for what you do help, I appreciate it! Forbes From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Marlon, Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they are doing. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome. Pall park numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high vs. low, I'd rather over estimate the costs. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)
And they are useless when the water tank is painted. The extra paint thickness causes the dimensions to change and the brake no longer slides on the pipe. -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Mark, I am a little late on this reply, got backed up on list emailsanyways. http://www.farwestcorrosion.com/ccpcoatings/north01.htm They are called Saf-T-Climb. That is the type that are on the tanks we have equipment on. HTH, Scottie -Original Message- From: Mark McElvy [mailto:mmce...@accubak.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:30 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident) I have the pipe type on one of my water towers, where do you get and what do you call the device to connect to it? Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident) They use that type safety(pipe with notches) on most water tanks in my area. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Chuck McCown - 3 ch...@beehive.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:01:50 -0700 No but you could fall down and get so tangled up the rescue would be difficult. I have climbed caged ladders that had a pipe up the center of the ladder with small ratchet notches in it. The arrester device was a pipe looking thing that would slide up the safety pipe/rail. It had a spring loaded dog that would engage the notches if you fell. I thought it was a pretty good system. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident) That's what the safety cage is for. if you fall basically you should only be leaning back on the cage. You technically shouldn't be able to fall with a safety cage. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident) What happens when you fall? Brian John Valenti wrote: Brian, Why would you want to add a safety cable to the cage? I'm on several legs with the cages and they seem great. I usually just lean back to take a break while climbing. It seems like an unnecessary bother, and something else to get in the way while climbing the ladder. Just curious what your thinking is, maybe I'm missing something. -John On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:20 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on. There is already one on the leg that has no cage. Then we could clip on a go, with either a belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that is a little heavy). Anyone run these cable before? What is needed? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Took tommy with me to finish up harrisonmn fisheries. Sent from my Windows Mobile® phone. -Original Message- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:08 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
Ryan, The new RAD RW2000 will do that... hit me offlist for a quote Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED 40 to 50 meg full duplex. and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I get the bid for this project if I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm not sure I can make it happen do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see that microtik has a unit they say can do 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have experiance with them? Ryan On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more? -RickG On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly cheaper... PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it... but that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to find for this kind of bandwidth. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear is preferred as this is a low budget hop. Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this capacity? Thanks Ryan - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
The RadWin radio will do it in one 20MHz channel (one V-pol and one H-pol).. Plus it's a full solution. no build it yourself. But you can't beat the price of Mikrotik Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The Mikrotik solution can be done... but you will need a lot of clean spectrum to make it happen. At only a mile, you could use an RB433AH with a couple SR5 cards on each side. There is even an integrated antenna that will hold all of this, and provide vertical and horizontal antennas in the same enclosure (http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-19DP-5 8-R2) 2 x RB433AH 4 x SR5 cards 2 x dual pol antenna enclosures with pigtails I would estimate total cost of parts to be less than $800. A couple hours to build, test and configure and you should be good to go. The only real challenge will be finding two open 40mhz wide channels. However, I would think that could be done in the 5.3ghz and 5.4ghz bands without a problem. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED 40 to 50 meg full duplex. and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I get the bid for this project if I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm not sure I can make it happen do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see that microtik has a unit they say can do 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have experiance with them? Ryan On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more? -RickG On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks mailto:wi...@3-db.net wi...@3-db.net wrote: An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly cheaper... PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it... but that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to find for this kind of bandwidth. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear is preferred as this is a low budget hop. Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this capacity? Thanks Ryan -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
Very true... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Yes, but the system doesn't have to fail before the WISP who supplies the homebrew 4.9 system gets blown out of the water. All one person would have to do is point out to the City that the equipment that they have been sold is uncertified and illegal to use per FCC rules. What Police Department IT guy (or Police Chief) is going to accept that and put his own career on the line just because some WISP didn't tell him the truth about the equipment that they sold the Police Department? 3-dB Networks wrote: I'd just hate to be the guy deploying a 4.9GHz homebrew system that the police/fire come to depend on and have it fail on me and someone die because of it. Systems like these should cost a lot of money to be built very well. The FCC would really be the last person I would be concerned about. it's the wrath of the city when a mission critical system like this fails. I've heard a lot of stories from Motorola two-way guys how they could go into meetings and cities would buy their two-way gear and pay the extra price because no one wants to take chances with people's lives. Help the city find the grant money to purchase a system like Moto's. and your going to be the hero big time. Take it one step farther and do a Motomesh Quatro deployment. have grant money pay for the gear. and use the 2.4GHz Wi- Fi coverage you now have to sell service. Since the gear is paid for your ROI is in a much better situation than the average muni-wifi project. Or take it one step further and get the water department to use it for meter reading, etc. At the end of the day money isn't an issue really for something like this. its just about getting the right people together and FINDING the money for it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Good point Daniel. Anyone doing 4.9 GHz homebrew would likely lose their business when the FCC came knocking along with the Police Department that was sold the illegal system by the WISP. OUCH!! 3-dB Networks wrote: I can only quote the MotoMesh Duo today... MotoMesh Solo though is probably more along the lines of what you want... either way your not going to like the price if your trying to do it on the cheap. The sell to a city or county though should work though with more expensive gear because they can get grants, etc. for public safety. 4.9GHz to the car though is going to be hard to do without a Mesh system... and Mesh is costly. I'd hate to be the one to sell a homebrew 4.9GHz system to a government agency and have it not perform as advertised. You also need to be careful... 4.9GHz is part 90 not part-15 so FCC compliance should be high on your list. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Hmmm, can you price a system like this out? I'll need per tower and per node prices. Out here we'll probably be better off with a less expensive homebrew system due to long term costs though marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks mailto:wi...@3-db.net wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 That's what the MotoMesh gear is for... the MEA architecture (developed for the military to connector tanks with helicopters) allows the cop car to be traveling at 150MPH and for it to still work. Plus to modems you install in the cars can mesh with the ones in other cars... so if one car can connect to the network but another car 1/4 mile down the road can't... it can mesh through another car to work. I don't think a municipality/county is going to like deploying a homebrew solution for something like this... Moto already has the complete turnkey package available (not that any of it is cheap!) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Got it. Thanks! Any hardware suggestions to deal with the ssid/vlan or the mobile ip? The only reason mobility is
[WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
Sure, Mikrotik for under $1,000. How much more does a pre-built solution have to cost anyways? -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:50 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: The RadWin radio will do it in one 20MHz channel (one V-pol and one H-pol).. Plus it's a full solution. no build it yourself. But you can't beat the price of Mikrotik Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The Mikrotik solution can be done... but you will need a lot of clean spectrum to make it happen. At only a mile, you could use an RB433AH with a couple SR5 cards on each side. There is even an integrated antenna that will hold all of this, and provide vertical and horizontal antennas in the same enclosure ( http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-19DP-5 8-R2http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-19DP-5%0A8-R2 ) 2 x RB433AH 4 x SR5 cards 2 x dual pol antenna enclosures with pigtails I would estimate total cost of parts to be less than $800. A couple hours to build, test and configure and you should be good to go. The only real challenge will be finding two open 40mhz wide channels. However, I would think that could be done in the 5.3ghz and 5.4ghz bands without a problem. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED 40 to 50 meg full duplex. and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I get the bid for this project if I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm not sure I can make it happen do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see that microtik has a unit they say can do 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have experiance with them? Ryan On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more? -RickG On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks mailto:wi...@3-db.net wi...@3-db.net wrote: An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly cheaper... PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it... but that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to find for this kind of bandwidth. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear is preferred as this is a low budget hop. Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this capacity? Thanks Ryan -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
I'd have to do research... I've never gone looking for them before. Many guys within Motorola can help though... hit me offlist and I can provide some contacts Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Got it. Do you know where to go after those grants that the county can get? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 I can only quote the MotoMesh Duo today... MotoMesh Solo though is probably more along the lines of what you want... either way your not going to like the price if your trying to do it on the cheap. The sell to a city or county though should work though with more expensive gear because they can get grants, etc. for public safety. 4.9GHz to the car though is going to be hard to do without a Mesh system... and Mesh is costly. I'd hate to be the one to sell a homebrew 4.9GHz system to a government agency and have it not perform as advertised. You also need to be careful... 4.9GHz is part 90 not part-15 so FCC compliance should be high on your list. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Hmmm, can you price a system like this out? I'll need per tower and per node prices. Out here we'll probably be better off with a less expensive homebrew system due to long term costs though marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 That's what the MotoMesh gear is for... the MEA architecture (developed for the military to connector tanks with helicopters) allows the cop car to be traveling at 150MPH and for it to still work. Plus to modems you install in the cars can mesh with the ones in other cars... so if one car can connect to the network but another car 1/4 mile down the road can't... it can mesh through another car to work. I don't think a municipality/county is going to like deploying a homebrew solution for something like this... Moto already has the complete turnkey package available (not that any of it is cheap!) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Got it. Thanks! Any hardware suggestions to deal with the ssid/vlan or the mobile ip? The only reason mobility is important to me is that I envision a pursuit or code 3 call. The dispatcher could then take control of the car's laptop and push the call info, map/gps data etc. to the car. They could also use an ip enabled dash cam to keep an eye on what's happening at the call. This would allow much faster response times if something were to happen to the officer on scene. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 Might look at Solectek, they have both 3.65 and 4.9 multipoint solutions. However, why not wait to see what happens with TVWS. Seems that band would be outstanding for mobile use. Since it's your network, you could assign each agency it's own SSID/VLAN which route across your network to the appropriate agency's servers. This way the IP's are not changing as they move from tower to tower - the only delay would be when the subscriber switches towers. Alternately MobileIP allows seamless roaming across multiple networks. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9 OK, last one. What would you guys use for 3650 gear. I need to deliver very high speeds to lots of users with near 100% reliability. Money matters, but it's not the driving force here. Also, I'm looking for a mobile 4.9 system. We'll have to roam across multiple towers that have multiple ip ranges on them. The idea is not only to keep voip calls running while this happens, but also to always be able to remotely access the mobile pc's. Is there a system that will facilitate
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Sorry, damn windows mobile. Sent from my Windows Mobile® phone. -Original Message- From: Brent A Havens bhav...@marktwain.coop Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:47 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Took tommy with me to finish up harrisonmn fisheries. Sent from my Windows Mobile® phone. -Original Message- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:08 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
It was an existing plate on the wall and I didn't have any on my truck at the time. I have them now. --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 11:08 AM Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
My understanding is the Vinyl tape is more solar resistant than the black rubber... ryan Mark Nash wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal. To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just POE everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with radios build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio. The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user side? -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
I would definitely seal a Ubiquiti Bullet if I put one outside, regardless of they their marketing says. Too many times, I have seen marketing departments show radios on a mast with blue indoor cat5 coming out, shiny unsealed coax connections, 80f, dry and sunny, etc... They have good potential for CPE once approved for larger directional antennas. Their capabilities are lacking compared to Mikrotik, et.al. for AP use. No noise floor adjustment, no nstreme, no virtual APs, no power less than 10-11dbm, no means of automated config backup, no interface for adding and saving static routes, no calea tools, etc... On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 01:57:33PM -0500, RickG wrote: I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal. To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just POE everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with radios build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio. The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user side? -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
Thanks. Sounds like coax-seal electrical tape is a good solution. Anyone have other solutions? We used to use butyl but that stuff's nasty. We're going to this tower tomorrow because it looks like that's the only break in the weather. I just ordered a few boxes of coax-seal for overnight delivery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal. To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just POE everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with radios build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio. The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user side? -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax ConnectorsWAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
Try the new silicone tape from Times Microwave. Works real nice and comes right off with a razor knife Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:23:14 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Thanks. Sounds like coax-seal electrical tape is a good solution. Anyone have other solutions? We used to use butyl but that stuff's nasty. We're going to this tower tomorrow because it looks like that's the only break in the weather. I just ordered a few boxes of coax-seal for overnight delivery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal. To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just POE everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with radios build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio. The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user side? -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax ConnectorsWAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
We used to use stuff that looks very similar to that (though definitely not exactly the same) when we used Tranzeo stuff - did not work well, I give it a D on weather proofing but an A on applying/removing. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Try the new silicone tape from Times Microwave. Works real nice and comes right off with a razor knife Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:23:14 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Thanks. Sounds like coax-seal electrical tape is a good solution. Anyone have other solutions? We used to use butyl but that stuff's nasty. We're going to this tower tomorrow because it looks like that's the only break in the weather. I just ordered a few boxes of coax-seal for overnight delivery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal. To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just POE everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with radios build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio. The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user side? -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's
Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
Won't it only do 50 meg FDX? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed Ryan, The new RAD RW2000 will do that... hit me offlist for a quote Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED 40 to 50 meg full duplex. and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I get the bid for this project if I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm not sure I can make it happen do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see that microtik has a unit they say can do 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have experiance with them? Ryan On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more? -RickG On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly cheaper... PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it... but that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to find for this kind of bandwidth. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear is preferred as this is a low budget hop. Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this capacity? Thanks Ryan - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
Right... but the customer changed the specification to 50Mb FDX on him... so now it works :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed Won't it only do 50 meg FDX? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed Ryan, The new RAD RW2000 will do that... hit me offlist for a quote Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED 40 to 50 meg full duplex. and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I get the bid for this project if I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm not sure I can make it happen do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see that microtik has a unit they say can do 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have experiance with them? Ryan On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more? -RickG On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly cheaper... PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it... but that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to find for this kind of bandwidth. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear is preferred as this is a low budget hop. Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this capacity? Thanks Ryan --- -- - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- -- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - -- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --
Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
oh, okay, then yes, it'll work. ;-) Anything faster than this radio and your best bet is a Trango or Dragonwave licensed product, correct? (I don't care about which is better, Trango or DragonWave.) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed Right... but the customer changed the specification to 50Mb FDX on him... so now it works :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed Won't it only do 50 meg FDX? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed Ryan, The new RAD RW2000 will do that... hit me offlist for a quote Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED 40 to 50 meg full duplex. and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I get the bid for this project if I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm not sure I can make it happen do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see that microtik has a unit they say can do 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have experiance with them? Ryan On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more? -RickG On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly cheaper... PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it... but that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to find for this kind of bandwidth. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear is preferred as this is a low budget hop. Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this capacity? Thanks Ryan --- -- - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- -- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - -- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
Yes... any licensed solution is the next step (well the PtP 500 Full would be cheaper than the licensed stuff too... and it is a much better radio from an RF standpoint I think) A PtP 600 will do it... but it costs more than the Dragonwave/Trango/Cablefree/Nera links out there. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed oh, okay, then yes, it'll work. ;-) Anything faster than this radio and your best bet is a Trango or Dragonwave licensed product, correct? (I don't care about which is better, Trango or DragonWave.) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed Right... but the customer changed the specification to 50Mb FDX on him... so now it works :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed Won't it only do 50 meg FDX? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed Ryan, The new RAD RW2000 will do that... hit me offlist for a quote Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED 40 to 50 meg full duplex. and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I get the bid for this project if I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm not sure I can make it happen do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see that microtik has a unit they say can do 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have experiance with them? Ryan On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more? -RickG On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly cheaper... PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it... but that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to find for this kind of bandwidth. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear is preferred as this is a low budget hop. Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this capacity? Thanks Ryan - -- -- - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - -- -- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- -- -- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- -- -- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] Job in Memphis
Anyone in the Memphis area?? Had someone call us today about a property in Memphis that already has wireless gear(Meru) in and is wanting someone local to manage/maintain it for them. Hit me off list if interested. http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3342759998E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=336092E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_joini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
A good final coating over the tape (be it pure rubber or vinyl) is 3M's Scotchkote http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MElectrical/Home/ProductsServices/Products/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20OES1_nid=6Q3BGBPJ7CbeFR7R0D83TCgl We used that on seagoing ships for outdoor connections that see salt water, rain, high winds, freezing rain, etc. Greg On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:27 PM, RickG wrote: I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal. To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just POE everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with radios build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio. The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user side? -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2- week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)
That's good toknow. I do not use it anyways. We do not have the slide for it, but the water guys do. I use two or three lanyards and the ladder rungs to climb them. Its much slower climb, but I get there eventually. Scottie -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident) And they are useless when the water tank is painted. The extra paint thickness causes the dimensions to change and the brake no longer slides on the pipe. -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Mark, I am a little late on this reply, got backed up on list emailsanyways. http://www.farwestcorrosion.com/ccpcoatings/north01.htm They are called Saf-T-Climb. That is the type that are on the tanks we have equipment on. HTH, Scottie -Original Message- From: Mark McElvy [mailto:mmce...@accubak.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:30 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident) I have the pipe type on one of my water towers, where do you get and what do you call the device to connect to it? Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident) They use that type safety(pipe with notches) on most water tanks in my area. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Chuck McCown - 3 ch...@beehive.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:01:50 -0700 No but you could fall down and get so tangled up the rescue would be difficult. I have climbed caged ladders that had a pipe up the center of the ladder with small ratchet notches in it. The arrester device was a pipe looking thing that would slide up the safety pipe/rail. It had a spring loaded dog that would engage the notches if you fell. I thought it was a pretty good system. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident) That's what the safety cage is for. if you fall basically you should only be leaning back on the cage. You technically shouldn't be able to fall with a safety cage. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident) What happens when you fall? Brian John Valenti wrote: Brian, Why would you want to add a safety cable to the cage? I'm on several legs with the cages and they seem great. I usually just lean back to take a break while climbing. It seems like an unnecessary bother, and something else to get in the way while climbing the ladder. Just curious what your thinking is, maybe I'm missing something. -John On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:20 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on. There is already one on the leg that has no cage. Then we could clip on a go, with either a belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that is a little heavy). Anyone run these cable before? What is needed? -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - -- - WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
First coat. Electrical tape (sticky side out) easiest to remove 2nd http://www.shop3m.com/80050049008.html?WT.mc_ev=clickthroughWT.mc_id=shop3m-AtoZ-Scotch-Vinyl-Mastic 3m mastic. It's nice and nasty but it's all I've used for 5 yrs. Only a couple leaks. (probably user error) 3rd. Another layer of electric tape. Brian os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: A good final coating over the tape (be it pure rubber or vinyl) is 3M's Scotchkote http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MElectrical/Home/ProductsServices/Products/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20OES1_nid=6Q3BGBPJ7CbeFR7R0D83TCgl We used that on seagoing ships for outdoor connections that see salt water, rain, high winds, freezing rain, etc. Greg On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:27 PM, RickG wrote: I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal. To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just POE everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with radios build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio. The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user side? -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "RickG" rgunder...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2- week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com
Re: [WISPA] The good college try
I wear that hat. "Jack of all trades, master of none" Today, I drove by rental house down the road and saw dish tv being installed. I turned around to go tell the new renter I had wireless internet in the area. (I always find sat tv subs are likely to want internet) So, I go tell him and he says how fast is your service? I say, 3-4 meg down and 1-2 meg up. He says megabytes or megabits? I stuttered for a bit and said, ya know, like a t1 is 1.5 meg, my service is twice as fast. Tell you what, I felt like a moron. After five years of "doing it all" it sure seems like I would know a bit from a byte. Oh well, at least I got the subscriber. So, like I said. Jack of all trades, master of none. Brian RickG wrote: I can identify with both of you. I do it all but it becomes overwhelming at times! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:14 AM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Forbes, I'm not far away from you, and if you ever need network type help, feel free to holler. I love the technical stuff. Don't much care for the paperwork or installs in the rain, or climbing ladders, or climbing into the bucket on the truck... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: "Forbes Mercy" forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] The good college try The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost my system admin in the last budget cut. He helps from his new job but the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most technically inclined as I should be. Obviously I have more knowledge than the average bear but reading code, design specs or engineering can sometimes be a bit much, that's why I have the savings from a full time admin to hire people who can guide me. My feeling is Marlon is pretty much in the same boat. While some in WISPA have thousands of customers in more urban/suburban environments we are all rural. Speaking only for myself I'm frequently in over my head, that's why I belong to this group, I'm a much better businessman than tech but I learn easily when I have interest in a topic. We try not to look dumb when we ask for help and try to compensate for the help with volunteering for projects, paying for consulting or just a big thanks. Some on here may think non-geeks don't belong but we're all in this for the same reason, I personally left the Fire Service to learn and build this business, Maybe I can't engineer a backhaul but I can sure do CPR if you need it, done it over 200 times. Just show a little patience and if you don't want to educate the ignorant that's your right but we sure appreciate it when you can help and I for one promise to not ask for too much at once or act like our lovely customers who can't find the start button. Thanks for what you do help, I appreciate it! Forbes From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Marlon, Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they are doing. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome. Pall park numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high vs. low, I'd rather over estimate the costs. thanks, marlon
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax ConnectorsWAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
Sticky side and it will risk sliding especially when you weather seal a connector next to a case side. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:18:11 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers
I tried to look it up but I cannot figure it out. Whats an E to M card? Blake Bowers wrote: I have a local non-profit that has a PILE of 1710 and 1750 routers that they want to sell. A couple of 3600 series routers, and E to M cards. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service calls when the phones weren't busy. This guy is pretty big - probably about 350 or so at the time and not the most nimble person in the world. He stopped by the customer's house and went to look at his router, which was up in the attic above the guys garage. Apparently, he lost his balance on the ladder and went through the drywall ceiling next to the attic access and dropped about 15 feet to the concrete floor. He was alright (miraculously) and the homeowner was actually pretty understanding about the situation. I asked the tech how it went down, and he said that when he started falling off the ladder, he just did a tuck and roll. Which made me feel a little better, because the image of him leaving a giant-sized human outline with arms and legs flailing as he went through the drywall was stuck in my head and causing me to tear up from laughing so hard. I thought it was probably like a combination of the Kool-Aid man and Sesame Street muppets going through walls. He doesn't do service calls any more. :^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Joe Miller wrote: This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Kinda like laughing in a limo in Chicago? ;-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:52:25 To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service calls when the phones weren't busy. This guy is pretty big - probably about 350 or so at the time and not the most nimble person in the world. He stopped by the customer's house and went to look at his router, which was up in the attic above the guys garage. Apparently, he lost his balance on the ladder and went through the drywall ceiling next to the attic access and dropped about 15 feet to the concrete floor. He was alright (miraculously) and the homeowner was actually pretty understanding about the situation. I asked the tech how it went down, and he said that when he started falling off the ladder, he just did a tuck and roll. Which made me feel a little better, because the image of him leaving a giant-sized human outline with arms and legs flailing as he went through the drywall was stuck in my head and causing me to tear up from laughing so hard. I thought it was probably like a combination of the Kool-Aid man and Sesame Street muppets going through walls. He doesn't do service calls any more. :^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Joe Miller wrote: This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers
An EM circuit is a transmit and receive audio pair ( ear and mouth to the old bell guys). Usually a dedicated circuit between 2 points. Put audio into the tx pair and it comes out the receive pair on the other end Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:33:51 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers I tried to look it up but I cannot figure it out. Whats an E to M card? Blake Bowers wrote: I have a local non-profit that has a PILE of 1710 and 1750 routers that they want to sell. A couple of 3600 series routers, and E to M cards. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers
That's EM, it's used to connect to analog voice stuff, in place of FXS or FXO cards. John Matt Jenkins wrote: I tried to look it up but I cannot figure it out. Whats an E to M card? Blake Bowers wrote: I have a local non-profit that has a PILE of 1710 and 1750 routers that they want to sell. A couple of 3600 series routers, and E to M cards. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Gives a new meaning to truck roll!!! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service calls when the phones weren't busy. This guy is pretty big - probably about 350 or so at the time and not the most nimble person in the world. He stopped by the customer's house and went to look at his router, which was up in the attic above the guys garage. Apparently, he lost his balance on the ladder and went through the drywall ceiling next to the attic access and dropped about 15 feet to the concrete floor. He was alright (miraculously) and the homeowner was actually pretty understanding about the situation. I asked the tech how it went down, and he said that when he started falling off the ladder, he just did a tuck and roll. Which made me feel a little better, because the image of him leaving a giant-sized human outline with arms and legs flailing as he went through the drywall was stuck in my head and causing me to tear up from laughing so hard. I thought it was probably like a combination of the Kool-Aid man and Sesame Street muppets going through walls. He doesn't do service calls any more. :^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Joe Miller wrote: This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] The good college try
Brian It's bits for transfer and bytes for file sizes. Lots of people get that mixed up. Hope that helps George Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I wear that hat. Jack of all trades, master of none Today, I drove by rental house down the road and saw dish tv being installed. I turned around to go tell the new renter I had wireless internet in the area. (I always find sat tv subs are likely to want internet) So, I go tell him and he says how fast is your service? I say, 3-4 meg down and 1-2 meg up. He says megabytes or megabits? I stuttered for a bit and said, ya know, like a t1 is 1.5 meg, my service is twice as fast. Tell you what, I felt like a moron. After five years of doing it all it sure seems like I would know a bit from a byte. Oh well, at least I got the subscriber. So, like I said. Jack of all trades, master of none. Brian RickG wrote: I can identify with both of you. I do it all but it becomes overwhelming at times! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:14 AM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Forbes, I'm not far away from you, and if you ever need network type help, feel free to holler. I love the technical stuff. Don't much care for the paperwork or installs in the rain, or climbing ladders, or climbing into the bucket on the truck... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] The good college try The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost my system admin in the last budget cut. He helps from his new job but the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most technically inclined as I should be. Obviously I have more knowledge than the average bear but reading code, design specs or engineering can sometimes be a bit much, that's why I have the savings from a full time admin to hire people who can guide me. My feeling is Marlon is pretty much in the same boat. While some in WISPA have thousands of customers in more urban/suburban environments we are all rural. Speaking only for myself I'm frequently in over my head, that's why I belong to this group, I'm a much better businessman than tech but I learn easily when I have interest in a topic. We try not to look dumb when we ask for help and try to compensate for the help with volunteering for projects, paying for consulting or just a big thanks. Some on here may think non-geeks don't belong but we're all in this for the same reason, I personally left the Fire Service to learn and build this business, Maybe I can't engineer a backhaul but I can sure do CPR if you need it, done it over 200 times. Just show a little patience and if you don't want to educate the ignorant that's your right but we sure appreciate it when you can help and I for one promise to not ask for too much at once or act like our lovely customers who can't find the start button. Thanks for what you do help, I appreciate it! Forbes From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Marlon, Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they are doing. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc.
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hiya Tom, Yeah I know where we sent it. As far as I'm concerned we speak for all WISPs. If they want to help control what is said they can join. But we're here if they want to provide input I think that good ideas are good ideas, no matter where they come from. There are some otherwise smart people that are still not members! AND, I already asked this on the members only list and no one bothered to even talk about it there. Because it had already been talked about poke. Chuck laters, marlon P.S. I'm not giving out anything that I think will help my competitors :-). - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Marlon, Also note... Your post was sent to the general list, not the members list. Technically, WISPA's obligation is to only consider the opinions of its members when formulating official WISPA opinion. As well, there is risk in sharing WISPA's strategy with the open public, which include our competitors. This thread would likely be more active, if it was made on the member's list, so comments could be made freely, knowing the audience. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John McDowell j...@boonlink.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Rick, will you add me to the grants committee list? On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org, I will allow them to go through. The Grants Committee wants your input but does not necessarily read every post on all the listservs. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I thought I saw some posts on that? My main concern is that I do not want a community to be determined by Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people that are not on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major pitfalls of the USDA program. I could have funded nearly 20 communities for grants already had the rules left out the Census. There needs to be a better way to determine if a community is indeed a community regardless of whether it is reported as a community or not. The second thing that I would propose is the use of funds for obtaining licensed spectrum, including but not limited to EBS/BRS and PTP microwave links. Thirdly, there should be no salary cap as the USDA puts on Network Administrative positions that must be filled to help manage this growth. Quality Network Engineers and administrators are high paying positions, not to mention, engineers with the experience in RF, cellular-type technologies with the know-how to build a top notch wimax network. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly.
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
D. Ryan Spott wrote: My understanding is the Vinyl tape is more solar resistant than the black rubber... ryan Not sure about this. I use rubber and sometimes we put vinyl tape as a 2nd layer. But I have never seen the rubber tape fail, except, the cheap junk you get in a true value harware store that has a plastic layer you peel off. That stuff disintergrates, shouldn't be used for anything I can think of. We use 3m and it's high quality. I stretch it out pretty far and it really covers tight. Something else we used as electricians in the past that I may have tried years ago to add aditional sealing, was liguid rubber. 3m or scotch make a liquid rubber product that you brush on and coats the tape that is used. It's called Scotch Coat in the electrical trade. It's an additional layer of protection. Downside, as you can imagine, it's kinda messy to work with. Mark Nash wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --
Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers
It was my error, em, not e to m. Ear to Mouth. Basically just makes an analog pipe. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers I tried to look it up but I cannot figure it out. Whats an E to M card? Blake Bowers wrote: I have a local non-profit that has a PILE of 1710 and 1750 routers that they want to sell. A couple of 3600 series routers, and E to M cards. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Dun dun dun - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Kinda like laughing in a limo in Chicago? ;-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:52:25 To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service calls when the phones weren't busy. This guy is pretty big - probably about 350 or so at the time and not the most nimble person in the world. He stopped by the customer's house and went to look at his router, which was up in the attic above the guys garage. Apparently, he lost his balance on the ladder and went through the drywall ceiling next to the attic access and dropped about 15 feet to the concrete floor. He was alright (miraculously) and the homeowner was actually pretty understanding about the situation. I asked the tech how it went down, and he said that when he started falling off the ladder, he just did a tuck and roll. Which made me feel a little better, because the image of him leaving a giant-sized human outline with arms and legs flailing as he went through the drywall was stuck in my head and causing me to tear up from laughing so hard. I thought it was probably like a combination of the Kool-Aid man and Sesame Street muppets going through walls. He doesn't do service calls any more. :^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Joe Miller wrote: This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
I had a partner years ago was a computer guy. We opened a new store in another city and he wanted to have a hole cut in the wall for a big window type deal between the retail end and the tech desk. I told him to wait till I cam up to do some other work. Instead he took one of my small trim skill saws and decided he could cut a hole in a wall. True story. He take the skill saw and he lays it against the wall about eye level and places his face, his eye in particular, right in front of the blade of the saw, so he could see where it was going. SPLINTERS! Splinters in the eye when he pulled that trigger. Note to others, wear safety gogles and maintanine safe distance away from the saw. Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service calls when the phones weren't busy. This guy is pretty big - probably about 350 or so at the time and not the most nimble person in the world. He stopped by the customer's house and went to look at his router, which was up in the attic above the guys garage. Apparently, he lost his balance on the ladder and went through the drywall ceiling next to the attic access and dropped about 15 feet to the concrete floor. He was alright (miraculously) and the homeowner was actually pretty understanding about the situation. I asked the tech how it went down, and he said that when he started falling off the ladder, he just did a tuck and roll. Which made me feel a little better, because the image of him leaving a giant-sized human outline with arms and legs flailing as he went through the drywall was stuck in my head and causing me to tear up from laughing so hard. I thought it was probably like a combination of the Kool-Aid man and Sesame Street muppets going through walls. He doesn't do service calls any more. :^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Joe Miller wrote: This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
