[WISPA] White House proposal would ease FBI access to records of Internet activity
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Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I cant even try to figure it out. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISPs in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you dont exist and dont offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISPs were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there will be much less. Brian -- Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that would reform the Universal Service Fund. The Press Release, Overview, Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link: http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1579; Itemid=122 I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon. A few highlights that the trade press has noted: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support - FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring support models - competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support - no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area - carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their service areas, or would lose support - all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution base - FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his front burner and that he wants to get the legislation passed this Fall. Please feel free to comment on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can promote education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever position WISPA may wish to take as the bill works its way through Congress. Thanks. Stephen E. Coran Rini Coran, PC 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, D.C. 20036 202.463.4310 - voice 202.669.3288 - cell 202.296.2014 - fax sco...@rinicoran.com - e-mail www.rinicoran.com www.telecommunicationslaw.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
At 7/29/2010 08:01 AM, Brian wrote: Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions. As I mentioned, the 75% rule only applies to wireline providers (i.e., cable), so mapping WISP coverage buys nothing. The Boucher-Terry bill has nothing in it to help WISPs and plenty to hurt them, including a rather high tax to support your competitors. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I cant even try to figure it out. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP's were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there will be much less. Brian -- Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that would reform the Universal Service Fund. The Press Release, Overview, Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link: http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1579; Itemid=122 I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon. A few highlights that the trade press has noted: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support - FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring support models - competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support - no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area - carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their service areas, or would lose support - all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution base - FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his front burner and that he wants to get the legislation passed this Fall. Please feel free to comment on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can promote education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever position WISPA may wish to take as the bill works its way through Congress. Thanks. Stephen E. Coran Rini Coran, PC 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, D.C. 20036 202.463.4310 - voice 202.669.3288 - cell 202.296.2014 -
[WISPA] Water Tower grounding
Ok, since we have been talking grounding, what would be the proper grounding method for a 'typical' water tower (bowl with maintenance rail and ladder up the leg). I have a Canopy 900 AP with a vertical antenna mounted at the top using shielded CAT5 routed down the bowl and ladder. There is a NEMA at the bottom where the CMM-3 is located with a #10 wire to the ground rod at the bottom of the NEMA. I am 'feeding' this tower APs during the spring/summer stormy months. Are there any better methods to grounding this setup? Thanks in advance, Bobby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
Fred, That is understood, however I think that WISPA may try to lobby to have the term wireline removed such that any technology that delivers the defined broadband and voice services should be qualified to meet the 75% requirement. This is still a bill and not a law so there are opportunities to change this although I don't expect that one to go through without a fight. In this case we might be able to ally ourselves with the cable industry. I am sure they would love to see Telco's lose their USF subsidies in markets that are served by cable. Brian -Original Message- From: Fred Goldstein [mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:42 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever At 7/29/2010 08:01 AM, Brian wrote: Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions. As I mentioned, the 75% rule only applies to wireline providers (i.e., cable), so mapping WISP coverage buys nothing. The Boucher-Terry bill has nothing in it to help WISPs and plenty to hurt them, including a rather high tax to support your competitors. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I cant even try to figure it out. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP's were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there will be much less. Brian -- Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that would reform the Universal Service Fund. The Press Release, Overview, Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link: http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1579 Itemid=122 I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon. A few highlights that the trade press has noted: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support - FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring support models - competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support - no
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever
Is cable not considered a wireline service? Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:02 AM To: 'Fred Goldstein'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever Fred, That is understood, however I think that WISPA may try to lobby to have the term wireline removed such that any technology that delivers the defined broadband and voice services should be qualified to meet the 75% requirement. This is still a bill and not a law so there are opportunities to change this although I don't expect that one to go through without a fight. In this case we might be able to ally ourselves with the cable industry. I am sure they would love to see Telco's lose their USF subsidies in markets that are served by cable. Brian -Original Message- From: Fred Goldstein [mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:42 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever At 7/29/2010 08:01 AM, Brian wrote: Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions. As I mentioned, the 75% rule only applies to wireline providers (i.e., cable), so mapping WISP coverage buys nothing. The Boucher-Terry bill has nothing in it to help WISPs and plenty to hurt them, including a rather high tax to support your competitors. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I cant even try to figure it out. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP's were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there will be much less. Brian -- Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that would reform the Universal Service Fund. The Press Release, Overview, Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link: http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1579 Itemid=122 I
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
Yes but if the cable companies could also ally with wireless carriers to get other areas excluded from USF subsidies, the field would be a more level one should the cable companies try to compete in other markets. We might also get Clearwire and the cellular carriers to support the position although most of their deployments will probably be in areas that would never have qualified for USF to begin with. If the terms wireline are kept in the bill it would appear that wireless services might also be excluded from receiving any USF funds which basically keeps USF funds in the exclusive hands of the Telco's as it has been. Personally I think that if we don't out and out oppose the bill for USF reform, but rather do something like this as a minor change, the WISP industry can make out better. USF reform will happen and USF funds will be spent on deploying broadband to unserved areas no matter what. What we need to do is make sure the law does not fund builds in areas already served by WISP's and other technologies. If the battle could also be fought and won to allow WISP's access to the funds for broadband deployments then great. When going up against the cable and Telco lobbies, one has to be wise about picking their battles as the funding to fight this will be limited. Brian -Original Message- From: Jeff Broadwick [mailto:jeffl...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:07 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever Is cable not considered a wireline service? Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:02 AM To: 'Fred Goldstein'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever Fred, That is understood, however I think that WISPA may try to lobby to have the term wireline removed such that any technology that delivers the defined broadband and voice services should be qualified to meet the 75% requirement. This is still a bill and not a law so there are opportunities to change this although I don't expect that one to go through without a fight. In this case we might be able to ally ourselves with the cable industry. I am sure they would love to see Telco's lose their USF subsidies in markets that are served by cable. Brian -Original Message- From: Fred Goldstein [mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:42 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever At 7/29/2010 08:01 AM, Brian wrote: Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions. As I mentioned, the 75% rule only applies to wireline providers (i.e., cable), so mapping WISP coverage buys nothing. The Boucher-Terry bill has nothing in it to help WISPs and plenty to hurt them, including a rather high tax to support your competitors. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I cant even try to figure it out. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever
You'd think there would be an excellent legal argument to fight that. Seems it'd be difficult to enact a law that in effect discriminates against certain classes of providers, especially since WISPs are the only pure play broadband providers out there. Theorectically the re-configured USF is meant to propel broadband...so how could the feds exclude the only entity that provides broadband first, other services second. All other providers have broadband as a secondary play. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:02 AM To: 'Fred Goldstein'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever Fred, That is understood, however I think that WISPA may try to lobby to have the term wireline removed such that any technology that delivers the defined broadband and voice services should be qualified to meet the 75% requirement. This is still a bill and not a law so there are opportunities to change this although I don't expect that one to go through without a fight. In this case we might be able to ally ourselves with the cable industry. I am sure they would love to see Telco's lose their USF subsidies in markets that are served by cable. Brian -Original Message- From: Fred Goldstein [mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:42 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever At 7/29/2010 08:01 AM, Brian wrote: Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions. As I mentioned, the 75% rule only applies to wireline providers (i.e., cable), so mapping WISP coverage buys nothing. The Boucher-Terry bill has nothing in it to help WISPs and plenty to hurt them, including a rather high tax to support your competitors. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I cant even try to figure it out. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP's were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there will be much less. Brian
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
The IDEA of an HSA (Health Savings Account) is not for the employer to save money. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_savings_account It's for the employee to have a employer-funded savings account for medical expenses. Putting the normal, small expenses on the employee. So if the employee is healthy and doesn't see a doctor much, that employee can realize a savings account that grows. There is coverage in the case of a large problem. So, while premiums ARE technically lower for the employer, the employer is then SUPPOSED to put what essentially is the difference between a traditional premium and an HSA premium in the employees HSA account. This is a small step toward people paying for their own healthcare and having a savings later on in life when health care costs are higher. The advisor I talked to stated that the payoff seems to be about 18 months. In 18 months, if you don't have much in expenses, you begin to build your savings account to a point where it outperforms what a normal person would pay for out-of-pocket expenses. If you run it dry constantly, then it will not perform well for you, and therefore YOU should stay on a traditional premium plan. This is an employee-by-employee decision to make depending on the life circumstances of THAT employee and his/her family needs. - Original Message - From: Bret Clark To: WISPA General List Cc: memb...@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance We went through an independent broker who essentially had created a small business group plan of area businesses that help keep cost down verses us going to the insurer ourselves. Another thing to consider is Health Savings Accounts (HSA) which are a lot less then regular health insurance but at least affords some piece of mind for employees in the event they are faced with a serious medical or health issue. Bret On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 19:07 -0400, David Weddell wrote: I know that we are constantly battling pricing in health insurance. We would be interested in how we could participate in a “WISPA” group plan and with 60+ employees and families that we cover, you can imagine our monthly premium. I would assume that in an association plan, the more that participate, the better rates could be negotiated. We would be interested in helping with negotiations if needed. I believe this is a great idea and could benefit WISPA as a whole and encourage membership as well. Regards, David Weddell VP Business Development Corporate Partnerships Omnicity, Inc. www.omnicity.net OTCMarkets: OMCY 866 586 1518 Corporate Office 765 499 7310 Cell From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA Members] Health Insurance I am curious about all the small operators out there. What are you doing for Health Insurance? Do you have individual policies? Are you on your wife’s policy? Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan? I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks. I will most likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an underwriter and see what the feasibility is. Between now and then, I would like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort. My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or themselves. Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
Yes Patrick I agree with you but remember who is lobbying this bill. They will play to win even though the government is not supposed to be picking winners.. Brian -Original Message- From: Patrick Leary [mailto:ple...@apertonet.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:37 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List; Fred Goldstein Subject: RE: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever You'd think there would be an excellent legal argument to fight that. Seems it'd be difficult to enact a law that in effect discriminates against certain classes of providers, especially since WISPs are the only pure play broadband providers out there. Theorectically the re-configured USF is meant to propel broadband...so how could the feds exclude the only entity that provides broadband first, other services second. All other providers have broadband as a secondary play. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:02 AM To: 'Fred Goldstein'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever Fred, That is understood, however I think that WISPA may try to lobby to have the term wireline removed such that any technology that delivers the defined broadband and voice services should be qualified to meet the 75% requirement. This is still a bill and not a law so there are opportunities to change this although I don't expect that one to go through without a fight. In this case we might be able to ally ourselves with the cable industry. I am sure they would love to see Telco's lose their USF subsidies in markets that are served by cable. Brian -Original Message- From: Fred Goldstein [mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:42 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever At 7/29/2010 08:01 AM, Brian wrote: Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions. As I mentioned, the 75% rule only applies to wireline providers (i.e., cable), so mapping WISP coverage buys nothing. The Boucher-Terry bill has nothing in it to help WISPs and plenty to hurt them, including a rather high tax to support your competitors. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I cant even try to figure it out. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
At 7/29/2010 10:34 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Yes but if the cable companies could also ally with wireless carriers to get other areas excluded from USF subsidies, the field would be a more level one should the cable companies try to compete in other markets. We might also get Clearwire and the cellular carriers to support the position although most of their deployments will probably be in areas that would never have qualified for USF to begin with. If the terms wireline are kept in the bill it would appear that wireless services might also be excluded from receiving any USF funds which basically keeps USF funds in the exclusive hands of the Telco's as it has been. Personally I think that if we don't out and out oppose the bill for USF reform, but rather do something like this as a minor change, the WISP industry can make out better. USF reform will happen and USF funds will be spent on deploying broadband to unserved areas no matter what. What we need to do is make sure the law does not fund builds in areas already served by WISP's and other technologies. If the battle could also be fought and won to allow WISP's access to the funds for broadband deployments then great. When going up against the cable and Telco lobbies, one has to be wise about picking their battles as the funding to fight this will be limited. And on a related note, Patrick Leary wrote, You'd think there would be an excellent legal argument to fight that. Seems it'd be difficult to enact a law that in effect discriminates against certain classes of providers, especially since WISPs are the only pure play broadband providers out there. Theorectically the re-configured USF is meant to propel broadband...so how could the feds exclude the only entity that provides broadband first, other services second. All other providers have broadband as a secondary play. Patrick's first... We're talking about a new law, so the legal argument boils down to whatever the law says is legal, is legal, unless it's a flagrant constitutional violation. Which I don't see, since the main issue here is simply who gets government handouts, and handing out money (and taxing) is sort of the normal role of government. The problem is that the system is so corrupt by now that the handouts appear to be irrational. In practice they're not; they just aren't done for the public good. Back to Brian's point... You first have to think about whose bill this is. Boucher doesn't make this stuff up himself. Nor does his staff, though they know more about it than most congressional staffers. Boucher's job in Washington is, and has always been, to carry Verizon's water. When he puts a bill in the hopper, it comes from them. Tom Tauke's staff probably drafted most of the bill. So what is Verizon asking for? You again have to look at what USF is all about. It was created as part of intercarrier compensation reform. Before USF, toll settlements to rural carriers were high enough to pay the subsidies. Make a 30 cent call and the rural carrier gets 50 cents for terminating it. This worked because Long Distance was a huge luxury and thus could be milked. As the cost of delivering LD went down, the amount that could be diverted to supporting the ILECs went up. But the system broke down under competition, especially from VoIP, but also from something called reality -- you can't perpetuate a rotten system like that forever. It was hugely inefficient. So intercarrier payments from IXCs to LECs no longer pay the whole freight, and explicit USF makes up the difference. The IXCs, however, are the main payers of USF. They count the cards differently but the kitty still goes the same way. In the 1980s, Verizon (then called Bell Atlantic) was a LEC and on the receiving end of IXC switched access charges. But now the Bells get much lower switched access rates, so it's not a big revenue source for them. Instead, you have Verizon owning the former MCI and Worldcom assets and Southwestern Bell owning the former ATT Corp. assets, so the two mega-Bells are probably net payers, not recipients, of subsidies to the rurals, both via USF and access charges. Sprint, of course, no longer has any affiliated LECs, so it's a big net loser too. Those three companies thus want to lower the bill. The rural carriers, from the few remaining mom-and-pops to the coops up to big CenturyTel and Citizens/Frontier, want even more. So they are using broadband as an excuse. Give them more USF money and they'll extend DSL out further, even FTTH. Hey, it's not *their* money! They don't build gold-plated networks. It's solid 14k gold. (Not 24k. They're too modest for that, and besides 14k is harder.) So what the Boucher bill does is push the FCC along the path it was considering anyway, with some tweaks. The 75% clause is there to cut off support to ILECs that have been almost fully overbuilt by cable, not because cable cares (they don't get USF), but
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
I am so glad you moved over to the Wispa list Fred! I don't always agree with you, but I REALLY appreciate how much thought and detail you put into your responses. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever At 7/29/2010 10:34 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Yes but if the cable companies could also ally with wireless carriers to get other areas excluded from USF subsidies, the field would be a more level one should the cable companies try to compete in other markets. We might also get Clearwire and the cellular carriers to support the position although most of their deployments will probably be in areas that would never have qualified for USF to begin with. If the terms wireline are kept in the bill it would appear that wireless services might also be excluded from receiving any USF funds which basically keeps USF funds in the exclusive hands of the Telco's as it has been. Personally I think that if we don't out and out oppose the bill for USF reform, but rather do something like this as a minor change, the WISP industry can make out better. USF reform will happen and USF funds will be spent on deploying broadband to unserved areas no matter what. What we need to do is make sure the law does not fund builds in areas already served by WISP's and other technologies. If the battle could also be fought and won to allow WISP's access to the funds for broadband deployments then great. When going up against the cable and Telco lobbies, one has to be wise about picking their battles as the funding to fight this will be limited. And on a related note, Patrick Leary wrote, You'd think there would be an excellent legal argument to fight that. Seems it'd be difficult to enact a law that in effect discriminates against certain classes of providers, especially since WISPs are the only pure play broadband providers out there. Theorectically the re-configured USF is meant to propel broadband...so how could the feds exclude the only entity that provides broadband first, other services second. All other providers have broadband as a secondary play. Patrick's first... We're talking about a new law, so the legal argument boils down to whatever the law says is legal, is legal, unless it's a flagrant constitutional violation. Which I don't see, since the main issue here is simply who gets government handouts, and handing out money (and taxing) is sort of the normal role of government. The problem is that the system is so corrupt by now that the handouts appear to be irrational. In practice they're not; they just aren't done for the public good. Back to Brian's point... You first have to think about whose bill this is. Boucher doesn't make this stuff up himself. Nor does his staff, though they know more about it than most congressional staffers. Boucher's job in Washington is, and has always been, to carry Verizon's water. When he puts a bill in the hopper, it comes from them. Tom Tauke's staff probably drafted most of the bill. So what is Verizon asking for? You again have to look at what USF is all about. It was created as part of intercarrier compensation reform. Before USF, toll settlements to rural carriers were high enough to pay the subsidies. Make a 30 cent call and the rural carrier gets 50 cents for terminating it. This worked because Long Distance was a huge luxury and thus could be milked. As the cost of delivering LD went down, the amount that could be diverted to supporting the ILECs went up. But the system broke down under competition, especially from VoIP, but also from something called reality -- you can't perpetuate a rotten system like that forever. It was hugely inefficient. So intercarrier payments from IXCs to LECs no longer pay the whole freight, and explicit USF makes up the difference. The IXCs, however, are the main payers of USF. They count the cards differently but the kitty still goes the same way. In the 1980s, Verizon (then called Bell Atlantic) was a LEC and on the receiving end of IXC switched access charges. But now the Bells get much lower switched access rates, so it's not a big revenue source for them. Instead, you have Verizon owning the former MCI and Worldcom assets and Southwestern Bell owning the former ATT Corp. assets, so the two mega-Bells are probably net payers, not recipients, of subsidies to the rurals, both via USF and access charges. Sprint, of course, no longer has any affiliated LECs, so it's a big net loser too. Those three companies thus want to lower the bill. The rural carriers, from the few remaining mom-and-pops to the coops up to big CenturyTel and
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
Anyone have the 30dB Dishes in stock? -Gary- - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge For this I would use two Rocket M5's with the 30dB Rocket dishes. Reason being is after the event is done, you will have a set of radios you can use in another part of the network for up to a 30 mile shot. Configure: One as AP WDS One as Station WDS. 10MHz channel Max Tx Rate Automatic AirMax Enabled No ACK mode for PTP enabled Watch it fly - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of KosiNet Wireless Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:57 PM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Thanks, I'll look at that option. Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to experiment... -Gary- - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so). The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M... Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable. If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well. Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg + easily. BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can determine what models will work well for you. http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote: Sorry for not giving all the details. The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two (less than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end up using 6 Radios to get the job done. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge What kind of distance? I assume you have LOS? I would go with Ubiquity probably. 150 megs aggregate for $200 is very convenient for building to building bridges. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wirelesswirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
Fred, Does the bill state that the voice and data service have to be provided by the SAME carrier or just that the consumer has access to them? Would cellular service qualify in that case? Thought is that is there is cell or CLEC service and a WISP also covers the same area with only broadband, it could be considered served. The issue of QOS and all the other call reliability standards would be addressed by others and not the WISP. I get and understand every point you made on the bill and the players. It all makes sense and pretty much what one would expect. Changes to allow WISP's or wireless to be considered part of the 75% coverage would really hurt the rurals that are trying to save their revenue stream and will meet with a massive fight. USF reform was expected to have spurred a big fight from those who stand to lose. There have been a lot of votes and campaign contributions bought with that money over the years. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever At 7/29/2010 10:34 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Yes but if the cable companies could also ally with wireless carriers to get other areas excluded from USF subsidies, the field would be a more level one should the cable companies try to compete in other markets. We might also get Clearwire and the cellular carriers to support the position although most of their deployments will probably be in areas that would never have qualified for USF to begin with. If the terms wireline are kept in the bill it would appear that wireless services might also be excluded from receiving any USF funds which basically keeps USF funds in the exclusive hands of the Telco's as it has been. Personally I think that if we don't out and out oppose the bill for USF reform, but rather do something like this as a minor change, the WISP industry can make out better. USF reform will happen and USF funds will be spent on deploying broadband to unserved areas no matter what. What we need to do is make sure the law does not fund builds in areas already served by WISP's and other technologies. If the battle could also be fought and won to allow WISP's access to the funds for broadband deployments then great. When going up against the cable and Telco lobbies, one has to be wise about picking their battles as the funding to fight this will be limited. And on a related note, Patrick Leary wrote, You'd think there would be an excellent legal argument to fight that. Seems it'd be difficult to enact a law that in effect discriminates against certain classes of providers, especially since WISPs are the only pure play broadband providers out there. Theorectically the re-configured USF is meant to propel broadband...so how could the feds exclude the only entity that provides broadband first, other services second. All other providers have broadband as a secondary play. Patrick's first... We're talking about a new law, so the legal argument boils down to whatever the law says is legal, is legal, unless it's a flagrant constitutional violation. Which I don't see, since the main issue here is simply who gets government handouts, and handing out money (and taxing) is sort of the normal role of government. The problem is that the system is so corrupt by now that the handouts appear to be irrational. In practice they're not; they just aren't done for the public good. Back to Brian's point... You first have to think about whose bill this is. Boucher doesn't make this stuff up himself. Nor does his staff, though they know more about it than most congressional staffers. Boucher's job in Washington is, and has always been, to carry Verizon's water. When he puts a bill in the hopper, it comes from them. Tom Tauke's staff probably drafted most of the bill. So what is Verizon asking for? You again have to look at what USF is all about. It was created as part of intercarrier compensation reform. Before USF, toll settlements to rural carriers were high enough to pay the subsidies. Make a 30 cent call and the rural carrier gets 50 cents for terminating it. This worked because Long Distance was a huge luxury and thus could be milked. As the cost of delivering LD went down, the amount that could be diverted to supporting the ILECs went up. But the system broke down under competition, especially from VoIP, but also from something called reality -- you can't perpetuate a rotten system like that forever. It was hugely inefficient. So intercarrier payments from IXCs to LECs no longer pay the whole freight, and explicit USF makes up the difference. The IXCs, however, are the main payers of USF. They count the cards differently but the kitty still goes the same way. In the 1980s,
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
Streakwave in Salt Lake - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kosinet Wireless Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Anyone have the 30dB Dishes in stock? -Gary- - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge For this I would use two Rocket M5's with the 30dB Rocket dishes. Reason being is after the event is done, you will have a set of radios you can use in another part of the network for up to a 30 mile shot. Configure: One as AP WDS One as Station WDS. 10MHz channel Max Tx Rate Automatic AirMax Enabled No ACK mode for PTP enabled Watch it fly - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of KosiNet Wireless Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:57 PM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Thanks, I'll look at that option. Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to experiment... -Gary- - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so). The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M... Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable. If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well. Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg + easily. BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can determine what models will work well for you. http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote: Sorry for not giving all the details. The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two (less than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end up using 6 Radios to get the job done. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge What kind of distance? I assume you have LOS? I would go with Ubiquity probably. 150 megs aggregate for $200 is very convenient for building to building bridges. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wirelesswirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
Yes, he is very informative! Thanks Fred. Always helps for everyone to know the other side of the fence and get a reality check of the world we play in. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever I am so glad you moved over to the Wispa list Fred! I don't always agree with you, but I REALLY appreciate how much thought and detail you put into your responses. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever At 7/29/2010 10:34 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Yes but if the cable companies could also ally with wireless carriers to get other areas excluded from USF subsidies, the field would be a more level one should the cable companies try to compete in other markets. We might also get Clearwire and the cellular carriers to support the position although most of their deployments will probably be in areas that would never have qualified for USF to begin with. If the terms wireline are kept in the bill it would appear that wireless services might also be excluded from receiving any USF funds which basically keeps USF funds in the exclusive hands of the Telco's as it has been. Personally I think that if we don't out and out oppose the bill for USF reform, but rather do something like this as a minor change, the WISP industry can make out better. USF reform will happen and USF funds will be spent on deploying broadband to unserved areas no matter what. What we need to do is make sure the law does not fund builds in areas already served by WISP's and other technologies. If the battle could also be fought and won to allow WISP's access to the funds for broadband deployments then great. When going up against the cable and Telco lobbies, one has to be wise about picking their battles as the funding to fight this will be limited. And on a related note, Patrick Leary wrote, You'd think there would be an excellent legal argument to fight that. Seems it'd be difficult to enact a law that in effect discriminates against certain classes of providers, especially since WISPs are the only pure play broadband providers out there. Theorectically the re-configured USF is meant to propel broadband...so how could the feds exclude the only entity that provides broadband first, other services second. All other providers have broadband as a secondary play. Patrick's first... We're talking about a new law, so the legal argument boils down to whatever the law says is legal, is legal, unless it's a flagrant constitutional violation. Which I don't see, since the main issue here is simply who gets government handouts, and handing out money (and taxing) is sort of the normal role of government. The problem is that the system is so corrupt by now that the handouts appear to be irrational. In practice they're not; they just aren't done for the public good. Back to Brian's point... You first have to think about whose bill this is. Boucher doesn't make this stuff up himself. Nor does his staff, though they know more about it than most congressional staffers. Boucher's job in Washington is, and has always been, to carry Verizon's water. When he puts a bill in the hopper, it comes from them. Tom Tauke's staff probably drafted most of the bill. So what is Verizon asking for? You again have to look at what USF is all about. It was created as part of intercarrier compensation reform. Before USF, toll settlements to rural carriers were high enough to pay the subsidies. Make a 30 cent call and the rural carrier gets 50 cents for terminating it. This worked because Long Distance was a huge luxury and thus could be milked. As the cost of delivering LD went down, the amount that could be diverted to supporting the ILECs went up. But the system broke down under competition, especially from VoIP, but also from something called reality -- you can't perpetuate a rotten system like that forever. It was hugely inefficient. So intercarrier payments from IXCs to LECs no longer pay the whole freight, and explicit USF makes up the difference. The IXCs, however, are the main payers of USF. They count the cards differently but the kitty still goes the same way. In the 1980s, Verizon (then called Bell Atlantic) was a LEC and on the receiving end of IXC switched access charges. But now the Bells get much lower switched access rates, so it's not a big revenue source for them. Instead, you
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
At 7/29/2010 11:51 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Fred, Does the bill state that the voice and data service have to be provided by the SAME carrier or just that the consumer has access to them? It says that they purchase it from the unsupported non-incumbent provider. So that implies at least a resale relationship. Bear in mind that many cable companies who provide voice service do not have their own voice networks; Sprint, for instance, is the wholesale CLEC supplier to much of Suddenlink and TW Cable. The bill does not specify that the seller be a CLEC per se. It does require a stand-alone voice service (bundles only don't count), toll restriction option, E911, etc. And there can be just and reasonable charges for extending the line outside of the normal service range, again resembling telco practice for houses set back too far, etc. Would cellular service qualify in that case? No; it's written for wireline, and standard POTS parameters. The bill allows up to two CMRS carriers to get USF too. If there are at least three CMRS carriers in an area, they bid for the right to receive USF. If there aren't three, but one already gets USF, it keeps it, without bidding, at current levels. This latter clause might end up giving VZ and ATT a lot of extra money vs. current FCC plans to reduce USF support to them, which shows you how the bill is not really one to reduce USF so much as to direct it certain ways! Thought is that is there is cell or CLEC service and a WISP also covers the same area with only broadband, it could be considered served. The issue of QOS and all the other call reliability standards would be addressed by others and not the WISP. No, because mobile standards are counted differently, towards the separate mobile USF entitlement. WISPs are left out. (Time to crack out the lobbyists!) I get and understand every point you made on the bill and the players. It all makes sense and pretty much what one would expect. Changes to allow WISP's or wireless to be considered part of the 75% coverage would really hurt the rurals that are trying to save their revenue stream and will meet with a massive fight. USF reform was expected to have spurred a big fight from those who stand to lose. There have been a lot of votes and campaign contributions bought with that money over the years. Yes, I expect that this bill will receive a fair amount of opposition from the subsidy-suckers too. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever At 7/29/2010 10:34 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Yes but if the cable companies could also ally with wireless carriers to get other areas excluded from USF subsidies, the field would be a more level one should the cable companies try to compete in other markets. We might also get Clearwire and the cellular carriers to support the position although most of their deployments will probably be in areas that would never have qualified for USF to begin with. If the terms wireline are kept in the bill it would appear that wireless services might also be excluded from receiving any USF funds which basically keeps USF funds in the exclusive hands of the Telco's as it has been. Personally I think that if we don't out and out oppose the bill for USF reform, but rather do something like this as a minor change, the WISP industry can make out better. USF reform will happen and USF funds will be spent on deploying broadband to unserved areas no matter what. What we need to do is make sure the law does not fund builds in areas already served by WISP's and other technologies. If the battle could also be fought and won to allow WISP's access to the funds for broadband deployments then great. When going up against the cable and Telco lobbies, one has to be wise about picking their battles as the funding to fight this will be limited. And on a related note, Patrick Leary wrote, You'd think there would be an excellent legal argument to fight that. Seems it'd be difficult to enact a law that in effect discriminates against certain classes of providers, especially since WISPs are the only pure play broadband providers out there. Theorectically the re-configured USF is meant to propel broadband...so how could the feds exclude the only entity that provides broadband first, other services second. All other providers have broadband as a secondary play. Patrick's first... We're talking about a new law, so the legal argument boils down to whatever the law says is legal, is legal, unless it's a flagrant constitutional violation. Which I don't see, since the main issue here is simply who gets government handouts, and handing out money (and taxing) is sort of the normal
[WISPA] Your experiences with Everyone.net email service?
Hello, We have been considering changing our email provider from Everyone.net to another service and wondered if anyone else shares our experience. We started using their service in 2008, migrating our older Linux and Windows servers to them. Initially, they were very helpful, and went to considerable lengths to help us ease our transition. Since then, things have changed. Off and on, we have experienced tremendous problems with their service, from both a technical standpoint and a support standpoint. The biggest issue we face is deflection, where they work very hard to prove a problem isn't a fault of their service, rather than trying to help us. For about 8 months we battled constant issues with SMTP, where customers on or off our network would be unable to send email for 6+ hours at a time. It took us carefully documenting every event and then threatening to cancel for them to finally agree to look into our problem. I have a saved folder with about 15 messages from their support manager telling me the problem must be in my head - then a follow up from about 3 months ago where they found a deeply-hidden sql bug that was causing our problem. This took nearly 5 months for them to actually look into, and another 3 to fix. That's just one example of many - we have a history with them of not responding to our support requests, along with recurring technical issues. We would really hate to migrate our email yet again, but it's gotten to that point. Are we just incredibly unlucky, or has anyone else in the community had issues with them? We expected difficulty in transitioning - what we have experienced are non-stop chains of support issues stretching back two years now. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Service in Belfair, WA?
Anyone cover that town? Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Water Tower grounding
I'm not sure how others might answer this, but here goes. Unless water towers are constructed differently than those I have dealt with, they are by nature a solidly grounded structure. Having said that, the only problem I would see is having any ungrounded metal on the side of that tower which could build up excess electrons and create a streamer towards the clouds and invite a strike. I have never looked at a Canopy 900. Does it have a ground lug? If so I would take that right to a bare metal spot on the tower. Make sure the antenna (external) is solidly grounded to the tower structure as close as you can accomplish. They typically use epoxy paint to paint such monsters, so you would have to check with the owners where they want you to ground, stressing you want the ground bonded as close to your equipment as possible. I would put the equipment on a standoff away from the tower if possible. They will have to paint the tower again during the lifetime of your equipment. I hope some of this helps. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Burrow Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower grounding Ok, since we have been talking grounding, what would be the proper grounding method for a 'typical' water tower (bowl with maintenance rail and ladder up the leg). I have a Canopy 900 AP with a vertical antenna mounted at the top using shielded CAT5 routed down the bowl and ladder. There is a NEMA at the bottom where the CMM-3 is located with a #10 wire to the ground rod at the bottom of the NEMA. I am 'feeding' this tower APs during the spring/summer stormy months. Are there any better methods to grounding this setup? Thanks in advance, Bobby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Your experiences with Everyone.net email service?
I will get flak for this, don't know why. We use Google Apps Partner Edition. We initially started because it was free. We have had almost 0 issues with our email. It's months between ANY issues. The issues themselves are usually the older generation stuck on Eudora/Outlook interfaces and get lost when finding contacts or want to email many people. Right now I believe it is the reseller edition...but Google makes these things complicated. Partner edition, after we started on it, was said to be $0.15/user/year per someone on another list. We offer free email and have nearly 0 expense through this. If someone wants a vanity domain, say bark...@joesbar.com, we use the standard edition and charge them for the domain. Imaginenetworksllc.com is Premier edition. There are several additions but the few I can recall are: globally stored messages in/out for later reviewing (like an employee misbehaving), increases your mbox quota, SLA (which seems like a joke because all it does is add a person on the phone), developer stuff, and some others. This is $50/user/year. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Justin Mann justinl...@unwiredwest.com wrote: Hello, We have been considering changing our email provider from Everyone.net to another service and wondered if anyone else shares our experience. We started using their service in 2008, migrating our older Linux and Windows servers to them. Initially, they were very helpful, and went to considerable lengths to help us ease our transition. Since then, things have changed. Off and on, we have experienced tremendous problems with their service, from both a technical standpoint and a support standpoint. The biggest issue we face is deflection, where they work very hard to prove a problem isn't a fault of their service, rather than trying to help us. For about 8 months we battled constant issues with SMTP, where customers on or off our network would be unable to send email for 6+ hours at a time. It took us carefully documenting every event and then threatening to cancel for them to finally agree to look into our problem. I have a saved folder with about 15 messages from their support manager telling me the problem must be in my head - then a follow up from about 3 months ago where they found a deeply-hidden sql bug that was causing our problem. This took nearly 5 months for them to actually look into, and another 3 to fix. That's just one example of many - we have a history with them of not responding to our support requests, along with recurring technical issues. We would really hate to migrate our email yet again, but it's gotten to that point. Are we just incredibly unlucky, or has anyone else in the community had issues with them? We expected difficulty in transitioning - what we have experienced are non-stop chains of support issues stretching back two years now. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Water Tower grounding
If you've put in your own ground rod and not bonded it to the electrical ground, then you're doing more harm than good. That will create a ground potential difference and smoke your equipment. You absolutely must have all the grounds tied together. I would make sure the water tower, your grounding and the utility ground are all bonded together. -Patrick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Bobby Burrow Sent: Thu 7/29/2010 8:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower grounding Ok, since we have been talking grounding, what would be the proper grounding method for a 'typical' water tower (bowl with maintenance rail and ladder up the leg). I have a Canopy 900 AP with a vertical antenna mounted at the top using shielded CAT5 routed down the bowl and ladder. There is a NEMA at the bottom where the CMM-3 is located with a #10 wire to the ground rod at the bottom of the NEMA. I am 'feeding' this tower APs during the spring/summer stormy months. Are there any better methods to grounding this setup? Thanks in advance, Bobby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Water Tower grounding
Also, if you want to know proper grounding practices, try to get your hands on the Motorola R56 manual. I would imagine you can find the pdf floating on the web somewhere. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Patrick Wheeland Sent: Thu 7/29/2010 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower grounding If you've put in your own ground rod and not bonded it to the electrical ground, then you're doing more harm than good. That will create a ground potential difference and smoke your equipment. You absolutely must have all the grounds tied together. I would make sure the water tower, your grounding and the utility ground are all bonded together. -Patrick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Bobby Burrow Sent: Thu 7/29/2010 8:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower grounding Ok, since we have been talking grounding, what would be the proper grounding method for a 'typical' water tower (bowl with maintenance rail and ladder up the leg). I have a Canopy 900 AP with a vertical antenna mounted at the top using shielded CAT5 routed down the bowl and ladder. There is a NEMA at the bottom where the CMM-3 is located with a #10 wire to the ground rod at the bottom of the NEMA. I am 'feeding' this tower APs during the spring/summer stormy months. Are there any better methods to grounding this setup? Thanks in advance, Bobby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service in Belfair, WA?
Wow that's memories, I used to be the Fire Chief in Belfair in the early/mid-90's, but to answer your question no I don't.. Forbes On 7/29/2010 10:04 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: Anyone cover that town? Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting
Paul, I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. www.linktechs.net is a vendor member and provides Mikrotik certification training. WISPA vendor members help in providing financial support for WISPA and it's efforts in promoting our industry. You can find a list of other WISPA vendor members at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=131 Jim On 7/28/2010 11:41 AM, Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 09:24 -0700, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? I'm thinking of going this year, curious what to expect. I've integrated mikrotik into our production network and so far it's working well, be nice to have a little official training though. I have a training class scheduled for next week (see http://store.wispgear.net/ for details). Mikrotik's official training (from the reviews I've seen) don't get very good reviews, due to the difficulty people have in understanding what they are saying... As for the MUM, they are generally pretty good shows. I've never heard anyone say they were disappointed for having attended. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Generators
Ok, so I am in the market for a Generator. Looking for probably 30-45kW. I've heard people say I need a PMG Exciter?? Anyone with experience in doing this? It's to support our datacenter, a few racks, a few 2200 UPS's and PDU's, and Cooling. I find all kinds of different ones on eBay and elsewhere, and am hoping someone already did the legwork and figured out everything they needed and can share? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Generators
Stick with Kohler. There are tons of brands - however... The Sine wave that is produced buy others will absolutely kill your UPS's Take it from someone that has learned the hard way. Cat has some higher end that work very well - as well. Kohler does much of what the PMG will do for you naturally. Also OVERSIZE... Our needs are 60 - so we went with 130KW. Gruber Power will spec everything for you out at no cost.then use that to shop around :-) On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Ok, so I am in the market for a Generator. Looking for probably 30-45kW. I’ve heard people say I need a PMG Exciter?? Anyone with experience in doing this? It’s to support our datacenter, a few racks, a few 2200 UPS’s and PDU’s, and Cooling. I find all kinds of different ones on eBay and elsewhere, and am hoping someone already did the legwork and figured out everything they needed and can share? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
Agreed, very much so! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/29/2010 10:41 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: I am so glad you moved over to the Wispa list Fred! I don't always agree with you, but I REALLY appreciate how much thought and detail you put into your responses. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever At 7/29/2010 10:34 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Yes but if the cable companies could also ally with wireless carriers to get other areas excluded from USF subsidies, the field would be a more level one should the cable companies try to compete in other markets. We might also get Clearwire and the cellular carriers to support the position although most of their deployments will probably be in areas that would never have qualified for USF to begin with. If the terms wireline are kept in the bill it would appear that wireless services might also be excluded from receiving any USF funds which basically keeps USF funds in the exclusive hands of the Telco's as it has been. Personally I think that if we don't out and out oppose the bill for USF reform, but rather do something like this as a minor change, the WISP industry can make out better. USF reform will happen and USF funds will be spent on deploying broadband to unserved areas no matter what. What we need to do is make sure the law does not fund builds in areas already served by WISP's and other technologies. If the battle could also be fought and won to allow WISP's access to the funds for broadband deployments then great. When going up against the cable and Telco lobbies, one has to be wise about picking their battles as the funding to fight this will be limited. And on a related note, Patrick Leary wrote, You'd think there would be an excellent legal argument to fight that. Seems it'd be difficult to enact a law that in effect discriminates against certain classes of providers, especially since WISPs are the only pure play broadband providers out there. Theorectically the re-configured USF is meant to propel broadband...so how could the feds exclude the only entity that provides broadband first, other services second. All other providers have broadband as a secondary play. Patrick's first... We're talking about a new law, so the legal argument boils down to whatever the law says is legal, is legal, unless it's a flagrant constitutional violation. Which I don't see, since the main issue here is simply who gets government handouts, and handing out money (and taxing) is sort of the normal role of government. The problem is that the system is so corrupt by now that the handouts appear to be irrational. In practice they're not; they just aren't done for the public good. Back to Brian's point... You first have to think about whose bill this is. Boucher doesn't make this stuff up himself. Nor does his staff, though they know more about it than most congressional staffers. Boucher's job in Washington is, and has always been, to carry Verizon's water. When he puts a bill in the hopper, it comes from them. Tom Tauke's staff probably drafted most of the bill. So what is Verizon asking for? You again have to look at what USF is all about. It was created as part of intercarrier compensation reform. Before USF, toll settlements to rural carriers were high enough to pay the subsidies. Make a 30 cent call and the rural carrier gets 50 cents for terminating it. This worked because Long Distance was a huge luxury and thus could be milked. As the cost of delivering LD went down, the amount that could be diverted to supporting the ILECs went up. But the system broke down under competition, especially from VoIP, but also from something called reality -- you can't perpetuate a rotten system like that forever. It was hugely inefficient. So intercarrier payments from IXCs to LECs no longer pay the whole freight, and explicit USF makes up the difference. The IXCs, however, are the main payers of USF. They count the cards differently but the kitty still goes the same way. In the 1980s, Verizon (then called Bell Atlantic) was a LEC and on the receiving end of IXC switched access charges. But now the Bells get much lower switched access rates, so it's not a big revenue source for them. Instead, you have Verizon owning the former MCI and Worldcom assets and Southwestern Bell owning the former ATT Corp. assets, so the two mega-Bells are probably net payers, not recipients, of subsidies to the rurals, both via USF and access charges. Sprint, of course, no longer has any
Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection
2 out of how many? We had a NASTY storm last night. Lost 1 nic card out of hundreds and hundreds of them. We used to loose modems from time to time too. In my mind, you're just going to loose some once in a while during storms. Part of the cost of doing business, just like flat tires out on the farm. Having said that, I wish more POE units had built in lightning protection. Polyphaser makes a nice ethernet protector that WILL work with POE applications. Roughly $100 if memory serves me right. I know, not much help. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:53 AM Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Generators
Don¹t skimp on the transfer switch. THE PMG exciter is a way of providing good clean power to the voltage regulator. It¹s basically a kick butt magnet. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:02:28 -0400 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Generators Ok, so I am in the market for a Generator. Looking for probably 30-45kW. I¹ve heard people say I need a PMG Exciter?? Anyone with experience in doing this? It¹s to support our datacenter, a few racks, a few 2200 UPS¹s and PDU¹s, and Cooling. I find all kinds of different ones on eBay and elsewhere, and am hoping someone already did the legwork and figured out everything they needed and can share? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
At 7/29/2010 04:32 PM, you wrote: Agreed, very much so! Thanks guys! And I do appreciate the help I get from you on all of my silly little equipment questions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/29/2010 10:41 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: I am so glad you moved over to the Wispa list Fred! I don't always agree with you, but I REALLY appreciate how much thought and detail you put into your responses. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever At 7/29/2010 10:34 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Yes but if the cable companies could also ally with wireless carriers to get other areas excluded from USF subsidies, the field would be a more level one should the cable companies try to compete in other markets. We might also get Clearwire and the cellular carriers to support the position although most of their deployments will probably be in areas that would never have qualified for USF to begin with. If the terms wireline are kept in the bill it would appear that wireless services might also be excluded from receiving any USF funds which basically keeps USF funds in the exclusive hands of the Telco's as it has been. Personally I think that if we don't out and out oppose the bill for USF reform, but rather do something like this as a minor change, the WISP industry can make out better. USF reform will happen and USF funds will be spent on deploying broadband to unserved areas no matter what. What we need to do is make sure the law does not fund builds in areas already served by WISP's and other technologies. If the battle could also be fought and won to allow WISP's access to the funds for broadband deployments then great. When going up against the cable and Telco lobbies, one has to be wise about picking their battles as the funding to fight this will be limited. And on a related note, Patrick Leary wrote, You'd think there would be an excellent legal argument to fight that. Seems it'd be difficult to enact a law that in effect discriminates against certain classes of providers, especially since WISPs are the only pure play broadband providers out there. Theorectically the re-configured USF is meant to propel broadband...so how could the feds exclude the only entity that provides broadband first, other services second. All other providers have broadband as a secondary play. Patrick's first... We're talking about a new law, so the legal argument boils down to whatever the law says is legal, is legal, unless it's a flagrant constitutional violation. Which I don't see, since the main issue here is simply who gets government handouts, and handing out money (and taxing) is sort of the normal role of government. The problem is that the system is so corrupt by now that the handouts appear to be irrational. In practice they're not; they just aren't done for the public good. Back to Brian's point... You first have to think about whose bill this is. Boucher doesn't make this stuff up himself. Nor does his staff, though they know more about it than most congressional staffers. Boucher's job in Washington is, and has always been, to carry Verizon's water. When he puts a bill in the hopper, it comes from them. Tom Tauke's staff probably drafted most of the bill. So what is Verizon asking for? You again have to look at what USF is all about. It was created as part of intercarrier compensation reform. Before USF, toll settlements to rural carriers were high enough to pay the subsidies. Make a 30 cent call and the rural carrier gets 50 cents for terminating it. This worked because Long Distance was a huge luxury and thus could be milked. As the cost of delivering LD went down, the amount that could be diverted to supporting the ILECs went up. But the system broke down under competition, especially from VoIP, but also from something called reality -- you can't perpetuate a rotten system like that forever. It was hugely inefficient. So intercarrier payments from IXCs to LECs no longer pay the whole freight, and explicit USF makes up the difference. The IXCs, however, are the main payers of USF. They count the cards differently but the kitty still goes the same way. In the 1980s, Verizon (then called Bell Atlantic) was a LEC and on the receiving end of IXC switched access charges. But now the Bells get much lower switched access rates, so it's not a big revenue source for them. Instead, you have Verizon owning the former MCI and
Re: [WISPA] Generators
Ours is a 35kW from Cummins Power Generation. We chose to run ours on propane so as to require little maintenance and full independence from other utilities (Natural Gas). We sized our tank so as to have plenty of runtime and the propane co is just down the road in case we need an emergency fill. -Paul On Jul 29, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: Stick with Kohler. There are tons of brands - however... The Sine wave that is produced buy others will absolutely kill your UPS's Take it from someone that has learned the hard way. Cat has some higher end that work very well - as well. Kohler does much of what the PMG will do for you naturally. Also OVERSIZE... Our needs are 60 - so we went with 130KW. Gruber Power will spec everything for you out at no cost.then use that to shop around :-) On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Ok, so I am in the market for a Generator. Looking for probably 30-45kW. I’ve heard people say I need a PMG Exciter?? Anyone with experience in doing this? It’s to support our datacenter, a few racks, a few 2200 UPS’s and PDU’s, and Cooling. I find all kinds of different ones on eBay and elsewhere, and am hoping someone already did the legwork and figured out everything they needed and can share? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Generators
You could also simply use both. there are kits to allow either/or for most genset's On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: Ours is a 35kW from Cummins Power Generation. We chose to run ours on propane so as to require little maintenance and full independence from other utilities (Natural Gas). We sized our tank so as to have plenty of runtime and the propane co is just down the road in case we need an emergency fill. -Paul On Jul 29, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: Stick with Kohler. There are tons of brands - however... The Sine wave that is produced buy others will absolutely kill your UPS's Take it from someone that has learned the hard way. Cat has some higher end that work very well - as well. Kohler does much of what the PMG will do for you naturally. Also OVERSIZE... Our needs are 60 - so we went with 130KW. Gruber Power will spec everything for you out at no cost.then use that to shop around :-) On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Ok, so I am in the market for a Generator. Looking for probably 30-45kW. I’ve heard people say I need a PMG Exciter?? Anyone with experience in doing this? It’s to support our datacenter, a few racks, a few 2200 UPS’s and PDU’s, and Cooling. I find all kinds of different ones on eBay and elsewhere, and am hoping someone already did the legwork and figured out everything they needed and can share? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Generators
How big of a tank is that propane generator? How long does that give you power? On Jul 29, 2010 5:25 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Ours is a 35kW from Cummins Power Generation. We chose to run ours on propane so as to require little maintenance and full independence from other utilities (Natural Gas). We sized our tank so as to have plenty of runtime and the propane co is just down the road in case we need an emergency fill. -Paul On Jul 29, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: Stick with Kohler. There are tons of bra... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reasonto document and map your network coverage ever
Except today based on GAO reports, Rural America had something like 34% unserved and Urban America had something like 25% unserved on average. I think Brian's data suggested that the USA was something like 24% unserved on average. My point here is that USF is already going to areas that are suggested to be less than 75% served, in the broad scale of things. Obviously, this point of view may not be accurate based on how area is defined. But most importantly I doubt that most pre-existing USF areas have 75% of their areas served by competitors, because there is little incintive to compete against subsidized entities, so again, it would be likely that most monies would go to pre-existing USF recipients. I dont predict that this requirement will help us. But it may depend on what the scoring criteria is to define eligibilty and priority in an award. I'm guessing that the law would become law BEFORE the scoring criteria was defined, therefore putting industry at risk to a scoring criteria that would be disadvantageous to smaller emergining providers. I just cant stomach the government picking the winners and losers. I simply believe that that is something best picked by consumers and the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com ; 'WISPA General List' ; memb...@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reasonto document and map your network coverage ever - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Ø Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! That is the way I see it too! Victoria Proffer www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:37 AM To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever Importance: High Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP's
Re: [WISPA] Generators
Oversize. It's the most practical way to ensure stability when powering a load that can have a poor power factor or a leading power factor. Datacenter loads being a perfect example. Switching power supplies with poor input filtering, UPSes that dump their entire load on the genset all at once, variable frequency drives on HVAC equipment, etc. are all present in datacenter loads and will all wreak havoc on your generator. I recommend reading this article: http://www.cumminspower.com/www/literature/technicalpapers/PT-6001-ImpactofPowerFactorLoads-en.pdf Any new generator in that size range will have an electronic governor, this is a must. There are lots of small things to consider, like block heaters if you are in a cold climate, and using algaecide if you're storing diesel. Find a vendor who knows what they're doing. Finally, monitoring. Make sure the generator has a built-in control system that will report errors. Most do this with a simple dry contact closure. You can tie this in to your building monitoring system if you have one to alert you if there is a problem, or attach to a SNMP capable device and monitor it using Nagios or whatever your network monitoring system is. Generators need to be tested frequently. Even the best ones love to die at very inopportune times. Mine exercise weekly and I run a load test every month after hours. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Chuck Hogg wrote: Ok, so I am in the market for a Generator. Looking for probably 30-45kW. I’ve heard people say I need a PMG Exciter?? Anyone with experience in doing this? It’s to support our datacenter, a few racks, a few 2200 UPS’s and PDU’s, and Cooling. I find all kinds of different ones on eBay and elsewhere, and am hoping someone already did the legwork and figured out everything they needed and can share? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Oooo! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:35:42 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I do see Butch's point. Need to relax on the wording. My personal recommendation is to use Butch as he is the first and last consultant I have needed. On Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Oooo! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I second Butch as a personal recommendation. We haven't had to use him much, but he has always had great recommendations for questions I have asked on the list as well as questions I wanted to ask and someone else beat me to it. Also, his QOS script for RouterOS is pretty good as well! On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I do see Butch's point. Need to relax on the wording. My personal recommendation is to use Butch as he is the first and last consultant I have needed. On Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Oooo! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Alan Bryant | Systems Administrator Gtek Computers Wireless, LLC. a...@gtekcommunications.com | www.gtek.biz O 361-777-1400 | F 361-777-1405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I agree with Josh's comment. Butch has been the first and last MikroTik consultant we've needed. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Bryant Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I second Butch as a personal recommendation. We haven't had to use him much, but he has always had great recommendations for questions I have asked on the list as well as questions I wanted to ask and someone else beat me to it. Also, his QOS script for RouterOS is pretty good as well! On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I do see Butch's point. Need to relax on the wording. My personal recommendation is to use Butch as he is the first and last consultant I have needed. On Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Oooo! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Alan Bryant | Systems Administrator Gtek Computers Wireless, LLC. a...@gtekcommunications.com | www.gtek.biz O 361-777-1400 | F 361-777-1405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] choosing a consultant -was- Re: OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
roflol I'm glad I'm not the only one that does silly things from time to time! Having said that let me drift this conversation a little bit. What are the reasons to use a consultant? For me it's mainly two fold. 1: I can hire the best in the field. I'm not stuck with what talents I've got. I'm also not stuck with someone that needs to know a lot about a lot of things. A consultant will often be a specialist in a fairly narrow field. ex: I can't tell you how to handle routing, but if you want to take radios, routers, servers etc. and combine those with some hard work and a potential customer base I can help you turn that into cashflow and, usually, profit. 2: Having access to more than one expert. If I had taken the time to learn servers, routers etc. or if I'd have hired a guy who's main, or even only, job it is to take care of those devices I'd be beholden to that one person. If they quit, got fired, died or whatever I'd be stuck for however long it took to find a replacement and train the new guy. With a consultant it's not much more complicated than picking up the phone and calling another consultant. Having said that I use Butch a lot. He's busy so the rest of you guys go find your own expert! grin Personally I don't know anyone that does as good of a job of working on the devices and has the patience to deal with my ignorance of that part of my business. The great part of it is that I *can* pick up the phone and call any of 3 or 4 others that also know how to do what Butch does for me. My choice today is to use Butch, but it's certainly nice to know I have options. It's up to Butch to make sure I never feel the need to develop a relationship with anyone else. How do others look at in-house vs. consultant workers? marlon - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I agree with Josh's comment. Butch has been the first and last MikroTik consultant we've needed. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Bryant Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I second Butch as a personal recommendation. We haven't had to use him much, but he has always had great recommendations for questions I have asked on the list as well as questions I wanted to ask and someone else beat me to it. Also, his QOS script for RouterOS is pretty good as well! On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I do see Butch's point. Need to relax on the wording. My personal recommendation is to use Butch as he is the first and last consultant I have needed. On Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Oooo! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Alan Bryant | Systems Administrator Gtek Computers Wireless, LLC. a...@gtekcommunications.com | www.gtek.biz O 361-777-1400 | F 361-777-1405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] choosing a consultant -was- Re: OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
On Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Oooo! SIGH! Sorry, list. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] choosing a consultant -was- Re: OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Consultants are significantly cheaper to start with, I think. I can't afford someone full time. If I can't do something then I go to Butch. Have him train me once and I go from there. He is my back up in case I'm stuck at some point. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: roflol I'm glad I'm not the only one that does silly things from time to time! Having said that let me drift this conversation a little bit. What are the reasons to use a consultant? For me it's mainly two fold. 1: I can hire the best in the field. I'm not stuck with what talents I've got. I'm also not stuck with someone that needs to know a lot about a lot of things. A consultant will often be a specialist in a fairly narrow field. ex: I can't tell you how to handle routing, but if you want to take radios, routers, servers etc. and combine those with some hard work and a potential customer base I can help you turn that into cashflow and, usually, profit. 2: Having access to more than one expert. If I had taken the time to learn servers, routers etc. or if I'd have hired a guy who's main, or even only, job it is to take care of those devices I'd be beholden to that one person. If they quit, got fired, died or whatever I'd be stuck for however long it took to find a replacement and train the new guy. With a consultant it's not much more complicated than picking up the phone and calling another consultant. Having said that I use Butch a lot. He's busy so the rest of you guys go find your own expert! grin Personally I don't know anyone that does as good of a job of working on the devices and has the patience to deal with my ignorance of that part of my business. The great part of it is that I *can* pick up the phone and call any of 3 or 4 others that also know how to do what Butch does for me. My choice today is to use Butch, but it's certainly nice to know I have options. It's up to Butch to make sure I never feel the need to develop a relationship with anyone else. How do others look at in-house vs. consultant workers? marlon - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I agree with Josh's comment. Butch has been the first and last MikroTik consultant we've needed. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Bryant Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I second Butch as a personal recommendation. We haven't had to use him much, but he has always had great recommendations for questions I have asked on the list as well as questions I wanted to ask and someone else beat me to it. Also, his QOS script for RouterOS is pretty good as well! On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I do see Butch's point. Need to relax on the wording. My personal recommendation is to use Butch as he is the first and last consultant I have needed. On Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Oooo! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Alan Bryant | Systems Administrator Gtek Computers Wireless, LLC. a...@gtekcommunications.com | www.gtek.biz O 361-777-1400 | F 361-777-1405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You!
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.
Available 2015. JOKE! But.. Could be true. Who knows. Not me... Joe- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request. according to Streakwave Website there is such a thing as PicoM 2HP... if it is available and shipping ... don't know... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 11:31 PM, RickG wrote: I do like my Picos. Wish they had an PicoM! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan?
I'll hang out and be in awe. Then again, I am lacking in brain cells. Me- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan? High speed cameras are definitely one of the best inventions of this century. Really cool looking but I wouldn't want to be anywhere near there, ever! On Jul 29, 2010 12:36 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvmEYxEYiA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvmEYxEYiAfeature=topvideos feature=topvideos Crazy. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.
They say August. But that would be the happy announcement email from them. Availability, probably October! :) Will be on the boat for at least a month. But I'm ready! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:03 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request. Speaking of Ubiquiti - any news about 900MHz? On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: according to Streakwave Website there is such a thing as PicoM 2HP... if it is available and shipping ... don't know... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 11:31 PM, RickG wrote: I do like my Picos. Wish they had an PicoM! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
I need a cheap / easy app to monitor a temporary link setup. Must be able to monitor and Email / Txt me if there are any outages... Preferably Windows based, as I don't have time to do this one myself. What are you guys running? Thanks, Gary. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
Use the free version of PRTG - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of KosiNet Wireless Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App I need a cheap / easy app to monitor a temporary link setup. Must be able to monitor and Email / Txt me if there are any outages... Preferably Windows based, as I don't have time to do this one myself. What are you guys running? Thanks, Gary. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
The dude :) Cheap, FREE! Windows! E-mails, SMS :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of KosiNet Wireless Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App I need a cheap / easy app to monitor a temporary link setup. Must be able to monitor and Email / Txt me if there are any outages... Preferably Windows based, as I don't have time to do this one myself. What are you guys running? Thanks, Gary. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
If it's a Mikrotik link you can do it right in the radio. What equipment are you using? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:30 PM, KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: I need a cheap / easy app to monitor a temporary link setup. Must be able to monitor and Email / Txt me if there are any outages... Preferably Windows based, as I don't have time to do this one myself. What are you guys running? Thanks, Gary. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan?
Man, that was on a recent discovery/science channel show about lighting. Kewl stuff. They talked about how most of this went up vs down i.e. you see the trail starting up from a tower or tree in some cases vs how most people see it come down.Acutally, once you get done with the video :: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnIStJ7OY6wNR=1 --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com - Author of Learn RouterOS http://www.routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:35 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan? I'll hang out and be in awe. Then again, I am lacking in brain cells. Me- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan? High speed cameras are definitely one of the best inventions of this century. Really cool looking but I wouldn't want to be anywhere near there, ever! On Jul 29, 2010 12:36 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvmEYxEYiAfeature=topvideos Crazy. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Yes a few months to fill a vacancy. He also did work with CALEA committee among other thngs. Not saying he did not do things for WISPA, but that still does not give him the right to advertise his products. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
My point still remains. If someone's smoking in a bar and I don't like it, I leave. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Yes a few months to fill a vacancy. He also did work with CALEA committee among other thngs. Not saying he did not do things for WISPA, but that still does not give him the right to advertise his products. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Ya, but that person is not paying in the bar, and I am .. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting My point still remains. If someone's smoking in a bar and I don't like it, I leave. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Yes a few months to fill a vacancy. He also did work with CALEA committee among other thngs. Not saying he did not do things for WISPA, but that still does not give him the right to advertise his products. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Life isn't fair. My example goes both ways. No one is forcing you to drink here. Maybe we should have a poll with all the paying members and see who all has a problem with it? Base rules on the decisions of the group. Are we really going to make a rule that says non-members can't offer help? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Ya, but that person is not paying in the bar, and I am .. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting My point still remains. If someone's smoking in a bar and I don't like it, I leave. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Yes a few months to fill a vacancy. He also did work with CALEA committee among other thngs. Not saying he did not do things for WISPA, but that still does not give him the right to advertise his products. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
He reminds me of Tom! On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net wrote: I am so glad you moved over to the Wispa list Fred! I don't always agree with you, but I REALLY appreciate how much thought and detail you put into your responses. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever At 7/29/2010 10:34 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Yes but if the cable companies could also ally with wireless carriers to get other areas excluded from USF subsidies, the field would be a more level one should the cable companies try to compete in other markets. We might also get Clearwire and the cellular carriers to support the position although most of their deployments will probably be in areas that would never have qualified for USF to begin with. If the terms wireline are kept in the bill it would appear that wireless services might also be excluded from receiving any USF funds which basically keeps USF funds in the exclusive hands of the Telco's as it has been. Personally I think that if we don't out and out oppose the bill for USF reform, but rather do something like this as a minor change, the WISP industry can make out better. USF reform will happen and USF funds will be spent on deploying broadband to unserved areas no matter what. What we need to do is make sure the law does not fund builds in areas already served by WISP's and other technologies. If the battle could also be fought and won to allow WISP's access to the funds for broadband deployments then great. When going up against the cable and Telco lobbies, one has to be wise about picking their battles as the funding to fight this will be limited. And on a related note, Patrick Leary wrote, You'd think there would be an excellent legal argument to fight that. Seems it'd be difficult to enact a law that in effect discriminates against certain classes of providers, especially since WISPs are the only pure play broadband providers out there. Theorectically the re-configured USF is meant to propel broadband...so how could the feds exclude the only entity that provides broadband first, other services second. All other providers have broadband as a secondary play. Patrick's first... We're talking about a new law, so the legal argument boils down to whatever the law says is legal, is legal, unless it's a flagrant constitutional violation. Which I don't see, since the main issue here is simply who gets government handouts, and handing out money (and taxing) is sort of the normal role of government. The problem is that the system is so corrupt by now that the handouts appear to be irrational. In practice they're not; they just aren't done for the public good. Back to Brian's point... You first have to think about whose bill this is. Boucher doesn't make this stuff up himself. Nor does his staff, though they know more about it than most congressional staffers. Boucher's job in Washington is, and has always been, to carry Verizon's water. When he puts a bill in the hopper, it comes from them. Tom Tauke's staff probably drafted most of the bill. So what is Verizon asking for? You again have to look at what USF is all about. It was created as part of intercarrier compensation reform. Before USF, toll settlements to rural carriers were high enough to pay the subsidies. Make a 30 cent call and the rural carrier gets 50 cents for terminating it. This worked because Long Distance was a huge luxury and thus could be milked. As the cost of delivering LD went down, the amount that could be diverted to supporting the ILECs went up. But the system broke down under competition, especially from VoIP, but also from something called reality -- you can't perpetuate a rotten system like that forever. It was hugely inefficient. So intercarrier payments from IXCs to LECs no longer pay the whole freight, and explicit USF makes up the difference. The IXCs, however, are the main payers of USF. They count the cards differently but the kitty still goes the same way. In the 1980s, Verizon (then called Bell Atlantic) was a LEC and on the receiving end of IXC switched access charges. But now the Bells get much lower switched access rates, so it's not a big revenue source for them. Instead, you have Verizon owning the former MCI and Worldcom assets and Southwestern Bell owning the former ATT Corp. assets, so the two mega-Bells are probably net payers, not recipients, of subsidies to the rurals, both via USF and access charges. Sprint, of course, no longer has any affiliated LECs, so it's a big net loser too. Those three companies
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.
Well, 900Hz is slower :) On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: They say August. But that would be the happy announcement email from them. Availability, probably October! :) Will be on the boat for at least a month. But I'm ready! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:03 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request. Speaking of Ubiquiti - any news about 900MHz? On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: according to Streakwave Website there is such a thing as PicoM 2HP... if it is available and shipping ... don't know... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 11:31 PM, RickG wrote: I do like my Picos. Wish they had an PicoM! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
I agree with Fred on this. I have read many of his statements on cybertelecom's email list. If you are an ISP, I strongly recommend that you join it off of http://www.cybertelecom.org/ Since around 2002, maybe a little earlier, at the time of The Tauzin-Dingell Telecom Bill, the Congress, and the FCC pretty much did away with line sharing or the ability for us(ISP's) to use any lines provided by Ilec's( http://www.manymedia.com/futures/tauzding.html ). After this it lead to the Triennial Review. All this finally leads to the fact that the ILEC's do not even have to share their fiber. Fred may not agree with me on this, but as far as I can see it, the FCC and Congress have been out to do away with the small ISP's since around 2000. They have one agenda, that makes it even more sound is that in the last few months, the FCC has now classified broadband as 4 meg down/1 meg up. That not only has DE-classified many of the WISP as providing broadband, but also the satellite providers, and many DSL systems. I recently had an awakening, on the 2nd round BIP, that even though my company had coverage in the same area as a Rural Telco(Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative) they could apply for BIP, but I could not because they already had USDA funding as a Telco. Guess what? They received 16 million in grants and also received 16 million in low cost loans to provide FTTH in my coverage area. Call me what you will, but the FCC and everything behind them only want the duopoly of cable and telco to deal with. We are just pissing in the wind and it is why I have not joined WISPA yet. I may be missing the boat, but I am waiting for WISPA to prove me wrong. I have seen beyond and experienced beyond the norm. Show me something that I can have faith(and provide financial incentives) in or I will stay exactly where I am at and look for other income. Scottie Arnett Info-Ed, Inc. At 7/29/2010 08:01 AM, Brian wrote: Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions. As I mentioned, the 75% rule only applies to wireline providers (i.e., cable), so mapping WISP coverage buys nothing. The Boucher-Terry bill has nothing in it to help WISPs and plenty to hurt them, including a rather high tax to support your competitors. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I cant even try to figure it out. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I was under the assumption that in order to advertise services on the lists one needed to be a paying vendor member. Doesn't seem fair that if one guy is paying for the right to advertise, that another guy can pop in and tout his stuff fwithout paying the fare (nothing against Butch, I'm just sayin') - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting Ya, but that person is not paying in the bar, and I am .. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting My point still remains. If someone's smoking in a bar and I don't like it, I leave. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Yes a few months to fill a vacancy. He also did work with CALEA committee among other thngs. Not saying he did not do things for WISPA, but that still does not give him the right to advertise his products. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
[WISPA] RocketM with AirMax 2G-15-120 sectors
OK, so I finally got around to upgrading one of my oldest towers. It had 3 WRAP/StarOS boards with CM9 cards on 15DB Superpass 120 degree sectors. I added the first RocketM unit with the 15DB 120 degree sectors. The receive signals are low, much lower than the old equipment. Any ideas? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Josh, Sorry but that email was out of line, why would you take the we'll take our Butch fans and leave attitude? it's totally against what we have all worked for in improving conditions for WISP's and access to our paid vendors. The first thing Dennis did was go on the Board list and announce it was his opinion and not as the board member and he would abstain from any board action if any was taken. I'm always irritated when people make grand stands over something when they know it's not really right. Yes I'm a fan of Butch's, I don't doubt for one second his qualifications, I'm also a fan of the rules that apply to everyone and if someone was a board member years ago but didn't support WISPA in the capacity they were representing now that is as violating to me as someone saying something bad about Butch. We have numerous camps in this group because people contribute a lot on here, I even say that you have been active enough to have a Josh camp of supporters. It shows a lack of that leadership expected of your followers to say if this group wants to play by the rules we all signed up for, we're outta here. If Butch has made at least $1000 in revenue while promoting his business on here, which I'm sure he has, shouldn't you be asking why do I have to pay my share and he doesn't? I'm just asking. The Regional Meeting provided great unity so when someone just willy-nilly says I speak for many of us blah blah lets fly this rules following group if they disagree with me at all! I ask do you even get WISPA? It's just sad because this group has made me plenty mad on occasion but I can easily see how WISPA has assisted my business and the entire industry. How many customers have said I'm leaving you and taking my friends with me, I lose maybe one or two people because of them but eventually they come back because my service is far better than my satellite competition, see the correlation. Forbes On 7/29/2010 8:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever
Exactly Patrick. The rural telco's in my coverage area are getting those per telephone served. They are not going to give it up without a fight. The only recourse would be to distribute USF funds across the providers providing Internet access and Land line access. That will not happen. Scottie You'd think there would be an excellent legal argument to fight that. Seems it'd be difficult to enact a law that in effect discriminates against certain classes of providers, especially since WISPs are the only pure play broadband providers out there. Theorectically the re-configured USF is meant to propel broadband...so how could the feds exclude the only entity that provides broadband first, other services second. All other providers have broadband as a secondary play. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:02 AM To: 'Fred Goldstein'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever Fred, That is understood, however I think that WISPA may try to lobby to have the term wireline removed such that any technology that delivers the defined broadband and voice services should be qualified to meet the 75% requirement. This is still a bill and not a law so there are opportunities to change this although I don't expect that one to go through without a fight. In this case we might be able to ally ourselves with the cable industry. I am sure they would love to see Telco's lose their USF subsidies in markets that are served by cable. Brian -Original Message- From: Fred Goldstein [mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:42 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever At 7/29/2010 08:01 AM, Brian wrote: Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions. As I mentioned, the 75% rule only applies to wireline providers (i.e., cable), so mapping WISP coverage buys nothing. The Boucher-Terry bill has nothing in it to help WISPs and plenty to hurt them, including a rather high tax to support your competitors. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I cant even try to figure it out. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
That is called taxes...and we are about to see what it really costs. Just wait until next year. Cameron On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Health Insurance? Hey, George! (In Canada) What kind of budget to you have for health insurance? Me- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bret Clark *Sent:* Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:56 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance We went through an independent broker who essentially had created a small business group plan of area businesses that help keep cost down verses us going to the insurer ourselves. Another thing to consider is Health Savings Accounts (HSA) which are a lot less then regular health insurance but at least affords some piece of mind for employees in the event they are faced with a serious medical or health issue. Bret On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 19:07 -0400, David Weddell wrote: I know that we are constantly battling pricing in health insurance. We would be interested in how we could participate in a “WISPA” group plan and with 60+ employees and families that we cover, you can imagine our monthly premium. I would assume that in an association plan, the more that participate, the better rates could be negotiated. We would be interested in helping with negotiations if needed. I believe this is a great idea and could benefit WISPA as a whole and encourage membership as well. Regards, David Weddell VP Business Development Corporate Partnerships Omnicity, Inc. www.omnicity.net OTCMarkets: OMCY 866 586 1518 Corporate Office 765 499 7310 Cell *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:40 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com *Subject:* [WISPA Members] Health Insurance I am curious about all the small operators out there. What are you doing for Health Insurance? Do you have individual policies? Are you on your wife’s policy? Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan? I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks. I will most likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an underwriter and see what the feasibility is. Between now and then, I would like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort. My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or themselves. Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] choosing a consultant -was- Re: OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Gotta love the free ads...but hey, when you're good you're good. More power to you Butch. Cameron On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: roflol I'm glad I'm not the only one that does silly things from time to time! Having said that let me drift this conversation a little bit. What are the reasons to use a consultant? For me it's mainly two fold. 1: I can hire the best in the field. I'm not stuck with what talents I've got. I'm also not stuck with someone that needs to know a lot about a lot of things. A consultant will often be a specialist in a fairly narrow field. ex: I can't tell you how to handle routing, but if you want to take radios, routers, servers etc. and combine those with some hard work and a potential customer base I can help you turn that into cashflow and, usually, profit. 2: Having access to more than one expert. If I had taken the time to learn servers, routers etc. or if I'd have hired a guy who's main, or even only, job it is to take care of those devices I'd be beholden to that one person. If they quit, got fired, died or whatever I'd be stuck for however long it took to find a replacement and train the new guy. With a consultant it's not much more complicated than picking up the phone and calling another consultant. Having said that I use Butch a lot. He's busy so the rest of you guys go find your own expert! grin Personally I don't know anyone that does as good of a job of working on the devices and has the patience to deal with my ignorance of that part of my business. The great part of it is that I *can* pick up the phone and call any of 3 or 4 others that also know how to do what Butch does for me. My choice today is to use Butch, but it's certainly nice to know I have options. It's up to Butch to make sure I never feel the need to develop a relationship with anyone else. How do others look at in-house vs. consultant workers? marlon - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I agree with Josh's comment. Butch has been the first and last MikroTik consultant we've needed. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Bryant Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I second Butch as a personal recommendation. We haven't had to use him much, but he has always had great recommendations for questions I have asked on the list as well as questions I wanted to ask and someone else beat me to it. Also, his QOS script for RouterOS is pretty good as well! On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I do see Butch's point. Need to relax on the wording. My personal recommendation is to use Butch as he is the first and last consultant I have needed. On Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Oooo! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Alan Bryant | Systems Administrator Gtek Computers Wireless, LLC. a...@gtekcommunications.com | www.gtek.biz O 361-777-1400 | F 361-777-1405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
How long is temporary? On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: If it's a Mikrotik link you can do it right in the radio. What equipment are you using? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:30 PM, KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: I need a cheap / easy app to monitor a temporary link setup. Must be able to monitor and Email / Txt me if there are any outages... Preferably Windows based, as I don't have time to do this one myself. What are you guys running? Thanks, Gary. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
It has little to do with Butch specifically. It's the fact we have an entire thread dedicated to this, what I consider, tiny little issue. I will stand alone in this. I was only imagining that I wasn't alone, I apologize for speaking for others. I ask that everyone think for themselves. What you (Forbes and Dennis in this particular thread, I'm assuming others are part of this group) are stating is that no one can say I can help. We can either A) learn to work together B) clearly define the rules; I believe this is impossible C) separate WISPA from the public; members only are in memb...@wispa.org; close down every other mailing list I have always been of a GNU mind set. I help people for free. People help me for free. Obviously there has to be a line drawn. Maybe another way we can look at this is Butch is helping the WISP community and by proxy the WISPA entity. I think helping starving people is more important then worrying about who has the bigger slice of pizza. I understand completely what you're saying. It isn't fair one is paying for what the other isn't and getting the same results. Neither is life. We can pout or cooperate. Not sure if you were around for this but look up I QUIT. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: Josh, Sorry but that email was out of line, why would you take the we'll take our Butch fans and leave attitude? it's totally against what we have all worked for in improving conditions for WISP's and access to our paid vendors. The first thing Dennis did was go on the Board list and announce it was his opinion and not as the board member and he would abstain from any board action if any was taken. I'm always irritated when people make grand stands over something when they know it's not really right. Yes I'm a fan of Butch's, I don't doubt for one second his qualifications, I'm also a fan of the rules that apply to everyone and if someone was a board member years ago but didn't support WISPA in the capacity they were representing now that is as violating to me as someone saying something bad about Butch. We have numerous camps in this group because people contribute a lot on here, I even say that you have been active enough to have a Josh camp of supporters. It shows a lack of that leadership expected of your followers to say if this group wants to play by the rules we all signed up for, we're outta here. If Butch has made at least $1000 in revenue while promoting his business on here, which I'm sure he has, shouldn't you be asking why do I have to pay my share and he doesn't? I'm just asking. The Regional Meeting provided great unity so when someone just willy-nilly says I speak for many of us blah blah lets fly this rules following group if they disagree with me at all! I ask do you even get WISPA? It's just sad because this group has made me plenty mad on occasion but I can easily see how WISPA has assisted my business and the entire industry. How many customers have said I'm leaving you and taking my friends with me, I lose maybe one or two people because of them but eventually they come back because my service is far better than my satellite competition, see the correlation. Forbes On 7/29/2010 8:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:36 -0400, Jerry Richardson wrote: I was under the assumption that in order to advertise services on the lists one needed to be a paying vendor member. FIRST: I did not advertise my services. I simply answered a question that was asked. Anyone who reads the original question and my answer will see that my answer was much more than an advertisement. SECOND: I agree with the presumption that advertisements should be paid for. The fact is, though, that is has LONG been an accepted practice to answer questions and offer solutions. I had a solution to the question, which I posted. In context, the alleged advertisement was a small portion of the answer. My record of offering free advice on this (and MANY other lists) will support my contention that I do NOT use every opportunity to advertise. I provide good advice (for free), complete answers where possible and occasionally (VERY RARE) I post a solution that will require a payment. THIRD: Can we please just drop this? I inadvertently posted this response on the list and it was meant to be offlist (see the subject). It should be clear to all who read my message (whether you are a Butch fan or a Dennis and Jim fan) that the current discussion was not intended to be a public discussion. FINALLY: This thread has seriously deteriorated into something that is of no help to Paul, who posted a reasonable question. I will no longer participate in this thread. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting
While not really a training event, I've been to every US MUM in the last 4 years and always found it productive and informative. I'd personally put it on par with last weeks Wispa Regional in StLouis. The ones I've been to were about the same in size and while the topics were not as diverse, I certainly learned quite a bit. I guess if you are not a MT user/fan then you are wasting your time, but otherwise, it is a good thing. Cameron On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Jim Patient sa...@jeffcosoho.com wrote: Paul, I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. www.linktechs.net is a vendor member and provides Mikrotik certification training. WISPA vendor members help in providing financial support for WISPA and it's efforts in promoting our industry. You can find a list of other WISPA vendor members at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=131 Jim On 7/28/2010 11:41 AM, Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 09:24 -0700, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? I'm thinking of going this year, curious what to expect. I've integrated mikrotik into our production network and so far it's working well, be nice to have a little official training though. I have a training class scheduled for next week (see http://store.wispgear.net/ for details). Mikrotik's official training (from the reviews I've seen) don't get very good reviews, due to the difficulty people have in understanding what they are saying... As for the MUM, they are generally pretty good shows. I've never heard anyone say they were disappointed for having attended. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Water Tower grounding
I've only ever had one problem on a water tower and that was a direct strike to MY antenna, not the tower. I found the antenna on the ground, and all my radios were toast. That was before shielded cable made its way into my network. Cameron On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Patrick Wheeland p...@csinet.net wrote: Also, if you want to know proper grounding practices, try to get your hands on the Motorola R56 manual. I would imagine you can find the pdf floating on the web somewhere. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Patrick Wheeland Sent: Thu 7/29/2010 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower grounding If you've put in your own ground rod and not bonded it to the electrical ground, then you're doing more harm than good. That will create a ground potential difference and smoke your equipment. You absolutely must have all the grounds tied together. I would make sure the water tower, your grounding and the utility ground are all bonded together. -Patrick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Bobby Burrow Sent: Thu 7/29/2010 8:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower grounding Ok, since we have been talking grounding, what would be the proper grounding method for a 'typical' water tower (bowl with maintenance rail and ladder up the leg). I have a Canopy 900 AP with a vertical antenna mounted at the top using shielded CAT5 routed down the bowl and ladder. There is a NEMA at the bottom where the CMM-3 is located with a #10 wire to the ground rod at the bottom of the NEMA. I am 'feeding' this tower APs during the spring/summer stormy months. Are there any better methods to grounding this setup? Thanks in advance, Bobby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:29 -0500, Cameron Crum wrote: While not really a training event, I've been to every US MUM in the last 4 years and always found it productive and informative. 100% agreement from me. I'd personally put it on par with last weeks Wispa Regional in StLouis. I agree from the perspective of quality. In terms of usefulness, however, keep in mind that it has a much narrower focus (as you point out). I guess if you are not a MT user/fan then you are wasting your time, but otherwise, it is a good thing. While the MUM is pretty Mikrotik specific, there are often topics that would be of general interest, too. For the most part, you are right, though... -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
