Re: [WISPA] Customer Routers
Same here, We have dozens of them out in the field and I have one that we use with no issues. The only issue I have seen at all was with a Kindle that would drop every time the WPA2 key would refresh. So I am not sure if this was a kindle issue or MT issue. Chadd _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer Routers Interesting, mine has been running without a glitch at home since November, nothing fancy in the config, just a standard SOHO setup with one pptp VPN connection. On 04/26/2012 02:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Free one from Vegas died. Bought one and it reboots every few days. Not customer ready. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 26, 2012 3:19 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: Is anyone utilizing RB751's for this role? If so, are they reliable? I've thought about using them since they can easily be managed remotely by our staff via Webfig, or the API. -- Blake Covarrubias On Apr 26, 2012, at 11:40, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: We use TP-Link WR340G and can usually get them for about $20 shipped. Just a basic G router, but adequate for most customers/houses. We have over 100 in the field and only 1 bad one in about a year of using them. Used to use Linksys and Netgear, had 3-4 times the failure rate on those. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Darin Steffl dcsho...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, What are some of you providing for customer wireless routers if you include them in the install as I do? I currently have a batch of 10 Ubiquiti Air Routers and the first two I pulled out are giving me some problems. Could be a bad batch. I am also looking at TP-Link as they are about $30 on Amazon with external antennas and pretty good reviews. TP-Link TL-WR841N What are you guys using? -- Darin Steffl ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik RB411
How cold are you talking? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 12:42 PM To: Mikrotik discussions; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik RB411 I just wanted to take this opportunity to mention that the Mikrotik RB411 boards are pieces of crap.Half of the ones I have failed during the cold spell this last week and it turns out that lots of other people have had the same problems.It is very frustrating to see that not all of the hardware we use has moved out of the amateur stage yet when it comes to quality control and design. Glad I only ever bought ten of them. They will be getting replaced with something reliable real soon. FWIW, the 411AH boards I have in place have been just fine. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik RB411
Same here. Lightning takes out Ethernet sometimes but other than that they have been solid for us. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik RB411 We too have several hundred in the air in ARC cases here in northern MN, no issues. Ryan On Feb 5, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Matt... we have over 1,000 of the regular 411 boards in the air... including many point to point backhaul links. We saw temps down to -30F this last week and didn't have a single failure. Travis Microserv On 2/5/2011 11:41 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I just wanted to take this opportunity to mention that the Mikrotik RB411 boards are pieces of crap.Half of the ones I have failed during the cold spell this last week and it turns out that lots of other people have had the same problems.It is very frustrating to see that not all of the hardware we use has moved out of the amateur stage yet when it comes to quality control and design. Glad I only ever bought ten of them. They will be getting replaced with something reliable real soon. FWIW, the 411AH boards I have in place have been just fine. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Platypus Pricing Change / Free version
Chuck, I think I asked you this when we spoke on the phone a while back but do you have Plat tied back into your network through radius? Or were you waiting for V7 to come out? _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 1:21 PM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Platypus Pricing Change / Free version V7 is supposed to be released Monday, I talked to them on Friday about it. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Don't know but it would appear not yet.. Due in Jan I guess they are running late ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 1/29/2011 1:56 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: I's v7 out ? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 29, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net wrote: For those who may find this info useful. http://www.ispbilling.com/products/pricing.php Regards. -- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPPay Code 012 Declines
We haven't seen any declines through IP pay here but we use k-billing for credit card and virtual terminal for our ACH recurring payments. It seems kind of fishy that you can process them with VT but not your normal billing software. On a side note Virtual terminal does have recurring billing set up in it, you still have to manually tell it to run all the recurring charges but at least you don't have to do them individually. Chadd _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPPay Code 012 Declines Within Platypus the reports show the response codes from IPPay. They can also be viewed on the IPPay reporting website. This isn't just 1 customer, this is a list of customers... Accounting is asking me if we can add our AuthorizeNet merchant account to Platypus as well so that they do not have to manually process these cards. I'd prefer that IPPay just fix it. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't see the codes in PC but might on the reporting website, that where you see them? Only complaint we have is the one customer that can't be charged with a recurring transaction. On Jan 20, 2011 11:24 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I am wondering how many people out there are getting Code 012 Declines with their IPPay account? We are using Platypus, and all of the C012 Declines are able to be processed through the Virtual Terminal. Our customer calls the bank and is told, they are processing using an Adult Recurring Billing method, which is normally blocked on all accounts. IPPay says that the new bank that acquired these cards is handling it wrong and does not have an ETA for a fix. It has seemed to have happened with all Kroger MasterCards. Having to go through and manually process these accounts is starting to get to be a pain in the a$$. Our customers do not want to change credit cards. All of this seems like a crock, I know I am able to process them with AuthorizeNet automatic recurring billing. Has anyone else figured out a workaround for this? Regards, Chuck WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
As noisy as 2.4 is anymore I don't see how you could run both chains to begin with. I never realized that you couldn't turn one off. It does seem like a glaring issue to me. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna Yep. An afterthought hardware workaround. Thought the same thing but messy. Would be slick to redirect the energy with a click of the mouse through the firmware. Was suggested early on during the beta tests but was dismissed by those who were blinded by the glory. It just makes logical sense to be able to easily switch off a chain. Crazy, man. Just crazy.. Heck, I can turn off one antenna in a nothing Wal-Mart wireless router -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 9:03 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna At the AirMax conference, I think someone from Ubiquiti said you could put a couple of 50ohm 30dB attenuators on one chain to externally disable it. -Kristian On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 20:05 -0500, Robert West wrote: Well, the math says that since I've been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks, 3 of these would only equal 510 plus tax. The difference would pay for shipping easily. The bonus, hard to say it, but it's the single polarity. With a 5.8 system it's important to me to be able to separate polarity between the backhaul and the AP. Man, I really wish UBNT would have the firmware option to turn off one chain on the Rockets Who has a network that needs to deliver 300mbps (in a perfect world) to the customer? These look good. Who is stocking them? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna First time with my eyes. Looks impressive though. Design reminds me of an old Andrews configuration except for that bonus Mechanical slide that the Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition. I really like the 130 degree beam width which would fix my issues with the 120 degree UBNT sectors not quite getting there. Hm.. What are the price points on these dudes? Me- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna any experience with these? Any good? http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf __ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3358 - Release Date: 01/04/11 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works
Bingo! _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 9:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works Actually, the reality is, all the cash gets spent at Wal-Mart and ends up in China. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 10:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works #1: The hooker doesnt get to keep the $100 because her pimp took 90% of it. #2: The pimp ends up blowing it on his drug habit. #3: The drug dealer spends it on the hooker, back to the pimp, now we're stuck in a endless loop! Comments: A) The motel owner had no business stealing the $100 from the rich tourist. B) Nobody benefits except the pimp and drug dealer so further down goes the neighborhood and the optimism with it. C) This is a perfect example of what is wrong with debt. D) The ends never justify the means. *If that's how stimulus works, then I want no part of it! On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com wrote: MDK- just for you. :-} -Or It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall, and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is living on credit. A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel, lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs before selecting one for the night. 1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher. 2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to the pig farmer. 3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his supplier, the Farmer's Co-op. 4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her services on credit. 5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel owner. 6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the rich traveler will not suspect anything. At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves town. No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Stimulus works. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Flaky connection
My first guess would be local noise on the CPE end. Second would be a hardware issue. _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flaky connection I have used that, but not here. It is not an IP issue, the radios drop association due to excessive errors, per the CPE. I have never seen the AP drop the link in the log. On 12/18/2010 7:57 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: Josh hit the nail on the head... See what else in going on @ the CPE. Also - have you folks started using MTR instead of ping? MTR is like a traceroute on steroids In short - it combines the functionality of the traceroute tool and ping application together :-) It shows you packet loss across the path in real time very simple to use - but a command line tool mtr ip ie mtr 192.168.134.2 http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ On Dec 18, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Ping across, see if it works all the time. See where the issue is first. On Dec 18, 2010 6:28 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: I have a new customer that is giving us fits. AP and CPE are both RouterOS with SR9. 11 Clients on the AP, this is the only one with problems. I checked it several times today and it was running signal strength -65 both ways and CCQ was always above 90, often saw 100. Customer said the performance was great. I called at dusk to say it quit working. It did not work over night last night, either. It will now connect with signals in the mid-60s and CCQ in the 70s. Never stays linked more than 15 seconds. Takes about 2 seconds for it to come back. The rest of the client radios are staying connected just fine. Signals from -56 to -72. CCQs are all 75+ when there is traffic on the link. Any suggestions? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/ (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principal | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP
I am far from a Mikrotik guru but from what I know you would need to assign private IP's to your network to be able to do this as a fail over or as load balancing without BGP. I don't know of any DSL providers who will do BGP. Chadd -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP I would want to maintain basic surfing and VoIP traffic. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: We do this today with Mikrotik routers. Don't need the bgp part of it for just a backup service. Pretty sure this 'wont' work without BGP if you want your clients public IP's to be directly accessable. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iBoot
I used a few of these several years ago out of necessity back when I was using buggy trango Link 10's that had a time based luckup problem. Well they worked pretty good for a while but I noticed that they kept stealing the IP address of the server that I was pinging for the keep alive ping and causing all sorts of problems. I ended up trashing them because of it, they may have gotten this fixed since then though. I guess what I am getting at is that you make check to see this isn't why you can't get into the web interface. Make sure it hasn't stole an IP address from something else. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] iBoot Anyone having Dataprobe's iBoot single outlet version, have any problem after sometime accessing it through it's web interface, which is it's only method of access. I do of course, now it still seems to reboot the non-responsive pinged device, but still can't access it after sometime. Dataprobe seems to think that it is already being accessed, but I have it on a private ip address and not a 192.168.x.x and I know I am not accessing it. Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2666 - Release Date: 02/03/10 19:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far
Just curious but how will this work out for you guys in the end? Is it going to just give you guys access to middle mile facilities or is it going to give you access to wholesale fiber to the home? The way I see it is in our area if the rural areas ever get FTH most of us out here are done because there just is no way to compete with fiber in the wireless world. I wouldn't see anything good coming out of a government funded FTH project in IL for the small ISP's. Now if it was just middle mile facilities that the ISP's could hook into then yeah it would provide a future for us. Chadd -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] stimulus announcements thus far It's a mix of miracles, talent, and deparation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
We use IP pay as well. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Sounds like an overwhelming consensus here. I'm glad I asked. Thanks, guys. The last time I had a company quote me fees they wouldn't put it in writing. Red flag on that one. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Ip pay. Call CTI. On 12/12/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: IP Pay and no, they're a completely different animal, which is what causes me to like them better. Their parent is CTI, which is a vendor member. They have a virtual terminal as well as support for several different billing systems and traditional terminals as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.102/2556 - Release Date: 12/12/09 07:38:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
How is Nstreme working now days? I have not tried it on anything except PTP for a few years now. The last time I tried it on an AP it was pretty rough. Latency was very unstable and throughput wasn't all that great. I had read that there was a new version in the test package a while back but never got around to trying it again. Chadd -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:20 AM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 04:25 +, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Tell that to Alvarion. Or Mikrotik for that matter. Nstreme != 802.11 -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.88/2537 - Release Date: 11/30/09 21:05:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
I will have to give our account rep a call then. This pricing was from Jan of this year. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Rick Kunze Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN They're close to 1/2 that now. Rk On 3/17/2009 8:22 PM, Chadd Thompson wrote: Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial DS3. 10mb: $4300 20mb: $4788 30mb: $5300 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2009 - Release Date: 03/18/09 07:17:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial DS3. 10mb: $4300 20mb: $4788 30mb: $5300 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I won't say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k. The provider must always provide you with IPs, assuming you meet justification. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Richey myli...@battleop.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN /rant on Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market where it's not cost effective to multi home. Where many people might get a DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month. For those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in the beginning. If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will give you an allocation. I have had problems in the past with a similar situation where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to allocate any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN. ARIN would not do anything until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem. The policy should be different for an ISP. If you are a small ISP multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22. It makes it hard for the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks are non portable. /rant off Richey -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Olle Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days or they could revoke my IP's. Would they allot a /20 in the case you are only using 4 class Cs? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP. Scott - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if you are not, then you will need to justify a /20 ( 16 class C's) John Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We probably need to get our own ip addys now. We're using 4 class c's and will need more pretty soon in one location. Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process? marlon -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA
Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Been there done that. We were getting double billed for about 8 months because they didn't remove our billing on some old circuits after they forced us to upgrade from the old SBC network. We paid it for a few months because our account rep said it would be fixed and they would credit our account for what we over paid. Well they didn't get it fixed and we stopped paying it, our account rep assured us it was nothing to worry about and that it would be taken care of. Well 8 months later the ATT collections dept was calling me saying they were going to turn us over to an outside collection agency. A quick call to my account rep and then one to the IL commerce commission had the problem taken care of in about 2 weeks. Sounds like you have had similar issues with them but you have no idea how much grief ATT/SBC has caused me over the last 6 yrs we have been in business. I wish I could get away from them but at this point in time no one seems to be able to help us out down here. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Of course, they'll bill you 10 times that and never fix their billing issues! -RickG On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Chadd Thompson chad...@msn.com wrote: Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial DS3. 10mb: $4300 20mb: $4788 30mb: $5300 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I won't say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k. The provider must always provide you with IPs, assuming you meet justification. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Richey myli...@battleop.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN /rant on Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market where it's not cost effective to multi home. Where many people might get a DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month. For those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in the beginning. If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will give you an allocation. I have had problems in the past with a similar situation where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to allocate any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN. ARIN would not do anything until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem. The policy should be different for an ISP. If you are a small ISP multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22. It makes it hard for the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks are non portable. /rant off Richey -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Olle Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days or they could revoke my IP's. Would they allot a /20 in the case you are only using 4 class Cs? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP. Scott - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if you are not, then you will need to justify a /20 ( 16 class C's) John Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We probably need to get our own ip addys now. We're using 4 class c's and will need more pretty soon in one location. Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process? marlon -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
Re: [WISPA] Insurance
I have not heard anything from Chubb indicating this. Are they not taking new customers or getting rid of existing ones also? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them. I used Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more questions. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] strange connectivity issues
Marlon, Sound like you covered all your bases here but here is my .02 worth. I have had issues like this in the past and it has always been related to one of three things. 1. If it is a new hookup from dialup or SAT usually it is some sort of a proxy issue, either proxy is enabled in internet explorer settings or there is a third party app installed for the dialup/sat. I had to reformat a PC one time because I couldn't get a clean uninstall of Directway's proxy software. 2. Mcaffee or Norton Virus/internet security is installed tyring to make sure that it stays installed on the PC and kept up to date. I have seen both programs totally hose a PC with the same issues you are describing. One of the first things I do on a PC with either of these to programs is uninstall it if it will let you and install AVG Antivirus and AVG anitspyware or MS defender. 3. There is a virus and or spyware on the PC. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:35 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] strange connectivity issues I've had some very strange things happen of late. Wed. I hooked up a new customer. Couldn't get their system to work but my laptop did. I told them to call MacAfee and see if they could figure out what was blocking things. They ended up taking the computer to a friend's house, hooking it up to a dsl connection via a router and it worked just fine. Why would it not work via static ip but would via dhcp? Yesterday I did a Vista setup. It would connect to the wireless router just fine but would not get to the internet. I finally went into IE options and set all of them back to the defaults. What BS would have been in IE that would have told it to not use the established network connection? There were no proxy's set up either. Worked with the same router and wildblue sat. connection. I changed the wireless network name and local ip addy. Nothing else changed. It still says that the DNS suffix is wildblue.net. I can't find that anywhere in the machine. Oh yeah, the machine had both IE and firefox, neither worked. Vista is a disaster. Crappy interface. Hides everything in strange places and in non intuitive fashion. Today I get an email from a customer that can email but IE won't work. This one's dialup. Anyone else seeing strange stuff like this? Is there some bizarre windows update or virus program that's messing things up? Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/817 - Release Date: 5/24/2007 4:01 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Credit Card Processing
Doesn't paypal charge a pretty hefty transaction fee when accepting payments with this type of account? Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:10 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Credit Card Processing Paypal has a free business member account with no monthly charge. You can put links to different charge amounts on a web page for people to use or you can enter the charges yourself. Its like a virtual terminal but not exactly. If you want that, it will cost you 20 bucks a month but you really don't need it. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Credit Card Processing Does anyone know of someone that'll do credit card processing with a virtual terminal, but has no or a very low monthly fee? I don't have much credit card demand, so paying $20/month for that right would be kinda silly. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
Please don't take this in a negative tone because it is not meant to be, I know it is hard to judge tone through an email. It astounds me that you would make the statement above but not understand why it is your obligation to pay the $25 a month it costs to pay your part. If you cannot pay $25 a month for the things we are doing then you are not seeing the bigger picture. You cannot afford not to pay your dues. I have saved several times more than I pay in dues with what I get from WISPA. If you don't then you have simply not looked at what we are offering.. I really don't know what WISPA is offering members as far as benefits. I am looking at the WISPA web site as I type this. There is nothing on the web site indicating what WISPA is doing and or has done since it has been around. I may not be looking in the right place on the web site but all I see is some general news. To get members you have to show people what the value is to join. Again I know people are working on stuff in tbe background but what? Maybe once someone joins they have access to different lists or a different place on the WEB site that shows more of whats going on. I guess my point here is that in my opinion WISPA needs to do a better job of selling it self, showing what it's doing and what it has done for our industry. So $25 per month is a deal breaker? Maybe you need a stronger association to work to find ways of making you more money. Then again if you cannot see the value then why would you join? Again see my comments above, I really don't know what the value of WISPA is, please exlpain to me what the benefits of membership are. I am not a WISPA member and I don't consider myself a freeloader here. If I give input to one person a month on a problem they are having I have pulled my weight. Sorry. That is not enough. We need dues to do the work of what needs to be done in WISPA. We all help each other on the lists. That goes both ways You never get help from people on the lists? Yes I get help from others on the list. This was more of a reply to indicate that normal interaction on the freelist should justify ones being there and that as long as there is back and fourth assistance then someone is pulling thier weight as far as the freelist goes. That does not help lobby for change in regulatory or legislative efforts. I work for free as basically an executive director for this organization, Marlon works for free basically as a lobbyist. Rick Harnish runs 60 list servers for free. Matt Larsen runs the WISPA website. Do you think we do this so we can get an attaboy? We do this to help guys like you. We won't be here doing it for free forever. Who does the heavy lifting if we all decided to do it your way? Who pays the bills then? What has and what is WISPA lobbying for? What has WISPA successfully lobbied for? As I have mentioned before, everytime I get ready to open up the wallet to join crap like this comes up and makes me wonder if it is a good investment. Talk of free listserver members being freeloaders and not supporting the org is sure as hell not a good way to drive up membership. What is the feel good way for us to convince you that the $3000 worth of free legal help we gave out for CALEA is worth the $250 a year? That is just one thing WISPA has done for WISPs lately. We constantly work to help. If you cannot see it then you just are not paying enough attention to what we do for you guys here. Scriv I am sorry but as I mentioned above I can not see from the outside what WISPA is doing or has going on. Maybe I am not paying close enough attention, I don't know. As far as a feel good way that I would be getting my $$ worth, for one thing I think that seeing that the code of ethics was being upheld as defined for the org would be a good starter. ARTICLE II We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our industry and enhance its reputation. ARTICLE III We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor. ARTICLE IV We will strive to broaden public understanding and enhance public regard and confidence in our Industry. ) Not disparage other members by statement or innuendo to clients or prospective clients. Looking from the outside it doesn't always appear that the ORG is able to uphold the code of ethics. This is mainly based off of discussions held on the freelist. I see comments from members, officers of the ORG that I feel do not uphold the above listed items from the code of ethics. Again please read this as an outsider looking in, trying to understand what WISPA has going on or as done for our industry and what the value is for me to join. I am not saying WISPA is not doing or has not done anything for our industry. I just need some help understanding. Thanks, Chadd Thompson
RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
Butch, Thanks for taking the time to reply with a well thought out professional response to my questions. Those are just 2 examples, both of which were posted right here on this free list. Sorry if what I was asking didn't come across the correct way. I am not worried about the monetary value of what membership gives, that information has been well advertised. There seems to be great support from vendors and such to WISPA members. Looking from the outside it doesn't always appear that the ORG is able to uphold the code of ethics. This is mainly based off of discussions held on the freelist. I see comments from members, officers of the ORG that I feel do not uphold the above listed items from the code of ethics. I'd really like to understand what you see that makes this a true statement. Just read some of the responses to this discussion that has been going on. I think it is pretty obvious. Or if its not maybe I am reading more into comments than I should be, if thats the case I apologize as I mentioned in my previous post it is very difficult to interpret someones tone when reading an email. Here is a quote that I take as being non professional and I definalty don't think comments like this do anything to support WISPA, our industry and in my opinion do nothing to add any credibility to WISP's in general. Quote You've got this backward Peter. The question is, what value to they bring to WISPA? Unquote. I am not gonna sell you the organization. But I will work on answering this a little. 1. WISPA is right now working on a standard that will make CALEA safe harbor VERY INEXPENSIVE for WISPs. Not just members. This is an INDUSTRY solution. Does WISPA seek input from members when dealing with issues like this? Or is everything decided by a group of officers? In other words how does the ORG run on a day to day basis, how are decisions made, how does it decide what battles to fight, how does it determine what stance to take on issues? 2. WISPA has been urging WISPs to file the 477 forms, which is important because it will make us, as an industry, a larger portion of the broadband deployment in the US (statistically) as far as the government is concerned. Why is this important? Besides being the law, government is working to insure that every American has access to broadband. If we are providing that service in an area and they don't know about it, they will still work on a way to get that access available. 3. WISPA has urged (on several occasions) WISPs to file comments on various spectrum issues that would be beneficial to WISPs. WISPA has (as an organization) filed comments as well. Because we don't have the $$ to hire a lobby, this is the best effort in this regard. Now it's time to ask YOU what YOU have done for our industry. Have you filed comments on the issues that will impact your business? For the most part, over the past couple of years WISPA has. Have you filed your 477? Yes I have been sending in our 477 since it came out. Tincans Wireless Internet Yes I have commented on issues to the FCC with regards our industry. Some I have heard about on this list and some I have heard about elsewhere. If you're not going to join, then just don't join. Stop making excuses about what are you doing...You claim to be on the list since the beginning and you can't see what's been happening? What advantage does WISPA offer you? Give me a break. WISPA has done a LOT, considering the $$ that they have to work with. Either join or don't, but stop acting as though you need to be sold because you can't find anything on the website giving you what the value of WISPA is. FWIW, I do agree that WISPA needs to do a better job of selling itself on the website, but the point (in your case) is that you are just using it as an excuse, IMO. Again Butch thanks for taking the time to respond in a professional, productive manner. I am sure it looks as if I am making excuses not to join, but if that was the case I wouldn't be here to begin with, it would not be worth my energy/time if I was not truly intersted in joining and supporting WISPA. I just have questions about how the ORG operates on a day to day basis, how decisions are made, where does the average joe fit in, etc etc. Thanks, Chadd Thompson -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
I will say this though - if you aren't a member, how do you have a say in what the Org does? Because the org is speaking on the behalf of all WISPS not just WISPA members. If the org is speaking on the behalf of all WISPS then all WISPS should be able to have some input on what is being taken to the table, member or not. I offered to help with whatever I could when WISPA started, but I was never taken up on my offer of time. We my wife and I have been in business for over four years now and have just now gotten to the point that I could quit my Day job and focus on our business. So yes the money is a big deal to some companies out there. I am not a WISPA member and I don't consider myself a freeloader here. If I give input to one person a month on a problem they are having I have pulled my weight. As I have mentioned before, everytime I get ready to open up the wallet to join crap like this comes up and makes me wonder if it is a good investment. Talk of free listserver members being freeloaders and not supporting the org is sure as hell not a good way to drive up membership. Thanks, Chadd Thompson -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
You want to help the guy or poke him with a stick? :O) Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
I kind of thought the same thing, but thought he may be poking fun at him or something. I have been planning on joining WISPA this year once I can scrape up the $$ to do it but with the recent bashing of certified/non-certified solutions I am not sure it is where I want to spend my money. I have a mixed network of certified and non-certified equipment as does everyone operating in our area. One of the draws for me to join WISPA was the recent discussion of WISPA heading up a program to try to get some of the more common non-certified solutions certified. I have looked into getting my own equipment certified but if this is something that WISPA is going to do I would definitely rather spend my money to support WISPA in its efforts. Does anyone know where WISPA is at on this project and if it is moving forward? Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup On Tue, 1 May 2007, Dawn DiPietro wrote: I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Why would you assume otherwise? This is a bit contentious isn't it? -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Trango 900
Sounds about right, the other thing with higher noise levels is that you will have packet loss. You can still have good throughput but you will have packet loss. Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango 900 depending on noise floor, we get anywhere from 1 to 2.7 meg. Highest I've EVER seen was 2.85 mbps - 2 miles out, with -59 signal. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Trango 900 What is the non-vendor speak, actual production max throughput on a Trango 900 Mhz AP? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Trango 900
Yes the noise will definitely reduce the capacity on your AP. Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 900 ... and packet loss requires the packets to be retransmitted which takes up additional timeslots which leads to a lowering of the overall throughput capacity because some of the throughput-carrying timeslots are used up by the retransmissions and therefore aren't available to transport throughput ... Chadd Thompson wrote: Sounds about right, the other thing with higher noise levels is that you will have packet loss. You can still have good throughput but you will have packet loss. Chadd -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help
My advise is to stay away from it if you can. The noise in most areas is horrible, and I have not seen any gear yet that can deal with it. I have some customers running on it still but any chance I get I take users off 900 and put them on 2.4 or 5.8. The equipment is expensive the antennas are huge. etc etc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Stout Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help Folks, I'm just entering into the 900MHz space and would appreciate any advice on channel selection and channel width settings. TIA, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/751 - Release Date: 4/7/2007 10:57 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help
Im experience it depends on what you consider works. If you consider being able to transfer a decent amount of data with 5% packet loss working then yeah it works, if you have anything that is latency sensitive then no it doesn't work well in noisy environments. Our area is noisy on both H and V pol so I am not able to avoid the noise and it clobbers my Trango 900. As I mentioned in my previous post I am moving as many as my customers off 900 as I can and I have not done any new 900 installs for quite sometime. Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help I agree with Mac. Trango 900mhz just works. Travis Mac Dearman wrote: Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Mac, What 900 MHz gear do you use? 100% Trango :-P The dual electrically selectable polarity and their reliability just keep me coming back to them! Mac -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/751 - Release Date: 4/7/2007 10:57 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress
Scriv, I use the tape-tape-tape method. First I wrap the connection very tight with a high quality electrical tape like 3M super88, then I wrap a layer of self sealing rubber tape 3M brand also, then a final layer of 3M super88. You need to make sure your wraps are tight. Also make sure that adhesive lined heat shrink is being used on your cables. You also need to make sure you are wrapping your tape correctly so that the overlap on the tape is correct. For example if you have a connector/cable that runs up and down you want to wrap your tape from bottom to top, not top to bottom this lets the water shed over your wrap similar to shingles on a house rather then running into the wrap. This is what I do and knock on wood I have not had water get into a cable in the 4 years I have been doing this. Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress I would like a bit of feedback from those of you who have been installing outdoor antennas for a while. I have a problem that I would like to see fixed. It seems that after every long rain we see problems with the occasional connection outside at the antenna getting water into it. We use the Scotch seal mastic tape to seal the connections. The guys do not like having to climb and they work hard to try to make sure we do not get these problems and yet they come back. I would like to hear what you veterans out there are doing to make sure the water stays out. Thanks, Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress
Forgot to mention a side benefit do doing it this way is that I don't have to deal with mastic if I need to swap something out in the future. Usually I can unwrap the connection with little trouble, otherwise I slit it with a razor knife then peal it of nice and clean. Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:45 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress Scriv, I use the tape-tape-tape method. First I wrap the connection very tight with a high quality electrical tape like 3M super88, then I wrap a layer of self sealing rubber tape 3M brand also, then a final layer of 3M super88. You need to make sure your wraps are tight. Also make sure that adhesive lined heat shrink is being used on your cables. You also need to make sure you are wrapping your tape correctly so that the overlap on the tape is correct. For example if you have a connector/cable that runs up and down you want to wrap your tape from bottom to top, not top to bottom this lets the water shed over your wrap similar to shingles on a house rather then running into the wrap. This is what I do and knock on wood I have not had water get into a cable in the 4 years I have been doing this. Chadd -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces
Agreed.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Well, either way, if it's an ap that talks to more than one client, it's max eirp is 4 watts. 36dB laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:00 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces Sorry, The signal was in the -70's not right at -70. It was mid to upper -70's from what I figured up they were putting out around 43dBm EIRP. I could also see the SSID of the AP so I know what town it was located in and it was/is a sectorized POP that would be around 30dBm radio input to a 14-15dBi antenna or a 26dBm radio input to a 17-18dBi antenna. Thanks, Chadd That's 4 watts. At 39 dB you'd be at 8 watts. At 40 it would be around 10 watts. Are you SURE that the remote tower you're seeing at -70 is really 20 miles out? To pick that up with a -70 rssi from a 9 dB antenna would require an amazing amount of power. It was very common for a long time to see Hyperlink and a couple of other amp manufacturers sell 1 watt amps (30 dB) and 15 dB omni antennas. Even with that config I show an rssi of -76. I guess they could be running a 2 watt amp and a 18 dB panel of some kind. But I'd find that very unusual. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces
Yes 36 dBm. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Am I missing something, or is 36 dBm EIRP our limit? On 2/7/07, Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chadd, I did some checking, and I found I have eight towers within 10 miles of your north tower at your house, and five towers within 10 miles of your Carlyle pop. You are at the edge of our coverage area, and I haven't had the opportunity to meet with you yet. I would be interested in finding more about this illegal AP in our mutual area. I run all of my pops at 40db or less, so I know it is not one of mine. I have had suspicions about some of our competitors, but I am not aware of any of them being active on the lists. Maybe we should get together for lunch sometime. Call me anytime. -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces
Sorry, The signal was in the -70's not right at -70. It was mid to upper -70's from what I figured up they were putting out around 43dBm EIRP. I could also see the SSID of the AP so I know what town it was located in and it was/is a sectorized POP that would be around 30dBm radio input to a 14-15dBi antenna or a 26dBm radio input to a 17-18dBi antenna. Thanks, Chadd That's 4 watts. At 39 dB you'd be at 8 watts. At 40 it would be around 10 watts. Are you SURE that the remote tower you're seeing at -70 is really 20 miles out? To pick that up with a -70 rssi from a 9 dB antenna would require an amazing amount of power. It was very common for a long time to see Hyperlink and a couple of other amp manufacturers sell 1 watt amps (30 dB) and 15 dB omni antennas. Even with that config I show an rssi of -76. I guess they could be running a 2 watt amp and a 18 dB panel of some kind. But I'd find that very unusual. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces
In our area So IL/metro St.Louis there are some large guys who are in no way shape or form legal, over power limits and the whole 9 yards. I can see other WISP Omni POP's with signal levels in the -70's from over 20 miles away using a 9dBi on my end, figure up what the EIRP on that is. The one in this case is a well know respected WISP that visits the popular lists, I always hope that he doesn't know that is going on and one of his guys is responsible but I have never taken the time to call them up and talk to them about it either. I don't know of any WISP's in this area about 10 that I know of including myself who are 100% legal when it comes to using only certified equipment. Most I think stay within power limits and equivalent antennas The other issue I see in our area is all the new start up WISP's who know nothing about the industry, the rules, networking, and don't know squat about RF. These guys are going to be our Achilles heal IMHO. There are too many vendors selling stuff and they are not concerned in the least bit whether the guys they are selling to know anything about Part15 rules. When I started four years ago it seemed like there were not near as many uncertified options as there are today so I came into the industry using certified equipment and knew what the rules were. It's too easy to buy 802.xx equipment throw it up on a pole and sell internet to a few users, more than likely they are not going to be successful but it still hurts everyone of us. I admit I am a glass half empty kind of guy, but I don't think there we are going to have any usable spectrum within the next one to two years because of stuff like this. Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces I agree that MOST wisps are likely compliant. Unfortuneately, it won't stay that way, if we let the industry slowly deteriorate and slide. I think compliance is a message that continually needs to be revisited, sorta like speed bumps. Its easy to not realize you are speeding, yet we all know where the speedometer is located. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] $20 'naked' DSL
Almost makes you want to close the doors on the rural market and let the FCC/Gov fund/force ATT or whoever to provide service in these underserved areas. It is going to get to the point where we are only going to be able to compete in areas where DSL/Cable is not available. I am not sure about the rest of you but there are not enough of those customers in our area to survive on that alone. It disgusts me anymore to see this type of stuff, well this and to see how many ISP's are getting huge amount of $$$ from the government to provide service in areas that are already served by one or more ISP's. One of our local ISP's has received a cash cow to deploy fiber over a good portion of Southern IL. I am surprised Scriv hasn't mentioned this as I think it is going to encroach on a few areas he currently serves. Kimmelman, for one, thinks ATT's new DSL pricing will help discipline broadband pricing. Once ATT's $19.95 rate for naked DSL is broadly available, other broadband providers, including cable, will be hard-pressed to keep hiding behind a higher price. They need to do something with ATT to get them to improve service and reduce cost for competing ISP's who are forced to either buy bandwidth from them or pay their outrageous local loop prices. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
Well I did a bit of searching on the trango support forums and found a thread of someone with a similar problem. Trango support made a recommendation to turn off the maclist filter off on the RU. I went a head and turned it off on the RU's, telnet in and issue maclist filter off command. I did this last night sometime and have not had any issues as of yet. Since last week sometime I was having to reboot the BH's twice a day or more. I will see what happens with it and if this doesn't do it I will let you guys know. Funny thing about this is that about a week ago I was thinking to myself damn those link 10's have ran good the last few years. I was an early adopter of the link 10 and had nothing but issues with them for the first 6 months or so after release, I felt like a beta tester. Once they fixed software bugs though they have ran well, until now that is. Problems like this make you realize how quickly and unexpectedly things can take a crap on you with little or no changes to your network. Thanks again for the help. Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 7:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Chadd, That is a Trango command and it does turn arp off. I have both worlds here - - bridged and routed and I have never had any of my TLink 10's to do that to me. I am not saying that's not your problem - I am just saying I have never had that issue. We have many more than 300 traversing Tlink10 backhauls today - - - What firmware are you running? Is there a certain time of the day things go awry? A certain temp? Is there a pps correlation? What is each Tlink plugged in to? Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Barber Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 12:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Mac, We tried that but it didn't totally resolve the issue. Chadd, I would guess it was around 100. Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost telnet: arp -bcast off Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Barber Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Chadd, We experienced similar issues when our network was entirely bridged. The root of the problem turned out to be the ARP table in the Trangos we were using as are primary BHs. Once the number of clients behind the Trangos exceeded a certain limit the ARP table gets corrupted. Trango does not have a fix for this issue. As a temporary fix you can set up a script to reset the ARP table in the Trangos on a regular basis. The command line for the 5800 and 5830 units is maclist reset. We have moved to a mostly routed network which has greatly reduced the number of MAC addresses seen by the Trangos. This fixed the problem. Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Sorry to cross post this guys but I am looking for suggestions and wasn't sure if everyone is on both lists. I have been having an intermittent problem the last few days. A few of my AP's and CPE's will stop responding. These are a mixture of brands, Trango, MT, Brilan, they are on different network segments, different frequencies. The strange thing that not all the radios on the segment will have problems only some, and even more odd is that an AP can stop responding but you can still access some of the CPE's associated with it and they will pass traffic fine. In any case a reboot of the backhaul that feeds each individual segment will bring them all back up again for a random amount of time. I have checked the BH links when things start going haywire and can't seem to find any issues, no oddball traffic, packets per second seem fine. Also my ARP tables seem to be fine when this happens, but I haven't tried to flush my ARP when I have the issue. Everything is currently and has been for 4 yrs bridged and it is getting to the point where I need to break down and start setting up routing at each of my POPs. I had thought it may be a bridge loop, but if that was the case I wouldn't think the segment would operate fine for a while after a Backhaul reboot. I am looking
[WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
Sorry to cross post this guys but I am looking for suggestions and wasn't sure if everyone is on both lists. I have been having an intermittent problem the last few days. A few of my AP's and CPE's will stop responding. These are a mixture of brands, Trango, MT, Brilan, they are on different network segments, different frequencies. The strange thing that not all the radios on the segment will have problems only some, and even more odd is that an AP can stop responding but you can still access some of the CPE's associated with it and they will pass traffic fine. In any case a reboot of the backhaul that feeds each individual segment will bring them all back up again for a random amount of time. I have checked the BH links when things start going haywire and can't seem to find any issues, no oddball traffic, packets per second seem fine. Also my ARP tables seem to be fine when this happens, but I haven't tried to flush my ARP when I have the issue. Everything is currently and has been for 4 yrs bridged and it is getting to the point where I need to break down and start setting up routing at each of my POPs. I had thought it may be a bridge loop, but if that was the case I wouldn't think the segment would operate fine for a while after a Backhaul reboot. I am looking for suggestions of other things I may/should be checking and or looking at. Thanks, Chadd -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
Sounds like this could be it. The backhauls are Trango link 10's do you happen to remember what the ARP limit was that you were having problems with? Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Todd Barber Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Chadd, We experienced similar issues when our network was entirely bridged. The root of the problem turned out to be the ARP table in the Trangos we were using as are primary BHs. Once the number of clients behind the Trangos exceeded a certain limit the ARP table gets corrupted. Trango does not have a fix for this issue. As a temporary fix you can set up a script to reset the ARP table in the Trangos on a regular basis. The command line for the 5800 and 5830 units is maclist reset. We have moved to a mostly routed network which has greatly reduced the number of MAC addresses seen by the Trangos. This fixed the problem. Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Sorry to cross post this guys but I am looking for suggestions and wasn't sure if everyone is on both lists. I have been having an intermittent problem the last few days. A few of my AP's and CPE's will stop responding. These are a mixture of brands, Trango, MT, Brilan, they are on different network segments, different frequencies. The strange thing that not all the radios on the segment will have problems only some, and even more odd is that an AP can stop responding but you can still access some of the CPE's associated with it and they will pass traffic fine. In any case a reboot of the backhaul that feeds each individual segment will bring them all back up again for a random amount of time. I have checked the BH links when things start going haywire and can't seem to find any issues, no oddball traffic, packets per second seem fine. Also my ARP tables seem to be fine when this happens, but I haven't tried to flush my ARP when I have the issue. Everything is currently and has been for 4 yrs bridged and it is getting to the point where I need to break down and start setting up routing at each of my POPs. I had thought it may be a bridge loop, but if that was the case I wouldn't think the segment would operate fine for a while after a Backhaul reboot. I am looking for suggestions of other things I may/should be checking and or looking at. Thanks, Chadd -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.25/593 - Release Date: 12/19/2006 1:17 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
Mac, Is this a trango command? I don't remember there being an arp command in the link10's Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost telnet: arp -bcast off Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Barber Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Chadd, We experienced similar issues when our network was entirely bridged. The root of the problem turned out to be the ARP table in the Trangos we were using as are primary BHs. Once the number of clients behind the Trangos exceeded a certain limit the ARP table gets corrupted. Trango does not have a fix for this issue. As a temporary fix you can set up a script to reset the ARP table in the Trangos on a regular basis. The command line for the 5800 and 5830 units is maclist reset. We have moved to a mostly routed network which has greatly reduced the number of MAC addresses seen by the Trangos. This fixed the problem. Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.24/592 - Release Date: 12/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT: sendmail question
Does anyone know if it is possible if you are hosting multiple domains on a single Sendmail server if you can restrict what local users can send and receive mail to a particular domain instead of everyone on the box being able to send and receive from all the domains being hosted? For example, You have a local user named bob and you have three domains that your server handles mail for, say yingyang.com, yoyo.com and jacks.com. You could send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] and they would all get to the local user bob. Is there anyway to restrict bob to only be able to receive and send on one of those particular domains instead of all three? I though that I had found something on this in the past but I have been googling for two days now and have come up with nothing. The only thing I have found is the virtual user table, but I would have to put an entry in there for each domain and each user to be able to do what I have described. If sendmail cant do this are there any other MTA's that can? Thanks. Chadd -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: sendmail question
Won't that still allow the user to receive mail for every domain on the server unless you go in for every user and specifically deny that particular address? Say you wanted bob to only be able to receive mail on yoyo.com and not yingyang.com or jacks.com. I would have to put entries in the virtual user table to exclude/deny the addresses of [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] that way the only email that could get through to bob would be [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any other way to do this? On a side note lately I have been having users get other users email. It is always a spam message and never a legitimate email but still has me boggled on how it is happening. I inspect the header information and it shows that it was came in on the server to the correct addressed user, but it ends up in a different mailbox. Any ideas on that? Thanks, Chadd The only thing I have found is the virtual user table, That is how you do it. Make a virtual user for the main account and then just forward the other email addresses to that account. Jeremy Davis -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS system
Yeah more power will fix it.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS system Get them a bigger antenna at that site so that they can have better coverage there. And/or put in a band pass filter for them. marlon - Original Message - From: chris cooper To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS system A rural water district cuts through the center of our network. Their automatic meter reading system operates on 916.5 at @ ½ db. They are having problems reading meters near one of our cells that sits 2 Mhz off them. That was the only slot available on that tower, so we cant really move without major disruption. Their system only works on 916.5 Has anyone had to work through this? If you have can you hit me offlist? Im interested in what compromise was worked out. Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] VOIP consultants?
Anyone know of any VOIP consultants? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 8/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services
Title: Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services The problem with this in our area is that generally they want more per month for rental that we would generate for subs off a tower. They think we are similar to cell companies and have deep pockets, not realizing that we may only serve 30 customers off of a single tower. Chadd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services Or even better is to just pay a flat monthly rate regardless of customers, etc. It's really none of their business how many customers you have on a tower, or how much they are generating, etc. We ONLY pay a monthly rental fee. Travis Microserv Brian Webster wrote: Johnny, If you can get away from the revenue share try to. If they want in on the action maybe set up a flat rate per customer added to that site. The reason for this would be that if you need to increase your ARPU you can raise the price and not have an increased expense for doing so, your expense to the tower owner stays the same. Inmy cellular days the carriers would never do a revenue share with landowners or tower owners. When it was a sticking point in the negotiations it could be overcome most times by finding some point (in this case per customer) to increase the payment on a more fixed rate. If you were to ever try and sell your business this puts you in a much more favorable position than having revenue sharing. Revenue sharing creates a situation where you might have to open your books to this landowner so he can audit to see if he is getting his proper payments, whereas all you need to do for a per customer rate is do a dump from something like your Radius server or the access point itself to have all the accounting information necessary. Just an idea and a useless one if you have already committed to this deal. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tower contract / Revenue Share / Discounted Services Have a company that is paying us to install a tower at their location so we they can receive our internet services. What we negotiated was - they pay for ALL costs including backhaul, 3 2.4ghz sectors, tower costs / installation costs. We get exclusive rights to the tower. They get 20% revenue share from any customers being served directly off of the tower, and they receive 50% off of their monthly service fees. Does anyone have a contract that would cover part or all of what was stated ? Regards, JohnnyO __ NOD32 1.1705 (20060814) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]
IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup and installation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money where it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your own pocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not be able to hook up to a WISP. Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get access. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] Don't forget the 3rd great lie...I'm from the government and I'm here to help you :-) Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900MHz Systems
FYI the moto price is for the light version of client, Limited to 512K throughput. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:10 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900MHz Systems What QTY is that pricing at? 100 Pack? Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Morin Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Systems I was told $290 for 900 gear by trango and it might be out by the middle to end of April. Double radius told me 212.50 for Moto 900 cpe available by the end of March. Guess we'll have to wait and see. Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tranzeo announced at EC-Expo that they will have a 900mhz CPE/AP combination available sometime in the second quarter of 2006. They are currently beta testing on their own systems in Canada right now. Didn't hear a price quote, but knowing how efficient Tranzeo is, I'm guessing it will be under $350 in 20 pack quantities. FWIW, I heard several reports from different people that the SR9 miniPCI 900mhz card is vaporware, and it is going to be six months or more before it will be readily available. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Read the title of the thread, (hint, hint) :) Wishful thinking, but no. No 900mhz $150 CPE. Jeff Sullivan wrote: Brian Rohrbacher wrote: but that sub $300 CPE that a Trango told me about last August never showed up. So I guess I move on Brian It did.. Only at $150!!! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Velocity Wireless Anthony Morin 208 East Elm Street Ambia, IN 47917 (765) 869-5173 What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions?
Matt, Thanks for the information. Have you used this sort of setup in an outdoor environment? If so did you have to control the temp for it to work ok? Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions? Here is an example: Here is the list of parts. *BIOSTAR M7VIZ Socket A (Socket 462) VIA KM400 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail * *$46.49* http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138231 *AMD Sempron 2200+ Thoroughbred 333MHz FSB 256KB L2 Cache Socket A Processor - Retail * *$78.99* http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819104208 *Rosewill 256MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 333 (PC 2700) System Memory - Retail* *$24.30* http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820223035 *PW-60A 100W 12V DC-DC ATX Converter * *$45.00* http://idotpc.com/TheStore/Peripheral/case/Default_ps_itx.asp?Cate.id=14 *Total Cost (minus DOM) $194.78 After you add miniPCI adapters, it is about the cost of a WAR board, but with a lot more processing power. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy Lite
From what I have read they are not fully upgradeable because there are some hardware differences between the light and the normal units. I also remember reading that you have to have the advantage AP to use the light versions of SU's. Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Lite I've read that. Does anyone know if a lite SM is fully upgradeable to a regular one? Dylan Oliver wrote: -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FM tower co-location
Curious if anyone here has co-located on an FM tower? If so care to share your experiences? Thanks, Chadd -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a necessary evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early on and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise floor is fairly high in 5.x around here. It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the time and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution that does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx. Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had two competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS and we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly over the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot about us and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do what it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind sticking with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as customers expect faster and faster connections. It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service based off of recommendations from their neighbors. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or possibly 5.7 gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
So who is going to beta test these bad boys? I already took my turn with the link 10's and T900's -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history
I am probably far more cynical than most but I really hope that Trango has made a turn around as a company with the latest round of changes. I tend to remember the bad things more than the good. WARNING this is a list of the BAD things!! Good things are at the bottom... I remember purchasing link 10's as soon as they were released and spending time on the phone with at the time their rude tech support department trying to figure out why they were locking up randomly requiring a power cycle to get them back online. Only to find out from them that I was the only one in the world having this problem and it must be because I don't know how to install them. Low and behold a month or so later they release a firmware fix for the 30 or so Day lock up issue that didn't exist. I remember fighting with the 58xx form factor units filling up with water and destroying the ethernet ports on them. Again I spent a lot of time with the same rude tech support department trying to explain to them that it was a pressure/temp difference causing water to be pulled into the units. Again only to be accused of not knowing what I was doing and that I had to be installing the units upside down. What do you know after fighting with them about RMA repairs and such on the units they issue a statement about a month later to not tighten the strain relief all the way on the radio so they could breath and not pool water on the inside. I spent a Thanksgiving on a tower because of this. I remember buying and deploying a 900AP and having pissed off potential customers because I couldn't get any SU's to do their installs. Also getting to my 15th SU and trying to figure out why the web interface was hosed and I couldn't add any more subs to it. Again another firmware fix. I remember power supplies not having enough output to run the heaters on longer cable runs and having to buy new wall worts for some units. I remember fighting and scrounging trying to find a switch that would properly work with the ethernet ports on the units. I remember condensation building up on the inside of the random on 5.x units causing 30+ db of fade taking out links left and right. This is still an issue on units I have not replaces with external antennas I remember prices being jacked around. The various changes in distribution models and not knowing who I was going to get units from and how much was I going to have to pay for them. You know what even after all of this I still buy and deploy some Trango equipment, but it burns me every time I buy more stuff from them. These problems would have been much more tolerable if they would have been decent to work with and not so arrogant about insisting they werent having problems. THE GOOD stuff!!! I also remember setting up my first long BH 14 miles with a Link-10 and seeing 8ms latency and advertised throughput on the link. Hooking up a few dozen customers on T900 that I could never touch in the past with 2.4 or 5.x. I also get better throughput, distance and latency than with my Alvarion 900 customers, alvarion is a master and noise avoidance though when compared to T900. My link-10's just hum right along since the bugs were fixed. Besides the condensation issue on the INT units. I do think they are getting a bit better with regards to customer relations though and their tech support department was very personable and willing to help out last time I had to call them. So I hope this is a sign of things to come from them. I have been beating my head on the wall trying to figure out what equipment I want to use for a few new POP's this year and admit it would be nice if Trango pulled it together with a good line up of cost effective, feature rich and most of all bug free equipment early this year to add to my list of choices. Sorry for the rambling Chadd. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Attempted hack, what would you do?
Happens every day on our network. I get about 500 to 1000 hits a day on our servers/router logs of ppl port scanning and or running log in scripts trying to crack a username/pass. I have only turned a few in to thier ISP's abuse address and never heard anything from it except for a canned message here and there. Doesn't seem like anyone cares. Most hack attempts come from SBC DSL or china it seems. As far as I know I have only been hacked once, and it was my own fault. I had a FreeBSD box that I was doing some testing on and I forgot about it and left it on the Public side of the network. I had set up a user account with the same username and Pass.Well someone ran a script on it and got in the server. I didn't realize it until my MRTG router graph went crazy for a day with a large amount of traffic. I tracked it down to the box I forgot about and figured out what happened. They were uploading a bunch of stuff to the box through FTP. I did turn them into thier ISP but never heard anything from it. Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Victoria Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Attempted hack, what would you do? Theoretically, if someone attempted to hack into your network via your router, say at least ten times, what would you do? If you could identify this culprit via logs and IP addresses, where you had them dead to rights, what would you do? ~V~ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 1/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 1/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
Where are you getting those prices and in what quantities? Thanks, Chadd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
