Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography
This last year, we finished unification of all our rate plans so that we would have consistency across our network. At this time last year, we had several plans that had overlap and different sets of services as part of the plans. For example, a 2meg plan for $49.95/month that included dialup and a public IP address sold next to a $49.95/month 4meg plan that did not have the dialup or public IP. Most of the customers did not use public IP addresses or dialup, and we were starting to get 2meg customers complaining about the 4meg plan on our website that was 2x the speed for the same price. At the same time, we still had a lot of 384k and 640k plans with people who were complaining about YouTube not working, but they were reluctant to upgrade to the next package because our prices were not as competitive on the lower end with the 1.5meg dsl bundles. What we ended up doing was this: 1) Replace the 384k and 640k plans with 1meg and 1.5meg speeds at the same prices 2) Bump up all existing 1meg and 2meg customers to 2meg and 3meg speeds for the same prices 3) Eliminate public IP addresses being included with plans, made them a separate monthly charge and adjusted customers to have a new speed package with the public IP added to it 4) Later in the year we established a maintenance fee package that was automatically added to each customer account, but customers were given the choice of opting out of the plan After doing all of this, we ended up having a much more competitive service on the low end, fewer customer complaints about YouTube and other sites from low end customers, and our revenue went up - mostly because of the addition of the maintenance package. Any plan inconsistencies between customers and areas were also resolved. The toughest part of this plan was the pre-planning that was involved to make it happen. We did a ton of customer data cleanup and plan adjustment over the summer, but that was work that needed to be done anyway because of a lot of random, nonstandard plan changes that employees had been doing as shortcuts.We also had to take a really strong look at oversub ratios on our access points and what the resulting oversub ratios would be with the plan changes, since the ratios would generally double. In doing so, we identified a bunch of places where we needed to add capacity or just needed to move higher bandwidth customers to other access points. There were a lot of radio swaps and service calls involved in that process, but the end result was better network performance and higher customer satisfaction. We set a 4:1 bandwidth ratio as our preferred point of upgrade on access points - meaning we can sell 40meg of customers plans on an AP that has approximately 10meg of capacity (such as a 2.4ghz 802.11g on 10mhz channel). When the process started, we had about 27 APs that would have been overloaded with the new plans. As of today, we have eight APs that are over 4:1, and six of those are just barely over. When it comes to the speeds that we offer in any particular area, we decided to make all speeds available, as long as the oversell ratio on the access point was not exceeded. Going into next year, my plan is to replace all of our remaining StarOS access points with either Airmax or Mikrotik, swap out as many old Tranzeo radios as possible and add sectors and microcells in places where capacity starts to get overloaded. I am not looking forward to the pricetag on this work, but it is the right thing to do and it will keep us competitive for the next few years. Happy New Year everyone, and have a great 2014! Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com On 12/31/2013 8:19 AM, heith petersen wrote: I assume the same would apply if you introduce new plans to existing customers as well? I assume customers that cannot get that service will beat on you to make some sort of change to get it to them, like a closer site. *From:* Matt Hoppes mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *Sent:* Monday, December 30, 2013 8:34 PM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Cc:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography What we have done is offer the same packages across the board. If you can't get at least the package you want we don't install you. On Dec 30, 2013, at 21:11, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com mailto:wi...@mncomm.com wrote: We are getting to the point in a lot of our markets that we need to offer different speed packages. Issue being some markets, being 900 or slightly sub-par infrastructure, we wouldn't be able to promote these packages across the board. Was curious if others are offering packages to different areas that would not be possible in some? And if so, do you get any backlash from those who cannot get those packages? Is it appropriate to offer extended packages to users on one tower when another tower down the road
Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography
Why would you give customers a public IP? That is nuts as far as I am concerned. Private IPs are easier to manage across multiple towers, you can setup routing properly so that subnets are completely separate for each AP, you can pick and choose how and where to route edge traffic to multiple backbone providers, you can move between backbone providers without having to re-ip all customers, customers are not exposed to external virus traffic... I mean I could go on and on about why carrier-NAT is awesome. I see no reason to mess with public IPs unless forced to. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 12/31/2013 12:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Your customers don't get a public IP? I'll never understand why people do this. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:09:48 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography This last year, we finished unification of all our rate plans so that we would have consistency across our network. At this time last year, we had several plans that had overlap and different sets of services as part of the plans. For example, a 2meg plan for $49.95/month that included dialup and a public IP address sold next to a $49.95/month 4meg plan that did not have the dialup or public IP. Most of the customers did not use public IP addresses or dialup, and we were starting to get 2meg customers complaining about the 4meg plan on our website that was 2x the speed for the same price. At the same time, we still had a lot of 384k and 640k plans with people who were complaining about YouTube not working, but they were reluctant to upgrade to the next package because our prices were not as competitive on the lower end with the 1.5meg dsl bundles. What we ended up doing was this: 1) Replace the 384k and 640k plans with 1meg and 1.5meg speeds at the same prices 2) Bump up all existing 1meg and 2meg customers to 2meg and 3meg speeds for the same prices 3) Eliminate public IP addresses being included with plans, made them a separate monthly charge and adjusted customers to have a new speed package with the public IP added to it 4) Later in the year we established a maintenance fee package that was automatically added to each customer account, but customers were given the choice of opting out of the plan After doing all of this, we ended up having a much more competitive service on the low end, fewer customer complaints about YouTube and other sites from low end customers, and our revenue went up - mostly because of the addition of the maintenance package. Any plan inconsistencies between customers and areas were also resolved. The toughest part of this plan was the pre-planning that was involved to make it happen. We did a ton of customer data cleanup and plan adjustment over the summer, but that was work that needed to be done anyway because of a lot of random, nonstandard plan changes that employees had been doing as shortcuts.We also had to take a really strong look at oversub ratios on our access points and what the resulting oversub ratios would be with the plan changes, since the ratios would generally double. In doing so, we identified a bunch of places where we needed to add capacity or just needed to move higher bandwidth customers to other access points. There were a lot of radio swaps and service calls involved in that process, but the end result was better network performance and higher customer satisfaction. We set a 4:1 bandwidth ratio as our preferred point of upgrade on access points - meaning we can sell 40meg of customers plans on an AP that has approximately 10meg of capacity (such as a 2.4ghz 802.11g on 10mhz channel). When the process started, we had about 27 APs that would have been overloaded with the new plans. As of today, we have eight APs that are over 4:1, and six of those are just barely over. When it comes to the speeds that we offer in any particular area, we decided to make all speeds available, as long as the oversell ratio on the access point was not exceeded. Going into next year, my plan is to replace all of our remaining StarOS access points with either Airmax or Mikrotik, swap out as many old Tranzeo radios as possible and add sectors and microcells in places where capacity starts to get overloaded. I am not looking forward to the pricetag on this work, but it is the right thing to do and it will keep us competitive for the next few years. Happy New Year everyone, and have a great 2014! Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com On 12/31/2013 8:19 AM, heith petersen wrote: I assume the same would apply if you introduce new plans to existing customers as well? I assume customers that cannot get
Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's..
Not to shift the focus too much but The environmentals were not the primary concern. The environmentals were the loophole that a clever lawyer used to get the project stopped dead in its tracks. At this point, I think WISPs that are being overbuilt by these kind of government supported boondoggles should be looking for the loopholes and building up community support for getting these kinds of projects stopped dead in their tracks or at a minimum restructured to be more open and useable by alternative providers such as WISPs. I lost an anchor institution (school district) to EagleNet in Colorado, and the pricing structure to use their networks was a joke. The lowest connection they sold was 300meg and it was going to be something like $2000/month to connect two points across their network. It is open access in name only. Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com On 12/7/2012 7:40 AM, chris cooper wrote: The important thing to remember is that each application had to be submitted with an environmental plan attached. Winning applicants had their environmental documents submitted for environmental review and approval. Awardees can't deviate from the approved environmental plan, at least not without additional environmental approvals from EPA, USFS, USFWS etc. If they did indeed get hung up for environmental reasons this could have nothing whatsoever to do with the perceived or actual merits of the project. If whatever they were doing caused them to violate the terms of an EIS or caused them to need to prepare an EIS then that alone is a show stopper. The awarding agencies want these projects to get built but awardees have to follow the law. Chris Cooper Intelliwave -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's.. At 12/7/2012 08:56 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The environmental certifications aren't what bother me (well, it bothers me that they need them in the first place), but that they were building where they weren't funded for. I can understand some of the environmental rules; digging up the ground in wetlands and other sensitive areas can be quite harmful. However, the actual processes are probably a lot more details and complex than they need to be, especially since nothing spills out of a communications conduit or fiber pipe. But it was a convenient way to call ENA out for building where they were not supposed to. They were apparently trying to reach their percentage milestones by building fiber in low-cost prairie areas of eastern Colorado instead of high-cost mountains of western Colorado. Only others had already built in the east, with REA funding, so it wasn't needed there, and it left the west unserved. ENA (and NTIA) were given several offers to settle, but turned them down, or pretended to accept them but went ahead anyway. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:06:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's.. At 12/6/2012 06:56 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote: probably will be tomorrow.. I got a call from my Boss who got a call from Greg Brophy who got a call from Cory Gardner.. Then I found the tweets.. Cory's tweet Rep. Cory Gardner @repcorygardner BREAKING: Grant suspended for govt funded broadband provider EAGLE-Net due to ongoing concerns relating to compliance with grant rules The suspension letter was posted on the ntia web site. However, that site is not very reliable, and doesn't seem to be up now. A copy was downloaded by the lawyer who has been leading the opposition to ENA (I've been helping him out a bit myself) and he sent it to me. ENA's grant was suspended on (theoretically) environmental grounds. By not building where they had originally proposed, and by not doing full environmental review of the actual revised routes that they were building, they were in violation of the grant. So they are frozen. They can get permission to start building again if they can complete the various requirements (quite a few, actually) that they are not in compliance with. Of course the easiest way to do that would be to go back to the originally-approved plan. You know, the one whose maps were redacted in the original public form of the application by having a black box layer placed atop them in the multi-layered PDF... gee that isn't hard to remove in OpenOffice, is it? :-) On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: is there a news article or something??? On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:
Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...
Rich, You might want to take a look at the white paper that I recently produced for WISPA that highlights how WISPs are successful. You can find it here: http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=252One of the things that makes WISPs successful is the use of fixed wireless, meaning the installation of high-gain antennas at the customer location. This enables faster speeds and much higher reliability than dongle type installations. The self-install business models look good on paper, but do not scale up well enough in the real world and that generally ruins the business model. It doesn't really matter whether you use licensed spectrum or not. Fixed wireless has many advantages over mobile broadband and the dongles and those advantages are going to become even more apparent as Internet utilization continues to increase and the mobile networks get more and more overloaded. I would strongly encourage anyone on the list who hasn't read this paper yet to take 15 minutes and go through it. I am directing people who are unfamiliar with WISPs to read this first and they come back with a much better understanding of what we do and how valuable it is to our communities. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 11/28/2011 6:24 PM, Rich _ wrote: The answer to my last question was obvious from the posts so far. I should have asked if there are licensed frequencies that I can still purchase and if so how much do the range in cost? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Proprietary equipment in most cases. They also use licensed frequency which they pay a premium for. On 11/28/2011 04:51 PM, Rich _ wrote: What type of equipment does Clear/OpenRange use that allows a connection using one of those 1x3 USB things? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: None that I know of. Those are the companies like Clear and OpenRange. That model doesn't seem to financially or operationally/technically work. Most if not all the Wisps here install equipment on vertical space (grain leg, building, tower) and install a CPE on the customer roof. From the CPE side, a lot like satellite. Low profile but it is there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM, Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com mailto:rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote: How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are they using something other than a WISP? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Rich, Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install. Trust me, there are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out since this industry started. As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work. And I think it is precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking for. If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Sure their return on investment would be higher due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop in the bucket. Rich _ wrote: Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as
Re: [WISPA] Strategies For Finding Bandwidth
360networks has fiber capacity in Billings and will work with WISPs to get equipment colocated.They were recently acquired by Zayo, so you might try calling someone from Zayo to see if they can help you out. Tell them I sent you if you called. I'm trying to get on their good side! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 11/7/2011 10:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Spend enough time on these lists and you'll discover that most services providers don't have a clue as to what is available around them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 11/7/2011 11:44 AM, Brian Webster wrote: You can also use the national broadband map and find out who offers service there. They may not be able to give you 100 meg but I would bet they know who can. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 12:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strategies For Finding Bandwidth Peruse the carrier maps and see what's in your area. I would love it if someone asked me for 100 megs. Check www.telecomramblings.com for links to maps. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 11/7/2011 10:22 AM, Andrew Niemantsverdriet wrote: How do I go about finding a bandwidth provider? I have been tasked to find 100Megs of Internet and have exhausted all the options I know. What I have done so far is contact other ISP's in the area and asked them if they can get me Internet. So far everybody has said no because they can figure out a way to deliver it. So what I am asking what are some other avenues that I can explore to get bandwidth to this location? Generic advise is fine as I may have to do this once more for another site. I am purposely not saying the address on a public list but if that will help I can let you know off list. Thanks, _ /-\ ndrew -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie
We will find out tomorrow - FCC will release their USF plan on Thursday. Let's hope that it will not fund this, but since Verizon and ATT run the telecom section of our government, I would not be surprised. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 10/26/2011 11:18 AM, Matt wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Verizon-Confirms-New-Home-LTE-Service-116721 Will USF funds or other subsidies fund this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
If you are a Title II regulated telco, they might apply to you. As an operator of a privately funded broadband network, Net Neutrality does not apply to you. You paid for it, you can do what you want with it. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 10/25/2011 4:46 PM, Tony Iacopi wrote: Hi there, Just got off the phone with my FCC attorney and the Net Neutrality rules are back on and we are to comply by Nov. 20th. Has anyone done anything regarding this, we are working on it but would like to know what others are doing. Let me know. Thanks Tony Iacopi 831-902-0700 t...@razzolink.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] America's Broadband Heroes: Fixed Wireless Broadband Providers
Fixed now. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 10/13/2011 8:09 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: There is no http service running on the server. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Here is the link my white paper about fixed wireless broadband providers. http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=252preview=true We will be adding more maps and tables of statistics for the WISP only areas later. This was very well received at the WISPAPALOOZA show today. Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] America's Broadband Heroes: Fixed Wireless Broadband Providers
Here is the link my white paper about fixed wireless broadband providers. http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=252preview=true http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=252preview=true We will be adding more maps and tables of statistics for the WISP only areas later.This was very well received at the WISPAPALOOZA show today. Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul
What kind of distances can you get from 11ghz with 4' dishes? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 9/30/2011 2:14 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Itsnice to see products comming out like APEX9, enabling $6900/link pricing standard, which are fully feauture rich to latest standards. You're a little high on the price -- it's $6500 for a full link (and that's the rack rate for a single link =) That price includes high power (e.g., +28 dBm for 11 GHz) The Apex9 Radios also support compression -- in our testing, we got ~390 Mbps full duplex with 64 byte packets -Charles - Original Message - *From:*Blake Covarrubias mailto:bl...@beamspeed.com *To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul We have quite a few Trango licensed radios. They work well. Latency is usually under 1ms for each hop. -- Blake Covarrubias On Sep 29, 2011, at 12:16, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Most if not all of the licensed backhauls are very solid and very good. I have a SAF link that is working well. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com mailto:coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Exalt has a nice product line. How much bandwidth and how far are you trying to go are good places to start. mc On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:00 AM, John M. Nix j...@cnetworksolutions.com mailto:j...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: We are thinking of changing our core backhaul from 5.8 Ghz to a Licensed solution. Just wondering what the most cost effective solution would be without losing a great deal of quality. John Nix CSWEB Support Team www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net 918-235-0414 tel:918-235-0414 j...@cnetworksolutions.com mailto:j...@cnetworksolutions.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 tel:903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] UBNT
Mobile wireless systems cannot deliver the speeds and network
performance that is needed to take full advantage of
broadband.Smartphones and mobile wireless networks have their places,
but they are not, and will never be, a substitute for a fixed wireless
or wireline broadband system.
Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
On 9/23/2011 3:25 PM, Robert Canary wrote:
True. However, one buys the better longer-lasting gear, at a significant
price increase. And within the 2 years {just as they get it all paid for}, the demand
changes, the new systems work faster, and you end up spending all your business putting
money into the manufactures and retailer's pockets. I have been doing this for 12 years.
Trust me . spend your big bucks on the backhaul systems and internal infrastructure.
Go absolutely as cheap as you can for access points and CPE.
In another 10 years it will not matter anyway. *Everything* will be done
through you're cell phone. Blue tooth to your laptop and to the internet you
go @ 4Meg speeds.
Robert Canary
OCDirect Electrical-Datacomm
(866) 594-0786 Fax
(270) 955-0362 Voice
- Original Message -
There are other considerations besides cost. It's important to
consider total cost of ownership. What devices cost you the least to
put up? How does that square up with longevity? What causes the
fewest repeat truck rolls and gives the greatest customer experience?
How does it scale across a large network?
Thanks,
Chris Cooper
On Sep 23, 2011, at 4:30 PM, jch...@tritontelephone.com wrote:
I'm not knocking motorola. It has it's place. (god knows I loved my
startac:) but for the money ubnt makes Norte sense.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 23, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Robert Canary
rwcan...@mchn39.ocdirect.net
wrote:
I know this is bogus. I ran Motorola and it was the worst system
I
had ever deployed. I thought I was doing great, until I started
runnng AirSpan and Alvarion. It wasn't long I was on the phone
selling *all* my motorola to my competitors.
Robert Canary
OCDirect Electrical-Datacomm
(866) 594-0786 Fax
(270) 955-0362 Voice
- Original Message -
Here is a radio comparison test done at the last animal farm.
www.linktechs.net/AF2011_Bakeoff.pdf
Jim
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
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Behalf Of Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe
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Which UBNT 2.4 or 5.7 radios will do 45MB duplex over two miles.
Thanks
Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe
AS Technologies Ltd
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
I have had a 3 mile 24ghz Ligowave link up for two years with very little rain fade - maybe 15 minutes worth in the past two years. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 8/2/2011 1:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/2/2011 01:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_000_D26588DB857E2948835D6C7A27C9879E15DBBD68AEROMAIL1aerone_ Both Radwin and Motorola PTP500 would work well under high interference, but if you want to go to a whole diff band, I would suggest against a 3 mile 24 ghz link, go with a Radwin 2000 in 3.65 Ghz . Its FCC certified for up to 20 mhz, providing a solid 100 mbps aggregate data rate for well under $7k If Adam's where I think he is, he is in the exclusion zone of two or three of those pesky earth stations. 3.65 is unavailable in much of the country, unless he can wangle the waiver. A lot of people use 18-23 GHz links of that distance. The 24 GHz unlicensed power limit may be a bit low though. A licensed Ka-band radio should be fine for 3 miles, unless it is non-diversity mission critical. Someone I work with manages a public safety microwave network around here. His 18 GHz and 5 GHz links are both impacted by weather, but not the same weather, so the network overall stays up even as links fade. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
I have had one of the Ligowave (SAF) 24ghz 100meg radios in service for almost two years on a three mile link. It has been an outstanding piece of equipment in the time that we have had it.A few months ago, after a discussion on list, we figured out that we did not have the cross-polarization set up correctly, so we fixed it and saw our throughput go from 60meg to 100meg full duplex along with another 15db of fade margin.We have had some occasional rain fade, but no outages lasted more than five minutes. I do wish that there was an option for a bigger dish, as being able to go 6-8 miles would be very handy. The link that we have it on used to be fed by a 100meg fiber connection that cost $500/month. We spent $8000 on the Ligo radio, so it paid for itself in 16 months. I think that is pretty useful! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 7/27/2011 8:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I was just kind of thinking what use there would be for a 100 mbps radio in 24 Ghz. Limitation of just a couple of miles like 60 Ghz, too. Unless the two other ethernet ports can be used to aggregate more bandwidth? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Maybe it is. I am only going by word of mouth on that. That's why I said I am told.. Don't want to put my foot in my mouth... :-) On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol... I think this radio is for Licensed 24 ? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? Two more things... Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works :-) And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one polarity plane for data...Not two. -B- On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz? What ranges can you do with them? On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Nice! Price? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached -B- On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul? The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps. Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that will do 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The price is the same or cheaper. I believe its 2 year warranty also. -B- On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote: Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast? http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's pretty good, in my book On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote: This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if needed, just tell me to check the archives ... Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference issues on our Alvarion Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to point links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above (or even a little less). For example, maybe something on the 24GHz frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough
[WISPA] Rural Broadband in Pictures
My latest Wireless Cowboys post.I think this is one of my best yet, and a perfect illustration of why fixed wireless is so important for rural areas.Plus, it has cool pictures! http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=180 Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: WISPA Bylaws
I will take a bylaws change to add different "classes" to each membership level. As the current bylaws read, each membership level has to be charged at the same rate. That is part of why we did the dues increase the way that we did them. Our intention is to make that change to the bylaws in order to implement the different classes next year, but we could not do it this time around. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 5/31/2011 9:50 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Not to make suggestions after the fact but In the past, it was realized that flexibilty was lost in setting appropriate dues because there were only a limited number of classes (assoc, principal, vendor). It would make sense to also add to the bylaws and ballot, the ability for the board to set additional "classes"of membership. The reason for this is... the majority class is currently "principle". Currently if the member prospect does not qualify for "principle" the alternative becomes the lower revenue "associate" class even if the prospect was a candidate appropriate to pay a higher rate.A class could be used to advertise specific companies as higher contributors, such as a Gold and Platnum principle member (a WISP that is larger ordesired to donate more cash in excahnge for good will). As welladditionalclasses could be used to allow a membership without certain privilages that other WISPs might have. For example which Lists they have access to. (An example of that might have been the WCA 3650 issue, where a telcomight want to join to work on a specific project, but may notqualify as a typical WISP). Adding Classes, enables the ability to target alternate revenue streams, other than to raise principle member's dues, and without compromising principle member's voting power and association focus. Alternatively, it would work to give the ability to add "sub-classes", that allowed fine tuning of rights or dues per that specific sub-class. For example, manufacturer versus service provider versus investor. Or WISPs under 500sub, 500-5000, and Large National providers 5000. Or Associate of government versus non-profitversus consultant, versus press, versus newbie exploring wireless. I'm not suggesting defing classes now, just suggesting board given the abilityto add classes, if needed in the future. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Victoria To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 11:35 AM Subject: [WISPA] FW: WISPA Bylaws Dear Members, This election, you are going to be presented with proposed changes in the WISPA Bylaws. Rick has posted these changes: http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=4752 Please take a moment and be familiar with them. If you have any questions, please email to: wispabyl...@wispa.org Thanks and have a great Memorial Day! Best regards, Victoria Proffer President/CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC 314-974-5600 2010 - 2011 Board of Directors Committee Chairs - Bylaws | National Disaster | State Coordinators |Missouri State Coordinator WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
I have a very detailed breakdown of what we did to solve the UBB problem on my Wireless Cowboys blog. You can read it here: http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=88 We went the NetFlow method and correlate customer IP addresses to their Freeside accounts to see who gets billed. Right now, the list of violators is pretty small so we do the overage billing manually.We have the option of building a batch transaction that gets imported into our billing system on the first of each month.We also built a portal for users to check their own bandwidth utilization, and our system sends emails to users when they go over and a summary email to our techs with a list of all the people that are over. Hope that helps. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com www.wirelesscowboys.com On 5/3/2011 12:00 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: What happens if/when you reboot the MT? Don't you lose your counts? I would think a better idea would be to use traffic flow and an external NetFlow analyzer. We are working on this for Wispmon as another way (other than radius accounting) to do usage based billing with the product. The downside to this is that the Traffic Flow stream as they call it, does not output the mac field (even though one is available according to the NetFlow spec). So if you are using DHCP, it becomes harder to track with this method as you would have to constantly poll the routers to find out what mac they are attached to. RADIUS is fairly cumbersome too as you have to sum all the accounting sessions for a given user over a given time period. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com mailto:joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Can this script be made available for everyone? Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 tel:228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com http://www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net mailto:spie...@avolve.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too. I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
8 meg package is not offered to residential customers, only to business customers.We still get crazy people who want 8meg in the middle of nowhere, eight hops away from our NOC - so we decided it was best not to advertise it. When we rollout some more AirMax, we are going to revise this and add 6,12 and 16meg plans for residential in the places where we have AirMax deployed and enough backbone to deliver it. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 5/3/2011 1:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I did read that just yesterday, Matt. I noticed you don't have the 8 meg package on your website =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com mailto:li...@manageisp.com wrote: I have a very detailed breakdown of what we did to solve the UBB problem on my Wireless Cowboys blog. You can read it here: http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=88 We went the NetFlow method and correlate customer IP addresses to their Freeside accounts to see who gets billed. Right now, the list of violators is pretty small so we do the overage billing manually.We have the option of building a batch transaction that gets imported into our billing system on the first of each month.We also built a portal for users to check their own bandwidth utilization, and our system sends emails to users when they go over and a summary email to our techs with a list of all the people that are over. Hope that helps. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com http://vistabeam.com www.wirelesscowboys.com http://www.wirelesscowboys.com On 5/3/2011 12:00 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: What happens if/when you reboot the MT? Don't you lose your counts? I would think a better idea would be to use traffic flow and an external NetFlow analyzer. We are working on this for Wispmon as another way (other than radius accounting) to do usage based billing with the product. The downside to this is that the Traffic Flow stream as they call it, does not output the mac field (even though one is available according to the NetFlow spec). So if you are using DHCP, it becomes harder to track with this method as you would have to constantly poll the routers to find out what mac they are attached to. RADIUS is fairly cumbersome too as you have to sum all the accounting sessions for a given user over a given time period. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com mailto:joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Can this script be made available for everyone? Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 tel:228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com http://www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net mailto:spie...@avolve.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too. I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
I wrote about this on my http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/ blog - http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=88 There are some other articles about Usage Based Billing (UBB) there as well. Read it and see if that helps. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 4/21/2011 10:30 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps for years. Cameron On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger jnovin...@gmail.com mailto:jnovin...@gmail.com wrote: They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any speed. Also, given ATT's, the other local competitor, decision to implement caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort of caps. Holler off-list if you would like more specifics. Jason On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan deathandta...@caglan.net mailto:deathandta...@caglan.net wrote: We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is scheduled to be replaced. Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant. We are looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model or block pricing. Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this? Can anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to this, the simpler the better? Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor and automate billing of overages, etc? Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed. --Dan P. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik RB411
I just wanted to take this opportunity to mention that the Mikrotik RB411 boards are pieces of crap.Half of the ones I have failed during the cold spell this last week and it turns out that lots of other people have had the same problems.It is very frustrating to see that not all of the hardware we use has moved out of the amateur stage yet when it comes to quality control and design. Glad I only ever bought ten of them. They will be getting replaced with something reliable real soon. FWIW, the 411AH boards I have in place have been just fine. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik RB411
They started failing at 0F.Temps got to -25F in a few places. I'm running the R52 cards in ARC Wireless enclosures. Prebuilt by my vendor. Someone on another list suggested using a more powerful card as the extra heat is enough to keep the board warm. They are all running fine now, but who knows what will happen when we get another freeze? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 2/5/2011 12:57 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: Matt... we have over 1,000 of the regular 411 boards in the air... including many point to point backhaul links. We saw temps down to -30F this last week and didn't have a single failure. Travis Microserv On 2/5/2011 11:41 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I just wanted to take this opportunity to mention that the Mikrotik RB411 boards are pieces of crap.Half of the ones I have failed during the cold spell this last week and it turns out that lots of other people have had the same problems.It is very frustrating to see that not all of the hardware we use has moved out of the amateur stage yet when it comes to quality control and design. Glad I only ever bought ten of them. They will be getting replaced with something reliable real soon. FWIW, the 411AH boards I have in place have been just fine. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo and Ubnt
Phil, Swap out the CPEs first, then you can swap the APs. That is what I'm doing and it seems to be working very well. The UBNT radios don't seem to have a problem associating to the older APs. I use StarOS for the APs instead of Tranzeo, but that shouldn't make much difference. Matt Larsen mlar...@vistabeam.com On 1/29/2011 8:45 AM, RickG wrote: My Tranzeo CPE didnt like M radios. I've switched out most of my CPE to UBNT but where I didnt, I used regular Bullet's and Pico's as the Tranzeos work fine with those until I can get them swapped out with M radios. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com mailto:pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: We are making the switch from Tranzeo AP's and CPE's to Ubnt and have run into a problem. Seems that the Tranzeo CPE's don't play well with the Ubnt AP's. They will only bind when both are set to 20 Mhz and the Tranzeo CPE's lose there connection after a period of time and need to be power cycled to rebind to the Ubnt AP's. Anybody else having these problems and are there any work arounds? I have tried several different configurations and updated all to newest firmware, but no joy. Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn
I will be exercising my right to civil disobedience in the event that something like this comes to pass. This would never make it through the court/judiciary system, so I'm fairly certain it won't be a problem. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 1/25/2011 7:22 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Same thing here from CNET:_http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG_http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing data and email. Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds ... The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs will exist in the next few years. ***Victoria Proffer - President/CEO* ___www.ShowMeBroadband.com_file://www.ShowMeBroadband.com ___www.StLouisBroadband.com_file://www.StLouisBroadband.com ___www.FarmingtonForum.com_http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that way was designed for tacking IP space to people. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: The following information is offered for your personal use only. It contains no added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any machinery that also processes eggs or nuts. * House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that would force companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement combat child pornography. Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers should be forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a way to help combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill requiring they do so for two years... LINK: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/139945-smith-companies-must-save-more-data-to-combat-child-porn *** -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT: Miss America
Shout out to Miss Nebraska, Theresa Scanlan. She won the talent competition today and is one of the youngest contestants ever in the show (17). The Scanlans are Vistabeam customers and we are very proud of Theresa and her entire family.12 months ago, she was carrying out groceries and now there is a great chance that she will be on the final stage of the pageant. Best wishes to you Theresa! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz Licensing Warning Question
Wow Michael, That was an outstanding post. Thank you for taking the time to put it together. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 1/13/2011 11:31 PM, michael mulcay wrote: Fred, Tom DeReggi's comments were business-case based and constructive; basically exploring whether the Commission's NPRM on auxiliary stations would benefit the large operators or WISPs or both. In WSI's opinion the answer is both, but with WISPs getting the higher business growth percentage. Frankly, I do not see anything in your position that would benefit the WISP community. //Further, I have nearly thirty years of experience working with the FCC, initially with the Xerox XTEN filing, and later, at Western Multiplex as VP of Business Development I wrote the request for a Rule Making and an Immediate Waiver of the Rules pending a Rule Making to allow unlimited EIRP in the 2.4GHz and 5.8GHz ISM bands. Both were granted (with the 1 for 3 rule at 2.4GHz) and we were able to take Western Multiplex from the Living Dead (profitable with no growth) to a Star Performer (rapid profitable growth), growing the company by 25%, 50% and 100% in three consecutive years. I believe that auxiliary stations can give WISPs the same type of growth opportunity. I believe your last paragraph summarizes your view, so I will address this paragraph. /But Part 101 is all about using conventional means... / // Wrong -- Part 101Fixed Service rules are about the use of spectrum for Fixed Services, fortunately not about conventional means as this would preclude innovation. /...(narrow beams, narrow bands) to squeeze in as many PtP users as possible via coordination, not auctions./ // There are two problems with the conventional approach: 1. Narrower and narrower beams mean larger and larger antennas with the related dramatic increases in CAPEX and OPEX, and even then they are still not perfect. 2. The FS market requirement is for higher and higher speeds requiring higher and higher bandwidths, not narrower and narrower bandwidths.// /It works pretty well. / Actually it works _very poorly_ as demonstrated by the difficulty of Prior Coordinating new 6GHz and 11GHz paths in cities such as New York and Los Angeles. The reason for the congestion is that every licensed station is given protection from harmful interference and all antennas radiate and receive signals in all directions, hence the reason for Rule 101.103 and the large antennas are a major contributor to the high cost of conventional licensed microwave links. // /As some of the Reply Comments noted, the alleged keyhole for auxiliary stations doesn't really exist very often... / // The keyhole has nothing to do with auxiliary stations as it is a contour around any station for a given interferer. Prior coordination requires that a new applicant check the EIRP at all angles around the proposed stations for all distances up to 125 miles at angles between five and three hundred and fifty five degrees, and at all distances up to 250 miles for all angles within five degrees of the antenna azimuth. This means that there are a very large number of locations around existing paths where a new applicant path cannot be deployed because the new path would cause harmful interference, and as the distance from the new applicant to an existing path or paths decreases, the number of choices for the new applicant path also decreases to the point where a new path at any angle will not prior coordinate. With a conventional approach these locations are unused, they are wasted. But with auxiliary stations the existing licensee can put the unused locations to productive use. // /But TDD and FDD also risk compatibility problems, and most of Part 101 is FDD, while your proposal is TDD. / // Wrong -- there are _no_ compatibility problems using TDD in areas where FDD is operating, since a TDD path must prior coordinate before a license will be issued. Also, there is nothing preventing an auxiliary path from operating FDD, TDD, FDD-TDMA or TDD-TDMA. /So it might make more sense to push for more spectrum elsewhere, rather than use self-defeating hyperbole to fight Part 101 interests head-on./ I will again quote FCC Chairman Genachowski: We can't create more spectrum, so we have to make sure it's used efficiently. So, why are you proposing that we do not challenge the big companies who have vested interests in maintaining the status quo? The facts are these: ·Spectrum is a finite precious national resource. ·Every month thousands of new licenses are issued for primary stations when many of the services could have been provided by auxiliary stations. ·For every license issued spectrum is wasted and millions of future paths are blocked, adding to already congested airwaves. ·Auxiliary stations, with their small antennas and low cost, will for the first time be able to solve the last mile cost barrier, bringing economically viable
Re: [WISPA] he.net
I'm looking to pickup a gig IP pipe from them this summer. My research so far shows that they should be comparable to Cogent, and even better in some ways. We shall see! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 1/3/2011 12:43 PM, Matt wrote: Anyone else having trouble bringing up www.he.net? It appears to be only a temporary DNS issue. http://dns.he.net/ Routing is fine. We have a server on he.net bandwidth for 6 months and they have always worked great. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] More Spectrum!!
Folks, here is the real opportunity that we need to be focusing on http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/white-spaces-could-expand-beyond-unused-tv-spectrum.ars There may be no more important item for wisps to unite in their focus on than this.If we can start to use other white space spectrum -- or even scraps of licensed spectrum that are going unused -- we will have all the spectrum we need. Time to roll! Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com Wirelesscowboys.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail
I don't know whether it helps or not, but we put in policy routes so that every four or eight routed subnets were NATed out through a different IP address. Something like: 192.168.248.0-192.168.255.0 goes out through 208.14.222.10 192.168.240.0-192.168.247.0 goes out through 208.14.222.11 etc etc Since putting these rules in, a lot of our NAT issues have gone away. We have a LOT of customers on Facebook and Hotmail, and they get very vocal when stuff isn't working, so I know that it is working well for the most part. This is on a StarOS NAT box, but we are going to be replacing it with Mikrotik in another month or so. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 11/26/2010 9:16 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: Hmm, I ran into issues with NAT'ing that many customers too. I had to break it out better than what I had. My issues were similar to what you're seeing - just really unpredictable behavior from some sites. Was going over the max possible NAT connections. I'm pretty sure this was on a Mikrotik at the time, but it's been a few years back so I can't remember all the details. With this many customers I would be looking at something better than ADSL connections. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Optimum Wireless Services Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail Yes. I'm doing NAT for the entire network. Someone suggested to upgrade to the squid ver 3.1. I was using 3.0.24. Upgraded and will run the newer version and see how things work. I need squid on the network to save a little bit of bw. Also I'm running videocache which needs squid. I'll let you know how things go from here. On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 09:57 -0600, Matt wrote: profile on facebook. Don't know if is our network or what. We have 3 5mbps/1mbps dsl lines that really give us 4.5/800. We have about 120 Just curious, do you NAT everyone? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Squid for Video - videocache
Has anyone here tried this out? http://cachevideos.com/ I this sounds like a great idea in theory.Interested to see if it works as well in practice. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VZW, USCC Contact
Put up an AP using StarOS and noisebuster mode nearby on an overlapping channel. Watch their 5.8 backhaul magically disappear and be replaced by something else within a fairly short period of time. Problem solved. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 11/9/2010 10:56 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Sounds like Tsunami/Linx equivellent, running DSSS using most of the band to deliver a few T1s. The carriers use unlicenced for the same reason we do. They sub it out to a contractor, and then the contractor comes up with a solution that takes the least planning. Dont take it personally, the carriers usually dont use the Spectrum hogg gear to hurt you, instead they use it for selfish reasons. They figure use the protocol that require the least SNR so they minimize the risk of others can step on them. I hate that. Whoa back up. Sorry, I am not taking it personally, or at least not to very much. Poor joke mixed in with a bit of wishful thinking. One option is that you can deploy licensed wireless, and then go to the cellular company and try to sell them a more reliable circuit, maybe even at a discount. As soon as I can buy some Ubnt 3.65 gear I will be. An no, no one on those towers will be buying from me (because I am to small a fish and really do have little interest in them, since I can not meet various performance goals like X hour response time 24/7/365. I am one persona here) ONe thing that you might be able to use to your advantage is. Often the big carrier deploys unlicensed with the mentality that because its unlicensed that they dont have to tell anyone at the tower, or license that specific freq with teh tower owner. Meaning, they may not have the right to use that spectrum at the tower nailed down. So you might be able to license the use of that spectrum at the site, if you try. They likely are only protected by a first in non-interference clause, if they listed the ubnlicensed gear in their tower agreement. You might be able to re-use the spectrum if you give your self about a 100ft of seperation. No way will I get that. Tower owner gets around 60K/mo from 4 towers and the subleases. My talks to get up there are pretty much stalled at oh you can't start off with 10K/mo? Don't call me again I guess my point is Dont assume that The cellular carrier who owns the gear is the one that you have to negotiate with. Thats not necessarilly a given. True, but I have to contact them to find out who is the right person. Remember, interference can be bi-directional. And you ahve the ability to interfere with them if you also use inefficient technology. That always creates some leverage for everyone to play nice togeather. True in most cases. I think in this one, they are running illegal, or I have not truely pinned the right source (snow has made doing a better survey dangerous). The scan that shows the signal is aimed to a tower that is 7060 feet east of where the interference is coming from, and 1300ft low in elevation. I have not been able to get on the metal roof (10/12 and snow) and re-aim to see if i can tune it out. No mater where in town I drove, if I aimed at the towers on the hill, I had this signal very strong and clear. I have a airmax link that its obliterating. I am going to edge as close to it as I can and keep my performance acceptable. This might make the people move, it might not. I am also going to put in a par of 2.4ghz airmax units and see how that plays out. I only need 20mbit to the site for now. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reevesjree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VZW, USCC Contact I figured it might be a upcliff battle. That is what gets me, they DO have licensed. My guess is someone figured out if they squish the band it slow us down. Fully HALF the lower UNII4 band is hosed here, even airmax is not working. Oh how I wish Ubnt would come out with some UNII2/3 gear (namely, just add DFS2 to the existing product, or maybe if the crazy idea that WE need to avoid military radar would go away). On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Cameron Kiltonc...@midcoast.com wrote: Good luck, we had a similar issue, I'm still trying to figure out why they don't go licensed. Thanks, Cameron Kilton On 11/9/2010 2:30 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Anyone have a contact at Verizon Wireless or Us Cellular? They have some towers here that are now sitting all over the5755 making it totally unusable and some other portions of the band. Would like to try to work out some frequency sharing, anyone ever been able to? Jeromie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] TTY Spam/Stolen Credit Card Scam against ISPs
There is a new spam scam targeted at ISPs going around. Someone uses the TTY system for hearing impaired people (or a forgery of it) to order up a dialup account and several email addresses.Then the account is paid for with a credit card.Within a couple of hours, spam starts flowing from the email addresses. We tracked this down when one of the people with the stolen credit cards called us to find out why we were charging them, and it was readily apparent that this was not a legitimate account. Heads up.Now we get to go through the stupid fight to get ourselves removed from the yahoo and aol blacklists. Dammit! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hacking Tranzeo
I would LOVE to see a Tranzeo that talked Nstreme. I am willing to donate a couple of CPQs to anyone who wants to take a shot at it. Also, anyone who has used ones they want to sell, hit me offlist. I still have another 200 or so CPE/CPE80 radios that I need to replace with CPQs or UBNT. Matt Larsen mlar...@vistabeam.com On 10/26/2010 9:47 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Ryan, I like all those Tranzeo options as well. I did not know the ram was so tight on them. I just thought that the ability to put ROS on them and if it worked with Nstreame2 would solve some of my over populated towers. I really need TDMA or some Universal Timing mech that works cross vendor. I like Tranzeo and truthfully I have a very stable network with them. I like UBNT CPE's and have started using them as my only supplier for backhauls. But I use Mikrotik for all my AP's. My network design is such that I use a hotspot for radius authentication and queue creation for speed control. I would never use Tranzeo as an AP. I don't want to change all my controls to change to UBNT Rockets. I need a TDMA that works with MT, UBNT, Tranzeo, Engenius, DD-WRT, etc Guess I shouldn't hold my breath. L *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Spott *Sent:* Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:07 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Hacking Tranzeo What is missing from the CPQ-X line? Let's see, Text based config file upload. TFTP mass install for the warehouse. Config changes via simple curl statement (en masse) SNMPread for 'important stuff' (there should be MORE!) Pretty solid mounting (Oh god, do I hate that boot too though!) Remember, with only enough ram to really keep track of only 8 or so clients behind them, don't use them as routers in larger commercial installs, use them as bridges. Yeah, the web interface blows chunks compared to the UBNT stuff, but look at the hardware. Keep it simple and functional, not pretty. But yeah, the web interface blows chunks. Now if only the company would join WISPA... ryan On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:44 AM, support supp...@nitline.com mailto:supp...@nitline.com wrote: is there any other OS that would work on the Tranzeo TR-CPQ?? it sure would be awesome if we could put ubnt 3.6 firmware on there or something i have 50 TR-CPQ-15's rendered useless right now due to them never getting there firmware right would be awesome if someone could hack it ;) On 10/25/2010 10:19 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Ram Bootstrap would be the challenge. Not saying it can¹t be done, just would be a challenge. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com mailto:supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net http://www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Equipment - Tranzeo/Ubiquiti
I'm interested in all of these units. Let me know how many of each and how much you want. I'd be willing to take the whole thing. I have 400 subs left to switch to newer CPE that will do 10mhz channels, so I'll take all I can get. Thanks, Matt Larsen mlar...@vistabeam.com On 9/24/2010 4:53 PM, Michael Baird wrote: Bigger radio/antenna combinations generally. Regards Michael Baird What are you replacing them with? On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com mailto:m...@tc3net.com wrote: We've got an assortment of used Tranzeo CPQ's, Tranzeo 5A's, and Ubiquiti PS2/Nano2/Nano2 loco we'd like to sell. If anybody is interested, please email me. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Katrina, Five Years Later
(from my blog, WirelessCowboys.com) It is now 5 years since Katrina hit New Orleans and changed the face of the Gulf Coast forever. One of the good things that came out of this disaster was the outstanding effort by wireless ISPs that came together to provide Internet and phone services to thousands of refugees from the storm.Mac Dearman stood at the center of that effort. I called Mac the day after Katrina hit to check in on him and see how bad off he had it. Other than a little damage, his network was in good shape. I called a couple of days later, and he told me stories about the refugees of the storm, churches and makeshift shelters filled to overflowing with people that had nothing more than the clothes on the backs. He and his employees had been working non-stop to put in Internet connections and voip phones at the shelters so that the people there would be able to contact their loved ones and start the process of applying for federal help.I could tell from the tone in his voice that he was completely worn out, but could not stop because this work had to be done. I got on a plane the next morning and headed down to help in any way that I could. Within two days after I arrived, there were at least 30 people camped out at Mac's farm near Rayville, Louisiana and semi loads of donated equipment had arrived that allowed us to put Internet, VOIP phones and computers at nearly every shelter in Mac's service area. I had to leave after a week, but Mac took his volunteer army of WISPs down to the Bay St. Louis and Gulfport areas along the coast and kept going until the next spring. It was truly an amazing effort, done with no government support, purely with volunteer help and donated equipment. The campaign to help people after Katrina was a pinnacle moment of the infant WISP industry, and a perfect illustration of the ability of WISPs to provide critical services quickly, efficiently and professionally. Thank you Mac, and thanks to all of the volunteers that were able to take the time to help him out. WISPs everywhere owe you a debt of gratitude. More reading: http://www.redherring.com/Home/15053 http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/10/03/mac.dearman/ Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP
We are doing this with our old CB3 and RB110 boards. I am actually turning on the 2.4ghz AP mode, so that our techs can get online through them without having to plug into the network. All of our APs are switching to 10mhz channels and the laptops can't just hop on them anymore! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 9/1/2010 11:44 AM, Chuck Profito wrote: Tom, that $40 SBC should be a old CB3 from the junk pile. We now call them power pingers *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Tom DeReggi *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:42 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP Its tough to find Low cost DC inverter equipment that supports built-in IP. Triplite makes an excellent line of Inverters, and they are affordable. (come in 12v mailto:1...@v, 24V, and 48V), and can handle high amerage charging and near unlimited load. The problem is that these do NOT support IP type intelligence. There is a physical port that can show some INverter detail, such as when running on battery or not. But this is a physical port that basically send voltage over one of the pins to state the condition. It actually has a remote physical LED block that can plug into that port. IF someone took the time, they could make an adapter to connect that port to a computers or SBC's serial or parallel port and write a small program to read the pin voltage (on or off), and then use the SBC's SNMP or something to enable the power state to be polled. ONe way to get data on power outages is to plug a small $40 SBC bypassing the Batteries directly to the AC, then if that device is no longer pingable, you know no power is there. Anyway, I use the Triplites now, but I as well, am looking for something of similar spec quality that has IP built-in, to simplify and improve remote monitoring. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* David Sovereen mailto:david.sover...@mercury.net *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:51 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP With nearly all of our equipment being 24V DC, is anyone running their sites off of batteries connected to an AC battery charger? I'm envisioning something like a solar setup, but instead of using solar panels to charge the batteries, you use an AC-powered battery charger. This would eliminate the AC to DC to AC to DC conversion that a typical UPS setup would introduce, making the efficiency far better and the run-times far longer. I'm thinking I would like to do this (I need to revamp our UPSes everywhere anyway) but am not sure of what pieces and parts I need or if this is a terrible idea that I should run away from. Dave == MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION David Sovereen 989-837-3790 x 151 On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Sadly. My last UPS I built was from parts pulled outta the dumpster behind the local defunct Gold Star Chili Store. Salvaged the EXIT sign. 2 6v batteries and charging/switch board. I live a strange life. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP I second this. We had been using Belkin consumer UPS' because of their physical dimensions, but we've been changing them out for APC 750 and 1500s with SNMP where ever we reasonably can. Get ours new through Ingram Micro. -Paul On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Mark Nash wrote: I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com http://www.unwiredwest.com/ - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] UPS with IP I am looking for a 1500VA ups with IP control that wont kill me with the price. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups
If you are using Tranzeo TR5a, 49a or AP6000 series radios running in PtP mode on an all bridged network, they will lock up. Newer firmware helps, but does not completely resolve this problem. I ran in to this very problem recently while troubleshooting a client's network. It may not be the perfect solution, but one thing you could do that is quick an simple is install some of the Digital Loggers auto-ping/reboot devices at any site where you have a Tranzeo backhaul. Turn on the autoping to test for the opposite side of the link and you won't have to make any more drives. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 8/31/2010 9:50 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: I have 400+ Tranzeo CPQ's out and never have an issue with them not rebooting after a change. However I would never use a Tranzeo for an AP. Mikrotik AP to Tranzeo = stability and control. More info please: Models, Firmware, AP connecting to. (did you know there is a Tranzeo list on the WISPA list serve?) Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not coming back online if I make a change to them remotely. Usualy this is with AP's or backhaul links. I'd say about 30% of the time they will not come back after making a change. Is anyone else experiencing this? Does UBNT ever have that problem, or MT? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FTTH Show
Anyone here going to this show? http://www.ftthconference.com/FTTH10/public/enter.aspx Still deciding whether I should go or not. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Funny Website Error
OH NO! https://foxnews.com Who are we doing to trust now??? :^) Matt Larsen mlar...@vistabeam.com On 8/30/2010 10:44 AM, Bob Moldashel wrote: Yeah. And don't fear. The Cyber Security Agency is going to keep the world safe.. Too Funny -B- Greg Ihnen wrote: They forgot to redirect to match their cert. Greg On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: Even the computers know On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jason Hensleyja...@jaggartech.com mailto:ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Haha - too funny!! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Funny Website Error Monday Funny Use mozilla firefox and go to: https://whitehouse.govhttps://whitehouse.gov/ It gives you an Untrusted Error... No shit Sherlock! Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
Unfortunately, these servers are going to be geographically dispersed, and doing things that cannot really be virtualized. Three will be doing NAT/policy routing, three will be running our bandwidth tracking software, three will be terminating VOIP and one will be a network monitoring server running Nagios/Xymon/etc etc. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 8/24/2010 8:17 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: I agree. When I last looked, we were on our third chassis running VMWare. The space savings and lower utility bills are well worth it. Rick *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Brad Belton *Sent:* Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:42 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? Agreed. We've run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, but we had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything. We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start with. Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, availability, power savings and features. A server to us now amounts to just a file within VMware that we can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a simple cut paste. If VMware sees a server go down or a host within your cluster fail it will automatically fire up the affected servers on a different host. Really cool stuff... The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now are probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with servers they replaced! Best, Brad *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy Parr *Sent:* Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com mailto:li...@manageisp.com wrote: I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Hello Mark, It is fairly easy to come up with a Perl script that outputs all of the customer radios into a text file that you can then parse and put into Nagios. We do that with Xymon for all of our customer devices, and it works very well.You can also come up with a pgsql request coming from your Nagios box that just extracts the wanted information out of the Freeside database and reloads Nagios. For inventory tracking, we have a separate item number for each radio type. Fairly easy to generate a report showing how many of each type of radio we have in the system, and we use the MAC address of the radio as the serial number. I do not use Freeside to keep track of inventory that is outside of the billing system, we have a separate program for that task. Freeside documentation is kind of lacking, and it takes some time to get figured out. Unfortunately, when you get to a certain size billing gets quite complicated and just about anything you use is going to be complex. I've been using Freeside for 8 years now.It is hands down better than all of the other billing systems that I have had direct experience with (Rodopi, Billmax, Emerald, Powercode) but I cannot give any recommendation one way or the other toward Platypus or Wispmon. Being able to modify it and adjust it to fit our needs is very important to me, and probably one of the biggest issues I have had with other billing systems. Once we got over the initial hump, it has been excellent for us. Matt Larsen mlar...@vistabeam.com On 8/22/2010 10:57 PM, Mark Dueck wrote: I too have been working on putting up a billing system for over a year now. I have a working VM from Freeside, but it really seems like it's not a full install. I can't get anything to really work in it, or maybe it's just that there's no documentation and I don't know how to get it working. From what I've played with it, it does not have half the inventory tracking that I would like, and the whole table structure looks so darn complicated, it would take me a few full days studying all the tables to come up with a python script that would generate my nagios config file for my clients -- which are my full intentions for whichever system I put in unless it has it's own monitoring system. I found this page a few weeks ago: http://www.cio.com.au/article/324595/5_open_source_billing_systems_watch/ I've taken a quick look at each, and so far the CitrusDB seems to be the easiest one to work with and extent to what I would like to have. Unless we can put our heads together and document how to get freeside working because I've heard that you can without much effort extend it to do most anything. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Just a quick point here, because this is a key element for WISP operators Mike, if you are too poor to pay the $2000 or devote the time to setup a billing system then you should seriously question whether you should be in this business at all. Once the initial network deployment is completed, backend and billing is the most important element of a WISP business. Ignore it at your own peril. Spending too much on equipment and not enough on handling the a/r is the leading cause of bankruptcy and irrelevance among WISP operators. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 8/22/2010 7:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been setting up FreeSide... forever. 1) I'm too poor to hire it out properly. 2) I haven't had the time to dedicate to it to finishing it up. I remember seeing someone on here made a new backend system. I'm thinking it was WISPMon, but I'm not sure if there's another out there that a WISP made. It looks as though WISPMon certain does things that FreeSide doesn't and looks a hell of a lot better. However, does it do everything that FreeSide does? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Mike, I did the same thing back in the dialup days - Excel, Access database, QuickBooks memorized transactions, etc etc.QuickBooks kept getting slower and we started to have problems with inconsistencies between all of the systems (people not getting billed, delinquent accounts that were still online, random jumble of email addresses, not knowing who they went to, etc etc) so we made a change when we were at about 600 customers in early 1998. By the end of 2001, we were billing over 4000. Having a robust and extensible backend system is critical if you are going to scale the business to an appreciable size. If you are only billing a couple of hundred customers, you can get away with QuickBooks and/or Excel and the like. Grow beyond that, and you better start looking for a good backend system. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 8/22/2010 12:01 PM, Mike wrote: Matt that seems a little harsh. I guess I would fall into the same category. I use Excel to track my billing. I send an email out on the 15th of every month to every customer. Most of my customers are billed the same amount. It takes me less than an hour each month to do my initial billing, and probably a couple hours more to chase deadbeats. I do no paper billing, it is all via email. I've been doing it for a few years now and don't feel like I'm destined for failure. Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Just a quick point here, because this is a key element for WISP operators Mike, if you are too poor to pay the $2000 or devote the time to setup a billing system then you should seriously question whether you should be in this business at all. Once the initial network deployment is completed, backend and billing is the most important element of a WISP business. Ignore it at your own peril. Spending too much on equipment and not enough on handling the a/r is the leading cause of bankruptcy and irrelevance among WISP operators. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 8/22/2010 7:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been setting up FreeSide... forever. 1) I'm too poor to hire it out properly. 2) I haven't had the time to dedicate to it to finishing it up. I remember seeing someone on here made a new backend system. I'm thinking it was WISPMon, but I'm not sure if there's another out there that a WISP made. It looks as though WISPMon certain does things that FreeSide doesn't and looks a hell of a lot better. However, does it do everything that FreeSide does? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik OSPF Problem
Butch - your post was fine except for the first sentence. No need to pick at wounds at this point. Let it go. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 8/15/2010 5:49 PM, Butch Evans wrote: On Sat, 2010-08-14 at 17:15 -0400, Scott Reed wrote: I have an RB433AH running ROS3.30. It has been running well for months or longer. Yesterday afternoon it lost the OSPF routes that come in from the backhaul interface. I rebooted. Still no go. It showed 9 potential neighbors in Init state on that interface. It gets neighbors on the wireless AP interface. I power cycled it this morning. Same thing, 9 neighbors in Init state. On of those neighbors is inches away so I put a 3 foot jumper between ether2 on the bad unit to ether2 on the good one. They instantly became neighbors. What do I need to look for on the interface that is not working to get it to go to the next step? By the way, that interface is the link to the Internet for 2 APs and all of the customers on those 2 APs are moving traffic, so it is not a physical interface that is not working. Hopefully Jim Patient won't think this is advertising, so I'll post it here. It is likely that you may be seeing a duplex mismatch at some point in the network. Another possibility is that you have an incomplete bridge somewhere (backhaul maybe?), such as would occur with an 802.11 based client-ap setup. Without more information, it's hard to say what could be causing this issue. State init means that we have seen the hello(s) from the neighbor, but they have not seen ours. This indicates some failure of packets in one direction, so I am guessing a duplex problem. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OS Humor
http://www.google.com/buzz/thastoner/T8pswjDZNmW/How-Fanboys-See-Operating-Systems hehe WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overheating UPS?
It is getting ready to fail.I have had two APCs that got hot and failed soon after.One made for an awful stink in the NOC when it finally went. I thought the building was on fire. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 7/27/2010 7:39 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: One of my UPS's at a house/tower was chirping, I sent a technician to pull the unit in for testing. It was so hot that they had to wrap it in towels to move it, it wasn't chirping when he got there. It has a minimum load of about 3-4 amps for a couple Mikrotik and Motorola radios on it with a switch and remote reboot unit. The UPS was in an attic of the house and it is averaging about 95 degrees (we don't have humidity here) outside so I figure over 100 in the attic. I'll let it cool down overnight in the office but my guess is the chirping was a high temp warning, any ideas? SmartAPC Model SUA 750 - about a year old. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........
I don't use Tranzeos for APs - except for 900mhz and they will soon be replaced with Mikrotik, which seems to work well with Tranzeo 900mhz CPEs. Save some of your blowing up anger for some Smartbridges stuff. I have a few of those that I'd love to drop from a tower. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 6/14/2010 10:01 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: How many TR 6000's do you want for your AP's? bawhahahahahahaha One of these days I'm gonna remember to take a video cam along and toss one out of the 65' bucket truck! I sure wish I had this guy's tool for fixing crappy hardware! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd6HR35fBDU marlon - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Listsli...@manageisp.com To:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Anyone who has Tranzeo CPQ15, CPQ19, SL2-15, SL2N, SL5 or TR5a radios for sale, please contact me. We are switching to 10mhz channels and I have about 500 or so of the older CPE200 and CPE80 radios to switch out. I've been buying a lot of NS2/NS5 and Bullet2/Bullet5, but it is a lot easier to switch to a Tranzeo when the customer already has a Tranzeo, and there are quite a few situations where a Tranzeo works better than a Ubiquiti radio. Matt Larsen mlar...@vistabeam.com On 6/11/2010 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: An NS2 is $80 list. I think most will agree it is superior, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: $100 I doubt it. New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that gain (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even less. Why buy old/used Wifi? Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used. Good luck with liquidating, but I'd side with Chuck, that you'd be lucky to get $50, on the high side. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Tranzeo CPQ 19f We are switching frequencies and have between 50 and 100 to sell. Hoping they are worth around $100. Please reply offlist to i...@jcwifi.com. Sara Gray WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........
Z-Com GZ-901 card. I have been meaning to experiment with the card that comes in a Tranzeo radio to see if it will work as well (I assume it will). Right now, it seems like the MT AP has improved the latency by about 50%, and it is very nice to have queues, radius authentication, routing and a dhcp server in the AP. It is not the cure all that I was hoping for, however. I might try to swap out a few Tranzeos to MT CPE with Nstreme running to see if that fixes some of the latency issues we keep coming across with 900mhz. The occasional 1 second ping times are not a lot of fun. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 6/15/2010 2:14 AM, Blair Davis wrote: MikroTik AP with Tranzeo CPE... on 900MHz??!?!??! What radio card in the MikroTik AP? Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I don't use Tranzeos for APs - except for 900mhz and they will soon be replaced with Mikrotik, which seems to work well with Tranzeo 900mhz CPEs. Save some of your blowing up anger for some Smartbridges stuff. I have a few of those that I'd love to drop from a tower. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Gear
On 6/11/2010 11:06 AM, Michael Baird wrote: I've got some Tranzeo gear for sale, not sure of the exact quantities, just let me know what you need. We've tested/cleared and upgraded all of these units, the 2.4 units all support 5/10/20 mhz channel widths. TR-CPQ-15's - $40 TR-CPQ-19's - $60 TR-5A's - $100 TR-6000's - $100 Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Hello Michael, I am interested in the CPQ15 and CPQ19 units. How many of each to do you have? Matt Larsen mlar...@vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........
Anyone who has Tranzeo CPQ15, CPQ19, SL2-15, SL2N, SL5 or TR5a radios for sale, please contact me. We are switching to 10mhz channels and I have about 500 or so of the older CPE200 and CPE80 radios to switch out. I've been buying a lot of NS2/NS5 and Bullet2/Bullet5, but it is a lot easier to switch to a Tranzeo when the customer already has a Tranzeo, and there are quite a few situations where a Tranzeo works better than a Ubiquiti radio. Matt Larsen mlar...@vistabeam.com On 6/11/2010 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: An NS2 is $80 list. I think most will agree it is superior, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: $100 I doubt it. New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that gain (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even less. Why buy old/used Wifi? Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used. Good luck with liquidating, but I'd side with Chuck, that you'd be lucky to get $50, on the high side. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Tranzeo CPQ 19f We are switching frequencies and have between 50 and 100 to sell. Hoping they are worth around $100. Please reply offlist to i...@jcwifi.com. Sara Gray WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Customer ID-10-T problems
So we get an angry call from a customer demanding that we come out to fix their computer, because their Internet hasn't worked for a couple of months. Check the system logs, and yes - her link has been down for 13 days. Since we have an automated system that calls every two days when a customer is down for 48hours or longer, and then we have office staff call nearly every day after that period until we get an answer. At fourteen days, she had received no less than eight phone calls, none of which had been answered. We are very proactive about customer outages. Customer also had a long history of not responding to phone calls and had twice not been at home when our tech made the 50 mile round trip to her house. There was a bit of a history there. Now that we had her on the phone, we dropped everything and sent the nearest available tech to look at the problem. She has no idea how much of an effort that is right now because we have had THREE major hailstorms and multiple tornadoes come through our area in the last two weeks and all of our service staff and contractors are booked solid for two weeks to deal with radios damaged by the storms, ripped off of roofs, or re-aimed by the strong winds. It all boiled down to two simple things, one that is very common and one that we had never come across before. 1) Her POE was plugged in backwards. 2) After plugging in the POE, she was still getting a page could not be displayed page in Internet Explorer. Tech sat down and started doing some testing to see what was going on. Pings were fine, email seemed to work fine, technician's laptop got on and was able to do everything normal on her connection. Plugged it back into her computer and got the same error. Tech puts in our home page and it comes right up. Checks browser settings and find out that she had set her HOME PAGE to the dnserror.htm file (IE - the file that comes up when DNS isn't working) - which was putting up an error everytime she started her browser. #...@#$%@#...@#$%@#! Her next bill will have a $35 service call attached to it. I'd like to deliver it wrapped around a large rock through a window, but we will probably just put it in the mail. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.
Boy, I can't wait until some hacker figures out how to goatse this. That will make for a pretty ugly search page. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 6/9/2010 11:24 PM, Robert West wrote: What be this Google visual abomination!!! YAR! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies
I have had good experiences with Landmark Financial in Denver.Good folks. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 6/4/2010 11:52 PM, David wrote: Both CTI and Boun at doubleradius can help get you with honest leasing companies. David -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 6:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies I've applied to several leasing companies, mostly for licensed links. All of them gave me an appox. rate for a five year term of under 10% per year. Then, after they ran credit, they came back with a monthly payment but wouldn't tell me the rate. I calculated it to be over 25% annually in all of the cases. When I talked to them about it, they all said that they don't actually do rates, they just give a monthly amount, since that's easier for people to understand. In all of the cases, if we had signed up, we would have paid more than three times what the equipment cost by the time the lease was done. One of them even tried that old Rule of 78 method for calulating interest. I didn't even think that was still legal in the US! Two of them verbally told us the lease was for a $1 buyout, but then in the fine print it said we would have to pay, fair market value, whatever that means. If I ever find a honest leasing company, it'll make my business easier and more profitable. Until then, we'll continue to grow slowly. Cheers, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How the FCC Proposes the Regulate Broadband
Mark, I would like to thank you for your interesting and obivously well thought out post. I am firmly of the camp that USF should be completely discontinued, and my efforts going forward will be to encourage its disbandment. The major goals of the original USF program have been completed for some time now, and the program is no longer needed. USF is providing unneeded subsidization of wireless cellular carriers, some very large corporations (CenturyLink) and many rural ILECs that take USF money and use it to warehouse spectrum and compete with WISPs. The politically correct thing to do would be to find allies for our other positions and offer to support USF reform that will be inclusive of WISPs. I have had enough experience with the paperwork, legal wrangling and political skullduggery at the state and federal levels involved in getting USF to recognize that it is almost totally incompatible with WISPs. USF is HURTING the deployment of broadband in the US by supporting the entities that have either failed to deliver broadband to many of their rural service areas (CenturyLink), have delivered broadband but are now using the funds to subsidize other activities such as spectrum warehousing (many small ILECs) or are using it to fund the buildout of cellular networks (cellphone companies) that provide awful coverage in rural areas. From a philosophical and practical standpoint, USF should be abolished. The funds left in their coffers can be used to establish a smaller, tightly focused program for schools and libraries - entities that are legitimately benefitting from USF. USF has strong support from telcos and they are great at focusing on the tiny parts of the program that are beneficial and the threat that some telcos will go under without USF support - while the vast majority of the money that comes out of USF goes to the bottom line of profitable companies with ties to the original monopoly players. It is time for a quick lesson about the economic concept of Fast Failure. One of the very best features of capitalism and the entrepeneurial environment of the United States is that a business can and should fail if it turns out to not be economically feasible. When that business fails, its resources are redistributed and another business can step in. Subsidizing a business that doesn't need subsidization, or creating a monopolistic situation through subsidization or regulation leads to inefficiencies in the system. USF is being used to support businesses that don't need the support and it creates an anti-competitive environment. I would really like to see USF disappear. It just doesn't make sense to me to try and work with a system that is hopelessly flawed and unrepairable. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 5/27/2010 3:55 AM, MDK wrote: As I write, is it 1:40 AM, I'm tired as heck, but have been mulling this question for days, and have finally taken the time to do this. First, to my self-motivated enemies who can't stand anything I say Nuts!, I'm right and I know it. Now, for the rest, who are interested in more than just shallow mockery, here's serious conversation on serious topics, and the excuse to dismiss me for those who can't bring themselves to be serious. Some comments on the strategy for opposing FCC intervention. As is highlighted below - and has been discussed at considerable length in other venues... The NBP, the regulation of internet services, and net neutrality all hinge upon a couple of rather firm anchors. As we know, the FCC lost in the courts when it attempted to simply re-write the intent of current law.The first anchor for implementation of anything is to surmount the law as it sits right now.Either by Congressional action, or by administratively bypassing it. The current administration has demonstrated in several other areas they are willing to coordinate completely bypassing the legislative process, and regulate via administrative rule. IE, agencies simply write new rules that force the intent of the administration, even if it conflicts with current law, or has no basis in law. There's considerable example and evidence of this, by the EPA and other agencies. It would be my estimate that this is the approach the FCC will try - and it is coordinated directly, but unofficially, from the White House. This approach has mixed support and resistance in Congress. Some of the Democrats would prefer this, rather than Congress taking up a controversial topic. However, it is legally iffy. And, there's a majority in Congress which is mostly Republicans and some Democrats who actually oppose the FCC attempting to simply rule by fiat. It's a turf thing, actually. Few in Congress are strongly supportive of enterprise, and the resistance is mostly about Congress objecting to the FCC usurping their role. Thus, it would seem to be a poor strategy to rely on Congressional
Re: [WISPA] How the FCC Proposes the Regulate Broadband
Tom, Thank you for asking your questions - I have some awesome answers for you. 1) Alaska. Alaska does indeed have an infrastructure problem. Alaska also receives an enormous amount of federal support already along with substantial revenues from their natural resources, mainly oil and gas. These Americans would not be left out in the cold - communication wise - if they took some of their massive piles of money and built out their infrastructure. Right now, the Alaska Permanent Fund - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund - has 28 Billion dollars in it, and is primarily used to pay an annual dividend to Alaska residents. I'm pretty sure that money would go to better use if Alaska used that to pay for their communications infrastructure needs instead of expecting the residents of the lower-48 to pay for it. 2) Rural Telco Failure. I have a really hard time believing that a rural telco could fail, but I guess it could happen. In that scenario, I would suggest that the government set up some kind of a trustee operation that maintained the operation of the telco until a buyer could be found. I live in a very rural area, and the majority of the rural ILECs here are swimming in money from USF, and have very successful unregulated subsidiaries that operate outside of the normal regulatory environment. With all of the recent advances in voice switching and remote broadband deployment, the residents of a community with a failling telco would be better off in the long run if the telco was allowed to fail and someone else was able to come in and rebuild with more modern equipment. This is a little tricky, but could be addressed in a more efficient manner than what we are seeing now. 3) Mobile Phone Coverage. There is a really simple answer to this one. There are buildout requirements in cellular licenses that the federal government grants to mobile carriers. They have been effectively lobbbying to get USF money to build out and meet those requirements. Even so, rural cellular coverage is awful. USF has been the carrot to incentivize rural wireless buildouts - now it is time to try the stick. Rural carriers that don't build out, or only build out the areas with with Interstates and highways (for roaming traffic) without building out to the sparsely populated rural locations lose their licenses. This will lower the value of the licenses in rural areas to the point where smaller competitors could feasibly buy licenses and compete. It would also substantially reduce the amount of spectrum warehousing that goes on in rural areas. No need to throw money at this problem, just enforce the existing laws and modify the requirements so that there is less redlining of the more profitable portions of their license area. I think that the idea of pitting the New Jersey delegation against the Alaska delegation is fantastic. Why should people in NJ be paying for phone services in Alaska? I would like to close with an illustration of what goes on with USF. USF is attached to every access line, and looks pretty innocuous on a single line phone bill. However, when I was running a dialup ISP and we had several hundred lines coming into our system, that USF cost was in the $3000/$4000 range every month. Especially frustrating was that one of my main competitors was the unregulated subsidiary of a nearby rural ILEC that was receiving a ton of USF money, had access to low interest capital from USDA and was receiving reciprocal compensation for terminating phone calls to their ISP system. In my mind, that $4000/month was going right to them to compete with me.Their subsidiary did not receive the money directly, but it paid the salaries of their staff and generated traffic into their system to generate more money. It also allowed them to either buy or bid up the price on 700mhz spectrum for a big chunk of the state of Nebraska - and they are only deploying service in part of it. Also paid the salaries of the people on their staff that do nothing but fill out government forms and apply for grants from federal and state sources, and that money was used to compete with multiple private operators. I had to file about 40 or so broadband stimulus protests against one of the wireless carriers in our area that receives USF money because they wanted to get MORE government money to upgrade their network. That is what USF money goes to. Kill. It. Now. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 5/28/2010 10:36 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Matt, Although I agree with most of what you say, specifically there are huge risks that USF will just go straight to the Cellular carriers to build out more mobile phone towers to deliver broadband. In order to win a battle to dispand USF, we have to effectively combat other's objections to that. What would you propose we respond to the following common objections 1) Alaska
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
My son and I ate at a pizza place a few months ago that still had the Galaga game from when I was in high school. He wanted to play, so I let him run the shooter while I ran the joystick. About 45 minutes later, we had the high score, and the next day I get a text message from one of my high school friends asking if I beat his high score on the Galaga machine at Godfather's Pizza, cuz he saw the same initials that I used back in the day. It's a nerd's world, baby! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com PS - I have to share this link with all the nerds out there: http://rainwarrior.thenoos.net/music/moon8.html http://rainwarrior.thenoos.net/music/moon8.html I have fond memories of my Nintendo and the Dark Side of the Moon 8-Track that seemed to be on continuous play in my bedroom. Someone put them together and it makes me feel weirdly nostalgic. On 5/21/2010 9:38 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: I used to spend 12-15 hours a day playing this. I think I wore out several Atari 2600 joysticks. I am not a gamer as my fast twitch muscles were not fast enough for games faster than Pacman. My wife was not aware of this past history and foolishly challenged me to a Mrs Pacman table-top game at a bar one night. She played her turn... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. Her jaw was on the floor, she just muttered what she thinks is an insult: I married such a nerd. :) ryan On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote: But dd... Robert West wrote: Stop playing Google Pac Man and get back to work! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software
Hi Paul, Freeside is supposedly set up very well to do VOIP rating and billing. There are several very large VOIP operations that use it for their billing right now, and although I have not set it up, all of the facilities are there to tie it in. As far as documentation, yeah, it is very sparse. I don't think that it is necessarily to get people to pay for support, I think it is more like they don't have people on staff to write documentation. They basically do support and write code. The wiki has gotten better, but it is still a far cry from being comprehensive. If you have access to some linux/perl/sql people, you can probably get it installed. I actually got Freeside installed and running on a machine back in 2002. I think it took me a full week of messing around to get it installed. When I finally did get it running, I messed around with it for a month, and then took the hard drive out of the machine and put it on a shelf.I think it is still around here somewhere.It is a trophy - like the first time I solved a Rubiks Cube and I put it on the shelf for a month afterward. While I am sure that my sysadmin and I could get it installed and running, we leave that to the Freeside support crew because they can do it easier and know how to fix most of the issues that come up. Freeside is kind of like the billing version of Mikrotik. It is complicated and has a relatively steep learning curve, but there is good available commercial support for it, and because it is open source it can be modified to do just about anything. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 5/12/2010 4:17 AM, Paul Hendry wrote: Hey Matt, I'm just about to start looking at Freeside for automating VoIP rating and billing. Have you had any joy with that? Only problem with Freeside I've seen so far is the lack of documentation which I'm guessing is on purpose to get you to pay for support. Many thanks, Paul. -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:li...@manageisp.com] Sent: 11 May 2010 21:07 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software We use Freeside with integrated RT Ticket System. The next upgrade of Freeside (we are planning on implementing it next month) is also supposed to include a calendar that is tied to RT. This has worked very well for us, although Freeside has a few wonks that have to be dealt with on occasion. All of this software is open source, so you don't pay for the licensing, but you will probably have to pay someone for support unless you have access to some Linux/SQL/perl gurus.If you do have access to some coding talent, it is easy to add more functionality and features to Freeside. We have added business reporting dashboards, bandwidth control exports, integration with Xymon for customer monitoring and integration with Asterisk to do robo-calls to customers who are late paying their bills or have gone off line and may need technical support.That kind of stuff isn't happening with Powercode. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 5/11/2010 1:59 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: Yeah, I was gonna say. I looked at, and even entered my subs into powercode at one point last summer... happily thinking this system is gonna rock! and then I found out that I only get 1/2 of the features that were advertised. :( I ended up not going with them. ryan On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Mark Nash - Listsmarkl...@uwol.netwrote: I personally think it's more like $1.35/sub or $1.65/sub for everything. Our normal bill is about $1200/mo I think for 850 subs. - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spottrsp...@irongoat.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software $1 For everything or just half the features? ryan On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Something like $1/active account. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com wrote: How much does powercode cost? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software I use Powercode. - Original Message - From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:35 AM Subject: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software I'm looking for software to tract customer calls, trouble tickets
Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software
We use Freeside with integrated RT Ticket System. The next upgrade of Freeside (we are planning on implementing it next month) is also supposed to include a calendar that is tied to RT. This has worked very well for us, although Freeside has a few wonks that have to be dealt with on occasion. All of this software is open source, so you don't pay for the licensing, but you will probably have to pay someone for support unless you have access to some Linux/SQL/perl gurus.If you do have access to some coding talent, it is easy to add more functionality and features to Freeside. We have added business reporting dashboards, bandwidth control exports, integration with Xymon for customer monitoring and integration with Asterisk to do robo-calls to customers who are late paying their bills or have gone off line and may need technical support.That kind of stuff isn't happening with Powercode. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 5/11/2010 1:59 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: Yeah, I was gonna say. I looked at, and even entered my subs into powercode at one point last summer... happily thinking this system is gonna rock! and then I found out that I only get 1/2 of the features that were advertised. :( I ended up not going with them. ryan On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Mark Nash - Listsmarkl...@uwol.netwrote: I personally think it's more like $1.35/sub or $1.65/sub for everything. Our normal bill is about $1200/mo I think for 850 subs. - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spottrsp...@irongoat.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software $1 For everything or just half the features? ryan On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Something like $1/active account. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com wrote: How much does powercode cost? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software I use Powercode. - Original Message - From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:35 AM Subject: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software I'm looking for software to tract customer calls, trouble tickets, appointments, and customer information. Can anyone suggest a good software that can do this. Id like to have web access. I've looked at a few but have never heard of most of them so I'm looking for suggestions of what others have used and like. Thanks for any input. Sara WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bandwidth Cap Implementation
Since there has been a lot of discussion about bandwidth caps on this list recently, I thought that I would share the one that we recently implemented, along with some details on how we are enforcing it and how we established the caps. Going back to day 1, we have had a 3gig cap on broadband customers with a $25/gig surcharge for anyone exceeding that amount. When we were using all StarOS V2, the radius accounting information was keeping fairly close track of the bandwidth per customer. Fast forward six years, and that cap was so low as to be a joke -- and we had not been enforcing it. It was also very difficult to collect accurate accounting data - StarOS evolved and the radius accounting became useless in version 3, so some access points were tracking it and others were not. We also have a few Tranzeo and Mikrotik access points in the system and no good way to collect the individual subscriber download information from them either. After looking at several different options for collecting the bandwidth traffic information, we decided to use open source tools to develop our own solution. We installed a switch between our core and edge routers -- behind the NAT so that it could see all customer's IP addresses -- and mirrored a port to our new collection server. The collection server is a Linux box running CentOS 5.2. The linux box is using softflowd-0.98 to collect the netflows, and flow-tools-v-0.68.5 to look at the data. Daily reports are mailed out to our techs list to show the customer who are nearing or over their caps. A customer page was created that shows the customers how much bandwidth they have used, how much they have left before charges and what their overage charges are (if any). The customer page also shows their historical usage trend for the last 12 months -- starting with April 2010 when we started collecting the information. Starting on June 1, we will bill overages as a separate charge to the customers on the 1^st of the month, regardless of their billing anniversary. The process of implementing this was quite interesting. Out of 2000+ customers, 80 used more than 10 gigs for the month. One customer - a 1 meg subscriber at the far eastern edge of our network, behind seven wireless hops and on an 802.11b AP -- downloaded 140gig. Another one, on the far western side of our network, downloaded 110gig. We called them and found out that they were watching a ton of online video. We discovered a county government connection that was around 100gig -- mostly because someone in the sheriff's department was pounding for BitTorrent files from 1am to 7am in the morning, and sometimes crashing their firewall machine because of the traffic. We also discovered that there was 80-100meg of stateless udp type traffic traversing our routed network and getting to our core router. Revised firewall rules on the APs fixed this problem. The majority of the rest of the subs on the list were either online video watchers, people with virus problems or who had left filesharing programs running on their computers. After reviewing the usage records, we decided on the following cap sizes for our plans: Package Monthly Download Cap 384k 10 gigabytes 640k 10 gigabytes 1 meg 20 gigabytes 2 meg 40 gigabytes 3 meg 50 gigabytes 4 meg 60 gigabytes 8 meg 80 gigabytes Additional capacity over cap $1 per gigabyte over the cap I feel that these caps are more than generous, and should have a minimal effect on the majority of our customers. With our backbone consumption per customer increasing, implementing caps of some kind became a necessity. I am not looking at the caps as a new profit center -- they are a deterrent as much as anything. It will provide an incentive for customers to upgrade to a faster plan with a higher cap, or take their download habits to a competitor and chew up someone else's bandwidth. This has been an educational experience, and probably one that we should have gone through a couple of years ago. I would like to thank the people on the WISPA and Butch Evans' Mikrotik lists for their input while we were developing this system. Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] [OT] Chicken Currency
95% of the members of this list are probably not familiar with an old WISPCON story that had to do with chickens being currency in Latvia and how I love to throw some abuse at the Mikrotik guys about this when I see them. For those 5% though, I think you will appreciate that perhaps the Latvians are actually ahead of us: http://lowdenplan.com/ The full Mikrotik chicken story is at the end of this email, for those of you who might be interested. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com The Mikrotik Chickens story During one of the Chicago WISPCONs (4 or 5, I believe) we had an off-campus excursion that involved limosines, liquor and late night activities. At one point in the evening, I was in a limo with Arnis from Mikrotik. For those who don't know him, Arnis is a very softspoken and intelligent guy. The rest of the people in the limo were pretty loud and raucus, while Arnis mostly sat quietly and watched. At some point in the conversation, John Scrivner asked him what the gentlemen's clubs in Latvia were like. At the same time, someone else was talking about getting some fried chicken and coming up with money to get it. Between the two conversations, I thought that something was said about chickens being used as currency in Latvia. Smart ass that I am, I thought I'd make a comment: Me: Hey John, what's the worst thing about a Latvian gentleman's club? John: I don't know. Me: Slipping the chickens into the dancer's G-string! From that point on, I have been quite boorishly giving the Mikrotik guys the business about chickens as currency. A picture of a chicken in a hotel lobby became the Latvian Express Card. An order of wings is pocket change Etc etc. It has been an endless source of amusement for me, and not particularly funny to anyone else. Arnis got me at the last MUM. He saw my business name (Vistabeam) and started laughing at me. I asked him what was so funny. He said that Vista means chicken in Latvian. So the Latvian version of my business name is Chicken Wireless.Of course, this turned out to be total BS, but I didn't get it figured out until a week later when I went online and figured out that the Latvian word for chicken is calis. Well played Arnis. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand
Right on schedule, its time for the 802.11 vs Canopy crusades. If you deploy it right, you should be able to get about 40-50 subs on 802.11 based APs. If your application is going to require higher density than that, go with Canopy, as you can probably get 120-150 per AP before they max out.If you intend to deploy symmetrical speeds, you should probably deploy Canopy. 10mhz channel sizes seem to make a big difference on 802.11, as you can then put up more sectors and the throughput doesn't diminish that much with the half-size channels. I wouldn't put up Ubiquiti or Tranzeo APs, I would definitely go with StarOS or Mikrotik for the APs to get the added functionality that they offer. I have several thousand subs deployed on my network and on networks that I designed handling VOIP and just about any other application needed by the end users just fine - all with 802.11 based gear. A special thanks to the Canopy guys out there who have been selling me their used Tranzeo CPEs - your old radios are alive and well on my network. Win-Win. If you are going to scale to huge numbers per AP, you will need to be just as concerned with obtaining high-capacity backhaul than PtMP performance. The 802.11 based backhauls are cheap and ubiquitous and do pretty good up to about 20meg, but they are about done at that point. Drop the extra coin and get licensed backhauls. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 4/13/2010 8:06 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: This is what I am in the process of doing now. We have another 200 subs to be converted next month. Then another 100 subs after that. Not only is it a multiple truck roll incident, but I already paid for the MikroTik gear...and now am replacing customer equipment with Canopy. ROI just got extended an additional 6 months. We just replaced a complete Trango 900 AP with Canopy 900. Performance is just better and it scales. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand Hi, Let's keep it simple and easy. With Canopy your system can scale infinitely (due to GPS sync) and latency is always very low and consistent (less than 10ms). With UBNT, you can build a system much cheaper, and one that will probably work in a small, rural area. However, it does not scale. So, the question you have to ask is: Will your network ever grow to the size that you run out of channels? On a single tower, there are roughly six legal channels in the 5.8ghz band (using 20mhz channel size). None of the other channels are legal with UBNT gear. So you have 6 channels to use for your entire network, and you can't co-locate near adjacent channels, and you can't have two AP's on different towers facing each other on the same channel. The problem we made on our network was trying to use Mikrotik for PtMP deployments and discovering that it doesn't scale. We ended up having to go to every customer we had installed on two big towers and change them out to Canopy. So we had to roll a truck twice. :( Travis Microserv Glenn Kelley wrote: In trying to make the right buying decision - some simple answers may help. 1. What is the meantime failure rate for your ubiquity equipment 2. What is the avg amount of truck rolls per week you run to fix an issue vs the # of customers you have? ie- if you have say 1500 clients and do 8 troubleshooting calls a week then it would be 1500/8 = .0053% ) 3. how often does a tech call come in (w/o a truck roll) that is equipment related... For some reason I think some of the ubiquity radios just need a power cycle and voila - they behave much better... so - what is the average # of calls per total clients that come in that are fixed w/ simple methods vs a truck roll for the ubiquity users ... Moto Users - do you have this info as well: Reason I ask is because I am wondering - if the cost of Moto is actually worth it... as a smaller operator - this information would be most beneficial for sure. Buying a Moto radio - even if 2 or 3 times the $$ if - the service calls on the back side are much less - might be worth it. Perhaps the cost of Radio vs People (both in manpower as well as client satisfaction for uptime) make the buying decision much easier... but having some numbers to go along with this would be great. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] Broadband Fiasco Followup
Apparently my tirade about broadband mapping reached a few ears in Washington, as the NE PSC called me this afternoon to let me know that the NTIA is willing to accept shape files and is willing to relax some of the data requirements in order to get fuller representation from WISPs.Making ourselves heard and showing a willingness to be part of the solution is the first step to getting better results. Here is a copy of the email that I sent to the Nebraska PSC today with my followup comments. Other commentary and discussion regarding this is available at Wireless Cowboys http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/ Matt Larsen vistabeam.com I am writing with further comments and concerns about the Nebraska Broadband Mapping Initiative. After participating in the conference call about the mapping program yesterday, I was left with several concerns. My first concern is about the accuracy of the data that will be collected. The number of providers that have not responded to the NDA request and/or the data request is very high, and that means that there will be substantial inaccuracies in the final dataset that will make the final results of the project flawed. A dataset that only includes 20-50% of the total data needed could lead to policy decisions that could have an adverse affect on the smaller providers that cover otherwise unserved areas by encouraging government supported overbuilds. This would be wasteful of taxpayer money and could put many of the smaller providers out of business, causing a net loss of jobs and the loss of broadband service to customers of those smaller providers. It is critical that most if not all of the broadband providers in the state be represented in this project. The attitude that the state contractor appears to have is that non respondents will simply not be included. I would hope that this attitude will change to be more inclusive of the smaller, non-wireline providers who do not have the ability to generate the requested data easily. My second concern is about the data that is being requested. The data request template is asking for a lot of data that I don't feel comfortable divulging to any outside entities, including customer addresses, GPS coordinates and frequencies used on our towers and the anchor institutions that we serve. Many of the other WISPs that I work with are also not comfortable turning this information over to an outside party, even with the NDA. After several discussions with other experts in the mapping and data collection field, I have come to the conclusion that the mapping requirements would be effectively served by delivering the GIS shape files of our coverage areas along with a summary of subscribers in each census block. I have already delivered the requested shape files showing our coverage, and am working toward the census block summaries. If the data requirements could be adjusted so that this information would be suitable, I believe that you would get more response from the smaller providers. My third concern is about the cost for smaller, non-wireline providers to collect the data. While most wireline providers already have shape files and geocoding information already collected and available, many wireless providers do not have this information readily available and do not have the tools or technical knowledge to get this information collected within the requested time frame. Committing man hours to do this in-house or bring in outside assistance places an undue financial burden on providers that are often self-funded and would prefer to invest that money into their networks. The grant was given to the PSC, not the providers, and yet we are being asked to spend our time and money to get this information together. Coming up with a way to help provide the manpower and financial assistance necessary to collect this information would provide a win-win situation for the providers and the PSC and increase the amount of data collected. Finally, I believe that more effective outreach could be established with the providers so that the comfort level is higher. Sending an email with a large data request and a short deadline for response is not going to be received well. A series of emails with detailed explanations of the program's purposes and benefits to providers, an intelligently designed website with progress reports and followup phone calls to the providers who have not returned the information would go over much better. WISPs have not been required to collect this information up to this point and there is no mandate for its collection, so it makes sense to build up a positive relationship rather than dictate what should be provided. One benefit of this process is that it is an opportunity for the Public Service Commission to build a rapport with the WISPs and gain a better understanding of their place in the broadband infrastructure while educating them about the purposes and
Re: [WISPA] When to route?
When to route? From the very start!!! If you take the time to learn the basics of OSPF, implement NAT and/or use private IPs for the links between systems and use a logical design for your subnets it is relatively easy to route. Understanding the basics of OSPF is really key, because static routing gets too complicated after the first few nodes and OSPF will handle it all much easier. OSPF also makes it possible to build automatic failover into the network. I have several rings in my network that automatically re-route in different directions when there are outages and I can easily set preference for traffic to flow in different directions based on backhaul capacity, latency and other factors. Bridging is a disaster waiting to happen. Every day that you run a bridged network is a day closer to the eventual disaster. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 4/13/2010 11:37 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Yes if you route at the CPE then the backhauls can bridge and your (mostly) good (this is how i do it) What you need to worry about here is clients who plug in their routers backwards and things like that. It helps if you do not have client routers (routing/dhcp in the CPE, switch inside) On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Mark Dueckm...@netking.bz wrote: Question: If you have all client computers behind a router, then you are mostly protected from broadcasting and the need for routing is not that high, right? I have a small network and I'm starting to do some routing between longer backhaul links, and between cities. So far, I don't know if I've seen a difference yet. On 04/13/2010 10:08 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We're up to about 400 subs on one half of the network. We're about to start routing. We'll know in a few months if it helps or not. marlon - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnenos10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 9:02 AM Subject: [WISPA] When to route? OK, I know: friends don't let friends bridge networks. But at what if the networks are small? The reason I ask is I'm wondering if I'd have anything to gain by setting up static routing (now that the new UBNT beta added this to the gui). What I have is a satellite internet modem going to an MT box. The MT box is wired to an 802.11g AP/wired switch (which has wireless clients). Also wired to that switch are two backhauls with clients at the far ends. One backhaul is a pair of PS2's (the one closest to the switch is WDS Station and the far end is WDS AP with clients). The other backhaul is a pair of NS5M's running Airmax (obviously no clients) and wired to the far NS5M is a Bullet 2M running as 802.11b/g/n AP with clients. All the hardware is in the 192.168.7.x/24 range as are most of the clients, though I give some clients addresses in the 192.168.0.x/24 range to keep them isolated from the hardware and other clients. The MT box doesn't allow traffic between the 192.168.7.x and the 192.168.0.x net. ---PS2~~~PS2 with clients (192.168.0.x) / Sat modem---MT box---switch/ap with clients 192.168.7.x \ NS5M~NS5MBullet2M with clients 192.168.7.x I'm assuming now traffic for all clients transit all segments of the network i.e. traffic for a client wirelessly connected to the Bullet2M is also transiting the segment of the network comprised of the PS2's. Is that right or does the gear (in this case the switch joining the different segments of the network learn who's where and route the traffic accordingly? I'm assuming not. So if I made it so the clients on each AP were in a different subnet and static routed then traffic would only travel the pertinent network segment? Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] connected nation mapping data
I was on a conference call with the State of Nebraska broadband mapping contractors and the Public Service Commission this morning and came away with a bad feeling. Based on the Form477 data, and the PSC's broadband provider registration information, there are 283 broadband providers in the state of Nebraska. But they only have complete information for about 25, and signed NDAs from only 160. I offered to them that they would have better luck getting data if they weren't asking for so much information.The data template that they ask for includes: 1) All subscriber addresses, and the type of broadband deployed at that location 2) GPS coordinates for all of our tower locations, the types of antennas provided and the frequencies in use at that location 3) Key anchor institutions that are receiving service from our system I have had a couple of phone calls and several emails back and forth with the mapping subcontractors, and they (and the PSC) are still adamant about the data collection requirements. I thought that we had negotiated to the point that they would accept a shape file and a summary of the number of subscribers per census block, but the phone call this morning confirmed that incomplete data submissions (ones that do not include the tower verification information and subscriber information in the format that they requested) will not be included in the summary data, or the state broadband availability map that will be released to the public. The contractors and the attorney for the PSC gave the indication that the NTIA is mandating this level of data collection, and that their NDA should be enough protection to ensure the safety of our proprietary information. My position, and the position of the majority of WISP operators that I have visited with, is that I am not going to turn over the information that they are asking for. Full disclosure of all my tower sites and the addresses of my customers is an onerous request and fundamentally unnecessary to determine where broadband coverage exists within the state. I would prefer to run the risk of being overbuilt by a government funded program in the future than to turn over information to entities (NTIA in particular) that could be legally obligated to turn over that information through a FOIA request. I don't know whether it is too late to push back at the NTIA to reduce the data that they are requesting. I can sympathise to a certain degree with the PSC and the contractors, as they are just trying to collect the data that NTIA has mandated them to collect. But they are simply asking for too much information. In the end, it will be another inaccurate representation of broadband coverage and that information will be used to develop policy and programs that will make the competitive environment for WISPs and other independent ISPs even more difficult to succeed in. That sucks. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 4/12/2010 10:29 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: BTOP Mapping grants given to States are Federal initiatives. The states have to answer and report to the Feds on their progress. Basically they will report to the Feds, who they contacted, and who provided info and who didn't. The State mappers have little authority to do anything about whether you give them information or not. But the Feds potentially could. Remember it is FCC policy/law to provide Form 477 data, down to Census track. It may come down to a legal issue on whether the FCC has authority to demand confidential information or not from provate companies. When a WISP does not provide info, whether the Feds or States make a stink about it, may depend on the impact of the data that would be missing, and their real legal opinion which I'm sure they would not truly disclose outside of court. In MD, we were just contacted, and the mapping initiative is really a racket for free money. MD had already started a very substanial mapping effort at the State Level. But that is considered different. So with teh BTOP mapping grant they got, they cant or choose not to use the pre-existing MApping platform, and basically are starting a seperate project to comply to the federal initatives. Basically DOUBLE spending, to get the FREE money. Or maybe I should say different applicants would be beneficiaries of the mapping funds. The mapping group in our state was given to a legit group that was formed by the state and gained many members of wireline and fiber carriers. They reached out to me with intent to try to amicably work with us, but they were surprised by some of the comments that I made prior. For example, they brought up the benefit of lead generation if I filed. I stated... If they were going to post my coverage and contact info for the world to see, I wouldn't file because I dont want everyone from all over the place calling me for service, because it would clog our sales lines with unqualified or less
Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste
I filed 32 protests during the first round of the stimulus plan, and none of them were funded. Protest long and protest often. From what I have seen so far, most of the frivolous projects have been rejected handily. Don't get all worked up about the waste until it finally comes to pass. It was pretty clear from looking at the first round apps that there were a lot of stupid, wasteful applications. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 4/7/2010 7:29 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Insert explicatives here Thats 26 Y E A R S of my higher end tier of service, per customer. Why the #3!! do things not get BID out? Who can do X users for the lowest $ I mean come on, that is just horrible. It doesnt even factor in what those new users will be paying for the service. I need to find out if they have applies for my area, I manage client networks with qwest dsl and they have been giving some BS about upgrading modems (for a /mo fee) when all the sites have adsl2+ modems. Not good On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net wrote: Hi, So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and upgrade the slower 7meg connections to go up to 12 to 40 megabytes per second. The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers. That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER. Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot, Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4 or 5 provider choices. Let the waste begin :( Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Blocking UDP traffic
While working on our bandwidth monitoring system, we noticed a lot of strange traffic that had no apparent route through our system, but was coming across the wire between our core router and our NAT router. The traffic would be destined for addresses like '192.168.0.10', '192.168.4.5' and the like.I couldn't understand how this traffic was even getting this far across our network, as it is fully routed and none of these subnets are even in our routing tables. We do use 192.168.x.x addresses to give to our customers but they are from 192.168.33.0 to 192.168.255.0, and this traffic was definitely not destined for legitimate hosts on our network. As we watched one IP address that was spewing this traffic, we looked it up and found out that it was actually sourced from the wireless connection at my home. The traffic was UDP packets of SNMP destined to a 192.168.4.x address (internal to our main office) and a 192.168.5.x address (internal at my wife's studio).After shutting down all of the PCs at home, she turned her laptop back on and the traffic started up again. Turns out that she had two Brother printer drivers for older printers that were mapped to TCP/IP ports. We used to have a VPN box at home to tie into those networks, but took it out about a year ago and now just have a Belkin router that does the NAT for the house. With the VPN gone, apparently the printer drivers were still sending out SNMP traffic with UDP and somehow that traffic was getting through our NAT router and going into our network. Once the printer drivers were deleted, the traffic stopped. After we removed the filter for my IP, we started seeing all kinds of similar UDP traffic coming across the wire from many different customers, mostly intended for IP addresses on the 192.168.0.0 and 192.168.1.0 networks. So now I'm trying to figure out a way to block this traffic at the AP so that it doesn't consume backbone resources. I can only imagine how much of the traffic on our network is this kind of garbage. There are a couple of catches here. We use StarOS APs, but connection tracking is turned off to save on CPU, so I don't think that I can do any of the standard firewalling on the APs. We do use Mikrotik routers in our NOC and a couple of spots where we have licensed links, bu since StarOS is on our APs and our backhauls and also handles all of our OSPF routing - the traffic will go a long way before it gets blocked by anything. My initial thought is that we could just setup a static route of 192.168.0.0/19 to 127.0.0.1 on each access point. Then that traffic basically goes to /dev/null. Anyone else have any ideas on how to handle this? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Speaking of Tranzeo......
I have had issues on FM Towers that cause problems with ethernet - not just with Tranzeo either. We are getting ready to run fiber up an FM tower in the next two weeks to resolve ongoing ethernet issues. One of the FM stations most likely has an antenna going bad that is causing the problem. Same thing happened last year, and two weeks after we ran the fiber, the main FM antenna at that tower burned up, with holes melted through the connectors at the bottom.They were lucky it didn't burst into flames. Tranzeo's ethernet setup is actually pretty robust. There is a ferrite bead inside on the ethernet jumper and it does seem to make it work better than a few other radios I have used. Matt Larsen mlar...@vistabeam.com On 3/31/2010 3:13 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote: Ok router swapped out for a different mfg ? You didn't specifically say you replaced the poe, just power supply. -- Original Message -- From: Kosinet Wirelesswirel...@kosinet.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:22:41 -0400 We've been primarily an Alvarion WISP in the past, but decided to use higher speed / lower cost gear for our expansion. Went with the Tranzeo 2.4 stuff for a new POP recently. Connected our first Client out there. After we read all of the words and realized that Vertical Polarity was the other way, we now have great signal. :-) The problem is, we're losing Ethernet connectivity on the inside to the Router. About every 10-15 minutes, it drops off, then comes back on its own after about 5 minutes. We've replaced Radios, Cable Ends, Power Supply, Router, Changed IP Addresses - Still drops off. It's a TR-CPQ unit in bridged mode - Any time that the Router is off-line, I can still access the Radio. Has anyone else experienced anything like this? -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions
Hello list, I am looking for a solution that will keep track of the monthly bandwidth consumption for all of my broadband customers and am having a hard time coming up with a good solution. Our goal is to collect the traffic flows every 15 minutes and generate three things: 1) Internal reports showing bandwidth consumption by customers and that is in a database form that we can perform queries on 2) Data that can be exported to our customer portal page that will show customers how much bandwidth they have consumed since the first of each month 3) A batch file showing customers over their thresholds that we can import into our billing system (Freeside) at the end of the month so we can bill overages Our system is setup as follows: 1) StarOS access points 2) OSPF backbone back to two separate 50 meg Internet backbone links 3) Mikrotik core routers at each backbone location 4) StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location 5) Mikrotik edge routers connected to the Internet backbone Radius accounting is not an option, due to inaccurate IP accounting information returned by the StarOS APs. PPPoE is also not an option as we have 2000+ customers in place and not all of the hardware would easily convert to PPPoE. Ideally, the data should be collectable at the Mikrotik core routers, as that is the place where all of the private IP traffic is still in its pre-NAT status. We have been trying to keep track of it with Netflow data from our Mikrotik core routers, but it does not seem to be accurate and there are documented problems with the Mikrotik Netflow exports. We have confirmed that the data we have been collecting is not accurate, and I have no intention on billing a customer based on inaccurate data. We have a couple of reporting engines that we have tried, with mixed levels of success. I did contact Brandon Checketts about his program, which was close to what we wanted, but it is out of date and he was not responsive so our efforts are focused on either using something open source that we can modify or just buying an appliance that will do what we need. My preference is to go open source because we have multiple backbone connections and also because I have several consulting customers who want to have similar setups put in place on their networks. Also, I want to make sure that this is revenue neutral and can pay for for itself in the overage billing after it is installed. We can install either a switch or a transparent bandwidth monitoring server of some kind between the core and NAT servers to collect the data flows.My lead tech and I are both Linux savvy, and would prefer something that runs on Linux. I recall that Travis Johnson posted a description of an open source, linux-based system that he uses to track bandwidth, but I cannot find the email where he lays all of the elements out. Does anyone have any recommendations for this situation? Thanks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions
That is a great link! I don't think it will solve my immediate problem, but I may look at using this to replace our current Cacti server at some point. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 3/30/2010 1:30 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: Matt - I almost forgot the link http://cactiez.cactiusers.org/ On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I am looking for a solution that will keep track of the monthly bandwidth consumption for all of my broadband customers and am having a hard time coming up with a good solution. Our goal is to collect the traffic flows every 15 minutes and generate three things: 1) Internal reports showing bandwidth consumption by customers and _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions
IPTrack is Brandon Checkett's program, and we did experiment with it, but it doesn't do exactly what we are looking for, and we were concerned about its apparent lack of any new development. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 3/30/2010 1:32 PM, Scott Reed wrote: If you can run IPTrack (see some of Marlon's previous posts) you have have the MTs report by IP address back to the server. I have done this on my network, though it is not running right now. I would be glad to help if you opt to go this way. Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Hello list, I am looking for a solution that will keep track of the monthly bandwidth consumption for all of my broadband customers and am having a hard time coming up with a good solution. Our goal is to collect the traffic flows every 15 minutes and generate three things: 1) Internal reports showing bandwidth consumption by customers and that is in a database form that we can perform queries on 2) Data that can be exported to our customer portal page that will show customers how much bandwidth they have consumed since the first of each month 3) A batch file showing customers over their thresholds that we can import into our billing system (Freeside) at the end of the month so we can bill overages Our system is setup as follows: 1) StarOS access points 2) OSPF backbone back to two separate 50 meg Internet backbone links 3) Mikrotik core routers at each backbone location 4) StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location 5) Mikrotik edge routers connected to the Internet backbone Radius accounting is not an option, due to inaccurate IP accounting information returned by the StarOS APs. PPPoE is also not an option as we have 2000+ customers in place and not all of the hardware would easily convert to PPPoE. Ideally, the data should be collectable at the Mikrotik core routers, as that is the place where all of the private IP traffic is still in its pre-NAT status. We have been trying to keep track of it with Netflow data from our Mikrotik core routers, but it does not seem to be accurate and there are documented problems with the Mikrotik Netflow exports. We have confirmed that the data we have been collecting is not accurate, and I have no intention on billing a customer based on inaccurate data. We have a couple of reporting engines that we have tried, with mixed levels of success. I did contact Brandon Checketts about his program, which was close to what we wanted, but it is out of date and he was not responsive so our efforts are focused on either using something open source that we can modify or just buying an appliance that will do what we need. My preference is to go open source because we have multiple backbone connections and also because I have several consulting customers who want to have similar setups put in place on their networks. Also, I want to make sure that this is revenue neutral and can pay for for itself in the overage billing after it is installed. We can install either a switch or a transparent bandwidth monitoring server of some kind between the core and NAT servers to collect the data flows.My lead tech and I are both Linux savvy, and would prefer something that runs on Linux. I recall that Travis Johnson posted a description of an open source, linux-based system that he uses to track bandwidth, but I cannot find the email where he lays all of the elements out. Does anyone have any recommendations for this situation? Thanks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions
StarOS is NATting at each backbone location - that is why I wanted to put this collection in place between the core router and the NAT router so it can see the customer data in its native (pre-NATted) state. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 3/30/2010 1:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Scott, 4) StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location It's StarOS NATing the customers off of the backbone. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Scott Reedscottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: If you can run IPTrack (see some of Marlon's previous posts) you have have the MTs report by IP address back to the server. I have done this on my network, though it is not running right now. I would be glad to help if you opt to go this way. Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Hello list, I am looking for a solution that will keep track of the monthly bandwidth consumption for all of my broadband customers and am having a hard time coming up with a good solution. Our goal is to collect the traffic flows every 15 minutes and generate three things: 1) Internal reports showing bandwidth consumption by customers and that is in a database form that we can perform queries on 2) Data that can be exported to our customer portal page that will show customers how much bandwidth they have consumed since the first of each month 3) A batch file showing customers over their thresholds that we can import into our billing system (Freeside) at the end of the month so we can bill overages Our system is setup as follows: 1) StarOS access points 2) OSPF backbone back to two separate 50 meg Internet backbone links 3) Mikrotik core routers at each backbone location 4) StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location 5) Mikrotik edge routers connected to the Internet backbone Radius accounting is not an option, due to inaccurate IP accounting information returned by the StarOS APs. PPPoE is also not an option as we have 2000+ customers in place and not all of the hardware would easily convert to PPPoE. Ideally, the data should be collectable at the Mikrotik core routers, as that is the place where all of the private IP traffic is still in its pre-NAT status. We have been trying to keep track of it with Netflow data from our Mikrotik core routers, but it does not seem to be accurate and there are documented problems with the Mikrotik Netflow exports. We have confirmed that the data we have been collecting is not accurate, and I have no intention on billing a customer based on inaccurate data. We have a couple of reporting engines that we have tried, with mixed levels of success. I did contact Brandon Checketts about his program, which was close to what we wanted, but it is out of date and he was not responsive so our efforts are focused on either using something open source that we can modify or just buying an appliance that will do what we need. My preference is to go open source because we have multiple backbone connections and also because I have several consulting customers who want to have similar setups put in place on their networks. Also, I want to make sure that this is revenue neutral and can pay for for itself in the overage billing after it is installed. We can install either a switch or a transparent bandwidth monitoring server of some kind between the core and NAT servers to collect the data flows.My lead tech and I are both Linux savvy, and would prefer something that runs on Linux. I recall that Travis Johnson posted a description of an open source, linux-based system that he uses to track bandwidth, but I cannot find the email where he lays all of the elements out. Does anyone have any recommendations for this situation? Thanks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions
Hi Josh, I'm wanting to track how much each individual customers is using so I can bill the ones that go over our bandwidth cap. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 3/30/2010 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I think we need to find out if I am looking for a solution that will keep track of the monthly bandwidth consumption for all of my broadband customers... means how much you're entire upstream is using or how much each customer is using individually so you can find the top few heavy users. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Scott Reedscottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: 3) Mikrotik core routers at each backbone location I took it that all traffic goes through these as well. Matt, does all your traffic run through an MT somewhere on its way out? Josh Luthman wrote: Scott, 4) StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location It's StarOS NATing the customers off of the backbone. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Scott Reedscottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: If you can run IPTrack (see some of Marlon's previous posts) you have have the MTs report by IP address back to the server. I have done this on my network, though it is not running right now. I would be glad to help if you opt to go this way. Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Hello list, I am looking for a solution that will keep track of the monthly bandwidth consumption for all of my broadband customers and am having a hard time coming up with a good solution. Our goal is to collect the traffic flows every 15 minutes and generate three things: 1) Internal reports showing bandwidth consumption by customers and that is in a database form that we can perform queries on 2) Data that can be exported to our customer portal page that will show customers how much bandwidth they have consumed since the first of each month 3) A batch file showing customers over their thresholds that we can import into our billing system (Freeside) at the end of the month so we can bill overages Our system is setup as follows: 1) StarOS access points 2) OSPF backbone back to two separate 50 meg Internet backbone links 3) Mikrotik core routers at each backbone location 4) StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location 5) Mikrotik edge routers connected to the Internet backbone Radius accounting is not an option, due to inaccurate IP accounting information returned by the StarOS APs. PPPoE is also not an option as we have 2000+ customers in place and not all of the hardware would easily convert to PPPoE. Ideally, the data should be collectable at the Mikrotik core routers, as that is the place where all of the private IP traffic is still in its pre-NAT status. We have been trying to keep track of it with Netflow data from our Mikrotik core routers, but it does not seem to be accurate and there are documented problems with the Mikrotik Netflow exports. We have confirmed that the data we have been collecting is not accurate, and I have no intention on billing a customer based on inaccurate data. We have a couple of reporting engines that we have tried, with mixed levels of success. I did contact Brandon Checketts about his program, which was close to what we wanted, but it is out of date and he was not responsive so our efforts are focused on either using something open source that we can modify or just buying an appliance that will do what we need. My preference is to go open source because we have multiple backbone connections and also because I have several consulting customers who want to have similar setups put in place on their networks. Also, I want to make sure that this is revenue neutral and can pay for for itself in the overage billing after it is installed. We can install either a switch or a transparent bandwidth monitoring server of some kind between the core and NAT servers to collect the data flows.My lead tech and I are both Linux savvy, and would prefer something that runs on Linux. I recall that Travis Johnson posted a description of an open source, linux-based system that he uses to track bandwidth, but I cannot find the email where he lays all of the elements out. Does anyone have any recommendations for this situation? Thanks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions
Actually, I could potentially do it from the Mikrotik router at the core, behind the StarOS NAT server. Only problem is that the NetFlow collector on Mikrotik is broken. That is why we are leaning toward something between the core and NAT servers to collect the data. Queues will not work, as I would have to put 2000+ queues into that box and they are unnecessary because we have queues in the StarOS APs doing the bandwidth control further out. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 3/30/2010 2:27 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Then you will need to find a solution with StarOS. Can you maybe set a single queue for each customer and then obtain that via SNMP? I'm totally unfamiliar with StarOS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Hi Josh, I'm wanting to track how much each individual customers is using so I can bill the ones that go over our bandwidth cap. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 3/30/2010 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I think we need to find out if I am looking for a solution that will keep track of the monthly bandwidth consumption for all of my broadband customers... means how much you're entire upstream is using or how much each customer is using individually so you can find the top few heavy users. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Scott Reedscottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: 3) Mikrotik core routers at each backbone location I took it that all traffic goes through these as well. Matt, does all your traffic run through an MT somewhere on its way out? Josh Luthman wrote: Scott, 4) StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location It's StarOS NATing the customers off of the backbone. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Scott Reedscottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: If you can run IPTrack (see some of Marlon's previous posts) you have have the MTs report by IP address back to the server. I have done this on my network, though it is not running right now. I would be glad to help if you opt to go this way. Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Hello list, I am looking for a solution that will keep track of the monthly bandwidth consumption for all of my broadband customers and am having a hard time coming up with a good solution. Our goal is to collect the traffic flows every 15 minutes and generate three things: 1) Internal reports showing bandwidth consumption by customers and that is in a database form that we can perform queries on 2) Data that can be exported to our customer portal page that will show customers how much bandwidth they have consumed since the first of each month 3) A batch file showing customers over their thresholds that we can import into our billing system (Freeside) at the end of the month so we can bill overages Our system is setup as follows: 1) StarOS access points 2) OSPF backbone back to two separate 50 meg Internet backbone links 3) Mikrotik core routers at each backbone location 4) StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location 5) Mikrotik edge routers connected to the Internet backbone Radius accounting is not an option, due to inaccurate IP accounting information returned by the StarOS APs. PPPoE is also not an option as we have 2000+ customers in place and not all of the hardware would easily convert to PPPoE. Ideally, the data should be collectable at the Mikrotik core routers, as that is the place where all of the private IP traffic is still in its pre-NAT status. We have been trying to keep track of it with Netflow data from our Mikrotik core routers, but it does not seem to be accurate and there are documented problems with the Mikrotik Netflow exports. We have confirmed that the data we have been collecting is not accurate, and I have no intention on billing a customer based on inaccurate data. We have a couple of reporting engines that we have tried, with mixed levels of success. I did contact Brandon Checketts about his program, which was close to what we wanted, but it is out of date and he was not responsive so our efforts are focused on either using something open source that we can modify or just buying an appliance that will do what we
[WISPA] Interesting...
Clearwire steals the show at CTIA http://www.muniwireless.com/2010/03/24/how-sprint-and-clearwire-stole-the-show-at-ctia/ Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISP's are killing themselves!!!! - New FCC form 477 report is out, not looking good for Fixed Wireless
I will agree that it is not a good thing that we are not reporting our data. However I did not submit my Form477 data until September, simply because I had no way to give them accurate data! Generating the data by zip codes was easy, as all we had to do was take the zip codes from our billing or service location information, spit out a report and be on our way. Generating the codes by census tract was a nightmare, and I told the people at the FCC that I would not be submitting the data until I could get it as I did not have any way to provide it! I don't think that I would be going out on a limb to say that I run a professional WISP operation, with good documentation, accurate billing and a high degree of technical expertise. Until the definition of the Form477 form came out last year requiring census tract information, there was no requirement for maintaining census tract information. There is also no accurate way to geocode census tract information from address information, as we found out when we ran our customer addresses through a geolocation database and ended up with an approximate 50% accuracy rate. So here is the result - I operate a professionally run, well documented WISP operation and I was unable to comply with the requirements of the report. I did send multiple messages to the people at the FCC in charge of the 477 and let them know why I had not completed the report, and we finally ended up submitting the information on the second report of the year with a note on the application that indicated we felt the data submitted was partially inaccurate due to geocoding database errors and we would work on cleaning up our own data going forward. I can only imagine what the burden of trying to get this information is for the WISP operators who don't have the kind of resources I have to work with. Start to finish, the census tract requirement was a damn mess. Going forward, we are developing a 477 report program that will get our information out of Freeside and generate the appropriate 477 required data. Right now, I have GPS coordinates for about 20% of my customers, and we have a page where employees can login and get a real-time list of all the customers that don't have GPS coordinates. We are using a combination of geocode database lookups using their service address to determine the unknown GPS coordinates, and if that data is obviously incorrect, we use the driving directions combined with Google Earth to determine the correct location. Each of my employees are taking some time to work on this and we anticipate having all of our legacy data updated by June 1. It is a giant pain in the ass, but is somewhat mitigated by being able to take a few months and a little bit of time everyday to get it updated.That is the only way that I am going to be able to deliver accurate data. If the FCC went back to just asking for zip codes, the WISP subscriber number would probably be over 1 million. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Brian Webster wrote: The latest FCC report on form 477 broadband data is out (http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-296239A1.pdf). While I don't see a whole lot of useful data in it, I do see where WISP's are killing themselves and the industry, why? a.. In the periods prior to the December 2008 report, fixed wireless has shown a steady increase in subscribers. The last reporting period the number of subscribers dropped from 808,000 to 488,000!!! That's a 39.6% drop in the actual data that had been previously reported. Know I know that most of the problem is the fact they now require census tract reporting rather than zip codes, but dropping like this does not help the industry as a whole. b.. Because of the low number of reported subscribers, the reporting by technology portions of the report does not even earn fixed wireless a spot on the charts in it's own category. It's lumped in with the 1.4% total of all other technologies compared to the rest of the broadband industry. Hell Satellite has their own category with .9%. c.. The total number of fixed wireless providers reporting is 617. That means there are a huge number of WISP's not filing form 477 and those that didn't report must have a large number of subscribers. The previous period where fixed wireless had 808,000 subscribers had only 505 WISP's report! Matt Larsen and the WISP directory have around 1,800 WISP's registered. I've heard other estimates between 2,000 and over 4,000. Only 617 fixed wireless operators reporting is not helping the cause at all. d.. The National broadband plan is being formulated as we speak, looking at those statistics it appears the WISP industry is in a serious decline and that as a total percentage of broadband provided to consumers nationally, they make no significant difference. If you were a government policy maker, would you even pay attention to WISP's. I
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] [Board] Decision on WISPA Show
-Note- WISPA is currently negotiating with a trade show group to participate in the development of a wireless broadband show. While the decision to do this is not yet finalized, the show group will decide the date/location of the show if that is the direction that we go in. -Note- I also thought that a midwestern location would be better for a show, especially since so many WISPs are within driving distance. However, I also thought that the Chicago spring 2008 ISPCON would be a rousing success, and it was a big dud. That may be due to a lot of other factors, but there just wasn't much of a turnout there. There are substantial external costs involved in doing a Midwestern show. Flights are generally expensive, transportation to/from the airport can be challenging and hotel rooms can get very pricey in the nicer venues. The trade show guys prefer Vegas because flights are cheap, rooms are cheap, transportation from the airport is readily available and cheap and there is plenty to do there outside of the show. Vegas will also scale up to accomodate a larger event. Not everyone is going to agree with Vegas as the destination, but it is as appropriate of a location as any. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Justin Wilson wrote: My .02 I have been involved with the Gi Joe Collector’s club and their annual show. Granted this is a Hobby based get together with a wider audience. They routinely receive 3 to 5,000 visitors at each show. However, they have concentrated their shows in central part of the country as much as possible. Atlanta, St. Louis, Kansas City, and some others over the past couple of years. The organizers will not do any shows in California or even Las Vegas due to the poor turn out for these past shows. The only reason they are doing something on the East Coast this year is a tie in with the manufacturer. I might be comparing Apples to oranges but that’s my take. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net /CCNA – CCNT – Mikrotik Advanced /http://j2sw.mtin.net/blog *From: *Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:50:35 -0500 *To: *'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org, 'WISPA Board Members List' bo...@wispa.org, memb...@wispa.org, wispas...@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] [Board] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Rick, You asked... Personally, I don't think that putting a small to medium sized show on is that big of a production. FISPA does it with minimal staff. I think you could hire someone to do the footwork, working with the venues, sell the vendor sponsorships, etc. I know that Greg Boehnlein (ran Ohio LinuxFest for years) is available for contract work. IMHO, the best show that Wispa could do at this moment would be one that would: 1. Raise some money 2. Provide a fun environment for members and prospective members to meet, share ideas, and bond (think Wispcon 1-4) 3. Give a solid tech track and management track 4. Be in a central, relatively inexpensive venue with a reasonable sized airport (STL, Indy, Columbus, Grand Rapids, etc.) I do not think that hiring someone to manage this is the way to go. It adds cost and (IMO) adds little value. Big shows are DYING. Smaller, well focused, regional shows are doing pretty well. I think the day will come when a big show will make sense, but not this year. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:45 PM To: 'WISPA Board Members List'; 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org; wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Board] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Butch, Members and Observers, There is a WISPA Board meeting this Thursday. Now is the time for all to weigh in on opinions on a WISPA Trade Show. I have met with one tradeshow developer with Matt and Forbes and have spoken to several others by phone/email. There is great interest in outside parties working with WISPA to develop a show. It seems many of these options wish to leverage the WISPA reputation and branding to produce a show which will be financially rewarding to private interests. The question is whether WISPA can produce and own its own show as a successful venture. Our lobbying costs have skyrocketed the last six months, there are calls for an Executive Director by many and there is the cost of producing a tradeshow. Financially, WISPA is not in a position to do all three in my opinion. WISPA still needs to build membership or raise dues to accomplish all three of the above goals. It is another typical chicken and the egg dilemma. Give us your input. We can do anything we set our minds to; we have all proven
[WISPA] Tech Support - Aaaarrrrggghhh!
Here is an entertaining customer support related link to one of my employee's blog posts. http://www.happystinkingjoy.com/?p=556 Sounds pretty typical to me. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented. The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has to DO a show. If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes things. I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for here right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: li...@manageisp.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Marlon, The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our efforts into his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as both sides are happy with the performance of his show. Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no profit sharing. They put in the money and the manpower, they get the profit, if there is any. Our goal in this is to build up our membership numbers and leverage their promotional and marketing efforts to get the word out about WISPA and get people to the show so we can turn them into members. This is going to end up similar to our agreement with ISPCON, but we will have more say in the structure and educational parts of the show. Also, it should cost us little or no money. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer writes: Hi Matt, In the end I still think we should have our own show. How clear will it be made to Ed's group that we'll still be working to our own show at a later date? Also, how are we going to insure that we don't end up with the same problem we did with Charles for his first show? Where there is no profit to split? marlon - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: wispas...@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:59 PM Subject: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show After our visits with the people interested in the trade show and evaluating our options, Forbes and I are making the decision to work with Ed Meek's group to help promote their wireless show, with WISPA as one of the anchors of the show. The details are yet to be worked out. What has been discussed so far is that WISPA will be featured prominently
Re: [WISPA] Semi-OT: Mobile phone platform questions
The Nokia N900 has an awesome remote desktop client and a real keyboard. I'd take one of those over an iPhone any day. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wirelesscowboys.com wispdirectory.com Jerry Richardson wrote: WM6 has a kludgey implementation of VPN that I never could get to work. The RD works well enough but is still limited. iPhone does VPN quite easily and there are more than a few RD apps that work well. I'm guessing android probably does both well. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Feb 3, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do any of the mobile phone platforms support VPN at all from the phone itself? Any have a Remote Desktop client? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Hi Steve, One of the conditions of WISPA supporting this show will be reduced costs for attendees. The promoters want as many attendees as possible and I told them that $250 is about the upper limit of what most WISPs will pay to come to a show like this. I'd like to see the non-WISPA 3 day pass under $300 range, and the WISPA member 3day pass under $200. We will be working on the details this month. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, the only question I have would be the cost to attendees, vendors and WISPs? I can attend computer shows all the time for $599 to $899 for a 3 day show. I never do. However, a $75 to $200 show I've attended several. When we were starting talking about the show on the promotions list it was a lot smaller and easy to price low. What is this new groups price structure? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented. The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has to DO a show. If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes things. I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for here right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: li...@manageisp.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Marlon, The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our efforts into his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as both sides are happy with the performance of his show. Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no profit sharing. They put in the money and the manpower, they get the profit, if there is any. Our goal in this is to build up our membership numbers and leverage their promotional and marketing efforts to get the word out about
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Hi Martha, There will be quite a bit for the Show Committee to work on. Two things I know will be important right off the bat will be coming up with the educational tracks about WISPs and WISP technology, lining up speakers and organizing the WISPA Awards/Reception.There will be plenty to do! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Martha Huizenga wrote: Matt, I'll be interested to see 1) how the show develops, and 2) the pricing. I would also like to see the WISPA Show committee used to help shape this show to something our members would like to attend. We're here, we just need to be informed of what we should be doing. Martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC http://www.dcaccess.net 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/64096486706?ref=tsor follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess /* Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Hi Steve, One of the conditions of WISPA supporting this show will be reduced costs for attendees. The promoters want as many attendees as possible and I told them that $250 is about the upper limit of what most WISPs will pay to come to a show like this. I'd like to see the non-WISPA 3 day pass under $300 range, and the WISPA member 3day pass under $200. We will be working on the details this month. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, the only question I have would be the cost to attendees, vendors and WISPs? I can attend computer shows all the time for $599 to $899 for a 3 day show. I never do. However, a $75 to $200 show I've attended several. When we were starting talking about the show on the promotions list it was a lot smaller and easy to price low. What is this new groups price structure? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
I saw the spectrum analysis software at the last Ubiquiti conference in Las Vegas. It is excellent. It is also a simple firmware upgrade to certain radios. I like the idea of being able to take an AP offline for a short time to run an analysis on the sector antenna to see what noise looks like. Similar to what Trangos used to do, but this one is a really nice interface and readout on your PC screen. It is very good. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wirelesscowboys.com wispdirectory.com Tom DeReggi wrote: Jayson, If that turns out to be the case, it would of course be very exciting for the industry. But, so far, both Ubiquiti and Atheros had been silent about this topic. Our (unofficial and non-expert) investigation inferred that Atheros chipset AR9220 series (Mikrotik) has Spectrum analyzer support and last generation AR9160 (Ubiquiti) does not. From what I understood this was a chipset or chipset middleware limit, not an Operating System Firmware thing. So how does Ubiquiti plan to accomplish this? A Hardware upgrade? It would be great if I were wrong. Was this new news from the recent Ubiquiti conferences? It's sweet. I can't wait. It would have to hear other than 802.11, it would have to hear when not associated, it would have to hear any channel size. Have you seen it? Are there Betas? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul Wait until you see the next release of firmware for the Ubiquiti MIMO equipment. Built-in spectrum analyzer, 1x better than Mikrotik, and almost as good as our $30k HP analyzer. Runs on the unit itself, while it's installed, in place, connected to the antenna. Can even run while the radio is in use and connected, but at a slower rate. It's sweet. I can't wait. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: MT is not a replacement for an APEX, since the value of the APEX is LICENSED spectrum. But, I share Chuck's praise for MT. WISPs have been running reliable backbones on unlicenced spectrum and MT successfully for years. The new MT hardware and Firmwares are really nice and plenty reliable. For any link 50mbps or less, I'd select an Unlicensed solution without hesitation. Specifically, MT w/ WDS and NStreme will do 30mbps HDX on a 20Mhz channel easilly. As well, if you use the latest N class mPCI, you can set it up with a Dual Pol panel. I personally do not like Mimo configs much, but I like using N cards for manual on-the-fly polarity change/selection. I prefer the MT over the Ubiquiti, because the MT can do channel scans now, and thats important to be able to quickly identify free channels if Interference is ever received. But I really like the Ubiquiti antennas, that make DP inexpensive. I personally prefer Tlink-45s, which are a great radio, because they are a ready to go solution. But off-promo MT can save you a few dollars. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul We do as well. One of our MT links has more stability and reliability than a neighboring Trango Apex link. Regards, Chuck On Jan 30, 2010, at 11:38 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone feed to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed DS3 Link! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off list. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org We are a vendor member and a WISP. On a short range, you should be able to use this MT kit just fine. We will support and configure it for you for free if you wish. http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn WISPA Members get free assembly. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 8 of 8 now online
The final installment of The Story of Medicine Bow is now online at http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/.This summarizes the final impact of the project three months later. Thanks to all of you who have been reading it! Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com Wirelesscowboys.com wispdirectory.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 7 of 8 - now online
The Story of Medicine Bow Part 7 is now online at http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/. In this segment, we finally put the equipment online and finish up the network deployment. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wirelesscowboys.com wispdirectory.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 7 of 8 - now online
Where are you sending the emails to? Let me know if you are having any problems with it. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wirelesscowboys.com wispdirectory.com Blake Bowers wrote: Is it just me, or is anyone else having a problem with this link to see 6 or 7? And emails are bouncing. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: Mikrotik discussions mikro...@mail.butchevans.com; Motorola Canopy User Group motorola-us...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:34 PM Subject: [WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 7 of 8 - now online The Story of Medicine Bow Part 7 is now online at http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/. In this segment, we finally put the equipment online and finish up the network deployment. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wirelesscowboys.com wispdirectory.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Story of Medicine Bow Part 6 of 8 is now online
Part 6 of The Story of Medicine Bow is now online at http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/. This segment describes the equipment we decided to use for the deployment and the planning that went into the project. Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com Wirelesscowboys.com Wispdirectory.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 3 of 8 now online
The Story of Medicine Bow Part 3 of 8 is now online at http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/ Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wirelesscowboys.com wispdirectory.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow - Part 4 now online - Making a Difference with Junk Spectrum
Headed to the Ubiquiti conference in Vegas tomorrow, so I'm putting this one out a little early. This section covers how WISPs use guerilla warfare against telcos/cellcos with unlicensed spectrum. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wirelesscowboys.com wispdirectory.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow - Part 4 now online - Making a Difference with Junk Spectrum
Forgot the URL: http://www.wirelesscowboys.com Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Headed to the Ubiquiti conference in Vegas tomorrow, so I'm putting this one out a little early. This section covers how WISPs use guerilla warfare against telcos/cellcos with unlicensed spectrum. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wirelesscowboys.com wispdirectory.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Story of Medicine Bow (Part II) now online
I recently started a new blog site that will be highlighting the stories of Wireless ISPs around the US, along with equipment reviews, opinion pieces on broadband policy and some occasional rants and raves. The site is called Wireless Cowboys and you can find it at http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/. For those of you that don't know me, I run a WISP in rural Nebraska and Wyoming and the WISP Directory site http://www.wispdirectory.com. My college degree is in journalism and this is my attempt to reactivate my writing skills outside of the wireless mailling lists. I have loaded some of my previous postings, but today is the unofficial kickoff of the site and I have a long, eight part story about the struggles of a small town in Wyoming to get broadband service and how they finally got it. It is an eye opener for people who are not directly involved in the WISP industry and a reflection of the everyday struggles that WISPs face. Parts I and II of the story have been posted on the site. My intention is to feature more articles about WISPs in the future. If you have a story that you would like to share with the world, please contact me at wirelesscowboy -at- vistabeam.com. Thanks and have a great weekend! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wispdirectory.com wirelesscowboys.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow and wirelesscowboys.com
I recently started a new blog site that will be highlighting the stories of Wireless ISPs around the US, along with equipment reviews, opinion pieces on broadband policy and some occasional rants and raves. The site is called Wireless Cowboys and you can find it at http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/. For those of you that don't know me, I run a WISP in rural Nebraska and Wyoming and the WISP Directory site http://www.wispdirectory.com. My college degree is in journalism and this is my attempt to reactivate my writing skills outside of the wireless mailling lists. I have loaded some of my previous postings, but today is the unofficial kickoff of the site and I have a long, eight part story about the struggles of a small town in Wyoming to get broadband service and how they finally got it. It is an eye opener for people who are not directly involved in the WISP industry and a reflection of the everyday struggles that WISPs face. My intention is to feature more articles about WISPs in the future. If you have a story that you would like to share with the world, please contact me at wirelesscowboy -at- vistabeam.com. Thanks and have a great weekend! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wispdirectory.com wirelesscowboys.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
I suppose if you really want to look at history we could look at how many oil companies and Texas based telecoms sucked up to the government trough during the administration of our last dumb-ass president from Texas and start talking trash.Apparently the Republicans idea of broadband stimulus is to let the big boys merge with each other, gut the Telecom Act of '96 and kill the remaining CLEC/DSL resellers and illegally wiretap anyone they want to.Ol W just loved sending goodies to his country comrades from SBC. Faked birth certificate? Insinuations of local state pork mongering on a $160,000 loan? Kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel to look for stuff to whine about. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marco Coelho wrote: Well they did provide the fake Birth Certificate and all! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our current president and all... just an observation. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:48 -0700 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Capitalism is fine. When an industry segment turns into an oligarchy of monopolistic entities that use their influence in government to severely undermine their competitors and hold back progress in the name of profits - that is no longer capitalism. That is exactly what has happened to the telecom industry in the last ten years. Capitalism requires competition, a fair set of rules for the players and a fair amount of creative destruction. Today's telecom industry is severely lacking in all three of these things. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Josh Luthman wrote: There is a problem with allowing companies being capitalistic? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: I suppose if you really want to look at history we could look at how many oil companies and Texas based telecoms sucked up to the government trough during the administration of our last dumb-ass president from Texas and start talking trash.Apparently the Republicans idea of broadband stimulus is to let the big boys merge with each other, gut the Telecom Act of '96 and kill the remaining CLEC/DSL resellers and illegally wiretap anyone they want to.Ol W just loved sending goodies to his country comrades from SBC. Faked birth certificate? Insinuations of local state pork mongering on a $160,000 loan? Kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel to look for stuff to whine about. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marco Coelho wrote: Well they did provide the fake Birth Certificate and all! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our current president and all... just an observation. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:48 -0700 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph. I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife vetoed it. Had a lot of fun on the take it home overnight test drive though. :^) I'm personally going to wait for the BWM X6s to start showing up on the used market. At my current pace, I should be able to get a 2008 X6 in about, 2020 or so. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Patrick Leary wrote: Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave 900 MHz hopper? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM To:
[WISPA] Blackberry email problems
We have some customers complaining that they cannot retrieve their emails from our mail server with their Blackberries. The calls started on Monday, and my tech determined that we had about 2000 connections a week coming from RIM, but on the 26th they stopped completely. No changes were made on our system at all that would have caused this problem. Just checking to see if anyone else has the same issues. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT: Nebraska
...just put a serious beat down on Arizona in the Holiday Bowl. Proud to be a Husker today! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Crazy Tech Support
Just when I thought I'd seen everything We have a customer who lives in a converted missile silo that has been using our services for a few months. He's an engineer and has been a real pain in the butt at times when he thinks there is a problem with his connection. He has no cable, no satellite and no landline or cell phone service, so he pretty much lives on his $39.95/month Internet connection and MagicJack VOIP phone - while constantly downloading video streams. Unfortunately, I had worked with him on another project and has my cell phone number so he continually calls me at all times if his connection speed drops below what he thinks it should be at. Before, he was calling our after-hours tech support line continuously until I told him that he would be charged for the calls if he kept doing it. We did identify a backhaul problem at one point, but the rest of the issues have been localized interference at his location, as no other customers seem to be affected by it. Anyway - he calls yesterday on his VOIP phone to tell me that he has Internet problems. I login to the AP and see that his quality is terrible (although everyone else on the AP is fine) so I try to tell him that I'll change the channel. I change the channel and things clean up, then I logged into his radio to make sure the settings were okay, then rebooted it. The radio did not come back. So I sent a message to my staff: I believe a power cycle will get him back on , but I can’t call him because he uses that Magic Jack phone. Anyway, in the event that he reactivates a cold war missile silo signaling system and gets in touch with tech support, a power cycle should get him back online. This afternoon, I get a call from a local number, and it is an old man who is saying something about Matt Larsen calling on the radio having problems with his Internet. After about five minutes of slow, patient questions, I finally determine that he is a Ham Radio operator and has been getting calls from a guy in Kimball wanting to know what is wrong with the Internet down there. So, in effect, mr. missile silo reactivated a cold war signaling system (Ham Radio) and I got the message back to him that he needs to power cycle. Unfortunately, a power cycle didn't fix the problem, so now I am going across town to the radio operator's house to see if I can provide reconfigure his CPE over ham radio. This should be interesting. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crazy Tech Support
Mission accomplished. Customer is back on line. I have a hard time understanding how this would be a pecuniary interest situation, as neither operator was receiving money for the call and this is not a common occurrence. It might be in a gray area, however I also had another gray area to deal with - the 110 miles of blizzard condition driving that would have been necessary to make 30 seconds worth of changes to his CPE radio.Certainly can't be a whole lot at stake for five minutes of airtime. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 14:36 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just when I thought I'd seen everything We have a customer who lives in a converted missile silo that has been using our services for a few months. He's an engineer and has been a real pain in the butt at times when he thinks there is a problem with his connection. He has no cable, no satellite and no landline or cell phone service, so he pretty much lives on his $39.95/month Internet connection and MagicJack VOIP phone snip I finally determine that he is a Ham Radio operator and has been getting calls from a guy in Kimball wanting to know what is wrong with the Internet down there. So, in effect, mr. missile silo reactivated a cold war signaling system (Ham Radio) and I got the message back to him that he needs to power cycle. Unfortunately, a power cycle didn't fix the problem, so now I am going across town to the radio operator's house to see if I can provide reconfigure his CPE over ham radio. This should be interesting. hi matt... i don't think you can legally do that over ham radio as that is pecuniary interest and the ham could get in trouble for it and you are a business. Leon WA4ZLW WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance....
I realize that the request went out to stop this thread. However, health care represents more cost to my business than my Internet backbone, so it has quite a bit of bearing on my ability to do business and I consider this to be a good discussion to have. --- Our current health care system is a terrible mess. There is best in the world health care available in the US - if you are very well off or have outstanding company provided insurance.People that are very poor can get some basic help. Everyone in the middle is screwed - stuck paying almost intolerable monthly premiums for shoddy insurance and oftentimes even shoddier care. The system has been optimized to benefit drug companies, insurance companies and the administrative wings of our hospital systems.It is extreme capitalism - designed by lobbyists - and it needs to change before it strangles the life out of the middle class. This is also not a partisan rant. I don't have a lot of confidence that the current administration is going to be able to come up with something that will make enough of a difference. I wish the Democrats spent more time trying to figure out how to root out the corruption in the current system instead of how to plug taxpayer money into the leaking dike. The corruption has always been there, but the last Republican administration was happy to provide fertile ground for that corruption to grow and really take off. I'm equally torqued off at both parties! I have several personal, painful examples of the failures in our health care system. At our staff meeting earlier this week, I found out that our health insurance premium was increasing by $1100/month. There is no increase in benefit for my employees or anything else that would justify this increase. My monthly bill was $5600/month before, now it is going to be $6700/month. This is for a business that has 7 full time employees and one part timer (who is the wife of another employee). Health insurance is now costing me ~$1000 per employee, per month. That is $84,000 per year! We are scrambling to find a new provider, and should be able to transfer to another health insurance company in January sometime - but it is going to cost us a ton in lost time and productivity, along with another round of policy transfer costs. I know, because we have had to do it four times now in the six years we have been in business. The insurance we have is pretty minimal - high deductibles and no frills at all, no one is really old or particularly unhealthy and no one is really happy with it. I'm giving some thought to bringing back the you are on your own system that my dad used to implement on the ranch. Each employee gets $x/month to pay for insurance or put into savings for health care expenses - and it is their responsibility. I have a feeling that plan is not going to get a lot of acceptance. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Here is another example. I was diagnosed with sleep apnea and had to get a CPAP machine. I used to play in a band with the guy who sells the CPAP machines and found out a lot about how the business side works. I had to pay $350 for the machine. He billed my insurance company $1500. The insurance company only paid $900 because he has to provide them some kind of discount. The insurance company had a new reason to raise my rates. Everyone had their finger in the pie. Amazingly enough, could have bought the same machine online for $500, but instead our health care system is set up to increase costs at all points along the transaction path. Good for capitalism, bad for consumers. Unfortunately, this example is inconsequential when compared to the far larger examples of gross abuse of accounting and paperpushing that is driving our health care costs through the roof. The most painful example has to do with sanitation. Apparently, our hospitals have some problems with basic sanitation and view sterilization procedures as unnecessary and belittling bureaucratic intrusion. I read an article about this in the Atlantic monthly - http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/health-care - and instantly felt a surge of anger and sadness about this story of failures in our health care system. The author of the article lost his father due in part to complications from infections that he got while in the hospital. I lost my father in 2004, and although the technical cause of death was a heart attack, the heart attack was actually caused by a blood clot that lodged in his heart. The clot was precipitated by the blood thinners that he was on at the time that were part of the response to a staph infection that he got while he was in the hospital being treated for something else. The Wall Street Journal - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123854497651476109.html - suggests that nearly 200,000 people a year die because of clotting after surgery or
Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure
It was resolved about 1:30am MST. I watched the first pings start passing from my edge router and switched back over within about 10 seconds. Charter didn't call anyone until 5am, so that is the time we are using to figure our credits. I get a $40 credit on next months bill. Whoopideee d!! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Josh Luthman wrote: Outages mailing list had one member claim it was resolved at 2:30am. Is this not so? On 12/1/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is why we have 3 different providers, with different paths out of our NOC and on different fiber pairs leaving town. Qwest had an outage here about 9 months ago that took two of my competitors completely down for 5 hours... yet we were completely unaffected. :) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Some kind of combination of failure between Charter and Qwest has left tens of thousands of people in Nebraska without Internet and has disrupted the Internet and phone services for thousands more.Right now, the outage is going on 12 hours and there is no ETA for repair in sight. The word coming down is that the outage is on a Qwest fiber, but it looks to me like both parties should be on the hot seat for not having the ability to route around the problem.There was a four hour outage on Charter a week ago that was caused by a fiber cut in Gothenburg, Nebraska. That one killed everything west of the cut, but it was small potatoes compared to this one. Is this truly the level of performance that we can expect from our major Internet backbone providers? It took me about 10 seconds to re-route my traffic to a backup provider - you would think that a couple of multimillion dollar companies would be able to sort out a problem of this nature in a reasonable amount of time. The small CLEC that I use for my backup connection had enough capacity to route around the problem and was even able to lend me a little bit after 5pm when the traffic on their network (mostly businesses) dropped off. It isn't rocket science to figure out how to route around an outage. Almost as frustrating is that there was NO news about the outages anywhere except on the social networking sites (Facebook, Twitter). One TV station in Hastings, NE put up a short story on their website, but I got more news from the tweets and FB posts that people where posting from their cell phones than I did from anywhere else. None of the network outage sites have any news about this. Could this be a harbinger of things to come? I am feeling pretty thankful right now that I have a choice in backbone providers and that I kept a second one. Diversity is a good thing, and this is a great example of why we need competition and multiple options for Internet. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
