Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor
We're getting a generator for a remote site equipped with remote monitoring. Not sure if the Cummins system will retrofit onto an existing generator. http://cumminspower.com/en/products/networks/ http://www.cumminspower.com/www/common/templatehtml/technicaldocument/SpecSheets/Networks/na/s-1518.pdf --- Paul Gerstenberger Communications Specialist Hood River Electric Cooperative Communications Access Cooperative On Mar 27, 2012, at 6:05 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I use a ControlByWeb X301(two inputs, two outputs) for remote control and monitoring. It can do SNMP as well as email alerts (not via SSL). They have other products that are just monitoring as well but they have multiple inputs. It may be more than you're looking for. However their support is great and their product is solid. http://www.controlbyweb.com/ I am not affiliated or associated with them in any way. I'm just a satisfied customer. Greg On Mar 27, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Troy Settle wrote: We’ve recently installed generators at several sites, but have not yet found an affordable solution for monitoring them. Does anyone know of a simple product that will enable me to monitor these things? Everything I’ve found is super expensive. All I really need, is a simple device that can be wired into the alarm contacts on the transfer switch. I’m not (yet) concerned about monitoring other metrics. Thanks, -- Troy Settle, Network Administrator The Wired Road Authority 1117 E. Stuart Dr. Galax, VA 24333 (276) 238-0049 (office) (276) 237-3890 (cell) tset...@thewiredroad.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] RB1100
I have the RB1000 and 1100s in production here as core routers (450G, 750G, 493AH's as tower-site routers, OSPF back to the core RB1x00s). Transitioning all our customers to them (about half done). Been stable so far, aside from my configuration screw-ups. Our only x86 device is running our user manager so we could throw more CPU at it and keep it out of the routing path, had been running the UM on one of the RB1000s but it was taxing the CPU. You could combine an RB1000 or other RB/x86 with a managed switch to pipe VLANs to more physical ports, we do that in some applications also. -Paul On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Aug 10, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: That looks to be the same exact thing as Dennis' Power Router 732. It's also the exact same thing as Butch's MikroCore router. http://store.wispgear.net/Complete-Systems-Mikrotik/c30_36/p218/MikroCore-7,-Dual-Core-2.2-GHz,-1Gig-RAM,-7X1Gig-Eth,2XUSB,LCD-D/product_info.html It's just an industrial appliance. I sell the same hardware. The only real difference is the support you receive from the reseller. Otherwise its the same box sold at different prices. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP
I second this. We had been using Belkin consumer UPS' because of their physical dimensions, but we've been changing them out for APC 750 and 1500s with SNMP where ever we reasonably can. Get ours new through Ingram Micro. -Paul On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Mark Nash wrote: I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] UPS with IP I am looking for a 1500VA ups with IP control that wont kill me with the price. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use netfix with no problems. We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done... -Paul On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that are abusing the service. If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're delivering them. If you sell an unlimited service, them's the breaks. If you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by itself. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
When I googled the issue some months back, I saw a post about blocking the IP for the netflix DRM server. That would resolve most the issues by preventing the DRM authentication, and as a result, the movie from streaming. But I couldn't get it didn't work reliably. Maybe time to revisit that approach. I don't want to block the netflix website of course, I just want people to get their movies via DVD the way they used to! And I only really want to block streaming on the segments of the network that simply can't support it. -Paul On Aug 31, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Emailed 2 of the customers that were doing this. The one called back real nice and apologized. Said their kid was letting the Netflix on the Nintendo WII run while they were outside riding their bike! They said they will stop it. 2nd customer never got back with me, their service has now been rate limited to 256k. I anticipate a phone call shortly. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On 30 August 2010 12:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu. So you are no longer going to be an Internet provider, and instead just be a Hotmail and CNN.com provider? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Generators
Ours is a 35kW from Cummins Power Generation. We chose to run ours on propane so as to require little maintenance and full independence from other utilities (Natural Gas). We sized our tank so as to have plenty of runtime and the propane co is just down the road in case we need an emergency fill. -Paul On Jul 29, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: Stick with Kohler. There are tons of brands - however... The Sine wave that is produced buy others will absolutely kill your UPS's Take it from someone that has learned the hard way. Cat has some higher end that work very well - as well. Kohler does much of what the PMG will do for you naturally. Also OVERSIZE... Our needs are 60 - so we went with 130KW. Gruber Power will spec everything for you out at no cost.then use that to shop around :-) On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Ok, so I am in the market for a Generator. Looking for probably 30-45kW. I’ve heard people say I need a PMG Exciter?? Anyone with experience in doing this? It’s to support our datacenter, a few racks, a few 2200 UPS’s and PDU’s, and Cooling. I find all kinds of different ones on eBay and elsewhere, and am hoping someone already did the legwork and figured out everything they needed and can share? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space. Mounts depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango, and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures. Here are the MTI brackets: http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-MT-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg -Paul On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote: We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when possible. Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need to put up our own. Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole. What hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole? And do you ever put antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you always stay down in the safe zone? Thanks... -Paul On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting
Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? I'm thinking of going this year, curious what to expect. I've integrated mikrotik into our production network and so far it's working well, be nice to have a little official training though. -Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting
I also wanted a plane ticket to Phoenix, hoping I could justify it. -Paul On Jul 28, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: MUM is not for training. MUM is similar to Animal Farm if you've been there. It's more of a trade show and has a few presentations on how some people use Mikrotik. If you want training I'd suggest Butch Evans' classes. I found the basic class to be very informative even knowing quite a bit of the material. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? I'm thinking of going this year, curious what to expect. I've integrated mikrotik into our production network and so far it's working well, be nice to have a little official training though. -Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. -Paul On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
I've got the server in production now. Everything is a bit overkill (except the CPU, but it's ok). 1.6GHz Atom (dual core, HT off), 2GB of RAM and dual 16GB high speed CF cards (RAID-1 in a 2.5 SATA enclosure). The UM interface is still not instantaneous, but it is improved. When it hits the CPU hard (which it does), it only pulls 50% (one core, would only hit 25% when HT was enabled in the BIOS and the RouterOS was showing 4 cores). I see the CPU perk above 50% during those times, telling me that the SMP support it doing it's job and the other core is being used for other tasks. RAM and storage usage is minimal. If anyone else is wanting to try something similar, I'd recommend throwing more CPU at it. This board made for a clean, cheap and easy solution though. -Paul On Jul 12, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I don't know if I would get an Atom CPU for a user manager box but I know that box would be an improvement over the RB anything. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: So you think an Atom based x86 server with an SSD will do pretty well for a dedicated User Manager box? Something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262 -Paul On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: You may be having a disk IO issue - the Routerboards are quite slow reading to disk. A junkyard PC would probably be faster then the RB1000. Do you have CPU and RAM graphed? If not you should...and on every other RouterOS device, too. As of 3.18 or 22 (around there) you get /sys store which let's you move just about everything. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I'd be very interested in something like this. I attempted a freeradius install once, but gave up when I found the User Manager so quick and easy. So would running the UM in a VM likely solve the performance issues? There is one other thing I thought of: I downgraded the RAM in the RB1000 where I'm running the UM to 512MB (from 2GB) when I was troubleshooting an issue earlier. I put the board back into production but forgot to restore the RAM. Perhaps that might help... I'm using the internal filesystem on the RB, can I point the UM to a CF card instead? -Paul On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote: You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a database like mysql. David Blood -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way into our current customer base. I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM on x86 hardware? Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb. -Paul --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Trango Fox 5580 and 5300 SUs For Sale
Curious, what PtMP platform are you using to replace Trango? -Paul On Jul 15, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Steven McGehee wrote: Apologies if this is the wrong outlet to send this to, but would anyone be interested in purchasing used Trango Fox M5580 (5.8Ghz) and/or Trango 5300 (5.3Ghz) subscriber units (SUs)? I've got a ton of these to sell. Please reply off-list. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
It'll be a temporary solution until we get our VMWare cluster, I went ahead and ordered it. -Paul On Jul 12, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I don't know if I would get an Atom CPU for a user manager box but I know that box would be an improvement over the RB anything. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: So you think an Atom based x86 server with an SSD will do pretty well for a dedicated User Manager box? Something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262 -Paul On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: You may be having a disk IO issue - the Routerboards are quite slow reading to disk. A junkyard PC would probably be faster then the RB1000. Do you have CPU and RAM graphed? If not you should...and on every other RouterOS device, too. As of 3.18 or 22 (around there) you get /sys store which let's you move just about everything. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I'd be very interested in something like this. I attempted a freeradius install once, but gave up when I found the User Manager so quick and easy. So would running the UM in a VM likely solve the performance issues? There is one other thing I thought of: I downgraded the RAM in the RB1000 where I'm running the UM to 512MB (from 2GB) when I was troubleshooting an issue earlier. I put the board back into production but forgot to restore the RAM. Perhaps that might help... I'm using the internal filesystem on the RB, can I point the UM to a CF card instead? -Paul On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote: You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a database like mysql. David Blood -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way into our current customer base. I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM on x86 hardware? Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb. -Paul --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
We're being quoted for a VMWare cluster to consolidate our servers. Not sure what the timeframe is, but I was thinking I'd run either a radius server or an instance of RouterOS dedicated to the UM within a VM. Is anyone doing that? -Paul On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Not a bunch of CPU there ... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives Running on an RB1000. -Paul On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What kind of hardware are you running this on? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way into our current customer base. I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM on x86 hardware? Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb. -Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
I'd be very interested in something like this. I attempted a freeradius install once, but gave up when I found the User Manager so quick and easy. So would running the UM in a VM likely solve the performance issues? There is one other thing I thought of: I downgraded the RAM in the RB1000 where I'm running the UM to 512MB (from 2GB) when I was troubleshooting an issue earlier. I put the board back into production but forgot to restore the RAM. Perhaps that might help... I'm using the internal filesystem on the RB, can I point the UM to a CF card instead? -Paul On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote: You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a database like mysql. David Blood -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way into our current customer base. I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM on x86 hardware? Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb. -Paul --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
So you think an Atom based x86 server with an SSD will do pretty well for a dedicated User Manager box? Something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262 -Paul On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: You may be having a disk IO issue - the Routerboards are quite slow reading to disk. A junkyard PC would probably be faster then the RB1000. Do you have CPU and RAM graphed? If not you should...and on every other RouterOS device, too. As of 3.18 or 22 (around there) you get /sys store which let's you move just about everything. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I'd be very interested in something like this. I attempted a freeradius install once, but gave up when I found the User Manager so quick and easy. So would running the UM in a VM likely solve the performance issues? There is one other thing I thought of: I downgraded the RAM in the RB1000 where I'm running the UM to 512MB (from 2GB) when I was troubleshooting an issue earlier. I put the board back into production but forgot to restore the RAM. Perhaps that might help... I'm using the internal filesystem on the RB, can I point the UM to a CF card instead? -Paul On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote: You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a database like mysql. David Blood -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way into our current customer base. I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM on x86 hardware? Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb. -Paul --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
[WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way into our current customer base. I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM on x86 hardware? Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb. -Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
Running on an RB1000. -Paul On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What kind of hardware are you running this on? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way into our current customer base. I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM on x86 hardware? Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb. -Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
How does the PowerCode network management... work? I've already started down the Mikrotik PPPoE/Radius path, would it be interoperable? Is it a modular package? We do billing alongside the electric utility billing (which has it's pros and cons), but I'd really like something that could handle the CRM and Operations features listed on the PowerCode site. -Paul On May 2, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Did you guys change your redirect page very much? I changed it in two ways. I made the reasons and fixes line up and make sense (because removing a virus would never update their account) and added the IP address at the bottom so I can simply add their new computer/router/etc to their account without having them go through Windows. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.netwrote: One thing that is saving us alot of time is dealing with delinquent accounts. Used to take about a couple hours each month to actually shut off CPEs for non-payment. Then each would have to call in, arrange for payment or make a credit card payment over the phone, bitch at the agent on the phone, etc. Now, with the combination of the Billing Server/BMU/Customer Portal, that activity has dropped to next-to-nothing. BMU redirects the Delinquent user's browser to a delinquent page and offers to connect them to the Customer Portal on the billing server. Customers can now re-activate themselves with their credit card, and don't have to go through the embarrassment of talking with someone at our office, and we don't have to deal with them either. And to boot, Powercode v9 now can automatically charge a Reconnect Fee to turn service back on. With shutoffs happening more rapidly and automatically, people are getting used to it and paying us more regularly. The usual suspects that seem to always be late are learning, too. It used to be that we could turn them back on until their check came in the mail. Now we say, I'm sorry, the system won't let you back on until I clear the late portion of the account. That's kinda true, too, because you can manually change the customer's status from Delinquent to Active, and it will let them back on. Until 3am the next morning when the routine hits again to change the account BACK to Delinquent. Poof! This having to deal MORE with the people who AREN'T paying on time used to really irk me. Now, with this system in place, I make about $250/mo from reconnect fees. Hardly have to deal with them at all, and money is coming in much more efficiently. BTW... Higher-end business clients have a HUGE grace period before they turn to Delinquent. Didn't want those guys getting shut off just because the A/P clerk took a few days off and got behind on paying the bill! - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties Not sure if it deletes the account. I doubt it and hope it doesn't, though. On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: OK, but at least, if the account was actually CREATED in Powercode, it is accounted for in the billing program and cleaned up (removed) when the account is set to Not Active? That's a huge step in the right direction for cleaning up email accounts. Since there's no cross-reference now, I have no way of knowing who owns hundreds of our email addresses. You get people putting in email accounts without a first last name that identifies the Powercode customer, and email addresses like just2d...@whatever.com. Currently, I just have a policy of removing accounts that have not been accessed in any way within the last 6 months (deleted about 120 the other day). We pay 3rd party host for email, and we give some away and take in about $1k/mo for hosted email. So cleaning up unused accounts for our provided-free domains saves us $$. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties I see what you're getting at. I don't think the two tie together but I've not looked at it that way. I made sure the account existed, that's all. We don't chargew for email. On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Does it actually count up the number of email addresses you have and put those on a billing line item, or account for them as part of a package? For instance... Customer is given 5 email addresses as a monthly service within their package called Wireless
[WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
We have about 15% of our existing subscribers running PPPoE through Mikrotik now, using the User Manager package. I'm astounded by the usage I'm seeing from some accounts. We do cite acceptable use in our terms of service, but we've rarely enforced it. I'm curious what approach other WISPs take: how you determine your own acceptable use thresholds and what penalties or deterrents are used. -Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
This isn't totally accurate as it's a monthly report and some users have been converted mid-month, but the average download I'm seeing is 5.7Gb. Our heaviest user did 105GB, and one recent conversion is on track to hit 200GB if the last weeks trend continues! About two thirds exceeded 10GB. I think most of those 10GB are running netflix. -Paul On Apr 30, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Our average customer does about 4 gigs per month. That's average, including servers and high end business customers. Someday I'll count the businesses different from the residential :-). We give 10 gigs per month and charge $5 per gig for overages. We've lost a few customers due to this, but nearly all of them want to run file sharing servers and/or run netflix. In short, the ones we're loosing cost more than they are paying us. The good news is that the other 95% of the customer base get GREAT service at a reasonable price and are very happy. We also catch a LOT of infected machines or open wifi routers this way. Most customers appreciate that we're watching out for them. marlon - Original Message - From: Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties We have about 15% of our existing subscribers running PPPoE through Mikrotik now, using the User Manager package. I'm astounded by the usage I'm seeing from some accounts. We do cite acceptable use in our terms of service, but we've rarely enforced it. I'm curious what approach other WISPs take: how you determine your own acceptable use thresholds and what penalties or deterrents are used. -Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
That was backwards actually, about one third exceeds 10GB. Still have nine hundred customers to convert to PPPoE, one by one... Oh joy. -Paul On Apr 30, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: This isn't totally accurate as it's a monthly report and some users have been converted mid-month, but the average download I'm seeing is 5.7Gb. Our heaviest user did 105GB, and one recent conversion is on track to hit 200GB if the last weeks trend continues! About two thirds exceeded 10GB. I think most of those 10GB are running netflix. -Paul On Apr 30, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Our average customer does about 4 gigs per month. That's average, including servers and high end business customers. Someday I'll count the businesses different from the residential :-). We give 10 gigs per month and charge $5 per gig for overages. We've lost a few customers due to this, but nearly all of them want to run file sharing servers and/or run netflix. In short, the ones we're loosing cost more than they are paying us. The good news is that the other 95% of the customer base get GREAT service at a reasonable price and are very happy. We also catch a LOT of infected machines or open wifi routers this way. Most customers appreciate that we're watching out for them. marlon - Original Message - From: Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties We have about 15% of our existing subscribers running PPPoE through Mikrotik now, using the User Manager package. I'm astounded by the usage I'm seeing from some accounts. We do cite acceptable use in our terms of service, but we've rarely enforced it. I'm curious what approach other WISPs take: how you determine your own acceptable use thresholds and what penalties or deterrents are used. -Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] When to route?
We have 1000 customers, split on switched VLANs between three geographic regions. I'd say we have half of the customers on one of those VLANs. We do supply consumer routers with our service, but as was mentioned, they get plugged in backwards, people bypass them, install their own, etc. It's not the best setup. If you can start routing from the beginning, do it. It's much more difficult to convert when you have 1000 customers on the network (as I am doing). -Paul On Apr 14, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Steven McGehee wrote: Quick question along the lines of this topic and that of Vlans, etc.: does anyone here implement FlexLinks (from Cisco) to interconnect PoPs with multiple links between them? I was just looking into that as opposed to/in comparison with rapid spanning tree. Any experience/opinions? Thanks in advance. On 4/14/2010 01:46, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: When to route? From the very start!!! If you take the time to learn the basics of OSPF, implement NAT and/or use private IPs for the links between systems and use a logical design for your subnets it is relatively easy to route. Understanding the basics of OSPF is really key, because static routing gets too complicated after the first few nodes and OSPF will handle it all much easier. OSPF also makes it possible to build automatic failover into the network. I have several rings in my network that automatically re-route in different directions when there are outages and I can easily set preference for traffic to flow in different directions based on backhaul capacity, latency and other factors. Bridging is a disaster waiting to happen. Every day that you run a bridged network is a day closer to the eventual disaster. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 4/13/2010 11:37 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Yes if you route at the CPE then the backhauls can bridge and your (mostly) good (this is how i do it) What you need to worry about here is clients who plug in their routers backwards and things like that. It helps if you do not have client routers (routing/dhcp in the CPE, switch inside) On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Mark Dueckm...@netking.bz wrote: Question: If you have all client computers behind a router, then you are mostly protected from broadcasting and the need for routing is not that high, right? I have a small network and I'm starting to do some routing between longer backhaul links, and between cities. So far, I don't know if I've seen a difference yet. On 04/13/2010 10:08 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We're up to about 400 subs on one half of the network. We're about to start routing. We'll know in a few months if it helps or not. marlon - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnenos10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 9:02 AM Subject: [WISPA] When to route? OK, I know: friends don't let friends bridge networks. But at what if the networks are small? The reason I ask is I'm wondering if I'd have anything to gain by setting up static routing (now that the new UBNT beta added this to the gui). What I have is a satellite internet modem going to an MT box. The MT box is wired to an 802.11g AP/wired switch (which has wireless clients). Also wired to that switch are two backhauls with clients at the far ends. One backhaul is a pair of PS2's (the one closest to the switch is WDS Station and the far end is WDS AP with clients). The other backhaul is a pair of NS5M's running Airmax (obviously no clients) and wired to the far NS5M is a Bullet 2M running as 802.11b/g/n AP with clients. All the hardware is in the 192.168.7.x/24 range as are most of the clients, though I give some clients addresses in the 192.168.0.x/24 range to keep them isolated from the hardware and other clients. The MT box doesn't allow traffic between the 192.168.7.x and the 192.168.0.x net. ---PS2~~~PS2 with clients (192.168.0.x) / Sat modem---MT box---switch/ap with clients 192.168.7.x \ NS5M~NS5MBullet2M with clients 192.168.7.x I'm assuming now traffic for all clients transit all segments of the network i.e. traffic for a client wirelessly connected to the Bullet2M is also transiting the segment of the network comprised of the PS2's. Is that right or does the gear (in this case the switch joining the different segments of the network learn who's where and route the traffic accordingly? I'm assuming not. So if I made it so the clients on each AP were in a different subnet and static routed then traffic would only travel the pertinent network segment? Greg
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik and OSPF multi-area configuration
The best way to transition from our switched network to routed that I can figure is to set up the existing VLANs for our geographic areas as OSPF areas and start dividing off our existing tower sites with mikrotiks on-site. I've had a backbone area set up between our Riverstone (ASBR) and mikrotik routers (ABRs), and now I've created the additional areas for the three vlans. The riverstone has the default route out of the network and is DR for backbone area 0 and is only a member of area 0, so it should be the ASBR. By my reckoning, the backbone mikrotiks should be ABRs (members of area 0 and 1, 2, 3), then the tower site mikrotiks will be members of 1, 2, OR 3. But, they're all showing as ASBRs, and I'm not understanding why. They're all only running OSPF, and there is only one router (only in area 0) with a static default route out of the network. Any thoughts why I'm seeing this? Here is a simple example of my OSPF configuration. In reality the IPs are different and there will be more routers in each zone, but first things first...: Area 0 (broadcast), 10.0.0.0/27, riverstone-1 ASBR is 10.0.0.1 and mikrotik-1 ABR is 10.0.0.2 Area 1 (NBMA), 10.0.0.32/27, mikrotik-1 ABR is 10.0.0.33 and mikrotik-2 @ tower A is 10.0.0.34 Area 2 (NBMA), 10.0.0.64/27, mikrotik-1 ABR is 10.0.0.65 and mikrotik-3 @ tower B is 10.0.0.66 Area 3 (NBMA), 10.0.0.96/27, mikrotik-1 ABR is 10.0.0.97 and mikrotik-4 @ tower C is 10.0.0.98 Thanks! -Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and OSPF multi-area configuration
Yes, they are set to redistribute attached routes. The riverstone has a number of directly attached networks and most of the mikrotiks will be running PPPoE servers and have directly attached networks. So is this nothing to worry about or would I be better to configure this some other way? Thanks. -Paul On Mar 26, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Patrick Cole wrote: Paul, Are you redistributing any other routes into OSPF? When you do this it will make your router an ASBR. Pat Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:05:25AM -0700, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: The best way to transition from our switched network to routed that I can figure is to set up the existing VLANs for our geographic areas as OSPF areas and start dividing off our existing tower sites with mikrotiks on-site. I've had a backbone area set up between our Riverstone (ASBR) and mikrotik routers (ABRs), and now I've created the additional areas for the three vlans. The riverstone has the default route out of the network and is DR for backbone area 0 and is only a member of area 0, so it should be the ASBR. By my reckoning, the backbone mikrotiks should be ABRs (members of area 0 and 1, 2, 3), then the tower site mikrotiks will be members of 1, 2, OR 3. But, they're all showing as ASBRs, and I'm not understanding why. They're all only running OSPF, and there is only one router (only in area 0) with a static default route out of the network. Any thoughts why I'm seeing this? Here is a simple example of my OSPF configuration. In reality the IPs are different and there will be more routers in each zone, but first things first...: Area 0 (broadcast), 10.0.0.0/27, riverstone-1 ASBR is 10.0.0.1 and mikrotik-1 ABR is 10.0.0.2 Area 1 (NBMA), 10.0.0.32/27, mikrotik-1 ABR is 10.0.0.33 and mikrotik-2 @ tower A is 10.0.0.34 Area 2 (NBMA), 10.0.0.64/27, mikrotik-1 ABR is 10.0.0.65 and mikrotik-3 @ tower B is 10.0.0.66 Area 3 (NBMA), 10.0.0.96/27, mikrotik-1 ABR is 10.0.0.97 and mikrotik-4 @ tower C is 10.0.0.98 Thanks! -Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!
We're just starting with WiFi using a Wavion AP and Nanostation CPE, now encountering the quirks. We're having this issue at some sites. Is the only solution to introduce attenuation? I just installed an NS2 at my house which is about a half mile from the AP. With everything at default settings I could only pull about a half meg. We have about 20 clients on that AP so far. -Paul On Mar 2, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Well if you added attenuation with the silo and polarity it would be similar to the window or wall adding attenuation. When a friend moved in and I needed to mooch Internet from the office (three 2.4 10mhz sectors) I just put some books on a jpole mount and the ns2 worked quite well. Wouldn't leave it for an install but it worked 99% of the time. On 3/2/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: They can, I even tested it but I've never had good luck with indoor installs. It seems they always have weird issues. Maybe new stuff is better? On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I had a customer like this - I just moved the CPE on the inside. Use that rubber stick to the glass mount. I know the Nanostations can, for your sake I hope the Locos can too, use a window mount (or wall mount) and put it inside the house. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:54 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Darn county road is between them and the silo :( On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:47 PM, c...@midcoast.com wrote: Buy cheap fiber media converters and some fiber if they are that close. -Cameron I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from anyone else. The CPE is a NS2Loco and the signal is -29! I've already have it aimed up at the sky. So, I set it for H-Pol (Silo has V-Pol omni). Signal now -53 and it seems to have helped a lot. I'm just concerned. Whats the downside? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Regulators may drop broadband line-sharing bombshell
Our direct competitor is buying from us. Fiber, build it and they will come. -Paul David Hulsebus wrote: Not sure it would be good, maybe. It made me think of a post last year where the president of a cable company discussed providing middle mile to their competitors. I paraphrase We know who is growing, and who is not; we know what and where their need is, and when we want to we can cut them off. I'm not sure I want to buy from my direct competition. Dave Hulsebus Scottie Arnett wrote: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/regulators-may-drop-broadband-line-sharing-bombshell.ars?utm_source=rssutm_medium=rssutm_campaign=rss Could be good? Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Best Practices for WiFi/Mikrotik deployment
Now that I grok OSPF (yeah, not really), I must now move on to everything else... We're rolling out our first WiFi based system (Wavion Beam-forming) with Mikrotik routers on the backend. I have ideas how I can set it up, but before I get started down my own path I'm hoping to glean some wisdom from some who have been here before. Overall, we have about 1000 wireless customers. We have about 500 public IPs to support the WISP operation, I have a new /24 block for this new setup and as I free up (most of) the old /24 I can move them over to the Mikrotik. For the simpler example, I'll have a new site that backhauls over fiber to the RB1000 at our main office. The Wavion gear supports a management vlan, and vlan-per-ssid. All the standard WiFi AP features I'm sure (for the price, it better). The possibly more complex example would be adding an AP to a repeater site that backhauls off another existing wireless site (Trango) and will probably need a routerboard locally. To date, we have been running NAT in our core router for the bulk of our customers, assigning static public IPs as needed (the issue is almost always the NAT, not the dynamic IP). Given that info, how would you recommend configuring the mikrotik and the APs? I tend to make things more complex than they need to be. Questions that pop into my head: Can/should I run hotspot and PPPoE over the same SSID? Should I set my first PPPoE pool to hand out publics and overflow to NAT privates, or should I had out NAT addresses and assign publics as requested? How does IP assignment work between VLANs so as to prevent conflicts. I would be configuring a PPPoE server per-vlan right? What is a good methodology to assigning addresses for CPE management? What are issues you have encountered along the way that I should be on the watch for? - Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
Ok, I feel stupid and smart at the same time. I had it set up right the whole time. I don't know WHY it wasn't working on the test bench with a smaller router (RB450G, with the same software, on the same network), but I attached those public IPs to the production mikrotik router (RB1000) and it works perfect. I don't know exactly what it was, but whatever was amiss is in that RB450, not the Riverstone. Thanks for the responses. I'm glad it's finally working, but irritated that it took me this long to figure it out... -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:22 PM, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: It's an RS3000 running ROS 9.1.2.8. I did try disabling OSPF and set up static routes. The behavior was exactly the same. I had inbound connectivity, but not outbound. So our ISP is routing those IPs to our gateway, and the riverstone knows where to go with them from there - to the mikrotik. But when originating from inside our network, it hits the riverstone at 10.0.4.1, but goes no further. I'm not running HRT. I appreciate the assistance. I'll be back at it tomorrow morning to try out any suggestions... -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Which Riverstone Box is it ? RS3000 or RS8000 also what is the ROS version you (Paul) are running ? If it is an OSPF issue or Routing issue... You should be able to set up the routing (static) and confirm if it is one or the other ? Are you by any chance running hrt enable command on any of the cards ? (temp. comment those commands out). I have noticed that with HRT enabled, system does not take new routes into the RIB rightaway.. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF] On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 23:31 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote: It's a Riverstone and Mikrotik. No Cisco from what I caught. Yeah...I decided to go back and look in the earlier messages in the thread. I had already put my foot in my mouth...thanks for keeping me from chewing with vigor. ;-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
Same story, I disabled OSPF on both devices (but both are still on the 10.0.4.0 network) put this route in the riverstone: ip add route yyy.yyy..0/24 gateway 10.0.4.3 and this in the mikrotik: ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=10.0.4.1 (pretty sure, I did it from WinBox) Again, I can ping out to all local resources off the riverstone, but I time out when trying to get outside, but I can ping into those publics from an external network. MacBook-Pro:~ pgerst$ traceroute 4.2.2.1 traceroute to 4.2.2.1 (4.2.2.1), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets 1 yyy.yyy.yyy.1 (yyy.yyy.yyy.1) 0.673 ms 0.132 ms 0.165 ms 2 10.0.4.1 (10.0.4.1) 0.406 ms 0.365 ms 0.358 ms 3 * * * -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote: Paul Gerstenberger wrote: There are a number of blackhole routes and ACL lines for unallocated IPs, that's why it's so long. Probably overkill. I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with some of these IPs. [ad...@mikrotik] /routing ospf export # feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5 # software id = - # /routing ospf instance set default comment= disabled=no distribute-default=never in-filter=ospf-in metric-bgp=20 \ metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto metric-rip=20 metric-static=20 \ name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \ redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no redistribute-static=no router-id=10.0.4.3 /routing ospf area set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment= disabled=no instance=default name=backbone type=default /routing ospf interface add authentication=none authentication-key= authentication-key-id=1 comment= cost=10 \ dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0 interface=ether1-gateway \ network-type=broadcast passive=no priority=1 retransmit-interval=5s transmit-delay=1s \ use-bfd=no /routing ospf network add area=backbone comment= disabled=no network=10.0.4.0/27 Here are the relevant routes: RS-1# ip show routes Destination Gateway Owner Netif --- --- - - default ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.25 StaticHREC-EIA 10.0.4.0/27 directly connected - WISP-201 YYY.YYY.YYY.0/2410.0.4.3 OSPF_ASE WISP-201 XXX.XXX.XXX.24/30directly connected - HREC-EIA [ad...@mikrotik] ip route print Flags: X - disabled, A - active, D - dynamic, C - connect, S - static, r - rip, b - bgp, o - ospf, m - mme, B - blackhole, U - unreachable, P - prohibit # DST-ADDRESSPREF-SRCGATEWAYDISTANCE 0 ADo 0.0.0.0/0 -10.0.4.1 110 2 ADC 10.0.4.0/2710.0.4.3ether1-gateway 0 30 ADC yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24 zzz.zzz.zzz.1 ether2-local 0 44 ADo xxx.xxx.xxx.24/30 -10.0.4.1 110 -Paul Strange...everything looks right to me. Routing tables are as I would expect. You don't happen to have any ACL's being applied to the interface that the Mikrotik is attached too? What happen if you eliminate using OSPF for now and just setup the configuration using static routes? Does it work then? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
I have the new network permitted in my ingress and egress ACLs for our outbound interface. I've also tried using a smaller subnet of IPs from a different pool that we've been using for years. And I briefly disabled the ACLs altogether to test. And when I attach this network direct to the riverstone, everything works. That's why I though it was an internal routing misconfiguration. -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Data Technology wrote: Could it be a firewall rule? Paul Gerstenberger wrote: Same story, I disabled OSPF on both devices (but both are still on the 10.0.4.0 network) put this route in the riverstone: ip add route yyy.yyy..0/24 gateway 10.0.4.3 and this in the mikrotik: ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=10.0.4.1 (pretty sure, I did it from WinBox) Again, I can ping out to all local resources off the riverstone, but I time out when trying to get outside, but I can ping into those publics from an external network. MacBook-Pro:~ pgerst$ traceroute 4.2.2.1 traceroute to 4.2.2.1 (4.2.2.1), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets 1 yyy.yyy.yyy.1 (yyy.yyy.yyy.1) 0.673 ms 0.132 ms 0.165 ms 2 10.0.4.1 (10.0.4.1) 0.406 ms 0.365 ms 0.358 ms 3 * * * -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote: Paul Gerstenberger wrote: There are a number of blackhole routes and ACL lines for unallocated IPs, that's why it's so long. Probably overkill. I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with some of these IPs. [ad...@mikrotik] /routing ospf export # feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5 # software id = - # /routing ospf instance set default comment= disabled=no distribute-default=never in-filter=ospf-in metric-bgp=20 \ metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto metric-rip=20 metric-static=20 \ name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \ redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no redistribute-static=no router-id=10.0.4.3 /routing ospf area set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment= disabled=no instance=default name=backbone type=default /routing ospf interface add authentication=none authentication-key= authentication-key-id=1 comment= cost=10 \ dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0 interface=ether1-gateway \ network-type=broadcast passive=no priority=1 retransmit-interval=5s transmit-delay=1s \ use-bfd=no /routing ospf network add area=backbone comment= disabled=no network=10.0.4.0/27 Here are the relevant routes: RS-1# ip show routes Destination Gateway Owner Netif --- --- - - default ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.25 StaticHREC-EIA 10.0.4.0/27 directly connected - WISP-201 YYY.YYY.YYY.0/2410.0.4.3 OSPF_ASE WISP-201 XXX.XXX.XXX.24/30directly connected - HREC-EIA [ad...@mikrotik] ip route print Flags: X - disabled, A - active, D - dynamic, C - connect, S - static, r - rip, b - bgp, o - ospf, m - mme, B - blackhole, U - unreachable, P - prohibit # DST-ADDRESSPREF-SRCGATEWAYDISTANCE 0 ADo 0.0.0.0/0 -10.0.4.1 110 2 ADC 10.0.4.0/2710.0.4.3ether1-gateway 0 30 ADC yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24 zzz.zzz.zzz.1 ether2-local 0 44 ADo xxx.xxx.xxx.24/30 -10.0.4.1 110 -Paul Strange...everything looks right to me. Routing tables are as I would expect. You don't happen to have any ACL's being applied to the interface that the Mikrotik is attached too? What happen if you eliminate using OSPF for now and just setup the configuration using static routes? Does it work then? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless
Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
I have public IPs, the 10.0.4.0 network is my OSPF backbone network. I'm not trying to go out with those addresses. What I've put down as yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24 signifies my new public IPs. I'm using one of the new public IPs right now, but I had to attach it to the riverstone (which holds the default gateway to our ISP). -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: NAT. your 10.x is privates, you may need to nat them out. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF] I have the new network permitted in my ingress and egress ACLs for our outbound interface. I've also tried using a smaller subnet of IPs from a different pool that we've been using for years. And I briefly disabled the ACLs altogether to test. And when I attach this network direct to the riverstone, everything works. That's why I though it was an internal routing misconfiguration. -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Data Technology wrote: Could it be a firewall rule? Paul Gerstenberger wrote: Same story, I disabled OSPF on both devices (but both are still on the 10.0.4.0 network) put this route in the riverstone: ip add route yyy.yyy..0/24 gateway 10.0.4.3 and this in the mikrotik: ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=10.0.4.1 (pretty sure, I did it from WinBox) Again, I can ping out to all local resources off the riverstone, but I time out when trying to get outside, but I can ping into those publics from an external network. MacBook-Pro:~ pgerst$ traceroute 4.2.2.1 traceroute to 4.2.2.1 (4.2.2.1), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets 1 yyy.yyy.yyy.1 (yyy.yyy.yyy.1) 0.673 ms 0.132 ms 0.165 ms 2 10.0.4.1 (10.0.4.1) 0.406 ms 0.365 ms 0.358 ms 3 * * * -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote: Paul Gerstenberger wrote: There are a number of blackhole routes and ACL lines for unallocated IPs, that's why it's so long. Probably overkill. I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with some of these IPs. [ad...@mikrotik] /routing ospf export # feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5 # software id = - # /routing ospf instance set default comment= disabled=no distribute-default=never in-filter=ospf-in metric-bgp=20 \ metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto metric-rip=20 metric-static=20 \ name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \ redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no redistribute-static=no router-id=10.0.4.3 /routing ospf area set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment= disabled=no instance=default name=backbone type=default /routing ospf interface add authentication=none authentication-key= authentication-key-id=1 comment= cost=10 \ dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0 interface=ether1-gateway \ network-type=broadcast passive=no priority=1 retransmit-interval=5s transmit-delay=1s \ use-bfd=no /routing ospf network add area=backbone comment= disabled=no network=10.0.4.0/27 Here are the relevant routes: RS-1# ip show routes Destination Gateway Owner Netif --- --- - - default ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.25 StaticHREC-EIA 10.0.4.0/27 directly connected - WISP-201 YYY.YYY.YYY.0/2410.0.4.3 OSPF_ASE WISP-201 XXX.XXX.XXX.24/30directly connected - HREC-EIA [ad...@mikrotik] ip route print Flags: X - disabled, A - active, D - dynamic, C - connect, S - static, r - rip, b - bgp, o - ospf, m - mme, B - blackhole, U - unreachable, P - prohibit # DST-ADDRESSPREF-SRCGATEWAY DISTANCE 0 ADo 0.0.0.0/0 -10.0.4.1 110 2 ADC 10.0.4.0/2710.0.4.3ether1-gateway 0 30 ADC yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24 zzz.zzz.zzz.1 ether2-local 0 44 ADo xxx.xxx.xxx.24/30 -10.0.4.1 110 -Paul Strange...everything looks right to me. Routing tables are as I would expect. You don't happen to have any ACL's being applied to the interface that the Mikrotik is attached too? What happen if you eliminate using OSPF for now and just setup the configuration using static routes? Does it work
Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
I just added the network to the riverstone this morning to double-check it's outbound connectivity, it was not attached to both riverstone and the mikrotik at the same time. -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Data Technology wrote: You said that you have one of the public ip's assigned to the riverstone. That might be causing the problem. What netmask did you use on the riverstone for the public ip? If you used a /24 then the riverstone thinks that whole subnet is attached to it and is probably ignoring the routing for the /24 back to the MT. Bret Clark wrote: At this point I think I would just port mirror on a port on the Riverstone and see what Wireshark is showing. I see nothing wrong with the routing statements and I know it works as we have a fair number of Mikrotiks running with RS3000's and RS8000's using OSPF's. On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:20 -0800, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: I have public IPs, the 10.0.4.0 network is my OSPF backbone network. I'm not trying to go out with those addresses. What I've put down as yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24 signifies my new public IPs. I'm using one of the new public IPs right now, but I had to attach it to the riverstone (which holds the default gateway to our ISP). -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: NAT. your 10.x is privates, you may need to nat them out. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF] I have the new network permitted in my ingress and egress ACLs for our outbound interface. I've also tried using a smaller subnet of IPs from a different pool that we've been using for years. And I briefly disabled the ACLs altogether to test. And when I attach this network direct to the riverstone, everything works. That's why I though it was an internal routing misconfiguration. -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Data Technology wrote: Could it be a firewall rule? Paul Gerstenberger wrote: Same story, I disabled OSPF on both devices (but both are still on the 10.0.4.0 network) put this route in the riverstone: ip add route yyy.yyy..0/24 gateway 10.0.4.3 and this in the mikrotik: ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=10.0.4.1 (pretty sure, I did it from WinBox) Again, I can ping out to all local resources off the riverstone, but I time out when trying to get outside, but I can ping into those publics from an external network. MacBook-Pro:~ pgerst$ traceroute 4.2.2.1 traceroute to 4.2.2.1 (4.2.2.1), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets 1 yyy.yyy.yyy.1 (yyy.yyy.yyy.1) 0.673 ms 0.132 ms 0.165 ms 2 10.0.4.1 (10.0.4.1) 0.406 ms 0.365 ms 0.358 ms 3 * * * -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote: Paul Gerstenberger wrote: There are a number of blackhole routes and ACL lines for unallocated IPs, that's why it's so long. Probably overkill. I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with some of these IPs. [ad...@mikrotik] /routing ospf export # feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5 # software id = - # /routing ospf instance set default comment= disabled=no distribute-default=never in-filter=ospf-in metric-bgp=20 \ metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto metric-rip=20 metric-static=20 \ name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \ redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no redistribute-static=no router-id=10.0.4.3 /routing ospf area set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment= disabled=no instance=default name=backbone type=default /routing ospf interface add authentication=none authentication-key= authentication-key-id=1 comment= cost=10 \ dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0 interface=ether1-gateway \ network-type=broadcast passive=no priority=1 retransmit-interval=5s transmit-delay=1s \ use-bfd=no /routing ospf network add area=backbone comment= disabled=no network=10.0.4.0/27 Here are the relevant routes: RS-1# ip show routes Destination Gateway Owner Netif --- --- - - default ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.25 StaticHREC-EIA 10.0.4.0/27 directly connected - WISP-201 YYY.YYY.YYY.0/2410.0.4.3 OSPF_ASE WISP-201 XXX.XXX.XXX.24/30
Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
It's an RS3000 running ROS 9.1.2.8. I did try disabling OSPF and set up static routes. The behavior was exactly the same. I had inbound connectivity, but not outbound. So our ISP is routing those IPs to our gateway, and the riverstone knows where to go with them from there - to the mikrotik. But when originating from inside our network, it hits the riverstone at 10.0.4.1, but goes no further. I'm not running HRT. I appreciate the assistance. I'll be back at it tomorrow morning to try out any suggestions... -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Which Riverstone Box is it ? RS3000 or RS8000 also what is the ROS version you (Paul) are running ? If it is an OSPF issue or Routing issue... You should be able to set up the routing (static) and confirm if it is one or the other ? Are you by any chance running hrt enable command on any of the cards ? (temp. comment those commands out). I have noticed that with HRT enabled, system does not take new routes into the RIB rightaway.. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF] On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 23:31 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote: It's a Riverstone and Mikrotik. No Cisco from what I caught. Yeah...I decided to go back and look in the earlier messages in the thread. I had already put my foot in my mouth...thanks for keeping me from chewing with vigor. ;-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
I'm having a heck of a time setting up OSPF for my network. We've been running
a switched network with a Riverstone router on the border, but we've long
outgrown that configuration. I have a Mikrotik RB1000U in the rack running v4.5
that we're going to use for our expansion and convert existing subscribers over
to. If I can get the dang thing to work anyway.
So, here's what I got:
The Riverstone is still on the border, and will be until I can talk the
higher-ups into replacing it. It still works and has plenty of capacity for us
still, it's just that Riverstone Networks went under some time ago and there is
no support for these things anymore. Anyway, it's here, and it has the default
route to our provider. I have a new range of public IPs, and I need to have
those public IPs accessible from the Mikrotik[s].
At this point, I have OSPF running between the routers, both the Riverstone and
the Mikrotiks are advertising their attached networks, and the Riverstone
appears to be redistributing it's default route in OSPF. Everything works
locally, but I'm not able to get OUT to the internet from our public addresses
when attached to the Mikrotik.
BUT, I do have connectivity from an outside network IN to those addresses.
Something is not working/configured to make the routing bidirectional. I don't
understand what else I need to do.
If I directly attach the public addresses to the Riverstone, everything works.
I have allowed that network it in the applicable ACLs, etc.
Can anyone offer me some tips and suggestions? I've worn myself out
troubleshooting it, I just don't know what else to look for!
Thanks!
---
Paul Gerstenberger
Hood River Electric Cooperative
Communications Access Cooperative
[provider] - We have three Class-C networks of Public IPs assigned to us
--
{default gateway}
--
[riverstone] - Our core router, runs NAT and has directly connected networks of
private and public IPs, uses static route / default gateway to our upstream
provider. Two of the Class-C public ranges are used directly on the riverstone.
--
{ospf}
--
[RB1000 w/ v4.5] - Runs user manager, planning on running PPPoE over vlans to
our access points. I want to be able to assign addresses from our third Class-C
as needed and run NAT for the bulk of customers.
--
{PPPoE}
--
[subscribers] - Using a consumer router (D-Link, Netgear, TrendNet, etc) as
PPPoE client.
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Re: [WISPA] is Google our next competitor?
Google said it will offer network access to between 50,000 and 500,000 people at a competitive prices. I like how they are estimating by a whole order of magnitude. My company is likely to hook up between 20 and 200 new customers this month. -Paul On Feb 10, 2010, at 2:11 PM, RickG wrote: http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222700747 -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
{provider} ---[ static 0.0.0.0/0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ]--- {riverstone ASBR}
---[10.0.4.1 OSPF Backbone 10.0.4.2]--- {mikrotik} --- x.x.x.x/24 public
addresses
I can attach those public addresses directly to the riverstone and they work
fine. However if I attach them to the mikrotik they get advertised over OSPF
and have local connectivity, but they stop at the border router on a
traceroute. However, if you ping a device using one of those addresses from an
external network, you get a response. So I'm missing something to make the
route bi-directional, if that's the right term.
This is what I have in the Riverstone:
325 : ip add route default gateway provider gateway IP
362 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto static to-proto ospf network
default
363 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto direct to-proto ospf network all
365 : ospf create area backbone
367 : ospf add interface WISP-201 to-area backbone
368 : ospf start
-Paul
On Feb 10, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Bret Clark wrote:
Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
I'm having a heck of a time setting up OSPF for my network. We've been
running a switched network with a Riverstone router on the border, but we've
long outgrown that configuration. I have a Mikrotik RB1000U in the rack
running v4.5 that we're going to use for our expansion and convert existing
subscribers over to. If I can get the dang thing to work anyway.
So, here's what I got:
The Riverstone is still on the border, and will be until I can talk the
higher-ups into replacing it. It still works and has plenty of capacity for
us still, it's just that Riverstone Networks went under some time ago and
there is no support for these things anymore. Anyway, it's here, and it has
the default route to our provider. I have a new range of public IPs, and I
need to have those public IPs accessible from the Mikrotik[s].
Having a hard time following exactly what you are doing...can you
attached a network drawing with the routes? We use Riverstones and
Mikrotiks in our backbone with no problems at all and I have quite a bit
of familiarity with Riverstone networks (I once worked for them :).
Bret
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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
There are a number of blackhole routes and ACL lines for unallocated IPs,
that's why it's so long. Probably overkill.
I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with some of
these IPs.
[ad...@mikrotik] /routing ospf export
# feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5
# software id = -
#
/routing ospf instance
set default comment= disabled=no distribute-default=never in-filter=ospf-in
metric-bgp=20 \
metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto metric-rip=20
metric-static=20 \
name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no
redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \
redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no redistribute-static=no
router-id=10.0.4.3
/routing ospf area
set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment= disabled=no instance=default
name=backbone type=default
/routing ospf interface
add authentication=none authentication-key= authentication-key-id=1
comment= cost=10 \
dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0
interface=ether1-gateway \
network-type=broadcast passive=no priority=1 retransmit-interval=5s
transmit-delay=1s \
use-bfd=no
/routing ospf network
add area=backbone comment= disabled=no network=10.0.4.0/27
Here are the relevant routes:
RS-1# ip show routes
Destination Gateway Owner Netif
--- --- - -
default ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.25 StaticHREC-EIA
10.0.4.0/27 directly connected - WISP-201
YYY.YYY.YYY.0/2410.0.4.3 OSPF_ASE WISP-201
XXX.XXX.XXX.24/30directly connected - HREC-EIA
[ad...@mikrotik] ip route print
Flags: X - disabled, A - active, D - dynamic,
C - connect, S - static, r - rip, b - bgp, o - ospf, m - mme,
B - blackhole, U - unreachable, P - prohibit
# DST-ADDRESSPREF-SRCGATEWAYDISTANCE
0 ADo 0.0.0.0/0 -10.0.4.1 110
2 ADC 10.0.4.0/2710.0.4.3ether1-gateway 0
30 ADC yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24 zzz.zzz.zzz.1 ether2-local 0
44 ADo xxx.xxx.xxx.24/30 -10.0.4.1 110
-Paul
On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:40 PM, Bret Clark wrote:
Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
{provider} ---[ static 0.0.0.0/0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ]--- {riverstone ASBR}
---[10.0.4.1 OSPF Backbone 10.0.4.2]--- {mikrotik} --- x.x.x.x/24
public addresses
I can attach those public addresses directly to the riverstone and they work
fine. However if I attach them to the mikrotik they get advertised over OSPF
and have local connectivity, but they stop at the border router on a
traceroute. However, if you ping a device using one of those addresses from
an external network, you get a response. So I'm missing something to make
the route bi-directional, if that's the right term.
This is what I have in the Riverstone:
325 : ip add route default gateway provider gateway IP
362 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto static to-proto ospf network
default
363 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto direct to-proto ospf network
all
365 : ospf create area backbone
367 : ospf add interface WISP-201 to-area backbone
368 : ospf start
-Paul
On Feb 10, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Bret Clark wrote:
Hseems okay in the Riverstone, nothing blatant standing out.
You're not running NAT on the Mikrotik by any chance? What is the print
out from the Mikrotik when you run /routing ospf export?
Otherwise I would need to see what the route tables look like in the RS
and Mikrotik.
BTW...that must be one heck of a config on that RS if your OSPF config
doesn't start till line 365!
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Re: [WISPA] Utility Pole cell
We ourselves are a rural electric coop and put equipment on utility poles. Since we ARE the utility we can put some devices up in the power space (PUC still hassles us on inspections, even though it's legit), where you may need to maintain a certain clearance. Our fiber for example, is all-dielectric so we can run it above the neutral line, not in the communications space. So there may not be as much usable space on the poles as you're thinking. Our access points are on dedicated 65ft poles, but we do put subscriber units and aerial cat-5 on utility poles where needed. Our early work isn't the best looking, I don't think I have any pictures I'd really want to share. We use hoffman enclosures and in the early days the boxes we were using were simply too small. Ended up cramped and untidy inside. And most of our sites needed multiple small boxes on the pole which didn't end up being the most aesthetically pleasing. When we needed up upgrade to a much larger UPS at one of them, we set a large hoffman box on a stub pole just for the batteries (SUA750XL with multiple battery packs). The newer stuff uses a single hoffman box large enough to have a full size APC SUA750XL in the bottom, that way we can have decent runtime and a management card to monitor and powercycle the entire tower if we need to (no per-outlet control). Above that we have room for a switch or router, PoE, power supplies, etc. We run a 2 conduit up the pole for the cat-5. -Paul Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: I know this subject has been visited already recently. We are meeting with a local rural electric coop about using pole space to facilitate neighborhood wireless. They have some concerns about aesthetics and liability, does anyone already doing this have some pics they can share so that we can have something tangible to show them. We are thinking a small backhaul/omni for the cell setup. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet
What was the issue with the Trango? Our 5010s and Link-45s have been solid, with the exception of the latest set I put out. Bad seal or something, was cooking the ethernet connector. -Paul Jerry Richardson wrote: that's what I though thanks on my way. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet 3.5 is for legacy products 5.1 is the latest for N products On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: Thanks, It's not an M - Ubiquity's firware site makes 3.5 the highest available version. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet I've got it if you/anyone needs it. you=op Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet I've got BulletM's doing 30 mb over a 10 mile shot on 20mhz wide channel. Make sure you get the latest super secret firmware (5.1.1) though, to avoid the WDS/Arp issues. Regards Michael Baird Atlas link went down AGAIN! Probably my fault this time but have no spare. I have a pair of the Bullet that I could slap in there to get through the weekend. Think it will work out? The Trangos were passing ~25Mbps of traffic aggregate. [cid:image001.gif@01CAA63F.65692320] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
All our core switching is done with World Wide Packets gear (now Ciena). WWP/Ciena makes carrier grade equipment, but carries a price tag near Cisco. And also mostly geared towards fiber. The newest switches we got are the CN3940, 24-port 10/100/1000 that will take copper or SPF modules. Our lighter switching is done with ZyXel which I started using based on recommendations from the ISP-Wireless list. Substantial feature set at a low cost. -Paul On Jan 11, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
