Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

[Bret Clark]

I know with our older Tranzeo's it was a common problem, since we switch 
to MT, we haven't seen that problem, plus the features MT provides is 
light years beyond any Tranzeo.

Bret

On 08/31/2010 12:05 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
> I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not coming
> back online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is with
> AP's or backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will not
> come back after making a change.
>
> Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that problem, or MT?
>
> Mark
>
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I was referring to  What would make one think that two radios, with 
a 16dbi antennas would work well and stable on a 14 mile link using 
allowable power in 5.X ghz or even 2.4 ghz ?

Thanks.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 8/31/2010 1:43 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
> I know.
>
> I had trazeo FDD radios that other guys had prepared and 'tested.' Their
> testing was putting them back to back.  Like that, even with the wrong
> channel shields they connected.  I was already suspicious about them not
> working, so I put up the NS5's as a backup plan, put their power all the
> way down, and set channel width to 5Mhz.  When I got to the other side
> and I could not link with the FDD's, I logged in through someone else's
> connection to the Nano at the other side and changed both side's
> settings till they came up.  It was awesome to at least link, but it was
> not stable enough to keep them up.  I'd say the link was up about 90% of
> the time.
>
>
> This brings me to another question.  Do radios get damage by not having
> an antenna connected when powering up?  Say just to configure them.
>
>
>
> On 08/30/2010 10:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> Please do not take this as a personal jab...
>>
>> If one does not do their homework on link calculation , and size the
>> equipment properly... What makes one think that they should be
>> successful with the Link ?
>>
>> And on top of that what give one the right to 'Dismiss' the whole Mfg's
>> product line for such results...
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>>
>>
>> On 8/31/2010 12:17 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna.  It was not my plan to use
>>> them, but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the
>>> NS5.. I know don't even remember if they were M's or not.
>>>
>>> On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
>>>
 14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months.

 --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck //* wrote:


  From: Mark Dueck
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
  To: wireless@wispa.org
  Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM

  I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link
  with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were
  not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput.

  On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

>  Distance?
>
>
  - Jerry

  *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  
 
  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  
 ]
  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
  *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM
  *To:* WISPA General List
  *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

  I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.

  On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK">>>  
 >
  wrote:

  I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without
  a doubt it
  won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.

  Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that
  would require
  some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way
  will it do 100 m
  one way, if there's any backward traffic.

  What Proxim stuff?



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  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
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[WISPA] Mediacomm contact

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Does anyone have a good contact at Mediacomm they'd share with me?  Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

[Stuart Pierce]

How old are they and what models may answer be the answer to why the lock up 
when you change them. I've got one TR-5a that I know I should go to be able to 
power cycle it if I make a change, and it's a few years old.


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Date:  Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:05:15 -0600

>I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not coming
>back online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is with
>AP's or backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will not
>come back after making a change.
>
>Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that problem, or MT?
>
>Mark
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Steve Barnes]

I am going to chime in here and say Look at RADWIN 2000c series.  I have one 
pair pushing 80+ MB FDX over 20 mile link. 

They are more money than UBNT but allot less than Dragonwave and Moto.

http://www.radwin.com/Content.aspx?Page=radwin_2000_series

200 Mbps throughput (40 MHz Channel)
Native TDM (Up to 16 E1s/T1s) + Ethernet over the same link
Single radio supporting multiple bands (2.4 and 4.9 - 5.9 GHz)
Long range - up to 120 Km/75 miles
Adaptive asymmetric capacity - dynamic allocation of uplink & downlink traffic, 
enabling more capacity at longer ranges
Advanced MIMO, OFDM and Diversity technologies

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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Mike Hammett]

 I've personally seen someone doing about 98/20.

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On 8/30/2010 10:05 PM, RickG wrote:

UBNT is great for the price but a bit shy of 100Mbps:

Test Results
RX: 33.08 Mbps
TX: 33.77 Mbps
Total:  66.85 Mbps



On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
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Proxim, Ubiquiti M...

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On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDK mailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us>> wrote:
> Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what
would you
> use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full
duplex 100 M
> ethernet connection.
>
>
>
>
> ++
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> From: "Paolo Di Francesco" mailto:paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com>>
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would
burn
>> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
>> impedance is not the right one.
>>
>> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is
not the
>> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure
what
>> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>>
>> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration
in daily
>> installations?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
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>>
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(Palermo)
>> Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501
>> Fax: +39-091-6406200
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Mike Hammett]

 I'm doing about 25 miles and haven't had a chance to tune the far end 
antenna.  I'm passing several megs.  I have the modulation turned way 
down until I have a chance to stabilize the link.


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On 8/30/2010 11:02 PM, Mark Dueck wrote:
I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with 
these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not 
stable.  I was getting about 512k throughput.


On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:


Distance?

- Jerry

*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman

*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.

On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK" mailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us>> wrote:

I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a
doubt it
won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.

Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that
would require
some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will
it do 100 m
one way, if there's any backward traffic.

What Proxim stuff?



++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200 509-386-4589
+...

From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM

To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

> Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Chuck Hogg]

We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?

Regards,

Chuck



On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
> I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
> I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps
> So - just ask
> Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you
> would not believe.
>
> On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 1500+.
> Regards,
> Chuck
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Re: [WISPA] Mediacomm contact

[Mike Hammett]

  Christine Montalvo [cmonta...@mediacomcc.com]

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On 8/31/2010 6:34 AM, Mike wrote:
> Does anyone have a good contact at Mediacomm they'd share with me?  Thanks.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Mike Hammett]

  How much are you passing to them?

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On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
> from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>> I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
>> I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps
>> So - just ask
>> Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you
>> would not believe.
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 1500+.
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> _
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>>Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jeremy Parr]

On 30 August 2010 12:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

>  Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu.
>

So you are no longer going to be an Internet provider, and instead just be a
Hotmail and CNN.com provider?



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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Gino Villarini]

Trango or SAF licensed 11 Ghz

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:19 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would
you 
use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100
M 
ethernet connection.




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From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable

> Hi all
>
> I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn
> them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the
> impedance is not the right one.
>
> Indeed in the "normal use" with the antenna the impedance is not the
> same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what
> impedance the "RX" card would show to the "TX" card
>
> Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in
daily
> installations?
>
> Thank you
>
>
> -- 
>
>
> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>
> Teleinform s.r.l.
> Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo
> Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo)
> Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501
> Fax: +39-091-6406200
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Jeremy Parr]

On 31 August 2010 08:48, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Trango or SAF licensed 11 Ghz
>

Earl didn't get you? I figured you'd be swamped.



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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Robert West]

I have the EXACT same setup at 12 miles pushing a rock steady 52 at a -72
and 20mhz channel width.  Been up since January.  And it's not a perfect
link, skims the tops of trees all the way.

 

Bob-

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

 


14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months.

--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck  wrote:


From: Mark Dueck 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
To: wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM

I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with these
for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not stable.  I was
getting about 512k throughput.

On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 

Distance?

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 ]
On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

 

I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.

On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK" http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> >
wrote:

I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it
won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.

Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require
some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m
one way, if there's any backward traffic.

What Proxim stuff?



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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

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>
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Robert West]

I wouldn't use a Nano anything for a long link.  The gain is minimal for a
link like that anyhow.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Dueck
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:18 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

 

Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna.  It was not my plan to use them,
but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the NS5..  I know
don't even remember if they were M's or not.

On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: 


14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months.

--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck   
wrote:


From: Mark Dueck   
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
To: wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM

I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with these
for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not stable.  I was
getting about 512k throughput.

On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 

Distance?

 

- Jerry 

  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 ]
On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

  

I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.

On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK" http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> >
wrote:

I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it
won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.

Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require
some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m
one way, if there's any backward traffic.

What Proxim stuff? 



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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

> Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
>
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Robert West]

Depends on the equipment but the rule of thumb I always was told was to
power it up only long enough to disable the radio unless you are using
loads.  If you don't load the radio and run it long enough, it will indeed
be damaged.  I have various examples of that laying around from where uf/l
connectors had popped off the MT cards.  Yeah, they still work but only for
close in use now!



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Dueck
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:44 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

I know. 

I had trazeo FDD radios that other guys had prepared and 'tested.' Their
testing was putting them back to back.  Like that, even with the wrong
channel shields they connected.  I was already suspicious about them not
working, so I put up the NS5's as a backup plan, put their power all the
way down, and set channel width to 5Mhz.  When I got to the other side
and I could not link with the FDD's, I logged in through someone else's
connection to the Nano at the other side and changed both side's
settings till they came up.  It was awesome to at least link, but it was
not stable enough to keep them up.  I'd say the link was up about 90% of
the time.


This brings me to another question.  Do radios get damage by not having
an antenna connected when powering up?  Say just to configure them.



On 08/30/2010 10:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> Please do not take this as a personal jab...
>
> If one does not do their homework on link calculation , and size the 
> equipment properly... What makes one think that they should be 
> successful with the Link ?
>
> And on top of that what give one the right to 'Dismiss' the whole Mfg's 
> product line for such results...
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
>
> On 8/31/2010 12:17 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
>   
>> Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna.  It was not my plan to use
>> them, but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the
>> NS5.. I know don't even remember if they were M's or not.
>>
>> On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
>> 
>>> 14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months.
>>>
>>> --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck //* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Mark Dueck 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
>>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>>> Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM
>>>
>>> I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link
>>> with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were
>>> not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput.
>>>
>>> On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>>   
 Distance?

 
>>> - Jerry
>>>
>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>

>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>
]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
>>>
>>> I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK" >>
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without
>>> a doubt it
>>> won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.
>>>
>>> Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that
>>> would require
>>> some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way
>>> will it do 100 m
>>> one way, if there's any backward traffic.
>>>
>>> What Proxim stuff?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++
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>>> From: "Josh Luthman" >>
>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM
>>>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>
>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
>>> > Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
>>> >
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>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Robert West]

Lack of experience.  We've all been there.  Big learning curve, I've had
those moments in the beginning.  That's when if something worked, it was
MAGIC!  :)

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

I was referring to  What would make one think that two radios, with 
a 16dbi antennas would work well and stable on a 14 mile link using 
allowable power in 5.X ghz or even 2.4 ghz ?

Thanks.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 8/31/2010 1:43 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
> I know.
>
> I had trazeo FDD radios that other guys had prepared and 'tested.' Their
> testing was putting them back to back.  Like that, even with the wrong
> channel shields they connected.  I was already suspicious about them not
> working, so I put up the NS5's as a backup plan, put their power all the
> way down, and set channel width to 5Mhz.  When I got to the other side
> and I could not link with the FDD's, I logged in through someone else's
> connection to the Nano at the other side and changed both side's
> settings till they came up.  It was awesome to at least link, but it was
> not stable enough to keep them up.  I'd say the link was up about 90% of
> the time.
>
>
> This brings me to another question.  Do radios get damage by not having
> an antenna connected when powering up?  Say just to configure them.
>
>
>
> On 08/30/2010 10:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> Please do not take this as a personal jab...
>>
>> If one does not do their homework on link calculation , and size the
>> equipment properly... What makes one think that they should be
>> successful with the Link ?
>>
>> And on top of that what give one the right to 'Dismiss' the whole Mfg's
>> product line for such results...
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>>
>>
>> On 8/31/2010 12:17 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna.  It was not my plan to use
>>> them, but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the
>>> NS5.. I know don't even remember if they were M's or not.
>>>
>>> On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
>>>
 14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months.

 --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck //* wrote:


  From: Mark Dueck
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
  To: wireless@wispa.org
  Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM

  I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link
  with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were
  not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput.

  On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

>  Distance?
>
>
  - Jerry

  *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org


  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org

]
  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
  *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM
  *To:* WISPA General List
  *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

  I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.

  On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK">>>
>
  wrote:

  I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without
  a doubt it
  won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.

  Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that
  would require
  some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way
  will it do 100 m
  one way, if there's any backward traffic.

  What Proxim stuff?



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>
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM

  To: "WISPA General List">>>
>
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25
miles.
  >  Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
  >
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

[Phil Curnutt]

I have found that happening most often on radio's that are daisy chained,
especially older ones.  Luckily as most of our radio's are on the roof's of
members there is someone there to power cycle them, or a call to some one on
the other side of it to power cycle it through the on site power
controller.  It also depends on how much traffic is going through them.

Phil

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Stuart Pierce  wrote:

> How old are they and what models may answer be the answer to why the lock
> up when you change them. I've got one TR-5a that I know I should go to be
> able to power cycle it if I make a change, and it's a few years old.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Mark Dueck 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:05:15 -0600
>
> >I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not coming
> >back online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is with
> >AP's or backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will not
> >come back after making a change.
> >
> >Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that problem, or
> MT?
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Chuck Hogg]

I really don't know...we haven't tracked it.

Regards,

Chuck


On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

>  How much are you passing to them?
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> > We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
> > from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley
>  wrote:
> >> I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
> >> I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps
> >> So - just ask
> >> Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you
> >> would not believe.
> >>
> >> On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> >>
> >> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have
> 1500+.
> >> Regards,
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>
> _
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

[Mark Dueck]

That confirms my feeling.  I've noticed that there was a much higher
chance it would crash if there was a lot of traffic.  Some of these
radios are fairly new and not daisy chained.  I'll work towards
replacing all critical backhaul links to UBNT or MT.

On 08/31/2010 06:51 AM, Phil Curnutt wrote:
I have found that happening most often on radio's that are
daisy chained, especially older ones.  Luckily as most of our radio's
are on the roof's of members there is someone there to power cycle
them, or a call to some one on the other side of it to power cycle it
through the on site power controller.  It also depends on how much
traffic is going through them.
  
Phil
  
  On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Stuart
Pierce 
wrote:
  How
old are they and what models may answer be the answer to why the lock
up when you change them. I've got one TR-5a that I know I should go to
be able to power cycle it if I make a change, and it's a few years old.


-- Original Message --
From: Mark Dueck 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:05:15 -0600

>I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not
coming
>back online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is
with
>AP's or backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will not
>come back after making a change.
>
>Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that
problem, or MT?
>
>Mark
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Fred Goldstein]

At 8/31/2010 09:00 AM, Robert West wrote:
>Depends on the equipment but the rule of thumb I always was told was to
>power it up only long enough to disable the radio unless you are using
>loads.  If you don't load the radio and run it long enough, it will indeed
>be damaged.  I have various examples of that laying around from where uf/l
>connectors had popped off the MT cards.  Yeah, they still work but only for
>close in use now!

Stupid question, but is anyone selling little dummy loads (only needs 
1 watt max, after all) built into the various types of antenna 
connector that these radios use?  I suppose you could just take a 1W 
carbon resistor and solder up your own, though it would leak a bit.

(I remember the original Cantenna.  This wasn't a Pringles can.  It 
was a dummy load, made by Heathkit, consisting of a gallon or so 
metal can filled with oil that cooled some big resistors.  An SO-239 
was on top and it could absorb a kilowatt for a brief test, or a 
smaller load for a longer time.  I did watch somebody smoke one with 
a serious 2-meter grounded-plate amplifier.  Those 8877 tubes were 
great.  It was a very generous kilowatt amp.)

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[WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due Sept. 1st

[Rick Harnish]

This is the final reminder that FCC Form 477 is due tomorrow.  All broadband
service providers, (telecommunications, cable, and broadband over power line
providers) must report broadband services by census tract, type of
technology, and upload and download speeds on the FCC's Form 477.  The Form
477 is due twice a year - in March and September. 

 

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[WISPA] Fw: From Homeland Security morning report

[Blake Bowers]

> August 27, WINK 9 Fort Meyers - (Florida) 2 charged with stealing copper 
> wire from Collier County tower. Information sharing between law 
> enforcement agencies and detective work in Collier County, Florida, helped 
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Blake Covarrubias]

Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an 
average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 75mbps 
required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program.

--
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On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

> I really don't know...we haven't tracked it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett  
> wrote:
>  How much are you passing to them?
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> > We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
> > from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
> >> I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
> >> I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps
> >> So - just ask
> >> Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you
> >> would not believe.
> >>
> >> On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> >>
> >> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 1500+.
> >> Regards,
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >> _
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Nick Olsen]

Emailed them this morning, I figure we will get a similar response.

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From: "Blake Covarrubias" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:57 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling 
an average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 
75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program.

--
Blake Covarrubias

On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

> I really don't know...we haven't tracked it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett  
wrote:
>  How much are you passing to them?
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> > We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
> > from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley  
wrote:
> >> I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
> >> I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 
50mbps
> >> So - just ask
> >> Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like 
you
> >> would not believe.
> >>
> >> On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> >>
> >> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 
1500+.
> >> Regards,
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >> 

_
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[MDK]

But that's close in.   Throughput falls drastically as the distance goes up.   
Even when the radio rates stay up, throughput falls.   I have an 11 mile p2p 
link in production now.   


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From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:15 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.


I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.


  On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK"  wrote:

  I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it
  won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.

  Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require
  some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m
  one way, if there's any backward traffic.

  What Proxim stuff?



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  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.


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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Faisal Imtiaz]

On 8/31/2010 11:44 AM, MDK wrote:
> Even when the radio rates stay up, throughput falls.


Haven't seen that. There are some issues as such due to alignment, 
firmware and Ack settings... that affect all links, medium range & long 
range.

To get to higher end of the throughput / over the air rate, you will 
need to use 40meg channel / have a nice clean connection in the -60's...

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Mike Hammett]

  Is this just to have their servers on your network or to BGP peer with 
them?

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 8/31/2010 9:56 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
> Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an 
> average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 
> 75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program.
>
> --
> Blake Covarrubias
>
> On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
>> I really don't know...we haven't tracked it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett  
>> wrote:
>>   How much are you passing to them?
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>> We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
>>> from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley   wrote:
 I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
 I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps
 So - just ask
 Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you
 would not believe.

 On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 1500+.
 Regards,
 Chuck

 _
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 Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
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[WISPA] I-80 Dark fiber

[Mike Hammett]

  Some of you already know about this, but I would like to pipe up again 
about a buy in opportunity on some new dark fiber construction from 
Chicago to New York.  Too much for any one WISP, but maybe those of you 
along the I-80 corridor (it's actually on train track right of way) 
would be interested in teaming together on this effort.

I have no financial interest in this, nor do I have experience with 
these operators.  I'm just trying to get my fellow WISPs up to the next 
level.


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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] FCC Form 477 Due Sept. 1st

[Josh Luthman]

If anyone using Powercode has yet to do this or is working on this
today let me know.  I have some instructions that will save you some
time.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
> This is the final reminder that FCC Form 477 is due tomorrow.  All broadband
> service providers, (telecommunications, cable, and broadband over power line
> providers) must report broadband services by census tract, type of
> technology, and upload and download speeds on the FCC’s Form 477.  The Form
> 477 is due twice a year - in March and September.
>
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> It is a law that Broadband Providers need to abide by.  Providers that do
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> Broadband Stimulus Grants and other funded sources.
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

[Steve Barnes]

I have 400+ Tranzeo CPQ's out and never have an issue with them not rebooting 
after a change.  However I would never use a Tranzeo for an AP.  Mikrotik AP to 
Tranzeo = stability and control.  More info please: Models, Firmware, AP 
connecting to.

(did you know there is a Tranzeo list on the WISPA list serve?)

Steve Barnes
General Manager
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RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mark Dueck
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:05 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not coming back 
online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is with AP's or 
backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will not come back after 
making a change.

Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that problem, or MT?

Mark



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Re: [WISPA] I-80 Dark fiber

[Leon D. Zetekoff]

 On 8/31/2010 11:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

   Some of you already know about this, but I would like to pipe up again
about a buy in opportunity on some new dark fiber construction from
Chicago to New York.  Too much for any one WISP, but maybe those of you
along the I-80 corridor (it's actually on train track right of way)
would be interested in teaming together on this effort.

I have no financial interest in this, nor do I have experience with
these operators.  I'm just trying to get my fellow WISPs up to the next
level.
Met-Ed has dark fiber in its six or eight state territory from midwest 
to NYC and DC and through PA, Ohio. I beleive Directlink Technologies in 
Reading has the rights or bought them. You might want to check them out.


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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Blake Covarrubias]

To place their caching servers on our network.

http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html

--
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On Aug 31, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

>  Is this just to have their servers on your network or to BGP peer with 
> them?
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/31/2010 9:56 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
>> Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an 
>> average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 
>> 75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program.
>> 
>> --
>> Blake Covarrubias
>> 
>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>> 
>>> I really don't know...we haven't tracked it.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett  
>>> wrote:
>>>  How much are you passing to them?
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
 from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?
 
 Regards,
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley   wrote:
> I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
> I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps
> So - just ask
> Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you
> would not believe.
> 
> On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> 
> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 1500+.
> Regards,
> Chuck
> 
> _
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>Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] FCC Form 477 Due Sept. 1st **OFFLIST**

[Mark Nash - Lists]

We are using Powercode...

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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] FCC Form 477 Due Sept. 1st


If anyone using Powercode has yet to do this or is working on this
today let me know.  I have some instructions that will save you some
time.

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On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
> This is the final reminder that FCC Form 477 is due tomorrow. All 
> broadband
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> line
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> technology, and upload and download speeds on the FCC’s Form 477. The Form
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Re: [WISPA] RB1100

[Paul Gerstenberger]

I have the RB1000 and 1100s in production here as core routers (450G, 750G, 
493AH's as tower-site routers, OSPF back to the core RB1x00s). Transitioning 
all our customers to them (about half done). Been stable so far, aside from my 
configuration screw-ups. Our only x86 device is running our user manager so we 
could throw more CPU at it and keep it out of the routing path, had been 
running the UM on one of the RB1000s but it was taxing the CPU.

You could combine an RB1000 or other RB/x86 with a managed switch to pipe VLANs 
to more physical ports, we do that in some applications also.

-Paul

On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:

> On Aug 10, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> 
>> That looks to be the same exact thing as Dennis' Power Router 732.
> 
> It's also the exact same thing as Butch's MikroCore router.
> 
> http://store.wispgear.net/Complete-Systems-Mikrotik/c30_36/p218/MikroCore-7,-Dual-Core-2.2-GHz,-1Gig-RAM,-7X1Gig-Eth,2XUSB,LCD-D/product_info.html
> 
> It's just an industrial appliance. I sell the same hardware. The only real 
> difference is the support you receive from the reseller. Otherwise its the 
> same box sold at different prices.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP

[Paul Gerstenberger]

I second this. We had been using Belkin consumer UPS' because of their physical 
dimensions, but we've been changing them out for APC 750 and 1500s with SNMP 
where ever we reasonably can. Get ours new through Ingram Micro.

-Paul

On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Mark Nash wrote:

> I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this 
> card emails you if the UPS goes on battery.
> 
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> Subject: [WISPA] UPS with IP
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> I am looking for a 1500VA ups with IP control that wont kill me with the 
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Tom DeReggi]

Its also relevent to mention that there are multiple Akamai Server configs. 
A basic server config only stores some of the Internet content in its cache. 
Much larger cache servers are needed, for more effective caching.
What volume is needed to get equivlent cache performance as Comcast Verizon?

Also, hosting their servers is not necessarilyl free. For example, the most 
logicial place to put it might be at one's NOC. That NOC might reside at a 
Colo. At $50 per U of space, that is a residual cost that you will pay.
And how many Us are each of Akamai's 3 servers in the base configuration? 
Note with 100mb for $150/month in a colo, paying teh reoccuring rack fees 
would be more expensive than buying an extra 100mb of bandwidth, thus I'd 
argue even for the ISP there is a minimum usage capacity before it would be 
cost beneficial the the ISP as well, not just Akamai.

What some ISPs are doing is working in cooperation to put in a single Akamai 
server, and then havingthe partner ISPs peer with the ISP that homes the 
Akamai server, and use their aggregate bandwidth to qualify.

Where the caching is most beneficial would be caching data for server s 
located on the opposite coast. For example, bypassing 70ms latency required 
to get from East to West Coast.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's


>  Is this just to have their servers on your network or to BGP peer with
> them?
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 8/31/2010 9:56 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
>> Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling 
>> an average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement 
>> of 75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner 
>> program.
>>
>> --
>> Blake Covarrubias
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>>> I really don't know...we haven't tracked it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett 
>>> wrote:
>>>   How much are you passing to them?
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
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>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
 from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?

 Regards,

 Chuck



 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley 
 wrote:
> I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
> I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 
> 50mbps
> So - just ask
> Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like 
> you
> would not believe.
>
> On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 
> 1500+.
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Paul Gerstenberger]

Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering 
with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless 
network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate 
people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other 
customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use netfix 
with no problems.

We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting 
with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking 
forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...

-Paul

On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that 
> are abusing the service.
> 
> 
> If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what 
> that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're 
> delivering them. If you sell an "unlimited" service, them's the breaks. If 
> you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages 
> they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by 
> itself. :) 
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor]

WAIT...

Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???


On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger  wrote:
> Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering 
> with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless 
> network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate 
> people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other 
> customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use 
> netfix with no problems.
>
> We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting 
> with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking 
> forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...
>
> -Paul
>
> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that 
>> are abusing the service.
>>
>>
>> If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what 
>> that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're 
>> delivering them. If you sell an "unlimited" service, them's the breaks. If 
>> you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages 
>> they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by 
>> itself. :)
>>
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Josh Luthman]

>Is it even legal to block IP addresses???

I don't think there are any laws on it at this point.  It's like
ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept
policy for those that pay.

>If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???

Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries.

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On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
 wrote:
> WAIT...
>
> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger  wrote:
>> Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering 
>> with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless 
>> network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate 
>> people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other 
>> customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use 
>> netfix with no problems.
>>
>> We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting 
>> with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking 
>> forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>>> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that 
>>> are abusing the service.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what 
>>> that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're 
>>> delivering them. If you sell an "unlimited" service, them's the breaks. If 
>>> you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages 
>>> they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by 
>>> itself. :)
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mediacomm contact

[Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing]

Mike, also see:
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1SKPC_enUS342US342&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=site:twitter.com+mediacomm#num=100&hl=en&rlz=1C1SKPC_enUS342US342&q=site%3Atwitter.com++%22mediacomcc%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=728ef3750cf3a29c


On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>  Christine Montalvo [cmonta...@mediacomcc.com]
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
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>
>
> On 8/31/2010 6:34 AM, Mike wrote:
>> Does anyone have a good contact at Mediacomm they'd share with me?  Thanks.
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Mike Gilchrist
>> Disruptive Technologist
>> Advanced Wireless Express
>> P.O. Box 255
>> Toledo, IA   52342
>> 239.770.6203
>> m...@aweiowa.com
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[David E. Smith]

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:51, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor <
evdo.hs...@gmail.com> wrote:

> WAIT...
>
> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>

Your network, your rules. Legally, you can probably block whatever you want.
Doing so without informing your users (customers, for ISPs) is ethically
very iffy, but legally it's probably just fine. (Not a lawyer, et cetera)

It's probably a very bad idea, but that's another discussion. :)

David Smith
MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] Mediacomm contact

[Josh Luthman]

I can see it now...

@mediacomm hey i wuld liek 2do biz w u n im lookn for a good contct

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On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing
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> Mike, also see:
> http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1SKPC_enUS342US342&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=site:twitter.com+mediacomm#num=100&hl=en&rlz=1C1SKPC_enUS342US342&q=site%3Atwitter.com++%22mediacomcc%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=728ef3750cf3a29c
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Mike Hammett  
> wrote:
>>  Christine Montalvo [cmonta...@mediacomcc.com]
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/31/2010 6:34 AM, Mike wrote:
>>> Does anyone have a good contact at Mediacomm they'd share with me?  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Friendly Regards,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Mike Gilchrist
>>> Disruptive Technologist
>>> Advanced Wireless Express
>>> P.O. Box 255
>>> Toledo, IA   52342
>>> 239.770.6203
>>> m...@aweiowa.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Fred Goldstein]

At 8/31/2010 01:51 PM, Robert Kim wrote:
>WAIT...
>
>Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???

Thankfully, there is no "net neutrality" rule preventing this.

ISPs always block IP addresses.  Spammers' address blocks, and ISPs 
who tolerate spammers, and ISPs who tolerate ISPs who tolerate 
spammers, are routinely blocked.  As others might be.  Shoot first, 
ask questions later -- this is the Mutually Assured Destruction rule 
that keeps the Internet from collapsing.  And which the neuts have no 
klew about.

This is one reason why ISPs are not common carriers.  Providing 
"information service" (legal term in the US) means that you are not 
carrying stuff blindly, though you don't have full editorial control.

So yes, a web-browsing and email only service is perfectly 
legal.  Verizon Wireless sells just such a plan, in fact; it's 
basically mandatory with Blackberries.  "Full" (but not quite 
neutral) Internet access, as used with Droids, costs more.


>On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger  wrote:
> > Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are 
> interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream 
> bandwidth, but the wireless network (in places). We need to use 
> Trango 900s in places, hard to educate people that their using 
> netflix ruins the internet for X number of other customers on that 
> AP... when many other customers on the network can use netfix with no 
> problems.
> >
> > We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased 
> accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce 
> soon. I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...
> >
> > -Paul
> >
> > On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> >> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the 
> customers that are abusing the service.
> >>
> >>
> >> If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to 
> clarify what that means - the customer pays for bits to be 
> delivered, and you're delivering them. If you sell an "unlimited" 
> service, them's the breaks. If you bill by usage, just send them 
> their next bill showing all the overages they incurred, and that 
> probably will be an effective deterrent all by itself. :)
> >>
> >> David Smith
> >> MVN.net
> >>

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Re: [WISPA] Mediacomm contact

[Mike Hammett]

  It worked for me with DirecTV.  :-p

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 8/31/2010 1:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> I can see it now...
>
> @mediacomm hey i wuld liek 2do biz w u n im lookn for a good contct
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing
>   wrote:
>> Mike, also see:
>> http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1SKPC_enUS342US342&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=site:twitter.com+mediacomm#num=100&hl=en&rlz=1C1SKPC_enUS342US342&q=site%3Atwitter.com++%22mediacomcc%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=728ef3750cf3a29c
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Mike Hammett  
>> wrote:
>>>   Christine Montalvo [cmonta...@mediacomcc.com]
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/31/2010 6:34 AM, Mike wrote:
 Does anyone have a good contact at Mediacomm they'd share with me?  Thanks.

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike

 Mike Gilchrist
 Disruptive Technologist
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>> San Diego, CA 92007
>> 310 598 1606
>>
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Emailed 2 of the customers that were doing this. The one called back real
nice and apologized. Said their kid was letting the Netflix on the Nintendo
WII run while they were outside riding their bike! They said they will stop
it. 2nd customer never got back with me, their service has now been rate
limited to 256k. I anticipate a phone call shortly.

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

  _  

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Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:46 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

 

On 30 August 2010 12:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.


So you are no longer going to be an Internet provider, and instead just be a
Hotmail and CNN.com provider? 




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[WISPA] Classified Ads

[Rick Harnish]

We are finally starting to get some traction on the Classified Ads Page
 .  There are three postings in the last
24 hours.  There is no cost to post on this page, image size must be below
150K.

 

Thanks,

 

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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Marco Coelho]

Many radios can be damaged by transmitting with no load.  You have to
look up each one.  It's always safer to have either a dummy load or
antenna connected.


mc


On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Mark Dueck  wrote:
> I know.
>
> I had trazeo FDD radios that other guys had prepared and 'tested.' Their
> testing was putting them back to back.  Like that, even with the wrong
> channel shields they connected.  I was already suspicious about them not
> working, so I put up the NS5's as a backup plan, put their power all the
> way down, and set channel width to 5Mhz.  When I got to the other side
> and I could not link with the FDD's, I logged in through someone else's
> connection to the Nano at the other side and changed both side's
> settings till they came up.  It was awesome to at least link, but it was
> not stable enough to keep them up.  I'd say the link was up about 90% of
> the time.
>
>
> This brings me to another question.  Do radios get damage by not having
> an antenna connected when powering up?  Say just to configure them.
>
>
>
> On 08/30/2010 10:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> Please do not take this as a personal jab...
>>
>> If one does not do their homework on link calculation , and size the
>> equipment properly... What makes one think that they should be
>> successful with the Link ?
>>
>> And on top of that what give one the right to 'Dismiss' the whole Mfg's
>> product line for such results...
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>
>>
>> On 8/31/2010 12:17 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna.  It was not my plan to use
>>> them, but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the
>>> NS5.. I know don't even remember if they were M's or not.
>>>
>>> On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
>>>
 14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months.

 --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck //* wrote:


     From: Mark Dueck 
     Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
     To: wireless@wispa.org
     Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM

     I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link
     with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were
     not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput.

     On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

>     Distance?
>
>
     - Jerry

     *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
     
 
     [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
     
 ]
     *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
     *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM
     *To:* WISPA General List
     *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

     I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.

         On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK" >>>         
 >
         wrote:

         I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without
         a doubt it
         won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.

         Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that
         would require
         some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way
         will it do 100 m
         one way, if there's any backward traffic.

         What Proxim stuff?



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 >
         Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM

         To: "WISPA General List" >>>         >
         Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
         > Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
         >
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Paul Gerstenberger]

When I googled the issue some months back, I saw a post about blocking the IP 
for the netflix DRM server. That would resolve most the issues by preventing 
the DRM authentication, and as a result, the movie from streaming. But I 
couldn't get it didn't work reliably. Maybe time to revisit that approach.

I don't want to block the netflix website of course, I just want people to get 
their movies via DVD the way they used to! And I only really want to block 
streaming on the segments of the network that simply can't support it.

-Paul

On Aug 31, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

> Emailed 2 of the customers that were doing this. The one called back real 
> nice and apologized. Said their kid was letting the Netflix on the Nintendo 
> WII run while they were outside riding their bike! They said they will stop 
> it. 2nd customer never got back with me, their service has now been rate 
> limited to 256k. I anticipate a phone call shortly.
>  
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
>  
>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:46 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>  
> On 30 August 2010 12:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu.
> 
> So you are no longer going to be an Internet provider, and instead just be a 
> Hotmail and CNN.com provider?
> 
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Tom DeReggi]

OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting.

Redirect "hulu.com" to  "allowvideo.com" for $9.95 Shopping Cart item.

Alacart content?

Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle 
Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for 
downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet 
Providers.

As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item for 
EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example

Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart.
1. Enable Hulu $9.95
2. Enable NetFlix $9.95
3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95
4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95  (Note... would redirect to third party ISP 
partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached 
data :-)
5. Enable MYISP TV  (Note: charge for access to your own Video services that 
you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this site, 
and so non-discriminary)

Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider 
sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content is 
not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required 
directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees, 
terms and conditions..

So.
Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95 
more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider charge 
my subs the same?

The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some to 
buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell 
the content.

The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are 
allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge 
more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us 
honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing 
to pay for content.

 If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a 
revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-)


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's


>Is it even legal to block IP addresses???

I don't think there are any laws on it at this point.  It's like
ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept
policy for those that pay.

>If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???

Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
 wrote:
> WAIT...
>
> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger  
> wrote:
>> Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are 
>> interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, 
>> but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in 
>> places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the 
>> internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other 
>> customers on the network can use netfix with no problems.
>>
>> We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased 
>> accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. 
>> I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser  
>>> wrote:
>>> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers 
>>> that are abusing the service.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify 
>>> what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're 
>>> delivering them. If you sell an "unlimited" service, them's the breaks. 
>>> If you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the 
>>> overages they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent 
>>> all by itself. :)
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jeromie Reeves]

Why not bandwidth shape them down to something reasonable? I find
1.1~1.2mbit for netflix and it looks fine. they will each 5mbit if you
let it. This keeps things pretty manageable here.b

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tom DeReggi  wrote:
> OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting.
>
> Redirect "hulu.com" to  "allowvideo.com" for $9.95 Shopping Cart item.
>
> Alacart content?
>
> Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle
> Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for
> downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet
> Providers.
>
> As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item for
> EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example
>
> Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart.
> 1. Enable Hulu $9.95
> 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95
> 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95
> 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95  (Note... would redirect to third party ISP
> partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached
> data :-)
> 5. Enable MYISP TV  (Note: charge for access to your own Video services that
> you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this site,
> and so non-discriminary)
>
> Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider
> sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content is
> not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required
> directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees,
> terms and conditions..
>
> So.
> Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95
> more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider charge
> my subs the same?
>
> The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some to
> buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell
> the content.
>
> The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are
> allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge
> more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us
> honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing
> to pay for content.
>
>  If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a
> revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-)
>
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>
>
>>Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>
> I don't think there are any laws on it at this point.  It's like
> ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept
> policy for those that pay.
>
>>If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>
> Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
>  wrote:
>> WAIT...
>>
>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger 
>> wrote:
>>> Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are
>>> interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth,
>>> but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in
>>> places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the
>>> internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other
>>> customers on the network can use netfix with no problems.
>>>
>>> We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased
>>> accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon.
>>> I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...
>>>
>>> -Paul
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
>>>


 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:
 Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers
 that are abusing the service.


 If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify
 what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're
 delivering them. If you sell an "unlimited" service, them's the breaks.
 If you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the
 overages they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent
 all by itself. :)

 David Smith
 MVN.net



 
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Re: [WISPA] Classified Ads

[Rick Harnish]

I need some page layout help on the classified section.  Anyone good with
WordPress and PHP give me a shout.  I want the ads to show at the top of the
page instead of the bottom and thus far, the forum has been little help to
me.

 

Thanks,

Rick

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:45 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Classified Ads

 

We are finally starting to get some traction on the Classified Ads Page
 .  There are three postings in the last
24 hours.  There is no cost to post on this page, image size must be below
150K.

 

Thanks,

 

Rick Harnish

Executive Director

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

  If you are using Tranzeo TR5a, 49a or AP6000 series radios running in 
PtP mode on an all bridged network, they will lock up.   Newer firmware 
helps, but does not completely resolve this problem.   I ran in to this 
very problem recently while troubleshooting a client's network.

It may not be the perfect solution, but one thing you could do that is 
quick an simple is install some of the Digital Loggers auto-ping/reboot 
devices at any site where you have a Tranzeo backhaul.   Turn on the 
autoping to test for the opposite side of the link and you won't have to 
make any more drives.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 8/31/2010 9:50 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> I have 400+ Tranzeo CPQ's out and never have an issue with them not rebooting 
> after a change.  However I would never use a Tranzeo for an AP.  Mikrotik AP 
> to Tranzeo = stability and control.  More info please: Models, Firmware, AP 
> connecting to.
>
> (did you know there is a Tranzeo list on the WISPA list serve?)
>
> Steve Barnes
> General Manager
> PCS-WIN
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mark Dueck
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:05 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups
>
> I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not coming back 
> online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is with AP's or 
> backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will not come back after 
> making a change.
>
> Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that problem, or MT?
>
> Mark
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[MDK]

As the distances go up, the longer it takes for the packet to be transmitted 
from one point to another, and the round trip time grows, which reduces the 
throughput.

My experience is, that it would be all but impossible to do two parallel 
links in 5 ghz with UBNT stuff, as the antennas are not sufficiently 
isolated from each other, and despite being on channels that don't overlap, 
they still seem to have issues from strong nearby signals.And that would 
be even more true, using 40 mhz channels, as the spectrum it's "listening" 
to is so much wider.


Perhaps my early hardware hasn't the selectivity of later, but I haven't 
heard there's significant differences.

It was really my first thought, but so far I don't see it as viable unless 
somehow I can physically isolate the two links so they don't hear the closer 
transmitter.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

>
> On 8/31/2010 11:44 AM, MDK wrote:
>> Even when the radio rates stay up, throughput falls.
>
>
> Haven't seen that. There are some issues as such due to alignment,
> firmware and Ack settings... that affect all links, medium range & long
> range.
>
> To get to higher end of the throughput / over the air rate, you will
> need to use 40meg channel / have a nice clean connection in the -60's...
>
> Faisal
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Bret Clark]

On 08/31/2010 06:02 PM, MDK wrote:
> As the distances go up, the longer it takes for the packet to be transmitted
> from one point to another, and the round trip time grows, which reduces the
> throughput.
>
That doesn't sound right to me...radio waves travel at the speed of 
light. There is some round trip time for internal electronics 
processing, but usually what happens is that on further links the 
radio's have to go to a more robust modulation scheme such as QPSK 
rather them QAM so you can't transmit as much info. Of course to 
compensate for that you can increase the frequency being used, higher 
power, etc.

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jerry Richardson]

Good idea.

All my models fail. I simply can't charge enough to justify it. The  
lack of spectrum is the limiter.

Jerry Richardson
Sent Mobile

On Aug 31, 2010, at 12:19 PM, "Tom DeReggi"  
 wrote:

> OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting.
>
> Redirect "hulu.com" to  "allowvideo.com" for $9.95 Shopping Cart  
> item.
>
> Alacart content?
>
> Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle
> Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup  
> links for
> downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big  
> Internet
> Providers.
>
> As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow  
> Item for
> EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example
>
> Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart.
> 1. Enable Hulu $9.95
> 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95
> 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95
> 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95  (Note... would redirect to third party ISP
> partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or  
> cached
> data :-)
> 5. Enable MYISP TV  (Note: charge for access to your own Video  
> services that
> you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from  
> this site,
> and so non-discriminary)
>
> Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video  
> provider
> sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and  
> content is
> not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required
> directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their  
> fees,
> terms and conditions..
>
> So.
> Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and  
> $9.95
> more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access  
> provider charge
> my subs the same?
>
> The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing  
> some to
> buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or  
> resell
> the content.
>
> The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we  
> are
> allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we  
> charge
> more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that  
> keeps us
> honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been  
> willing
> to pay for content.
>
> If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a
> revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-)
>
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>
>
>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>
> I don't think there are any laws on it at this point.  It's like
> ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept
> policy for those that pay.
>
>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>
> Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
>  wrote:
>> WAIT...
>>
>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger  
>> 
>> wrote:
>>> Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are
>>> interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream  
>>> bandwidth,
>>> but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in
>>> places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the
>>> internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many  
>>> other
>>> customers on the network can use netfix with no problems.
>>>
>>> We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased
>>> accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce  
>>> soon.
>>> I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...
>>>
>>> -Paul
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
>>>


 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:
 Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the cu 
 stomers
 that are abusing the service.


 If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to  
 clarify
 what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and  
 you're
 delivering them. If you sell an "unlimited" service, them's the  
 breaks.
 If you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all  
 the
 overages they incurred, and that probably will be an effective  
 deterrent
 all by itself. :)

 David Smith
 MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Greg Ihnen]

At near the speed of light is the distance of a 20~40 miles really a factor?

Greg
On Aug 31, 2010, at 5:32 PM, MDK wrote:

> As the distances go up, the longer it takes for the packet to be transmitted 
> from one point to another, and the round trip time grows, which reduces the 
> throughput.
> 
> My experience is, that it would be all but impossible to do two parallel 
> links in 5 ghz with UBNT stuff, as the antennas are not sufficiently 
> isolated from each other, and despite being on channels that don't overlap, 
> they still seem to have issues from strong nearby signals.And that would 
> be even more true, using 40 mhz channels, as the spectrum it's "listening" 
> to is so much wider.
> 
> 
> Perhaps my early hardware hasn't the selectivity of later, but I haven't 
> heard there's significant differences.
> 
> It was really my first thought, but so far I don't see it as viable unless 
> somehow I can physically isolate the two links so they don't hear the closer 
> transmitter.
> 
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
> 
> --
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
> 
>> 
>> On 8/31/2010 11:44 AM, MDK wrote:
>>> Even when the radio rates stay up, throughput falls.
>> 
>> 
>> Haven't seen that. There are some issues as such due to alignment,
>> firmware and Ack settings... that affect all links, medium range & long
>> range.
>> 
>> To get to higher end of the throughput / over the air rate, you will
>> need to use 40meg channel / have a nice clean connection in the -60's...
>> 
>> Faisal
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jeremie Chism]

Under 3mb causes alot of complaints due to repeated buffeting. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:

> Why not bandwidth shape them down to something reasonable? I find
> 1.1~1.2mbit for netflix and it looks fine. they will each 5mbit if you
> let it. This keeps things pretty manageable here.b
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tom DeReggi  
> wrote:
>> OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting.
>> 
>> Redirect "hulu.com" to  "allowvideo.com" for $9.95 Shopping Cart item.
>> 
>> Alacart content?
>> 
>> Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle
>> Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for
>> downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet
>> Providers.
>> 
>> As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item for
>> EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example
>> 
>> Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart.
>> 1. Enable Hulu $9.95
>> 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95
>> 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95
>> 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95  (Note... would redirect to third party ISP
>> partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached
>> data :-)
>> 5. Enable MYISP TV  (Note: charge for access to your own Video services that
>> you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this site,
>> and so non-discriminary)
>> 
>> Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider
>> sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content is
>> not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required
>> directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees,
>> terms and conditions..
>> 
>> So.
>> Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95
>> more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider charge
>> my subs the same?
>> 
>> The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some to
>> buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell
>> the content.
>> 
>> The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are
>> allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge
>> more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us
>> honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing
>> to pay for content.
>> 
>>  If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a
>> revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-)
>> 
>> 
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>> 
>> 
>>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>> 
>> I don't think there are any laws on it at this point.  It's like
>> ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept
>> policy for those that pay.
>> 
>>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>> 
>> Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
>>  wrote:
>>> WAIT...
>>> 
>>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger 
>>> wrote:
 Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are
 interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth,
 but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in
 places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the
 internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other
 customers on the network can use netfix with no problems.
 
 We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased
 accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon.
 I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...
 
 -Paul
 
 On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers
> that are abusing the service.
> 
> 
> If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify
> what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're
> delivering them. If you sell an "unlimited" service, them's the breaks.
> If you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the
> overages they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent
> all by itself. :)

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jason Bailey]

My customers that run 1Mb down use it and have no trouble?Excessive 
bursting,then throttling will cause rebuffering after initial burst i have 
found.

--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Jeremie Chism  wrote:


From: Jeremie Chism 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 7:09 PM


Under 3mb causes alot of complaints due to repeated buffeting. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:

> Why not bandwidth shape them down to something reasonable? I find
> 1.1~1.2mbit for netflix and it looks fine. they will each 5mbit if you
> let it. This keeps things pretty manageable here.b
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tom DeReggi  
> wrote:
>> OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting.
>> 
>> Redirect "hulu.com" to  "allowvideo.com" for $9.95 Shopping Cart item.
>> 
>> Alacart content?
>> 
>> Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle
>> Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for
>> downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet
>> Providers.
>> 
>> As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item for
>> EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example
>> 
>> Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart.
>> 1. Enable Hulu $9.95
>> 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95
>> 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95
>> 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95  (Note... would redirect to third party ISP
>> partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached
>> data :-)
>> 5. Enable MYISP TV  (Note: charge for access to your own Video services that
>> you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this site,
>> and so non-discriminary)
>> 
>> Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider
>> sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content is
>> not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required
>> directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees,
>> terms and conditions..
>> 
>> So.
>> Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95
>> more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider charge
>> my subs the same?
>> 
>> The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some to
>> buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell
>> the content.
>> 
>> The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are
>> allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge
>> more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us
>> honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing
>> to pay for content.
>> 
>>  If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a
>> revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-)
>> 
>> 
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>> 
>> 
>>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>> 
>> I don't think there are any laws on it at this point.  It's like
>> ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept
>> policy for those that pay.
>> 
>>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>> 
>> Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
>>  wrote:
>>> WAIT...
>>> 
>>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger 
>>> wrote:
 Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are
 interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth,
 but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in
 places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the
 internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other
 customers on the network can use netfix with no problems.
 
 We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased
 accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon.
 I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...
 
 -Paul
 
 On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers
> that are abusing the service.
> 
> 
> If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify
> what th

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I beg to differ with this logic, applying to UBNT only... While 
generically it is true about the separation... if your logic were true 
about in-sufficient isolation... then we would not be able to operate a 
full POP, where there are three Sector Panels and a 2ft Dish, all within 
the same 10-20ft of each other, all running Rocket M5's, all on 
different channels.

Regards


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 8/31/2010 6:02 PM, MDK wrote:
> My experience is, that it would be all but impossible to do two parallel
> links in 5 ghz with UBNT stuff, as the antennas are not sufficiently
> isolated from each other, and despite being on channels that don't overlap,
> they still seem to have issues from strong nearby signals.And that would
> be even more true, using 40 mhz channels, as the spectrum it's "listening"
> to is so much wider.



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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jeremie Chism]

I meant to say this comment referred to hulu not netflix

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:16 PM, Jason Bailey  wrote:

> My customers that run 1Mb down use it and have no trouble?Excessive 
> bursting,then throttling will cause rebuffering after initial burst i have 
> found.
> 
> --- On Tue, 8/31/10, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> 
> From: Jeremie Chism 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 7:09 PM
> 
> Under 3mb causes alot of complaints due to repeated buffeting. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 31, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
> 
> > Why not bandwidth shape them down to something reasonable? I find
> > 1.1~1.2mbit for netflix and it looks fine. they will each 5mbit if you
> > let it. This keeps things pretty manageable here.b
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tom DeReggi  
> > wrote:
> >> OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting.
> >> 
> >> Redirect "hulu.com" to  "allowvideo.com" for $9.95 Shopping Cart item.
> >> 
> >> Alacart content?
> >> 
> >> Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle
> >> Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for
> >> downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet
> >> Providers.
> >> 
> >> As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item 
> >> for
> >> EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example
> >> 
> >> Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart.
> >> 1. Enable Hulu $9.95
> >> 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95
> >> 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95
> >> 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95  (Note... would redirect to third party ISP
> >> partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached
> >> data :-)
> >> 5. Enable MYISP TV  (Note: charge for access to your own Video services 
> >> that
> >> you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this 
> >> site,
> >> and so non-discriminary)
> >> 
> >> Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider
> >> sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content 
> >> is
> >> not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required
> >> directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees,
> >> terms and conditions..
> >> 
> >> So.
> >> Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95
> >> more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider 
> >> charge
> >> my subs the same?
> >> 
> >> The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some 
> >> to
> >> buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell
> >> the content.
> >> 
> >> The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are
> >> allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge
> >> more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us
> >> honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing
> >> to pay for content.
> >> 
> >>  If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a
> >> revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-)
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Tom DeReggi
> >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >> 
> >> 
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
> >> 
> >> I don't think there are any laws on it at this point.  It's like
> >> ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept
> >> policy for those that pay.
> >> 
> >>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
> >> 
> >> Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries.
> >> 
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
> >>  wrote:
> >>> WAIT...
> >>> 
> >>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
> >>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger 
> >>> wrote:
>  Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are
>  interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth,
>  but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in
>  places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the
>  internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other
>  customers on the network can use netfix with no problems.
>  
>  We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased
>  accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon.
>  I'm not looking forward to those phone

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[j2840fl]

Agreed on hulu,its hungry!
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

[Patrick Leary]

Just as an FYI folks, 

After seeing this thread I sent it to the Tranzeo guys and they taking a
look at it. Please do, when you encounter issues such as these, report
them to your vendor (regardless of brand). Getting a record, finding
trends, etc. is the only way a vendor can uncover issues, then do root
cause analysis and create fixes as necessary. 

I appreciate the value of seeking out list advice, but please remember
to give your vendor a head's up too. Matt, et al, thanks for offering
your advice. I passed those along as well.

Cheers, 

Patrick

Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
(A Tranzeo Company)
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

  If you are using Tranzeo TR5a, 49a or AP6000 series radios running in 
PtP mode on an all bridged network, they will lock up.   Newer firmware 
helps, but does not completely resolve this problem.   I ran in to this 
very problem recently while troubleshooting a client's network.

It may not be the perfect solution, but one thing you could do that is
quick an simple is install some of the Digital Loggers auto-ping/reboot 
devices at any site where you have a Tranzeo backhaul.   Turn on the 
autoping to test for the opposite side of the link and you won't have to
make any more drives.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 8/31/2010 9:50 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> I have 400+ Tranzeo CPQ's out and never have an issue with them not
rebooting after a change.  However I would never use a Tranzeo for an
AP.  Mikrotik AP to Tranzeo = stability and control.  More info please:
Models, Firmware, AP connecting to.
>
> (did you know there is a Tranzeo list on the WISPA list serve?)
>
> Steve Barnes
> General Manager
> PCS-WIN
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Mark Dueck
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:05 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups
>
> I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not
coming back online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is
with AP's or backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will
not come back after making a change.
>
> Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that problem,
or MT?
>
> Mark
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

[Phil Curnutt]

Gee, who'd think to ask the manufacturer.

Phil

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:

> Just as an FYI folks,
>
> After seeing this thread I sent it to the Tranzeo guys and they taking a
> look at it. Please do, when you encounter issues such as these, report
> them to your vendor (regardless of brand). Getting a record, finding
> trends, etc. is the only way a vendor can uncover issues, then do root
> cause analysis and create fixes as necessary.
>
> I appreciate the value of seeking out list advice, but please remember
> to give your vendor a head's up too. Matt, et al, thanks for offering
> your advice. I passed those along as well.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Patrick
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> (A Tranzeo Company)
> 813.426.4230 mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:11 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups
>
>  If you are using Tranzeo TR5a, 49a or AP6000 series radios running in
> PtP mode on an all bridged network, they will lock up.   Newer firmware
> helps, but does not completely resolve this problem.   I ran in to this
> very problem recently while troubleshooting a client's network.
>
> It may not be the perfect solution, but one thing you could do that is
> quick an simple is install some of the Digital Loggers auto-ping/reboot
> devices at any site where you have a Tranzeo backhaul.   Turn on the
> autoping to test for the opposite side of the link and you won't have to
> make any more drives.
>
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
>
> On 8/31/2010 9:50 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> > I have 400+ Tranzeo CPQ's out and never have an issue with them not
> rebooting after a change.  However I would never use a Tranzeo for an
> AP.  Mikrotik AP to Tranzeo = stability and control.  More info please:
> Models, Firmware, AP connecting to.
> >
> > (did you know there is a Tranzeo list on the WISPA list serve?)
> >
> > Steve Barnes
> > General Manager
> > PCS-WIN
> > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On Behalf Of Mark Dueck
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:05 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups
> >
> > I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not
> coming back online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is
> with AP's or backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will
> not come back after making a change.
> >
> > Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that problem,
> or MT?
> >
> > Mark
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jeromie Reeves]

Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it
if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could
offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99
I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching
server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users
would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3
to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and
would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the
correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip)
and it would be a good triple.



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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Blair Davis]

Yes.  That is why we have ACK time settings in 802.11 radios.

Greg Ihnen wrote:

  At near the speed of light is the distance of a 20~40 miles really a factor?

Greg
On Aug 31, 2010, at 5:32 PM, MDK wrote:

  
  
As the distances go up, the longer it takes for the packet to be transmitted 
from one point to another, and the round trip time grows, which reduces the 
throughput.

My experience is, that it would be all but impossible to do two parallel 
links in 5 ghz with UBNT stuff, as the antennas are not sufficiently 
isolated from each other, and despite being on channels that don't overlap, 
they still seem to have issues from strong nearby signals.And that would 
be even more true, using 40 mhz channels, as the spectrum it's "listening" 
to is so much wider.


Perhaps my early hardware hasn't the selectivity of later, but I haven't 
heard there's significant differences.

It was really my first thought, but so far I don't see it as viable unless 
somehow I can physically isolate the two links so they don't hear the closer 
transmitter.

++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++

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From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.



  On 8/31/2010 11:44 AM, MDK wrote:
  
  
Even when the radio rates stay up, throughput falls.

  
  
Haven't seen that. There are some issues as such due to alignment,
firmware and Ack settings... that affect all links, medium range & long
range.

To get to higher end of the throughput / over the air rate, you will
need to use 40meg channel / have a nice clean connection in the -60's...

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

[Mark Dueck]

Thanks Patrick; I was thinking about doing that too.


On 08/31/2010 08:25 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> Just as an FYI folks, 
>
> After seeing this thread I sent it to the Tranzeo guys and they taking a
> look at it. Please do, when you encounter issues such as these, report
> them to your vendor (regardless of brand). Getting a record, finding
> trends, etc. is the only way a vendor can uncover issues, then do root
> cause analysis and create fixes as necessary. 
>
> I appreciate the value of seeking out list advice, but please remember
> to give your vendor a head's up too. Matt, et al, thanks for offering
> your advice. I passed those along as well.
>
> Cheers, 
>
> Patrick
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> (A Tranzeo Company)
> 813.426.4230 mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:11 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups
>
>   If you are using Tranzeo TR5a, 49a or AP6000 series radios running in 
> PtP mode on an all bridged network, they will lock up.   Newer firmware 
> helps, but does not completely resolve this problem.   I ran in to this 
> very problem recently while troubleshooting a client's network.
>
> It may not be the perfect solution, but one thing you could do that is
> quick an simple is install some of the Digital Loggers auto-ping/reboot 
> devices at any site where you have a Tranzeo backhaul.   Turn on the 
> autoping to test for the opposite side of the link and you won't have to
> make any more drives.
>
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
>
> On 8/31/2010 9:50 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>   
>> I have 400+ Tranzeo CPQ's out and never have an issue with them not
>> 
> rebooting after a change.  However I would never use a Tranzeo for an
> AP.  Mikrotik AP to Tranzeo = stability and control.  More info please:
> Models, Firmware, AP connecting to.
>   
>> (did you know there is a Tranzeo list on the WISPA list serve?)
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> General Manager
>> PCS-WIN
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> On Behalf Of Mark Dueck
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:05 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups
>>
>> I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not
>> 
> coming back online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is
> with AP's or backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will
> not come back after making a change.
>   
>> Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that problem,
>> 
> or MT?
>   
>> Mark
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Greg Ihnen]

Good point.

On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:58 PM, Blair Davis wrote:

> Yes.  That is why we have ACK time settings in 802.11 radios.
> 
> Greg Ihnen wrote:
>> 
>> At near the speed of light is the distance of a 20~40 miles really a factor?
>> 
>> Greg
>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 5:32 PM, MDK wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> As the distances go up, the longer it takes for the packet to be 
>>> transmitted 
>>> from one point to another, and the round trip time grows, which reduces the 
>>> throughput.
>>> 
>>> My experience is, that it would be all but impossible to do two parallel 
>>> links in 5 ghz with UBNT stuff, as the antennas are not sufficiently 
>>> isolated from each other, and despite being on channels that don't overlap, 
>>> they still seem to have issues from strong nearby signals.And that 
>>> would 
>>> be even more true, using 40 mhz channels, as the spectrum it's "listening" 
>>> to is so much wider.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Perhaps my early hardware hasn't the selectivity of later, but I haven't 
>>> heard there's significant differences.
>>> 
>>> It was really my first thought, but so far I don't see it as viable unless 
>>> somehow I can physically isolate the two links so they don't hear the 
>>> closer 
>>> transmitter.
>>> 
>>> ++
>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>>> ++
>>> 
>>> --
>>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 8/31/2010 11:44 AM, MDK wrote:
   
> Even when the radio rates stay up, throughput falls.
> 
 Haven't seen that. There are some issues as such due to alignment,
 firmware and Ack settings... that affect all links, medium range & long
 range.
 
 To get to higher end of the throughput / over the air rate, you will
 need to use 40meg channel / have a nice clean connection in the -60's...
 
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Nick Olsen]

Yeah, They got back to me today. Said over the last 30 days we have a 9Mb/s 
avg. And 75mb/s is required.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "Blake Covarrubias" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:57 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling 
an average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 
75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program.

--
Blake Covarrubias

On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

> I really don't know...we haven't tracked it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett  
wrote:
>  How much are you passing to them?
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> > We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
> > from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley  
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> >> I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
> >> I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 
50mbps
> >> So - just ask
> >> Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like 
you
> >> would not believe.
> >>
> >> On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> >>
> >> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 
1500+.
> >> Regards,
> >> Chuck
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> >> 

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

[Mark Dueck]

I have to agree that I've never seen this with the client radios.  All
my radios are up-to-date firmware.

Will look into the Tranzeo list for next time.

On 08/31/2010 09:50 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> I have 400+ Tranzeo CPQ's out and never have an issue with them not rebooting 
> after a change.  However I would never use a Tranzeo for an AP.  Mikrotik AP 
> to Tranzeo = stability and control.  More info please: Models, Firmware, AP 
> connecting to.
>
> (did you know there is a Tranzeo list on the WISPA list serve?)
>
> Steve Barnes
> General Manager
> PCS-WIN
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Mark Dueck
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:05 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups
>
> I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not coming back 
> online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is with AP's or 
> backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will not come back after 
> making a change.
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> Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that problem, or MT?
>
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Nick Olsen]

I think the big thing here is the way they do video. Hulu, has like 3 quality 
settings. And you set them. Atleast with the desktop app, The flash on the 
pages will try to autoselect. Netflix is much more in depth. It just picks what 
works, With the ability to go WAY down on bitrate. When I had a netflix 
account, It could pull as little as like 200-300 K and the video was about as 
good as what you got out of the first camera phones. But then I've seen it jump 
all the way up to like 8Mb/s to do "SD" quality. This was all on a PC, Which 
only does "SD" where the consoles and set top boxes will do HD. Don't want to 
even imagine what they can pull if its maxed out, And you have the capacity on 
hand. I'd guess something like 15-20Mb/s

Nick Olsen
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From: "Jeromie Reeves" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:29 PM
To: j284...@yahoo.com, "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it
if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could
offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99
I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching
server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users
would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3
to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and
would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the
correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip)
and it would be a good triple.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM,   wrote:
> Agreed on hulu,its hungry!
> Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jeromie Reeves]

Yup I bet it could. Ive seen 2 of them at the same time max out a 15mbit
pipe. That lasted about as long as it took to re-enable the bw queues.
Still a dozen or so and the eat the entire pipe and i knock em down a tad
more, but under 900kbit and it seams to choke up. After moving to Ubnt M
gear, my net feed is my bottleneck for sure these days. Looking at getting
fiber points out at the ends of the network but its not easy to get away
from that loop fee and that kills it for now.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:

> I think the big thing here is the way they do video. Hulu, has like 3
> quality settings. And you set them. Atleast with the desktop app, The flash
> on the pages will try to autoselect. Netflix is much more in depth. It just
> picks what works, With the ability to go WAY down on bitrate. When I had a
> netflix account, It could pull as little as like 200-300 K and the video was
> about as good as what you got out of the first camera phones. But then I've
> seen it jump all the way up to like 8Mb/s to do "SD" quality. This was all
> on a PC, Which only does "SD" where the consoles and set top boxes will do
> HD. Don't want to even imagine what they can pull if its maxed out, And you
> have the capacity on hand. I'd guess something like 15-20Mb/s
>
>
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
>
> --
> *From*: "Jeromie Reeves" 
> *Sent*: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:29 PM
> *To*: j284...@yahoo.com, "WISPA General List" 
>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>
>
> Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it
> if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could
> offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99
> I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching
> server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users
> would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3
> to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and
> would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the
> correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip)
> and it would be a good triple.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM,  wrote:
> > Agreed on hulu,its hungry!
> > Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Nick Olsen]

Yeah, Loop fee's are the killer. On-net bandwidth is cheap bandwidth. I've seen 
cogent come down to $3 per megabit.
And I've heard of Hurricane electric going as low as 75 cents per megabit. Just 
got to build out to them.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
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From: "Jeromie Reeves" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:51 PM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com, "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Yup I bet it could. Ive seen 2 of them at the same time max out a 15mbit pipe. 
That lasted about as long as it took to re-enable the bw queues.
Still a dozen or so and the eat the entire pipe and i knock em down a tad more, 
but under 900kbit and it seams to choke up. After moving to Ubnt M gear, my net 
feed is my bottleneck for sure these days. Looking at getting fiber points out 
at the ends of the network but its not easy to get away from that loop fee and 
that kills it for now.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Nick Olsen  wrote:

I think the big thing here is the way they do video. Hulu, has like 3 quality 
settings. And you set them. Atleast with the desktop app, The flash on the 
pages will try to autoselect. Netflix is much more in depth. It just picks what 
works, With the ability to go WAY down on bitrate. When I had a netflix 
account, It could pull as little as like 200-300 K and the video was about as 
good as what you got out of the first camera phones. But then I've seen it jump 
all the way up to like 8Mb/s to do "SD" quality. This was all on a PC, Which 
only does "SD" where the consoles and set top boxes will do HD. Don't want to 
even imagine what they can pull if its maxed out, And you have the capacity on 
hand. I'd guess something like 15-20Mb/s




Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "Jeromie Reeves" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:29 PM
To: j284...@yahoo.com, "WISPA General List" 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's


Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it
if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could
offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99
I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching
server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users
would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3
to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and
would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the
correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip)
and it would be a good triple.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM,   wrote:
> Agreed on hulu,its hungry!
> Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jeromie Reeves]

The prob;lem I ran into with building out to them is they want those loop
fees for  the fiber huts + a break in fee. I have someone who says
he can get me into a place with out much if any fee, at $20/mbit. We will
see.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:

> Yeah, Loop fee's are the killer. On-net bandwidth is cheap bandwidth. I've
> seen cogent come down to $3 per megabit.
> And I've heard of Hurricane electric going as low as 75 cents per megabit.
> Just got to build out to them.
>
>
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
>
> --
> *From*: "Jeromie Reeves" 
> *Sent*: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:51 PM
> *To*: n...@brevardwireless.com, "WISPA General List" 
>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>
>
> Yup I bet it could. Ive seen 2 of them at the same time max out a 15mbit
> pipe. That lasted about as long as it took to re-enable the bw queues.
> Still a dozen or so and the eat the entire pipe and i knock em down a tad
> more, but under 900kbit and it seams to choke up. After moving to Ubnt M
> gear, my net feed is my bottleneck for sure these days. Looking at getting
> fiber points out at the ends of the network but its not easy to get away
> from that loop fee and that kills it for now.
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
>
>> I think the big thing here is the way they do video. Hulu, has like 3
>> quality settings. And you set them. Atleast with the desktop app, The flash
>> on the pages will try to autoselect. Netflix is much more in depth. It just
>> picks what works, With the ability to go WAY down on bitrate. When I had a
>> netflix account, It could pull as little as like 200-300 K and the video was
>> about as good as what you got out of the first camera phones. But then I've
>> seen it jump all the way up to like 8Mb/s to do "SD" quality. This was all
>> on a PC, Which only does "SD" where the consoles and set top boxes will do
>> HD. Don't want to even imagine what they can pull if its maxed out, And you
>> have the capacity on hand. I'd guess something like 15-20Mb/s
>>
>>
>>  Nick Olsen
>> Network Operations
>> (321) 205-1100 x106
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>> *From*: "Jeromie Reeves" 
>> *Sent*: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:29 PM
>> *To*: j284...@yahoo.com, "WISPA General List" 
>>
>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>>
>>
>> Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it
>> if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could
>> offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99
>> I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching
>> server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users
>> would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3
>> to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and
>> would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the
>> correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip)
>> and it would be a good triple.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM,  wrote:
>> > Agreed on hulu,its hungry!
>> > Sent from my BlackBerry®
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Jeremie Chism 
>> > Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:30:22
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Robert West]

E P I C !



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Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

At 8/31/2010 09:00 AM, Robert West wrote:
>Depends on the equipment but the rule of thumb I always was told was to 
>power it up only long enough to disable the radio unless you are using 
>loads.  If you don't load the radio and run it long enough, it will 
>indeed be damaged.  I have various examples of that laying around from 
>where uf/l connectors had popped off the MT cards.  Yeah, they still 
>work but only for close in use now!

Stupid question, but is anyone selling little dummy loads (only needs
1 watt max, after all) built into the various types of antenna connector
that these radios use?  I suppose you could just take a 1W carbon resistor
and solder up your own, though it would leak a bit.

(I remember the original Cantenna.  This wasn't a Pringles can.  It was a
dummy load, made by Heathkit, consisting of a gallon or so metal can filled
with oil that cooled some big resistors.  An SO-239 was on top and it could
absorb a kilowatt for a brief test, or a smaller load for a longer time.  I
did watch somebody smoke one with a serious 2-meter grounded-plate
amplifier.  Those 8877 tubes were great.  It was a very generous kilowatt
amp.)

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Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP

[Robert West]

Sadly.  My last UPS I built was from parts pulled outta the
dumpster behind the local defunct Gold Star Chili Store.   Salvaged the EXIT
sign.  2 6v batteries and charging/switch board.

I live a strange life.

Bob-


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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:18 PM
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I second this. We had been using Belkin consumer UPS' because of their
physical dimensions, but we've been changing them out for APC 750 and 1500s
with SNMP where ever we reasonably can. Get ours new through Ingram Micro.

-Paul

On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Mark Nash wrote:

> I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card
AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery.
> 
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 1702 W. 2nd Ave
> Suite A
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> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
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> I am looking for a 1500VA ups with IP control that wont kill me with the
price.
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> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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[WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

[Scott Carullo]

Could a squid caching server accomplish the same sort of bandwidth savings, 
maybe more due to the fact it is caching ALL the content not just Akamai?  
I've never use used a web cahce always had the bandwidth and the problems 
were not worth it

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Re: [WISPA] RB1100

[Scott Carullo]

The 1100 will do ospf fine but load them up with bgp 2 or more times and 
they suffer.  We were going to use them and we changed plans to use a 
supermicro server with a 4 or 6 port NIC.  The 1100 seems to be a good 
tower choice because it has enough ports to handle a set of gear without 
additional equipment in most cased.  Add an 8 port managed switch along 
with it it can handle any configuration we have had.  And  from our 
experience there is no need to upgrade the memory unless you are doing 
something you shouldn't be doing any way.  We put two full feeds on one 
with stock ram it fit fine.

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I have the RB1000 and 1100s in production here as core routers (450G, 750G, 
493AH's as tower-site routers, OSPF back to the core RB1x00s). 
Transitioning all our customers to them (about half done). Been stable so 
far, aside from my configuration screw-ups. Our only x86 device is running 
our user manager so we could throw more CPU at it and keep it out of the 
routing path, had been running the UM on one of the RB1000s but it was 
taxing the CPU.

You could combine an RB1000 or other RB/x86 with a managed switch to pipe 
VLANs to more physical ports, we do that in some applications also.

-Paul

On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:

> On Aug 10, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> 
>> That looks to be the same exact thing as Dennis' Power Router 732.
> 
> It's also the exact same thing as Butch's MikroCore router.
> 
> 
http://store.wispgear.net/Complete-Systems-Mikrotik/c30_36/p218/MikroCore-7,
-Dual-Core-2.2-GHz,-1Gig-RAM,-7X1Gig-Eth,2XUSB,LCD-D/product_info.html
> 
> It's just an industrial appliance. I sell the same hardware. The only 
r