Re: [WSG] Design a DropDownList
This is much better than the other suckerfish. I find people get confused as well in ie when clicking on the top ite locks it down, and all other top links also stick down. What browsers does this not work in? thank you Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: Ruthie BenDor To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Design a DropDownList I've just implemented a dropdown menu of this sort, and ran into some IE6 and IE7 bugs using the sons of suckerfish approach. What worked for me was Sons of Ursidae method, http://css-class.com/articles/ursidae/ . One gotcha: Note that if the dropdown menu overlaps with a select element, in IE6 the select will bleed through the dropdown menu. My project was already using the jQuery library, so we used a plugin called jquery.bgiframe.js to insert an iframe 'shim', and then used conditional comments to serve this JavaScript only to IE6. I'm sure that this approach can be adapted to work without the library dependency. Cheers, Ruthie On Mar 3, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Haydyn phillips hay...@haydynphillips.com wrote: http://htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ Best Hayd Naim Latifi wrote: Hi Guys, Does anybody know any link how to design dropdownlist control in css including listItems as well.? Thanks! Naim ** Naim Latifi Student of Computer Science Linne University Idet 1:201 SE-35252 Vaxjo Sweden Email: naimlatif...@hotmail.com naim.lat...@gmail.com nlae...@student.vxu.se naimlat...@yahoo.com my.monster.com/naimlatifi http:// www.linkedin.com/pub/naim-latifi/14/68a/5b2 Phone: +46765662003 *** -- Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Background music on web pages
Smal player and an off button one can find immediately is a prerequisite :) Bruce - Original Message - From: Lesley Lutomski ubu...@webaflame.co.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:50 AM Subject: [WSG] Background music on web pages Hi all, I apologise if this is off-topic, but I'd really appreciate some advice. I have clients who insist they want background music on their Web site. I've tried to dissuade them, but without success. What is the most acceptable/least intrusive method of doing this? UK licensing requirements differ depending on whether the music is downloadable or not, so I need to sort out the method in order to advise them on the licences. I'm still hoping the complexities of the licensing system will succeed where I've failed and put them off the whole notion, but in case not, I'd be most grateful for some input here. Thank you. Lesley *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re WSG Digest
Acually, reading between the lines it looks like he really wants to stay... Bruce - Original Message - From: Tony McNulty To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Re WSG Digest Just for that I think we should keep him on! -- From: Brett Patterson Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:35:16 -0400 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Re WSG Digest Please remove this user from the group ASAP! -- Brett P. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Daniel Rowan danielpaulro...@googlemail.com wrote: Stop emailling me you fucktards i unsubscribed leave me alone! On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:40 PM, TapirDesigns desi...@tapirdesigns.co.uk wrote: I am currently away until 5th August but will get back to you as soon as possible on my return. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] add to favorites?
I have found using a service such as http://www.addthis.com/ which includes add to favorites/bookmark is fine. Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: Andrew Maben To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] add to favorites? I am not so arrogant as to even wish to speak for this list, but on my own account I'll say that this question is disingenuous. Obviously our work constantly involves balancing requirements. An important part of that balancing act is to provide the benefit of our expertise to stakeholders. And painful as it may be, part of that includes educating people who do not yet understand that this truly is a new medium and as such all too often old approaches are irrelevant or counter-productive - e.g. in spite of a growing body of evidence on banner blindness, naive site owners often still want banner-like graphics. In the context of the given question (and no you don't need to explain marketing to me - I've worked in advertising for 20+ years) the call to action falls *outside* the vendor environment (the site) and into the customer environment (the browser). As mentioned by others, this functionality is *already available* to any user, should s/he choose. Having said that, I would suggest to the client that this is at best unhelpful, at worst intrusive. But there are simple ways to encourage a user to share the site on delicious, facebook, etc. and these provide value to both vendor and customer - and are not limited to a subset of browsers, and can be standards-compliant. Andrew www.andrewmaben.net and...@andrewmaben.com In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions. (Forgive me if this duplicates the prior version) On Mar 25, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Steve Green wrote: -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: 25 March 2009 16:19 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] add to favorites? This list is aware of many marketing practices that are against Web Standards. -- Is this list interested in discussing how to balance the conflicting requirements of various stakeholders (including marketers) or does it take the dogmatic position that compliance with web stardards trumps everything else? Steve *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest
Agreed, I thought this was the WSG, I didn't sign up for CMS ads and updates thanks. Bruce bkdesign solutions - Original Message - From: Peter Dolkens To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest Ya, then there's posts like: == From: Sigurd Magnusson sig...@silverstripe.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:43:04 +1300 Subject: SilverStripe 2.3.0 released. The open source SilverStripe CMS and MVC framework (PHP5) has now had a v2.3.0 release: It brings a significant set of new features, described at: http://www.silverstripe.org/silverstripe-2-3-0-released-1000s-of-improvements/ Cheers, Sigurd Magnusson. == and the millions of silverstripe events being posted. They themselves aren't so bad but it's pretty obvious that either the rules aren't being followed, or they're being pushed. This is a standards mailing list, not a hey check out open source project X mailing list. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Mark Harris w...@tracs.co.nz wrote: Glen Wallis wrote: Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules against this? If so, they are not being enforced. I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If everyone on this list with a commercial or open source product or service is prevented from speaking about it at all, we'd lose a lot of content. I don't think Sigurd's posts are over the top, any more than the numerous Dreamweaver, Joomla, Drupal or insert_CMS_name_here posts, and I do think you're over-reacting just a tad. Cheers ~mark *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Examples of great high-school websites?
If one thinks about Web Standards, then views the source the answer is very apparent Bruce bkdesign solutions - Original Message - From: Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:03 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Examples of great high-school websites? What did you find to be so bad about the site, Stuart? -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:11 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Examples of great high-school websites? Perhaps the students should code the site - they couldn't do much worse! On Fri, January 16, 2009 7:00 pm, Fred Ballard wrote: Take a look at Sullivan High School's http://www.sullivanhs.org/. As you can see in the homepage's lower right corner it's from the Chicago Public Schools, http://www.cps.k12.il.us/, with a company, Educational Networks, http://www.educationalnetworks.net/, behind it. Is it too slick? I'm of two minds. It's great that it's a good-looking site, but it might be nice to let the students be the designers. I don't actually know what the students think about it, on the other hand. Fred On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:29 PM, David Lane d...@egressive.com wrote: Oops - should've been Disclosure rather than Disclaimer :) On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 15:21 +1300, David Lane wrote: Disclaimer: I've had occasional association with the work being done at Hagley, and have been a guest speaker to the computing students on a couple occasions :) -- David Lane = Egressive Ltd = d...@egressive.com = m:+64 21 229 8147 p:+64 3 963 3733 = Linux: it just tastes better = nosoftwarepatents http://egressive.com we only use open standards: http://w3.org Effusion Group Founding Member === http://effusiongroup.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Examples of great high-school websites?
The students are very likely to know more about web standards than whoever did these...lol Bruce bkdesign solutions - Original Message - From: Fred Ballard To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Examples of great high-school websites? Take a look at Sullivan High School's http://www.sullivanhs.org/. As you can see in the homepage's lower right corner it's from the Chicago Public Schools, http://www.cps.k12.il.us/, with a company, Educational Networks, http://www.educationalnetworks.net/, behind it. Is it too slick? I'm of two minds. It's great that it's a good-looking site, but it might be nice to let the students be the designers. I don't actually know what the students think about it, on the other hand. Fred On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:29 PM, David Lane d...@egressive.com wrote: Oops - should've been Disclosure rather than Disclaimer :) On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 15:21 +1300, David Lane wrote: Disclaimer: I've had occasional association with the work being done at Hagley, and have been a guest speaker to the computing students on a couple occasions :) -- David Lane = Egressive Ltd = d...@egressive.com = m:+64 21 229 8147 p:+64 3 963 3733 = Linux: it just tastes better = nosoftwarepatents http://egressive.com we only use open standards: http://w3.org Effusion Group Founding Member === http://effusiongroup.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] First Attempt
Andrew November 24, 2008 10:59 AM On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Kate wrote: Wow! You hand code For now, and I think, the foreseeable future, this is still the only way available if you want to get it right... ...although its a long road Yes it is! But worth it, and if you start simply, and follow the excellent advice that others here have offered, I think you'll find it's quite easy to find your way, and to find others who will be happy to help when the going gets tough. Good luck! *** 12 years ago on asking advice in starting down this road, a very wise engineer told me, Always code by hand. Use notepad or similar... While that was a difficult undertaking, it is the best advice I have had. I still use a basic editor on occasion, one such as cute html or similar is actually fine. Everyone has their fav, and that's ok, as long as it doesn't do everything for you and one learns nothing. But I have developed a system and basic web standards template system that works, so I have many examples of what I use all the time for clients set in new templates. Now I mostly work with a CMS such as ExpressionEngine and have developed a Web Standards template system that I modify as needed for all my clients. I firmly believe that reinventing the wheel for every site is not the best practice. And that browser hacks may be sometimes required. A lot of the time not, and we may end up using them to save time. When one gets a solid foundation and understanding that hand coding offers, one is never stuck in understanding the underlining principles and what is wrong when things just don't work as expected. I don't know why it don't work, dreamweaver did it isn't the way to impress clients! lol Best viewed in anything you want is a good label to apply to your sites, and perhaps what Web Standards is all about. Good luck, do it the hard way and you will know the road well. Bruce Prochnau bkdesign solutions *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] First Attempt
kate wrote: Thanks Bruce, Best viewed lolol was funny to read because about three years ago someone created an awesome site for me with Wordpress. He worked the China Red theme and wrote nin the sidebar best viewed in IE5 or higher. I never knew then about testing in different browsers and I really don't think he did either. One day someone sent a mail to me to say did I know its the only browser your site works in *is IE5...honest to God Bruce when I put it in Validator (someone said to) there was over 400 errors. That lol was my first hard lesson learnt. I would not know how to hand code in Notepad but I am impressed by people that can..who knows I may try it. Thanks Bruce! Kate a help I came across 3 years ago was Layout Gala, a series of layouts by Alessandro Fulciniti. http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/ I found looking at these in an editor, and making changes such as adding inner div's taught me a lot. They have been rock solid across all browsers and op systems. I'm not saying everyone should make all sites with these, but saying these and others done by members here are a definite shortcut to learning, preferred from stating by scrating your head and looking at a blank screen in an editor lol. Of course there are many other methods that can and should be learned, and sites such as maxdesign and positioniseverything, (and many others in this group!), have a ton of important and vital information. To be the best, learn from the best... Bruce *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] First Attempt
kate wrote: Wow Bruce, I transferred my code from Dreamweaver to Notepad gave it the .index.html and bingo even images..wow my giddy aunt I am amazed. lolol Positive from this is no upgrades for Dreamweaver. Kate wow my giddy aunt I am amazed. This statement is destined to go down in Web Standards history... Dreamweaver is, I am sure, an awesome tool. Tools can be used and serve a function for sure. Many prefer using such and that is fine and ok (not that I am in a position to be any kind of authority 'cause I'm not), principle would be a personal understanding of how things work and why, and not allow a tool to be our learning. Perhaps a good way to put it, Tools are best used when we don't need them Bruce *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] I am away on leave [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
i ain't sayin a word! Nope zip - nuttin bruce bkdesign - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:46 PM Subject: [WSG] I am away on leave [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] I am away on leave returning on Monday, 10 November 2008, if you have a request for Customs web admin please send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Nathan Nathan Franklin Web Admin | IT Applications | Australian Customs Service Ph: (02) 6275 6357 | http://www.customs.gov.au http://www.customs.gov.au/ IMPORTANT: * This transmission is intended for the use of the addressee only and might contain sensitive or legally privileged information. If you are NOT the intended recipient, you are notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify the author immediately by telephone and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. * The Australian Customs Service DOES NOT AUTHORISE the recipient to further disclose this email or its contents without permission of the originator. * Unsolicited commercial emails MUST NOT be forwarded to the originator of this transmission unless prior consent has been given. *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] URL length best practices
Todd Budnikas wrote: Wondering if people have insights into the length of a url for an article, and whether or not it is recommended to complete the name of an article in the url. For instance: http://egovau.blogspot.com/2008/10/do-collaborative-online-groups-need-to.html The name of this article is Do collaborative online groups need to be successful. The url above strips out be-successful. This may be the part of Blogger, or the author, but I've seen it in other instances with different Content Management systems as well. I personally would have added the additional words. Thoughts? I've always disliked short url's. Often they get cut off in silly and nonsensical places. There also may be a 'little seo' involved. Mostly personal preference methinks. The main issue is planning article titles to be as short as possible to begin with as the menu's have to be there as well. eg: Online Groups Success? And for menus we want short titles as much as possible... But personal preferences always rule, much like underscores or dashes, or the forbidden, Which CMS? Ford or Chev? lol Bruce bkdesign solutions *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] URL length best practices [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
From: silky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] URL length best practices [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Todd Budnikas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i completely agree with Justin, and all points from just about everyone who responded, so thanks. A follow-up question is then do you paraphrase an article title into a url, or just chop it? /music/a-fresh-and-powerful-new-cd-from-the-most-influential/ or /music/influential-musician-new-cd/ where article title is: A fresh and powerful new CD from the most influential musician of our generation Thats a sentence, not a title ;) Powerful New CD would suffice. But changing a lot of existing titles would be a pain with all the redirects needed... Bruce bkdesign solutions *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: Can I widen the question? Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what
From: Joseph Ortenzi wrote: I shortened the URL for you. That discussion was 2006 so I hope there are more on offer now as opposed to then... http://is.gd/1q4a Joe I would suggest using the forum. Someone created a thread there about this topic already: http://forum.webstandardsgroup.org/discussion/25/standardsaccessibilty-frien dly-shopping-cart-/ How does the url go from one domain to another? http://forum.webstandardsgroup.org/discussion/25/standardsaccessibilty-friendly-shopping-cart-/ Much less being unreadable as to content bruce bkdesign solutions *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: Can I widen the question? Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what
Looks like the forums require a separate application to use? Bruce bkdesign - Original Message - From: Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Can I widen the question? Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what I shortened the URL for you. That discussion was 2006 so I hope there are more on offer now as opposed to then... http://is.gd/1q4a Joe On Aug 13, 2008, at 17:07, Kepler Gelotte wrote: If anybody is likely to collect a list of tools and software that can (or can be made to) deliver standards based content, it should be us; any idea how we could list and share? I would suggest using the forum. Someone created a thread there about this topic already: http://forum.webstandardsgroup.org/discussion/25/standardsaccessibilty-frien dly-shopping-cart-/ Best regards, Kepler Gelotte Neighbor Webmaster, Inc. 156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854 www.neighborwebmaster.com phone/fax: (732) 302-0904 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Kepler Gelotte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).vcf == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.typingthevoid.com http://twitter.com/wheelyweb *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up a Calendar
8bits Media wrote: We currently have a project that includes a calendar in the design. The dilemma I currently have, is what is the best way to mark the calendar up? Should we use tables, or is it more semantically correct these days to use an unordered list? I'd be very interested to here peoples thoughts on the matter. Thanks, Nick Lazar 8bits Media To me a calendar is columns and rows of data, so a table works fine. Bruce bkdesign solutions *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Aligning a menu to the bottom of a div
Michael Horowitz wrote:
I have a horizontal menu in my header div and I would like it to be
aligned at the bottom of my div instead of the top.
Try this
#header {
position: relative;
height: 5em;
background: #CCC;
}
#header ul {
position: absolute;
bottom: 0;
left: 0;
width: 100%;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
text-align: right;
background: #900;
}
#header ul li {
display: inline;
background: #5D2;
}
Position relative on the header will make it the container for the
absolutely positioned list.
Bruce
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Re: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3
Paul wrote: Lets keep it positive folks. It won't be pretty if we start assigning value to people by how their sites look through the validator. No kidding! I recently checked one page on my site and had 102 errors. Some could come along and say, What a lousy job, I'll never hire nor recommend him! Truth is, I had updated my cms and didn't check pages being valid as in general they are, but a bug in cms update made it wrap paragraph tags around my div's, which it hadn't before. I didn't notice for quite a while. Removing the p tags fixed errors. So judging would have been completely unfair and wrong... Bruce bkdesign - Original Message - From: Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3 Hi Jen, Your comment may have come across as a bit more negative than it was intended, however: http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fairfax.com.au%2Findex.ac (46 errors) He who lives in a glass house etc, etc... My opinion (and it is just that) is the we need to stop being so critical about trifling matters like this. I applaud Opera for their involvement in web standards and for their commitment to put a resource like this together even when it doesn't seem to offer a direct business benefit for them. Lets keep it positive folks. It won't be pretty if we start assigning value to people by how their sites look through the validator. Happy Friday :) Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] inline images in p
http://www.netmechanic.com/news/vol7/html_no10.htm Bruce bkdesign - Original Message - From: Andrew famiano [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] inline images in p the problem is the alignment. how do you align the image centered with the text? On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:34 AM, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 Jun 2008, at 15:23, Andrew famiano wrote: What's the best way to display inline images in a p? non, img src=facebook.png alt=facebook congue, arcu. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
Agree here, I really have to dislike someone to put their email on a webpage in a readable format, there are scripts to hide it. Bruce bkdesign - Original Message - From: Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email Accessible or to keep them not readble from the search engines and SPAM?? Michael Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: What is the most accessible method to have email links on web pages? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Michael Persson front-end developer seo *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Making Video Accessible
I would say sub titles for sure. I found 2 players that are excellent for this, the open source player by http://www.jeroenwijering.com using SWFObject embed and javascript php player http://www.rich-media-project.com/ There's probably others I am sure but these are excellent/ easy to add subtitles-captions For plugins that may be a different matter as one is limited to the plugin then, which is why I seldom use them. Bruce Prochnau bkdesign solutions - Original Message - From: Viable Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: [WSG] Making Video Accessible Hello. I recently found a video embedder plugin that works well with WordPress and validates perfectly with a strict doctype. But I realize validation does not equal accessibility, so what exactly needs to be done to make video accessible? Is it a matter of adding a subtitle track? Thanks for your help. Jo Hawke http://www.viabledesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
I would also make sure a way of turning the music off is immediately apparent. Nothing is more annoying than having to look all over to find off button Looks like someone borrowed a thread name? lol Bruce bkdesign solutions - Original Message - From: Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction I always remind people if music auto starts the potential customers can't come to your site at work because they won't want their boss to hear the music blaring. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 dwain wrote: On 3/17/08, *kevin mcmonagle* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid. The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously. What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing music track? i would suggest allowing the user to stop the music if they so choose. not everybody likes the same music or song, so he could lose many visitors because of the continuous track with no way to stop it. on the other hand a visitor could mute the sound. dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CMS review
This conversation comes up frequently. Unfortunately most of what are called
content management systems do not let the developer determine what shows in
the published template, as they are wrapped around the core programming and
difficult to customize and change at will..
Thus the question for a standards producing cms.
What is needed is a cms that has the template code in the open in {x}html
format which allows unlimited customization of it.
Then the tags representing the data are added in.
title, body, extended text, custom fields etc.
These also are simply containers of data, without markup aside from
paragraph and break tags, and the developer adds what he/she wishes for css.
Separation of data and formatting/presentation. Perfect rss. Freedom.
Over the last five years I looked for this. I found 2 out of over 40, and
every new one out is the same, inaccessible.
These two are Movable Type and Expression Engine.
The templates contain what YOU want them to, the cms simply gives you the
tags representing the data which is usually plain text.
Perfect, the CMS is as Standard as YOU make it, not as Standard as the
original programmer decides.
Freedom is a good thing, yes?
Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign Solutions
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Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: [WSG] CMS review
Alysia wrote:
Hello.
I have just discovered this australian based company Powerfront. I am
really interested in some feedback.
Here is an example website which I think is pretty good
http://www.goodshepvic.org.au/
It prompts you to download Flash 9 - which people on locked-down
computers may not be able to do - and doesn't let you know what happens
if you don't do it.
I don't think that's pretty good.
Lots of empty ALT attributes, for non-decorative elements.
Text size is not adjustable in IE6.
Kerry
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Re: [WSG] CMS review
One of the goals of MySource Matrix is to allow the end-user to
customise every single piece of output text without development.
Does this mean that I can add a menu below the banner by simply adding the
html to the template, and css to the css file?
Change the Doctype at will, edit any template or add new additional ones?
Customize what shows in a menu using html in the template itself, limit
items in the menu in the template and not in some admin WYSIWTG editor?
The principle wanted is that the template that shows an article for example,
is 100% editable and accessible in it's entirety for editing.
If yes, I'll have to take a look cause haven't found but 2 in over 5 years,
and I do this full time.
Thanks
Bruce
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Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] CMS review
On 29/02/2008, at 4:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
What is needed is a cms that has the template code in the open in
{x}html format which allows unlimited customization of it.
One of the goals of MySource Matrix is to allow the end-user to customise
every single piece of output text without development. I reckon we're at
about 98% coverage on this and we urge our clients to alert us if there
is a piece of content generated by MySource Matrix that isn't
customisable, so we can fix it. :)
We also strong believe in standard, compliance and accessibility and
strive to provide a CMS that enables all of these.
cYa,
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Re: [WSG] re: generate data
I would certainly add this to the mix along with the links there, all 7 chapters :) http://www.onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/ along with http://icant.co.uk/ Bruce bkdesign On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 6:53 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm more of a designer than a developer. my knowledge of javascript is limited. i am currently reading: javascript, the definitive guide by david flanagan. help me out here please, if i'm off base or need more information. i don't understand why someone would code a page and use javascript that would make the page not available without it. would someone like to point me to some references on how to use javascript in a standards compliant way and have a go at the above question? hijax http://xtech06.usefulinc.com/schedule/paper/29 dwain *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Decorative bolding
I'd use span and a class, then if they change their mind or want it red-green etc is easy to change Bruce bkdesign - Original Message - From: Rachel May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 5:55 PM Subject: [WSG] Decorative bolding Hi everyone, I have a client who requires part of their name to be bolded within the body text for brand reasons. This I see as decorative, therefore it would not be correct to strong it... Do I: a. Use the b tag, or... b. Use a span tag and bold it using CSS? What everyone think?? Thanks, Rachel *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] help with picture alignment in CSS
On xp windows I see the thumbs half in the white area rest in right brown.in
ie7 and firefox
Moving .gallerycontainer position to less 200? if you want them in white and
changing .thumbnail:hover SPAN to suit?
Bruce
bkdesign
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:41 AM
Subject: [WSG] help with picture alignment in CSS
Hello,
I have a site here that I've been trying to add some pictures to. I have
IE7 and Firefox and it looks good but my client is seeing things different
with her IE. The pictures at the bottom, 6 of them should be lined up all
in a row but are not. I put the code I am using inside the page and in
this email.
Can someone take a look and let me know if they can see what is going on
here.
Thanks.tg
Here is the link:
http://www.rejuvenatespas.com/test.html
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style type=text/css
.gallerycontainer{
position: absolute;
/*Add a height attribute and set to largest image's height to prevent
overlaying*/
left: 430px;
}
.thumbnail img{
border: 1px solid white;
margin: 0 5px 5px 0;
}
.thumbnail:hover{
background-color: transparent;
}
.thumbnail:hover img{
border: 1px solid gray;
}
.thumbnail span{ /*CSS for enlarged image*/
position: absolute;
background-color: lightyellow;
padding: 5px;
left: -1000px;
border: 1px dashed black;
visibility: hidden;
color: black;
text-decoration: none;
}
.thumbnail span img{ /*CSS for enlarged image*/
border-width: 0;
padding: 2px;
}
.thumbnail:hover span{ /*CSS for enlarged image*/
visibility: visible;
bottom: 0;
left: 300px; /*position where enlarged image should offset horizontally */
z-index: 50;
}
/style
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Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy
Is Microsoft going to pay me my time to add another tag to the head of every page on every clients site I've ever done? NOT So it won't happen, why should we spend even more time on MS screwups? Or am I misreading all this? Bruce bkdesign - Original Message - From: Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:18 AM Subject: [WSG] This IE8 controversy Hi I just like to ask if it might be possible to turn off this version freezing thing in IE8, maybe with some markup or something. I agree with Drew Mclellan when he said in his blog that old browsers must die. -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy
...Too much work for those that aren't in the know. Chris. I disagree. Why should I make fixes on my clents sites because ie8 doesn't work properly? I won't, and what I know has nothing to do with it. MS says it would cost too much to change the engine. well, too bad, I'm not going to with my time fix their errors. Bruce bkdesign - Original Message - From: Chris Broadfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy Chris Knowles wrote: Chris Broadfoot wrote: Chris Knowles wrote: I don't see how opting-in to standards by adding a meta tag does anything for me or anyone else. Except for Microsoft of course, by allowing them to do the right thing at last and create a decent browser while at the same time not doing the right thing and ignoring the mess they created. I don't think they're ignoring the mess they created at all.. Is adding a meta tag really too much work to provide your users/visitors the viewing experience they should have? Yeah actually I agree, they're not ignoring the mess. Just actively covering it up by enlisting yours and my support. My users/visitors should get the right viewing experience by default, not by having to opt-in. On the contrary, if you wish your users/visitors to NOT get the right viewing experience, is opting-out by adding a meta tag really too much work? Too much work for those that aren't in the know. Chris. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy
Precisely and well said, bruce bkdesign - Original Message - From: Ben Buchanan snip/ Consider it this way: is any other browser maker asking you to modify every single HTML document you publish, just to fix a problem *they* created? ...and not for the first time, given MS already expects us to load up our sites with conditional comments and extra stylesheets... It really wouldn't matter so much if they were making IE8 default to IE8, then letting people set it back to IE7 if they actually need it. This way around ticks people off for the same reason SPAM ticks them off - they didn't ask for it! cheers, Ben *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
One thought. Being Web Standards Group, look for Unobtrusive JavaScript. Google helps :) Bruce bkdesign solutions - Original Message - From: Rob Mason To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript Hi guys, Am comfortable with HTML/CSS and accessibility in general, but struggle with JavaScript. I'm not a developer by trade, am a business type (sales and marketing) so most oft he stuff is well over my head. I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. Either on or offline will do. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance Rob -- Rob Mason t/a Sponge Project www.spongeproject.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS help
For some time now I have used the below as a foundation. Adding inner classes to the main areas is best. #Nav_inner, #content_inner etc I have tested these in 98 operating system/browser combos and they are rock solid: http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/ Bruce P BKDesign - Original Message - From: Rob Enslin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:34 PM Subject: [WSG] CSS help Dear Group, I'm a relative newby to web design so please excuse me if this question is simple. The problem: I don't have (or know how to have) a structured system of building my style sheets. I find I keep just adding to the file until problems in my output display start to develop. They very often become messy and conflict-ridden. My style sheets end up being very long and don't cascade well. The question/advise/thoughts: Is there a way, a logical procedure or rule which I should adopt to prevent me from going forwards and backwards and constantly patching it up? Any help from an already helpful discussion forum most appreciated. Thanks, Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS help correction
oops, Adding inner classes to the main areas is best. #Nav_inner, #content_inner etc should be: .nav_inner, .content_inner etc Using the rule to not pad/style a primary layout div. Bruce - Original Message - From: Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS help For some time now I have used the below as a foundation. Adding inner classes to the main areas is best. #Nav_inner, #content_inner etc I have tested these in 98 operating system/browser combos and they are rock solid: http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/ Bruce P BKDesign - Original Message - From: Rob Enslin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:34 PM Subject: [WSG] CSS help Dear Group, I'm a relative newby to web design so please excuse me if this question is simple. The problem: I don't have (or know how to have) a structured system of building my style sheets. I find I keep just adding to the file until problems in my output display start to develop. They very often become messy and conflict-ridden. My style sheets end up being very long and don't cascade well. The question/advise/thoughts: Is there a way, a logical procedure or rule which I should adopt to prevent me from going forwards and backwards and constantly patching it up? Any help from an already helpful discussion forum most appreciated. Thanks, Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Rounded Courners .... Your Take
Personally, and perhaps I am too motivated towards simplicity, I use three images. One across the top, one in middle, one for bottom. I find JavaScript annoying as I watch the corners filling in after page loads. Four to six images using css are better, but still problematical for alignment,loading, and extra css. Bruce bkdesign James Jeffery wrote: What methods do you find best when creating rounded corners and which methods are the most supported? I have been using span tags and absolute positioning. I have also recently started to use the sliding doors method because you can achive nice rounded boxes with some nice effects, even better if you use PNG's. Using the span method i did find a bug in IE 6, the 2 corner span's wouldn't sit flush with the bottom of the containing div, although it displayed fine in every other browser i tested it on and they could be resized fine. It was odd though, because IE 5.x display them perfect, was just IE 6. Lets have your beloved methods then guys. James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
Kit Grose wrote: One of the more horrible problems drop-down menus experience. It appears it is universal, a client said he wanted a site similar to www.time.com Going there, guess what the top menu does... http://www.time.com/time/business Bruce bkdesign *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
Can anyone advise on the most accessible, open-source CMS between Joomla, Drupal or Plone? These and related are as accessible as their programmers make them. I find them all difficult to configure for the reason that one is limited my mambots, modules, plugins, etc which are made to add functions and wysiwyg editors. All the code in the templates (if they can be found even) is integrated into the core and is difficult at best to edit. I find even wordpress editing out code I add to templates and becoming increasingly unusable. Expression Engine on the other hand is as accessible and Standards based as YOU make it. The templates are in the open and stand alone in the sense they aren't wrapped around the core programming and they will output anything put in them. All the xhtml code is right there and not dependent on other core programming or functions. Bruce Prochnau bkdesign solutions - Original Message - From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS On 9/12/07, Marghanita da Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tee G. Peng wrote: On Sep 12, 2007, at 2:13 AM, Web Dandy Design wrote: Hi, Can anyone advise on the most accessible, open-source CMS between Joomla, Drupal or Plone? Modx cms snip Does anyone have any thoughts on Text Pattern? http://www.textpattern.com/ I do: use Wordpress http://www.wordpress.org/ -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Julie Watkins-Lyall, Ruairi, is away from the office.
Can't something be done about these out of office replies? I get tired of deleting them... Bruce P bkdesign - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: [WSG] Julie Watkins-Lyall is away from the office. I will be out of the office starting 10/08/2007 and will not return until 19/08/2007. I am attending a conference and will respond to your message when I return. If you require an urgent response, please leave a message on my mobile 0422917755. ** IMPORTANT: This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is confidential, commercially valuable or subject to legal or parliamentary privilege. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any review, re-transmission, disclosure, use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited by several Commonwealth Acts of Parliament. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!
I think the thread here would be summed up as: Most everyone would agree pdf is a usefull file format with special qualities and good. There is nothing wrong with the pdf format. PDF isn't a web format and causes some people problems in both usability and irritation. Having a link that says Read this or read more etc, and surprise surprise, a new browser window opens up and some people get locked up while waiting for this unexpected event to take place...is a no no Would about sum it up. Myself, I would say: Clearly indicate the format and maybe suggest downloading, especially if very large, State size of file. If smaller file offer it in html format, especially when part of the site... Otherwise, it isn't a bad thing, just when not clear what exactly it is, and size. My 2 cents anyways.. Bruce P bkdesign - Original Message - From: Matthew Ohlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saying that PDF's are needed by Government Websites is a very circular argument for allowing them - why are they needed? In my experience it is only ever because of laziness or poorly designed workflows, and as you point out, we all hate them, especially when they cannot be opened/read. Mike I have worked for an organization that uses PDF's in their loan application process. They have to send some of the filled out forms into the Small Bu and therefore they have to follow a specific format for the forms. It would be confusing and time consuming to create multiple versions of the form--since if anything ever went to court they would need a copy of the exact form a user filled out--not one where the information had been transfered over to a new form. If anyone is interested in reading, here is an Adobe article on PDF accessibility. http://www.adobe.com/enterprise/accessibility/reader/sec1.html Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! was Re: [WSG] To target or not
Personally and from a usability I feel pdf's belong in the office, not on the web. As a definite download link and have a choice between viewing it as html or a pdf download. I hate seeing pdf becoming more popular. Bruce P bkdesign - Original Message - From: Michael MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! was Re: [WSG] To target or not I'm all about web conventions. I didn't realize having a blank target didn't follow web standards. Is that documented somewhere? This one still bothers me ... The alternatives I've seen invariably require javascript and some of those javascript methods give the user less choice and are also not well suited for user-generated content (often created with wysiwyg editors) I'm seeing a very annoying trend lately where quite a few sites are forcing pdf's to open in a new browser window with javascript. I do not think it is acceptable to force people to wait over a minute with a locked up browser for a slow plugin to start without warning! - at least give them the option to right-click and download it for offline viewing! (or better don't use pdf - use html! ) Government-related sites seem to be the worst offenders - They seem to have almost everything as pdf Until they fix browsers to not lock up while loading slow plugins or they fix acrobat reader to start more quickly I'll continue to regard sites that force people to view pdfs in a browser as being about on about the same level as those nasty porn sites with endless chains of popup windows. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites - dont close it yet admin!
Graphic Design vs Web Design - the keyword here is design, both processes use the principles of design to solve a problem. We all use repetition, balance, emphasis to create a product suitable to our clients/overlords/users. let's not get hung up on the media. There's no doubt in my mind a part of any good website are the graphical/textual elements, but a successful solution must include a whole host of other disciplines (useability, accessibility etc). From my experience a typical web project involves taking an existing organisation into the wierd wide web. They already have a fancy logo, colour scheme, marketing strategy. The hard work is integrating it into a relevant web structure so everyone from grandma with her win98/IE4 to young johnny on his playstation 3 browser can use it to find whatever they wanted to find when they googled the org's keywords. Bruce (broken a few wooden spoons in my time!) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites - THREAD CLOSED
Hopefully it will be kept in mind that some of us come to our email clients and go through the emails from top to bottom. I'd hate to be unsubscribed because of this practice. One would have to scan through all messages to make sure its safe to reply to any...maybe not a bad idea, but one could get to a point of not saying anything then. Bruce P - Original Message - From: russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Web Standards Group wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites - THREAD CLOSED THIS THREAD IS CLOSED This is the second reply to a closed thread. No more! The list guidelines state: The list administrators (and Core members) reserve the right to unsubscribe any member from the mail list(s)... Reasons include: - Repeatedly replying to threads that have been closed Thanks Russ on 13/7/07 12:51 AM, Bruce at wrote: ...As long as you have an endless appetite for learning more and more all over the board, before you know it you'll be pretty far along with your knowledge There really is no end to it, daily I am updating my skills and seem always to reach out and make that latest script I just mastered do even more. The only problem I have with this as a one man shop is that I spend more time learning than working on clients sites. Alas, I have not yet made my million...one more skill needed...ten to ignore - have no time...so I learn priorities...foundations. Web Standards. Content Management. Then the programming skills. After four or five years doing this full time and five part time, being from a construction background I speak of foundations a lot. Standards are that foundation. Bruce P bkdesign *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Who's A Front End Developer?
This is an interesting discussion. I find I cannot/don't want to call myself a web designer, and have been using the term developer because of the fact I am more into and better at php, mysql, xml and the cms aspect than design. Designer- appearance, structure including web standards layout. Developer- the mechanics of the site, publishing it (cms), programming up to a poficiency level (grey area), and development of xml, php, databases etc.. Programmer - works with a major programming language at a very high proficiency level and can program from scratch. I consider web standards and the cms the foundation that all three build upon. Bruce P bkdesign - Original Message - From: John Horner To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 2:55 AM Subject: [WSG] Who's A Front End Developer? I'm interested in the front end part of the Dutch group's name. We were having a discussion at work the other day about which skills you should have to have in order to call yourself a web developer. I just finished a project which required knowledge of the following: * HTML * CSS * Javascript * XML * Perl or PHP * SQL but what's the minimum set of skills we think someone should have to call themselves a web developer? You could make a case, I'm sure, for just HTML and CSS. You develop (non-interactive) web pages with HTML and CSS. Javascript is really a programming language. Should AJAX be listed seperately? However, if that's enough to call yourself a web developer, what do we call someone with all the skills above? = The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments. = *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Robot meta tags
Hi Mark On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 21:42 +1200, Mark Harris wrote: James Jeffery wrote: No all meta tags are depreciated, and i cant see them being either, google still uses the meta=description , as also bruce has pointed out. Not to pick on you, James, because Bruce already used it, but the word is deprecated not depreciated. Actually I didn't use the word at all in my post. And before someone picks on me for being a spelling-nazi, the words have significantly different meanings, and it's important to use the right one. Thanks for pointing out the difference, was a new one to me. I actually think that in the context that meta tags have depreciated (lost value over time) in a SEO sense. I'd tend to see deprecated as a more technical term and as far as I know meta tags have not been marked as deprecated in current specifications. Anyway English is not my favourite subject but if you'd like to debate it further lets do it off list. Cheers Bruce -- Bruce Morrison Solution Architect designIT Pty Ltd Website Content Management Specialists *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Robot meta tags
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 19:04 -0400, Brian Cummiskey wrote: Joyce Evans wrote: Is it important to include the following as part of the meta tags on web pages? meta name=robots content=index,follow No. Meta tags are all but depreciated at this point. he only common one still being used is the langauge/charset type. Most possibly getting off topic but meta name=description content =meta description here / WILL be used by google for the description under the title in search results. Cheers Bruce -- Bruce Morrison Solution Architect designIT Pty Ltd Website Content Management Specialists *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions
Hi Mark On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 23:29 +0100, Mark Hedley wrote: Be interested to see if anyone can recommend a robust solution geared for UK E-commerce using Protx VSP Direct + 3D Secure. eZ Publish has Protx Plugin http://ez.no/community/contribs/workflow/protx_payment_gateway I haven't used it so I can comment on weather it uses VSP Direct + 3D Secure Cheers Bruce -- Bruce Morrison Solution Architect designIT Pty Ltd Website Content Management Specialists *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] ive given up on css
On 5/16/07, Ben Dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a link to put a smile on your face anyway, old school web design studio at it's best: http://www.wizwebz.co.uk ... (I kinda like it for some inexplicable reason) last updated their home page in 2000. That is old school! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- ::Bruce:: *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Odd behaviour in Opera and Safari
Rachel May wrote:
http://skylight.web1.heliocell.com/professionals--community-
groups.aspx
odd behaviour in Opera and Safari - the page headings are
going small after the page is loading.
In Firefox with web dev extension, Edit CSS shows niftyCorners.css is
not found.
The 404 error page that it shows for that stylesheet has a H2 style
{ font: 8pt/12pt verdana }
Bruce
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Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help
Bob Schwartz wrote:
I am in the process of converting my javascript library to nonobtrusive
js.
Where could I go for help in converting these?
Perhaps related:
http://redotheweb.com/2007/02/28/unobtrusive-javascript-made-possible/
Bruce P
bkdesign
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From: Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help
Thanks Mordechai,
I'll start with the easy one first:
var d=new Date();yr=d.getFullYear();if (yr!=2003)document.write
(copy; +yr); myplace
which gives me: © 2007 myplace
Here's my pathetic attempt:
window.onload = function() {
var para = document.createElement(p);
var txt1 = document.createTextNode(copy; );
var year = new Date().getFullYear();
var now = year;
var txt2 = document.createTextNode()
var txt3 = document.createTextNode( FIFe);
para.appendChild(txt1);
para.appendChild(txt2);
para.appendChild(txt3);
var testdiv = document.getElementById(testdiv);
testdiv.appendChild(para);
}
and think I know where it is wrong
I need to get it to write the year (ex-document +yr) in the () of the
txt2 node, but I don't know how to do it.
I also don't think the if (yr!=2003) from the old js is necessary,
but I may be wrong
Bob Schwartz wrote:
I am in the process of converting my javascript library to nonobtrusive
js.
Where could I go for help in converting these?
Here, for one place. Can you be more specific about the problems?
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[WSG] Horizontal Menu- Site Check
Hi all, I have a large site launch in a few days at a big show in Germany. Now I have the top menu with a 10-12px gap at the end which I cannot remove no matter what I do. Its only in IE (figures). If I try making it wider it breaks, and is perfect in FF. It has to be a padding issue but cannot figure it out. Page is fixed width, 770px. html and css is here: http://www.bkdesign.ca/menu.txt Site: http://69.94.122.44/new.php?/caribbean/category/antiqua/ If anyone has an idea it would be really appreciated. Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions
Re: [WSG] Horizontal Menu- Site Check Fixed
Now I know why I never write in. Ten minutes after sending this I found the problem,,, rather fixed it. Overflow hidden on the wrapper did the trick, something was forcing the site wider. Spent hours not being able to fix it, write to the list and find it in ten minutes. Conclusion? Looks like the way to fix the unsolvable is to write to the group, even if no body answers the answer comes anyways lol Bruce - Original Message - From: Bruce To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:10 AM Subject: [WSG] Horizontal Menu- Site Check Hi all, I have a large site launch in a few days at a big show in Germany. Now I have the top menu with a 10-12px gap at the end which I cannot remove no matter what I do. Its only in IE (figures). If I try making it wider it breaks, and is perfect in FF. It has to be a padding issue but cannot figure it out. Page is fixed width, 770px. html and css is here: http://www.bkdesign.ca/menu.txt Site: http://69.94.122.44/new.php?/caribbean/category/antiqua/ If anyone has an idea it would be really appreciated. Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions
Re: [WSG] Horizontal Menu- Site Check
I noticed just after I posted that it wasn't the menu as front page was fine. Am checking widths Overflow hidden fixed, but that isn't really a fix. Thanks!! Bruce - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Horizontal Menu- Site Check Hi Bruce, I think you are looking in the wrong place. The issue is not with your menu!! It looks to me like your 3rd column is pushing the maincontainer out beyond it's intended width of 770px. Good luck!! Cheers Nathan - Original Message - From: Bruce To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:10 PM Subject: [WSG] Horizontal Menu- Site Check Hi all, I have a large site launch in a few days at a big show in Germany. Now I have the top menu with a 10-12px gap at the end which I cannot remove no matter what I do. Its only in IE (figures). If I try making it wider it breaks, and is perfect in FF. It has to be a padding issue but cannot figure it out. Page is fixed width, 770px. html and css is here: http://www.bkdesign.ca/menu.txt Site: http://69.94.122.44/new.php?/caribbean/category/antiqua/ If anyone has an idea it would be really appreciated. Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions
Re: [WSG] Horizontal Menu- Site Check
Joshua Street wrote: No help there right now, coz I'm at home and without access to IE, BUT... I do have a bug report for you. Firefox 1.0.x/Linux (and presumably on every other platform, and probably 1.5 also) your menubase.gif background for the Destinations menu (left column) really isn't working too well. I sized the text up and down and still couldn't get it to match the lines in the background image. You probably should seriously think about putting that background on the LI instead, because it's... moderately broken at the minute (I imagine it could/would also be broken in IE at non-default (or even default) text sizes, too). That aside, I like the site... especially the front page... nifty boxes! (Mind you, the smaller square content boxes are doing some funky stuff with enable/disable CSS with web developer's toolbar in Firefox... suffice to say you won't have too many people with that problem outside this list! ;-)) Josh ** Thanks Josh, I see the menu situation now thanks, will throw it into the li. I have no idea what you mean when disabling css and the boxes on main page, they are all background images in the stylesheet so when I disable styles they dont show... Feedback is appreciated thanks! This one was a big job and continuing but very close to releasable.. Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Validate -nolayer?
I'm getting this and find nothing on a search: element nolayer undefined It's part of an existing site forms so have to keep it as far as I knowhow do you define nolayer? Thanks Bruce - Original Message - From: Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Horizontal Menu- Site Check Joshua Street wrote: No help there right now, coz I'm at home and without access to IE, BUT... I do have a bug report for you. Firefox 1.0.x/Linux (and presumably on every other platform, and probably 1.5 also) your menubase.gif background for the Destinations menu (left column) really isn't working too well. I sized the text up and down and still couldn't get it to match the lines in the background image. You probably should seriously think about putting that background on the LI instead, because it's... moderately broken at the minute (I imagine it could/would also be broken in IE at non-default (or even default) text sizes, too). That aside, I like the site... especially the front page... nifty boxes! (Mind you, the smaller square content boxes are doing some funky stuff with enable/disable CSS with web developer's toolbar in Firefox... suffice to say you won't have too many people with that problem outside this list! ;-)) Josh ** Thanks Josh, I see the menu situation now thanks, will throw it into the li. I have no idea what you mean when disabling css and the boxes on main page, they are all background images in the stylesheet so when I disable styles they dont show... Feedback is appreciated thanks! This one was a big job and continuing but very close to releasable.. Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Technical Aberrations?
The simplebits is very interesting. But it seems angled images in a list that change aren't do-able using CSS without tables and some kind of image replacement technique. A pic is worth a thousand words so I have made a link to the mockup with a menu item hi-lited.: http://www.bkdesign.ca/mockup5.pdf Personally I don't think this can be done, but I'm an amature, Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Rob Mientjes wrote: On 14/01/06, Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mean to make this into a lesson on adobe photoshop on this list, perhaps I shouldn't have written in. Mostly was wondering about the use of pdf images in design and angled images in lists. These are supposed to be angled images in a list menu that fit tight together...and change on mouseover. Don't know if thats possible. It is, but it will require some smart positioning. I don't have the time right now to give you an example, but it's certainly doable. It's even doable without images, I think (borders and such). http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2004/07/12/bulletproof_slants.html is also a method. HTH -Rob. NS²zµ?ÿnv¢®y¶Áµj,¦þ-?Sq¢Tzz¶¶z¶¶. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Technical Aberrations?
A bit ago I had a question on pdf image files which was answered by quite a few, and appreciated. I'm a bit of a beginner at standards and been making sites for a quite a few years and online ten. In that time I have made quite a few sites, starting with tables, and recently moved to CSS and standards, but always learning, especially with the assistance of the WSG. The client I referred to was nice enough to separate the pdf site plan into individual parts, about twenty of them and send them on. Very nice. I how have twenty pdf files of small images of various shapes, images vary but are around 61x72px and each one on a transparent background, which is 400px by 500px. These are supposed to be inline menu items, all angled, all pdf. All large backgrounds and no way to cut them out. I now realize I can convert these in photoshop. Great. So now have small angled jpg images on a huge transparent background. Just as useless. I'm totally clueless and client wants it in a few days, and is willing to pay good. I seriously think I have some decisions to make: I am such a rank amature that I should give it up to those more technically inclined. I live on a different planet and haven't seen this stuff before because of that. I have for the first time ran into someone who operates in a different technical environment which I accidently had the good fortune to avoid until now. I'm right in thinking that this kind of complex stuff is archaic, and these methods are by geeks and for geeks and have no place in designing websites and only impresses those immersed in it. I'm totally wrong in the above and a rank amature. Give this site up and pretend it never happened. Give the site up and put it down to an abberation that probably won't happen again. lol Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions-without solutions ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Technical Aberrations?
wendy wrote: Bruce, Can you not place pdfs into Photoshop document and then crop and carry on from there with properly-sized image, or am I not understanding something? Wendy I have separated one to actual size, the images are angled, but the edges are square out of photoshop. I don't mean to make this into a lesson on adobe photoshop on this list, perhaps I shouldn't have written in. Mostly was wondering about the use of pdf images in design and angled images in lists. These are supposed to be angled images in a list menu that fit tight together...and change on mouseover. Don't know if thats possible. Thanks Bruce bkdesign ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] pdf graphics
woops, sorry sent 2 the same, the main page was supposed to be one with no text. Hope they weren't too big. Bruce - Original Message - From: Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] pdf graphics We're waaay OT now, but I can't resist just posting this last message for those thinking about Photoshop-GIMP migration. GIMPshop! is a re-working of The GIMP's interface to make it more Photoshop-like. I haven't used it myself, because I recently went (was coerced into going) the other way (i.e. GIMP-Photoshop), but I imagine it could be worth a look if you're in the opposite boat. http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294 Josh ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] pdf graphics
Thanks all who answered. I have to admit I never knew photoshop would open pdf. Unbelievable perhaps, but nontheless... Even version 5.5 opened tham and I was able to save as jpg. Thanks! Bruce Prochnau BKDesign - Original Message - From: Mark Desmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] pdf graphics On Friday 13 January 2006 08:50 am, Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: GIMP is a fine program, but no replacement for Photoshop, it is just not as robust. Mark Desmet This may be a bit off-topic, but I saw a few people mentioning GIMP. I'm a long time Photoshop user (since version 5.0), and Photoshop has been one of the excuses for staying a Windows user. Has anyone been a longtime Photoshop user and switched to GIMP, and not looked back? Maybe just email me if this is the case rather than pollute the list anymore than I just have. Thanks, Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marilyn Langfeld wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 6:59 AM, kvnmcwebn wrote: are the graphics vectors? Opening from Adobe illustrator would keep everything nice and editable. -kvnmcwebn I second trying Illustrator first, Photoshop next. Recent versions of both will open the files. Illustrator's underlying format is pdf, so you can almost always open a pdf with Illustrator, then reestablish layers yourself if you have to and change measurements to pixels and make the size 100% or an even multiple of the pixel size you want-- fonts may be a problem if you don't have the same ones on your machine that were used in the pdf. Photoshop has a pdf import dialog box that allows you to decide on the page if it's multipage pdf, ppi, rgb vs cmyk, size. There's no layer support if the original was made in InDesign or Quark, but layers may transfer if the graphic was made in a new version of Illustrator. Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld Langfeldesigns http://www.langfeldesigns.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] horizontal list padding
This seems incredible. I just spent 3 hours trying to make a simple horizontal list 38px high with links centered and padded top and bottom. I cannot do it, here comes tables for me. Was at listomatic too. Bruce Prochnau ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] horizontal list padding
Formula for success. Get tired and frustrated, then write a note to web standards group complaining. Ten seconds later see a comma that was missed in stylesheet. sheesh, sorry all Bruce Prochnau ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] horizontal list padding
I find I cannot do a list today. Not one simple list that works in ie and firefox. 4 hours Bruce Prochnau Jeff D. Reid wrote: We have all been there before Bruce... : ) Formula for success. Get tired and frustrated, then write a note to web standards group complaining. Ten seconds later see a comma that was missed in stylesheet. sheesh, sorry all Bruce Prochnau ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Could really use some help with image overflow
In my banners/headers I almost always use background image...alternative is a % width. Or am I missing something/being dumb? Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: Barrie North To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: [WSG] Could really use some help with image overflow Hi all, I have a fluid layout and for the life of me cant get the image to be cropped as the screen adjusts. Here is the link: http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomlashack/ If you resize the window the image will stay on top. I have played with z-index, overflow:hidden. I cant for the life of me get this to work. Anyone fancy jumping in and pointing out the obvious thing I am missing J ? Barrie North
Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions
I've been watching this thread as being utterly relevant to what I have been thinking a lot on. A lot I believe still browse at 800, and hating bottom scrollbars (seen wayyy too often, I have been looking for answers. AN excellent article (see his demo!) is the man in blue: http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/09/21/ Test the demo at different resolutions...one column text becomes 3 at 1024, one at 800, right menu left aligned etc... This is a very interesting and very relevant topic, no magic answers but I would love to see more solutions...including % margins etc to deal with high res without miles of text. I for one hate seeing narrow sites with yards of blank space, or the sometimes seen left aligned sites on the left even. So far I use fluid widths with the text eaxpanding to fit... Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions Stephen Stagg wrote: Slightly off-list but important all the same. I traditionally design sites to look good at 800x600 and best at 1024x768. Now, tho, it seems as if users visiting with resolutions of 800x600 are around the 1% margin... It is the viewport size that matters, the screen resolution is essentially irrelevant. It is an invalid assumption that everyone surfs with a maximised browser window; or even if it is, that it takes up all the space. The browser may also have a sidebar or anything else which can take up any amount of space. Personally, my screen resolution is 1280x1024, but my browser window is usually around 900x900 - I do not like a browser taking up my whole screen. In fact, that is even narrower than a maximised browser on 1024x768. dd a sidebar to that, which would be roughly 200px wide when open, that leaves less than 700px width for the web site to play with, which is almost half the width of my screen resolution. So please understand that any screen resolution statistics you find will be nothing short of completely useless. -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Background position
CSS rules state clearly background-position vertical and horizontal
settings.
I can get a backgound anyplace from center to far right, but cannot get it
any distance from the top???
Is there any reason a backgound would not position with any values to be
down a certain distance from the top?
body {color: #000 ; background: #FFF;
background:#FFF url(/business/images/mainbk.jpg);
background-position: 100px 150px;
font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 90%;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
Percentages nothin moves it down. Tried in another container and same, glued
to top???
http://www.quirksmode.org/css/backgroundposition.html
looks good but no work for me? weird...
Thanks
Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign Solutions
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Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
I gave up trying to do anything with Mambo. Expression Engine, Movable Type, and Wordpress are Standards based and simple and easy to configure, All three validate out of the box and don't require a two year course and beating your head on the desk to reconfigureafter several years of trying to use other systems I gave Mambo and all nuke related up as a lost cause. Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:15 AM Subject: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility Hi Guys, I have been asked to work on a web site and Mambo is the current CMS being used. They want to, if possible, keep Mambo as they're CMS but upon inspecting it I am surrounded by tables and poor markup. It does not even seem possible (Without hacking the source) to add ALT text to some images! Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the work is to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblily and hopefully web standards? Is there another CMS that you would mention which may suit my needs? Regards, Lloyd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
Woops, missed this: If Mambo can be configured easy, as some claim, why has there not been a ton of templates available long ago??? On different CMS type forums I see problems mambo related all the time... Nuff said ;-) Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:15 AM Subject: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility Hi Guys, I have been asked to work on a web site and Mambo is the current CMS being used. They want to, if possible, keep Mambo as they're CMS but upon inspecting it I am surrounded by tables and poor markup. It does not even seem possible (Without hacking the source) to add ALT text to some images! Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the work is to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblily and hopefully web standards? Is there another CMS that you would mention which may suit my needs? Regards, Lloyd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Margins and floats
Bert Doorn wrote:
G'day
Ended up, because content comes first, making the margin for the right
side
menu 67% left.
#content {float: left; width:65%;
margin-right: 15px; }
#links {padding-right:10px; margin-left: 67%}
This seemd odd to me but it works...any comments, is this ok?
Why not use % all the way (e.g on the padding)? That way you
won't have to worry about whether 15px is more, or less, than 2%
My initial post was the fact that I never thought of using a LEFT margin
from the menu for the main content. Maybe I was tired, but hadn't thought of
this, being so used to leaving a right margin for the menu when it was on
the right. So I spent over two hours trying to make the menu stay put
without success in both ie and firefox.
The menu left worked, surprised me, lol, but seemed strange to allow space
on the leftlearning here
Thanks all!!
Bruce Prochnau
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[WSG] Margins and floats
Hi all,
I have been trying to fix a simple 2 col layout for a client. Maybe I'm
tired but couldn't get it to resize in both ie and firefox without float
drop, menu is left side. Nothing worked including right margins.
Ended up, because content comes first, making the margin for the right side
menu 67% left.
#content {float: left; width:65%;
margin-right: 15px;
}
#links {padding-right:10px; margin-left: 67%}
This seemd odd to me but it works...any comments, is this ok?
Thanks
Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign Solutions
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Re: [WSG] my rounded corner box isn't displaying correctly in IE
Thanks for the tip,
I tried adding this for IE in the CSS:
* html #box{/*used for internet explorer*/
float:right;
width:25em;
background-color:#789;
margin:0;
padding:0;
}
but I still get the added stuff for my box:
http://www.inspired-evolution.com/Accessibility.php
anything else I can, or should try?
On 10/30/05, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Classic box model problem.Don't apply padding or margins (unless zero)to block level elements width a set width.
Use an additional div for padding and margins.Joe Taylorhttp://sitesbyjoe.com
[WSG] my rounded corner box isn't displaying correctly in IE
I have a rounded corner box I am using with four images and it displays fine in Mozilla... http://www.inspired-evolution.com/About_Me.php in IE, however, the right side of the box is flat. Can anyone offer some suggestions in getting this to look as intended in IE? the CSS is at : http://www.inspired-evolution.com/Gilbert.css thanks much in advance! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] hidden link to webstandards page 4 older browsers - how does it work
Attn: Paul Noone Hey Paul (or others), I noticed from the code sourceon the link you posted to have me look at your layout ( http://d81314.i50.quadrahosting.com.au/), that you have some text for a link to the standards page. this: div class=hide pThis site will look much better in a browser that supports a href="" href="http://www.webstandards.org/upgrade/">http://www.webstandards.org/upgrade/ title=Download a browser that complies with Web standards.web standards/a, but it is accessible to any browser or Internet device./p /div with display:none in your CSS for the hide class. I like this idea and wanted to implement somthing similar, but was wondering what was going on here since the text is beinghidden. Does this only show up for older browsers (eg: Netscape 4.0), and if so how is that being implemented? This would be great for me and perhaps others to learn about. thanks!!-- ::Bruce G:: www.inspired-evolution.com
[WSG] Trouble getting 3rd column to extend to footer
hello all,on a site I am working on (http://www.ncpersonalinjurylaw.com/php/Adams.php), my third column (the grey one) isn't extending down to the footer on its own. The third column is being called 'right_col' and the CSS specific to that column is:
#right_col {/*creates right column on page*/width:155px; padding:0 ;margin:0;background-color:#ccc;color:inherit;float:right;}* html div#right_col {/*creates right column on page, only IE sees this*/
width:150px; padding:0 ;margin:0;background-color:#ccc;color:inherit;float:right;}I know that that in itself doesn't tell you much so the full CSS can be located at:
http://www.ncpersonalinjurylaw.com/php/CSS/Global.cssI do want to point out that I was able to achieve equal columns using JS (the PVII equal columns technique), but I would prefer to get this working w/o JS. Also with the equal columns, things got messed up when I resized the text.
I have tried adding height :100% to the third columns div without success.Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciative.-- ::Bruce::
[WSG] Link behavior
Hi all, Hopefully there is an easy answer for this without overloading this with too much info. My links in my sidebar on a new main site I am doing are underlined. But the underline starts someplace in the middle of the link, not at the beginning.??? Has anyone seen this before and what could cause it? Even setting all my links are now set to underline and it does the same. Baffled Thanks in advance Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions
Re: [WSG] Link behavior
Bingo! Padding... Thanks to all who responded. Patrick's solution fixed it, but this is a case where bugs brought out errors that although it passed validation, the code was a mess, and all were right who answered. A combination of errors, or perhaps better term would be messy, from poor work habits and being in a rush Bruce Prochnau Patrick Lauke Wrote: Don't ask me why (though I suspect it's because a is an inline element, so applying padding to the top/bottom is creating some confusion), but the culprit seems to be the padding applied to #sidebar a Change padding: 3px 0px; to just padding: 0; and the underline works properly again. Patrick __ Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right!
Thank you Andreas, I had forgotten to read my newsletter from Jacob. As usual he hits the nails on the head. Another good article. And I thought I was normal...oh well. But that's only me 2 cents of course. Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions Andreas Boehmer said Somebody pointed out this article by our friend Jakob Nielsen to me: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/designmistakes.html Let's start with this little comment at the beginning: For this year's list of worst design mistakes, I decided to try something new: I asked readers of my newsletter to nominate the usability problems they found the most irritating. How useless is that?! People who subscribe to Jakob Nielsen's newsletter are *not* normal. They are people who show interest in Usability, people who have got an above average understanding of Website Structure and Web Standards. Just take the first two biggest mistakes: 1. Legebility (fixed font sizes, non-standard fonts) 2. Non - Standard Links (javascript, opening windows, ...) Sounds familiar? Of course - it's the kind of stuff Web Standards and Usability people love chit-chatting about all day long (including us here on the WSG list). But does it mean they are really the two biggest Usability problems around? I don't think so. Go onto the street and ask anybody who's not absolutely fanatic with Usability or Web Standards what they find is the biggest Usability problem. Will they answer Oooh, I am really annoyed that I cannot change the font-sizes in my Internet Explorer browser because the evil programmer has set it to a fixed font-size? No, of course they won't say that. Because it's not the biggest Usability issue in the world, even though Usability and Web Standards discussions might make you think that. If I went and asked my mom what is the biggest usability issue would she respond Oh, Andreas, I hate those javascript popup windows when I click links. They are sooo non-standard and really confusing. CRAP! Of course she won't, because it doesn't bother her as much. I am not saying these problems don't exist - of course they do. But I can guarantee you the public (our real users) would vote completely different on what bugs them about website usability than what subscribers to Jakob Nielsen newsletter do. Just shows how much value you can put into the content on useit.com. Well, just my two cents. Andreas. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] a better tsolution than oveflow:auto for Mozilla?
Hello,on a new site I am working on (http://www.fortuneinteractive.com/) inMozilla/FF. you get the horizontal and vertical scroll bars on some of the pagesand I know
the reason why. It is because I am overflow:auto on my content div. Iadded this after googling and finding this was a float clearingsolver.the content div has the following CSS:div#text_area{/*hiding from IE*/
background:url(bg_text_area.jpg) repeat-y;color:#333;text-align:left;border:0;padding-top:2em;margin:0;height:100%;overflow:auto;}If I don't have the overflow:auto in FF/moz the div doesn't extend
all the way to the footer like I want (the div in question is #text_area). Any suugestions on solving thisproblem in Mozilla, FF?
let me know if I need to provide additional information...full CSS:http://www.fortuneinteractive.com/main.css
-- ::Bruce::
Re: [WSG] a better tsolution than oveflow:auto for Mozilla?
Thanks Ted,
not sure I am understanding you correctly, though. Say you have a parent div you would to extend the length of your content, and within that parent div you have a div at the top that you want to not float, but fit the width of the parent, and below the top child div, you have two more twin dis, one floated left, and one right, each taking up about 50% or half of the parent div. What would be the solution for this? I don't think floating the parent would work in this case, unless I am misunderstanding you.
On 9/27/05, Drake, Ted C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Bruce
Try floating the content div instead. I've often found this to be the easiest fix. A floated parent will contain its floated children.
I've been writing a document for my fellow programmers about nested lists and if write parent/child one more time I think I'm going to change my name to Dr. Seuss.
Ted
From:
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On Behalf Of Bruce GilbertSent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:50 AMTo:
wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] a better tsolution than oveflow:auto for Mozilla?
Hello,on a new site I am working on (
http://www.fortuneinteractive.com/) inMozilla/FF. you get the horizontal and vertical scroll bars on some of the pagesand I know the reason why. It is because I am overflow:auto on my content div. Iadded this after googling and finding this was a float clearing
solver.the content div has the following CSS:div#text_area{/*hiding from IE*/ background:url(bg_text_area.jpg) repeat-y;color:#333;text-align:left;border:0;padding-top:2em;margin:0;
height:100%;overflow:auto;}If I don't have the overflow:auto in FF/moz the div doesn't extend all the way to the footer like I want (the div in question is #text_area). Any suugestions on solving this
problem in Mozilla, FF?
let me know if I need to provide additional information...full CSS:
http://www.fortuneinteractive.com/main.css -- ::Bruce:: -- ::Bruce::
Re: [WSG] a better tsolution than oveflow:auto for Mozilla?
that's more or less what I am doing, but
take a look at this page in FF
http://www.fortuneinteractive.com/About.htm
scroll bars are there, if I take out overflow:auto in CSS on div#text_area
it looks even worse cuz, in FF the div only extends as far as the #right_block_content on some pages.
my CSS for #right_block_content div is:
#right_content_block_index{/*used for vertical divider on home page*/float:right;width:35%;height:100%;padding-right:10px;
}
here is an example of a page which is messed up in ff w/o the overflow:auto
http://www.fortuneinteractive.com/Clients.htm
full CSShttp://www.fortuneinteractive.com/main.css
On 9/27/05, Drake, Ted C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
#wrap{float:left;}
#header {}
#maincontent {float:right; width:49%;}
#sidebar{float:left; width:49%}
#footer {clear:both;}
div id=wrap
div id=header/div
div id=maincontent/div
div id=sidebar/div
/div
div id=footer/div
Is this what you mean?
It's a very basic version of what you are describing. It works for me.
Normally, I float the parent for areas where I'm afraid clearing an element will also clear the sidebar. I haven't tried it for the whole page layout.
div id=gallery
dl
dtasdfa/dt
ddasdfasdF/dd
/dl
dl
dtasdfa/dt
ddasdfasdF/dd
/dl
dl
dtasdfa/dt
ddasdfasdF/dd
/dl
/div
#gallery {float:left; width:100%;}
#gallery dl {float:left; width:40%; margin:1em;}
Any feedback on this folks?
Ted
www.tdrake.net
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On Behalf Of Bruce GilbertSent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:55 PMTo:
wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] a better tsolution than oveflow:auto for Mozilla?
Thanks Ted,
not sure I am understanding you correctly, though. Say you have a parent div you would to extend the length of your content, and within that parent div you have a div at the top that you want to not float, but fit the width of the parent, and below the top child div, you have two more twin dis, one floated left, and one right, each taking up about 50% or half of the parent div. What would be the solution for this? I don't think floating the parent would work in this case, unless I am misunderstanding you.
On 9/27/05, Drake, Ted C.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Bruce
Try floating the content div instead. I've often found this to be the easiest fix. A floated parent will contain its floated children.
I've been writing a document for my fellow programmers about nested lists and if write parent/child one more time I think I'm going to change my name to Dr. Seuss.
Ted
-- ::Bruce::
Re: [WSG] IE Showing Transparent - FIXED (sort of)
I don't see any disharmony :-) Was simple and easy to resolve and all is well as far as I can see. Hopefully it won't get blown out of proportion. Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: Mani Sheriar To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: [WSG] IE Showing Transparent - FIXED (sort of) Again I am sorry for causing all this disharmony in the group. It was not my intention I acted without thinking as much as I should about it. I should have alerted you folks that there was questionable content. Anyway, if any of you are interested in the actual xhtml/css problem, this is my solution: I never could solve why IE was behaving that way BUT Since the problem is really only with the top buttons (those are the ones that are set against a grey background), I gave the paragraph that contains them a class of first (in addition to its class of btn) and then in the stylesheet gave p.btn.first a background of #e4e4e4 (light grey). Voila! Mani SheriarSheriar Designs | www.ManiSheriar.com
[WSG] please ignore prvs. msg.
msg. sent to wrong group, sorry bout that :-)
[WSG] 2night
R U going to try and get to the art museum right at 7:00Heard from anyone else who is going??-- ::Bruce::
Re: [WSG] IE Showing Transparent Corners of Images as White - Until You Scroll Away and Come Back!
Have we become reviewers of porn sites now?
Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign Solutions
- Original Message -
From: Mani Sheriar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 4:04 PM
Subject: [WSG] IE Showing Transparent Corners of Images as White - Until You
Scroll Away and Come Back!
Hi All,
Please look here: http://www.manisheriar.com/form/vr/category_medicinal.htm
to see an example of this problem.
The two buttons ('view site' and 'full review') have transparent corners.
But in IE (not FireFox, of course) the top corners initially show up as
white, until you scroll away from them and the scroll back.
But then, if you hover over them, the hovered images have the white corners
and then once you mouse out the white corners are back! (Until you scroll
away and come back again - then they are gone . again.)
Huh???
The html is this:
p class=btna href=# class=visitspanVisit Site/span/a a
href=# class=reviewspanFull Review/span/a/p
And the css is this:
#maincol p.btn {
float:right;
width:207px;
}
#maincol p.btn a {
display:block;
height:25px;
float:left;
}
#maincol p.btn a span {
display:none;
}
body.medicinal a.visit {
width:90px;
background:transparent
url(../images/general/buttons/medicinal/visitSiteBtn_off.gif);
margin-right:4px;
}
body.medicinal a.visit:hover {
background:transparent
url(../images/general/buttons/medicinal/visitSiteBtn_on.gif);
}
body.medicinal a.review {
width:113px;
background:transparent
url(../images/general/buttons/medicinal/reviewBtn_off.gif);
}
body.medicinal a.review:hover {
background:transparent
url(../images/general/buttons/medicinal/reviewBtn_on.gif);
}
Thanks in advance for any help!!
Mani Sheriar
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Re: [WSG] Flash elements
Best I ever have seen: http://blog.deconcept.com/flashobject/ Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions www.bkdesign.ca - Original Message - From: Jan Brasna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Flash elements http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/ufo/ -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] site not looking good in Mozilla/FF!
On 9/7/05, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
3. You don't need the content wrapper either. All you really need is: wrapper header [clear] left_col, top_bar [break] center_col, right_col,
[clear] footer close wrapper
by [clear] do you mean a clearing div?
eg:
.clearing{
clear:both;
}
div class=clearing/div
On 9/7/05, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yep, use photoshop to combine the left and right shadows and the blue column background in one image. Because you have a fixed width layout, they can be one background image.
cheers,Geoff.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
]On Behalf Of Bruce GilbertSent: Wednesday, 7 September 2005 11:38 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] site not looking good in Mozilla/FF!
thanks for the advice/suggestions. How do you add more than one background to a div? Or are you saying to combine the shadow and blue left column image in photoshop? Not quite understanding that, sorry. Also, what about the right shadow image?
thanks,On 9/7/05, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Bruce,It's not looking too good in IE either - enlarge the text and the content wraps below the left nav.
General advice: get it working on Firefox *first*, and then adjust to work on IE.Specific advice:1. Get rid of the wrapper divs - you only need the outer one.Put the background on the outer wrapper - you can include both shadows, the dark blue left column background, and the grey vertical line in the one background image. By putting all this in the wrapper background, it will extend to the whole length of the wrapper, and you won't need the Project 7 _javascript_ (which doesn't seem to be working for FF).
2. Give the header, the left column, and the footer a left-margin equal to the width of your left shadow.3. You don't need the content wrapper either. All you really need is:wrapperheader
[clear]left_col, top_bar [break]center_col, right_col,[clear]footerclose wrapper4. top_bar: right-align the text instead of using all that left padding.
hope this helps...cheers,--Geoff PackDeveloperABC New Media -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2005 2:05 PM To:
wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] site not looking good in Mozilla/FF! I tested the following site I am working on in Mozilla and it's not looking too good at the moment.
the URL is:http://www.semlogic.com/test/index.htm and the CSS is http://semlogic.com/test/CSS/Global.css
some of the issues are the left menu isn't displaying properly, the background image for the left column isn't displaying and the footer background isn't extending to the content. Also, the grey bar at the
top isn't looking right. Everthing validates, and it actually looks as expected in IE, but I know that these issues, are probably due to coding misjudgements, so if they could be pointed out, I would be greatly appreciative!
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[WSG] IE 5.0 fix assistance needed
Hello, on my personal site at http://www.inspired-evolution.com, there are a few issues I noticed when viewing in IE 5 PC. (1) the top graphic doesn't extend all the way to the right leaving a gap between the header and container. (2) top menu is all bunched together and floating to the left below my header, and my bottom menu is doing something similar. (3) the dark blue container background extendsbelow my grey footer background, which I do not want. eg: footer is notsticking tothe bottom like I intended. If anyone can offer assistance in these fixes, I would be greatly appreciative! URL: http://www.inspired-evolution.com CSS: http://www.inspired-evolution.com/Gilbert.css-- ::Bruce::
Re: [WSG] site not looking good in Mozilla/FF!
thanks for the advice/suggestions. How do you add more than one background to a div? Or are you saying to combine theshadow and blue left column imagein photoshop? Not quite understanding that, sorry. Also, what about the right shadow image? thanks, On 9/7/05, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce,It's not looking too good in IE either - enlarge the text and the content wraps below the left nav. General advice: get it working on Firefox *first*, and then adjust to work on IE.Specific advice:1. Get rid of the wrapper divs - you only need the outer one.Put the background on the outer wrapper - you can include both shadows, the dark blue left column background, and the grey vertical line in the one background image. By putting all this in the wrapper background, it will extend to the whole length of the wrapper, and you won't need the Project 7 _javascript_ (which doesn't seem to be working for FF). 2. Give the header, the left column, and the footer a left-margin equal to the width of your left shadow.3. You don't need the content wrapper either. All you really need is: wrapper header [clear] left_col, top_bar [break] center_col, right_col, [clear] footer close wrapper4. top_bar: right-align the text instead of using all that left padding. hope this helps...cheers,--Geoff PackDeveloperABC New Media -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2005 2:05 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] site not looking good in Mozilla/FF! I tested the following site I am working on in Mozilla and it's not looking too good at the moment. the URL is:http://www.semlogic.com/test/index.htm and the CSS is http://semlogic.com/test/CSS/Global.css some of the issues are the left menu isn't displaying properly, the background image for the left column isn't displaying and the footer background isn't extending to the content. Also, the grey bar at the top isn't looking right. Everthing validates, and it actually looks as expected in IE, but I know that these issues, are probably due to coding misjudgements, so if they could be pointed out, I would be greatly appreciative! -- ::Bruce:: ** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help ** **The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** -- ::Bruce::
[WSG] site not looking good in Mozilla/FF!
I tested the following site I am working on in Mozilla and it's not looking too good at the moment. the URL is: http://www.semlogic.com/test/index.htm and the CSS is http://semlogic.com/test/CSS/Global.css some of the issues are the left menu isn't displaying properly, the background image for the left column isn't displaying and the footer background isn't extending to the content. Also, the grey bar at the top isn't looking right. Everthing validates, and it actually looks as expected in IE, but I know that these issues, are probably due to coding misjudgements, so if they could be pointed out, I would be greatly appreciative! -- ::Bruce:: ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Press Release - Party Politics Exclude the Disabled
Title: Press Release - Party Politics Exclude the Disabled Party Politics Exclude the Disabled Political party websites discriminate against people with disabilities 26 August 2005 – A recent survey by W 3 A Limited of the accessibility of the big 6 political party home pages in NZ has revealed that all of them fail to provide even the basic facilities to make it easier for people with disabilities to access their sites. For the complete press release please visit: HYPERLINK http://www.w3a.co.nz/PartyPoliticsPressRelease.htmhttp://www.w3a.co.nz/PartyPoliticsPressRelease.htm Kind regards, Bruce Aylward W 3 A Limited HYPERLINK http://www.w3a.co.nzhttp://www.w3a.co.nz Mobile: +64 (0)27 224 3617 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: baylward_w3a -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/82 - Release Date: 25/08/2005
Re: [WSG] iCalendar Questions
Matt Hampel wrote: Does anyone have any good iCalendar resources to share? Other than hCal, I can't find many good iCal examples, let alone tutorials. I hope this is an appropriate question for the WSG -- if not, where else could I look for answers? Matt Hampel I would also be interested, a client contacted me yesterday about it. I haven't looked into fitting Web Standards or what it is based on yet. CSS? Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] tabbing through links
Tabbing of course happans automatically. However, on a three column layout I added a top hidden nav that showed on focus that linked to each column so the visitor could choose the column to tab down. Is this what you mean? If so, unless someone here has the info at hand I will have to look it up. Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:51:05 -0500, dwain alford wrote: i would like for visitors, with and without scripting enabled, to be able to tab through the links on the page. how would i accomplish this? i did a google and didn't have much luck. the only item i found, i didn't understand how to apply it. may i ask again for help with this matter? I'm not sure what you are asking for - they hit they tab key and they go to the next link? Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] tabbing through links
What I did was have a hidden menu at page top. When a user tabbed it showed up (onfocus), and gave a link to top of each column. I'm having trouble finding it now...but above gives the idea Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: dwain alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] tabbing through links Bruce wrote: Tabbing of course happans automatically. However, on a three column layout I added a top hidden nav that showed on focus that linked to each column so the visitor could choose the column to tab down. Is this what you mean? If so, unless someone here has the info at hand I will have to look it up. i had not thought of that. give me a clue and i'll try my hand at searching for it. if i have any problems, i'll be in touch. i love standards, it's so much fun! cheers, dwain -- Dwain Alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The Savior replied; There is no such thing as sin;... 'The Gospel of Mary of Magdala' ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] tabbing through links
I see what you mean, it is hard to find! I did a takeoff of this page using three links to top of each column: http://www.usability.com.au/resources/menus-links.cfm At top of page they have links that you can tab to, and then go to that part to tab down. #Skip to area navigation # Skip to content Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: dwain alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] tabbing through links Bruce wrote: Tabbing of course happans automatically. However, on a three column layout I added a top hidden nav that showed on focus that linked to each column so the visitor could choose the column to tab down. Is this what you mean? If so, unless someone here has the info at hand I will have to look it up. i had not thought of that. give me a clue and i'll try my hand at searching for it. if i have any problems, i'll be in touch. i love standards, it's so much fun! cheers, dwain -- Dwain Alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The Savior replied; There is no such thing as sin;... 'The Gospel of Mary of Magdala' ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] issues with trying to overlay background-images
Hello group.
On a page I am working on, I am trying to get a background image for a
search bar to overlap and appear in front of another background image.
I am not sure if this is even possible, but I am trying to do it using
z-index to no avail.
the page url is:http://www.semlogic.com/new_version/template.htm
and the relevent CSS is
#header {
margin:0;
padding:0;
width:780px;
height:142px;
background: url(../images/bkg_header.gif);
z-index:100;
}
#grey_bar{/*grey bar used below logo header*/
background:#c1c1c1 url(../images/search_bkg.gif) top right no-repeat;
width:100%;
height:auto;
z-index:1;
}
the grey bar has a background positioned right which is the background
for the search bar and I want that to extend beyond (above) the
boundaries of the grey_bar div and appear in front of the image in the
header div.
hope this makes a little bit of sense.
the full css is at :
http://www.semlogic.com/new_version/css/style.css
any suggestions for accomplishing this is greatly appreciated!
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Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy
Myself I would say when possible have an alternate txt or html file. I strongly discourage pdf on websites unless it is a zip file for download. As stated by Damian they are annoying for users with modems, and I find them annoying at all times. Keep pdf's for printing and inter office. Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: Damian Sweeney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy Hi Ted, I would say let the user decide. Wherever possible I try to provide enough information in the link itself so that the user knows what to expect and can proceed as they wish. Many people will set up their browser to deal with different file types according to their preference (open the document in the browser, open it in the application, download the file). Opening in a new window removes user choice. By providing a plain link you give users the option that you use of `right-click - open in new window`. How do I choose to open a new-window-link in the current window if that is my preference? The only time I open links (to web pages) in a new window is when I have to place a link inside someone else's frame and I warn the user that I'm doing it. I wouldn't use a new window for the downloadable documents you are referring to. Unexpected pdfs are annoying, especially for low-bandwidth users. So, I would recommend something like: a href=document.pdfSome stuff (pdf format, 200kb)/a Include all the info in the link, if you can, for people who only read the links. Cheers, Damian Hi All We've had a discussion at work about pdf documents and hijacking the user's browser / making it more user-friendly. What is the general feeling towards having pdf and other non-html documents open in a new window? -- Damian Sweeney Learning Skills Adviser (online) Language and Learning Skills Unit Instructional Designer, AIRport Project Equity, Language and Learning Programs University of Melbourne 723 Swanston St Parkville 3010 www.services.unimelb.edu.au/ellp/ www.services.unimelb.edu.au/llsu/ airport.unimelb.edu.au/ ph 03 8344 9370, fax 03 9349 1039 This email and any attachments may contain personal information or information that is otherwise confidential or the subject of copyright. Any unauthorised use, disclosure or copying of any part of it is prohibited. The University does not warrant that this email or any attachments are free from viruses or defects. Please check any attachments for viruses and defects before opening them. If this email is received in error please delete it and notify us by return email or by phoning (03) 8344 9370. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] getting ie 6 PC to behave with padding, margins and h1 within a div
I have a div bar, which I am trying to make the height narrower, but
in IE PC , it doesn't want to cooperate unless I add a specific height
to the div, but then my h1, appears at the top of the div, so I try
adding some padding or margin to the h1 which expans the height of the
div which it contains and I DONT want that.
here is the page:http://www.wealthdevelopmentmortgage.com/Bruce/index.htm
I am referring to the green bar with the h1 'home'
CSS in question:
* html div#page_title_bar{/*for IE to make bar thinner*/
background-color:#9bb58f;
padding:0;
margin:0;
border-top:1px solid #363;
border-bottom:1px solid #363;
height:15px;
}
* html div#page_title_bar h1{/*for IE again*/
margin-top:.25em;
}
anything I can do here?
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[WSG] footer at bottom of page
I was hoping someone could look at this page http://www.wealthdevelopmentmortgage.com/Bruce/Company.htm and help me with getting the footer at the absolute bottom of the page. Right now, as I look at in in FF PC, there is some of the body which shows below it. The body is green and the footer is white. the CSS is at : http://www.wealthdevelopmentmortgage.com/Bruce/WDM.css thx! -- ::Bruce:: ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] browser v.5 woes
I just checked a site I am working on in both PC and Mac v. 5.0 and the page is looking pretty crappy in those browsers. I am most interested in getting things looiking better in IE PC 5.0. The main probs are top menu scrunched together with side borders and h1 title page div not enough padding . Any hacks I can apply specifically to the 5's is greatly appreciative. URL: http://www.wealthdevelopmentmortgage.com/Bruce/Company.htm CSS:http://www.wealthdevelopmentmortgage.com/Bruce/WDM.css -- ::Bruce:: ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Logic?
Thanks Prabhath; All I know is that what Prabhath said worked perfectly for me for this. I almost never make fixed width layouts, just a personal preference is all. Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Logic? Please forgive me if I've missed something, but I must respectfully disagree. I've created a number of fixed-width layouts centered within the viewport at 760px, and floated one-column left and the other column right inside a container div without issue. Again, if I've misunderstood the issue and answer my apologies. Kind regards, Mario The border cuts off at bottom of menu, not bottom of content. That don't make sense. Makes a lot of sense. Floated elements don't take up any space in the container (i.e. the container will not contain them). There are several ways to get it working, but this is probably one of the best: http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html Prabhath http://nidahas.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Logic?
I am testing a rather simple layout, to keep things short I simplified it, hopefully not too much: I added a 1px border to a wrapper tag--container. Inside this is float left and a right menu. left is content, right is menu. The border cuts off at bottom of menu, not bottom of content. That don't make sense. div id="container" div id="center" some text, main articles etc /div div id="side" Menu /div /div Why don't the border stay with the container tag? I tried height:100%; in stylesheet, worked in ie but not firefox. What am I missing? Thanks in advance Bruce Prochnau BKDesign SOlutions
[WSG] Flash and Standards
Hi all, I'm sure this has been covered someplace, but when actually running into it on a busy schedule...you know the rest. A simple flash button for audio, from wimpy. Validator says: There is no attribute for: embed src=""> Nor for: quality, name, width, height, pluginsPage, and of course "embed" is undefined. At about this point one has a tendency to throw out webstandards completely or the demo. Several hours of fiddling with this didn't help. Not to blame webstandards for my lack of knowledge, but...sheesh. Any ideas besides taking a 2 month long course? Does Macromedia have a place to make their code work with Valid CSS? Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions
