Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?
Ok, I'll take another weeks vacation at Moose Jaw then. Btw, is my vacation there fully transferable? ;-) -- Steven Montgomery At 08:36 PM 11/14/2002, you wrote: You are right and I am wrong (except on one minor point)-- on re-reading it, I see he bases his calculation on the Julian calendar, not the Gregorian calendar, which is what I assumed (since his conclusions are expressed in terms of the Gregorian calendar.: Here's a link that explains this in much more detail: http://www.stjohndc.org/what/9609ca1.htm // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] 7 Nukes in US Cities
At 16:55 11/14/2002 -0900, BLT referenced an article: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/DK15Aa01.html Seven Nukes in US Cities al-Qaedo Warns THE ROVING EYE Apocalypse Now, or Alottanukes Soon By Pepe Escobar Got the following when I went to check the link: Article withdrawn. This article was based on an interview that appears to have been a hoax. For more information, please click on the link Till the ever watchful who still needs to attend to a few more preparedness tasks anyway -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] 7 Nukes in US Cities
The journalist in me insists that an article as significant as this one requires some independent verification. This is ever more hard to do, but still possible, and the best place to start is with the source of the original information, which usually gives clues to its validity. Look at the title and author of the article: THE ROVING EYE Apocalypse Now, or Alottanukes Soon By Pepe Escobar Alottanukes Soon is not the sort of title I would expect to see in a professional magazine or journal. It is the sort of title I would expect my friends to make up when joking around on a weekend evening. This, in and of itself, of course does not make the article untrue. It is just a flag. Here is a better flag: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/DK15Aa01.html Asia Times Front Page Article withdrawn. This article was based on an interview that appears to have been a hoax. For more information, please click on the link http://antivirus.about.com/library/hoaxes/bljazeera.htm Asia Times Online 6306 The Center Queens Road, Central Hong Kong My next step would have been to verify whether or not this is a legitimate publication: ... the prestigious Arab-language daily Al Quds Al Arabi, edited in London, but it was not printed. An article such as this one would most certainly have been printed if it could have been verified. I did not bother to check to see if Al Quds Al Arabi is real or not. And to have printed this disclaimer Asia Times Online has obtained a copy of the interview, and reproduces excerpts here, with the caveat that the identity of the man has not yet been confirmed, nor has his membership within al-Qaeda. is irresponsible journalism, IMO. A reputable publisher would have insisted on some form of confirmation. Finally, a search of the internet will show there are several different variations of this interview out there, similar in substance and differing in detail. It's the details that are important and that give the best clues. Larry Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] 7 Nukes in US Cities
After much pondering, Larry Jackson favored us with: Alottanukes Soon is not the sort of title I would expect to see in a professional magazine or journal. It is the sort of title I would expect my friends to make up when joking around on a weekend evening. This, in and of itself, of course does not make the article untrue. It is just a flag. I completely missed the Alottnukes Soon in the byline. I am embarrassed that I passed on a hoax. I don't do that very often. Normally, I consider World Net Daily to be a pretty reliable source of information, keeping in mind that I don't think that any sources of information are reliable. How do you like that for a contradiction? Anyway, sorry I posted something fraudulent to the list. How embarrasing. I hope that World Net Daily is embarrassed too. Your friend and brother, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] 7 Nukes in US Cities
At 07:24 11/15/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: After much pondering, Larry Jackson favored us with: Alottanukes Soon is not the sort of title I would expect to see in a professional magazine or journal. It is the sort of title I would expect my friends to make up when joking around on a weekend evening. This, in and of itself, of course does not make the article untrue. It is just a flag. I completely missed the Alottnukes Soon in the byline. I am embarrassed that I passed on a hoax. I don't do that very often. Normally, I consider World Net Daily to be a pretty reliable source of information, keeping in mind that I don't think that any sources of information are reliable. How do you like that for a contradiction? Anyway, sorry I posted something fraudulent to the list. How embarrasing. I hope that World Net Daily is embarrassed too. Actually, John, I was grateful for the opportunity to read it. There was much in there that rings true. His criticisms of the western economy are valid, none-the-less. There are things in there that should give us all pause to reflect on our own values and where we stand. For that, it was a useful tool. For we all know the prophesies that must come to pass, and these are certainly plausible scenarios (scenarii?) Responding on a personal level as though it were a real danger is not a bad thing to do. Restocking the larder, checking those water supplies one more time, knowing how to make this or that.. they're all good exercises to occupy our time. ELF // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Truman the Villain
JWR confessed: I've got to stop this. It's killing me. It would be a good idea to take a political break. It kills me too. I just can't handle too much of it. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?
Steven Montgomery wrote: Ok, I'll take another weeks vacation at Moose Jaw then. Btw, is my vacation there fully transferable? ;-) Sure. To Bawlf, Alberta, in the middle of the Palliser Triangle (a semi-desert). I'd stick with Moose Jaw if I were you... -- Steven Montgomery At 08:36 PM 11/14/2002, you wrote: You are right and I am wrong (except on one minor point)-- on re-reading it, I see he bases his calculation on the Julian calendar, not the Gregorian calendar, which is what I assumed (since his conclusions are expressed in terms of the Gregorian calendar.: Here's a link that explains this in much more detail: http://www.stjohndc.org/what/9609ca1.htm // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] Hogwarts and all
A good, and funny, review of the latest Harry Potter (or is that Tracy Grotter?) movie: http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021115/RVHARR/Arts/thearts/theartsFilmHeadline_temp/2/2/9/ -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] History and Hollywood
What happens when Hollywood plays footloose and fancy free with the facts of history that don't fit into their idea of a good plot? http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021115/RVHIST/Arts/thearts/theartsFilmHeadline_temp/1/1/9/ -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] Bomb Canada?
Jonah Goldberg explains his column last week on bombing Canada. Although I don't think they deserve to be bombed, I do agree with some of the points he makes in this week's column. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/jg20021115.shtml K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Evolution's missing link
Here is the evolution of Michael Jackson's face http://anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Daily Utah Chronicle
The following URL is sure to excite some controversy. Apparently a fellow mormon and U of U student, Daniel Thatcher, has written a piece in the Daily Utah Chronicle, which is highly critical of the lopsidedness which exists in Utah politics. Among other things he mentions the Marlin Jensen article, President Benson's statement that it is impossible to be a democrat (Thatcher leaves out the liberal part of Benson's quote) and a good member at the same time, a piece by liberal propagandist Paul Rolly of the Salt Lake Tribune wherein Rolly claims that Republicans are further from actual LDS positions that the democrats are, occasionally interspersed with selective scriptures, etc. Here is the URL, what do you think? http://www.dailyutahchronicle.com/news/325065.html?mkey=559711 Of course, I should mention that Thatcher also recently published a piece in the same paper entitled, Confessions of a Mormon Socialist. http://www.dailyutahchronicle.com/news/292850.html -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic private virtue against which American politicians continue to be measured - and found wanting - even today. --Steven W. Mosher // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Privatizing the feds
Neal Boortz (Libertarian talk radio host) wrote today: On Monday the Federal Register will publish a plan by President Bush to allow private companies to compete with federal workers for contracts to provide government services. This is easily one of the boldest policy moves in my memory. This is bigger than his tax cuts, bigger than his Department of Homeland Security. The goal here is to put 850,000 federal jobs up for bids to the private sector. According to the Bush administration, the taxpayers of this country should save about 30% on each successfully bid contract. === This is good. I'd like to see many of the processes privatized. If we can save even 20 percent, imagine the cost savings in taxes for us K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?
At 01:27 PM 11/15/2002, you wrote: Steven Montgomery wrote: Ok, I'll take another weeks vacation at Moose Jaw then. Btw, is my vacation there fully transferable? ;-) Sure. To Bawlf, Alberta, in the middle of the Palliser Triangle (a semi-desert). I'd stick with Moose Jaw if I were you... Shucks. I was hoping to unload it on our local tradio. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic private virtue against which American politicians continue to be measured - and found wanting - even today. --Steven W. Mosher // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] China
China early on gave stuff to India, but hasn't for about 20 years. Instead, they now tend to be with Pakistan on issues, and have given much technology to Pakistan. China views it as part of their regional balance of power. They keep Pakistan and India on each other, so neither will cause problems with China. However, if ever there were a war between Pakistan and India, China would quickly jump in on Pakistan's side. The USA would have to defend the democracy in India. This gives both China and us an incentive to keep the two kids in that area from going to war, as it would probably pull us both in. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe JWR: This seems to contradict the information that Gary is providing. He says that China doesn't share technology with India because they don't like India, but that it has provided technology to Pakistan. I have read that China provided complete delivery systems to Pakistan, in violation of nonproliferation treaties that China was a signatory to, even as the USA was extending PNTR (Permanent Normal Trade Relations) to them. Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Truman the villain
No, the burden of proof isn't on anyone. The burden was on Truman and his DoD Chiefs of Staff. They had to look at it from their day. As far as they could see, Stalin had begun implementing 5 year plans, had built the bomb, had MIGs and tanks they were giving to the North Koreans, and was intent on Lenin's world wide revolution. Truman and his chiefs saw this as just one more step toward a communist/socialist global encroachment. The intelligence we had in that day suggested the Russians were equal to us in military capability and nuclear armament (yes, even that soon after WWII). Remember, only a few years more and Russia would succeed in sending the first satellites (read: ICBM and spying) into space. Yes, their people were starving, but the military machine looked very strong from the USA's viewpoint. China and Russia were close allies at that time, and had agreements to defend one another. Only in the 1970s would they break, giving the USA the opportunity to make treaties with China and change the balance of power somewhat. At this time, Mao hadn't killed/slaughtered millions of his own (at least not to our knowledge). Mao had barely taken China in 1949, and his millions of potential soldiers were on par with our military in 1950, when our technology was not very advanced. In reality, we could have quickly finished the Korean war when the North Koreans first invaded. We had troops waiting for them NK army in one of the few valleys they could go through to Seoul. When they approached, our artillery fired, only to have the old WWI shells bounce harmlessly off the NK vehicles. The NK successfully pushed us back to the Chosun Reservoir (with Chinese help), before we were able to bring in more capable and modern equipment. As for us entering WWII earlier, we should have. Hitler invaded other nations and was doing atrocities outside his own nation. Mao did his slaughtering within his own country. Yes, it is a tragedy, but a nation must handle its own problems. However, when one nation invades another and then slaughters their people, it is up to the league of nations to step in and stop the atrocities. As for defending a Democrat-- I grew up in a family of Democrats. However, my family turned Republican with Reagan. My parents tended to vote Democrat, but primarily for the person with character. They hated LBJ, voted for Nixon, only to be disgusted with him, and passing around petitions to impeach Ford for pardoning Nixon. My Mom was proud she voted for Hubert H Humphrey. Back then, there were some good Democrats (not all, of course) who truly cared for the nation and its people. Today, I think the party has lost its way, seeking more to stay in power than to help the people. I admire Truman, even though I do not fully agree with all he did. He made some tough decisions, rather than worrying about the popular choice, he made what he thought was the right one. It wasn't easy to drop the Bomb. It wasn't easy for him to fire MacArthur. But he did what was needed. As the sign on his desk said, the buck stops here. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe JWR: The burden of proof is on those who claim that Russia would have entered the war and nuked the USA. I don't believe either contention. Mao went on to kill up to 75 million Chinese to consolidate his power over the new communist regime in China. Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Canadian jokes and population
I figured you would enjoy 'em. I find that the Canadians without a sense of humor tend to live further east... and speak French K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Mark Gregson: (BTW, Gary, I'm laughing with your jokes here, so this wasn't an angry outburst against this statement of yours. I just found it an opportune moment to go off on a tangent.) = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Invade Canada (was truman the villain
One of my favorite comics is Pearls Before Swine. One of the main characters is Rat, who is often found working unseemly plots and ploys. Anyway, he suggests we attack Mexico because it is close by. How would we do it? We would have our young teenage tourists at Cancun for spring break invade Mexico City by telling them they can get tacos there In another comic, a newspaper reporter asks him if he advocates also invading Canada. Rat says, No I don't. We've already got that one. The reporter says that we don't, we just play hockey together. Rat asks, How are their tacos? In other words, We won't invade Canada until they get a decent Taco stand up there BTW, in your statement below, are you suggesting that Canada is a rogue state K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Marc: You mean Congress isn't doing its duty if it isn't always declaring war on someone? No wonder they want to invade Canuckistan now -- there are no other rogue states left. Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Evolution's missing link
-Gary- Here is the evolution of Michael Jackson's face http://anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html This is one of the saddest things I've ever seen. I'm not even a fan, and I feel terrible for him. The gospel could heal this man, but I doubt anything else could. How nightmarish his life must be, to willingly submit to such mutilation. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Bomb Canada?
The only thing I agree with is that his name now has undeserved recognition value in Canada. Why we are so thin-skinned that we care what people out in the fringe of the disempowered think is beyond me. We must really have an inferiority complex. Gary Smith wrote: Jonah Goldberg explains his column last week on bombing Canada. Although I don't think they deserve to be bombed, I do agree with some of the points he makes in this week's column. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/jg20021115.shtml K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Daily Utah Chronicle
It's the moustache that gives it away. Steven Montgomery wrote: The following URL is sure to excite some controversy. Apparently a fellow mormon and U of U student, Daniel Thatcher, has written a piece in the Daily Utah Chronicle, which is highly critical of the lopsidedness which exists in Utah politics. Among other things he mentions the Marlin Jensen article, President Benson's statement that it is impossible to be a democrat (Thatcher leaves out the liberal part of Benson's quote) and a good member at the same time, a piece by liberal propagandist Paul Rolly of the Salt Lake Tribune wherein Rolly claims that Republicans are further from actual LDS positions that the democrats are, occasionally interspersed with selective scriptures, etc. Here is the URL, what do you think? http://www.dailyutahchronicle.com/news/325065.html?mkey=559711 Of course, I should mention that Thatcher also recently published a piece in the same paper entitled, Confessions of a Mormon Socialist. http://www.dailyutahchronicle.com/news/292850.html -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic private virtue against which American politicians continue to be measured - and found wanting - even today. --Steven W. Mosher // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Privatizing the feds
Except that what often happens is that the only people who can do the jobs that are privatized are the civil servants themselves. So they get laid off, picked up at a fraction of the salary (and no benefits) by service companies and go back to work for the government as contract employees. The service company skims off a measly 100% management fee, and the government actually ends up paying more in the end. But I wish 'em well -- maybe they'll find another way around this. Gary Smith wrote: Neal Boortz (Libertarian talk radio host) wrote today: On Monday the Federal Register will publish a plan by President Bush to allow private companies to compete with federal workers for contracts to provide government services. This is easily one of the boldest policy moves in my memory. This is bigger than his tax cuts, bigger than his Department of Homeland Security. The goal here is to put 850,000 federal jobs up for bids to the private sector. According to the Bush administration, the taxpayers of this country should save about 30% on each successfully bid contract. === This is good. I'd like to see many of the processes privatized. If we can save even 20 percent, imagine the cost savings in taxes for us K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Canadian jokes and population
Well, you have to know French to tell a French joke, after all. Gary Smith wrote: I figured you would enjoy 'em. I find that the Canadians without a sense of humor tend to live further east... and speak French K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Mark Gregson: (BTW, Gary, I'm laughing with your jokes here, so this wasn't an angry outburst against this statement of yours. I just found it an opportune moment to go off on a tangent.) = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] Re: [ZION] The Pohémégamook Affair continues
Hence the need to kill the current INS. It has been a gov't boondoggle travesty for decades. But be careful! These folks are part of a Union! This story has been repeated in other forms thousands of times. it is very good to bring these to light and finally get people mad enough to perhaps maybe do something. Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Michel Jalbert, the francophone jailed for doing what the INS said was perfectly legal in a 1991 letter, was released on bail yesterday, as I reported, but it turns out that before he could leave Bangor, he was arrested again by INS officials. On what grounds? For being in the country illegally, even though it's for that charge (amongst others) that he is to be tried for in January, and for which trial he was granted bail. This case is getting stranger and stranger all the time. He doesn't get the bail money back, either, so he's in jail, and out the bail money. There's something that smacks of double jeopardy -- even triple jeopardy here. Never mind an obscure logger from a town no one's ever heard of before (even in Quebec) -- just think of what this could mean if your new Homeland Security ministry acts this way towards US citizens. Yeah, okay, I'm scare-mongering, but so be it. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] 7 Nukes in US Cities
John Redelfs: I completely missed the Alottnukes Soon in the byline. I am embarrassed that I passed on a hoax. I don't do that very often. Normally, I consider World Net Daily to be a pretty reliable source of information, ... ___ To be honest, I went straight to the story and missed it as well. It was only when I went back that I noticed it. I gather that World Net Daily links to the Asia Times? Is there a relationship there, or did WND just get caught in the Asia Times blunder because they link to them? And I give credit to Asia Times for leaving the page active with an explanation of what happened, rather than just killing it as many online services do. Larry Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Daily Utah Chronicle
The first article misstates the Republican party platform, and the second article ignores the fact that socialism denies moral agency, and so is about as anti-Mormon as you can get - the end does not and cannot justify the means. Rather, the means dictate the end. Greed, force and fraud are the natural-man results of political action. Taking greed, force and fraud out of the political scene should be what all good members of the Church should be about. They can do this as Republicans or Democrats or Greens or Blues or whatever. However, embracing a political dogma such as socialism which by it's very definition violates the Prime Directive of the Plan of Happiness (moral agency) is a non-starter. I am currently a Republican because I feel that I can better move things in the proper direction from that political stand. YMMV. Jon Steven Montgomery wrote: The following URL is sure to excite some controversy. Apparently a fellow mormon and U of U student, Daniel Thatcher, has written a piece in the Daily Utah Chronicle, which is highly critical of the lopsidedness which exists in Utah politics. Among other things he mentions the Marlin Jensen article, President Benson's statement that it is impossible to be a democrat (Thatcher leaves out the liberal part of Benson's quote) and a good member at the same time, a piece by liberal propagandist Paul Rolly of the Salt Lake Tribune wherein Rolly claims that Republicans are further from actual LDS positions that the democrats are, occasionally interspersed with selective scriptures, etc. Here is the URL, what do you think? http://www.dailyutahchronicle.com/news/325065.html?mkey=559711 Of course, I should mention that Thatcher also recently published a piece in the same paper entitled, Confessions of a Mormon Socialist. http://www.dailyutahchronicle.com/news/292850.html // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] FW: 7 nukes in U.S.,warns al-Qaida
What do you make of the following? Clifford M Dubery WorldNetDaily.com ^ | WorldNetDaily 7 nukes in U.S., warns al-Qaida Man claiming to be top bin Laden operative threatens to kill millions, destroy economy Posted: November 14, 2002 9:20 p.m. Eastern © 2002 WorldNetDaily.com Terrorists have placed seven nuclear bombs in as many U.S. cities and will soon detonate them, causing millions of casualties, massive panic and destroying the world's biggest economy, warns a top al-Qaida operative in an interview with Al-Jazeera television in Qatar. While much of the world's attention has been riveted on Al-Jazeera's broadcast of an audiotape apparently made by Osama bin Laden, this more specific threat aired on the station has received scant media coverage. The spectacular threats were made by a man claiming to be Mohammed al-Usuquf, reputedly al-Qaida's No. 3 operative. Al-Usuquf is said to be a doctor in physics who holds a master's degree in international economics. A copy of the interview was sent to the prestigious Arab-language daily Al Quds Al Arabi, edited in London, but it was not printed. Parts of the interview were published by Asia Times, which could confirm neither the identity of the man nor his membership in al-Qaida. Al-Usuquf says al-Qaida's Kuwaiti spokesman, Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, and bin Laden himself, suggested that he grant the interview. Bin Laden, he says, is alive and healthy, along with his commanders Mohammed Atef, Khalid Shaik Mohammed and Mullah Omar. While Al-Usuquf begins the interview by criticizing Washington for its positions on the Kyoto Protocol on climatic change, the International Criminal Court, the Palestinian cause and for its financial greed, he concludes by saying America must be destroyed. Aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines and spy satellites will be worthless in the next war, he says. Al-Qaida has 5,000 first-rank operatives and around 20,000 others all over the world. We have more than 500 first-rank and 800 second-rank [operatives] inside the U.S., he says. He explains that first rank means they have lived in the U.S. for more than 10 years, most of them married with children. They have an idea about the plans, and they are just waiting for a call. Second-rank operatives arrived in the past five years and have no idea about the plans, he says. All are willing to die for the cause, he says. Sept. 11 was just the beginning, says al-Usuquf. It was a way to call the world's attention to what's going to happen. He details a plan to destroy the U.S. by attacking the heart of what they (Americans) consider the most important thing in the world -money. This economic cataclysm will be prompted, he says, by destroying America's seven largest cities and some other measures with atomic bombs. The bombs won't be launched, he says. They are already there. Seven nuclear heads have already been positioned on American soil, before Sept. 11, and they are ready to be detonated. Before Sept. 11, American security was a fiasco, and even later, if we needed, we could position the bombs there. They arrived through seaports as normal cargo. A nuclear head is not bigger than a fridge, so it can easily be camouflaged as one. Thousands of containers arrive at a seaport every day, and even with very efficient security, it's impossible to check and examine each one of them. Al-Usuquf says the bombs were bought on the black market - five from the former USSR and two from Pakistan. The five Russian heads are from T-3 missiles, also known as RD-107, and their power is around 100 kilotons each. That is five times the Hiroshima bomb. The Pakistani ones are less powerful, something around 10 kilotons each. Each of the Russian bombs would have cost around $200 million, claims Al-Ususquf. Al-Qaida was able to raise the money because we have many sponsors. Many countries sponsor us, and also some very rich people. Not all of the sponsoring nations are Arab countries, he says. Some European countries as well are interested in the fall of the U.S. As to the rich people, they are people who are also tired of seeing the U.S. bleeding the rest of the world. Iraq's Saddam Hussein, says Al-Usuquf, is not one of these people, but just a collaborator, represented by Abdul Tawab Hawaish, his vice prime minister and responsible for Iraq's arms program. Al-Usuquf says that the bombs cannot be detected by U.S. authorities. Even if they are old, they were modernized and are very well hidden, he told Al-Jazeera. Even if they were located, they have auto-detonation mechanisms in case something or someone gets close. Even an electromagnetic pulse is not capable of deactivating them. The bombs allegedly cannot be detected because they are enveloped in thick layers of lead. They could be detonated by various methods -cellphone call, radio frequency, seismic shock or by their regressive clock. Al-Usuquf details the whole plan in the Al-Jazeera interview. First, one head would be detonated, which would cause the
Re: [ZION] Quebec man detained for buying gas in Maine
Marc A. Schindler wrote: We could call it the Ketchikan Duty Free Zone, like they have in the U.A.E. JWR - what do you think of this? is it a good idea? If so, I could try to get it on the North Carolina Republican Party platform. :-) [SNIP] Where there's a genuine cloud on the horizon is the Northwest Passage, which has been too ice-choked to be considered as a serious alternative to the Panama Canal. However, with global warming breaking up the ice pack, the NWP is ice-free for longer and longer periods each year. Soon it will be completely navigable. And we're not sure we want a Valdez sailing through our waters (again, the US considers it an international passageway). Oil tankers from Aberdeen and Bergen could get to San Francisco, Seattle, Vancouver and Los Angeles faster through the NWP than they can through the Panama Canal. One compromise that has been proposed is that every ship register with Ottawa, and be escorted through the Passage by a Canadian coast guard vessel (this was concept-tested a few years ago with the MS Manhattan, being led by an RCMP patrol and icebreaker ship.) What cloud? This is sew kewl! The Chinese just wasted quite a lot of time and money grabbing up the Panama Canal! Fooled them, didn't we? And this will provide many, many jobs for the Canadians, what with all the escort services they will have to provide. (I hope this escort service doesn't degenerate into the filth that other escort services have fallen to :-) Jon // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION]Re: [ZION] The Pohémégamook Affaircontinues
It's funny, though. When I was a salesman I used to get hassled a lot at the US border. Once I was delayed for 2 hours at Niagara Falls. I won't get into the details, it was just pure egotism on the part of one particular officer and not at all typical of the politeness that is the norm, in my experience. But I did get questioned a lot. Even my son, when he went to Provo to the MTC, had to get a special visa and he had all the paperwork, which Salt Lake had sent him, and it was only supposed to take 15 minutes. But because he was eventually going to Russia, it took an hour and he had to run to catch his plane. But as a provincial civil servant, I have *never* been stopped. Always just a few perfunctory questions, a smile, and I'm on my way. Jon Spencer wrote: Hence the need to kill the current INS. It has been a gov't boondoggle travesty for decades. But be careful! These folks are part of a Union! This story has been repeated in other forms thousands of times. it is very good to bring these to light and finally get people mad enough to perhaps maybe do something. Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Michel Jalbert, the francophone jailed for doing what the INS said was perfectly legal in a 1991 letter, was released on bail yesterday, as I reported, but it turns out that before he could leave Bangor, he was arrested again by INS officials. On what grounds? For being in the country illegally, even though it's for that charge (amongst others) that he is to be tried for in January, and for which trial he was granted bail. This case is getting stranger and stranger all the time. He doesn't get the bail money back, either, so he's in jail, and out the bail money. There's something that smacks of double jeopardy -- even triple jeopardy here. Never mind an obscure logger from a town no one's ever heard of before (even in Quebec) -- just think of what this could mean if your new Homeland Security ministry acts this way towards US citizens. Yeah, okay, I'm scare-mongering, but so be it. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Magnetic Personality
Both US and Canadian systems have their weaknesses and their strengths. It's kind of like what the Lutheran bishop said on that video that was shown between sessions of conference. To be fair you have to compare best with best. Our waiting lists are indeed longer, but they tend to be longer for patients who really don't need to be at the front of the line. I can assure you, if I fall down the stairs tonight and develop symptoms of a subdural haematoma again (as happened to me several months ago), within an hour I'll be inside an MRI -- and I live 35 km from downtown Edmonton. One problem is calling it a Canadian system, which is misleading, as the provinces actually administer it, and Alberta has been especially pioneering at trying blending some private elements into the system. The provinces have tremendous purchasing clout, because of their size, so they can keep costs down, and the administrative costs of billing, accounts receivable, an dealing with HMOs is completely eliminated from a doctor's practice. Our system also means that everyone gets treatment, and reasonably good treatment at that. I've been a patient in both countries -- in the U.S. it was the Kaiser Permamente Hospital in Vallejo, CA, which is supposed to be part of one of the earliest and best HMOs, but the quality of care was terrible. They misdiagnosed migraine as a psychosis (because I reported seeing an aura, and the doctor said, and so help me this is the truth, whoa there, I don't get into these mental things. We'll have to get you to psychiatry for that. The second time they misdiagnosed lactose intolerance as a duodenal ulcer. When I brought the x-rays back to Calgary when I moved back in Grade XII, my family doctor said there was absolutely no sign of any ulceration anywhere. To be fair, lactose intolerance was not well known in the 70s, but they didn't even do an allergy test. I could tell horror stories that I've heard, too, but enough of that. That, like all stories, is an anecdote, to be sure. And as you say, your verstage may vary. In any case, I found it odd that the person who made the claim that was out by 2 orders of magnitude was himself a Canadian who moved to Utah because his Utah-born wife missed it. Even he had somehow bought into the myth of under-equippage. Just one final item: remember when I wrote how primitive caesium units are for radiotherapy? They'd never be licensed in Canada anymore, but there are two (or were in the mid-80s) private clinics in the U.S., one in Long Island and one in Florida. The U.S. doesn't require a full time medical physicist to be present to keep linear accelerators properly tuned (an almost full-time job as they are extremely complicated machines, and it's very easy to make a fatal mistake), but Canadian law does. So if you're getting radiotherapy, you're safer in Canada. Jon Spencer wrote: I get very uneven reports of the adequacy of medical care from Canadian citizens. YMMV. Jon - Original Message - From: Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Magnetic Personality Careful. Someone on LDS-Poll, who writes under a pseudonym, made a claim that there were only 100 MRIs in all of Canada. It turns out there are almost 25 in Alberta alone (pop.: 3 000 000) after I did some research. Incidentally, private insurance isn't illegal here -- I have Blue Cross, for instance, to cover prescription drugs and a few other things -- it's just that there's not much point to it. Given the power of the government insurance plans (their size), they can negotiate low drug prices with suppliers. That's why drugs cost so much less here. I've had MRI's within hours notice, such as once when I fell and had a serious concussion. They rushed me by ambulance to U of Alberta Hospital and I had an MRI right away (it showed a subdural haematoma). Where we have waiting lists is in non-urgent situations like joint problems. You can wait for several months for an MRI for something like that. Jon Spencer wrote: I have had several MRI's done (I know that is hard to imagine if you live in Canada, given the scarcity of MRI equipment there and the prohibition against private insurance, etc.). Some of the techs have referenced their own experience with this phenomenon, having watches fly across the room, etc. Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: It couldn't have been a CAT scan, which is just a glorified, spinning x-ray machine, basically. I heard it was an MRI. I don't dispute Stephen -- he sounds like he knows what he's talking about, but I can't remember any more than what I wrote. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Beecroft: -Marc- ... a tech had inadvertently left an oxygen cylinder in the room, and when the MRI was turned on, it got sucked right into the core, killing the poor patient (a young boy) instantly. Unless MRI
Re: [ZION] Privatizing the feds
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: This is good. I'd like to see many of the processes privatized. If we can save even 20 percent, imagine the cost savings in taxes for us Yeah, but if I know anything about bureaucracy and especially governments, it won't mean that 20,000 federal jobs will go to contractors. It will mean that those federal jobs will be shifted to other government work, and the contractors will come on board with their employees just adding to the size and expense of government. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who make people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea. --Jack Handy === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
