[ZION] Starts with G Grief
I wrote this about 10 years ago, but I still remember why I wrote it. Turns out the brass ring did swing back and I caught it (or it caught me). It was worth the wait, but the point the poem makes still applies... in many cases. The Grief of Missing by Tom Matkin The grief of missing The brass ring As it swings So very Close Is Known To us all. We watch it swing Within our Grasp And In An Instant It will fly away Much further than ever before. But as we study times When magically The ring Was In Our Hand to stay! We must admit that many times The happier Chance Was In Missing. Tom I just pretend I'm a princess, and that I could summarily have her executed at any time according to my own pleasure. It gives me great comfort! (The Little Princess) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Dungeons and Dragons
BTW, there are also personality tests out there for Star Trek personalities, MM, muppets, XMen and cartoon villains. Here are a few links: http://www.geocities.com/windowkachan/personality/dbz/ Juuhachigou! I am a bit of a loner, but I have a squishy romantic side that fanfic writers just love to use. Of course, since I've never played or whatched Dragonball Z, I have no idea what this character is like. http://www.roxydoll.com/~erin/quiz/ A red MM -- You like to be in control, and you always make sure the job gets done, even if you are a little bigheaded. -- But I have to wonder who assigned these colors. You are Demeter, the Goddess of agriculture. You are a type of mother-figure to your friends, and whilst you are not incredibly outgoing, you have much inner strength. -- But in all honestly, this looks like it was set up more for women than for men. http://startrek.about.com/library/weekly/aa080201.htm You share a basic personality configuration with Leonard McCoy. I don't know that I agree with this one. Especially the long explanation it gave about why am similar to Bones. http://mewing.net/cryquiz.shtml I think I would be booted off the list if I wrote what it told me my battle cry should be. http://www.geraldfield.com/cgi-bin/unofficial/quizzes/sfesurvey.cgi?whatm uppetareyou This link doesn't seem to work. And not just because it cut off in mid link. I tried several permutations and none of them worked. http://www.mutedfaith.com/quiz/vq.htm You are the Super Villain. You have an incredible amount of power over people, be it mentally, physically, or emotionally. Or at least you think you do. Or maybe you just wish you did. You're also very explosive, and easily angered. -- I have no idea what this is supposed to be from. But the last sentence is true. But then I also forget that anger almost immediately. Which seems to drive my wife batty. http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~alyssa13/xmen/ This one doesn't seem to work either. I have grown tired of these. They're interesting, but I think I went overboard here. Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right. When wrong, to be put right. -- Carl Schurz // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] The play's the thing.
Attempt to start new thread #3. (B (BAs many of you know, I reside in Japan, making my living by (Bbabysitting kids ... I mean teaching kids English lessons. -- (BOne thing I would like to try to do is put on a program for these (Bkids' parents to make them think that I'm actually doing some (Bwork. I know that ELF and Tom Matkin have made reference to (Bbeing in various dramatic productions. I'm sure there are (Bprobably others as well. Does anyone here have any ideas on (Bwhere I could find simple plays (the operative word being (B"simple") that these kids with little English experience could (Blearn and perform? These would NOT by LDS-central, though for (Blittle kids I don't suppose there would be anything too weird. (B (BI think my attempt to start a new thread is really stretching it (Bnow. (B (BCousin Bill (B[EMAIL PROTECTED] (B"Our country, right or wrong. When (Bright, to be kept right. When wrong, (Bto be put right." -- Carl Schurz (B (B// (B/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// (B/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// (B/ (B--^ (BThis email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B (BEASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 (BOr send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B (BTOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! (Bhttp://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html (B--^
RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2
At 07:09 PM 11/7/2003 +, Rabbi Rabinowitz wrote: The bottom line is that while the question of exaltation may turn on our willingness to enter into the eternal covenant of marriage--a specific commandment--it turns most of all upon our willingness to keep ALL of his commandments and in so doing, to then allow the atonement (through the process of repentance) to take full effect in our lives. I think the operative words here are sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise This is something that this feeble old brain doesn't completely understand, but it sounds pretty intimidating all the same. Could it be coincidental with the second comforter? Scary thought, says I, if you read the rest of the chapter with that in mind. I'm with the BLT, sometimes I fear God. It certainly gives me great incentive to try harder each day. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] This is Me
At 10:52 AM 11/8/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: Tom Matkin wrote: I wear hats. Fedora's, Pendletons, Straws, Outbacks, and the like. I wear hats in a place where all the other men, and a few of the women, favour ball caps. Even in their Sunday best they will sometimes wear a John Deere cap... to the temple. It used to startle me a bit, but I've grown accustomed to it. Others have had trouble becoming accustomed to me in my black fedora, but ain't that the way it is, some of us never sit quite easy in the saddle. Years ago in my early 20's I wore a Stetson business fedora. Since then I have either been hatless or worn a baseball cap. Then last Christmas my wife bought me a fedora. Inside it proclaims that it is an official Indiana Jones hat, the same style he wore in the movies. I like it a lot, but it is wool felt. It isn't fur felt, and it doesn't have a satin lining, so it isn't the best hat I've every owned. I have ambitions to own an even better hat, by and by, maybe a homburg but probably another fedora. Where do you get your hats? Here in Ketchikan the selection is dismal. Do you buy any of them on the Internet. If so, what are some of your favorite websites? Till just got a new suede Aussie from Sierra Trading Post (Cheyenne WY) for under $20 US Perfectly serviceable. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] The play's the thing.
I suggest you have the kids write one. They can use their strength inthe language to write it, come up with their own story line, and put it down in English words. Then you can help them correct it, and then practice the play. In this way, they are not just memorizing a play, but actually using their command of the English language to translate, etc. And if that doesn't work, the Mikado is always a good bet in English OR Japanese. ;-) K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever Cousin Bill: Attempt to start new thread #3. As many of you know, I reside in Japan, making my living by babysitting kids ... I mean teaching kids English lessons. -- One thing I would like to try to do is put on a program for these kids' parents to make them think that I'm actually doing some work. I know that ELF and Tom Matkin have made reference to being in various dramatic productions. I'm sure there are probably others as well. Does anyone here have any ideas on where I could find simple plays (the operative word being simple) that these kids with little English experience could learn and perform? These would NOT by LDS-central, though for little kids I don't suppose there would be anything too weird. I think my attempt to start a new thread is really stretching it now. Cousin Bill // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] The play's the thing.
Gary's idea is perfect. To jumpstart the process you could base the play on a nursery story like the three little pigs, Chicken Little or the Matrix sequel 9. Teach them the nursery story then if the ideas don't flow, get a video camera out, do some casting and turn them loose. Hey you, you're the goose, you over there, you are the golden egg (remember to emote!) and you in the corner, you are the golden harp and who wants to be Jack, where's our giant and the seven fairy princesses and the wicked step mother and Toto and the wicked witch of the west? Tom -Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 10, 2003 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] The play's the thing. I suggest you have the kids write one. They can use their strength inthe language to write it, come up with their own story line, and put it down in English words. Then you can help them correct it, and then practice the play. In this way, they are not just memorizing a play, but actually using their command of the English language to translate, etc. And if that doesn't work, the Mikado is always a good bet in English OR Japanese. ;-) K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever Cousin Bill: Attempt to start new thread #3. As many of you know, I reside in Japan, making my living by babysitting kids ... I mean teaching kids English lessons. -- One thing I would like to try to do is put on a program for these kids' parents to make them think that I'm actually doing some work. I know that ELF and Tom Matkin have made reference to being in various dramatic productions. I'm sure there are probably others as well. Does anyone here have any ideas on where I could find simple plays (the operative word being simple) that these kids with little English experience could learn and perform? These would NOT by LDS-central, though for little kids I don't suppose there would be anything too weird. I think my attempt to start a new thread is really stretching it now. Cousin Bill // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// // /// // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] The play's the thing.
Tom's ideas are good, too. However, I don't know how you are going to get those awesome Matrix special effects to ever come out. I mean, it is one thing to see them on the big screen, but in person? Maybe if you plugged all the parents into the machinery, like in the real Matrix. Hm. Gary Tom Matkin wrote: Gary's idea is perfect. To jumpstart the process you could base the play on a nursery story like the three little pigs, Chicken Little or the Matrix sequel 9. Teach them the nursery story then if the ideas don't flow, get a video camera out, do some casting and turn them loose. Hey you, you're the goose, you over there, you are the golden egg (remember to emote!) and you in the corner, you are the golden harp and who wants to be Jack, where's our giant and the seven fairy princesses and the wicked step mother and Toto and the wicked witch of the west? Tom -Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 10, 2003 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] The play's the thing. I suggest you have the kids write one. They can use their strength inthe language to write it, come up with their own story line, and put it down in English words. Then you can help them correct it, and then practice the play. In this way, they are not just memorizing a play, but actually using their command of the English language to translate, etc. And if that doesn't work, the Mikado is always a good bet in English OR Japanese. ;-) K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever Cousin Bill: Attempt to start new thread #3. As many of you know, I reside in Japan, making my living by babysitting kids ... I mean teaching kids English lessons. -- One thing I would like to try to do is put on a program for these kids' parents to make them think that I'm actually doing some work. I know that ELF and Tom Matkin have made reference to being in various dramatic productions. I'm sure there are probably others as well. Does anyone here have any ideas on where I could find simple plays (the operative word being simple) that these kids with little English experience could learn and perform? These would NOT by LDS-central, though for little kids I don't suppose there would be anything too weird. I think my attempt to start a new thread is really stretching it now. Cousin Bill // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// // /// Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] This is Me
At 05:11 PM 11/8/2003 -0700, Uncle Tom wrote: I've done a lot of window shopping for hats on the web. There's lots of sites, you can find them by searching for fedora hats on Google. I've drooled quite a lot over Clearwater Hats. They have a nice web presence and a great selection of handmade fur felt hats. Pricey, but I'm willing to chance that the quality is worth it. http://www.clearwaterhats.com/ One of these days ... Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2
At 06:49 AM 11/10/2003, you wrote: At 07:09 PM 11/7/2003 +, Rabbi Rabinowitz wrote: The bottom line is that while the question of exaltation may turn on our willingness to enter into the eternal covenant of marriage--a specific commandment--it turns most of all upon our willingness to keep ALL of his commandments and in so doing, to then allow the atonement (through the process of repentance) to take full effect in our lives. I think the operative words here are sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise This is something that this feeble old brain doesn't completely understand, but it sounds pretty intimidating all the same. Could it be coincidental with the second comforter? Scary thought, says I, if you read the rest of the chapter with that in mind. I'm with the BLT, sometimes I fear God. It certainly gives me great incentive to try harder each day. Till From my limited understanding, being sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise is when the Holy Ghost puts his stamp of approval on the ordinance. This stamp can and will be removed if the person fails to keep the commandments. The big question is how do we know if the ordinance has been sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise as we all sin? -- Lew -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Sons of perdition
At 05:16 PM 11/8/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: Gerald Smith wrote: I have some quotes here, which will show that one must do more than receive the Holy Ghost and reject it to become a candidate for perdition. You will see that one must receive the Holy Ghost, have the heavens opened up, know God, and then totally and completely rebel. I agree with this, but what does it mean to have the heavens opened up, and know God? Can a person gain a perfect knowledge so that faith is dormant by the witness of the Holy Ghost alone? Or does he actually have to see the face of God? --JWR The more one knows, the more responsibility one carries. The deeper you get into the mud, the more difficult it is to get out. I, for one, would rather not push my luck to find out. Till the pragmatist // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] The play's the thing.
Gary expresses doubt: However, I don't know how you are going to get those awesome Matrix special effects to ever come out. I mean, it is one thing to see them on the big screen, but in person? That's the essence of theatre. You ask for suspension of disbelief and you get it. Is it any harder for an audience to believe that little Sally is actually a talking chicken, or for someone to belief that people can morph into other dimensions? Actually I've never seen a Matrix movie so I don't have the slightest idea what I'm talking about. But then you probably already guessed that. Tom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Thrift!
At 10:39 PM 11/8/2003 -0600, St John AE wrote: Back in the 70's I bought an MG Midget. It was new and I paid too much fir it, but it was a really cool car. It was fast, cornered like an expensive sports car and economical on the gas bill. It was the most fun I ever had driving. Yes, yes, Till once had a bugeye Austin Healy Sprite*. Absolute fun to drive. The only drawbacks were the long gap between 2nd and 3rd gear, and the absence of side windows (had curtains) when it was cold. Sure miss that little blue Frog! *precursor to the second model Sprite, which was exactly the same as the MG Midget. The bugeye had a slightly smaller displacement, but I found it would actually outperform the later version. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] This is Me
A most amazing hat-- (URL looks pretty mangled after I copied it. Might have to try a bit of cutting and pasting to resurrect the whole corpus.) http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jhtml?id=0022624901951anavAction=jumpnavCount=0indexId=podId=0022624catalogCode=UDparentId=parentType=rid=cmCat=search_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fcatalog%2Fitem-link.jhtml.2_A_DAV=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcontent%2FPod%2F02%2F26%2F24%2Fp022624ii01.jpghasJS=true; Bridger Mountain Man Coyote Fur Hat Relive the era of the mountain man with this authentic full-body coyote Mountain Man Hat. The hat drapes down in the back for added warmth and protection on your neck and shoulders. From reenactments of famed mountain man triumphs along the frontier, to displays and decor befitting America's pioneers and settlers, the classic styling and authentic coyote hide make this hat a conversation starter at any gathering. The soft, white-tanned interior holds up to years of wear. The professionally cleaned fur is exceptionally soft and holds its sheen extremely well. This is the perfect gift for rendezvous black-powder re-enactment enthusiasts. Made in Canada. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] My intro
Who am I? Think back to high school. Remember the coolest kid there? He was incredibly smart, but so athletic that the jocks wanted to hang with him anyway. He was so good-looking that the cheerleaders all wanted to date him, but his girlfriend was the friendly but shy girl with braces that no one (besides him) ever noticed was beautiful until she was a senior. He was the guy who was always nice to freshmen, even geeky ones; who didn't back down to any of the bullies, even when they were bugging others instead of him; who got along with all the teachers and the administrators, but still managed to be everyone's favorite person. Every parent wanted their daughter to date him and their son to be just like him. He was voted Most Likely To Succeed, and at your 20-year reunion, he was the one to show up with his old girlfriend (now wife) with pictures of their ten children and an agreeable and understated manner belying his twenty-million-dollar profit from selling off his biotech company, which you read about in _The Economist_ a couple of months ago. Remember that guy? Now remember his socially-inept, clumsy, nerdy little zit-faced brother who stammered a lot and wet his pants during the sex ed segment of Health class? That's me. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] How to Become a Gospel Scholar
Didn't one of the apostles give a talk How to Become a Gospel Scholar or some such title? Does anyone here know which talk I'm referring to? Who gave it? Where it can be found? --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] This is Me
Jim offered: This is the perfect gift for rendezvous black-powder re-enactment enthusiasts. Made in Canada. Black-powder re-enactments? Wazzzat? We wear those coyote hats in church in the winter (9 months of the year). Tom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Hai karate?
About seventeen years ago, I lived at BYU with my cousin in a big old yellow polygamist house in Provo (5th East and 7th North, across the street from the laundromat there) that had been divided into four apartments. The smallest of those apartments was inhabited by a guy who taught ninjutsu, that is, ninja stuff. Really. He and his students (eight or so) would take large, sneaky steps around the yard with a three-foot sword tucked into their sash, slitting imaginary throats and throwing ninja stars at the tree trunks. Sometimes they wore those little face-hiding scarves. My cousin and I always felt safer knowing we lived by a ninja, and it had some entertainment value, as well. So my question is: Does anyone on this list do martial arts-type stuff? Any ninjas, or karate kids, or judo choppers, or boxers, or Muay Thai kickboxers? Any of that stuff actually work in a practical self-defense situation? My kids took aikido for a while, which was very fun for them and all, but got way too expensive for us, and I never thought it looked very useful for any actual self-defense purposes. Anyone care to educate me? Samurai Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] This is I (sorry that I kin speekee the English)
Hey, Gramps! I will give him this email, as well as keeping it. Thank you very much for your support. I do worry about his testimony in the environment in which he will be immersed. There are many Saints who do well, and he does have a very strong testimony right now, but every little bit helps! Again, thanks! Jon - Original Message - From: Grampa Bill in Savannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] This is I (sorry that I kin speekee the English) Jon Spencer wrote: Children: 2 David - 17 - leaves 4/14/2004 for Fort Benning - Basic/AIT, then jump school, then RIP (Ranger Indoctrination Program), then Ranger training, then probably the Middle East, then Special Farces if he gets his way. == Grampa Bill comments: If after RIP and Ranger Training, he actually joins the Rangers, and if he makes the First Ranger Battalion (There are three, but all our local Rangers assure me that the First is the best.), he might pass through Savannah from time to time. Have him look up old Grampa Bill in the First Ward (There are three.) I'll take him out and buy him a twenty ounce Porterhouse somewhere. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] My intro
Ah! NOW I remember you. Noj - Original Message - From: Stephen Beecroft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: [ZION] My intro Who am I? Think back to high school. Remember the coolest kid there? He was incredibly smart, but so athletic that the jocks wanted to hang with him anyway. He was so good-looking that the cheerleaders all wanted to date him, but his girlfriend was the friendly but shy girl with braces that no one (besides him) ever noticed was beautiful until she was a senior. He was the guy who was always nice to freshmen, even geeky ones; who didn't back down to any of the bullies, even when they were bugging others instead of him; who got along with all the teachers and the administrators, but still managed to be everyone's favorite person. Every parent wanted their daughter to date him and their son to be just like him. He was voted Most Likely To Succeed, and at your 20-year reunion, he was the one to show up with his old girlfriend (now wife) with pictures of their ten children and an agreeable and understated manner belying his twenty-million-dollar profit from selling off his biotech company, which you read about in _The Economist_ a couple of months ago. Remember that guy? Now remember his socially-inept, clumsy, nerdy little zit-faced brother who stammered a lot and wet his pants during the sex ed segment of Health class? That's me. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Thrift!
Yes, yes, Till once had a bugeye Austin Healy Sprite*. Absolute fun to drive. The only drawbacks were the long gap between 2nd and 3rd gear, and the absence of side windows (had curtains) when it was cold. Sure miss that little blue Frog! I had a 1953 Healy 100. It was a sports car of sorts, but it had a 4 banger 2800 cc engine and transmission out of a tractor. You could climb up the side of a building in first gear, maxing out at 4 MPH. On top of that, it had been raced. It was amazing that none of the major body parts fell off! Well, one did, the right rear wheel. The car had wire wheels with knock-off hubs. I was crusin' down Sunset Strip (literally) in 1965, approaching a new druggy place at Sunset and Crescent Heights called Pandora's Box. The wheel came off the car, went behind the car, around the front, and headed off down Crescent Heights (Sunset is up on the side of a hill). It ended up several blocks down the street, doing no damage. The car itself bounced up and nestled itself against the curb. We came back the next evening to find that some of the druggies had moved the car up onto the Pandora's Box property. One of my friends went in to find out who had been the Good Samaritan, and ended up being chased down the street. I got the car back, fixed it, and continued to drive it. I finally sold it when I went to USC. Another fun thing about the car was that whoever owned it in the past had re-wired it - all with gray wire! Talk about trying to trace down a wire! These older English cars had a penchant for bad wiring. I ran a lot of new wires keeping the car legal. But boy, was it fun to drive! I especially loved those side draft carbs that starved the engine on a hard right turn (the carbs - two dual barrel carbs - were on the left side of the engine.) Those were the days. Let's see, what was the progression of sports cars (with other non-entities in the middle)? The Healy 100. A Fiat X/19. A BMW 633. Then kids. Now a mini van. Jon // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] How to Become a Gospel Scholar
I have a good book on becoming a Gospel Scholar. I'll try to find it. Jon - Original Message - From: John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [ZION] How to Become a Gospel Scholar Didn't one of the apostles give a talk How to Become a Gospel Scholar or some such title? Does anyone here know which talk I'm referring to? Who gave it? Where it can be found? --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] This is Me
From: "Jim Cobabe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B (BA most amazing hat-- (B (B(URL looks pretty mangled after I copied it. Might have to try a (Bbit of (Bcutting and pasting to resurrect the whole corpus.) (B (B"http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-ite (Bm.jhtml?id=0022624901951anavAction=jumpnavCount=0indexId=podI (Bd=0022624catalogCode=UDparentId=parentType=rid=cmCat=search (B_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fcatalog%2Fitem-link.jhtml.2_A_ (BDAV=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcontent%2FPod%2F02%2F26%2F24%2Fp022624ii01. (BjpghasJS=true" (B (B-- (BOr you could have gone to http://tinyURL.com , fed in that (Bmonster and come up with http://tinyurl.com/ughw and had no (Bproblems. (B (BRecently I have been wanting to wear a hat, but the only thing I (Bhave is a baseball cap type GAP hat. Since GAP is fairly stylish (Bhere in Japan, it doesn't look too weird. But I plan to look (Baround a little while I'm in America. I don't think I will (Bpurchase your recommendation, though, Jim. :-) (B (BCousin Bill (B[EMAIL PROTECTED] (B"Our country, right or wrong. When (Bright, to be kept right. When wrong, (Bto be put right." -- Carl Schurz (B (B// (B/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// (B/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// (B/ (B--^ (BThis email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B (BEASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 (BOr send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B (BTOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! (Bhttp://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html (B--^
Re: [ZION] Hai karate?
From: "Stephen Beecroft" [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B (BSo my question is: Does anyone on this list do martial arts-type (Bstuff? Any ninjas, or karate kids, or judo choppers, or boxers, (Bor Muay Thai kickboxers? Any of that stuff actually work in a (Bpractical self-defense situation? My kids took aikido for a (Bwhile, which was very fun for them and all, but got way too (Bexpensive for us, and I never thought it looked very useful for (Bany actual self-defense purposes. Anyone care to educate me? (B (BSamurai Stephen (B (B-- (BMy kids do kendo, bamboo-sword fighting. But it would be pretty (Buseless unless you had a bamboo sword with you when you needed to (Bdefend yourself. (B (BCousin Bill (B[EMAIL PROTECTED] (B"Our country, right or wrong. When (Bright, to be kept right. When wrong, (Bto be put right." -- Carl Schurz (B (B// (B/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// (B/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// (B/ (B--^ (BThis email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B (BEASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 (BOr send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B (BTOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! (Bhttp://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html (B--^
[ZION] Official Doctrine #3
From Gospel Principles: Knowing the Signs of the Times Can Help Us No one except our Heavenly Father knows exactly when the Lord will come. The Savior taught this with the parable of the fig tree. He said that when we see a fig tree putting forth leaves, we can tell that summer will soon come. Likewise, when we see the signs described in the scriptures, we can know that his coming is near. (See Matthew 24:32-33.) The Lord gave these signs to help us. We can put our lives in order and prepare ourselves and our families for those things yet to come. We do not need to worry about the calamities but can look forward to the coming of the Savior and be glad. The Lord said, Be not troubled, for, when all these things [the signs] shall come to pass, ye may know that the promises which have been made unto you shall be fulfilled(DC 45:35). He said those who are righteous when he comes will not be destroyed but shall abide the day. And the earth shall be given them for an inheritance; ...and their children shall grow up without sin. ...For the Lord shall be in their midst, and his glory shall be upon them, and he will be their king and their lawgiver(DC 45:57-59). Discussion How can knowing the signs of the Second Coming help us? --- The signs of the times help me in several ways: 1) They provide me with a sense of urgency about repenting of my sins, an urgency that I wouldn't feel if there were no signs of the times. 2) They fill me with joy as I contemplate the coming to an end of this wicked world with all its terribly injustice towards the innocent and helpless. Finally, the rich and powerful who gained their advantage at the expense of others will be dethroned. What joy this thought gives me, and it seems real primarily because of the signs of the times. 3) They comfort me because I feel like I am better prepared for what is to come as I repent and keep the commandments. Watching the signs of the times unfold gives me a feeling of control as I throw my lot in with the Savior because he IS in control. How do these signs of the times help you? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === The study of the doctrines of the Gospel will improve behavior quicker than a study of behavior will improve behavior. --Boyd K. Packer === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
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[ZION] Mother Teresa
Christopher Hitchens hates Mother Teresa. This is not a secret. Given some of Hitchens' proclivities, I am not necessarily prone to uncritical acceptance of his viewpoint, but the man is very intelligent and, I think, makes a few good points. (Not that I know enough about the issues to make an informed judgment.) Given the praise of Mother Teresa taking place when I first returned to this list a few weeks back, I thought some might find this piece interesting, even despite its URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2090083/ Excerpt: MT was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction. And she was a friend to the worst of the rich, taking misappropriated money from the atrocious Duvalier family in Haiti (whose rule she praised in return) and from Charles Keating of the Lincoln Savings and Loan. Where did that money, and all the other donations, go? The primitive hospice in Calcutta was as run down when she died as it always had beenshe preferred California clinics when she got sick herselfand her order always refused to publish any audit. But we have her own claim that she opened 500 convents in more than a hundred countries, all bearing the name of her own order. Excuse me, but this is modesty and humility? The rich world has a poor conscience, and many people liked to alleviate their own unease by sending money to a woman who seemed like an activist for 'the poorest of the poor.' People do not like to admit that they have been gulled or conned, so a vested interest in the myth was permitted to arise, and a lazy media never bothered to ask any follow-up questions. Many volunteers who went to Calcutta came back abruptly disillusioned by the stern ideology and poverty-loving practice of the 'Missionaries of Charity,' but they had no audience for their story. George Orwell's admonition in his essay on Gandhithat saints should always be presumed guilty until proved innocentwas drowned in a Niagara of soft-hearted, soft-headed, and uninquiring propaganda. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION]
Stephen Beecroft wrote: // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / You seem to have forgotten to put anything in this message, Stephen. Better luck next time. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Mother Teresa
Stephen Beecroft wrote: Christopher Hitchens hates Mother Teresa. This is not a secret. Given some of Hitchens' proclivities, I am not necessarily prone to uncritical acceptance of his viewpoint, but the man is very intelligent and, I think, makes a few good points. (Not that I know enough about the issues to make an informed judgment.) Given the praise of Mother Teresa taking place when I first returned to this list a few weeks back, I thought some might find this piece interesting, even despite its URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2090083/ Excerpt: MT was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction. And she was a friend to the worst of the rich, taking misappropriated money from the atrocious Duvalier family in Haiti (whose rule she praised in return) and from Charles Keating of the Lincoln Savings and Loan. Where did that money, and all the other donations, go? The primitive hospice in Calcutta was as run down when she died as it always had beenshe preferred California clinics when she got sick herselfand her order always refused to publish any audit. But we have her own claim that she opened 500 convents in more than a hundred countries, all bearing the name of her own order. Excuse me, but this is modesty and humility? The rich world has a poor conscience, and many people liked to alleviate their own unease by sending money to a woman who seemed like an activist for 'the poorest of the poor.' People do not like to admit that they have been gulled or conned, so a vested interest in the myth was permitted to arise, and a lazy media never bothered to ask any follow-up questions. Many volunteers who went to Calcutta came back abruptly disillusioned by the stern ideology and poverty-loving practice of the 'Missionaries of Charity,' but they had no audience for their story. George Orwell's admonition in his essay on Gandhithat saints should always be presumed guilty until proved innocentwas drowned in a Niagara of soft-hearted, soft-headed, and uninquiring propaganda. Not only that, but according to Christ, almsgiving is to be done anonymously. Mother Theresa was FAMOUS for her unselfishness. Just how unselfish can giving be when it brings that kind of fame? --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Signs Already Received
Many of the signs of Christ's Second Coming have already been received. Help me list them: 1. The restoration of the gospel. 2. The coming forth of the Book of Mormon 3. The return of Elijah 4. The gospel taken to the Lamanites 5. Gospel preached in almost all the world 6. Israelites established in the tops of the mountains 7. Jews gather to the lands of their inheritance 8. Temples dot the earth 9. Hearts of the fathers and children turned to each other 10. Gospel taught in heathen nations 11. Wicked more wicked and the righteous get more righteous 12. Increase in natural disasters 13. Wars and rumors of wars 14. False Christs and false prophets 15. Violence proliferates 16. Surge in witchcraft and satanism 17. Desolating sickness [AIDS] covers the land Which ones am I missing? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === While we cannot agree with others on certain matters, we must never be disagreeable. We must be friendly, soft-spoken, neighborly, and understanding. (President Gordon B. Hinckley, October 2003) === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Signs Yet to Come
Here is a brief, incomplete list of the signs of the times that have not yet been fulfilled: 1. Global hailstorm 2. No rainbow 3. Global earthquake 4. Sun turn dark 5. Moon turn to blood 6. Stars fall from heaven 7. Burning mountain cast into the sea 8. Priesthood meeting at Adam-ondi-ahman 9. Islamic and communist countries receive gospel 10. Jews begin to believe in Jesus as Messiah 11. Return of Lost Tribes from the north 12. Return of Enoch's Zion 13. Coming forth of the rest of the Book of Mormon 14. Temple built in Jerusalem 15. Temple built in Jackson County 16. All nations go up to war against Jerusalem 17. Constitution saved when it hangs by a thread 18. Anti-christ rises up before all nations 19. No man can buy or sell without the mark of the beast 20. Renewed persecution of the saints What else? What have I missed? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === While we cannot agree with others on certain matters, we must never be disagreeable. We must be friendly, soft-spoken, neighborly, and understanding. (President Gordon B. Hinckley, October 2003) === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Mother Teresa
It seems that I may have been taken in by the popular press accounts of her, without doing much critical thinking. On the other hand, since I don't know much about her, I must avoid being taken in by negative stories. But, to tell you the truth, I don't really know if it is important enough to me to track this information down. I don't think that it will help me build the kingdom (not that everything I do helps build the kingdom, mind you). So perhaps I will just consider this a lesson learned, continue to view assisting the truly needy as something I am bound by covenant to do, and not worry about anyone else. (Stephen - I don't mean this as criticism at all. I appreciate the input.) Jon - Original Message - From: Stephen Beecroft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:45 PM Subject: [ZION] Mother Teresa Christopher Hitchens hates Mother Teresa. This is not a secret. Given some of Hitchens' proclivities, I am not necessarily prone to uncritical acceptance of his viewpoint, but the man is very intelligent and, I think, makes a few good points. (Not that I know enough about the issues to make an informed judgment.) Given the praise of Mother Teresa taking place when I first returned to this list a few weeks back, I thought some might find this piece interesting, even despite its URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2090083/ Excerpt: MT was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction. And she was a friend to the worst of the rich, taking misappropriated money from the atrocious Duvalier family in Haiti (whose rule she praised in return) and from Charles Keating of the Lincoln Savings and Loan. Where did that money, and all the other donations, go? The primitive hospice in Calcutta was as run down when she died as it always had been-she preferred California clinics when she got sick herself-and her order always refused to publish any audit. But we have her own claim that she opened 500 convents in more than a hundred countries, all bearing the name of her own order. Excuse me, but this is modesty and humility? The rich world has a poor conscience, and many people liked to alleviate their own unease by sending money to a woman who seemed like an activist for 'the poorest of the poor.' People do not like to admit that they have been gulled or conned, so a vested interest in the myth was permitted to arise, and a lazy media never bothered to ask any follow-up questions. Many volunteers who went to Calcutta came back abruptly disillusioned by the stern ideology and poverty-loving practice of the 'Missionaries of Charity,' but they had no audience for their story. George Orwell's admonition in his essay on Gandhi-that saints should always be presumed guilty until proved innocent-was drowned in a Niagara of soft-hearted, soft-headed, and uninquiring propaganda. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Mother Teresa
John W. Redelfs wrote: Not only that, but according to Christ, almsgiving is to be done anonymously. Mother Theresa was FAMOUS for her unselfishness. Just how unselfish can giving be when it brings that kind of fame? --JWR ** I think that we need to be careful about our view of MT. This writer didn't like her because she was against birth control, for one thing. I don't begrudge her for that. He also didn't like the fact that she took money from scummy people. I can see her point of view - she may have been so bothered by the poverty she saw that she lost a little bit of objectivity. As to publishing her charity, I don't know if she did this, or the donors did this, or the press did this, or the Catholic Church did this. And she was more effective as a collector of funds given her visibility. So I suggest that we withhold our criticism of MT and focus on our own salvation. MT will be judged on her intent and the wishes of her heart. Jon // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Signs Yet to Come
I had heard that two apostles will be killed in Jerusalem and be brought back to life 3 1/2 years before the return of Christ, but have no scriptural reference for this. Jon - Original Message - From: John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: [ZION] Signs Yet to Come Here is a brief, incomplete list of the signs of the times that have not yet been fulfilled: 1. Global hailstorm 2. No rainbow 3. Global earthquake 4. Sun turn dark 5. Moon turn to blood 6. Stars fall from heaven 7. Burning mountain cast into the sea 8. Priesthood meeting at Adam-ondi-ahman 9. Islamic and communist countries receive gospel 10. Jews begin to believe in Jesus as Messiah 11. Return of Lost Tribes from the north 12. Return of Enoch's Zion 13. Coming forth of the rest of the Book of Mormon 14. Temple built in Jerusalem 15. Temple built in Jackson County 16. All nations go up to war against Jerusalem 17. Constitution saved when it hangs by a thread 18. Anti-christ rises up before all nations 19. No man can buy or sell without the mark of the beast 20. Renewed persecution of the saints What else? What have I missed? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === While we cannot agree with others on certain matters, we must never be disagreeable. We must be friendly, soft-spoken, neighborly, and understanding. (President Gordon B. Hinckley, October 2003) === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Mother Teresa
Dear friends, -Original Message- From: Jon Spencer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Mother Teresa ... snip So I suggest that we withhold our criticism of MT and focus on our own salvation. MT will be judged on her intent and the wishes of her heart. I do know that when she was awarded the Nobel Peace prize, she gave the money to the support of the poor. I of course don't know her intent. Pax et Bonum, John A.E., n/OEF I will not let anyone walk through my mind with their dirty feet. --Mohandas K. Gandhi (1869-1948) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Fwd: [ZION] Signs Yet to Come
Here is a brief, incomplete list of the signs of the times that have not yet been fulfilled: 1. Global hailstorm 2. No rainbow 3. Global earthquake 4. Sun turn dark 5. Moon turn to blood 6. Stars fall from heaven 7. Burning mountain cast into the sea 8. Priesthood meeting at Adam-ondi-ahman 9. Islamic and communist countries receive gospel 10. Jews begin to believe in Jesus as Messiah 11. Return of Lost Tribes from the north 12. Return of Enoch's Zion 13. Coming forth of the rest of the Book of Mormon 14. Temple built in Jerusalem 15. Temple built in Jackson County 16. All nations go up to war against Jerusalem 17. Constitution saved when it hangs by a thread 18. Anti-christ rises up before all nations 19. No man can buy or sell without the mark of the beast 20. Renewed persecution of the saints What else? What have I missed? 144,000 High Priests chosen (Rev 7:1-8) Christ appears at the new Jerusalem Temple (Dan 7:13-14) sea heaving themselves beyond their bounds (D C 88:89-91) Christ appears on Mount of Olives (D C 45:51-52) an highway shall be cast up in the midst of the great deep (D C 133:27) -- Lew -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Signs Yet to Come
At 07:45 PM 11/10/2003, you wrote: I had heard that two apostles will be killed in Jerusalem and be brought back to life 3 1/2 years before the return of Christ, but have no scriptural reference for this. Jon 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. (New Testament | Revelation 11:7 - 14) I'm not sure if the 3 1/2 here is what you are talking about but it is days and not years. The two witnesses shall lie in the street for 3 1/2 days and then they shall ascended to heaven -- Lew -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] How to Become a Gospel Scholar
Here's a paper addressing that topic from John Welch. He is not a general authority, but is certainly a gospel scholar with few peers. http://www.byui.edu/Ricks/employee/ALLREDP/Assignments-Gospel%20Scholarship/Welch%20on%20Gospel%20Scholarship.htm; // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] This is I (sorry that I kin speekee the English)
Jon Spencer wrote: Hey, Gramps! I will give him this email, as well as keeping it. Thank you very much for your support. I do worry about his testimony in the environment in which he will be immersed. There are many Saints who do well, and he does have a very strong testimony right now, but every little bit helps! Again, thanks! === Grampa comments: The Rangers are a breed apart from most GIs. And though they often drink hard and play rough, the Rangers have provided us with some of the strongest members we have had. A common (though not unanimous) belief is that God placed them in the Rangers. Some even believed that they were being trained to fight in Armageddon. Had one who trained and excelled in hand-to-hand and bladed weapons, believing a literal interpretation of scriptures that speak of fighting the final battle with swords. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Study topics this week
Some things I am currently interested in studying: Character of Jesus during his youth. Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. DC 93:14 And thus he was called the Son of God, because he received not of the fulness at the first. Implications of mortality for a member of the Godhead. Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. Philippians 2:5-8 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
