Re: 20-year service pin

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Congrats to all the 20 year people!
I think I joined and lurked for a bit starting in 1999, maybe 2000 (?). So,
what is that... 18, 19 years?
Haven't been active here for a number of years but haven't unsubbed. Pretty
sure I had an email address I no longer use when I first joined.
Jumped to other discussion boards for a number of years where more people I
knew were "hanging out".
I haven't really been buying any new releases - can't recall the last new
techno record I purchased. Probably at least five years ago.
My tastes and motivations have changed a bit since I sold one of my decks
to a friend who was in need. More interested in full LPs now and
"listening" techno.
I've been purging a ton of 12" from my collection so if you're looking
https://www.discogs.com/seller/m_ek/profile

take care all!
MEK


On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth 
wrote:

> I joined mw-raves in 1993. and I think 313 in 94? when was inception?
> maybe 95?
>
> I think I took a year or two hiatus in the aughts, but basically been on
> here over half my life. wow.
>
> Holly MacDonald-Korth
> Managing Director
> J W Korth & Company
> (786) 693-8652
>
> On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Mister Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Good grief... I can't remember if I signed up in 98, 99, or 2000. I found
> Hyperreal in '97 but can't remember when I discovered the mailing lists.
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Patrick Wacher  wrote:
>
>> Nice!
>>
>> I remember getting the dox matrix continuous printer paper mail order
>> catalogs from Submariner. Man, I would pour over that thing like crazy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Nathan  wrote:
>>
>>
>> 1997 for me. Will have to dig out the fax I sent to Submerge for my first
>> order from them. How time flies!!
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 19 Dec 2017, at 8:01 am, Patrick Wacher  wrote:
>>
>> 1995 for me, going back to some of those old emails was a blast!
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Astro  for Mac
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2017 at 1:28 PM, ACID  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think i got onto it late..and with a different email so i cant check
>>
>> Was on v-rave before 313 though.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 17 Dec 2017, at 20:17, Fred Heutte  wrote:
>>
>> Greg! good to see ya!
>>
>> 1995 here also. Got on a few months before the Metroplex 10th anniversary
>> party which was my first intro to many 313ers.
>>
>> Although it's not new (2005 I think), been playing Abe Duque/Blake Baxter
>> "What Happened" a lot this year . . .
>>
>> fh
>>
>> -
>>
>> From: majord...@hyperreal.org
>> Subject: Majordomo results: subscr!be
>> Date: November 6, 1997 at 4:14 AM
>> To: [Me]
>>
>>
>> Just realized I recently passed my 20th anniversary on this list.
>>
>> (And I remember hearing about it a couple of years beforehand, but hey -
>> I was lazy.)
>>
>> Shout-outs to the other old-timers!
>>
>> - Greg
>>
>> P.S. Re:
>>
>> 2017
>> Vatican Shadow ‎– Luxor Necropolitics
>> The Exaltics ‎– Das Heise Experiment 2 [The Prequel]
>> ASC - Sentinel
>> [...]
>>
>>
>> No lists for me this year but I just wanted to say that James/ASC is a
>> genius.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: RIP Unsel Brown.

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Oh gosh - very saddening news. My condolences to Tony - I haven't spoken to
him in ages. My condolences to the entire Brown and extended family and
friends.

MEK

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Jason Brunton  wrote:

> Damn - RIP Unsel, that's terrible news
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 16 Sep 2017, at 22:48,   wrote:
> >
> > Not sure why it happened today, but I was listening to some 313 related
> stuff and something just said "I wonder what ole Unsel Brown is up to..."
> >
> > http://www.unselbrown.com/2017/07/11/unsel-brown-obituary-link/
> > http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/annarbor/obituary.aspx?pid=186059568
> >
> > I had met Unsel right around the time I joined this list. I know he was
> clowned on here because of his posting style, but IRL he was always a cool
> ass dude. Got one of his first white label joints from him as well and it
> had a couple of tracks I could work into my sets back then.
> >
> > RIP bruh.
>

Re: Dan Cortez

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Wow, I do remember this guy.
Kent - he's got you down as a friend on FB



On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:26 AM, kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com
wrote:

 He is a sad case.  I've known a few people like him over the years;
 they're usually diagnosed (or undiagnosed) bipolar. In their manic phase,
 they're capable of just about anything.

 A couple of people have sucked me into their mania, because they started
 companies and wanted me to work for them.  Oddly enough the supreme
 confidence of a bipolar person in their manic phase is hard to distinguish
 from a sane high-tech entrepreneur; sometimes you don't find out until they
 crash and stop functioning, leaving the smoking wreckage of their business
 venture for others to clean up.

 Dan was a special case, a DJ legend in his own mind; he was relentless.
 He is the only person in the history of the 313 list to be multiply
 banned.  Every time I banned him he popped up with a new e-mail address,
 trying to trick me into approving his subscription.  I ended up having to
 adding a special 'ban dan' filter to my own gmail account.

 I've also blocked all e-mail from one person who is still on the 313 list,
 but it was such bliss when I stopped getting his snarky attacks that I'm
 having a hard time remembering who it is.


 On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:24 AM, graham.willi...@shell.com wrote:

 Does anyone remember Dan Cortez; he appeared briefly on the list a few
 years ago before Kent banned him.


 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2795937/king-lionheart-stalker-bombarded-lindsay-lohan-1-000-texts-punched-bouncer-stopped-getting-west-end-rehearsal.html

 g

(313) The late Pete Namlook's gear is for sale

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

His family is selling some of the very rare synths he had in his studio
along with other studio gear
http://www.spheremusic.com/Bargaindtl.asp?Item=10784

MEK

Re: (313) RIP Thomas Spiegel, DJ Man-X - Deep Haven Records

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

No, Freddy wasn't a part of this particular branch of the local scene.  Sad
thing about Freddy's situation, he was and always has been appreciated more
overseas than in his own city.
Fred and Thomas both experienced, separately, what was going on in the
Bronx in the 80s. Their histories had similar beginnings, but they came out
with different interpretations of their experiences.  Thomas stayed
committed to House - through his experiences at Club Zanzibar and in NYC
working at Vinylmania - he had a strong root in gospel inspired Garage
House music.  I think early on, while in the Bronx Thomas would play
Freestyle stuff mixed with his style of House.

From what I know about Freddy - told to me from a former neighbor of his
that I happened to be a co-worker of - his roots were in the
Electro/Hip-hop scene emerging in the Bronx.

Whereas Thomas took that same scene, the Freestyle thing, and mixed it up
with the House music he loved - Freddy tended to play it more straight
ahead.  So, their paths never really crossed as far as I'm aware.  I know
Fred never played Thomas' parties and I'm not sure if they ever interacted
locally.  I think they were on two different trajectories.  Thomas
eventually played the Garage/Gospel sound exclusively.  Vocals were hugely
important to him and he was one of those old school DJs who could tell a
story through the records he played.
Not only that but he would talk to people on the dancefloor via the records
he played.  You hear stories of DJs of the caliber of Larry Levan who could
do this. Thomas was one of them.  He really knew how to tap into his
audience.  He was pretty amazing.

MEK

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:58 AM, Minto George mintogeo...@yahoo.com wrote:

 He seemed like a wonderful human being by your words about him. Anyone who
 brings music to other people for the pure joy of sharing it is a beautiful
 person. Especially nice to hear about twin cities history. Did Freddy Fresh
 also play at his parties?

 minto



 On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:20 PM, Michael Elliot-Knight melliotkni...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Some of you may know of Thomas Spiegel.  He was the owner of the deep
 house record label Deep Haven Records based in Miami Florida.
 He was also a good friend of mine.

 Sadly, Thomas passed away on Sunday.

 What follows may be a bit long but I owe it to him to tell you about him.

 I first met Thomas, well, I can't recall what year or how long ago.  I do
 know that I had heard stories of his legendary House Nation Under A Groove,
 Club Degenerate, and Hair Police parties from a mutual friend.  Thomas was
 pretty much is solely responsible for introducing House music to the
 Minneapolis/St Paul area back in the 80s when the underground was
 underground.  He was a dedicated House head - 100% and he tried to live his
 life in the true spirit of House.

 Without Thomas Spiegel there would be no Woody McBride/DJ ESP, no Zak
 Khutoretsky (Transmat), no Minneapolis house or possibly techno scene at
 all.
 Thomas brought his love for House music that he picked up in NYC in the
 70s, moved back to Minneapolis and got together with local DJ Kevin Cole
 (who was more of a rock  roll guy) to start the House Nation Under A
 Groove parties.  It was at one of these parties that Woody McBride was
 introduced to House music.  Thomas told me how he used to see a teenage
 Woody hanging around the DJ booth to find out what records they were
 playing.
 Thomas was personally involved with and learned from the best of the best
 in the NYC underground House world:  Tee Scott, DJ Mark Kamins
 (Danceteria), Afrika BamBattaa, Jose Borbon (Vinylmania), David Morales,
 Roger Sanchez, Tony Humphries and the Richard Long sound system at Club
 Zanzibar, Blaze, Vinylmania Records owner Charlie Grappone and Ed
 Cushions of West End Records.  Thomas was the first to let Cushions know
 about how the West End releases were being sampled by new house music
 producers without his knowledge or permission.

 Thomas introduced me to his method and outlook via his House Nation Under
 A Groove parties here in Minneapolis.  I'll forever remember the postage
 stamp sized 7th Street Entry room we used at the very rock orientated First
 Avenue Nightclub (made world famous by Prince and his Purple Rain
 movie).  We would start early in the day of the event (or the day before)
 loading in all the sound system until there was very nearly no room to
 move across the room.  Then we'd begin to arrange and stack the system -
 test and retest it - under Thomas' direction, until we had built his
 legendary Wall of Sound. Years later, Woody McBride would borrow the name
 for his Wall of Bass - but Thomas always insisted that he was after much
 more than just bass but a full spectrum of sound.  He was chasing the
 infamous Richard Long sound, which Thomas called Mr Clean.  Thomas was
 always trying to better himself and top, what he thought, were his
 highest achievements.

 I was involved with one such high point when we put

(313) RIP Thomas Spiegel, DJ Man-X - Deep Haven Records

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Some of you may know of Thomas Spiegel.  He was the owner of the deep house
record label Deep Haven Records based in Miami Florida.
He was also a good friend of mine.

Sadly, Thomas passed away on Sunday.

What follows may be a bit long but I owe it to him to tell you about him.

I first met Thomas, well, I can't recall what year or how long ago.  I do
know that I had heard stories of his legendary House Nation Under A Groove,
Club Degenerate, and Hair Police parties from a mutual friend.  Thomas was
pretty much is solely responsible for introducing House music to the
Minneapolis/St Paul area back in the 80s when the underground was
underground.  He was a dedicated House head - 100% and he tried to live his
life in the true spirit of House.

Without Thomas Spiegel there would be no Woody McBride/DJ ESP, no Zak
Khutoretsky (Transmat), no Minneapolis house or possibly techno scene at
all.
Thomas brought his love for House music that he picked up in NYC in the
70s, moved back to Minneapolis and got together with local DJ Kevin Cole
(who was more of a rock  roll guy) to start the House Nation Under A
Groove parties.  It was at one of these parties that Woody McBride was
introduced to House music.  Thomas told me how he used to see a teenage
Woody hanging around the DJ booth to find out what records they were
playing.
Thomas was personally involved with and learned from the best of the best
in the NYC underground House world:  Tee Scott, DJ Mark Kamins
(Danceteria), Afrika BamBattaa, Jose Borbon (Vinylmania), David Morales,
Roger Sanchez, Tony Humphries and the Richard Long sound system at Club
Zanzibar, Blaze, Vinylmania Records owner Charlie Grappone and Ed Cushions
of West End Records.  Thomas was the first to let Cushions know about how
the West End releases were being sampled by new house music producers
without his knowledge or permission.

Thomas introduced me to his method and outlook via his House Nation Under A
Groove parties here in Minneapolis.  I'll forever remember the postage
stamp sized 7th Street Entry room we used at the very rock orientated First
Avenue Nightclub (made world famous by Prince and his Purple Rain movie).
We would start early in the day of the event (or the day before) loading in
all the sound system until there was very nearly no room to move across the
room.  Then we'd begin to arrange and stack the system - test and retest it
- under Thomas' direction, until we had built his legendary Wall of
Sound. Years
later, Woody McBride would borrow the name for his Wall of Bass - but
Thomas always insisted that he was after much more than just bass but a full
spectrum of sound.  He was chasing the infamous Richard Long sound, which
Thomas called Mr Clean.  Thomas was always trying to better himself and top,
what he thought, were his highest achievements.

I was involved with one such high point when we put together an afterhours
party inside the June Lune Theatre in Minneapolis.  The stage, with it's
built in spring reaction for live theatre and dance, was turned into the
dancefloor.  At the far end Thomas decided to stack the entire soundsytem
into, by far, the most massive wall of cabinets I've ever seen.  As we went
along testing the system for places where the soundwaves were coupling
(Thomas didn't want any one area concentrated with sound) my friends
and I walked
around the stage acting as human flags for where the sound was stronger.
We knew we hit the right areas because when we stood in those places our
vision would become involuntarily unfocused and the bass waves would punch
through your chest.  This soundwave was heightened by the vibration coming
through the stage.  It was then that we realized that Thomas had chosen the
theatre and planned ]to use the stage as a dancefloor because he had an
idea that the stage itself would act like a giant subwoofer - sending the
music soundwaves physically through your body.  It was brilliant.  We often
recalled that night and Thomas would just shake his head in disbelief as if
he was just a witness to it himself and not the man behind the plan.

Thomas brought together people from all walks of life that otherwise would
have never met.  He created environments that everyone was welcome at -
there was no attitude at House Nation Under A Groove.  Well, the only
attitude was for everyone, regardless of background, to join the House
Nation family and dance and smile.  I may have never seen other House
Nation family outside of HNUG events but we'd easily pick it up when
reunited.  One of the last nights I saw him in Minneapolis, we discovered his
immediate circle of Mpls friends were all wearing the House Nation
t-shirts that
he gave us at a previous party.  Also, he had brought whistles, fans,
handkerchiefs, and other items for us.  Of course we all had our bags of
baby powder for the floor.  Talc powder was a standard feature of House
Nation events. We were ready to move.

Thomas was an incredibly sweet soul.  He did amazing things for his 

Re: (313) planet e...shoes?

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Yeah, they aren't exactly an Axis 4 piece wrench set.  ;-)

MEK

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Frank Glazer cpe1704...@gmail.com wrote:

 my guess is that absolutely nothing makes them planet e other than the
 fact that whoever administers the planet e ebay account for
 liquidating backstock has decided to sell their used tenners (aka
 trainers aka sneakers aka overpriced shoes), possibly carl's?

 On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Sam samuel.kar...@gmail.com wrote:
  What makes them planet E that's weird
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 15/12/2012, at 10:13 AM, Patrick Wacher pwac...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  The faux crocodile skin ones are my personal favs ;)
 
 
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nike-25th-anniversary-Air-Force-1-Lux-Crocodile-Anaconda-18K-Gold-315583-221/150964617419
 
 
  On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Philip McGarva philipmcga...@gmail.com
 
  wrote:
 
  http://www.ebay.com/itm/160940381849
 
 

Re: (313) Ask 313

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

lol - yeah, I was searching back through older things that some might not
know about since they weren't around in '96

MEK

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 10:41 AM, kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.comwrote:

 Haha Michael -- TELL IT TO THE IDM LIST CIRCA 1996.  But seriously I own a
 bunch of those records and/or CDs.


 On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Michael Elliot-Knight 
 melliotkni...@gmail.com wrote:

 As for heady
 I usually like a good  Mixmaster Morris/Irresistible Force track or remix

 the Leaf label is pretty good, as well as ~scape records

 Jonah Sharp's Reflective Records had some really cool stuff - ambient to
 techno
 like Velocette who also had the Parallel record label

 MEK


 On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Michael Elliot-Knight 
 melliotkni...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bunch of old lables that many newer fans of Detroit techno may not know
 about because they aren't in business anymore.  Also some obscure artists.
 Not sure if other people don't rate them highly or if they just don't get
 talked about much anymore.

 Insync/Lee Purkis/10th Planet stuff
 Nubian Mindz
 Wild Planet/Simon J. Hartley
 4th Wave records - Wavescape, Downlink, Ian O'Brien
 Max Brennan
 Andi Hart/Deepart
 Dominic Stanton/Domu/Yotoko
 DiN records
 Eevo Lute http://www.discogs.com/artist/Jay+Denham records
 Jay Denham
 Elypsia records
 Santonio Echols
 Susumu Yokota
 Hydrogen Dukebox records
 LA Synthesis
 Lux Nigra records
 Aubrey/Allen Saei
 Jimi Tenor
 Jonathan Saul Kane/Depth Charge/Octagon Man and his D.C. Recordings label


 MEK



 On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Shaun Fogarty fogg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also Neuropolitique now the screens were, and Anokhi by Beaumont
 Hannant... Pushing the definition a bit, admittedly


 kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK, now that we've established that lurkers know how to send e-mail to
 the list ...

 This is an idea for a mix I'd like to do.  Here's the question: What
 is your favorite techno that no one else seems to rate highly?

 Extra points for being obscure.

 What's my impetus?  I buy a lot of records at thrift stores and from
 crawling around in the crates on the floor at Dave's in Chicago.  I look
 for things that might be OK based on producer, remixer and artists.  So I
 have a lot of records that have decent to excellent tracks on them, that
 for one reason or another never got much enduring attention.

 Since I can't crate dig in Detroit very often, I'm looking for those
 sorts of things, after which i can engage in Internet searchage.


 --
 Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: (313) Ask 313

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Bunch of old lables that many newer fans of Detroit techno may not know
about because they aren't in business anymore.  Also some obscure artists.
Not sure if other people don't rate them highly or if they just don't get
talked about much anymore.

Insync/Lee Purkis/10th Planet stuff
Nubian Mindz
Wild Planet/Simon J. Hartley
4th Wave records - Wavescape, Downlink, Ian O'Brien
Max Brennan
Andi Hart/Deepart
Dominic Stanton/Domu/Yotoko
DiN records
Eevo Lute http://www.discogs.com/artist/Jay+Denham records
Jay Denham
Elypsia records
Santonio Echols
Susumu Yokota
Hydrogen Dukebox records
LA Synthesis
Lux Nigra records
Aubrey/Allen Saei
Jimi Tenor
Jonathan Saul Kane/Depth Charge/Octagon Man and his D.C. Recordings label


MEK



On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Shaun Fogarty fogg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also Neuropolitique now the screens were, and Anokhi by Beaumont
 Hannant... Pushing the definition a bit, admittedly


 kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK, now that we've established that lurkers know how to send e-mail to
 the list ...

 This is an idea for a mix I'd like to do.  Here's the question: What is
 your favorite techno that no one else seems to rate highly?

 Extra points for being obscure.

 What's my impetus?  I buy a lot of records at thrift stores and from
 crawling around in the crates on the floor at Dave's in Chicago.  I look
 for things that might be OK based on producer, remixer and artists.  So I
 have a lot of records that have decent to excellent tracks on them, that
 for one reason or another never got much enduring attention.

 Since I can't crate dig in Detroit very often, I'm looking for those
 sorts of things, after which i can engage in Internet searchage.


 --
 Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: (313) Ask 313

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

As for heady
I usually like a good  Mixmaster Morris/Irresistible Force track or remix

the Leaf label is pretty good, as well as ~scape records

Jonah Sharp's Reflective Records had some really cool stuff - ambient to
techno
like Velocette who also had the Parallel record label

MEK

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Michael Elliot-Knight 
melliotkni...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bunch of old lables that many newer fans of Detroit techno may not know
 about because they aren't in business anymore.  Also some obscure artists.
 Not sure if other people don't rate them highly or if they just don't get
 talked about much anymore.

 Insync/Lee Purkis/10th Planet stuff
 Nubian Mindz
 Wild Planet/Simon J. Hartley
 4th Wave records - Wavescape, Downlink, Ian O'Brien
 Max Brennan
 Andi Hart/Deepart
 Dominic Stanton/Domu/Yotoko
 DiN records
 Eevo Lute http://www.discogs.com/artist/Jay+Denham records
 Jay Denham
 Elypsia records
 Santonio Echols
 Susumu Yokota
 Hydrogen Dukebox records
 LA Synthesis
 Lux Nigra records
 Aubrey/Allen Saei
 Jimi Tenor
 Jonathan Saul Kane/Depth Charge/Octagon Man and his D.C. Recordings label


 MEK



 On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Shaun Fogarty fogg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also Neuropolitique now the screens were, and Anokhi by Beaumont
 Hannant... Pushing the definition a bit, admittedly


 kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK, now that we've established that lurkers know how to send e-mail to
 the list ...

 This is an idea for a mix I'd like to do.  Here's the question: What is
 your favorite techno that no one else seems to rate highly?

 Extra points for being obscure.

 What's my impetus?  I buy a lot of records at thrift stores and from
 crawling around in the crates on the floor at Dave's in Chicago.  I look
 for things that might be OK based on producer, remixer and artists.  So I
 have a lot of records that have decent to excellent tracks on them, that
 for one reason or another never got much enduring attention.

 Since I can't crate dig in Detroit very often, I'm looking for those
 sorts of things, after which i can engage in Internet searchage.


 --
 Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: (313) Not quite 313 but close. Epic story about a failed Lil Louis show.

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Those poor promoters.  They should have walked away much earlier, when the
whole fiasco with the sorting out of who his official rep was.

I know they say they're the types who do it for the love of the music but
sometimes it is better off following the head and not the heart.
Especially when there's thousands of other people's dollars at stake.

MEK

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Mel N mymachines...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow I had no idea those forums got that long in like, 2 days...

 Can't believe the publicist went public, if the promotors had hired
 lawyers LL should have got his own lawyers quickly onto it to shut it down
 and negotiate an outcome.

 On my quick analysis if it was unlikely that the promotors would get their
 $ back the best thing for them was to just go public and win it that way
 (even if it meant it showed how naive they were). Sadly, to recover $12000
 by using lawyers is probably going to be a waste of $ - I can see a legal
 bill about $5000 at least (which would cover 10 - 15 hours work), totally
 not worth it.  Even if they got judgment there is the question of how it
 could be enforced.



 On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 6:06 AM, The Archiver 
 thearchi...@thearchiver.netwrote:

 That's absolute Gold!

 There was alarm bells ringing through the whole story, Lil Louis excuses
 are a bit thin , he'll lose the most from this as it's all over the web
 now.

 His Publicist needs to learn to stay out of forum debates. Even Marshall
 Jefferson has jumped to the defense of his friend.

 Even if the promoters were a bit naive, for him to take nearly €12,000 is
 out of order.  I can imagine promoters will think twice about booking him
 after this episode. I'm sure it happens lots of times that artist don't
 turn up and don't give the fee back. I've seen it happen here in Dublin.

 The Archiver


 On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mike Taylor disconihil...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 That is nothing, go read the 440+ comment long thread about this site
 on Resident Advisor.

 If you are looking for a message board trainwreck, this is a first
 rate example.

 m

 On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Patrick Wacher pwac...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  If you have about 30 mins to spare, go grab a coffee, a warm place by
 the
  fire and settle in and read this whole cluster between some Australian
  promoters and Lil Louis.
 
  It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion...
 
  http://www.whoislillouis.com/
 
  Enjoy!
  Patrick.

Re: (313) roll call?

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

I'm still around.  Obviously, otherwise you wouldn't be seeing this email.

Can't recall how long I've been subbed to 313.  I think I've had three
different email addresses now.
Well over ten years now.

Hi to all the old 313ers I haven't spoken to in a long while.

MEK



On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:16 AM, ulysses ulys...@scatalogics.com wrote:

 **

 Say it loud, I lurk and I'm proud.

 e

 --

 www.scatalogics.com

Re: (313) roll call?

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

 Hmm, not sure if my previous post showed up or not?

Been on the list for at least ten years now.  Lurking mostly now, here in
the great northern midwest, and also listening to more geetar/rock stuff
than techno.  But I've been going through my discogs.com want list and
culling a lot of old things I used to think I really needed.  Finding that
the older I've gotten the more pounding I like my techno.  Also weirder
things.  Strangely, drum  bass has been popular in my playlist as it was
never something I got into years back.

Haven't bought a new techno/house/electronic record in ages.

MEK



On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Andy Green mr.verd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hehe,


 I was going to mention that chance meeting actually (was cool) Its
 actually quite surprising how small the community really is but for me I
 feel quite privileged to be part of such discerning and knowledgeable
 group. As a measure of how small this group really i know a reasonable
 number of you thru the London techno  clubbing scene.sadly it's
 noticeable how we're all 'maturing' without much evidence of fresh young
 faces coming on board.

 Despite following  the music from day 1 I'm not really sure why it took so
 long to subscribe (only 3 years ago!) but I've enjoyed reading the posts
 and my continued education.

 I think the music is in a healthy state; certainly plenty of good releases
 and the healthier state of vinyl seems to be helping.Loving the stuff
 from Sistrum, Aesthetic Audio,  Soirée,  Moods and Grooves and the Delano
 Smith/mike huckaby works on various imprints.  loving the new Hood and
 Terrence Dixons LP too.

 Chicago seems to be providing some great music too from the new school of
 artists like Hakim Murphy, Amir Alexander, Steve Tang Chicago Skyway and
 Specter.  Like some of the D above beautifully blurring house and techno
 into lush and deep vibes.

 I'm all set for my 1st trip to Movement next yeara meet up would be
 most welcome.

 Cheers,  Andy

 On 28 Nov 2012, at 21:55, KiDD*e 3...@qui-design.fr wrote:

 Nice to hear so many people on the list.
 As for me, I subscribed in the late 90’s.
 Like it happened some weeks ago with Andrew Green, it’s always great to
 meet others 313 technotourists subscribers.

 I went to the Jeff Mills Axis 20th anniversary party in Paris last week,
 and this next friday Derrick May is at the Rex club, so my Detroit-Techno
 needs are really fulfil :)

 Enjoy,
 — K*

 Le 28/11/2012 21:57, Tristan Watkins a écrit :

  Present. Here since '98 I think.
  --
 From: Dimitris
 Sent: 28/11/2012 20:17
 To: Eric Lyons
 Cc: Danielle Scott; maxphi...@gmail.com; 313@hyperreal.org;
 mar...@nomorewords.net
 Subject: Re: (313) roll call?

 Still here. Lurking from the birthplace of philosophy.

 - Dimitris


 On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Eric Lyons e...@blubuni.com wrote:

  Lurking from Los Angeles!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 28, 2012, at 6:32 AM, Danielle Scott ellei...@gmail.com wrote:

Still lurkung here too!
 On 2012-11-28 9:16 AM, maxphi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm still here - writing from a train on the way from Hamburg to Berlin.

 Anyone else?

 m50


 At 2012.11.28 11 2012.11.28%2011:47, Marsel van der Wielen wrote:

 how many subscribers are left anyway?

 and will there be a 20 years anniversary party?


 Op 28-11-2012 11:46, Philip McGarva schreef:

 btw i haven't been lurking for like 5 years - i just resubbed. it's
 good to be back!

Re: (313) roll call?

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Wow - this is weird seeing all these old names pop up in my mailbox after
so many years.

Nice to see you all again!

MEK

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:04 PM, darnistle darnis...@cafe-ebola.com wrote:

 Still here lurking.

 Though I try, my own silence is often difficult to overcome.

(313) John Peel Archive now online

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

This is absolutely phenomenal:

This is the start of an incredibly exciting journey. To make the contents
of John Peel’s personal record collection - one of the most important and
eclectic modern music collections in the world - available to the public
for the first time, is an incredible honour.

We really can’t wait to start revealing the contents of John’s amazing
collection week by week, and we know from all of the media coverage, emails
and messages, that you’re all as excited as us. The project had loads of
great press coverage when our funding was announced, but some of it got a
few of the facts muddled, so we thought we’d better just tell you, here in
our own words, exactly what the project is all about.

John Peel’s vast record collection contains over 26,000 LP’s, 40,000
singles and many thousands of CDs - it really is quite awesome. With the
help and support of John’s family, we are taking the first steps in making
John’s amazing collection available through an interactive online archive.
The John Peel Archive is featuring on The Space
http://www.thespace.org/- an Arts Council funded and BBC supported
digital arts service, which will
be available for 26 weeks from May - October 2012. The £3.5 million funding
for The Space is being shared between 53 different arts projects, of which
ours is one.

Because of the tight timescales and the funding only running until October,
what we are doing on The Space is very much only the beginning of what we
hope will be an even more exciting project. In the long term, and with
extra funding, we hope to release the entire contents of John’s huge
collection.

In the meantime, we have done a lot thinking and talking with John’s family
about how best to make his unique collection available within the
constraints, and how we can do it in a way that people can really engage
with.

After some deliberation we decided that the best way to start the process
was to release the details of the first 100 albums, listed alphabetically,
from each letter of the alphabet each week. So on 1st May we will release
the first 100 A's, on 8th May the first 100 B's, 15th May first 100 C's,
and so on.

We also hope that by doing it on a week by week basis, you will keep coming
back week after week, eager and excited to explore more of John’s
collection.

Each of these releases of 100 records will be accompanied by one mini
documentary video of a featured artiste for that week. These are pretty
special, as the artistes have been chosen by Sheila, John’s wife, and their
children - so they are all artistes who meant something to John and his
family.

When you come to the website you will see John Peel’s home studio, from
which you will be able to access the contents of the record collection as
it is added each week, as well as other videos added each week, photos,
peel sessions and radio shows. Once in the collection you will be able to
move up and down the shelves of the record collection, picking out certain
choice records and going through the first 100 as though you were standing
in front of the shelves in John’s studio.

You will be able to see the hand-typed cards that John diligently typed for
every album in the collection, the record sleeves, as well as listening to
tracks via spotify and itunes where available.

And because we know that John meant a great deal to many people, we will be
helping you to connect with other music lovers and Peel fans through our
John Peel Archive social media accounts (see below). Look out for
never-before seen material, like letters to John, being exclusively
released via social media. This will also be a great way to stay up to date
with new material being released each week - so please do ‘follow’, ‘like’
and say hello - we want to hear from you and your stories of John.

In our heads throughout the planning process, has been making sure that we
do John (and his fans) proud and ensure that the legacy of this legendary
man lives on.

We hope you like the John Peel Archive - and that John would have done too.



Tom Barker

Director

John Peel Centre for Creative
Artshttp://www.johnpeelcentreforcreativearts.co.uk/


http://thespace.org/items/s04u

Re: (313) Silly fanboy collectors question...

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Greg Earle ea...@isolar.dyndns.orgwrote:

FAC 2 A Factory Sample signed by Hooky (Lowered its value - Benn
Glazier)

LOL!

Re: (313) Silly fanboy collectors question...

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

I do have two that come to mind right away

Billy Bragg - Peel Sessions (very non-313 I know)
I was writing for a local music rag and was sent out to interview him.
I've been a fan of his for ages (ever since Talking About Poetry to the
Taxman came out) and took along three or four record to the interview.  He
was having an in-store singing session for his, at the time, new album
Mermaid Avenue.  I had to get in line with everyone else in order to get an
item signed so I did.  I was flipping through the records trying to decide
which record I would ask him to sign.  Seemed like most people had the
William Bloke or Mermaid Ave.  So I pulled out the Peel Session record
- which if you've seen Peel Session records they are unmistakable.  He
looked at it and said, Whoa! Haven't seen that one for a long time. I was
a bit chuffed because ever since I got it around 1987 I played it
religiously and for years after it was my absolute favourite record, of
which I told him.  He was signing all the records with a thick silver ink
marker and if you've seen the Peel Session records you know they are silver
and black.  So he signed his name really large across the entire box of
band names that are on the cover in silver ink - which I have always
thought looked really cool.  It's one of my most prized records.  The
interview, however, never occurred because he was nursing a sore throat and
had to keep his talking down to a minimum to perform later that night.
That was his excuse, I know he's always been shy of the press though.  No
matter - I was happy just to hang out with him the rest of the afternoon.

The other is also Larry Heard.
I had him sign Alien, again, my favourite by him.  I was part of a
production team that did a semi-regular house night and as sort of a
present to me from my friend (the DJ/promoter) he booked Larry Heard in
2005.  We all went out to dinner the night before and my friend made sure I
was seated next to Mr Heard.  Had a nice, if somewhat nervous,
conversation.  The following night was the gig so I, again, grabbed a few
Mr Fingers/Larry Heard records but decided on Alien.  We were standing
behind the stage when I asked him if he was willing to sign a record. I did
feel like a total dorky fanboy but he very nice about it.  He's actually
one of the nicest DJs I've ever met.  When I took Alien out of my bag
Larry told me that it's one of his favourites from his entire career
because it's so different from everything else he had done.  We chatted
briefly about the record and then some other people asked him to sign some
items, which he did just as pleasantly as he had with me.  A total gent.

Since I've been working in the music business in publishing and licensing
for a few years I do have a bunch of other signed items but they are even
less 313 related.
One other item I have signed, that isn't really 313 but was a funny
experience was when I was in Bristol a number of years ago - 2004 or '05 I
think.  I was invited there because I had licensed a piece of music and the
artist invited me over to the UK for some potential other business.  While
I was there I given the tour of the city (basically where all the 2nd hand
record shops are).  My friend introduced me to one called Prime Cuts which
was in the basement of a vintage clothing shop.  It was a choice little
shop with a good selection.  I got to talking with the shop owner, Mike
Savage, and as it turned out I was familiar with a book he helped write
called Naked Vinyl.  I spent a great deal of time in his shop that day and
made a plan to find a copy of the book there in Bristol and have him sign
it.  I went around to about 10 different book stores and finally found a
copy.  The next day I went down to his shop and he signed the book: From
one Michael to another, Enjoy these big titties! Naked Vinyl is a book
about album cover art featuring nude women.  LOL  Then, as I was doing a
bit more digging around his shop it began to rain rather hard.  Being in
the basement, his shop began to flood and sections of his store were in
danger drowning.  So, he put me in charge of the cash register while he
went about getting records off the ground and bailing water.  Made for a
very interesting afternoon.


MEK

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:17 PM, ja...@iridite.com ja...@iridite.comwrote:

 .so, how many of you out there have signed records in your
 collection?  I don't mean ones you've picked up in a store (I still
 kick myself after all these years remembering passing up a complete
 set of signed and sealed Transmat and Fragile releases in Ruadub
 because they were £1 more expensive than the normal copies and I had
 the majority of the tracks anyway)...I mean the ones you've actually
 taken the time and bother to drag down to a club night where somebody
 you totally respect is about to play and you run up to them with a
 silver or black marker and...well, you know the rest :)

 Tonight, whilst going through my vinyl for the first time in a LONG
 time, I 

Re: (313) Shake in SF

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

ga!

that's the week *after* we get back from SF

:-(

MEK

james.hurl...@utoronto.ca wrote on 05/11/2011 07:30:33 PM:

 From: james.hurl...@utoronto.ca
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Date: 05/11/2011 07:31 PM
 Subject: (313) Shake in SF
 
 Good news for noCal folks not going to Detroit, bad news for those of 
 us that are :)
 
 http://www.xlr8r.com/events/2011/05/icee-hot-creep-anthony-shake-sha
 
 Making his first ever SF appearance will be Hyperdub/Rinse 
 FM-associated purveyor of dark UK funky Scratcha DVA along with 
 absolutely legendary Detroit techno madman Anthony Shake Shakir, who 
 admittedly can't remember ever playing in SF before, so we're going to 
 go ahead and call it his first SF appearance as well.
 



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(313) mid/late 90s minimal techno mixes?

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Hey y'all

Anyone have a link to some old school minimal techno mixes? 
Would really like to find the real pounding bangers that were recorded 
back then and somehow preserved for my enjoyment of all things back in 
the day.
Doesn't have to be strictly Detroit for me - 

thanks

MEK


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Re: (313) 313

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

I really like the line about feeling like a comic book hero

MEK

kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote on 04/28/2011 07:52:08 AM:

 From: kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com
 To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org
 Date: 04/28/2011 07:52 AM
 Subject: Re: (313) 313
 
 Hah. A song title if ever I heard one.
 
 On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 4:02 AM, shakirt...@aol.com 
 shakirt...@aol.com wrote:
  313 I bought my first house



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Re: (313) 313

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

That's the Williams Fairey Brass Band
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_Brass

I think it's actually brilliant - shows the music can be translated into 
other forms and has life outside of a tiny audience

MEK

Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com wrote on 04/27/2011 11:15:00 AM:

 From: Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com
 To: Odeluga, Ken ken.odel...@dowjones.com
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org
 Date: 04/27/2011 11:15 AM
 Subject: Re: (313) 313
 
 
 On 27 Apr 2011, at 16:38, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
  
  
  
  
  Instead, here's something fun, but maybe not for Derrick May 
 anyone (not!) seen this:
  
  http://is.gd/Gkj5vJ
  
 
 You'd have to be gutted, although permission may be out of his handsto 
be fair
 
 m


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Re: (313) 313

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Hey all

Been a long time just reading 313 emails but haven't sent any out.

I wish I could say I was going around to every record store in town this 
weekend but I'm not.
Actually, saving money for an upcoming trip to San Francisco.  An 
afternoon at Amoeba will be my delayed record store day.
I tend to stay away from record stores on their official day - just too 
many people in stores that never shop in record stores.  Kind of a pain in 
the butt imo.

By the way, has anyone let Shake know that his email account has been 
hijacked?

MEK

irid...@gmail.com wrote on 04/15/2011 09:59:25 AM:

 From: ja...@iridite.com ja...@iridite.com
 To: Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com
 Cc: list 313 313@hyperreal.org
 Date: 04/15/2011 09:59 AM
 Subject: Re: (313) 313
 Sent by: irid...@gmail.com
 
 Too true!  What's everyone doing for Record Shop Day?
 
 cheers
 
 Jason
 
 On 15 April 2011 09:36, Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com wrote:
  Shall we have a 313 post day?
 
  It's kinda sad that the below is this weeks traffic :(
 
  m
 
  On 14 Apr 2011, at 21:59,
 
  313 I can't even begin to explain how good I feel http://
 ftlauderdalecruise.com/searchresult-g_common_BH.php?
 CS=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uYmMxMG9uLmNvbS8/a2Q4Mmgx once you start this 
 business you will be forever satisfied with the results don't just 
 sit there and think about it come on and try it if you are truly 
 tired of the daily stresses of working for someone else then try 
 this everything is going amazing for me since i started this
 
 
 
 



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Re: (313) Research question about vinyl manipulation

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

I've never heard of it being done and I can't imagine it would work very 
well - any adhesive along the seam would stand a good chance of seeping 
into the grooves thus producing an obstacle for the needle

Also, having seen enough microscopic images of vinyl record grooves I can 
tell you that the grooves of two different records will not line up well 
enough for the needle to track.
Once the needle hits the seam it's going to bounce out of that groove.  At 
best you could, if very lucky, find two records that might work but you'd 
have to use a microscope to find a matching point between the two at any 
point along their grooves.  What more, if you were lucky enough to get the 
needle to track at one point I would bet money that upon reaching the 180 
degree rotation the groove won't match and the needle will bounce.

MEK

Denise Dalphond ddalp...@umail.iu.edu wrote on 11/03/2010 05:08:48 PM:

 From: Denise Dalphond ddalp...@umail.iu.edu
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Date: 11/03/2010 05:09 PM
 Subject: (313) Research question about vinyl manipulation
 
 Hi all,
 
 Has anyone ever done or heard of anyone doing the following IN DETROIT:
 
 Physically manipulating a piece of vinyl by cutting it down the middle
 exactly and then gluing it to another half of vinyl so that the
 grooves match up and it can actually play? Or any other kind of
 dramatic vinyl manipulation? I'm thinking of things beyond concentric
 grooves, groove reversal (starting a record from the inside to play
 outward), and looped grooves.
 
 Feel free to message me directly if you'd rather. Thanks!
 
 -- 
 Denise Dalphond
 Ph.D. Candidate
 Department of Folklore  Ethnomusicology
 Indiana University
 http://denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com/



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Re: (313) Aarron Carl has passed

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Aaron- Carl is free of pain and suffering.  Bless his spirit and watch 
over his family.

MEK

kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote on 09/30/2010 08:16:57 AM:

 From: kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com
 To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org
 Date: 09/30/2010 08:17 AM
 Subject: (313) Aarron Carl has passed
 
 Those of you up early in the US who checked Facebook or Twitter
 already know this, but Aaron Carl Ragland died overnight, having just
 started chemotherapy for a just-diagnosed cancer.  This is a terrible
 loss for Aaron's family, Detroit, and the world.
 
 I didn't know the man well, other than a couple of long conversations
 earlier this year on the phone.  I was impressed by his drive to make
 things happen in Detroit, not just for himself, or for Detroit Dance
 Music (though they were things he loved DEEP, second only to his
 family and friends) but the next generations of kids.
 
 Aaron was openly, flamboyantly gay man who came out at a time and
 place where it was a lot easier to stay on the down low.  The Detroit
 dance scene is a lot more open and accepting than the wider culture,
 but it's a brave man who's willing to be honest with the whole world
 the way AC was. Aaron presented himself transcended his sexuality, it
 represented an openness and honesty that's an example for everyone.
 Aaron was genuine, authentic, true, no bullsh*t.
 
 And he was funny as hell too. Inexplicably, he was afraid of trees --
 can you watch this and not laugh?
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJVdtEzUJII
 
 The W.A.R.M.T.H. Wallshaker Compilation he put out last December was
 a great example of what Aaron Carl could do -- bring people together
 under a positive vibe.  That's what I'll be listening to today, and if
 you don't yet have it, you can listen to the mix I made of it:
 
 http://www.cornwarning.com/chaircrusher/Chaircrusher-WallshakerMix.mp3
 
 AC I love you, and I hope you're slapping skin with Ron Hardy and
 Arthur Russell and James Stinson about now, and they've got your crate
 by the tables waiting for you.



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Re: (313) 'Detroit 1-8-7' Filmed In The City

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

A bit of a double edged sword - while it brings in money to the city and 
supports local film and television industry it really doesn't do much for 
the image of the city and the positive things that are going on there.

MEK

Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com wrote on 08/02/2010 04:25:48 AM:

 From: Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com
 To: Odeluga, Ken ken.odel...@dowjones.com
 Cc: Three-One-Three 313@hyperreal.org
 Date: 08/02/2010 04:25 AM
 Subject: Re: (313) 'Detroit 1-8-7' Filmed In The City
 
 ?1-8-7 is another way to say homicide. We think it?s cool and 
 represents the visual identity of the show, ? 
 
 I'd love to hear him say that in a bar on 8-mile, what a prick.
 
 On 2 Aug 2010, at 10:17, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
 
  Controversy of course. Or at least fake controversy. Will it have 
 any Detroit electronic music?
  http://m.deadline.com/2010/08/tca-no-title-change-for-detroit-1-8-7/
  [Sorry if you get this twice, the list server doesn't like me much
 right now, second attempt.]
  Ken
 



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Re: (313) 'Detroit 1-8-7' Filmed In The City

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

The pilot for the show was shot in Atlanta.  The actual show is supposed 
to be filmed in and around the 313.

MEK

kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote on 08/02/2010 10:51:02 AM:

 From: kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com
 To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org
 Date: 08/02/2010 10:51 AM
 Subject: Re: (313) 'Detroit 1-8-7' Filmed In The City
 
 I'd be more worried that the show portrays the Detroit police in a
 more positive light than they deserve.
 
 At any rate this show won't take place in Detroit, it will take place
 in Detroit.  And the subtext will be, like all cop shows, that cops
 are good and brown people are criminals.
 
 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Michael Elliot-Knight
 michael.elliot-kni...@fallon.com wrote:
  A bit of a double edged sword - while it brings in money to the city 
and
  supports local film and television industry it really doesn't do much 
for
  the image of the city and the positive things that are going on there.
 
  MEK
 
  Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com wrote on 08/02/2010 04:25:48 AM:
 
  ?1-8-7 is another way to say homicide. We think it?s cool and
  represents the visual identity of the show, ?
 
  I'd love to hear him say that in a bar on 8-mile, what a prick.
 
  On 2 Aug 2010, at 10:17, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
 
   Controversy of course. Or at least fake controversy. Will it have
  any Detroit electronic music?
   
http://m.deadline.com/2010/08/tca-no-title-change-for-detroit-1-8-7/



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Re: (313) 'Detroit 1-8-7' Filmed In The City

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

According to IMDB.com the filming took place in both Atlanta, Georgia and 
also Allen Park, MI

I think the rest of the show is supposed to be filmed in Detroit.  They've 
dropped the documentary style of the show though in the wake of the 
tragic shooting death during the filming of The First 48.

MEK

kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote on 08/02/2010 10:51:02 AM:

 From: kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com
 To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org
 Date: 08/02/2010 10:51 AM
 Subject: Re: (313) 'Detroit 1-8-7' Filmed In The City
 
 I'd be more worried that the show portrays the Detroit police in a
 more positive light than they deserve.
 
 At any rate this show won't take place in Detroit, it will take place
 in Detroit.  And the subtext will be, like all cop shows, that cops
 are good and brown people are criminals.
 
 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Michael Elliot-Knight
 michael.elliot-kni...@fallon.com wrote:
  A bit of a double edged sword - while it brings in money to the city 
and
  supports local film and television industry it really doesn't do much 
for
  the image of the city and the positive things that are going on there.
 
  MEK
 
  Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com wrote on 08/02/2010 04:25:48 AM:
 
  ?1-8-7 is another way to say homicide. We think it?s cool and
  represents the visual identity of the show, ?
 
  I'd love to hear him say that in a bar on 8-mile, what a prick.
 
  On 2 Aug 2010, at 10:17, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
 
   Controversy of course. Or at least fake controversy. Will it have
  any Detroit electronic music?
   
http://m.deadline.com/2010/08/tca-no-title-change-for-detroit-1-8-7/



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Re: (313) Russ Gabriel Feature Tonight (Wild Kingdom Warning)

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Ooh, nice!  Russ Gabriel is one of my faves. Will be good to catch up on 
his recent stuff (I haven't visited his myspace page in a while). 

MEK

Richard Hester gwrenc...@sbcglobal.net wrote on 05/29/2010 06:18:40 PM:

 From: Richard Hester gwrenc...@sbcglobal.net
 To: i...@hyperreal.org, 313@hyperreal.org, defsf-annou...@defsf.com
 Date: 05/29/2010 06:18 PM
 Subject: (313) Russ Gabriel Feature Tonight (Wild Kingdom Warning)
 
 Tonight's Wild Kingdom (and next week's) features an introduction to the 

 work of British producer Russ Gabriel, a name that should be heard a lot 

 more often hereabouts.  Tonight's program starts out with his first 
 release '93 release under his own name on Ferox, and goes up to '98. 
 Nest week, it'll be his work from '98 to the present. Last week's 
 playlist is at http://www.kfjc.org/music/playlist.php?i=35420 . For 
 amusement, you might want to check out a Country-Western special I did 
 yesterday - playlist is at 
http://www.kfjc.org/music/playlist.php?i=35462 .
 
 Check the Mayhem calendar at www.kfjc.org for other specials that may be 

 of interest - you never know.
 
 Limited time archives for all shows on KFJC (including this one) are 
 available at http://www.kfjc.org/broadcast_archives/ . These are 
 rolling archives, available for two weeks after any given show. My 
 shows are listed under Goodwrench. Send comments and suggestions to 
 i...@kfjc.org .
 
 The Wild Kingdom airs on KFJC-FM 89.7, Saturday night/Sunday Morning, 
 12A-3A (8A-10A GMT). Potential listeners outside the San Francisco Bay 
 area can find a webcast at http://www.kfjc.org/netcast/index.php . 
 Present and past Wild Kingdom playlists are also archived at kfjc.org. 
 You can also check out archived playlists from my first KFJC show Just 
 Desserts that was on Fridays 10P-2A from 1992 through 1999. Archived 
 playlists exist for that show starting from Fall 1995 to New Year's Eve 
 1999/2000, so you can see what what I'm up to these days is pretty much 
 consistent with what I was up to all along.
 
 If you do tune in (especially via the web), please take a little time to 

 let me know your locale. I'm also interested in promo music from all 
 over and in promoting local (San Francisco Bay area) techno-type events. 

 If you want to do some promotion for an event, contact the KFJC 
 promotions department at pr...@kfjc.org to arrange ticket giveaways 
 and/or to send information for inclusion in our concert outlook. Thanks 
 to those who have sent promo music so far.
 
 Regards,
 
 Richard Hester
 Mr. Goodwrench
 The Wild Kingdom
 SU 12A-3A
 KFJC-FM 89.7,
 Los Altos Hills, California



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Re: (313) DEMF prediction

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

And just my luck... I'll miss hearing this on a big rig. 

Mamma mia!

MEK

Placid pla...@acid-house.net wrote on 05/19/2010 01:13:48 PM:

 From: Placid pla...@acid-house.net
 To: Robin Pinning robin.pinn...@me.com
 Cc: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org
 Date: 05/19/2010 01:27 PM
 Subject: Re: (313) DEMF prediction
 
 i reckon it'll be this
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsg73N0eUZk
 
 p
 On 19 May 2010, at 19:11, Robin Pinning wrote:
 
  Ok, we're a week off but my prediction for most played tune at 
 DEMF is Greg Gow's 'The Bridge'.
  
  Any others?
  
  robin...
  
  Ps. I know this goes contrary to my previous posts on this 
 Transmat release but I've heard Kenny Larkin play this out recently :)
 
 



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Re: (313) Steve Reid

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Very sad (but he was battling cancer so I hope there is some relief 
somewhere in there)...

He was a giant among drummers.  I got turned on a bit late to Reid with 
Daxaar and it blew my mind. 
Recommended listening for everyone.

MEK

fran...@thatamazingthing.com wrote on 04/13/2010 06:48:27 AM:

 Now this is a bit more off topic.  And possibly very sad.
 
 I just heard Steve Reid has passed.  But this was on FB and there 
 have been false rumours before.  I tried googling  Google
 currently won't search on him (it thinks the term is being used by a
 virus / spyware, which I take to mean lots of people are
 googling the same term at once).
 



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(313) Larry Cassidy - Section 25 (Factory Records) RIP

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Larry Cassidy - the leader of Section 25 has died


http://www.section25.com/

http://johnrobb77.wordpress.com/2010/02/27/larry-cassidysection-25-rip/


I'm gutted - they were one of my favorite Factory Records bands (and I'm a 
huge obsessiv fan of the label)
incredibly influential upon other bands (and I'm sure there are tons that 
don't even realize it)
almost entirely overlooked by even most indie rock fans but absolutely 
amazing band

RIP Larry - my condolences to your partner and children

MEK




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Re: (313) my WTF Facebook moment for the night

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Well, having just acquired the Hall and Oats box set I must say they're 
serious soul boys.  Their earliest releases were straight up Philly soul.
They have been sampled quite a bit by house music producers.

Chromeo - now there's some straight up retro 80s overkill bandwagon 
jumping cheese right there

but hey, if they're playing Bonaroo this year and so is Stevie Wonder... 
they should go big and try to book Stevie

Kevin is smack on the point though with the Paxahau/Zappa title comparison

Hey, wasn't Carl Craig supposed to be curating it again?  I thought there 
was a press release some time back about that.
Whatever happened to that?
Sorry if this has been covered previously,  I haven't been paying much 
attention to the list discussions as I've been in deep into 
Free/Spiritual Jazz world lately
Can someone repost to me the original email that kicked off this 
discussion?


MEK

Kevin Kennedy the...@gmail.com wrote on 02/10/2010 10:46:12 AM:

 I found this thread to be interesting.  The issue I have with it is
 not that Hall and Oates aren't relevant to electronic music.  But do
 we really need to push this word of influence any further?  I remember
 them being described as blue-eyed soul.  White Motown?  This
 doesn't have to do with colour for me, but I bring this up for one
 reason-Gillespie and others have latched on to this idea saying that
 hall and oates are as relevant as the other acts being booked for the
 festival.  Sure they are.  I guess I remember it being called the
 Detroit Electronic Music Festival not the Artists Who Are All
 Influenced By Detroit and its Various Sounds and Want to Play in
 Detroit to Validate Their Career Festival.
 
  I just say that whereas I agree with this thing in principle (I
 know it won't happen unless it's Chromeo and Darryl Hall), I also
 think that we all are forgetting that Paxahau is like a Frank Zappa
 album title:  were only in this for the money.
 
 So if it will make dollars, it will make sense.  they'll have a
 publicist tell us why it's relevant, and someone to corral us into a
 line for tickets.
 
  Oh. and since I'm not from the D, take what I say with a grain of 
salt.
 
 
 
 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:27 AM, lisa uberg...@optonline.net wrote:
  perhaps Oates' moustache could be the opening act, I hear there are 
people
  in Detroit with moustaches who listen to techno ...
 
  http://www.facebook.com/pages/John-Oates-Moustache/30246389654
 
  lisa
 
 
  telepat...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  Maybe Paxahau should book the CARS. They have nothing to do with
  Detroit-Techno, they don't play live anymore but at least they named
  themselves after something made in Detroit. ; P
  telepathic regards, the Kooky Scientist
 
  - Original Message - From: Denise Dalphond
  ddalp...@umail.iu.edu To: telepat...@comcast.net Cc: list 313
  313@hyperreal.org, kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Tuesday,
  February 9, 2010 10:11:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
 Subject: Re: (313)
  my WTF Facebook moment for the night
  Yeah, I know, but I seriously think it's coming from a strong local 
desire
  to expand musical genres that are presented at the festival - like 
George
  Clinton, De La Soul, or Saul Williams in earlier years. And maybe 
this is
  contrary to popular opinion/assumption, but Detroit techno and 
 house artists
  in Detroit are really not genre police. Most folks are way more 
interested
  in educating people about all the different kinds of music that have 
been
  and continue to be influential to Detroit techno...and house, and 
electro,
  and booty, and on and on.
  Denise
  On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:57 PM, telepat...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  When I think of Detroit Techno, Hall  Oates always pops into my 
head...
  NOT !
  telepathic regards, the kooky scientist
  PS. If I get asked to play I will work on a technofied Hall  Oates
  section of my set.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 fbk
 
 sleepengineering/absoloop US



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Re: (313) Silly prices?

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

So much for Never sold to the public

UR should conduct an interrogation of their soldiers to see who sold them 
to the public.  LOL

MEK

robin ro...@fivetones.org wrote on 12/14/2009 04:07:56 PM:

 Maybe. The Clarence G thing was probs a stooge sale.
 
 robin...
 
 
 
 On 14 Dec 2009, at 21:55, Matt Kane's Brain mkb.dirty...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
  Still cheaper than the Clarence G record.
 
  On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 16:50, robin ro...@fivetones.org wrote:
 
  This will make you smile:
 
  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/UNDERGROUND-RESISTANCE-z-tracks-blue-
 DREXCIYA-UR-SID_W0QQitemZ200416761677QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Records?
 hash=item2ea9c5174d#ht_871wt_913
 
  robin...
 
 
 
 
  -- 
  matt kane's brain
  http://hydrogenproject.com
  capoeira in boston http://capoeirageraisboston.com
  aim - mkbatwerk ; y! - mkb218 ; gtalk - mkb.dirtyorg



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Re: (313) Moritz in 1984

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Cool - I really like Palais Schaumburg and a lot of the other NDW bands 
(the less commercial ones)
this past summer I picked up their LP Lupa at a record swap

always keeping my eye out for the NDW bands

MEK

southernoutp...@gmail.com wrote on 12/03/2009 04:01:46 AM:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohytG5wyFvk
 
 Nice dance moves!



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Re: (313) Beatport Apparel?

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

I'd love to have me a Groovetech t-shirt just to show how flippin' old 
skool I am
;-)

MEK

mistamuthaf...@yahoo.com wrote on 11/10/2009 01:53:14 PM:

 Kent, I fully agree with you.  I hate it when a company sells its 
 own promotional items.  Shirts should be free, no matter what the 
 company it is. 
 
 Then again, some companies survive on merchandising. 
 
 Jeff
 --Original Message--
 From: kent williams
 To: list 313
 Sent: Nov 10, 2009 11:24 AM
 Subject: (313) Beatport Apparel?
 
 Why leave strangers wondering if you're a douchebag, when you can wear
 a Beatport T Shirt and remove all doubt?
 
 
http://www.beatportbrandshop.com/?utm_campaign=bp_brandshop_launch_111009
 
 The most interesting thing to deconstruct here is the price.  They're
 paying about $7 per shirt delivered, and charging $24 (and $28 for
 women, which is rank discrimination imho), which means they're selling
 Design and Image here, not just trying to promote their business.  Are
 there really people out there who think it's worth a $15-20 premium to
 have a shirt advertising that they buy downloads from Beatport?
 
 And I'll pre-respond -- yes I know respected 313-ers work at Beatport
 now, and I know it's not really about Detroit techno.  It just vexed
 me.
 
 
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Re: (313) Beatport Apparel?

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Because Record Time isn't primarily an online provider of vinyl like 
Groovetech (comparing it to Beatport's service)... and because Groovetech 
is defunct and because I wasn't being serious

that's why not record-time

MEK

PB textur...@gmail.com wrote on 11/10/2009 03:08:13 PM:

 Why not record-time?

 On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Michael Elliot-Knight Michael.
 elliot-kni...@fallon.com wrote:
 I'd love to have me a Groovetech t-shirt just to show how flippin' old
 skool I am
 ;-)
 
 MEK
 
 mistamuthaf...@yahoo.com wrote on 11/10/2009 01:53:14 PM:
 
  Kent, I fully agree with you.  I hate it when a company sells its
  own promotional items.  Shirts should be free, no matter what the
  company it is.
 
  Then again, some companies survive on merchandising.
 
  Jeff
  --Original Message--
  From: kent williams
  To: list 313
  Sent: Nov 10, 2009 11:24 AM
  Subject: (313) Beatport Apparel?
 
  Why leave strangers wondering if you're a douchebag, when you can wear
  a Beatport T Shirt and remove all doubt?
 
 
 
http://www.beatportbrandshop.com/?utm_campaign=bp_brandshop_launch_111009
 
  The most interesting thing to deconstruct here is the price.  They're
  paying about $7 per shirt delivered, and charging $24 (and $28 for
  women, which is rank discrimination imho), which means they're selling
  Design and Image here, not just trying to promote their business.  Are
  there really people out there who think it's worth a $15-20 premium to
  have a shirt advertising that they buy downloads from Beatport?
 
  And I'll pre-respond -- yes I know respected 313-ers work at Beatport
  now, and I know it's not really about Detroit techno.  It just vexed
  me.


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Re: (313) beatportal 20 tracks every techno fan should know

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

we do not claim to come even close with this list. 

then why bother?

then again, it's not a top 20 list - as in the best examples of the field
just a list of tunes they think every techno fan should know
imo, I don't see, even with their explanation, why it's essential to know 
Damon Wild's 2112 
or Richie Hawtin's Minus/Orange 1 

it seems to be a list that hints at hey, if you're going to go see Richie 
Hawtin dj you better know these tunes


MEK

kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote on 09/08/2009 01:11:51 PM:

 
http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-should-know/

 
 Let the beatport hating  begin ;-)
 
 Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is
 represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea of
 what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a lot
 whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are
 reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough*
 
 I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ techno 
 tracks' list.



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Re: (313) beatportal 20 tracks every techno fan should know

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

I've come across a few people who consider themselves techno producers who 
don't like anything having to do with Detroit

(and, being good little ignorant idiots, they've played at afterhours 
parties @ Movement)

MEK

kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote on 09/08/2009 01:55:09 PM:

 I think the Beatportal list reflects an idea of techno as strictly
 having the 4 to the floor beat.  A lot of the early tracks had more of
 an Electro beat.
 
 I have a friend in Seattle who was an old school raver, was (and is) a
 good techno producer, and he'd didn't know Strings Of Life and
 dismissed it as a big room hands in the air house anthem.
 
 You can't assume everyone agrees about even what techno is, at this
 point.  And while Detroit techno fans think of their definition is the
 one true techno, you will have a hard time convincing people that it
 is, in fact, the real techno.
 
 
 On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Lori Drapergirly...@gmail.com wrote:
  Agreed, No UFOs or at least Cybotron's Techno City should be on this. 
WTF.
 
  On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, David Powerscybo...@gmail.com wrote:
  While debatable, the list was better than I expected. 25% Detroit is
  pretty good considering it's only one city in the world.
 
  If I was doing the list I would put in No UFO's or Cosmic Cars 
and
  something by Derrick May.
 
  ~DP
 
  On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Frank Glazer cpe1704...@gmail.com 
wrote:
  I think we can all agree that the inclusion of several Hawtin or at
  least Hawtin related (lots of Probe on there!) tracks at the 
exclusion
  of anything by any of the Belleville Three is laughable at best,
  disgusting at worst.  Though kudos to UR's inclusion on the list. 
 My
  top 20 to follow.
 
  On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, kent 
 williamschaircrus...@gmail.com wrote:
  http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/20-tracks-every-techno-fan-
 should-know/
 
  Let the beatport hating  begin ;-)
 
  Any list like this is subjective, of course. But while Detroit is
  represented on this list, it sure tilts towards the european idea 
of
  what comprises techno. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's a 
lot
  whiter that I'd go, and includes some tracks that I think are
  reductive and boring. *cough* Swedish *cough*
 
  I'm sure a lot of you can come up with your own '20 _real_ 
 techno tracks' list.
 
 
 
 
  --
  peace,
 
  frank
 
  dj mix archive:  http://www.deejaycountzero.com
 
 
 



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Re: (313) [OT] Brüno

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Sacha Baron Cohen was rocking the 1s and 2s wy before it was cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8wrIgbiCgs

MEK

Benoît Pueyo benoit.pu...@gmail.com wrote on 07/13/2009 07:22:19 AM:

 Is it me, or each time I see the advertising for this movie, I can't 
 help thinking to some similar looking DJ :
 
 http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/07/13/movies/bruno.jpg
 
 Am I the only one ?
 
 -- 
 Benoît.



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Re: (313) Remembering MJ today

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

LOL!  Shamon

I feel the same about the global memorial with the MJ statues - letting 
them bury MJ in private
what a circus!  but, alas, it was the family that ran the show

MEK

Fred Heutte ph...@sunlightdata.com wrote on 07/08/2009 01:49:49 AM:

 My friend Keith Knight:
 
 http://www.salon.com/comics/knig/2009/07/08/knig/
 
 The backstory: after many years in San Francisco, he got married
 to a woman from Germany, moved to LA and had a kid...
 
 fh
 
 
 -
 
 Thought I would share this excellent tribute to Michael by Kirk 
 Degiorgio. Lots of early Motown Jackson 5 classics 
 and solo MJ songs. RIP Michael.
 
 http://redbullmusicacademyradio.com/shows/1636/
 
 down low music 
 http://downlowmusic.org
 
 



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Re: (313) Overheard In A Record Store At The Weekend

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

I've got all their stuff

MEK

Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com wrote on 07/06/2009 06:05:53 AM:

 Slight zonked out fashionista: What's this track that's on now?
 Store Owner: That's the air conditioning
 
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Re: (313) Michael Jackson has died

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

I think that Quincy Jones should be the one held responsible for the way 
Off the Wall  Thriller came out and Michael Jackson's comeback solo 
success
if you take a look at Q's work as a producer - he could take artists with 
mild to falling success and make platinum selling records
many artists' albums failed to be as good after leaving the working 
relationship with him - MJ's included

Jackson was blessed with an amazing voice and was a quick study - he did 
the same thing with Bob Fosse's choreography

but had it not been for Jones in the studio I HIGHLY doubt either of 
Jackson's best works would have come out the way they did
his solo career was floating in the 3 out of 5 star area - and then 
suddenly he produces two amazingly classic records?

naw - that's all Quincy, the dude just has that touch


MEK



kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote on 06/26/2009 02:38:44 AM:

 I'm 2 years older than Michael Jackson and grew up being fascinated by
 him and the Jackson 5, seeing him first (if I recall correctly) on the
 Andy Williams TV Variety show -- in fact:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDWHkMM4LRw
 
 It feels really weird to have seen the entire arc of his life and
 career -- his child stardom, his rise to being quite literally the
 biggest global pop star in human history, his decline, and now his
 death.
 
 I had gotten burned out on MJ after the way Thriller was inescapable
 for about 18 months. But years later, Terrence Parker rehabilitated MJ
 for me -- and probably a lot of other people.  Somehow, the way TP
 would cut up doubles of the Billy Jean intro seemingly for DAYS
 before letting the first verse drop made it clear how genius it truly
 was.
 
 The weekend after DEMF I got asked at the last moment to spin at a bar
 for some nebulous benefit event. Of course I brought the Do You
 Remember The Time double 12 and played the Steve Silk Hurley mix,
 and of course, everyone in the room bust a big smile.
 
 It's way too easy to psycho-analyze and make a tragic narrative out of
 his life, but to focus on the failures, the weirdness, the
 dysfunctions that marked the last half of his life is to miss the fact
 that for a brief time, there was no one else on the planet who could
 top him. His best work will still be played in 100 or 500 years from
 now.



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Re: (313) Michael Jackson has died

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

 I think Quincy Jones would be the first guy to say that he
 collaborated with MJ on those classic records, and that his role was
 to facilitate and channel what Michael was trying to accomplish.

that sounds like political talk - because it is


 Quincy does have a hand in bringing out the best in many artists as a
 producer.  And while it can be argued that Jones' body of work is
 impressive, his work on his own doesn't hold a candle to the best work
 of the artists he's produced.

well, yeah, that's what I'm saying - Q's talent is just that
pulling out and making the best of MJ's talent and finding ways to work it 
that MJ probably wouldn't have if left to his own devices
MJ needed Q to make those two albums what they were
of course Q needed MJ to be the vocalist and the interested artist to make 
them what it they are as well - but Q had all those arrangements in his 
head, the blending of musical styles, and just the pure lushness of the 
sound
that's 100% Quincy

if you listen to Destiny, which is the last thing that Jackson did before 
teaming up with Jones - while still good it just doesn't compare
Destiny is fun but pretty much nailed to the time in which it was made - 
pop funk/disco of the late 70s 
Off the Wall trancended that era and I give more credit to Quincy than 
Jackson for taking it there because I don't think Jackson would have got 
there on his own

 
 So don't try and take anything away from MJ.  Quincy is a great
 producer, arranger, and collaborator, but he's no Svengali.


I'm not taking anything away from MJ - he was a phenominally gifted singer 
and he knew, like Madonna, how to navigate the river up to a certain point

don't get me wrong - I grew up on and love most of MJ's  the Jackson 5's 
work up - especially those two albums

MEK

 
 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Michael
 Elliot-Knightmichael.elliot-kni...@fallon.com wrote:
  I think that Quincy Jones should be the one held responsible for the 
way
  Off the Wall  Thriller came out and Michael Jackson's comeback solo
  success
  if you take a look at Q's work as a producer - he could take artists 
with
  mild to falling success and make platinum selling records
  many artists' albums failed to be as good after leaving the working
  relationship with him - MJ's included
 
  Jackson was blessed with an amazing voice and was a quick study - he 
did
  the same thing with Bob Fosse's choreography
 
  but had it not been for Jones in the studio I HIGHLY doubt either of
  Jackson's best works would have come out the way they did
  his solo career was floating in the 3 out of 5 star area - and then
  suddenly he produces two amazingly classic records?
 
  naw - that's all Quincy, the dude just has that touch
 
 



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(313) ID people in Carl Craig's Televised Green Smoke video?

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Hey y'all

well, beside it being one of my favourite CC tunes and techno music videos 
in general - I've always wondered who the extras are in the video

I recognize CC of course (with headphones on)
There's a few more prominently featured  repeating figures in the video:
1) a woman with long dark hair
2) two guys who come across pedestrian bridge and look into camera
3) some other younger dudes - one guy with bike at beginning, one tall guy 
with maybe kinky hair pulled back into ponytail, one guy in burgundy 
jacket (later he has a bike), one guy in blue puffy jacket with short hair 
walking with another guy wearing a puffy bomber style jacket.  Later the 
two guys with the puffy jackets get into a fight with the guy in the 
burgundy jacket.

are the extras in the vid people who worked for Craig @ Planet E, other 
producers, or other people who went on to produce (CC proteges?)

looks like the whole thing was shot in the UK (or maybe mainland Europe) 
by the looks of the houses in the background

here's the vid if you're wondering what I'm going on about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwUQ5oKM-hE

so, anyone recognize these people?

MEK


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(313) Michael Jackson has died

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/25/jackson/


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(313) producer Eon aka Ian Loveday - RIP

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

http://www.thedailyswarm.com/swarm/eon-rip/

quote:
Legendary ?rave? producer Eon, a.k.a. Ian Loveday, passed away Wednesday, 
June 17, from complications with pneumonia. He was one of the first 
producers to gain popularity amongst the late-80s/early-90s rave scene 
with hits like ?Spice? and ?Fear the Mind Killer?, the sound being a link 
between early techno and modern breakbeat.

As Eon, his tracks made their way to early 90s pirate radio stations in 
London, and then out on vinyl through small labels like BAAD and Vinyl 
Solution. He would release his most well-known tracks on the seminal 
album, ?Void Dweller? in 1992 at the height of the spread of modern dance 
music in the US. ?Void Dweller?, with the hit ?Spice? owing its 
recognizable hook to a sample from David Lynch?s movie ?Dune?, was one of 
the first major label releases, on Columbia, for producers in the 
burgeoning rave scene.

His work saw release on numerous labels over the years, including Hooj 
Toons and XL Recordings. In ?93 he teamed up with fellow British acid 
pioneer Peter ?Baby? Ford, producing many classic tracks including ?Dead 
Eye? which would eventually be released as a single on Richie Hawtin?s 
Plus 8 label. Loveday would go on to release under his Minimal Man moniker 
up until just before his death.

Eon performed live at Fabric and on Radio One over the years, and worked 
with producers like Mark Moore (S?Express) and Marcus J Knight. Most 
recently, he had been busy in the studio with long time collaborator Baby 
Ford on some new projects.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Eon
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Minimal+Man
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Ian+Loveday
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Tan-Ru


very sad news... 
:-(
condolences to all family and friends (and fans)

MEK


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Re: (313) Warp20 Box Set

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

yes :-)

trying to figure out a way to get this, some new cycling clothing, and pay 
for food, gas  lodging all in one month without having to put it on the 
credit card

MEK

David Gillies da...@dorja.com wrote on 06/11/2009 08:37:52 PM:

 Anyone else drooling over this?
 
 http://warp.net/records/warp20/warp20-box-set



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Re: (313) Warp20 Box Set

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

of course it's overkill on the packaging with the graphic artwork book, 
etc.
but that's what these types of box sets are about - it's a 20 year 
anniversary COLLECTOR'S set

MEK

Lori Draper girly...@gmail.com wrote on 06/12/2009 10:15:13 AM:

 I got to the word Elecktroids and got out my credit card, but I'm
 still debating over the package itself vs. the music releases alone...
 hm. I agree that some parts of the package are complete overkill, but
 I'd feel incomplete without my Wax Trax black box set, and this one
 has a lot more to offer than typical box set releases. At least
 they're letting people have some say in the content, which is
 gratifying.
 
 That GAK EP is by far one of my favorite Warp releases of all time...
 I'm glad they're still going strong as a label.
 
 On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Michael
 Elliot-Knightmichael.elliot-kni...@fallon.com wrote:
  yes :-)
 
  trying to figure out a way to get this, some new cycling clothing, and 
pay
  for food, gas  lodging all in one month without having to put it on 
the
  credit card
 
  MEK
 
  David Gillies da...@dorja.com wrote on 06/11/2009 08:37:52 PM:
 
  Anyone else drooling over this?
 
  http://warp.net/records/warp20/warp20-box-set
 
 
  

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RE: (313) Max Brennan (Ferox, Peacefrog) live PA

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

http://www.myspace.com/maxbrennanaka

I think he's spent a fair number of years in Tibet (he's a devoted 
Buddhist)

his newest project
http://www.myspace.com/wightlightorchestra

MEK

Matt Chester chesterm...@googlemail.com wrote on 06/08/2009 02:41:01 
PM:

 Sweet, thanks - I was just wondering the other day what happened to Max
 Brennan.  Has he done anything recently?Haven't seen anything on 
Sublime
 for years either..
 
 matt chester
 11th hour recordings
 matt-chester.com | 11-hour.com
 
 ehr007 - Die For A Reason ep - out June 2009
 
 matt-chester.com/wp/releases/ 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: andrewd...@cognitionaudioworks.com
 [mailto:andrewd...@cognitionaudioworks.com] 
 Sent: 08 June 2009 20:23
 To: list 313
 Subject: (313) Max Brennan (Ferox, Peacefrog) live PA
 
 Just added a funky techy live PA from Max Brennan
 to the mixshow archive on
 http://cognitionaudioworks.com/AndrewDukeInTheMix.html
 
 This exclusive performance  originally aired on the mixshow way back in 
 1999.
 Brennan (aka Maxwell House, Fretless AZM, O.H. Krill) has had music and 
 remixes
 released on Sublime, Ferox, Leaf, Holistic, Phono, Peacefrog, Too Pure, 
and
 many other labels over the years.
 
 Thanks!
 Take care.
 Andrew
 -- 
 http://facebook.com/group.php?gid=37234691052
 http://cognitionaudioworks.com
 



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Re: (313) Re: Festival Debriefing?

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Flying Lotus @ DEMF 09 clips can be found on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5_0SX2P4N4

there's more

MEK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5_0SX2P4N4

kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote on 05/28/2009 12:39:12 PM:

 I liked the A Critical Mass set, though I wandered off to get Coney
 Island about halfway through so it wasn't earth-shattering. Someone
 said while they were playing 'you know, one guy could do that as well
 as 4.'   I'd almost say that's a compliment that the sound was
 unified, because my experience with Ricardo Villalobos Laptop
 Orchestra is that it's easy to get too much going at once.
 
 I was kind of disappointed with seeing Lusine, because he played a
 pretty standard techno/tech house set. Maybe a little more atmospheric
 than other people, but not at all what I listen to Lusine for.
 
 Flying Lotus was fantastic.  A perfect combination of a natural
 performer, insane track selection, and a huge crowd well up for it.
 By the end when he was jamming out the Amen break at 200 bpm --
 playing chunks of the break live on a keyboard -- I was done for.  And
 he does what a lot of guys seem not to manage -- look like he's having
 fun.
 
 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Minto George mintogeo...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 
 
  I might come back to Detroit next year since C2 is heading up the 
 direction of artists to perform, but I was interested how some of 
 the Live performances went this year? How was A Critical Mass (Ame, 
 Dixon, and Henrik Schwarz?)
 
  I'm away studying at the moment but back home some of the extended
 dL family had a little shindig with a rare performance by the 
 original Plastic Sleeves.
 
  peep it:
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR-CBvhXG9s
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HChiYeB9LQI
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmlYOPfNF8c
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U84GgNcG270
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSEEdzZczqA
 
  down low music
  http://downlowmusic.org
 



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(313) Aux88, Surgeon, Slater, Guy Called Gerald - all in one night @ WANG/Balance - London

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Got this in my in-box today

looks to be a phenomenal night of *THUMP!*

MEK
_

An advance reconnaissance mission was conducted to our new venue 
Cable this Saturday.
This is the first time we had seen the club completed, on our 
previous visit building work was just getting started.
And we can happily report that the new venue is totally wicked. Full 
credit to Cable they've done a great job and we're sure you're all 
gonna love it.

After almost 10 years putting on events this is WANG's first ever 
party in a 'proper' club, and so it's quite a big deal to us.
Rest assured we are gonna be bringing out the heavy artillery, full 
low-loader action style.
You can expect brand new battle weapons that'll make the deathstar 
look like a kiddy's toy.

Balance Friday 29th May. Line-up:
Aux 88 - exclusive UK live show
Surgeon - debut of his new audio/visual live show
Luke Slater - planetary assault systems dj set
A Guy Called Gerald - live acid set
Billy Nasty - electro set
Ben Sims
Jim Masters
Electro Elvis
Lula
Alex Downey


Tickets are £12 adv/ concs, £14 on the door
Cable 33A Bermondsey St. London Se1 0207 584 2570
http://www.balance-club.co.uk i...@balance-club.co.uk

As if all this wasn't killer enough, we have managed to secure an 
exclusive deal where any WANG members can get in for the reduced 
price of £10 before midnight if they bring along their gold WANG CARD 
membership card.

Advance tickets are available from:
Sounds of the Universe record shop in soho 
http://www.soundsoftheuniverse.com/info/contact/
(please only call the shop number as the label cannot help with 
ticket enquiries)

Cocomo Bar in Old Street 
http://www.welovelocal.com/en/london/hackney/hoxton/bars/cocomo-ec1v9le.html


Ticketweb 
http://www.ticketweb.co.uk/user/?region=gb_londonquery=detailevent=320986


You can join our facebook groups here!! - WANG Facebook 
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=9814126749
and www.balance-club.co.uk/facebook

WANG - Less of a club, more of a party
www.wanging.com


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(313) DJ mix CDs - good ones

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

I know most commercially available DJ mix CDs are crap but I'd like to 
find some more good ones
Flipping through what I have already I realized that most of mine are at 
least 10 years old
I've got a good portion of the X-Mix series (Saunderson, Ishii, Dj Hell, 
Acquaviva/Hawtin, Garnier), the Aux 88 Electro Boogie mix (one of my 
faves), Carl Craig  Stacey Pullen's DJ Kicks mixes, Matthew Herbert's 
Globus Mix Vol. 5, DJ T-1000 Live Sabotage: Live In Belgium, and a few 
Subject:Detroit  Submerge mixes.

Looking for more thumping techno things - suggestions or your faves?

MEK


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Re: (313) DJ mix CDs - good ones

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

whoops - sorry, forgot to say I have those too

as well as most of Hawtin's re-edit mixes

MEK

Alan Heneghan alan.heneg...@pancomms.com wrote on 05/27/2009 11:12:41 
AM:

 Derrick May - Mayday Mix
 Jeff Mills - Live at the Liquid Rooms
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Michael Elliot-Knight michael.elliot-kni...@fallon.com
  Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:10:57 -0500
  To: 313@hyperreal.org
  Subject: (313) DJ mix CDs - good ones
  
  I know most commercially available DJ mix CDs are crap but I'd like to
  find some more good ones
  Flipping through what I have already I realized that most of mine are 
at
  least 10 years old
  I've got a good portion of the X-Mix series (Saunderson, Ishii, Dj 
Hell,
  Acquaviva/Hawtin, Garnier), the Aux 88 Electro Boogie mix (one of my
  faves), Carl Craig  Stacey Pullen's DJ Kicks mixes, Matthew Herbert's
  Globus Mix Vol. 5, DJ T-1000 Live Sabotage: Live In Belgium, and a few
  Subject:Detroit  Submerge mixes.
  
  Looking for more thumping techno things - suggestions or your faves?
  
  MEK
  
  

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Re: (313) No comment.

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Let Magda get the tea  ;-)

MEK

southernoutpost southernoutp...@gmail.com wrote on 05/08/2009 11:29:38 
PM:

 I like your style Greg! ;) going to grab myself a tea, get comfy and 
 watch this one go.
 
 =
 Southern Outpost
 http://www.southernoutpost.com
 
 Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin
 Infiltrating your sound systems
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 On May 8, 2009, at 8:58 PM, Greg Earle ea...@isolar.dyndns.org wrote:
 
  http://richly.hawtin.jp/
 
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(313) Conemelt?

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Can anyone describe their music?  I recall seeing their records sitting in 
shops in the mid 90s and, well, pretty much just sitting there collecting 
dust, but they were associated with Sabres of Paradise/Two Lone Swordsmen 
were they not?  Curious to hear samples if anyone has some.


MEK


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Re: (313) Seiji? The hell?

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

Wow, sounds like a return to the original sound of West London House aka 
Broken Beat - which is exactly that, all those elements into one track 
that all hangs together this well.

it's the reason I fell in lrve with it

Nice one Seiji!  Thank you Kent for posting this.  Seiji's a fantastic 
producer but a lot of his beats for a while seemed to get caught in his 
own making (Loose Lips)
maybe I was just hearing that Loose Lips beat - was very catchy and was 
hot for a while

I'll have to grab these and more

MEK

kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote on 05/06/2009 10:31:41 AM:

 Seiji is a UK producer who has been all over the map stylistically,
 from Drum  Bass, to Broken Beat to who knows what.  He's started
 sporadically giving away tracks at http://www.seiji.co.uk/
 
 Where you can get this track: http://www.seiji.co.
 uk/file_download/5/Ravin+A.mp3
 
 which an insanely catchy track that is all over the place. 707 kick?
 Breakbeats? 303 Line? Detroit-style chunky piano chords?
 
 It's cheeky to pitch all those elements into one track, but it's rare
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RE: (313) who is going to the festival??? Re: (313) festival roll call? anybody making t-shirts?

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

*sigh* (shakes head at line-up)
won't be there again - but is anyone surprised about that?

but I've got me a Sines designed 313 shirt so if you've got binoculars 
maybe you'll spot me in the garden getting down and dirty

MEK


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Re: (313) DEMF Pre-Lineup

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

I actually don't mind this line up.  It's got the usual Detroit suspects I 
enjoy plus peeps like Flying Lotus and Osulande.

MEK


- Original Message -
From: kent williams [chaircrus...@gmail.com]
Sent: 03/18/2009 09:03 AM EST
To: John Sokolowski jrsokolow...@hotmail.com
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) DEMF Pre-Lineup



Let the hating begin?

There are some Detroit names I'm glad to see but it seems pretty
front-loaded with Europeans.  Not necesarily a bad thing -- witness
the year the Dutchies all came.

But considering they're probably going to be paying bushel baskets of
hundred dollar bills to Benny Benassi and Carl Cox, they could have
booked some Detroit guys who would be big draws, and don't play in
Detroit much.

In a perfect world, Francois Kevorkian would play next to the river
first thing Sunday and make it the ghost of Body and Soul.


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Re: (313) official 313 list do's and don'ts of DEMF line-ups

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Benny should be parking cars and working the coat check.

Mek


- Original Message -
From: kent williams [chaircrus...@gmail.com]
Sent: 03/18/2009 12:26 PM EST
To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) official 313 list do's and don'ts of DEMF line-ups



DO:
Include Detroit DJs and Artists.  Genre not important as long as
contemporary with some electronic elements. e.g. Slum Village, but not
a Detroit Polka band.
Include International artists and DJs whose music is either Detroit
influenced, or is interesting and enjoyable in it's own right and not
too far from the core focus on electronic music.  E.g. Tortoise and
Autechre were good DEMF bookings.
Include the best proponents of new dance music genres. E.g. Burial
would be a good booking. Give him a Luchador mask to wear if he's
still feeling bashful.

DON'T:
Book Trance DJs. Trance music -- regardless of nation or city of
origin -- is the opposite of Techno, and the opposite of good music,
for that matter.
Book a DJ/Producer who don't actually make the music they release
under their names.
Book any Big-room, Ibiza-DJing, Coked-out, Primadonna Bullsh1t DJs.

Now it's tough to balance financial prudence with artistic integrity,
and arguably Paxahau has mostly done OK.  But the only rightful place
for Benny Benassi at DEMF would be in a dunk tank.


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Re: (313) official 313 list do's and don'ts of DEMF line-ups

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

You know, make himself useful.


- Original Message -
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Sent: 03/18/2009 12:41 PM EST
To: kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com; list 313 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) official 313 list do's and don'ts of DEMF line-ups



Benny should be parking cars and working the coat check.

Mek


- Original Message -
From: kent williams [chaircrus...@gmail.com]
Sent: 03/18/2009 12:26 PM EST
To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) official 313 list do's and don'ts of DEMF line-ups



DO:
Include Detroit DJs and Artists.  Genre not important as long as
contemporary with some electronic elements. e.g. Slum Village, but not
a Detroit Polka band.
Include International artists and DJs whose music is either Detroit
influenced, or is interesting and enjoyable in it's own right and not
too far from the core focus on electronic music.  E.g. Tortoise and
Autechre were good DEMF bookings.
Include the best proponents of new dance music genres. E.g. Burial
would be a good booking. Give him a Luchador mask to wear if he's
still feeling bashful.

DON'T:
Book Trance DJs. Trance music -- regardless of nation or city of
origin -- is the opposite of Techno, and the opposite of good music,
for that matter.
Book a DJ/Producer who don't actually make the music they release
under their names.
Book any Big-room, Ibiza-DJing, Coked-out, Primadonna Bullsh1t DJs.

Now it's tough to balance financial prudence with artistic integrity,
and arguably Paxahau has mostly done OK.  But the only rightful place
for Benny Benassi at DEMF would be in a dunk tank.


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(313) test

[Michael Elliot-Knight]

made you look


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Re: (313) DJing the visual aspect (was Mills interview/Wire mag)

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

well, as with vinyl - Amazon's Kindle has nothing on printed and bound
books
the details and feeling of the binding, the quality of the paper, the smell
of the book, the little joy in slowly turning the page, and the whole
culture of bookstores, etc.  all missed out by the digital book reader

in the end I suppose it matters now how you get the message across to the
audience (words or music) but it is those nuances that make the experience
different
imho, like how digital cuts out music into little blocks of sound - you
lose something there just as the reader is missing out with the digital
word

my 2¢ and I'm out

MEK

Andrew Beddow andrew.bed...@gmail.com wrote on 02/17/2009 01:13:48 PM:

  now with the democratization of djing, everyone knows how to dj
  supposedly  the printing press was indeed an innovation, but the
  quality of literary output is surely down in a world where literacy is
  epidemic and books are published every day only to be thrown out the
  next, where writing has devolved into txting and blogging.  just as it
  is with the written word, so too with electronic music in my book.
 

 oh my god, incredible analogy. sorry, have nothing to contribute to
 this discussion, but amazing! text speak is the fault of the printing
 press!

 andrew

(313) 2 things: Hollow records (house/broken beat)? and FBK's mix

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

First - if you haven't checked it out yet and you liked the Luke Slater mix
because of it was pounding and non-stop
check out FBK's mix that he posted a few days ago
it's here
http://abso.lo0p.us

listening now and it's good fun


second - was looking over some old Straight No Chaser magazines last night
and saw an old advert for the Goya shop
they had the logo of a label I hadn't seen in a while
I thought it was called either Hollow or Follow records/music... but
nothing comes up in discogs for either of those
the logo looks like a square turntable and the font is rather angular

ring any bells?

thanks
(and check that mix!)

MEK

Re: (313) New Luke Slater dj-sets

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Nice to hear a pounding techno set!

MEK

P.A. Keur peter.k...@gmail.com wrote on 02/02/2009 11:00:41 AM:

  I only heard the SubClub one and that one is quite good

 It sure is! Thanks for sharing!

 Peter


 On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Martijn de Blaauw
 martijn.de.bla...@woonconcept.nl wrote:
  Sorry to be a bit off topic but i found these two new and fresh dj-sets
  from Luke Slater, well he's a bit 313 (his early work for sure) and I
  hadn't heard from him in a while.
 
  So maybe there's a few of u out there who might like this.
 
  Click the links, dl and play them loud!
 
  Luke Slater @ SubClub Glasgow 23-01-2009:
 
http://rapidshare.com/files/188546475/luke_slater_-_live_at_subclub_glas
  gow_-_23-01-2009.mp3
 
 
  And the day after Glasgow he was in Paris playing @ Le Batofar,
  24-01-2009
 
  http://uploaded.to/?id=8y5vn4  (3 hrs and 30 mins!)
 
  I only heard the SubClub one and that one is quite good
 
  Martijn
 
 
 
  -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
  Van: ohanakin ... [mailto:ohana...@gmail.com]
  Verzonden: dinsdag 27 januari 2009 20:35
  Aan: robin
  CC: list 313
  Onderwerp: Re: (313) what's new with REAL Detroit releases?
 
  songs for my mother, revisionist's theory, and club scam II are faves
of
  mine...
 
  and of course, systematic advancing on gigolo...
 
 
  maybe youll need more than one comp.
  =)
 
  A
 
 
  On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:13 PM, robin ro...@fivetones.org wrote:
 
  On 27 Jan 2009, at 19:09, Christiaan Macdonald wrote:
 
  speaking of shake.. we are working on a compilation of his stuff as
  some
  of his music hasnt been available for a while.
  actually working on it as we speak.. should be available before the
  summer
  period.. will keep you in the loop.
 
  any favorite tracks that need to be included anybody? :)
 
  That's so hard. So many!
 
  :)
 
  robin...
 
 
 
  Woningcorporatie Woonconcept zorgt voor veilige woonruimte van
 goede kwaliteit voor mensen, die daar zelfstandig niet in kunnen
 voorzien. En wij doen meer dan bouwen, zorgvuldig beheren en
 verhuren. We zetten ons in voor de leefbaarheid in de breedste zin
 van het woord.
 

Re: (313) fbk presents absoloop...for immediate download! (spam?)

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Hey Kevin

It certainly does meet the requirements for 313  ;-)
What label is the album going to be out on?  Will there be vinyl?
Been listening to this while doing my timesheets at work and it's slamming.
Right now I'm boppin' to KnowNoKnowHow - and The Nest - this will
dstroy the floor.
Really liking this whole collection of tunes.

Will be listening to the mix tomorrow when I get in to work again.

Good to hear from you!

MEK

Kevin Kennedy the...@gmail.com wrote on 01/22/2009 11:18:45 AM:

 (hopefully this meets the requirements for being 313 related):

 Hello all 313ers!
  My name is Kevin Kennedy, I am also known as fbk, the sleep
 engineer, and powerhouse.  I am forwarding a link to my new album and
 DJ mix (which can be downloaded and shared if you like)...but, before
 I do that, I felt the need to explain why I am doing this:

 I am looking for feedback from all of you wonderful people because
 I respect your opinions and I know that this list is full of
 opinionated people and music listeners.  I am 313 related as well, due
 to my affiliations with several Detroit artists (and a couple of
 releases on Frictional and Xplor as well).

 I hope that you will enjoy what I have created...and thank you for
 listening in advance...please get in touch with me on my contact link
 on the following site:

   http://abso.lo0p.us



 --
 fbk

 sleepengineering/absoloop US

Re: (313) more searching for old documentaries

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

did you search through the 313 archives?

m...@m50.net wrote on 01/30/2009 08:26:15 PM:

 I remember a cool one that I think was only audio, had a bunch of
 experimental artists, maybe Raster Noton or Gescom types talking about
 production and inspirations.  Had an interesting soundtrack in the
 background of clicks and cuts glitchery and field recordings.  I don't
 think it was so much interview style as a bunch of clips of artists'
 thoughts on things, spoken.  I think I first found out about it on this
 list within the last 5 years or so.  Any help or hints appreciated.

 m50

Re: (313) Harsh

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

except for the guy in the block of ice

MEK

David Armin-Parcells subsp...@comcast.net wrote on 01/30/2009 09:49:55
AM:

 we have a small town feel where everybody knows everybody

Re: (313) John Martyn RIP

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

oh damn

brilliant musician and songwriter

RIP to a true master of music

MEK

fran...@thatamazingthing fran...@thatamazingthing.com wrote on
01/29/2009 08:38:24 AM:

 Nothing to do with 313 (awaits tenuous connection) but I'm sure we
 can suspend relevance for the passing of another great.

Re: (313) Model 500 - The Flow film clip

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Juan, prepare my submarine

I love that a  group of guys just show up walking on the beach at the end
and then get zapped and disappear
did they ever appear anywhere else in the video??  I didn't see them.
They just walk in off the right side in regular street clothes like they're
going down to the corner store and *bloop* - they get zapped and *bling*
they're gone

Non sequitur

love it

MEK

southernoutp...@gmail.com wrote on 01/27/2009 07:13:54 PM:

 I remember Mr. Banks showing me this clip at Submerge back in the
 day... it's hilarious...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4d87BvQRuI



 P.

Re: (313) what's new with REAL Detroit releases?

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Hilarious?  I think the Dope Jams review is petulant and devoid of thought.
Pretty lame of them to give Kenny such a juvenile review and then try to
make money off his work.

MEK


 On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:33 AM, JT Stewart etmach...@gmail.com wrote:
  That K Larkin album was really bad too.
  Dope Jams has a hilarious description of it on their site.
 

Re: (313) what's new with REAL Detroit releases?

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

I think it's unethical to give as superficial a review as that and yet try
to profit from it.
Larkin put some time and effort into making the record.  The best they
could do is put some time and effort into writing a proper review.
Seems the Vice magazine mentality is spreading.
I've seen reviews like this many times - people think they are being witty
when actually they're showing their lack of intellect and ability to
express themselves without reverting to exclamations of a five year old.
There was no thought put into that review at all, most likely because
whomever wrote it can't figure out how to break themselves out of a paper
bag.

It's not unethical to sell work they think is weak - but to give a review
that reveals less than nothing of the musical work AND try to profit from
it, that's weak.
If they don't have anything to say about it (and it sucks beyond belief
isn't saying anything) then they should not review it.

MEK



m...@m50.net wrote on 01/28/2009 03:48:55 PM:

 Review in question: New Kenny Larking album!  CD version, New Kenny
 Larking album and it sucks beyond belief!  2XLP version.

 MEK: You raise an interesting point - is it unethical for them to sell
work
 that they think is weak?  Would it be unethical for them to give a good
 review to the album in order to make more money off of his work if they
 think it's weak?

 m50


 At 2009.01.28 13:24, michael.elliot-kni...@fallon.com wrote:
 Hilarious?  I think the Dope Jams review is petulant and devoid of
thought.
 Pretty lame of them to give Kenny such a juvenile review and then try to
 make money off his work.
 
 MEK
 
  
   On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:33 AM, JT Stewart etmach...@gmail.com
wrote:
That K Larkin album was really bad too.
Dope Jams has a hilarious description of it on their site.
   

Re: (313) what's new with REAL Detroit releases?

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

 Obviously they're not trying to profit from it if they're giving it a
 bad review. They are discouraging people from buying it.

C'mon JT - They have it available for sale.  They are, trying to or not,
profiting from its sale.
Not attempting to profit from it would mean not offering it for sale.  Take
it off the shelf and off the website. No sale - no profit.
It's that simple.  There is no grey area here.  No negotiating.  It's
either selling it and making money, or not selling it and not making money.
Dissuading the sale through a sh!t review is bad form and is just mean
spirited.  It's not fair to the artist.  They should send the record back
to the distributor so that it can be sold via someone who will properly
promote it.


 They're a record store and they can't just not carry it because they
 don't like it.

Yes they can.  It's their store.

 I disagree. It made me laugh and it made me respect them for being
 honest. I only tell customers that records suck over the phone...

Honesty has it's root in honor aka a showing of usually merited respect.
It was an dishonorable review from a dishonest business.
Period.

MEK

RE: (313) what's new with REAL Detroit releases?

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Dishonest - yes, take a look at all the pirated recordings they press up
and profit from

dishonorable - yes, I don't think that review gave any respect to Larkin's
album
they don't have to give it a thumbs up - they can pan it - but an
honourable and respectful review demands more than what they gave

by writing reviews they have taken it upon themselves to become promoters

if all they are doing is selling and not promoting I wouldn't expect to see
ANY reviews

and, you're right, it wouldn't be much of a techno store if they didn't
stock it - so they have to stock it, but they give it a curt review that
was insufficient in details for what purpose exactly?
to dissuade people from buying it?

so they stock it to keep their image up, but they publically slag the
record without any given reasons - again, using and abusing
dishonest, dishonorable, disrespectful

MEK



rob r...@combiningform.org wrote on 01/28/2009 04:48:07 PM:

 Michael Elliot-Knight:

  Honesty has it's root in honor aka a showing of usually
  merited respect. It was an dishonorable review from a
  dishonest business. Period.

 Dishonourable and dishonest?  They're rather serious words.

 If they don't like the record I would sooner they say so than give it the
 old huge record, killer, TIP!!! nonsense in an effort to sell a few
extra
 copies.  And as for them stocking it but not promoting it properly - it's
 not their job to promote it, but they stock it so they can sell it to
 customers who want to buy it.  Wouldn't be much of a techno store if it
 didn't stock the latest Kenny Larkin record, on Planet E, now would
it?!?!?



 Rob

Re: (313) what's new with REAL Detroit releases?

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Ha!  I get it Martin

However, I look at it this way though - two guys running a record store and
record labels that profit from other people's hard work
their record store sells other people's records
their record labels sell other people's music that they have never paid a
dime for (it's all pirated)

these guys are thieves - I don't care how anyone reformulates the excuses
for them to make it o.k. in their mind/soul

so for _them_  to write that review for an original music work shows
arrogance, not honesty

MEK


Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com wrote on 01/28/2009 04:57:46 PM:

 Hey you guys ;)

 http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

 m

Re: (313) yowza! another YouTube find

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

and you can have it from discogs seller miaozik for £59.95

MEK

Fred Heutte ph...@sunlightdata.com wrote on 01/23/2009 02:14:09 AM:

 An ode to the digital switchover...

 everyone here let's turn your dial
 let's turn your dial to channel one!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUHTAar6r2cfeature=related

Re: (313) Andrew Duke is really f*cking p*ssed off

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

LOL!I don't even have to take the jump on that link to know of whom you
speak.

the legend that is Steve P Watts

I think I might still have some of the correspondences with him on the list
I recall he is very preoccupied with the minutia of studio trickery and
referred to himself as a Hu_man shortly before he jumped the 313 ship (or
was it the shark he jumped?)

2009 - bring it on!

MEK

Andrew Duke and...@andrew-duke.com wrote on 01/18/2009 10:34:48 PM:

 Some arse named spw appears to be questioning
 my dedication to the music I love and it has
 me really f*cking p*ssed off; if you're interested
 in reading me in a rare pissed-off rant, head on
 over to
 http://www.discogs.com/groups/topic/177552
 --
 Andrew Duke In The Mix weekly mixshow (est. 1987), excl. DJ mixes, PAs,
 interviews:
 http://cognitionaudioworks.com/AndrewDukeInTheMix.html
 sound design and music content provider:
 http://cognitionaudioworks.com/sounddesignandmusic.html
 http://myspace.com/andrewduke
 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1614666166

 Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks
 57 Hastings Drive Dartmouth NS Canada B2Y 2C7

(313) wonky techno mixes?

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

anyone have links or could post some wonky techno mixes?  Looking for
mixes by Neil Landstrumm, Tobias Schmidt, Si Begg, etc. BEFORE they all got
nabbed by dubstep or m_nml

thanks

MEK

Re: (313) Quit complaining about DEMF and fix it yourself

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

I suppose it wouldn't truly be a Ghostly jacket if it doesn't mysteriously
disappear now would it...

;-)

MEK

David Powers cybo...@gmail.com wrote on 01/09/2009 11:35:43 AM:

 I actually really like the look of some of the Ghostly stuff I
 miss my Ghostly jacket that disappeared at a friend's house.
 ~David

 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:25 AM, kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com
wrote:
  haha BURN!  Ialways thought of michael as mild mannered, but this is
  the best one liner of the new year.  well played!
 
  On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Michael Kuszynski
 kuszyn...@gmail.com wrote:
  they all look like Ghostly International record covers.
 
  On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:51 PM, UI Design
 uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com wrote:
  Wow  those are so bad, I may reconsider my decision to enter.  I
  had initially thought I may not be up to par, but after seeing
  those... wow... I def may reconsider.
 
  Jodie
 
  On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Andrew Duke and...@andrew-duke.
 com wrote:
  Michael Kuszynski wrote:
 
  wow those entries are sh-tty
 
  One of them looks to clearly state DEMP not DEMF!
 
  On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Matt Kane's Brain
  mkb-pr...@hydrogenproject.com wrote:
 
  Paxahau wants a new brand designer selected by popular vote. This
will
  end well.
 
  http://www.mydemf.com/
 
  --
  matt kane's brain
  techno radio at: http://hydrogenproject.com http://wzbc.org
  capoeira in boston http://capoeirageraisusa.com
  aim - mkbatwerk ; y! - mkb218 ; gtalk - mkb.dirtyorg
 
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  Andrew Duke In The Mix weekly mixshow (est. 1987), excl. DJ mixes,
PAs,
  interviews:
  http://cognitionaudioworks.com/AndrewDukeInTheMix.html
  sound design and music content provider:
  http://cognitionaudioworks.com/sounddesignandmusic.html
  http://myspace.com/andrewduke
  http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1614666166
 
  Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks
  57 Hastings Drive Dartmouth NS Canada B2Y 2C7
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  Michael Kuszynski
  kuszyn...@gmail.com
  www.planerecordings.com
  New York, NY
 
 

Re: (313) Quit complaining about DEMF and fix it yourself

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

So, if he's doing the branding - what's with the contest to find someone to
be in charge of the branding?

I'm a bit confused

MEK

UI Design uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com wrote on 01/07/2009 12:25:52
AM:

 BACKGROUND about Paxahau's new partner on the DEMF Design Contest.

 The 323 East group is owned by Mike McKool, who's a really progressive
 person in the city.  He's done some incredible things over the past
 year in the city, including opening a very cool gallery, running
 successful local artist booths at various festivals, and also
 partnering with Detroit's favorite Funk Night (recently rated best
 party in America).  Funk night has been running for 8 years, started
 by People's Records, and I'm not sure if their new partnership with
 McKool is to credit or its their new venue (the Russell Industrial
 Center), but in the past 4 months, they have exploded in size.  Going
 from an average of 300-600 people per event to 1400 paid through the
 door this month.

 I've been pleasantly and continuously surprised with the innovative
 and steady work McKool has been doing in this city, and I'm really
 happy he's partnered with Paxahau for the new branding of DEMF.  It'll
 bring in a very diverse new blood of artists into the DEMF arena.

 Jodie



 On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:17 PM,  ohana...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  i bet c2 could draw a sick party, lineup, brand, whatever, out on a
  napkin that would work better than some of whats happened in parts of
  years and in some years past.still im just grateful it happens so
  that i can attend parties like the Music Institute one
 
 
 
  On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:05 PM,  michael.elliot-kni...@fallon.com
wrote:
   I think it might need a little more than just a brand revisionbut
that's
   my opinion
  
   MEK
  
   mkb.dirty...@gmail.com wrote on 01/06/2009 04:25:44 PM:
  
   I guess so, if Paxahau is 'hiring'.
  
   On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 17:22,  michael.elliot-kni...@fallon.com
wrote:
is it time already?
   
MEK
   
  
   --
   matt kane's brain
   techno radio at: http://hydrogenproject.com http://wzbc.org
   capoeira in boston http://capoeirageraisusa.com
   aim - mkbatwerk ; y! - mkb218 ; gtalk - mkb.dirtyorg
  
  

Re: (313) Florian leaves Kraftwerk

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Florian Schneider's Not Ready Yet Kraftwerk Players

MEK

Klaas-Jan Jongsma grand...@mac.com wrote on 01/06/2009 04:38:34 AM:

 I personally am hoping that now every single member claims to be
 Kraftwerk and starts playing out like that so we now have 4 acts
 performing under names like: Kraftwerk, The real Kraftwerk, The true
 Kraftwerk, the original Kraftwerk etc.


 On 6 jan 2009, at 11:29, Martin Dust wrote:

 
  On 6 Jan 2009, at 10:24, Robert Taylor wrote:
 
  One day Ralph will leave and it will be like Sugababes or Deep
  Purple -
  still the same axe, but with a different blade and handle
 
  I like the idea of no original members actual, very techno - the
  Sugababes and DP have always had at least one original member in tho
  Rob, I guess it's a rule of rockism's.
 
  Martin
 

Re: (313) Florian leaves Kraftwerk

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

much like Mark Mothersbaugh starting DEVO 2.0 which was an all kids version
of DEVO

it was actually pretty subversive thing for him to do - and Disney bought
it

MEK

Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com wrote on 01/06/2009 05:08:04 AM:


 On 6 Jan 2009, at 11:06, james.hurl...@utoronto.ca wrote:

  So therefore the Village People are the most techno group if only
  for their unique analog modular design.

 Haha it's a good point but I still like the idea as it seems to
 challenge most people, that I like.

RE: (313) Florian leaves Kraftwerk

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

doubt it - the other splits in members have been acrimonious.  Florian and
Ralf are still good friends afaik.

MEK

fran...@thatamazingthing fran...@thatamazingthing.com wrote on
01/06/2009 10:39:59 AM:

 Will Ralph now start to airbrush out Florian's contribution like
 former members claim those 2 did to them after they parted company?
 (if this is contentious Stalin may be more appropriate to appear at
 the end of the thread than Hitler)

Re: (313) Quit complaining about DEMF and fix it yourself

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

is it time already?

MEK

mkb.dirty...@gmail.com wrote on 01/06/2009 04:11:22 PM:

 Paxahau wants a new brand designer selected by popular vote. This
 will end well.

 http://www.mydemf.com/

 --
 matt kane's brain
 techno radio at: http://hydrogenproject.com http://wzbc.org
 capoeira in boston http://capoeirageraisusa.com
 aim - mkbatwerk ; y! - mkb218 ; gtalk - mkb.dirtyorg

Re: (313) Quit complaining about DEMF and fix it yourself

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

I think it might need a little more than just a brand revision but that's
my opinion

MEK

mkb.dirty...@gmail.com wrote on 01/06/2009 04:25:44 PM:

 I guess so, if Paxahau is 'hiring'.

 On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 17:22,  michael.elliot-kni...@fallon.com wrote:
  is it time already?
 
  MEK
 

 --
 matt kane's brain
 techno radio at: http://hydrogenproject.com http://wzbc.org
 capoeira in boston http://capoeirageraisusa.com
 aim - mkbatwerk ; y! - mkb218 ; gtalk - mkb.dirtyorg

(313) Happy New Year 313 and shameless sales pitch

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Happy New Year all you 313ers

my 313 new year's resolution - clear out all the cobwebs of my record
collection
I'm getting rid of the stuff that's been sitting on the shelves but not
getting played.  This year I'm focusing on the music that I love 110% but
for one reason or another never bothered to get

so - I've got stuff up on discogs and will be adding more house and techno
soon

a few Detroit goodies there including:

Dan Bell's Lost Traxx EP (original release) and my last copy of the super
rare **Elevate Special Projects 1** record (ltd 500 pressings)
Fabrice Lig
Soiree Records
Blake Baxter
Visillusion
EDMX
Daniel Wang
Djax-Up-Beats
Gary Martin
Woody McBride

http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?seller=m_ek

Hey Ken - thanks for the pep talk at the end of last year!  Got me back
into it and focused.


MEK

(313) Time's Up

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

pencils down

end of year lists please




MEK

Re: (313) Time's Up

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Yes I can - I started the thread.

;-)

MEK

Frank Glazer cpe1704...@gmail.com wrote on 12/15/2008 05:11:16 PM:

 you can't demand year end charts unless you provide your own first.
 that's not playing fair.  ;P

Re: (313) Time's Up

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Frank Glazer cpe1704...@gmail.com wrote on 12/15/2008 05:11:16 PM:

 you can't demand year end charts unless you provide your own first.
 that's not playing fair.  ;P

2008 wasn't particularly 313 techno-centric for me (I'm trying Ken - really
I am! ;-) )

some things that would be somewhat On Topic


The Bamboos - Side Stepper
Hint - Driven From Distraction
Natural Self - The Art Of Vibration
Flying Lotus - Los Angeles
Raphael Saadiq - The Way I See It
Nomo - Ghost Rock
Menahan Street Band - Make the Road by Walking
E.S.T. - Leucocyte

most everything else I've bought this year have been old funk/soul records
and a handful of rare Factory records releases

MEK

Re: (313) so where do you buy your music (again!)?

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Vinyl - a number of local shops but it's never really for techno/house
these days
there isn't a single decent shop in town.  the one remaining dance music
shop deals mostly online so even if you go into the shop the selection is
crap and most of it isn't even out for you to browse
and he makes a big deal out of going into his stock to retrieve something
for you in person
he's a total pain in the arse so I don't bother buying from him at all

plenty of second hand shops and antique malls and such to browse for the
funk  soul records
one really good shop for more indie rock - and I've found a few IDM type
things and ambient/experimental records there as well

I also buy on ebay - it's still worth it
one of the local shops that closed up their brick  mortar have a really
basic online catalogue that I've found a few older house/techno 12/LPs
I've been selling a number of items via discogs myself - haven't shopped
there at all yet

for digital - Juno mostly but it depends on what I'm looking for
most of my purchases have the 3 dimensional shape

MEK

(313) OT - question for video geeks about DVD players

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

sorry about the way OT-ness of this topic but I figured there'd be a
few audio/video geeks on the list that might be able to answer this
question (or give suggestions)

our DVD player is on the fritz and I'd love to get a new one that will play
all regions

any good suggestions?

all replies off-list please

MEK

Re: (313) Kanye's New LP

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Saadiq's new album is the proverbial bomb.
Sweetest soul music that harkens back to the glory days of Motown.

MEK

Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/30/2008 01:17:18
PM:

 I have heard Saadiq is on fire live atm and the new material really
 comes to life there.

 On 01/12/2008, at 5:23 AM, Christian J. Hewstone wrote:

  Yeah, have been listening to it.
 
  the new Q-Tip album is also good. Especially Move produced by J
  Dilla, sort of moodymann house
  Raphael Saadiq is also worth  listen
 
  On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Cyclone Wehner
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  This may appear to be off topic but Kanye's new LP has a dance
  music ethos -
  pure minimal RB but with melody. Anyone here into? Kanye used to
  hang in
  Chi-town house clubs and he's worked with a house vocalist here in
  Oz,
  Connie Mitchell, on his last LP, incl Flashing Lights. Something
  is rubbing
  off!
 
 
 
 

Re: (313) kraftwerk cancelled--heartattack

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

regardless - something that disturbs me is the reaction that the crowd had
in that video and then the responses on the website

the first response I heard from the audience when the guy on stage said he
had a heart attack was booing and someone yelling out bullsh*t
the responses on the website discussion were basically saying if I could
make it to the show why couldn't they play?
one person even said - well, there's three remaining so they could play

WTF is THAT???

someone states the guy had a *heart-attack* and people are angry at him and
the band for not playing?
regardless if it's true or not that sort of response is so f**king COLD and
HEARTLESS

I don't think Kraftwerk should make up these shows for people who care
nothing for the health  well being of the band and only care about
themselves
that audience and the people posting should be ashamed of themselves

MEK



\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/24/2008 10:40:04 AM:

 seems like heart attack would be too serious an illness to play the
 following night.

 also, anybody check the new larkin boxset ?!

 On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:33 AM, Cyclone Wehner
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ronson was OK! Sound a bit muffled but I enjoyed it. Rhymefest is a
great MC
  from Chicago and Daniel Merriweather beats Timberlake any day in my
book!
  But I had a horrible day too. if I hear anything about a make-up show
by
  Kraftwerk I will post it.
 
 
 
 
  On 23/11/2008, at 2:17 PM, Michael Kuszynski wrote:
 
  Sorry I can't really understand your email without the use of commas
  or periods, but it sounds like kraftwerk had a heart attack?
 
  On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Samuel Karmel
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  Howdy
 
  I went to this really terrible festival called global gathering to
see
  kraftwerk in melbourne australia
  stood around in terrible weather listening to other plod only to find
  out just before kraftwerk were meant to get on fritz
  had a heart attack and was rushed to hospital and  then kraftwerk
  cancelled..
  worst gig eva!!!
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hIzQU0rAXQ
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  ---
  Michael Kuszynski
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  http://www.planerecordings.com
  New York, NY
 
 
 

Re: (313) Business Automotive industry 'If General Motors were to lose out, I think Detroit would go under

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

We're not recyclers, he said of his countrymen. We're consumers of
products.
the problem in a nutshell



MEK




Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/14/2008 09:06:49 AM:

 grim reading:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/nov/14/ford-chrysler-general-motors

 m

Re: (313) Business Automotive industry 'If General Motors were to lose out, I think Detroit would go under

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

a few months ago (in May) GM put Rick Wagoner's salary back up to $2.2
million
taking him off his self-imposed pay cut

and now he wants a government bail-out?  He'll do perfectly fine with or
without one.
He wants to save his company?  Make him, and all of GMs top executives, pay
for it.

the company is a complete failure because of personal greed


MEK

Joel Gajewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/14/2008 10:37:11
AM:

 As sad as it is for life in Detroit, the US auto industry has not
 exactly learned any lessons from the 70's/80's when foreign cars
 started picking up in terms of sales.  Plus, they neglect the
 American market in terms of style, performance and most importantly
 quality.  They should have known that their busines plans based on
 large trucks and SUV's in the 1990's would only last for so long.

 I have known far too many people that work in the industry and feel
 that they are owed something and have very little pride in their
 work, which is a huge cause in the lack of quality.  I had two sides
 of my family working for Ford or Chrysler (pre Daimler) and sadly
 this is really what I saw growing up.

 I had two Chyslers and one Ford, none of which made it past 100k.
 Well, the Ford I dumped with 36k because it was already having problems.


 This might not be a popular view, but it is my honest opinion and it
 pains me to say it as I love Detroit and all of my family there.

 It's sad really.


 - Original Message 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: list 313 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:44:31 AM
 Subject: Re: (313) Business Automotive industry 'If General Motors
 were to lose out, I think Detroit would go under

 We're not recyclers, he said of his countrymen. We're consumers of
 products.
 the problem in a nutshell



 MEK




 Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/14/2008 09:06:49 AM:

  grim reading:
 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/nov/14/ford-chrysler-general-motors
 
  m

RE: (313) Waxpoetics

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

If anyone is interested in subscribing to the magazine - and if you do it
online - please put my name in the comment field as a referrer

I highly suggest subscribing to the magazine - best music magazine out
there right now

MEK

Re: (313) Nate Krafft

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

yep, exactly that - it's pretty good
a nice Detroit obscurity

I've got this one as well http://www.discogs.com/release/80835 which is
worth picking up as well

more info on him on his myspace page - looks like he going primarily by the
name Naquil now
http://www.myspace.com/5thpowerproductions

MEK

Jussi Lehtonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/12/2008 05:00:42
AM:

 On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Paul Kendrick wrote:

  I was pulling out some old 12's last night and played this
  http://www.discogs.com/release/134115 Nate Krafft- Crimson Arsenal and
  forgot how good it is, Discogs lists another 12 by him has anyone got
  it and is it worth picking up?

 A friend of mine has it, it's electro (with booming talked vocals) in
 the vein of older Aux 88 and Model 500. If you're into that kind of
thing,
 check it out. :)



 Jussi Lehtonen

Metaprogram yourself.

Re: (313) standing in the shadows of motown...

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

It's on my top ten list of best music documentaries.  Finally brought
appreciation of the Funk Bros. to a wider audience.

MEK

kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/11/2008 08:36:44 AM:

 HDNet showed Standing In The Shadows Of Motown Sunday Night. I
 remember it being discussed on the list when it first came out, but I
 just have to say what deep emotions it brought up in me to finally
 hear a little of the story of those guys, and to see the survivors
 perform together.

 Surprising to me was how well some unlikely (to me) characters
 performed the old song -- Ben Harper and Joan Osborne were right on,
 without being imitative.  Chaka Khan, who I normally love, seemed like
 she wanted to add her stamp to songs that need nothing more than to be
 sung with an open heart.

 It doesn't have much to do with Detroit Techno, except that there must
 be something in the water in Detroit to explain the honest soul
 Detroit music always has.  I bet the Polka bands in Hamtramck do it
 with soul.

Re: (313) Waxpoetics vs In The Basement magazines

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/09/2008 10:26:46 PM:

 I don't say this to start a debate, because 'disco only lasted 10-15
 years at best' is nominally correct.  But I can't really pinpoint the
 death of Disco, especially since deep house has been plowing the same
 row since ... forever.   Disco as a mass phenomenon in the United
 States was really brief, coming into the pop consciousness around 1974
 and going way out by 1979.

Actually, I'd say that disco came into pop consciousness around '76 and
if you weren't aware of it by then, you were definitely made aware of it by
'77 when Saturday Night Fever came out.

a minor detail

MEK

Re: (313) Waxpoetics vs In The Basement magazines

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Haven't read it - what about it?

Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/09/2008 09:20:22 PM:

 How about that book Unlocking the Groove?

 On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:31 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  I have to agree with you.  The forward thinking innovation that was
  present in techno/house at their beginnings has moved on - it doesn't
exist
  in the music that is sticking to the original blueprint.
  What is sort of funny in all of this, for me, is now I'm listening and
  buying mostly 60s  70s funk, jazz-funk, soul, etc. and I find more of
that
  urgency and immediacy in music from 30+ years ago.
  Most techno from the last three or so years leaves me cold.  There's a
lot
  of let's do another Basic Channel/Maurizo tune going on...
 
  MEK
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/07/2008 09:55:53 PM:
 
  Most genre's do not last very long before becoming ec=xtinct. I mean
  disco
  only lasted 10-15 years at best. House and techno have been around
over
  twenty years. whats left to say?
  I can't remember the last time i dj'd and only played house and
techno.
  hasn't happend in 4-5 years maybe.
  A
 
 
 
  On Sat, November 8, 2008 2:40 am, /0 wrote:
   techno is dead.
   - Original Message -
   From: Denise Dalphond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org
   Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:29 PM
   Subject: Re: (313) Waxpoetics vs In The Basement magazines
  
  
   Ethnomusicology!!
  
   I think a full on, comprehensive article about major well known
   Detroit artists and lots of the lesser known artists from the 1970s
to
   the present would be great to see - I know, crazy high
expectations.
  
   Maybe that's why I'm writing my dissertation on this...
  
   Denise
  
   On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:49 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I totally have been wanting to see or write myself an article that
   isnt a summary of whats out there, thats got new interviews with
key
   players of the early 313, and that almost looks at it from an
   ethnomusiclogical perspective as well as one that goes through
   records, records broken by mojo, radio shows, and the like..
   The glaring omission of a realdeal article about 313 has much in
my
   opinion to do with the fact that its still undercover...i mean, a
313
   dj will get booked in nyc and i dont see any of the people from
the
   other techno parties there.  also, many of the people who read
   waxpoetics intently for the other kinds of articles, at least in
nyc,
   partially think that those early 313 names play mostly ibiza
stuff,
   imho, even if they have, you know, c2 remix x or dmay or cybotron
   record y.
   and the vast majority of those people havent seen any of the first
   wave 313ers kill it.  maybe i'm off, but i dont think so.
  
   Alex
  
  
  
  
  
   --
   Denise Dalphond
   Ph.D. Candidate
   Department of Folklore  Ethnomusicology
   Indiana University
   www.denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com
  
  
 
 
 
 
 



 --
 ---
 Michael Kuszynski
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.planerecordings.com
 New York, NY

Re: (313) Waxpoetics vs In The Basement magazines

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

I have to agree with you.  The forward thinking innovation that was
present in techno/house at their beginnings has moved on - it doesn't exist
in the music that is sticking to the original blueprint.
What is sort of funny in all of this, for me, is now I'm listening and
buying mostly 60s  70s funk, jazz-funk, soul, etc. and I find more of that
urgency and immediacy in music from 30+ years ago.
Most techno from the last three or so years leaves me cold.  There's a lot
of let's do another Basic Channel/Maurizo tune going on...

MEK

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/07/2008 09:55:53 PM:

 Most genre's do not last very long before becoming ec=xtinct. I mean
disco
 only lasted 10-15 years at best. House and techno have been around over
 twenty years. whats left to say?
 I can't remember the last time i dj'd and only played house and techno.
 hasn't happend in 4-5 years maybe.
 A



 On Sat, November 8, 2008 2:40 am, /0 wrote:
  techno is dead.
  - Original Message -
  From: Denise Dalphond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org
  Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:29 PM
  Subject: Re: (313) Waxpoetics vs In The Basement magazines
 
 
  Ethnomusicology!!
 
  I think a full on, comprehensive article about major well known
  Detroit artists and lots of the lesser known artists from the 1970s to
  the present would be great to see - I know, crazy high expectations.
 
  Maybe that's why I'm writing my dissertation on this...
 
  Denise
 
  On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:49 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I totally have been wanting to see or write myself an article that
  isnt a summary of whats out there, thats got new interviews with key
  players of the early 313, and that almost looks at it from an
  ethnomusiclogical perspective as well as one that goes through
  records, records broken by mojo, radio shows, and the like..
  The glaring omission of a realdeal article about 313 has much in my
  opinion to do with the fact that its still undercover...i mean, a 313
  dj will get booked in nyc and i dont see any of the people from the
  other techno parties there.  also, many of the people who read
  waxpoetics intently for the other kinds of articles, at least in nyc,
  partially think that those early 313 names play mostly ibiza stuff,
  imho, even if they have, you know, c2 remix x or dmay or cybotron
  record y.
  and the vast majority of those people havent seen any of the first
  wave 313ers kill it.  maybe i'm off, but i dont think so.
 
  Alex
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  Denise Dalphond
  Ph.D. Candidate
  Department of Folklore  Ethnomusicology
  Indiana University
  www.denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com