Re: Using Github to Manage Distributed Development

Narinder & Tom, You can move the structure, including relations, out of Projects via the Export Structure to XML command and build a new database based on that. However this only exports the actual structure. Importing the methods from the Project folder is no big deal. The deal is getting the

Re: 4D and FTP - AGAIN

> On 11 Oct 2019, at 09:13 AEDT, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > are you tracing the callback method? I think I should check this out. > I do not understand how one would debug "forward/backward/left/right" Staying constantly in the debugger scrolling up and

Re: 4D and FTP - AGAIN

Tim, Thanks. > On 11 Oct 2019, at 04:23 AEDT, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > I’m expecting to get details of this at the next 4D Summit in 2020. Fingers crossed. Cheers Jörg ** 4D Internet Users

Re: 4D and FTP - AGAIN

On Oct 10, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Jörg Knebel wrote: > Or is there a secret plan from 4D to overhaul 4D_Internet_Commands which the > World Wide Developer Community will find out about only if they sacrifice a > black cat at full moon on the grave of a killer? > > 4D! What about

Re: Using Github to Manage Distributed Development

I can’t think of any reason one would want to go back, either. Splitting the structure into files is something we’ve wanted for _so_ long and opens so many opportunities. -- Cannon.Smith Synergy Farm Solutions Inc. Aetna, AB Canada > On Oct 10, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech

Re: Using Github to Manage Distributed Development

Well, JPR's as always makes a good response! But, I still need to fully understand exactly why 4D is not eliminating the interpreted structure binary .4DB file completely at this time? Maybe 4D plan to do so eventually? Was this question asked at the last tour? If we are given the Project

Re: Using Github to Manage Distributed Development

On Oct 10, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Narinder Chandi wrote: > Yes, you're correct, currently the move from binary to Project format is one > way, whether this will become bi-directional I don't know. It is still > possible to compile back to a single binary though so the step to go from > Project to

Re: 4D and FTP - AGAIN

for future reference, could you be more specific about this statement: > 2019/10/10 19:07、Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール: > There is some kind of timeout/time limit when one is debugging > "forward/backward/left/right” without leaving the debugger or even restart 4D… are you

Re: Option click close box

Chip, I don’t know what an “option close” would look like: there’s no such event, and anyway it doesn’t matter to a particular window if it’s being told to close because every window is closing or because it alone is closing. They’re all in different processes; I’m still in “one process, one

Re: Option click close box

I am a bit confused; so what Keith posted was just about regular (non-option) clicks..? as I posted earlier, I can not say if this is a bug or not. we can not find a 4D documentation that says explicitly that option-click shall not invoke the event, your argument makes sense; maybe time to open

Re: Option click close box

Jeremy, does 4D post an option close to each window? you could place an inis button on the form to catch it - you should not have to, but... it might stop the problem. Are all the windows in the same process? or different processes? Chip On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 22:51:45 +0100, Jeremy Roussak via

Re: INNO Installer Script

Hi Jim, I found it and have been trying to get it to work. So far. But glad I am in the right area. Thanks for the help Jim. John… > You want to look at the [Icons] section. > The syntax is something like: > > Name: "shortcut name"; Filename: "path to file or folder" > > Name: "{app}\Run

Re: Option click close box

thank you for sharing, so if that is the case, I suppose we can say that... the splash screen is not a dialog; On Close Box is not applicable by default. to prevent it from closing, you could use DIALOG in the application process. that said, starting a DIALOG (event loop) in On Startup is a very

Re: INNO Installer Script

You want to look at the [Icons] section. The syntax is something like: Name: "shortcut name"; Filename: "path to file or folder" Name: "{app}\Run Peregrine"; Filename: {app}\Peregrine\Peregrine.exe" {app} is the built in reference "C:\Peregrine_Windows\" It is set by the line:

RE: Re: 4D v17r4 Windows Print To PDF ignoring PAGE SETUP

My only suggestion here is to ensure any Print Options calls are made after Set Printer, as the latter can mess up options set before that command. HTH, Keith > On 11/10/2019, at 2:20 am, Piotr Chabot Stadhouders wrote: > ... > Did you find a solution for this? > I am working on a Windows 10

Re: "4d.app would like to receive keystrokes from any application"

that's the version i'm messing with On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 4:54 PM Sannyasin Siddhanathaswami via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > Hmm…I didn’t get that request with 4D 17.3 in Catalina. > > Sannyasin Siddhanathaswami > On Oct 10, 2019, 10:52 AM -1000, Mike Kerner via 4D_Tech < >

Re: Converting 4D Server v11 to v17

That is very encouraging, Narinder. As mentioned I don't have subtables, so all is good there, and there may be a few PICTs but none, I think, that are critical. Trialling should prove or disprove that. And I don't use 4D Write so that's another plus. Your input truly appreciated. :) Regards,

Re: Using Github to Manage Distributed Development

Tom, Yes, you're correct, currently the move from binary to Project format is one way, whether this will become bi-directional I don't know. It is still possible to compile back to a single binary though so the step to go from Project to interpreted structure binary should surely be possible??

"4d.app would like to receive keystrokes from any application"

Catalina That seems like a "No, duh", but it also seems weird that it would be set that way. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God

Re: post-icon conversion

@patrick, might it be worth it to wait until we can manipulate project files? I see that project files auto-export the image library. Since we would have plain text files in a project, wouldn't I then be able to iterate via and update everything? On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 10:58 AM Mike Kerner

Re: Using Github to Manage Distributed Development

Thanks for your response Narinder, >ditch the 4D binary based structure file and use v17's 4D Project format Indeed, that is an attractive option, although it requires 17R5 or higher. Once it’s out of beta I may consider it. I’ve heard that once a structure is moved to Project Mode, there’s no

Re: Using Github to Manage Distributed Development

Tom, What version of 4D are you using? It seems to me that the way forward for team development (or solo for that matter) will be to ditch the 4D binary based structure file and use v17's 4D Project format stored that in a Git repo, even though it's still Beta it should be finalised soon

RE: Converting 4D Server v11 to v17

I suggest v15 because setting transparency when doing PICT conversion is not available in v13 On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 19:58:24 +, Peter BURGESS wrote: > Thank you Chip. > The suggestion, from other users and from my local 4D rep in > Australia, is for a 2-step conversion from v11 to v13, then

RE: Converting 4D Server v11 to v17

Thanks Tom, that is just the sort of news I was hoping for. Your input is appreciated. Regards, Pete -Original Message- From: Tom Benedict Sent: Friday, 11 October 2019 05:39 AM >v17 is 64 bit only on windows (I believe). On windows there are 32bit versions of v17 up through v17R4.

RE: Converting 4D Server v11 to v17

Thank you Chip. The suggestion, from other users and from my local 4D rep in Australia, is for a 2-step conversion from v11 to v13, then to v17. So, similar to your advice. I will go that direction, and keep a watch out for PICT files. Regards, Pete -Original Message- From: Chip Scheide

INNO Installer Script

Hi All, 4D Volume App/Windows 10 Pro/INNO Installer I am getting closer too getting the INNO Setup script working. But… I have as issue where I’d like to an alias of the structure outside the program folder so the user doesn’t have to look inside and do it. For example if I have a built

Re: 4D Server Hosting - The Future ?

Hey Tim, On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 10:43 AM Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > So what you are saying is that if you are deploying 4D Server in a VM > there is not need to try and use preemptive mode. You get no benefit from > doing that. It’s a waste of time? That's what I

RE: 4D Server Hosting - The Future ?

> The other thing about VM vs metal is the whole pre-emptive process > benefit basically goes away. ... can go away... If you have a physical machine with 32 cores and your VM run 8 shared with 4 other VMs running 8 cores, then you may really get 8 cores. If you run 32 VMs all wanting 8

Re: 4D Server Hosting - The Future ?

On Oct 10, 2019, at 10:25 AM, Kirk Brooks wrote: > The other thing about VM vs metal is the whole pre-emptive process > benefit basically goes away. Thomas Maul has shown this at the Summit. > Having n+ virtual cores doesn't do anything to actually increase processing > speed because the VM is

Using Github to Manage Distributed Development

In my current environment, each developer works on a separate copy of a “Master" 4D structure. Periodically each developer runs the "Export structure file” command to export everything (methods, forms etc) to local disk. Then they compare those files using a diff tool (Examdiff in our case)

Re: 4D Server Hosting - The Future ?

We host both the Server and the Client in the cloud. End users connect into the "client cloud" using Remote Desktop. Robb -- Robb Detlefs | Director, West Coast Operations & Strategic Initiatives robb.detl...@gallerysystems.com | 510.652.8950 x233 or

Re: 4D Server Hosting - The Future ?

I don't see how "cloud" hosting can be the future of 4D when LAN execution is great but WAN execution is horribly slow for the same application. Yes, you can rewrite in various ways (harder to write, understand, and maintain) but it is not an easy task. John DeSoi, Ph.D. > On Oct 10, 2019,

Re: Converting 4D Server v11 to v17

>v17 is 64 bit only on windows (I believe). On windows there are 32bit versions of v17 up through v17R4. v17R5 is the first 64bit only. >while v17 has a different architecture and is primarily object orientated, it >will still accept and interpret v11 style language. Is this truly the case?

Re: 4D Server Hosting - The Future ?

>BTW - when using a 'cloud' service, depending on your personal/business > > outlook you might want to think about who has access to your data, and > what are they doing with it. This applies not just to colo and 4D but > to everything in 'the cloud’. That’s why you encrypt your data.

Re: 4D Server Hosting - The Future ?

Indeed, that is the magic of VM and SAN. They can change the truck’s engine while its traveling down the road at 60mph. I was a skeptic until I saw it in action. Hot swapping of disks, memory, even ‘blades’ with CPUs on them happens transparently. Keep in mind, though, that this is not done to

Re: 4D Server Hosting - The Future ?

The key to getting good 4D performance out of VMs is dedicated resources. Once we got the VM ‘locked’ so it wouldn’t be ’smart’ about reallocating ‘idle’ resources (disk space, cache memory etc) to other VMs performance was very good. I don’t know much about VMs, but I’m surprised that you

Re: 4D Server Hosting - The Future ?

it is a repeating cycle. change the paradigm to make more money. Once everyone that needs one has a mainframe switch to desktops, now everyone has a desktop switch to the 'cloud'. eventually it will swing back to personal/business owned devices as data security becomes a (bigger) issue BTW -

Re: 4D Server Hosting - The Future ?

> On 10 Oct 2019, at 16:58, Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> wrote: > > that all is great until the hardware running the 4,382,619 VMs crashes According to “the guy”, that’s all taken care of. Even if the “metal” melts down, the VM’s just “seamlessly” migrate themselves onto other

Re: Converting 4D Server v11 to v17

I have done a conversion from v13 - v16, as an experiment. I had no problems. I did not run this for my users. I did some, but not extensive testing. as mentioned elsewhere there are a few things that I believe you can not resolve without a 32 bit version of 4D (PICTs) from inside 4D, and v17

Re: Converting 4D Server v11 to v17

my biggest problem here was trying to find the PICTs that were static pictures, that as it turns out, 4D had placed for me. These came from a gradient background that 4D used as part of the Form Wizard for listing forms. I let 4D create a bunch of these for me for tables which either had

Re: 4D Server Hosting - The Future ?

Peter, I had a discussion with Tim Nevels on another channel about this last week too. He's a big fan and maybe will weigh in here. I will not miss having to make a trip to the colo to change an SSD that died. (Hint: mirrored SSDs so you don't have to do that in the middle of the night.) It is

Re: 4D Server Hosting - The Future ?

that all is great until the hardware running the 4,382,619 VMs crashes :/ Chip On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:23:18 +0100, Peter Jakobsson via 4D_Tech wrote: > > He also was of the categorical opinion that the only way to really > keep applications “isolated” from each other (i.e. not bring >

Re: Converting 4D Server v11 to v17

In my experience 4D conversions have generally been fairly smooth, and that's going back many versions. When I did a 4D v11 to v15 conversion (Mac server and clients) a few years ago there were no significant issues that I recall. I've recently completed a conversion of that same database from

Re: Option click close box

All true what you said, with some observations (17.3): If On Close Box is checked, an input window gets the event, but does not close. An output window did close. If not checked an input window will close, revealing the output window it was opened from (when DIALOG was called without OPEN

Converting 4D Server v11 to v17

Hi all. There was a small thread on this topic 12 months ago, overall the reaction seemed to be positive, but given that time has passed and other people may have tried a large 'jump' conversion such as this, I would be very interested in their experiences. In short we have a fairly large

Re: Windows Code Signing

Hi Armin, Thank you once again for the guidance. I have Visual Studio installed in my Parallels VM running Windows 10 Pro. So I likely have the sign tool. Most helpful!!! The devil (aka for me time consumption and mistakes) is always in the doing the first few times. It’s such a non

Re: 4D Server Hosting - The Future ?

Thanks for your post Kirk. The guy I spoke to seemed to have it the other way around - the VM’s had 4-12 cores and the “metal” about 32. He also was of the categorical opinion that the only way to really keep applications “isolated” from each other (i.e. not bring everything else down when

Re: Windows Code Signing

Hi Armin, Thank you. Yes, I am reviewing that one as well as the " TN "18-15_Application Signing with 4D” which cover both Macintosh and Windows.” I am trying to baby step this process. First get it the Inno Installer to work properly and then I will work on the code signing aspect. Right

Re: 4D Server Hosting - The Future ?

Peter, I am in the process of moving a database from our own hardware to and AWS instance. It's true that the most expensive part of setting it up, at this point, is getting the appropriate amount of band width and throughput speed. The other thing about VM vs metal is the whole pre-emptive

Re: Option click close box

Miyako, I am using your plugin, which is jolly useful! It provides handy visual feedback but other than that makes no difference. I do have the “ask” checkbox in System Preferences checked (I confess I was completely unaware of it until now, so thanks for that). In the 4D developer

Re: Option click close box

Hello, I am out of my depth on this subject, but would system preferences / general / ask whether to save changes before closing document (unchecked by default) make any difference? for what it's worth, you can control the dirty bit and disable the close box with this:

Re: selecting pixels

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:57 PM Peter Mew via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > Thanks > Could you expand a bit on your reply > Thanks > -pm > What exactly you want to achieve? You want to allow user to drag something or draw on screen? Over some area, or outside the 4D window as well?

Re: Option click close box

Miyako, In pretty much every Mac application which can have multiple windows open, option-click on the close box of a window closes all the app’s windows, and as far as I can recall always has. It’s essentially synonymous with cmd-opt-W. Try Preview, for example. In an app whose windows can

Re: Windows Code Signing

John, if you purchase the codesign certificate from comodo (don't forget the 15% coupon) Then it took 2-3 days until you get it. First you have to verify your mail and phone. After the certificate is ready and you download it, this gets stored inside your browser certificates named "Sectico

Re: 4D Server Hosting - The Future ?

Hi Peter, Indeed, it is a brave new world, isn’t it? And like you said, it all happened transparently. At my last employer everything was virtualized. The SAN ‘guarenteed’ data uptime and redundancy. “Disks” (HDD or SSD) were ‘auto-healing’ and hardware failover was automatic. It is really

Re: selecting pixels

Thanks Could you expand a bit on your reply Thanks -pm On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 1:06 PM Spencer Hinsdale via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > -> On Event Call `lmk if you need more suggestions > > On 10/10/19, 4:12 AM, "4D_Tech on behalf of Peter Mew via 4D_Tech" < >

4D Server Hosting - The Future ?

Hi ! I just finished a 1.5 hour phonecall with a support services manager at the technical services company who supply one of my customers with all their hardware/software/maintenance services. He basically brought me up to date on “how things work” today which is essentially that everything

Re: selecting pixels

-> On Event Call `lmk if you need more suggestions On 10/10/19, 4:12 AM, "4D_Tech on behalf of Peter Mew via 4D_Tech" <4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com on behalf of 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: A pointer to which commands to read up on would be good enough (I hope)

RE: Re: 4D v17r4 Windows Print To PDF ignoring PAGE SETUP

Hi Cameron, Did you find a solution for this? I am working on a Windows 10 64-bit machine and have the same problem Whatever I do to change the paper size: SET PRINT OPTION(Paper option;1130;820) SET PRINT OPTION(Paper option;"A3") The output to Windows Print To PDF doesn’t respect any of my

selecting pixels

Hi Is it possible to select a group of pixels by dragging across them. So you get Mouse down position (in Pixels) Drag to new position (Leaving a Trail) Mouse Up position (In pixels) I'm only interested in a Horizontal Movement A pointer to which commands to read up on would be good enough (I

Re: 4D and FTP - AGAIN

All, > On 9 Oct 2019, at 22:19 AEDT, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > This is a SOS / 000 / 911 / 112 - call !! STAND DOWN RED ALERT! Keisuke's 4d-plugin-curl-ftp works - for the most part. The limits: IN THE ROOT: One can create directories, upload files and

Re: Option click close box

not the close box, but "Option-Command-W" is standard Apple shortcut. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 no mention of option+close here: https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/work-with-app-windows-mchlp2469/mac I can not comment if the form event not firing or the splash window