will likely be used
for years to come.
That put aside, it seems to me that the Python people lost a lot of their
attitude lately, but now we have to deal with some of the cultism in the
Haskell world.
Anyway, thanks.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
Begin forwarded message:
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 02:33:42 -0500
From: James Clark james.cl...@cvalka.com
To: Shlomi Fish shlo...@shlomifish.org
Cc: Antuan Shakhin antuan.shak...@cvalka.com
Subject: Re: Funding Feature Request Management For Open Source
Hi Shlomi,
So far everything has gone
enemies into friends, treat
competitors with respect and avoid silly feuds and «an-eye-for-an-eye» and «may
my soul die with philistines» bitterness. It is applicable for the software and
digital media worlds today, as much as it applied to warfare back then.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
(and she was a 10-years old
child). It's now even easier to do that using the Internet.
now on to what you said:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 11:54:29 +1100
Jacinta Richardson jar...@perltraining.com.au wrote:
On 06/02/13 14:55, Shlomi Fish wrote:
I hope I won't get attacked for it too much (and I am
that she knows enough about the Near East,
Judaism/Semitic culture, and popular culture, she is able of slaying all the
demons she encounter, but while finding the entire process extremely emotional.
-
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
An anecdote I'm fond of sharing since it still
. ]
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
{{{
[C++] - I personally feel that C++ gives me too much rope to hang myself, so in
order to save me from myself, I prefer sticking to C, but it seems to work fine
in projects such as Qt, KDE, or web browsers or whatever, where programmers are
more clueful than I am
development unit is just the tip of the iceberg. )
But I guess I should not give a Midrash
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midrash ; “study” - not “mid-rash” ) to a joke.
Regards,
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and dogma (and as silly as it may
seem, they are right about that).
The important thing to note is that one should “embrace change”. See:
http://www.robcottingham.ca/cartoon/archive/this-brain-this-brain-fire/
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
Hi brian,
On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:05:32 +0400
brian d foy brian.d@gmail.com wrote:
In article 20121228112205.1f8b3...@lap.shlomifish.org, Shlomi Fish
shlo...@shlomifish.org wrote:
I am hereby asking you to consider relicensing the content of
http://learn.perl.org/ and other perl.org
/
* http://www.wikia.com/
* http://stackoverflow.com/ | http://stackexchange.com/
Regards,
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Larry Wall’s pure
Hi Leo,
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:31:53 +
Leo Lapworth l...@cuckoo.org wrote:
Hi Shlomi,
On 28 December 2012 09:22, Shlomi Fish shlo...@shlomifish.org wrote:
Dear Karen,
I am hereby asking you to consider relicensing the content of
http://learn.perl.org/ and other perl.org sites
Hi Leo (and all),
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:57:05 +0200
Shlomi Fish shlo...@shlomifish.org wrote:
Hi Leo,
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:31:53 +
Leo Lapworth l...@cuckoo.org wrote:
Hi Shlomi,
On 28 December 2012 09:22, Shlomi Fish shlo...@shlomifish.org wrote:
Dear Karen,
I am
I raised.
Regards,
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Had I not been already insane, I would have long ago driven myself mad
available under the Creative Commons Attribution licence (CC-by) with
parts that are Public Domain, GFDL, and CC-by-nc-sa, and is maintained in a
public bitbucket.org repository.
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Hi all,
On Tuesday 24 May 2011 22:57:27 Shlomi Fish wrote:
Hi all,
Can anyone here volunteer to write about Perl for http://perl.about.com/ ?
It's been suffering from a lot of neglect, and my application for a writer
there was rejected (see below).
Someone asked me (in private
Hi all,
Can anyone here volunteer to write about Perl for http://perl.about.com/ ?
It's been suffering from a lot of neglect, and my application for a writer
there was rejected (see below).
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
-- Forwarded Message --
Subject: RE: Guide Application
Hi all,
Can anyone here volunteer to write about Perl for http://perl.about.com/ ?
It's been suffering from a lot of neglect, and my application for a writer
there was rejected (see below).
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Subject: RE: Guide Application
topic of the proper conduct on
beginn...@perl.org because I feel it could be improved. I'll reply to a
different message later.
Joel, thanks again.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Brian Fraser frase...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Shlomi
apologise for that (I got carried away). So let's drop this particular
discussion.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
[Spam] - God bless the souls of the @perl.org mail admins who make sure the
@perl.org mailing lists are almost entirely spam free, despite the fact one
can send an E-mail to most lists
Hi Jacinta,
(top-posting)
Very good advice, thanks!
Yes, you are perfectly right.
OK, now we'll need to wait for the @perl.org mail admins to set up a
$something-c...@perl.org mailing list (hoping they would agree.).
So I'm killing this thread here.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
the action.
So pleaase subscribe to advocacy@perl.org and de-CC beginn...@perl.org .
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Wikipedia has
violate, nor should these children be instructed
to blindly accept the rules, or not challenge them (without rebelling or
violating them knowingly). See:
http://www.paulgraham.com/gba.html
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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at
the moment. Personally, I think that the advocacy I was told that the advocacy
I've done on http://perl-begin.org/ is pretty good.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Rethinking CPAN
are not references:
http://use.perl.org/~Shlomi+Fish/journal/36493
It allows for some nice tricks. I also like that in Perl operators are not
ambiguous (i.e: we have ., + and , which are the same operator in Python
and other languages). I also prefer Perl's Moose to Ruby's built-in OOP which
seems much
them all? or Perl - TIMTOWTDY - how many you can find? or
something.
So what are your thoughts about it?
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
P.S: after offering a bounty to create a scripting frontend (similar to awk or
perl's -e with the various flags) for Clojure, I got many comments and it
seems
.
For a while it seems that Vim was losing esteem among the hipsters in favour
of TextMate and similar editors, while now it may seem that it has become the
new it editor among them again, so technologies *can* make a perceptive
comeback, although many of them don't.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
or handles (I've been bitten by it a few times.). One option would
be to anonymise them and use generic meta-syntactic names (say from the
Bible, Shakespeare, the Greek Mythology, etc.) instead. We can try asking of
course, because some people would want the publicity.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
, then it be great.
Note that OpenHatch.org may still have some usability problems as of now, but
it can be improved, either by contacting the developers on #openhatch on
Freenode or by patching the site's backend code, which is AGPLed.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
Sending to the list as the sender declared it to be his intention.
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Subject: Re: [Slightly OT] NASA Uses COBOL
Date: Sunday 08 August 2010, 20:41:50
From: Joel Limardo joel.lima...@forwardphase.com
To: Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il
This is my first
Now replying.
On Sunday 08 August 2010 21:06:23 Shlomi Fish wrote:
Sending to the list as the sender declared it to be his intention.
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Subject: Re: [Slightly OT] NASA Uses COBOL
Date: Sunday 08 August 2010, 20:41:50
From: Joel Limardo joel.lima
On Sunday 08 August 2010 21:34:04 Walt Mankowski wrote:
On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 04:33:14PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
So now it's official - NASA Uses COBOL. Hope you enjoy it.
Like any other big organization that's been using computers since the
60s, it wouldn't surprise me at all
On Sunday 08 August 2010 22:29:16 Georgios Magklaras wrote:
On 08/07/2010 03:33 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Back when we discussed the NASA Uses Python in April, 2008, I said
that:
[quote]
However, this thread gave me a really wicked idea for a parody site (not
just of http
,
Shlomi Fish
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God considered inflicting XSLT as the tenth plague of Egypt, but then
decided against it because he
Hi Eric,
On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 20:14:49 Eric Brine wrote:
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote:
Hi all!
So far the only announcement of perl-5.12.0 has been to the perl5-porters
mailing as plaintext E-mail. It was copied in LWN.net:
http
On Friday 23 Apr 2010 18:40:38 Eric Brine wrote:
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:49 AM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote:
Thanks for providing it. However, it is not XHTML/XML-compliant
Correct, HTML is not compatible with XHTML.
It is not completely (as far as standalone tags
need to know the desired format in
advance and some people will have to proofread my copy.
Any comments? Who should I contact? I don't see any contact information on
http://news.perlfoundation.org/ (which should also be remedied as soon as
humanly possible.)
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
like Steve suggested.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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The Case for File Swapping - http://xrl.us/bjn7i
God gave us two eyes and ten fingers so we will type five times
friends - if you don't - let us know and we'll see what we can do. Unless
mentioned otherwise, all the material on http://perl-begin.org/ is made
available under the Creative Commons Attribution Licence (CC-by) for almost
unlimited distribution and re-use.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
Beginners' Site and please recommend it
to your friends.
All content on Perl-Begin is available under the Creative Commons Attribution
Licence.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Rethinking
for new mailing lists that aren't present in the
originally copied lists.
This way we'll have an up-to-date database of mailing lists as well as a more
populated wiki.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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bold girls to face the heat (with enough knowledge and
determination), persist in this female-alienating society and pave the road
for more of them to join.
I heard somewhere that freedom cannot be given, and it must be taken and
fought for.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
P.S: while I
On Monday 28 April 2008, Richard Foley wrote:
On Sunday 27 April 2008 21:43:35 Shlomi Fish wrote:
the conversion to XHTML
1.1 (valid now) etc. the patch will be very huge, so I'll just send you
the new file. You can find it here:
http://www.shlomifish.org/perl-timeline-temp
/The_mysterious_IGLU_Cabal
Enjoy! (IGLU is the Israeli Group of Linux Users)
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
(Sorry Andy! Could not resist.)
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Why I Love Perl - http://xrl.us/bjn88
The bad thing
something substantial and under a more usable licensing terms. We are going
to respect the copyrights ownership of the existing timeline and not re-use
material from there directly, without your permission.
Thanks, best regards, and sorry again,
Shlomi Fish
([EMAIL PROTECTED] seems to forward to an inactive address which bounces -
de-CCing).
On Saturday 26 April 2008, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Hi all!
I'd like to start the long task of updating
http://history.perl.org/PerlTimeline.html which has been stopped at 2002.
What I'm planning to do is:
1
/linux_not_ready_8.html
While one can disagree with what Dotzler writes, it is a better and more
concrete writing than the article pointed by Gabor.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Homepage
(AFAIR) ad in the
New York Times.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish (who has placed Firefox buttons on several of his sites,
and who
maintains an anti-MSIE page - http://www.shlomifish.org/no-ie/ ).
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languages?
As some people note, Perl is not as new as these languages are, and so has
become less trendy and more well-established. There are other comments too.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Hi.
On Thursday 31 August 2006, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote:
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 05:34:32PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
On Wednesday 30 August 2006 23:03, brian d foy wrote:
I in no way intended it to be funny or light. I fyou have a change,
send it in. Complaining about not having
Hi brian!
See below for how I corrected the problems you had pointed.
On Monday 16 April 2007, brian d foy wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shlomi Fish
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Ask!
Can you give me static HTML hosting for http://perl-begin.berlios.de/ on
perl.org?
Moreover
Hi Nicholas (and everybody)!
We are getting off topic here, but it's still an interesting discussion.
On Tuesday 17 April 2007, Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 08:45:37PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
On Monday 16 April 2007, brian d foy wrote:
Mac OS X isn't mostly compatible
Hi brian!
Thanks for your commentary and your on going work on books, the Perl Review,
your Perl code, etc.
See below for my response. Sorry for the long email.
On Tuesday 17 April 2007, brian d foy wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shlomi Fish
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2. One cannot
is a labour of love and that it should gain a
more official status, partially because l.p.o is inadequate, and cannot be
effectively fixed by an enthusiastic contributor (which is the case for
Perl-Begin).
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
On Monday 16 April 2007, brian d foy wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shlomi Fish
Some mistakes you make pertinent to me:
Learning Perl 4th Edition is the current version of the Llama (you list
the 3rd Edition).
Learning Perl is not writen for people who are absolute beginners
Hi Philippe!
On Monday 16 April 2007, Philippe Bruhat (BooK) wrote:
Le lundi 16 avril 2007 à 10:05, brian d foy écrivait:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shlomi Fish
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you give me static HTML hosting for http://perl-begin.berlios.de/
on perl.org?
A DNS
On Monday 16 April 2007, Andy Armstrong wrote:
On 16 Apr 2007, at 18:50, Shlomi Fish wrote:
However, the Berlios.de system tends to become offline at times,
especially
during the weekends. And my http://www.shlomifish.org/ also has its
share of
problems. If Ask can give me some web
On Sunday 25 March 2007, Andy Armstrong wrote:
On 25 Mar 2007, at 18:32, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Hi all!
I recently revamped the look of Perl-Begin:
http://perl-begin.berlios.de/
Added to Perl flavoured Google Search:
http://google.com/coop/cse?cx=008709583689349882482%3Aw2_rnxeqmu0
On Sunday 25 March 2007, brian d foy wrote:
[[ This message was both posted and mailed: see
the To, Cc, and Newsgroups headers for details. ]]
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shlomi Fish
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2. I've added the following paragraphs:
On http://perl-begin.berlios.de
Hi all!
I blogged about using Frappr.com for some Perl related maps (not the map {...}
@list operation, but actual maps of the world):
http://use.perl.org/~Shlomi+Fish/journal/32718
Please add yourself to the appropriate maps and help spread the word. Note
that the Vim editor:
http
without any
sort of blessing or hostile take-over of another site.
I don't wish to do a hostile take-over of learn.perl.org - I want to help
improve it.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Homepage
to the
site's code, I cannot write patches for it. OTOH, people can write patches to
perl-begin (which I originated and am still maintaining) or to perlmeme.org
(which I got involved in), because their sources are available online.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
,
Shlomi Fish
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Chuck Norris wrote a complete Perl 6 implementation in a day but then
destroyed all evidence with his bare hands, so no one
force in a public forum is another discussion.
Indeed.
Putting it blunt sometimes saves everybody's time by preventing a
lengthy discussion. Actually, scrap the last sentence. It's not going to
work because people discuss bluntness instead.
Indeed.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
On Tuesday 29 August 2006 18:57, brian d foy wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shlomi Fish
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now as I've mentioned before there are several huge problems with
learn.perl.org:
Your definition of huge is probably colored by I didn't invent it.
No, it's not.
1
://www.mail-archive.com/advocacy%40perl.org/msg01816.html
For a previous discussion of it.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Chuck Norris wrote a complete Perl
[Note to Dave Goehrig: we'd like clarification regarding the essay you wrote
that is currently found on the Perl Begin wiki that is linked below]
On Monday 10 July 2006 03:14, Jacinta Richardson wrote:
Shlomi Fish wrote:
Hi Jacinta!
With your permission I'd like to move the present
Fish
On Sunday 02 July 2006 04:13, Jacinta Richardson wrote:
Shlomi Fish wrote:
While I may be invoking Joel's Quarreling Kids Rule here[1], I think a
central wiki for Perl may be a good idea, not only as a way to
consolidate all these specialised wiki's, but also to be The Perl Wiki
which
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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95% of the programmers consider 95% of the code they did not write, in the
bottom 5%.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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95% of the programmers consider 95% of the code they did not write, in the
bottom 5%.
On Saturday 01 July 2006 08:57, Peter Scott wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:01:46 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Adam Kennedy and I used MediaWiki for win32.perl.org and the Perl-Begin's
wikis respectively. It's my favourite wiki engine by far, and it's
probably the wiki engine with most wikitext
, as I could tell from admining the various
MediaWiki instances on iglu.org.il.).
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
[1] - See:
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html
Quoting a paragraph or two:
But the idea of unifying the mess of Visual Basic and Windows API programming
by creating
that since then, I sort of neglected working on my sample
Catalyst app. (I have two other ideas that may be good for it or for Ruby on
Rails or something similar).
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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considering how much busy the .perl.org admins (Ask Bjorn Hansen,
etc.) are and how much more straightforward it is to set up one's own site
where one or his community have complete control.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
[1] - I should note that friendliness/social engineering and contribution
Forwarding the message from Simon...
Shlomi Fish
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Subject: Re: New Website for Perl Beginners: perlmeme.org
Date: Tuesday 04 October 2005 10:33
From: Simon Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: advocacy@perl.org
Hello,
Thanks to those who provided
,
Shlomi Fish
On Sunday 02 October 2005 21:21, Ovid wrote:
--- Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://perlmeme.org/
In http://perlmeme.org/start_here/our_motivations.html there's a lot of
talk about dealing with anti-Perl memes and, essentially, how to
market Perl. Given
Hi Randal!
Thank you very much for your commentary. Now for my comments.
On Sunday 02 October 2005 14:17, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
Shlomi == Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Shlomi Hi good people,
Shlomi there's a new web-site for Perl beginners - perlmeme.org -
Shlomi http
feedback on the site, or can help in any
other way, feel free to visit our developers' web-site:
http://perlmeme-org.sourceforge.net/
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Homepage:http
On Monday 18 October 2004 01:21, Adam Turoff wrote:
On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 02:22:29PM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:
I wrote a critique of where Perl 6 is heading. It was published in
Freshmeat:
http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/1339/
Where you say, in part:
Why Perl 6 is Bad
started working on this article a few years ago, and
has stood by it all this time. This is the latest incarnation of it. It was
not an emotional ourburst.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Knuth is not God! It took him two days to build the Roman Empire.
publishing the original document.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Knuth is not God! It took him two days to build the Roman Empire.
.
And next time, please don't quote the entire message (which happened to be
very long) in your request. You just increased the traffic on the list by
two.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
On Wednesday 11 February 2004 20:03, Mark Jacobsen wrote:
Mark P. Jacobsen
Exec VP, New Ventures/Business
,
Shlomi Fish
-dave
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into a follow-up book.
4. It is possible that those programmers who bought Learning Perl, and
read it, later learned about these topics from other books like
Programming Perl or other online resources.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
[snip
for several scattered
notes here and there. It may be a useful addition.
Probably a bit much to expect, but they're usually good
signs.
Are you happy with Simon Cozens' Beginning Perl book, which is also
available online?
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
that the Camel
book, the Llama book or whatever will meet if he took a closer look at
them).
Generally it is my opinion, that we should all care about this situation
enough to remedy it.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
I took a look at Shlomi's somewhat hideously
designed site and the list there. There's
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Simon Cozens wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shlomi Fish) writes:
O'Reilly does not own Perl. But it does employ or contracts many leaders
of the Perl community,
Name four.
Larry Wall (full time O'Reilly employee and IIRC member of the board)
Tom Christiansen (author
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Simon Cozens wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shlomi Fish) writes:
Maybe the proper word was commisioned. (i.e: people who wrote books for
it).
In other words, now I have actually called your bluff, you redefine your
terms. A good debating trick.
This is not the case. I
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Simon Cozens wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shlomi Fish) writes:
This is not the case. I explictly _meant_ people who wrote books for
O'Reilly
OK. Four Perl people wrote books for O'Reilly. SO WHAT? Manning have an
evil plot to take over Perl because they published a book
, it is not the big wigs' endorsed site.
This poor state cannot last too long without having a bad effect on the
community of newcomers. But how can I do anything about it, without
responsiveness from the beginners-workers?
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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