Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure cooling?

2018-09-24 Thread Kevin Neal
We have been purchasing the fans from Automation Direct and painting our enclosures with a product similar to this https://dicorproducts.com/product/coolcoat/. Each tower gets a visit at least twice per year to clean filters, clean the box, check battery voltages (individually), check that the

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
Wait, 3.65 Medusa is available now? I thought it was some undetermined date in the future. Or did I misunderstand you? From: AF On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:09 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber We have a few towers with TOWER TOP control and

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Adam Moffett
That wattage limit was the sticking point for me on the relay module.  Telrad Compact wants 100 Watt. Glad to hear the the -48V PDU is coming. -Adam On 9/22/2018 8:18 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: The relays already support 48V.    2A or 50W, whichever is less.   So at 48V, you

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure cooling?

2018-09-24 Thread chuck
That looks like fantastic paint. Too bad summer is over. If I remember next summer I will run a trial like I did back in 1999 of various paints and treatments to outdoor enclosures. Like to compare this with other white paints. And then do all the ventillation, heat exchanger, active

Re: [AFMUG] DIA pricing

2018-09-24 Thread Adam Moffett
I just got quoted 3x that from Century Link.  Century Link's quote is half of what we're paying now. On 9/24/2018 11:01 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Latest circuit I am working on obtaining from Cogent is $220 per gig.  I can get it as low as $150 if I take a 100G circuit. -- AF mailing

[AFMUG] DIA pricing

2018-09-24 Thread chuck
Latest circuit I am working on obtaining from Cogent is $220 per gig. I can get it as low as $150 if I take a 100G circuit. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] DIA pricing

2018-09-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
Given how much things change in 5 years, I would be extremely reluctant to sign a 5 year contract for anything Internet or telecom related. Granted you can usually renegotiate as long as it’s upward. 5 years is an eternity in Internet years. Anything over 2 years makes me uncomfortable.

Re: [AFMUG] DIA pricing

2018-09-24 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Let me give you my home address for deliveryI am on the edge of town, no problems, I'm sure - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 10:01 AM Subject: [AFMUG] DIA pricing Latest circuit I am working on

Re: [AFMUG] DIA pricing

2018-09-24 Thread Andy Trimmell
DIA pricing has a lot of variables. HE isn’t going to bring 10G fiber to the middle of nowhere but they are available in almost all of the big datacenters. So don’t expect getting $1k/mo 10G 20 miles away from a major city where there’s only 1-2 options available. You can attempt to hand

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Ryan Ray
It's available very soon, but the pricing is nutty. $9k usd On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Wait, 3.65 Medusa is available now? I thought it was some undetermined > date in the future. Or did I misunderstand you? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dave > *Sent:*

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure cooling?

2018-09-24 Thread Lewis Bergman
It appears there are a number of options: monnit

Re: [AFMUG] DIA pricing

2018-09-24 Thread Darin Steffl
HE is at $1,000 month for 10 Gig circuit on 5-year term. On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:10 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > I just got quoted 3x that from Century Link. Century Link's quote is half > of what we're paying now. > > On 9/24/2018 11:01 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > Latest circuit I am

Re: [AFMUG] DIA pricing

2018-09-24 Thread Lewis Bergman
5 years is practically forever. The per gig sounds great but I am prone to look at it more in the terms of need. If you only need 5 gig but you buy 10 to get it at a better price, you really just doubled your "perceived cost". To belabor the point, need 5 but bought 10 at $200 a gig? You just paid

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Yeah, I have (hopefully) the first production board here which is fresh off of the assembly line. I've got to do thermal validation on it, then complete the automatic test software for it.Assuming no issues, it should be shipping within the next 30-45 days. Currently plan on turning on

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Jason McKemie
LTE does a whole lot better than WiMax in the face of interference, for whatever that is worth (not much). On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:59 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I’m not sure a 5 GHz LTE product makes sense, unless you’re talking > carrier aggregation and LAA. Otherwise I question the “magic” of

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure cooling?

2018-09-24 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I figured so. Even an off the shelf pi should work, and there are various 1 wire libs for it. On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 8:36 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > I am thinking more of the most basic ethernet enabled mcu out there with a > cheap thermal sensor of some sort. I used to use a one wire data

[AFMUG] INNO View 5 Splicer.

2018-09-24 Thread chuck
https://www.innoinstrument.com/eng/product/fusionsplicer3.asp Thinking of getting one. About $7500 new. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] INNO View 5 Splicer.

2018-09-24 Thread Jon Langeler
We have the 12R. The guys seem to like it Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Sep 24, 2018, at 6:55 PM, wrote: > > https://www.innoinstrument.com/eng/product/fusionsplicer3.asp > Thinking of getting one. > About $7500 new. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com >

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Mathew Howard
I think you're probably confusing two different things regarding 3ghz 450m being able to do LTE - I don't remember hearing about anything like that, but Cambium does have actual LTE gear in the works. It's initially only going to be 2.5ghz, but they did say they're planning on doing 3ghz as well

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
But WiMax was supposed to be great with interference because of the magical “HARQ”. HARQ my ass. So you started with around 100 ms latency, and with HARQ retries, it could go to double or triple that. But they tried to convince us that latency didn’t matter, it was jitter that mattered,

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Chuck McCown
80 Mbps at 80 miles? From: Jason McKemie Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 6:21 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber LTE does a whole lot better than WiMax in the face of interference, for whatever that is worth (not much). On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:59 PM

[AFMUG] OT didn't we just do this

2018-09-24 Thread Chuck McCown
https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/atsc-3-0-ota-broadcast-standard-4k-dolby-atmos/3/-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure cooling?

2018-09-24 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
For the price of those, just take a sitemonitor base unit, and strip out the poe pairs and power it that way. On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:49 AM Lewis Bergman wrote: > It appears there are a number of options: > monnit >

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Jon Langeler
Baicells just announced 5Ghz LTE, might be others. The brains of the Cambium 3G Medusa is apparently supposed to be capable of LTE modulation is what I thought I heard at the roadshow. It would be a future software option. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Sep 24, 2018, at 6:12

Re: [AFMUG] INNO View 5 Splicer.

2018-09-24 Thread chuck
Prices seems good. Features seem good. The mfg rep recommending it is someone I have known for 20 years and really respect. From: Jon Langeler Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 5:08 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] INNO View 5 Splicer. We have the 12R. The guys

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah, Baicells is apparently taking pre-orders for LTE-U 5ghz gear now, but I'm having a hard time seeing why anyone would want to use it. Sure, it'll probably have somewhat better NLOS performance than some (maybe even all) of the 5ghz options that are out there, but even if NLOS is better, it's

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Jon Langeler
They said it is a software defined radio. When they release LTE for 3G later, same hardware as 450m. They probably aren’t going to push it as a selling point until it’s tested. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Sep 24, 2018, at 8:32 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > I think you're

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Mathew Howard
Oh, that's pretty interesting. I assume you would still need to add the box (whose name escapes me, at the moment), that the LTE radio heads connect to. On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 8:16 PM Jon Langeler wrote: > They said it is a software defined radio. When they release LTE for 3G > later, same

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure cooling?

2018-09-24 Thread Chuck McCown
I am thinking more of the most basic ethernet enabled mcu out there with a cheap thermal sensor of some sort. I used to use a one wire data dallas semi part years ago that was great for this. Then you just snmp it with some free software. Like a $5 raspberry pi zero. From: Forrest Christian

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
Did they say if it would also be certified under Part 96? From: AF On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 3:39 PM To: AFMUG Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber Yeah, I don't remember exactly what they gave for a timeline, but I'm pretty sure they said it was supposed to

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Mathew Howard
Well, they've been saying that all the Canopy 3.65ghz stuff will be for a couple of years now, so I assume so, but I wasn't really paying very close attention. On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 3:58 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Did they say if it would also be certified under Part 96? > > > > *From:* AF *On

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Bill Prince
It would be the Air-SOON, or SOON-Air.  I can't decide. Oh, maybe the Nano-Air-SOON. bp On 9/24/2018 12:52 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: Re: SOON..  Yeah they are getting sued for copyright violation on that too...   :) On 09/24/2018 12:41 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: That’s not surprising, if it

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Ryan Ray
It's gonna be on display in Vegas. I'm not even in USA so the CBRS stuff isn't really affecting us right now, but when you start looking at 9k per ap you could get some nice LTE instead. It's just surprising being 2k more than the 5ghz pmp450m. Especially with the cost of the SM being higher as

Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber

2018-09-24 Thread Robert Andrews
Re: SOON.. Yeah they are getting sued for copyright violation on that too... :) On 09/24/2018 12:41 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: That’s not surprising, if it includes the MU-MIMO activation key. I guess nutty is in the eye of the beholder. But if it’s really available “soon”, I’m a little